Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Speaker 1: In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
Speaker 1: bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
Speaker 1: seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
Speaker 1: to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've
Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to Joe today. Joe is
Speaker 1: a listener of the show, has experienced some really interesting
Speaker 1: things in different states among the years. But thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on to the show today.
Speaker 2: Joe.
Speaker 1: How's it going, sir?
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Man. It's going great. It's a very
Speaker 2: nice day here in Missouri.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear more about what you've experienced. I
Speaker 1: know we'll be talking about some different states that usually
Speaker 1: have some really interesting things happen in those states. So
Speaker 1: feel free Joe to take us back as far as
Speaker 1: you need to when you started to have some of
Speaker 1: these interactions with Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll start with Arkansas because that was pretty
Speaker 2: much the very first state. I was born on the
Speaker 2: Gulf Coast in Mississippi, but I've lived most of my
Speaker 2: life in central Arkansas. So we had a bunch of
Speaker 2: us were truck drivers at the time. So there's like
Speaker 2: seven of us that decided to lease some property from
Speaker 2: a paper company in north central Arkansas, op the neo's
Speaker 2: arts and we leave. It was right at five hundred
Speaker 2: acres of land, and I don't really want to say
Speaker 2: where that's at because we still have that lease, and
Speaker 2: I don't want anybody trying to go in there and
Speaker 2: then get hurt and then try to see this kind
Speaker 2: of legal thing. You can understand that. But so north
Speaker 2: central Arkansas, we hunted there for years, and I was
Speaker 2: what they called a rescue driver, so I would sit
Speaker 2: at home with my truck for weeks on in if
Speaker 2: somebody's truck broke down, I might run all the way
Speaker 2: to California and pick up their trailer and deliver their
Speaker 2: load from them. So I only work, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: one or two weeks a month, So I would go
Speaker 2: up to this property and I would stay there for
Speaker 2: weeks at a time by my a boat, hunted. I
Speaker 2: was an avid bow hunter, gear hunter. Everything was great.
Speaker 2: This property we had was a pine forest on top
Speaker 2: of a mountain in the Ozarks. We had two very
Speaker 2: nice creeks at the bottom of the mountains, just beautiful.
Speaker 2: They were full of little streamed by us and brim
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. You could go fish. We would
Speaker 2: go camp in the summertime. Never had any issues. I
Speaker 2: would love to be up there by myself and just
Speaker 2: camp out. Well, then they started putting in natural gas
Speaker 2: pipelines and that's kind of when things got started. So
Speaker 2: right outside of our main gate there's a natural firebreak
Speaker 2: a trail that I went up there one weekend in October.
Speaker 2: This was in twenty fourteen, and I'm going up there
Speaker 2: to make sure everybody's ready for dear season. I'm off
Speaker 2: there on the road that are all over the country,
Speaker 2: so I go put corn in their feeders and make
Speaker 2: sure their stands are good. And I'm up there by
Speaker 2: myself with a boat, and I go down this one
Speaker 2: fire break that borders are property, and I noticed there's
Speaker 2: like these three really large rocks stacked on top of
Speaker 2: each other, right in the middle of the path, and
Speaker 2: I thought that was odd. I was like, somebody's trying
Speaker 2: to sneak in on our property and they're using this
Speaker 2: as a marker on where they need to turn and
Speaker 2: go into their stand, but as a lecture. The right
Speaker 2: there's an old oak tree that had been falling down,
Speaker 2: probably for ten or twelve years, just laying on the ground.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why would somebody need a marker when all
Speaker 2: they have to do is walk down the trail and
Speaker 2: see the old oak tree so they knew where to turn.
Speaker 2: It didn't make any sense. So I just I kind
Speaker 2: of took my foot and I pushed over those stacked rocks,
Speaker 2: and I went on and checked everybody's stands, and I
Speaker 2: went to where we had a camp site on the
Speaker 2: very top of the mountain. And I didn't even bring
Speaker 2: a tint. I was just going to sleep in my
Speaker 2: truck for the night. But I made a small campfire,
Speaker 2: made me a sandwich, pulled out a bag of chips,
Speaker 2: eat my dinner, and I was just about ready to
Speaker 2: go to bed, and the most god awful screw you
Speaker 2: ever heard come from, Like I think it comes from
Speaker 2: where those pipelines peed together, because it made like like
Speaker 2: an interstate through the mountains, through the woods, and every
Speaker 2: hair on my body raised up. I've never heard of
Speaker 2: anything like that before, especially not out there. I put
Speaker 2: my campfire out, I got in my truck, and I
Speaker 2: left because I'm thinking, I'm out here all by myself
Speaker 2: with a bow and arrow. Nobody knows where I'm at.
Speaker 2: I'm way out in the middle of these mountains, so
Speaker 2: I leave. I go find a hotel at one of
Speaker 2: the closest towns too, and I stay in my hotel
Speaker 2: all night, and I say I'm not going back there
Speaker 2: until daylight. So at daylight I got up. I drove
Speaker 2: back to camp. Someone one of our friends, just for
Speaker 2: just so we won't get his name away, I'll call
Speaker 2: him Bob, one of the guys that came in during
Speaker 2: the middle of the night with his camper trailer. And
Speaker 2: he usually brings the camper trailer in around October and
Speaker 2: then doesn't take it out until December. Well, on my
Speaker 2: way in to hunt, I noticed that his camper trailer
Speaker 2: was there, so he must be on a stand. I
Speaker 2: went and hunted that morning unsuccessfully. I didn't see anything
Speaker 2: as I'm coming back out, I know to sees as camper.
Speaker 2: So I stopped and talked to him, and I tell
Speaker 2: him about what I heard the night before, and he's like,
Speaker 2: it's funny. You should mention that he goes last year
Speaker 2: when nobody was up here and I was here by myself,
Speaker 2: I was laying in my camper, and it sounded like
Speaker 2: a freight train came through the woods and it stopped
Speaker 2: right at the back of my camper, and I never
Speaker 2: heard another noise. He's the only one that doesn't laugh
Speaker 2: at me about believing at Bigfoot. But so to get
Speaker 2: back to my story, two weekends later, Arkansas has a
Speaker 2: special modern arms season. It's only like for one weekend
Speaker 2: and it's just to kill a dough It's kind of
Speaker 2: like a deprivation hunt. So me and a friend decide
Speaker 2: we're going to go up there and we're going to
Speaker 2: try to kill some meat for the freezer before the
Speaker 2: actual season opens. So this time we have his tint
Speaker 2: and it's like a Coleman pop up tent cabin tent.
Speaker 2: So at the very center of it, it's like six
Speaker 2: foot tall, so you can stand up in it and
Speaker 2: get dressed, but it sets up really quick and tears
Speaker 2: down really quick. So we had set this tent up
Speaker 2: and we went out scouting around picked out where we
Speaker 2: wanted to hunt for the next morning. Well, we had
Speaker 2: rain moving in. It was very cloudy that night, and
Speaker 2: it was supposed to rain the next day, but we
Speaker 2: wanted to hunt the morning before the strong storms got there.
Speaker 2: So once again built a little campfire. We had a
Speaker 2: radio on, and then we got ready and we were like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's let's go to bed and get some rest. We
Speaker 2: got to get up early and go hunting. We put
Speaker 2: out the campfire. We both crawled into the tent and
Speaker 2: I'm right there on that edge of sleep, you know,
Speaker 2: you get to where that edge of sleep where you're like,
Speaker 2: you're not completely asleep, but you're not awake either, And
Speaker 2: I felt him tap my legs and I was like,
Speaker 2: what he goes, sh listen, And whenever I came awake,
Speaker 2: I could hear the guttural breathing. It wasn't growling. It
Speaker 2: was like a really fat drunk guy snoring almost. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't describe it the way this breathing was, but
Speaker 2: every time it breathed out, it rattled my chest. I
Speaker 2: could feel it in my chest, and it was maybe
Speaker 2: ten foot behind our tent. But you know how you
Speaker 2: can hear when someone is talking from the left or
Speaker 2: right or over there. This thing was above our tent.
Speaker 2: It was taller than our tent, and it must have
Speaker 2: had the biggest chest cavity of anything I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: It was not a bear. If it had to have
Speaker 2: been a bear, it had to have been like one
Speaker 2: of those Yukon gold giant brown bears or something, and
Speaker 2: it had to have been standing up on its feet.
Speaker 2: Both of our weapons were stealing my truck in bags unloaded.
Speaker 2: Like I said it was, it was very cloudy, rain
Speaker 2: was coming in. It was a very dark. There was
Speaker 2: no name, there was no stars, and we're just laying
Speaker 2: there in pitch dark blackness. The only thing I could
Speaker 2: think was I had a pocket knife, and so I
Speaker 2: pulled my pocket knife out and I opened it up,
Speaker 2: and I had a death grip on that pocket knife,
Speaker 2: and I laid it on my chest. I said, well,
Speaker 2: if this thing's going to get us, it's not going
Speaker 2: to go down without a fight. I've never been so
Speaker 2: scared of anything in my entire life. At the time,
Speaker 2: I was forty three years old. I've never heard anything
Speaker 2: like that, and it's right there. It's right outside the tent.
Speaker 2: So about fifteen or twenty minutes goes by. It never
Speaker 2: touches the tent, It never throws anything at us, It
Speaker 2: never makes any noise other than the breathing. And then
Speaker 2: you slowly start to hear the breathing going away, like
Speaker 2: it's walking away. And it's a pine forest, so there's
Speaker 2: pine needles are covered ground, so it's not like you
Speaker 2: have dry leaves or you can hear footprints walking away.
Speaker 2: It just kind of disappears and we end up falling sleep.
Speaker 2: I'm somewhere around four or five am. I wake up.
Speaker 2: I had to go to the bathroom, so I just
Speaker 2: do what I normally do, throw my cover off of me,
Speaker 2: and I start crawling towards the edge of the tent
Speaker 2: and I just got to unzip the tent when I
Speaker 2: realized I still have the knocks in my hand, and
Speaker 2: that brings back, Okay, what just happened, And so I
Speaker 2: freeze and I just start listening to everything around me,
Speaker 2: and I can hear the breathing again, but it's not
Speaker 2: behind our tents. It sounds like it's across the logging
Speaker 2: road that we drove in on, and I know what's
Speaker 2: across that road. It's a bunch of its that's kind
Speaker 2: of like a small thicket, very sick, dense brush rowed
Speaker 2: up and it sounded like it was behind that. And
Speaker 2: so once again I told myself, I am not getting
Speaker 2: out of this tent until daylight, until I can see
Speaker 2: what is going on, especially without a gun. I am.
Speaker 2: So somehow I managed to lay back down and go
Speaker 2: to sleep. The next thing I know, the sun was up,
Speaker 2: and I'll wake up and I look at my friend
Speaker 2: and he's waking up, and we just kind of look
Speaker 2: at each other. We crawl over unzipped the tent. The
Speaker 2: first thing we do is run to the truck, grab
Speaker 2: both of our rifles, load them up, and then we
Speaker 2: use the bathroom. We hunted that morning successfully did not
Speaker 2: see any deer whatsoever, again, which is unusual for that place.
Speaker 2: The rain started picking up and sums were moving in.
Speaker 2: So we went back and we broke down that camp
Speaker 2: site and left, and on our way out, the only
Speaker 2: thing I ever said to him was you know that
Speaker 2: wasn't a bear, right, And he said yeah, but he
Speaker 2: was still kind of in shock because I don't think
Speaker 2: he's ever been a believer in these things. So that
Speaker 2: was Arkansas, and we still have that property there, although
Speaker 2: the paper company has come in. They cut down the
Speaker 2: pine trees about three years ago and they plant as
Speaker 2: new ones. There is still deer there, but I have
Speaker 2: not camped there or been back since my incident. Well,
Speaker 2: I went back one time in the daylight to drive
Speaker 2: around and see where they cut everything down. But we
Speaker 2: moved to Idaho a couple of months after that, and
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough I got to go to I
Speaker 2: lived just north of Pocatello, Idaho, so I got to
Speaker 2: meet doctor jeffan Over him and Cliff Brockman at one
Speaker 2: of the Bigfoot conferences there in Pocatello. It was a
Speaker 2: great day and I talked with doctor jeffan Over him
Speaker 2: about the stack rocks and things. And he is very,
Speaker 2: very smart, very scientific. He applies the scientific method to everything.
Speaker 2: And when I talked to him about the stack rocks,
Speaker 2: he was like, well, you prove that bigfoot stack those up?
Speaker 2: And I go, no, I cannot, and he goes, that's right,
Speaker 2: we can't prove that bigfoot stacks rocks. We can't prove
Speaker 2: that they make structures. We can't prove anything because we
Speaker 2: don't have somebody like Jane Goodall to go out there
Speaker 2: and you live with the family of them and watch them.
Speaker 2: And the scientific mythic says that we have to witness
Speaker 2: this behavior of them to be able to know that
Speaker 2: they were the ones who did it, although I don't
Speaker 2: know anyone else who would do it, but that's just science.
Speaker 2: Just because you believe a man murdered somebody does not
Speaker 2: mean he did unless you actually seen there or have proof.
Speaker 2: So then the very next year after I got to
Speaker 2: meet with them and talk to them, a deer hunting
Speaker 2: trip I had in Idaho. Once again, I'm by myself
Speaker 2: out in the middle of the mountains, so I've always
Speaker 2: noticed these deer where I fish at up on the mountain.
Speaker 2: So I decided, hey, I'll give that a try and
Speaker 2: see if there's anything there in the fall. So I
Speaker 2: parked at my fishing the spot on the Snake River,
Speaker 2: very beautiful, heavy trout river. I left my truck and
Speaker 2: just started walking up the mountain. I got up to
Speaker 2: a ridge that I could oversee that had a small
Speaker 2: now what would you call it? It was like a
Speaker 2: small creek coming out of the side of the mountain,
Speaker 2: just a little bit of water, and like deer had
Speaker 2: been in there, he's in natural water instead of going
Speaker 2: down to the river. And I looked up on the
Speaker 2: ridge and there's a whitetail buck up there. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I got in here too late because I don't go
Speaker 2: into the woods at dark anymore. But the deer he
Speaker 2: cuts over into this heavy stuff, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe there's a trail up there. So I walked up.
Speaker 2: Sure enough, there's a big game trail up there, and
Speaker 2: I started following the game trail to the west. Walking
Speaker 2: right along the side of the mountain, I came upon
Speaker 2: the track that I sent you the picture of, and
Speaker 2: I wasn't even sure if it was a real track
Speaker 2: or not. And then I took about five more steps
Speaker 2: and I come out into this water in between two
Speaker 2: mountains where the snowmelt and all the rain runs down,
Speaker 2: and that's what you will see on the picture of
Speaker 2: the tree. And it's really hard packed, mostly rot, a
Speaker 2: lot of sage brush things like that. But then I've
Speaker 2: seen this tree and it has a limb ripped off
Speaker 2: of it. It's a completely green live tree. If you've
Speaker 2: ever built a campfire, you know you can break deadsticks
Speaker 2: they break right away. But I'm sorry, if you break
Speaker 2: a green one, the bark doesn't just break. You got
Speaker 2: to kind of like strip it off. And that's what
Speaker 2: I was seeing on this tree limb. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: I mean fifteen yards away from the print that I've seen.
Speaker 2: And I walked up to the tree and curiosity had
Speaker 2: got the best of me. So I started doing the
Speaker 2: circles around the tree looking for that tree lamb, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, what could have broke it off? It could
Speaker 2: even if it was a storm, it would have just
Speaker 2: snatched off and it would still be hanging by some
Speaker 2: of that green bark. Or you know, maybe somebody walked
Speaker 2: up this way and broke it off and threw it down.
Speaker 2: But I walked circles around that tree up to about
Speaker 2: twenty yards out. I never found that tree lamb. And
Speaker 2: if you look at the picture taking a picture of
Speaker 2: it going up the mountain, which is that wash has
Speaker 2: turned into another main game trail. It's easier for the
Speaker 2: elk and the deer to move up and down the
Speaker 2: mountain through that and climbing over all the rock. It
Speaker 2: gets really dmp some dark up there, and I started
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, you know, I've heard of them building
Speaker 2: structures and bedding and stuff. Maybe it tore this limb
Speaker 2: off and took it up there. But here we go again.
Speaker 2: I'm by myself in the middle of the mountains and
Speaker 2: no one knows where I'm at, so I did not
Speaker 2: pursue it any farther. I turned and walked down the
Speaker 2: wash back to the logging road coming in beside the river,
Speaker 2: and went back to my truck.
Speaker 1: Joe, real quick, I'm looking at the photo right now,
Speaker 1: But how how tall off the ground would you estimate
Speaker 1: that break to be?
Speaker 2: That break think was probably about six and a half foot.
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be easy for me to reach
Speaker 2: up there and grab that limb, but it was about
Speaker 2: two inches in diameter. I don't think I could have
Speaker 2: snapped that off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is definitely a sizeable branch. I would agree
Speaker 1: with you on that estimate of how wide around it
Speaker 1: it is. And I mean you can see the trail
Speaker 1: pretty close to it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the footprint was actually pointed in that direction
Speaker 2: where I came out onto that wash. It was like
Speaker 2: right on the side of it. It was like the
Speaker 2: only possible place you could have actually made a footprint
Speaker 2: was right there because everything else was either overgrown or
Speaker 2: it was rotted. It was like that was the only
Speaker 2: place that had a little bit of uncompacted dirt, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I've put it on social
Speaker 2: media and I've got slammed for it, Like, while is
Speaker 2: there only one prant? Oh, it looks like a cowl
Speaker 2: or it could have been a bare double stamps. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's big foot. It just got my curity
Speaker 2: curiosity to rouse why it was there. And then you know,
Speaker 2: a few yards from it, I have this tree with
Speaker 2: this limb ripped off. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It is very weird. And you said on the Snake.
Speaker 2: River right, Yes, it was right outside of a Palisades reservoir.
Speaker 2: We lived not far from there were We lived like
Speaker 2: an hour and a half hour and forty five minutes
Speaker 2: from Yellowstone Park. We lived there by Wyoming and Montana line.
Speaker 2: So if you bring up a Palisades reservoir, it's going
Speaker 2: to be right there on the Wyoming line.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, because you've got Palisades, But then you've also
Speaker 1: got Swan Valley right there. Right, yep.
Speaker 2: And this was to the south of Swan Valley. There's
Speaker 2: a dirt road that goes up on the south side
Speaker 2: of the Snake River there at Swan Valley, and it
Speaker 2: was off to the south on one of those before
Speaker 2: you get to the move.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, this this location has come up on the
Speaker 1: show before. It was back in episode eight fourteen. There
Speaker 1: were a ton of accounts that were sure there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of things out of happened around Palisades Reservoir
Speaker 1: over the years, going back to late nineties, sightings and
Speaker 1: tracks and multiple tracks, screams, roars being growled at. So
Speaker 1: I am not actually even things that sounded like the
Speaker 1: Sierra sounds. So I'm not surprised that if that's where
Speaker 1: you're you know, doing your hunting, that you're you're finding
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, it is a really active
Speaker 1: spot in Idaho.
Speaker 2: I wish I would have done that while I lived there.
Speaker 2: We'd done a little bit more investigator right there you.
Speaker 1: Go, there you go, I mean, yeah, you never know.
Speaker 1: That's why I've been trying to put this map together.
Speaker 1: I have on my website of all like the different
Speaker 1: encounters I've taken over the years because like some places
Speaker 1: you would have no idea unless you have access to
Speaker 1: the information.
Speaker 2: This place in Idaho, I mean you have this is
Speaker 2: a very popular trout fishing location.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: You have like homes that are along that dirt road.
Speaker 2: You have you know, people's vacation homes. They have, you know,
Speaker 2: trout hunters and lodges and stuff like that. And the
Speaker 2: footprint and the tree was like, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: a quarter of a mile behind them. I mean, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't think it would be that close to civilization, but
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Absolutely that. It is weird when you start to see
Speaker 1: stuff in civilized area, but it's I don't think it's
Speaker 1: out of the question for sure. Did you have when
Speaker 1: you lived in that area, did you ever talk to
Speaker 1: any neighbors to see if you know, they had ever
Speaker 1: seen any weird stuff or things like that around the reservoir?
Speaker 2: I do, And I have stickers on my throat, and
Speaker 2: you know sometimes I've got a big tattoo in the
Speaker 2: back of my leg of big Foot and people stop
Speaker 2: to me and talk to me. And that's why I
Speaker 2: do it, so that I can learn things. Not everybody talks,
Speaker 2: you know, what we are now, They don't they were
Speaker 2: kind of scared that people are going to laugh at them.
Speaker 2: I don't care if people laugh at me. It's I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that it's one true. I'm asking a question,
Speaker 2: you know what, what did you run into? What happened
Speaker 2: to you? And I have had several people talk to
Speaker 2: me about their experiences, uh some of them in Idaho.
Speaker 2: One guy that I actually worked with said that something
Speaker 2: through a rocket has head about the size of a softball,
Speaker 2: and it hit a tree right in front of him,
Speaker 2: and it hit so hard that it sounded like a
Speaker 2: gun going off, and he got scared and ran out
Speaker 2: of there and got back to his truck and left
Speaker 2: and he's never been back. He also had extremely good
Speaker 2: pictures on his phone of a trackway that he found
Speaker 2: in Washington, where his parents lived, and I thought that
Speaker 2: was very interesting. So I'm not really sure, I said,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm telling you what happened to me. And
Speaker 2: as far as the one in Arkansas goes, I said,
Speaker 2: I've never been more scared of anything in my life.
Speaker 2: But it didn't try to attack me. It didn't, it
Speaker 2: didn't do anything. It was like it was more curious
Speaker 2: than anything. It just kind of stood behind the tent
Speaker 2: and walked stuff. And the odd thing is we had
Speaker 2: a lot of raccoons there in Arkansas, big ones. They
Speaker 2: would have run up and stealed the chips out of
Speaker 2: your hand while you were eating them. They were brave.
Speaker 2: But my buddy had left it an open bag of
Speaker 2: Cheetos on the chair when we went to bed and
Speaker 2: part of the families. Nothing came to our campground that
Speaker 2: night and took anything. If it would have been a bear,
Speaker 2: I could see it stealing food. Raccoons, Yeah, but nothing
Speaker 2: was touched. Even when we went and hunted the next
Speaker 2: morning and come back and broke the campdown, everything was
Speaker 2: still there. There had been no animals around our campground
Speaker 2: for that entire time.
Speaker 1: You know, bringing up the Arkansas situation. I did have
Speaker 1: a few questions for you about that, And I know
Speaker 1: it sounded like you weren't really in the mindset that
Speaker 1: next morning to go looking around at stuff, just because
Speaker 1: you're like, get the weapon, use the facilities, right, But
Speaker 1: did you notice like anything of the ordinary, like any
Speaker 1: tracks on the ground or that was just totally out
Speaker 1: of your mind.
Speaker 2: Well, I did try to look for something around the campground,
Speaker 2: but it's a pine forest. Like I said, everything is
Speaker 2: completely covered with pine needles, so you really don't get
Speaker 2: any like crushed down brush or footprints in the mug
Speaker 2: or anything like that. It's just a really thick layer
Speaker 2: of dead pond needles. So that being said, we wouldn't
Speaker 2: really hanging out that much, you know, to do that much. Lookingly,
Speaker 2: we kind of loaded our rifles, got in the truck,
Speaker 2: drove on down to the other end of our camp,
Speaker 2: and hundreds a little bit until it started ringing, and
Speaker 2: then we come back, just broke everything down and left
Speaker 2: as quick as possible.
Speaker 1: Gotcha when you were there during that time, besides the
Speaker 1: very just the strange breathing noise, did you guys hear
Speaker 1: any other sounds that were that didn't really fit the area,
Speaker 1: anything else strange that you were hearing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was nothing nothing, No birds, no frogs, no crickets.
Speaker 2: Everything was completely silent except for that. And I've been asked, well,
Speaker 2: did you see a shadow on the tent? Well, no,
Speaker 2: because the moon went now, the stars went out. It
Speaker 2: was cloudy. It was like laying in pitch darkness just
Speaker 2: listening to something right behind you and that's all you
Speaker 2: can hear. Wow.
Speaker 1: Uh at any time where there are any trees or
Speaker 1: stick breaks or maybe trees getting sounded like trees fell,
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 2: No, nothing, No coyotes, and we have a lot of
Speaker 2: coyotes up there, and usually as soon as the sun
Speaker 2: goes down, you can hear the packs running chasing rabbits
Speaker 2: or whatever they're doing. We heard nothing, nothing whatsoever. We wow.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you the way you're explaining it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're in that that overpowering silence where it's like,
Speaker 1: so there's nothing and it's just I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've ever experienced that where it's like it's hard to
Speaker 1: think because it is so so quiet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I was panicked, I really was, and
Speaker 2: I was gripped in that pocket night and I don't
Speaker 2: understand how I fell asleep, because I mean almost as
Speaker 2: immediately as we stopped hearing it, I was out. I
Speaker 2: fell asleep and I didn't wake up until I needed
Speaker 2: to go to the restroom. Most people would have been
Speaker 2: panicking and go, Okay, it's gone, let's get in our truck,
Speaker 2: let's go. We fell asleep and slept the whole night.
Speaker 1: That that is the thing you hear that you hear
Speaker 1: that a lot in these and it's just it's just
Speaker 1: one of those weird things you just cannot explain. Not
Speaker 1: even any owls in the area.
Speaker 2: No, nothing.
Speaker 1: That that is just that's a freaking night dude. My goodness.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So you've had that in Arkansas and then the things
Speaker 1: you you found in Idaho. Is that the last time
Speaker 1: that you've experienced anything out of the ordinary or have
Speaker 1: there been things where you are currently as well?
Speaker 2: Well? I haven't. I haven't been able to get back
Speaker 2: out there here lately the past couple of years. They've
Speaker 2: had to put me on disability. I was an iron
Speaker 2: worker and a loader and everything. My back's gotten bad.
Speaker 2: Hopefully the end of September I'll get my last back
Speaker 2: surgery so that I can get back out there. And
Speaker 2: so I haven't been able to hunt or do anything
Speaker 2: like that in a couple of years, but I'm hoping
Speaker 2: to get back out there. We still have property in Arkansas.
Speaker 2: The guys want me to come back down and hunt
Speaker 2: with them after I get my back surgery. I'm hoping
Speaker 2: next year I will actually be able to get back
Speaker 2: down there into Arkansas, and this time is not just
Speaker 2: going to be hunting. For deer. You know it's going
Speaker 2: to be looking and seeing if there's any signs or
Speaker 2: you know, you go through stuff like that. It makes
Speaker 2: you look at things differently, it really does. I used
Speaker 2: to love the woods. I would be on my tree
Speaker 2: stand at least a half hour before daylight and it's
Speaker 2: just magic out in the woods. You hear the birds
Speaker 2: wake up, the squirrels start coming down right at daylight,
Speaker 2: the forest starts looking up, all the animals are getting out.
Speaker 2: It's purely magic. Yeah, I don't do that anymore. I
Speaker 2: am not going into the woods unless it's daylight. I
Speaker 2: have to be able to see what's around me. I
Speaker 2: really do. I get scared. The woods aren't the same anymore,
Speaker 2: not like they used to be. And I think if
Speaker 2: people ever experiencing things like I did, they're not going
Speaker 2: to be the same for you either. You're going to
Speaker 2: look at them differently.
Speaker 1: It is. It's a weird experience, I don't think. I
Speaker 1: think it's hard for people to understand that and let
Speaker 1: until they get in the situation like you've been in,
Speaker 1: where you experience that thing that is just extremely strange
Speaker 1: and has just affected the rest of your life. Now,
Speaker 1: is it Okay to mention where your current state is.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, uh, we just recently moved to Jefferson c Missouri.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. So you're down in Missouri.
Speaker 2: Now you.
Speaker 1: Have the tattoo on the back of your leg. You
Speaker 1: can't really get rid of that, so you have at
Speaker 1: least some form of a big footfalling you around. Have
Speaker 1: you gotten people down there that have been like, hey,
Speaker 1: I've I've had stuff happen down here too.
Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely. I went to the ose Art big Foot
Speaker 2: Conference last year. I was hoping to go again this year,
Speaker 2: but just with medical conditions, I just can't get down there.
Speaker 2: But that was in Springfield, Missouri last year, and I
Speaker 2: talked to one other guys that was in the audience,
Speaker 2: and he was he was kind of a believer, but
Speaker 2: he didn't know what to believe. And I talked to
Speaker 2: him in the audience and he said that he was there.
Speaker 2: He got elected from his small town in South Missouries
Speaker 2: to come there and learn about it because they had
Speaker 2: so many occurrences there, like they've seen them coming out
Speaker 2: of their sheds and their barns and stuff and running
Speaker 2: off into the woods. And I was trying to talk
Speaker 2: to him. I told my story a little bit, and
Speaker 2: then they sent everybody to lunch. Well, when we come
Speaker 2: back from lunch, I really wanted to talk to him
Speaker 2: and find out what town this was that he had
Speaker 2: left and he didn't come back. I've also ran into
Speaker 2: people at grocery stores and things like that. We'll say, oor,
Speaker 2: you know you a big foot hunter and I go, well,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a researcher, or what do you got.
Speaker 2: They'll tell me, you know, one time when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, this happened, and so yeah, it's a great
Speaker 2: way to meet people. And I believe the most important
Speaker 2: thing we can do as far as researchers or a
Speaker 2: bigfoot community is listen to what other people have done.
Speaker 2: Like I say, we're not going to get to go
Speaker 2: out there and live with a family of bigfoot and
Speaker 2: see what they do and record it all down. So
Speaker 2: our best information comes from people like me, people that
Speaker 2: have seen something, They've had something happen to them, and
Speaker 2: then maybe somebody on your show hears about it and go, hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, that happened to me too, and so
Speaker 2: maybe they'll make a report of it, and so we
Speaker 2: can start gathering this information up a little by little
Speaker 2: one goes, hey, this guy over here, Thank Lewis said this,
Speaker 2: and that matches the same thing in the sky room Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: or you know. I mean, that's how we're getting all
Speaker 2: our information of how they behave and what they do.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea. And the other interesting
Speaker 1: thing is, I mean there are people that say they
Speaker 1: have I mean that they are I guess not to
Speaker 1: the extent of doctor Jane Goodall, but that they have
Speaker 1: them on their property and that it's like a habituation
Speaker 1: thing going on. But yeah, it's it's interesting when you
Speaker 1: listen to all the accounts, you know, and maybe not
Speaker 1: maybe not kick some to the side, right and as
Speaker 1: you were saying, you know, kind of listen to everything
Speaker 1: that's going out there at all parts of the US
Speaker 1: and actually the world really. I mean there's stuff we
Speaker 1: can hear from other countries that applies to the US
Speaker 1: to situation as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean there's just those little small things
Speaker 2: that somebody might tell you a story of something they've
Speaker 2: seen and there's one little small part of it that
Speaker 2: matches with somebody else's story, and it matches with somebody
Speaker 2: else's story, and so that we can get to build
Speaker 2: a picture of it. I mean like you would do
Speaker 2: if you were, say a murderer investigator and you went
Speaker 2: out and interviewed everybody and showing that one little thing
Speaker 2: that ties everything together. And that's kind of what I
Speaker 2: think is. I love listening to people's stories. I really
Speaker 2: love hearing their sightings because it gives us just that
Speaker 2: one little bit more of information every.
Speaker 1: Day, Absolutely, Joe. And that's part of why I do
Speaker 1: what I do too. The main part is to give
Speaker 1: people a place to share where they don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about, you know, being made fun of or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But it is also it's a learning experience
Speaker 1: for me as well. But you know, it's been fun
Speaker 1: talking to you this afternoon, Joe. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that you know you were able to share everything
Speaker 1: that you came on the show to share today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that's about it. I'm just ready
Speaker 2: to get Sergerie done. I'm ready to get back out
Speaker 2: there and put some boots on the ground and you know, see,
Speaker 2: we're looking find.
Speaker 1: Next absolutely well, once you're able to do so, and
Speaker 1: if you do run into some other things, you know,
Speaker 1: please reach out. We'd love to hear from you again
Speaker 1: and and hear any updates further down the road. But
Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on the show today, Joe, absolutely,
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