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<v Speaker 1>This is a clip from Raised by Giants.

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<v Speaker 2>You can access the entire episode now on our website

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<v Speaker 2>and all podcast platforms. I always love talking philosophy with Ewane.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of my favorite things to talk about. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think some people misunderstand me sometimes on here. They

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<v Speaker 2>think that I'm like all factual, factually driven and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean I am to a certain degree. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've never ruled out the possibility that there are things

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<v Speaker 2>going on outside of our realm of perception. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously there is obviously there is entities out there lurking.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously there is an astral realm. There is an astral plane.

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<v Speaker 2>I've visited it a few times. I've never really been

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<v Speaker 2>outside of my body, but come close, come really close,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've experienced the pure darkness, the darkness realm in

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<v Speaker 2>a near death experience. I think on that several times.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think people have like a weird, weird thing

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<v Speaker 2>with me where they're like, oh, you know, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like, there's people on the internet. Those

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<v Speaker 2>people on the internet, Waene, sometimes they can suck my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, as I was talking today over on my show,

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<v Speaker 1>is that technically we are already in the astral realm.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just in one sub vision of it, and it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like there's a lease that you know. Once the

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<v Speaker 1>lease comes up, then you head to the next one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have no doubt that I think the vast

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<v Speaker 1>majority of us are going to be shocked when we

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<v Speaker 1>make that transition, and hopefully consciousness is transferable. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's not, then I don't know what we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in. But you know, they say it, it

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<v Speaker 1>mimics a lot of what this reality looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, well, what what if

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<v Speaker 2>whenever we die and we go to another likely let's

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<v Speaker 2>just take the take it for granted that whenever we

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<v Speaker 2>die in this physical avatar that we're in and we

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<v Speaker 2>go to another place, who's to say that that place

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't suck too. There's that other reality over there doesn't suck.

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<v Speaker 2>Just as much as people think that this reality sucks,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't think that this reality sucks. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this reality is probably the only reality in existence

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<v Speaker 2>where we can experience this physical existence. If any other

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<v Speaker 2>realm or any other reality, we're going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to experience things the way that we experience them here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what do you think of that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when you think about that transitioning either of all

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<v Speaker 1>we have to decide is there going to be someone

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side waiting for us that we know

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<v Speaker 1>or identify. But then again, you know, when we were born,

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<v Speaker 1>did we really know our parents? It's like, and how

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<v Speaker 1>do we make that transition in the parent normal way

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, we end up having spirits souls that

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<v Speaker 1>somehow are formless but yet are conscious. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's that a way. I think that we actually carry this,

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<v Speaker 1>the image of these avatars, these bodies with us, because

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the beginning, how are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>be identified? Or do we go in as like we

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<v Speaker 1>do here as newborn babies. And if that's the case,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope there's someone over there who's waiting for us.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, we're all heading there, and as I

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<v Speaker 1>have come to believe, I don't think we all end

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<v Speaker 1>up in the same place. It just doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You would throw every human being basically into one pile.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if a person who went through life

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<v Speaker 1>who wasn't spiritually motivated or minded and really didn't pay

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<v Speaker 1>much attention to that where another that's all we did.

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<v Speaker 1>Was our whole time here was to improve ourselves spiritually,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's an essence preparing for this X level. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't see how that that would mix. So I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it's going to be better than what we thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's take the Christian perspective of this right heaven

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<v Speaker 2>and the way that some Christians believe that heaven is

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<v Speaker 2>going to work, and how it's going to operate. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>How would you be able to quantify an endless amount

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<v Speaker 2>of like happiness and like ecstasy and like love. That

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<v Speaker 2>almost seems like that it would drive someone completely crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I mean by like us having a

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<v Speaker 2>balance here. We get to have a balance of that

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<v Speaker 2>in this reality. That kind of levels the playing fields.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets tilted one way some days heavily. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can be really excited, you can be really happy here,

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<v Speaker 2>but on the opposite end of that, you can also

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<v Speaker 2>be really sad and really depressed. So it ends up

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<v Speaker 2>like balancing itself out. If you were in an endless

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<v Speaker 2>state of happiness in ecstasy, wing would you not lose

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<v Speaker 2>your mind? You would think that you would almost lose

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<v Speaker 2>your mind, right, And that goes back to what I

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<v Speaker 2>have that I heard someone say a really long time ago,

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<v Speaker 2>probably in like twenty ten or even earlier. They said

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<v Speaker 2>that demons, what what we would personify as demons, actually

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<v Speaker 2>dwell in nothing butt ecstasy. That's why they're so insaine, right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's why they're evil, right, because they dwell in nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I see, okay, and angels dwell in nothing but

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<v Speaker 2>pain and sadness, right, So, and I thought that that

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<v Speaker 2>was really interesting. I was like, Okay, well, you could

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<v Speaker 2>probably figure out a way to manage pain and sadness, right,

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<v Speaker 2>able to quantify that in your in your brain. Unless

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a completely on, just overwhelming amount of pain

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<v Speaker 2>and sadness, then it would be really ridiculous. But being

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<v Speaker 2>able to manage an endless amount of ecstasy, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean some people take ecstasy and they get they lose

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<v Speaker 2>their mind, and that's a drug that I'm saying. I

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<v Speaker 2>just mean, like an endless state of ecstasy, you would

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<v Speaker 2>you would. I don't understand how you would be able

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<v Speaker 2>to handle that. So if heaven does exist or this

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<v Speaker 2>other round doesn't exist, there would have to be some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of managing of that, and you would have to

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<v Speaker 2>have some you would have to have a range of emotions.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what we have here, is a range of

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<v Speaker 2>emotions here.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be you know, technical as a Bible student.

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<v Speaker 1>The Old Testament doesn't talk about heaven because the Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>belief is is that they will be resurrected and they

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<v Speaker 1>become kind of the owners of the world. That's their promise.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of heaven comes into the New Testament teachings,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really kind of strange because Paul says that

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<v Speaker 1>there are seven levels to Heaven, implying that each one

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<v Speaker 1>is greater than the one previous if you believe. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of Revelation, it states that Heaven is an

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<v Speaker 1>actual planet city. The mentions are fifteen hundred miles high,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred miles wide, it's a cube, and that it

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<v Speaker 1>will physically come back here to Earth. So this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing of heaven for me is really bizarre. It talks

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<v Speaker 1>about this God having his throne, which which is a

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<v Speaker 1>crystal throne on a sea of crystal. It's got these

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<v Speaker 1>really weird creatures at each corner of his own. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it's surrounded by twenty four male else and when you

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<v Speaker 1>start reading them, you particularly if you believe it, you're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a devoted to the belief system. It begins

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<v Speaker 1>to write an image that most people don't really think about.

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<v Speaker 1>And in heaven for Christians is different than what well again,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the Jewish belief system they don't have heaven