Speaker 1: This is a clip from Raised by Giants.
Speaker 2: You can access the entire episode now on our website
Speaker 2: and all podcast platforms. I always love talking philosophy with Ewane.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite things to talk about. And
Speaker 2: I think some people misunderstand me sometimes on here. They
Speaker 2: think that I'm like all factual, factually driven and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I mean I am to a certain degree. But
Speaker 2: I've never ruled out the possibility that there are things
Speaker 2: going on outside of our realm of perception. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously there is obviously there is entities out there lurking.
Speaker 2: Obviously there is an astral realm. There is an astral plane.
Speaker 2: I've visited it a few times. I've never really been
Speaker 2: outside of my body, but come close, come really close,
Speaker 2: and I've experienced the pure darkness, the darkness realm in
Speaker 2: a near death experience. I think on that several times.
Speaker 2: So I think people have like a weird, weird thing
Speaker 2: with me where they're like, oh, you know, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, there's people on the internet. Those
Speaker 2: people on the internet, Waene, sometimes they can suck my friend.
Speaker 1: You know, as I was talking today over on my show,
Speaker 1: is that technically we are already in the astral realm.
Speaker 1: We're just in one sub vision of it, and it
Speaker 1: seems like there's a lease that you know. Once the
Speaker 1: lease comes up, then you head to the next one.
Speaker 1: And I have no doubt that I think the vast
Speaker 1: majority of us are going to be shocked when we
Speaker 1: make that transition, and hopefully consciousness is transferable. You know.
Speaker 1: If it's not, then I don't know what we're going
Speaker 1: to be in. But you know, they say it, it
Speaker 1: mimics a lot of what this reality looks like.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, well, what what if
Speaker 2: whenever we die and we go to another likely let's
Speaker 2: just take the take it for granted that whenever we
Speaker 2: die in this physical avatar that we're in and we
Speaker 2: go to another place, who's to say that that place
Speaker 2: doesn't suck too. There's that other reality over there doesn't suck.
Speaker 2: Just as much as people think that this reality sucks,
Speaker 2: which I don't think that this reality sucks. I think
Speaker 2: that this reality is probably the only reality in existence
Speaker 2: where we can experience this physical existence. If any other
Speaker 2: realm or any other reality, we're going to be able
Speaker 2: to experience things the way that we experience them here.
Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think of that?
Speaker 1: Well, when you think about that transitioning either of all
Speaker 1: we have to decide is there going to be someone
Speaker 1: on the other side waiting for us that we know
Speaker 1: or identify. But then again, you know, when we were born,
Speaker 1: did we really know our parents? It's like, and how
Speaker 1: do we make that transition in the parent normal way
Speaker 1: that you know, we end up having spirits souls that
Speaker 1: somehow are formless but yet are conscious. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that a way. I think that we actually carry this,
Speaker 1: the image of these avatars, these bodies with us, because
Speaker 1: at least in the beginning, how are we going to
Speaker 1: be identified? Or do we go in as like we
Speaker 1: do here as newborn babies. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: I hope there's someone over there who's waiting for us.
Speaker 1: But either way, we're all heading there, and as I
Speaker 1: have come to believe, I don't think we all end
Speaker 1: up in the same place. It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: You would throw every human being basically into one pile.
Speaker 1: And you know, if a person who went through life
Speaker 1: who wasn't spiritually motivated or minded and really didn't pay
Speaker 1: much attention to that where another that's all we did.
Speaker 1: Was our whole time here was to improve ourselves spiritually,
Speaker 1: and that's an essence preparing for this X level. I
Speaker 1: just don't see how that that would mix. So I
Speaker 1: believe it's going to be better than what we thought.
Speaker 2: Well, let's take the Christian perspective of this right heaven
Speaker 2: and the way that some Christians believe that heaven is
Speaker 2: going to work, and how it's going to operate. Right,
Speaker 2: How would you be able to quantify an endless amount
Speaker 2: of like happiness and like ecstasy and like love. That
Speaker 2: almost seems like that it would drive someone completely crazy.
Speaker 2: And that's what I mean by like us having a
Speaker 2: balance here. We get to have a balance of that
Speaker 2: in this reality. That kind of levels the playing fields.
Speaker 2: It gets tilted one way some days heavily. You know,
Speaker 2: you can be really excited, you can be really happy here,
Speaker 2: but on the opposite end of that, you can also
Speaker 2: be really sad and really depressed. So it ends up
Speaker 2: like balancing itself out. If you were in an endless
Speaker 2: state of happiness in ecstasy, wing would you not lose
Speaker 2: your mind? You would think that you would almost lose
Speaker 2: your mind, right, And that goes back to what I
Speaker 2: have that I heard someone say a really long time ago,
Speaker 2: probably in like twenty ten or even earlier. They said
Speaker 2: that demons, what what we would personify as demons, actually
Speaker 2: dwell in nothing butt ecstasy. That's why they're so insaine, right,
Speaker 2: That's why they're evil, right, because they dwell in nothing.
Speaker 2: But I see, okay, and angels dwell in nothing but
Speaker 2: pain and sadness, right, So, and I thought that that
Speaker 2: was really interesting. I was like, Okay, well, you could
Speaker 2: probably figure out a way to manage pain and sadness, right,
Speaker 2: able to quantify that in your in your brain. Unless
Speaker 2: it's like a completely on, just overwhelming amount of pain
Speaker 2: and sadness, then it would be really ridiculous. But being
Speaker 2: able to manage an endless amount of ecstasy, and I
Speaker 2: mean some people take ecstasy and they get they lose
Speaker 2: their mind, and that's a drug that I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: just mean, like an endless state of ecstasy, you would
Speaker 2: you would. I don't understand how you would be able
Speaker 2: to handle that. So if heaven does exist or this
Speaker 2: other round doesn't exist, there would have to be some
Speaker 2: kind of managing of that, and you would have to
Speaker 2: have some you would have to have a range of emotions.
Speaker 2: But that's what we have here, is a range of
Speaker 2: emotions here.
Speaker 1: And to be you know, technical as a Bible student.
Speaker 1: The Old Testament doesn't talk about heaven because the Jewish
Speaker 1: belief is is that they will be resurrected and they
Speaker 1: become kind of the owners of the world. That's their promise.
Speaker 1: The idea of heaven comes into the New Testament teachings,
Speaker 1: and it's really kind of strange because Paul says that
Speaker 1: there are seven levels to Heaven, implying that each one
Speaker 1: is greater than the one previous if you believe. In
Speaker 1: the Book of Revelation, it states that Heaven is an
Speaker 1: actual planet city. The mentions are fifteen hundred miles high,
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred miles wide, it's a cube, and that it
Speaker 1: will physically come back here to Earth. So this whole
Speaker 1: thing of heaven for me is really bizarre. It talks
Speaker 1: about this God having his throne, which which is a
Speaker 1: crystal throne on a sea of crystal. It's got these
Speaker 1: really weird creatures at each corner of his own. Then
Speaker 1: it's surrounded by twenty four male else and when you
Speaker 1: start reading them, you particularly if you believe it, you're
Speaker 1: you know, a devoted to the belief system. It begins
Speaker 1: to write an image that most people don't really think about.
Speaker 1: And in heaven for Christians is different than what well again,
Speaker 1: and then the Jewish belief system they don't have heaven