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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dampa Valley coming at

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you with as always the certified fantabias Grant, who's end

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super excited to be joined by as we are now

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A S S spelled exactly as it sounds. Mister Wasserman,

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these there might be a draft or something coming up.

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Speaker 2: Rumor has it? How the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. I'm always joined for you guys,

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But yeah, I'm good. I'm It's cool that we go

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straight from the files and like two days later we're

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into draft bote.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Cool is the word I use for it?

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What do you use? Grant?

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Speaker 4: I would say punishingly, relentless, I'd use two. But hey, also,

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I don't know if you caught that, but Dan definitely

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just verbal contracted you into doing every year, he said,

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as we will do every year.

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Speaker 5: So sorry, but that.

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Speaker 1: Perpetuity too, Yeah, you're stinding, He didn't reject it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm good for an hour, So I wanted to start here.

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We're actually grant you want to take this one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is this is helpful for us non

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draft experts that follow the league, but just don't. I

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don't have anywhere near the sort of perspective on this

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that you do. Last year, the narrative was, and I

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think it turned out to be accurate, like there's not

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a superstar in this draft. It's it's a It was

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just even leading up to it, you know, eighteen months

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prior to that draft, Oh, this class just isn't isn't great?

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And just some people were even yeah right, actually I did.

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I was like, was it Alex sar Like, so what

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is the from from more of an inside like really

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following this this type of thing perspective, how does this

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class stack up and take that any direction you want?

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Speaker 5: Is there a superstar?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 5: Probably?

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Speaker 4: But like where does this draft class sit relative to

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last year, relative to like the last ten or a

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dozen or however far back you want to go?

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Speaker 3: All right, So it's like always hard to measure draft classes,

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Like you could have like a couple of stars at

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the top and then nobody or then you could have, like,

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you know, twenty five really good role players. It is

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that better than the class that has a couple of

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starts at the top. I would just if we're to good,

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separate into like a good and bad. This is definitely

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a good, like this is a a There's obviously potential

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stars at the top, way more than last year, of course,

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And I think Cooper is the real deal, somebody that

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he's been like in front of our faces since he

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was fifteen years old. It's not like he just like

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blew up out of nowhere or even like Wemby where

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people didn't really get to see him, you know, on

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like a big stage until you know, like the year

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before the draft. We've seen Cooper flag with USA basketball

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for so long, and every year he gets better and

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every year the hype goes higher. So we're all good

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with him. And dyl Harper is the same way he's been,

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like he's been a big name for so long, and

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he's never really let us down. Every you know, he's

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always getting a little bit better. And then it gets

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a little bit tricky with the next handful of guys,

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but I still think that there's a lot of confidence

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in them. And then as you move down the board

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like there's this is a good year to have a

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first round pick. I mean, I really don't see much

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of a difference between some of the guys in the

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twenties and some of the guys in the teens and that,

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a lottery caliber guy in the early twenties. So I'm

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usually I feel like I've become like over my older years,

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as I get gray in my beard, like more of

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a pessimist. But I'm feeling good this year, Like I

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think there's a lot of good a lot of good players.

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get into nil and a lot of these guys going back,

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which naturally reduces the depth of this of this class

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or whatever. I still think this is you can get

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like good players in the second round.

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and guys going back, and I think in the long

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run that might be bet It's better for agents, I'm sure,

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but also better for college basketball if you want people

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to be sort of married to their fandom of a

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program rather than a turnover is it maial. Some people

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say that it's materially impacted though the depth of this class,

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and they think it's gonna get even more impactful moving forward.

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round type guys, do you do you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: I think every year it's going to change. Like this

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year there happens to be a lot of really good freshmen.

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freshmen and guys might not go back to college because

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they have a much better chance of going first round.

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the model, Like, I think it's pretty cool. I mean,

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next year, as a college basketball guy and somebody who

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wants other people to watch college basketball, and I can't

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even get my best friends to watch five minutes of it,

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you know, it's it's gonna be much better next year.

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caliber guys will be back. I'm so into the transfer

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portal thing, like with I know, like old heads are

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going to be like you know, there's no continuity and

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you never know who's on what team, but it's fun.

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It's like fantasy sports. It's like every year these guys

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are building new teams and new players are playing with

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different guys. But yeah, I mean this year, a lot

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of guys that that would be considered like first round

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caliber prospects went back because they're going to make more money,

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you know, to make Some of these guys are making

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like two million dollars and they're just and they're like

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borderline first round picks. So there's no doubt that there

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will make more money in college than they will in

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the NBA. So a lot of these decisions made sense.

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I'm into it. I think the pros that way the

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cons do.

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Speaker 1: I like it better when they only did it for

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the love of the game. It's just such a mistake

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for the love of the game.

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Speaker 5: This is an issue.

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Speaker 4: I am one of those people that, just like you know,

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with following the NBA, following college basketball has become like,

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I don't know where it falls on my list of

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non NBA sports, but it's gotten harder and harder. But

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doesn't it doesn't it stand to reason that if these

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borderline guys that are that are going back because I

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can make two million dollars versus maybe I'm a second

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round or will there be a class at some point,

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you know, the you know, the next handful of years. Well,

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those guys do go back and they get better and

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they make money, which is great for them. And then

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it's like, oh my god, we have six juniors in

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the lottery, like, which is just unheard of because those

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guys do you Like, isn't that a possibility where you

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have more upperclassmen actually? And then maybe teams are like, great,

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this guy's ready, he can actually help us, like that

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does just have that type of player.

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Speaker 3: If that does happen, then then it's a really bad

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Speaker 5: Right, Okay, people are still going upside right.

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Speaker 3: I mean like yeah, I mean that's still the case, right,

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there's still a lot of freshmen in this in this

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first round. But I was looking at the numbers. It's

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really more about like the back end of the first

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round in the second round, Like a couple of years ago,

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for like, there was like a six year stretch where

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only like maybe four to six seniors will be taken

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in the second round. Last year it was much more.

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youth wins, but you got to show enough of it

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during that one year. But this year there happens to

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be this is a very strong freshman class. Next year

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there's a couple of big guys at the top, and

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then it's unclear, like right, like to your point, next year,

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if the guys who are like, you know, the four, five,

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six freshmen on the board are not as advertised, yeah,

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that it could be a weird thing where we see

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a lot of older guys you know, go higher at

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Speaker 2: Can grant you had an archetypal question, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if this is like a fair

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question to ask because it's kind of esoteric too, Like,

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but you know, seven eight years ago, you're looking at

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the types of players everybody wants, and it's, well, how

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do we keep up with the Warriors and the rockets

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that play six foot six centers and space the floor

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and everybody's got a switch and all that stuff. And

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then you've cut to last year and maybe this is

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class specific, but you have Edie and Klingon going pretty high,

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and those guys are like they can't those guys feel

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closer to Roy Hibbert, you know than like some of

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the guys that have been drafted high more recently. So

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trends change and the way the game is played changes.

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it is like, all things being equal, what kind of

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skill set is like the tiebreaker now? And is that

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it's like is it still just we want wings that

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can do everything? Or is it like is there a

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type of player you're seeing maybe just in this class

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specifically or the last couple that maybe is regarded more

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highly now as more of like the trendy player type

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that teams are coveting, or is there just it's always

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best player available.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely always best player available. But yeah, there are trends.

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I'm always under the belief and I have a good question,

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is the same type of It's the same idea like

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if Shack played in today today's league, like would Shack dominate?

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he's still going to dominate even though he's technically doesn't

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have that like shoot dribble skill set. Teams wrong. I

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don't know, Maybe I'm wrong but it's like one of

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those theoretical questions that I.

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Speaker 5: Just don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think, like seven eight years ago, I

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think that question would have been met with a lot

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of like I don't I don't know. You know, the

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way the game's played now, it's pays in space and

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if you're a if you're a non stretch, non switch

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big guy, you're just again Roy Hibbert's the comp but

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it's like that guy's dominating the league and then two

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years later he's out.

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Speaker 5: But then I think, go ahead, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, on the other hand, and it's like, you know,

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the same thing with like mid range isn't cool anymore.

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really really good in the mid range, and like you know,

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like nobody plays post game, but like think of Embid

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and his way, he's actually healthy. Like yeah, post, no

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one's gonna feed you the ball on the post and

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like everything slows down, but like if you're dominating the post,

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you could still be good in the post. So you know,

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I don't know if there is yes, the like Klan

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and Edie going first going lottery last year was kind

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of surprising, and I think it's become more accepted to

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take guys like that who don't have that classic modern

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skill set, and we're seeing every year, we're seeing like

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a seven footer who's who is like the you know,

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the Mitchell Robinson we're in New York, Damn. Like the

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guy who just cat who took dunks and block shots

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and he's not modern. But like those guys, that skill

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exactly what you're getting and what you're getting carries over,

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Speaker 3: I think there's there's something about there's something value about.

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set and just the fact that like you know, you

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know it's going to carry over.

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Speaker 1: Are we ready to dig in some specific prospects? And

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I think I don't know loss if you're aware, but

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there's someone named Cooper Flag. I think it's projected to

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go number one.

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Speaker 3: It's in my contract. I don't have to talk about

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Cooper Flag for another year. But yeah, let's you talking

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about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you grade Brownie's rookie year performance.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised they didn't make me do a rookie report

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on it.

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Speaker 1: So I think this criticism feels like it's probably winnowed

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a little bit. But are you do you subscribe to

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the critique that maybe Flag is not a best player

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on the best team type and is more of just

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a guy who doesn't have a major weakness. Or is

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that just a you know, a misrepresentation of what he

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could do, especially after his empty gym shooting workout with

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the Mavericks.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, Listen, I think there are I think he can

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be the best player on the best team as long

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as you have a good supporting cast, right, there's so

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many other variables he doesn't have that. I think we

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get so caught up and like, can he be Jason Tittam,

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you know, five seconds on the shot clock, give him

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the ball and go get a bucket? Like can you

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do that? Traditionally? Like that's not his strength. That doesn't

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mean he can't be the best player on the team

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because of how many other ways he impacts the game.

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But but yeah, I think that that that question and

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that concern really comes down to everyone's an obsession over

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self creation, and I've kind of like over the years

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devalued it a little bit, and it reminds me. I know,

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there's obviously a lot of differences between the guys we

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want to mention, but like Yiannis and Zion, I mean,

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healthy Zion is dominant and he's not a great self creator.

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They'll still give you, you know, a health design is

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still going to dominate a game without being a guy

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who is going to like work you on one on

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one and pull up, you know, step back off the dribble.

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So I think he can be the best player on

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the best team of a good team, but you do

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have to have some maybe better creators around him. You know,

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there's there's other things involved there, But man, he is

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he is like as complete as a prospect, both in

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terms of skill, physical tools, athleticism, his his mind and

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tangibles and stuff. Like I know, it's like a cliche

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to say he doesn't have a weakness, Like he really

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doesn't have anything to worry about with him. And of

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course the other side of it is like how high

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is the ceiling then? But I love those guys who

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just get better every year, Like the big question kind

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of grant what you said, Like the big question coming

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into this year at Duke was can he be the

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best player? Does he have that creation ability? Is he

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a good enough shooter to be a number one overall pick?

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Every single year he gets better at those things and

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knowing who he is, where his background and stuff, And

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you're just betting on the same type of development I

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saw from fifteen to eighteen, Like if he goes at

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the same rate, he is going to be a number

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one option by the time he's He's still he just

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turned eighteen, and it's like the craziest thing to even

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think about, Like he's going to play five years in

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the NBA and be twenty two, so he could be

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a totally different guy in five years. And just again

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his the ability to improve that I guess that could

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be a skill too, and he had he aces that test,

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like the ability to improve.

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Speaker 1: I guess you kind of answered this too, But where

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do you I think part of it is the injury

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with the team he's going to go to in Dallas

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with Kyrie injured, where do you land on him as

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just a playmaker?

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Speaker 2: Because I think probably because Dallas is the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: I went back and watched a bunch of like Cooper

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flag passing, and he was a little bit more dynamic

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there when I was expecting than I was expecting. But

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do you view him as someone who can be the

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driver of an offense in that regard? And I guess

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the second part of that is, do you think it's

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worth like can is he someone who could be trying

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by fired in that or through? The Mavericks need to

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go get another playmaker while Kyrie's injured, to like sort

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of insulate him and ensure his workload isn't too heavy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, ideally he's not your like lead playmaker.

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It's something he can do, but he's not like a

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a point guard, you know. It's it's a it's an

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extra layer to his game that that separates him from

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guys who are six ten and lockdown defensively and fly

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above the rim and we'll play through you, you know,

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in the way to the hoop. Like it's a it's

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an extra layer that that really is pretty cool because

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first of all, he's gotten so much better shooting in

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the mid range, which I love for a pick and

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roll ball handler. His brain is processing and the passing

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has always been there, and the passing to me is

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something that always translates, So yeah, you can use him

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in that spot. But uh yeah, yeah, he's not I

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don't know if his handle is good enough where it's like, okay,

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give him, you know, twelve pick give him twelve ball

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screens a game, and let's just run everything through him.

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So yeah, you're gonna need another another, uh like real

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ball handler point guard. But when he's playing, when he's

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playing power forward and being guarded against six ten guys,

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that ability to create off the balance and make reads

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and decisions with the ball, it's like very advantageous and.

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Speaker 4: You can't get away with guarding him with a with

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a wing or a small right like that's just off

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the table because of how he uses his size and like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, maybe early on, maybe like when he's

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eighteen and nineteen, but yeah, when he fills out and

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gets even stronger, he like loves contact. He's so good

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at playing through it, and he doesn't even he's one

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of those guys like kind of like Zion where it's

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like he doesn't need like these fancy ball handling moves.

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He gets, he does the right move to get to

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his spot, and then he's just so good at just

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like plowing through you and finishing with body control or

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tough layups. So yeah, I'm excited about that part of

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his game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're ready to jump to Dylan Harper? Dan, you

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got more on Flag? We've already already had talk too

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much about Flag. It's like, what are we doing there?

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Speaker 3: Whatever?

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Speaker 2: What else do we need to know about Cooper Flag?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Harper's really interesting to me. One because I'm a

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I'm a long standing Ron Harper fan, just one of

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my favorite deep cut like role player guys ever. But

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like so two parter, I guess he can move, he

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can get to his spots. The jumper is a question. Uh,

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just the numbers are what they are, and the form

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is like it feels flat and all this other stuff.

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So what are your thoughts on his potential as just

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specifically like just say a three point shooter and maybe

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we can get it off the dribble three point shooting

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if you want to get you know, more granular. And

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then assuming he goes to to the spurs, which feels

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like if that's what's gonna happen, but who knows, how

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does his what's the interplay gonna be?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: In your estimation between him and Steph Castle, who's coming

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off Rookie of the Year. The questions with him are

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about the jump shot too, like which of the two

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would you expect to see developed more as like the

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on ball guy versus the off ball guy, because if

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you both have shooting questions like how does that? What's

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what's the likeliest way that shakes out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? On paper, listen, it's it's a tough fit on paper,

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Usually good players figure it out. And so if you're

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san Antonio, you just kind of you bet on that.

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And I'm always like, take the best player available and

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you figure it out later if you have to, if

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you have to make a trade later on, like you

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make a trade. But one of the things with with Harper,

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just based on this one year, he was very efficient

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off the ball, like good, good spot up shooter. He

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does well with those dribble handoffs. So I'm not as

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concerned about the fit between Fox and Uh and Harper.

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I guess the bigger concern is does this stunt the

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development of Castle because He's gonna suddenly like a big

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selling point to Castle coming out of Yukon and I

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you guys probably watched way more Castle than I did

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this past year, So I know.

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Speaker 2: The show the player.

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Speaker 3: That's actually not a bad Uh, maybe I should go

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that's a good throwback show to get involved in. My

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dad always like Castle, but like he's that show, such

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a dad show, but like not like a young like

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young dad show. That's like a our dad.

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Speaker 1: We all used to juice the ratings of it though,

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before those TNT games, when it'd be ending just as

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the TNT games to be started.

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Speaker 3: It's so good, yeah, but like no, he's never like

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he's gonna you throw Harper in there, and suddenly Castle

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is just naturally gonna be spending more time off the ball,

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And I don't know if that's one of his strengths.

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I've always thought one of the big selling points to

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Castle was like the positional size for a guy who

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can play point wing. That's what I remember seeing him

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in high school for the first time. It being like,

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holy crap, this guy is like powerful, strong, and he's

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making these like crosscour passes and that wasn't even his

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role at Ukon, but you could see that was an

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interesting part of his game. So anyway, I think I

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think Harper can play off the ball. I'm not worried

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about that. You just worry about what this does to Castle,

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who was now obviously a key building block for that

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team and somebody who I thought had upside as a creator,

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but also a lot more to learn and to get

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better at. And you know he's gonna have less chances.

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Speaker 1: Ace Bailey, there's wild stuff coming out about him right now.

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Speaker 5: You did?

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Speaker 1: I saw you post on Twitter, and I think that

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was like good perspective of teams understand that this isn't

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Ace Bailey, this teenager making all these decisions on his own.

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But like, how much does this actually we've now seen

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him like slide down a bunch of boards. It's like

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before even getting into like what you think he could

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be as a prospect or an NBA player, Like, how

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much is all this stuff truckling out actually impacting one

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NBA teams's view of him and then two where he'll

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ultimately get selected.

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Speaker 3: So the people I've talked to are like, if Philly

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passes non named, Charlotte's not, and I don't even know

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if that's until that's just like people are like expecting

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him to go top three all year and if he

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slides to Charlotte, who is kind of desperate, and everybody

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had this idea that Bailey. Most people around the league

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always had him as you know, in that in that

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same tier with Dylan and and VJ. You know, I

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let's let's just say what it is. This is a Jonathan

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Cavoni report, and he put it out there and he

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changed the narrative. And there's I'm not questioning anything Cavoni does.

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I've always had respect for him, but he throughout this

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report out there and put him at six and it

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changed the whole narrative of the NBA draft conversation. I

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don't know if he knows anything of what Charlotte's thinking

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or what Utah is thinking from people from and probly

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the way this is the problem with draft reporting is

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you're always going off rival teams, right like, like if

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I hear from a team and they tell me something interesting,

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I can't I'm not I can't say that out loud,

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right like, I'll lose that connection. So you're always you're

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always asking around the league to kind of get a

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consensus and feel, but they're not in the same building.

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So it's you know, it's like a weird it's it's

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it's not like great journalism, but you want to people

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want to know what you're hearing. And what I'm hearing

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is that there's no way he's going to slide past

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Charlotte or Utah. But again, this is like an optic

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optics thing, right, It's it's just like it's a bad

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look from him, makes Ace Bailey look bad, and now

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they're talking about him on like mainstream shows like PTI like,

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I think it was a Will bond maybe the other day.

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I hope it was well, but I don't want to

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put anyone bad. Well they said, like I would never

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want to never want to be a part of this kid,

477
00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:20,319
Like I would never want somebody with that mindset on

478
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,440
my team. Like again, he's eighteen, he's listening to Sharif

479
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,880
Cooper's dad, who's never been an agent before he just

480
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,039
started it. He has no NBA players, He was a

481
00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:33,640
grassroots coach and he from Georgia has a connection with

482
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,000
East Bailey. Like obviously there's a trust between them, they

483
00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:39,880
have a deeper relationship. But and also I have you know,

484
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,319
I don't know what's going on inside of I've reached

485
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,200
out to Omar Cooper He's did obviously did not respond,

486
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,880
but like he may have. He may he obviously knows

487
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,200
way more than we do, and so maybe he knows

488
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,480
what he's doing, and maybe he wants him to fall

489
00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:58,279
to Brooklyn. So he is a star in a big

490
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,240
in New York market. Like you know, there's so many

491
00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:05,319
variables involved, But I don't think that. I don't think

492
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,240
teams are like gonna pass on him because he's like

493
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,119
a diva canceling workouts. I mean, there's so much state

494
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,200
on as Bailey. It's not again, this is forget the

495
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,200
thirty games that he played this year. As Bailey has

496
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,720
been such a high profile prospect for so long that

497
00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:22,920
you know, nobody nobody's learning anything new from a workout,

498
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,759
so forget the workout. And and he actually has never

499
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:28,960
had a bad reputation in terms of character, like he's

500
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,440
always been a good kid. Nobody's ever said a bad

501
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,279
thing about him off the floor. So this is obviously

502
00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,200
all agent driven. And I don't think a team, if

503
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,880
they really think Aast Bailey is the best player on

504
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,640
the board, is gonna be like that Omar Cooper. He's

505
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,519
a pain of the s or he thinks he's cocky.

506
00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,640
We're gonna take somebody else. Like, I just can't picture

507
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,160
that happening.

508
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,319
Speaker 4: I have a lot of Bailey's Like it's even I think,

509
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,680
independent of this narrative stuff that's come up of the

510
00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,920
last couple weeks, I guess Bailey to me, just watching

511
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,240
some of the film, I was wondering if, like, is

512
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:02,440
he gonna be someone that teams independent of the other

513
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,920
stuff look at and say, like, some of these weaknesses

514
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,279
are like real issues for an NBA player. If we

515
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,079
could imagine that none of this other non basketball stuff

516
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:14,799
had arisen, do you think it would just be ah,

517
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,160
he's going three and like or are there is it

518
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,920
your sense that there are teams that are looking at

519
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,160
him and like, well, he takes and makes takes and

520
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,240
sometimes makes difficult contested shots, doesn't look on balance all

521
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:29,640
the time, Like there's real Could you kind of take

522
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,480
us through some of the real questions, because like, I

523
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,319
don't know, maybe I'm just a pessimist, but when I

524
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,839
watched the film, it's like it's really hard for me

525
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,759
to unsee some of the stuff that would concern me

526
00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:40,839
about him as a player.

527
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 3: He's not top five on my board, so okay, I'm

528
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,359
not pro Bailey in terms of like you know the

529
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,960
comparisons coming into the season where Tracy McGrady and Paul

530
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,359
George and even Brandon Miller was one I used as

531
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,039
like a lighter one. So I'm not comparing him to

532
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:01,279
like a Hall of Famer, but his is I think

533
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,039
after what we saw like his the weaknesses change his

534
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,119
projected archetype. So now Michael Portera Jr. Is more of

535
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,119
the comp or even more of like a wing version

536
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,400
of Jabari Smith. Yeah, he's not very efficient with the

537
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,720
ball in his hands. He's not like, his moves are

538
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:23,200
not like super sharp, and they generally result in some

539
00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:27,480
type of difficult jump shot. I don't want to be

540
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,759
all negative on him because again he's still eighteen. He

541
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,880
is going to be six or nine shoes, and he's

542
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,920
an incredibly skilled shot maker. And he also was very

543
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,799
efficient around the rim when he got there. He had

544
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,079
he shot very well in touchdouts around the paint, which

545
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:44,440
I love for a guy who's not an explosive athlete,

546
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,359
like he's going to need that. But what kills me,

547
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,519
I'm just pulling up right now, and I just I'm

548
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,799
big on this one number, and like historically it's pretty

549
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:54,519
overwhelming the evidence. So he has an eight point three

550
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,880
as sis percentage. I know his role is not to pass,

551
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,359
but his oraclely wings that have an assist percentage below

552
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,119
ten percent like are never star players. And I think

553
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,559
it says a lot about aside from the fact that

554
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:11,160
you know, the tunnel vision and can he get rid

555
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,400
of the tunnel vision? And maybe if he had better players,

556
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,480
maybe he passed more. But watch it, but like the

557
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:19,359
tape matches up, he doesn't even survey the you know,

558
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,559
It's like when he gets the ball, he's already deciding

559
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:24,359
I'm gonna score. I'm gonna shoot, regardless of what the

560
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,519
defenses is reading what he's seeing, and I think that's

561
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,039
such a bad quality. But also he just doesn't have

562
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,400
the the creativeness off the dribble to make plays for teammates.

563
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,200
And to me, that's going to result in like the

564
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,319
Michael Porter junior role where he's more of an off

565
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,319
ball guy as opposed to I mean, the McGrady comparison

566
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,279
was such a popular one. McGrady was like a point

567
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:46,759
guard who was like a point win out there. That

568
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,279
was what separated him, I think, aside from obviously the

569
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,079
shot making too, but a guy to give you five

570
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:53,599
assists per game. I don't think Billy had five assists

571
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:56,599
in any game he had a whole season, and for

572
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:58,200
a while it was like he never had more than

573
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,880
one for like the first twenty game or something like that.

574
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,400
Just it's not part of his game. I just from

575
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,440
a value standpoint, it's just it's just not it's not there.

576
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,039
So yeah, I got problems with that. I'm not saying

577
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,160
he's gonna be a bust. I just don't think that

578
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480
he's gonna be. Like the if you're a score and

579
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,680
you don't really add value anywhere else, like you better

580
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,960
be a damn good efficient scorer. It gives you twenty

581
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,839
five plus a night on fifty percent shooting, and it's

582
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,960
the bet on that is a is a tough bet. Also,

583
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,119
knowing his kind of mindset, he also answer some questions,

584
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,519
like at the combine they asked him about like that

585
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,559
shot selection. He's like, no, I'm gonna keep shooting. I'm

586
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,759
a I'm a bucket. I forget exactly what he said,

587
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:37,519
but something along the lines of, like, you know, I know,

588
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:39,720
I'm my pet playmaking. He could have said my playmaking

589
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,920
is underrated and it would have been better than whatever

590
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,839
whatever he said, yeah.

591
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: Does he have that ability because like you know the

592
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:48,440
comps now that you might mention if you're moving away

593
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,839
from the mcgrady's, does he have the ability to scale down?

594
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,160
Then it's not I'm not even talking about a mindset thing.

595
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,559
But when you look at him like the Michael Porter

596
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,519
Junior role, looking all the stuff he does at the ball,

597
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,960
do you think that he has like that bad way

598
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,519
to especially if he winds up with the sixers, like

599
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:04,279
those shots that he wants to take or those on

600
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,359
ball reps just aren't going to be available to him.

601
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: And maybe that's why canceling workouts and doesn't want to

602
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,079
go there. I mean, I don't know, I don't know

603
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,200
exactly what he wants. It's from again, this is all

604
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:16,799
Govoni's reporting, So what's his bass on that? And he's

605
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,400
usually good, so he wants to have an easier path

606
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,240
to start him would suggests he's okay with going to

607
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,960
a shitty team and taking thirty shots a game and

608
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,559
playing his own his own game. And so if you

609
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,359
look at the board and you go past Philly, you

610
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,039
get to the Washington's and the Utahs and Brooklyn, and

611
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:37,440
it's like, man, they're going to give him the ball

612
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,000
right away and he gets to play his own game.

613
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,920
So you know, I don't know if he's going to

614
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,880
be able to how like how much he'll evolve and

615
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,599
how comfortable he'll be because going back to high school,

616
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,880
go watch his high school tape, it's wild. He would

617
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,519
he took some of the craziest shots you've ever seen,

618
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,079
like like you know, pulling up from like remember like

619
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,279
LaMelo ball type high school stuff. And it was he

620
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,680
was such a so much more of a skilled player

621
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,240
than anybody else on the team that it was like

622
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,640
it felt it just felt like like middle school basketball

623
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,920
when you have one really good kid and everyone else sucks, right,

624
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,880
and it was just like let that one kids. Let

625
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,440
that one kid just do whatever he wants. That's like

626
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720
what it looked like. And so for him to be

627
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,319
in a new environment again, it he went to Rutgers

628
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:20,880
like he could have gone to a much better school

629
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,160
and had less reps. There's there's a pattern here, and

630
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480
so uh, you know, I'm not I'm not saying he

631
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,079
doesn't have the skill set to do it, but does

632
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,920
he want to do it? Does he actually is he

633
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:34,680
willing to change his role? And uh, and and change

634
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:35,359
his game a little bit.

635
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:35,799
Speaker 4: I don't know.

636
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,319
Speaker 5: Let's go to VJ. Edgecombe, Dan, unless you want anything

637
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:41,759
else with.

638
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,759
Speaker 4: Please, well so yeah, this this, this, this will this

639
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,039
will telegraph it. But this is a question from Dan,

640
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,160
why is Edgecomb not just he's the third best guy

641
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,519
in this class? Like, why is he not regarded that way?

642
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 5: Is it? Is it size? Is it here?

643
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: We are back to self creation stuff? And then is

644
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,400
he someone that like defensively? Obviously the athleticism is there?

645
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Is he someone that you would imagine being just a

646
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:09,119
like potentially Again we're always talking potential. Is it just

647
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,960
a two way guy that is going to bring it

648
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,400
as a disruptor defensively and be someone that can go

649
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,880
on the other end and and get buckets that way?

650
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,079
Speaker 3: He's number three on my board. I mean I again,

651
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,000
there's also a sense I always knew I like you,

652
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,039
And again it's part maybe it's more of a I

653
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,160
value like I know what I'm getting. You know, once

654
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,839
you start to move down the board, even at three,

655
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,759
there's you never want to you always want to make

656
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:35,359
sure you're getting something. And I think that with VJ,

657
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,319
like what he does well will translate. Now the question

658
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,319
is is he going to improve on the weaknesses that

659
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,759
will raise the ceiling. And yeah, like you said, I

660
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,519
think if there's questions about him, he's pretty, he's got

661
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:50,799
his two guard size, and he's not the most creative

662
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,400
player with the ball in his hands. Also, i'd say

663
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,079
if there's a big knock that worries me, there's the

664
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:57,720
two things that worry me is he's not a good

665
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,480
pull up shooter, and he actually was a very poor

666
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,519
finisher on laps despite the fact that he's crazy athletic.

667
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,400
I'm not gonna nippick And if you watch the tape,

668
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,359
like he obviously can pull off crazy finishes and he's

669
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,559
as explosive as it gets in this draft. But to me,

670
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,480
you're getting a guy who is a very good spot

671
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,559
up shooter, and I'm buying again another guy just keeps

672
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,880
getting better. I love that, So I would bet on

673
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,319
him continue to get better as a shot maker. But

674
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,200
right now he's already He made more threes in X

675
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,359
Bailey this year, by the way, and everyone Nace Bailey

676
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,200
was known to be like the super specialist shot maker,

677
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,400
and VJ hit more threes or average at least the

678
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,319
same amount per game. One point six, So I'm confident

679
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:38,799
in the shot making will be fine. And then you

680
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,559
throw in that burst off the dribble, the explosiveness, and

681
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,279
then the defense and a good makes good decisions. He

682
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,480
had a very good assistant turnover issue, averaged over three

683
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,279
assists per game, and that was without these creative handles

684
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:54,000
like he just you know, he doesn't He doesn't make

685
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,799
many unforced errors. And usually guys look like they are

686
00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:59,599
so explosive, will will tap into it too much, right,

687
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:01,799
they'll try into traffic and they'll lose the ball, and

688
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,119
they'll they'll want to dunk on somebody every five minutes.

689
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,839
But he didn't. You know, he has a very good

690
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,759
feel and he's not crazy selfish, and everybody says great

691
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:14,200
things about him. And I'm I'm a Low Island guy,

692
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,880
so I've talked to a lot of people at lou

693
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,640
High where he went to high school, and everybody like

694
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,799
raves about his character. Of course, everybody, by the way,

695
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:22,400
everybody in the draft is high character.

696
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 6: If you didn't know, but but but VJ from what

697
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,880
I've seen, also but really does And like again, you're

698
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,640
getting a definitely a guard, a guy who's going to

699
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,440
guard two to three positions effectively, and somebody's gonna put

700
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,920
pressure on the rim and make good decisions, make open shots,

701
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:40,960
like you just can't go wrong with.

702
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,559
Speaker 3: A player like that.

703
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like everybody freaks out. Maybe I'm projecting

704
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,839
anytime there's a guy who in the class that's like

705
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,680
he's a two and that's that's kind of it. And

706
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,880
then you start talking about his pluses and minuses and

707
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,119
it sounds like ben Ben Macklamore, Like Okay, that's that's

708
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:58,960
not the road we want to go down, because that

709
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:00,559
that was the first name that came to mine as

710
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:01,960
I was just kind of looking at the strings. I

711
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,359
think maybe Macklamore was regarded as a better shooter, but uh, yeah, I.

712
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 5: Want to talk about Jeremiah Fears.

713
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,079
Speaker 4: Sorry Dan to co opt this one, but like he

714
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,240
is so interesting to me, just because one of the

715
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,799
circling back to like, oh, the player types that are

716
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:19,400
in vogue and are not small guards, it's not their moment.

717
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,839
Speaker 5: Right now, other than like Darius Garland.

718
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,359
Speaker 4: And it's just like I think the way the game's

719
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:26,720
played now, it's really hard for a smaller guard, even

720
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,720
if you're super quick to see all the passing angles

721
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:31,200
that you need to be able to see to play

722
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:32,519
the way the game's played now.

723
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: So he's polarizing for that reason and some others.

724
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,799
Speaker 4: Can you give us the snapshot of Fears and then

725
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,680
if it's not too like, kind of tricky to do this,

726
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,880
who is someone that he reminds you of that overcame

727
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,480
the small guard stuff and succeeded. And who's someone where

728
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:49,119
you watch Fears and you're like, oh, he kind of

729
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,079
seems like this small guard that didn't like I don't know, tj.

730
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 5: Ford.

731
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,519
Speaker 4: That's a bad case because he had injuries. But like

732
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,599
I'm doing some deep polls right now, Ben macklamore and

733
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,200
tj uh But who's like, who's someone Fears could be

734
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,160
on the upside and who's someone that you might be

735
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440
concerned about him resembling on the downside.

736
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the one that I've heard and

737
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,200
I don't agree with it, but but like you know,

738
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,799
John Morant was the same type of like explosive ball

739
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,960
handler who wasn't a great shooter. Murran was a better

740
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000
passer actually coming Mario State, Like, passing was such a

741
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880
big part of his game and we don't really talk

742
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,880
about that as much in the NBA, But yeah, I

743
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,119
think that I've I've come to like Dejeante Maray as

744
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,920
his comp is kind of like what the type of

745
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,599
guy I expect who bring the offense and might not

746
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,960
be efficient, you might not play great defense. You know,

747
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,559
somebody who's going to produce. But whether it's whether he's

748
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:46,799
providing plus value, you're you're kind of unsure. I've I've

749
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,480
really I hate to do it because he's really really

750
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:53,200
another high character guy. He's also so young, and I

751
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,759
got to stay. I got to he was working out

752
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,160
in the city for his pre draft, so I got

753
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,720
to see him a lot in private settings and meet him,

754
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,319
and he's gonna like these private workouts, he's gonna blow

755
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:06,880
people away because he's so sharp and explosive, and of

756
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,639
course everybody is such a everybody is Kyle Korver in

757
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,079
an empty gym and he's working out with Mike Miller,

758
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,800
who's got him doing all these like awesome shooting drills,

759
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,280
and like you'd be like, oh, this guy's gonna be

760
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,280
a great. Historically, the guys with high turnover rates and

761
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,880
bad three point shooting who really don't offer off ball value,

762
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,719
it's such an uphill battle and So Scoot Henderson's a

763
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,960
guy I've talked a lot about in terms of comparing

764
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,039
like what his first couple of years are going to

765
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,719
look like. And I guess again, I haven't watched Scoot

766
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,840
really in the NBA. I know he had a better

767
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,360
second year, but still I think based on where everyone

768
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,440
thought Scoot went, everybody loves Scoot because he was like

769
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:50,239
this big, not big, strong, explosive ball handler, and I

770
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,280
think aesthetically it kind of fools people because he's such

771
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,079
a fun the highlights are so like captivating, but it

772
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,760
doesn't necessarily translate to efficient basketball, and he's the guy

773
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,159
that needs to make all the reads and decisions, and

774
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,119
he's not a great shooter, and he turns the ball

775
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,159
over a lot. So I've moved I hate to do it.

776
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,840
I've moved fares down into the teens for myself for

777
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:14,400
my board, and I like him enough where again, I

778
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,079
think he's gonna be a guy who puts up numbers,

779
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:18,320
and if you have him in the right role where

780
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,679
he's not like making all the decisions for your team,

781
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,840
he could be of use. But this idea that and

782
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,360
I know there are scouts out there who think he

783
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000
is a top five pick in this draft. I know

784
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,960
his camp thinks he's a top five pick in this draft,

785
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,119
for sure. They're very confident that he's going early. I don't.

786
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,039
I would let somebody else take him, you know, but

787
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,480
I like him, Like maybe if he's like a coming

788
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:48,079
off the bench or you already have an established playmaker.

789
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:52,400
But yeah, he's got the shot. The range is a problem,

790
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,719
and he makes some crazy decisions. But again, it's tough

791
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,920
because he's so young. He's eighteen, and so he's the

792
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,840
type of guy like if you take him, you got

793
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,280
to accept the fact that he's going to have a

794
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,440
rough couple of first years, right, Like if you're a

795
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,719
point guard and you're not a combo because he's you're

796
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,119
not gonna take him and put him at the two.

797
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,079
He's not gonna guard anybody, and he's not a spot

798
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,000
up shooter like he take him because his one value

799
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:17,079
is putting pressure on the defense, creating advantages. But with

800
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,440
that are going to come sloppy plays, miss missed pull ups.

801
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,679
But yeah, I'm a little bit lower on him than

802
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,119
where I think he's going to go in the draft.

803
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 4: As you're describing, he sounds like Rob Dillingham to me

804
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,639
or from from the little we saw this year in Minnesota.

805
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean I didn't really see him

806
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,719
at all in Minnesota. But going back, like Dillingham was

807
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,159
a guy who they're also very was small, but like

808
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,679
in college, he was very efficient. Like I couldn't he

809
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,360
couldn't believe how efficient he was, especially another guy who's

810
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:51,760
we've seen so much of fears, we didn't see so

811
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,719
much of coming in, like he was not He was

812
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,639
not on draft boards coming into the year. I don't

813
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:58,239
even think people thought him as a point guard, to

814
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,440
be honest, but he like the way he moves with

815
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,280
the ball, just look differently when he got to Oklahoma.

816
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,800
And again he's one of those guys just like eye candy,

817
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,480
like so easy to watch, so fun to watch, but

818
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,719
how is it going to translate in a in a

819
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,199
high usage role. And by the way, he had a

820
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,280
lot of usage in Oklahoma and also a bad team

821
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,199
around him, so the mistakes were understandable. But he's gonna

822
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:24,920
go to the NBA, Like if he's a starting point

823
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,400
guard next year, expect him to shoot a low forty

824
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,159
percent and expect him to like you know, near near

825
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:31,360
the league leading turnovers.

826
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,559
Speaker 1: Another guy if I'm polarizing, and probably because I don't

827
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,400
think I would draft touch him with a ten foot

828
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,360
pole in this draft, is Trey Johnson. I recognize the

829
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,159
self creation, six', six the shop making Ability i've seen

830
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,920
comps To Tyler hero And Anfrey, simon's and from what

831
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,519
admittedly Little i've seen of, HIM i think his net

832
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:52,320
his team would be lucky if he turned into that

833
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,840
level of. Passer and So i'm just, like where are

834
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,320
you sort of at on? Him and is this he's

835
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,199
been mocked a lot in the top five if he's

836
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,639
someone who could maybe slip a little bit just because

837
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:03,159
of those concerns that are attached to his.

838
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,079
Speaker 3: ARCHETYPE i had a team tell me yesterday he's not

839
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:11,159
going to make it outside the top, six and they

840
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:15,719
were picking shortly after, that and they like. Him Trey

841
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,960
johnson is, like to, me, actually what's funny is that

842
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,400
the guy who said to, me WHICH i kind of disagree,

843
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440
with he's, like he's a boom er bust. Guy to,

844
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,599
ME i don't necessarily see. THAT i see a guy who's,

845
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:27,719
LIKE i, know is gonna give me. Bucket he's going

846
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,559
to put the ball in the. BASKET i think the

847
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:34,280
question is is He Cam thomas or is he you,

848
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,480
know like a star level type of two. Guard BUT

849
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:39,639
i think he's good at score in THE nba no matter. What,

850
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:42,920
again another guy who historically a guy with like a

851
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:46,000
very low free throw, rate a very well better better

852
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,320
assist rate Than A's, bailey but he's strugg he didn't

853
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,159
get to the rim much and when he, did he wasn't

854
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,480
a great. Finisher so, again he's gonna rely a lot

855
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:56,840
on shot. Making right, NOW i think he's eleven on my. Board,

856
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,800
AGAIN i value LIKE i know What i'm, Getting LIKE

857
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,280
i Know i'm getting shot. Making i'm also not draft

858
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,440
like WHEN i do big, boards by the, WAY i

859
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:06,119
REALLY i want to say this every, time Like i'm

860
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,800
Not i'm not drafting FOR i should really do thirty

861
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,400
big boards because it depends on Who i'm drafting for

862
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,360
and so and who's around, him because it does affect

863
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,840
his first couple of years in the league and his

864
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,960
role and like how efficient he's going to. Be so

865
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,280
if he goes to the right team where he doesn't

866
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,199
have to be the number one option or number two

867
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,440
option like he was In, texas THEN i think he

868
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,039
could add really nicely complimentary shot making, Value but, YEAH i.

869
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:32,559
DO i do have concerns about the fact that he

870
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,320
does not get to the rim. Much he takes some

871
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,239
really tough. Shots Now i'm not buying. That i'm not

872
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,039
buying the playmaking, Either LIKE i. Don't this is not

873
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:45,000
part of HIS, Dna AND i know he can make

874
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,159
some really nice, passes but that's not enough to the

875
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:51,000
point where it's like you can even call him a

876
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,760
combo guard or put him in ball screen situations to

877
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,559
make reads and set the table like he's he's gonna make,

878
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,360
Money he's gonna earn his minutes because he can make jump.

879
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,159
Shots AND i questioned the ceiling of a guy like,

880
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,119
that BUT i think on the right team he could

881
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:06,559
be pretty.

882
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:11,159
Speaker 4: Valuable speaking of making jump, Shots Conkin, nipple he's gonna

883
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,000
he's gonna shoot.

884
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:15,039
Speaker 5: It do you or the people that you're talking.

885
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 4: To what's the confidence level in some of the all

886
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,440
the other stuff that he was able to do at

887
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,920
the collegiate, level like the floor, mapping the way he

888
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,480
can use his physicality even though he doesn't really get

889
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,760
off the floor very, Much like how how much of an,

890
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,760
issue how much of a concern is the athleticism, issue

891
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,480
and and just like is he going to be a

892
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,239
specialist or is he someone that might have the ball

893
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,159
in his hands and do some other stuff at the next.

894
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,559
Speaker 3: Level he really reminds me Of Cam. JOHNSON i think

895
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:48,079
that's such a fair comp in terms of like ceiling

896
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,360
and what he'll be. Doing he's. Gonna, no he's not

897
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,320
a great. Athlete he's not the sharpest creator with the,

898
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,159
ball but he's such a skilled and like technical shot.

899
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:03,719
Maker he's very. Smart he's useful in pick and roll

900
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,039
situation is not necessarily a, score but to make passing.

901
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,719
Reads and he's good at like changing speeds and just

902
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,519
like just the cliche classic feel for the. Game he

903
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,400
just gets, it like he knows like what to, do

904
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,360
like how fast to, go what steps to. Take you,

905
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,000
KNOW i don't know how high his upside. IS i

906
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,320
talk to somebody yesterday who said they like. Him you,

907
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,760
KNOW i think a lot everybody likes. Him does anybody love?

908
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,920
HIM i Know gavoni has him four and that's also

909
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,360
creating this new storyline that he, is, like you, know

910
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,800
after the big, names the most coveted. GUY i haven't

911
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,880
tugged to anybody that has him that. High but, again

912
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,760
he's such a safe, Bet like he's a safe bet

913
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:51,079
who provides something that every team values and what he brings,

914
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,119
translates so that whole package right, THERE i think makes

915
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:58,320
him at least to, me you, know picking the five

916
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,599
to ten. Range BUT i think the question With nipple

917
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:03,400
is like how high is the? Ceiling you, know how

918
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,159
good can he really be without you know much? Creation

919
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,239
yet he didn't shoot very well off the dribble this.

920
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,440
YEAR i think like maybe thirty two percent on pull

921
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:14,880
ups and it was on pretty low. Volume but going

922
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,719
back to high, school that wasn't a problem for. Him

923
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,360
i'm Not i'm not going to hold that against. Him but,

924
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:21,960
still you, KNOW i Cam johnston me just seems like

925
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,679
a good medium for for where his ceiling. Is how

926
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,159
can how he can? Score he'll give you three and

927
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,480
a half a sis per. Game he's probably, not you,

928
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:31,800
know ideally a top two.

929
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,199
Speaker 1: Options ready to enter the rapid fire portion of the,

930
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,880
Podcast let's Do.

931
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,519
Speaker 2: IT i was wondering if you could.

932
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,519
Speaker 1: Give your overview quickly on some of these, players and

933
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,840
one of, them no. Pressure i'm very obsessed With Colin

934
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,360
Murray boyles.

935
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,159
Speaker 3: Ooh i'm. In i'm a. Fan and by the, way

936
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,159
there's people around THE nba who are not fans who JUST.

937
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: I Think john is that what it?

938
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,599
Speaker 3: IS i, MEAN i think it's just like if you

939
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,039
write down like again on, paper he doesn't make any.

940
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:03,199
Sense he's, uh he's a, small big man who doesn't

941
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:06,519
shoot like like on, paper it doesn't. Work but WHEN

942
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:11,159
i watch him, plays he's so good at creating these

943
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:17,239
angles for. Himself he's, strong he's, Quick he's got instincts

944
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,199
that you can't teach in terms of like how to

945
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,719
again create these like finishing angles with both. Hands he's

946
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,840
very comfortable in the mid. RANGE i think he because

947
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,440
he was so much stronger than everybody else and he

948
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,320
could kind of play. Bullyball in, college he didn't take

949
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,440
a lot of jump shots in the mid, range but

950
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:34,119
watching him at the, COMBINE i think he was like

951
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,960
maybe the number two guy in mid range. Shooting and

952
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000
going back and watching the film of all of his jump,

953
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,920
SHOTS i, mean he looked very comfortable with him fifteen.

954
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,719
FEET i don't know how often you get an open fifteen,

955
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,480
footter but like he's got touched and, no his three

956
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:53,239
ball is not very good right, Now BUT i bet on.

957
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,639
Him he's one of those, guys LIKE i said, before

958
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,239
of like you, know traditionally he doesn't make a lot of,

959
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,039
sense but he's so good at what he, does AND

960
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,679
i think what he does can. Translate and then also

961
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,159
he throws in passing as a side bonus and my

962
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,000
defensive quickness where he can like step out the way

963
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,960
from the. Basket but also because he's so strong two

964
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,480
hundred forty five, pounds he can guard bigs another young

965
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,039
guy for his, class Like i'm. IN i know he's

966
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:18,480
kind of an, outlier but he's somebody.

967
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: Else been On i'm into in case anybody cares the

968
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,000
defense give. Me he just seems LIKE i know That

969
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:27,559
draymond comp gets thrown around a, lot but just from

970
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,239
What i've seen of, him like that's one where It's

971
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,840
i've looked at it and, said all, right LIKE i

972
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,119
don't LIKE i could see it. Happening not maybe not

973
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:37,000
as obviously generational As, draymond but like just the feel

974
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,119
and the reads and the ability to kind of like

975
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,039
col lates with everyone else and tie everything.

976
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: Together it feels like he has.

977
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: That, yeah and it's, like, NO i was gonna, say

978
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,239
he just didn't have like his role was so different

979
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,239
Than South carolina where it's LIKE i would love to

980
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,719
see him next. Year you, KNOW i can't compare him

981
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,239
To draymond right, now but IF i saw him go

982
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,199
to a team where he Had draymond's role and he

983
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,360
wasn't like the guy who had to score twenty points a,

984
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,199
game THEN i could see more of, Like, okay how

985
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,400
does he adapt as you, know a, pastor a guy

986
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,400
who like uses HIS iq you know a.

987
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 4: Lot, YEAH i was just gonna, say, like if you're

988
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,400
looking for a comp that's favorable to a guy with

989
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,000
his frame and skill, set it's.

990
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 5: Like you you don't have a lot of.

991
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: Options you kind of you have to Say draymond and

992
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,719
just like pretend as if like some of the superpowers

993
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,719
he has are part of.

994
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 5: It what About Derek? Queen queen is?

995
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 3: MAN i think like two days, AGO i was, in

996
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,440
YESTERDAY i was. OUT i might be back in. Today

997
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:35,760
like it's, LIKE i feel like such an lack of

998
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,519
professionalism When i'm Scouting queen Because i'm so torn on

999
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,840
WHAT i. See and, again he's a mon verg. Gad

1000
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,840
it's not like he just came out and we've Watched

1001
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,559
Derek queen since he was sixteen years old and watch

1002
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:50,119
him in high. School he's like you'd never you'd never

1003
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,480
think of like a big time pro because he's like this,

1004
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:58,440
heavy slow, footed back to the basket guy who doesn't.

1005
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,679
Shoot so there's like never nobody talked about him as

1006
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,840
a pro, really and then he comes and all of a,

1007
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,360
sudden we're seeing he's so skilled in his footwork and

1008
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,400
what what really got? ME i LOVE i love bigs

1009
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,079
that can face you up and handle AND i didn't

1010
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:13,519
know he really had this part of his. Game but

1011
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:14,960
if you go back and look at all the highlights

1012
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,159
of him this year where he can really handle the

1013
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:19,960
ball and make a move and use you, Know euro

1014
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,639
steps and footwork to get to those spots and then

1015
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,480
finished with body control like The Shan gun comparison is

1016
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,760
obviously a best case, one but they their scouting reports

1017
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,559
are very. Similar shangun's, bigger so that's obviously a you,

1018
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:37,480
know important piece, here but a weaker version Of shangoon

1019
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:40,760
and you know he's not going to be a plus.

1020
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,280
Defender in, fact he's got to go to a team

1021
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,440
that can kind of mask those limitations and hopefully you

1022
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,920
get like a four man who can block shots and

1023
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,440
guys who, are you, know tough around the. Perimeter but,

1024
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,280
OFFENSIVELY i, MEAN i know they say defense wins, championships

1025
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,000
but like offense is a spread is like like a

1026
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:04,480
really good offensive player who doesn't defense is still pretty.

1027
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 2: Valuable don't Tell Nico harrison that loss this this. PLAYER

1028
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,599
i feel LIKE i shouldn't be obsessed.

1029
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: WITH i know you in one of your comparison, pieces

1030
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,800
you had him listed To Josh, giddy which is why

1031
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,360
that should be a red flag for me of all,

1032
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,880
people but Jeg Or, Demon i'm that's another Guy i'm obsessed,

1033
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,280
With LIKE i see more of just like the way

1034
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,679
That Cooper flag plays the game on offense or even

1035
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,119
A Luka doncic THAN i do of like A Josh giddy.

1036
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: Type but where are you sort of at on?

1037
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,559
Speaker 1: Him?

1038
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,519
Speaker 3: YEAH i JUST i have trouble with guys who their

1039
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,280
ball like, you if you take it's it's Like i'm

1040
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,280
not comparing To Ben, simmons BUT i am comparing To Ben,

1041
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,119
simmons and, like if you take, him you got to

1042
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:46,679
give him the, ball, Right he's got to be the

1043
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,880
guy who's handling for. You you don't take yegor demon

1044
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,880
and like put him on the wing and have him

1045
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,559
standing around and like make spot up jump shots or like.

1046
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,400
Cut what he's good at is being a six' nine

1047
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,920
guy who can create and set. THE table i. Love,

1048
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,320
THAT again i always say. Passing translates he's a very,

1049
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,639
good passer and at, six' nine there's no question in

1050
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:08,760
my mind he's going to be a guy who can,

1051
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,400
gets you sevensists eight. Asists or game but there's such

1052
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,639
a difference in terms of, The shot making like, when

1053
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:20,360
he's contested the percentages are, So crazy different like he

1054
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,360
does not shoot well when, he's under duress and he's

1055
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,320
he's not an, off ball guy and he's his turnovers.

1056
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,400
Are so frustrating they're so lazy and so casual. It

1057
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,000
kills me and that's always kind of been part. Of

1058
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,119
his thing like where some people have been hesitant to

1059
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:38,559
jump on the bad wagon is that he just he

1060
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,440
doesn't seem like he's always like mentally locked in because

1061
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,920
he's so naturally talented as a six to. Nine point,

1062
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,639
guard but again for, THE right team i love a

1063
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:50,039
Guy WHO can like i think that that part of

1064
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:54,079
his game carries over whether he adapts and changes and

1065
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:57,239
cuts down on the unforced errors and starts. Making jump,

1066
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,599
shots of course that raises his ceiling. A lot more,

1067
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:05,119
But to me i'd let somebody else TAKE him unless

1068
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,199
i really had unless he was the perfect, fit FOR

1069
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,559
me where i just needed the guy who can, create

1070
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,840
for other, for everyone else and just. Focus on that

1071
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,000
i'm good with him.

1072
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 5: For That role uh duke? Player, number, three uh Well

1073
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,559
who does malowak?

1074
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:19,679
Speaker 4: Remind you Of and And i've, SEEN i've, Seen i

1075
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:21,079
mean i've seen a crazy range of.

1076
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 5: Mocks For him so i'm curious where, YOU'RE at.

1077
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 3: Again, i don't know, like he like we know what

1078
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,119
we're gonna. Get with him he's just there's so many

1079
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,280
guys in that that archetype of just seven seven footers who,

1080
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:40,119
finish and defend and how many guys. IN the league?

1081
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:44,119
I like, that LIKE you eve, mesi Was right eve

1082
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,000
messy went twenty, one, last year right and it kind

1083
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,079
of carried, over right away like can he? Continue to

1084
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:51,679
Can there's no malawatch should be able? To DO? What?

1085
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,519
Eve mesi? Did you know how high? Is the ceiling

1086
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:58,519
like if if he starts hitting threes because he has

1087
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:00,519
shown it before He got the duke, a global academy

1088
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,000
like he did show, flashes to that and of course in,

1089
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:06,519
The workout, setting he's right. He's showing THAT but again

1090
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,159
i watched him in games this year and he didn't do.

1091
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,960
Any of that and when he did have opportunities like

1092
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,440
put the ball on the floor like a little look,

1093
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,880
a LITTLE shaky like I can't PICTURE i just i

1094
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,119
can't picture. HIM doing that i could only picture the

1095
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,559
the catch, and finish, stuff you know the being. A,

1096
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:26,880
lob target again also. LIKE he didn't i get a

1097
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,679
little maybe maybe it's. TO my fault i get a

1098
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:30,679
little crazy WITH numbers and i know he's going back

1099
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,639
and seeing like he didn't block a, Lot of shots

1100
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:33,960
like how does a guy like that with a seven

1101
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,719
to six wings say not block a? Lot of, shots but,

1102
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
yeah he moved, he moves well like the, eye, test

1103
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,719
says yes. The numbers don't but history also says that

1104
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,079
his game should translate to that basic catch and finish

1105
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,320
and protect.

1106
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,639
Speaker 4: The rim roll how would you compare him as a

1107
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:52,599
Prospect To, like derek lively just to use another duke

1108
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:55,239
slash recent center PROSPECT.

1109
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: Similar THAT'S i mean I think THAT i think i

1110
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,679
use him as my As My comp and lively is

1111
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,760
a guy who also, in high school. We're shooting threes not,

1112
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:03,559
all the time but like and if you Will ever

1113
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,039
watch lively warm up in high SCHOOL and and i do,

1114
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,639
practices and stuff he shoots threes and he looks like

1115
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:11,039
he Can make him and that's the. Same with male

1116
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:13,760
watch now does TRANSLATE to the nba or coach is

1117
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,159
gonna be like get out there and, Start launching away

1118
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,840
like probably not at least not in the first, couple

1119
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,400
of years, but UH yeah that's i think THAT'S the.

1120
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,760
Comp i use and it's like, THERE'S you know i

1121
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,039
don't even KNOW in the nba how to separate like

1122
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:29,599
who's had to really distinguished like the tiers of the

1123
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,639
of that archetype of like who's really WHO'S in the

1124
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,880
a one tier of the finisher, shop blocker Archetype who's

1125
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,440
IN but he's i don't know he can he be

1126
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,559
a starting? Center doing that. Yeah he can't but there's

1127
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,239
also so many, Of those guys like every year another,

1128
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,519
one comes around you could probably, pay for him, get

1129
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:48,880
you know pay pretty cheap for them in the. Free

1130
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,039
AGENT market so i do think a team is going

1131
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:56,119
to reach. On, him early also he like another, high

1132
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:59,280
character guy like everybody raves. ABOUT his intangibles i think

1133
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,079
he's like a so he's got a great you know

1134
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:04,599
Story Coming from souse dan and his journey to be

1135
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:06,880
a duke. Center is WILD and but i think he's like,

1136
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,599
a fun. Loving charismatic kid so locker rooms are. Gonna

1137
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:13,639
love him, AND and uh i think he's kind of

1138
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,280
got that contagious like just a lovable.

1139
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: Type of kid this player wasn't on, my initial list

1140
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:21,039
but we actually had a listener urged me to, go

1141
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,320
WATCH him. So I, DID carter bryant i came away

1142
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:26,760
thinking that a highest end outcome would be Like What

1143
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,079
if Herb Jones and trey murphy merged into the.

1144
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:30,159
Speaker 2: Same, human, Being.

1145
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah listen carter bran Has that classic he's just like

1146
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,280
your CLASSIC three. AND d guy. I do again i

1147
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,719
talked to somebody. The other day it was like, he's going,

1148
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,760
lottery you know he's just everyone is like so drawn

1149
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,280
to that big wing shooter who could, defend multiple positions

1150
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,599
and that's. What he does he averaged six points a.

1151
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,519
Game this Year he didn't all he did was kind

1152
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,199
of stand around, and you, know get out you try

1153
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,800
and use his athleticism around the rim and make spot

1154
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,880
up jumpers and, sell himself defensively which he. Did pretty,

1155
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,760
well so that again is. A valued archetype and if,

1156
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,559
THAT'S his floor i guess another selling, point is well

1157
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:14,280
like if this is what we can get, As, a

1158
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,400
freshman like what does he do in the next five

1159
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,360
years in? Terms of development does he add more? Off,

1160
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:24,440
THE dribble again i think people get too too excited

1161
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,119
about THE three and d thing and somebody is going to.

1162
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:30,360
Reach ON him. But, I can't. Again i can't haven't

1163
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,400
seen him. IN high school i just can't picture him

1164
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,679
being like a go to guy. In the, offense you

1165
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,440
know he kind of like, What's His name Caleb, Houston

1166
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:43,440
on orlando like that's it's like the type of guy

1167
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,239
here writs.

1168
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: A little bit less of A player than dan Is

1169
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,039
Describing peak paul george and, you.

1170
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: Know it there's no but there's no but there's no

1171
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,599
like evidence to suggest that he is like a guy

1172
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:58,199
who can give the, ball to him make. Plays and

1173
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,000
reach it's just not part of. His game now if

1174
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,400
it does become part, of, his GAME then LIKE i

1175
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,920
guess i missed that behind, the scenes flashes but from

1176
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,400
gameplay it's just it's not something.

1177
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,199
Speaker 1: He really does this is going to be Coming Out

1178
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:14,199
of coldy williams, Disaster for me Isn't?

1179
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 3: It just wills BUT at Least I know coldy williams

1180
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,480
didn't really have any go To Strength. Like cody williams

1181
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:24,360
like there was like little flashes. In every, department you know,

1182
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,440
you saw versatility but you never saw one thing that you.

1183
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,679
CAN bank on i think you Can with car like

1184
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,679
there's Definitely, safety with carter like his, his physical, tools

1185
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:36,519
his athleticism and his shot making are real and that

1186
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,920
again is a. Very translatable, PACKAGE so. Yeah i Do

1187
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,280
sorry the caleb thing was, A little rough. I think,

1188
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,719
sometimes i mean if you take that was the worst case,

1189
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,119
out of course but somebody's gonna reach ON him. And

1190
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:57,360
i would but also theme, of the day. High character

1191
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,960
kid you got to listen. To him talk he's. Very

1192
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,239
spiritual kid he's very well spoken and LIKE intellectual and

1193
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,480
i really like. Listening TO him SO i think i

1194
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,119
think he's going to be there's a professionalism about him

1195
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:11,199
that's that's going to come off really.

1196
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:14,599
Speaker 5: Well in interviews who's got. The lowest character i'm just gonna.

1197
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,079
Speaker 1: If your worst case outcome is Getting Minutes, over jet

1198
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:20,880
howard that's probably.

1199
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: NOT the worst i guess there.

1200
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: Is work there there are. Lowest lower floors.

1201
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,559
Speaker 5: Uh shiftings, a little.

1202
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: BIT you know i, was gonna say we have lost

1203
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,519
for a. FEW more minutes i, was gonna say do

1204
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:30,559
you want? To take us do you want to take

1205
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:33,079
us through some of those like? Quick, Fire superlatives.

1206
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,159
Speaker 5: Yeah so who, Would, you say oh you? Want TO

1207
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,679
superlatives who's.

1208
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,039
Speaker 2: I could see you want to ask? The other one Ask,

1209
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:40,480
the other.

1210
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,639
Speaker 4: Yeah who do you feel like is the highest variance

1211
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:45,400
player in? The lottery range? And then even and then

1212
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,800
if you want to extend that to even in like,

1213
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,679
the first round it's like you could have you could

1214
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,280
realistically see this guy going, Five or nineteen like that's.

1215
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,119
Speaker 5: A hyperbolic range but who is that guy to? You

1216
00:55:57,199 --> 00:55:58,519
right now you.

1217
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,599
Speaker 3: Mean in draft stock or in terms of like, Ceilings

1218
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:01,480
and floors.

1219
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 4: Let's, say draft stock like WHO Is, The, NBA like

1220
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,360
oh i don't know if he needs to be in

1221
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,199
the green room because this.

1222
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 3: COULD get Ugly, I Think queen derek queen is A

1223
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,840
guy who i think could go like, five or SIX

1224
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:18,039
but then I have, other but, then you know having

1225
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,519
talked to skeptics, around the, league they're LIKE how do

1226
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:23,320
i take a six to nine center who doesn't play? Defense,

1227
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,280
or shoot yeah so queen And so queen queen would.

1228
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,039
Be THE answer but I think if i, had to

1229
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:32,360
bet somebody would take him early because he everybody loves

1230
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:33,480
skill and feel and.

1231
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:36,599
Speaker 2: He's, got that okay do you want to take us

1232
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:37,960
through some? Of? The, superlatives now.

1233
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:40,559
Speaker 5: Yeah LET'S yes. NOW i will i just had to. Get,

1234
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:42,480
that answer uh give me.

1235
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 4: Your three most skilled like pick guy you could put

1236
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,400
the ball in his hands and he's gonna. Run picking

1237
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:48,480
rolls who are the three guys you pick in this

1238
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:49,519
draft to to kind of?

1239
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:53,039
Speaker 3: HEAD that, List I mean dylan harper with the ball

1240
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,199
in his hands. And picking rolls he's so good at

1241
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:58,800
splitting defenses and getting the spots. And getting, downhill you

1242
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,000
know he's not your natural like pick and roll passer

1243
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:05,760
Or Like a, steve nash type but put him like

1244
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,559
if you give him, a ball screen he's going to.

1245
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:10,480
Create an advantage and he's so good at getting to

1246
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:13,360
a spots and kid and finishing. An Amazing finisher so

1247
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:18,800
i'm harper from, a Passing Standpoint like nolan Treori, from

1248
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,119
from france he is a he's a he's a different

1249
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:24,440
type of, ball screen GUARD but like i set the

1250
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,920
table ball, screen guard like he just plays at, his own,

1251
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,760
pace slow down but he's going To find the you

1252
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,719
use his change of speed and stuff to to uh

1253
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,360
to free guys up and then he'll make that pass

1254
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:42,840
that that. SETS everybody up i guess let's give a

1255
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,519
Shout from from illinois another guy who's. REALLY good size

1256
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:49,920
i love again for a, ball SCREEN guard like. I

1257
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,599
love guys you can shoot. Off the dribble that's such

1258
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:54,119
a big that's such a big thing because you always got.

1259
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:56,599
Defenses back pedaling if you could just stop and pop

1260
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:59,239
like you're always going to get. An Uncontested LOOK and

1261
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,559
yas i think is a good shot maker, very different

1262
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:05,360
ways but also a very heady passer and can make

1263
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,320
those classic. Point guard READS and again i Also think

1264
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,000
cin nipple is not going to get as many of

1265
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,880
the ball screens as that ALL the guys. I just mentioned,

1266
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,559
he'll get those, like you know maybe a. Couple of

1267
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,679
game but he reads. Him so well he's so good

1268
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:20,599
at like freeing up the big man and putting in

1269
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:21,719
a position to get, an easy.

1270
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 4: Bucket and then just we're going to run through some,

1271
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,800
skill sets here who's the best room protector? In this

1272
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,320
class and then who else is in that conversation short, list.

1273
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: By numbers, it's it's well not, by NUMBERS technically but

1274
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,519
i guess if you think of. Numbers And age baron

1275
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:41,840
jay from another guy overseas who is just got an

1276
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,960
invite to, the green, room super young like has no

1277
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,000
idea what he's, doing out there but so, he's six'

1278
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:51,519
eleven moves extremely well and just like even without, knowing

1279
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:54,599
what he's doing eight and a half percent block rate

1280
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,639
and he just has like natural shot blocking ability and

1281
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,400
moves really really well away from the basket almost like

1282
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,639
look his switch ability more Than The shot Blocking thomas

1283
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:09,559
sorber from georgetown seven. TO six wings span i don't

1284
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:11,880
know how useful it's going to, be or relatively speaking

1285
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,480
when he's only, six' nine in socks but he. Blocked

1286
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,320
a lot of shots he may created, a lot of defensive.

1287
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:24,079
Events As The Kids say and kalkbrenner ryan colchbrenner also

1288
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:26,159
has always been a very, good PICK and roll defender

1289
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:30,840
and i think he's GOING to, carve out an nba

1290
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,920
career maybe even. If it's as a backup but his.

1291
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,480
Defensive room protection's pretty?

1292
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:39,079
Speaker 4: Good how about Movement Shooters got like your jordan hawkins

1293
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:39,599
is to go.

1294
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 5: Back a couple of years what that's?

1295
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:44,599
Speaker 2: THE name you Went To i think.

1296
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:46,599
Speaker 5: ABOUT jordan hawkins a lot i keep. Waiting, for him TO.

1297
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: Pop yeah How About i mean canipple, ca nipple's an,

1298
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,480
obvious one just like again he's just picture perfect with

1299
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:57,400
the form. And Stuff and the balance kobe, brass probably

1300
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,039
by the numbers the. Best shooter in the draft, he

1301
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:04,280
doesn't do, anything else literally nothing else but, he's such

1302
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,360
a good shooter and. He's sixty six a socks and

1303
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:10,440
if there's anyone that has a Chance To, be like

1304
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,800
A duncan robinson IT'S it's cod, and uh i mean

1305
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,679
listen we we Said Some, negative things about trey johnson

1306
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:22,960
but he is another very fundamentally. Sound shooter off off

1307
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:24,679
movement you?

1308
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: Want?

1309
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 5: To take him down.

1310
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah so who who is the best like odd? Ball

1311
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,800
defender in your book and anyone else that would you'll

1312
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,239
fall into?

1313
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: THAT same CATEGORY. For you.

1314
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: I mean vj. VJ'S quickness IS so crazy i mean

1315
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:40,559
i would hate. To be, guarded by him you know

1316
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:42,239
he makes, some mistakes here and there but like he

1317
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,320
has the chance to be a especially, If HE'S guarding

1318
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:48,400
point guards like i would put. HIM on, a point

1319
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,639
guard i mean he's just gonna. Be, So Hard to

1320
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:56,159
shake yeah maray boyle's is very interesting just because of the,

1321
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,159
body type and the feet like. That combination is pretty

1322
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:01,679
rare like we Talked him OUT with The draymond and

1323
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,360
i think cooper. Could be very tough too cooper is

1324
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:09,039
he's like one of those like crazy intense guys where

1325
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:11,320
it's like if he if it's, the end of the.

1326
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,000
Game HE'S gonna lock in like i wouldn't Want to

1327
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:17,960
Be guarded by, cooper, flag, he is big, quick physical

1328
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,119
it's crazy intense like one of those guys who's probably

1329
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,400
like salivating and got. LIKE red in his eyes i

1330
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,199
wouldn't want. To be guarded by him let's Give A

1331
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:29,559
shout out to hugh gonzales because we. Probably Won't talk

1332
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:33,480
about him Hugh Gonzales. From, playing with real madrid also

1333
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:36,039
it was always been since. He was a, younger kid

1334
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,719
by the, way is still the kid but very good

1335
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,559
combination of. Physical tools and defensive intensity.

1336
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: And are there.

1337
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: Any, specific couple of names however many names you, want

1338
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,679
to through out there whether they're going to, be end

1339
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:51,239
of first, round in the, second round or maybe undrafted

1340
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,519
just gems that we should keep.

1341
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:52,599
Speaker 3: An.

1342
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: EYE on Moving Forward.

1343
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,039
Speaker 3: Yeah I, like kobe sanders from nevada who not many people.

1344
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,079
Talked about throughout the year he was my my first.

1345
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,039
Tweet of the whole season it was it WAS like

1346
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:07,159
a guy who. I didn't really know Before it, was

1347
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:10,519
a cal poly transfer and he played this game His

1348
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,519
first game in the vada he scored twenty nine, POINTS

1349
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:14,199
and he, was like i was like who? The hell

1350
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,119
is this kid and then he Became The best player

1351
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:22,039
at portsmouth invitational and then he SUSPICIOUSLY. Didn't play at

1352
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,760
the nba. He skipped the elite Camp usually you go

1353
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,920
from portsmouth and you getting him.

1354
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,079
Speaker 1: By to.

1355
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 3: A elite camp that's great if you're, really good at

1356
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,480
league CAMP you. Go to the nba combine BUT He

1357
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:32,079
went straight to nba combine and then. Didn't PLAY from an.

1358
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:34,000
INJURY so i don't know i. Wonder if he heard

1359
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,400
something but he's a six to nine six' nine guy,

1360
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,840
who averaged like eighteen a, game four and a half.

1361
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,800
Assists shot them three PRETTY well and as somebody who

1362
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,280
i think was just. Like Totally, overlooked throughout the year

1363
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:51,360
javon small a little tough point guard, who's gonna go mid,

1364
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,079
second round probably good at everything who's probably. Just Overlooked

1365
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:59,440
Because of His size and amari williams from kentucky is

1366
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:04,199
a seven footer who is a very very good passer and. Somebody,

1367
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:08,119
Who will initiate fast breaks offensively he's probably not going

1368
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,079
to ever score, more than ten, points a game but,

1369
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,280
you know good. Seven foot athletic, he'll finish, plays he'll

1370
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,199
be like you Know, Kind of like like early heartenstein

1371
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:19,760
like that's kind of where reminded he was like a

1372
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,119
guy who can like, at the top of, the, key who,

1373
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:25,199
like you, know pass you know, fine cutters facilitate a

1374
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:28,679
little bit and bring. You That Bring some defensive toughness

1375
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:30,599
SO amari Williams is a guy i think i'm, higher

1376
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:30,840
on the.

1377
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,719
Speaker 4: Most most important most important, question i'll ask for Selfish

1378
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,440
Purposes who is this year's quinton Post and where?

1379
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: How?

1380
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,039
Speaker 5: Can the warriors, acquire Him.

1381
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,159
Speaker 3: Yeah maxim right now from stanford that's, Your, answer in.

1382
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:44,239
Speaker 5: The backyard perfect.

1383
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: YEAH he's uh seven to one i don't know if

1384
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,239
the inside, the ARC game translates as well but i

1385
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:55,440
feel like he can kind of adapt a little bit and.

1386
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,880
Become a stretch five he was he have his twenty

1387
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,199
ten and sixty seven threes this. And made sixty seven

1388
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:03,639
threes here there's only two guys that have ever done

1389
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:06,159
that have averaged twenty, Ten AND made, OVER fifty threes

1390
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:10,760
So i know i think he's he was the star

1391
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,880
of the combine moved, him into the first round conversation

1392
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,119
although he didn't get. An ENVIT to the green room,

1393
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:19,199
but i think, between his size his shot making and

1394
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,840
he's a skilled enough player to compensate for the, fact

1395
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,400
that it's not very explosive. Suggests he can.

1396
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: Play that role, Sounds, very familiar our final question nat

1397
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:33,239
is you're, DOING this, gauntlet of podcast. Appearances tv appearances

1398
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,000
the whole nine what, is something about this, draft class,

1399
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,199
whether it's a theme a player just anything that you

1400
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:39,639
wish people asked you about that you.

1401
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: Don't? Get to talk enough about hmm is it who the?

1402
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,719
Nick Should take at number fifty because i'll sit, Here,

1403
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:48,000
for thirty. Minutes, AND listen.

1404
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,039
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true no i mean that's there's a lot

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01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:56,320
of teams. With like multiple first, round picks i'm always,

1406
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,239
fascinated with like what you know, teams with most first

1407
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,320
round picks, how often they talk about packaging packaging them

1408
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,039
and all the different like situations and kind of like

1409
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,199
just the. Idea of LIKE what goes on not that

1410
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,199
i REALLY have the best answer because, i don't work

1411
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:14,719
for a team but like what are these teams. ALL

1412
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,199
talking ABOUT behind THE scenes i mean i think i

1413
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:19,920
have just over the years have a. Decent idea of

1414
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,320
what goes on and they got To make some type

1415
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,320
of like netflix reality show on this of like what

1416
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,440
the draft process is like, Behind the scenes, FOR a

1417
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,719
team and you know i think they do. THE player

1418
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,400
coms thing they do i, know they do things like

1419
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,800
okay like like put everybody, in, your room and it's

1420
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,119
like okay the fourth pick was just traded and Somebody

1421
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:43,519
Moved up to, Take, like derek queen of four like

1422
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,079
how do we? Ract we have the fifth? Pick what,

1423
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,480
do we do now you know like all these hypothetical

1424
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:52,519
situations like almost like the scouts are like trainees learning

1425
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,320
like a, new craft and like you. KNOW lifeguards and

1426
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,159
like these situations i always. Think that's, such a cool

1427
01:05:57,199 --> 01:06:01,960
thing but yeah wish it was more accessible for us

1428
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,159
to see like, what GOES on behind the scenes and

1429
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:07,719
i always try and get a. Look from behind, the

1430
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:11,920
closed door but but yeah it's just like what can

1431
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,000
we what can we do with what are? The different

1432
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:15,679
things we can do how can? We be creative in

1433
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:18,119
this draft and not just like wait? For whoever the

1434
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:19,840
best player availoped it is? Like how can we move

1435
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,880
up what? Are the offers we can make. Stuff, like

1436
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:22,880
that Always fascinates me.

1437
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:25,599
Speaker 4: Yeah well the Kings, Did THAT when they picked nickstauskas

1438
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:26,480
so i think that's why you're.

1439
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,719
Speaker 5: Never going To see it again.

1440
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,159
Speaker 1: Didn't the hornets Do That last, Year with t john

1441
01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:33,480
salon too so that might be more.

1442
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: Evidence, that we're not gonna leave yeah things aren't.

1443
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 3: Working, out when you do that yeah that was.

1444
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: That was not a good, picks, could, you tell our

1445
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:44,480
listeners subscribers watchers whatever where they can find you and all.

1446
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: The, FANTASTIC Work That, You.

1447
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 3: Do yeah Nba Draft, boss Twitter or except bleacher report

1448
01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:55,679
And i'm doing some stuff On I've. Got To help

1449
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:59,400
out seth davis seth davis. Started a new a new project.

1450
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:01,639
He's trying to get it going i'm. Helping him out

1451
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:03,880
Some content there BUT NEXT week i'll Be On, nba

1452
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:10,119
tv a lot tuesday wednesday and Then We'll be live

1453
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:14,840
on the bleach. Report app for for both rounds so that. Should, That,

1454
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:15,440
you cover.

1455
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,639
Speaker 5: Next week awesome well thanks.

1456
01:07:17,639 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 4: For thanks for doing this again you are officially. Unofficially,

1457
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,079
roped into this every year. Sorry, you don't have. A

1458
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:27,719
CHOICE everybody please FOLLOW us he's i kind of i

1459
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,000
cram for the draft by just checking out your mocks

1460
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,760
and like seeing what how they've, changed OVER the weeks

1461
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,159
and months and. I find it very very useful, So

1462
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,360
thanks for, Doing this everybody Thanks For listening thanks.

1463
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 5: For watching rate.

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01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,519
Speaker 4: Review Sub Tribe all, That Stuff shouts frank milotin apologies

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