1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,039 your support. Let me go back to the phones here 10 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:36,600 and talk with Kirk. He has called in regarding Shawn's 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,119 call which occurred in the last hour, where Sean was 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,520 raising the issue of tariffs in the USMCA deal that 13 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:47,039 was done back in twenty twenty and Kirk has been 14 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:48,439 holding for a very long time. 15 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:50,399 Speaker 2: Hello Kirk, welcome to the show. 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Pete. How you doing. 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm good. What's going on? 18 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:57,479 Speaker 3: Oh? Your whole time was thirty six minutes? 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: No big deal, fair, that was your whole time. 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: It's your show. But anyway, one of the things that 21 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:15,319 I listened to with the first gentleman was all these 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:20,239 people that are going to be relieved of government. Do 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,040 you remember that Bill Clinton put down three hundred and 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,760 seventy seven thousand people. 25 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: Well, he didn't put them down. There was no mass murdering. 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,640 I mean, I know it's the Clintons and all, but 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,079 there was there was no there was no He didn't 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:36,799 put them down. 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: You're right, but he did. He let him go, right, 30 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:40,239 he did. 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:46,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, he could have been better. And when he talked 32 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:52,840 about the crisis line, that's not government. We have people 33 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:55,840 that go there and use it. That's not government. That 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,079 was actually on the outside, on the Sivilian sector side. 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,640 And I don't think people know that. The one that 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,280 was supposed to be government and it actually came through 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,479 the VA was the nine eight eight, and we had 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,159 in the first call that I knew of that went 39 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:19,159 through there, we couldn't find an operator that spoke English. 40 00:02:19,319 --> 00:02:23,000 They put the guy on hold four times. And the 41 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:25,159 only reason I know about it is because a friend 42 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:27,039 of mine called and said, who we supposed to call? 43 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:29,319 I've got a guy and I don't want the cops 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,680 out here because they're going to shoot him. When they 45 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:39,039 hung up from all the chaos, he actually called the 46 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,680 sheriff and he said, I have a veteran in crisis. 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,800 This is where we're located. I'm a veteran myself, I 48 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,800 have others here. We have it under control. We just 49 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,080 need to get him to safety. If he didn't have 50 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,479 a veteran with him that knew what was happening, that 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,280 would not have happened. And the thing for people to 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,680 understand is it doesn't matter if you're putting it the 53 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:06,599 government or cutting it in the civilian sector. If you 54 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,240 have to be cut it happens. You don't get to 55 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,039 sit there and tell all these things that we're going 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,639 to lose, because you're not going to lose anything, right. 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always an assumption baked into the argument that's 58 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:26,840 never challenged because it's never articulated, which is that the 59 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,599 jobs are worthy for the government to be doing, like 60 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,199 it is an appropriate thing for government to be doing, 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,960 and that it couldn't be done in any other way 62 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:43,120 except for government, and you just kind of they, just 63 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:47,319 like Sean did, just kind of just jump past those 64 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,479 assumptions and want to make an argument that like, how 65 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,159 dare you you did this terrible thing by firing them, 66 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:59,319 and by starting the conversation there, you're now arguing on 67 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:04,400 their term ters, not on the underlying assumptions that you've 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,879 basically just accepted when you argue on their terms. 69 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,639 Speaker 3: Yes, and I don't understand why. Like, have you ever 70 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:15,919 heard the thing about knowledge is power? 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I may have heard that at some point. 72 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know. 73 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 3: Knowledge is power if the knowledge you have is true 74 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,639 and useful. It's also power if you know how to 75 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,800 use it and get people around you to be educated. 76 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:39,079 Otherwise it doesn't mean anything. You could sit there and 77 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,360 have all kinds of knowledge, but because you don't share it, 78 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:45,399 you don't use it, and you don't spread it, you're 79 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:47,439 kind of more of an idiot than anything. 80 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: So actually I talked a little bit about this concept 81 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,079 of knowledge and this Socratic paradox last week, which is, 82 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,120 you know, nobody really knows anything, but a wise person 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,879 knows that they don't know anything, and that makes them 84 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,800 the wisest because they are the only ones that realize that. 85 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,920 And so, yeah, I mean knowledge and things that people know, 86 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,600 and like in the conversation with Mike at the end 87 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,959 of the last hour, and he sees where I see 88 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,079 gaps in knowledge, and and I know that that I 89 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,839 can't fill that gap in because I literally don't know 90 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,160 what is filling the gap. And so I just kind 91 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,759 of leave that open and accept that I don't know that. 92 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:40,199 And some folks, and I think Mike was doing this 93 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,879 with the Russia, uh and the Ukraine. Issue is that 94 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:49,800 they plug in these these narratives that they have that 95 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,879 they have in their minds, and to them, it explains, 96 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:56,040 it explains for them the gap. But it's also a 97 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,920 little too convenient because you're you're you're plugging the gap. 98 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,079 It's something that you already believe to be true and 99 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,519 thus create a blind spot as to what the outcome 100 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,879 might be. And then you're confused when the outcome is 101 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:14,000 something that you weren't expecting right, because you had you 102 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,680 had an incorrect fundamental assumption. That's why I say, if 103 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,480 you don't understand the thing that you're seeing, reassess your assumptions, right, 104 00:06:20,519 --> 00:06:23,839 re examine those And you know, people who just make 105 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,839 up stuff in order to plug those knowledge gaps are 106 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:30,839 doing themselves a disservice because you're not getting a clear picture. 107 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,639 You're just I mean, look, I get it. It makes 108 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,439 them feel good, right, It'll make you feel good that 109 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,120 you think you know what's going on and you can 110 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,560 explain everything. But that's not that doesn't make it true. 111 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 3: And I wish all your listeners understood what you just said. 112 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:48,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. We have the smartest listeners. Take 113 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,879 you for example, right, all right, Kirk. I appreciate the call, Buddy, 114 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:53,560 good to hear from you. 115 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,519 Speaker 2: All right, yeah, man, you too, all right? 116 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I did not know that the uh that 117 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:04,399 the crisis Assistance Line was done by private sector, third party, 118 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:07,519 but and I don't know if they get government money 119 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,600 government funding to do that sort of thing. 120 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,759 Speaker 2: And this, I mean getting back. 121 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:16,399 Speaker 1: To sort of the approach that the doge dudes are taking. 122 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:20,800 And Elon Musk has said this repeatedly that yes, they 123 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,680 are going to you know, move fast and break things, 124 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:28,639 and they have no power to do anything themselves. They 125 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:34,680 make recommendations to the department leaders, and the departments be 126 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,879 they you know, agency heads or something or secretaries in 127 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,079 the administration, they make those calls. Are they going to 128 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:49,879 make mistakes? Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, they will make mistakes. They 129 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,600 will fire people or close down some shop or operation 130 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:58,279 that was doing you know, legitimate work. And what they 131 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:00,560 have said is that we are going to make mistakes 132 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,839 and when we do, we will fix them as quickly 133 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:04,519 as possible. 134 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: That they will. 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: Then they will turn on a diamond. They will say no, 136 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,920 don't do the open them back up, invite them back in. 137 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,199 But this idea that we have to have this perfection, right, 138 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,920 don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. So 139 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:20,079 if they're doing good things in these different areas, right, 140 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,000 then you're going to you're going to point to the 141 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:26,439 one error or even the ten errors, when you have 142 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:29,079 all of these other things that they have done that 143 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:31,879 are good, and you're going to going to ignore all 144 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:35,799 of that. This is why you don't get anybody defending, right, 145 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:42,519 the transgender comics in Colombia or the transgender surgeries in Guatemala. 146 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: Right. 147 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: That's why you don't hear people come forward and say no, 148 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,039 we have to keep funding these programs. They know what 149 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,919 that looks like, they understand that, and they know it's 150 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,720 a loser of an argument. So they're not going to 151 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:57,519 make those arguments. So they find the crisis hotline, right, 152 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,639 They find that stuff and they hammer away at that 153 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,039 stuff in an effort to get you to shut up 154 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,559 and stop doing what you're doing. DOJ stop it because 155 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,679 they're trying to protect all the other things that they 156 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,639 don't want to argue about. Imagine if the approach were, 157 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:19,440 you know what, let's stop funding the thousand things that 158 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,480 you found and let's stop doing that. We join you 159 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:24,559 in getting rid of that waste and fraud and abuse 160 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:25,159 and whatever. 161 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,279 Speaker 2: We join you in that. 162 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:30,639 Speaker 1: But hey, bring this thing back. It would be a 163 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,639 way different atmosphere than we are seeing right now. All right, 164 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:36,480 if you're listening to this show, you know I try 165 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,279 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 166 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,360 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 167 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:44,639 say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because 168 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:47,320 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 169 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,679 been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and 170 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:53,799 it's a website and it combines news from around the 171 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,480 world in one place so you can compare coverage and 172 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:59,600 verify information. You can check it out at check dot 173 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:03,799 dot news slash Pete. I put the link in the 174 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,039 podcast description too. 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We were 185 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,799 talking about tariffs, and then in the last hour we 186 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:46,399 started that the discussion about tariffs and you know whether 187 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:49,440 or not there's an off ramp to what appears to 188 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:57,480 be the opening salvos of a trade war. So but again, 189 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:01,720 like I caution, give it a minute. I don't good 190 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:04,440 because I can't tell you. I cannot predict for you 191 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:07,240 how this is going to shake out. And a lot 192 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:10,840 of people are offering up their predictions on this stuff, 193 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:14,679 but I don't know if they're any more qualified to 194 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:18,120 make these kinds of predictions than I am. I'm just 195 00:11:19,039 --> 00:11:22,600 I know enough to know that I don't know what 196 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:25,759 the future holds on this stuff, and particularly when it 197 00:11:25,759 --> 00:11:30,679 comes to Donald Trump. I have learned to restrain myself 198 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:37,279 from immediately trying to draw some conclusion about about what 199 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,159 the stories are, what the narratives are, and what the 200 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,759 strategy may be. The Ukraine thing is a perfect example 201 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:48,240 of it. Right the blow up on Friday, and for 202 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,240 forty eight hours we were told that this is all 203 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:53,919 over and oh my gosh, he's doing Putin's bidding and 204 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:57,720 everything else. And now today we get the public statement 205 00:11:57,879 --> 00:12:02,559 from the Ukrainian president that yeah, I'll sign the minerals deal. 206 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:04,960 I want the war to end, which was something that 207 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,039 he was not saying, Like over the weekend, he was 208 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,960 saying stuff like this war is going to last a very, 209 00:12:10,039 --> 00:12:12,360 very very long time, and he was trying to get 210 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,159 European countries to send troops and everything. 211 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: Else, like. 212 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: But just wait a minute, let's just see how it 213 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,039 plays out. And this is what in the last hour 214 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,600 when I was talking with Mike, you know, is it 215 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:30,360 possible that there is some sort of a strategy going 216 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:34,879 on here to negotiate with Putin, who, I would remind 217 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:40,919 everybody was praised by Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, I mean, 218 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,399 Bush had Putin out to the ranch down in Texas. 219 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:49,159 So you know, sometimes as the you know, when you're 220 00:12:49,159 --> 00:12:52,480 trying to negotiate with world leaders that may not be 221 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,919 fantastic people and maybe authoritarians, even if you're trying to 222 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,440 achieve some sort of a great good outcome. Then that 223 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,240 means you have to sit down at a table and 224 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:11,919 talk to them, and you're because otherwise what just kill 225 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:12,960 a bunch of their people? 226 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:14,879 Speaker 2: Like I'm. 227 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,399 Speaker 1: Again, it's one of the more baffling aspects of this thing, 228 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:22,559 that with the Ukraine deal. But then there's the terrifficsue, 229 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,639 uh and this this. 230 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 2: You know, trade wars are not good. 231 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,639 Speaker 1: They're not good, and they could be crippling to an economy. 232 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: Was it the uh? 233 00:13:32,799 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: Was this smooth Hawlly Act in the twenties led to 234 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,559 the Great Depression? 235 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: Not good? 236 00:13:40,799 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: Right? 237 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:45,159 Speaker 1: So I'm concerned, but I'm also willing to give it 238 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,360 some time. Let me see what the play here is, 239 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,440 because yes, it's gonna hurt us, no doubt. It's also 240 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,840 going to hurt the other countries that are involved in 241 00:13:53,879 --> 00:13:56,159 the trade war. And that's sometimes why these things turn 242 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,279 into shooting wars, is because countries get so hurt. 243 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,279 Speaker 2: Let me get to some messages. 244 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:08,279 Speaker 1: This was from good Wahoo, who says, regarding Mike's call 245 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:12,559 in the last hour, that he doesn't care what may 246 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,960 be the truth about Trump's negotiation strategy. He and other 247 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:19,360 leftist Democrats simply don't want Trump to have any success 248 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,399 at anything right now. That is part of the problem 249 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,080 here when you listen to quote analysis of what we 250 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:29,960 just saw in the White House between Zelensky and Trump 251 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,240 and Vance is that people who have ulterior motives will 252 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,679 try to frame the narrative because they benefit. Their incentive 253 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,120 is for Trump to fail. Their incentive is for the 254 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:51,279 economy to tank. Also, regarding the Doge cuts, Good Wahoo 255 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,720 points out that Obama fired everybody appointed under Bush when 256 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,840 he came in, even people on the National Monuments Commission. 257 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,279 Speaker 2: Then there is this. 258 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,799 Speaker 1: From Bob regarding Mike's call. One would think that as 259 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,799 a lawyer, Mike would understand better how to mediate a negotiation. Yeah, 260 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,159 he does. He Mike understands this. That's why I said, 261 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,799 That's why I specifically use those words mediate to be 262 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:22,519 the mediator, because I am certain that Mike understands the 263 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:26,440 role of a mediator. Zelensky put the poop show into 264 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,279 the public domain, Trump and Vance pounded him, which actually 265 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:34,559 establishes a better framework for Putin to strike a deal. Also, 266 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,120 Zelensky can beat his chest and brag to his you know, 267 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:41,720 domestic audience, the Ukrainians, that he stood up to Donald Trump, 268 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:46,440 He's delusional if he thinks victory can be had with 269 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:53,440 the US. Maybe without the US. There and Mike says, 270 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:57,120 the CEO of Chipotle said his company will not pass 271 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,120 the tariff increase on the cost of goods on to 272 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,200 the customers, namely avocados. The company will eat the additional 273 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,279 cost in the form of a reduced profit margin. So, 274 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,000 like you said, tariffs are more complex than a simple 275 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,960 cost increase to all consumers. I doubt that Chipotle CEO 276 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,600 did it out of the kindness of his heart. 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This 307 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,400 is according to Reuters dot com, who I believe got 308 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:19,599 usaid money. Beijing also slapped export and investment curbs on 309 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,759 twenty five US firms on grounds of national security, but 310 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,319 unlike when it retaliated against Trump's first tariffs back on 311 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:34,920 February fourth, this time avoided punishing any household names. So 312 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,880 these are companies that you would not have heard of 313 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:39,559 trying to exist. So, in other words, what does that send? 314 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,160 What does that tell me? That that tells me that 315 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:47,880 it sounds like this is more about a propaganda right. 316 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:53,039 This is like when when America charged a bunch of 317 00:18:54,039 --> 00:18:58,400 guys you've never heard of in Russia for you know, 318 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:04,799 creating farms on Facebook, and you're like. 319 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: Wait, who are these people? What did they do? 320 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: And then they're like, if they ever come into America, 321 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:18,359 We're going to arrest them. So okay, Beijing, well here, 322 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,200 a Foreign Ministry spokesperson told a press conference in Beijing, 323 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:27,319 trying to exert extreme pressure on China is a miscalculation 324 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:31,240 and a mistake, and that China had never succumbed to 325 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,920 bullying or coercion. 326 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: I mean, except with the communism at all. 327 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,759 Speaker 1: But other than that, the latest retaliatory measures come as 328 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:43,519 the extra duty of ten percent US President Donald Trump 329 00:19:43,559 --> 00:19:46,640 threatened for the world's second largest economy took effect today. 330 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:52,319 That makes for a cumulative tariff of twenty percent in 331 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,359 response to what the White House considers Chinese inaction over 332 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:02,720 drug flows. Right, this is all about fentanyl, So, I mean, 333 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,359 this is what the Trump administration keeps saying. Now, people 334 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,559 can choose not to believe that, but this is what 335 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:14,000 Trump keeps saying. This is about It's about fentanyl. Stop 336 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:22,359 flooding our country with this poison China, and China is 337 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,000 responsible for doing so. Right, If they're not sending the 338 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,599 finished product, they're sending the materials to make it, and 339 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,279 they're routing them through Mexico but also through Canada to 340 00:20:35,319 --> 00:20:38,599 a much lesser extent. China has accused the White House, 341 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,839 and that's why both of those countries are also involved. 342 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:46,680 Trump is trying to address the fentinyl opioid crisis. Right Again, 343 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:50,519 you can argue that, you know, drug wars never work. 344 00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:52,799 You could say this isn't the right approach or whatever, 345 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:58,000 but that's what his stated mission here is that's what 346 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:02,519 these tariffs are about. According to the administration, China has 347 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:06,279 accused the White House of blackmail over its tariffs, saying 348 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,559 that it has some of the world's toughest anti drug 349 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:15,119 policies well for its own society, right, I mean, yoh yeah, 350 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,359 don't get me wrong. Like you, if you're dealing with 351 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,799 drugs to Chinese people in China, like they'll murder you. 352 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:24,799 The government will come in and just like line you 353 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,680 up in the street and gun you down, like to 354 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:34,200 be sure. But that doesn't address them exporting the poison 355 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,039 to their geopolitical adversary. 356 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:37,839 Speaker 2: Right. 357 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:44,279 Speaker 1: Also important to keep in mind, commis lie, right, So 358 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,440 communists lie, and so when they say these things, you 359 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,279 should always remember that there's a good probability that they 360 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:53,759 are lying about it. Analysts say Beijing still hopes to 361 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:59,079 negotiate a truce on the tariffs, deliberately setting their tariffs 362 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,359 so as to leave its negotiators room to hash out 363 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,200 a deal, but each escalation reduces the chance of doing so. See, 364 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,200 this is one of the other things Donald Trump, he 365 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,720 calls himself this, and everybody around him says it. He's 366 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:23,000 a deal maker. He makes deals China has caught onto this. 367 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:28,400 I don't know why the Democrats haven't realized this, but 368 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,519 I said it with the Ukraine deal also, it's like 369 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,640 give them space. And we heard from Marco Rubio yesterday. 370 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,200 I played audio and he's like, we need the space 371 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:43,359 to do this. And this constant attack as Trump is 372 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,119 trying to secure a piece in Ukraine, like why won't 373 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,359 you just let him try this approach? Let him try it. 374 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,319 If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, and then you 375 00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:57,759 could just run hogwild with all your attacks on him. 376 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,599 But right now, like wait and see, give it a minute, 377 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,640 maybe it works. China's government is signaling that they do 378 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:12,200 not want to escalate. Said Evan Pei, an agriculture analyst 379 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:16,559 at Trivium China. Quote, it's fair to say we're in 380 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:19,880 the early days of trade war two point zero, saying 381 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,640 that there is still time to avoid a protracted trade 382 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,039 war if Trump and the Chinese president Winnie the Pooh 383 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,559 are able to strike a deal. Okay, wait, he did 384 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:30,880 not say that. I don't want to get the guy 385 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,400 killed by China. It's Jijinping, and Jijiping hates any kind 386 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,960 of comparison. 387 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: That people make of him. To Winnie the Pooh, even 388 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,079 though he does look like Winnie the Pooh. 389 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,599 Speaker 1: China said it would investigate US producers of a type 390 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:50,480 of optical fiber for circumventing anti dumping measures, and they 391 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:55,160 suspended the import licenses of three US exporters, and they 392 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,640 halted China bound shipments of US lumber, which is weird 393 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,640 because I thought we got all of our number for Canada. 394 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,079 Speaker 2: It's very odd. 395 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,279 Speaker 1: The twenty percent tariff will hit several major US consumer 396 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,359 electronic imports from China that had previously escaped untouched, from 397 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,519 smartphones and laptops to video game consoles, smart watches, speakers, 398 00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,720 and Bluetooth devices. Now something else to keep in mind here. 399 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,839 Trump's hand is strengthened in this fight because of the 400 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,000 recent announcements of investments like one hundred billion from TSMC, 401 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,640 five hundred billion from Apple, twenty seven billion from zep Bound, 402 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,440 one hundred billion from SoftBank, twenty billion from Damac or Damac, 403 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:43,640 five hundred billion from Stargates, six hundred billion from Saudi Arabia. Right, so, 404 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,720 if you have all of this new investment that was 405 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:52,759 announced domestic manufacturing coming in, then his hand is strengthened 406 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:56,799 because he can say, well, look, we're importing manufacturing now, 407 00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:58,119 and we're going to be doing all this stuff. We're 408 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,359 going to be, you know, energy and dependent. We're going 409 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,200 to export energy and we're gonna you know, reinvigorate our 410 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,799 industrial base and all of this, so we don't really 411 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:11,599 need all of those imports anymore. Again, you can you 412 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,440 can believe that or not, but that's their argument. You know, 413 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,039 stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, 414 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,519 to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of 415 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:24,880 our past while transcending generations. They help us process the 416 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,359 meaning of life, and our stories are told through images 417 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,200 and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video. 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That's what your photos and videos are. They 428 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,079 are your life told through the eyes of everyone around 429 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:13,359 you and all who came before you, and they will 430 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,720 tell others to come. Who you are visit creative video 431 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,200 dot com. Let's go to the phones and chat with Snake. 432 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,720 Hello Snake, Welcome to the program. 433 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 4: How are you, Andy, good, Pete? How you doing? 434 00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm doing all right. 435 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,279 Speaker 4: I'm I'm just trying to make sure I got these 436 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,839 numbers right. So I looked up and it said we, 437 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,400 like China imports about five hundred million dollars worth of stuff. 438 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,559 So if you say that all that stuff, they can 439 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,640 make it. I'm just making up a number five percent cheaper. 440 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,359 So if it's five percent cheaper, then you can make 441 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,599 it in America. Then that's twenty five billion dollars right, Yeah, 442 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,160 but extra for that stuff, Yeah, go ahead, it's. 443 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,319 Speaker 1: Probably way more than five percent cheaper. I mean, when 444 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,680 you're employing slave labor, for example, you know you can 445 00:26:58,759 --> 00:26:59,920 make that really cheap. 446 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 4: Well, we can make it ten then about I mean, 447 00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:06,799 I don't know how good they are. I mean maybe, right, 448 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,160 you know, I'm not in favor of trade wars, but 449 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,240 it's just you know, and then everything they do isn't 450 00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:15,880 cheaper than us. We do some things better than they do, 451 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,119 but I'm taking the whole extent of it. And so 452 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,160 as if you said ten percent, now you've got me 453 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,720 doing math in my head. But then it's fifty billion dollars, 454 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,960 which is actually an easier number to remember. And then 455 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,279 if you divide fifty billion by thirty five, three hundred 456 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,880 and fifty million people, you get like one hundred and 457 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,960 forty dollars. 458 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: Right right now. 459 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: But then you would have to run that also through 460 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,599 Canada and Mexico and whatever their numbers are. And so 461 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,400 the number I saw was that the direct impact is 462 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,400 like nine hundred and thirty dollars per taxpayer per year. 463 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,559 Things will be more expensive, Like yeah. 464 00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:00,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds like a leftist exact me. 465 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 2: That's all. 466 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: No, that was no, I mean that, I mean those 467 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,319 were the those were the numbers, and I had them 468 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,519 and then I closed it out. But it's uh, those 469 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:12,720 were economists that were doing the projections. So yeah, again, 470 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,480 and like I've seen competing projections from like the Federal 471 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:20,880 Reserve in Atlanta has one set of numbers that they're 472 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,920 looking at and they're like, oh my gosh, this is awful. 473 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,680 And then the the Federal Reserve, I think up in 474 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,680 New York they were like, now the chance of a 475 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,480 recession is like less than a percent so or two 476 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,160 percent something like that. So yeah, the economists they disagree. 477 00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:37,440 And this is just the first day of it. So 478 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,319 we don't know how it shakes out. And again we 479 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:43,359 don't know, you know, what other markets like. For example, 480 00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:48,240 if we are now no longer to export something to China, 481 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:53,240 we may very well find another market in South America someplace, 482 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,039 or in Africa someplace, and so we could end up 483 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,039 exporting it there and there would there there would be 484 00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,759 minimal disruption to that industry. So we don't know how 485 00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:03,359 it all shakes out just yet. 486 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,759 Speaker 4: No, and you never do. I mean, you know, even 487 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:10,160 forensically it's almost impossible. Again, I'm not in favor of 488 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,920 trade wars, right, but you'd think to hear MSNBC tell 489 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,039 it that, you know, the whole country is just going 490 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,119 to melt down over this, and that's just not really. 491 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,519 Speaker 1: True, right, And you know, recognize what the incentives are 492 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:28,519 for that particular network, but also people on the left 493 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:31,799 and also people on the right who make a living 494 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:36,680 and have made their careers in in you know, predicting 495 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,559 this kind of stuff or being you know, free, free 496 00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:42,480 traders and all of that. They have They have an 497 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:49,720 incentive to project the worst case and project the catastrophe right. 498 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:54,960 And whether it's for clicks or engagements online or viewers 499 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,079 or something, or to justify their own life's work, whatever 500 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:01,519 it may be. And I'm not saying that their predictions 501 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,440 are wrong. Their predictions they some of them could turn 502 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,079 out to be true. I don't know, but there are 503 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,880 incentives there for them to be making some of the 504 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,119 predictions they're making, you know. 505 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know they got to sell newspapers. I just 506 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,559 I don't, you know, I just don't trust what the 507 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,799 newspapers say for that reason. But and then the only 508 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:24,640 other thing I'd add, and I know you got to go, 509 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:29,240 but just China's one thing in Canada and Mexico we 510 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,359 need to get along with. I don't know what it takes, 511 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,720 but it shouldn't take this. 512 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing, is like, it's not about 513 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,640 the particular tariffs and the trade policies. This is about 514 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:46,240 securing the border and reducing the flow of fentanyl into America. 515 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: That's what the administration is. 516 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,839 Speaker 1: Saying, and so it's like to me, it's kind of 517 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,960 telling that they don't seem to be interested in stepping 518 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,920 up in those areas to try to, you know, meaningful 519 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:04,559 crack down on this stuff in order to avoid the tariffs. 520 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,480 So that because that's there, instead responding with with tariffs 521 00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:12,039 on our stuff. But the root of it was sentinel 522 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,680 and illegal immigration, so why not help on those fronts 523 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,680 and then the tariff thing goes away. 524 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 4: On the Lago integration immigration thing. I agree, but from 525 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,960 one small l libertarian to another. And I know you well, 526 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,359 you know, when we've got a problem with drugs, we 527 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,119 blame it on somebody else and that's. 528 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,319 Speaker 1: All right, Well you can dump that and that'll be 529 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,559 the end of the program because you can't say that 530 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:39,759 word on the radio. 531 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: All right. 532 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,519 Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 533 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,599 for listening. I could not do the show without your 534 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,400 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 535 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,240 the podcast, So if you'd like, please support them too 536 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:53,960 and tell them you heard it here. 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