WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:12.800 Good evening, everybody, and welcome to another edition of the 2 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:16.280 CA Tonight Live. I am your host, Jacob Mok and 3 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:18.239 uh yeah, we got a couple of things we wanna 4 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.879 we're gonna get into on this evening. Most of it's geopolitical, 5 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.480 as it is. Some of it's more of the environmental 6 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:28.559 side of things, just some unanswered questions of what the 7 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.280 heck is going on in this world. We got some 8 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.320 things going on as far as what Trump has been 9 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:36.799 saying and hinting at. We got some things surrounding China, 10 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.359 what they have been doing and what they are hinting at. 11 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.600 We're gonna be talking Venezuela. We're gonna be talking Russia. 12 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.079 We're gonna be talking Israel. We're gonna be talking Iran. 13 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:46.840 We're all over the place. We are gonna be all 14 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.159 over the place on this episode. And if anybody has 15 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:52.320 anything that they have liked to bring and share with 16 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:54.320 the class, by all means, drop it in the comments 17 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:57.320 and I will pull it up. And for anybody listening 18 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:59.840 to this on the Cult of Conspiracy on the following day, 19 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.039 I might as well just give the shameless plug. Now 20 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.680 if you would like to join in on the conversation 21 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:07.760 next Wednesday Night. We do this every Wednesday night at 22 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.359 nine pm Central Standard Time. Then come check me out 23 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.239 Cajun Night on Patreon. The link is in the description below, 24 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:16.280 and I do this on the Culture Conspiracy, but I'll 25 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.159 do it here too. If you would like to listen 26 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.239 completely commercial form, then please come check it out on 27 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:24.480 the Patreon. That's also where I post all the videos 28 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:27.159 to get the commercial free listening associated with the Cajun 29 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:31.319 Night lives. All right, with all of that mumbo jumbo 30 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:34.480 pish posh things out of the way, let's just dive 31 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.480 straight in. So this article, as a matter of fact, 32 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:40.439 was sent by a Raven Lee and it is tall. 33 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.239 It's a Reuter's article. Now, I know Reuter's is going 34 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:47.480 to be a little a little skewed, a little biased, right, 35 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.200 But at the same time, every now and then they 36 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.760 do have a little bit of a kernel of truth 37 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.120 associated with it that is worth diving into, at least 38 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:57.120 I believe, so Justice Micro quick, so I'm get closer. 39 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:58.920 I'm telling you all, my eyes are getting worse by 40 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.799 the day. I I've actually got to start like moving 41 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:05.519 up to read because you know, all right, so this 42 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.000 is actually from April first. This is on April Fool's Day. 43 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:13.120 I'm a damn China to sell first global green sovereign 44 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:18.240 bond on Wednesday. A global green sovereign bond. I don't 45 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.240 I don't really know what to think of that with China, 46 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.840 they're not exactly known for being a very green country. 47 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.039 But let's check it out here. This is published in 48 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:29.479 London on April first. China is set to finalize it's 49 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.599 long way to debut global green sovereign bond on Wednesday 50 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:34.479 and what is expected to be the first in a 51 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:36.759 series of sales that will expand its footprint in the 52 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:40.319 market as a pivotal time. Having signaled it was ready 53 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:44.080 last month, top Chinese financial ministry officials laid out the 54 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.120 details at a meeting with the investors in London on Tuesday, 55 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:50.120 where the six billion WAND which is about eight hundred 56 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:53.039 and twenty five million dollars bond is set to be 57 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:59.520 issued on the London Stock Exchange. Oh oh, okay, China's 58 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:01.840 trying to break into the London Stock Exchange with a 59 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:06.520 green bond. That's it's bold strategy. But all right, I 60 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.599 could I could see the appeal on it. The green 61 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.639 bond market has ballooned to be worth roughly three trillion 62 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:17.560 dollars in recent years. China's firms, including a state run 63 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.280 once which would be all of them everything in China's 64 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:24.159 state run have contributed significantly to that growth, but international 65 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.520 investors have long been waiting for the government to make 66 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:30.479 its move for years. Chinese Finance Ministries Director General Wu 67 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:35.879 Yong I'm sorry, U Hong jeez yeah, is and his 68 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:43.680 deputy Director General Xi Chao Hong. I'm sorry, I'm not 69 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.039 mature enough to try to pronounce Chinese names without laughing. 70 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.719 Because yep, all right outlined that it would come in 71 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:55.960 two parts, one with a three year maturity or end date, 72 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.759 and the second with a five year maturity. Both will 73 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:00.919 have fixed interest rates and they are expected to be 74 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.800 sub two percent really, although it will depend on demand 75 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.080 during the formal sale process, which is being overseen by 76 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.919 no fewer than eight banks from both China and Europe. Okay, yeah, 77 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:14.120 that sounds more believable. Two percent, I mean, don't even 78 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:18.079 me wrong. That's solid, But I also I feel like 79 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:19.959 that would fluctuate a bit. I'm glad at least they 80 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.680 gave a little addendum to say it will depend on demand, 81 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:28.279 we'll see a Chinese global bond, one issued in one 82 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:32.240 of the main international finance centers. Has long been anticipated 83 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.680 given the country size. China's plan finally emerged earlier this 84 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.079 year after British Finance Minister Rachel Reeves met China's Vice 85 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:45.199 Premier he Liffing in Beijing to discuss pragmatic cooperation quote 86 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:51.079 unquote on financial services, trade, investment, and climate issues. Climate 87 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.879 issues from China Jesus. China is the world's largest producer 88 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:59.800 of climate warming greenhouse gases. Yeah, that's that's kind of 89 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:01.639 the irony that I've been kind of giggling at this 90 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:06.199 whole time. It's no secret that China does not give 91 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.879 two rats asses about the environment or the globe, or 92 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.279 clean air or clean water or feeding their people. I digress. 93 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:15.279 But to say that they're going to come up with 94 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:19.519 a green bond, it's like, hmmm, that the irony here. 95 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:24.800 It just anyway, anyway, like Ethiopia coming out with a 96 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.959 food bond, Like I'm sorry you're doing what But I digress. 97 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.519 China is the largest producer of climate warming greenhouse gases, 98 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.319 but has said it wants to bring its carbon dioxide 99 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.879 emissions to a peak before twenty thirty and become carbon 100 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:46.319 neutral by twenty sixty. Wow, that is quite That is 101 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.079 one of the most claims I've ever heard in thirty years. 102 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:52.519 They want to go from being the number one producer 103 00:05:53.560 --> 00:06:01.000 to being carbon neutral. Oh wow, that's it's a ball strategy, Cotton. 104 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.399 Let's see if it works out for them, monus, But 105 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:07.600 I don't know. In February, the Finance Ministry published it's 106 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.120 Green Bond Framework, calling it an effort to quote attract 107 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:17.639 international funds to support domestic green and low carbon development. Yeah, 108 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.319 so you're trying to take other people's money to make 109 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:26.879 you more environmentally friendly, because everybody knows that what solves 110 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.639 global warming is money. Obviously, what cleaned up the plastic 111 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:37.920 from the oceans. Giving money to wealthy financiers obviously to 112 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:43.399 read a book right. It flagged climate change mitigation, climate 113 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:48.920 change adaptation, natural resource conservation, pollution prevention and control, and 114 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:54.279 biodiversity conservation as its five key priorities. I'll bet it did. 115 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:56.920 One investor who attended Tuesday's meeting said some of the 116 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.920 details on what exactly the money raised would be useful 117 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.959 included the country's electric vehicle charging network and its national parks. 118 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:11.279 Yep again, because I know, depending on what media outlet 119 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:15.879 we're looking at, oh Man electric cars totally cut down 120 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.720 on the carbon emissions, never mind what the manufacturing facilities 121 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:22.079 for those batteries does to the environment, which is what 122 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.560 this whole thing is actually about. You know, macro, not 123 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:30.480 the micro but sure, that's that's a whole thing. Uh Raven, 124 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.199 I see your hand raise, please chime in. 125 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.040 So apparently there was on I don't know if it's 126 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:42.120 that actual website. There's another website talking about China's electrical 127 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:46.560 like electric car sales have like quadrupled in the last 128 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:51.199 two months for some reason. And there I mean during COVID. 129 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:53.360 They're the ones that decided that they were going to 130 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:59.040 make make their nuclear energy push, and so they really 131 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.399 wanted to gain nuclear energy. They are also the ones 132 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:04.560 that leading the charge right now in fusion, like they 133 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.680 have actually stabilized it the longest because they wanted to 134 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:11.759 break apart from everybody because like fuck everybody else. But 135 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:14.199 that also means that they've kind of ostracized themselves when 136 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:16.240 it comes to the green push, and with a lot 137 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:18.839 of the money being up for grabs right now with 138 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.519 the green stuff. And with America is stepping away from NATO, 139 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.480 then that means that if they keep pushing forward, then 140 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.439 they'll be able to gain quote unquote more funds to 141 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:29.360 be more green. 142 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:36.279 Now not considered green? What is nuclear not considered green? 143 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:38.120 No? 144 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:39.440 Not really? 145 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:42.919 It is like the cleanest and planet. How is that 146 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:43.840 not considered green? 147 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:51.240 The green ones are solar, which is ridiculous, wind and rious. Yeah, 148 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:56.039 and I think that the newest version of water is 149 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.480 maybe potentially. But the thing about the I mean with 150 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.879 anybody that knows anything about solar and wind like you're 151 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:06.480 talking about, they have braveyards of parts because they can 152 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:07.480 never be disposed of. 153 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:09.840 They're so chemically toxic that like. 154 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.960 You're just making more waste than you're doing any good. 155 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:17.000 And it doesn't even generate that much power compared to nuclear, 156 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.919 nuclear by far is the safest type of energy that 157 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:23.679 we currently have. Obviously, fusion if it happens one day, 158 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:25.600 dot dot dot can power the whole world. 159 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.679 But that's a one day thing. 160 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:33.519 So I still understand how nuclear is not considered green. Like, yes, 161 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.200 there is waste at a certain point, right the depleted 162 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.039 uranium has to be disposed of in some way, But 163 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:47.000 we're talking about like realistically big picture here, micro and macro. Honestly, 164 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:53.000 we're talking about pounds, not tons, pounds of depleted uranium 165 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.600 to be disposed of which we put in ammunition to 166 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.559 be shot out of the A ten and like we 167 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.440 have a thing for that. It's all good. That's like 168 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:04.200 the only waste in byproduct that really comes out of 169 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:08.120 that other than steam. But how is this not considered green? 170 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:11.720 This is kind of new to me. I honestly thought 171 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:15.360 nuclear was within the conversation of green energy. That's okay, 172 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.080 fair enough. So that's the end of that article. So 173 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.559 if I and maybe I'm excuse me, maybe I'm missing 174 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:26.600 the overarching theme here, but it sounds like China is 175 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:32.480 trying to fund their new electric everything from outside international funding, 176 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:34.759 and the way they're gonna do that is to try 177 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:38.960 to sell it with a green bond and that's gonna 178 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.919 attract international investors. Sounds like they're just gonna take the 179 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.480 money and run. I could be very very incorrect here, 180 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.639 but boy oh boy, that's what that sounds like to me. 181 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:54.240 But okay, well that is story number one. If anybody 182 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:56.320 would like to chime in on that, then bio means 183 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:01.960 let's talk about it, Tony, you got anything, you go? 184 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:03.360 U mute to yourself. I know if you're about to 185 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:03.919 chime in or not. 186 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:08.159 Well, I was just looking up nuclear power in China 187 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.399 and it says only about five percent of their electricity 188 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.320 comes from nuclear energy, but I think they're planning on 189 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:19.639 increasing it, and they're even building an attempt at a 190 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:23.360 fusion nuclear power plant by twenty thirty, which would be 191 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.480 I don't think any of these exist yet, but these 192 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.320 are the kind that confuse hydrogen, which is way more 193 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:33.679 efficient than fission. And I got a whole article fear 194 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.600 about it. But you know, the sum total of it 195 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:40.960 is that they really want to make fusion and more 196 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.840 nuclear power, and I would agree that it is very green, 197 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.840 especially compared to coal, which they've been using a lot of. 198 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:50.759 Yeah, China's been running off of coal for forever. Well, 199 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:52.440 I mean, yeah, they got some oil too, and I'm 200 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.279 sure they use some LNG for certain things, but by 201 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.399 and large, I would say coal would be their bread 202 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:00.240 and butter as far as energy production goes. The cool 203 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:01.679 that you sent in the chat, is that what you're 204 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:02.879 talking about that you had pulled up? 205 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:05.879 Yeah? I got it pulled up I can even read 206 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:06.480 it if you want. 207 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.240 Oh, go for I got to pull up on screen, 208 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:09.679 but by all means, brother, if you want to read 209 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:10.600 floor yours. 210 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.679 China is poised to start building the world's first fusion 211 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:17.279 power hybrid nuclear power plant, with the goal of generating 212 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:20.840 one hundred megawatts of contiguous electricity and connecting to the 213 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.720 greed the grid by the end of the decade. The 214 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.440 Hong Kong based South China Morning Post, which by the way, 215 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:32.000 is very pro Beijing and kind of anti us, but sure, 216 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:38.080 that's my editorial, he says. The project is to cost 217 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.879 twenty billion yuan, which is two point seven billion dollars. 218 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.639 And you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop here because 219 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.000 the article is just too long. But I think I 220 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:50.159 captured the gist of it. 221 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.960 Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. It's it's wonderful 222 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.360 that any country anyone. Yes, I want America to be 223 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:04.039 first to make a fusion fission hybrid nuclear power plant, absolutely, 224 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:06.200 but honestly, even if China does it, that's still a 225 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.480 net positive. We will be able to reverse engineer that 226 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.399 on our own or even maybe work with them in 227 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:13.759 some way, maybe buy the blueprints. Though a little money 228 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.279 their way. I'm sure that you know the CCP is 229 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.039 down to take a little extra to open open the 230 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:23.960 books a bit. But uh, but yeah, so they're talking. 231 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.440 I didn't know that the exchange rate was twenty billion 232 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.480 to two point seven billion dollars, so it's like a 233 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:32.320 ten to one exchange rate. I didn't know that, well, 234 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.320 a little less than but yeah, that's that's pretty remarkable 235 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:40.120 as well. I could understand why. But still but uh, yeah, actually, 236 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:41.679 I'm gonna read a little bit more on this article 237 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:42.360 just for a second. 238 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:42.519 Here. 239 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:46.080 It uh, it says the Wing Shoot, the high temperature 240 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.879 er superconducting reactor, has entered its first phase with a 241 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:53.519 public tender for an environmental impact assessment. According to the website, 242 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:58.759 a platform that aggregates bidding and procurement information in China. Interesting. 243 00:13:59.240 --> 00:13:59.320 Uh. 244 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:03.320 The facility will be built on Wohu Science Island in 245 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.759 the high Tech zone of Nanchang Jang z Province, Okay 246 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:10.919 in central China. According to the tender, the environmental report 247 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:15.440 will include baseline studies, impact evaluations on airwater noise ecology, 248 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:23.360 as well as risk analysis, pollution control measures and monitoring plans. Hm. 249 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:27.720 I'm a little trepidacious though. Honestly the reason why, and 250 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:30.679 I know when I say this, I am not intending 251 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:34.360 to offend anybody of Japan. I understand that Japan and 252 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.960 China are very different countries with very different cultures and 253 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:38.440 all the stuff. I get it. I'm not trying to 254 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:40.360 make a South Park episode out of this. Just hear 255 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:48.559 me out. The Fukushima incident is still putting currently radioactive 256 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:53.679 waste into the ocean, like, that's still happening, and Japan 257 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:56.480 has They're the ones that literally wrote the book on 258 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:00.879 QA and QC right, quality assurance and quality control. Quite literally. Actually, 259 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:02.480 when I was in college, we did a whole class 260 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.559 on it, and all of the big dogs as far 261 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:10.639 as QAQC was concerned, were Japanese and they let that slip. 262 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:14.600 And it's still to that level of bad. If China 263 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:19.240 had this nuclear reactor and something went a little fukunushi 264 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.440 with it, right, someone went a little fugezy and it 265 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:28.279 goes sideways, I can't imagine China doing all that would 266 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.919 be needed to stop it from damaging the planet even worse. 267 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:34.960 Maybe I'm just a bit of a pessimist and I 268 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:38.000 just have all of the distrust possible when it comes 269 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:41.799 to the CCP. But I just m that's a tough 270 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.039 pill for me to swallow. Raven, I see your hand 271 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:44.759 raise go ahead. 272 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.519 Oh, I was just gonna say that I dropped an 273 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.559 article from green Peace saying, well, my nuclear wasn't considered 274 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:59.320 green underneath Tony's. But the whole thing about there's actually 275 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:03.240 the really cool YouTube videos on like the Race for 276 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.600 Fusion and like where like the progresses and it breaks 277 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.440 it down like kind of like what's going on with 278 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.000 it and how it is and stuff. 279 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:12.080 China is. 280 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.639 I think they're right now at like almost eleven seconds 281 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:20.039 holding it stable. And that's a huge thing because once 282 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.960 that actually stabilizes, then it will power the entire universe. 283 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.960 And so that's why everyone is trying to universe, excuse me, 284 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.720 the Earth. That's why everyone's trying to monopolize on it 285 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.759 is because whoever can get it is going to be 286 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:37.240 in control of all power period. And so that is 287 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.279 the huge push because everybody else is going joined up 288 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:43.120 together and then China is all by themselves, so like 289 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:45.440 everybody is in one boat and then here's China. 290 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.200 So that's why it's a big issue with that. 291 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:50.519 So it's the same as any other thing in this 292 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.279 current modern day Cold war. It's a race, right, just 293 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.919 like the AI race and the data race between China 294 00:16:55.919 --> 00:17:01.039 and US. So the nuclear fusion slash fission high conversation, 295 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:04.160 it's a race between US and China because whoever gets 296 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.960 it first will dominated in that regard. That makes a 297 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.759 lot of sense to me. Actually, Okay, I'm actually gonna 298 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.920 read this article because I've I'm very curious what the 299 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:16.559 green peak of all of all the sources, Of all 300 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.799 the sources, they would be the one to just shit 301 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:23.839 all over nuclear one hundred percent. So six reasons why 302 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.519 nuclear energy is not to a green and peace is 303 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:30.400 not the way to a green and peaceful world. Okay, 304 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:36.799 let's go Number one, Nuclear energy delivers too little to matter. Wow, 305 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:41.839 well that's incorrect, but all right. In order to tackle 306 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.640 climate change, we need to reduce fossil fuels in the 307 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:49.839 total energy mix well before twenty fifty to zero percent yep. 308 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:54.079 According to the scenarios from the World Nuclear Association and 309 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:58.680 the Nuclear Energy Agency, doubling the capacity of nuclear power 310 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:02.680 worldwide in twenty fifth would only decrease greenhouse gas emissions 311 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:06.000 by around four percent. In order to do that the 312 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:10.559 world would need to bring thirty seven new large nuclear 313 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.119 reactors to the grid every year from now year on 314 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:18.519 year until twenty fifty. The last decade only showed a 315 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.279 few to ten new grid connections per year. Ramping that 316 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.319 up to thirty seven is physically impossible. There is not 317 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:30.799 sufficient capacity to make large foragings like reactor vessels. There 318 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.720 are currently only fifty seven new reactors under construction or 319 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.200 planned for the coming one and a half decade. Doubling 320 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:42.359 nuclear capacity different from the explosive growth of clean renewable 321 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:47.000 energy sources like solar and went wow, is therefore unrealistic 322 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.720 And that only and that for only four percent we 323 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:55.880 already need to reduce one hundred Okay, yep, I knew 324 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:59.400 that this article is gonna be overly biased. I going wrong. 325 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:04.200 I knew that going into it. But they legitimately just 326 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:10.119 said that nuclear is not as effective as the explosive 327 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:15.200 growth of clean renewable sources like solar and wind. They 328 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:17.920 just said that like it was the legitimate statement and 329 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.200 not dripping with lie and deceit. But okay, okay, so 330 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.440 number one, it's not effective enough to be considered green. 331 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:30.039 But somehow wind turbines are but I Digress number two. 332 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.559 Nuclear power plants are dangerous and vulnerable. Nuclear factories and 333 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:38.039 plants are easy targets for malevolent acts, terrorist threats, the 334 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:42.519 risk of unintentional or voluntary airline crashes, cyber attacks, or 335 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:46.240 acts of war. The enclosures of plants and certain ancillary 336 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:49.960 buildings containing radioactive materials are not designed to withstand this 337 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.599 type of attack or shock. Nuclear power plants present unique 338 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:57.000 hazards in terms of the potential consequence resulting from from 339 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.839 a severe accident. Nuclear reactors and their association high level 340 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.640 spent fuel stores are vulnerable to natural disasters, as the 341 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:09.480 Fukushima Dachi showed, but they are also vulnerable in times 342 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.079 of military conflict. For the first time in history, a 343 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.359 major war is being waged in a country with multiple 344 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:18.359 nuclear reactors and thousands of tons of highly radioactive spent fuel. 345 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.559 The war in southern Ukraine and Zaparigia around Zaparisia rather 346 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:25.880 puts them all at heightened risk of a severe accident. 347 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.200 Nuclear power plants are some of the most complex and 348 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.680 sensitive industrial installations, which require a very complex set of 349 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:35.119 resources in ready state all at all times to keep 350 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:38.839 them operational. This cannot be guaranteed in a war. Okay. 351 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.039 So I don't know if anybody listening has worked in 352 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:49.079 a nuke before, a nuclear plant. Okay, I've worked around 353 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:52.359 them before, and I have a ton of buddies that 354 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.480 have helped build nuclear plants and sites and things. Boy 355 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:01.799 oh boy, the incorrect statement that was said up here. 356 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:05.680 I'm not saying that they are not vulnerable to terrorist attacks. 357 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:09.519 What I am saying is the security forces and security 358 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:14.319 guards that they have surrounding nuclear sites are not Paul 359 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.400 Blart mall cop Okay, these guys are like a legitimate 360 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.799 swat team that are standing by waiting for some stupid 361 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.240 shit to go off on the side of the fence. Okay, 362 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:28.599 just throwing that out. Number one. Number two cyber attacks, 363 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.519 You got me there. Sure there's everything's hackable, and I 364 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:35.440 can at least understand that. But it's not like you're 365 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:37.279 gonna be able to hack into this thing to make 366 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.200 it go into a catastrophic meltdown. Because there's so many, 367 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.039 at least in the United States, I cannot speak on 368 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:46.039 behalf of other countries and their way of doing things. 369 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.160 And yes, I understand people are gonna look at chernobyl. 370 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.519 I understand people are gonna look at Fukushima. I get it. 371 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.839 Fukushima was a title wave to hit it and drastically 372 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.119 cool the reactor to such a degree that they couldn't 373 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:59.279 expect or waiting for. And all the stuff. Yes with 374 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:06.880 you in America. Quick, quick little story here, one of 375 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:09.720 my buddies was a pipe fitter and he was fitting 376 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:11.279 up a piece. I think it was like a one 377 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:12.799 inch or a one and a half inch pipe. And 378 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.039 for anybody who's not really familiar with materials or anything 379 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:18.480 like that, it's the diameter of the pipes like that big. 380 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:20.480 It's not. It's not a large pipe by any means. 381 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:23.119 And they basically had to get it from point A 382 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.400 to point B. They had bolted down jersey barriers, and 383 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:29.079 if anybody doesn't know what that is, those would be 384 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:31.720 those giant concrete barriers on either side of an inner 385 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:34.920 state when they're doing like roadworking stuff. Not the plastic type, 386 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:38.079 the concrete type. And they had this thing bolted down 387 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:42.000 like every foot and a half strapped to this jersey barrier. 388 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.039 And my buddy asked the guys like, look, I mean 389 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:47.079 it's I understand that things got to be secure here 390 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.640 and everything. But why does it have to be this secure? 391 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.519 Like everything we do has to be secured to this fashion. 392 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:58.319 The planner told him, this whole plant was designed so 393 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:02.240 that if a volcan know, an earthquake and a tidal 394 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.559 wave hit this plant at the exact same time, these 395 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:10.680 reactors would not go down. That's the level of ingenuity 396 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.599 that is put into the American nuclear programs as far 397 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:19.200 as nuclear energy is concerned. So again, I'm not saying 398 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:22.160 that green Peace is like completely full of shit here, 399 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.759 because they are speaking on behalf of the world and 400 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:28.440 everybody's nuclear programs, and I cannot speak on behalf of 401 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.519 everyone else's safety protocols and things. But in America that's 402 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:38.359 pretty much a non point. But like, all right, and 403 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:41.319 I get what they're saying. In a time of war, sure, yes, 404 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:43.839 I'm with you. Like the nuclear reactor could be hit 405 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:48.079 in these things. Do they think that if like you 406 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.039 hit a nuclear reactor with a with a bunker buster 407 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.880 or something that like a nuclear bomb would go off. 408 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.559 I think they think that's how that works. 409 00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:00.359 Yeah, I think they might think it's like a dirty 410 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:05.039 bomb where even if you don't get the nuclear explosion, 411 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.880 just scattering all that stuff might be bad for people. 412 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:13.240 And I get that the nuclear waste from like the water, 413 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.480 if you're like on an island Fukushima as an example, 414 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.400 I get what they're saying here the stuff into the air. 415 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.720 I'm with you one hundred percent. It's not like you're 416 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:25.000 gonna make a crater with the mushroom cloud and the 417 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:28.640 whole nine from a reactor getting hit. That's not it's 418 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:34.559 not the same at all. Actually, but yeah, all right, yeah, Raven, 419 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:34.960 go ahead. 420 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.160 So my mom actually because my mom worked for the 421 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.880 my parents worked for the electrical company for forty plus 422 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:46.599 years in Oregon. We have like we did the company 423 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:49.759 that she worked for, they they have some of the 424 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:53.000 fields where they keep the nuclear waste and like, uh, 425 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.720 they the government actually renigged on the nuclear like power 426 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:01.920 because they he was in charge of it, because of 427 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.079 they didn't want to help with a waste any longer. 428 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:08.079 And like we have a steam plant there we I 429 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:10.839 think it's still operating, but it was like it worked 430 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.079 in a cycle to be able to use the steam 431 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.559 and the steam energy actually was fantastic. And like there's 432 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:18.920 a whole bunch of stuff. I was just looking glancing. 433 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:20.960 So this is actually a really good book about like 434 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.160 it's called Sustainable Energy Choosing among Options, And this is 435 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:28.240 a book all about like actual sustainable energy and like 436 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.240 the different types of energy and what breaking it down to, 437 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:34.400 like the super smart level, which I'm like brough math 438 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:38.279 Amede not a thing, but it's talking about different options 439 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.119 and stuff, and it's just it doesn't make sense to me, 440 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:44.960 Like there is there's been a couple new energy types 441 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.319 in the last few years that they've tested and it 442 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:50.640 has better options, but it keeps getting shut down. 443 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:51.799 For whatever reason. 444 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.519 Then the one I like is the hydro energy that 445 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.480 they actually have the new turbines that don't destroy the 446 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.359 rivers and it actually like help smooth the fish around, 447 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:02.200 and it's a whole thing. 448 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.359 They only have one of them. 449 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:05.799 They might have more now it's been a few years 450 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:07.799 since they've looked into it, so they might have more, 451 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.319 but it actually produces a ton of energy and that's 452 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.200 super clean. I kind of laughed about the Green Peace 453 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:14.559 That's why I. 454 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:15.440 Had to drop it in there. 455 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:18.599 But I mean I could understand some of what they're saying, 456 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.599 like nuclear plants are a bigger target quote unquote, because 457 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:27.519 if you hit the wind turbine fields in California. You're 458 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:31.400 not going to have like an actual meltdown of anything. Yes, 459 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:36.839 they do have toxic chemicals in the actual you know, blades, 460 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:40.200 but it's not going to kill anybody as like leeching 461 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:43.960 out tons of chemicals. If they did hit a nuclear plant, 462 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:45.599 potentially it's there. 463 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:50.160 But yeah, I see what you're saying, and I don't disagree. 464 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.279 I haven't heard much about the new hydro. I've heard 465 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:55.559 that there is a new hydro. I haven't really looked 466 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:58.559 into it. And that's the thing. I'm only looking at 467 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.119 hydro from the perspective of how it has been done 468 00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.960 in the past, and the dams and how that affects 469 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.079 the things downstream and upstream, the flooding that takes place, 470 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.519 all of that. If they have a better way of 471 00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.920 doing it, then like I'm all here for it. But 472 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.200 I would have to look more into that for sure. 473 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.519 But anyway, so going back into the green peace thing here, 474 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.000 nuclear energy is too expensive. Let's see, I'm not going 475 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:23.200 to read the whole thing here. The cost of generating 476 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.480 solar power ranges from thirty six dollars to forty four 477 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:31.480 dollars per megawatt hour. Yeah, in the perfect conditions. My god. 478 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.880 The World Nuclear Energy World Nuclear Industry Status Reports said 479 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.799 while onshore wind power comes in at twenty nine to 480 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.720 fifty six dollars per megawatt, it's already counterintuited to what 481 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.440 they just said. Nuclear energy costs between one hundred and 482 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.559 twelve and one hundred and eighty nine dollars per megawatt. 483 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:54.279 So they just kind of renigged on their sentence prior. 484 00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:57.680 But like, okay, anyway, Yeah, so apparently, according to them, 485 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:01.880 nuclear is too expensive, your energy is too slow. Number four. 486 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.440 The twenty twenty one World Nuclear Industry Status Report estimates 487 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.920 that since two thousand and nine, the average construction time 488 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.880 for reactors worldwide was just under ten years, well above 489 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.720 the estimate, well above the estimate given by the World 490 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.160 Nuclear Association industry body of between five and eight point 491 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.839 five years. There's probably a reason for that, the same 492 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:27.000 reason why most big industrial projects go on longer than 493 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:31.000 planned and scheduled, because OSHA and things like that get 494 00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.119 in the way. But when it comes to nuclear I 495 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.960 would rather than take the extra time and make sure 496 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.920 they build it right. That's just me. That's kind of 497 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.559 how the cookie crumbles here and number five, nuclear energy 498 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.680 generates huge amounts of toxic waste. That is also not true. 499 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:47.759 There is waste that comes off of it, and it 500 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.279 can be toxic to people, but we have uses for that. Again. 501 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.119 The A ten warhog shoots bullets made out of depleted 502 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:58.079 uranium the size of red bull cans. It's beautiful, it's amazing, 503 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:01.599 and it pierces armor. But you know whatever. Okay, so 504 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.799 green peace is Oh I forgot number six. I'm sorry. 505 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:10.640 There was a six one here. There wasn't. No, there 506 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.359 was not literally the oh here it is, and number 507 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:18.240 six the nuclear industry is falling short of its promises. Okay, 508 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:22.720 none of these things would make sense as to why 509 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:28.319 it's not considered green. I maybe I'm missing something here. 510 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.920 They said how it wasn't as good as solar and wind, 511 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.480 which mathematically that's laughable. But I didn't see one thing 512 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.759 as to why that wouldn't be considered green. 513 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.000 But right, I just see it depends on the definition. 514 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:46.480 If your highest priority is to get rid of carbon dioxide, 515 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:48.960 they do a really good job at given power without 516 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.480 producing that. But if you're really afraid of a dirty bomb, 517 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.480 which is a legitimate fear, then it just depends what 518 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.200 your priority is. I learned something just in the last 519 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.400 few minutes about how France has so much nuclear power, 520 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:08.039 because I've heard about this for years. They've been between 521 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.279 seventy and eighty percent of their electricity coming from nuclear 522 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.079 and it's a direct result of something called the Mesmer plane, 523 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.079 which was invented after nineteen seventy three with the big 524 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:24.000 oil crisis with one of the Arab Israeli wars, the 525 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.200 Young Kapur War, and it was named after Prime Minister 526 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.680 Pierre Mesmer, who announced that it was going to be 527 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:35.119 a hugely ambitious nuclear power program aimed at generating most 528 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:38.240 of France's electricity from nuclear power, and they got up 529 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.960 to about eighty percent. It's lower than that now and 530 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.279 they do have a significant amount of renewables. This I guess. 531 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:50.160 I've heard Europe has much higher electrical power costs than 532 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.359 we do here in the US because we have something 533 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.720 like ten cents of kilowatt hour, but over there it's 534 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.480 like four times higher. So maybe nuclear is more competitive 535 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:04.359 over there. But yeah, they gave the figures in the 536 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.119 green Peace article as one hundred dollars per mega waite hour, 537 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.079 and that's just the same thing as ten cents of 538 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.799 kill a wat hour, just so people can convert that 539 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:14.960 ratio in their head. 540 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:15.400 I don't know. 541 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.920 I guess at the largest scales, people calculating gigawatt hours 542 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.839 and megawat hours and tarawat hours. But for your house, 543 00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:27.359 you get charged in kill a WoT hours. In France, 544 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.799 most of their power plants make well over a thousand megawatts, 545 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.640 as opposed to the Chinese one we were talking about, 546 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.119 which is only one hundred megawatts. So the Chinese one 547 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.440 that I was just talking about is apparently pretty small 548 00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:40.279 by comparison. 549 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.960 Yeah, I mean the picture at least, and I don't 550 00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.200 know if that was a model or if that was 551 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.680 their current construction of it, but you saw people standing 552 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:51.799 next to it, and it didn't look nearly as large 553 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.279 as the reactors that we have in America. So I 554 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.359 don't know if that's because it's the new hybrid type 555 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.960 and maybe it's not as big and it doesn't require 556 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.079 as much space or what the case is. 557 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:08.559 But yeah, well, hydrogen deuterium fusion, I don't know the 558 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:10.519 exact number, but it's something like ten or one hundred 559 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:15.480 times more energy dense than uranium, which is already incredibly 560 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.079 energy dens. Yeah, and I don't know what the figure 561 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.599 is on it, but any any supplementing they can do 562 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:26.599 with hydrogen, it's basically free energy, and hydrogen is not radioactive, 563 00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.119 so that's really the best source we could possibly hope for. 564 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.640 In my opinion, I may be wrong, but isn't that 565 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.599 also the same Not to bring it to nuclear bombs, 566 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.039 but bear with me in that the same kind of 567 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.799 process or at least concept behind the hydrogen bomb versus 568 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.640 the atomic bomb. Hydrogen has a lot more energy to 569 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.000 be expelled or used in this case. 570 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.599 One hundred percent. Yeah. The first nuclear bombs in Almagordo 571 00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.519 and Hiroshima and Nagasaki used uranium, and I think the 572 00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.240 Nagasaki one might have used plutonium two. But those work 573 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.920 by fission, and when those elements split, they give off 574 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.920 an enormous amount of power. But hydrogen fusion is when 575 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.240 hydrogen when it has to be deuterium. Okay, there's got 576 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.240 to be a proton and a neutron in it, and 577 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.759 I forget what ratio of hydrogen that is, but it's 578 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.839 like one percent or zero point one percent of all 579 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.160 the hydrogen in the universe is deuterium and it's got 580 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.039 the necessary neutrons that it needs in order to fuse 581 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.759 the helium. And the way you make a hydrogen bomb 582 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:33.440 is you use a uranium fission bomb and put it 583 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:38.960 right next to a bunch of deuterium that gets compressed 584 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:44.160 into a tiny space somehow. And when you compress the 585 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:48.799 deuterium that much at high enough temperature, it replicates the 586 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.119 fusion process in the Sun. But it's actually even more 587 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.039 hardcore than the Sun, because the Sun's core only gets 588 00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:58.000 up to about two or three million kelvin or two 589 00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.799 or three million celsius, and a hydrogen bomb gets to 590 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:05.759 two hundred or three hundred million calvin. Yeah, because when 591 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.000 you think about it, the Sun's fusing this hydrogen, but 592 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.800 over the course of millions of years, the amount of 593 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.519 deuterium there as a percentage of its mass, barely changes 594 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.159 it at all, which is why I just can keep 595 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.800 burning it forever and ever and ever practically speaking, But 596 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.480 a hydrogen bomb needs to needs to get all that 597 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.719 energy out right away, so it needs the temperature to 598 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:26.239 be way, way, way way higher. 599 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:31.960 Dude, I just I stumbled upon and on the cult 600 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.320 of conspiracy. You know, we dive into all the conspiracies, 601 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.039 and there are some people out there that don't believe 602 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:42.159 the nuclear bombs are real. Yeah, that is a actual 603 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:48.559 conspiracy that certain people who are like voting adults, really believe, 604 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:53.960 and their evidence behind it is like on the surface, 605 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.159 without doing any digging of your own. To an uneducated person, 606 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.400 they'd be like, yeah, that's true. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 607 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.519 people live there today. If nukes went off, how is 608 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.000 there not radioactive fallout? And blah blah blah blah blah 609 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.440 blah blah, and like that's the basis of their whole 610 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.800 talking point. To put this into perspective for everybody, that 611 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.239 would be like somebody's saying, I don't believe gunpowder is 612 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.960 real because every time I fire a bullet, the casing 613 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.280 comes out, but there's no gunpowder inside of it. That 614 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.199 is about a one to one comparison for anybody who 615 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:32.119 doesn't know why there's no nuclear fallouts after a bomb 616 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.199 goes off. Now, yes, there is initially some radiation in 617 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.159 the air, and there's radioactive burns that happened, sure of course, 618 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.239 But why we don't have that thirty five year half 619 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.159 life or things like that after a bomb goes off 620 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.519 is because all of the radioactive materials get burned and 621 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.800 used as the fuel for the kaboom. They don't have 622 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.639 the long half life and all these things. And for 623 00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.360 the people who also believe that nukes are fake, all 624 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.880 the testing that was done in the Nevada and New 625 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.920 Mexico desert back in the day, the people who lived 626 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.719 around there that got all kinds of horrible radio radiation poisoning. 627 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.719 They're called down winders. Anybody would like to look into them, 628 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.679 and the crazy lawsuits they had to fight for years 629 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:19.719 to finally get compensation and acknowledgment for him. Yeah, nukes 630 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.280 are one hundred percent reel. They are one hundred percent. 631 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:26.239 It blows my mind that people people thinking. 632 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.679 And you might have heard of Richard Ramirez. He was 633 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.840 a serial killer from El Paso and see that Juarez. Yeah, 634 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.280 and he was a downwinder. His family suffered birth defects 635 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.079 and trauma when he was a kid as a result 636 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.679 of that. Yeah. Well, another thing, the uranium bombs over Japan. 637 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:44.920 They only had a yield of about ten to twenty 638 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.719 thousand kilotons, but hydrogen bombs are normally in the thousands 639 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.599 of kilotons, and the largest couple that ever were detonated 640 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:55.519 were the Sonder BOMBA and the Castle Bravo at one 641 00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:00.840 hundred megatons or one hundred thousand kilotons. Yeah, that's so 642 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.800 hydrogen is just a whole different order of magnitude bigger 643 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:09.559 in terms of power. As far as the radiation in Hiroshima, 644 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.039 I don't know why, but you know, people do live 645 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.199 there now obviously, and I've heard that the radioactive fallout 646 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.360 from more recent nukes would be even worse. But I 647 00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.599 don't know why. But yeah, the nuclear bomb does not 648 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.639 burn one hundred percent of the isotopes. It's maybe only 649 00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.440 like fifty percent, and the other fifty percent do get 650 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.039 scattered and they can't make people sick. 651 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:31.239 Absolutely. 652 00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.039 In fact, the no nukes people, I think part of 653 00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:39.639 the conspiracy theory from their angle is that Hiroshima was firebombed, 654 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.079 but they also dropped a bunch of radioactive uranium at 655 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.079 the same time to make it look like there was 656 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.039 a nuclear bomb, although I still agree that there was 657 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:50.480 really just a nuclear bomb. 658 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.840 Well, they say it also because Tokyo was firebombed, right, 659 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:57.440 so we because most of Tokyo at this time, and 660 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.440 I would assume it's not like this today. During World 661 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.280 War Two, most of their buildings were made out of 662 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.440 wood and paper, but it was traditional Japanese homes and things. 663 00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.639 And so dropping the World War II equivalent of napalm 664 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.360 in that city goes hard, goes really hard, and it 665 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.000 does the job. It was like one hundred thousand people 666 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.320 died in the course of it wasn't like a day, 667 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.239 maybe it was like two days or three days or 668 00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:25.280 something ridiculous. And yeah, the fire bombing in Tokyo was 669 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.920 way more devastating to life than the nuclear bombs that 670 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:33.360 happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But like also this is 671 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.559 another historical fact that America really doesn't want to acknowledge. 672 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.880 We dropped a nuke on the Christian epicenter of Japan. 673 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.880 If I'm not mistaken, Nagasaki was like the biggest Christian 674 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.280 as far as faith and religion goes, The biggest Christian 675 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.800 conglomerates of that country was there, and we nuked them. 676 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:55.920 And of course we had to push that one to 677 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.880 the side and all the things later on because at 678 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.639 that time, especially the Bible Belt wasn't exact just in 679 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.119 the south. That was a pretty much a whole country 680 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.599 vibe and uh, yeah, yeah, that's a whole thing that happened. 681 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:08.960 And yeah there's radiation burns and it's not one hundred 682 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.360 percent burn for sure, there's gonna be some fallout, but 683 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:13.800 it's not it's not what people are thinking, like, Yeah, 684 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:18.079 they rebuilt those towns relatively quickly because they can, and 685 00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.079 you can go there with your Uh, I forget, it's 686 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.679 not a meger because that's an electric device. I forget 687 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.320 what it's called. Whenever they like use the wand to 688 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.199 tech for radioactive isotopes and things like that and like 689 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:33.000 tiger counter, thank you, not a Meger tiger counter. And yeah, 690 00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:37.920 you can find certain spots where there is a radiation signature, 691 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:40.719 but it's not it is nowhere near which you'll find 692 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.079 at Chernobyl. Reason why is because Chernobyl is still currently 693 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.519 burning and it's still putting off those the waste and 694 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:49.800 the isotopes and all the stuff. Fukushima, same thing. It's 695 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:51.880 still putting these things off. It didn't burn it all 696 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:56.000 in an instant like a bomb. So anyway, Ravenly, I 697 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:58.880 see your hand, go ahead. 698 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:01.880 All right. 699 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:05.519 While we've been talking, I've just realized that I'm looking 700 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.360 at all this stuff about China. So China has a 701 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.159 new mega project for the mountain dam. Also they are 702 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:18.119 trying to do their one hundred billion dollar impossible Himalayan dam. 703 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:20.719 And then sure, by the way. 704 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.519 That's one of that is the engineering or disaster that's 705 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.800 talking about the I think that's talking about the one 706 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.039 that's the mountain dam. 707 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.760 I'm just I found a twelve day old YouTube video. 708 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.159 And then Canada has a twelve billion dollar megadam that 709 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:41.320 they're also pushing forward. So it looks like hydropower is 710 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:45.199 actually coming back into popularity. To the articles they sent 711 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.639 you are just about hydropower and stuff. But yeah, so 712 00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:50.119 that's something that's going on. 713 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.920 I mean that makes me happy. I mean, especially if 714 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.559 there's a it's a better and more efficient way than 715 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:58.320 it has been done in the past. Like I'm all 716 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.519 yours absolutely. Matter of fact, let's watch little bit of 717 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.280 this video. It's only like six minutes long. We don't 718 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.320 have to watch the entirety of it, but at least 719 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:05.679 to get the gist. I'm all here. 720 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:10.440 Embarking on a project of unparalleled scale and ambition, constructing 721 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.840 the world's largest hydropower dam on the Yar Lung Chung 722 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:18.440 Po River in Tibet. This enormous undertaking, which could cost 723 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.800 as much as one hundred thirty seven billion dollars, is 724 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:26.760 set to produce three hundred billion kilowat hours of electricity annually. 725 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:31.440 That's nearly three times the output of the Three Gorges Dam, 726 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.719 currently the world's largest hydropower facility. While Beijing touts the 727 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.519 project as a major step forward in renewable energy and 728 00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:48.920 economic development, its implications are raising serious concerns across environmental, geopolitical, 729 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:54.239 and humanitarian spheres. Harnessing the power of the yar lungchang Po. 730 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.599 The yar Lung sang Po River, originating from the Angsi 731 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:03.360 Glacier in the Tibetan place, flows through the world's deepest canyon, 732 00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:09.760 the Yarlungsangpo Grand Canyon. This region boasts an extraordinary combination 733 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.679 of natural features that make it ideal for hydropower generation. 734 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:18.559 In a single fifty kilometer stretch near Namchabarwa Mountain, the 735 00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:22.599 river drops and astonishing two thousand meters, creating one of 736 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.760 the most hydropower rich zones on Earth. China's plan to 737 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:31.480 harness this power involves drilling multiple twenty kilometer long tunnels 738 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:36.079 to divert the river's flow, enabling the generation of unprecedented 739 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:40.480 levels of electricity. Once operational, the dam could play a 740 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.280 pivotal role in China's broader strategy to meet its climate 741 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:48.960 neutrality goals and shift toward renewable energy, as outlined in 742 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:55.239 its fourteenth five Year Plan. Promises of progress or ecological catastrophe. 743 00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.239 Chinese state media describes the dam as a safe project 744 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:04.559 that prioritizes ecological protection, but such assurances have done little 745 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:09.719 to assuage the concerns of environmental experts and human rights organizations. 746 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.039 The Tibetan Plateau is one of the most biodiverse regions 747 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:18.760 on Earth, home to unique ecosystems that could face irreversible 748 00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:23.760 damage from this development. Altering the river's natural flow, coupled 749 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:28.079 with large scale construction in a tectonically active area, poses 750 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:35.559 significant risks, including landslides and seismic instability. Furthermore, the displacement 751 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:40.239 of local Tibetan communities is almost certain, although Beijing has 752 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:44.719 yet to disclose how many people will be affected. For context, 753 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:48.920 the construction of the Three Gorges Dam required the relocation 754 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.440 of one point four million people. In the case of 755 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:58.079 the Yarlungsangpo Project. Affected populations could face loss of ancestral lands, 756 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:04.920 cultural heritage, and livelihoods. Activists and Tibetan advocacy groups argue 757 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.320 that this is yet another example of China's exploitation of 758 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.679 Tibetan resources under the guise of development. 759 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.599 Okay, maybe I'm just a little jaded, but I don't 760 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:23.639 think China cares about displacing one point four million when 761 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.719 they have like a population of a billion, give or take. 762 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.920 And I know for a fact they don't care about 763 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.320 the Tibetan culture. They're currently occupying a portion of Tibet 764 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.760 right now, and the Dalai Lama is in hiding or 765 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:40.599 in exile or whatever you want to call it in 766 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.320 India because of this, so. 767 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:53.000 Right, okay, deepening the historical tensions in the region, geopolitical 768 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.639 ripples Downstream, the yar Lung Tangpo River doesn't end in Tibet. 769 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.480 It flows south northward into India, where it becomes the 770 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:09.159 Brahmaputra River and eventually reaches Bangladesh. For millions of people downstream, 771 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.320 the river is a critical lifeline supporting agriculture, fishing, and 772 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.840 drinking water supplies. By controlling the flow of this trans 773 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:23.920 boundary river, China gains a powerful geopolitical tool that could 774 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:29.760 exacerbate tensions with neighboring countries. India in particular, has raised 775 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:33.480 alarm over the potential for China to manipulate the river's flow, 776 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.800 which could affect water availability and flood risks in its 777 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.920 northeastern states. Indian officials have even proposed the construction of 778 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.519 a competing dam and reservoir to counterbalance China's influence on 779 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.480 the river. This hydropower race could further strain already delicate 780 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.119 relations between the two nuclear armed nations. Engineering feet meets 781 00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.679 environmental challenge. 782 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:02.599 We could kind of go ahead and stop it there, 783 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.639 but okay, and especially I didn't know that area was 784 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.400 such a hot spot for like plate tectonic shifts and 785 00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:12.960 mud slides and things like that. Although a hydro power 786 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.400 plant does not pose the same types of risk it 787 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.239 like a nuclear power plant would would present as far 788 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:20.880 as like having some sort of like earthquake happening or 789 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:25.199 something like that. But still it's interesting, and I mean, 790 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:28.239 I see the benefits that China would be going after here, 791 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:31.440 and maybe that's big picture why they've been making more 792 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:34.599 pushes into more pushes into India and all these things. 793 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.119 But yeah, I don't see that going into a net 794 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:41.119 positive direction for them. Although listen here a new vision 795 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:45.559 for United States hydropower raven This is the article that 796 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:48.039 you sent. Is this talking about the new form of 797 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.039 hydro power that they were talking about the new form 798 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:52.320 of it? 799 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.519 It's just talking let me see which our article? 800 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.440 Sorry if yeah, if you scroll down, it's just talk 801 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:01.880 like it's just kind of talking about the different existing 802 00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:07.039 facilities that they're providing low cost, low carb low carbon 803 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:12.519 stuff that they are in high value potentially to increase 804 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:17.199 the contribute blah blah generation story. I'm just scanning really quick. 805 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:19.559 It's just kind of talking overall about like what the 806 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:20.119 vision is. 807 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:20.960 I just was. 808 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:21.960 You don't need to read it. 809 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.840 It's just pretty much what I found on the new 810 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.320 version is the infrastructure is changed in how they do 811 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.880 it is like what I was seeing, Like the actual 812 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.480 way that they actually are getting the water and moving 813 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.800 it around, it's not disturbing as much, and so they're 814 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.400 trying to make it more of a popular thing. Also, 815 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:45.920 I didn't know Australia has five massive hydroplants there, so 816 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.360 there's a whole bunch of people like countries that are 817 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:53.719 using hydropower more now, and there's a lot of debate 818 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.079 going on about Canada's massive megadam so I was just 819 00:47:58.159 --> 00:47:59.880 kind of reading different stuff like that. 820 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.800 Hey, okay, very interesting, and thank you for sharing all 821 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.000 of this, for sure. And you know what, while we're 822 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.360 already kind of on the topic of China, this does 823 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:14.079 actually present a very decent segue for something that I heard. 824 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.039 And I don't know how much of this I actually believe, 825 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.519 but at the same time, it's worth talking about here. 826 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.039 This is an article from twenty twenty two, as a 827 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.719 matter of fact, and it's saying basically, does China have 828 00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:31.880 designs on Siberia? Now? I don't Again, I don't know 829 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.840 the validity of this. I do know that once upon 830 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.360 a time they were talking about China invading Russia, and 831 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.800 this was, if I'm not mistaken, right before the invasion 832 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.400 took place. And this is a September twenty second of 833 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:51.079 twenty twenty two. Now I don't know why, but there 834 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:55.519 is more recently talking points about this being more realistic. 835 00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.719 Apparently Jizjaping and Putin are on the outs right now. 836 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.719 And again, it really depends on the source. It depends 837 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.639 on the source you read. I don't know that for 838 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.519 a fact. I don't know Xi personally or anything old 839 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:11.320 Panda boy himself. But this was something from a few 840 00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:13.559 years back. Here it says, actually, I'm sorry, this is 841 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:17.119 right after the invasion happened. Chinese leaders Ji japan relationship 842 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.960 with Russian President Vladimir Putin is tarnished as a result 843 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.320 of Russia's unprovoked invasion and occupation of Ukraine. GI has 844 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:29.280 been distancing China from Putin's predaceous predation gradually out of 845 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:33.000 deference to his two biggest customers, the United States and 846 00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.840 the European Union, but on September fifteenth, his displeasure about 847 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.440 the war became public. Putin himself admitted at the press 848 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.719 conference following the meeting with Ji that China had concerns 849 00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.599 about his war in Ukraine, and so did India. But 850 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:48.760 there is one more elephant in the room, Siberia, a 851 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:52.960 region bigger and richer than any place on Earth. I 852 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:56.800 feel like that's also a bit biased pool see with 853 00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:02.679 resources that under pin Putin's economy. It is Asian, not European, 854 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.880 and one day will most likely or mostly fall into 855 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:11.159 China's hands. Okay, g knows this and needn't lift a 856 00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:15.039 finger to speed along. This outcome to some Chinese takeover 857 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.280 of Siberia may seem preposterous, but Putin's flailing war against 858 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.920 the West increases the odds that the Russian Federation itself 859 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.519 may atomize. Well, that didn't exactly play it off, though, 860 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:28.199 way did it. Although again, depending on the Sorcier read, 861 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.719 they're collapsing more and more by the day, and there's 862 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.079 more outcries and more protests, and now they're calling for 863 00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.079 more coups. But I mean again, it depends on who 864 00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:40.039 you're talking to. Honestly, Putin may eventually be removed, freeing 865 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.440 Russia from a dictatorship, but also liberating revolutionary and secessionist 866 00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:49.360 movements across the vast federation. Moscow's militarized center with a 867 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.880 military that's been humiliated and will not hold, and there 868 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.800 are dozens of active secession movements across Russia Cheshniya, Tartistan, Colingrad, 869 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:03.679 Sokko Report, Public and others in Siberia. In twenty twenty one, 870 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.320 this person whose name I can't pronounce, a lecturer in 871 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.840 Eastern European studies at the University of Warsaw posted a 872 00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:15.679 six scenarios for Russia the fall of Russia under the 873 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:23.280 influence of China, Balkanization, territorial disintegration, a gradual but peaceful disintegration, 874 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:28.199 an imperial boom resulting from high oil and gas prices 875 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:32.960 for years, and modernization in cooperation with the West. Cooperation 876 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.679 is not in Putin's DNA and his illegal invasion. Okay, 877 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.519 so this article is very very very very very biased. 878 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.119 I see this, I get this. But at the same time, 879 00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.599 the article wasn't going on to say, just like, yes, 880 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.840 you's mad at Putin, He's about to invade Siberia. Apparently 881 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:49.880 there was some sort of a historical precedent to this 882 00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.400 that they were going on about. Now, again, this is 883 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.000 back in twenty twenty two, right, and a lot of 884 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.920 the predictions of what would happen and what things would 885 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.760 look like in the near future did not exactly come 886 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:06.519 to pass. But same time, if China was to try 887 00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.119 to make a move into Siberia for the resources, and 888 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:14.400 I'm not saying a military invasion, more like a buyout, 889 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.159 if you will, or something like that, or maybe they're 890 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.320 waiting for Russia to collapse so that they could come 891 00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:20.480 in and fill the void. In that regard, I don't know, 892 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.760 but I don't see that as necessarily a dumb plan. 893 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:26.960 I see it as a very wise move for them 894 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.480 to try to do that if the situation was to 895 00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:31.800 go a certain direction, Tony, go ahead. 896 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.159 Yeah. So first of all, on the Putin Shee partnership, 897 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.519 they've always got pretty rosy words for each other. Who 898 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:42.679 knows what's really going on in the background, But I 899 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:48.679 suppose that it's actually a pretty good relationship. She is 900 00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.960 she Genping is going to be in Moscow for their 901 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.480 Victory Day parades on May ninth of this year. So 902 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:59.559 things look good enough. And like I think I said before, 903 00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.760 if China really wanted Siberia, I think they would just 904 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:08.280 try to buy it. If not, you know, politically, at least, 905 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.039 you know, just just in a private kind of way. 906 00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:13.400 That's how I've been doing it. They haven't been going 907 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.800 in and taking things over militarily. They've been taking it 908 00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.400 over in a corporation way, right the big Belton Road 909 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:21.800 in the way. If they were going to make yeah, 910 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.880 it would be with a corporate greed, A suit and 911 00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:26.800 tie would take Siberia, not a gun. 912 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:33.239 Yeah. Furthermore, there actually was a huge Sino Soviet border conflict, 913 00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.760 and there's a whole Wikipedia article on it, and some 914 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.719 people even believe that nuclear weapons were used at that time, 915 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.519 but hardly anybody saw them, and there was enough political 916 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.840 pressure not to write any of this down. So I don't know. 917 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.559 I'm not sure I believe that, but there was a 918 00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.519 there was a border conflict in nineteen sixty nine between 919 00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:54.400 the two countries. 920 00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:56.639 That was And as a matter of fact, we just 921 00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:59.199 did the episode on the Cult about the Lost Cosmonauts, 922 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:00.639 and it was around that time when one of the 923 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:05.199 Russian cosmonauts landed in China and they scrubbed him from 924 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:06.960 the program and made it seem like he never was 925 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.400 a part of it or whatever. But he was hailed 926 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:11.320 in China as a prisoner for a year because they 927 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:13.280 thought he was a Russian spy who fell out of 928 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.920 a spycraft of some type. Because it was during that 929 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.159 time of the Cold War where China and Russia happened 930 00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.559 to be on the outs. So yeah, there was a conflict, 931 00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:25.400 and I sincerely doubt that nuclear warheads were used, but 932 00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.320 especially during the Cold War when no information was coming 933 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.840 out of communist nations other than what they wanted to 934 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.559 come out, I could understand why maybe the West never 935 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.840 heard about it in grave detail. I don't know, but yeah, 936 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.039 I'm with you one hundred percent. I don't think China's 937 00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.639 going to take over in some sort of a military way, 938 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.639 maybe a business way, maybe a co op type situation 939 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.760 like they've been doing with everything else in the Belton 940 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:52.400 wrote initiative. But I don't know, especially now that Russia's 941 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.519 economy and yes, I know they've been everybody's been saying 942 00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.239 the Russian economy is like on its last leg, except 943 00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:00.519 for the fact that they were able to to sell 944 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:03.880 their oil in LNG with a different flag on the 945 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:07.599 boat and people were buying a third party because Europe 946 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:11.119 really wants to buy Russian oil, even if not out loud, 947 00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:12.960 which we will get to that here in a minute. 948 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.360 Actually why not now? Why not? 949 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:15.760 Now? 950 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:19.679 This is actually right in line with that fact check. 951 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.519 Did Europe spend more on Russian oil and gas than 952 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.760 Ukrainian aid? This is from March fifth of this year, 953 00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.920 as a matter of fact, And this is actually pretty interesting, 954 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.880 so to everybody who's thinking that, like, wait a minute, 955 00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.159 these European countries hate Russia and they need to back Ukraine, 956 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.679 and they're gonna send weapons and manpower and blah blah 957 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.960 blah blah blah blah blah. Before we just take on 958 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.639 that stance, let's go ahead and look at it full pictures, 959 00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.559 shall we. There's a fact checking article from Newsweek about this. 960 00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:51.480 Europe has spent more on purchasing Russia's oil and gas 961 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.880 than it has on assistance for Ukraine in the war 962 00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:58.119 with the country, President Donald Trump has told the US Congress. 963 00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.480 Trump made the comment during his address to lawmakers on Tuesday, 964 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.360 in which he referred to what his administration might do 965 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.440 to in the three year old conflict started at by Moscow. 966 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:11.039 Trump compared the aid that the US has provided Ukraine 967 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.039 with with what the war tour country was receiving from 968 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:17.480 its European allies, effectively casting doubt on the commitment of 969 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.480 the continent's leaders, who have raised concerns about Washington stopping 970 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.639 its assistance in the fight against Russia. Isaac Levy from 971 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.800 the Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air told 972 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.840 Newsweek on Wednesday that the EU's purchase of fossil fuels 973 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:34.559 from Russia are financing the Kremlins War chest and canceling 974 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.920 out the support the block gives Ukraine. Yeah, I believe 975 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:41.079 that one thousand percent. Trump said Europe has spent more 976 00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:44.000 money buying Russian oil than defending Ukraine, adding that the 977 00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.559 US spent has spent three hundred and fifty billion dollars, 978 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.920 which was like taking candy from a baby, while Europe 979 00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.840 had spent one hundred billion dollars. What a difference that is. 980 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.800 Over the course of the war started by Putin, the 981 00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:01.559 US had been the biggest donor of military and financial assistance. 982 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:03.840 Trump claimed that he could end the war within a 983 00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.519 day entering the Oval office, and while the deadline has 984 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.719 been extended to a more realistic timeframe, the US leader 985 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:11.880 has insisted that he could still broke a swift of 986 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:16.039 resolution to the conflict. During the address to Congress, Trump 987 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:20.559 reiterated that his grievance about US spending on Ukraine, which 988 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.159 he said provided no security, as he asked, do you 989 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:25.679 want to keep it going for another five years? Which, 990 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:29.159 by the way, yes, I personally believe the European countries 991 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:31.360 want to keep it going for another five years. War 992 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.440 makes money and they like that. And yes, it may 993 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.719 not be making money for the European military industrial complex. 994 00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:42.760 They're able to buy Russian oil at cut rate prices 995 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.639 because they know that Russia really needs to sell this oil. 996 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:48.440 And now that they have all these crazy terrists from 997 00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:52.119 the international conglomerates and all that, the Russian ships have 998 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.880 just changed their numbers and changed what flag they're flying 999 00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.599 and now it's some third party from Panama or from Liberia. 1000 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:03.159 And it doesn't matter because those two countries. You don't 1001 00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:05.159 have to actually register the boat there in order to 1002 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:06.840 fly the flag there. You just had to file a 1003 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.599 paperwork and pay a fee and that's it. And so yeah, 1004 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:15.960 they're buying oil from this boat, where the boat come from. 1005 00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.440 What language are the people on the boat speaking, that's 1006 00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:21.599 not important. They're buying the oil at a really good rate, 1007 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.280 which is how Russia's been able to keep their economy 1008 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:28.039 going this whole time. If the European countries were that 1009 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:31.639 dead set on ending this war and crippling Russia, then 1010 00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:35.880 they would be buying oil from name an Arabic country, 1011 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.320 name a North American country, not Venezuela. But I mean, 1012 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:42.840 there's ways that they could go about that, but they're 1013 00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:45.400 just simply not doing it. And they have been funding 1014 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:48.559 both sides of this war. I understand this sounds very 1015 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.159 rothchild of them, but really looking at the numbers here, 1016 00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.800 that's what they've been doing. So as much as they 1017 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:57.880 want to get on microphones and stand on podiums and 1018 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:02.400 tout their display with Russia b blah blah blah, then 1019 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:05.599 why are they funding it? I don't know, Tony, what 1020 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:06.679 are your thoughts? 1021 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:11.679 Well? My thoughts are Britain and the EU are both 1022 00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:16.480 facing a potential sovereign debt crisis they're afraid of and 1023 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:21.079 a great There's two ways that they've been getting around this. 1024 00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:25.199 In twenty twenty, there was the great COVID panic and pandemic. 1025 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.159 That was a good excuse to shut everything down and 1026 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:33.760 maybe and divert everyone's attention away from the strength of 1027 00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:36.440 their currency. And the other way is to say we 1028 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:40.280 all got to rally around the flag and react to 1029 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:44.199 this foreign threat that is Russia. And Germany is not 1030 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.960 very enthusiastic about it, but the French and the British 1031 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.880 are talking about sending at least small numbers of troops 1032 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:54.000 to Ukraine. I don't think they'll actually do it. I 1033 00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.800 hope they don't, but they feel like they need to 1034 00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:00.000 talk about it, and I think they think this will 1035 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:05.679 help rescue their economy and their sovereign debt and their currency. 1036 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:09.599 That's why I think that's the main motivator for doing this. 1037 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:14.639 Yeah, I agree they're gonna they're talking. They're doing a 1038 01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:19.599 lot of talking right about sending not just money, but manpower. 1039 01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.599 And by manpower, I don't mean like a chunk of 1040 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:26.840 their military might, more like a couple battalions. Let's not 1041 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:31.199 forget that North Korea has sent ten thousand troops, so 1042 01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:35.920 at this point, like France promising ten thousand, like ooh ooh, 1043 01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:42.079 they're talking about matching North Korea's of donation. How magnanimous 1044 01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:45.880 of them. It's Yeah, it's a whole lot of talking. 1045 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.280 And although it's a very ugly conversation to have, Yes, 1046 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:55.079 war makes money for these groups. And do you want 1047 01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:57.840 to keep this war going on forever the European country, 1048 01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:01.079 Sure do absolutely, And they'll tell you the reason why 1049 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:03.880 is because if they're fighting in Ukraine, that means that 1050 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:08.239 they're not coming to our doorstep. Russia I don't believe 1051 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:12.480 has any intentions on Germany. In France and Spain, I 1052 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.599 understand the argument for like Estonia I understand the argument 1053 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.639 for North Macedonia. I understand the argument for Poland. I 1054 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:21.440 at least understand the thought process of why they would 1055 01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.400 think that's a real thing that needs to be concerned with. Okay, fine, 1056 01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:28.559 I may disagree, I may agree, but I understand at least, 1057 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.159 like you know, on the chalkboard, looking at the math, 1058 01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:35.000 how it maths. Fine, But the countries that are talking 1059 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:38.320 about donating all of these resources and manpower and everything 1060 01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:42.880 else are not at risk of this becoming of them problem. 1061 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:48.360 But yes, they're wanting to match North Korea's charity, which 1062 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:54.280 is I think kind of insulting any but Zelenski's all 1063 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:58.000 too willing to accept whatever donations he can get because boy, 1064 01:01:58.039 --> 01:01:59.719 oh boy, does he need it. So I get it. 1065 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:04.639 Yeah, these Western European countries, it wouldn't be the first 1066 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:06.679 time they've been at war with Russia either, or the 1067 01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:11.360 first time that they've frankly lost, for example Napoleon. You 1068 01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.679 could argue the British won the Crimean War, but some 1069 01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.159 people argue the opposite, And I don't know enough about 1070 01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:18.000 it to say for sure. 1071 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.679 I called the Curic victory at best, dude, I mean, yeah, 1072 01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:25.800 maybe on paper they won, but like at what cost. 1073 01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:29.199 You know, uh huh, Yeah, they had to send a 1074 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.840 lot of troops very far away, whereas for Russia that 1075 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.039 fight was right next door. But anyway, I found another 1076 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:39.199 kind of funny interesting thing is this is admittedly from 1077 01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:43.840 a Russian propagana outlet, but it seems true that the 1078 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:48.079 Russia Defense Ministry published a fragment of the interrogation of 1079 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:52.360 a Ukrainian soldier named Andre Chemer from Kiya. He was 1080 01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:56.639 captured during the battles for Kirsk. Chamr showed a strange document. 1081 01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.880 It was in French. The commanders of the armed for 1082 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:05.679 vers of Ukraine gave their subordinates an alleged French insurance policy, 1083 01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:10.559 but in fact these guys couldn't read French. But what 1084 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.840 the document was was a consent for organ donation and 1085 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:21.079 transplantation in Canada. The prisoner didn't know about this, and 1086 01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:23.800 the soldiers were told that if they were wounded, they 1087 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.880 would be sent to the best clinics in France for 1088 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:30.960 treatment and have a French life insurance policy. But in reality, 1089 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:35.159 allegedly when they were getting wounded, there were doctors coming 1090 01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:39.320 up to harvest their organs. Maybe it's true, maybe it's 1091 01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:42.280 not true. But this is just one of many little 1092 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.000 tidbits of information flying around in the fog of war. 1093 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:53.199 Wow. Okay, so much to unpack on that one. So 1094 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:59.000 if that is accurate, I'm not saying it is. I'm 1095 01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:03.000 not saying it isn't. It would really depend on the 1096 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.920 injury sustained by the person, because it's not like every 1097 01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:10.880 organ is harvestable upon, you know, even if it's a 1098 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.880 fresh I mean, we're talking about a guy that's been 1099 01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.079 living in trenches and on the front line for god 1100 01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:18.239 knows how many months or whatever the case may be. 1101 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:25.119 But if it was a viable, you know, source of organs, 1102 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:29.039 I could envision a world where if this person's especially 1103 01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:31.599 already being chalked up as a death anyway, you know, 1104 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:36.320 and we're talking about a war where there's report saying 1105 01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:40.119 that neither side actually cares about their soldiers. So I 1106 01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:44.159 get that I could see a world in which that 1107 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.199 would be accurate. I also think that if you were 1108 01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:49.239 able to keep him alive long enough to make it 1109 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:51.679 to an AID station, and then they would, you know, say, 1110 01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:53.679 oh no, this guy's not going to get surgery. He's 1111 01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:56.880 going to get that other surgery. I just I don't know. 1112 01:04:57.119 --> 01:04:59.559 I have a hard time seeing making it to the 1113 01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.400 surgical room or tint or whatever the case. And then 1114 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.840 like what organs would you harvest from a frontline soldier 1115 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.519 that would be viable or sellable at that point, I 1116 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:10.960 don't know. 1117 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.280 Yeah, part of me kind of doubts it too, But 1118 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.599 it goes on that they claim that there were doctors 1119 01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:25.119 running around with like a thermal box containers for organs, 1120 01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.159 trying to put people's organs on ice and stuff. Maybe 1121 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:33.239 it's not true for the record, but maybe I've heard 1122 01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:36.360 a lot of stories about like China doing organ harvesting, 1123 01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:39.199 and I'm not one hundred percent sure that's true either. 1124 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.159 It could be half true. But these are kind of 1125 01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:44.639 the kind of accusations that just fly around a lot 1126 01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:46.639 when two countries aid each other. 1127 01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:51.559 I mean, it doesn't sound out of the realm of possibility. 1128 01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:56.239 I'll give you that. It sounds not probable, but very possible. 1129 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.800 I mean, it's it's and I know we're looking at 1130 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:03.239 this from an American lenns right, and on paper, at least, 1131 01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:06.239 the American government gives a they give a rats ass 1132 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.840 about their military members and all these things, and yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, Sure, 1133 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:14.280 even though they let that marine stay in a Russian 1134 01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:19.840 prison for years for nothing, and they traded Britney Griner 1135 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:24.440 back before him, and like that's the thing that absolutely happened. 1136 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.840 But yeah, so that's what I'm saying. There is absolutely 1137 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:30.880 a greater than zero percent chance that something like this 1138 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.400 has happened. And I mean, even if it's a very 1139 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:37.440 isolated case or cases of something like this happening, maybe 1140 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:41.760 it's not a big mass push that still breaks a 1141 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.400 lot of Geneva Convention walls, which I mean that only 1142 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.559 applies to the countries that actually acknowledge the Geneva Convention. 1143 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.000 So I mean, I don't believe that Ukraine wasn't a 1144 01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:56.519 country when that was signed. And the Soviet Union was 1145 01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.920 the one that was signed the Geneva Convention, not the 1146 01:06:59.039 --> 01:06:59.880 Russian Federation. 1147 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:04.960 So yeah, I don't know that's a good point. I 1148 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:07.239 could look that up. But this brings up something that 1149 01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:11.119 is not political at all, if you'll indulge me for 1150 01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:16.320 a minute. But yeah, I have a friend through church 1151 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.000 and he and his wife just had a baby. But 1152 01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:23.559 I don't want to give away information or docks him 1153 01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:28.000 or anything, but the baby did not survive. But The 1154 01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:33.119 one silver lining though, is that they got to donate 1155 01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:35.920 the baby's heart valve, so there's probably another baby out 1156 01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.159 there who's going to get to live who wouldn't have 1157 01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:41.840 gotten to live otherwise. So it's obviously highly emotional for 1158 01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.320 them and this is like the one little silver lining 1159 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:49.159 of it. So I guess thank God for organ donation. 1160 01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:51.559 And some people don't believe in it for some reason, 1161 01:07:51.599 --> 01:08:00.639 but I think it's a good thing. Gee, what's your take, Podox. 1162 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.239 Judaism does not believe in it does not believe in 1163 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:08.440 Oregon transplants. I'm not entirely so I don't I don't know. 1164 01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:09.960 I knew that was gonna be the follow up question, 1165 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:11.639 and I will have to do a little bit more 1166 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:17.159 research on it, but I I'm not sure if it 1167 01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:19.640 has to do with what we believe that there will 1168 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:27.680 be a a revivification of the dead. 1169 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:27.079 Basically means like. 1170 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:34.079 Probably probably the resurrection, just different, different, different term. So 1171 01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:40.199 that since eventually there will be a point where, like 1172 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:44.399 we believe that all Jews will go to Israel, like 1173 01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:48.640 when once our Messiah eventually comes in et cetera, and 1174 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:52.439 once it gets to a certain point, it could be 1175 01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:56.920 that it's not necessary because obviously God being God there 1176 01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.600 and there are there have been millions of Jews over 1177 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.000 the past, you know, a couple of thousand years who 1178 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:06.439 have died. So it's not like these organs are Bible, 1179 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.000 you know, hundreds of years later. 1180 01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:09.840 It could just. 1181 01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.479 Be because God gave it to us. I don't know, 1182 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.880 so I will have to do more research. But no, 1183 01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:22.000 Orthodox Jews do not believe in organ donations. 1184 01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.720 So follow up question, I would love to hear what 1185 01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:27.760 you find as far as that goes. Ask I would 1186 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:30.560 love for like some rabbis and get like the the 1187 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:34.520 dogmatic reasons for that. But and I understand why. For instance, 1188 01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.199 like a heart valve replacement, I fully get why Jews 1189 01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.079 would not want a pig valve installed in them. 1190 01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:43.680 Not true, not true, not true. 1191 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:47.479 Actually wait, I was about saying, I know now replacements though, 1192 01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:49.399 like a cow valve would be better than a pig valve. 1193 01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:51.880 As far as the Jewish, you know, dog Mo was concerned. 1194 01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:53.000 You're fine with. 1195 01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:56.880 Neither, So hold on, hold on, a hold lot. So 1196 01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:57.720 here's the reason. 1197 01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.479 So there is a mitzvah in the tour that says 1198 01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:05.560 that you should live be ahem, which means you should 1199 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:10.720 live through them. And one of the interpretations and reading 1200 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.600 of it is that if you are that you are 1201 01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:16.560 required to do whatever you can. 1202 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:18.439 To save life. 1203 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:23.960 So for for example, my my grandmother is is not religious, 1204 01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:28.880 for example, and I am. However, if she was having 1205 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:31.960 a heart attack, I would pick up my phone and 1206 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.199 I would call that, I would call if there was 1207 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:38.279 if there was a doctor. There are plenty of religious 1208 01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:43.079 communities that a doctor will have their phone on during shop. 1209 01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.640 Is because if you are able to save the life, 1210 01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:49.159 you are required to do so. 1211 01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:50.560 This this is not optional. 1212 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:55.199 So when it comes to any kind of surgeries that 1213 01:10:55.439 --> 01:11:00.560 are uh, life giving surgeries that like, if you do. 1214 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.920 Not get this pig valve, you will die. 1215 01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:09.560 You not even should you must take that heart or 1216 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.079 take take that take that valve in order to do so. 1217 01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.880 Orthodox Jews are not down with organ donation and all 1218 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.399 that it would Orthodox Jews be down with a heart 1219 01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:20.439 valve replacement for a pig valve. Or is this like 1220 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.079 the different yes, modern type of judy. 1221 01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:25.600 No that no, that that no, that that's that's a 1222 01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:26.119 different thing. 1223 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.880 Those are two different One of them is giving the 1224 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.960 organs away after one has been deceased, and the other 1225 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:38.359 one is getting something in order to survive. 1226 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:45.119 That kind of it's a different. 1227 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:47.359 No, it's it's a different it's a different thing. 1228 01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:50.840 So like so when it comes to when I say organization, 1229 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:53.319 or we're talking about that posthumously. 1230 01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:54.720 So so after someone. 1231 01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:58.399 Has been deceased, you are the all of the organs 1232 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:02.239 should stay with the body, as opposed to with the 1233 01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:06.119 example you're giving about the pig valve, is that if 1234 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:13.600 I were to not get the surgery, I would die. 1235 01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:13.880 As opposed to I'm already dead. 1236 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:17.680 Therefore, the organs that I already have internally I can 1237 01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:18.239 give away. 1238 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:21.640 It's a different thing one is in order to survive. 1239 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:26.319 Yeah, so you're against receiving a donated organ. They are 1240 01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:30.039 against donating their own organs. 1241 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.640 At least at the very least after you are dead. 1242 01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:37.600 So a good question also would be if I was 1243 01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:40.800 to say, had the same I don't know kidney as 1244 01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:45.880 somebody and they needed a kidney transplant, would I be 1245 01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:50.119 allowed to give my organ? I'm not sure, so that 1246 01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:51.920 that would be a secondary question. 1247 01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:54.079 So after someone dies, for sure. 1248 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:58.560 Not If it's to save a life, that might be 1249 01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:02.359 permissible because you're doing something to help someone survive. 1250 01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:08.399 Wow, Yeah, please find out more on the dogma of this. 1251 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:10.720 I would love to learn more about. I didn't know 1252 01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.079 this honestly. Wow. 1253 01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:17.720 Yeah, I'm kind of confused, but I'm interested to learn 1254 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:20.159 more too. One thing I could say is that there 1255 01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:23.159 was a similar teaching in the Catholic Church that you 1256 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.479 couldn't be cremated and you're supposed to be buried because 1257 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.359 it will make the resurrection of the body easier. 1258 01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:34.600 Yeah, I mean right, it's kind of I think that's 1259 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:37.079 why I think catholic has got it from Jews, because 1260 01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:39.680 Jews should not be cremated. 1261 01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:43.039 That's a it's a very bad thing. 1262 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:47.800 And even like when it comes to laws of mourning, 1263 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:55.199 that that you should not or cannot properly mourn for 1264 01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:57.479 somebody if they were cremated. 1265 01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:00.119 Obviously, the Holocaust is a completely difference. 1266 01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:05.159 Because that was something that was that was done extremely forcefully, 1267 01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:07.640 that was not exactly done willingly. 1268 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.159 But but for those. 1269 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:13.319 Who willingly get it done, it's it is not looked 1270 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:14.640 upon very highly. 1271 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.680 Yeah. I have an uncle who is like overly Catholic, 1272 01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:20.960 and I'm not saying that in an insulting way, but 1273 01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:24.279 he's like full on Knights of Columbus. Dude, and I'm 1274 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:26.000 not throwing shaite at the Knight's Columbus. You know, a 1275 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:29.359 lot of these guys are amazing organization, amazing people. But 1276 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.239 he also we were talking about that one day. My dad, 1277 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:36.000 his brother wants to be cremated, right. He on the 1278 01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:37.520 other hand, was like, I don't know why I would 1279 01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:39.159 do that. Why would I make it harder for God 1280 01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:40.960 to put all the pieces back together once I die? 1281 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:43.520 And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, when you die, 1282 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:46.399 your body doesn't go with you. Your body stays here, 1283 01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:48.880 your soul goes up. Wait do you think you're gonna 1284 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:51.520 have like this body? You're gonna look like you when 1285 01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:53.439 you go there. He's like, well yeah, And I'm like, wait, 1286 01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:56.560 where in the book does it say that? Show me 1287 01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.640 anywhere where it says that. Well, I mean, it's just 1288 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:01.560 the way it's gonna work. I was like, who told 1289 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:05.079 you this? It's the way it's gonna be. And I'm like, oh, okay, 1290 01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:10.239 that's sure. That's a thing. So I didn't know that 1291 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:12.760 was a whole Catholic ideology. I just thought that was 1292 01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:17.359 a hymn being a hymn thing. So this is, uh, 1293 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:19.560 that's a thing. And I knew that the Jews weren't 1294 01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:24.640 allowed to do like a cremation that. If anything, the 1295 01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:26.960 whole burial rights of the jew is how we even 1296 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.279 got the shrouded touring from Jesus and like the burial 1297 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:31.439 tombs and all these things. Lazarus was in a tomb, Like, 1298 01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.319 there's there's an order of precedence to this, And I 1299 01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.119 know there's gonna be some people that say that they 1300 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:39.520 adopted that from Egypt when they were there, and it's like, dude, 1301 01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:43.039 the Jewish culture predates that. It's it's not the same conversation. 1302 01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:45.520 But yeah, people like to look at these things and 1303 01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:48.439 pretend like they're comparing apples to apples. I get it. 1304 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:49.960 And as a matter of fact, we were having a 1305 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:52.319 conversation about that today with Cosmic Peach. We shot an 1306 01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:55.520 episode with her this morning. We were talking about burial 1307 01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.560 practices from different cultures around the world and it's actually 1308 01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:02.079 really fascinating to look at like without any biases, right, 1309 01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:08.119 just no biases from ourselves whatsoever. Certain cultures believe in cremation, 1310 01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:11.159 just outright right, Like the Greeks and the Romans, they 1311 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:17.840 did funeral pyres cut two egypt Semitic religions, Hell Zoroastrians 1312 01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:21.439 even they don't believe in funeral pyres and they worship fire, right, 1313 01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.920 they bring their dead to the Towers of Silence and 1314 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:26.600 they set them on top of a roof, on top 1315 01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:29.199 of this tall tower so they can rot naturally, and 1316 01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:32.720 it's like a whole thing. There's no funeral details with it, 1317 01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:35.239 but they're also forbidden to touch dead things, and there's 1318 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:37.439 this other stuff to it. Then you look at like 1319 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:41.560 certain Native American tribes who alle hundred percent did cremation 1320 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.000 and funeral pyres. Then you cut to the Mayans, who 1321 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:49.840 did a very specific way of not I wouldn't sa mummification, 1322 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:52.319 but we could say body preservation, and they did them 1323 01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:53.960 in these bags and they would set the bodies in 1324 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:56.439 this fetal position. It was a whole thing. It is 1325 01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:00.640 very fascinating to look at the burial practices, or I 1326 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:04.039 say burial loosely, let's just say how to dispose of 1327 01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:08.039 a dead person's body. Put that to the overarching theme. 1328 01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:11.399 It is very interesting to look at how that changes 1329 01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:16.760 culture to culture, especially with neighboring cultures. But yeah, go ahead, zombie, 1330 01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:19.399 I I say, raven Lee, I know you have something 1331 01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:21.760 to say on this. You being the anthropologist and all. 1332 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:24.840 Well, actually, I I have a question for hard Gie. 1333 01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.760 I was sitting here thinking about like how does that 1334 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:33.199 work with like byproducts, so like can you receive other 1335 01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:37.199 people's blood? Can you give blood? Because like blood is 1336 01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:41.039 such like a deeply you know that that if you 1337 01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:43.479 want to talk about anything, Yeah, blood. 1338 01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:45.479 Is life, so like could you receive that? 1339 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:48.560 Like I mean, and then I know this is really 1340 01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:52.199 random and like kind of gross, but like there's fecal transplant, 1341 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:55.560 Like can you receive that from somebody? Could you get 1342 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.319 Like I'm just really like I'm kind of I mean, 1343 01:17:58.359 --> 01:17:59.359 I knew about. 1344 01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:01.680 Like some things, but I'm just like, huh. 1345 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:04.840 That's and then the whole theory, like the conspiracy theory 1346 01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:06.920 that if you have donor on your license that like 1347 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:10.159 they'll kill you to be able to get your organs. 1348 01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:12.479 I don't know anybody, And when I was doing my 1349 01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.439 like when I was an EMT and did my EMT stuff, like, 1350 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:19.520 I never looked at anyone's license. I was just concerned 1351 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:23.439 about making sure the person lives. So that's always been 1352 01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:26.039 an interesting conspiracy theory. A lot of people always bring 1353 01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.199 that up about the donor stuff. 1354 01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:31.399 No good question about blood so please. 1355 01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:34.880 I agree. So so as far as. 1356 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:39.720 Blood, as far as I know, is fine to give 1357 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.239 and to be given too, so there should there's there's 1358 01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:45.399 not a problem with that because I think that's one 1359 01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:49.239 of those things that's replenishable as opposed to you're not 1360 01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:51.159 going to grow a different kidney. They're not going to 1361 01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:55.079 grow a different I don't know they name another organ 1362 01:18:55.119 --> 01:19:00.760 that we give out. So as far as the I 1363 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.840 think that's how it goes. As far I've never had 1364 01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:06.920 I used to donate blood all the time because I'm 1365 01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:12.520 all positive. Uh so, I you know, they enjoyed my blood. 1366 01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:17.560 Because so if you're doing something to save someone's life, 1367 01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:18.760 I think that that's fine. 1368 01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:22.399 Plenty of people, I mean plenty. 1369 01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:25.760 Of juice go to the hospitals every single day that 1370 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:27.239 need something. 1371 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:34.800 So that would be as far as that it's internal 1372 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:36.880 and you're doing it probably for. 1373 01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:47.319 The you're cutting out on his roy ah man, do 1374 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:55.520 we lose them? Sorry, Harry, Yeah, we can hear you, brother, sure. 1375 01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:59.119 Sorry, a bad part of the mountains. 1376 01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:03.079 As far as the Fegal transport, I would I would 1377 01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:06.520 assume that that should be fine also because it's all 1378 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:10.920 about receiving good bacteria, so that you can survive from 1379 01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:14.159 what the basic law is that you can if you 1380 01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:16.159 can do something or if you need to do something 1381 01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:19.520 in order to survive or to help someone to survive, 1382 01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:26.279 that takes precedents because that's how valuable God treats human life. 1383 01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:30.800 So anything that we can do to save ourselves and 1384 01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:34.079 save other people. Now, then you get to these wonderful 1385 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:36.600 questions on well, all right, well, if you can either 1386 01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:39.880 kill one person or five, like obviously these are not 1387 01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:43.600 my kinds of questions, and I will I have zero 1388 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:49.359 desire to try to eat to like that. Morality questions 1389 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:54.640 sometimes are not not easy or for this scope. But yeah, 1390 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:59.399 basically if you can, if you can save someone's life 1391 01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.039 and you can save of you'r and saved your own life, 1392 01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:07.520 that takes pressing. And then randomly there was actually one 1393 01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:12.800 Jew in history that actually got bummified. 1394 01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:16.640 Really like Egyptian mummified. 1395 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:24.159 Yes, who actually said it says very very specifically in 1396 01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:28.159 the in the Torah. I believe it was. They want 1397 01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:30.840 to say Jacob because he traveled down. 1398 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:37.079 Joseph. I think if I'm bad at this on one 1399 01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:38.079 about that, but. 1400 01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:40.640 Basically, now you said the tourus would be in the 1401 01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:41.439 first five. 1402 01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:44.960 Books correct, So not so it was either Jacob or Joseph. 1403 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:51.079 I don't. I don't remember. I don't remember either, because no, 1404 01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:51.760 it wasn't. 1405 01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:55.760 It wasn't just Joseph, because it was his father, because 1406 01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:58.720 he said, please mummify me that way, because he wanted 1407 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:03.920 to be buried in Israel in the Cave of Mala 1408 01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:08.000 with his with his father's so in order to preserve him, 1409 01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:11.880 he was also momified. 1410 01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:17.880 How interesting I'm trying to think, I'm I honestly don't 1411 01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:21.840 even know how Jacob died, like as far as the 1412 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:24.279 story goes and all of that. I actually just was 1413 01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:26.840 talking about that earlier today too. If I'm not mistaken. 1414 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:30.079 One of Jacob's descendants became the Samaritans, right, So I 1415 01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:32.960 mean it as a whole whole thing about that. But 1416 01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:37.800 it's wow, So Jacob's dad, no. 1417 01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:46.720 I think, yes, So thank you very much. 1418 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:51.760 Hold on, that doesn't sound right. 1419 01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:56.479 It doesn't sound right. I can't tell you the burial 1420 01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:58.680 practices of the Prophets, you know what I mean. So 1421 01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:02.479 I don't know. But of all the things, why would 1422 01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:06.239 they go for an Egyptian burial? That that's wild to me? 1423 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:07.000 I mean body. 1424 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:10.600 Preservation preserve well also know. 1425 01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:14.000 Another idea is that a someone who is a sid 1426 01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:19.359 or a righteous person, their body does not decompose, so. 1427 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:21.000 Like they didn't want He didn't. 1428 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:23.960 Want to be worshiped as a deity because his body 1429 01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:24.880 didn't decompose. 1430 01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:33.000 Interesting, all right, you learned something new every day, so 1431 01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:36.159 this is just kind of new information to me. Honestly, 1432 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:38.640 I'm reading into the chat here, and you know what, 1433 01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:41.640 can I just take a second and say thank you 1434 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:44.960 all of you for being adults who know your blood type. 1435 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:50.159 I'm it shocks me how many people, actual adults, not 1436 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:53.640 just like nineteen year olds, but like full fledged adults 1437 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:57.520 who don't know their blood type. That that bothers me. 1438 01:23:57.600 --> 01:23:59.520 And they just they don't know. They know they're social 1439 01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:02.039 Security number, but they don't know that. And it's like, wait, 1440 01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:06.000 how do you not. It's not even something like well 1441 01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:09.039 I never learned it, bro read your medical records. Just 1442 01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:12.079 it's it's right there. It's not like it's a secret 1443 01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:15.279 and you might need to know that one day it 1444 01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:16.760 kills me. I don't know. 1445 01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:19.800 By the way, it was, it was Joseph So in 1446 01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:21.039 La Tourah, Joseph So. 1447 01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:25.199 Joseph was embalmed and placed in Egyptian coffin with the 1448 01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:29.880 promise that his bones would be taken to Canaan or 1449 01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:32.920 Israel bias people. While Jacob was also involved with there 1450 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:38.720 is no mention of coffin. So both Jacob and Joseph 1451 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:41.439 were embalmed and Mamma. 1452 01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.239 Five Joseph, which Joseph is this there's a few of 1453 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:46.079 them in the book. 1454 01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:49.680 Uh, So we're talking about my Joseph, not you're Joseph. 1455 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:52.079 That's all I'm asking, Like, who is he the son 1456 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:57.840 of or the father of? Yes, yes, Jacob's son Joseph. 1457 01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:01.760 If you went to Egypt to bec I'm a hill 1458 01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:04.800 than all of his other brothers and his father had 1459 01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:07.239 to come down when there was a famine. Yeah, they're 1460 01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:08.680 all in Egypt for a little while. 1461 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:13.039 Yes, yes, Oh my god, Joseph in the many colored cloak, 1462 01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:16.880 that's what we're talking about. That's David. That's Joseph. 1463 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:20.119 Nod No, No, Joseph as Joseph. 1464 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:20.920 Yeah, not David. 1465 01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:23.399 And David's like what three hundred years later? 1466 01:25:23.479 --> 01:25:26.000 Maybe I didn't mean King David. I'm thinking there's more 1467 01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:28.760 than one David. Okay, So Joseph he was his dad 1468 01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:31.239 gave him favor gave him a cloak. His brothers got pissed, 1469 01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:33.920 sold him into slavery and long stories. He ended up 1470 01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:36.960 handling the finances of Egypt, so that would make sense 1471 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.119 why he was buried in the proper Egyptian way. Okay, 1472 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:43.399 I'm with you now, God It, dude, I need to 1473 01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:46.520 do more digging into the OT I really, I mean, 1474 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:49.600 I know the stories and stuff, but man, I really 1475 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:51.800 need to reread some of these things. Honestly, I've been 1476 01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:54.640 digging more into the Gospels here lately, but the Old 1477 01:25:54.640 --> 01:25:58.640 Testament has so much fascinating history behind it all. Anyway, 1478 01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:02.239 I digress. Yeah, and Royce, please let us know more 1479 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.079 about uh when you find out more about the the 1480 01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:09.159 ins and outs of the whole organ donating versus organ receiving. 1481 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:13.640 How is a pig heart? Okay, I'm also very curious 1482 01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:15.800 about that. I understand it's too like save your life. 1483 01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:19.359 I get that, But like of all things, the bovine valve, 1484 01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:22.079 I could see nobody really having an issue with it's 1485 01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:24.560 a cow. Everybody's cool with that. Not the Hindi's obviously, 1486 01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:26.560 but like for the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians, 1487 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.920 why not. It's cool. A pig valve I thought would 1488 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:34.079 be like haram as as hell for the I don't 1489 01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:36.359 know that the Jewish word for forbidden. I don't mean 1490 01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:39.079 to you. See what I'm saying, sir, So. 1491 01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:46.680 User as u r acer, Yeah, okay, is prohibited? 1492 01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:49.319 Okay, So I thought a pig valve would be aucer 1493 01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:49.760 as hell. 1494 01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:50.159 Dude. 1495 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:52.359 But like I, I'm not a Jew. I don't be 1496 01:26:52.439 --> 01:26:55.560 knowing the thing. So please do some digging on that 1497 01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:56.199 and let us know. 1498 01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:59.920 Uh yeah, I'll try to get next by by next week. 1499 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:02.920 Absolutely, go ahead, Raven, your hand is raised. 1500 01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:07.880 I'm curious. I know this is I just I don't 1501 01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:09.760 know much about the Jewish faith. 1502 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.439 I mean I've I've watched some stuff, but like I 1503 01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:15.279 don't know a lot about it. But what is the 1504 01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:20.079 views on like doing IVF or like you know, like 1505 01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:22.199 is there can you have? 1506 01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:25.640 Like yes? I guess so yeah. 1507 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:27.960 The reason why I know that yes is because I've 1508 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:31.960 had friends that have used them. I have also have 1509 01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:36.840 a good friend who had her eggs frozen, So yes, 1510 01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:38.039 on both accounts. 1511 01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:40.720 Why I don't know, I'm. 1512 01:27:41.399 --> 01:27:44.520 To make more Jews, so anything to make Jewish babies 1513 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:46.600 is okay by them. I could see that. 1514 01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:49.960 Orange Jews, Apple Jews, you. 1515 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:50.720 Know, yep. 1516 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.680 Also to the burial stuff, like I dropped the because 1517 01:27:56.680 --> 01:27:59.439 that me and Tony were talking about the South Africa 1518 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:01.960 is someone that I showed you a couple weeks ago 1519 01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:06.960 about the new information coming out about the burial rights 1520 01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:10.800 for like who they believe the cradle of faith and 1521 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:15.159 stuff for that area in South Africa. But that's I 1522 01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:18.399 think that's really fascinating, the different barrieral rights around the 1523 01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:22.199 world and how they've changed or stayed the same through 1524 01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:28.199 so much history. I always find just all of that fascinating. 1525 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:31.319 Absolutely. Matter of fact, let's read a little bit of this. 1526 01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:35.359 The Homo n lady or no laddie. I'm not sure 1527 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.760 we're burying their dead at least one hundred thousand years 1528 01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:41.880 before humans. Now that's interesting. This would be one of 1529 01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:46.960 our evolutionary predecessors, if we are to believe in that 1530 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:50.079 style of evolution. But let's see here, some twenty five 1531 01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:53.279 miles out of Johannesburg, South Africa, there is a famous 1532 01:28:53.800 --> 01:29:00.039 paleonanthropical yep sight known as the Cradle of Humankind. So 1533 01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:03.319 any hominin bones were found in the region that it 1534 01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:07.199 was designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site in nineteen ninety nine. 1535 01:29:07.640 --> 01:29:10.279 Among the many limestone caves in the region is the 1536 01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:14.439 Rising Star Cave, where the caverns discovered fossil. Yet the 1537 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:20.760 caverns discovered fossil representing a new hominin species, Homoni lady. 1538 01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:26.399 In twenty fifteen, only Hlady homon ladies remains were found 1539 01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:29.079 in the cave, suggesting the possibility that the bodies have 1540 01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:32.800 been placed there deliberately, although this hypothesis proved to be 1541 01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:36.640 a bit controversial. Now the same expedition team has announced 1542 01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:41.560 the discovery of the Nilaiti bodies deposited in fetal positions, 1543 01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:47.000 indicating intentional burials. Now that's fascinating. This predates the earliest 1544 01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:49.760 known burials by Homo sapiens by at least one hundred 1545 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:53.199 thousand years, suggesting that brain size might not be the 1546 01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:56.880 definitive factor behind such complex behavior. The team also found 1547 01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:59.600 crosshatched symbols engraved on the walls of the cave that 1548 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:02.960 could as far back as two thousand and forty one 1549 01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:05.960 or two hundred and forty one thousand to three hundred 1550 01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:09.800 and thirty five thousand years, although testing is still ongoing, 1551 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:14.760 so we're talking about realistically, over a quarter million years ago, 1552 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.800 they were doing deliberate burial styles and doing carvings, which 1553 01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:22.880 would not necessarily indicate some sort of a religion, but 1554 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:28.560 more than likely some sort of burial practices which do 1555 01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:32.159 typically tie into some sort of spirituality or religion, which 1556 01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:37.039 is wow. Taken together, the discoveries provide evidence of a 1557 01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:40.640 major cognitive step in human evolution in terms of mortuary 1558 01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:44.560 practices and meaning making. The team described these new findings 1559 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:48.119 during a virtual press conference in a in three new 1560 01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:54.560 pre prints posted to the bioerxiv rx iv, which will 1561 01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:59.199 be published later this year in the journal eLife. Quote here, 1562 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:02.640 I think we are facing a remarkable discovery here of 1563 01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:06.079 hominids with brains a third the size of living humans 1564 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:11.079 and slightly larger than chimpanzees burying their dead, something previously 1565 01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:14.520 only found in large brain hominids, as well as etching 1566 01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:18.640 meaning making symbols on the wall, says Lee Berger, a 1567 01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:25.119 pale paleothropologist in the National Geographic Explorer in Residents who 1568 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:28.159 leads the Rising Star project. Back to the quote, this 1569 01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:31.039 would mean not only are humans not unique in the 1570 01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:34.960 development of symbolic practices, but they may not even have 1571 01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:41.800 invented such behaviors. Wow, it says here that, oh Jesus, naturally. 1572 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:46.159 There are skeptics. For instance, Maria Marnton Torres, director of 1573 01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:49.640 Spain's National Research Center for Human Evolution, told The New 1574 01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:52.960 York Times that such speculations were premature based on the 1575 01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:58.880 evidence presented so far, suggesting that funerary caching cashing. Yeah, 1576 01:31:59.039 --> 01:32:03.600 funerary caching was a more likely scenario than burials. Hypotheses 1577 01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:05.960 need to be built on what we have, not what 1578 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:08.239 we guess. She said, Isn't that the entire point of 1579 01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:12.119 a hypothesis is an educated guess. I don't know. Still, 1580 01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.039 I think the possibility of having funerary caching with the 1581 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:19.079 antiquity is already stunning. So she's not saying that this 1582 01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:22.680 isn't this isn't a real thing. She's just saying that 1583 01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:26.319 they're kind of being premature in what they're guestimating about 1584 01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.960 what these things could mean. The story of homeown a 1585 01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:34.159 Daily technically begins millions of years ago with the Cradles 1586 01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:38.000 network of limestone caves, first formed, as Lydia Pine wrote 1587 01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:43.720 for Ours Ars into twenty eighteen, caves in that area 1588 01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:48.399 of South Africa form a water paracolates I guess through 1589 01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:52.640 the cracks and fissures of the region's domolite dolomite excuse 1590 01:32:52.680 --> 01:32:55.479 me rock and slowly erodes the rock away, forming underground 1591 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:58.920 caverns of all shapes and sizes. As water flows through 1592 01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:02.640 these caves, it leads behind posits of calcium carbonates easily 1593 01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:07.399 recognizable as concrete, hard brakiaz or sheet like deposits of 1594 01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:11.960 flowstone found along cave walls in the Rising Star Cave system. 1595 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:15.960 This resulted in a network of chambers, including those where 1596 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:21.560 researchers have recovered Homone Lady fossils. Recreational cavers have been 1597 01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:25.439 exploring parts of the Rising Star system since the nineteen sixties, 1598 01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:29.640 but Berger hired a team of cavers in twenty thirteen 1599 01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:32.640 to survey the cave more thoroughly and to map out 1600 01:33:32.680 --> 01:33:36.479 any chambers with potentially significant fossils. The team included Rick 1601 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:40.119 Hunter and Stephn Tucker, who used a nineteen eighty five 1602 01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:43.199 map to guide their explorations. The duo managed to worm 1603 01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:46.640 their weight through a previously unmapped slot just eighteen centimeters 1604 01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:50.439 wide and found themselves in one of the cave's chambers. There, 1605 01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:54.159 they saw a treasure trove of fossilized bones is a 1606 01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:57.560 quote here. When we first saw the mandible, we thought 1607 01:33:57.760 --> 01:33:59.680 maybe this was the last guy that came down the 1608 01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:02.159 chain and didn't make it out, Hunter told Ars in 1609 01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:07.479 twenty eighteen, the reality was potentially much more significant. Excited 1610 01:34:07.479 --> 01:34:10.039 by the discovery, Berger hired an additional team of six 1611 01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:14.279 women with both scientific and caving experiences to excavate the site, 1612 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:18.720 using two picks and sometimes even porcupine quills, among other tools. 1613 01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:22.199 The entire three week excavation played out live on Twitter. 1614 01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:25.079 These are not easy sites to access. In fact, the 1615 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.279 shoot elaborate the long one portion of the route to 1616 01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:33.640 the dun a lady chamber is known as Superman's crawl 1617 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:36.439 because most cavers can only manage to squeeze through by 1618 01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:39.119 extending one arm above the head while holding the other 1619 01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:42.239 tied against the body. It's basically a narrow, vertical, twelve 1620 01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:45.960 meter long chimney with an average width of twenty centimeters, 1621 01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:47.920 which is about seven point nine inches. 1622 01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:48.840 Wow. 1623 01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:50.760 Okay, this is a really really long article. I'm not 1624 01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:53.800 going to read all of it, but essentially what they're 1625 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:56.039 saying is, and this is if I'm sure they're going 1626 01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:58.359 to do some carbon dating. I'm sure there's going to 1627 01:34:58.399 --> 01:35:00.920 be a lot more studies to go along with, but 1628 01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:07.039 this would show like actual forethought given to funerary rights 1629 01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:14.000 and again arguably religious practices being conducted over a quarter 1630 01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:19.119 million years ago. That's pretty incredible. Wow. 1631 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:24.760 Yeah. I don't think gymps bury their dead or seem 1632 01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:28.760 to do much with them, but human religion probably evolved 1633 01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:31.479 from what to do with people when they die, and 1634 01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:35.760 that's how ancestor worship came into existence, and some of 1635 01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:40.039 these ancestors were deified. So that's a running theory and 1636 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:42.920 I think it's a pretty good one. As for carbon dating, 1637 01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:45.920 this is a kind of a nerdy topic, but carbon 1638 01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:49.119 fourteen has a half life of seven thousand years, so 1639 01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:52.600 if these if these samples are more than ten carbon 1640 01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:55.239 half lives old, you probably wouldn't even use carbon. You'd 1641 01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:57.800 probably use something else. And I don't know what that 1642 01:35:57.840 --> 01:35:58.159 would be. 1643 01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:03.560 Yeah, fossilized bones. These are rocks at this point, Like, 1644 01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:05.199 I don't even know what kind of carbon you would 1645 01:36:05.239 --> 01:36:10.840 be looking at in this if they are Yeah, wow, But. 1646 01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:12.600 Yeah, I watched a video on this. It's really hard 1647 01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:15.960 to get in that chamber because you can see a 1648 01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:18.520 map of it in the video, but nobody's been in 1649 01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:22.439 there for a long time anyway. Now I'm talking about 1650 01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:27.000 stuff though a slightly different topic. You know, one thing 1651 01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:30.239 that came that started really pissing me off, and I'm 1652 01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:32.960 and I'm I hate this because, you know, my friend 1653 01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:37.279 went through so much losing losing their child. So many 1654 01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:42.760 people were telling telling them and and our group that well, 1655 01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:45.479 this is God's will and God is going to have, 1656 01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:47.560 you know, some way to make up for this. And 1657 01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:50.239 I just thought I would never tell somebody this is 1658 01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:53.119 God's will, you know, if they've gone through a tragedy. 1659 01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:57.479 I don't think God wills stuff like that. But stuff 1660 01:36:57.560 --> 01:37:01.039 like that happens by accident or negligent answer, you know, 1661 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:05.239 just by accident. It's not a question of God wanting 1662 01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:08.239 it to happen. Do you have any thoughts on that? 1663 01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:13.039 Yeah, so all right, when you say it's God's will, 1664 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:16.760 I don't believe that God, the God that I worship, anyway, 1665 01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:21.800 deals with dice or plays in chance, or makes mistakes 1666 01:37:22.079 --> 01:37:26.640 or has accidents. I'm personally not of that belief. Yeah, 1667 01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:28.840 human error is a thing, but I also believe that's 1668 01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:31.199 all predetermined as well. I believe in free will, but 1669 01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:35.199 I also believe in determination and destiny. I believe they work. 1670 01:37:35.880 --> 01:37:39.880 They work in an intertwined type of scenario. But that's 1671 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.279 that's a very very very convoluted and philosophical conversation, which 1672 01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:44.920 I mean, I guess this is getting and ready to 1673 01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:48.880 get that way. But it depends on if somebody can 1674 01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:52.000 find peace and solace in the fact that it was 1675 01:37:52.039 --> 01:37:55.920 God's plan for this to happen, not to them. See, 1676 01:37:55.960 --> 01:37:59.840 that's it depends on how it's contextualized, right, if you 1677 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:02.439 look at it that way, than anything that's ever happened 1678 01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:07.319 period happened to a person rather than just happened and 1679 01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:10.680 a person was a part of it. And it's not 1680 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:14.039 a fun conversation. It's the same way of like, you know, 1681 01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:16.119 some people are born with a silver spoon in their 1682 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:20.119 mouth and some people are born with cancer like already 1683 01:38:20.119 --> 01:38:23.279 as a baby, both of which are equally a part 1684 01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:25.680 of God's plan. Whether we understand that or not. That's 1685 01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:27.560 one of the great mysteries. Why do some people get 1686 01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:29.880 hooked up and why do some people get screwed right 1687 01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:32.800 out the gate? It's not fair, But no one ever 1688 01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:34.800 said that life was going to be fair. It's not 1689 01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:38.600 fun or comfortable, but it's still true. But it's like, uh, 1690 01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:42.000 in Heaven forbid, if I was to suffer some sort 1691 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:45.840 of tragedy like that, I would personally take solace in 1692 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.119 the fact that God saw fit to bless me to 1693 01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:52.000 be a father for the amount of time that I was. 1694 01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:56.439 I also, to bring this up even further, Josh Monday, 1695 01:38:56.720 --> 01:39:00.000 who does two different shows on the Cult to Conspiracy 1696 01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:03.279 right on Sundays and Wednesdays, he just lost his child. 1697 01:39:03.800 --> 01:39:06.279 And when I reached out to him and expressed all 1698 01:39:06.359 --> 01:39:09.479 my condonances and all of this, he said, hey, man, 1699 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:11.840 it's all good. He's with this heavenly Father, which is 1700 01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:13.840 a way better father than I could have ever been 1701 01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:16.880 for him. Right, And like, he didn't say that in 1702 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:21.000 a sad way. He was saying that honestly and truthfully, 1703 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:25.159 and he found solace in that. But at the same time, 1704 01:39:25.279 --> 01:39:28.279 I could understand why somebody would be very emotional and 1705 01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:30.960 jaded and hurt in that moment and hearing that it 1706 01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:34.199 was God's will would actually make them spurn against God. 1707 01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:37.520 In that sense, it really depends on the person and 1708 01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:40.359 depends on the faith, And there's so many different levels 1709 01:39:40.359 --> 01:39:44.159 to that you know, but I understand absolutely say it. 1710 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:47.600 I hope it wasn't meant as a well, I guess 1711 01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:50.079 that was God's plan, Like, don't be a dick, you 1712 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:52.680 know what I'm saying, But like if it was given 1713 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:59.640 in a sense of true love, of like this was sad. 1714 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:01.520 Of course you're going to mourn the loss of your 1715 01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:04.439 child one hundred percent, but you should take solace in 1716 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:08.079 knowing that this child will never experience pain again. He'll 1717 01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:10.800 never experience the hardships of this life. Yes, he may 1718 01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:14.800 may never also experience the joys and the amazing things 1719 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:18.000 life has to offer. But at the same time, he 1720 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:20.359 is now with his heavenly Father, and we should take 1721 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:23.880 joy in that. Right. As Christians, we should be looking 1722 01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:26.600 forward to death, not be afraid of it, and say, 1723 01:40:26.680 --> 01:40:30.479 that's what I'm saying. It's a very difficult philosophical conversation 1724 01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:32.239 I have for sure. 1725 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.960 Art, So may I chime in for a quick second. 1726 01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:42.199 Yeah, so, as far as the death of a child, 1727 01:40:42.359 --> 01:40:44.079 we do not know the reason. 1728 01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:47.439 Ultimately, Jacob, you believe. 1729 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:51.560 Very similarly to what you do, and that everything that 1730 01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:56.600 happens God wills it or like so, and the different 1731 01:40:57.319 --> 01:40:58.479 the idea of. 1732 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:03.079 Free Like what is free will? And that's it. That's 1733 01:41:03.119 --> 01:41:06.920 a huge other topic. But like, there was a story 1734 01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:07.960 that I read once. 1735 01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:12.439 And and basically to where there was this couple that 1736 01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:18.520 lost a three year old's child, and like the mother 1737 01:41:18.640 --> 01:41:21.640 was like in consolable up until I guess there was 1738 01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:24.279 like a dream where the child came back to her 1739 01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:28.159 or if you visited, except that wasn't a child at 1740 01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:30.880 that point. Basically, what it needed to happen is that 1741 01:41:31.399 --> 01:41:34.920 for some reason, this stage of this person needed to 1742 01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:38.399 be reincarnated for a certain amount of time, and. 1743 01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:43.760 Once their time was up, then that child died, but 1744 01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:49.760 the soul which was reincarnated was then able to ascend 1745 01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:53.760 to heaven because we don't we don't know the status 1746 01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:56.000 of that soul, especially. 1747 01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:59.039 Of someone who is so young. 1748 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:03.359 Yeah, and that's it. I didn't know the Jews believed 1749 01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:06.119 in reincarnation until you told me that. By the way, 1750 01:42:06.239 --> 01:42:11.079 that blows my mind. But there are examples of prophets 1751 01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:15.000 coming back through people, and I understand why that is 1752 01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:18.600 a talking point for sure. But and again, if that, 1753 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:22.119 if that is what gave that mother solace in that time, 1754 01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:24.399 then like, hey, who am I to tell her that 1755 01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:27.239 she's incorrect, you know what I mean. I get that 1756 01:42:27.479 --> 01:42:30.159 for sure, But Tony, I hope I answered that question 1757 01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:31.640 without signing like a complete asshole. 1758 01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:36.039 Yeah you did. I hope they took it the best way. 1759 01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:38.800 I don't really know. They seem to be okay with it, 1760 01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:41.920 and they seem to be saying similar things. But I 1761 01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:45.199 know I would not react well if somebody told me 1762 01:42:45.279 --> 01:42:46.279 that in that situation. 1763 01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:52.880 I so a little bit of a backstory with me. 1764 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:56.239 Me and my ex wife miscarried our first time, right, 1765 01:42:56.319 --> 01:42:59.439 which I understand the like, what was there statistics like 1766 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:02.920 ninety five percent of women miscarry their first go round 1767 01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:05.439 and it's just like unviable and all these things, and 1768 01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:07.640 most just think it's like a late period. They don't 1769 01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:09.920 even realize it was a miscarriage. And all the things 1770 01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:12.760 I read, all the literature and all this stuff. At 1771 01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:16.439 that time, I was already struggling with my faith. I 1772 01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:19.640 was this is what kind of led me to what 1773 01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:22.800 I call my season of doubt, when I turned away 1774 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:27.159 from Christianity as a whole and started digging into every 1775 01:43:27.239 --> 01:43:29.199 other religion that I could get my hands on. But 1776 01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:34.159 this is what began that for me, and I felt 1777 01:43:34.159 --> 01:43:36.800 like God had taken my child from me and all 1778 01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:40.279 these things, and I was so angry and I cursed 1779 01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:44.079 against God and all of these things. Right, but I 1780 01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:46.600 never stopped to think, hey, bro, maybe you weren't ready 1781 01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:49.199 to be a dad yet, Like, maybe there's a reason 1782 01:43:49.239 --> 01:43:52.439 why it miscarried rather than it was stillborn or whatever 1783 01:43:52.479 --> 01:43:54.239 the case was. And I'm not saying that that is 1784 01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:56.640 the case for other people. This is Jacob speaking on 1785 01:43:56.720 --> 01:44:01.399 behalf of Jacob here. But it also took me years 1786 01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:05.279 to come to peace with the fact that life be 1787 01:44:05.359 --> 01:44:08.680 life in you know, and it's never going to be 1788 01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:12.479 according to our plan. We can make all the preparations 1789 01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:14.279 we want, but in the end, curveballs are going to 1790 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:16.600 come our way whether we like it or not. Right, 1791 01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:19.880 But the same way that, for instance, in the Bible, 1792 01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:23.600 job blessed God in the highs and in the lows, 1793 01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:26.439 we are supposed to do the same thing. Now, I'm 1794 01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:30.119 not saying that a miscarriage or a still born or 1795 01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:32.920 the losing of a child should be looked at as 1796 01:44:33.079 --> 01:44:37.960 a test for us, right, that's a very narcissistic way 1797 01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:41.319 of looking at it. However, we also need to acknowledge 1798 01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:45.119 that we are being tested every single day, in small 1799 01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:48.199 ways and in large ways, and we should always be 1800 01:44:48.239 --> 01:44:51.880 putting our best foot forward because we are supposed to 1801 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:54.800 be that way. We're supposed to be, as we were 1802 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:59.800 just told to be waiting with our lamps ready rather 1803 01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:02.319 than sleeping on the job. Right. We are always supposed 1804 01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:04.640 to be acting as that the Lord's coming back tomorrow 1805 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:08.159 or right now, and sometimes we fall short of that, 1806 01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:10.319 and that's okay. There's a reason why the Savior came 1807 01:45:10.399 --> 01:45:12.479 and gave his life and all of these things. But 1808 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:17.720 we also cannot look at the lows and blame others 1809 01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:21.159 or even blame ourselves. Sometimes sometimes it's okay to acknowledge 1810 01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:24.159 that curveballs are going to hit us regardless, and it 1811 01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:27.720 sometimes just our turn to get shit on, you know, 1812 01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:30.000 and something, and that's not fair. It's not fun all 1813 01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:33.119 these things. But that's also not something that we should 1814 01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:36.279 wallow in. We should get through our hard seasons with 1815 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:39.159 as much spirit of joy as we possibly can muster. 1816 01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:41.279 And that's why I believe that having a sense of 1817 01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:43.479 community is also important. When I went into my season 1818 01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:46.640 of doubt, I did not have any kind of real 1819 01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:48.800 community or network that I could fall on, And now 1820 01:45:48.840 --> 01:45:50.920 I mean a religious community or like being plugged into 1821 01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:53.279 your church like, nothing like that. I was just at 1822 01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.800 a really big low point in my life. My marriage 1823 01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:58.199 was failing, my career was failing, had a misk, it 1824 01:45:58.199 --> 01:46:01.359 was a whole whole mess. I was drinking like a fish. 1825 01:46:01.399 --> 01:46:04.000 It was not a good time. So pretty much anything 1826 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:07.840 that happened to me, I thought it was happening to me, right, 1827 01:46:07.920 --> 01:46:10.840 Oh poor me, whan wan wha. And I'm not trying 1828 01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:14.680 to downplay the experiences. But at the same time, my 1829 01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:19.119 perspective was very limited to my current situation, you know 1830 01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:19.600 what I mean. 1831 01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:20.920 And it took me a. 1832 01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:22.880 Long time to step back and look at it from 1833 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:28.479 a different perspective and gain new insights. So when everybody 1834 01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:31.880 or anybody is going through the tough shit, because all 1835 01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:34.279 of us are going to go through the tough shit, 1836 01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:36.439 whatever that may be, it's gonna be different for everybody, 1837 01:46:36.560 --> 01:46:38.720 and not everybody's going to handle the same situation the 1838 01:46:38.760 --> 01:46:42.199 same way. Some people can handle the worst situations with 1839 01:46:42.840 --> 01:46:47.479 grace and with with you know, all of the amazing 1840 01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:50.800 qualities that make you revere somebody. And then you'll see 1841 01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:54.640 somebody who handles a broken nail like it's the actual 1842 01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:56.159 end of the earth, and they don't mean it to 1843 01:46:56.199 --> 01:46:58.159 be dramatic. They mean it to be real, and there's 1844 01:46:58.199 --> 01:47:02.680 all areas in between. But yeah, regardless of what the 1845 01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:05.520 situation is, I believe that we should still praise God, 1846 01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:07.479 we should bless his name, and we should still try 1847 01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:09.520 to do everything we can to bless those around us 1848 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:12.640 as a way to be an inspiration and if anything, 1849 01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:15.960 build the testimony to help people when they get the 1850 01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:18.720 shit on their front step. If that makes sense. 1851 01:47:20.199 --> 01:47:23.439 Yeah, it's just I find it easier to believe God 1852 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:26.960 is good and benevolent if God does not have a 1853 01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:29.039 plan for tons of people to die for no good 1854 01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:31.760 reason at least that I can understand, or to try 1855 01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:33.079 to say that, oh, well, there must have been a 1856 01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:36.039 good reason for this war or this genocide or this 1857 01:47:36.159 --> 01:47:38.439 baby to die. Oh God must have had a reason 1858 01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:38.960 for it. 1859 01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:39.359 You know. 1860 01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:42.840 Maybe maybe God didn't actually want that to happen, but 1861 01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:47.920 it happened because somebody made a mistake of negligence, or 1862 01:47:48.039 --> 01:47:51.319 it was just an accident in some other way. I 1863 01:47:51.319 --> 01:47:54.159 gif a branch falls on somebody. Some people would interpret 1864 01:47:54.199 --> 01:47:56.600 that as God wanted that to happen, or somebody gets 1865 01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:58.680 struck by lightning. I had a neighbor whose brother got 1866 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:01.760 struck and killed by lightning. But I don't believe that 1867 01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:04.640 it was thor striking emor that God wanted him dead. 1868 01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:07.720 It's just now it happens. Sometimes Lightning strikes a lot 1869 01:48:07.760 --> 01:48:09.920 of places on the earth. Normally doesn't hit anyone, but 1870 01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:12.920 every once in a while it's gonna hit somebody, and 1871 01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:17.640 it's just an accident. And you know, if I believed 1872 01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:19.840 in a God that really wanted people to die and 1873 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:22.560 wanted all the horrible things in history that have happened 1874 01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:26.279 to have happened precisely that way, I think I would 1875 01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:29.640 be more likely to blame God for the bad things 1876 01:48:29.680 --> 01:48:32.039 in the world. And the fact that I don't believe 1877 01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:34.800 that makes me think, Okay, maybe it's just an accident, 1878 01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.079 but God will help people through it, or God will 1879 01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:39.359 help people make the best of it. Maybe there's a 1880 01:48:39.439 --> 01:48:42.279 silver lining, like getting to donate the heart valve. That 1881 01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:47.079 doesn't mean that, you know, God actually wanted the bad 1882 01:48:47.119 --> 01:48:49.119 thing to happen, wanted. 1883 01:48:49.119 --> 01:48:51.399 It to happen, or it was a part of the 1884 01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:53.199 plan for it to happen. I feel like that's not 1885 01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:56.439 exactly the same thing, but it might equal the same result. 1886 01:48:57.199 --> 01:48:59.479 I think of it as it's got to be the 1887 01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:01.399 same thing. If it's part of the plan and God 1888 01:49:01.439 --> 01:49:03.760 made the plan, does that mean he wanted it? And 1889 01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:06.600 if people say it's God's will, does that mean he 1890 01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:09.720 wanted it? Will kind of means want. Some people soften 1891 01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:12.319 it just to say, oh, well, God lets bad things happen. 1892 01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:15.520 It's like, okay, well, let's is different from lands it 1893 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:16.520 or wills it. 1894 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:19.760 So let's go further with this. The Garden of Eden. 1895 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:24.640 God didn't want man to fall from grace, but they did. 1896 01:49:25.039 --> 01:49:27.000 I believe that was a part of the plan. But 1897 01:49:27.039 --> 01:49:29.119 I don't believe God wanted that to happen. 1898 01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:35.680 True, But God still made the temptation. Sure, for sure, 1899 01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:38.920 I allowed the temptation because there can't be free will 1900 01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:39.359 without it. 1901 01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:43.399 Exactly exactly Now, he didn't want Eve to eat the 1902 01:49:43.439 --> 01:49:45.640 fruit and Adam and all these things. He didn't want 1903 01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:49.279 them to leave the Garden of Eden. But that's just 1904 01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:50.840 kind of how this works. There has to be a 1905 01:49:50.920 --> 01:49:55.359 harmonic balance. So they made their choices and everything that 1906 01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:58.000 has fallen out after that. Sure, but that wasn't that 1907 01:49:58.079 --> 01:50:01.760 God wanted man to sin, but it was a part 1908 01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:04.319 of the plan in the destiny, if you will for 1909 01:50:04.399 --> 01:50:07.960 that to happen, and that's not fair, But who said 1910 01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:09.960 life was ever going to be fair? God never said that. 1911 01:50:12.800 --> 01:50:15.359 Well, plan and will, in my opinion, they have to 1912 01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:19.119 be synonymous. And maybe maybe my opinion is wrong, maybe 1913 01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:21.960 I haven't thought it through more than that. But if 1914 01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:25.279 God makes a plan, if God scripts everything and we 1915 01:50:25.399 --> 01:50:28.119 just followed the script, are we really responsible for anything? 1916 01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:31.319 I would think that, you know, if free will is 1917 01:50:31.319 --> 01:50:33.319 just an illusion, But I don't believe that. I'm a 1918 01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:35.880 big believer in free will, not in determinism. And that's 1919 01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:37.880 just me because I don't see him as compatible at all. 1920 01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:40.680 Most people tell me that they are compatible, but I 1921 01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:43.800 just don't see a way. Unless some higher dimensional reality 1922 01:50:43.880 --> 01:50:46.640 is real and we're stuck in these three spatial dimensions 1923 01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:49.720 in one time dimension and we're stuck here and we 1924 01:50:49.800 --> 01:50:53.119 just can't see above that, there would have to be 1925 01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:57.000 some you know, God's ways are higher than ours. In 1926 01:50:57.079 --> 01:50:59.239 order to make that make sense, I can't make it 1927 01:50:59.279 --> 01:50:59.720 make sense. 1928 01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:03.119 Have I ever told you my example of my children 1929 01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:03.720 with the stove? 1930 01:51:05.680 --> 01:51:07.600 Maybe maybe not. Let's hear it go. 1931 01:51:08.119 --> 01:51:11.560 This is about the best example I can find as 1932 01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:15.199 far as free will versus determinism, and how they are 1933 01:51:15.239 --> 01:51:17.840 not the same thing but can work in harmony. And 1934 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:21.800 then other people will reap or reap the benefits or 1935 01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:24.119 the punishments for something that they had no part of. 1936 01:51:24.199 --> 01:51:27.199 And that's just how things shake out sometimes. So was 1937 01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:29.680 living in my first trailer, me and my ex wife, 1938 01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:31.800 actually my only trailer now I think about it. I 1939 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:33.279 went straight from the trailer to the house. But long 1940 01:51:33.319 --> 01:51:36.239 story short, my son three years old. I was cooking 1941 01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:38.439 something and he was right next to me, as a 1942 01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:41.319 three year old will be just under your foot, right, 1943 01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:44.439 and I had to turn to do something, and I 1944 01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:47.439 told him, don't touch the stove, right, And he had 1945 01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:49.760 already touched the stove before he knew it was hot. 1946 01:51:49.800 --> 01:51:52.439 He knew he'll get burned. It wasn't like this was 1947 01:51:52.479 --> 01:51:55.000 like the first time ever. He had already done this before. 1948 01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:58.600 So I told him, buddy, don't touch the stove. Oups, 1949 01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:02.199 it's hot, it'll burn you. Right. I turned around. Now 1950 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:06.039 I knew for a fact he was about to touch 1951 01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:09.800 the stove. But unfortunately, some lessons have to be learned 1952 01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:12.039 the hard way, because you can tell them a million 1953 01:52:12.079 --> 01:52:14.720 times don't do it. The second you turn around, they're 1954 01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:17.399 going to do it. So I already knew it, but 1955 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:18.680 he was at a point where it was just going 1956 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:21.479 to do a fingertips, not his whole whatever my point is. 1957 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:24.399 So I turned to do something and I heard I 1958 01:52:24.439 --> 01:52:26.079 heard it. I already knew it was going to happen. 1959 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:31.000 Now pause. I told him the rules. I told him 1960 01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:32.960 as left and right, loatteral limits. And I told him 1961 01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:35.319 what would happen if he did it. And he took 1962 01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:38.720 his own free will and did it anyway right, and 1963 01:52:38.800 --> 01:52:41.600 he got the immediate justice for that. I didn't have 1964 01:52:41.680 --> 01:52:43.479 to punish him. He just got burned, And of course 1965 01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:44.840 I'm going to be there to take care of him 1966 01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:47.600 and all the stuff. Now, let me take this a 1967 01:52:47.600 --> 01:52:49.920 step further, and for the record, I believe that is 1968 01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:53.680 a pretty fair depiction of determinism and free will working 1969 01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:56.600 in unison. I knew what was about to happen, it 1970 01:52:56.680 --> 01:52:59.840 was determined, it was set in stone, but he still 1971 01:53:00.520 --> 01:53:03.640 within his free will to do it. Now, let's go 1972 01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:06.840 to the next step. Unbeknownst to my three year old son, 1973 01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:09.720 his one year old baby sister had just walked up 1974 01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:12.920 behind him. When he touched the stove, he jumped back 1975 01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:16.159 and elbowed her in the nose. Now, my one year 1976 01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:20.000 old daughter has a broken nose. Wrong place, wrong time. 1977 01:53:20.119 --> 01:53:24.560 She did nothing to deserve this except for just was there. Now, 1978 01:53:24.880 --> 01:53:27.520 how is that fair? How is this justified? It wasn't 1979 01:53:27.520 --> 01:53:29.880 a part of what I determined on that front. I'm 1980 01:53:29.880 --> 01:53:32.680 not God as an example. Here's a contrived example. To 1981 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:36.720 bear with me. Now, she is suffering because of the 1982 01:53:36.760 --> 01:53:39.960 actions of someone else's free will, who was doing what 1983 01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:42.880 they weren't supposed to do. Now, how is this justice? 1984 01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:46.680 How is this fair? Sometimes life happens like this, and 1985 01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:50.239 a lot of the time our injustice that we suffer 1986 01:53:50.359 --> 01:53:54.319 is because of someone else misusing their free will. But 1987 01:53:54.600 --> 01:53:57.479 it is all still a part of the plan, whether 1988 01:53:57.520 --> 01:54:01.079 it's a positive or negative. Belie believe that God kind 1989 01:54:01.079 --> 01:54:04.640 of does similar things with us. He's got the plan 1990 01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:07.640 laid out. He knows everything. There's good things that are 1991 01:54:07.680 --> 01:54:10.000 gonna happen, there is bad things that are gonna happen, 1992 01:54:10.760 --> 01:54:12.760 both of them. Yes, if we're gonna really start playing 1993 01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:15.680 the blame game, sure, I guess everything good and bad 1994 01:54:15.680 --> 01:54:18.520 are because of God. But I also don't think that 1995 01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:22.479 it's not for us as humans to assign blame, at 1996 01:54:22.600 --> 01:54:24.800 least not in this kind of context when it comes 1997 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:27.760 to life and stuff like like, yeah, okay, if somebody 1998 01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:30.279 kills somebody, yeah we could assign blame. Sure, that's an 1999 01:54:30.279 --> 01:54:33.039 easy pointing of the finger. But when it comes to 2000 01:54:33.199 --> 01:54:36.079 the big picture of it, the macro of life itself, 2001 01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:40.239 we are but humans. We hell, half of us can't 2002 01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:42.680 even decide what bathroom to use or if the earth 2003 01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:45.479 is flatter around anymore. Some people believe nukes ain't real. 2004 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.399 So how are we gonna start playing the game of 2005 01:54:48.520 --> 01:54:51.239 blaming one side versus the other for the good and 2006 01:54:51.279 --> 01:54:54.560 the bad in this world? It's kind of not up 2007 01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:59.239 for us to decide. I don't know. Maybe I'm completely 2008 01:54:59.279 --> 01:55:02.600 off base in that assumption, but at least that that's 2009 01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:03.880 what makes it make sense to me. 2010 01:55:06.199 --> 01:55:06.560 I don't know. 2011 01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:11.720 The hand raise over here. 2012 01:55:11.720 --> 01:55:17.000 Yeah, I see that, Stephanie, go ahead. Hey, So. 2013 01:55:19.079 --> 01:55:22.039 I love this conversation, and I just wanted to add 2014 01:55:22.079 --> 01:55:26.159 a couple of thoughts. Hopefully I can kind of formulate 2015 01:55:26.199 --> 01:55:30.199 my thoughts, because I really don't know if they're quite formulated. 2016 01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:37.359 But I was recently listening to our buddies, the Nephelum 2017 01:55:37.399 --> 01:55:42.600 Desk Squad, and they had this episode called what is 2018 01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:49.479 the Jew? Kind of hilarious, you know title, but it 2019 01:55:49.600 --> 01:55:55.800 was kind of around this concept about obviously the Jew 2020 01:55:55.840 --> 01:56:02.840 world order, and this guy was basically his his philosophy was, 2021 01:56:03.560 --> 01:56:08.039 we're missing the big picture by arguing over you know, 2022 01:56:08.279 --> 01:56:12.560 Israel and who's in control and you know what creepy, 2023 01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:16.399 what creepy things are doing are being done behind you know, 2024 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:20.439 behind the scenes, we're missing the bigger picture that like 2025 01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:23.640 this is part of God's plan and that God's always 2026 01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:27.640 in control. And so he kind of had this and 2027 01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:33.840 it seemed like a philosophy of just we don't need 2028 01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:38.399 to like, we don't need to worry too much. We 2029 01:56:38.439 --> 01:56:44.920 don't need to stress or fight or try to dismantle 2030 01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:50.319 like the powers that be that God's already got, you know, 2031 01:56:50.359 --> 01:56:54.680 because you know, the God's will will be fulfilled. What 2032 01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:57.359 is written in the Old Testament will come in the 2033 01:56:57.399 --> 01:57:01.000 New Testament, will come to fruition. And so it's kind 2034 01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:05.159 of this same type of debate around you know, God's 2035 01:57:05.199 --> 01:57:10.039 will and uh, you know, destiny and fate and then 2036 01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:13.960 you know absolute chaos and agency and free will. And 2037 01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:19.479 it was just a really really interesting topic because in 2038 01:57:19.520 --> 01:57:21.880 some ways it's like, if you believe in God, if 2039 01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:23.760 you believe in the God of the Old Testament, or 2040 01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:26.760 the or the Tour or the Koran, whoever, the whoever 2041 01:57:26.800 --> 01:57:29.800 you believe in, and you believe in this being that 2042 01:57:29.880 --> 01:57:34.439 has all power, you then have to wrap, uh, you know, 2043 01:57:34.520 --> 01:57:38.880 grapple with this idea of like what Zombie just posted, 2044 01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:42.880 you should put a note about some of the most 2045 01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:47.800 horrific things a person can't experience, and that if these, 2046 01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:51.760 you know, biblical things are God will God's will, then 2047 01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:57.159 then also these individual things are God's will. And a 2048 01:57:57.279 --> 01:58:00.560 question that I heard once on a podcast when I 2049 01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:03.760 was kind of leaving the faith, was this this question 2050 01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:08.319 of if you were God, you know, how would you 2051 01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:13.039 create the world, how would you create a human experience? 2052 01:58:13.079 --> 01:58:19.640 What rules would you implement? And it kind of it 2053 01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:21.800 kind of makes you think, is like, oh, how would 2054 01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:24.640 you create a world? How what rules would you implement? 2055 01:58:25.199 --> 01:58:30.279 You know, how would you protect your children? And I 2056 01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:32.840 don't know if I necessarily had the answer, but I 2057 01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:38.760 do believe that I do believe we're supposed to experience 2058 01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:44.439 some of the most horrific things because they can be 2059 01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:50.239 unfortunately the best teachers, and so I don't know, I 2060 01:58:50.279 --> 01:58:56.479 don't think God's hand is in at all the details 2061 01:58:56.560 --> 01:59:01.039 of our life. I think sometimes he you know, steps 2062 01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:06.079 back and just lets us figure out some shit, if 2063 01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:11.079 that makes sense. I don't think that, you know, God 2064 01:59:11.159 --> 01:59:16.439 takes part in like you know, some some horrific shit 2065 01:59:16.560 --> 01:59:18.119 that that's happening to people. 2066 01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:20.520 I don't think that's like his will. 2067 01:59:21.039 --> 01:59:24.359 I think people are making choices and he'll get you 2068 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:26.479 on the other side when you when you're going through 2069 01:59:26.520 --> 01:59:32.800 that shit, But he's not necessarily like allowing allowing it 2070 01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:37.039 to be. It's kind of like, there has to be chaos, 2071 01:59:37.520 --> 01:59:39.960 there has to be pain, there has to be suffering, 2072 01:59:41.399 --> 01:59:45.159 there has to be grief, because if you don't have pain, 2073 01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:47.960 you don't know what healing feels like if you don't 2074 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:51.840 have And that's the whole point of the adversary, like 2075 01:59:52.039 --> 01:59:56.399 Satan is always doing God's will, or the adversary is 2076 01:59:56.439 --> 02:00:03.520 always doing God's will, because yeah, you know, essentially Satan 2077 02:00:03.640 --> 02:00:07.960 is the great greatest teacher, because if we didn't have 2078 02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:12.520 that negative shit, that darkness and those horrific things, then 2079 02:00:12.640 --> 02:00:18.399 we wouldn't experience the the opposite of that, you know, 2080 02:00:18.479 --> 02:00:22.359 which is love and light and you know, all the 2081 02:00:22.399 --> 02:00:25.560 positive things So those are a couple of thoughts that 2082 02:00:25.600 --> 02:00:29.840 I have, and I don't know if I've quite formulated 2083 02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:30.880 my thoughts, but there you go. 2084 02:00:31.199 --> 02:00:33.640 I hear you one hundred percent. And also, I don't 2085 02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:37.279 believe that it's God letting things happen. People are acting 2086 02:00:37.319 --> 02:00:40.760 on their own free will one hundred percent. And yes, 2087 02:00:40.880 --> 02:00:44.399 whether that is a part of determinism and it's not 2088 02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:46.680 a pretty part of it, I agree with you that 2089 02:00:46.720 --> 02:00:50.199 there has to be harmony. And for every absolute evil, 2090 02:00:50.239 --> 02:00:52.840 there is an absolute good, and there's areas of gray 2091 02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:56.039 and levels to that on all sides of it. I 2092 02:00:56.039 --> 02:00:59.960 don't believe that like Raven just put in a horrible, 2093 02:01:00.279 --> 02:01:02.279 horrible thing that took place, and I would say that 2094 02:01:02.359 --> 02:01:05.199 is one hundred percent true evil, right with you, one 2095 02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:10.079 hundred percent. But it's not God letting the true evil exist. 2096 02:01:10.279 --> 02:01:12.439 It's not like it because that was my big thing too. 2097 02:01:12.479 --> 02:01:15.039 If God is all good and all powerful, how could 2098 02:01:15.079 --> 02:01:19.319 he let so much bad things happen on earth. That's 2099 02:01:19.319 --> 02:01:21.880 not exactly a fair context to put it in. It's 2100 02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:25.000 not God letting it happen. It's kim giving humans free 2101 02:01:25.000 --> 02:01:27.720 will and people acting on the free will to do 2102 02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:30.800 horrible things. Now, yes, could he fix it on a 2103 02:01:30.840 --> 02:01:33.640 second with the snap of his fingers? Of course, will 2104 02:01:33.680 --> 02:01:38.239 he know, because that's not how this goes. And unfortunately 2105 02:01:38.279 --> 02:01:41.520 a lot of really good people suffer in the worst 2106 02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:46.159 ways possible because of it. But it's not God's. It's 2107 02:01:46.199 --> 02:01:48.680 not us blaming God for it. We should be blaming 2108 02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:52.000 the true evil and the ones committing these horrible acts. 2109 02:01:52.399 --> 02:01:54.640 So at least that's where I'm at with it. 2110 02:01:56.159 --> 02:01:59.039 Well, God does. He does let bad things happen, and 2111 02:01:59.079 --> 02:02:01.680 I don't think there's any way to escape that, because 2112 02:02:02.680 --> 02:02:05.720 he could micromanage the universe and just prevent every little 2113 02:02:05.720 --> 02:02:07.960 bad thing from happening, if you want to do like 2114 02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:11.800 you were saying. But he doesn't, so that is, by definition, 2115 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:15.680 letting it happen. I don't think he scripts all the 2116 02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:18.119 bad things. I don't think that all of history has 2117 02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:20.279 been written and all the future has been written, and 2118 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:23.640 that it's all going to unfold a certain predetermined way. 2119 02:02:24.199 --> 02:02:27.479 And that's that's why I'm not a determinist. But one 2120 02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:30.319 last thing is that one way determinists will get around 2121 02:02:30.359 --> 02:02:34.600 this is by arguing that everything that happens is actually good. 2122 02:02:34.720 --> 02:02:38.319 So even that horrible crime where you know a girl 2123 02:02:38.359 --> 02:02:41.000 gets raped in her throat slip for example. Oh well, 2124 02:02:41.159 --> 02:02:44.880 somehow everything that happens is good, and I'm just not 2125 02:02:44.920 --> 02:02:46.840 on board with that. But this is just people have 2126 02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:50.800 to People have to find some way to rationalize. There 2127 02:02:50.840 --> 02:02:54.039 are religious dogmas, I think, and I. 2128 02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:57.239 Find evil though that that's crazy. 2129 02:02:58.520 --> 02:03:03.039 Well people do and well, I don't know, but people 2130 02:03:03.199 --> 02:03:05.680 grappled with this with lots of horrible events. I think 2131 02:03:05.680 --> 02:03:08.239 the Holocaust is probably the biggest one. It's like, why 2132 02:03:08.279 --> 02:03:11.520 did God let that happen? Well, yeah, you can't argue 2133 02:03:11.520 --> 02:03:13.199 that he didn't let it happen, because he did let 2134 02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:19.079 it happen. It's just the result of people making bad decisions. 2135 02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:21.720 People made it happen. God didn't make it happen, but 2136 02:03:21.880 --> 02:03:22.960 he let it happen. 2137 02:03:23.600 --> 02:03:27.239 Right, right, And I mean, now that's a whole other 2138 02:03:27.319 --> 02:03:30.000 example as well, right, because if we didn't have the Holocaust, 2139 02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:32.039 and the nation of Israel would have never been founded. 2140 02:03:32.359 --> 02:03:36.720 And I'm not saying I wouldn't exist. 2141 02:03:38.159 --> 02:03:40.000 Sorry, if I. 2142 02:03:39.960 --> 02:03:41.359 Said I don't know, I said I don't know if 2143 02:03:41.399 --> 02:03:41.680 I can. 2144 02:03:41.600 --> 02:03:45.079 Fully believe or I completely agree with that statement that 2145 02:03:45.119 --> 02:03:46.880 if not for the Holocaust, that the state of Vision 2146 02:03:46.920 --> 02:03:47.560 would have happened. 2147 02:03:47.880 --> 02:03:51.319 Obviously that's the that's the way that it's happened because 2148 02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:53.840 of what happened. But I think that was meant to 2149 02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:57.960 come into fruition regardless. If it wouldn't have been this, 2150 02:03:58.079 --> 02:03:59.560 there would have been another reason. 2151 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:02.840 I don't see it happening from a good place though, 2152 02:04:03.000 --> 02:04:06.760 like it was. Again, this is not me trying to 2153 02:04:06.800 --> 02:04:08.960 take like Tony said, I'm not trying to say, well, 2154 02:04:09.119 --> 02:04:12.159 everything that happens has to be a all ill good No, 2155 02:04:12.319 --> 02:04:15.560 that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that that example, 2156 02:04:15.680 --> 02:04:19.560 like the reason why the entire world basically told the Palestinians, 2157 02:04:19.560 --> 02:04:22.920 hey the Jews live here, now deal with it, was 2158 02:04:23.000 --> 02:04:26.319 because they literally just survived a holocaust, and like whatever 2159 02:04:26.439 --> 02:04:29.479 argument they were about to say was invalid. 2160 02:04:31.359 --> 02:04:32.039 I don't know. 2161 02:04:34.600 --> 02:04:36.079 I think the only thing I'm trying to say is 2162 02:04:36.119 --> 02:04:38.920 that it would have happened regardless that that's how we 2163 02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:40.039 know it in our. 2164 02:04:39.920 --> 02:04:43.199 Reality, because that's what has happened. If not for that, 2165 02:04:44.479 --> 02:04:46.960 it would have happened another way. Because so. 2166 02:04:48.479 --> 02:04:50.439 I think part of the prophecy is that there was 2167 02:04:50.479 --> 02:04:53.000 going to be Atlanta Israel again, So like it was 2168 02:04:53.039 --> 02:04:55.720 already a part of our prophecy. So regardless of how 2169 02:04:55.800 --> 02:04:59.960 that came into truition, it was going to happen regardless. 2170 02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:01.880 I think that's all all that I read to say. 2171 02:05:02.000 --> 02:05:06.600 So if what what, what could have happened had the 2172 02:05:06.640 --> 02:05:07.760 Holocaust happened? 2173 02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:09.039 Who knows? 2174 02:05:09.399 --> 02:05:10.920 Yeah, who knows? 2175 02:05:10.960 --> 02:05:13.920 So that was my that was my only point with it, 2176 02:05:14.439 --> 02:05:14.920 and that's fair. 2177 02:05:14.960 --> 02:05:18.880 I mean geopolitically, there was conversations about moving the Jews 2178 02:05:18.920 --> 02:05:21.840 to an area in that region of the world before 2179 02:05:21.880 --> 02:05:24.479 the Holocaust happened. So I might be completely talking out 2180 02:05:24.479 --> 02:05:27.439 of my ass on that point. I don't know, But yeah, 2181 02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:30.840 to your point, Tony, no, I don't believe that everything, 2182 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:34.600 even the pure evil in the world that's happening, has 2183 02:05:34.720 --> 02:05:37.159 to be done in and all out good because it 2184 02:05:37.239 --> 02:05:39.680 was all a part. Like No, I think that's that's 2185 02:05:39.680 --> 02:05:41.680 not even a cop out at that point, that's just 2186 02:05:42.119 --> 02:05:43.439 sticking your head in the sand. 2187 02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:51.880 Yeah, I really appreciate everyone's opinion on this. This is 2188 02:05:52.079 --> 02:05:55.439 something that's been debated since before Jesus was around. 2189 02:05:56.119 --> 02:05:56.840 I'm immoral. 2190 02:05:56.880 --> 02:06:00.159 It's it's a big it's a big paradox a he 2191 02:06:00.239 --> 02:06:02.720 it's a huge paradox, Like the whole idea about free 2192 02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:05.399 will and do we have do we have free will, 2193 02:06:05.479 --> 02:06:06.920 and how and how does it work? 2194 02:06:09.159 --> 02:06:12.640 The only thing that I have to I guess comment 2195 02:06:12.680 --> 02:06:14.800 on is as we were talking, I was looking up. 2196 02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:19.920 This whole idea and one of the things that said, 2197 02:06:19.960 --> 02:06:22.159 just a small paradraph, said God is be on time 2198 02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:22.720 for him. 2199 02:06:23.239 --> 02:06:26.680 All has already occurred. His knowledge of the future is 2200 02:06:26.720 --> 02:06:28.640 similar to our knowledge of the present. 2201 02:06:29.119 --> 02:06:32.479 That knowledge is not a cause to our deeds, but 2202 02:06:32.520 --> 02:06:33.079 an outcome. 2203 02:06:33.319 --> 02:06:36.399 So too, God cannot help help be responsible. 2204 02:06:36.359 --> 02:06:41.439 For our misdeeds simply because he knew them beforehand. But 2205 02:06:42.520 --> 02:06:44.479 it is a it's it is a paradox has been 2206 02:06:44.520 --> 02:06:48.800 going on for thousands of years, and plenty of theologians 2207 02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:51.520 and philosophers have tried. 2208 02:06:51.279 --> 02:06:54.680 To discuss this whole matter, So it's definitely something to 2209 02:06:54.760 --> 02:06:57.399 think about that at the very least, it could potentially 2210 02:06:57.439 --> 02:07:01.880 bring us closer to our own in faith, because we're. 2211 02:07:01.760 --> 02:07:07.640 Trying to understand and try to justify what's going on 2212 02:07:07.760 --> 02:07:12.920 to our own capacity, whether that's everything is for the 2213 02:07:12.960 --> 02:07:18.960 good or it happened because God willed it. You know, 2214 02:07:19.039 --> 02:07:24.079 I think that's us putting our own understanding in this situation. 2215 02:07:24.760 --> 02:07:27.199 Yeah, it's kind of us trying to put God and 2216 02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:30.319 his plan or his will or any of this into 2217 02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:32.800 a box. And I don't think this is something that 2218 02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:35.640 can fit into a box that humans can put it into. 2219 02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:39.520 But this is in fact the place you have these conversations, 2220 02:07:39.800 --> 02:07:42.479 and I agree. I appreciate everybody for chiming in on this. 2221 02:07:42.520 --> 02:07:46.159 Although as I'm looking as I'm looking at who all 2222 02:07:46.239 --> 02:07:53.520 is in attendance tonight, So a trans a Jew, a Catholic, 2223 02:07:53.600 --> 02:07:55.800 a Pagan, and a Mountain Jew, I mean former Mormon 2224 02:07:55.840 --> 02:07:57.880 walk into a bar and this is what the conversation 2225 02:07:58.000 --> 02:08:01.119 leads to. I absolutely love that this is the group 2226 02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:03.920 that we have come to with the Cajun Night Live. Y'all. 2227 02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:07.359 Y'all have no idea. I was hoping that eventually the 2228 02:08:07.439 --> 02:08:11.199 conversations would go more philosophical, and yeah, we do talk geopolitics, 2229 02:08:11.239 --> 02:08:13.439 and yes we talk environmental and all these things, but 2230 02:08:14.239 --> 02:08:18.159 these are like really amazing conversations and I mean, this 2231 02:08:18.239 --> 02:08:22.039 is great content. So I appreciate everybody for chiming in 2232 02:08:22.079 --> 02:08:25.119 on this one. So for anybody who would like to 2233 02:08:25.239 --> 02:08:28.239 join in on the Cajun Night Live next week, again, 2234 02:08:28.359 --> 02:08:31.039 please come check out Cajun Night on Patreon. Link is 2235 02:08:31.039 --> 02:08:36.119 in the description below. And again, y'all, I appreciate everybody 2236 02:08:36.279 --> 02:08:38.520 for jumping in on this one, and I hope to 2237 02:08:38.560 --> 02:08:41.359 see more people in these conversations in the future. And 2238 02:08:41.399 --> 02:08:44.239 if we do want to dive further into this conversation 2239 02:08:44.319 --> 02:08:47.239 next week, please do, please do. I want to have 2240 02:08:47.319 --> 02:08:49.680 it all the way through all of the depths and 2241 02:08:49.720 --> 02:08:52.319 all of the ugly bits like this is amazing and 2242 02:08:52.399 --> 02:08:56.319 I think that, if anything, this might be how true 2243 02:08:56.399 --> 02:09:01.560 growth can happen. Having uncomfortable conversations in US, combining forces 2244 02:09:01.560 --> 02:09:04.680 and sharing ideas. This is how true philosophy goes down. 2245 02:09:04.760 --> 02:09:07.600 So again, thank you everybody for coming out and to 2246 02:09:07.680 --> 02:09:10.279 everybody listening. As always, God bless