WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.399 What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:06.639 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up 3 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:10.080 where we left off with the Bill Gates transcript from 4 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:15.919 his conversation with Congress. Question sure, answer, I believe that 5 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.239 he found out about the affairs through doctor Nikolich. Question 6 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:22.239 did you ever ask doctor Nikolich to do anything morally 7 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:27.480 inappropriate or unethically unsound? Answer? While he was involved, he 8 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:29.399 knew that I had spent time with the women I 9 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.920 had affairs with, so only in that sense. Question how 10 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.679 did he know that? Answer? You know one time it 11 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:38.359 was scheduling thing when we were in London, where I 12 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:41.039 said to him I was going to disappear and wanted 13 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.320 him to show that I was meeting with them at 14 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:46.520 the time. Question, so you used them as an alibi 15 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:49.240 to meet with a woman? Is a fair question? That 16 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:51.759 is correct? Question did he know the name of a 17 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:54.560 woman at the time? Answer? At some point I mentioned 18 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.119 the name to him. Question did you ever ask doctor 19 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:02.200 Nikolich to do anything that was potentially illegal? Answer no. Question. 20 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:06.480 Did doctor Nikolch ever assist you in acquiring drugs? Answer no? 21 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:09.879 Question did you ever ask him to acquire you drugs? 22 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:15.000 Answer no. Question was doctor Nikolich a medical doctor? Answer? 23 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.640 I think he was a research doctor. Question did he 24 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.680 have prescribing authority? Do you know? Answer? I don't understand 25 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.760 that question. To be clear, you don't understand the question 26 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:29.000 or you don't understand prescribing authority. Answer I'm not sure 27 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.359 whether he had prescribing authority. It never came up. Question, 28 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.239 So do you have any guesses as to why doctor 29 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.400 Nikolch or Jeffrey Epstein believed that you had asked doctor 30 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.120 Nikolch to acquire drugs for you? Answer? I don't have 31 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:45.319 any awareness that doctor Nikolch ever saw the email. Is 32 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:48.400 that are you suggesting he did? Question? I'm asking you 33 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.400 if you have any context you can share of why 34 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:55.400 either Epstein or Nickolitch believe that. Answer. I don't question. 35 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:58.959 You've already acknowledged that you engaged in infidelity. Have you 36 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.680 discussed one of the one of the two women that 37 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:05.719 you've acknowledged, who's the second woman? Answer? Her name is 38 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:11.080 Karima Nigma Tulina. Mister Moran jumps in and I'll just 39 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:13.080 say as we go forward, you know, as you've seen, 40 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.120 mister Gates is here addressing obviously very sensitive topics with 41 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.479 the committee as they relate to Jeffrey Epstein. We know 42 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:22.479 that there's also a lot of public interest in the 43 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:27.080 details of these private affairs that aren't pertinent to Jeffrey Epstein, 44 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.159 who had no involvement in those other than learning about 45 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:33.159 them after the fact, And so mister Gates will probably 46 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.439 seek to decline to divulge details that are not related 47 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:39.520 to Jeffrey Epstein, as this is right, But as you've 48 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.560 seen so far, he's here to answer the committee's questions, 49 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.719 and we appreciate the committee and that they've handled this sensitively. 50 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:51.120 Question where both of these women are Russian? Answer yes, 51 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.360 question again the draft email, which I understand you have 52 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.759 not seen, were first to sex with Russian girls? Just 53 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:01.000 for the record, how old were these women during the 54 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:03.960 time of your affairs? Answer? One was in her twenties, 55 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:07.159 one was in her thirties. Questions so there were both adults? 56 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.400 Answer yes, Emmer. We have another member joined, Can he 57 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:15.319 please announce himself for the record? Tim Burchett, Tennessee's second 58 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:20.400 district question did you also engage in Again the email 59 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.800 refers to quote elicit tris with married women. Did you 60 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.719 have any other affairs besides these two women that we 61 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:30.560 just discussed. Answer. The only affairs that doctor Nikolic were 62 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.639 aware of were the two that we've discussed. Question, but 63 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:37.560 there were other extramarital affairs? Answer None with any connection 64 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.159 to Epstein that he became aware of or that he 65 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:44.039 had any connection too. Question how do you know that? Answer? 66 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:47.319 I guess I'll never know because he's dead. Question. So 67 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.199 that's the reason I'm asking about these other ones is 68 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.039 you've already testified today that you didn't know that these 69 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:56.400 two women did have any affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein, and 70 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.400 many of these details we've only since learned from the 71 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.719 Department of jo this release. So I do think additional 72 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:06.840 context about any other extra marital affairs, especially during the 73 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.800 time period you knew Jeffrey Epstein, are relevant to the 74 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.960 committee's inquiry. Mister Moran, with respect, I'm able to say 75 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.160 that mister Gates is in the best position to help 76 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:20.199 the committee understand what was connected to mister Epstein, and 77 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.040 I think he's done the best to do that. Question. 78 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.040 So doctor Nickolch knew of the two affairs with the 79 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:29.920 two Russian women, and that's it. Answer, Yeah, Question, did 80 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.759 you ever contract a sexually transmitted infection during any of 81 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:37.680 your extra marital affairs. Answer no question, not in these 82 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:42.040 two or any potential other ones. Answer no question. Do 83 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.319 you have any guests as to why Doctor Nikolich or 84 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:47.959 Jeffrey Epstein may have believed that you did answer, and 85 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.240 maybe they thought that was a good way to blackmail someone. 86 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:53.439 Question did you have a scare of some kind and 87 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.879 it turned out to not be a sexually transmitted infection? Answer? 88 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.399 I never had an STD question. Did you ever unicate 89 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.759 to doctor Nikolch that you were worried that you might answer? 90 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.600 It's possible I said something like that, which later turned 91 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.240 into the lie that I actually had an STD. Question. 92 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.800 Do you recall a specific discussion answer? I do not question, 93 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.879 but it's possible that you did answer yes. Question and again, 94 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.800 for the record, you did not ask doctor Nikolch in 95 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.160 his capacity as a doctor or in any other capacity, 96 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:29.639 to acquire drugs antibiotics of any kind. Answer no, he 97 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:33.759 was not a prescribing doctor. Question. Okay, mister Higgins, I 98 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:35.959 understand you have a couple questions you'd like to ask. 99 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.839 Now it's mister Higgins ask in the questions. I have 100 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:45.279 one question, mister Gates. You describe the relationship as manipulation, betrayal, coercion, 101 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:50.160 threat of blackmail, dishonesty. Doctor Nikolch was your closest associate. 102 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.360 We understand. Have you come to believe that doctor Nikolicch 103 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.959 conspired with Jeffrey Epstein prior to your dinner meeting in 104 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.680 twenty eleven and planned, to some extent an effort to 105 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.759 draw you into the Epstein web? Has that come to 106 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.600 be your perception of what happened? Gates? I don't know 107 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.319 what you mean by web. I have said that Higgins 108 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:13.199 cuts them off, the Epstein web of deceitful manipulation and 109 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.240 seeking power and leverage with people of wealth and influence 110 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.879 across the world. Gates? Can you restate the question? Sounds 111 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:23.600 very open ended? Higgins. The question is have you come 112 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.720 to believe in retrospect and in reading these emails that 113 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.360 have been revealed and some greatly surprise you, as you said, 114 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.600 and having gone through that relationship and resisted efforts to 115 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:38.160 draw you into more deeply social relationships, resisted efforts by 116 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:41.160 Epstein to coorus you into allowing him into a deeper 117 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:43.920 role with some things that you regretted doing in life, 118 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:46.600 have you come to see that doctor Nikolch. Do you 119 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.639 believe that doctor Nikolch conspired or met with Epstein prior 120 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.839 to your dinner meeting in twenty eleven and said, I 121 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.000 think maybe I can get I can get Bill in 122 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.079 front of you and maybe we can draw him in. Gates, 123 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.720 I don't believe that happened, Higgins. You don't believe that happened. Gates. No, 124 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.600 I don't think doctor Nikolic was part of a broad 125 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:09.120 set of things that you described. Higgins. Okay, that was 126 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:13.399 my only question. Emmer, we have another member join. Can 127 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:16.959 he please announce himself for the record. Congressman John Maguire, 128 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:22.560 Virginia's fifth District specter. Question, mister Gates, We're coming up 129 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.360 near the end of our hour, so I just want 130 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:26.519 to ask you a couple brief questions to follow up on. 131 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.160 So we've discussed the names of two women that you 132 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:31.959 had affairs with. You've already said that they were both Russian. 133 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.360 I believe in previous press statements other public statements you 134 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.000 described one as a bridge player and the other as 135 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.959 a nuclear scientist or something of the sort. Is that 136 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:46.319 fair answer? That's fair question? And so was Mela? She 137 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.759 was the bridge player. Is that correct? Answer? Mila Antonova 138 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:51.800 I met at a bridge tournament and she was a 139 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.319 serious bridge player. Question. And Karimo was a nuclear scientist? 140 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:59.519 Is that right? Answer? That is right? Question. You described 141 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.040 at least one instance of how doctor Nikolich was aware 142 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.360 of your infidelity, and it related to a meeting, a 143 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.519 meetup that you had in London. I believe you said, 144 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.560 was it the bridge player or was it the nuclear 145 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:13.959 scientists that you were meeting at the time? Answer? It 146 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.439 was a nuclear scientist. Question. Ha did doctor Nikolicch come 147 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.639 to learn of the bridge player? Answer? There was a 148 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:23.360 time after I finished dinner in California where the bridge 149 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.839 player was meeting me, and because I was delayed, Doctor 150 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.839 Nickolitch met her and stood with her, was with her 151 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:32.559 until I arrived. Question, So, once doctor Nikolich became aware 152 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.200 of each of these two affairs, was this something? What 153 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.759 was the situation between the two of you? Was it 154 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:41.039 the kind of thing where you knew he knew, and 155 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.320 he knew that you knew he knew, but you didn't 156 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:46.279 talk about it. Did you talk about it openly or 157 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.200 was it just like both of you knew the situation 158 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.799 and chose not to talk about it. Answer, I don't 159 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.480 remember talking about it until you know, during the exit period. 160 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.080 As I said, there were the veiled delusions, and in 161 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:02.759 an email took that on very directly. Question Again, we've 162 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.879 already discussed some of the potential for other extramarital affairs, 163 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:09.519 but just to be clear for the record, is your 164 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.080 testimony that you had no other romantic sexual relationships with 165 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:17.879 any woman associated with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? That is right? Question? 166 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:19.960 And I asked you how you knew that? And you 167 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.080 said you can never really be sure. Is that your 168 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.720 testimony as well? Answer? No, I'm sorry, go back. Question. 169 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:28.519 I asked you how you knew that no other woman 170 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.799 you may have had sexual or romantic relations with had 171 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.679 any connection to Jeffrey Epstein. I asked you how you 172 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:37.000 were sure about that, and you said, well, you guess 173 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.799 you can't be sure. Is that right? Answer? I'm quite sure? 174 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:42.879 Question how answer you know? I think that Epstein, when 175 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.000 he was writing emails to himself, took every potential negative 176 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.960 thing he knew and some that are completely false, and 177 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.840 put those into a draft email to himself, and as 178 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:54.600 we see from the email release, the only specific things 179 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.519 he refers to are the affair with the nuclear scientist 180 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.360 and the affair with the bridge player, and so I 181 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.120 think in some weird way he discovered anything negative to 182 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.360 say about me. He would have seen them, or we 183 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.240 would have seen them in the emails that he sent 184 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.200 to himself. Mister Spector. Thank you very much. We can 185 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.080 go off record, mister Claire if I could. Before we 186 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:18.080 do that, I could just offer one thing for the 187 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.879 committee's benefit. This line of questioning has been about these 188 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.879 emails that Epstein sent to himself, and obviously there's a 189 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:27.240 lot of interest in how those things came about. In 190 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:29.639 the course of preparing for this hearing and working with 191 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:33.080 mister Gates, we did identify a situation where Epstein did 192 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:36.960 send an email to himself purporting to memorialize something that 193 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.559 mister Gates said, completely unrelated to this topic of affairs. 194 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.559 But we do see within hours of mister Epstein receiving 195 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.960 an email from mister Gates, Epstein drafting one of these 196 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:51.679 emails to himself, purporting to memorialize it and changing significantly 197 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.279 the substance of it. And so this might shed light, 198 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:59.000 and if the committee is interested, I'm happy to provide 199 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.799 those Bates numbers and you know, whether it's for today 200 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.279 or another time, we'd be happy to brief you on it, 201 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:06.879 but it seems relevant to the question of what mister 202 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:10.799 Epstein does when he drafts these emails to himself. The email, 203 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.039 the authentic one that mister Gates sent to Epstein has 204 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.919 a Bates number, and then the email that Epstein to 205 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:19.919 Epstein comes from a few hours later, where he's purporting 206 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.240 to memorialize what mister Gates told him but changing the 207 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:27.519 substance of it is EFTA zero nine zero one nine 208 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.399 three six two eight three. So we leave that for 209 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:34.279 the committee's consideration. Mister spector, thank you. We can go 210 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:37.039 off record, all right. We're gonna wrap up right here too, 211 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.279 and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're 212 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:42.200 gonna pick up where we left off. All the information 213 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:44.960 that goes with this episode can be found in the 214 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.799 description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode 215 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.320 of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick 216 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.240 up where we left off with the Bill Gates transcript 217 00:11:55.480 --> 00:12:01.279 from his interview with Congress question. My name is redacted. 218 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.080 I'm an attorney for the minority, and I'll be asking 219 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.879 most of our questions today. In the course of doing so, 220 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.519 I'm likely to touch on some of the issues that 221 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.480 my majority colleagues covered with you in the previous round. 222 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:15.399 In doing so, I don't want to make you repeat yourself. 223 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:17.279 I just want to make sure that we have a 224 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:21.879 clear record at the end of this proceeding. Garcia, can 225 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:27.279 you speak into your microphone redacted? Sure? Is this better question? Okay? Apologies? 226 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:29.840 I'm going to start, if I could, by talking about 227 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:32.840 a few of the individuals whom we understand have been 228 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.480 connected with Microsoft or with the Gates Foundation, and whom 229 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:40.240 we understand had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. You spoke 230 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:43.519 at length with my majority colleagues about mister Nikolic. If 231 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.919 I could start with him, just a couple of quick questions. 232 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.279 Did he ever mention anything to you about Jeffrey Epstein's 233 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:55.159 proclivity for young women or teenage girls? Answer no, doctor Nikolic, question, 234 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:58.799 Doctor Nikolch, thank you. And did doctor Nikeolch ever mention 235 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.559 anything to you about Jeffrey Epstein's sexual relationship with young 236 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:07.000 women or girls? Answer no. Question. The next individual that 237 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.600 I'd like to ask you about is Steven Sinofsky, who 238 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:14.039 is mister Snofsky. Answer Steven Sinofsky worked in senior engineering 239 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:19.120 positions at Microsoft for a long time. Question and when 240 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.159 did you meet mister Sinofsky? Answer a long time ago. 241 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.159 Early in his Microsoft career, he served in a job 242 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:29.039 as technical assistant to me. Question did you become aware 243 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.759 at some point that mister Sinofsky had a relationship with 244 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:36.159 Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no. Question Did you ever become aware 245 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:40.159 of Jeffrey Epstein providing professional service of any kind to 246 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:44.559 mister Snofsky answer through the press this year? Question not 247 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:49.720 prior to this year? Answer not prior. Question did mister 248 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:53.320 Snofsky ever mention anything to you about Jeffrey Epstein's proclivity 249 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:57.120 for young women or teenage girls? Answer? We never. The 250 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.759 name Epstein never even came up in any conversation I 251 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:04.559 had with mister Sinofsky. Question And as we understand, in 252 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:08.360 April of twenty thirteen, Jeffrey Epstein was helping mister Sinofsky 253 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:12.159 negotiate his exit package from Microsoft. Is that something that 254 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:16.360 you were aware of? Answer not at all. Question and 255 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:19.519 then moving on to the next individual, Melanie Walker. And 256 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.240 before I proceed with my questions, I'm going to ask 257 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.960 the Court reporter to Mark as exhibit A a Wall 258 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:29.279 Street Journal article of June seventh, twenty twenty six, titled 259 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.159 the Hidden Figure with close Ties to Bill Gates and 260 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:35.399 Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Gates, I'm not going to ask you 261 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.360 any questions about the article, but I understand that one 262 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:43.159 or more of our members will later in the hour. Answer, okay, question, 263 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.399 I just wanted to enter it into the record. Gates 264 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:49.960 Minority Exhibit A. Question can you tell us who is 265 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:54.519 Melanie Walker? Answer? Doctor Walker worked at the Gates Foundation 266 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.840 for a period, then she worked for the World Bank 267 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.679 for a period. She's also an advanced brain surgeon. Question 268 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:04.039 when did you first meet doctor Walker? Answer would have 269 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.240 been when she was at the Gates Foundation. Answer and 270 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.799 when did she start working at the Gates Foundation? Answer, 271 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:12.960 I'm not sure, two thousand and seven, something like that. 272 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.559 I'm not sure. Question were you aware at the time 273 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.759 she started working at the Gates Foundation that she had 274 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:24.320 a prior relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no, although she 275 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.639 did send me an email after my first dinner with 276 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.879 Epstein asking my impression, so I was aware that she 277 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.799 knew him. Question and that was the first dinner you 278 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:37.679 discussed earlier in twenty eleven. Answer, that's right. Question. Did 279 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.039 doctor Walker ever mention anything to you about Jeffrey Epstein's 280 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:45.519 proclivity for young women or teenage girls? Answer no question. 281 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:47.720 I'm going to ask the court reporter to mark as 282 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:52.480 exhibit B a back and forth of text messages. Question 283 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:56.840 it's from various dates in September of twenty seventeen, Bates 284 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.679 number EFTA zero one, six, two, zero, row seven three 285 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:05.440 six through seven forty two, And mister Gates, please take 286 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.919 all the time you need to review the exhibit. I'm 287 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.240 only going to be focusing on the last page, that's 288 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.279 Bates number seven forty two. The names of the participants 289 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:17.639 in this conversation don't appear in the document, we understand 290 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.679 that they're Jeffrey Epstein and doctor Walker. And looking at 291 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.600 page seven forty two, the chat at the top reads 292 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:29.480 Larry will join management tomorrow at BG at the BGC 293 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:34.159 three office. Larry also invited to junior staffers. Larry will 294 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.240 not join and is not aware of other meetings, but 295 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:40.360 he's starting to really get annoying. Are there any signals 296 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:42.679 I can send or words I can use to let 297 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.120 him and BG know I'm not messing around any words 298 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:48.440 I can use with Larry directly or with him in 299 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.720 BG and right below we understand to be Jeffrey Epstein's response. 300 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.799 With BG, all you would have to say is you 301 00:16:55.840 --> 00:17:01.559 should know that I've told Jeffrey everything everything, understanding that 302 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.840 you are not a participant in the conversation. Have you 303 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.559 seen this before? Answer only when it was released as 304 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.079 part of the Epstein files in January. Question do you 305 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.000 have any understanding as to what Jeffrey Epstein was referring 306 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.680 to here by the word everything? Answer? I don't have 307 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:20.759 any value to add here. Question and again on the 308 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:24.319 same page, The following text reads, I'm worried he will 309 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:28.759 immediately retaliate against me. And what we again understand to 310 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.880 be Jeffrey Epstein's response. You can always say I also 311 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:35.960 like blue dresses colon close parentheses, which I take to 312 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:39.440 be a smiley face emoji. Do you have any understanding 313 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.000 as to what mister Epstein was referring to there by 314 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:47.680 a reference blue dress? Answer? We can both speculate. Question 315 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.559 can you speculate for us in your opinion? What do 316 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.519 you think he was referencing Gates? It appears to be 317 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.319 a reference to the Monica Lewinsky affair or whatever you 318 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.319 call it with President Clinton. Question, and you have strike 319 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.400 that during your relationship with mister Epstein, did you too 320 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:08.480 ever discuss the blue dress gates? No question, No further 321 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:14.079 questions on this document. Question. Doctor Walker has reportedly claimed 322 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.599 that Jeffrey Epstein introduced her to two professional contacts who 323 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.480 sexually propositioned her. Are you familiar with doctor Walker's claim? 324 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.359 Answer not at all. Question Did doctor Walker ever warn 325 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:28.640 you about Jeffrey Epstein? Answer is certainly not during the 326 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:32.000 time that I knew mister Epstein. Question. The Wall Street 327 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:36.240 Journal I'll represent, reported that in August of twenty fourteen, 328 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.200 doctor Walker sent you what appeared to be a warning 329 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:43.400 about Epstein, stating that you should maintain quote a healthy 330 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.759 distance for anything of a personal nature unquote when dealing 331 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:50.400 with Jeffrey Epstein. Do you recall that email? Answer? I 332 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.680 do not. Are you sure you have the date correct? Question? 333 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.279 This is a reported by the Wall Street Journal, so 334 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.440 I can't confirm their reporting. And you don't recall doctor 335 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.079 Walker ever saying anything to you in the vein about 336 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:07.759 Jeffrey Epstein. Answer not during the time that I knew Epstein. 337 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.680 No question subsequent to the time that you knew Epstein. Answer, 338 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.799 you know, in twenty seventeen, his name may have come up, 339 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:17.799 and I said, the whole Epstein thing was confusing to me, 340 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.039 and she didn't really shed much additional light on my confusion. 341 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.680 Question what was the context of that discussion? Answer? You know, 342 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.039 she had left the employee of the Gates Foundation and 343 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:30.960 was doing some scientific consulting work for me, and so 344 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:34.720 during that time period it briefly came up. Question And 345 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.400 when you said the Epstein situation was confusing to you, 346 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:42.039 what were you referring to by situation? Answer? What was 347 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.720 the Epstein thing? How did he make money? What was 348 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:47.359 his what was he trying to do? To this day, 349 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:50.519 I don't find a fully satisfactory explanation of, you know, 350 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:54.200 how he got his wealth and a variety of things. Question. 351 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.920 You've spoke in some detail during the previous round about 352 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.720 your various meetings with Jeffrey Epstein between two th eleven 353 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.559 and twenty fourteen. If I could, I would like to 354 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:06.920 just walk through some of those, in particular with you 355 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.119 in a bit more detail, using some documents that we 356 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.519 have obtained. I'll ask the court reporter to Mark as 357 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.519 Exhibit C, an email dated January twenty eighth, twenty eleven, 358 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.359 with the subject line I'm sorry with no subject line 359 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:27.599 Gates Minority Exhibit C. Question. The text of the email reads, Hey, redacted, 360 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:30.480 Bill Gates and Boris Nikolitch is coming for dinner at 361 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:34.799 seventy first this Monday and Tuesday night, both nights. Jaye 362 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:36.960 asked if you could take off work to help with 363 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.559 the dinner. It's only three to four people, but he 364 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:41.759 would really like you there. Does this work for you? 365 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.160 And to our understanding, mister Gates, you are not on 366 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.319 this email, but I'm interested in the reference to both knights. 367 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:50.599 Do you recall a meeting with Jeffrey Epstein on two 368 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:55.119 consecutive nights in January? Answer? I did not, question, so 369 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:59.480 do your knowledge to that extent this email is inaccurate? Answer? 370 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:02.279 That's right. Question, And just to be clear, the email 371 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:05.160 refers to three to four people expected for one or 372 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.880 both of those dinners. Is that the number of people 373 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:10.960 you recall being there? Answer? I think January thirty first 374 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:14.759 dinner was During the dinner, just myself, doctor Nikolic and 375 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.559 mister Epstein. Question and outside of the dinner, do you 376 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.720 recall anyone else being present? Answer, Yeah, that's the time 377 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:25.519 when Eva Dubin and her daughter dropped by after dinner. 378 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:29.519 Question I understand from your testimony in the previous rounds 379 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:33.039 that Jeffrey Epstein extended an invitation for you to visit 380 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:36.920 his island, Little Saint James. Is that correct? Answer? I 381 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.160 think on several occasions he did question and you never 382 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:44.160 accepted that invitation. Answer? I never did question? And why 383 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.839 was that? Answer? It wasn't of interest to me? Question? 384 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:50.400 Was there something in particular that was off putting about 385 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:54.519 the idea for you? Answer? My time's quite valuable, and 386 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:56.680 I didn't think it was interesting. It was kind of 387 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:59.720 a relationship we had. Question did he mention why he 388 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.599 was in inviting you to the island Gates? I guess 389 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:05.880 to expand our relationship, to have a social element to it. 390 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:09.279 I'm not sure. Question, And to be clear, there was 391 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.640 no specific purpose. It was to meet with Epstein generally speaking, 392 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:15.440 but there wasn't an event that you were going to 393 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.200 go to on the island, Gates know, or that I 394 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.880 was invited to Gates. I never went to the island. 395 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:27.480 Question continuing chronologically twenty twelve, do you recall specific meetings 396 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:31.599 with Jeffrey Epstein in twenty twelve. Answer, yeah, I saw 397 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.920 him for two dinners in the fall of twenty twelve. 398 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.160 Question where do those dinners take place? Answer? Both at 399 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.519 is placed in New York City. Question and can you 400 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.079 tell us, respectively, who was in attendance at those two dinners? 401 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.680