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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to

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welcome to the show, Roslyn Bosco Hiding Roslin.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine, Alex. Thank you for inviting me to

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the show. Thank you, happy to join you here today.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate this,

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and I appreciate you staying up late over in India

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to do this conversation. So I truly truly appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you else, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So your work is fascinating because one of your first

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books here that I read was The Brimstone Folacy, which

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is we're going to dive into a little bit, but

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you're also do a lot of work in the consciousness

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and trying to raise consciousness for the West and the

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East for that matter. But my very first question to

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you is diving into the first concept of heaven and

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hell and all that stuff. Why are good people not

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always rewarded and why bad people are not always punished

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in our lives? In other words, why do good things

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happen bad things happen to good people, and good things

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happen to bad people sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the question that got me started off

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in the first place. And at one point of time

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in my life when my mother lost her leg, her

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leg was amputated due to the mistake of a doctor,

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and later she lost her life due to cancer. So

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that started off a lot of questions in me. She

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was a very good, holy kind woman who would never

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speak a bad word or about anybody, so and she

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was a very soft natured woman. So this was the

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first thing that affected me very deeply, and probably my

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quest started there. And I realized that I did not

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know everything. So all the social conditioning that may have

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made me believe till that point of time that good

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people will be rewarded and bad people will be punished

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was certainly proved wrong. So that started a barrage of questions.

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And now we have a lot of people talking about

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greencarnation and all these things, and think that there are

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two parts, that there are two sides to the same coin.

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One could be the reincarnation part, the other could be

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your soul's purpose to learn. So when we look at

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it from the Eastern point of view, we think of

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karma and coming back and doing our lessons again and

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evolving our consciousness. And another could be the purpose of

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the soul to do something for humanity, to be with

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the people whom the soul loves as a spirit guide

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and to guide people. So I think the basic idea

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that good things happens to happen to good people is

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not correct in my point of view.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't, and generally it's part of the soul's

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journey to learn. And from the outside it could be like, well,

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that person was so beautiful, like your mother, didn't her

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to fly and bad things happened to her, But that

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according from the Eastern point of view of reincarnation, it

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is her path and her choice to go through these

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things to learn and grow in this life.

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Speaker 2: Correct, yes, yes, But then I believe that the soul

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also has a purpose. So my mother's soul might have

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had a specific purpose to be with us and to

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help us evolve. So it could be these are two

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different facets of the same concept, I would say, with

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the way of looking at it from the Eastern point

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of view and another way of looking at it from

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the point of view of the soul's purpose rights.

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Speaker 1: So in other words, that you get a two for one.

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She grows as a soul and she also helps you

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start you down on a path because without her going

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through this, you would have maybe never even asked those questions.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, definitely, Yeah, I would have pwoud of just

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been a puppet who would have been just socially conditioned

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to accept everything that the church and other people told me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting concept too, because there's so much

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that you know, I've said this on the show before,

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is that you know, our belief system is basically programmed

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into us since we were born, and we are just

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a result of the conditioning and the environment that we

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were born into. Wherever you are, and you know, you

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could be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, it, you know, whatever your

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family is, that's what you are. Only later in life

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you become more if you are curious more, you question

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a lot more of the things and you start thinking, well,

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that doesn't feel right to me anymore. Well, wait a minute,

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what are this billion other people over here in India

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are thinking a little bit different than I was? What

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are they doing different? Are they all going to hell?

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Because they don't believe in what I believe, and vice versa.

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So you start thinking outside the box a little bit.

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But that's scary. But that's extremely scary for most people

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because it rocks the foundation of their entire existence. And

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then they're like, well, wait a minute, my mom's not wrong,

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my dad is not wrong. How dare you? And then

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that's where fights begin and war's honestly, would you agree

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with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, yeah, So when the basic foundation is wrong,

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even I was not able to come to this mindset

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for so many years in my life. It took me

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a very long time and a number of incidents to

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bring me to this place where now I strongly believe,

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especially after looking at so many near hundreds and hundreds

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of near death experience, is where I've come to believe

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that this is what is true and not what we

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have been taught and conditioned to believe.

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Speaker 1: So my next question is is Hell real? Because that

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is a concept in the West specifically, and I think

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in many other religions as well, there is a concept

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of this place. But I'm not as educated in the

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other religions. But in Hell, I was taught Hell was

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real in first grade, and I was terrified as a

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child about this concept of help, like, I don't want

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to go to hell, and that's exactly what it was

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built to do. But I love to hear from your

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point of view, is hell real?

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Speaker 2: Hell is definitely not real, Alex. So, I think we

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experienced hell right here on earth. It is not that

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you will have to go somewhere else or it is

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after your death that we need to experience hell. We

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experience heaven and hell every moment of our lives, and

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every day it is our choice to experience heaven or

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hell wherever we are. And it has to do with consciousness,

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because what you believe, and what we think and our expectations,

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and again, how we have been conditioned as the based

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on gender or status or so many other things makes

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us believe that something is hell or heavy. There are

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there are poor people who live happy lives, holy, contented lives.

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So you could be happy wherever you are and create

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heaven for yourself.

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: So, and this I think could carry on even after that.

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The consciousness that you carry could carry on an extend

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even after death. Well you could, we could experience all

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those fears and all those negative elements that we've had

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in our lives, experienced in our lives without getting rid

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of them. When we cross. When a person processes over,

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I think he or she carries carries this. So that's

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why many near death experiences when they uh when when

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they are in a situation which is like hell, then

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some of them immediately pray to God. They are they

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get that compulsion to pray to God, and finally they

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see a grain of light and they move on.

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Speaker 1: So this, well, yeah, that's very interesting because you've you've

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obviously studied a lot of near death experiences. I've spoken

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to many near death experiences on the show, and I've

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had a few that have seen hell in their near

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death experience. One specifically reminded me that she's like I

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created that for myself because of my belief system that

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I felt that I needed to go through that hell.

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And once I decided I didn't want to do it anymore,

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I asked for help. That's when that little speck of

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light came in and I was transformed out of it.

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Out of all your experiences in near death, with with

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near death experiences, is that a common thing because generally

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near death experiences don't stay in the hell and then

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come back. There is some sort of redemption. If you

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have redemption, but some sort of elevation and vibration to

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the point where you get to a light of some

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sort of angel love being, something comes and saves you

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and pulls you out of that. Or do you have

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any in your any cases that they went to hell,

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stayed in hell, and then when they came back from hell,

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they were just woken up, and they never saw any

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eaven or any positive place.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember anything of that kind ELK. So whenever

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they plead to God, I mean when they say Jesus

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saved me or any God of their choice, which of

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a god of their choice, I mean, immediately they see

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the light and then but then the life review is

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always there. So if you think that is a part

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of hell or something like that, then but then again,

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even in the life review, only your soul you judge yourself.

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You evaluate yourself based on what happened in your life.

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So I don't think anybody has been stuck in hell

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for a very long time, unable to escape from that

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and come and has come back straight from that experience.

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Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is Dante has lied to

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us all these years. Well, isn't isn't honestly, isn't Dante

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responsible for the current idea of hell in the Western mind?

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Was those books Inferno and so on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to a certain extent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good marketing, good good marketing. You know, they

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came up with the hell. But he really painted a

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picture of the seven layers of hell, and you have

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to go through it and all this damnation and all

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this stuff, which you know, I was raised Catholic. I'm

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a recovering Catholic, as I always say on the show,

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and the the concept of the Old Testament and in

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the in the Western Bible, in regards to the punishing God,

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the jealous God, the revengeful God, all of this stuff

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goes against anything I can even feel in my bones,

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because as a parent, you just would never do anything

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like that. No matter what your child did, you would

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never throw them into a pit of hell. You would

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never punish them forever. That is not what love is.

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So in other words, I'm gonna ask you the question,

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does God rain down catastrophes and natural disasters and disease

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as a form of punishment? To people because so many people,

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maybe people listening right now, believe that truly in their heart.

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Speaker 2: I think people have foisted their own image, human image

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on God, so human characteristics, so they it's just a

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personification of God as a human being. But when you

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take the Bible and when you take a free place,

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you see Jesus talking about forgiveness and Jesus talking about

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unconditional love. So I mean, the damage that all these

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years has been done to the psyche of the people

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is too much. And that is what prompted me to

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write this book in the first place, because I rebelled

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against the idea of punishing God. I couldn't accept that

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kind of a God because there were so many experiences,

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real experiences which I had where God, I felt the

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love of God so much so my real life experience

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was completely contrary to what people were telling me. And

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that is how I couldn't reconcile with the idea, and

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I made it a point to try to let it

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be known to people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even if you just look at the

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ideas of the Ten Commandments or even of the Old Testament, God,

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from a critical standpoint, he's very jealous. He's very avengeful,

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he's insecure. You know, it's it's a fast if you

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just look at it from a psychological standpoint, the character

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that is painted in those in those stories is extremely vengeful,

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extremely insecure, extremely egotistical in the way that it's like

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he was a direct threat to everything that was brought

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before him. Hence what happened to him. But if you

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truly go through his teachings, like Yoga Nanda said, Jesus

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was crucified in one day, but his teachings have been

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crucified for over two thousand years. It's extremely, extremely true

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if you really listen to what Jesus was talking about.

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that started to paint a picture of a different God.

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bet source. You know, you know, the one energy, I

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am whatever whatever makes people feel comfortable, because God is

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very loaded word nowadays because of all of this programming

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that we've had over the years.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, that is why I use the word universe

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instead of God. Co create with your universe, correct, So

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I substituted. I substituted the word God with universe because

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I wanted to make it something common for everybody to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So then the concept of the devil is just

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another character created to instill fear in the form of

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punishment towards us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. And I think Jesus was meant to come

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to change that kind of consciousness or change that kind

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of an image that religion, especially institutionalized religion, had painted

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about God. And I think God himself wanted to wanted people,

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to make an impact on the people, to make a

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change in the minds of the people. And that is

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why Jesus had to come. And he's a He redeemed

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us from all those kinds of beliefs which were built

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Speaker 1: And for my understanding from my studies, you know, Jesus

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did spend time in India. To my understanding, he spent

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time there learning, teaching, learning and learning from Yogi's learning, meditation, learning,

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these kinds of concepts, these are ideas. I mean, Yogananda

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spoke about this because a lot of the things that

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he teaches are very Eastern. They are definitely not Western

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in idea, the idea of that everything's within you. You

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have to go inward. The Kingdom of Heaven is inside

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of you. You can do whatever I can do. Even more,

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these concepts are definitely not Western. They lean more Eastern.

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And isn't Jesus very renowned in India and in the East.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus. There are a lot of institutions here which

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have been begun by Catholics and missionaries Christians, and there

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are hospitals which have been initiated by people all over

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the world. So Jesus is very well known and well

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received here here in India. Speaking of uh see what

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we think about when we speak about reincarnation and these

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kind of concepts.

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Speaker 2: I don't really I doubt whether a person has to

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be born in a but has to travel to a

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place or has to be born in a place to

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get these ideas, uh it might see. I believe that

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each one of us, when we awake at a particular

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point of time, we get we get all the knowledge

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that we carry over from the past. So whatever it is.

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So I might have been born in the US, and

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you might have been born. We have had so many

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past lives, and that is what near the experience is

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telling us. So in that case we unless we have

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something to establish that Jesus really came to India. The

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point is that he might have learned it. He might

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have He might have come with wisdom and the understanding

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that we accumulate with all our experiences.

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Speaker 1: And nowadays, you know, it must have been more difficult

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two thousand years ago to come to this realization if

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there's no one teaching you how to access that knowledge.

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Where in today's world, this information, like this conversation is

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online in anywhere. Anybody in the world can hear this

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conversation and it could trigger, yes, a way to go

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down a path. Start reading your books, start reading other books,

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start thinking about our medica hating and things open up.

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But I'd imagine in you know, two three thousand years ago,

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that was a much more difficult place if you only

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stayed in this one little patch of land and never

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exposed to anything else.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is why we acknowledge him and appreciate him

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as a true revolutionary because even though he had this

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to go within, he uh carried this concept of going

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within and saying that the Kingdom of God is within

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in the eastern part of the world. I I'm not

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sure who carried all these revolutionary ideas as Jesus did,

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like like turn your other cheek when when you Yeah,

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so this kind of forgiving, forgiveness and unconditional love was

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unique to Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: So but in the Vedas did they speak of anything

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like this in the vEDS text? In the Vedic text.

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Speaker 2: The way this, Uh, maybe just see Hinduism is a

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way of life, so they have ingrained in them. For example, Uh,

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they are very tolerant. They practice vegetarian vegetarianism. And then

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there there are genes who believe that they shouldn't even

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harm an insect. So it is it is a way

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off a living for them. But I'm not sure whether

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it's explicitly mentioned as such in the way the texts.

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As much as Jesus keeps on repeating over and over

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again through parables and through stories, and it was it's

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very very simple. The reason why his christ consciousness has

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become so widespread is because it's very simple to follow.

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Unlike the way they texts which can be read and

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understood by a privileged few. So that is where well

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there is a little bit of so here in India.

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as to know the meaning of Sanskrit in which the

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way does. Yeah, so even for me, I don't. I

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I don't know the language. I don't know Sanskrit so

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as much as I know English. So it's uh difficult

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for me to go and interpret and learn that language.

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But whereas uh it is not so in the case

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of uh Jews Bible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with Jesus and histories and the ideas that he

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was putting out. So he was really from from my

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from my research as well. The simpler the explanation, the

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more powerful it is. If it gets too complex to

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under if I have to explain it to you very deeply,

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sometimes it's it maybe there's something off, But like you said,

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those teachings of Jesus, teachings from Yoga, Nana, teachings from Buddha,

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these are very basic ideas to help their truths, their

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truths essentially that that are that ring true the second

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that you hear them, it's it's pretty fast. It's pretty

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fascinating how how Jesus was able to do what he

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was able to do at the time that he was

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able to do it. I mean, he only had a

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few years before they said enough is enough, we got

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to get rid of this guy. I mean it was

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he only he only was you know, really preaching his

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for a few years before he finally said no, you

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gotta go because there's too much of a threat to

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the establishment. And and and from your point of view,

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I mean, the ideas of the Old Testament, the ideas

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of the established Western religions, was about control. It was

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about power and control of the people. Fear. Fear is

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still being taught today every single time you turn your

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television on, afraid, be afraid, be afraid. The only truth

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is with me, or buy my product, because this is

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the only way you're going to be able to survive

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this coming apocalypse. Of it's constant like that, and you're

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keeping everyone fearful. Well, that's what the Bible was doing.

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Old Testament Bible at least was doing to control the

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masses because power and so on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they might the people at the highest level of

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hierarchy might have thought that this was the best way

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to make people listen to so the like, for example,

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the Ten Commandments. So when they about the Ten Commandments,

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they thought that even this I see as an evolution

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of consciousness sense. So see, at that point of time,

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people believed that this was the best way to take

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it to the people, so that they would listen through fear.

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But then now we have begun to understand and we

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have begun to ask questions. And with the evolution of consciousness,

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we know that the idea of for punishing God is

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really fictitious. It's wrong. And when you believe that God

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is your father, where you lose the personal connection when

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you think that God is vengeful, so you have only

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feared and you hide from and you hide from God.

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We hide from God, so we don't have that real

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connection with God. That that is not a real connection.

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I from my point of view, I feel that God

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is my father who will forgive me my Christmases, as

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he has uh said in the as Jesus Christ a

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start us in this in his prayer. So I believe

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that one hundred persons, so I have more connection with

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God as my father. Even the idea of portraying God

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as a father figure based on gender is being questioned these.

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Speaker 1: Days, of course, because end.

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Speaker 2: The experiences are showing that God is formless, and God

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is fur light, and the angels and other every aspirit

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guides they assume forms according to their according to our

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our expectations and our belief systems. So this is what is.

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So we have come. I think we have come a

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long way away from the punishing God and people. I mean,

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these ending experiences. I think God himself is it's not

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an accident. Do you believe it's an accident? It's no,

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definitely not accidents.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's no access at all. And again from

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my experience talking to so many in the years as well,

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is that you know, if you were Catholic or a

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Christian your entire life, you know Krishna is not going

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to show up for you. Like generally speaking, that's that Jesus.

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I have a running joke on the shows, Jesus is

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the hardest working man on the other side, because he's everywhere,

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he's always helping people, he's always bringing people, he's always

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in these near death experiences. But for others, it's been Buddha,

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there's been Krishna, there's been I mean and I started

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going deeper into indigenous near death experiences where they've never

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heard of Jesus. We'll be right back after word from

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our sponsor, and now back to the show, and I'm like,

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who shows up for them? How did they work through

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and their experiences of a near death experience? It is

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pretty fascinating. And the one thing that you were saying,

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and I just want to kind of put an exclamation

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point on it, is that we that we or people

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projected human frailties onto God as a character. And if

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people think that this is the only time it's happened,

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it's pretty much happened in every religion ever, from Hinduism.

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I mean there's a lot of humanistic elements to a

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lot of the Hindu gods. I mean the Greeks hello Zeus.

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I mean they were there was a soap opera going

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on a mountain Limpus. You know, they were cheating on

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each other, they were having kids here and there. I mean,

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it was a pure soap opera. So if you start

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looking at it from that point of view, you start

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to if you look at it critically, and I know

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somebody listening right now, their foundation is they're fighting this

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and it's okay, it's all right. You don't have to

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believe anything that we're saying. But if you start looking

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at it critically and you just start going, hmm, this

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is making sense. I might not like it what they're saying,

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but this is starting to make sense. And maybe this

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is a seed that will start people at least becoming

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curious and reading and listening and watching more shows or

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listening to books or watching whatever to take them down

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a different path. Because, like I said earlier in the day,

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I'm like, if you believe, you're if you have a

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belief system that is separate from others, that is a problem.

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Because God is all one, the concept of all of

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us instead of I it's a weed. We are all

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together in this. We are all connected. If I harm you,

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I'm harming myself. These concepts, as as Jesus said, do

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wanto others as you would like to do onto you,

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these kind of concepts. If it's separation fear based, maybe

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you should start looking into something. Maybe you should start

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thinking about things slightly differently. So I hope this helps

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in that manner. Now I want to go into consciousness

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because that is another area that you are very passionate

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about began what began your journey to understanding consciousness? So specifically,

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what is your definition of consciousness?

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Speaker 2: Consciousness is imperceptible, it is unconscient. It cannot be defined.

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In the first place, your consciousness cannot be defined. But

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there are states of consciousness. The first state of consciousness,

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which you call the awake state, which is extroverted and uh,

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which makes you look at the outside world and your

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activities everyday activities so that belongs to your gross body.

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That is the away stake. And then you have the

480
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dream state of consciousness where your imagination and dreams come

481
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,680
into place. And then you have the third phase UH

482
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,400
phase of consciousness, which is the dreamless state, which is

483
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:38,799
sometimes uh people say that it is a dark place,

484
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but actually it is a dense place. It is it

485
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:48,960
is very dense and UH and everything is everything is

486
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:57,039
silent there. But there is your pure consciousness you will

487
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,000
you cannot call it. The fourth state that is called

488
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:08,280
called thuria. The Mandukya Upanishad, which sure was written after

489
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,840
cry like first or second century a d speaks about

490
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:24,599
turia as unconditioned, unchangeable, non duel, which is adwaita. So

491
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:31,599
this Touria. This consciousness shines upon just like a light.

492
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,199
Just like a flashlight, it shines upon all the three

493
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,840
other states. So Turia cannot be called the fourth level

494
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:47,559
of consciousness, but it shines. It helps to show, like

495
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,079
a flashlight in a dark room, the true nature of

496
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,199
all these three different states, the awake state, the dream state,

497
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,960
and the dreamless state, and these ten from this consciousness,

498
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:08,559
and the story is complete. It is divine. It is

499
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the divine part of every human being. That is your

500
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,000
consciousness and which is unconditioned. That is the.

501
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:28,639
Speaker 1: That's your definition, that's my definition. So the concept of

502
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,239
conscious because I've had so many people on the show

503
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,440
talking about consciousness, is a pretty fascinating deep well of discussion,

504
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:39,559
to say the least. But when you look at it

505
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:43,199
from trying to really get into it, you're like, okay,

506
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,880
if you look at yourself like I am okay, I'm thinking,

507
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,199
I am thinking, and then there's a voice inside of

508
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,280
you saying certain things about you. Yeah, you're too fat,

509
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,360
you're ugly, you're not smart enough. Well that's the ego,

510
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,960
that's the monkey brain talking, yeah, yes, but there is

511
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:07,639
something else behind that that is aware of everything and

512
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:14,079
watching everything yes, that to me at least, is consciousness

513
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:18,599
or the higher self as the player in the game

514
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,360
that we're the video game of life, if you will.

515
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:25,360
We are avatars running around. They are the player playing

516
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,800
the game. Accrude explanation or analogy of it, but I

517
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,320
think it kind of solidifies a little bit of what

518
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,280
it is. That is that fair? What do you think

519
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:36,599
of that?

520
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Alex. The only catch is that unless you

521
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:52,199
come to the point of realizing that these different states,

522
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,400
the three states, the awake state, the dream state, so

523
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,199
these are not reality, but there is a divine reality.

524
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:09,199
There is this consciousness which never changes until then your

525
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:14,480
mind keeps on playing those monkey games. You cannot stop that.

526
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,840
And again Tha open At also talks about the five

527
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:26,000
sheets sheets of consciousness, which are The first one is

528
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:30,079
called the unda myya kosha. Under mya kosha is your

529
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,920
physical self. An unknown means food in Sanskrit refers to food,

530
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,599
so it's made up of your physical body is made

531
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:43,800
up of that. And then you have the prana maya kosha.

532
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:49,239
Prana maya kosha a kosha means sheath, so that is

533
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,360
the oxygen and the energy that is surging through your body.

534
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:58,880
The third one is called Mano Maya Kosha. Mano Maya

535
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,920
kosha is your I need. So the mind is what

536
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,000
keeps on going back and forth. And then you have

537
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:12,960
the Vinyana maya Kosha, which refers to your cognitive abilities,

538
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,239
your skills and all that. And then finally you have

539
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,199
the Ananda Maya Posha. Ununda maya kosha is bliss. So

540
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,760
until you reach and thuria is separate from all these

541
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:34,880
five different sheets of consciousness. When these ways are remote

542
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,320
sheets of corp when these waves are remote, and a

543
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,159
person begins to understand that all this materialism and all

544
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:47,280
this running after and all this competition is just an

545
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:54,639
illusion and the only thing that is you are much

546
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:59,519
more than that. Why do I want myself? Why do

547
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:04,039
I want to limit myself to an ordinary, petty being

548
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:09,079
who's running after so many other things when I am everything?

549
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:17,480
So uh, Until a person comes to realize his or

550
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:22,599
her divine nature, life is really very difficult, Alex. It's

551
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:28,000
it's it's a rat raise and there's so many anxieties

552
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,480
and frustrations and depression.

553
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: So it's it's very interesting that you say that, because

554
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,960
you know, even in my own journey has taken me

555
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,119
a while to figure that out. It's a been a

556
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:43,000
long time, and it does for many people. You know,

557
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,079
it takes time before you figure out that this is,

558
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,199
this is not real what's important in life? And from

559
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:57,320
somebody who was constantly hustling, constantly trying to control and

560
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:01,519
gain and compete with others and all this. But when

561
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,559
as you get older you start to realize, hopefully not everybody,

562
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,760
but hopefully towards the end, when you're about to transition,

563
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,960
you go, wow, that seemed like a lot of waste

564
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,159
of time. We'll be right back after a word from

565
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:25,480
our sponsor, And now back to the show. Everything I did, everybody,

566
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,719
I hurt, everybody, everything I did to accumulate more stuff,

567
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,559
more things. There is no U haul connected, no packing

568
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,519
trailer connected to the hearse. You can't take it with

569
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,679
you really can't take it with you. And when you

570
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,360
understand that, then if you can understand that earlier in life,

571
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:52,000
life becomes a little bit more joyous to work through.

572
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,159
So even now to this point where I am at now,

573
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:58,280
it's like how much bigger of a box to live?

574
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,719
And do you need? You know, after a certain level,

575
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,000
there are certain things that have to be checked off. Security,

576
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,719
you know, you know, protection from the elements, you know, food,

577
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,400
things like you know, a nice place to sleep, you know,

578
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:14,719
as a comfortable place to sleep. Once you're done with

579
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,760
all of that, you know, why do you need a

580
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,119
twenty five thousand square foot home. Like to me, it's

581
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,880
even if I had a billion or ten billion dollars,

582
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,559
I wouldn't. I would be more on the Steve Job side.

583
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,360
Steve Jobs lived in a small neighborhood house and he

584
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,000
was one of the richest people of the world. But

585
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:37,440
he also studied Yogananda a lot, So there's that.

586
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: But it would be a scene. I see those kinds

587
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,519
of people around me also, But it would be really

588
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,400
rude of me to go and break then break their illusion,

589
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,480
because it's they will come to learn it when it's

590
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,719
the right time for them. It doesn't happen. It doesn't

591
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,400
happen to everybody at the same time.

592
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: So, but it's also dangerous to try to break their

593
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,880
illusion as well, because if you challenge somebody's illusion or

594
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,840
challenge their foundation, that is when things happen. That's why

595
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,159
I never preach I never try to transform anybody and

596
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,679
any and any aspect. Like if you like PCs. I'm

597
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:31,239
a Mac person. It's okay, enjoy your PC. You know,

598
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,280
if you want an iPhone or a Samsung. If you

599
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,360
want to eat meat or don't eat meat, if you

600
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,719
want to believe in this or believe in that. If

601
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,039
you start to challenge, that's when problems happen. Now, if

602
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:45,000
they ask you questions, if they become curious, then you

603
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:49,599
might be able to start a little bit. But you can't.

604
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,360
Even then, you still can't just pull the curtain back

605
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,159
because it's too it's too jarring, it's too it's dangerous.

606
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,639
It's really dangerous because it could hurt the relationship, kurt you.

607
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:05,280
But it's interesting to see that.

608
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Speaker 2: So there are see enlightenment has become a common term

609
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:16,239
these days, Like many people are talking about enlightenment. So

610
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,440
unless you but there are so many steps you need

611
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,119
to you need to pass before you reach that particular

612
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,400
point of life. So as you say, when you can,

613
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:31,199
you cannot go and tell somebody that, uh, these are

614
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960
the these are the facts of life, and you have

615
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,400
to listen to you will have to understand that. So

616
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,360
uh in consciousness. Uh Sage Valmiki, who wrote the Ramaina,

617
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:50,360
he has given up he has given up seven steps

618
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:55,760
towards enlightenment. There is a kind of a route to enlightenment,

619
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:01,280
so you will have to uh tackle them one by

620
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,519
one until you reach that particular place which you are

621
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:14,719
talking about. That means your ability to give up things.

622
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,559
So the first one would be so to reach this

623
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,480
point of enlightenment, the first step is you need to

624
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:32,159
have a longing for that, unlike a longing for materialism

625
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:39,360
material things, a longing for enlightenment. So that is called

626
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:43,880
subiksha in Sanskrit. So that would be the first step,

627
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,840
and the second would be self inquired. So when we

628
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,400
see things happening and neared at experiences happening, I mean,

629
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:57,239
there are so many people who are interested in finding

630
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,599
out more about these things. But at the same time

631
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:04,360
that are people who just say no, it's just hallucination.

632
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,039
When it happens to millions of people, still they can

633
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,639
say so self inquiry is a very important aspect. That

634
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:18,760
would be the second stage. This is given by Taitre openership.

635
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:26,840
The third one would be tanu manasa, which means a

636
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,320
weakening of worldly desires, which you and I are discussing about.

637
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,519
So it's not necessary that I should have so much

638
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,519
to make me happy. I can be happy with enough

639
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,199
whatever is enough for me. As you said, the a

640
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:49,800
basic house, some shelter and safety. This would be and

641
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:55,719
the fourth stage would be self realization, which is called

642
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:04,440
in Sanskrit. So unless you realize that this world is

643
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:09,599
illusually you cannot come to that understanding. And then comes

644
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:15,119
a stage of detachment, which is called Assam sabti. So

645
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:22,840
Asam Sati shows you gradually to move away from all

646
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:27,840
these step by step, and naturally, when you have this

647
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,480
kind of detachment, you travel to the next step, which

648
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:34,880
is cessation of suffering. This is what Buddha was talking

649
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,719
about all the time and saying desires a root cause

650
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,519
of all evil, So a cessation of suffering. And finally

651
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:49,239
you have what is called thuria or thuriaa. So that

652
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:53,360
is when you become one with the divine and you

653
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:56,360
don't have all these kind of expectations. I think that

654
00:46:56,639 --> 00:47:02,199
stage mark can be reached only by a very few people,

655
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,760
and they are the sages and the ascended masters. But

656
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:11,519
nowadays a lot of people are getting into that mindset,

657
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:14,840
what with the climate changes and so many challenges that

658
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,039
we are facing today, people are beginning to understand that

659
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,360
there is something, there is a larger reality behind what

660
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,440
we see every day.

661
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, there's no question. I mean the explosion of

662
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,280
the popularity of the show is a testament to that.

663
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:37,239
You know, it's and it's not coming from an egotistical place,

664
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,679
but I look at it from a place of service,

665
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,039
and how many people from around the world are just

666
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,199
dying for this information. They're so curious, more so than

667
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,840
there was five years ago, ten years ago, twenty years ago.

668
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,559
It seems to be amplifying, meaning that there's more people.

669
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,039
And at the second, you know, it's really interesting. The

670
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:02,760
second that people find out what I do now they

671
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,360
have questions. They don't have damnation. And it's private questions,

672
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,760
not public questions, because one thing is to be public

673
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,039
one way, another thing to be private. But privately I

674
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,960
get conversations about is this near death experience stuff real?

675
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,800
Is our channelers real, our medium's real? What did that

676
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,159
yogi say on your show? What did that spiritual master say?

677
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:28,320
And yourself? Are we in a simulation? What does quantum

678
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,440
physics have to do with all of this? Like all

679
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,280
these kind of very large ideas. People are really curious

680
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,639
about it because they're starting to wake up in sense,

681
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,880
even though they might not understand, they're starting to sense

682
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,199
that there is more to this. And do you believe that?

683
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,840
I mean, I do believe that we're going through an

684
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,440
awakening and there's this great awakening happening on the planet

685
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:54,519
right now. It is happening. But is that feeling where

686
00:48:54,559 --> 00:49:01,599
so many people are starting to question established, established systems

687
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,280
that have been in place for hundreds of years, maybe

688
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,639
even thousands of years. I mean, you can look at

689
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,239
the Catholic Church and the struggles it's been having over

690
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,119
the last twenty or thirty years, and you know things

691
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:16,559
are going on decline. And our ideas of money, ideas

692
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:21,119
of economics, idea of compet what's fair, what's not fair,

693
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,280
all that kind of stuff. These are all revolutionary ideas

694
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,400
that are starting to just pop up everywhere where. When

695
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,280
I was a child, there was never even conversation about

696
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,000
this in the public.

697
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I was lucky to be introduced this into this,

698
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,480
like pushed into this, Alex. My childhood was completely innocent.

699
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,440
I was I was a total I mean protected by

700
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:54,239
Indian parents protect their children, especially cultured girl child is

701
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,599
very very special. I was totally protected.

702
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,559
Speaker 1: And we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

703
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:07,480
and now back to the show.

704
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Speaker 2: You know, my mother's death. That was what led me

705
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,480
to that, And afterwards there were a lot of things.

706
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:23,679
Instead of praying for my mother, which the Catholic Church

707
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,639
generally says, pray for the departed souls, so I had

708
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,280
an urge in me to pray to my mother because

709
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,599
I believed in her societyday. I believe that she was

710
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:35,639
a kind of a saint. So I started praying to her,

711
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:40,559
and that was when the magic started happening. There were

712
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:45,639
so many incidents in my life which led to this quest.

713
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:52,360
I mean, see, people don't believe. My regret is that

714
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,880
people don't believe in angels as much as they believe

715
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:02,079
in ghosts. So I believe that I always had a

716
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,639
presence with me, and now I certainly believed that it

717
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:08,800
was my mother who was with me all the time.

718
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,880
And I used to hear a small object, especially when

719
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,880
I was in deep contemplation and working in the kitchen.

720
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:24,239
I used to hear a small object being moved from

721
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,519
one place, or just a paper fly from one place

722
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:32,599
one place to another. So many of these things, like

723
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,039
for example, I had given a gift of a jewel

724
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,880
to a very close relative of mine, and she reported

725
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,039
that the jewel had been lost. She couldn't find it

726
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,400
wherever she had kept it. So after some time when

727
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,360
I visited her, and I just had to keep my

728
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,360
hand in the locker, and I found that jewel.

729
00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:00,519
Speaker 3: There so so many simple nicities happened in my life,

730
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,119
and it was like they were they were wanting me

731
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,320
to wake up because I was.

732
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: I was away. I was a person who was afraid

733
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,119
of everything. I lived in total fear. And I also

734
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:23,000
believe that I could control control everything the people around me,

735
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:28,880
I could save them. But then once when my husband

736
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:33,760
he was diagnosed with a heart ailment and he had

737
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:39,280
to undergo anchioplasty, and even discussing this very seriously, and

738
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,440
the doctor said, said doctor said, immediately, if you have

739
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:49,880
been report to us. So that was when I remember

740
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:54,000
in a cart Tolly's book where he says I wasn't

741
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,840
able to live with myself. At that point of time,

742
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,519
he says, I wasn't able to live with myself, and

743
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:03,639
then he's add a question, then who is the other

744
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,199
I who isn't able to live? So that is the

745
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,079
part that he questioned so that was the exact state.

746
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:17,239
And at the time I just surrendered, I just surrendered.

747
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,159
I prayed to the That was the first time I

748
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,960
prayed to the universe. I prayed to the God said

749
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,480
I cannot live with this any longer. Let me surrender.

750
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:31,559
And afterwards so many things started happening like magic, and

751
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:38,079
there were so many angels around us. It was unbelievable. So,

752
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:43,119
I mean, we have a lot of support, elexents. There

753
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:47,480
are miracles happening every day around us, and the only

754
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:50,280
thing we dismissed them as coincidences.

755
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: M hm, oh yeah, Well let me ask you this,

756
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,840
and I agree, the exact same thing happened to me

757
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,719
with this show. As I surrendered and the second surrendered

758
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,559
and it started, things started to open up, gets started

759
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:06,280
to show up, success started to happen with this show

760
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,480
that I was not, but it was because I surrendered

761
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,960
and stopped trying to control. And can you talk. I

762
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,920
want you to talk a little bit about this concept

763
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,760
of surrender, because, especially in the Western mind, there is

764
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,159
this idea of control and wanting to control everything because

765
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:27,400
that's the egos, because the ego wants the ego doesn't

766
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,719
want you to surrender because then it loses its control,

767
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,000
its power. But when you surrender to a higher power

768
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,320
than yourself, whatever you want to call it, the universe, god, source, whatever,

769
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,000
when you surrender to it, I know people were like, well,

770
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,480
if you surrendered to it, then how do you live life?

771
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,039
You can't just let something else control you that have

772
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:50,199
free will. I mean, all this kind of these kind

773
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,800
of ideas start to creep in, these arguments start to

774
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,719
creep in. And my explanation from my own personal point

775
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,039
of view, and I love to hear yours, is like,

776
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,599
when you surrender, you do not give up the control

777
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:10,119
of the journey. You give up the control of expectation

778
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,360
of what will happen. So you write a book, you

779
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,840
want it to be read by millions of people. But

780
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,679
if the expectation and you try to control that, that's

781
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,000
when it doesn't work. But you still have to write

782
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,960
the book. And once you write the book, you give

783
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,800
it up, like I'm putting it out to the universe.

784
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,480
Whatever needs to happen for this to do this or

785
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:35,159
whatever this is supposed to do for the best of

786
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,079
myself and for the world, let that be. And then

787
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:42,079
but you still have to be active in this process.

788
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:44,920
You cannot just sit down. So do you agree with that?

789
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: Yes, Savender doesn't mean that you don't work for it.

790
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,880
For example, when I wanted to move into a new house,

791
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,800
I visualized how how the house should be, and I

792
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,320
had an idea and not now I I love, just

793
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,639
love this house. I just love this place. And I

794
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:09,639
had to go go through a lot of hard work.

795
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,000
I was definitely helped along the way. But then I

796
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:19,039
don't get frantic about it. I don't get frustrated about it.

797
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,519
I put in all the hard work that I'm supposed

798
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:25,400
to put in. And even the show, this interview Alex,

799
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,639
how would how would I? It is beyond my dreams

800
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:35,400
to be invited to the show and talk to you.

801
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,000
But then how does it materialize? And why didn't it

802
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:44,480
happen earlier? So there is nothing, nothing that it is

803
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:49,400
simply not in my hands. So things happen when they're

804
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,880
supposed to happen, and when you surrender. See that is

805
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,840
why the Course in Miracles is very very relevant because

806
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:05,639
it shows you how the ego can manipulate you. The

807
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:12,440
ego can say that there is a quote in the

808
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:17,440
Course of Miracles which goes like this, The ego shows you.

809
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:22,480
It tells you that it can oppose God's will and

810
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,320
present its own will as a gift to you. But

811
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:29,639
how can we oppose God's will? God's will can never

812
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:34,639
be opposed, So the ego keeps telling you that can

813
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,840
that you can fight against the situation and somehow make

814
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:43,199
things happen. So surrender is having faith in God and

815
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,719
also doing your part at the same time, because sometimes

816
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:51,599
when you keep on struggling and struggling and fighting, then

817
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,480
it becomes more difficult. So there is this idea of

818
00:57:55,559 --> 00:58:01,400
going with the flow, which means that you and let

819
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,719
things happen after you've done your best.

820
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,639
Speaker 1: Right. Is the attachment to outcome is the problem? Is

821
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:12,119
that is the biggest problem we have. Is because if

822
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:14,800
you have this attachment to outcome, you want that a

823
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,199
form of control. You want to control it. And most

824
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:20,800
of us are walking up river, upstream and it's very difficult.

825
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,800
But the water is going to continue to run no

826
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,559
matter what you do. So if anyone's ever tried to

827
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:31,519
walk upstream in a river, you will understand how futile

828
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:33,679
it is. And you might be strong at the beginning,

829
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,159
you might last an hour, you might last a day

830
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,800
walking up but at a certain point you get tired

831
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,960
and you lie down and you let the water take

832
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,599
you where it's going to take you.

833
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,159
Speaker 2: In any way, as long as I was resisting things

834
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:52,000
in my life, I found it very difficult. And also

835
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:57,119
there was so much psychological stress that was building up

836
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:02,480
insight me. So when I and that is a stage

837
00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:07,719
where you place real trust in God, isn't it? So?

838
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:09,920
When you saidder.

839
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: To do this show was one of the scariest things

840
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,719
I've ever had to do in my life, because I

841
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,039
was so fearful of losing everything that I'd done, because

842
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:20,519
I hadn't come out of this spiritual closet yet. So

843
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:24,840
once I surrendered, it taught me so much about the

844
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,400
nature of reality, because things happen and continue to happen

845
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,440
with me in this show that are completely out of

846
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,119
my control. I do not control the algorithm of YouTube.

847
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:39,719
I do not control how people are finding me. These

848
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:43,280
are things that I have no control over whatsoever. But

849
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,719
yet it continues to happen, and yet it continues to grow,

850
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,239
and yet things are happening that are completely out of

851
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:56,440
my control. Once I let go, and then I started

852
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,719
seeing it in other aspects of my life and then

853
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:02,719
when things do a you know, when something negative comes

854
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,360
into the path, I look at it as an opportunity

855
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,960
to grow, as opposed to oh woe is me? Look

856
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,639
what just happened to me? And it's not always easy.

857
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,239
I'm not perfect yet, you know, this is this is

858
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,280
a process. We're all learning on this. You know, we're

859
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,480
not all perfect. But you start looking at things a

860
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:21,199
little bit differently and go, Okay, well this has been

861
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:24,440
placed in my path. Why why is this here? What

862
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:28,039
do I have to learn? How do I approach this? Okay?

863
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:30,400
What are the lessons that I'm really needing to learn here?

864
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,599
Because I don't want to do this again? And these

865
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:35,320
are the way the way I walk the path. Now

866
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,639
we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

867
01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:47,199
and now back to the show. As opposed to the

868
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:50,239
way I used to word be fighting and very male

869
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,599
energy of like I have to control, I have to dominate,

870
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:55,760
I have to compete. I have to do all of that.

871
01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:59,800
And at a certain point, at least as I've gotten older,

872
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,320
it's become much easier to do this.

873
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, then you are in a kind of a

874
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,320
blissful state when you allow that to take over you

875
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:19,760
Instead of feeling disappointed all the time. Yeah, that helps. Yeah.

876
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: So one last question I have for you, where do

877
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,880
you think the future of mankind is going with this

878
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:26,559
great shift?

879
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: So I think many of us have gotten into this,

880
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:44,440
into this bandwagon of consciousness, and I have a question

881
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,559
for you, Elex. Yes, when would the bigger I mean

882
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,960
the biggies really get involved in this? Because there are

883
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,360
so many exciting things happening in near death experiences which

884
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,679
could be made into movies like The Secret or The

885
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:10,679
Soul or even The Ghost, which was an interesting movie

886
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,599
where it's an old movie too. So this is the

887
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,280
most interesting phase of humanity.

888
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:25,119
Speaker 4: And when is when are people who are of consequence

889
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:33,239
going to take this opportunity and take it to the masters?

890
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:39,719
Speaker 2: Because I believe when people realize that materialism is just

891
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:45,320
a delusion, so then they would I mean it's not

892
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,159
as easy as I might make it sound, but still

893
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:53,119
the message. Once the message, even wars could be premitted.

894
01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:58,679
So I am hopeful for humanity because with so many

895
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,000
near death experiences and people coming back with the messages

896
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:07,159
saying we were asked to speak about this to as

897
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:11,000
many people, so this was many people. I've heard many

898
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,760
people say I was afraid to speak about this for

899
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,280
twenty or twenty five years, and now I've come out

900
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,559
of the closet. I'm speaking about this, so there is

901
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:27,239
a larger picture. I'm definite that something good is going

902
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:27,840
to happen.

903
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: But all these things, I would agree with you that,

904
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:35,159
and I've spoken to many of them. That is, like,

905
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:36,960
I have spoken about this in twenty years, but I

906
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:40,000
decided to finally come out and talk about this. And

907
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,039
I hear that again and again and again. But what

908
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:46,920
is it about now that is allowing people to do this?

909
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,079
And I've said this on the show before as well,

910
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,280
is that this show wouldn't have worked twenty years ago

911
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,079
or thirty years ago. It would have been a very

912
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:58,960
difficult thing. There might have not been the audience that

913
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:03,599
is ravenous now for this information wasn't around twenty or

914
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:08,360
thirty years ago. You know, now it's becoming much more.

915
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:11,159
I mean, if you just type in the word near

916
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:15,000
death experience on YouTube, my god, I mean there is

917
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:18,880
so much information now where that that was talked about

918
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,599
like you're crazy, you're insane. These ideas that we're talking

919
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:26,639
about so freely now were looked upon even a decade

920
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:30,559
or two ago. As you're on the outskirts. You're on there,

921
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,559
you're in the fringe of society talking about near death

922
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:39,079
experiences and channeling and christ consciousness and you're a whack job.

923
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:43,039
Where in today's world, there's more and more people not

924
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:47,280
only accepting these conversations, but want these conversations in their

925
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:52,239
lives so they can truly look inward. And and what

926
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,480
did you say? The thing? It was the second self inquiry,

927
01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:00,880
to do self inquiry, yeah, exactly, to to really start

928
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,880
asking these deeper questions. And I do think that the

929
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,880
pandemic did shake the world up with that because we

930
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,679
all had to stop for a minute and go, wait

931
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:13,840
a minute. I kind of like spending time with my family.

932
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,280
I don't want to work to commute two hours a day.

933
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:20,320
You know, these all these questions started to come up,

934
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,440
and it was a jarring for the world. I've never

935
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,840
seen anything like that. Just the whole world stopped for

936
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:28,480
a month or two.

937
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: It was a blow to humanity. Though it was a

938
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,400
blow to humanity. On the one side, it like suit us.

939
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:41,840
It like made us sit up, and even a nature

940
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,960
around us seemed to be it seemed to have more

941
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,840
freedom at that point because we were over exploiting our

942
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,280
natural resources and the birds were coming out when human

943
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:57,559
beings had to stay in those So and what did

944
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,719
what message did we get? What message did we get?

945
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:06,199
The message that the Earth is also a conscious being

946
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,960
and we are doing so much to hurt the earth.

947
01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:17,119
For example, in eighteen not one, when Thomas Youngs spoke

948
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:24,639
about the nature of reality, so the dual nature of

949
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:30,639
particles of atoms, people do not believe him. And now

950
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:36,719
today Clauser he speaks he has got Nobel Price for

951
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:44,760
physics for his work on quantum entanglement. So but then

952
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,280
how do we get the message across to people? So

953
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:53,239
what what was discussed before two centuries has come to

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fruition now in process.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a slow process. And people still to

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this day in the old school of physics are like, oh,

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this quantum physics stuff is ridiculous. We can't it doesn't

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go along with our materialistic point of view. Constant, yeah,

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we can't, we can't allow it. But and for for

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over one hundred years there's been honestly not a lot

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of advances in quantum physics because there's just been this

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fight against it, because it doesn't make sense to them.

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Quantum entanglements completely throws materialism out the door and they

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cannot wrap their head. So just like Galileo, look through

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the telescope, we will not look through the telescope. We

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will kill you, but just look the informations right there. Look, look, look, nope,

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we will not look through the telescope. And that's where

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we are now. I think in many.

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Speaker 2: Ways, unlike Bruce Lipton and Craig Breton, so there are

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very few people who have I just watched the shows.

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I just even on your podcast type what the shows

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the absolutely brilliant. But then yeah, we are making at

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least we're making a headway in that direction. Yeah, sorry,

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I think that people there are many old souls coming back.

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These old souls come with more knowledge, and that is

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why I presume that they can accept these things better

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than people who are like who are older or senior.

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Speaker 5: These young these young souls, these young children, even though

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they are young, they have so much in built in them,

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so they're able to accept all these things.

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Speaker 1: So I have children, I know what you're talking about.

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The new generation coming up are accepting concepts that took

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me years to figure out and understand. But for them,

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they're just like, what do you mean, you know, we

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shouldn't what is racism? They can't grasp the concept to it.

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They're like, really, is that a thing? Oh wow, it's

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these these bigger ideas that we're fighting against. They're just like, well,

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of course, of course I'm hopeful as well. I'm hopeful

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as well, Roselle. Yeah, And now I'm gonna ask you

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a few questions. I ask all my guests, what is

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your definition of living a fulfilled life?

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Speaker 2: A fulfilled life is life with your close your family,

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close ones, and doing as much you can to the

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best of your ability for the people who who are

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close around you. You. Everybody might not be able to

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do a lot of social work. For example, my husband

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is a social worker. He goes out of his way

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to help people, people who he meets on the road,

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and but then I do I don't have the opportunity

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to do that. But then even doing random acts of

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kindness whenever I have the opportunity that would really make

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a person. That is my idea of fulfilled life.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show. How do you define God?

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Speaker 2: God? Is now that I've come to believe that God

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is an integral part of me. I feel very close

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to him and God has come to my rescue so

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many times. So my love for God is unconditional, just

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like his love for me. He loves me, Yo, she

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How are.

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Speaker 1: You and what is the ultimate purpose of life?

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Speaker 2: The ultimate purpose of life? Near Deth experiences say that

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the life which we find so challenging, is really an

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exciting opportunity and it gives us so many flavors and tastes.

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But then many of us struggle so much here, So

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it depends on what you. I think that I think

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life is very exciting.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to say the least. Yes, it's extremely interesting.

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And where can people find out more about you and

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the books that you've written as well?

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Speaker 2: And my books you can find them on Amazon dot

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in an Amazon dot Com. And I've written another the

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third book, co Create with Your Universe, so that also

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can be found on Amazon all over the world and

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in India. You can find my books on Notion Press

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or Amazon dot.

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Speaker 1: And do you have any final words for our audience?

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Speaker 2: Russell, be happy, be satisfied, because you are much larger

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than what society has conditioned you to be so whatever

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your circumstance, believe that you are a part of the Source.

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So that would be my parting words ton.

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Speaker 1: Audience, eucely and thank you so much for being on

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the show. This has been such a wonderful conversation and

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I truly hope it helps somebody out there listening to

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start walking the path of self inquiry and closer to source,

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universe or God, whatever they like to call it. But

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I appreciate you and the work that you're doing in

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the world, my dear Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Alix. It was wonderful to be

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on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for spending this sacred time with

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us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further,

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