Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. It is Monday, November twenty fourth, one
am here in Las Vegas, Nevada, and a little bit
different for this show. Friday night, the word started coming
out that jelly Bean Johnson passed away. Jelly Bean was
the drummer for Morris Day in the time. He was
deep in that Minnesota funk sound, and he was somebody
that I knew from my days back home, and still
kind of surreal. It was shot fucking news when I
found out that jelly had passed. UH started with the
Facebook post, of course, and then once we got confirmation
that night Friday night, It's just it's still weird. It's
like Ace was when Ace passed. That was a part
of my childhood, that was a part of my life.
Like I said, without like Keith said, Keith, Robert war said,
without Ace is no us. And that's I guess I
could say that's true with Jelly too, because, like I said,
who knows where I would be, where what I would
have done, you know, without kiss, without Ace. But I
got to know Jelly from going down to Minneapolis and
when I was living in the Twin Cities as well,
going down to the UH Doctor Mambo's Combo at Bunker's
in Minneapolis, and dude, I was like that scene. It
wasn't really my scene. It was like a funk jam,
but it was. It was phenomenal. It was awesome. And
going down there to hang out every once in a while.
Speaker 2: It was cool.
Speaker 3: It was packed.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 1: Mondays and Tuesdays or Mondays when they did it for
something it's been a while. It was great. It was fun.
And I'm not gonna sit here and say that I was,
you know, super tight with Jelly, because I was not.
But I knew him, and k knew him well enough
or I could text him every once in a while. Ironically,
his birthday was on the nineteenth, which would have been Wednesday,
and I texted him I think Friday morning, actually I
texted him, you know, Mary belated, and he got back
to me that afternoon just a purple heart. And then
later on that night I found out he was gone.
Apparently it was a heart attack. It was a heart attack,
and I have no confirmation on it, but I saw
somebody say that he just he was standing up and
at home and he was gone before he hit the ground.
It's one of those those must have been the window maker.
Jelly was a great dude. Jelly had a smile that
would light up a room, and there was no fake bullshit.
He was just genuinely.
Speaker 3: A dude that.
Speaker 1: Made you feel like you belonged. He was cool with everybody,
and he was one of these assholes that played like
a god with no pick And I busted his balls
about that when he was on the show. And you're
going to hear that interview from February February second, Yeah,
February second, twenty twenty one. It was on the tail
end of the pandemic, tail end of the shutdowns that
were supposed to last two weeks. But that's a whole
fucking difference story, and we're not going to dive into
that because there's no reason for that.
Speaker 3: There's no reason.
Speaker 1: So you hear us talking about that, you hear us
talking about him. You know, he was born in Chicago
in nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 3: He was sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Hold on, where is it, dude, dude, dudeoo, nineteen fifty six,
just turned sixty nine years old and he's gone. Sixty
nine is fairly young now, as we all know.
Speaker 3: But it's sad.
Speaker 1: It's a huge loss for obviously the Minneapolis, Minnesota music community.
He was doing a lot to help out the music
community there, and uh.
Speaker 3: Just big loss for the music world. I mean working
as a producer and.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously you know, the drummer for the time,
you know, a produced j Jackson black Cat was one
of the producers on that, and we get into that,
we talk about.
Speaker 3: That, and he was a metal fan. He loved eighties rock.
Speaker 1: He talked about he was talking about all the guitar
players in the eighties.
Speaker 3: And it's sad.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to you know, usually crack one for
the working man, but uh, I'm gonna crack one for Jelly. Cheers. Man,
you are already missed. If I had a Jack, gotta
be doing a Jack as well. So what that said,
without further ado, I'm not gonna get into any of
the promo, but sign up for the Patreon It's only
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Speaker 3: See there it is.
Speaker 1: It's out of the way. I'm going to play the
ten bell salute because you know that's usually how we
start the show when somebody passes but the way I'm
doing this is I'm just gonna just talk to you
for nearly eight minutes and that's enough. So here it is.
Here is the interview from two Thy twenty one February
second with now the late jelly Bean Johnson.
Speaker 2: Hi, this is Bobby Brown, and welcome to another fucking podcast.
Speaker 4: Kids with your loud music and your Dan Fogelberg, your Zeema,
hula hoops and pac Man video games. Don't you see
people today have attention spans that can only be measured
in namo seconds.
Speaker 5: Old legends gonna die.
Speaker 6: They just fo wait back a legend and a ladder
work from.
Speaker 3: The Yes, it is party time. Hello Hollywood, Hello world,
and hello my loyal minions. It is good to see you,
and it is always good to be seeing. My name
is Ezzie Presley, and yes, this is another fucking podcast.
Have a great show coming up for you today. We
are live. It is one pm Hotel, California time, and
on the blower I have my good friend jelly Bean
Johnson and they get into him in just one second.
Kind of doing this a little bit different. There is
no h there is no video today, and I'm trying
to get his audio going in here, and we will
get that in just one second, because I have not
used this gimmick in a while. The speaker default same,
jelly bean, just give me a little something. I want
to make sure I got you here. I want to
make sure everybody else can hear you.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'm here, all right.
Speaker 3: Cool, all right, we got you.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I mute you again for a second. I
just want to make sure we were working all right,
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All that good you guys know, all that kind of
good stuff. So I've got a guy with me right
now that you know him from the motherfucking time. He
is a part of that Minneapolis sound. It's a guy
that I've known for a long time and the first
time I've ever been able to interview him, Ladies and gentlemen,
the drummer for the motherfucking time, Jellybean Johnson, Welcome.
Speaker 2: How y'all doing. How you doing, Kelly, dude, it's great
to us.
Speaker 3: It's great to hear your voice. Last time I saw you.
A lot of people aren't going to believe us, But
every time Jelly comes to town, I hit him up
and hopefully we can get together and I have a drink.
And the last time it happened, and believe it or not,
it was at the whiskey of Go Go At a
La Guns concert.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, I remember that. That was a lot
of fun. Bu dude from La guns Man, Tracy guns Man,
Tracy guns.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, dude, it's awesome. So how are you doing, man,
Obviously you're trying to keep busy. How's it going up
in the good old Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we got snow and all that shit.
You know, it's just it's just struggles real. You know,
we just opened back up. You know, we were closed
man since uh November, and we just opened back up
two weeks ago. Yeah, and it's only till ten o'clock,
you know. So it's it's hard man. You know, all
my all my national gigs been gone for almost a
year now, and March the next month it will be
they will be gone a year and the uh my
local gigs kind of dried up too for a minute.
You know. Yeah, I'm back playing. At least I'm at
least I can play the guitar. I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right. That's right. Well, I thought it
was hilarious, like, yeah, you guys can do outdoor dining.
It's like, uh, mister Walls, it's the beginning of January.
Nobody's gonna sity outside.
Speaker 2: Of your hot way, you know, Minnesota.
Speaker 5: Uh hell no, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right right, Jelly. It's funny because I've known you for
a long time, but I've never like dove into these questions.
I've never asked you about your history. It's like, yeah,
of course I know you from the time and seeing
you at the at the combo and all that kind
of stuff. That's kind of how we met. Yeah, yeah,
where did it all start for you?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What was the first stuff that you heard that made
you go out, God, damn it, I really got to
do this.
Speaker 2: Uh. Well, it started, man. My mom moved me here
from Chicago, man in nineteen sixty eight to keep me
out of the gangs. The gangs were were recruiting me,
and my mother just was not having it, man, So
she moved me here in nineteen sixty eight. And and
and you know, it just kind of basically changed my life.
You know, it was kind of culture shock for me
because I came from a completely urban area in Chicago,
you know, and when I got here, it was like
it was like culture shock, you know, because uh, you know,
a prime example is radio. Black radio was twenty four
seven in Chicago when I got here. It was only
four hours a day, one to five o'clock in the afternoons,
right right. So that changed my life drastically, just that alone,
you know, being a little shorty that listened to black
you know music all day twenty four seven to and
you know, now I had to listen to white radio stations.
But it changed, it changed me musically, you know, it
made me listen and appreciate, you know, Rare Earth and
Grand Funk Railroad and Black Sabbath and you know, Bob Dylan,
all these, all these did me. You know, I kind
of write white rockers and stuff and so so that's
how I started, man, you know. And she finally from
the ages from eleven to twelve, uh, you know, she
would buy me these drum sets, man, you know, cause
she got tired of me buying, you know, beating on
her pots and pans and coffee table and shit. She
would buy she she would buy me these drum sets.
But the only problem is that they'd be tore up
Christmas night, you know, because they were made of paper.
They wasn't really you know, there was just a little
toy ass drum sets. So when I turned thirteen, man,
right here, and when I moved to Minnesota, she bought
me a drum set I couldn't tear up, you know,
bought me one with real heads on it and stuff,
you know, and that started it. You know, I finally
got a drum set, and it started, you know, I
started learning how to play, teaching myself how to play.
And she saw that, you know, I was serious about it,
so she got me these lessons. You know at me,
she said, well, you know, you seem like you're serious
about it. I'm gonna get you these lessons. But the
only problem about lessons, bro is you know it's a
little shorty and you go to school five days a week, man,
and you go there, you gotta be there eight o'clock,
eight to three or whatever, and shit, five days a week.
Well then when Saturday comes, the last thing you want
to do, man, is go to a damn drum let center.
Whatever kind of lessen am bro?
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, right right right? What did you get?
Did you get in trouble at school for? Uh, you know,
banging on the tables and ship?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 2: Uh, well I sometimes, but you know, my teachers are
pretty cool about and stuff.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: You see, I wasn't only I wasn't the only badass
kids in the class. So I was just one a
mini So yes. Anyway, so after after like you know,
six months and stuff, and you know, me going to
these lessons and then, trust trust me to my mom
had to take me. So she wasn't too happy about
that either, getting up that damn early. But the teacher
wasn't really teaching me what I wanted man, you know,
I wanted to learn James Brown and Side the Family
Stone all that kind of stuff. And he was trying
to he trying to teach with Jerry le Lewis and
all this rock crap. So I was like, ma uh uh.
So she said, okay, fine, baby, you know you can
go back to listen to the radio. Listen to the radio,
listen to the records, and learn how to play.
Speaker 3: So I just taught myself, you know what, And did
do you teach yourself guitar too?
Speaker 2: I taught myself guitar too.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: This is this little story about that too. When I
you know, during this time around one fifteen, about fourteen fifteen,
I had a cousin man that was living with us.
You know, he had some problems or something. So he
came to live with me and my mom, stepfather and
my brothers, and he had a guitar, right, and he
was he was playing the guitar and everything and uh
and he wasn't that serious about it, right. So anyway,
after about a month or so, you know, he went
back home, but he left the guitar at my house.
So I started teaching myself how to you know, how
to play the guitar, and after about a year, you know,
I got good at it, you know, at least decent,
you know, at least I kind of knew what the
hell I was doing. So anything. Once again, the one
problem with that is he came to our house, you
know again and saw that I got good at it,
so he took it.
Speaker 3: Ah Jesus.
Speaker 2: So my mom once again she stepped up and saw
that I had got decent that I got good at
so she bought me a guitar, and so I started
teaching myself how to play that too.
Speaker 3: What was then a brown huh? So fourteen fifteen? What
year was that? I had to be seventy okay, okay.
Speaker 2: You know, nineteen seventy seventy one, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So what was the first guitar?
Speaker 2: Wow, I want to say the first one she bought
me was a Citizen Roebuck uh Tesco del Rey kind
of thing. You had like four pickups in it, and
is it you probably you know? Oh yeah, you know.
And it's funny too, man, because I remember seeing Prince
Man back when we were at that age, like fifteen
fourteen fifteen. Man, he had one of them Sears silver
tone guitars. You remember serious Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually those those, dude, those were actually pretty
fucking high quality good guitars there.
Speaker 2: They sounded as good as hell, is it? You know? Man?
I bet they sound good today. They probably cost a
bunch of money if you can fire one.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I never I never forget seeing press man
when but like thirteen years old, man with a big
ass afro, and he had one of them silver tone guitars.
Man with a little fuzz box sticking inside this. You
know this, this was pticular fuzzs box. They it was
electro Harmonet's and you stuck it actually inside the guitar.
Jesus man, he sounds just like Santana, Like, oh God,
I said, who was this little short? You know? Yeah?
Right right?
Speaker 3: Well we'll get into that that stuff in the second year.
I just saw to go back to the guitar. No,
you're one of these fuckers that pisses me off because
I can barely play fucking a chords with a pick.
You're a no pick using guy, aren't you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'm is it the story about that too? Man?
As I started when I was teaching myself, I had
a pick, but I got tired of it, flying that
hell across the room every time. I got tired of
that shit, man, So I figured my thumb was attached
to me. Yeah. I started teaching myself how to play
with my fingers, man, and it worked out. Everybody freaks
out now and they see me play with my aingers
like that. But when I think about it in hindsight,
and it's a lot of world famous guitar players I
played without, you know, without picks. I mean, I was
just watching Jeff Beck on YouTube last night and he
uses his thumb like me, his thumb and his whamy bar,
and you swear to god, he was using the pick.
I was like, hell does he do that? He's alien, man.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, it's like, dude, I watched Richie
cottson He's one of my gods, and he has.
Speaker 5: Another one, another one.
Speaker 2: He is scary, man, like another dude with his thumb.
I say, so, maybe maybe I'm not sold, you know,
maybe maybe I did catch on the summer.
Speaker 3: Right then, and then he can sing like a motherfucker
on top of it. So did you know Prince at
that time? I mean, did you did you just see
him out? I mean, I'm kind of curious how this,
So just bear with me for one second.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I'm met him, man, I'm met him.
I want to say junior because you know, I went
to junior high school, to school called Lincoln Junior High
and elementary school that he went to was right next
door U John Hay. It was called John Hay or
whatever and shit, So I want to say I met
We've met him like that, and we both had interest
in music. And I remember playing basketball with him on
his driveway man, at his dad's house. Years. We had
to be like, you know, fourteen and twelve or thirteen
and fifteen or some shit like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: We had this common interest in music. So that's that's
how we well.
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing that kind of sparked this. I mean,
obviously everybody wants to ask you about that kind of stuff.
But back when, man, when I was working at Guitar Center,
he Dinah g Sharp, Greg would come in and everyone
he would show that picture of everybody when you guys
were kids, and it was like a whole fucking crew,
And I'm just like, okay, how did was it just
a common interest between all of you? Is there just
because you were black kids. I mean, how did it
all come together?
Speaker 2: You know? Is it? That's still to this day I'm
sixty four years old now, you know, I don't know.
I think it was a blessing that it came out
that way, that I land in a community that that
all so many kids, my my peers were my age,
were in the music. You know, music and sports. That
was our thing, man, you know, and music and basketball
and all that. Yeah, and all these all these cats
were into that. So that's we had all these common
interests man, And that it just worked out.
Speaker 3: And how how did I mean because obviously Prince when
he did he went and did his thing. But you've
got all this talent in this group of this this
picture I saw, how did it all get split up
into Okay, this is gonna end up being the time? Okay,
and okay, this is this is gonna be Princess.
Speaker 2: You know, we didn't know, we didn't know it started out.
You know, we were all the rival bands, you know,
Prince and uh and and more. Well, Morris came later
was in Grand Central. I was in flight Time with
Terry Lewis and David Island and you know, and later
on Jimmy dam came in the later Cynthia Johnson from
Fucking Town Fame, and all these people met and we
just we had rival bands. If you can imagine that
is at fifteen years old.
Speaker 5: Fifteen fifteen years old.
Speaker 2: We had these badass bands and we were like teenagers.
Speaker 5: Yeah that could play, yeah, you know, and yeah, you
know it.
Speaker 2: Was it was kind of I guess, you know, it's
amazing that the stars aligned like that, but it did.
And uh, we we you know, we were black, and
you know, we couldn't play you know, we couldn't play
the right clubs and stuff. So we play all the
little sororities and black you know, black functions and stuff
like that. And that's how we got good Man. And
we were practice all the time. We'd go home, you know,
we'd come home from school, Man and if we didn't
have basketball practice or football banks whatever, and then we would,
you know, by six o'clock we were all in our
respected basements, you know whatever whatever. Basically we were rehearsing
at and we was playing music and learning you know,
the top funk town funk tunes of the day. That's
what we're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're a bigger dude, did you was
there any thought about trying to follow the athletic dreams?
Speaker 2: You know, I tried it, but I just wasn't quite
good enough, isn't you know? I started for my basketball
team and all that, you know. And it's funny too
because my coach at the time, he actually he said
it to me even you know, sixteen, except that you say,
if you just had just the slight more, if you
were just a flight more better, you'd be a star,
you know, right right, you know, and he could see it.
You know, he knew I had it. You know. It's
just like any I was good enough to start, but
I wasn't good enough to be, you know, in that
next you know, you know, make much of money and
then I had. But you know, I had this infinite
love for music too, So I just I embraced that.
I did the athletic things as long as I could,
and I just embraced music all the time.
Speaker 3: Bruce checking in from Canada, got to play my Canada
Noise for him. You, Bruce says, while playing at fifteen,
I can't get my sixteen year old off the PlayStation
for fifteen minutes. Well, I mean yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: That's time I feel this saying, you know, because my
teenage I get on them all the time. We've spoiled
them because now with all this computer shit and social media.
Kiss though, is when I was fourteen to fifteen, that
was my I was. I was, you know, playing my
intimate all the damn time, those two intimates I was.
That was my playtime. Yeah, you know, and kiss. Now
there's too many distractions with the social media. And you can,
damn you can you know that you can make a
record at your house, you know what?
Speaker 3: R well right, well, I mean Eddie Trunk has a
great point about that. He's like, yeah, we have the
technology where anybody can make a record, but it's sad,
but it's unfortunate that we have the technology that anybody
can make a record. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Eddie, absolutely right, right, right, absolutely right.
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everybody everybody contributes that to Prince, But I have a
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You got everybody, you know in that whole community. Was
it a combination of all of yours? What where did
it come?
Speaker 2: You know? Well, you know, you know, is it? Everybody
asks me about that, and and that's always my stock answers.
I say, it started with Prince. You know, it started
with him, and we just we just took our que
from him. We learned from him. Now granted now, and
you notice this, there's a lot of prominent white musicians
as we're here that had great bands back and then
you know back you know, Bob Dylan's from here had
the Masonic, we had Suburbs, all these all the replacements,
all that. You know, we had that side, but we
were like the funky side, you know. So it started
with him, and it started in nineteen seventy eight when
he did his first record. And I'm gonna tell you
this too, man, it goes back to us being kids again.
I didn't know Prince.
Speaker 5: Had it like that, bro real, you know.
Speaker 2: I knew he was yeah, I knew he was a
great guitar player, and I knew he could play the
keyboards really well. I didn't know about the bass and
the drums and him sounded like a one man, damn band.
So can you imagine how Florida I was in nineteen
seventy eight when four You comes out and so often
with and I'm thinking, it's a damn.
Speaker 5: Band, right, and it's.
Speaker 2: Him by himself.
Speaker 3: So he recorded everything everything on that record.
Speaker 5: He did everything, He did every damn thing.
Speaker 2: So you know that that definitely rubbed off on a
lot of us, man. And that's when you have so
many musicians here that played multiple instruments because they saw him,
they saw the you know, the effect that he had.
And he sounded like one day I mean singing. I
mean he virtually could do everything, man. Yeah, And I
didn't know that when we was twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old,
you know, head forgivest each other. I didn't know that shit, right, Yeah,
I mean that dude.
Speaker 3: I mean, not to go back to Cottson, but that's
Cottson too. Cottson records everything himself. It's just it pisses
me off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No. And and to be you know, profision every instrument.
You know, I've been I'm you know, I've been lucky
enough just to do the little ship I know on
the drums of the guitar. I wish I did have
it like that on keyboards and bass and all that ship.
I wish I had to put in the time lorbos
you know.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, dude, I know exactly what you mean. I mean,
I mean, yeah, I can play bass if I have to.
It's always the joke, Oh you play the bass, you
couldn't figure out how to run the lights.
Speaker 2: But well, I was, I was teaching a boy somebody
to play bass, and damn, damn Terry Lewis, Yeah, the
legendary Terry Lewis, Yeah, borrow my bass bar. He was
teaching these kids. He was teaching bass lessons. I had
bought one from Bonn Shop and he borrowed it and
never gave it back, and I never hit him his
ass up to get it back. So I kissed myself
every day. Well, because I would love to be proficient
on the bass too, because then I could be you
know pretty much, you know, I could least be a
poetry all at that point.
Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, So how did the time start? Then?
Speaker 2: The time started?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you know, originally is he and
I know this is out there in the universe. I
wasn't supposed to be in the time man, because you
know me and Morris. You know, me and Morris were
drummers coming up. You know, we used to at twelve
years old, we used to play our drum sets in
his mom living room side by side. Oh wow, yeah,
so you know, so he you know, we grew up,
you know, having this love for the drums. So we
were drummers and shit. So anyway, you know him at
Prince got Tight Stuff and he was living with Prince,
and then Prince had taken him down on the road
and he was filming him. So anyway, they came back
and you know, they Morris was living with him at
this time, and Stuff was staying with him and they
would just play music all the damn time. You know.
So anyway, Morris came up with this little groove. He
can barely play Keyboys, but he came up with a
groove that Prince liked called party Up Okay, And Prince
told him say, well, dude, I can either give you
money for the tune or I can help you get
a bit and Morse chose the band. Now, the only
problem with that is he is that I'm a drummer too.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Me and they were like best friends, but I'm drummer too.
So anyway, anyway, he chose the band. Some Prince knew
about flight Time because you know, we had been rival bands,
you know, against each other, so he told him, you know,
he set up a meeting. By this time, you know,
flight Time had Bob, you know, Alexander O'Neill's our lead singer.
You know, we had you know, Jimmy jam had joined
the band by then and stuff, and we were just
you know, doing the little Chiplin circuit around here and
stuff with the black Black clubs that we could play
or whatever, a black functions that we could play. So anyway,
so Prince had him set up a meeting. Prince Morse
at up a meeting with the remaining members of the Time,
and I mean Morse felt bad that, you know, because
he wanted to do he was gonna be the drummer,
Alexander O'Neill was gonna be the singer, and uh he yeah,
I wasn't, you know. So he felt bad, but he
said being you know, he had a cousin at the
time that had a hit record, and he was, well, Bean,
I can help you get it. But anyway, that's nonetheless.
So anyway, they would had the meeting and of course
it's out there, it's fame. The famous meeting is you know,
Alexander O'Neil and Priss were.
Speaker 5: Like aill in water. Didn't work out, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so he went after the meeting, Prince got
up and walked out of the meeting and he called
Morris and told me said, you know what, you know,
go get Jellybean and we put jelly Bean in the band,
and you're gonna sing. And More was like, well, dude,
I don't want to sing. He said, yeah, I'll teach you. Yes,
you will. Oh wow, And so you know, yeah, so
that's how I ended up being the drummers.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's wild that Prince had that ear where he heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had an exceptional ear bro. Even at a
young age, he could hear. And he always he always
admired the you know our band flight Time from Afire.
You know. Another big part of another big part of
the Minneapolis sound was you know, he when he used
to watch us when we were a flight Time, we
had like four horns, four or five horns when Cynthia
Johnson played, and he always admired that we had a
horn section. So he he that's when you hear all
that shit, all those horn lines on keyboards, that's what
he did. Wow, he started doing you know, all them.
So that's where he got I bet my life on that.
That's where he got a lot of that from the
horn lines because he would play them on keyboards because
they didn't have his band grand sicher didn't have a
horn section. Okay, okay, So he learned how to play
out all those horn lines and stuff on keyboards, and
that it was in sound in itself. You know.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny that you say that is because so much,
especially in the seventies, that everybody was creating everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, the Boston, that Boston record, he
created all of that in his basement.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yah, And dude, don't you know it's
funny that you bring up Tom shows Man because I
used to remember that little Rockman thing. Yeah, man, it's
most of my solos in those early eighties on them records.
Man that I did was still one of them, Dann Rockman's. Yeah,
people there, that's what I like being. That's why. No,
it was through Rockman, through the soundboard.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 2: Sometime I would attach like I'd touch a little bass
heavy metal pedal to it or something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it would sound bigger than life.
Speaker 2: Man. I was like, I was totally fucking impressed. Man.
When I heard that, I was like, how could this
little walk man looking things? So you go back and
listen to a lot of those eighty records and ship
You know, there's a lot of guitar solos done. Sure,
nothing beats the marshals in the studio. I'd done that too,
with the Marshall cranked up and my audit. But no,
that rockman ship Man, Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, that's so wait a minute, Wait a minute. So
you were the drummer at the time, but you were
playing guitar on the records.
Speaker 2: I was playing when I started doing production for when
I when when I started doing productions on my own,
my own productions. That's oh okay, okay, yeah, my dad,
so uh.
Speaker 3: But the time had the greatest fucking gimmick of them
all with Jerome and the mirror.
Speaker 1: Do you remember was that for the move or was
that going on before Purple Rain?
Speaker 3: Kind of tell me that was going on?
Speaker 2: That was that was going on before Purple Rain? Man?
You remember, you know when Prince. Immediately after you followed,
he decided who the band's gonna be. He Prince put
us to boot camp, you know, seven days a week,
eight hours a day. Bro.
Speaker 5: So wow.
Speaker 2: So that's that's when all of that started. We used
to we used to rehearse a little club over here
here in Minneapolis called Yasm, you know, and we used
to we used to rehearse there every day, like I said,
about eight nine hours whatever, and Prince as being there
putting us through the ropes instead. So anyway, and this
is our little cartoon, Tales of the whatever. Yeah I saw, yeah,
but that's that's actually happened. We were rehearsing one day
and Prince was there watching us and we were going
through our little stick and uh more you know, and
uh the stick and say somebody, somebody bring their mirror.
And Jerones asked, you know, he was like doing this time.
He was just like, you know, little helper. He's Terry
Lewis's brother anyway, so he's always drums and yeah, so
he you know, he's a little shorty. So he said that.
And Jerome got up one day man, and it's this
little club that we were in and stuff. It was
a mirror on the wall. He snatched the mirror off
the wall and ran up in front of us and
put that in front of Morris. Chris lost his Damn
you gotta use that, man, I gotta use it.
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's just fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2: And that's how that happened, brother, that's how you know
that he droned Jerome was becoming famous. Didn't even know
it because he's, like I said, he was just you know,
he was our ballet I roadie and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh my god. It's just it's so funny
because it's so it's so iconic. I I host this,
I'm lucky enough to host this, uh this jam in
Hollywood when we're actually able to be adults and be
in public. And one of the one of the songs
they did one time was it was I think it
was jungle Love, and I pulled I pulled the fucking
mirror off the wall in the back in the in
the green room, went out on stage, and I was
fucking doing the whole thing. I mean, it's just, yeah.
Speaker 2: People know. And the thig about it, Yeah, the figure
about it is if people go nuts, they know exactly
what you're doing when you do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So how long after Purple Rain did that
wave last? How long before it started to fizzle?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, Well, you know, because we all started going our
separate ways. The thing that's you know, More started going solo.
You know, that's when he came up with you know,
he started doing Oak Tree and all that range, you know,
And so so we for like that that between like
eighty six up to like ninety you know, it kind
of calmed down there and goes you know, purpar Raine
was gone. Man, that we all was doing solo shit.
I was producing, man, Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I was.
The time wasn't the time wasn't the round you know,
because Morris was on the solo shit. You know. So
that's when it kind.
Speaker 3: Of I tapered off, and I did want to I
did want to dive into the producing stuff too a
little bit. I mean black Head, How did it was,
uh Vernon Reid that played guitar on Black Cat? Correct?
Speaker 2: No, No, see that's I thought.
Speaker 3: That's like everyone said, I'm.
Speaker 2: Further explained it to you, bro that Okay, that's the thing.
First of all, let me just set it up by
some of the most famous guitar players in the world
had played on remixes for Black Cat. Okay, that that
that is? That is crazy as hell. And I'll name
you some of the cats.
Speaker 5: Here please do won't believe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well for what? Okay, so the original one is, Uh,
it's a cat here named Dave Barry. I did the original.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was finding the band out here on the strip
on Eddie Webster's Man. And so anyway, Janet approached me,
man that real on black Cat. She brought me a
cassette with that real black Cat on a cassette with
her with somebody. I don't even think it was her
playing that riff on a piano. Only ship a piano, Yeah,
and me and yeah, that was on a fucking piano.
So then so she brings it to me, right, and
I hear that now. Granted, by this time, I'm into
the heavy metal ship. I'm in the heavy metal scene
big time, even though I'm black funk you know Cat,
I'm loving Van Halen, I'm loving rat Docking, all these
different you know, iconic black sabbage, all these bad I
had grew up on that ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
I told her, I thought, you know, by this time,
we had. You know, we're into her second record, we're
in the Rythm Nation. By now, we had done Control.
I had played you know, a heavy solong one of
so on her Control album, on want of her songs.
But anyway, so I sit there and I looked at her.
I said, jan you know, I said, your brother, I said,
Michael has beat it and Therty dying. I said, I said,
it would be really cool, you know, if we did something,
if you had your own. She said, well, yeah, Bean,
you know, and now granted, now is the Black Rhythm Nation.
The whole album is done right now. She didn't approach
Terry Jimmy body and they just well just give it
to Bean. You know, they brew it up because they
didn't think it was nothing and of it right. So
so she gets this to me. So I started recruiting.
Now you know, I got Dave Barry uh program drum
machine in there and ship and just you know, and
I was like, you know, I brought it brought just third.
I read of a Marshall I played, I had David
play and granted too, I didn't even play. You know,
Jesse justin did this day. Jesse justin doing it cussed
me out. Because I didn't play the solo. But I
was like, I just I was in total producer mode. Man,
I wanted this ship to sound as close to what
was going on in the heavy rock scene, on the
heavy metal scene during time, So I.
Speaker 5: Knew to do that.
Speaker 2: I had to get catch that would do that. So
David was into that show. He's a world class guitar player.
He ended up being her guitar player for like over
ten years.
Speaker 5: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, so he we went into the marshall.
I had him play one pass through a rockman through
a tom show, and then we came back and doubled
it with a bucking Marshall man and so that, and
then the solo came and I thought about it for
two seconds. I said, no, David, you deserve it, because
you know he had laid that ship out. It was
sounding the heavy as hell. I said, you go ahead,
you hit the solo man. So he hit the solo
and ship man and and it came out. I called,
I called Jen, I said, I think I got something.
She came to the studio. We kicked everybody out of
flight time kicked him out, you know, because you know
you're not allowed is you you you know you lod guitars. Yes, yes,
a lot of guitars have changed the Muganda's places.
Speaker 3: One hundred watts of testicular attitude.
Speaker 5: My friend yep.
Speaker 2: So we uh, we kicked everybody out and she wrote
wrote the lyrics, and me and her sat there and
through the night we got the lyrics down and and
Terry Jimmy came in the next day or what damn
blowing away. You know, they couldn't believe it. I said, yeah,
that's what we got. So anyway, the reason there's so
many famous guitar players on there, and when it came
him out, all the heavy metal casts lost they damn
mind right, but he's like Moley Crue all of them.
They were like Janet Jackson's doing that. Yeah yeah, so there,
so A and M had a bunch of remixing. You know,
remixes were big back in the day. So we you know,
Bernon Reid did a pass, Johnson did a pass. Uh.
When I did the video. If you go on the
MTV video, I got newn Old Buttercott yeah yeah those
ass yeah, he he did. He did all the rhythms
and ship you know, for the for the TV version
that you hear. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. So that's why
you hear all these different versions. I did one with
Jesse me and Jesse's sucking up a dance one. You know.
So when you hear all these different versions, yeah, yeah,
I remember the one from Bernon. He just won the
many famous. I'm probably leaving a couple other guys that
took passes at itude.
Speaker 3: Dude, that's just it. Yeah, I just I remember when
I came out. I was like, dude, this is this
fucking rocks and Janet. I mean, the vocal performance on
that is just fucking Yeah.
Speaker 2: I told her, Yizzy, I told her, I said, maybe
I want you to sound like a rock and roll queen.
I told her that, you know, I tell her, And
like I said, we kicked there and kicked my fiance
at the time out. We kicked her, her boyfriend out,
We kicked everybody else. Jimmy's ass wasn't around. Black people
have black people have a problem with loud guitars. I've
been through that bullshit. Kick everybody out and that's what
we got.
Speaker 1: Just really quick, have you mentioned Van Halen? Did you
ever have a chance to meet Eddie or anybody that
I never.
Speaker 2: Did, and I always loved them, man, I always fucking
loved it. As a matter of fact, Jeroman Morris went
on a ward show one time and told me they
had met him and say he was raving about the
time and stuff now and we came close one time, man,
when they you know, they went on to one year
you know in the later years, uh, I think eight
or something like that, and they had Cool in the
Gang you know.
Speaker 5: Open for them, man, yeah, yeah, And I was like, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, I was like, fuck man, I said, the
time could have opened for them. Man. Oh god, if
they got Cool in the Gang, could you imagine us
and them that ship? Was it? Damon ly rough Man,
Damien Roth. I love Dave Man too, man. I love
Sammy too. I love Babe, especially because he acts like us.
Speaker 3: So you know, do you know why they had bands
like Cool in the Gang opening for him?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: It was an ego thing. So they didn't get out
sold in T shirts and ship like that. That was
didn't mean it wasn't It wasn't. It wasn't like these
guys suck thing. It's just like it was just an
ego thing. They don't like gettying out sold in T
shirts and just little.
Speaker 2: Show wow wow, because they freaked me to I said, cooling.
It didn't make it. But then I thought about it,
I said, well, maybe it did. And I heard it
was great. They had a cooler gang loved it because
you know we've done many shows with them. They love
that ship.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course, of course. And that's like I said,
I mean, it wasn't any slight on cool the game.
It was just's just say, hey man, we just don't want.
Speaker 2: To get on to different genres. Yeah, yeah, exactly made
all the sense of the world. When I thought about it,
I was like, once again, man, god damn, we should
have been you know, but that powers didn't be here
to let it happen. But that would have that would
have freaked. That would have been some ship. Oh yeah,
would have got a fucking badass.
Speaker 3: Just a couple more questions for the before we go
to Breakley and come back, and for the reason that
you are here is your brand new record, Jelly B.
Johnson Experience to Get Experienced, which is out now available
through your website. We'll get to all that in a
second here. But so what uh it was what eighteen
years until the time got back together, right.
Speaker 2: Well, I won't say eighteen. I see more like you
know what we stopped, you know when More started doing
this ship around eighty five, and then we about about
nine years later Man ninety four ninety five, we got
the money, we got we put the Morse Day in
the Time version back together because remember originally it was
the time without original Man, there was this time. Okay, okay,
when he came back, we did more because you know,
by this time all of us had done ship, Morrison
had his solo career and everything, and then Prince was
tripping too. He didn't want us half the time. We
couldn't use the name the time because he was tripping.
Speaker 5: Oh good, so of course, yeah, so we went through that.
Speaker 2: So it was either he was tripping about us using time,
and I think that's basically because he had problems with.
Speaker 8: Terry and Jimmy here too, so so he would always
He was cool for a few years, and then the
more and more the darker he got in his life,
the more and more he started causing more problems, but
he always let Morris.
Speaker 2: He never challenged More about the Morse Day in the
Time version. So that's why you had that.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and then you guys ended up in Jane
Bomb Strike Back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan silent man.
Speaker 3: Before we get to that, I just have this one
one Prince question because this is about you. But obviously
you know these questions are going to come out. Did
you ever did you see that Kevin Smith's story about
how we got them how he got permission to use
the time in the film?
Speaker 2: I heard about you. I know for a fact that
Kevin is a big fan. Uh you know, we did
a couple of things when that movie came out and stuff,
and he always he always showed us a lot of
the lot of stuff. But I heard about this, but
I haven't heard it totally about how what happened that
nothing would Prince surprised me?
Speaker 3: Bro, you have no idea, right, yeah, yeah, I'll find
it on YouTube. I'll send you that whole thing because basically, yea,
because it is like, wow, this guy's nuts.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's crazy. He was No Day. He made
me famous, but he wasn't No Day at the Beach.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, Well, I mean basically the story that
Kevin Smith told us, it's like, well, we wanted to
use most Beautiful Girl in the World because it was
going to be in that scene that ended up having
bad edison in it. Oh okay, okay, when when Jays
like putting the fucking cup over his boner and all
that kind of stuff, when that that's where that was
supposed to be. And then uh, then Princess like, I
just don't know, I just don't think it would fit
with your crowd, because you know, you make dick and
fart joke movies and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but you can you can use the time.
You know, that was basically how that happened. What do
you what do you remember? What do you remember about
filming that movie? Filming that scene?
Speaker 2: It was it was so much you know, I've been
in so many Hollywood scenes, and we've done the Grammys
with a handful of times, and Ship I just remember
just one of them. It was just one of them days.
It was long and Ship. We did a bunch of
takes of it. But it was fun, you know because
Kevin and and whatever that other du I forgot the
other dudes that he's changing his too. But they loved us, man,
they loved us, so you know, so they were showing
us a lot of love and I remember being in
the trailers and going back and forth all ship. You know.
So it was a great time, bro, it was.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: And then almost it is too that reinvented us with
the kids. Yeah, you know, because all the younger generations
they started, you know, started loving us because a g
insided bomb.
Speaker 5: Right, So it's kind of a reboot for the more time.
Speaker 2: It's because all the kids were into U stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny how the nostalgia factor works, you know. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bad man.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I fucking love Tracyman and Tracy.
Speaker 2: Tracy is one of the most gifted musicians walking in
the earth. At first and people don't know, man, he
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Speaker 3: I'm actually going down the country road too as well.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, uh so when when you decided to do
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Speaker 5: Was there?
Speaker 1: Uh well, when, first of all, when did you start
writing or did you were you writing along. Were you collaborating?
Speaker 2: I was collaborating, man, because you know the first song
on there puts some jelly on it. Man, is a
is with Ronnie Baker Brooks. Now, people don't people don't
realize Ronnie Baker Brooks come from blues Roydy. His dad
was Lonnie Brooks the uh you know, Elannie was a
famous blues guitars back and then from the He had
a had a hit song back in the fifties called
the Crawl when he was named Guitar Junior. And then
he moved to Chicago, you know, and got embraced chase
his name in Ronnie Brooks and embraced the Chicago blues scene.
And so anyway, and you know, later years and stuff,
I ended up being becoming great friends with the family
because I you know, I did Ronnie's first three albums.
You know, Ronnie was his guitar player as his son.
He was his guitar player for thirteen years, and he
was supposed to all of a sudden, you know, he's
one of the guitar hot shots been when Kenny Wayne
Shepard and Johnny lang Alden was coming out, well, Ronnie
was around their ages and one of the famous producers.
I think it was Jim Gaines when somebody was supposed
to do him. You know, Jim Gaines was doing all
the young hot shots. Then anyway, some came up and
Jim couldn't do his project. So Ronnie was devastated. But
he was friends with me. He said, well, being you know,
he said, would you be interested in doing my record?
I said, yell, why not? You know, yeah, because you
know I was still working for Flight Time, I was
still producing and stuff. So I was like, okay, yeah,
why not. So I ended up doing his first three
records and they all Chicago blues and Hendricksy kind of
stuff on him. So anyway, when I started about two
years ago. You know, now meantime, you know a bunch
of you know a few of my friends who say,
you know all I said, Bean, you know you should
do a record. Even Terry Lewis and told me back
in there, you know you could do a record, dude,
like a Quincy Jones type thing, and just have different
people because you know, I can't sing. I you know,
if I could sing always, I can tell people what
this flag, but I can do plag broll. You know,
God only gives you so many talents.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so you know, he came and you know,
Ronnie said me, you know what, man, you know, I
got this song, man, I put together hat you in mine?
I said, well what is brother? Let me check it out,
you know, and this is like a couple of years ago,
and it was put some jelly on it, and so I,
you know, I caught up all my you know musicians friends,
Michael Blair, Tracy Blake, Chance Power, you know, all these
bad cats man. And then so we cut the basics
here in Minnesota, and then I sent it back to
Chicago and Ronnie. And Ronnie got Tom Tom Washington who
lives in Chicago. Anybody knows Tom Tom Washington's from Earth
Wind and Fire fans and arranger. He did all their
horns and stuff back in the day. And he's there
in Chicago and he's a you know, so he put
he put like six horns on that mug.
Speaker 3: Yeah right.
Speaker 2: So, and so that's what got you know, that's the
very first song on the record. Man, That's what got
me going. And so we just went there and then Tracy,
me and Tracy used to play high right you and
you would love this too. Here in Minnesota. We uh,
Tracy used to have a high rock band called the
Tracy Blake Project.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I used to go out and watch them play, man.
You know they played like a C d C and
all this heavy black crow all that rock shit. Man,
Tracy's well bursed in that. I used to come out
and and sit there and down with them. Man.
Speaker 3: You know it's funny you say that, Hold on before
you say gove forward. I went up and did the
Food Fighters version of Darling Nikki with them once.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it wasn't really did that because to me,
come on, I.
Speaker 2: Just we were just on the time that the original
time just played with the food Fighters on one of
these tribute shows. Man, that the Grammy is yeah, oh yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Prince Tribute, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Press tribute. Yeah he did. And Dave all his
cool as hell too. Man, He's always showed me a
lot of love with him.
Speaker 3: Have you had his barbecue yet? Though?
Speaker 2: I haven't had his barbecue, man, But oh ship dude,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: We're gonna we'll get back to the record in the second. So,
like a couple of years ago at NAM when they
do Dime Dime Bash, he was out there thirteen hours beforehand,
firing that barbecue up in the back lot and uh,
you're kidding, Oh no, dude. It's a full blown, real
fucking barbecue. And it was for all the VIPs and
the artists and all that ship.
Speaker 5: Wow, dude, it was.
Speaker 2: He is coole as hell. Man. He is such a
cool dude. Man. And he's a fan too. That's what
killed me. He's a total fan of his Minneapolis ship.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: That's fucking showing me so much love.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so amazing. So yeah, because he so you
decided to, you know, call him outside riders. So yeah, yeah,
you got you got to put some jelly on it.
And because I remember keeping jelly on.
Speaker 2: It, and then we got a you know so much
two years here, I've been doing my little owner shows
here man, like for the super Bowl and for my
birthday and all that, and all these great young artists
man would come and on my record, I used some
of them. It's one on the call by a group
called Illism and his Wife, Uh his wife, Husband and
Wife team Fancy and Envy. So that song that my
record is a song called energy uh kmar Tam. I
was in Prince's band for years. Man, when he had
the Twins and Dancer you remember you ever seen it? No?
You don't remember you ever see his performance at the
super Bowl? Yes, okay, well kay Myra was part of that,
but anyway is an amazing artist, man, And Uh, I
got two songs with her on there. Then UH had
this kid out at New York Man that always idolized
the time, Man. And every time we go to New
York and play the different club we played damn there
everywhere in New York, but he would always be there
watching us. His name is law Kellie W. So it
got him and I did a song with him on
there with Tony Moseley from MPG and just just so
just it's my almos kind of all over place, chance Howard,
you know that's my my homide. He was in Prince's
band when you know he did musicology and all that,
and he was in the Time for ten years too. Okay,
so uh you know, so my almost kind of all
over the place. But is it that's who I am? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What Man's look, it's it's all about uh. Look, it's
your first solo album, Man, it's showing who.
Speaker 2: You really are. It's showing who I really are, and
it's not really it's not you know, you're not gonna
find nothing on that sounding like the time, you know,
And that was purposely done, you know, I get that.
On purpose. I wanted to sound this is me, you
know me. I like the blues, I like heavy guitar,
I like soul, I like you know, you know, soul
ship and that's what's on my record.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you have Michael Plan playing on almost everything, did.
Speaker 5: You man, you ever that's the best drummer here.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, huh, I said.
Speaker 2: Michael's the best drummer here in Minnesota. Man. And even
though I was supposed to be a good drummer. Ship
every time I would do a record like Ronnie, Ronnie
would tell you that I had him all him and
Sunny Thompson all over Ronnie's record and stuff. And there's
a reason that Prince. I heard Prince say publicly he
was the best drummer he ever had. Wow, I know that.
And you know Prince has had some badass drummers. Oh yeah,
but he always a lot of that stuff that you
heard coming out of Paisley. If there were real drums,
it was Michael Bland Okay, I know that fact.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean, I know he's he's a
fucking badass. Months you could be there, you could be yeah,
because you know I used to go down to the
Combo every once in a while.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you get on the combo, you
walk in the door, you hit that big beat you know.
Oh that's Michael.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, speaking of U, speaking of Bunker's. Uh, Tiffany said,
you know your favorite bartender, says Hi.
Speaker 2: Oh tell her. Hey, yeah, I miss her.
Speaker 3: I used to. I worked with her up at the
Press in Saint Cloud. That's how I know.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, she is such a sweetheart. Man, I
miss her. Man. You know, Bunker still ain't open yet, bro,
So they sell you how situation were we in around here?
Speaker 5: Is brutal?
Speaker 3: Is Is the combo still a thing?
Speaker 2: It's well, I'm obviously right now, but not right now.
From what I heard, I got some of the inner workers.
I know a couple of I know, I know Billy
Phronsie retired stuff, but that the guitar players in my band,
they being a routine is going to replace him. So okay,
I know they're looking for whenever Bunker's open, back up
they're going to go back, but you know we'll have
to see you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So how long did you know?
Speaker 5: Like next month of be a year?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yo, yeah, I know, it's just fun. There's nothing
we can do. There's just not that we can do.
Speaker 2: Nothing we could do. But you couldn't have made me believe,
is it? You couldn't have made me believe this shit
would happen like this?
Speaker 5: Oh I know, Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 3: So so how long how long was the writing recording process?
I mean when did you years?
Speaker 2: Close it? It took close to two years, you know,
just I just taking my time. Is I wasn't in
no hurry nothing like. It wasn't like I was a
major artist anyway. And this is all new territory for me.
It's all a new journey. So I just want to
take you know, before that you know, I'm in the
fourth quart of my life or they put me in Brown.
I just wanted to have something out here that that
was me and that represented what I was about musically,
and that's all the jelly beans get experience about. That's
all it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I can't I cannot wait to hear if
anybody wants to get in on this. I got some
I got some loyal fucking listeners that like to buy ship.
So if you go to Jellybean Dash Johnson dot com, yeah,
everything is right there. Everything is right there. And that
big smiling face that I can't see right now.
Speaker 2: That if you had to smile and keeople crying.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Jelly. I just love that. When I when I
saw you at fucking h at La Guns, I yelled
darkness and you lost your ship.
Speaker 2: People, that's the inside thing was people don't know me.
And you know what that means that you have to
the cowboy. Yeah, yeah, it comes to that comes to
Eddie Murphy, you know know from Ray from his it's
Charlie Murphy, bless him. But yeah, John m you're talking
about Rid James where it's hilarious called me that for years. Man,
that's one of my many nicknames I have.
Speaker 3: But ye know, oh my god, oh god. Uh songs
with with Tracy did were those co writes written produced
by Tracy Blake?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, Tracy Blake and stuff. Uh you know
that I'm co producing everything on there. But I just
let these artists do their thing, man, I s let
them do the thing. You know, I, you know, more
on the next record. Maybe I'll do some more things.
You know, I kind of out of practice because I
haven't done it as much as I did in my
recent years and stuff. But that's the thing, you know,
they and they trust me. I trust them, and that's
the thing. If I don't trust you, you're not gonna
be on my record.
Speaker 3: Right exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: In other words, in other words, either don't bring me
no bullshit, expect bringing the good ship. Don't bring me
no bullshit.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, I.
Speaker 3: Would love I would love to hear jelly Ban Johnson
Doug Pinnock collaboration.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I love him too, man.
Speaker 5: He you know I've never met him.
Speaker 2: I always met him from Afar. I remember he saw
me one time. I had a band back in ninety one,
man that I did a little personal show that day too.
I had a band, no under my name, and we
did over my Head. Oh he saw it, man, Yeah,
he saw it man on on wherever he saw it
during that time, whatever media we had, and he messaged
me and said, being wow, he couldn't believe we were
playing on this song. Man. I fucking love Kings x Bro.
I always the three of them are ridicting. Ty taber
Man is ridiculous, right, he is this ridiculous man. And
the drum drummer got real sick for a while, but
he's freak. The three of them are just for and
Doug is just his solo records man. One of all
records right now? Man, what is it called? Uh? Wow,
I can't the.
Speaker 3: One that there's so many Doug it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just off the chain, man. You know,
I know Steve Stevens is on this one. Steve Steevens
is a couple other guys. But he, oh my god,
I'm like Doug. And he has a funky sigh too.
As heavy as he can get. He can go to
church and he's he's fucking with that ship. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's another Chicago guy.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a Chicago guy. He's oh my god, that's
where he that's Doug is from Chicago. So he came
up on a lot of the same ship. Yeah, he's
only five years older than you. So he's you guys.
You you guys are in the same fucking wheelhouse.
Speaker 2: Man, it's this instruct man. He did this record with
him with him, Eric Gales and Thomas Pritchean Pritchian man
and man, they did a slow bruise on there. Man,
it's still just my face. This gets ugly. That's like
because you know Eric, Eric is twenty. Eric gets ridiculous
to me. Oh oh my god.
Speaker 3: Well I'll tell you, oh my god, I'll put you
to in touch.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You guys would love you to do that.
Speaker 2: Do that. I would love to tell you know because
I always admire him.
Speaker 3: Man, people want to find you on social media? Where
do they go?
Speaker 2: I have a Jellybean Johnson page on Facebook. Also, if
you want to meet, if you want to get to
me personally on what you want me to respect that
my management does the other pages. Gary Johnson on Facebook
with two hours.
Speaker 3: Two hours, just like Gary, just like Gary Beers from
an excells.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's the one I'm on the most. Man.
I'm on Instagram, but my management runs that. I'm on
some of the other ones things. But if you really
want to hit me up personally, that's the one Gary
Johnson with two hours on Facebook. Man, that's the one
that I'm always posting a ship on there. I'm always
posting rock ship. I'm all over the place on there,
I pull ship and make you think, especially these days
with all the racial unrest and all the craziness and
the bite and all that. Yeah, yeah, all the ship
we Uncomfortableut you know, I make it because I'm old,
you know.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, ye're old, so you've actually seen the
worst of it.
Speaker 2: I've actually yeah, I've been through that bullshit, you know.
I mean, it's just sad, is it that it's two thousand,
it's twenty twenty one and I was around in the sixties.
I saw that. Yah, you know right right, It's the
last thing I want to be dealing with for I
have to be to put me in the ground and
dealing with the ship that we're dealing with.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Well look, I mean this fucking this thing
is supposed to be over soon, we're hoping and we
can try to get back to normalcy and some normalcy.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, God willing, God willing.
Speaker 3: Then we can all get back on stage again and
fuck it. Just it, just you just that's why I try.
I don't get into it. I just I just lived
my life, try to smile, try to have fun and
don't be a douche.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't be a douche. That's all you can do,
you know, And I'm glad you said that. Is that
it's just it's just about being a decent human being.
I mean, what happened to moral compasses? Social media? I'm
s yes, social media, Internet as much as it is great,
as much as it is a curse too, there really is,
and it just amplify all the bad, all the craziness.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, jelly dude, thank you so much. Hold on, we'll
say goodbye off the air. I'm just gonna hit my
ultro music one time here and there. That goes. Make
sure you guys hit up. The Jellybean Johnson website is
Jellybean dashed Johnson dot com. And thank you again, dude,
I really appreciate this is all.
Speaker 2: You know for you, you know, for you, and you'll
be safe out here. Many watch your ass.
Speaker 3: I'll do my best and.
Speaker 2: We hook up.
Speaker 5: We hook up to my friend.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely hold tight, we'll say goodbye off the air,
and and uh yeah, make sure you help all the
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