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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. It is Monday, November twenty fourth, one

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am here in Las Vegas, Nevada, and a little bit

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different for this show. Friday night, the word started coming

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out that jelly Bean Johnson passed away. Jelly Bean was

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the drummer for Morris Day in the time. He was

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deep in that Minnesota funk sound, and he was somebody

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that I knew from my days back home, and still

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kind of surreal. It was shot fucking news when I

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found out that jelly had passed. UH started with the

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Facebook post, of course, and then once we got confirmation

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that night Friday night, It's just it's still weird. It's

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like Ace was when Ace passed. That was a part

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of my childhood, that was a part of my life.

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Like I said, without like Keith said, Keith, Robert war said,

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without Ace is no us. And that's I guess I

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could say that's true with Jelly too, because, like I said,

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who knows where I would be, where what I would

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have done, you know, without kiss, without Ace. But I

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got to know Jelly from going down to Minneapolis and

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when I was living in the Twin Cities as well,

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going down to the UH Doctor Mambo's Combo at Bunker's

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in Minneapolis, and dude, I was like that scene. It

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wasn't really my scene. It was like a funk jam,

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but it was. It was phenomenal. It was awesome. And

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going down there to hang out every once in a while.

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Speaker 2: It was cool.

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Speaker 3: It was packed.

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Speaker 2: It was like.

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Speaker 1: Mondays and Tuesdays or Mondays when they did it for

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something it's been a while. It was great. It was fun.

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And I'm not gonna sit here and say that I was,

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you know, super tight with Jelly, because I was not.

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But I knew him, and k knew him well enough

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or I could text him every once in a while. Ironically,

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his birthday was on the nineteenth, which would have been Wednesday,

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and I texted him I think Friday morning, actually I

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texted him, you know, Mary belated, and he got back

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to me that afternoon just a purple heart. And then

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later on that night I found out he was gone.

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Apparently it was a heart attack. It was a heart attack,

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and I have no confirmation on it, but I saw

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somebody say that he just he was standing up and

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at home and he was gone before he hit the ground.

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It's one of those those must have been the window maker.

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Jelly was a great dude. Jelly had a smile that

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would light up a room, and there was no fake bullshit.

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He was just genuinely.

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Speaker 3: A dude that.

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Speaker 1: Made you feel like you belonged. He was cool with everybody,

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and he was one of these assholes that played like

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a god with no pick And I busted his balls

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about that when he was on the show. And you're

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going to hear that interview from February February second, Yeah,

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February second, twenty twenty one. It was on the tail

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end of the pandemic, tail end of the shutdowns that

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were supposed to last two weeks. But that's a whole

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fucking difference story, and we're not going to dive into

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that because there's no reason for that.

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Speaker 3: There's no reason.

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Speaker 1: So you hear us talking about that, you hear us

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talking about him. You know, he was born in Chicago

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in nineteen fifty six.

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Speaker 3: He was sixty nine.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, where is it, dude, dude, dudeoo, nineteen fifty six,

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just turned sixty nine years old and he's gone. Sixty

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nine is fairly young now, as we all know.

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Speaker 3: But it's sad.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge loss for obviously the Minneapolis, Minnesota music community.

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He was doing a lot to help out the music

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community there, and uh.

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Speaker 3: Just big loss for the music world. I mean working

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as a producer and.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously you know, the drummer for the time,

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you know, a produced j Jackson black Cat was one

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of the producers on that, and we get into that,

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we talk about.

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Speaker 3: That, and he was a metal fan. He loved eighties rock.

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Speaker 1: He talked about he was talking about all the guitar

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players in the eighties.

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Speaker 3: And it's sad.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to you know, usually crack one for

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the working man, but uh, I'm gonna crack one for Jelly. Cheers. Man,

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you are already missed. If I had a Jack, gotta

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be doing a Jack as well. So what that said,

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without further ado, I'm not gonna get into any of

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the promo, but sign up for the Patreon It's only

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five dollars a month. Patreon dot com, sash real, Izzy

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Presley find all my stuff iszy Presley dot com.

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Speaker 3: See there it is.

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Speaker 1: It's out of the way. I'm going to play the

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ten bell salute because you know that's usually how we

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start the show when somebody passes but the way I'm

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doing this is I'm just gonna just talk to you

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for nearly eight minutes and that's enough. So here it is.

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Here is the interview from two Thy twenty one February

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second with now the late jelly Bean Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Bobby Brown, and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Speaker 4: Kids with your loud music and your Dan Fogelberg, your Zeema,

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hula hoops and pac Man video games. Don't you see

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people today have attention spans that can only be measured

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in namo seconds.

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Speaker 5: Old legends gonna die.

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Speaker 6: They just fo wait back a legend and a ladder

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work from.

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Speaker 3: The Yes, it is party time. Hello Hollywood, Hello world,

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and hello my loyal minions. It is good to see you,

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and it is always good to be seeing. My name

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is Ezzie Presley, and yes, this is another fucking podcast.

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Have a great show coming up for you today. We

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are live. It is one pm Hotel, California time, and

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on the blower I have my good friend jelly Bean

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Johnson and they get into him in just one second.

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Kind of doing this a little bit different. There is

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no h there is no video today, and I'm trying

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to get his audio going in here, and we will

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get that in just one second, because I have not

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used this gimmick in a while. The speaker default same,

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jelly bean, just give me a little something. I want

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to make sure I got you here. I want to

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make sure everybody else can hear you.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'm here, all right.

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Speaker 3: Cool, all right, we got you.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I mute you again for a second. I

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just want to make sure we were working all right,

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very well. Make sure you guys hit up all the

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show page is called another fan podcast. On that showpage

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the T shirts, all the act contribute Dais Railey t shirts,

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all that good stuff, and that goes right into paying

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And if you do enjoy what I do, you do

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like the show, make sure you you can donate to

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Speaker 3: It's really really easy. Is he Presley at yahoo dot

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com is your PayPal? And what else? Do we got?

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All that good you guys know, all that kind of

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good stuff. So I've got a guy with me right

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now that you know him from the motherfucking time. He

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is a part of that Minneapolis sound. It's a guy

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that I've known for a long time and the first

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time I've ever been able to interview him, Ladies and gentlemen,

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the drummer for the motherfucking time, Jellybean Johnson, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: How y'all doing. How you doing, Kelly, dude, it's great

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to us.

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Speaker 3: It's great to hear your voice. Last time I saw you.

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A lot of people aren't going to believe us, But

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every time Jelly comes to town, I hit him up

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and hopefully we can get together and I have a drink.

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And the last time it happened, and believe it or not,

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it was at the whiskey of Go Go At a

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La Guns concert.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, I remember that. That was a lot

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of fun. Bu dude from La guns Man, Tracy guns Man,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we got snow and all that shit.

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we just opened back up. You know, we were closed

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man since uh November, and we just opened back up

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two weeks ago. Yeah, and it's only till ten o'clock,

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you know. So it's it's hard man. You know, all

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my all my national gigs been gone for almost a

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year now, and March the next month it will be

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they will be gone a year and the uh my

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local gigs kind of dried up too for a minute.

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Speaker 3: Right right, Jelly. It's funny because I've known you for

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Speaker 3: What was the first stuff that you heard that made

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you go out, God, damn it, I really got to

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her pots and pans and coffee table and shit. She

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right here, and when I moved to Minnesota, she bought

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you know, and that started it. You know, I finally

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eight to three or whatever, and shit, five days a week.

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Whatever kind of lessen am bro?

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, right right right? What did you get?

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Did you get in trouble at school for? Uh, you know,

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banging on the tables and ship?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 2: Uh, well I sometimes, but you know, my teachers are

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pretty cool about and stuff.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: You see, I wasn't only I wasn't the only badass

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kids in the class. So I was just one a

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mini So yes. Anyway, so after after like you know,

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six months and stuff, and you know, me going to

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these lessons and then, trust trust me to my mom

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had to take me. So she wasn't too happy about

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that either, getting up that damn early. But the teacher

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wasn't really teaching me what I wanted man, you know,

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I wanted to learn James Brown and Side the Family

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Stone all that kind of stuff. And he was trying

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to he trying to teach with Jerry le Lewis and

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all this rock crap. So I was like, ma uh uh.

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So she said, okay, fine, baby, you know you can

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go back to listen to the radio. Listen to the radio,

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listen to the records, and learn how to play.

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Speaker 3: So I just taught myself, you know what, And did

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do you teach yourself guitar too?

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Speaker 2: I taught myself guitar too.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: This is this little story about that too. When I

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I had a cousin man that was living with us.

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came to live with me and my mom, stepfather and

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my brothers, and he had a guitar, right, and he

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was he was playing the guitar and everything and uh

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and he wasn't that serious about it, right. So anyway,

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after about a month or so, you know, he went

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back home, but he left the guitar at my house.

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So I started teaching myself how to you know, how

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to play the guitar, and after about a year, you know,

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I got good at it, you know, at least decent,

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you know, at least I kind of knew what the

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hell I was doing. So anything. Once again, the one

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problem with that is he came to our house, you

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know again and saw that I got good at it,

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so he took it.

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Speaker 3: Ah Jesus.

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Speaker 2: So my mom once again she stepped up and saw

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that I had got decent that I got good at

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so she bought me a guitar, and so I started

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teaching myself how to play that too.

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Speaker 3: What was then a brown huh? So fourteen fifteen? What

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year was that? I had to be seventy okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: You know, nineteen seventy seventy one, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, So what was the first guitar?

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Speaker 2: Wow, I want to say the first one she bought

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me was a Citizen Roebuck uh Tesco del Rey kind

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of thing. You had like four pickups in it, and

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is it you probably you know? Oh yeah, you know.

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And it's funny too, man, because I remember seeing Prince

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Man back when we were at that age, like fifteen

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fourteen fifteen. Man, he had one of them Sears silver

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tone guitars. You remember serious Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually those those, dude, those were actually pretty

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fucking high quality good guitars there.

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Speaker 2: They sounded as good as hell, is it? You know? Man?

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I bet they sound good today. They probably cost a

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bunch of money if you can fire one.

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I never I never forget seeing press man

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when but like thirteen years old, man with a big

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ass afro, and he had one of them silver tone guitars.

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Man with a little fuzz box sticking inside this. You

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know this, this was pticular fuzzs box. They it was

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electro Harmonet's and you stuck it actually inside the guitar.

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Jesus man, he sounds just like Santana, Like, oh God,

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I said, who was this little short? You know? Yeah?

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Right right?

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Speaker 3: Well we'll get into that that stuff in the second year.

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I just saw to go back to the guitar. No,

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you're one of these fuckers that pisses me off because

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I can barely play fucking a chords with a pick.

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You're a no pick using guy, aren't you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'm is it the story about that too? Man?

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As I started when I was teaching myself, I had

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a pick, but I got tired of it, flying that

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hell across the room every time. I got tired of

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that shit, man, So I figured my thumb was attached

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to me. Yeah. I started teaching myself how to play

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with my fingers, man, and it worked out. Everybody freaks

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out now and they see me play with my aingers

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like that. But when I think about it in hindsight,

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and it's a lot of world famous guitar players I

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played without, you know, without picks. I mean, I was

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just watching Jeff Beck on YouTube last night and he

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uses his thumb like me, his thumb and his whamy bar,

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and you swear to god, he was using the pick.

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I was like, hell does he do that? He's alien, man.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, it's like, dude, I watched Richie

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cottson He's one of my gods, and he has.

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Speaker 5: Another one, another one.

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Speaker 2: He is scary, man, like another dude with his thumb.

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I say, so, maybe maybe I'm not sold, you know,

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maybe maybe I did catch on the summer.

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Speaker 3: Right then, and then he can sing like a motherfucker

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on top of it. So did you know Prince at

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that time? I mean, did you did you just see

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him out? I mean, I'm kind of curious how this,

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So just bear with me for one second.

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Speaker 2: I just you know, I'm met him, man, I'm met him.

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I want to say junior because you know, I went

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to junior high school, to school called Lincoln Junior High

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and elementary school that he went to was right next

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door U John Hay. It was called John Hay or

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whatever and shit, So I want to say I met

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We've met him like that, and we both had interest

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in music. And I remember playing basketball with him on

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his driveway man, at his dad's house. Years. We had

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to be like, you know, fourteen and twelve or thirteen

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and fifteen or some shit like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We had this common interest in music. So that's that's

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how we well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the thing that kind of sparked this. I mean,

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obviously everybody wants to ask you about that kind of stuff.

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But back when, man, when I was working at Guitar Center,

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he Dinah g Sharp, Greg would come in and everyone

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he would show that picture of everybody when you guys

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were kids, and it was like a whole fucking crew,

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And I'm just like, okay, how did was it just

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a common interest between all of you? Is there just

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because you were black kids. I mean, how did it

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all come together?

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Speaker 2: You know? Is it? That's still to this day I'm

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sixty four years old now, you know, I don't know.

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I think it was a blessing that it came out

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that way, that I land in a community that that

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all so many kids, my my peers were my age,

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were in the music. You know, music and sports. That

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was our thing, man, you know, and music and basketball

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and all that. Yeah, and all these all these cats

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were into that. So that's we had all these common

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interests man, And that it just worked out.

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Speaker 3: And how how did I mean because obviously Prince when

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he did he went and did his thing. But you've

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got all this talent in this group of this this

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picture I saw, how did it all get split up

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into Okay, this is gonna end up being the time? Okay,

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and okay, this is this is gonna be Princess.

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Speaker 2: You know, we didn't know, we didn't know it started out.

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You know, we were all the rival bands, you know,

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Prince and uh and and more. Well, Morris came later

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was in Grand Central. I was in flight Time with

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Terry Lewis and David Island and you know, and later

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on Jimmy dam came in the later Cynthia Johnson from

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Fucking Town Fame, and all these people met and we

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just we had rival bands. If you can imagine that

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is at fifteen years old.

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Speaker 5: Fifteen fifteen years old.

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Speaker 2: We had these badass bands and we were like teenagers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah that could play, yeah, you know, and yeah, you

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know it.

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Speaker 2: Was it was kind of I guess, you know, it's

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amazing that the stars aligned like that, but it did.

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And uh, we we you know, we were black, and

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you know, we couldn't play you know, we couldn't play

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the right clubs and stuff. So we play all the

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little sororities and black you know, black functions and stuff

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like that. And that's how we got good Man. And

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we were practice all the time. We'd go home, you know,

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we'd come home from school, Man and if we didn't

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have basketball practice or football banks whatever, and then we would,

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you know, by six o'clock we were all in our

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respected basements, you know whatever whatever. Basically we were rehearsing

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at and we was playing music and learning you know,

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the top funk town funk tunes of the day. That's

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what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're a bigger dude, did you was

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there any thought about trying to follow the athletic dreams?

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Speaker 2: You know, I tried it, but I just wasn't quite

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good enough, isn't you know? I started for my basketball

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team and all that, you know. And it's funny too

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because my coach at the time, he actually he said

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it to me even you know, sixteen, except that you say,

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if you just had just the slight more, if you

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were just a flight more better, you'd be a star,

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you know, right right, you know, and he could see it.

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You know, he knew I had it. You know. It's

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just like any I was good enough to start, but

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I wasn't good enough to be, you know, in that

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next you know, you know, make much of money and

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then I had. But you know, I had this infinite

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love for music too, So I just I embraced that.

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I did the athletic things as long as I could,

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and I just embraced music all the time.

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Speaker 3: Bruce checking in from Canada, got to play my Canada

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Noise for him. You, Bruce says, while playing at fifteen,

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I can't get my sixteen year old off the PlayStation

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for fifteen minutes. Well, I mean yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: That's time I feel this saying, you know, because my

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teenage I get on them all the time. We've spoiled

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them because now with all this computer shit and social media.

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Kiss though, is when I was fourteen to fifteen, that

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was my I was. I was, you know, playing my

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intimate all the damn time, those two intimates I was.

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That was my playtime. Yeah, you know, and kiss. Now

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there's too many distractions with the social media. And you can,

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damn you can you know that you can make a

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record at your house, you know what?

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Speaker 3: R well right, well, I mean Eddie Trunk has a

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great point about that. He's like, yeah, we have the

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technology where anybody can make a record, but it's sad,

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can make a record. Yeah, so.

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into podcasting for less than three hundred bucks. They sell

474
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,359
you everything you need in one little package. It is

475
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:55,000
great Mackie dot com. So the mini apples sound uh

476
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,599
everybody everybody contributes that to Prince, But I have a

477
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,359
feeling it was more than that, because I mean, you

478
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,039
got Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis. You got you guys.

479
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,119
You got everybody, you know in that whole community. Was

480
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,680
it a combination of all of yours? What where did

481
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:14,960
it come?

482
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: You know? Well, you know, you know, is it? Everybody

483
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,279
asks me about that, and and that's always my stock answers.

484
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:24,160
I say, it started with Prince. You know, it started

485
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,920
with him, and we just we just took our que

486
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,519
from him. We learned from him. Now granted now, and

487
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:33,200
you notice this, there's a lot of prominent white musicians

488
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,200
as we're here that had great bands back and then

489
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,839
you know back you know, Bob Dylan's from here had

490
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,640
the Masonic, we had Suburbs, all these all the replacements,

491
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,559
all that. You know, we had that side, but we

492
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:46,880
were like the funky side, you know. So it started

493
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,920
with him, and it started in nineteen seventy eight when

494
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,240
he did his first record. And I'm gonna tell you

495
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,000
this too, man, it goes back to us being kids again.

496
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,000
I didn't know Prince.

497
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:57,839
Speaker 5: Had it like that, bro real, you know.

498
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,599
Speaker 2: I knew he was yeah, I knew he was a

499
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,559
great guitar player, and I knew he could play the

500
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480
keyboards really well. I didn't know about the bass and

501
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,559
the drums and him sounded like a one man, damn band.

502
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,400
So can you imagine how Florida I was in nineteen

503
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,519
seventy eight when four You comes out and so often

504
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,079
with and I'm thinking, it's a damn.

505
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 5: Band, right, and it's.

506
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: Him by himself.

507
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: So he recorded everything everything on that record.

508
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,759
Speaker 5: He did everything, He did every damn thing.

509
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: So you know that that definitely rubbed off on a

510
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,519
lot of us, man. And that's when you have so

511
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:33,720
many musicians here that played multiple instruments because they saw him,

512
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:35,880
they saw the you know, the effect that he had.

513
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:39,440
And he sounded like one day I mean singing. I

514
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,359
mean he virtually could do everything, man. Yeah, And I

515
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,920
didn't know that when we was twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old,

516
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,480
you know, head forgivest each other. I didn't know that shit, right, Yeah,

517
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:49,119
I mean that dude.

518
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: I mean, not to go back to Cottson, but that's

519
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,480
Cottson too. Cottson records everything himself. It's just it pisses

520
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:54,960
me off.

521
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. No. And and to be you know, profision every instrument.

522
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:04,279
You know, I've been I'm you know, I've been lucky

523
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,880
enough just to do the little ship I know on

524
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,279
the drums of the guitar. I wish I did have

525
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,960
it like that on keyboards and bass and all that ship.

526
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:14,400
I wish I had to put in the time lorbos

527
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,240
you know.

528
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,079
Speaker 3: Oh dude, dude, I know exactly what you mean. I mean,

529
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,640
I mean, yeah, I can play bass if I have to.

530
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,799
It's always the joke, Oh you play the bass, you

531
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,279
couldn't figure out how to run the lights.

532
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,599
Speaker 2: But well, I was, I was teaching a boy somebody

533
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,599
to play bass, and damn, damn Terry Lewis, Yeah, the

534
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:37,119
legendary Terry Lewis, Yeah, borrow my bass bar. He was

535
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,680
teaching these kids. He was teaching bass lessons. I had

536
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,119
bought one from Bonn Shop and he borrowed it and

537
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,519
never gave it back, and I never hit him his

538
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:48,359
ass up to get it back. So I kissed myself

539
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,319
every day. Well, because I would love to be proficient

540
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,079
on the bass too, because then I could be you

541
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:54,759
know pretty much, you know, I could least be a

542
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:55,960
poetry all at that point.

543
00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:00,359
Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, So how did the time start? Then?

544
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:02,599
Speaker 2: The time started?

545
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:02,839
Speaker 7: Man?

546
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,799
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you know, originally is he and

547
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:07,680
I know this is out there in the universe. I

548
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,480
wasn't supposed to be in the time man, because you

549
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:11,640
know me and Morris. You know, me and Morris were

550
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,799
drummers coming up. You know, we used to at twelve

551
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,519
years old, we used to play our drum sets in

552
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:21,160
his mom living room side by side. Oh wow, yeah,

553
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,160
so you know, so he you know, we grew up,

554
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,000
you know, having this love for the drums. So we

555
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,279
were drummers and shit. So anyway, you know him at

556
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,000
Prince got Tight Stuff and he was living with Prince,

557
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,200
and then Prince had taken him down on the road

558
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,640
and he was filming him. So anyway, they came back

559
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,599
and you know, they Morris was living with him at

560
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,359
this time, and Stuff was staying with him and they

561
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,400
would just play music all the damn time. You know.

562
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,319
So anyway, Morris came up with this little groove. He

563
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:50,200
can barely play Keyboys, but he came up with a

564
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,960
groove that Prince liked called party Up Okay, And Prince

565
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,640
told him say, well, dude, I can either give you

566
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,759
money for the tune or I can help you get

567
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:03,079
a bit and Morse chose the band. Now, the only

568
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,720
problem with that is he is that I'm a drummer too.

569
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.

570
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,039
Speaker 2: Me and they were like best friends, but I'm drummer too.

571
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:13,960
So anyway, anyway, he chose the band. Some Prince knew

572
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,559
about flight Time because you know, we had been rival bands,

573
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,000
you know, against each other, so he told him, you know,

574
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:20,640
he set up a meeting. By this time, you know,

575
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:23,759
flight Time had Bob, you know, Alexander O'Neill's our lead singer.

576
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
You know, we had you know, Jimmy jam had joined

577
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,359
the band by then and stuff, and we were just

578
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,559
you know, doing the little Chiplin circuit around here and

579
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,960
stuff with the black Black clubs that we could play

580
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,839
or whatever, a black functions that we could play. So anyway,

581
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:39,240
so Prince had him set up a meeting. Prince Morse

582
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:42,160
at up a meeting with the remaining members of the Time,

583
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,519
and I mean Morse felt bad that, you know, because

584
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:45,960
he wanted to do he was gonna be the drummer,

585
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,599
Alexander O'Neill was gonna be the singer, and uh he yeah,

586
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,720
I wasn't, you know. So he felt bad, but he

587
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:54,160
said being you know, he had a cousin at the

588
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,079
time that had a hit record, and he was, well, Bean,

589
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,359
I can help you get it. But anyway, that's nonetheless.

590
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,079
So anyway, they would had the meeting and of course

591
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,880
it's out there, it's fame. The famous meeting is you know,

592
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,599
Alexander O'Neil and Priss were.

593
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 5: Like aill in water. Didn't work out, okay.

594
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so he went after the meeting, Prince got

595
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:15,400
up and walked out of the meeting and he called

596
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,279
Morris and told me said, you know what, you know,

597
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,079
go get Jellybean and we put jelly Bean in the band,

598
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,400
and you're gonna sing. And More was like, well, dude,

599
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,839
I don't want to sing. He said, yeah, I'll teach you. Yes,

600
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,799
you will. Oh wow, And so you know, yeah, so

601
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,200
that's how I ended up being the drummers.

602
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,519
Speaker 3: Wow, it's wild that Prince had that ear where he heard.

603
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had an exceptional ear bro. Even at a

604
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:42,359
young age, he could hear. And he always he always

605
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160
admired the you know our band flight Time from Afire.

606
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,240
You know. Another big part of another big part of

607
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,119
the Minneapolis sound was you know, he when he used

608
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:53,599
to watch us when we were a flight Time, we

609
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,200
had like four horns, four or five horns when Cynthia

610
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,880
Johnson played, and he always admired that we had a

611
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,359
horn section. So he he that's when you hear all

612
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,880
that shit, all those horn lines on keyboards, that's what

613
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,720
he did. Wow, he started doing you know, all them.

614
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:11,240
So that's where he got I bet my life on that.

615
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,440
That's where he got a lot of that from the

616
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,559
horn lines because he would play them on keyboards because

617
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,720
they didn't have his band grand sicher didn't have a

618
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,920
horn section. Okay, okay, So he learned how to play

619
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,599
out all those horn lines and stuff on keyboards, and

620
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,720
that it was in sound in itself. You know.

621
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,799
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny that you say that is because so much,

622
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,319
especially in the seventies, that everybody was creating everything.

623
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:33,839
Speaker 2: You know.

624
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, the Boston, that Boston record, he

625
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,920
created all of that in his basement.

626
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, yah, And dude, don't you know it's

627
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,920
funny that you bring up Tom shows Man because I

628
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,480
used to remember that little Rockman thing. Yeah, man, it's

629
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,599
most of my solos in those early eighties on them records.

630
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:56,240
Man that I did was still one of them, Dann Rockman's. Yeah,

631
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,599
people there, that's what I like being. That's why. No,

632
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,680
it was through Rockman, through the soundboard.

633
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:03,519
Speaker 3: Jesus.

634
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,799
Speaker 2: Sometime I would attach like I'd touch a little bass

635
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,000
heavy metal pedal to it or something like that.

636
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it would sound bigger than life.

637
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:13,359
Speaker 2: Man. I was like, I was totally fucking impressed. Man.

638
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,160
When I heard that, I was like, how could this

639
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,680
little walk man looking things? So you go back and

640
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,440
listen to a lot of those eighty records and ship

641
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,799
You know, there's a lot of guitar solos done. Sure,

642
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,440
nothing beats the marshals in the studio. I'd done that too,

643
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,880
with the Marshall cranked up and my audit. But no,

644
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:34,920
that rockman ship Man, Oh my.

645
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: God, that's so wait a minute, Wait a minute. So

646
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,640
you were the drummer at the time, but you were

647
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,519
playing guitar on the records.

648
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: I was playing when I started doing production for when

649
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,720
I when when I started doing productions on my own,

650
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:49,720
my own productions. That's oh okay, okay, yeah, my dad,

651
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,920
so uh.

652
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: But the time had the greatest fucking gimmick of them

653
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,839
all with Jerome and the mirror.

654
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Do you remember was that for the move or was

655
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:02,519
that going on before Purple Rain?

656
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: Kind of tell me that was going on?

657
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,559
Speaker 2: That was that was going on before Purple Rain? Man?

658
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,880
You remember, you know when Prince. Immediately after you followed,

659
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,880
he decided who the band's gonna be. He Prince put

660
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,559
us to boot camp, you know, seven days a week,

661
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:16,440
eight hours a day. Bro.

662
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 5: So wow.

663
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,519
Speaker 2: So that's that's when all of that started. We used

664
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:26,599
to we used to rehearse a little club over here

665
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,599
here in Minneapolis called Yasm, you know, and we used

666
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:33,159
to we used to rehearse there every day, like I said,

667
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,960
about eight nine hours whatever, and Prince as being there

668
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,599
putting us through the ropes instead. So anyway, and this

669
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:44,320
is our little cartoon, Tales of the whatever. Yeah I saw, yeah,

670
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,360
but that's that's actually happened. We were rehearsing one day

671
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,760
and Prince was there watching us and we were going

672
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,719
through our little stick and uh more you know, and

673
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,280
uh the stick and say somebody, somebody bring their mirror.

674
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,239
And Jerones asked, you know, he was like doing this time.

675
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,239
He was just like, you know, little helper. He's Terry

676
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,519
Lewis's brother anyway, so he's always drums and yeah, so

677
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,480
he you know, he's a little shorty. So he said that.

678
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:11,480
And Jerome got up one day man, and it's this

679
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,320
little club that we were in and stuff. It was

680
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,400
a mirror on the wall. He snatched the mirror off

681
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,960
the wall and ran up in front of us and

682
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,519
put that in front of Morris. Chris lost his Damn

683
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,039
you gotta use that, man, I gotta use it.

684
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's just fucking brilliant.

685
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: And that's how that happened, brother, that's how you know

686
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,320
that he droned Jerome was becoming famous. Didn't even know

687
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,039
it because he's, like I said, he was just you know,

688
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,960
he was our ballet I roadie and all that.

689
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh my god. It's just it's so funny

690
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:42,199
because it's so it's so iconic. I I host this,

691
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,119
I'm lucky enough to host this, uh this jam in

692
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,400
Hollywood when we're actually able to be adults and be

693
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,719
in public. And one of the one of the songs

694
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,639
they did one time was it was I think it

695
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,599
was jungle Love, and I pulled I pulled the fucking

696
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,519
mirror off the wall in the back in the in

697
00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:59,639
the green room, went out on stage, and I was

698
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,440
fucking doing the whole thing. I mean, it's just, yeah.

699
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: People know. And the thig about it, Yeah, the figure

700
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,360
about it is if people go nuts, they know exactly

701
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,679
what you're doing when you do that?

702
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So how long after Purple Rain did that

703
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:18,320
wave last? How long before it started to fizzle?

704
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 8: Oh?

705
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: Man, Well, you know, because we all started going our

706
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:29,039
separate ways. The thing that's you know, More started going solo.

707
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,159
You know, that's when he came up with you know,

708
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,400
he started doing Oak Tree and all that range, you know,

709
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,840
And so so we for like that that between like

710
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,159
eighty six up to like ninety you know, it kind

711
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:42,840
of calmed down there and goes you know, purpar Raine

712
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,239
was gone. Man, that we all was doing solo shit.

713
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,159
I was producing, man, Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I was.

714
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,639
The time wasn't the time wasn't the round you know,

715
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,000
because Morris was on the solo shit. You know. So

716
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:54,079
that's when it kind.

717
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: Of I tapered off, and I did want to I

718
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,440
did want to dive into the producing stuff too a

719
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,360
little bit. I mean black Head, How did it was,

720
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,280
uh Vernon Reid that played guitar on Black Cat? Correct?

721
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: No, No, see that's I thought.

722
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: That's like everyone said, I'm.

723
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: Further explained it to you, bro that Okay, that's the thing.

724
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,239
First of all, let me just set it up by

725
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,639
some of the most famous guitar players in the world

726
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,000
had played on remixes for Black Cat. Okay, that that

727
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,280
that is? That is crazy as hell. And I'll name

728
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,280
you some of the cats.

729
00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:29,039
Speaker 5: Here please do won't believe?

730
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well for what? Okay, so the original one is, Uh,

731
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,079
it's a cat here named Dave Barry. I did the original.

732
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,079
Speaker 5: Uh.

733
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: He was finding the band out here on the strip

734
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,079
on Eddie Webster's Man. And so anyway, Janet approached me,

735
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,760
man that real on black Cat. She brought me a

736
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,199
cassette with that real black Cat on a cassette with

737
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,719
her with somebody. I don't even think it was her

738
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,440
playing that riff on a piano. Only ship a piano, Yeah,

739
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,639
and me and yeah, that was on a fucking piano.

740
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,840
So then so she brings it to me, right, and

741
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,440
I hear that now. Granted, by this time, I'm into

742
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,559
the heavy metal ship. I'm in the heavy metal scene

743
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:13,679
big time, even though I'm black funk you know Cat,

744
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,039
I'm loving Van Halen, I'm loving rat Docking, all these

745
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:20,760
different you know, iconic black sabbage, all these bad I

746
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,400
had grew up on that ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So

747
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,639
I told her, I thought, you know, by this time,

748
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:28,559
we had. You know, we're into her second record, we're

749
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,320
in the Rythm Nation. By now, we had done Control.

750
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,400
I had played you know, a heavy solong one of

751
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:36,199
so on her Control album, on want of her songs.

752
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,559
But anyway, so I sit there and I looked at her.

753
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,679
I said, jan you know, I said, your brother, I said,

754
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,559
Michael has beat it and Therty dying. I said, I said,

755
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,239
it would be really cool, you know, if we did something,

756
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,039
if you had your own. She said, well, yeah, Bean,

757
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,079
you know, and now granted, now is the Black Rhythm Nation.

758
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,760
The whole album is done right now. She didn't approach

759
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,880
Terry Jimmy body and they just well just give it

760
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,280
to Bean. You know, they brew it up because they

761
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,840
didn't think it was nothing and of it right. So

762
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,800
so she gets this to me. So I started recruiting.

763
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Now you know, I got Dave Barry uh program drum

764
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,239
machine in there and ship and just you know, and

765
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,119
I was like, you know, I brought it brought just third.

766
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:19,000
I read of a Marshall I played, I had David

767
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,440
play and granted too, I didn't even play. You know,

768
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,679
Jesse justin did this day. Jesse justin doing it cussed

769
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:27,239
me out. Because I didn't play the solo. But I

770
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,000
was like, I just I was in total producer mode. Man,

771
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,880
I wanted this ship to sound as close to what

772
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,199
was going on in the heavy rock scene, on the

773
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,400
heavy metal scene during time, So I.

774
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,119
Speaker 5: Knew to do that.

775
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: I had to get catch that would do that. So

776
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,920
David was into that show. He's a world class guitar player.

777
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,760
He ended up being her guitar player for like over

778
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:47,280
ten years.

779
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 5: Oh wow.

780
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, so he we went into the marshall.

781
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,199
I had him play one pass through a rockman through

782
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,559
a tom show, and then we came back and doubled

783
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,320
it with a bucking Marshall man and so that, and

784
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
then the solo came and I thought about it for

785
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,400
two seconds. I said, no, David, you deserve it, because

786
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,480
you know he had laid that ship out. It was

787
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:12,199
sounding the heavy as hell. I said, you go ahead,

788
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,519
you hit the solo man. So he hit the solo

789
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,320
and ship man and and it came out. I called,

790
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,679
I called Jen, I said, I think I got something.

791
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,159
She came to the studio. We kicked everybody out of

792
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,440
flight time kicked him out, you know, because you know

793
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,960
you're not allowed is you you you know you lod guitars. Yes, yes,

794
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,280
a lot of guitars have changed the Muganda's places.

795
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 3: One hundred watts of testicular attitude.

796
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,119
Speaker 5: My friend yep.

797
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,119
Speaker 2: So we uh, we kicked everybody out and she wrote

798
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,800
wrote the lyrics, and me and her sat there and

799
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,719
through the night we got the lyrics down and and

800
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,880
Terry Jimmy came in the next day or what damn

801
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,599
blowing away. You know, they couldn't believe it. I said, yeah,

802
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,000
that's what we got. So anyway, the reason there's so

803
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:00,000
many famous guitar players on there, and when it came

804
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,480
him out, all the heavy metal casts lost they damn

805
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:05,760
mind right, but he's like Moley Crue all of them.

806
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,760
They were like Janet Jackson's doing that. Yeah yeah, so there,

807
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,039
so A and M had a bunch of remixing. You know,

808
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:17,679
remixes were big back in the day. So we you know,

809
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,559
Bernon Reid did a pass, Johnson did a pass. Uh.

810
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:24,320
When I did the video. If you go on the

811
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,800
MTV video, I got newn Old Buttercott yeah yeah those

812
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,519
ass yeah, he he did. He did all the rhythms

813
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,039
and ship you know, for the for the TV version

814
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:40,039
that you hear. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. So that's why

815
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,679
you hear all these different versions. I did one with

816
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000
Jesse me and Jesse's sucking up a dance one. You know.

817
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:50,079
So when you hear all these different versions, yeah, yeah,

818
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,239
I remember the one from Bernon. He just won the

819
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,639
many famous. I'm probably leaving a couple other guys that

820
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:55,880
took passes at itude.

821
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: Dude, that's just it. Yeah, I just I remember when

822
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,519
I came out. I was like, dude, this is this

823
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:03,239
fucking rocks and Janet. I mean, the vocal performance on

824
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,360
that is just fucking Yeah.

825
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: I told her, Yizzy, I told her, I said, maybe

826
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,639
I want you to sound like a rock and roll queen.

827
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:11,639
I told her that, you know, I tell her, And

828
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,079
like I said, we kicked there and kicked my fiance

829
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,880
at the time out. We kicked her, her boyfriend out,

830
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,599
We kicked everybody else. Jimmy's ass wasn't around. Black people

831
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:26,800
have black people have a problem with loud guitars. I've

832
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,960
been through that bullshit. Kick everybody out and that's what

833
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:31,400
we got.

834
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,039
Speaker 1: Just really quick, have you mentioned Van Halen? Did you

835
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,719
ever have a chance to meet Eddie or anybody that

836
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,599
I never.

837
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,119
Speaker 2: Did, and I always loved them, man, I always fucking

838
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,599
loved it. As a matter of fact, Jeroman Morris went

839
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,480
on a ward show one time and told me they

840
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,239
had met him and say he was raving about the

841
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,639
time and stuff now and we came close one time, man,

842
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:54,280
when they you know, they went on to one year

843
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,199
you know in the later years, uh, I think eight

844
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,400
or something like that, and they had Cool in the

845
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,559
Gang you know.

846
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 5: Open for them, man, yeah, yeah, And I was like, I.

847
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: Was like, I was like, fuck man, I said, the

848
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,800
time could have opened for them. Man. Oh god, if

849
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,159
they got Cool in the Gang, could you imagine us

850
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,320
and them that ship? Was it? Damon ly rough Man,

851
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,880
Damien Roth. I love Dave Man too, man. I love

852
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,000
Sammy too. I love Babe, especially because he acts like us.

853
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 3: So you know, do you know why they had bands

854
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,960
like Cool in the Gang opening for him?

855
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: Uh?

856
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,679
Speaker 3: It was an ego thing. So they didn't get out

857
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:33,679
sold in T shirts and ship like that. That was

858
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,519
didn't mean it wasn't It wasn't. It wasn't like these

859
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,119
guys suck thing. It's just like it was just an

860
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,119
ego thing. They don't like gettying out sold in T

861
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,000
shirts and just little.

862
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: Show wow wow, because they freaked me to I said, cooling.

863
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,039
It didn't make it. But then I thought about it,

864
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,599
I said, well, maybe it did. And I heard it

865
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,559
was great. They had a cooler gang loved it because

866
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:58,360
you know we've done many shows with them. They love

867
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:58,840
that ship.

868
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,039
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course, of course. And that's like I said,

869
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,119
I mean, it wasn't any slight on cool the game.

870
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:06,079
It was just's just say, hey man, we just don't want.

871
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: To get on to different genres. Yeah, yeah, exactly made

872
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,960
all the sense of the world. When I thought about it,

873
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,199
I was like, once again, man, god damn, we should

874
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,360
have been you know, but that powers didn't be here

875
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,800
to let it happen. But that would have that would

876
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,480
have freaked. That would have been some ship. Oh yeah,

877
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,599
would have got a fucking badass.

878
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 3: Just a couple more questions for the before we go

879
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,440
to Breakley and come back, and for the reason that

880
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:31,440
you are here is your brand new record, Jelly B.

881
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,320
Johnson Experience to Get Experienced, which is out now available

882
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,000
through your website. We'll get to all that in a

883
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:41,920
second here. But so what uh it was what eighteen

884
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,519
years until the time got back together, right.

885
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: Well, I won't say eighteen. I see more like you

886
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,880
know what we stopped, you know when More started doing

887
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,840
this ship around eighty five, and then we about about

888
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,760
nine years later Man ninety four ninety five, we got

889
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,519
the money, we got we put the Morse Day in

890
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:06,760
the Time version back together because remember originally it was

891
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,920
the time without original Man, there was this time. Okay, okay,

892
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,199
when he came back, we did more because you know,

893
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,440
by this time all of us had done ship, Morrison

894
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,039
had his solo career and everything, and then Prince was

895
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:18,960
tripping too. He didn't want us half the time. We

896
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,280
couldn't use the name the time because he was tripping.

897
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 5: Oh good, so of course, yeah, so we went through that.

898
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,519
Speaker 2: So it was either he was tripping about us using time,

899
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:29,440
and I think that's basically because he had problems with.

900
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:35,039
Speaker 8: Terry and Jimmy here too, so so he would always

901
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,320
He was cool for a few years, and then the

902
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,039
more and more the darker he got in his life,

903
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:42,440
the more and more he started causing more problems, but

904
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:43,920
he always let Morris.

905
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: He never challenged More about the Morse Day in the

906
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,400
Time version. So that's why you had that.

907
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and then you guys ended up in Jane

908
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:53,480
Bomb Strike Back.

909
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan silent man.

910
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: Before we get to that, I just have this one

911
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,519
one Prince question because this is about you. But obviously

912
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:03,639
you know these questions are going to come out. Did

913
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:07,639
you ever did you see that Kevin Smith's story about

914
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:11,079
how we got them how he got permission to use

915
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,480
the time in the film?

916
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,599
Speaker 2: I heard about you. I know for a fact that

917
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:18,519
Kevin is a big fan. Uh you know, we did

918
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,679
a couple of things when that movie came out and stuff,

919
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:23,280
and he always he always showed us a lot of

920
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,719
the lot of stuff. But I heard about this, but

921
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,880
I haven't heard it totally about how what happened that

922
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:30,559
nothing would Prince surprised me?

923
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 3: Bro, you have no idea, right, yeah, yeah, I'll find

924
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,079
it on YouTube. I'll send you that whole thing because basically, yea,

925
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:43,199
because it is like, wow, this guy's nuts.

926
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's crazy. He was No Day. He made

927
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,119
me famous, but he wasn't No Day at the Beach.

928
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,039
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, Well, I mean basically the story that

929
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,519
Kevin Smith told us, it's like, well, we wanted to

930
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,280
use most Beautiful Girl in the World because it was

931
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,679
going to be in that scene that ended up having

932
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,480
bad edison in it. Oh okay, okay, when when Jays

933
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:05,760
like putting the fucking cup over his boner and all

934
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,480
that kind of stuff, when that that's where that was

935
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,320
supposed to be. And then uh, then Princess like, I

936
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,280
just don't know, I just don't think it would fit

937
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,360
with your crowd, because you know, you make dick and

938
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,880
fart joke movies and blah blah blah blah blah.

939
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

940
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but you can you can use the time.

941
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,079
You know, that was basically how that happened. What do

942
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,400
you what do you remember? What do you remember about

943
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,800
filming that movie? Filming that scene?

944
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,599
Speaker 2: It was it was so much you know, I've been

945
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,320
in so many Hollywood scenes, and we've done the Grammys

946
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,800
with a handful of times, and Ship I just remember

947
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,559
just one of them. It was just one of them days.

948
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:40,599
It was long and Ship. We did a bunch of

949
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:42,920
takes of it. But it was fun, you know because

950
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,400
Kevin and and whatever that other du I forgot the

951
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,599
other dudes that he's changing his too. But they loved us, man,

952
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,719
they loved us, so you know, so they were showing

953
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,559
us a lot of love and I remember being in

954
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,880
the trailers and going back and forth all ship. You know.

955
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So it was a great time, bro, it was.

956
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

957
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: And then almost it is too that reinvented us with

958
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,920
the kids. Yeah, you know, because all the younger generations

959
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,960
they started, you know, started loving us because a g

960
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insided bomb.

961
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 5: Right, So it's kind of a reboot for the more time.

962
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: It's because all the kids were into U stuff.

963
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny how the nostalgia factor works, you know. Yes, yeah,

964
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:22,920
Well what's old is now cool again? All right, so

965
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,719
let's do this. Jelly Ban Johnson on the blower with me.

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All right, so we are back with Jellyban Johnson. The

1040
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album is available now. It is called Get Experienced, and

1041
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,199
this is brilliant, all star fucking lineup, even featuring our

1042
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,199
good friend Tracy Blake. I love it so Tracy Blake.

1043
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bad man.

1044
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I fucking love Tracyman and Tracy.

1045
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: Tracy is one of the most gifted musicians walking in

1046
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,760
the earth. At first and people don't know, man, he

1047
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,320
has a he's doing a country project right now too.

1048
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,880
You know, we all know him from the funk and

1049
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,760
the rock. Yeah yeah, yeah, but go years. But he

1050
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,440
has a new country project called One for Willie that

1051
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:47,719
y'all should stay tuned watch out for it. Off the change, Mike.

1052
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,159
Speaker 3: I'm actually going down the country road too as well.

1053
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:50,960
Believe it or not.

1054
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean Tracy, Tracy has that that Tracy does,

1055
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:57,559
what he has in his will houseman is ridiculous. Man,

1056
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:59,440
I'm telling you, it's ridiculous.

1057
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,199
Speaker 3: So yeah, uh so when when you decided to do

1058
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:02,800
this album?

1059
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,199
Speaker 5: Was there?

1060
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,559
Speaker 1: Uh well, when, first of all, when did you start

1061
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,920
writing or did you were you writing along. Were you collaborating?

1062
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: I was collaborating, man, because you know the first song

1063
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,519
on there puts some jelly on it. Man, is a

1064
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,199
is with Ronnie Baker Brooks. Now, people don't people don't

1065
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,840
realize Ronnie Baker Brooks come from blues Roydy. His dad

1066
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,400
was Lonnie Brooks the uh you know, Elannie was a

1067
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,320
famous blues guitars back and then from the He had

1068
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,159
a had a hit song back in the fifties called

1069
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:35,599
the Crawl when he was named Guitar Junior. And then

1070
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:39,719
he moved to Chicago, you know, and got embraced chase

1071
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,440
his name in Ronnie Brooks and embraced the Chicago blues scene.

1072
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,440
And so anyway, and you know, later years and stuff,

1073
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,800
I ended up being becoming great friends with the family

1074
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,360
because I you know, I did Ronnie's first three albums.

1075
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,719
You know, Ronnie was his guitar player as his son.

1076
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,440
He was his guitar player for thirteen years, and he

1077
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,639
was supposed to all of a sudden, you know, he's

1078
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:01,559
one of the guitar hot shots been when Kenny Wayne

1079
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,800
Shepard and Johnny lang Alden was coming out, well, Ronnie

1080
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,000
was around their ages and one of the famous producers.

1081
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:11,039
I think it was Jim Gaines when somebody was supposed

1082
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:12,519
to do him. You know, Jim Gaines was doing all

1083
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:15,840
the young hot shots. Then anyway, some came up and

1084
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,800
Jim couldn't do his project. So Ronnie was devastated. But

1085
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,960
he was friends with me. He said, well, being you know,

1086
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,400
he said, would you be interested in doing my record?

1087
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,480
I said, yell, why not? You know, yeah, because you

1088
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:29,199
know I was still working for Flight Time, I was

1089
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:31,239
still producing and stuff. So I was like, okay, yeah,

1090
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,360
why not. So I ended up doing his first three

1091
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,639
records and they all Chicago blues and Hendricksy kind of

1092
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:40,559
stuff on him. So anyway, when I started about two

1093
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:44,159
years ago. You know, now meantime, you know a bunch

1094
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:45,440
of you know a few of my friends who say,

1095
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:47,280
you know all I said, Bean, you know you should

1096
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,519
do a record. Even Terry Lewis and told me back

1097
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:50,840
in there, you know you could do a record, dude,

1098
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,199
like a Quincy Jones type thing, and just have different

1099
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,719
people because you know, I can't sing. I you know,

1100
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:02,480
if I could sing always, I can tell people what

1101
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,039
this flag, but I can do plag broll. You know,

1102
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:06,840
God only gives you so many talents.

1103
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1104
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,159
Speaker 2: So anyway, so you know, he came and you know,

1105
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,000
Ronnie said me, you know what, man, you know, I

1106
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,400
got this song, man, I put together hat you in mine?

1107
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,599
I said, well what is brother? Let me check it out,

1108
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:24,119
you know, and this is like a couple of years ago,

1109
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:28,199
and it was put some jelly on it, and so I,

1110
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,000
you know, I caught up all my you know musicians friends,

1111
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,039
Michael Blair, Tracy Blake, Chance Power, you know, all these

1112
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,079
bad cats man. And then so we cut the basics

1113
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,880
here in Minnesota, and then I sent it back to

1114
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,880
Chicago and Ronnie. And Ronnie got Tom Tom Washington who

1115
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,920
lives in Chicago. Anybody knows Tom Tom Washington's from Earth

1116
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,360
Wind and Fire fans and arranger. He did all their

1117
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,880
horns and stuff back in the day. And he's there

1118
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,440
in Chicago and he's a you know, so he put

1119
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,599
he put like six horns on that mug.

1120
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah right.

1121
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: So, and so that's what got you know, that's the

1122
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:05,559
very first song on the record. Man, That's what got

1123
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,519
me going. And so we just went there and then Tracy,

1124
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,800
me and Tracy used to play high right you and

1125
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,360
you would love this too. Here in Minnesota. We uh,

1126
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:14,000
Tracy used to have a high rock band called the

1127
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:15,239
Tracy Blake Project.

1128
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 5: Yes, oh yeah.

1129
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,039
Speaker 2: I used to go out and watch them play, man.

1130
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,480
You know they played like a C d C and

1131
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,199
all this heavy black crow all that rock shit. Man,

1132
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,440
Tracy's well bursed in that. I used to come out

1133
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,320
and and sit there and down with them. Man.

1134
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 3: You know it's funny you say that, Hold on before

1135
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,800
you say gove forward. I went up and did the

1136
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,360
Food Fighters version of Darling Nikki with them once.

1137
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it wasn't really did that because to me,

1138
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,000
come on, I.

1139
00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:48,519
Speaker 2: Just we were just on the time that the original

1140
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:50,280
time just played with the food Fighters on one of

1141
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,599
these tribute shows. Man, that the Grammy is yeah, oh yeah,

1142
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:55,239
that's right.

1143
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Prince Tribute, right.

1144
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Press tribute. Yeah he did. And Dave all his

1145
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,239
cool as hell too. Man, He's always showed me a

1146
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,239
lot of love with him.

1147
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: Have you had his barbecue yet? Though?

1148
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: I haven't had his barbecue, man, But oh ship dude,

1149
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:10,000
I'm sorry.

1150
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:12,039
Speaker 3: We're gonna we'll get back to the record in the second. So,

1151
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:14,559
like a couple of years ago at NAM when they

1152
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:20,400
do Dime Dime Bash, he was out there thirteen hours beforehand,

1153
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,239
firing that barbecue up in the back lot and uh,

1154
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:27,760
you're kidding, Oh no, dude. It's a full blown, real

1155
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:30,679
fucking barbecue. And it was for all the VIPs and

1156
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:31,760
the artists and all that ship.

1157
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 5: Wow, dude, it was.

1158
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,559
Speaker 2: He is coole as hell. Man. He is such a

1159
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:39,679
cool dude. Man. And he's a fan too. That's what

1160
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,559
killed me. He's a total fan of his Minneapolis ship.

1161
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 7: Man.

1162
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,079
Speaker 5: That's fucking showing me so much love.

1163
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: Man.

1164
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so amazing. So yeah, because he so you

1165
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:53,000
decided to, you know, call him outside riders. So yeah, yeah,

1166
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:54,840
you got you got to put some jelly on it.

1167
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,719
And because I remember keeping jelly on.

1168
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: It, and then we got a you know so much

1169
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:02,679
two years here, I've been doing my little owner shows

1170
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:04,679
here man, like for the super Bowl and for my

1171
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:07,159
birthday and all that, and all these great young artists

1172
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:09,719
man would come and on my record, I used some

1173
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,199
of them. It's one on the call by a group

1174
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:15,400
called Illism and his Wife, Uh his wife, Husband and

1175
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,400
Wife team Fancy and Envy. So that song that my

1176
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,480
record is a song called energy uh kmar Tam. I

1177
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:24,719
was in Prince's band for years. Man, when he had

1178
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:30,239
the Twins and Dancer you remember you ever seen it? No?

1179
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,599
You don't remember you ever see his performance at the

1180
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:37,280
super Bowl? Yes, okay, well kay Myra was part of that,

1181
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,559
but anyway is an amazing artist, man, And Uh, I

1182
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:43,000
got two songs with her on there. Then UH had

1183
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,440
this kid out at New York Man that always idolized

1184
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,360
the time, Man. And every time we go to New

1185
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,559
York and play the different club we played damn there

1186
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:51,440
everywhere in New York, but he would always be there

1187
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,119
watching us. His name is law Kellie W. So it

1188
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:57,079
got him and I did a song with him on

1189
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:00,840
there with Tony Moseley from MPG and just just so

1190
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:03,800
just it's my almos kind of all over place, chance Howard,

1191
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,400
you know that's my my homide. He was in Prince's

1192
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,400
band when you know he did musicology and all that,

1193
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,760
and he was in the Time for ten years too. Okay,

1194
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,360
so uh you know, so my almost kind of all

1195
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,719
over the place. But is it that's who I am? Yeah?

1196
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,159
Speaker 3: What Man's look, it's it's all about uh. Look, it's

1197
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:23,000
your first solo album, Man, it's showing who.

1198
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,679
Speaker 2: You really are. It's showing who I really are, and

1199
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:28,000
it's not really it's not you know, you're not gonna

1200
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,960
find nothing on that sounding like the time, you know,

1201
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:32,519
And that was purposely done, you know, I get that.

1202
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,719
On purpose. I wanted to sound this is me, you

1203
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,920
know me. I like the blues, I like heavy guitar,

1204
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:41,400
I like soul, I like you know, you know, soul

1205
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,119
ship and that's what's on my record.

1206
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:43,559
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1207
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,239
Speaker 3: So you have Michael Plan playing on almost everything, did.

1208
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 5: You man, you ever that's the best drummer here.

1209
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:54,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, huh, I said.

1210
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: Michael's the best drummer here in Minnesota. Man. And even

1211
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,119
though I was supposed to be a good drummer. Ship

1212
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:01,199
every time I would do a record like Ronnie, Ronnie

1213
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:02,840
would tell you that I had him all him and

1214
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,079
Sunny Thompson all over Ronnie's record and stuff. And there's

1215
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,920
a reason that Prince. I heard Prince say publicly he

1216
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,239
was the best drummer he ever had. Wow, I know that.

1217
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,159
And you know Prince has had some badass drummers. Oh yeah,

1218
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:16,840
but he always a lot of that stuff that you

1219
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,920
heard coming out of Paisley. If there were real drums,

1220
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,440
it was Michael Bland Okay, I know that fact.

1221
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean, I know he's he's a

1222
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,719
fucking badass. Months you could be there, you could be yeah,

1223
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,400
because you know I used to go down to the

1224
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,480
Combo every once in a while.

1225
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:32,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you get on the combo, you

1226
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:34,320
walk in the door, you hit that big beat you know.

1227
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,119
Oh that's Michael.

1228
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,519
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, speaking of U, speaking of Bunker's. Uh, Tiffany said,

1229
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:41,239
you know your favorite bartender, says Hi.

1230
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: Oh tell her. Hey, yeah, I miss her.

1231
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: I used to. I worked with her up at the

1232
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,800
Press in Saint Cloud. That's how I know.

1233
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, she is such a sweetheart. Man, I

1234
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,559
miss her. Man. You know, Bunker still ain't open yet, bro,

1235
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,280
So they sell you how situation were we in around here?

1236
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:57,719
Speaker 5: Is brutal?

1237
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 3: Is Is the combo still a thing?

1238
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: It's well, I'm obviously right now, but not right now.

1239
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,840
From what I heard, I got some of the inner workers.

1240
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,239
I know a couple of I know, I know Billy

1241
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,280
Phronsie retired stuff, but that the guitar players in my band,

1242
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,599
they being a routine is going to replace him. So okay,

1243
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,199
I know they're looking for whenever Bunker's open, back up

1244
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:19,559
they're going to go back, but you know we'll have

1245
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:20,840
to see you. Yeah.

1246
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: So how long did you know?

1247
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 5: Like next month of be a year?

1248
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: Huh?

1249
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yo, yeah, I know, it's just fun. There's nothing

1250
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,199
we can do. There's just not that we can do.

1251
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,039
Speaker 2: Nothing we could do. But you couldn't have made me believe,

1252
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:34,119
is it? You couldn't have made me believe this shit

1253
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:34,880
would happen like this?

1254
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 5: Oh I know, Oh my god, I know.

1255
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: So so how long how long was the writing recording process?

1256
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,360
I mean when did you years?

1257
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: Close it? It took close to two years, you know,

1258
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,079
just I just taking my time. Is I wasn't in

1259
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:51,159
no hurry nothing like. It wasn't like I was a

1260
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,960
major artist anyway. And this is all new territory for me.

1261
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,199
It's all a new journey. So I just want to

1262
01:01:56,239 --> 01:01:58,519
take you know, before that you know, I'm in the

1263
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:00,320
fourth quart of my life or they put me in Brown.

1264
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,280
I just wanted to have something out here that that

1265
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,960
was me and that represented what I was about musically,

1266
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,719
and that's all the jelly beans get experience about. That's

1267
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:08,239
all it is.

1268
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:10,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I can't I cannot wait to hear if

1269
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,840
anybody wants to get in on this. I got some

1270
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,559
I got some loyal fucking listeners that like to buy ship.

1271
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:20,599
So if you go to Jellybean Dash Johnson dot com, yeah,

1272
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,920
everything is right there. Everything is right there. And that

1273
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,800
big smiling face that I can't see right now.

1274
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,719
Speaker 2: That if you had to smile and keeople crying.

1275
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 3: Exactly, Jelly. I just love that. When I when I

1276
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:40,199
saw you at fucking h at La Guns, I yelled

1277
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,440
darkness and you lost your ship.

1278
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: People, that's the inside thing was people don't know me.

1279
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,599
And you know what that means that you have to

1280
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:53,599
the cowboy. Yeah, yeah, it comes to that comes to

1281
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:57,079
Eddie Murphy, you know know from Ray from his it's

1282
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:00,559
Charlie Murphy, bless him. But yeah, John m you're talking

1283
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:06,960
about Rid James where it's hilarious called me that for years. Man,

1284
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:08,800
that's one of my many nicknames I have.

1285
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 3: But ye know, oh my god, oh god. Uh songs

1286
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:21,400
with with Tracy did were those co writes written produced

1287
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,079
by Tracy Blake?

1288
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:27,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, Tracy Blake and stuff. Uh you know

1289
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,519
that I'm co producing everything on there. But I just

1290
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:33,000
let these artists do their thing, man, I s let

1291
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:37,039
them do the thing. You know, I, you know, more

1292
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:39,000
on the next record. Maybe I'll do some more things.

1293
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:40,559
You know, I kind of out of practice because I

1294
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:42,079
haven't done it as much as I did in my

1295
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,400
recent years and stuff. But that's the thing, you know,

1296
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,639
they and they trust me. I trust them, and that's

1297
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:49,639
the thing. If I don't trust you, you're not gonna

1298
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:50,599
be on my record.

1299
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 3: Right exactly, exactly.

1300
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,079
Speaker 2: In other words, in other words, either don't bring me

1301
01:03:55,079 --> 01:04:01,079
no bullshit, expect bringing the good ship. Don't bring me

1302
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:01,800
no bullshit.

1303
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:03,239
Speaker 5: Yeah right, I.

1304
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:07,119
Speaker 3: Would love I would love to hear jelly Ban Johnson

1305
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:09,400
Doug Pinnock collaboration.

1306
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,599
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I love him too, man.

1307
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:13,159
Speaker 5: He you know I've never met him.

1308
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:15,719
Speaker 2: I always met him from Afar. I remember he saw

1309
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,239
me one time. I had a band back in ninety one,

1310
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,039
man that I did a little personal show that day too.

1311
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,360
I had a band, no under my name, and we

1312
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,000
did over my Head. Oh he saw it, man, Yeah,

1313
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:31,719
he saw it man on on wherever he saw it

1314
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,280
during that time, whatever media we had, and he messaged

1315
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,400
me and said, being wow, he couldn't believe we were

1316
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,039
playing on this song. Man. I fucking love Kings x Bro.

1317
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,480
I always the three of them are ridicting. Ty taber

1318
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:52,000
Man is ridiculous, right, he is this ridiculous man. And

1319
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:54,199
the drum drummer got real sick for a while, but

1320
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:56,360
he's freak. The three of them are just for and

1321
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,079
Doug is just his solo records man. One of all

1322
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:05,159
records right now? Man, what is it called? Uh? Wow,

1323
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:05,760
I can't the.

1324
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:11,559
Speaker 3: One that there's so many Doug it's awesome.

1325
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just off the chain, man. You know,

1326
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,880
I know Steve Stevens is on this one. Steve Steevens

1327
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,400
is a couple other guys. But he, oh my god,

1328
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:22,760
I'm like Doug. And he has a funky sigh too.

1329
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:25,400
As heavy as he can get. He can go to

1330
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:28,320
church and he's he's fucking with that ship. Yeah.

1331
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's another Chicago guy.

1332
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: Oh see, I didn't know that.

1333
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:36,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a Chicago guy. He's oh my god, that's

1334
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,519
where he that's Doug is from Chicago. So he came

1335
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:40,360
up on a lot of the same ship. Yeah, he's

1336
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,480
only five years older than you. So he's you guys.

1337
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,960
You you guys are in the same fucking wheelhouse.

1338
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 2: Man, it's this instruct man. He did this record with

1339
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:52,639
him with him, Eric Gales and Thomas Pritchean Pritchian man

1340
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,320
and man, they did a slow bruise on there. Man,

1341
01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:00,039
it's still just my face. This gets ugly. That's like

1342
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:03,599
because you know Eric, Eric is twenty. Eric gets ridiculous

1343
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:04,639
to me. Oh oh my god.

1344
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 3: Well I'll tell you, oh my god, I'll put you

1345
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:07,400
to in touch.

1346
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:07,599
Speaker 2: Man.

1347
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 3: You guys would love you to do that.

1348
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,559
Speaker 2: Do that. I would love to tell you know because

1349
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,079
I always admire him.

1350
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:15,559
Speaker 3: Man, people want to find you on social media? Where

1351
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:15,920
do they go?

1352
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 2: I have a Jellybean Johnson page on Facebook. Also, if

1353
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:23,840
you want to meet, if you want to get to

1354
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,199
me personally on what you want me to respect that

1355
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,000
my management does the other pages. Gary Johnson on Facebook

1356
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:30,920
with two hours.

1357
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: Two hours, just like Gary, just like Gary Beers from

1358
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:36,719
an excells.

1359
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's the one I'm on the most. Man.

1360
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,639
I'm on Instagram, but my management runs that. I'm on

1361
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:46,719
some of the other ones things. But if you really

1362
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,719
want to hit me up personally, that's the one Gary

1363
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,559
Johnson with two hours on Facebook. Man, that's the one

1364
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:54,400
that I'm always posting a ship on there. I'm always

1365
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,599
posting rock ship. I'm all over the place on there,

1366
01:06:57,119 --> 01:06:59,440
I pull ship and make you think, especially these days

1367
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,639
with all the racial unrest and all the craziness and

1368
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,639
the bite and all that. Yeah, yeah, all the ship

1369
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:09,800
we Uncomfortableut you know, I make it because I'm old,

1370
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:10,079
you know.

1371
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, ye're old, so you've actually seen the

1372
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:13,920
worst of it.

1373
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,719
Speaker 2: I've actually yeah, I've been through that bullshit, you know.

1374
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,760
I mean, it's just sad, is it that it's two thousand,

1375
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,400
it's twenty twenty one and I was around in the sixties.

1376
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,159
I saw that. Yah, you know right right, It's the

1377
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,239
last thing I want to be dealing with for I

1378
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:29,559
have to be to put me in the ground and

1379
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:31,199
dealing with the ship that we're dealing with.

1380
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Well look, I mean this fucking this thing

1381
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:37,639
is supposed to be over soon, we're hoping and we

1382
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:40,599
can try to get back to normalcy and some normalcy.

1383
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:43,079
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, God willing, God willing.

1384
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 3: Then we can all get back on stage again and

1385
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,920
fuck it. Just it, just you just that's why I try.

1386
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,840
I don't get into it. I just I just lived

1387
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,000
my life, try to smile, try to have fun and

1388
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:57,159
don't be a douche.

1389
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't be a douche. That's all you can do,

1390
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,559
you know, And I'm glad you said that. Is that

1391
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,920
it's just it's just about being a decent human being.

1392
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:13,559
I mean, what happened to moral compasses? Social media? I'm

1393
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:19,279
s yes, social media, Internet as much as it is great,

1394
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,600
as much as it is a curse too, there really is,

1395
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,960
and it just amplify all the bad, all the craziness.

1396
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:26,119
Speaker 5: Man.

1397
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, jelly dude, thank you so much. Hold on, we'll

1398
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,119
say goodbye off the air. I'm just gonna hit my

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ultro music one time here and there. That goes. Make

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sure you guys hit up. The Jellybean Johnson website is

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Jellybean dashed Johnson dot com. And thank you again, dude,

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I really appreciate this is all.

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Speaker 2: You know for you, you know, for you, and you'll

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be safe out here. Many watch your ass.

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Speaker 3: I'll do my best and.

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Speaker 2: We hook up.

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Speaker 5: We hook up to my friend.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely hold tight, we'll say goodbye off the air,

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and and uh yeah, make sure you help all the

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social media a reel Lizzy Presley all the way across

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the board, Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, and of course show

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page is another ref podcast. Next week. I think we

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have a drunken summit with the rise and fall of

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the music magazine. Uh gonna get everybody lined up for that.

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Make sure you go back to the YouTube and see

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all the other old episodes. And you can also follow

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on spreaker if you want to listen live, you want

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to comment and ask questions during the show, listen live

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on spreaker, hit upspreaker dot com, slash user slash Izzy

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Presley to do that. What else do we got? If

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you want to donate, you know Izzy Presley at yahoo

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dot com is the PayPal, buy t shirts, just buy everything,

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support me, support my broke ass. I'm jelly. That's why

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I'm buying your vinyl. All right, We will see you

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guys next week. My name is Izzy Presley and don't

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forget what at acting talent I make up for in

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cock