WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:00.520 Willis. 2 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.480 Do you know who Andrew Ridgeley is? No, he is 3 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:09.640 the other half of Wham, George Carricle and Andrew Ridgley. 4 00:00:10.240 --> 00:00:11.960 Right. Yeah. 5 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:14.919 When I was on Court three watching you on Sunday, 6 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.359 I know what it's like to beat Andrew Ridgeley. 7 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:22.359 Now, okay, I. 8 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.359 Had a load of people look at me, and I 9 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:27.440 had a few people come up to me and talk 10 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.239 to me, but they all just want to know about you. 11 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:34.399 They talk about the podcast because of you, and I'm 12 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.560 basically Bernie Taupin who writes all of Elton John's lyrics 13 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:39.320 with Elton. 14 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.280 There's no there's no Paul Todo about Dave Almett. 15 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:46.840 It was your mum and dad actually came up and 16 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:48.679 and they were they were They were the ones who 17 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:49.799 actually said nice things. 18 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:50.719 But everyone else was. 19 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:53.679 Like one person said to me, the lady sitting next 20 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:56.000 to me from Edinburgh said to me, is he really 21 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:58.079 like that in real life about you? 22 00:00:59.759 --> 00:00:59.920 Well? 23 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:01.799 What? And like I'm on the podcast. 24 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:05.519 Yeah, it's just I'm just putting my acting hat on. 25 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.480 It's got a really thick, coolish accent in real life. 26 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:15.239 Yeah. And he loves Kale. I love it. I don't 27 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.519 get enough of the Kale so yeah, anyway, Nick smoothies 28 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:20.200 most of the time. 29 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:23.439 I know what it's like to be Andrew Ridsley. Do 30 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:25.879 you want to do a podcast at those sweet little lips? 31 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:27.040 Yeah, let's do it. 32 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:44.519 This is the word you're talking about. 33 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:48.640 Willis podcast with him, Marcus Willis and me Andrew Ridgeley. 34 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.480 Now today we're talking wind Wooden, Arthur Ferry, Switek, sablenkaz 35 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.840 fit Alina, Serena, all of it. I want to know 36 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:58.840 what's going on and what's going. 37 00:01:58.680 --> 00:01:59.319 On in your head. 38 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.599 Plus our brand new feature of getting to Know You 39 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:06.040 is now in its second outing, so we really get 40 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.960 to get under the skin. In a Cross Nixon style 41 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:14.919 interview with wimbled and hero Marcus Willis, how are you mate? 42 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:15.319 You're right? 43 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:16.520 All right? 44 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:20.800 Yes, come come manwn to Earth's quite nice and Claverden's 45 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:24.199 got talent yesterday and my son right and the drums 46 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.280 want So I sat through two hours of that give 47 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.800 some interesting stuff going on, some yeah, as you can imagine. 48 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:33.759 And I watched the England game as well. 49 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:35.479 So oh you did their wake up? 50 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:36.400 Yeah? 51 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:38.479 Well, I mean I watched the first half and then 52 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:41.199 and then I woke up three to one with a 53 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:43.319 red card next to England and then they scored the 54 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:47.080 penalty and I watched the rest of that and then 55 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:49.879 kind of woke up and it was at the Talent 56 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.280 show and then went for breakfast, and it's like when 57 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:54.199 would have never happened? 58 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.680 Oh well, look, your Wimbledon story is one that I 59 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.199 want to hear, and I want to hear about how 60 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:06.479 you dealt with playing at and going out of Wimbledon 61 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:11.039 without you dragging us into your living hell. But I 62 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.159 also want to talk about Wimbledon in general and get 63 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:18.039 your view. Plus we've got getting to know you. What 64 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.520 would you like to start with general wimbled and chit 65 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:22.639 chat or getting to know you? 66 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:23.800 Yeah, that's still getting to know. 67 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.039 At the end, I think just yeah, yeah, because I 68 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:27.919 don't know what's coming. 69 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.639 And that's that's so organic, isn't it like. 70 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.560 My play on your head, playing your mind, couldn't it? 71 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:35.840 Yeah? Rent Free. 72 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:44.520 Somebody who is now nationally known but was definitely county 73 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.439 wide known and known within tennis circles for a while 74 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.159 is Arthur Ferry. And everyone at my tennis club is saying, 75 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.280 did you know Arthur Ferries from Surrey? 76 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.639 And he plays and I'm like, yeah, no, tennis a tennisist. 77 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.439 Did you know, Yeah, he plays tennis, said, he's on 78 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:01.479 the grass courts now. 79 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.360 Now Arthur Ferry has become big time national news and 80 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.800 Wimbledon hero twenty twenty six, but before all of that, 81 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:12.520 he did a bit of care in the community because 82 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:13.960 he actually partnered you didn't. 83 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:16.240 He He did in Surbitons two years ago? 84 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.560 Yeah, okay, how did that come about? How do you 85 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:21.399 end up partnering for Arthur Faery? 86 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:24.519 Well, I mean I was, huh. 87 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:26.839 I was actually supposed to play with Christian Harrison for 88 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.959 the first two or three and then I'd say to 89 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.800 Christian that we might have to split for Winby because 90 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:35.519 you know of our rankings at the time. And then 91 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.240 he got on offer for Fabericce Martin, who was ex 92 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.480 twenty in the world, and that was kind of a 93 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:43.959 week before and for him it was better to play 94 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.879 the whole grass season with him and partner him rather 95 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:47.680 than maybe one. 96 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:49.720 Or two weeks for me. So you know, it was 97 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:50.920 quite a last minute thing. 98 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.160 I basically messaged a couple of guys at the LTA 99 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:56.600 said look at that, I'm a partner for the grass 100 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.680 and I'd love to play and they said well, Arthur 101 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:05.040 Ferry free in Surbiton, and obviously, obviously I said yes 102 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:10.600 because I've known him before he was a tennisist. So yeah, 103 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:12.600 that's how it came about. And then the following week 104 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.040 I was, you know, asking for other players. I was 105 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.040 going to play with Billy Harris maybe, and then John 106 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:18.839 Piers messaged me, so I played with him, and then 107 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.240 I played with Jay for Winwoodham. But I'm going off 108 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:23.319 piece here, Dave. That's how it came about. 109 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:27.920 So you meet Arthur? What is it? You drop imma? WhatsApp? 110 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.920 First of all, it kind of got arranged already through 111 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.879 the LTA. They kind of agreed it and I can't 112 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:36.720 remember I would have messaged him, yeah for sure. But 113 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.920 he was playing singles as well, so you know, we 114 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.279 got on court against Dominic Stricker and Reedy, the Swiss 115 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:45.839 guys who were good. Strick had just come off fourth 116 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.879 round of US, and yeah, he's I always knew he 117 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.319 was good, but yeah, he's very very good. He's a 118 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:55.040 very good doubles player as well, obviously, But like. 119 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.240 Did you did you hit with him? So how old 120 00:05:58.360 --> 00:05:59.319 is he? Two years ago? 121 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:00.360 What is it? I don't know what he is. 122 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.439 He's twenty three now, so in twenty one. 123 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:07.920 Twenty twenty one, and then you did you hit with 124 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.399 him first and think kriiche, there's a lot of work 125 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:12.639 on this ball or anything like that. 126 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:14.959 Well, No, I warmed him up for his singles a 127 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:16.399 couple of times and hit with him. 128 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.360 Yeah, he's just good. It wasn't like up. 129 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:22.759 Yeah, you're hitting with someone and a match warm up, 130 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:26.199 so very rarely they go you notice too much. I 131 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:28.160 know's how clean his ball strike was, how he could 132 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:33.160 kind of do everything, great hands, good serve. You just 133 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.879 notice how clean everything is. But yeah, fortunately we didn't 134 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:37.399 play any points. 135 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:37.680 Dave. 136 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:42.959 Yeah, in normal man life he's all right right height twice, 137 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.360 but in tennis world he's sure, isn't he five nine 138 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:47.040 or ten? 139 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:49.519 Most tennis fairers are monsters now, aren't they? 140 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:50.360 Yeah? Huge? 141 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:52.959 Yeah, I guess he stands out on the tennis tour 142 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:54.240 for being slightly short. 143 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.439 I was always under the impression that if he was taller, 144 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:03.279 he would be, you know, guaranteed chewing top one hundred, 145 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:05.839 top fifty whatever. And a coach actually said to me, 146 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.720 it's a shame for Arthur. He'd be really good, but 147 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:13.199 he's short. Is it just a case of that coach 148 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:13.639 is wrong. 149 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:15.480 Yeah, of course. 150 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:18.519 Yeah, who's to say if he were taller he'd have 151 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:22.560 the same technique. It's the same low center of gravity. 152 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:25.079 It's like someone said, Andy Murray, if he had a 153 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.720 bigger second serve, he'd have been better, but you know 154 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.240 he learned those retrieval skills and the third ball because 155 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:33.000 of his second serve. 156 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:33.680 Correct. 157 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:35.120 Yeah, yeah, you can't. 158 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.920 You can't say it would be better if you know, 159 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:42.639 someone said something about a pelkor or isn't it like 160 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.959 if there was shorter they'd be better. It's like maybe, 161 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.079 maybe not, but it's just kind of one of those 162 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.199 conversations like don't really matter. 163 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.720 Like half of our podcast only half? 164 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:58.160 Wow. Yeah, it's like if I would you rather be 165 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:00.040 a go to or a snake? Like that kind of. 166 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:02.639 Question. 167 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:04.399 Off Now people say it as well. 168 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.319 You know that there's this player that they're lefty or 169 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.639 they're awkward, but if they weren't lefty, they wouldn't be 170 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.279 that good, And you're like, yeah, but they are. 171 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:17.319 Yeah, yeah, that Peter crouches that one, isn't it if 172 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:18.439 he wasn't six foot. 173 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.160 Yesterday when Demetro was coming into ferries back end like 174 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.639 he's so good at getting his feet behind it and 175 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.079 keeping low and drilling it. If you if you're six 176 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:31.759 foot two, it's much harder to hit on the run. 177 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:33.120 So so yes and no. 178 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.240 So someone who's who's seen him up close a couple 179 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:43.799 of years ago, as his game evolved and changed since then. 180 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:43.799 It must have done, must have done. 181 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.759 I know he's had injury problems, like he couldn't serve 182 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:48.600 how he wanted to for a while. He's not actually 183 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.919 played a full schedule very often. Schedule schedule spends if 184 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:59.720 you're lessening in the States or UK at both works. Yeah, obviously, 185 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:01.480 I mean look at his results and how he's playing, 186 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.000 But it's not everyone's that surprised. 187 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:08.600 He's always had incredible ability. 188 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:10.320 Yeah, so that's what I was going to say, Like, 189 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:12.519 just he now breaks the top. 190 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:15.639 Hundred, Yeah, sixty in the live I think he had 191 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:17.360 already before the demeter of match. 192 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:23.759 And from there that's guaranteeing Grand Slams seeding in challenges. 193 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:30.080 But top sixty and sixty then we're into the master's territory. Ye, 194 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:36.879 are you at all surprised that this has happened to him? 195 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.200 But if a couple of years ago I had said that, 196 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:44.759 fella there center court, five sets against Gregor Dimitrov and 197 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.279 sixty in the world, would you have gone, yeah, fair enough. 198 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:50.919 It's probably in between. 199 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:53.519 It's a hate when people go, oh, yeah, it was obvious, 200 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:57.240 and it's never obvious, because you know, to make cause 201 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:58.879 of a slam, you're going to have some tighte moments, 202 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:00.639 you're going to have to play some good players. And 203 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:04.000 it's yeah, sometimes it doesn't always happen like that, but yeah, 204 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:04.639 I'm not over it. 205 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:07.320 It's not like a oh my goodness, never saw that coming. 206 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:07.840 Yeah. 207 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:10.639 Yeah, it's also not it was inevitable because you've got 208 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:12.399 to look at his body, you've got to look at 209 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:17.200 playing a full calendar. Yeah, he was playing very well 210 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:19.399 at Queen's. He was unlucky not to beat Cirrindilo on 211 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.919 the tournament. He's yeah, he's playing at the level he 212 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:27.320 is and it's not like he's probably playing quite well 213 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:31.000 for his norm, but he's not. He's not playing like 214 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.440 out of his skin, you know, one percent everything. He's 215 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:38.519 he's playing very measured, very solid goods. 216 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:41.879 Statistically outperforming, you know, like where you see someone with 217 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.519 fifty six percent of serves in and winning ninety two 218 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.080 percent of points. Not to that extreme, but you get 219 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:53.639 what I'm saying. He's not actually outperforming those stats. He's 220 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:55.639 he's nailing it, isn't he quite? 221 00:10:55.639 --> 00:11:00.440 Frankly like he's just nailing it? Are there? So? So 222 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:02.159 where where's his future now? 223 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:09.159 Yeah, he's got a great, great team around him. For him, 224 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:12.960 it's his body. And I guess big smart with which 225 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:17.440 tournaments he played, but yeah. 226 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:21.240 I mean and just second week with grand steams going 227 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:22.360 going forwards. 228 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:25.360 Yeah, he might have a few where he doesn't. He 229 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.399 might have a few where he does. He might, you know, 230 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:32.159 stay where he is from it. He might jump up. 231 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.960 I don't. I don't know, but he's not. It's not 232 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.720 like he's going to finish this tournament and you know, 233 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.240 never win at this level again or struggle. Yeah, you 234 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.480 know because because he's very rarely been outclassed by anyone 235 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:51.320 unless he's had a shocking day. He's going to keep improving. 236 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.960 As I say, he's got a great, great team around him. 237 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.240 Get to work and keep keep his body. 238 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:57.480 Well. 239 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.600 I mean, I love Wimbledon, and I love a story 240 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.240 like Arthur Ferry and how somebody goes from ten days 241 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:08.240 ago he can walk into most Tesco Express and no 242 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:13.320 one looks and now he can't. I just love it. 243 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.559 I love what it does to people, how it changes 244 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.919 lives and how it inspires, like all the kids at 245 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:20.200 the tennis club and stuff like that. 246 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.240 So what about the women side? 247 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:28.759 Srichek, Sablenka, Switzerlina, Rebeccaena all went out early. 248 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.799 I feel like that's happened quite a bit at slams. 249 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:34.519 I mean, maybe not the last couple of years. You know, 250 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:39.960 Sabolenka has been through and stuff. But yeah, it's it's 251 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.559 tricky to play out there this year, especially when more 252 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.879 than the courts, the wind, the balls, you're going to 253 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.200 get some upsets and we've already had quite a few 254 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:54.759 Osaka beating Sabalenka in a few years ago. That wouldn't 255 00:12:54.759 --> 00:13:00.840 be a huge upset. We all know she can play. Yeah, 256 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.879 it's it's I found the women's Slams fascinating for a while. 257 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.799 Does it make it more or less exciting for me? 258 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:14.240 More for anyone's guests on that day in some respect. 259 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:17.919 In some respects it's open and Paolini is now back 260 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:18.840 in the quarters again. 261 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:23.799 She had a tough couple of years. Yeah, it's you 262 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:24.960 can't write people. 263 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.080 No form at all suddenly, Yeah, but. 264 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:34.399 She can when on form. I find it fascinating. I 265 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.840 find it really. I think it's what the men's lacks sometimes. 266 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:43.440 Yes, yeah, did you see Sablenka's quote when she went. 267 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.240 Out, Yeah I did see that. Yeah, okay, that was 268 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.559 that was Yeah. I can relate to that certainly. Younger 269 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.720 in my careers are completely different extreme. You know, I 270 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:57.919 want to go out and get smashed. 271 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:01.519 It's it's it's normal, yeah. 272 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.039 For anyone who did. 273 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.879 Sablenca says she's so disappointed at going out, so disappointed 274 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.240 with her performance level, she's going to forget about tennis 275 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:15.200 and she's going to go get drunk. Actually, Demneur said 276 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:17.320 something very similar. Did you see those quotes? 277 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.240 I feel bad for him, Yeah, I feel bad, not 278 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.919 not in the sense of, you know, it's third world problems, 279 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.159 but in the sense that, you know, he works very, 280 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:31.320 very hard and it's not clicking for him how he wants. 281 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.840 He's just it's just it's just in a sad place. 282 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:41.279 Really, yes, yeah, yeah, but. 283 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.240 I still think there's there's opportunities for him. It just 284 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:45.840 won't feel like that for him at the moment. 285 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:52.360 So on on how they're on that. 286 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:57.320 Relating it back to you, how many times as a 287 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:01.519 professional tennis player, if you felt like, I mean, stuff is, 288 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.879 I'm having three days off, I'm going to go and eat, 289 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.639 drink whatever. How many times has it got you? And 290 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:10.039 how are they going to bounce back? 291 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.159 It got me a lot of my between junior and 292 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:25.120 twenty six face losing it hurts, right, But yeah, nowadays 293 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.759 I'm better at processing that and some people need it 294 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.360 like I, as you know, I don't. That's not how 295 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:37.000 I deal with stuff anymore. But some people need a blowout, 296 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:40.759 a bit of perspective change. I need to wake up 297 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:42.919 with a sore head and manage that rather than think 298 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:49.480 about tennis. I don't know, but everyone's different. Yeah, they'll 299 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.960 they'll be back. It's it's the world class tennis players. 300 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.759 It's fine. It's an emotional sport, right. 301 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.600 It's you leave everything out there, you train off, and 302 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.000 you go out there and don't perform it. It's annoying, 303 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:05.679 you know. I felt that in the Mix Levels match, 304 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:07.080 but I was annoyed after that. 305 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:09.240 Yeah, I want to talk to you about that. 306 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:14.039 Because, yeah, because you train hard, you you're at wimbled 307 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.000 and you're at a slam and you come out and 308 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:20.480 you know you don't feel like it's fair. 309 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:25.679 Sometimes, so Demoner says sadly, it just feels like they 310 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.600 keep coming. It's not easy to take. You go through 311 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.600 moments in your career, in times where you feel like 312 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.080 there's you know, opportunities to be taken to take the 313 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.039 next step, to make it to the next level, to 314 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.519 become a better version of yourself, and you fall short. Constantly, 315 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.200 you doubt yourself, You doubt whether you're going to be 316 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.600 able to break through and what it takes to get 317 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.840 to the next step. It's a combination of one side 318 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:50.759 of me being tough for myself, but the other side, 319 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.720 I'm being realistic. As much as I'm in a great position, 320 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:55.519 the fact I want more and I'm not able to 321 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:58.600 achieve more. It's a battered ideal with every day. This 322 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.879 is another one to add to tally. I won't be 323 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:06.200 playing a tournament for a while. It's really to hear 324 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:11.480 a player, especially someone like him, speaks so honestly is 325 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.720 pretty astonishing. Have you got to a point before he thought, 326 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:20.880 I'm just not going to play another tournament, like I'm out. 327 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.039 Yeah, not for a while for me, but yeah, I've 328 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:29.640 been there and before I won my first first features 329 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.640 singles title years ago. He went on the family holiday 330 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:33.160 for three. 331 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.160 Weeks in America. 332 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.759 I didn't pick up a racket, and I came back 333 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.079 and won, had a great start for the year. You know, 334 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.279 sometimes you just need to take a little bit of 335 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.240 time away because you get so wrapped up and everything, 336 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.079 and yeah, sometimes you need to push through and just 337 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.400 keep going. And sometimes it might be really good for 338 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.519 him to step away. I know he's getting married soon, 339 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.160 and it's nice to, yeah, take a bit of a 340 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:05.119 step away, but it's brutal, and it's more often than 341 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:07.079 not you're gonna not play your best tennis when you're 342 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:07.720 thinking like that. 343 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:13.559 Well, somebody did take a step Away's Serena Williams now. 344 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.400 I was courtside for this as I posted on the 345 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:20.839 in stuff, something I found astonishing. Obviously, they close the 346 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.400 roof and stuff so they get the lights on favor Serena. 347 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:29.079 Before Serena come out, they announced like a boxing world 348 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.759 champion was coming out against a bum. It was ladies 349 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:39.400 and gentlemen coming up at six, fifteen, twenty three or 350 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:43.480 twenty four time Grand Slam winner Serena Williams. 351 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:43.920 And her opponent. 352 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.160 Then they played a montage on the big screen of 353 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:56.720 Serena winning stuff. Then the doors open and you could 354 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:01.240 forget she was actually playing another human being. Everything was 355 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:05.799 set for the for them to bottle out on the girl, 356 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:08.279 for them to scare her opponent. 357 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.440 Right. Did you see Serena in the practice area. 358 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:14.640 A couple of times? 359 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.920 Yeah, so we're walking around her with a family or 360 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.480 team or whoever. There's a lot of people there. 361 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.519 She travels not alone, right. 362 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:29.240 Yeah, she doesn't travel lightly. There's a big team there. Yeah. 363 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.039 Is there an air of superiority or is it something 364 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:33.880 that Wimbledon did. 365 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:39.400 Didn't see her enough to notice. 366 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:45.039 That, but it's something wimbled and do and they did too. Yeah, 367 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.240 I don't know if it's I don't think it's they 368 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:49.880 want her to win. They want her to play well 369 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.759 for her, do everything for her and no matter you 370 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.319 know who the opponents are. And they admitted that, you know, 371 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.680 when she they were going to put a double for 372 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:01.400 Saturday when typically it's played first or Friday latest for 373 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:04.519 women's first round, and they said, you know, we're going 374 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:06.400 to do everything power to harder here because we want 375 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.960 to hear and that's that's the system. That's the that's 376 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:12.680 just what it is. Whether we agree with it or not. 377 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.559 Does it gross you out a bit that there's two tier. 378 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:19.480 I'm used to it now. I mean, there's the stuff 379 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:20.279 going on this week. 380 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:21.920 We'll chat about it a bit with the with the 381 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.119 doubles and you know, the way you understand how things work, 382 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:28.079 it's it's it's not just tennis, right, you probably look 383 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:31.680 at FIFA, you probably look at any big organization. 384 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:35.160 It's it's not a fair system. It's not a fair world. 385 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:36.279 Tennis. 386 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:39.440 Tennis is just a microcosm of the reason that Prince 387 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:41.720 Andrew and behind bars basically, isn't it. 388 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:42.519 Let's be honest. 389 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:45.920 But yeah, that's that's a That's another thing you've just 390 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:50.039 mentioned that it's lem enough. Yeah, it's a bit different 391 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:53.200 because Serena's actually, you know, one a lot of tennis tournaments. 392 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.799 Sure, sure, rather than being an unemployed German billionaire. What's 393 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:04.440 the with Serena. I'm not editing that with Serena, do 394 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.759 you think so? I'll give you an example. When I 395 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:09.920 went for Talk Sport, we had Elton John come in once. 396 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:16.279 Oh yeah, and we had people from Elton John Incorporated 397 00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:20.559 coming in telling us how to speak to mister John 398 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:21.640 where he sits. 399 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:22.559 Blah blah blah. 400 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.000 Right, Elton John come in as the most normal geezer 401 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:29.240