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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Speaker 2: Troy a sight, don't be all a man bab not

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once great champ now sunny and mopishness no longer the

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factory hungry still wait right? So many times people by

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a pathetic wash up age, ax Champion.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go. I think you know the guy,

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and I think you know what's pretty dear?

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Speaker 4: WHOA?

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Speaker 3: His name is he?

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Speaker 1: Presley?

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Speaker 2: Press pres Psley? What's my name? Say my name, bitch?

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My good friend?

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Speaker 1: Is he Presley? Is he Presley?

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Speaker 4: Is Presley Couch?

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Speaker 1: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 2: WHOA?

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Speaker 4: That sounds a little weird? Is he President?

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Speaker 2: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 3: Is he Presley? The heaviest, gurthiest rocky j around? Hey,

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this is Jeffer. You listen to Izzy Presley. Those aren't

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pillows now they're not. Hello, Las Vegas, Hello world, Hello,

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my loyal dominions. It's good to see you. It's always

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good to be seen. I'm Mizzey Presley. I'm the host

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of the program without the fabulous Mike Dawson. This week

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DOS had some scheduling conflicts. He was not able to

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record this week, and that's fine. You know, it's great

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people have have lives too, and I could not not

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do a show. So here I am flying solo, which

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I've been doing for thirteen years, so it's not like

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I haven't done this before. It's now. Can give me

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Garth staring at the at the at the camera where

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you think his head is going to explode. But thank

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you for being here. I appreciate you guys. I appreciate

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you hanging. I appreciate the support. Uh. Speaking of the sport,

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hit up Thepatreon Patreon dot com slash real Izzy Presley

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five dollars a month. If you are on the Patreon,

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you're hearing this tonight, You're seeing it tomorrow. This is

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Oh what is the date? It is Wednesday, January twenty first.

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It is seven to three pm. You're hearing it tonight

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by eight three pm January twenty first. If not, you're

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getting it off Friday the twenty third, with ads. All

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the Patreon's ad free. It is what it is Patreon, folks.

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I apologize. I thought I hit published on the show

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last night, so you got you're getting two shows tonight.

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Went to the av ends today and that was glorious.

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Just went to get my badge and walk around and

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met Christy Kanyon. God bless her, God bless Christy Kanyon. Wait,

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we talk about that in the interview later on. I'm

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going to be going back tomorrow to get the content

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and the next fresh round of dating tips from porn stars.

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And I just have to get the questions lined up,

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and they will be lined up, and they will be entertaining,

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and there will be jiggling titties on the show, but

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of course covered up because you know, we can't. I

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can't show titties. As much as I'd love to. I'd

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love to have grocery store gal naked behind me. That

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would be glorious. That'd be good. We'd like that, that

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would be good, but we can't do that. We can

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do that on the radio version, on the podcast version,

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but I can't do that here, trust me, because I

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want to see those that would be glorious. Some bitch

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thinks that would be glorious too. It's mad at me.

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the a v N. Not the awards, the uh the

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It's like nam accept the fun diseases and much more

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titties that you want to see. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.

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Speaking of that, why don't we do this, Why don't

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we jump into one of the dating tips with porn

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Stars that we did not play yet, And then we'll

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be right back with my good friend Steve Brown, you

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know him from Trickster plays with def Leopard from time

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to time as the fill in guy for a Vivian

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and sometimes Phil. And now he is coming on to

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talk about and I'm talking like that on purpose, by

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the way. Now he's coming on to talk about his

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brand new bon Jovi tribute called Always Jovi, who is phenomenal,

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and we dive into the tribute world. We get good

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old Trickster stories, we get some old bon Jovie stories,

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get some of these freely stories, a fun ride down

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Steve's rock and roll past, and you will enjoy it.

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It is another fucking podcast. I'm busy. Presley Dawson will

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be back next week and here's dating Tips with porn Stars. Hey,

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at least we got Dawson's voice.

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Speaker 1: And now it's time for dating tips from porn stars.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, Dating tips from porn stars. Who do

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we have here? Yes, all right, sirah. Question number one

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We all know confidence is king. So we're taking that

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off the table. Looks money or a sense of humor?

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What's more important? I like that? I like that for you.

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How important is it for a guy to make the

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first move.

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Speaker 4: It's so important for me.

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Speaker 3: I have to be chasing.

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Speaker 4: One.

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Speaker 3: Here you go. Can you smell desperation?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Don't do it.

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Speaker 3: Don't text boy, don't email mom me. I will respond

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on my own time, and I probably will respond if

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you give me actual conversation, all right? Do you prefer

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text or a phone call? Text?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 3: And if you're get to start seeing somebody, how long

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Speaker 1: Bright away?

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Speaker 4: I don't need to find out. I don't want to

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be like yourself.

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Speaker 3: You can enjoy every moment of what I do, and

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sharing that with someone I like is must? All right?

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If you want to find you on the socials and

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the interwebs, where can they find you?

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Speaker 4: Herespun dot com Love it.

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Speaker 1: That was dating tips from porn Stars. Now back to

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another f and podcast with Izzy Presley.

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Speaker 3: Joining me. Now a man that I've known for a while.

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I've seen him, uh just recently in November when we

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cross paths of the Kiss trdfest, I mean the kiss

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cruise landlocked and you know from Trickster, you know, from

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that big Christmas extravaganza. And now he has entered the

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Tribute world. Ladies and gentlemen, Steve Brown, how you doing,

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Buddy good?

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Speaker 4: Is he man? Great? Great to be here? Hello, everybody

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out there in the worldwide? Is he rock and roll?

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Intraweb world? It's great to be here? Freezing in New Jersey.

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I woke up today. It was zero degrees out and

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my I had some problems with some heating in my house,

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and my house got down to fifty degrees and we're

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just thawing out. But like I tell everybody, you know,

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like when I'm in Vegas, you know that line that

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you guys use all the time when it's one hundred

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and ten degrees and you say, but it's a dry heat.

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I tell everybody, Oh, it's zero degrees, but it's a

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dry cold.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, you know what? You know what I say, Steve,

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it's one hundred and ten, it's not seventy below zero.

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I like this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know what, dude, I'll take that any

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day as well. I love I'd rather be hot than cold.

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Speaker 3: So are you start? Are you like forever Jersey. Then

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are you Do you ever think about getting out of

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Jersey for like reasons like that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean at some point, I mean, you know,

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Jerseys you know, it's family, friends, It's where I live,

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you know. Yeah, my we're in the the world famous

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sixty one sixty Mojo Vegas studio, so you know, yeah,

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it's uh, you know, I've thought about it. You know,

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next ten years, I'd love to get a place in Florida. Yeah,

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you know, and be down there. I mean, you know me, dude,

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I was out skiing the other day with my daughter.

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I'm in a blast. So but I'm I'm definitely I'm

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ready in about another week and especially supposed to get

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a big storm here in Jersey this weekend, and I

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know after that, let's talk next week and I'll be like, dude,

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Speaker 3: The fuck out air Fuck this, I'm done. Yeah, I know,

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I have to have an act show in Minnesota February

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twenty first, So I'm not looking forward to the Maybe

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the exploding trees will be done by then. I have

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an exploding tree warning in Minnesota going on right now

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because it's so goddamn cold. I just don't need that shit.

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currently in a band called Always Jovi. Yes, the New

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Jersey tie in. See what I did right there? A

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Bond Jovi tribute. How long has this been in the works?

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it's time to do something like this.

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year and well over a year now. And it started,

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you know, it started years ago. It was always in

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playing with def Leppard, playing with Trickster, you know, to

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make money to be a full time musician, you know, Trickster.

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twelve years and Pj's been in the band for a

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while now. And long story short, you know, last year

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it just popped in my mind being out on the

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road with Wizards of Winter. My good buddy Greg Smith,

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Tokyo motorfist Greg Smith. He plays in the problem arguably

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the biggest Journey tribute band in America, Voyage with Robbie,

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our buddy Robbie Hoffman and Pedro now as the new singer.

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my head and I said to myself, I need to

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do this, you know. And it started back when I

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started playing with def Leppard, because Phil and Joe would

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Joan bon Jovi and Richie sam Bora, the way you sing,

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Tribute bands in America have skyrocketed to where bands you know,

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our friends get the letout, they play Red Rocks and

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sell it out. They play arenas our friends in the

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band Hairball. And you know, my good buddy Nick Tierry

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is in He's the mastermind behind that arena rock show.

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And he's actually my partner and helped me launching always

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Jovie and and him and I are you know, business

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partners in this. So but it's more than you know,

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more than anything, it's the love of the music and

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being able to do it perfectly because I've been blessed

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with this crazy voice that is able to you know,

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pretty much nail John in his heyday, the John Bonjo vocal.

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Speaker 3: Style which look and look and I think a lot

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of people, a lot of people in some genre shit

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on Jovie and they don't realize how good of a

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singer John was in his prime. Obviously we know he's

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not what he used to be. I mean, I mean, look,

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he's aged, he had the throat problems. It's it happens.

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Look at Paul Stanley, I mean he so we forget

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he's seventy four years old. But being able to do

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it at your age when not that I was calling

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you old. I mean, we're pretty. I'm fifty three, you've

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got to be You're like fifty six, fifty seven.

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Speaker 4: Fifty five. I'm heading fifty five, so I'm around in

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third base to fifty six. So man, what I would

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do to be fifty three? Again, shut up, you punk.

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Speaker 3: But to be able to do that is something special.

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the costume with the wig? And okay now the reason no, no,

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hold on? Yeah, yeah, but there's a there's a there's

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a thing that I wanted to throw by you and

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just just hear me out, because, like you know, I

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do the Israeli tribute. I do not look like a Fraili.

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I don't sound like Ace FRAYLEI. I wear a jacket,

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you know. But I've seen kiss tributes that I know

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that I'm friends with, that you see them in costume,

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you see them in the full makeup. People listen with

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their eyes, so they sound more like them when they're

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in the get up than they do when they're not

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in the get up, because you're not getting the visual

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part of it. Now, you could sound just like bon Jovi,

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but you're gonna sound more like him if you have

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the get up. You know, I'm getting it.

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Speaker 4: I totally do. I totally understand that. And I've had

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a lot of I've had a couple agents that have said,

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you know, man, you know, if you're doing a tribute,

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you gotta do this. But what I said before, the

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biggest tribute band in America is get the letout. They

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don't look like led Zeppelin. Okay, they don't do that.

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Queen Mark Martel, he does Queen's One vision arguably probably

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one of the top three biggest Queen tributes. It's about

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the voice. So the look is one thing. Kiss is

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a different thing, okay, because if you're doing Kiss from

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the seventies, you gotta do that, you know. But we

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also know that there's a lot of Kiss tributes and

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there's a lot of bon Jovi tributes to where, you know.

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And not to slag on anybody, because.

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Speaker 3: That's oh no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: I love what everybody's doing. My take and this is

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the tagline. It's a tribute like no other, and that

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is the reasoning that I'm doing it in the way

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that I'm doing it. To where it's me as the singer,

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which is a different thing. People are people still text

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me and message me, dude, I can't get past you

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without not a guitar, you know, and not having guitar.

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Andrew Freeman said that to me, and I'm like, well,

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that's cool, because this is showing a different side. And

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you know, but you know, the thing of it is

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is that what we're doing is you know, it's all

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the songs in the original keys. I'm singing everything. It's

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pitch perfect, note perfect, and we're doing the greatest songs

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from the greatest era, plus some deep cuts. But we're

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doing it our way. And you know, you've seen you know,

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I got my girl, Devin Maries, the you know, background singer,

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and we're in you know, none of the other Jovie

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tributes have a girl singer that's in the band full time.

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She's in the band. We're able to do. Who says

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you can come home. She's she's actually gonna be singing

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some of the other deep cut songs. That's really special

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to where I'm gonna be playing guitar on So don't

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worry everybody, I am gonna play guitar and I'm gonna rip,

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you know, don't worry about it. But again, this is

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my thing. And look, there are so many great bon

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Jovi tributes out there. Are my good friends are the

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Jersey band, Slippery and Wet. Mike Parks looks like John

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nineteen eighty seven to the tea. But you know, again, man,

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there's a difference in what I'm trying to do. And

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my my goal with this is to honor the music

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perfectly and do it better than anybody else. And I

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think we're doing that because you know, I haven't heard

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a singer on the bon Jovi tribute circuit who can

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sing the stuff as good as I can. And that's

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just the way it is. And I'm you know, so

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whatever what we're doing, as far as not having the wigs,

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we're still gonna look like rock stars. You see our friends.

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That's what it is. But it is, you know, And again,

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you can't please everybody, is man. You know, we know

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that in this business. And I've already gotten people. How

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could you do this? You can't do that. Look I'm

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doing I've always done things my way and that's the

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way we're doing this. And you know John and the band,

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you know, John and Richie, I've been you know, forty

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year friends of mine. I jam with Dave Bryan a

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couple of weeks ago, down and down in Nashville, right

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before I launched Always Jovi. We jammed on stage with

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my friends in the band Hippies and Cowboys, and I

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sang three bon Jovi songs with him, and afterwards I

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grabbed him, I put my arm around and go, dude,

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just so you know, like in a day or two,

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I'm launching my bon Jovi tribute. And he's like, oh man,

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you sound great. Good luck, you know, and it's all

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about love. You know. Look, John's been a friend, and

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I've actually offered my help to help John with his voice,

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to try to help him get back. I've reached out

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to him and numerous people in his camp. So you know,

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this is not in any way. This is all about

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love and love and the music. And sure bon Jovi's

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been one of my biggest influences in inspiration. So you know,

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what better way and what better way to honor the

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music and do it right? Then have me do it?

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Speaker 3: Did Was there any help from John when you guys

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were getting started? Did you know when did you meet John?

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Did he have a hand in helping you guys get signed.

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Speaker 4: He certainly did, man, you know, and Pete is broadcast

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this like on his YouTube channel. So the story goes, Man,

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we were you know, let me go back now that

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we're talking about this. So nineteen eighty five Rat bon

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Jovi tour Metalands Arena. My first time seeing bon Jovi

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was me and Pete were there and we were watching

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the show and it was a life changing show for

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me because that was the night, first off, seeing John

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bon Jovi live at that point nineteen eighty five, the

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best looking dude in rock and roll, hands down, the

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best fucking hair, the jersey frosted tips. Nobody had that hair,

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and he was on fire. The band was unbelievable. They

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were like a cross between there everything that I wanted

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to be that I wanted Trickster to be. It was

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a cross between Van Halen, Brian Adams, def Leppard. They

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had they had shipped from everybody journey, you know, and

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seeing them, it was like, this is the coolest band.

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But the X factor that night was seeing Richie Sambora

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and that was the night that I knew that I

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had to step up my vocal ability to become what

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I say, like a lead singer guitar player, like the

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way Richie is, the way Steve Lucather was in Toto

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to where you're just not a background singer, you're actually

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a lead vocalist. And that night was a game changer

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for me, you know, to see Richie what a great

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guitar player. He was. Performery looked awesome, and he sang

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like I mean, like you know, we all know he

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was a much better singer than John ever was right.

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He was the guy that carried those high harmonies, and

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it was just, you know, life changing. But fast forward

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to a year later when we recorded our initial tricks

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to demo tape, the five song what people call that

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just having fun sessions. And when we finished that, you know,

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we started playing the Jersey clubs, the all ages thing,

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and immediately we started getting some momentum. And bon Jovi,

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of course, was a huge influence in that because they

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were really starting to come up and they had just

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finished Slippery and Wet and it was about to come out.

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You Give Love a Bad Name came out, went right

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to number one. It was the beginning of slippery Mania.

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You know, if you remember that time.

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Speaker 3: I remember it distinctly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had heard that John was doing a thing

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at the hard Rock, like a radio thing, and so

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Pete and our drummer, they you know, cut school, I

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think they were out of school or graduated at that point,

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and they had heard that John's going to be at

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the hard Rock in New York City. So they went

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in and brought a demo tape and somehow tracked them down.

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They gave him the package and dude, a kid you not.

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A week later on our trickster hotline, which was Pete's answer,

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we get this message from John bon Jovi. A Peter,

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It's John bon Jovi. I just want to know I

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listen to your tape. Think you guys got a lot

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of potential. And it was one of the greatest moments

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of our career, of our lives at that point, to get,

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you know, the seal of approval from a legitimate rock star.

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And that's what happened. And and then a couple months later,

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another fabulous moment was when Slippery and Wet had blown

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up in the world. They started their tour with Cinderella.

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They played New Year's Eve at the Metal Lands Arena

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and lo and behold we were there and we were

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backstage and John Saws. He came right over to us. Man,

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he was like, you tricks to motherfucker's what's happening. I'm

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so glad And dude, we snuck backstage. We never had

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backstage passes. We would just always sneak in to whatever

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show and we would be there and all the you

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know union guys. Oh, the trickster guys. Yeah, they're cool.

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They don't need passes.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 4: And John came out, man and he was he was

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I think he had a couple of drinks in him.

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Of course it was New Year's Eve, of course, and

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he came right up to us and he goes, dude,

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he goes, guys, come here, I want to introduce you

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to somebody, this other band that I'm working with, skid

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Row guys. And that was the night that he introduced

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us to Snake, Rachel, Scottie, and Rob. You know, they

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were all backstage and John said the Snake. He goes, man, Snake,

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make sure you take care of these guys, you know,

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because we had some gigs booked opening up for the

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original skid Row before Slash was in the band. So yeah,

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I mean it's just an incredible story, and you know,

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John was there, you know, and another fabulous you know

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John was He was always a part of our successes.

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So the day we found out our Trickster record went gold,

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when we were on tour with the Scorpions and of

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course Doc McGee was their manager in nineteen ninety one

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and John was on hiatus for bon Jovi. So we

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were playing two nights at the Irvine Meadows Amphitheater sold

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out with the Scorpions. I mean, it was as big

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as it was getting. His Scorpions were on top. We

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were number one on MTV with one in a million.

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It was the best. And John came to the show

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with the Scorpions and I pulled him aside and I said, dude,

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I want to tell you this. You're one of the

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first people to know that we just found out today

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that our record went gold. And he was so happy

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him and Dorothea. Dorothy is like, yeah, I think I

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still have that tape somewhere, and he said to me,

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he goes, man, I always knew you guys were going

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to make it, and it was. It was one of

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the greatest another one of the greatest nights of our

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lives and John was there watching us from the wings

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and like making faces at us playing, and you know, again,

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it was just one of those cool things. And you know,

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and that's gone on for years and years of him

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always being there and Richie as well, you know, because

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Richie and I developed a really good friendship. You know,

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I was with Richie when he was making his solo

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record and you know, just incredible. So you know, again,

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it is what it is. But you know, we're we're

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booking shows and it's gonna be you know, it's gonna be.

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It's gonna be special, and I'm really really looking forward

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to it. I've been singing every day, two and a

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half hours, singing the set. Keep my ass, you know

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up there, man. You know again what you said John

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back in the day, especially like eighty nine through like

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ninety seven, when he did you know, the New Jersey record,

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Keep the Faith, you know, to keep the Faith. I

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think to Keep the Faith tour was one when he

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was singing at his best. You know, he was just phenomenal.

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And you know again, you know, he never I don't

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think he ever got enough credit for how great of

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a singer he really was. But you know, I'm here

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to tell you learning these songs and singing always and

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singing beta roses. It's it's definitely it's not kids stuff,

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that's for.

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Speaker 3: Sure, dude. It's it's great to hear that you're doing it,

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but it's still I mean, it's got to be a

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little weird for you too at the same time, you know,

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like he talked about, it's like, obviously you can't make

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a living doing Trickster all the time, you know. But

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and it's just wild how the tribute world has just exploded,

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you know.

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Speaker 4: It has. I mean, you know a lot of my

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friends are you know again, you know, Voyage is a

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huge example of that. You know, talk to Greg smith Man.

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They're doing you know, they're playing you know, big casinos fairs,

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they're selling out you know, two three thousand seeds and

468
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making you know, making successful national act money as a

469
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,680
tribute band. I mean, look at you know, look at

470
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,119
Get the Letout, look at Hairball, look at that Arena

471
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,039
rock show. You know, these guys, I know, the numbers

472
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:39,599
that they're doing, man, and it's bigger than most national acts.

473
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:42,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's insane. And actually a Hairball type show just

474
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:46,079
popped up here in Vegas. I can't like Todd Kerns

475
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:48,200
and those guys are all in it. Of course, you

476
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,480
know the Vegas icons, you know, it's like icons of rock,

477
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,960
icons of rock. There it is. See, I knew I

478
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:55,480
was close.

479
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the thing I did get is, you know,

480
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:01,039
I might not be wearing a wig, but I got

481
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:01,720
the mic standing.

482
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: Oh see. Now it's the props. It's all about the props,

483
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:06,039
you know.

484
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,279
Speaker 4: I guess, I mean, you know, I mean, at the

485
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,759
end of the day, we're just doing it, you know,

486
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:11,519
we're letting the music do this all. And we got

487
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:13,960
a great show. I got an LED I bought an

488
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,640
led wall, so we have awesome and it's it's next level. Man,

489
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,759
it's looking I'm really really looking forward to it. And

490
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:24,400
the fans have been you know, the social media stuff

491
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,000
has been out of control. People are going nuts. All

492
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:31,200
the bon Jovi sites are you know, liking in sharing

493
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,279
it and nice. You know again again, it's all done

494
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:37,400
with love. And you know, like I've told somebody before, man,

495
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,920
like playing with Deaf Leopard, it's always great to do

496
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:43,279
something like playing with def Leopard. Their music was in

497
00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:46,039
my blood, Like I didn't have to learn that much

498
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:49,119
because I knew all the songs already. It's always great

499
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,400
when you do play in a band that that's your

500
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,240
favorite music, So bon Jovi, you know, it's just natural

501
00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:57,480
for me. That's it really is.

502
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,519
Speaker 3: And you know how I just take les to sometimes Steve,

503
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:02,599
how long have you been sober?

504
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: Now? It's I'm rounding third base, that's my that's my

505
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:07,680
new catchphrase.

506
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: I love that.

507
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:13,079
Speaker 4: I'm sliding into home next month. Well March, March is

508
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,960
going to be seven years my man.

509
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 3: Wow, what was it that made you turn the page

510
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:20,400
and say, you know what, I'm done with this?

511
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: You know, I think it was just look, man, you

512
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720
you you want to live life or you want to die?

513
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,079
You know. I mean, there were there were some there

514
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:35,160
were some moments where I was in some pretty bad situations.

515
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,400
I don't think a lot of people knew how bad

516
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,720
it was, but you know, because I was always, you know,

517
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,400
I was always the Van Halen mentality, Man, let's get

518
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,559
the life of the party. You know, let's party, let's

519
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,079
keep going, let's you know, and and it just got

520
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:49,720
out of control for me. And it was one of

521
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:51,880
those things that I knew I had a problem for

522
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,720
a really long time. But you know, the alcohol and

523
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:58,720
drugs or whatever anybody does, it's all a lie and

524
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:00,880
it lies to you, and it may you become a

525
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,200
liar to facilitate it. And finally, I just you know,

526
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,559
I had I really had no choice, you know, and

527
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,720
I and I just woke up one day and said,

528
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:12,480
I got to do this. And uh, it's been the

529
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,640
greatest thing that I've done, you know, really and one

530
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,599
of the biggest compliment, compliment accomplishments of my life. You know.

531
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,200
And Alex van Halen, who's a good friend of mine,

532
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,680
you know, he says that he goes of all the

533
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,640
things you do, your sobriety is one of the greatest

534
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,000
accomplishments and one of the biggest, you know, things that

535
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,480
you've done in your life. And you know him being

536
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:37,920
sober for such a long time, and and you know,

537
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,640
again rock and roll is Phil Colin from def Leppard.

538
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,519
You know, he was one of the first people that

539
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,119
I called and you know kind of begged for help.

540
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,400
And you know, numerous people helped me along the way,

541
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,160
but ultimately, you know, it's like you it comes down

542
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,400
to you. You have to make that you know, commitment

543
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,160
to do it. And I didn't go to you know,

544
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,640
AA or anything. I just went I went to some

545
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,279
local counseling to get my mental state together, because it's

546
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,319
a big thing when you get sober, and especially being

547
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,359
a musician. I had this conversation with Neil Sean once

548
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,559
and you know, it was like, you know, he told

549
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,359
me it took a long time for him to get

550
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,039
his chops backed because we're also used to and Ed

551
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:18,359
van Halen was a prime example of that. You know,

552
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,400
he always told me he used to have he used

553
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,240
to have have to have like a six pack of

554
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,640
beer just to get creative, you know. And it was

555
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,079
that thing man, like we all did back in the day,

556
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,240
a couple of drinks, a couple shots before you go

557
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:34,079
on stage to loosen up, you know, and that's what

558
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:36,119
it was. And then the next thing, you know, it's like,

559
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,759
you know, all that is after the show, and then

560
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,440
it becomes, wow, I'm really hungover now, and what's going

561
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,720
to make me feel better? I got to start drinking again.

562
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:48,759
And that's when you know you're fucked. You know, when

563
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:51,039
you when you literally wake up and the only thing

564
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,680
that's going to make you feel better is you know,

565
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,359
another beer and a shot to start the day and

566
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,559
That's how I knew I was fucked, And sadly, it

567
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,480
took me another five years after that where I was really,

568
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:04,839
you know, really kind of in a bad state. But

569
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,359
you know, either way, and you know, and I've given credit,

570
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:10,039
you know, I've said it numerous times, but Joel Hookstrow

571
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:13,160
was one of the guys who said the most profound

572
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,640
thing to me about it. And it was really simple

573
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:19,119
when he got sober. When I was doing Rock of

574
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,799
Ages with him, I was his filling in twenty fourteen,

575
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:24,640
and that's kind of when he got sober, wow, over

576
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,799
ten years ago, and he said the simplest thing to me.

577
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,000
He said, dude, it's made my life one hundred percent better.

578
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,240
And for some reason, that was the most powerful line

579
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:40,000
and it always stuck with me. And sure enough, three

580
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:43,759
months after I got sober, my life was a thousand

581
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:47,079
percent better. And it was like I call, I texted him,

582
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,799
I said, dude, you were so fucking right, and it

583
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,640
was the truth. And it's been seven years now and everything,

584
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,799
you know, I feel great. I'm performing better than ever,

585
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,119
I'm singing better than ever, and just just loving life

586
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:01,799
more than ever.

587
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: And then you realize, oh, maybe I wasn't the life

588
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,359
of party. I was just annoying. I love you.

589
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: I definitely was, man, And I've apologized to a lot

590
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,039
of people, But you know, it was never it was

591
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:17,880
never meant to be that way.

592
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,119
Speaker 2: I was.

593
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm just giving.

594
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 4: But you know, man, we've you know again, it is

595
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:24,839
what it is. And yeah, it's people who come out

596
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,000
on the other side that's what's most important, you know, exactly.

597
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,920
Believe me. I've apologized to a lot of people. I'm

598
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,079
sorry about that night.

599
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: How's the how's the guitar world going? Yeah? You got

600
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,359
your guitars out? I still haven't. I still haven't touched

601
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,039
one yet, that one one in Vegas?

602
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 4: I think, didn't you didn't you touch the one I

603
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,440
was playing?

604
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,559
Speaker 3: No, you don't think you don't put your testicles on it.

605
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,799
I did not put my testicles on it. I didn't

606
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,319
rub my use my dick as a slide or nothing.

607
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well, yeah, the new line, the new line,

608
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,279
the twenty twenty twenty six models just came out last

609
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,839
week and flying off the shelves. Use it's incredible, man,

610
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,160
I gotta tell you, I never in a million years

611
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,279
would have thought that at my success level that I

612
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:16,240
would have a guitar line that's selling and people love

613
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:19,799
and I'm just so honored to have it. And you know,

614
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,359
it's the best guitar under one thousand dollars in the

615
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880
you know, the shred model range. You know, it was

616
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,200
one of those things. My partner, Jay from Guitar Fetish,

617
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:32,559
who was the guy who masterminded this whole thing, came

618
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:34,519
to me with this idea and he said, I want

619
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,279
to do a signature lone with you. I want like

620
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:40,359
a Van Halen style guitar, Floyd's you know, eighties inspired,

621
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,640
and I was like, I was like, what me. You know,

622
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,880
it was one of those things where it just kind

623
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,640
of came out of left field and he's like, no, man,

624
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,119
I want you because you're the everyday, you know, working

625
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,400
musician where you're playing stadiums with def Leppard and then

626
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,119
five days later you're down at Seaside Heights playing the

627
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,680
Beach Comber in front of twenty people, and then you're

628
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,559
out with Trickster playing here. You know, all of that

629
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,720
played into it, and you know, and we just designed

630
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,759
this guitar. It started during before COVID, and during COVID

631
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,079
we were able to perfect it and get it to

632
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,039
where we made these incredible guitars that basically retail for

633
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:22,519
three hundred and fifty nine and they have every rock, rock,

634
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,160
shred guitar player could ever want, you know, And we

635
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,279
have new models that are you know, you see the

636
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:28,240
Telly back there.

637
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that we have.

638
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: Non Floyd's and we have you know, all these different models.

639
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,119
So it's just, uh, it's a you know, again, brother,

640
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,200
it's a dream come true. And they are great guitars.

641
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,119
I'm using them out on the road and I use

642
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,640
them one hundred percent stock. The only thing I do

643
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,279
on them is block the Floyd Rose because I don't

644
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:50,359
like a floating Floyd right. But you know, dude, it's again,

645
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,240
it's uh, it's just such a dream come true. And

646
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:57,079
the response, you know, dude, I got my own Facebook group,

647
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,400
SBS Guitar Facebook group people you know, modifying and like

648
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,279
the other day somebody was like, yeah, I went on

649
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,279
your Facebook group too because I needed to get a

650
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,079
new nut and I wanted to know. And I'm like, wow, dude,

651
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,119
I have my own SBS Guitar Facebook group. I didn't

652
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,639
even know, you know, as wild, Like yeah, so it's been.

653
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,000
The response has been great, and everybody the house one

654
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,199
loves them, and uh, you know again just uh, you know,

655
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,039
another one of these things where this rock and roll

656
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,239
fantasy life of mine. You know, it's just keeps keeps going,

657
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,880
and I'm just so appreciative. So thanks for bringing it up.

658
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,039
Speaker 3: Of course. But you're not at NAM with them.

659
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: No, we're not a NAM. SBS is not you know,

660
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:43,599
it's a mail order guitar company, not in retail, and

661
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,559
NAM is more retail partner Jay from Guitar Feedig. He's

662
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,679
out there doing deals with some of the overseas company

663
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,920
and stuff like that. But yeah, it's uh, you know,

664
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,840
maybe maybe one of these years.

665
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 3: Well you got to get out to the Las Vegas

666
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,440
Guitar Show at a fraction of the price, you know,

667
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,199
I know you got to get out here. But I see,

668
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,480
I'm not at NAM either. I met the fun NAM

669
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,440
where the good diseases are the avns.

670
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 4: You told me that, dude, that's great.

671
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: I met Christy Canyon today, what Christy Canyon, and all

672
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,679
I had to do was name drop Adam Carolla and

673
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,679
she loved.

674
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 4: Me the Adam Carolla card. Here you go, Adam.

675
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,119
Speaker 3: She she went to elementary school with Adam.

676
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:34,599
Speaker 4: Oh very cool.

677
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So she was on the show and he

678
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,719
had told the story about her years ago, and then

679
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,400
she came on the show and she was like, oh

680
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,760
my god, I love Adam and she talked to me.

681
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,000
I'm like, oh, this is awesome. Did you ever in

682
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:50,679
your heyday, back in the party days, when you guys

683
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,079
are on top of the on top of the world

684
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:57,440
before Nirvana and everything made it come crumbling down, did

685
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,199
you ever indulge in the porn star life in uh,

686
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,039
because a lot of a lot of the guys in

687
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,360
that in your in your ear, that's it was like

688
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,679
rock and rollers and strippers and porn stars. It was

689
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,239
like boom, it was like peanut butter and jelly.

690
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: No. But I do have a cool story. I mean

691
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,400
it's not it's cool and sad at the same time.

692
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,559
But when we were on the Warrant Trickster Firehouse Tour,

693
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,000
the Blood, Sweat and Beers Tour, at the end of

694
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:24,519
the tour, Paulie Shore came out on the road with

695
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,800
us and at that time, you know, the we'se the

696
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,360
weel hit buddy Buddy. He was dating Savannah at the time.

697
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:34,119
Speaker 3: That's right.

698
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 4: She came out on the road with us, and she

699
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,360
was so nice, and you know, a couple of her

700
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,159
friends were out. But no, man, no that was not

701
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,840
my thing. But I was around him and got to

702
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,360
meet some of them, and uh, you know Christy Kenyon,

703
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,480
she's like an eighties supers. Yeah, she's great.

704
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: Man.

705
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,039
Speaker 4: I remember, you know, big fan of the movies, you know,

706
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,039
of course, or shall I say the video tape.

707
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,159
Speaker 3: The video videotaps YEP rate to video, great to video.

708
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was cool. Yeah, And I remember, you know,

709
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,800
because Paulie was dating her and she was out on

710
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,079
the road with us, because Paulie would come out, you

711
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:12,159
know and do like he was like the MC for

712
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,360
a couple shows, and uh, we had a we had

713
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,239
a blast together. And but now that so, what is

714
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,840
that like? Is that like that? That's the porn nam show.

715
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: It's the porn nam show. I mean, you get free lube,

716
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,039
there's all the every booth has a girl in it

717
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,119
or multiple girls in it. Then there's a section where

718
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,400
it's dude, so of course you walk around that one

719
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,320
and then dude that the sex dolls. Now it's like

720
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,599
I got friend zoned by a real doll. Today and

721
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:46,760
now they have robots these fucking it's it's a sex

722
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,280
but they're like real, they're fucking humanoids. And the thing's

723
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,920
looking around. She's looking up at me with her eyes like, Okay,

724
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,320
this is creepy. Except one of the hands wasn't on it,

725
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,960
and I forgot to take a picture of it, so

726
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,280
it looked like the termina with just when he had

727
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,440
his fucking new hand put on after Vader cut it off.

728
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,639
Weird as shit, but yeah, that's basically what it is.

729
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,239
You know, everybody doing meet and greets and just come

730
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,360
up to the booth say hi, okay, Christy Ken Nina

731
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,760
Hartley was sitting right next to her.

732
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,119
Speaker 4: Oh cool, she was. She was the one that was

733
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:19,920
in Boogie.

734
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: Nights right, Yeah, No, it wasn't Nina Harley. It was

735
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:23,880
that was next door.

736
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 4: It was.

737
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: I don't know, it doesn't matter, but but yeah, it's

738
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,519
fucking Christy.

739
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:32,639
Speaker 4: I was out and so you speaking of that. I

740
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,480
last week I was at the NAM show for tribute

741
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,920
bands in New York City called the APAP Convention.

742
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:41,079
Speaker 3: Really I did not know about this.

743
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a big you know, every year right

744
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,159
after New Year's like the first week after New Years

745
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:49,480
in New York City. It's called the apap aap Ap

746
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,960
and it's all tribute bands. So it's all the agencies

747
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,039
and they have booth set up like nam and I

748
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:59,199
mean it's like any business. Most businesses that sell something

749
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,599
have some sort of trade show.

750
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, that makes sense.

751
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,559
Speaker 4: But it was cool man. Got to see a lot

752
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,519
of Uh, got to see a lot of great bands.

753
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,000
I have a new country tribute as well called Country

754
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Live that we showed there, and uh, that was fun.

755
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960
But I got to see you know, I posted a video.

756
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:18,280
There was this guy the MJ Illusion, This guy dude,

757
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,679
it's unbelievable, crazy Michael Jackson. And there was a great

758
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,920
Ozzie tribute that I became friends with, this band Crazy Train.

759
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:29,719
They're fucking great to do its father and son. The

760
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,960
father's uh, the father is Ozzy and the son does

761
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,880
the Zach Wilde.

762
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,599
Speaker 3: It's oh wow, good. But it was cool man.

763
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, getting into it. There anything we do, you know,

764
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,920
they're anything whatever, anything that is for sale. There is

765
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,280
some sort of trade show for have.

766
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: You talked about the h you brought up the warrant

767
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,920
tricks or fire or a stone cold stone kill Steve

768
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,199
Alston says fire else he talked about that tour and

769
00:39:58,199 --> 00:39:59,840
how much fun you guys had. If you guys ever

770
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:04,760
talked about doing it again, getting those three bests together

771
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,880
and going out again.

772
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:10,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did. In twenty eleven and twenty twelve, we

773
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:12,400
did a bunch of you know, we called like, what

774
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,440
was it, thirty year reunion or twenty year unions? Oh okay,

775
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:18,400
I'm terrible at math, but we did shows where it

776
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,800
was Warren Tricks the Firehouse and uh yeah, you know,

777
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:27,000
we did and had fun. But nothing will ever recreate

778
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:32,840
that was. That was just something so unexpected, you know,

779
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,960
and that tour was not looked upon when it was

780
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,880
booked as being, you know, something that was going to

781
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,079
be so successful, but it wound up becoming one of

782
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,119
the top ten tours of two of nineteen ninety one.

783
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: And it was.

784
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 4: It was a fucking rolling barbecue, Christmas, New Year's, your

785
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:57,800
Birthday party, fucking I mean, the Warrant guys taught us

786
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,400
how to party because they were next level man, you know,

787
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,440
and we all had fun. And still to this day,

788
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,119
all the bands and all the living members were still

789
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,960
great friends. We still text each other funny shit and

790
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,400
every time we're together, when we're with the Warrant guys,

791
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,960
with the Firehouse guys, we're all together, it is just

792
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,920
we cry with laughter talking about some of the stories.

793
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,599
So definitely one of the greatest summers of our lives

794
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:32,039
for sure.

795
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 3: That was. And we'll move on and get wrapped up here.

796
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,480
So we're moving on an hour and I know it's

797
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,920
late where you are, and you're an old man. So

798
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,840
that tour that was after the Wall, after Nirvana hit correct,

799
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,199
So it was just no, it was right before, it

800
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:51,840
was before.

801
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,599
Speaker 4: And I have a funny story about that because when

802
00:41:54,599 --> 00:42:00,320
we were on the tour, our old radio guy at

803
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,280
MCA Records, this guy Bill Bennett, who's no longer with us,

804
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,639
who's one of the guys at MCA Records responsible for

805
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,159
our success. He became the president of Geffen Records a

806
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:14,599
couple months after, you know, probably I'm gonna say June

807
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:18,320
of ninety one. So a couple months later, we're finishing

808
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,159
the tour in LA We're playing you know, Universal Amphitheater,

809
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,559
We're playing all these great places, and so we were

810
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:27,480
hubbed right out of Sunset Strip. We're staying at the

811
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,480
Riot House high on sunset. We had a show every

812
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,679
other day, so it was just we went over to

813
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,639
the comedy store hung out with Dice Clay and it

814
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,480
was just unbelievable. But he invited us to come up

815
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,119
to Geffen Records. And we went up to Geffen, me

816
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,079
and Pete and PJ and pj's brother Pat and our

817
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,239
manager Joel at the time, and we walk in and

818
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,440
you know, we wanted to go to get free CDs.

819
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,360
You know, give me the new White Steak, give me

820
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,800
the new Tesla, you know, blah guns n' roses, everything.

821
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,320
You know, we just fill up fucking bags of stuff,

822
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,760
you know. And another funny thing is I never knew

823
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,480
that anytime bands would come and they would get free stuff,

824
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,000
the bands got charged for that good. Yeah. It was

825
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,920
like fucking funny. I found that afterwards for all the

826
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,840
in stores that Trickster did, and we're, oh, yeah, we're

827
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,400
gonna give you guys free CDs and no, no, no, no,

828
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:23,159
we fucking paid for that ship. Oh jesus, you know,

829
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,320
it's all typical scumbag of Coursey bullshit. But of course,

830
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,079
so we get there and Bill's, oh, congratulations, guys, great,

831
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,599
you had an awesome tour he goes, hey, I'm gonna play.

832
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,239
I want to play this new band that we signed,

833
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,360
and they're starting to really break up in the mid

834
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,239
up in the Pacific Northwest, and he fucking put on

835
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,920
smells like teen Spirit and I'm like sitting there listen

836
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,719
to it, and I remember saying, I'm like, oh man,

837
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,079
it's kind of like kind of the guitar sound sounds

838
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,000
like Black Sabbath when it kicked in, and it sounds

839
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,800
like cheap Trick. I was like, it like Black Sabage,

840
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,760
cheap trick. He goes, yeah, they're doing really good. You know,

841
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,159
I don't know what's gonna happen. Just got their video

842
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,000
added to MTV. And so he gave us all the

843
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:10,679
original Nirvana promo, the fucking T shirt with the you know,

844
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,440
the smile, the fucked up smile on it. Yeah, gave

845
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:17,639
us the advanced cassette and here Trickster is the epitome

846
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,280
of eighties nineties hair band, if you will ye, And

847
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,679
he gave us these bags and we're walking out. You know,

848
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,719
we had our typical Guns n' Roses CDs whatever was

849
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,679
on Geffen, but we here we were PJ said it best.

850
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,760
We were carrying the time bomb that was gonna blow

851
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,639
up the whole genre. And I wish you know Pj's brother,

852
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,320
who's no longer with us, but Pat, he was always

853
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,320
the guy who always had the video camera. He's the

854
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,400
guy who got great footage. What I would have done

855
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,480
to have that, oh us. But dude, it was crazy

856
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:57,559
because here we were in La the Sunset Strip and

857
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:01,800
here are the guys in Trickster walking with as PJ said,

858
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,000
the time bomb that was going to blow up the

859
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,639
whole genre, and we had it in our hands.

860
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,639
Speaker 3: That's insane. So the Nelson Twins you being a business

861
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,360
guy too. I don't know if you've heard this, but

862
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,400
Matt and Gunner I always talk about this, how the

863
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:23,760
end of your genre was just like the end of disco.

864
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:28,639
And the reason that it, the main reason that disco

865
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,840
ended was because the record companies realized that we are

866
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,599
sick of paying these guys all this money. And remember

867
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:40,519
when punk came in. Punk came in because they could

868
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:43,039
offer them a sandwich and a fucking biddle a Heroin

869
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,559
instead of having to pay them millions of dollars. And

870
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,840
it was kind of a reboot of the system. And

871
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,239
they say that that had a lot to do with

872
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,280
what happened to your genre too. What are your thoughts

873
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:53,559
on that?

874
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, look like everybody's talked about any

875
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,719
great thing, any phenomenon, it's and the bubbles always going

876
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,639
to burst, right, you know, and it's just it got

877
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,119
to be. It got to be. There needed to be

878
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:07,679
a change.

879
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I agree, you know, I think you know what.

880
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 4: Happened with us, you know, and Trickster is unique in

881
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,800
the sense that, you know, we were the last band

882
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,599
ever played on dial MTV. We were the last SONGTV

883
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,679
from nineteen when did dial MTV start eighty five with

884
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:28,199
I Think Home Sweet Home? Was the first number one

885
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,559
video on dial MTV, And we were the last video

886
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,440
ever played. And PJ is convinced. He says it all

887
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,480
the time. He goes, it was that shitty fucking video

888
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:40,599
that we made for Surrender, that that the big wigs

889
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:44,719
at MTV said no more of this, and that was it, man.

890
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,440
You know, Surrender was supposed to be the song that

891
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,159
took our records of platinum. Double Platinum is the big

892
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,639
power ballot and we made this video three hundred and

893
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,280
fifty thousand dollars and it's sure enough. It came out,

894
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,800
it went right to number one, Surrender was going up

895
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,880
the Billboard charts, and then all of a sudden, two

896
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:10,239
weeks into it, MTV cancels dial MTV our song drops off. Wow.

897
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,480
And then four months later Nirvana came out and wiped

898
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:17,000
it out. And that's just the way it goes. But

899
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,880
I will say, and this is something I don't think

900
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:24,320
most people ever talk about. With any genre of music,

901
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,960
there always is going to be you know, it happened

902
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,360
in the sixties, all the sixties bands, then the seventies

903
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,599
came in all the soft rock bands, and then disco

904
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,079
came and disco had like a four year, three year

905
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,960
if that. It was a phenomenon, the biggest thing in

906
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,840
the world. I mean, I love disco still to this day.

907
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,960
Saturn Nite, it's fun fucking records. Still love it all,

908
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,360
you know, I'll defend it. I still love Dynasty. I

909
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,880
still think it's one to kiss his best records. It's

910
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:55,239
not a.

911
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:58,679
Speaker 3: Disco record, though it's got a disco song on it. Yeah,

912
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,639
but the records just record. Yeah, oh absolutely.

913
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:06,599
Speaker 4: But for our genre, the eighties, hard rock, and I

914
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:10,000
don't think and you could do your research and everybody

915
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:13,760
else do your research. There is no other style of

916
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,400
music that has had a that had a longer shelf

917
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,519
life than eighties hard rock. It was from nineteen eighty

918
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,000
to nineteen ninety, and arguably it was Trickster and Firehouse

919
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:28,639
with the last two bands that really had an impact

920
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,079
from that genre that sold and did you know, major tours.

921
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,880
I don't think there's any other genre that had a

922
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,320
ten year rain, and that just goes to show you

923
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,000
why all of the big bands, whether it's bon Jovi,

924
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,920
Deaf Leopard, def Leppard of course the band that never

925
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:52,800
stopped touring afterwards, because and why this in this day

926
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,039
and age, those bands and our music is still so

927
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,920
popular because and I'm I'm almost positive there's no other

928
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:06,440
kind of music you fast forward. Grunge was four.

929
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,159
Speaker 3: Years, yeah, and most Flash in the Pants We're.

930
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:12,199
Speaker 4: Dead, you know, the guys died, and then what came

931
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,559
after that, like the you know, the Matchbox twenties and

932
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,559
the and the Lits and stuff like that. They had

933
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:21,599
a short even though they had huge hits and lick guys.

934
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,400
That's one of my favorite bands. But no genre new

935
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:28,800
metal in the early two thousand, yeah, three four years,

936
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,639
no genre had that kind of impact where for ten

937
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,960
years there were multiple bands that would sell a million,

938
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,559
two three, four million records every time out. And then

939
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,519
in the mid eighties when Slippery, when Wet took off

940
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:48,039
and Hysteria took off, was the beginning of band selling

941
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,440
eight million records, ten million records again, Appetite for destruction,

942
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,239
you know what, twenty million records? You know, so again

943
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,440
there's something so I don't give a fucking again, always

944
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,400
said it. We were just so honored to be a

945
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,079
part of it and be a part of the greatest

946
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,840
genre of music as far as I'm concerned, and I

947
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,679
think a lot of your viewers out there will agree absolutely.

948
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: And dude, it's funny because Phil Lewis said in an

949
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,760
interview with me years ago, he goes, when I brought

950
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,679
up kind of the same thing. He goes, Nelson Nelson

951
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,000
on the head Banga's ball We was done, and he

952
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:28,039
but he was friends with them. He wasn't taking a

953
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,360
shot at them. But it was because that was the

954
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:33,280
cookie And I'm not calling them cookie cutter at all,

955
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:35,079
but you know what I mean, it was because at

956
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:38,000
that time it was like blonde lead singer, you know,

957
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,840
ballad whatever, even though they were more kind of more

958
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,920
of a pop rock act. But but yeah, that on

959
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,880
the on the head Bangers Ball, it kind of makes sense.

960
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:49,000
So let me leave you with this. Steve A. Reno,

961
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,639
obviously you got to work with Ace on his last record.

962
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,199
You knew Ace, and uh, obviously I'm a but we

963
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:02,079
were both give us a good.

964
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 4: Story, super fans, super fans, Let me show you. Let

965
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,280
me show you some stuff here. So here, here's a

966
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,960
cool Here's some some of Ace's artwork on some custom

967
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,840
guitars we were working on. You know, this is the

968
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:19,119
recorded half the record. And you know, here's some of

969
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,599
the lyrics sheets. I think I showed you one of

970
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,159
these a kiss cancer goodbye when we were out in Vegas.

971
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,679
Here's some of the lyrics. Here's some of the Oh wow,

972
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,599
here's my notes. I constantly cute. But you know, working

973
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,400
with Ace was one of my greatest experiences of my life.

974
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,559
You know, Ace was the first rock guitar hero I

975
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,400
ever had, and you know, he became a friend. You know,

976
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,119
I met Ace, you know backstage coincidentally at the bon

977
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,599
Jovi skid Row show in nineteen eighty nine at the

978
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:50,000
Metal Lands Arena. Ace came out and did Cold Gin

979
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:50,840
with skid Row.

980
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: Of course he did introduced me.

981
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 4: Say, hey, Snake, Steve, come over. I want you to

982
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,519
meet Ace, and Snake introduced me and he goes, He goes, Ace,

983
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,599
this is my buddy Steve. He's in the band Trickster,

984
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,719
you know, and a quintessential A's hey Steve, how you

985
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,119
doing good to me? Yeah, good luck with your band,

986
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,440
you know. And then you know, I've hung with Ace

987
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,119
in their early nineties with Eddie Trunk and stuff and

988
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:19,440
on the Reunion tour, but you know, working on ten

989
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,960
thousand volts was something just it was mind blowing, you know,

990
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:26,480
one of those incredible experiences. And Ace was here, you know,

991
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:30,079
so many times, and it would be like, you know again, man,

992
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,480
you know, we've been around rock stars a lot, but yeah,

993
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,000
even when they're your friends, like Ed van Halen was

994
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:38,920
a good friend of mine, and it was so natural

995
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,920
to be around them, but there were moments where I'd

996
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,079
be just like, holy shit. I remember the first day

997
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,639
working up at Ace's house when we were working on

998
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,960
Walking on the Moon, and I remember that it was like,

999
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,079
cause you know, dude, it's like you never know what's

1000
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,400
going to happen with these guys where yeah, we're gonna

1001
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,760
work together, it's not until you finally get into the

1002
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,760
room with them, right, and the enormity of it. You know,

1003
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,400
it's like the same thing when I played with def

1004
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,000
Leppard for the first time. You know, it's like, once

1005
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:08,960
you're on stage, you go, holy shit, I'm fucking playing

1006
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,920
photograph with def Leppard, you know. And as and as

1007
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,119
good friends as I was with those guys, it's still

1008
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,639
a massive hedge trip. And so the Ace thing was,

1009
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:23,280
you know, finally we got to work together. I had

1010
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,239
sent him a bunch of ideas fighting for Life. I

1011
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,280
sent him the idea for Walking on the Moon, which

1012
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,400
wasn't Walking on the Moon at the time, it was

1013
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,320
another title. And Ace came up with all that, and

1014
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,880
it was like before we even worked together. Ace had

1015
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,760
the whole concept for the new record already. He was like, well,

1016
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,039
you know how he was, man, he was like when

1017
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,400
he was on it and when he was creative, he

1018
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,440
didn't stop. And so you know, we got working together

1019
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:51,119
and it was just you know, we it was magical.

1020
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,480
And but again, you know, it never got lost on

1021
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:56,679
me that here I am. You know, whether it was

1022
00:53:56,679 --> 00:54:00,360
at his studio in Sparta, New Jersey, or here that here,

1023
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,440
I am working with my fucking hero. This is unbelievable,

1024
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,239
and we're making great music together. We're having so much fun,

1025
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:10,320
you know, and that was the coolest thing, you know,

1026
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,159
which I think you know, people got, you know, saw

1027
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,840
when some of the videos that we would post, we

1028
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,480
would have so much fun. I mean, because you know,

1029
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,360
Ace was such a funny guy. Yeah, show, Yes, we're

1030
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,960
always flowing. But man, you know, I like getting back

1031
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,239
to that story. Dude. The first day we worked together,

1032
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,079
I remember sending PJ a fucking picture and I go, dude,

1033
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,079
I can't fucking believe it. We're actually doing this. And

1034
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,079
that was it, man, And we made, you know, a

1035
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:43,360
phenomenal record, and sadly, we had so much more planned,

1036
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,239
you know, but that's not you know, that wasn't to be,

1037
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,880
and you know, I think we all you know, For me,

1038
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:52,320
I missed my friend more than anything. Of course, he

1039
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,840
was my creative partner for a while and we were

1040
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:57,119
we were working on ideas for what was going to

1041
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,880
be the follow up for ten thousand Volts. But you know,

1042
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,519
I still have a hard time. I think a lot

1043
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,599
of us have a hard time believing that he's actually

1044
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:05,400
really Yeah.

1045
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,079
Speaker 3: I'm still numb about it. It's like it's I mean,

1046
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,440
obviously I didn't know. I met Ace twice. You know,

1047
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,239
he doesn't. He has no fucking idea who I am.

1048
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:22,400
But it's just people always bring it up. It's like,

1049
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,000
how can you cry about somebody you never met? And

1050
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:31,039
once it happens with that one person, you get it,

1051
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,519
you understand, and it's still weird. It's still I'm still

1052
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,320
in awe that Ace Frehley is gone. He wasn't at

1053
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,079
the Candy Setter Honors. He wasn't there he was supposed to.

1054
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:47,519
He was excited about being there, you know.

1055
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 4: Looking forward to that. Man. Yes, I remember, man, when

1056
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,159
the press conference when President Trump you know, and said

1057
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:57,440
the names and he called me and he's like, he's like, Steve,

1058
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,119
probably President said my name right. And he was so

1059
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,960
proud of that, you know, because dude, you know the deal.

1060
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:08,199
You know, growing up in Paramus, New Jersey, everybody I

1061
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,400
knew said Ace freely, Ace freely. But I learned, you know,

1062
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:16,559
especially working on the record. Ace corrected me a couple

1063
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:18,920
of times ago, Steve, make sure you say my name right.

1064
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,719
It's Frayley, you know, and that's it, Ace Frehley. And

1065
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,280
he was so happy that President Trump said his name right.

1066
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,119
And you know, I was. I was at Ace's wake

1067
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:34,159
and I was there with some of the Kennedy Center

1068
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:37,719
guys and the one guy who was coaching President Trump

1069
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,559
to make sure he said everybody's name correctly, you know,

1070
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,760
because the President was very aware, I don't want to

1071
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,800
mess up anybody's name. And he was telling me how

1072
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:52,280
he kept telling the President, It's Frayley, Frayley, Frayley and again,

1073
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,880
you know, and you could hear when President Trump said

1074
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,760
Ace Frehley. He was very much. He was very much.

1075
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,840
He could tell he was rehearsed. Yeah, but Ace was

1076
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,840
so happy. And man, it was a bummer. And watching

1077
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,360
the Kennedy Center Honors and seeing that tribute Chris Angel

1078
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,519
did such a beautiful job and love you Chris for that,

1079
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,920
and and then seeing the guitar smoking and then that

1080
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:20,119
cutaway to Peter and Monique. Man, I its tears going

1081
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:22,800
down my face. I was standing watching it and I

1082
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,480
was that was It really hit me. It was so

1083
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:29,719
but it was beautiful. It was so sad and beautiful.

1084
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,280
But you know, like my daughter Lily said. You know,

1085
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,079
she said, hey, man, you know, legends never die, so

1086
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:37,239
Ace is always going to be with us. Thank god,

1087
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,920
we have all this great footage and all the great

1088
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,360
music that we made, and you know, for me, it

1089
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,760
was just you know again, it was arguably one of

1090
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,199
the greatest experiences of my life working with him, and

1091
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,039
I will forever love you know, Paul Daniel Ace Freely.

1092
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:56,159
Speaker 3: It was just the best I think he was. He was.

1093
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,559
That's that he my look, fucking Keith Robert Warm my

1094
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,480
guitar and act say that best. Without Ace, there's no us,

1095
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,440
and I don't think that's the best way to put it.

1096
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,639
Steve a Reno, Steve Brown, why don't you please let

1097
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:12,440
us know where we can find you, where we can

1098
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,960
find the always Jovie tribute, and where they can find

1099
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,400
tour dights for you and everything else that you do

1100
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:18,519
and your guitars.

1101
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Steve Brown rocks on Instagram and all the

1102
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,039
social media sites, you know, whatever you have X and TikTok, Facebook,

1103
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,159
Tricks to the Rocks and the Tricks to Rocks website

1104
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,760
is all tricks through. We started the twenty twenty six

1105
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,039
tour ahead into Australia for the first time in March.

1106
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:40,960
God willing, can't wait for that. Always Jovi, Always Jovie

1107
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:44,639
Rocks and always Jovie dot com. And we just booked

1108
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,599
like three three shows this week, so announcements are coming

1109
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,360
and nice, let's get man SBS Guitars, Guitarsfetish dot com.

1110
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,000
And you know, dude, thank you so much, and you've

1111
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,960
been such a great friend and likewise great supporter. I

1112
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:02,519
love you, brother, and I'll love you. I miss seeing

1113
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,239
your beautiful face and I miss you especially when you're

1114
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:07,159
in a beautiful cheap suit.

1115
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:12,719
Speaker 3: I look, damn a beautiful designer cheap suit. Let me

1116
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,239
tell you right, that's right. Hit up Steve Brown. Hit

1117
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,840
up the Patreon, Patreon dot com slash Realzzy Presley. It's

1118
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,280
only five dollars a month, is he Presley dot com?

1119
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,559
Find all my links there and don't forget on that

1120
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,079
be off of Steve Brown. I'm Missy Presley. What I

1121
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:28,960
lack of talent I make up for the cock.

1122
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much. We're a little late.

1123
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: Say good night, Chrissie, good night, good night,