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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ.

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Speaker 2: Leaves Well, we get ready for a welterweight unification weekend.

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Jiron Boots Innis and a Mitis Stanionis get ready to

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battle in Atlantic City. We're ready to talk about that,

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and we're ready to go over some fight news, and

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we're ready to go over some nostalgia and much more.

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Welcome back here on the Big Fight Weekend preview pod.

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I am somewhat more rested. Your humble host TJ Reeves.

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He is our insider Dan rayphiel back Aboard from the

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awaiting this matchup for Innis with Stanionis for a couple

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of weeks. You've talked to Jiron Innis. That weekend is

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Speaker 1: Are we ready to go here.

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Speaker 2: For another weekend where it's an intriguing world welterweight main

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event in the matchroom Dezone show.

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Speaker 3: I am ready to go. I've been looking forward to

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this fight for a while and it said's the light weekend.

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This is really the only fight of the only main

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event of you know, any show of real consequence, so

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it all have its attention and it should be a

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should be a fun fight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are looking forward to everything that's going to

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happen with it. Again, the fight in Atlantic City were

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well documented, not far from Philadelphia where innis is from

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the Boardwalk Hall. Let's pick it up on that the

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big arena and the fact that there should be a

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real atmosphere for this thing on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Oh, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Boots has been a good draw in Philly and the

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two main event fights he's had there in the recent

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past through good crowds for those two fights against Avianesian

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and the rematch against Chicazian.

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Speaker 4: And now he.

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Speaker 3: Goes to Boardwalk Hall, which is a place that it's

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made for him because he is from Philly. It is

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a short drive from the hometown. It is a nice diversion.

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Let's say to go on a weekend to go to

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the Boardwalk and you know, play some you know, gamble

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a little bit, have a nice dinner or whatever. And

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it's not too far away. And like you said, very

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historic venue. And it's only the first time they're going

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to have a boxing match in the main arena in

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the Boardwalk Call in like over ten years time was

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when Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins and Sergey Kovolev met and they're

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a very high profile light heavyweight unification fight. And it

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still boggles my mind that it has been that long

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But that's what happened. Atlantic City was kind of going

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down the tubes. The casinos weren't putting the money in

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the I mean people were still going to Atlantic City.

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I mean it's still a destination location for you know,

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millions of people every year, but for whatever reason, they

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just weren't doing the bigger shows. Now there's been a

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ton of smaller shows in Atlantic City. They've used the

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building for the smaller arena that's upstairs at Holes probably

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like three or four thousand, and they've done it Boots

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and a spot there as a matter of fact, and

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against romaind Via not that long ago. But the main arena,

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that's the historic venue. That's where Mike Tyson knocked out

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for boxing fans and for the East Coast that there's

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big time boxing back in that building because it had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you and I are older.

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Speaker 1: Two without a prominent fight.

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Speaker 1: Eleven years, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's it's definitely a former boxing hot bed, and again

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there should be some real atmosphere for this. All right,

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let me go out at this point because you and

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I have already our week is all wobbling. First of all,

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week is all screwed up that today is not Saturday

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because normally we do the bet Us Show on Friday.

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But on that show, you and I broke this fight

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down a little bit. Let me go out it like

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this in the preview mode. If stanionis is going to

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have success, give me your thing or two that he

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has to do, well, what are you for it?

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Speaker 1: Right away?

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's got to impose himself big time. He has

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to be offensive minded. He's not gonna out box Boots Ennis,

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that is not happening. He's gonna have to impose himself.

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He's gonna have to really take it to him. He's

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gonna be physical with him, rough them up and uh

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and and make it extremely uncomfortable for Boots. And it's

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one thing about Ennis is he'll fight at a at

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a He's he's a good offensive fighter, but he's not, uh,

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not a guy that that that goes crazy on guys

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like you know what I'm saying. Like, he's very uh

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controlled with the way he fights. He likes to go

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at his own pace. Stanionis is kind of similar in

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that respect. But he's gonna have to in my opinion, Uh,

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he's gonna have to go to the old cliche pressure

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bust pipes, and that's what he's gonna need to do.

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Because Boots has many ways he can win the fight. Stanionis,

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in my opinion, has basically one way to win the fight,

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and that's to apply as much pressure as possible, make

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it as uncomfortable as possible for Boots as as he

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as he humanly can. And that's the way he's gonna

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win the fight. Otherwise he's going to be in for

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a very rough and long night in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: And in his case, he's gotten hit some which has

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got to be a little bit of a concern. And

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now we'll see if he can if he can capitalize

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on this moment and bigger things ahead if you are

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the unified champion a year for Saturday Night.

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Speaker 3: One thing about that, I think when he fought Avanessian, yeah,

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he was excited to be at home. I think when

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he fought the rematch against Takazi and he had no

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interest in that fight like everybody else in the world,

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and he didn't e didn't bad in those fights, I

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mean not Devinessy now looked pretty good. That the Chakazian

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fight was not so much. But he's still won very easily.

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fought down to the competition of those fights, perhaps a

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little boredom, you know, been just dying and desperate to

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get the big fight. Now relative to a welterweight division,

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that's frankly not that good if you ask me. But

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you know, the guys who are there, who are there

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with the titles at all. But I think he's extremely

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motivated for this fight, as I'm sure Amanta Stanionis is.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that both guys are going to rise

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to that occasion because this is by far their biggest fight,

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is gonna want to do the same thing. So I

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think from that perspective, it'll be a little better in

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terms of comparing it to kind of I want to

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say lethargic, but you know, just sort of going through

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the motions in some respect the way he did against

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particularly in the Chikazi and second fight. Now maybe that

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was because of the weight scenario. Remember he spoke about

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how hard it was to make one forty seven after

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the fight. Obviously he's got to make one forty seven

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as the Stanionis again for this fight. So we'll see

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if the weight cut goes okay, I think we'll be

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able to tell, you know, pretty quickly. Well, we'll see

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him at the way in, but then more significantly, we'll

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see how he is on fight night. You know that

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that open to me and I M not usually say

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this about a lot of fights, but I think we're

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no learn a lot. Like literally, in the first round

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of the fight just to see who's who's got like

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some spring in their step, and you know how Boots

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looks and how Stanionis looks and all that.

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Speaker 2: Stanionis has had won one fight in three years one so.

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Speaker 3: And he's coming off a one year layoff, I mean,

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so it's not like he's been active even before that.

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So that's you know, we've discussed that ad nauseum. It's

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not entirely his fault. It's part of it was because

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of the mess up with Virgil Ortiz and the various

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elements that caused their fight to be postponed and canceled

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three different times because of Stanionis had the appendectomy Giron

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and I mean Virgil Ortiz had his own medical issues.

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my Estuary decision victory that was back in May of

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last year, that was on one of Canelo's undercards. Then

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you got to go all the way back to this

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time April sixteenth, twenty twenty two, so three full years

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when he fought, which was a good hell of a

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fight by the way, where you want to split decision

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against Bataiev on a card at the AT and t stadium.

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sandi Ois has talked about that. For Ennis, who had

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gone through issues in the past when he was having

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his own you know, management and promotional situations. He got

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his SOF squared away and when he signed with Matroom

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and finally got a little more comfortable in terms of

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the schedule. So he's had two fights in twenty twenty three,

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had the two fights in twenty twenty four. One of

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those two twenty three fights was that fight I mentioned

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against Via that took place in the boardwalk call but

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in the smaller arena upstairs. Then he had the back

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to back fights back in Philly at the Wells Fargo Center.

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And now he's on to the unification fight, obviously the

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biggest fight in the career for both of these guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we got that one coming as the

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main event. Let's cascade down a little bit. Raymond Ford

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moving up here to junior lightweight.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be it'll be a second fight.

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Speaker 2: In this second fight, we remember him as the WBA

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featherweight champion who Nick Ball narrowly defeated and took the

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featherweight title from Will. Ford is back with an American

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out of Cleveland, a veteran named Thomas Matisse. Tell me

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more about this in the co feature.

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Speaker 3: This is one of those kinds of fights, TJ. Whare

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where Ford is obviously expected to be the winner, but

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he's in with a veteran guy. I known for a

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good chin, He's got a few losses, four losses, never

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never been stopped, and Ford is a dynamic kind of fighter.

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Speaker 4: He can be.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned that the very close loss by split against

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Nick Ball. A lot of people thought that that that

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Ray deserved to win that fight, but he had made

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it known when that fight happened that win or lose,

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he was moving up to the one hundred and thirty

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pound way class. Remember that was on the five on

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five card back in June of last year. He came

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and thirty pounds. He scored a ten round decision. He

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He defeated, you know, a pretty solid opponent in Orlando Gonzalez.

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just you know, kind of keep the kind of keep

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the train moving, you know what I mean, trying to

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keep the chains moving and and positioned himself for some

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type of world ton of fight. You know, Matisse has

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never been an easy out for anybody. You know, He's

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coming off a tough loss against Eduardo Rocky Ronendez. That

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was a technical decision because of a of a head

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butt that you know, went to the it was went

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to the scorecards after but after four rounds of being completed.

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So he lost the decision in that fight. But I

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think he'll come to fight and look for Ford. This

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is about the world title opportunity. So he's gonna be

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highly ranked in the different organizations.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think he's gonna be highly ranked in the

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WBA because that's where he held the featherweight belt. Lamont Roach,

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who is in the process of you know, they're gonna

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get the rematch going with with Tank Davis. He is

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the wa' one hundred and thirty pound champion at the moment.

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I have to assume that whatever is gonna go on,

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Lamont's probably gonna move up the lightweight for good and

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that'll probably put if if Ford wins the fight, put

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him in a decent position to uh to challenge. You know,

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the w BA will elevate the interim champion, which is

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the Albert Bett Tardzgiyev from the Russian fighters in Olympian

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But maybe I'll try to go after somebody else. I mean,

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Navarete's occupied right now, he's got a fight coming up.

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Oshaki Foster is the WBC's champion. He's in an optional period,

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doesn't have a fight scheduled at the moment. The IBF

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title is currently vacant. So ray Ford, I mean, he's

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one of the better guys in the way class just

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on the fact that I named the champions. But there's

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not like a ton of other guys there that you

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would necessarily recognize his name, So he'll have a big

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cheering crowd there for me. He's from Camden, New Jersey.

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He's one of the reasons that he's on this card.

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You know, he'll bring in a few people, I am sure,

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and let's see what he can do in terms of

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the rest of that undercard. I'm excited to see once

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again the development of the Olympic medalist Omari Jones, who

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turned pro with Mattum who's recently in Orlando is hometown,

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on the same card with Ammo Williams when he got

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his victory.

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Speaker 2: Back what like three weeks ago. Yeah, him going, I

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like it.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 3: He literally like once his that fight was over with,

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they basically announced, like at the press conference after the

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fight that he would be back on this card. They've

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had to obviously make sure that he won the fight

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and came away with no particular injury. So he's in

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another you know, just this will be the way it

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is for the first you know, handful of his fights.

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Like every young prospect, he's in a developmental fight. He's

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a German all waight. He'll be in a six round

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against William Jackson. It's not about the fight that I'm

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interested in. I want to see the continued development of

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a young man that looks like he's got a tremendous

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amount of potential and we'll talk about, hopefully in the

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next few years as a bonafide contender and or title challenger,

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Prospect of the year type of fighter. Look, when I

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interviewed him for the podcast that we did with him

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before he turned pro, I had never interviewed him before

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extremely impressive a guy in terms of his attitude and

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the way he spoke and sort of understanding the developmental

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process of getting understand you know, he's bringing up like

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Pearonel Whittaker to me, like when I hear a young

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guy that's like what twenty three years old talking about

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Peronel Whittaker, that makes him he's like an og in

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my book, Like he knows he knows the older guys,

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and I respect that. So I'm looking forward to seeing

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him fight and then the other fight on the under card.

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It's not so much again, it's not about the fight.

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It's to see how he takes care of his business.

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That's shocked from giosof who's a matchroom boxer. He is

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the mandatory challenger in this way, you know, for the

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winner of the main event. He's been waiting. He stepped

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aside from the mandatory against Danionis to allow this fight

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to take place. So he's gonna stay busy on the undercard.

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Uh in a ten rounder and he is supposed to

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get the winner of the fight. Now we'll see what

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happens with that. You know, that goes if Andis is

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the winner, and maybe they can try to make some

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other unification fight. Same goes for Stanionis. Maybe the look

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to step aside again, maybe if Boots is the winner,

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very good chance he moves up to one hundred and

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forty seven. I'm not so sure if Stanionis.

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Speaker 4: Is gonna and fifty four four exactly, So you're not sure.

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Speaker 3: The point is Giosova is positioned, whether it's the winner

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or a vacant title or whatever, but he's it's important,

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right And look, you know, Gisov has not been the

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most impressive as a pro. He was an Olympian, Olympic

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medal winner. He comes with a lot of credentials. I

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actually was ringside when he fought his last fight. There

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was in August, or maybe it was his last fight,

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but it was a recent fight when he fought on

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the on the UH on the Crawford magim Off part.

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h on the boardwalk. They did the fight, remember they

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did that three fights in California, right in the Santa

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Monic appear and and I was like, really, frankly kind

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of unimpressed with his performance. It was really not impressive.

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So it's hard for me to project him as like

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a serious title challenger at this moment in time. But

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you know he's in position. He's sixteen to zero and

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this is I just looked this up while we were

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doing this, and that was his last fight against Miguel

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Para that night on the boardwalk, So he's coming off

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not a long, long laugh, but you know, back.

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Speaker 1: In that nine months, right.

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Speaker 3: But I do appreciate the fact that, you know, for

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business reasons, he decided let's let this main event go

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forth so we can have the unification, and that would

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be good for him because if he can fight for

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the unified title in his ex fight, that's the chance

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to pick up two belts in one night and not

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have to go one by one by one by one

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if you want to be undisputed.

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Speaker 2: And I have one more footnote to what you were

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just saying, and we'll talk more about this in the

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aftermath with what happens. I will be consistent that if

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Jeron Innis moves up to junior middleweight, not wanting to

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do the deal with Virgil Ortiz, oh, this deal is

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supposed to be at welterweight, it's not supposed to be

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at junior middleweight, and he's gonna turn run around after

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one fight and then move up to junior middleweight anyway,

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then remember, all of that back and forth is seemingly

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died down.

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Speaker 1: We haven't talked about all of that.

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Speaker 2: If if he is sincere in wanting to unify the

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titles and being undisputed and staying at WELTERWEIGHTE fine, But

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we should be ready to pounce mister Rayphield. We should

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be ready to pounce on if he's going to immediately

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move up to one fifty four and try to have fights,

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then what was all of that about last.

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Speaker 3: Summer and what that was all about? I mean, I

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don't totally disagree with you. I'm just not as I'm

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let's say, if we were politicians and we were either

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on the right or the left, you're more to the

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far of the side. I'm a little more moderate on

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whatever side we're on. So I understand what you're saying,

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But you say, what was it all about? It was

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all about getting at least one unification fight. I thought

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Boots made a really intelligent point to me when I

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interviewed him and we talked.

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Speaker 1: I heard his explanation.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna just espous to the crowd here in

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case they didn't hear this exact comment. He won the

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interim IBF title, he never won the title in the ring.

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He acknowledge that because it wasn't his fault. Terrence Crawford

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was moving up after becoming undisputed and they gave him

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the belt when you know he was intermined. That's the

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way the business works. So he was very excited about

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the fact that he could go into the ring with

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a reigning champion granted of the WBA, and if he

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gets the victory, they'll say and the new and raise

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his hand and they'll get a new title. That to

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him is like the moment he's been waiting for that

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he never got as the IBF champion. So you say,

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what's it all for? What it's all for is to

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create some type of line on your resume, some type

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of legacy element about being a unified champion, which is

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still hard to do in boxing. If it was easy,

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everybody would do it. Now, is hen have the ability

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in terms of the business to make the fights for

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undisputedes his body going to allow him to king you

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to make one hundred and forty seven pounds. That's to

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be answered. So I'm not going to be mad if

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he goes up. The whole purpose was do a unification

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and then assess the situation after that, and we'll see,

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I don't I mean, maybe they'll go back to the

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Brian Norman situation. I don't see the Barrios fight happening

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anytime soon. So he may also be listening to what

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what Turkey al she has been uh saying, which if

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he can pull it off, would be tremendous. Is let

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him unify the title if tia Fimo Lopez wins on

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May second, and the Times Square card for Tiafimo to

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go up and challenge him at welterweight, So maybe fight

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one more fight at welterweight. It just wouldn't be a

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unification fight. But there's nothing wrong with the welterweight.

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Speaker 1: Cham There'll be a lot more money in that fight too, the.

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Speaker 3: Welterweight champion against you know, look, this this fight is

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for the ring title to un defeated champions, so they'll

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be considered like the main champion in the division. So

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it's never a bad thing if the if the real

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welterweight champ fights the real junior welterweight champ. I mean

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that's a good fight unification or otherwise. So one step

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at a time. But I'm not gonna pounce on him

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if he doesn't stick around in the weight class or

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he does some other non unification because he couldn't get

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the unification.

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Speaker 2: Uh And by the way, you're being very optimistic because

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Turkey al she was furious because they had an agreement

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for him to fight Virgil Ortiz on the card, and

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Jeron Inness tried to pull a fast one and say,

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oh no, no, wait a minute, Well.

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Speaker 3: I've never gotten any indication that that Turkey was angry.

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Speaker 2: Sent the agreed. Well, they sent the agreement to in

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US and that's when the problem was. After that, I remember,

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I remember us living getting all of that. So let's

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see what he does. Let's see what he does. Let's

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see if he stays at welterwaite and it's a non issue.

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Speaker 3: And also as far as stanionis, I don't think he's

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made it clear like if he's going to just if

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he wants to go up to fifty four. Here's the

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main thing. Whoever is the winner, frankly, and whoever the

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loser is. There's a lot of opportunities. Of course, fights

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because fifty four has become sneaky, like one of the

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more loaded weight classes in the in the sport.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, And this has been an electric fighter in the past.

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Speaker 2: And maybe you made a good point a few minutes

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ago that he's fought down to the level of competition

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and he's going to rise to the occasion here and

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look tremendous.

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Speaker 1: And then there's all kinds of options.

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Speaker 3: As we know, he's just got a bit more versatility

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than Stanielonis. He can do more things better than Stanielis can.

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But stanielis Is is a dog. I mean, he's a

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good amateur in the Olympics. He's got a good chin,

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as you like.

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Speaker 1: To say, a real guy. He's a real guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got all right news and that includes Keishaan Davis,

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who is going to be back. Let's hear it for activity,

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although we're gonna have to say something about the opponent

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in a second.

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Speaker 1: If this is the opponent, he is due to be.

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Speaker 2: Back in the top ranked main event, back in his

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hometown of Norfolk, Virginia, and he just fought recently in

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a defense, so stay active.

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Speaker 1: We like that.

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Speaker 2: But the name is Edwin Delos Santos, Rayphiel Is that

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not the name that I remember from the Absolute snooze

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fest with Shakur Stevenson. Yes, they're the same, that's the

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same name. So this will be that's the name. Go ahead, Yeah,

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this will be this. This will be his first defense.

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He didn't you know he won the title back in February.

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He looked great, just destroying Denny's Brentchik, who was undefeated,

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who was an Olympic silver medal winner, part of that

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00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,279
vaunted team with Usik and Lomachenko and Vodzick, and he

474
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,759
just destroyed him in four rounds. Won the won the

475
00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:00,720
the WBO title and all the law. There was always

476
00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,079
sort of thought, if he wins, we're going to be

477
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,759
bringing back as quickly as possible, which meant sometime in

478
00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:06,279
the early part of the summer. And so that's what's

479
00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,440
gonna happen. He's gonna go back to Norfolk. Remember the

480
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,759
fight before he won the title. He fought the final

481
00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,839
doubt before the title shot in Norfolk. That was his

482
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,119
first professional fight in his hometown and he pummeled Gustavo Lamos,

483
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,440
who was considered like a dangerous opponent. He had come

484
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,319
in way overweight. Lemos and Kishan went through with the

485
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,720
fight and blew him away in two rounds. It was

486
00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:28,720
a huge celebration Kishan's brother, his older brother Kelvin and

487
00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:31,559
his younger brother Keon. We're both on the show. Keon

488
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,440
was turning professional by the way, when they do this

489
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,279
fight June seventh, that he's going to be on in Norfolk.

490
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,799
The two brothers will once again be on the show.

491
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,319
Good possibility that Abdullah Mason will be on the card

492
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,519
as well. But in any event, look Edwin de los

493
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:49,160
Santos put on one of the worst fights in the

494
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,400
history of boxing. Frankly, I mean it was and you know,

495
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,480
Shakor takes part of the blane, but Kishan was the

496
00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:56,720
winner of the fight. He did what he had to

497
00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:58,559
do and he also not making excuses for him, but

498
00:21:58,599 --> 00:22:01,799
he was injured in that he came and he came

499
00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:04,519
through when he won the fight. But he set the

500
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,440
first of all. Edwin de los Santos has not fought

501
00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:09,960
since that fight. So that was back what the end

502
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,799
of twenty twenty three, I want to say, and so

503
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,359
it's gonna have been a you know.

504
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: Pretty correct November of twenty.

505
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,519
Speaker 4: Three, a pretty good layoff for him. TJ.

506
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,319
Speaker 3: This is hard to do. He set the all a

507
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,000
copy Box has tracked fights for almost forty years, right,

508
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:32,680
They have literally tracked I would have tens of thousands

509
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,279
of fights in the history of their company, certainly many

510
00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:39,400
many thousands of fights, many many thousands of fights, and

511
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,759
in any weight class in a twelve round fight, We're

512
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:44,640
not talking about four riders, talking about twelve round fight

513
00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:47,759
in every single twelve round fight they have ever tracked.

514
00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:51,000
In that fight against you, of course, Stevenson, he landed

515
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,240
the lowest number of punches in the history of CompuBox. Now,

516
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,359
how hard that is to do?

517
00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:58,759
Speaker 1: Never never what you want to be known for exactly.

518
00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean, what's that to me? That's like the ultimate

519
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,839
of like ignominy. I mean that was absolutely horrendous, like

520
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,039
you can't and it was like such a sleep inducing fight.

521
00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:12,799
I mean, he deserved every bit of derision that he

522
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,680
got because it was like he didn't even try to

523
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,680
win the fight. He landed forty punches in twelve rounds,

524
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,759
the only thing that got him off the hook. And

525
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,079
this is shocking because, like I said, Copybox's been doing

526
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,279
fights for almost forty years. It was like thirty eight

527
00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:27,839
years at the time that this fight took place, it

528
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,680
was like three weeks after he set the record of

529
00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:34,599
landing forty punches in a twelve round fight that Regis

530
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,200
Progra broke the record and is even a worst performance

531
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,680
when he lost the WBC one hundred and forty pound

532
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,960
title to Regis Progra by going through a twelve round

533
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,799
snooze fest where he only landed thirty six punches in.

534
00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: Twelve Devin Haney right against Devin Hanny. Right?

535
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:50,839
Speaker 4: What did I say?

536
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,759
Speaker 2: You said, Progra against Progra, Devin Han Yeah, he landed

537
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:56,680
thirty six punches. But anyway, Dello Santos has it fought

538
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,319
for practically a year and a half and he's now

539
00:23:58,319 --> 00:23:59,119
going to be the opponent.

540
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: And when we went with this, problems is set up.

541
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,279
Speaker 2: This is set up for Keishawn Davis to knock him

542
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:05,000
over in Norfolk, in his hometown.

543
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: That's what this is set up for.

544
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,279
Speaker 3: Now n Here here's the reality, though, I mean, I

545
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:10,680
don't I'm not arguing that that he's probably gonna knock

546
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,440
him out. But the thing about it is, if you

547
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,160
look down the rankings of any of the organizations or

548
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:19,480
non partisan rankings, whatever you say, there's a lot of

549
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:21,440
good talent in the one hundred and thirty five pound

550
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,440
way class, but there's nobody that's really available for him

551
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,160
to fight, you know what I mean, Like, Okay, I'll

552
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,920
give you an example. Like the other team is Keisha.

553
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,759
I mean, we're gonna get to Schart. He's got other

554
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,759
stuff going on with a mandatory. You got Lomachenko's on

555
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:36,400
the shelf with an injury. Gervante Davis is fighting the

556
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,400
rematch with Roach. Zepeida is ordered to fight against Shakhor.

557
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,359
And if you go and take a look at any

558
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,240
of the other rannings, look at box Wreck. You know,

559
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,400
they were looking at guys like Miguel Burchelt against Jason

560
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,000
Pauldo against Luca's body, like you can call you up,

561
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,119
but those are the guys that are there. So Stelos Santos,

562
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,400
as horrible as that fight.

563
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,079
Speaker 2: Was, body body might be more intriguing the Delas Santos,

564
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,079
But again, that's a top rank that's a top rank fighter.

565
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: Della Santos that they can make.

566
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,599
Speaker 4: Is not a top rank fighters with Samson Lukwitz.

567
00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:05,599
Speaker 1: Okay, well there you go.

568
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,799
Speaker 4: So the body actually is with MVP with Jake Pauls

569
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,359
that's right.

570
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,759
Speaker 1: That might be a more interesting fight.

571
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,079
Speaker 2: But anyway, but it's like like one half a dozen

572
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:15,519
of the other looks like the first weekend in June

573
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:16,880
will get Keshawn Davis back.

574
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: Let's hear it practice.

575
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:19,559
Speaker 3: It's just for the record. It's not one hundred percent,

576
00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:21,880
but it's gonna get done, and that.

577
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,759
Speaker 2: Means that we will see him again before the end

578
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:25,759
of this year. Three fights in the same year. Let's

579
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,119
hear it for that. You want to go ahead, let's

580
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,400
talk Shakur Stevenson. While you're on the lightweight subject. In

581
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,640
Williams of Paeda, there's a purse bid scheduled. What are

582
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,319
you hearing? The WBC wants this to happen?

583
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: What are you hearing? Just real quick?

584
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 3: Well, I mean before they both had different injuries for

585
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:42,880
you know that that that it had been ordered before,

586
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,759
and then both guys had their own physical issues that

587
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,880
caused it not to happen. And so when Shaquor was

588
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,599
taking care of his UH he had had a surgery

589
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:52,359
on his wrist.

590
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:53,039
Speaker 1: UH.

591
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:56,039
Speaker 3: They ended up having the interim title fight for Zapeida.

592
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,079
He had to remember he had the fight against Keevin Farmer.

593
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,400
He won the belt, close fight, they did the rematch,

594
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,119
won that fight that was just like a week or

595
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,440
two ago. And now finally so they he threw his stuff. Yeah,

596
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,160
Chaquor did the fight against the late replacement in Saudi Arabia.

597
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:16,240
So now finally Pathley Jush Padley, who've got a house,

598
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,680
I guess for part of his payment. So yeah, So

599
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,559
the WBC did what they're supposed to do and what

600
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,359
they said they would do, which is just this week

601
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:27,200
they sent out the formal notification to both Shaquor and

602
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:28,039
Zepaida's teams.

603
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:28,799
Speaker 4: Hakor is with.

604
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,799
Speaker 3: Mattrium is with Golden Boy, and they ordered the fight.

605
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:33,400
They gave them thirty days to make a deal. If

606
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,079
they don't make a deal, they will have a purse bit.

607
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,559
On May sixth I had talked to Maursio Suliman about that.

608
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,440
The perse split they haven't determined because these paid people

609
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,640
have asked for a modification that'll be considered by the

610
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:50,279
WBC's board of Governors. But regardless, that fight seems to

611
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:52,240
be the next one up for both guys. What I

612
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,359
thought was interesting is I saw something about Eddie Hearn

613
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,839
was doing. He's been doing some interviews because he's promoting

614
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,279
the stanionis fight with Boots Ennis and one of the

615
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,240
things that he said, and I don't remember which channel

616
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,680
it was, so I forgive me for not giving him

617
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,680
the credit. One of the maybe one of the YouTube

618
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:08,359
channels talking about and this is not a surprise because

619
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,200
they've already talked about this before. There's a very good

620
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,559
likelihood that there's supposed to be another five versus five

621
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:16,799
that might be Mats Rooms fighters against Golden Boys fighters.

622
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,519
And if that is the case, possibly that it would

623
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,519
be chakor versus the Data that would headline, all right,

624
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:24,599
five between those companies, So that would be interesting.

625
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: Sign me up if that's the fight.

626
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 4: But that's a really fascinating show.

627
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: Just because there's the purse bid and the ordering and

628
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,880
all of that doesn't mean that it's going to be next.

629
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,960
We've learned that. So let's see if that one comes

630
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,000
to fruition. Because if they're both healthy, If they're both healthy,

631
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:40,839
that's an intriguing fight.

632
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: Will this as long as unless somebody vacates or it

633
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,519
gets injured, this will be the next fight for these

634
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:48,480
two guys, all right.

635
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:50,039
Speaker 1: Let's see it on that.

636
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: Speaking of the WBC the news earlier this week that

637
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:57,759
Dmitri Bivol notified them he's vacating their light heavyweight title

638
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,279
and instead wants to fight Arthur Better BF for a

639
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:04,720
third time. This means David Benevitez will be elevated to

640
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,160
that elevated Yeah, he's elevated. So but he didn't have

641
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:09,880
he didn't have the big time fight that he's been

642
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,160
angling for for the last year since moving up to

643
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,920
light heavyweight. All right, so what is to you what

644
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,279
does all of this mean? Because I have a theory.

645
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,920
I already already expoused this theory on the bet Us Show.

646
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,279
But tell me what you think it means, and then

647
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:21,839
I will weigh in.

648
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 4: Go listen.

649
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: I think that this was a case where you can't

650
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,240
fight two guys at once, and so Dimitian Bievol had

651
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,920
the opportunity against better BV.

652
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:30,759
Speaker 4: He lost.

653
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: He got the immediate rematch, which was something he really

654
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,839
you know, they had a they wrote to the organizations.

655
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400
They really made a strong case for it. Turkey was

656
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:40,920
endorsing of it. He actually thought that people won the fight.

657
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,240
He said so afterwards. Anyway, he got the rematch, and

658
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,559
then he won the rematch and he became the undisputed champion.

659
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,960
And so he's doing what is not unexpected. I this

660
00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:52,839
is exactly the scenario that I had anticipated, that they

661
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:57,079
had a commitment to do a third fight contractually morally,

662
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:58,640
however you want to look at it. Turkey's paying him

663
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,279
a lot of money to do the fight. Or B

664
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:02,599
gave him the rematch, he's gonna do the same. They're

665
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,559
gonna have the trilogy fight. Better B is not getting

666
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,680
any younger, and so that's still a big fight. It's

667
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,519
there's still the two best.

668
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: Like, hang on, I got a backup a step.

669
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: You said contractually and then you said morally, which morally

670
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:14,920
in the world.

671
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,039
Speaker 1: Of boxing doesn't mean anything.

672
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: Hold on, there was not a contractual you have to

673
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,599
fight better bv right as a third fight.

674
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,759
Speaker 3: I've been told that there was some type of contract

675
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,680
complication that it was like the option of the Saudis

676
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,920
to do so apparently they were are going to do that.

677
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,160
I think that's the case. But the main thing is

678
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,920
there is not Now. Look, you said honor and boxing.

679
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,759
Speaker 4: You know you can.

680
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: Morality right, but but here's the point though, A it's

681
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,319
still the right thing to do and be there are

682
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,000
some people that do take that seriously. People I think

683
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,039
as a sports person is one of those people. Clearly

684
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,519
him and if you know, if you know like v

685
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,240
Dem Kornilov who has been his manager as an career,

686
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,200
and then there's plenty of other fighters. He's a person.

687
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,480
In my experience, I have known that Deem twenty years.

688
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,039
Probably like he stands on the principle if that makes sense,

689
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:10,160
like like he's not the kind of guy that's just gonna,

690
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000
you know, fuck somebody just because he can. So I

691
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:14,880
think they just felt strongly they need to do the

692
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,279
fight now. But that said, it's still a top notch fight.

693
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200
There's still two pound for pound elite guys. Better BV

694
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:22,240
is not getting younger.

695
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure that better BV is still a

696
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,079
pound for pound elite guy. After watching that second fight,

697
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:29,240
because he's forty, he didn't look great.

698
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: It was like a one point fight.

699
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,039
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I saw. He didn't look great.

700
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: I don't care about the scoring because the scoring can

701
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,400
be explained away, and he gets explained away all the

702
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,119
time that these judges are clueless. He didn't look great

703
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,880
in that fight. He is forty. I don't know how elite.

704
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,079
I wouldn't use the word elite anything.

705
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: But you can say it like this though in a

706
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,960
short period of time they are legit one in one

707
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,960
for the ultimate prize and division.

708
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,519
Speaker 2: I can further say I'm much more interested in the

709
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:58,839
Benavitez fight, younger, faster.

710
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: Okay, don't take me don't don't get me wrong. I

711
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,359
agree with you. If you said Rayfaiel or TJ or

712
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,240
both of us. You know we're the committee and you

713
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,319
can decide which fight you and I would be yunanus,

714
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:10,680
we boast do nothing to see better be a. I

715
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,799
mean to see Bevo and David Benavitez next, But you

716
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,359
can't get mad about a third fight that that's at

717
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:17,880
that level.

718
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: You just you know what I mean.

719
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: So I I mean, I've seen all the Looney tunes

720
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,880
calling this outright duck, and I just don't buy that

721
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,400
because Dmitri BiVO has.

722
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:28,319
Speaker 1: No duck would imply that he doesn't want to fight

723
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:29,119
him at all, and I.

724
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:30,119
Speaker 4: Don't, which I don't believe.

725
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case exactly.

726
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: So do you buy into my theory that I've floated

727
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,400
that Benavidez will go have a title defense as the

728
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,160
elevated champion and Bivol if he's successful, and I believe

729
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,119
he will be in a better be of rematch, will

730
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,119
fight him next, and it'll be for undisputed.

731
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,039
Speaker 1: Do you buy that? I kind of.

732
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,759
Speaker 3: I think that's I do think there's a good possibility

733
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,200
that he might fight him next. The undisputed part, I'm

734
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,079
a little bit fuzzy on when I say that, because

735
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,119
even though the WBC was ordered and now Benavidez is elevated,

736
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,000
they really weren't the next ones in line. The WBC

737
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:03,680
kind of cut the line in front of the IBF.

738
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:07,680
We I mean, look, I'm not saying that the IBF

739
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,920
mandatory is Michael Eeiffer. I'm not saying that I'm going

740
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,759
to advocate that he should get the title shot. But

741
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:14,240
the rules are the rules, so if you're gonna got

742
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,119
to live and die by them. So anyway, if my

743
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,680
only caveat is it might not be undisputed, they still

744
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,240
might do the fight. The other thing about it is this,

745
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,519
and this has sort of been lost in this whole conversation,

746
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,960
not just between you and me, but in the boxing

747
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,640
twitter sphere in the first place, David ben Aviez is

748
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,720
coming back to fight this summer. From everything I am

749
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,519
told by everybody involved with Dimitri people, he's not going

750
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,319
to be available to fight this summer. He's dealing with

751
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,519
some injuries and is not going to be ready to

752
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:44,039
till the fall fight with better BF. They're going to

753
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,440
probably do the match sometime in October, around the beginning

754
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,319
of the read Season festival for the next one, so

755
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,400
he would not be available to fight David July August.

756
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,640
So David doesn't want to sit around and not do anything.

757
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,680
So that was one of the reasons why I never

758
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,880
believe this was gonna happen, because people said in the

759
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,799
ring he was dealing with some injuries. I talked to

760
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,720
his people. He is dealing again. It's nothing like major

761
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:09,480
it's not going to end his career, but he's not

762
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,839
going to be prepared to go back into a tough

763
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,519
training camp to be ready to fight, you know, July

764
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,480
August whatever. It's simple as that from a physical standpoint.

765
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,720
So it is what it is. I mean, belts get stripped,

766
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,319
belts get vacated all the time. I think the way

767
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:28,880
that the WBC when they announced it, you know, Mauricio Suliman. Look,

768
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,000
I'm not gonna dog him about it, but the way

769
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:36,440
that he posted on social media about the title being vacated.

770
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,839
He referenced the letter that that Dimitri's attorney, Patrick English

771
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,400
wrote to the WBC, and he called it cold and impersonal,

772
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,839
Like I feel like Mauricio took it a little bit

773
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,519
personal when it's business, you know what I mean. And

774
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,920
I can appreciate his emotion. I appreciate his passion, but

775
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,759
I feel like it was a little bit slightly misplaced

776
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880
in the end. Ben A VID's can at least say,

777
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,799
you know what, I was the number one guy for

778
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,960
a long time at super middleweight. Canello wouldn't fight me.

779
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:10,039
Now I'm the guy at light heavyweight, and Bevo wouldn't

780
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,679
fight me at least for the time being. And he

781
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,719
does have that. And meanwhile, he'll go about his career.

782
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,159
He'll make great matchups. He'll look awesome. In the fight

783
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,159
against David Morel was a terrific fight, and that's what

784
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,360
I expect. And we'll see him back sometime this summer.

785
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,079
Maybe he'll be fighting against Anthony Yard, maybe he'll be

786
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:28,840
fighting against Callum Smith, maybe somebody else. But David's got

787
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,320
business to do and I do hope that down the road,

788
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,159
the guy that wins the fight fights. David Benavidez as

789
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,320
Samson Lukowitz, who is David's promoter, said to me, where

790
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,880
one phone call away. You guys go do your business,

791
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,800
and whoever wins give me a call.

792
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: All right.

793
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: A couple of other things. Sad news that Hall of

794
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,880
Fame trainer Kenny Adams passed away earlier this week at

795
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,960
the age of eighty four. Tell me more about this

796
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,920
because he was obviously part of the massive nineteen eighty

797
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,840
four Olympic team, but much more with that, so go ahead, Dan.

798
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kenny was a cool guy. I mean Kenny he

799
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:08,719
always acted a lot younger than he was. I mean

800
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,599
he died this week. He was eighty four years old.

801
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:16,079
Awesome trainer, good guy. I knew Kenny for many many years.

802
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,719
Always got on great with him, good with the stories.

803
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,960
But you know, you know, cool I call him. He

804
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,280
was like the cool cat, right comes with the backward

805
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,159
baseball hat or the hat you know he's wearing the earring.

806
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,239
Just a just a cool guy in that respect, very

807
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,880
very easy going in that sense, which was opposite of

808
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,880
way he dealt with the fighters because he was known

809
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,679
because his background he's a Vietnam veteran, was in the

810
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,039
Army for years, and you know, was a very disciplinary,

811
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,440
disciplinarian type of coach, not wouldn't be considered like in parlance,

812
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,639
a player's coach, if you know what I mean. Kenny

813
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,599
was the guy like, you come in my gym, you

814
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,800
ne fucking things my way or the highway. And it

815
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,440
worked with a lot of guys because he trained like

816
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,760
twenty five twenty six world champions. First made his no,

817
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:02,840
you know, well he was in the on the army.

818
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,559
He trained the Army boxing team. After he was out

819
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:10,039
of the service, but he became the assistant coach or

820
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,079
one of the assistant coaches for the incredible nineteen eighty

821
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:18,000
four United States Olympic team that won eleven medals. Yeah,

822
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:20,159
oh my god, that had you know, that was a

823
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,400
Vander Holyfield, Pernel Whittaker, Meldrick Taylor, Tyrrell Biggs, Mark Briel,

824
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,719
and Virgil Hill. Just an awesome team. So he was

825
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,440
the assistant coach on that team eleven medals, nine gold.

826
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,639
Then he was elevated and promoted to become the head coach,

827
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,039
first black head coach of Team USA boxing team for

828
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,239
the nineteen eighty eight Olympics who won eight medals, three

829
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,039
goals and had I don't know you might have heard

830
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:46,079
of these guys, TJ. Roy Jones, Riddick Bow, Ray Mercer, Kenny,

831
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,079
Michael Carperhall, like everybody had just mentioned made the Hall

832
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:51,239
of Fame except Ray Mercer. And even though he didn't

833
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,480
make the Hall of Fame, Ray Mercer was a hell

834
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,760
of a heavyweight in his day. And so the way

835
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,679
the story goes is after the eighty eight Olympics were

836
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:01,760
over and top rank with Bob Aram, they had signed,

837
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,599
you know, Michael Carball and they were working with some

838
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,800
other guys in the Olympic team as well, and Bob

839
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,760
Aram spoke to Kenny and knew what the sort of

840
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,000
the relationships he had with the amateurs and said, you know,

841
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,920
you should consider maybe becoming a pro coach, and he

842
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,639
kind of liked that idea. And I think Bob's position was,

843
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:20,119
you know, that will help us sign some of these

844
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,480
guys because you know, we have a great relationship with Kenny,

845
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,880
and Kenny sort of liked the idea, and so in

846
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,079
nineteen eighty nine he relocated to Las Vegas and began

847
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,440
to train professional fighters and had all the stuff I

848
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,480
just mentioned you about what he did as an amateur

849
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:37,280
coach was would be enough to be considered, you know,

850
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,480
a top boxing person. But as a professional coach he

851
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,519
became one of the top trainers in the game.

852
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: Now, in.

853
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,079
Speaker 3: His first ever world title, his first world champion. This

854
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,679
is nineteen eighty nine. He was training a fighter named

855
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,559
Renee Jacquot who won the WBC Junior middleweight title huge

856
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,119
upset on a decision over Donald Curry. The Ring magazine

857
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,639
picked it as the upset Year. But that was like,

858
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,480
that was one that was one of those fights a

859
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,239
lot of people kind of forget about if you think

860
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,519
about the guys he trained as a pro. I mean,

861
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:08,880
I'm gonna I've got a list right here in front

862
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,440
of me. I'm gonna run down a few guys. Some

863
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,199
of them were guys who was familiar with from working

864
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,239
with as the amateur coach. Ray Mercer, Kenny and McKinney

865
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,159
in particular, Kenny McKinnie, you know, won a world title.

866
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: Was a hell of a fighter.

867
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: Ray mer Memphis, Tennessee.

868
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:21,599
Speaker 4: Yes here you go.

869
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: Ray was the WBO champion, even though at the time

870
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,679
nobody considered the WBO to be that legit. How about

871
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:34,320
these guys Chico Corrales, Johnny Mike McCallum, Freddy Norwood, Vince Phillips, Donido, Donair,

872
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,280
Edwin Valero, Frankie Lyles, Michael Nunn, Jorge Lenaris, al Cole,

873
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:41,559
Charles Murray, Eddie Cook, Samuel Peter for a short period

874
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:43,760
of time with Terrence Crawford. This was a guy who

875
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,480
trained everybody. So my my personal interactions with with with him,

876
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,920
I can still remember I covered a fight in New

877
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,760
Orleans back early in my days at USA today. The

878
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,159
main event was Roy Jones was defending the light heavyweight

879
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:02,639
title against Eric Harting and and uh and he had

880
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:05,800
Freddie Norwood, who at the time was the WBA featherweight

881
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,159
champion on the undercart. And Freddie was the biggest pain

882
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,280
in the ass of all time. He was just an

883
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,920
outright criminal in and out of you know, jail, and

884
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:18,679
just a nasty motherfucker, like you know, terrible individual, and

885
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:20,880
didn't make the weight for that fight, got stripped to

886
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,119
the title, ended up ended up losing to Derek Gainer

887
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,480
on that on that night. Uh, just you know, just

888
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,920
I just remember like that, that's that the pandemonium he

889
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,280
caused that whole week and just being a real prick.

890
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,679
And I went over to Kenny at one point and

891
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,679
I was like, Kenny, what's up with this guy? And Kenny,

892
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,519
like you know, had the he had his glass on.

893
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:42,440
He kind of looked down and peered, I'm looking at

894
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,679
I'm doing the imitation. He like peered over the glass

895
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:46,440
and now I'm like a foot taller than Kenny, right,

896
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:48,559
so he peers, but he's looking up at me and

897
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,280
he just shakes his head. He goes, what the fuck

898
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,480
do you want from me? Like like that's.

899
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,159
Speaker 1: What was letting you know. I know, you know, and

900
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,280
I know and you know that I know now.

901
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: So he was dealing with like a ludic the fact

902
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,920
that he was able to get Freddie as far as

903
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,400
he got him.

904
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,519
Speaker 4: I like it kind of a miracle. But yeah, so yeah,

905
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:04,920
I was.

906
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 3: I was sad to see that he was, Uh, he

907
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,760
was just a good dude and wrote like what people say,

908
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:11,400
a box a real boxing guy.

909
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: And and by the way, you do such a tremendous job.

910
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,679
Let me prop you whenever you write about these guys

911
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,960
in their passing or as you just did for the

912
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,280
last two or three minutes, because for a great many

913
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,800
of people, they don't know that name, and they should

914
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,159
know that name for what you just shared. And this

915
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,159
is why the nostalgia is great on our podcasts with

916
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,000
everything that you that you went over.

917
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Let's it's all say.

918
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: This though, a lot of people did know about him

919
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,119
because if for no other reason, he did get elected

920
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:41,320
to the and inducted last year into the International Boxing

921
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,519
All the Fame. And I'll say this one or thing

922
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:43,440
before we move on to this.

923
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: How just curiousity, how long had you been voting for him?

924
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: Because I was just gonna say he had been on

925
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:50,000
the ballot for a number of years. I had consistently

926
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,880
voted him for him in the in the non participant category.

927
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:55,880
I couldn't tell the exact number of years, but a

928
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,159
long time. And so I was really actually thrilled when

929
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,000
he did get elected last year.

930
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 4: You know, he was eighty three, eighty four. You don't

931
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,199
have much, that's right.

932
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: And I'm always of the opinion, if you're gonna put

933
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,199
these guys in the Hall of Fame, at least let

934
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,960
them be alive to go and enjoy the actulation. Take

935
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,440
their families there, be with their friends, be with their

936
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,000
old boxing people, and take it all in because it's

937
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,320
such a beautiful honor. So I was glad at the

938
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,320
very least that Kenny was alive still to see the

939
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,800
day because House, how much would that suck if he

940
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,599
got elected this year died? And now the inductions are

941
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:29,239
coming up in a couple of months in June, you know,

942
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:29,800
in a few months.

943
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: Ye, So, but rip for Kenny Adams and USA Boxing.

944
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,119
Then later on with a lot that was quite a

945
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:41,719
list of big time fighters and championship fighters, one more

946
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,320
nugget than some nostalgia. Most Valuable Promotions MVP has the

947
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,519
Katie Taylor Amanda Serrano trilogy fight coming up, and they

948
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:56,039
have now signed several more prominent weinbers fighters and they've

949
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,920
added them to this card, several of them to this car.

950
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: So go ahead real quick.

951
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,119
Speaker 3: So you know, we talked, I think we talked about

952
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,559
it on the show. Recently, they had signed Lisa Bombgarner,

953
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,559
who was the undisputed junior lightweight world champion. They announced

954
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:12,039
that and they announced she's fighting a fighter named Jennifer Miranda,

955
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,639
and so, as it turns out, she also was one

956
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:16,800
of the ones that was announced this week as a signing.

957
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,079
But before they got to Miranda, it was not that

958
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,880
long between the time they announced the bomb Gardner's signing

959
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,639
and then the ones they did this week, they also

960
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:26,360
would announced that they had signed a bunch of other

961
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,280
female boxers. Tina Thorisland who was the Unified A Women's

962
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,400
bandamweight champion, ram La Ali who was an olympian who's

963
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,840
got some notar riders. She had been with Mattroom. They

964
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,480
signed her. She was a free agent. They signed a

965
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,599
couple of prospect types, so okay, they just signed bomb

966
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:43,960
Garner plus these other handful of fighters, five other women.

967
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,599
So now this week, earlier this week, they went to

968
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:48,719
New York City and they did the press conference, like

969
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,800
the kickoff press commence first Serrano and Taylor's third fight,

970
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,719
which will take place at they did the press conference

971
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,880
at Madison Square Garden. The fight will be at the

972
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,320
garden where they had their first fight, will take place

973
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,719
on July eleventh on Netflix, and it's going to be

974
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,360
an all women's card. And so they announced not only

975
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,159
do they have the two main event fighters there to

976
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,519
do their thing, but they also announced saw a bunch

977
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,199
of other signings that they did. So now, in addition

978
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,119
to the ones I mentioned, they have signed the WBO

979
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:18,039
IBF Jingior featherweight champion Elie Scottney from England. They signed

980
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:21,719
the IBF bantamweight champion, Shiretta Metcalf, They signed the WBA

981
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,280
Interim featherweight champion which I mentioned, Jennifer Miranda, and they

982
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,039
sign an undefeated woman from Nigeria named Elizabeth Ashoba, who

983
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,480
was supposed to be like a really outstanding up and

984
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:34,719
comer in women's boxing. So a bunch of those fighters

985
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,800
are going to be on the card. You're gonna see.

986
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,960
Scottney is gonna be in a three delt unification against

987
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:44,719
EMF Mercado from Mexico. That's actually like, I'm the women's

988
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,920
boxing connoisseur where I know everything about women's boxing, but

989
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:49,599
when I saw that was a fight.

990
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: On paper, on paper, that was.

991
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: That was a good That was a good fight. And

992
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,039
then Thorsland, who they signed who has been an excellent

993
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:58,480
female boxer for a long time out of Denmark but

994
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:00,840
doesn't really get a lot of attention in America, but

995
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,440
she's about to because she's really good. She's fighting Metcalf,

996
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,400
who's the other woman that they signed, and that's a

997
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,760
three dolt unification in the bandeweit division. So you got

998
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,199
the undisputed title at forty in the main event, which

999
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,920
is obviously the one we all know about. You got

1000
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,159
Bombgarder defending the undisputed thirty in the co feature, and

1001
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:18,639
then you got two other three dolt unifications on the undercard.

1002
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,079
I mean, it's I'm not going on a limb here

1003
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:23,599
by and I'm not trying to hype it, but it

1004
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,599
just is what it is. It's easily the biggest women's

1005
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:27,440
card in the history of.

1006
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: And look and as much as we sling arrows at

1007
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,559
Jake Paul and thank god the NCAA tournament is over

1008
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:36,719
for all of those ads on Turner for the Paul

1009
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,079
American Show with he and his brother that they've got

1010
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:44,159
on Max. That's a new reality show. He made a

1011
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:49,199
commitment that we are going to upgrade and legitimize and

1012
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,079
pay correctly women's boxing, and here you're seeing proof of that.

1013
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,039
And Amanda Serrano talked about this in and around the

1014
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:01,559
fight last summer in Tampa when the Tyson fight didn't happen,

1015
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,920
that this would be coming, that the developmental part of

1016
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,159
it and women getting the bigger opportunities would be coming.

1017
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,280
And now you're seeing it a year later with all

1018
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,559
these signings and with this fighting. Again, they're not paying

1019
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:14,920
us to say this, it's just rather obvious with what

1020
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,360
they're doing.

1021
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: They followed through. We're signing all these fighters.

1022
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,559
Speaker 3: I don't know if all of them are going to

1023
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:21,719
pan out to what they think. You know, these are

1024
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,440
the ones who are there.

1025
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: But isn't it fair to say this is going to

1026
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,280
be the biggest stage for many of them and the

1027
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,800
most money they've made. And that is that is following

1028
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,440
through for Nikisa Baderian and MVP and Jake Paul and

1029
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,320
Amanda Serrano. They followed through with what they've been talking about.

1030
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 4: That's all I'm with.

1031
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:36,679
Speaker 3: They signed some of the best women out there, and

1032
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,719
I'll tell you uh to me, I mean, Bombgarner's a

1033
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,800
well known fighter. We all knew she was a free agent.

1034
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,199
They've been angling this way for a while. Didn't surprising

1035
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,280
at all that they signed her. I didn't necessarily think

1036
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,679
that they were going to go a whole hog, so

1037
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,679
to speak, and sign up all these other rights women,

1038
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,480
especially you're going to go to Europe and get a

1039
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:55,559
bunch of these ladies also. But the one that sort

1040
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,239
of jumped out to me, who's the goods in my opinion,

1041
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,760
and I've seen a bunch of fights, and that's stores line.

1042
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,679
She can really fucking fight. There, I go, that's impressive,

1043
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,400
and she's in and again she's in a three bill unification,

1044
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,719
which which adds to the stakes. It'd be cool to

1045
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,119
just to see her on an American card in the

1046
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:14,039
first place, much less, you know, taking on you know,

1047
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:15,320
another another champion.

1048
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: So I like that, all right, Nostalgia time. Let's go

1049
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,840
back in time to thirty three years ago on Wednesday,

1050
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,559
April the ninth, nineteen eighty eight, when Evander Holyfield on

1051
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,079
the rise. You mentioned Kenny Adams, the late Kenny Adams,

1052
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,480
who had been with Evander and USA boxing. So Evander

1053
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:36,559
now is a pro, and Evander moves up and Evander

1054
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,400
eventually here would become undisputed cruise away.

1055
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,119
Speaker 1: But he became the.

1056
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: Unified Cruise aweight champion April ninth, nineteen eighty eight against

1057
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,719
Carlos dal leone wax nostalgic please.

1058
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was the undisputed fight. Totlyfield had won the

1059
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,199
WBA title in a classic like the one of the

1060
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,719
great fifteen rounders, you know, one of the one of

1061
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,400
the last great fifteen rounders. In boxing against White Mohammed Kawi.

1062
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,679
That was a spectacular fight. And then he went about

1063
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:09,280
the project, if you will, of picking up those titles

1064
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,239
one at a time, and he had to go through

1065
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,280
you know, this is the three belt the era. Like

1066
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,480
I said, he won the fight, the epic fight against

1067
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,639
Kawie that was in July of eight, July eighty six,

1068
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,800
a few fights late. He's fighting all these fights. After

1069
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,920
the Kawi fight, he was fighting regularly on showtime main events,

1070
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,559
was bringing along a lot of the eighty four Olympians

1071
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,239
that were his teammates. He thought, Ricky, Parky, he won

1072
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,480
the IBF titles. Now he's unified the two of them.

1073
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,719
And the last step in the process was the WBA

1074
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,440
rather the WBC title. That was against Carlos da Leon

1075
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,400
and they cook that fight on and everybody kind of

1076
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,880
knew that if he wins the fight, the anders is

1077
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,000
going to move up to heavyweight and pursue what his

1078
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,159
real dream and goal was was to be the heavyweight champion.

1079
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:50,599
And so this fight took place, as you mentioned, on

1080
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:52,400
April ninth, nineteen eighty eight. They did the fight at

1081
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,880
Caesar's Palace and Allifield looked really good. In the fight

1082
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,480
and he knocked out Carlos da Lyon, who was the underdog,

1083
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:58,920
fair enough, but he knocked Hi out in the eighth

1084
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,960
round and became the first ever undisputed cruiserweight champion. There

1085
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,480
hasn't been now granted three belt era, but if you

1086
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,199
go through the history of the cruiserweights, which was created

1087
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,440
in like what the late nineteen seventies, early nineteen eighties

1088
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,360
by the very you know, and then all the organizations

1089
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,159
ended up adopting it. Who were the other undisputed champions

1090
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:22,119
you had? You had a John O'Neil Bell became the

1091
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:26,480
undisputed champion, yet Alexander Usik became the undisputed champion, but

1092
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,800
Holyfield was the first and then moved up to heavyweight

1093
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,280
and you know, became the undisputed heavyweight champ, and that

1094
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,920
was like a pretty big deal. And so when Usik

1095
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,760
did what he did, Usik's goal from the time he

1096
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,840
turned pro, and he actually had said this to me

1097
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,880
an interview one time that his boxing idol was a

1098
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,840
Vander Holyfield. I want to be the undisputed champ like

1099
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,280
holy Field, and then I want to do what he did,

1100
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,960
which has become the undisputed heavyweight champ, but he had

1101
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,800
a little bit tougher because he had to do four belts,

1102
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,679
not three. But Holyfield is so well known for his

1103
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,280
exploits in the heavyweight division, the Riddick Bow trilogy, the

1104
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,159
Tyson fights, George Foreman fight, and many other the Lennox

1105
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,400
Lewis two fights, plenty of fights that he had that

1106
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,199
were great fights in the heavyweight division, that his history

1107
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,960
as a cruiserweight is sometimes forgotten about by a lot

1108
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,320
of people, and they don't think about the Cowie fight,

1109
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,079
and they don't think about how he ran through the

1110
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:14,400
other champions pretty easily to become undisputed. So that was

1111
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,039
something that I feel like, you know what, Evander Holyfield

1112
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,440
gets a lot of attention because of the greatness of

1113
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,760
his heavyweight part of his career, but the cruiserweight part

1114
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,320
of his career is kind of left in the dust

1115
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,079
by a lot of people. So just a little quick

1116
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:27,880
look back on that.

1117
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: And then you move forward in our nostalgia timeline to

1118
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:34,679
twenty one years ago on Thursday, as we do this

1119
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,079
Thursday into Friday, April the tenth of two thousand and four,

1120
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:43,679
this is Lamont Brewster and Vladimir Klitchko with Brewster scoring

1121
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:50,679
a shocking knockout win to get the WBO's vacant heavyweight title. Also,

1122
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,000
it was an HBO doubleheader, right, Corey Spinks and zab Judah.

1123
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:55,960
We just talked about zab Juda and the anniversary with

1124
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,599
Floyd Mayweather and the Mayhem and the ring for that

1125
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,800
fight off the weekend. Now we got another anniversary involving

1126
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,079
zab Judah. Hear from two thousand and four, and you

1127
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:07,559
were there for all of this April tenth, two thousand

1128
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:07,880
and four.

1129
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,599
Speaker 3: So Leimon Brewster was a good American heavyweight but was

1130
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:13,599
a massive underdog.

1131
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 4: You know.

1132
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,079
Speaker 3: Leiman was a cool guy and had kind of come

1133
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:20,119
up the hard way, but had really proven himself over

1134
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:23,079
the previous few fights. And he gets the opportunity to

1135
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:26,480
remember the wo title is vacant. Clitchkow had already been

1136
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:29,639
knocked out by Corey Sanders. He had won two fights

1137
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,599
post that that were non title fights, and now he's

1138
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:35,800
back into a world title fight and match him with

1139
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,440
Lemon Brewster. He's a significant underdog. It's at Mandalay Bay

1140
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,639
and now he's going to try to become a champion

1141
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:45,840
for the second time and he was beating Leiman Brewster

1142
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,039
from pillar to post, as they say, beating the living

1143
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,320
dog shit out of him for four and a half

1144
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,519
plus rounds. He couldn't lay a glove on Clitchko, and

1145
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:57,320
Clitchkow was battering the living shit out of him. And

1146
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,360
to Laman Brewster's credit, what a fucking shin he showed.

1147
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:05,320
He took everything a massive and I mean massive amount

1148
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,960
of punishment. And then for reasons that to my that

1149
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:11,559
to my knowledge, are still yet to be You're still

1150
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,440
unexplained to the most degree.

1151
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:15,559
Speaker 4: Klitchko.

1152
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,559
Speaker 3: You know, he got tagged a couple of times in

1153
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,119
uh you know, in that fifth round, but nothing that

1154
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,880
was like earth shattering. He basically just ran out of gas.

1155
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,760
He fell on the canvas gasping. I can still remember.

1156
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,360
I was sitting ringside. I'm like five feet from the ring,

1157
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,840
and he's the way he is just sort of facing

1158
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,320
the press area and he's fucking gasping for breath, Like

1159
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:37,280
what is going on?

1160
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: Like get hurt him?

1161
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: Not just he was like I think he was sort

1162
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,280
of like, what's the what is it when you hyperventilate

1163
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,880
or something like that? He just couldn't control his breathing.

1164
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,599
He just completely gassed out and he went down. I

1165
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,360
don't even think he got knocked down with an actual punch,

1166
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,679
but the referee counted would have been good if that

1167
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,320
was what happened in the Roach and h Tank Davis fight.

1168
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,320
Uh And he like literally could barely get up and

1169
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,559
the fight was over and Laman Brewster had just pulled

1170
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:08,800
off this monumental upset to win the title and it

1171
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,159
was shocking. Now, later Vladimir, who's always been a sportsman,

1172
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,960
but he was not in this particular instance, he blamed

1173
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,440
the cutman for rubbing too much grease on him, like

1174
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:19,840
it clogged up his pores or something. And you know,

1175
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,000
he was making a lot of different excuses like there

1176
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,199
was he got poisoned. I mean, it was a real

1177
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:26,920
he just had a he had he had to find

1178
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,639
an alabi to make an excuse for what happened. Now, eventually,

1179
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,960
like years, a couple of years later, he fought Brewster

1180
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,199
in a rematch. This is when Brewster's eye was messed

1181
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,079
up and he was nowhere what he once was, and

1182
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,000
he just pummeled him and got him out of the

1183
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,760
real quick to avenge the loss. But this was at

1184
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,880
the time a massively debilitating loss, because keep in mind

1185
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,559
he'd already gotten knocked the fuck out by Corey Sanders

1186
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,920
in the second round that cost him the WBO title,

1187
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,159
And that was the you know, if you remember HBO

1188
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,360
showcasing that fight, you know the comment from Larry Larry

1189
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,719
Merchant when the knock happened. He was basically saying to

1190
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,239
the like, Vladimir is done. You know, the next big

1191
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,880
thing is now the last great bust. I mean, it

1192
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,519
was the derision piled on top of him. Even his

1193
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:13,480
own brother Batally clitch Go, after he lost the Brewster fight,

1194
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,599
told him he should retire. And so I will tell

1195
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:21,960
the story about having talked to Vladimir years later before whatever.

1196
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,880
I would every time he would fight, I would do

1197
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,280
you know, interviews with him from his training camp wherever

1198
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,159
he was, and you know, in the in the in

1199
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:30,920
the Alps, somewhere in Germany and Switzerland where he was training,

1200
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,599
and we had this conversation one time. I forget what

1201
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:35,960
fight he was training for, but he's in the camp

1202
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,920
and he's telling me, like, guys, you know what he

1203
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,199
been doing. He's been watching videos to like, you know,

1204
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,840
prepare for the fights. So in my mind I'm like, okay,

1205
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,920
he's either watching his opponent or he's watching, you know,

1206
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,440
his own fights or whatever. Or sometimes guys go back

1207
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,960
and the watch guys they like to watch, you know,

1208
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,079
Sugar Ray, Leonard Mohammad, Ali, Foyd Mayweather, whoever strikes their

1209
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:58,119
fancy and so Clitcho always like, no, I'm not watching

1210
00:53:58,159 --> 00:53:59,280
any of those fights. He said, what do you mean?

1211
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,199
He says, I'm watching my loss to Leimann Brewster. I

1212
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,639
watched every training camp. I watched all the time motivation. Yeah,

1213
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:07,280
so why are you losing? Why are you watching that fight?

1214
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,079
Because he felt so bad after that fight that he

1215
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,920
was left for dead. He was on the scrap heap

1216
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,400
of the heavyweight Disney. You have to understand how low

1217
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:20,239
you couldn't be any lower the amount of hype that

1218
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,320
he had gold medalists in the Olympics, had already won

1219
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,679
a world title, but had now been stopped a couple

1220
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:28,199
of times, and now he gets stopped by Brewster in

1221
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,880
an embarrassed, frankly an embarrassing way. It wasn't like even

1222
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,119
got caught and drilled. He just fucking ran out of

1223
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,920
gas and then blamed everybody but himself or what happened.

1224
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:36,199
Speaker 4: Now.

1225
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: The one thing that was good that came of that

1226
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,719
situation is that when he lost the fight to Brewster,

1227
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,599
it was his first fight with Emmanuel Stewart as his trainer.

1228
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,239
What he didn't do was get rid of everybody. He

1229
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,599
made some changes, but he kept the manual. A lot

1230
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,039
of guys would. That didn't work out. You're gone, but

1231
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,079
they forged a relationship. He brought him back. They had

1232
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:57,159
a trust in each other. He listened, he learned, He

1233
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,400
got better defensively. More importantly, because Emmanuel was creative a

1234
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,119
trainer as he was, was even better as a psychologist.

1235
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,320
He got his mind right, and from there he went

1236
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,639
on a historic run where he didn't lose for ten

1237
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:13,559
fucking years. Because after he lost against Leiman Brewster, he

1238
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:17,000
won three fights in a row, including the Samuel Peter

1239
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:19,079
fight the first time where he got knocked down three

1240
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:21,039
times but was able to get off the deck and

1241
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:23,360
not lose this composure. He won that fight that was

1242
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,079
the eliminator. Next fight, he beats Chris Bird for the

1243
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,519
IBF title, and then he goes on the historic run

1244
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,599
and makes you know what, eighteen defenses and holds the

1245
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:33,480
title for you know nine and a half years, and

1246
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,360
you know, was in the top two or three in

1247
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,960
terms of how long he held the title, number of defenses,

1248
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,199
with guys like Larry Holmes and Joe Lewis. Ended up

1249
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:44,519
making more heavyweight title appearances than anybody who ever walked

1250
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:48,360
the face of the earth twenty nine heavyweight championship fight appearances.

1251
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:50,800
But it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the

1252
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,000
Layman Brewster fight losing, because he said, I never wanted

1253
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:56,320
to feel that way again, so I kept it with

1254
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,000
me all the time. He had in his office the

1255
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:01,159
gloves that he wore in the fight to remind him

1256
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:02,760
after the fight was over.

1257
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: That I mean, that is seriously obsessing and about the

1258
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,440
motivating part of I don't ever want to go through

1259
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:08,760
this again.

1260
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: If my memory is correct, he at some point he

1261
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,039
runs into Sam Simon, who was Leman Brewster's manager. I

1262
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:17,400
think there he was out in California. They run into

1263
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,639
each other, they speak to each other, and he and

1264
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,440
maybe it was Brewster that was with him or the

1265
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,000
manager gives him the business card, and on the business card,

1266
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,719
you know, it's his phone numbers, emailers, contact information, but

1267
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,000
the picture on the other side of the business card

1268
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,280
is a Brewster standing over Klitschkow when he's on the mat,

1269
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,480
and Clipscow didn't even take like offense. He kept the

1270
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:42,760
business card. He told me he would keep the business

1271
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,880
card in his gym bag every time he went to

1272
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,360
the gym to work out, to prepare to spar to

1273
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,480
do whatever, and that one day he was going to

1274
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:52,280
get him to sign that business card if they ever

1275
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,559
got to have a rematch, And he carried that with him,

1276
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,400
for that is tremendous.

1277
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,639
Speaker 2: That is tremendous nostalgia all off of this loss that

1278
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:01,400
we're talking about.

1279
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,039
Speaker 3: And then he did, he did beat him in the

1280
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,360
rematch in Germany. And there's a picture and I wrote

1281
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,440
about this for ESPN back several years ago, where there's

1282
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,960
a photo that he had taken that Vladimir sent me

1283
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,880
so I could use it in the piece where it's

1284
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,360
him and Brewster standing with each other and he's holding

1285
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,199
up the business card and they both have smiles. I mean,

1286
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,920
because look, they're good guys. Brewster was always a cool guy.

1287
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:26,639
Vladimir has always been a gentleman. But I've never I've

1288
00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:28,800
been doing this for such a long time, I've never

1289
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,639
heard I mean, I've heard fighters use losses as motivation

1290
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,559
a thousand times, a million times. I've never heard ever

1291
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,480
anybody that I've ever talked to who was a fighter

1292
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:45,239
talk about it with that deepness. I'm never gonna fucking

1293
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,280
forget how I felt.

1294
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch if you have the framed gloves hanging

1295
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,480
in your office or in your area, if you have

1296
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:56,079
a card with a picture of you losing, that is

1297
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:56,800
next level.

1298
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: That's two levels up.

1299
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 4: Now.

1300
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:00,519
Speaker 3: Most of the guys they'll have in their office the

1301
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:03,000
gloves where they won, the title of their robe, or

1302
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,239
their trunks or theirs whatever. He had the gloves that

1303
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,960
he lost, and he's, by the way, he's in training

1304
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,440
camp in the fucking Alps. It's like two weeks before

1305
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,679
the fight, and instead of like you know, he's watching

1306
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,800
videos of his own demise of getting knocked the fuck.

1307
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: Out and it helped him become who he became.

1308
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: That's tremendous on that, all right, real quick, Corey Spinks,

1309
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:28,079
zab Judah your ringside on the double header for that

1310
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:31,960
same night, back to April the tenth, two thousand and four, anything.

1311
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:32,719
Speaker 3: This was a hell of This was a hell of

1312
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:34,079
a double header by the way, this would be pay

1313
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,559
per view today one hundred percent. So, uh, Cory Spinks

1314
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:40,840
had defeated and what what some people thought it was

1315
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,840
an upset I was not. I didn't think it was upset.

1316
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,519
He defeated Ricardo my Orga to unify this again three

1317
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:50,079
belt era. He unified the titles to become the undisputed champion.

1318
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,840
He outboxed Ricardo my Orga. I've told the story about

1319
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,039
going on the press tour to Philadelphia on the bus

1320
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:57,519
for the press conference, sitting with Don King, and Don's

1321
00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,280
asking me, Hey, what do you think because this was

1322
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,239
one of the main fights on that card there was

1323
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:04,320
headlined by Bernard Hopkins against William Joppi, which was another

1324
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,800
undisputed title fight in the middleweight division in this particular case,

1325
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:09,400
And he's like, what do you think? I said, well,

1326
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,559
I mean, I don't know why he made the fight

1327
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:12,679
because Ray Orga was becoming a big ticket seller and

1328
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,199
a popular figure in Spinx was a really good fighter

1329
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,480
and had the name because his father was Leon Spinks

1330
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,440
his uncle was Michael Spinks, but he was not the

1331
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,719
most exciting fighter in the world anything. But frankly, I

1332
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:24,280
was like, well, Spink's gonna beat him, and I thought,

1333
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,599
Don must have turned like six shades of gray when

1334
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:28,360
I said that, And sure enough he goes and he

1335
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,480
beats him on the decision, you know, to win the

1336
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:33,719
to become the industry of champs. So when his first defense,

1337
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:36,440
this is what this was, He's taken on Zab Judah,

1338
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,880
formidable guys Zab only had at this time, he only

1339
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,280
had the one defeat, and Corey Spinks went in the

1340
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,000
ring and just dazzled the outboxed the guy. Now he

1341
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,639
ultimately Judah later got the revenge when they met in

1342
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:49,320
a rematch that took place in Saint Louis. In fact,

1343
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,840
both of the fights on this card Brewster Klitschko as

1344
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,760
well as Judah and Sphinx. They both were the first

1345
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,119
fights of what became two fight series where the result

1346
00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:00,360
was reversed in the rematch. But in terms of of

1347
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,960
this fight, look that was Corey Spinks probably at his best.

1348
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,400
I mean, he looked probably even better in this fight

1349
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,079
than he did when he defeated Ricardo my Orga.

1350
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 4: So he retained.

1351
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,119
Speaker 3: They actually went on a pretty good run because not

1352
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:12,639
only did he beat my Orga for the title, he

1353
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:15,599
then beat Judah to retain. He had another defense against

1354
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,960
Miguel Angel Gonzalez in the next fight. Then he met

1355
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,000
up with Judah in the rematch, and not only did

1356
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:21,440
he lose, but he got knocked down in front of

1357
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,440
his home crowd. But on this particular night, Corey Spinks

1358
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,760
was the fucking man. He knocked Judah down in the

1359
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,440
eleventh round. Judah knocked him down in the twelfth round,

1360
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,039
but it did not impact the scoring because obviously they

1361
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,199
offset each other and it was close. I'm looking at

1362
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:38,639
the scores. It was one fourteen to one twelve on

1363
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:41,639
two score cards in favor of Corey. Spinks won sixteen

1364
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:44,679
to one eleven on the third card. But as Corey

1365
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:46,880
Spinks fights go, and if you watch any Cory Spinks fight,

1366
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,599
he probably went to sleep quite easily on a lot

1367
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:50,920
of them. This was actually a pretty good fight, and

1368
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,480
there was some drama and there was a lot of

1369
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:56,280
stakes obviously, and this was not even like the main

1370
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,000
fight of the show that created the most memories and

1371
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,639
the most drama because of what happened when Klitchkow had

1372
01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:03,840
the big loss against Bruser. So that was a Helma fight.

1373
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,639
Bandala Bay event Center really good show.

1374
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:11,119
Speaker 1: All right, so we've given you a bunch again.

1375
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:15,039
Speaker 2: We circle back that Jiron Ennis and Stanionis will fight

1376
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:18,039
for the Unified Welterweight Championships and the match Room dessone

1377
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:20,800
show in Atlantic City. I've given you the good preview

1378
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,760
on that and the rest of that card, some news,

1379
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,440
some nostalgia. By the way, we did the bet Us

1380
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:29,280
show that normally comes on Friday, as we release the

1381
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,559
podcast back on Wednesdays, if you want to watch us

1382
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:34,239
handicap the main event in the co feature fight with

1383
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,199
Raymond Ford, you can see that it is archived. It's

1384
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,519
on the YouTube platform on the Twitter platform of bet us,

1385
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,360
and watch us more on that.

1386
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,199
Speaker 1: Again.

1387
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:44,519
Speaker 2: I got to keep all of this straight that we

1388
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:46,360
still got the weekend to go here in the fight

1389
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,559
to go on Saturday night. Whatever happens, you and I

1390
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:52,280
will come back and recap that fight card and then

1391
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,119
coming next week. Coming next week, we are making efforts

1392
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:58,239
behind the scenes. I'm not gonna reveal it, but next

1393
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:03,840
week's the fortieth anniversary of the wildest, most violent three

1394
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,760
rounds ever forty years of Haggler. Hearns that we've been reminiscing,

1395
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,360
so we're going to do something in and around that

1396
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:11,880
view and me speaking of nostalgia, just stand by for

1397
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,559
that that fortieth anniversary.

1398
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:15,159
Speaker 1: Other than that, are you ready for the weekend?

1399
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: You're ready for Ennis and Stanionis and whatever we're about

1400
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,280
to see here in Atlantic City.

1401
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 4: You're good, I'm ready. I don't know. I'm not the

1402
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:21,639
one that asked to fight.

1403
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: We are not taking the punches. Okay, So there we

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go for Saturday again. Follow subscribe on this podcast feed.

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We preview going into the weekend. We recap coming off

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the weekend for Dan Rayphiel. I'm merely TJ.

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Speaker 1: Reeves.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us on the Big Fight

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