WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:29.839 Hello everybody, Welcome to That's Not Metal, and welcome to 2 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:32.719 a big old episode for us this May. This is 3 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:35.560 the reviews back here on That's Not Metal. We are 4 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:38.320 your weekly rock and heavy metal podcasts. In this particular week, 5 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.960 we are coming at you with a delectable selection of 6 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:47.119 releases from the worlds of metal, punk, alternative rock, all 7 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.759 things heavy to give to you, and we're going to 8 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:51.240 give you the lowdown on why. These are some of 9 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:53.479 the records that have come out this particular month that 10 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.640 you should if you have not so far, you should 11 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.200 check in on these and give you our thoughts on them. 12 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:01.119 My name is Parnhish. With me to do this task, 13 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.799 Elliot Paisley is joining me for this one. How you doing, man, 14 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:05.280 very well? 15 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:07.040 I've been enjoying the heat. 16 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:09.239 Oh yes, it has been that weeks. 17 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:11.040 It's been pretty I mean, for some of the albums 18 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:14.760 we're doing, it could not be less appropriate. But there 19 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:17.439 is there is one that really aligned nicely. 20 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:22.480 So yeah, we have got some records, maybe specially selected 21 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:24.840 to try and balance out the ones that do feel 22 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:27.599 completely inappropriate. But we're not the ones who released them 23 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.840 this month. They are so to blame them. But today 24 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:33.280 we have got to talk about in the reviews the 25 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.879 new albums from Basement Frozen Soul, Haggard, A Frozen Soul 26 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:39.840 in Fucking This Heat, you know what I mean, it's 27 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:44.560 just ready Basement, Frozen Soul, Haggard, Cat, Fire Tools, Prison, 28 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:48.760 Eared Tom, A Forest of Stars, Pernopticon and Scimitar. We 29 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:50.959 have got just a little dabbling in the news before 30 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:54.000 we get into all of that. I'm gonna cheap these 31 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:55.920 relatively brief, so we're not going to go into the 32 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.680 latest inane thing that the Osbourne's have had to say. 33 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.200 But we have got, in terms of live music announcement 34 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.879 here in the UK, quite a few exciting things. First up, 35 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:08.439 AFI have added another date to their now like it's 36 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:10.159 coming up to like five or six dates or something 37 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:12.840 that they're actually now in the UK, which is you 38 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.280 never would have dreamed it unbelievable. They have added the 39 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:17.280 thing that was lacking before all this, which was a 40 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:20.719 London headline show at Shepherd's Bush Empire. This is on 41 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.919 the twentieth of August, that is two days before what 42 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:26.960 was the first date, which was the Manchester show. And 43 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.479 I am convinced that this has been added because Davey 44 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:33.560 Havoc has learned from some journalists that The Kure are 45 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:35.560 playing in Manchester the day before them, and so I 46 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:40.080 think that this has been rounded specifically to get that 47 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:42.199 particular slot in for the man and I salute that 48 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.439 if that's the case. So everybody in London, who was 49 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:46.759 you know, holding off from doing the big outbreak or 50 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:50.000 points East deftoned thing? You want to see AFI headline? 51 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.879 Of course I understand that I want to say AFI headline, 52 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:53.840 That's why I'm doing it. Then you now can do 53 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:58.599 so in London. We also have extra dates added around 54 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:03.120 not loose appearances with Metallica. Next month they are going 55 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:04.560 to be playing along with the dates that have already 56 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:06.479 been announced with Metallica. They are going to be headlining 57 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:11.280 in Belfast, Dublin, Bristol and Nottingham. I am quite sad 58 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.800 that I'm not going to be hitting up the Metallica 59 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.479 shows with you know, not Losing Goodyear and everything next 60 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:17.000 month there looks like it's gonna be great. But we 61 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.680 also have a touring announcement from worm Rot, who for 62 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:22.879 a band from literally OtherSide the world. They do come here, 63 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:24.719 they treat us, don't they? They come here pretty often? 64 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.280 These days, but they're gonna be playing They was already 65 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.319 announce they are playing Core Festival, but they've added a 66 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:36.479 whole string of dates around that, which includes Nottingham, London, Newcastle, Belfast, Dublin, Manchester, Leeds, 67 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:40.199 Newport and Southampton, which is good old stuff. And considering 68 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:43.039 that some of those shows again bands on Core Festival 69 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:44.840 include Pig Straw and I Hate God, they are going 70 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:47.400 to be also appearing on some of these dates with 71 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:49.800 with with Romot. You could be tempted by that, surely. 72 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.639 It's honestly mad. How often worm rot here by the 73 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.240 Father's I'm going, ah, I should, I should make my 74 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:56.759 way down to that, and you I was only like, 75 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.000 what six months ago? Yeah, It's just it's fucking ridict. 76 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:05.159 I am highly tempted by that Southampton date. So I've 77 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:06.919 traveled quite far from when more in the past. I 78 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:08.400 think the first one I saw them was at that 79 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.639 White Hotel, which was a four hour drive for yeah, 80 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:11.960 thirty five minutes of music, So. 81 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:14.759 I mean, unfortunately, they've also had news this week that 82 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.399 venue of the White Hotel in Manchester is going to 83 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.639 be closing down next year, which is very sad. I 84 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:21.040 haven't been there in quite a long time. I know 85 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.399 they have like lots of like cross genre, you know, 86 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.560 like they don't just book punk and metal shows. But 87 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.079 unfortunately as a venue, it's gonna be going you know, disappearing. 88 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:29.199 But nice. 89 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.240 It was, it was appropriate, it was a good time. 90 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:33.959 So yeah, I'm really and genuinely very sad to hear 91 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.439 about the White Hotel. Let's move on to more heavy 92 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:40.839 stuff though, because right before we have gone to record, 93 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.240 we have a latest addition to the Damnation bill and 94 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:49.439 Damnation this year they're just I applaud so much the 95 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.800 sheer fucket energy they're putting into it, Like it really 96 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:53.560 feels like they're going, well, we've you know, we've sold 97 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.480 x amount of tickets before we can go to you know, 98 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.160 start panicking. So let's just like manifest things that no 99 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.120 one thought was going to happened, like more festivals. You know, obviously, 100 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.519 if they have the ability to, should just go in 101 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:08.920 with this, Like what because added one band to the 102 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:12.160 Damandation bill this year today, but it is the Berserker, 103 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:19.519 the Australian like industrial grind death metal band from primarily 104 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:22.120 active during the two thousands, and it is their it's 105 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:24.879 their only show in Europe for a start, this is 106 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.879 an exclusive. It's also their first European show in eighteen years. 107 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.519 Because the Berserker have not been an active thing for 108 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:33.800 a long time, They've been playing in other bands like 109 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.560 the Australian band where Walls, for example, features some members 110 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.680 of the Berserker. But this is a real out of 111 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:40.199 the blue thing. 112 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.519 This is the sort of thing which it could literally 113 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:45.879 could only happen at a metal festival, obviously, but only 114 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.199 an extreme metal festival. Because the Berzerk are like a 115 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:51.600 weird and niche band within a weird a niche thing. 116 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:56.360 They're very enigmatic and very specific in their appeal, like 117 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:58.160 is it industrial grind call that's not going to appeal 118 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:02.639 to absolutely everyone. I'm kind of confounded by this. I 119 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.040 obviously this is kind of the announcement that they are back, 120 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:07.680 but the Berserka is just not a band that I've 121 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.360 thought about, we even considered the return of maybe ever, 122 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.120 because they've not been actually my time of following extreme music, 123 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.879 and now it's like, oh fuck, in a few months 124 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:20.319 I'll be seeing will they be in costume? Probably not. 125 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.800 I'd like them to be, but it's just it's it's 126 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:25.759 so weird that they that they exist again. 127 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:30.199 Yeah, and Gavin, you know, very humorously. Right before Winter recorded, 128 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.480 he posted in the That's Not Metal forum on Facebook saying, 129 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:35.959 I'm booking these bands now just to hear parents' reaction. 130 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:37.680 And I appreciate that. 131 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.759 But I also thought, I mean, I, you know, the Berserker, 132 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:42.759 I will well up for see and absolutely again like 133 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.399 one of those part of that wave of you know, 134 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.240 going into twenty first century, bands like Agrobet, Nosebleed and 135 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.040 Anna Thrac who were like pumping up through the use 136 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:57.079 of technology, just how fucking ridiculous extreme metal could be essentially. 137 00:06:57.800 --> 00:06:59.199 And I guess, like I said, I'm well in for that, 138 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.360 and I'm like, it's an awesome thing that they're here. 139 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.839 But I thought even more than me, I thought about you, Elliott, 140 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:05.279 because I don't know if you're actually a fan of 141 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:08.360 The Berserker, but that crop of like mad you know, 142 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:12.959 like electro grind whatever type things. I just I had 143 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:14.680 something in me. I was like, I bet The Berserker 144 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:16.560 would be something that Elliot would be like, oh my god, 145 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:17.839 I can't believe it. 146 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:19.480 It's you know, they were a band that it'sn't be 147 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:21.000 a long time to come around. Because I had a 148 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.160 ridiculous bias against them because when I first got into 149 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.319 extreme music, they were it was maybe not like the band, 150 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:28.040 but they were like they're the fastest band to ever 151 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:29.240 walk the earth, and I found it they had a 152 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.720 drum machine and I was like, that's cheating, it's not allowed, 153 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:33.920 it's not saying. It's like given the World Strongest Man 154 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.959 Awards would a drawing of Superman. That's that's out of order, 155 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:39.600 and and then the whole of them being a costume 156 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:41.040 band and then giving it up. It was like, this 157 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:44.959 is too weird. But in recent years, going back to it, 158 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:47.480 they're fucking They were a cool bed like not I 159 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:49.319 don't love them as much as say Alm the Thrack 160 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.839 or Gorfobe, but Nose Bleed, but the appeal they have 161 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:56.480 is kind of those things, but maybe like more they're 162 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:58.399 a bit more coherent than I think than those bands 163 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.439 were in their most extreme that some of their songs 164 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.639 are really catch you not not quite melodic, might be 165 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.160 a stretch, but like Carcass in their delivery, they're not 166 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.560 as brutalizing as you might expect from it. Yeah, I'm 167 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:13.600 not a huge fan. I'd be well for seeing them, 168 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:14.800 and they are a band that I have grown to 169 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.360 like more and more in recent years. 170 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.959 Yeah, and you say it's not as mad as you 171 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:23.560 might think, it's still for the average person, pretty fucking 172 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.199 mad and certainly a mad addition to to that bill. 173 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:31.759 Great the Berserker added to Damnation. Not tons on the 174 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:34.080 new music front outside obviously the average views that we 175 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:36.360 are doing. But a couple of things that caught my eye. 176 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.559 One is the tomb Mold. You know those guys. I 177 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.759 spoke about them recently. I saw them Incineration in London. 178 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:48.120 Three of their members have come out with a new project. 179 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:51.519 They have signed to Run for Cover Records, which is 180 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.000 the immediate indicate what's going here. And they're going to 181 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.759 be putting out an album coming in July under the 182 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.320 name day Dream Plus. And the album is called Second 183 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.200 Last Day of Summer. And when I say you know 184 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.159 members of two Mold, this is basically everyone the band 185 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.879 apart from so you might know Derek Vella, the guitarist, 186 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:10.600 who is the guy who outside of two Mold, he's 187 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:13.080 done things like dream Unending his particular side project, the 188 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.440 kind of like ambient you know, proggy sort of you know, 189 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.159 atmospheric doom band that he does this is everyone else 190 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:20.840 from the band, and I think the other guitarist, Patient 191 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.919 is like the primary kind of creative drive by in 192 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.360 this particular project. But the idea of oh an alter 193 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:29.360 ego two Mold band, right, and you know the dream 194 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:31.320 and ending thing is different to Mold that you can 195 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.240 see how that would like fit into the same creative universe. 196 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.120 Have you checked out the Daydream plus track? 197 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:38.600 Yeah? 198 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:43.639 And from Too Old? Is it? No? 199 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.080 I mean just I mean, first of I just saw 200 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:47.639 the album cover and the songs that of the second 201 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.799 Last Day of Summer, which is such a sweet and 202 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:54.559 earnest song. It's lovely, it's it's delightful. And the weird 203 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:57.039 point is I kind of can hear the two Mold 204 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.480 in it because it's still got those liquid lead guitars 205 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:01.720 that you know, sound like Mango Juice, but it's just 206 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.200 outside of the concept of them sounded like cynic and 207 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:10.480 just into like really breezy, lovely city pop. It's yeah, pleasant, Yeah, this. 208 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:13.600 Is like an instrumental project of just like lovely little 209 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:15.480 you know, as you say it, kind of city pop, instrumental, 210 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:17.759 kind of power pop type deals. It's very light, it's 211 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.600 very bubbly, I said, Run for Cover Records. I'm sure 212 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.840 that many, many people who would never ever dream of 213 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:26.480 listening to Too Mold would enjoy and get something out 214 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:27.960 of this. Maybe we'll check in more on the album 215 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.200 when it comes out. But yeah, that was the most 216 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:32.679 I think, you know, head turning new music announcement of 217 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:34.240 the week. I think we also have a new song 218 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:37.360 from A Perfect Circle, which is called Stylus. They've released 219 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:41.159 this ahead of their UK talk that's coming up sometime soon. Elliott, 220 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:44.600 how big did you care at all for Eat the Elliott, 221 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:46.480 Eat the Elliott fucking Eat the Elephant? 222 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.600 I mean, my ego is only so big or if 223 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:53.919 for starting bands naming it's gonna get to but it's 224 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.200 more like a threat. Oh shit. Oh yeah, yeah. I 225 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.200 don't like a perfect sirfle so my enemies, but uh 226 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:04.879 they a few songs on it I thought were great. 227 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.840 I thought I love so Long and Thanks for all 228 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.720 the Fish. I think it's a great song. The album 229 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.519 I found a bit flabby, a bit too ponderous. I 230 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:16.720 kind of like the idea of them going arim more 231 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:21.320 than I actually like them going rim so fine, but 232 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:22.519 I didn't love it. 233 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:28.080 Yeah, I found it pretty tedious and I'm extremely lukewarm 234 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.759 on a Perfect Circle largely overall. Anyways, I won't less 235 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.200 surprised by that, and this song also does not change 236 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.039 any of that. I hope that the actual Perfect Circle 237 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:37.679 fans like it. 238 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.879 Yeah, it's you know, I think it's cool. It sounds 239 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:44.919 much more like the classic Perfect Circle music that that 240 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.200 people would typically point out. But I'm kind of similar 241 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.000 to you. I'm not that wild about that. In the 242 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.320 first time, made of Norms, I think is a perfectly 243 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.200 good record, but I've never understood people claiming it's one 244 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:57.000 of the best side projects albums of all time ever 245 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.759 in the history of rock and roll. This is maybe 246 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:02.399 a step in the right direction compared to most of 247 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:04.480 Eat the Elephant, But I only it's got the song 248 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:07.120 power of the best songs on that record. So yeah, 249 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.559 if it's just middling, yeah, well, there you go. 250 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:11.799 A pervoc circles new track as ahead of their UK 251 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:14.279 tour that's coming up, and we do actually now have 252 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:17.720 a final concrete date for what will be the final 253 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:20.639 Sepultura show. You might be confused over the past couple 254 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:23.120 years when they did farewell tours and then just seemingly 255 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.519 just kept adding more shows. And more, return trip to 256 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:27.080 Europe's and all that all the time. But we have 257 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:28.639 an actual date now of when it will come to 258 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.000 an end. In November of this year, November the seventh, Saturday, 259 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:34.840 November seventh, they are going to be playing their final show, 260 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:38.080 headlining in South Paalolo, Brazil, of course, on a bill 261 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.759 that features Metal Allegiance, which is like the one of 262 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:45.600 those all star metal musician cover band type things, Christian 263 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.159 and Sacred Reich. It's nice see Christian on there. To 264 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.840 get some more Brazilian representation. I would like to say 265 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:52.639 maybe a little more of that, but maybe they're not 266 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:54.240 going to make up with I don't know, the guys 267 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.360 from Sarcophago. After the whole chain whipping scenario, go and 268 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:00.720 listen to our first part chair special on the Patreon 269 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.799 if you want to hear the story behind that whole scenario. 270 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.240 But yeah, the final Sepultury are happening in November, so 271 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.840 if you have not seen them in between now and November, 272 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:12.120 and they have a date in your area, then that 273 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:13.879 is very much the time to go and do it. 274 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:14.559 So that's the. 275 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.720 News this week. Let's get on with things. Firstly, a 276 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.240 little shout out to the Patreon have I've just mentioned 277 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.519 our Sepultury Is Special from many a moon ago. Now 278 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.200 right now we are in the zone of doing our 279 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:28.240 Corn Special, and we just this week put out the 280 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.320 part two of it, where we spoke about everything from 281 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.759 follow the Leader up to take a look in the 282 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.440 Mirror and heads departure hopefully in a couple of weeks time. 283 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.080 You know, in June we are going to dive pretty 284 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:42.799 you know quickly back into the third part, which is 285 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.279 I think apart we all of us are quite curious about. 286 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.799 But this, you know, second Glory Years up until it 287 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.240 isn't part but mostly Glory Years. 288 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:52.279 Was a lot of fun. 289 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.519 I mean we also went into some side tangents, into 290 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.159 some side projects and stuff, which are always interesting, this 291 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:58.879 part particularly, but yeah, get one. 292 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:02.399 It right, so much fun. This was the most daunting 293 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.080 of all the episodes because it's, like you agree, covering 294 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:09.559 the height of the band. It's four pretty huge records, 295 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.360 and it's the stories that go into them and all 296 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:14.519 of that sort of thing. I actually think the next 297 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:17.279 half is gonna be where it gets more interesting and 298 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:21.240 argumentative in terms of charting why they're the most like 299 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:22.840 one of the most important metal bands ever and why 300 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.159 they're one of the greatest. It's it's just been so 301 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:29.039 nice to go back and revisit those records and discuss them. 302 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:30.200 It's been it's been a pleasure. 303 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:32.600 Yeah, I agree that it was the most daunting part 304 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:34.480 because as well as having those four records, we were 305 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.720 talking about everything that comes with these years. So we 306 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:39.720 had like, you know, Woodstock ninety nine, that small old thing. 307 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.200 We had to talk about the height of them as 308 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.440 an MTV band, and all of the videos, how they 309 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.639 changed fashion, all of that stuff. But it went down 310 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:49.919 pretty well, and I say everything from like free Conner 311 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.320 Leash up to we ended on the word up cover 312 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.600 you know, like good good times, and you can find 313 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.320 that over at patron dot com slash that's a Mattall. 314 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:00.879 We also have recent album clubs up there. We discussed 315 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.960 Cat Your Blessings ahead of the anniversary shows for that. 316 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:06.639 That's happening. All sorts going on, and we will return 317 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:10.519 soon for part three of Corn. But right now, what 318 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.320 we are really here to do today is the reviews retrospective. 319 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:15.480 I suppose we're at the end of the month here. 320 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:17.360 We're going to look back over May and pick out 321 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:19.759 some of the records that really really want to talk about. 322 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:23.919 And it has been, first of all, a pretty notable 323 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.320 few weeks for some major albums coming out of the 324 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.960 alt rock side of the T and M spectrum. Some 325 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:30.879 of them, I'm sure you're wondering where they are. Some 326 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.039 of them were sticking a pin in until Sam's come back. 327 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.559 Sam's obviously away in Asia right now, and there's a 328 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.399 couple albums where we're like, we feel that this will 329 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.720 get a truer assessment and a better conversation if you know, 330 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.360 Sam was here doing this with us. So some of 331 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.919 those we will get to, but as there was such 332 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.200 a good crop of them, we figured we should at 333 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:48.919 least hit one of them while we are here. And 334 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.919 so the first with you today is from Basement, who 335 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.840 earlier this month released their album Wired, and it is 336 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.720 their first album in eight years, which is a sentence 337 00:15:57.759 --> 00:15:59.600 I feel like I've been saying a lot these past 338 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:02.279 couple weeks, but this one really felt quite long awaited 339 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.840 because for the past four or five years since COVID, 340 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:08.320 Basement have been thoroughly about like it's been difficult to 341 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.840 avoid them, which is kind of reaffirmed in your mind 342 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:14.759 more that they've been around but without making any new music. 343 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.720 And Basement are one of the leading bands of the 344 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.960 twenty ten's alternative rock boom, particularly here in the UK, 345 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:24.639 and in these last few years it feels like they've 346 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:27.759 very much confirmed themselves as having a pretty seminal status 347 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.120 for a particular generation of that crowd. Their album Colory 348 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.600 and Kindness in twenty twelve is one of the most 349 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.879 lovingly recalled classics of that period. The follow up to that, 350 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.679 promise Everything in twenty sixteen, also very good, I think. 351 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.200 And then the last we had from them, Beside Myself 352 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:45.080 in twenty eighteen, changed haapt just a bit, and it 353 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.600 saw them shedding some of the gruffer elements of the 354 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.840 early twenty tens post hardcore stuff and embracing a more 355 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.320 kind of adult radio friendly emo kind of side, akin 356 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:58.399 to bands like jimat World and the like, mixed in 357 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:00.559 with a bit of classic brit rock maybe, and I 358 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:02.879 loved when they did that. I think it's at the 359 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.039 very least up there contending to be their best record. 360 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:07.720 I think it probably is if you look at the 361 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:09.240 Tratlers and it comes down to it, and I think 362 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:12.000 the band themselves would get annoyed at me for saying that, 363 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:14.839 but it is what it is. It felt like it 364 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:17.680 was maybe the beginning of a bright new dawn for Basement, 365 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.559 and then they disappeared, and when they came back this decade, 366 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:22.920 it felt a little bit more like the old Basement 367 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.640 was back. Maybe it's just that beside myself, you know, 368 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.240 naturally didn't arrive at the same point of life for 369 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:31.079 you know, their fan base that Columby and Kayness did. 370 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.480 But beside myself feels like it's unfortunately being forgotten a bit, 371 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.000 a load of songs missing from their setlists upon their return, 372 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.440 underrated by the band themselves, seemingly, and instead Columby and 373 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.119 Kindness anniversary treatment became very much the order of the day, 374 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:45.599 and playing shows in that kind of vein for it 375 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.079 felt like quite a long time. It felt like Basement 376 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:50.480 became a little bit of a nostalgia band for a while, 377 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.599 which maybe, as I say, the wait for new material 378 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.640 feel longer until finally here we are. I say all 379 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:57.359 of this, you know, not to be too salty, but 380 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.400 just because I think it's relevant context for this band story. 381 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.480 That they came back after that period away, they weren't 382 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:05.759 quite picking up from what was their most recent record, 383 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.519 but rather from a time before that. Elliott I can 384 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:11.559 speak as not necessarily a hardcore fan of Basement, but 385 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:13.599 amongst their generation of emo bands, they are one of 386 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:15.799 the handful who I as not really a die hard 387 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.640 fan of that that music. Do really like You're maybe 388 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:19.559 like a colder. 389 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:20.240 Is that right? 390 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.240 Yeah? They've They've always been a band that I've wanted 391 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:25.960 to love more than I do. And you know, there's 392 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:27.759 bands in this scene and bands of their generation that 393 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:31.160 I love and I've clung to forever, even when some 394 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.200 of them started making shit records. Basement, I've always been 395 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.480 pretty amazed by their popularity. Like the fact that you 396 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.079 like them is I think really interesting because it's there's 397 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:43.480 not really anything about them that would mark them out sonically. 398 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:46.920 It is kind of just a level of song craft 399 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.079 or something I don't know, like they just the something 400 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:51.880 which can, yeah, something which connects them to more people 401 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.839 than you know, other bands their start. I've never been 402 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.720 head over heels for any album of theirs, but I 403 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.000 will also concede that they're not a band that I've 404 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:01.799 given that many chances. I've sort of listened to the 405 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:05.759 records as they've come out not connected that quickly and 406 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.039 fairly swiftly moved on, and maybe that thing you'd describe 407 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:13.720 about their presence but not commercial artistic contribution for the 408 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.279 last few years has kind of made me feel even 409 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:18.839 more distant from them or less interested. So this is 410 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:20.839 the first time, I think only the first time ever 411 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:24.440 that I've invested so much time listening to a Basement record. 412 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:26.519 Maybe ever, Yeah. 413 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.319 That's interesting, and it's an interesting one to do that with, 414 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.279 I suppose, but Basement are coming at this album with 415 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:33.839 a larger level of expectations, maybe than normal, because of 416 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.559 the absence, and that in that absence they have kind 417 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:38.160 of inflated into being, as I say, a kind of 418 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.039 seminal band. I like this record. Having got it, I 419 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:43.720 had to say this album hasn't hit me as immediately 420 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.039 as I'd hoped, based on how much I do like 421 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:49.279 particularly their last three albums and the long wait for it. 422 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:50.880 That's not to say I don't like it. Like clearing 423 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:52.720 that up straight away, This is not a negative review. 424 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:54.599 I think this is a good record. I've got a 425 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:56.640 decent bit of enjoyment out of it. And if so, 426 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:58.839 if this scene is your you know, bread and Butter 427 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:01.319 I can imagine how much some other people might really 428 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:02.960 be loving it if they were, you know, even harder 429 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.240 on Basement into Basement than I was, so straight off 430 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.000 the bat. This is a recommend if you've somehow not 431 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:09.759 heard Basement before and you are a big fan of 432 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:13.359 contemporary alternative rock. I'm just a little milder maybe in 433 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.000 my take on this. Then I'd hoped you as someone 434 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:18.799 who completely apathetic to Basement basically before this, But as 435 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:20.680 you're saying, you've invested a little more time into this 436 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.279 one than other Basement records. I would be curious how 437 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:26.880 much you, you know, differ or align with that. 438 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.200 I suspect I like it as much as you do, 439 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:30.960 but I'm coming it from the other direction mine. 440 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:32.200 That's probably right. 441 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.680 Yeah, I suspect we're going to be agreeing the whole time, 442 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.680 but it's going to be more positive because it's because 443 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:39.640 I like this record. I don't I don't like everything 444 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:42.359 about it. There's enough of me. There's enough about this 445 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.960 for me to go, Yeah, I like this record, and 446 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:47.359 when it's great, it's really great. There's enough features in 447 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:50.319 it which I think are refreshing for banding their scene. Yeah, 448 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:55.440 I just it's mild, but mild in a positive way. 449 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:58.319 I guess. I don't know's it feels harsh, it feels weird. 450 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:00.519 It sounds harsh the way I'm saying it. But I 451 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:01.680 like this record. 452 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:03.880 No, that's good, and I think that we can straight 453 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:05.279 away from the top here we can go for the 454 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:06.319 two of us two thumbs up. 455 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:06.960 Yeah hoa. 456 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.519 I think this album is good, and it does feel 457 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:13.759 like it's a mixture of like it's very much for 458 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:17.920 basement fans who are with them on columny and kindness 459 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.200 and promise everything and have been going to see them, 460 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:21.839 you know, since they return at these big outbreak shows 461 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.279 and stuff like that, mixed in with also, you know, 462 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:27.279 the developments in it feel like they are developments just 463 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:30.640 for Basement, you know, rather than trying to necessarily, you know, 464 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.240 assuage this and one way or another. I think that, 465 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:35.200 you know, for the hardcore basement contingent who were like 466 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:37.720 really pining for a record, there will be something very 467 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.039 you know, lovely about that. I think a lot of 468 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:43.559 the distancing from beside myself maybe comes from the fact 469 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:45.680 that they signed to feel by Rahman for that one 470 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.839 and this and then their return to primarily playing hardcore 471 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.559 fests and the like. Seems to be reaffirming them as 472 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:55.640 a more like grassroots, subcultural kind of band, and I 473 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:57.640 respect that for sure. I think it's amazing that that 474 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:01.279 album sonically turned out so well, avoided the fuel by 475 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:03.880 ramification of like every rock band around that time, to 476 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.160 be honest, but this one feels much more like, you know, hey, 477 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.200 basement fans who remember us before, and maybe we're expecting, 478 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.440 you know, we'd be curious about what that band would 479 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:13.799 have matured into and grown into, you know, ten years 480 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.519 down that line. This is that record, and these songs 481 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:18.759 you can slip into those kind of environments. But as 482 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.720 I say, simultaneously embrace a few production developments and such 483 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.359 that mean even that kind of dirtier basement sound is 484 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.240 put through a little bit of a blender on this. 485 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:31.880 It is rougher than maybe any of their last albums, 486 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:35.440 like since Colomyan Kindness may be like it not underproduced, 487 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:38.319 but it's just sort of gruffer in the guitar tone 488 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:39.960 and the drum sound, and they feel like they're going 489 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:41.920 for a weight on things, like there's a drum beat 490 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:44.200 on dead Weight just on its own, and it's kind 491 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.079 of in uteroish, you know, and it's got that sort 492 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:49.359 of that girth that a rock band in that kind 493 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:51.839 of lane have. And there's a lot of like distorted 494 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.519 vocal fry on songs as well, almost to the point 495 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:58.440 of being deliberate backlash against what they sounded like last time. 496 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:00.759 Like this feels a little bit with out being a 497 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.039 you know, a berserker record. This feels like it's sort 498 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.119 of maybe retaliating against the idea of making alternative rock 499 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:08.039 to be played for radio. 500 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.279 Yeah, it's one of my favorite things about this record 501 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.000 is how organic it sounds. You know, a time where 502 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.920 basically anything popular and adjacent to this emo pop punk start, 503 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:20.759 I say, anything popular there is there isn't a healthy 504 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.519 underground or a healthy winger this start thing, which still 505 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.640 feels organic, but a lot of stuff in the more 506 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:30.640 mainstream wing bands about basement side Besize end up sounding terrible. 507 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:34.039 This sounds like lovely and like a band like that. 508 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:36.799 Bass really thick and robust, the dross, the drums have 509 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.960 this hiss to them. This all of distortion in the 510 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.759 symbol production which makes them feel you know, alive and 511 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:43.440 in the room. And the guitars, the guitars and ice 512 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:46.720 and Chunky Leeds have this cool sort of whining tones 513 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:48.960 to them. I'm a big fan of It's like I say, 514 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.359 it sounds like a band, and maybe that sounds like 515 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.640 light praise, but it shouldn't because the production really suits 516 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:57.519 the band, really suits the songs, and like I said, 517 00:23:57.519 --> 00:23:58.200 it's refreshing. 518 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:01.240 Yeah, but I think maybe if you look at column 519 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:03.079 Kaina's promise everything, those are a little bit more like 520 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.079 capturing the band in the room. This does have I think, 521 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.799 like a little bit of extra intentional sort of fuzz 522 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:11.640 on it, those kind of hisses and stuff that you're 523 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.839 you're mentioning do again. They're trying to add a bit 524 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:18.559 of kind of crackle onto this beyond a you know, 525 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:20.880 a sleeker production like the head on the last record 526 00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:23.359 and beside myself, but I think you know, when you 527 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.000 were saying about it's kind of interest that I like 528 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:26.960 Basement so much when again this is not my like 529 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:31.960 my absolute favorite world, but the song craft combined with 530 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.440 there's an understated greatness about Basement all the time. Like 531 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:39.720 they're not flashy or like outwardly charismatic or whatever, but 532 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:42.880 their singer Andrew is a master of like dourly catchy 533 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.000 vocal melodies like choruses that sore but also somehow feel 534 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.119 like they're being delivered with a sigh as he does them, 535 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.680 like their biggest song goes with You, and that's a 536 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:54.920 fucking hit, you know, and they're at their best. 537 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:55.519 They hit a. 538 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:59.519 Sweet point between being like ultra melancholic and bizarrely sticky. 539 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.519 There's a little bit of that flavor even in like 540 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:04.079 an upbeat song like sever but it manages to make 541 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:07.160 the ear worm just the downturn of Severn, you know that, 542 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:09.440 just like that, Cadence is like classic basement to me, 543 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.240 Deadweight I mentioned the chorus is so forlorn, to the 544 00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:16.720 point that the vocal itself seems actively to depress and 545 00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:20.279 like wind down until it comes to almost a sluggish halt. 546 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.440 But then the verse like hits you back into this 547 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:24.440 more steady teen But that's a cool trick that you do. 548 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.359 And that's even a flavor in the guitar lines the 549 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.640 opening song, time Waster somehow like the guitar riff it 550 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:33.240 somehow it both seems to want you to jump up 551 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.839 and down and slump down and cry. Somehow hit in 552 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.680 middle point between these things that regardless of whether it 553 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.880 is you know, super peppy like it was on Beside Myself, 554 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:45.559 or very fuzzy. It is a here that sort of 555 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:49.279 combination feels like the basement identity I suppose to. 556 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:51.799 Me, Yeah, I'm hearing exactly what you're saying. You know, 557 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.039 Satisfy for me sounds like a what's like a sixties 558 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:58.759 do wop song but reimagined by the Pixies in the vana, 559 00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.240 like they kind of sucker all the effervescent joy of 560 00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:04.920 that thing, but the songs still there. You have this 561 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:08.640 tasty pulp at the sense of it. It's embrace, which 562 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:10.400 sounds like a kind of oasis bad in the way 563 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.000 it's written. In the performance, it's got this kind of 564 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:17.720 mogua quality where it sounds like the song's slightly too slow. 565 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.079 It's going to like ninety five percent it's appropriate speed, 566 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.160 and again it sounds like there might be a criticism 567 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.440 of it's deliberately slow another the course of dead way, 568 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.359 You're exactly right that one of my favorite things about 569 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.240 this record is the way this band they sound completely 570 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.480 free to change tempo in a way that a lot 571 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.319 of bands in their scene don't like it, just for 572 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.400 so many would be you know, maybe nervousness about losing 573 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.559 attention by going We're going to slow down in the chorus. 574 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:41.519 There's a bunch of the songs on this record that 575 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:43.599 do that sort of trick, and it's it's a really 576 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:47.359 cool one that's unique to them, and it's somehow doesn't 577 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.640 make it makes the songs more exciting, not less. 578 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:51.680 Yeah, And like we were saying, the kind of more 579 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.400 over driven parts, like the first song has quite heavy 580 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.480 elements to it. You get a couple of songs further in, 581 00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:59.920 like the tap track right on its heels is like 582 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.799 Nirvana circa Incesticide, you know, like just a heavy old 583 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.440 rock kind of stage diver pick up the pieces as well. 584 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:09.960 It's like rowdier in a way that is. That's one 585 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.240 of the ones was, like I say, feels more erratic 586 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.400 and not as clean with its hooks, even as Basement, 587 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.680 you know, we're in the mid twenty tens, like it's 588 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.920 there is something deliberately overblown and unkempt about it, and 589 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:24.519 in a weird sort of way, maybe you could liken 590 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.119 that too, I don't know, like the Newest Food Fighters 591 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:27.920 record or something like that and what they were attempting. 592 00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:31.279 But Basement, have you know, a certainly a stronger handle 593 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:33.759 on how to you know, not make that feel so 594 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.279 quite as contrived, you know what I mean, And when 595 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:40.240 it does continue to go further outside of what is 596 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:45.200 the standard basement template is say less like it is 597 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.160 punching above its weight to really reach something like a 598 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.160 larger you know, kind of a level like on something 599 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.920 like a beside myself, but almost dialing it back to 600 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.240 follow down these kind of subcultural rabbit holes. So I'm 601 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.119 thinking about Broken by Design is like a Sunday real 602 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.200 estate song, you know, like one more sort of indie 603 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:05.359 type of emo, you know, with like both the the 604 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:07.799 vocal and the clean guitar melody both take a more 605 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.200 kind of insular approach. And again, once again, it's not flashy. 606 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.160 It's not really going to get a festival crowd singing 607 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.720 along as much as their bigger songs do, but it's 608 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:17.440 nice and it's cool to hear them venture there. 609 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.079 Yeah, I think again another one of the strengths of 610 00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.640 this record is the variety of styles of song. And 611 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.880 that's a great example where that I was listening to 612 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.680 that and going that's so slight and genuine. They managed 613 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.799 to fill the space it doesn't feel like some extended interlude, 614 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.799 total waste of time. It's like and you can tell 615 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.319 that they're great players fundamentally, that's what makes those songs 616 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:38.240 better than a lot of bands in their field trying 617 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.039 to do the same thing. But the fact that rubbed 618 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.559 shoulders next to what I already said, Embrace feeling like 619 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:44.759 an Oasis song seven, We already talking about that. But 620 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.680 the way I feel maybe my favorite song of the record, 621 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.400 and it's so like Smiley and Earnest. It kind of 622 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:56.240 sounds like Japandroids. It's like, it's it's great, And then 623 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:58.359 there's a lot of stuff. Almost every time, there's a 624 00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.400 couple of excepts that I'm less keen on. Almost every 625 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.200 time they try their hand at a different style of song, 626 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.200 they do a stand up job of it. 627 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:06.079 Yeah, I agree. 628 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.559 There are a couple of parts where they, you know, 629 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.799 they kind of shoot for something and I'm not really 630 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.480 convinced it totally. Lands Head of Light is the one 631 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.039 that I've noted down, which kind of it cranks up 632 00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.960 the distortion on the bass and the beat so much 633 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:20.960 it's almost going for like a sort of I don't know, 634 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.480 like an acid trip indie kind of song, you know 635 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.000 what I mean, And that's not their strongest suit. I 636 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.319 would say I admire again the attempts to you know, 637 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.240 paint for these different kind of songs on this record. 638 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:34.440 I do think fundamentally Basement are best when they're bringing choruses, 639 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.759 and I would say, like the last third of this 640 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.519 album is the lightest on that. And I wouldn't say 641 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:45.839 this album in that particular level quite tops any of 642 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.200 the three records they made in like the really great 643 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.920 run of three records they made in the twenty tens. 644 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.200 I would say those all you know, for that element, 645 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.319 outpaced this one. But this is them, you know, coming 646 00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:57.720 back and being a little bit more adventurous maybe and 647 00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:01.559 not focusing so much on strictly, you know, writing those 648 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:02.720 type of songs. 649 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.519 You mentioned Hit a Lie I That to me felt 650 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.519 very obviously like, oh, you've been listening to Foxing like 651 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:12.440 you're trying to do that thing of really blown out 652 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.119 ballline panic attack starff. But it's like if you if 653 00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:18.279 you can't sell that, it ends up sounding a little 654 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.559 bit embarrassing for me. The other one was the title track, 655 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.920 where the verses are great, that chorus fucking bothers me. 656 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:26.240 I'm not sure what it is about it, just it 657 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.319 sounds like something that will play joining the Bumper on 658 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.359 CBBC and Basement being the as R and where they're from. 659 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.480 Maybe it's maybe it has and it's some sort of 660 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.240 critsynesia or something. And again you mentioned pick up the 661 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.839 pieces the drums on that are great, and there's some 662 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:46.519 cool stuff on that song. But yeah, it's these this band. 663 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.759 I imagine a lot of their songs quite often as 664 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:50.480 they do here, they're only as good as their chorus. 665 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.279 That chorus is kind of nails down a short board. Again, 666 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.119 I struggle to explain to myself. 667 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.559 Necessarily slariness about it, and like I said, that's what 668 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.279 I'm trying to U. I suppose convey the like this 669 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.960 is different to even take a promise everything right. Twenty tens, 670 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.279 when they were again a more like run for cover type, 671 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.119 you know, alternate rock band, there is a slightly more 672 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:14.000 whoa kind of happened to this record to encaps it 673 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.920 the exact feeling very articulately there compared to those. 674 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:21.279 Which ahead yeah, and that thing when it's done well 675 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.839 can be fantastic. There are plenty of bands who whether 676 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:26.799 singer's kind of warming all over the shop and it 677 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.759 suits it. But Basement to me just seemed like quite 678 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.160 a nice, polite bunch of guys. So for them, but 679 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.000 I'm a crazy you don't know what I want to 680 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.599 do next. It's like I probably do. Actually, I probably 681 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:39.680 can predict your behavior quite comfortably. It's it comes across 682 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.400 as a bit like he wants to be Frank Black, 683 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.680 but he's not as weird as him fundamentally, and it 684 00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:48.440 feels a weird thing to mark against someone that they're 685 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.039 not weird enough. But that is kind of how I 686 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.279 feel listening to moments like that. 687 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:54.599 Yeah, maybe a little bit, but I would say that, 688 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.920 you know, element that we're trying to articulate there is. 689 00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.839 Maybe it's like a ten percent, you know, like it's 690 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.880 not a dramatic shifting of their identity. And that's why 691 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.759 the record still does, for the most part work. It's 692 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.680 not a yeah, consideringly, all the nostalgia stuff that's going 693 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.200 on with Color me kind in this anniverse and everything, 694 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:11.680 the fact that they've come back, and it's not like 695 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:15.440 it does feel like it's a return to that fan base. Maybe, 696 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.079 but it's not just a carbon copy of that sound, 697 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.880 and there are you know, fair evolutions in it. I 698 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.039 think that does mean that it's maybe not as immediately 699 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:28.000 infectious to like an outsider then you know either of 700 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.039 their last like couple of records before this, it is 701 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:32.720 you know, if you had put it in their catalog, 702 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.319 it feels like it's the one for them, which at 703 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.160 this stage, you know, coming back, you know, work it 704 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.720 like fifteen up to twenty years even after they started, 705 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:41.119 like fair enough if you're going to come back to do 706 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.240 it for the right reasons. I wouldn't personally call it 707 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.480 one of their very best albums, but I also crucially 708 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.400 after all this time, I wouldn't call it a letdown. 709 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:50.319 It is good to have Basement back as a you know, 710 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.960 creatively active, relevant band. And if you've not heard the 711 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:56.799 albums I made before this, maybe you just no cover 712 00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:59.319 from when it got virally massive. Go and listen to 713 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.440 Promise Everything. Go listen to Preside myself. They offer some 714 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.559 of the great flavors as well. Elliott, if you have 715 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.880 quite enjoyed this record, do you feel like there's any 716 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.759 chance or two if you're going back and you know, 717 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.400 getting a little bit more out of the classic Basement records? 718 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:12.880 Yeah, I think I will know if I had to 719 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:14.359 come on and you said this is brilliant, this is 720 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:15.799 the best one. Yeah, I probably wouldn't have done. 721 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:16.079 But you. 722 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.200 Know, I like this, but the previous stuff is better. 723 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.559 That definitely has me curious, because, like I said, I 724 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.640 like this record. I don't think it goes up against 725 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.000 the likes of Pony and Joyce Maner the records they've 726 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.480 had this year. But I like it as much as 727 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.839 I remember liking Basement, and if this is weaker than 728 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.480 those previous ones, I'm absolutely going to go and reinvestigate. 729 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.160 Well, there you go, wired By Basement and then our 730 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.240 bigger dog review on the more metal side is a 731 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.680 more contemporary band, but they have rocketed up its Frozen 732 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.960 Soul and no Place of Warmth, which is completely fucking 733 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.119 untrue right now, isn't it. There are lots of places 734 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.359 of extreme warmth, but you should know Frozen sol By. 735 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.839 Now we have reviewed every one of their albums from 736 00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.720 crypt of Ice in twenty twenty one. Doesn't that sound nice? 737 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:03.160 A Cryptodvice through to Glacial Domination in twenty twenty three, 738 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.279 and now this Frozen Soul are maybe not the most 739 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:08.559 particular of them, but I think in some ways they 740 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.840 are the most archetypal of what has become the wave 741 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.320 of popular young death metal bands in the twenty twenties, 742 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:18.360 the stepping stones of like Maggot Stomp Records, to getting 743 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.960 popular with hardcore kids, to signing to a big metal 744 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.760 label and now getting call ins and favors from like 745 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.000 actual genre icons. Frozen Sol's rise has been very emblematic 746 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.599 of that particular trajectory for me. They've also been one 747 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.719 of my preferred of those bands. I like them more 748 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.719 than Sangue Sugarbug, I like them more than two hundred 749 00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:35.840 Stab Wounds. I like them more than Tribal Gaze. I 750 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.039 think both of those first two albums are excellent for 751 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.159 essentially straightforward, groovy, catchy death metal, the kind that makes 752 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.159 you want to pick up a spiked mason clob on 753 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.639 someone's head in I think that you could very much. 754 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.559 You could come from a different angle looking for death 755 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.280 metal that is more complicated or underground or elaborate or 756 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.119 evil or what have you, but for striking the absolute 757 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.239 core bulls of like what is death metal? And why 758 00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:58.079 do people like it? 759 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.840 Good band Frozen Sol. Yeah, I really like Frozen Soul. 760 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.039 The first two records excellent but in quite different way. 761 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.079 Is the first one that murky, frosty sort of thing, 762 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.320 and then the second one with that matthe heathw production 763 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.960 way bigger and crisp, and I like the space they 764 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.000 operate where they're not the most extreme any one thing, 765 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.199 but they're not the nastiest, they're not the most pure 766 00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:19.920 are they're not the most disgusting, they're not the most 767 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.480 ambitious or whatever it is. They just lean on the 768 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.159 sort of commercial glory days of death Mel, like the Covenant, 769 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.519 like Bolt Thrower, Heartwork, all of that sort of thing. 770 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.800 Big Columbia Records Death Mel feels like the thing that 771 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.239 they lean on, and it's nice that there's a band 772 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.639 who are able to do that without sounding like, you know, 773 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:46.119 a lighter, less interesting, less flavors and version than their peers, 774 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.199 because they've got not just the frost thing when you 775 00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.119 can tell you're listening to frozen soul when you're listening 776 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:52.480 to them. 777 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.679 Absolutely, and they have made like clear for what you 778 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.719 could describe as quite meat and potatoes sat They have 779 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.719 made clear like jumps between each record, which not every 780 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.639 band with a similar sort of you could describe that 781 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:04.840 kind of sound, you know, makes those kind of leaps, because, 782 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.880 as you're saying, Cryptovice, I think is probably still my 783 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:09.320 favorite hour of theirs. When it comes down to it, 784 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:12.239 that feel of like the cold school death metal as 785 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.079 they describe themselves, where it is like some big prehistoric 786 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.440 monster thoring out of a block of ice. I do 787 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.199 think that is more than a gimmick because they evoke 788 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.639 that really well. Like even the vocalist Chad, there is 789 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.400 something about his growls where he sounds like he's huffing 790 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.239 out big icy breaths crystallizing in the air, you know 791 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.760 what I mean. And that first record gets it really well. 792 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.679 It's the purest form of Frozen Soul, but glacial domination 793 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:34.639 when it came to going you know a little more 794 00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.920 as you say, a little more like Mayhem. Thest above Ground 795 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.639 co produced by Met Hafi, Glossier sounds stronger emphasis on 796 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.000 the melody at times, even sort of like a monomath 797 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.559 adjacent I think that was the right way to go 798 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.679 about that particular step, I suppose if they were going 799 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.280 to take it, because it didn't alienate the core things 800 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.360 I liked about Frozen Soul, and it made that transition well. 801 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.440 This album no place of warmth. It is the most 802 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.320 openly we are a popular band now Frozen Soul have 803 00:36:58.360 --> 00:36:59.679 ever been. You know, when you look at the track 804 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.760 list and some of the features they're calling in on it, 805 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:05.639 this is only a buzz band could have had the 806 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.840 capability to make this record. And I have started to see, 807 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.599 you know, there was already a wing of death metal 808 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:14.039 fans that aren't interested in these more you know, hardcore 809 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.280 crowd adjacent death metal bands. I would rather listen to 810 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.480 Necrofar instead. But particularly in the build up to this record, 811 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.400 I've seen in certain areas like a real backlash against 812 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.440 Frozen Soul and you know, again this kind of meat 813 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.039 a potato style and what this record might be doing. 814 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.039 This is a third Frozen Sol album that I do like. 815 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.519 I still think that they are a good band worth 816 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.760 keeping up with. Unlike the first two, I have some 817 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.599 problems with this one that do cap my enjoyment of it. 818 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.880 I'm again I'm the same. I was wondering if I 819 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.000 was going to come on and be the Debbie Downer 820 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.719 this time around, but there is stuff about this record 821 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:49.400 that I think is great. I am noticeably less keen 822 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.800 this time around than I was on the last two, 823 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:53.840 I'm be curious to see if it's the same stuff. 824 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.000 But yeah, yeah, so positives. First of all, Frozen Soul 825 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.199 can fucking groove. Like that is when you're saying they're 826 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.360 not the most puerile or brutal or whatever, I think 827 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:04.440 that is their superpower as a death metal band. Like 828 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.800 they're obviously not the most technical or brutal or the 829 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.719 most scummy and evil, but they can groove and they 830 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.599 make you involuntarily bob your head. Of all the bands 831 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.920 doing like the bolt Thrower, you know, tank groove with 832 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.719 the heavy rolling double bass, they have always been one 833 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.159 of the chief inheritors of that. We're now an interesting 834 00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.639 point where we're hearing what that groove sounds like wild 835 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.440 transfigurated into like a bigger band, you know, and that 836 00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:29.000 is that was part of what I enjoyed about Glacial Demonation, 837 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.400 and to an extent that's still true. Here I mentioned 838 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.519 the guest features, which I suppose are the immediate like 839 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.039 headline grabbing thing about this, like when this particular single 840 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.079 came out and then the week that he came out 841 00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.519 to perform it with them, as well. Gerard Way adding, 842 00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:48.840 like another extreme metal guest feature under his belt after 843 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.119 you know, the black metal dalliance on the Ibaraki record. 844 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.920 I like that he's clearly interested in and engaged with 845 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.559 extreme metal and he wants a trying out and going 846 00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.679 like death metal on the title track, Well give big 847 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.960 of that. It's definitely And what were saying about the 848 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.679 features on this, they are things that no other deafinitteal. 849 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.480 Record quite has. Features like this Gerard feature. 850 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:11.599 I mean, I think he's got the best feature of 851 00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.559 the lot, and it's quite agree it doesn't if you 852 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.880 didn't know that was Gerard Way, you have no way 853 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.840 of working it out because he's not sung on this 854 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.119 like this on anything popular, and even on the Ibraqi record, 855 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:26.920 he's not doing this kind of gnulled, more necrotic style 856 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.199 that he's doing. It's funny that, like, we live in 857 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.639 a world where if you want to get a bath 858 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.039 to do a guest feature on your record, you're actually 859 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.159 pretty better off getting Gerard Way because he kind of 860 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.119 is a similar thing, and he's more available and he's brilliant. 861 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.320 I think that the test of a great guest vocal, 862 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.320 and this might come up again later, is if it 863 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.719 sounds different enough to be worth doing in the first place, 864 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:49.360 but coherent enough to not feel disconnected. And the way 865 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.800 that he comes in, even for just his pair of lines, 866 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.599 he just adds this sort of like characterfulness to the song, 867 00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:58.599 and especially as the open I think that's great because 868 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.320 the band with the riff and the like the sort 869 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:05.880 of annual morricone thing intro at the beginning, they've done 870 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.440 a lot of the world building and just having this 871 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.760 voice come out of the darkness and sort of wretched 872 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.119 at you for a couple of lines and know Hing's 873 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.320 Gerard way, it is a really inviting an impressive way 874 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:17.239 to open the record. 875 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.800 Yeah, I think the chorus in that song from Chad 876 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.039 is great as well, and like really legible, Like I 877 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.199 think he's worked on his diction and that you know, 878 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.360 no mercy, no peace in this moment, you have. 879 00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.400 No power over me. That's killer. But jeredd I agree. 880 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.719 Like there's another feature letter on with the guy from 881 00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.000 Sangue Sugarbok, and that is more like the kind of 882 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.000 feature that you were saying that it fits in the world, 883 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.360 but it doesn't jump out right because it's another you know, 884 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.400 similarly brutal death metal guy. 885 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:43.360 Whereas this one it is cohesive in the world. 886 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.199 But it really leaps out at you and it makes 887 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:46.800 the you know, because he has a completely different voice, 888 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.599 really abrasive, works really really well and like straight into 889 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.559 a two step part as well. The flip side of 890 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.360 the one that like really stands out is Rob Flynn 891 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.519 on invoke War and he is like not trying to 892 00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.400 do a you know, a voice. He's doing the typical 893 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.000 Rob Flynn start low and then you raise your talking. 894 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.559 But I said, which I know that we hate so 895 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.840 many bands doing that. Rob Flynn, I feel like, is 896 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.280 one of the people who owns that right, Like he 897 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.079 was doing that in the nineties, so we're not demanding 898 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.239 that he changes it. It's weird hearing it in a 899 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.480 death metal record. I don't dislike it. I don't know 900 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:21.679 if you're about to to maybe say you do dislike it, 901 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:23.920 I'm not sure. But it is like it's the most 902 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.440 like this is weird, and it's like it's bizarre to 903 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.599 be saying that Rob Flynn is a more odd fit 904 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:30.800 on the metal record than. 905 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:33.960 I think. 906 00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:35.679 On one hand, it's cool, like the first time you're 907 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:37.679 hearing you kind of smile and go, yeah, there's Rob 908 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.679 Flynn and he's he's on these on the death Metal record, 909 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.239 it also sounds pretty fucking stupid. I've got to be honest, 910 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.760 Like the time that comes in on the realistens, it's like, Rob, 911 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.360 this is like I know what you're saying, Like we'll 912 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.320 let him off for doing it, because he did pioneer it, 913 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.519 but it just it sounds dark now. It's it sounds 914 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:56.440 silly even on Machine Head records, when he's coming in 915 00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.039 on this frozen Soul thing. If it was more like 916 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:02.360 he's bombarded it more than was invited, it doesn't really 917 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.840 add any I don't know, tension or even necessarily flavor. 918 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.079 It's it's I'm listening to that. It's more it feels 919 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.119 more like an interruption. It's like a weird cameo in 920 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.800 a film. So, oh fuck Rob Flynn, right, okay, it's 921 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.199 it kind of ejects me out of the record, which 922 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:19.519 I don't know. Maybe if it was later in the record, 923 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.880 they'd be more built up for me to stick around for. 924 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:25.320 But track two that does feel a bit I don't know, 925 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.599 a drastic. 926 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.960 I mean it's bold as well to or more like 927 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.920 it's trying to really, you know, make a statement with 928 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:33.599 them that it's got those two songs with you know, 929 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:36.039 the two celebrities on it basically you know, is track 930 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.840 one and track two. Again, I don't mind the Robin 931 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.039 so much. The Gerrard one is great and there are 932 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.199 moments of what amounts you like rockstar energy in a 933 00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.639 definite record. I think Eyes of Despair, the shred that 934 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.239 kicks it off is wicked because it has that like 935 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.159 Texas crossover thrash energy that is part of the scene 936 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:55.760 they're around with, Like you know, we mentioned on the 937 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.559 New Show last week the Iron Age cover with one 938 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.719 of the guitarist from Frozen Soul on it like that 939 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:03.880 kind of like Texas crossover hardcore thrash is like part 940 00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:05.760 of their DNA because they're you know, in and around 941 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.719 that scene and hearing it through come through on a 942 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.960 death metal song like that is is killer. You also 943 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.880 still have the mosh factor is very much up Ethereal Dreams, 944 00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.039 Death Weather, Skinned by the Wind, which is just a 945 00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:19.199 Mortician song like that is just a minute and a 946 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.519 half of the spirit of wil Rama coming to raid 947 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.079 their fridge for beers. A lot of this record does 948 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:29.000 have that, like Mortician, you know, directly into beat down, 949 00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:32.199 pit ready kind of slam dance parts, you know, being 950 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.679 funneled through this large again death metal filter. Some death 951 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.239 metal heads might not want that, but it's a trick 952 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.679 that does essentially work. The gloriously named Killing Time until 953 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.239 It's Time to Kill at the end, which has a 954 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.960 hook that is so genuinely gangster. 955 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:48.880 Born to chill but bread to kill, I'm killing. 956 00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.840 Time and Dylan to Gil that is put plainly the 957 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.920 most swagged out death metal song of the year. 958 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.880 That is that could be a guass song. I love it. 959 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.239 It's a I mean, the song's I knew I loved it, 960 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.360 but it's a cool way to end the record by 961 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:05.800 going a bit sort of rock and roll and swinging 962 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.360 at the end like rue. Yeah. There's rockstar energy across 963 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.400 the record, but leaning into it so hard on the 964 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:15.880 last song. It's badass and it's so unlike anything else 965 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.440 on the record. It's just it's so much fun. I 966 00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:20.559 almost wish they didn't save it for the end because it, 967 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:22.320 for the other hand, it doesn't end the album. Want 968 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:23.599 to high Yeah. 969 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:24.920 I like it at the end because there is something 970 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.360 a bit more you know, openly humorous about it, and 971 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.639 it feels, you know, we've done the corn Special right 972 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:30.920 almost the Glory Days. If you go back and you 973 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:32.159 reach the end, it's like, oh, they having a bit of 974 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:33.639 a laugh. But it also is, unlike a lot of 975 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:35.760 those cool ones, is a genuinely sick song. 976 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:36.199 You know. 977 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.360 You've got Absolute Zero as well, which was the pre 978 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.159 release song that we spoke about that condenses the frozen 979 00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:45.079 soul sound into a fifty three second slam piece. Basically, 980 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.079 it's so short that when I first heard it, you know, 981 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.519 as the single, my major shortcoming the album wasn't really 982 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.360 so apparent. But that is a great little blast. My 983 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.400 primary problem with this and why I'm a bit reluctant 984 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.119 to super endorse it as much as I like, you know, 985 00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.280 some of the actual songs on this this production was 986 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.920 a massive mistake. Like I said, the last album co 987 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.480 produced by Matt Hayfey, and they somehow there struck a 988 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:08.400 balance between sounding like a big popular metal band and 989 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.760 still being a heavy death metal band. This one, they've 990 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.679 gone to Josh Schroeder, who most recently has become known 991 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.519 for being one of the go to guys for the 992 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.079 current wave of big death core bands. Like most obviously, 993 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.840 he's produced the last few Lorna Shaw albums, but he's 994 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.519 also done Mental Cruelty Signs, the Swarm of Sulfur like 995 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.360 loads those bands. He's one of their guys. And as 996 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.079 much as there are things that you know, we admire 997 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.760 and compliment about Lorna Shaw, we have been sticklers for 998 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.039 how their albums sound a little bit and it doesn't 999 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.960 fit Frozen Soul at all because they've not even got 1000 00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.400 the excess that a Lorna Shaw can mask it up with. 1001 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.039 You know, They've got like the little bits of you know, 1002 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.440 playing with eighties horror films, so synthatros and stuff like that, 1003 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:48.039 but that's not you know, the Lorna Shaw symphonics plastering everything. 1004 00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:52.239 What you have the core fundamentals of, like guitar, drums, 1005 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.280 bass is what Frozen Souls bread and butter is. And 1006 00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.800 the word I keep coming back to for this is plasticky, 1007 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:02.960 Like the drum sound is bad, like plastic snare, clicky bass. 1008 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.079 Yeah. Yeah, this is one of my two major issues, 1009 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.480 but maybe the most major of them. It just it 1010 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.760 sucks so much of the atmosphere out of the record 1011 00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:13.280 for such a huge part about the first to where 1012 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:14.639 as much as they are hulking and as much as 1013 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:16.559 they are groovy and catch and all of that stuff, 1014 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.280 that feeling of it legitimately being cold is just kind 1015 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.199 of gone here. It insists upon how cold it is 1016 00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.199 more than actually feels that way. And it means that 1017 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:29.840 a song like Skinned by the Wind musically, You're right, 1018 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.039 sounds like Mortician. That song will hijack your taxi. But 1019 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:38.639 with this production job, it's just kind of sounds tame 1020 00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.679 and not nearly as dangerous as any Mortician song, which 1021 00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:45.840 sounds like shit technically but perfect for the thing that is. 1022 00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:48.320 It ends up just making the record sound sort of 1023 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.360 sluggish and dead. Yeah. 1024 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.480 I want death metal to have guts to it, you know, 1025 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:55.920 and this sounds thin like it doesn't have that depth 1026 00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:57.719 to it. And because even as the odd bit on 1027 00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:59.719 it where they go for a sort of like sub 1028 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.440 drop pish, you know, like big explosion moment and they 1029 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.800 clip the mix like Eyes to Despair, which I mentioned 1030 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.880 as being one of the better songs, has one in it, 1031 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.119 the drop bit right at the end sounds like it glitches, 1032 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.400 like it's not layered I executed well within the mix 1033 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:17.280 at all. I'm actually quite surprised like that someone let 1034 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.639 that go out you know, like on a professional sounding record, 1035 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:25.119 because it's not the thing of you know, a you know, 1036 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.840 this is a too shiny, too professional mix. Now there 1037 00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.519 are things on it which sound more amateurish than when 1038 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.679 they were more DIY, you know, because how do you 1039 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.079 let that like awful again and kind of drop moment 1040 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.880 that breaks the like comprehension of the sound go out. 1041 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:41.599 But to me it's it's it's all about before. But 1042 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.000 how like there was a post to the hell Fire 1043 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:45.679 where suddenly every Death Course song it was just a 1044 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.760 competition to see who could have the most laughable breakdown part. 1045 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.400 This doesn't quite do that. But there are parts of 1046 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.360 this record I thought, this feels like it's been written 1047 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.360 for someone to react to on twitch where it's like 1048 00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:58.400 if I pull the face at this part and go, 1049 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.280 oh my god, that's so loud and so heavy, it 1050 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:03.800 doesn't really matter if it has much weight to it 1051 00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.280 or much of a pulse. It's just is they said. 1052 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.159 The loudness feels like it's compensated for something. 1053 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.039 Yeah, the chorus and the song frost fags as well, 1054 00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.400 like somehow starts like buzzing like almost randomly, I don't 1055 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.719 know why, like it should be a more professional, leveled 1056 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.000 out production job, but actually sounds less. So it's really 1057 00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.199 weird and it's kind of unpleasant and not in a 1058 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.079 way I want my death metal to be unpleasant, you know. 1059 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.960 And the core pleasure of Frozen Soul being this like hulking, 1060 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.920 you know, blood soaked mass writhing out of the ice, 1061 00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:32.079 slithering around you. 1062 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.079 The riffs are still good, Chad is still one. 1063 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.880 Of the best, most recognizable vocalists of this crop, I think, 1064 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:41.920 but that pleasure is lessened with the recording being so obnoxious. 1065 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:44.159 What was your other You're saying you've got two primary 1066 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:45.559 problems with this. For me, the production is really the 1067 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.599 main one. What's your kind of other problem? Is what 1068 00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.039 you were just sort of suggesting with the leaning more 1069 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.039 on the that's called on the twitch moments. 1070 00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.119 Yeah, it's connected to that. I mean, fundamentally, I think 1071 00:48:56.119 --> 00:49:00.880 this record's too slow, which I know is really shitty 1072 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.159 things to say, but it's like like you said at 1073 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:05.880 the top, but like, they're so good at the hulk 1074 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.800 and the groove that I can understand why they would 1075 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:10.440 want to lean into that and do more of it. 1076 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.159 The songs here just so many of them feel like 1077 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.039 they don't get going, and it means it sounds like 1078 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.079 thirty five minutes long, and so much of it feels 1079 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:18.679 like a slog. And I just think that when you 1080 00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:22.480 have those moments on previous records are so effective, when 1081 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.880 it really slams into me and it goes full you know, 1082 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:29.400 Bolt Thrower, Pantera, all that sort of thing, like Machine 1083 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:33.199 had that kind of influence. If that's only effective if 1084 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.199 you have some speed and some nimbleness to counter out 1085 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.960 those big punch moments when the whole song is just 1086 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:40.960 sort of going like dug a gun, dug a gun, 1087 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.320 dug a gun, and then the next song is going done, 1088 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:48.960 get gun, done, gig. It just it means that for me, 1089 00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:51.679 like there's kind there's no real tension, and that the 1090 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:55.559 sensation of how heavy and powerful it is, especially not 1091 00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.480 helped by the production job, is kind of gone three 1092 00:49:58.519 --> 00:49:58.880 songs in. 1093 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:01.800 Yeah, I can understand what you're saying. I do think, well, 1094 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.360 that's what you know. Cryptovice, for example, did so well 1095 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.079 that kind of you know, the balance of those elements that. 1096 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:06.800 You're talking about there. 1097 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:08.760 For me, I'm at sort of an impasse with this 1098 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.079 where I like a lot of what they're playing here, 1099 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.159 it's still like they have a sound, and it still 1100 00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.239 sounds like them. There is much to enjoy and I 1101 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:17.679 hope that Frozen Sou will keep up, you know, the 1102 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.760 momentum that they've got behind them. But this is the 1103 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.199 worst that that sound has sounded for them because they're 1104 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:26.679 not being complimented and popular death metal bands, please do 1105 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.079 not go with the trendy death core producers or anyone 1106 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:31.679 who's going to add a bit of octane into your 1107 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:33.760 sound or whatever. It does not make you sound good 1108 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.599 like You should embrace sounding like a real death metal 1109 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.760 band because that's what people like you for, you know. 1110 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.039 And yeah, like I said, I do still enjoy a 1111 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:43.719 lot of the record. Killing time until It's time to 1112 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.679 kill is a stone cold jam, right, But I do 1113 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.039 wish that I liked this record as much as they 1114 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.920 do their prior too, And there is a primary, like 1115 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:53.639 you know, reasons what I can point to is to 1116 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.559 be like that you should change next time around. But 1117 00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:59.400 there you go, Frozen Soul, no place of warmth. We 1118 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.280 leave that behind to go to Haggard Cat and the 1119 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.920 Pain The Orbits. Haggard Cat, if you are not familiar, 1120 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.920 are a two piece made up of Matt and Tom, 1121 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:12.480 who respectively were the frontman and drummer of Heck Slash 1122 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:16.679 Baby Godzilla. Heck, the fantastic modern Matthey hardcore band who 1123 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:20.199 in twenty sixteen released one brilliant album and then unfortunately 1124 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.719 split up. They performed on and off to do isolated shows. 1125 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.840 They're playing what I think might be actually their proper 1126 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.800 final show at ARP Tangent this year. Aside from one 1127 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.199 random single that appeared a few years ago and gave 1128 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.840 us some hope before they disappeared again. Creatively, that band 1129 00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:34.880 seems to be fully done now. Haggard Cat is the 1130 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.639 project that emerged in the immediate aftermath of Heck with 1131 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.199 half of those guys doing something, but it was a 1132 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:41.159 fairly different prospect. 1133 00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:41.760 Elliott. 1134 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.719 We will share an appreciation for Heck. I must say 1135 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:47.519 the first two Haggard Cat albums that appeared in twenty 1136 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:50.800 eighteen and twenty twenty. Long gap between those one and 1137 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.679 you know this resurfacing now. I did not really go 1138 00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.440 with Haggard Cat. I didn't mind them, but in terms 1139 00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:59.719 of actually being you know, grabbed by what they were doing, 1140 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.960 in acting with them in a meaningful way, it didn't happen, 1141 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.159 and It wasn't that just oh it doesn't sound like 1142 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:06.920 heck or whatever you might say, because it made sense 1143 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.039 that breaking up that band you would do something different. 1144 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.800 But personally, for me, it was a case of, you know, 1145 00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:12.960 I give you my blessing and I let you go, 1146 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.599 rather than being really drawn to go with them. Were 1147 00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.239 you any different with Haggard Cat? 1148 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:20.559 Oh no, it's gonna sell like I'm copying you again, because. 1149 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.239 That's at some point today we have to disagree. 1150 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.039 That is that was? That was exactly my experience. It 1151 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.760 was for me, it was similar to when the six 1152 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:30.559 eight came out after the Chariot and it was like, 1153 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.559 we have a sharrier and now we have the six A, 1154 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:35.360 and that's I'm not I'm not a fan of the 1155 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.239 six or much worse than that fever three through three 1156 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:41.440 after let there is there is a if. 1157 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:43.199 We should not compare Haggard Cat too, that would. 1158 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.360 Be so especially it gets out of the moment for me, 1159 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.519 like that starle of sort of garage punk has pretty 1160 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.000 little appeal to me anyway, Like the absolute classics of 1161 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.320 that genre I like, but the two piece sort of 1162 00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.239 bass player drama drama, I just find it that exciting 1163 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.840 even though it's best and I thought the Haggard Cat 1164 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.599 records were maybe better than a lot of stuff in 1165 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.000 that scene. But like you said, I just kind of went, 1166 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.840 it's not as remarkable as Heck was. You guys, you know, 1167 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:11.719 good luck with it. 1168 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.239 Yeah, And as you're saying, they've they've gone from the 1169 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:15.519 kind of math core side of what they're doing with 1170 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.679 Heck into this more like really noisy, sort of blues 1171 00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.599 rock thing with Haggard Cat. This album a lot more, 1172 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.599 you know, in the making than those other ones. Obviously, 1173 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:27.880 it's their first album post COVID they have resurfaced. And 1174 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.639 because I didn't really have any you know, anticipation for 1175 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.599 a Haggard Cat album, because I've been lukewarm on them historically, 1176 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.400 I was really taken aback when I heard this one, 1177 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.719 because it is it is doing something different, I think, 1178 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.480 and if you are someone who feels like you might 1179 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:44.599 know where you sit oh in Haggard Cat. The reason 1180 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:46.639 I wanted to review this is to go do check 1181 00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:48.199 this out if you were gonna otherwise skip over it, 1182 00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:51.800 because this feels like Haggard Cat shooting their shot to 1183 00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.440 really make something out there and gonzo, you know what, 1184 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:57.000 I mean, this. 1185 00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.639 Feels a bit like when Dinosaur Pile Up did celebrit Mansions, 1186 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:02.880 where it was like, oh, like this band you've kind 1187 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:04.920 of had been around, but it didn't seem like people 1188 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.039 were that excited by it. Making something really bold and 1189 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:10.920 fun and off the wall and throwing stuff in that 1190 00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.440 you would never normally associate with this style of music 1191 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.840 and pulling it off. And I think this record kind 1192 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.679 of does that. Like it's I went in just purely 1193 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:21.920 expecting a sort of Queens of the Stone Age, you know, 1194 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.400 fu Man Chewy, that sort of thing, kind of the 1195 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.440 Black Keys, but hardcore. This has got all sorts of 1196 00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.000 stuff in it. 1197 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:30.599 Nuts this record. 1198 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.920 Fundamentally, I was like the band names I was writing 1199 00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.800 down to draw comparisons from, I thought I'd have maybe 1200 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.199 four at the end of it. They were like twenty 1201 00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:41.840 bands that were come into mind, and some of them, 1202 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:44.239 again I would never have associated them with Haggard Cat 1203 00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.159 before this record, but it's all here. 1204 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:49.800 Yeah, this it sturns its feet in what Haggard Cat were. 1205 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.440 But they have just somehow, for some you know, decision 1206 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.280 or whatever, they've blown up the boundaries of what was 1207 00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.559 going on with that band on this record. It's much 1208 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:03.199 more massively minded, and I was thinking about, I don't 1209 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:04.519 know if this is a band one of the twenty 1210 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.239 you've written down. I was thinking about cave In a 1211 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.880 lot during this, and the jumps that they made from 1212 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.840 their earlier stuff into now we're going to be a 1213 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.519 space rock band and we're going to play prog. Except 1214 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.159 this is still so noisy at the same time as 1215 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:18.960 doing that, It's like if cave In were a malfunctioning 1216 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.760 robot or had like an anthetamine field meltdown. Like this 1217 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:25.079 is a nutty, nutty record. The first sound you hear 1218 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:28.480 on it is like science Museum. I'm in the observatory 1219 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.199 looking at the stars, synth oscillations and like again, kind 1220 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.360 of cave In e league guitar, and then you know, 1221 00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.519 the riff comes in and it does rock in the 1222 00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.360 way that you know both parts of the Heck record, 1223 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:42.159 and obviously Haggard Cat can plainly rock with a thick, 1224 00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.000 old groove, but it feels at the beginning like you are, 1225 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.400 you know, clicking your starship into gear, and you can 1226 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:49.679 sense that there is going to be more to where 1227 00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:51.159 this record is going to take you right from the 1228 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:52.000 opening seconds of it. 1229 00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.039 Yeah, That's when I was completely caught off guard because 1230 00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:57.199 like that riff kind of in the mold of things 1231 00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:58.719 like refused at the drive and you can see where 1232 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.880 the influence has come from. But there's these layered techno bits, 1233 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.519 which not only is the weird for a band of 1234 00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:06.840 this style, but just the makeup of them. It's a 1235 00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.000 two piece bass player on a drama and obviously a 1236 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:13.039 studio project. There's a different or maybe a lack thereof 1237 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.880 of limitations there. But it just felt like they were 1238 00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:17.719 throwing so much more at it, and it meant that 1239 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:19.679 the whole thing feel was more exciting, where that things 1240 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:21.280 are playing off each other in the way that they 1241 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.039 haven't done on previous Haggard Cat records, where when his 1242 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:27.400 vocal performance is elevating and there's now sort of these 1243 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:31.119 panic inducing sour synths to go along with it, it's 1244 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.960 so much more colorful than any other material I've heard 1245 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:35.519 from them. 1246 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:37.639 Yeah, I mean this is one of the most You 1247 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.800 are brave as a two piece to be putting this 1248 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:43.400 many layers into your record album that you could possibly 1249 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.239 hear like, how the fuck are you going to try 1250 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:49.800 and pull all this off? Because it is jam packed, 1251 00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:54.000 like absolutely spilling over with ideas a lot of the time, 1252 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.079 Like these songs have the core amount of ideas that 1253 00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.639 they would have for the conventional song of their run time, 1254 00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.639 and then they somehow jam an extra few minutes worth 1255 00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:06.320 into like what was on top of already there. And 1256 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.480 like I said, these like you know, proggy post hardcore bands, 1257 00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:12.280 I suppose is the main kind of realm that you're 1258 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.360 drawing through, but also some of the more hard rock 1259 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:17.559 stuff as well. Like during the track Saw, I was thinking, 1260 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:20.519 if you miss Black Peaks and that kind of progressively 1261 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:22.800 minded post hardcore, you might get a bit of it 1262 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:24.679 from a riff like that track. It has that kind 1263 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:26.719 of majestic gate to it. And then you've got a 1264 00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.920 song like Apnea, which is this really odd ball off 1265 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.400 kilter drum and guitar groove that starts off a song 1266 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:35.440 that's nearly eight minutes long, and it goes through some 1267 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:40.239 crazy passages like really slinging out guitar parts left, right 1268 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.239 and center. The mega like stoner blues riff that it 1269 00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.840 arrives at at five minutes in that it like marches 1270 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:49.119 through to the end with is wicked. But by the 1271 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:50.960 point it reaches that and you can just glide out 1272 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.400 on that rift. It feels like it has like whipped 1273 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.760 you around with no concern for your well being. 1274 00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.000 Yeah, if that song relyminds me at aol in a way, 1275 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.760 that tool will like an idea for ages. They somehow 1276 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.000 managed to create that feeling while throwing loads of stuff 1277 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:06.920 at you, because it's not eight minutes of this you know, 1278 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.840 seven eight groove that hypnotizes you. It's this is more 1279 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.039 like undertow kind of tool, where it's you know, it's 1280 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.440 it's the dynamics of that thing and throwing different stuff 1281 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:18.760 out you and having these discord and passages mapped up 1282 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:22.280 next to these quite ellergic ones, which again really took 1283 00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.199 me by surprise and some of the maybe this is 1284 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.199 a more direct reference, but I was saying, this reminds 1285 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:29.480 you of like Hawkeyes and Black Peaks, and like the sort 1286 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:33.000 of early twenty tens bands of this kind that we 1287 00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:34.880 had here in Britain, who you know, in the case 1288 00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.320 of both of those bands seems to have gone away And 1289 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.599 like you say, eight minutes long and it's captivating the 1290 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:43.719 whole time. It's they've got a few of those on 1291 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:45.920 this recer, not necessarily all long, but in the way 1292 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:49.239 that they're throwing things out there like halcion. This is 1293 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:51.800 a bit nerdy, I warn you now. But I was 1294 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.800 reading the other day about how Circumstances by Rush has 1295 00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.920 nine time signature changes in its first eleven measures, and 1296 00:58:57.960 --> 00:58:59.400 I was listening to and I was like, oh my god, 1297 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:03.039 they're I'd never noticed that. You have no idea listening 1298 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:05.199 to it because it works so naturally. This has a 1299 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:07.400 bit of that where it's like, I'm not sure what 1300 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.519 the riff quote unquote of that song is, but it 1301 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.440 also seems to repeat a lot, but it's different every 1302 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.880 single time without tripping over itself to be complex. It's 1303 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:18.679 I think that's again it's a that's a side of 1304 00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:21.679 quality and man's like this or like with songwriters of 1305 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:23.800 this style and they've got it. 1306 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:26.800 And that song also has a rave synth in it, 1307 00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.599 Like you've said all that that song, I've not spoken 1308 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.960 about how glowed sticks, the synth part. 1309 00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.480 Woodblocks and the scrapy fish from music Class. It's just 1310 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.559 like everything everything's on there. 1311 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.360 Yeah, I think what there isn't really with this record 1312 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.639 is that much concern for making it more accessible. I suppose, 1313 00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:46.480 like you know, we were saying this about basement. This 1314 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:51.360 is unshamedly noisy and abrasive. The hooks that do exist 1315 00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.679 from matter are often like, you know, gargling, I hate 1316 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:55.119 it here or whatever. There's a bit in the After 1317 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:58.239 Love where he's briefly stuck in a wash cycle like 1318 00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:02.119 genuinely turns into like an android. He is howling in 1319 01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:05.119 your ear the whole way. Even when he does sing 1320 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.000 sometimes it's weirdly kind of left field. There's a song 1321 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:10.920 Landscapes he goes a bit never more like that's not 1322 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.000 what it's expected to write down. But they do their 1323 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.119 proga bettle ballad on Landscapes and that's weird as fuck. 1324 01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.639 But with all of the you know, space rock production overload, 1325 01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:22.960 it's like blasting a lot into your ear at any 1326 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:26.079 given time. And I say, this is you could categorize 1327 01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.599 it as Haggard Cat's rock album, but it's not Sorry, 1328 01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:31.119 their prog album. But it's not like they've toned down 1329 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.199 the chaos for that. If anything, it is more overwhelming 1330 01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.239 for being so Yeah. 1331 01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.480 When I saw this was fifty minutes long, part, we thought, ah, 1332 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:41.480 this is gonna be you know, repetitive, and it's gonna 1333 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:46.280 be a bit conbersome. Yeah, it's almost the opposite, or 1334 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.039 that's kind of true, bit of different way. It's like 1335 01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:49.559 fifty minutes now when I look at that and go, 1336 01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:51.639 this is this is an ordeal because it's gonna be 1337 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:53.320 so much stuff around me in that time, it's gonna 1338 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.039 be no time to come up for air. And as 1339 01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:58.159 a run of songs like these songs aren't you know, 1340 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.000 there's ten of them, it's fifty minutes songs. These songs aren't, 1341 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:04.280 which again typical of this sort of band. That's just 1342 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:05.880 because they go all over the place, and like the 1343 01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.079 first couple of listens, I was trying to track which 1344 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.119 parts belongs to which song, and I just I love 1345 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:12.639 that freedom of songwriting they've got. 1346 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:16.679 Yeah, And maybe it's because they are, you know, spicing 1347 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.280 up and varying it with these other insane ideas as well. 1348 01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.119 But I feel like the rock stuff on this has 1349 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.280 kind of hit me harder as well, Like the Afterlove 1350 01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:27.760 kind of reminds me of like the Hunter era Mastodon 1351 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:31.079 stoner grooves but with like hand claps in particularly right 1352 01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:33.800 near the end in between some again Goliath songs, you 1353 01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.360 get a little ditty called war Paths, which is your 1354 01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.800 like rock and roll hardcore, you know every Time I Die, 1355 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.679 you know, the great hardcorese Windle Banger. But there's also 1356 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.280 like a UFO fifties theremine in it. It's like tailing 1357 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:49.199 after you know what I mean. But that stuff really 1358 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:50.599 really works. But then you have right after that the 1359 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:54.599 closing track, Zion, which is another Goliath, and it starts 1360 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.079 genuine epic heavy metal, like it's going to be a 1361 01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:01.239 chemist song before going full galact post hardcore with a 1362 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:05.280 genuinely pretty fucking unreal guitar solo at the end of it. 1363 01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.199 And that track and its totality and all the places 1364 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:08.800 that goes to it did make me think like, yeah, 1365 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.159 remember how amazing see the Old Lady was at the 1366 01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:14.159 end of Instructions by Heck, Like these guys are capable 1367 01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:18.320 of like fucking pushing the boat out and going maximalist, 1368 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.199 and you know, Instructions did show this aptitude for doing 1369 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:26.320 much more like multi dimensioned, you know, elaborate songs, and 1370 01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:28.519 it kind of feels like, if you know, Baby Godzilla 1371 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:30.679 was what they needed to do to build up to 1372 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.480 then that with Heck, maybe it's the case at the 1373 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.960 first couple Haggard Cat albums have now built to a 1374 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.320 similar equivalent of like, now, using these tools we've got, 1375 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:42.960 we are going to fucking try for something. And wonder 1376 01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:44.800 if there's also a degree of you know, these guys 1377 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:46.639 going back to Heck and then going back to Baby 1378 01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:48.320 Godzilla and even other bands they might have had before that. 1379 01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:51.800 I don't know, Like, these guys have been warriors of 1380 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:55.239 the underground basically for like fifteen odd years, you know, 1381 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.239 and they've not had apart from a brief stint either 1382 01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.440 not opening a kerrangt or whatever, they've not had like 1383 01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.800 re broad mainstream success. But they are still here. And 1384 01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:06.119 at what stage do you go, you know, particularly making 1385 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.119 your first ab in six years, why not go crazy 1386 01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:11.880 and like try and you know, make something that hasn't 1387 01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.119 been made before. And as a result, this is like 1388 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:18.159 definitely the best most engaging thing the Haggard Cat has 1389 01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:20.480 done today. So absolutely fair play to them. 1390 01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.800 Oh fully agree totally. Again, I think you now about 1391 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.519 those bands I was comparing them to earlier, is the 1392 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:28.840 six say you listen, I go the Chariot was so 1393 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.119 wild and unhinged and adventurous, and you've just come out 1394 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:36.239 with this cumbersome, uninteresting like blues noise rock band and 1395 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.760 I Fever three through three the worst example of it ever. 1396 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:41.920 What's gone here? Let's find the one thing about let 1397 01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:45.800 live which isn't really cool and just do that forever 1398 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.360 and make it more stupid, which is just not a strategy. 1399 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:51.159 Haggard Cat kind of leaning all the way in on 1400 01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:54.360 the bluesy punk thing that that is a flavor in 1401 01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:56.880 Heck for certainly not the thing they do, and then 1402 01:03:56.920 --> 01:04:00.559 going Okay, now that we've sort of completed that, let's 1403 01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.519 bring it back in some of the a lot of 1404 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:04.559 the adventurousness that we had in that band and what 1405 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.760 made Heck so exciting. And now Haggard Cat, I've gone 1406 01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:10.559 from a band who I don't I couldn't really care 1407 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.679 less about frankly so now in a couple of years 1408 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.360 and another record's coming, I don't know what it's going 1409 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:16.760 to be. I don't know how far they're going to 1410 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.880 take this. And to make that turnaround with one album 1411 01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.000 is I'm seriously impressed. 1412 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:26.119 Yeah, if you have ever liked any of these guys 1413 01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:27.880 works from any of their projects, I think you should 1414 01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:30.239 check this one out because it does feel like the 1415 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.119 next milestone maybe to come from their particular you know, 1416 01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:36.360 combined creative universe. And if you do like bands like 1417 01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:39.119 cave In or Mastodon or Black Peaks, like anything with 1418 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:42.360 that you know, galactic approach to heavy prog, then you 1419 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.559 should also definitely investigate the new album from Haggard Cat 1420 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:47.599 which is called The Pain That Orbits. And if that 1421 01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:50.480 was a bit weird, next review, we are going in 1422 01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:51.840 some really unknown territory. 1423 01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:52.880 This band is. 1424 01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:57.119 Called fire Tools with a Z and the album is 1425 01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:01.719 called Lavendon Networks. Elliot suggested that it might be interested 1426 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:03.679 if we cover this. I had not heard of it 1427 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:05.400 until you brought it up, which it turns out is 1428 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.840 because all of the buzz that exists around this is 1429 01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:11.639 not located in the traditional rock world. There is metal 1430 01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:14.360 in this, else we wouldn't be covering it. But to 1431 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.760 give you idea of where this comes from, this is 1432 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.840 this project's first album for Warp Records, which is the 1433 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.760 iconic electronic music label associated with the likes of Aphex, 1434 01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:27.159 Twin Boards of Canada and Square Pusher. What's the deal 1435 01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.639 with fire Tools and why did you think to put 1436 01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:30.000 the towrd? 1437 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.239 I was looking for records to throw into the reviews 1438 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:37.599 bag for this and I checked all the metal size 1439 01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:40.360 and the rock sites that I occasionally frequency what's out, 1440 01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:42.679 and there wasn't a ton that we weren't already talking 1441 01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.480 about that was leaping out of me. And then overall 1442 01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.920 like radio music spoiling music, which I'll occasionally check just 1443 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:51.119 to see some scores, but I don't live there. There 1444 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.440 was just this wave of interest for this. I was 1445 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.239 a experimental grime core or like metal. It was something 1446 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:01.599 like that, and I'm not seen a word about it 1447 01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.480 anywhere else. But he had these super high scores and 1448 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.039 the praise that was being alloush to fin out the 1449 01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.639 thing that it was describing, which you know it gets 1450 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:13.280 to in a moment. It sounded fascinating, and it was 1451 01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:16.760 completely removed from the rock and metal circles that you'd, 1452 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.440 you know, typically imagine something like this would would operate in. 1453 01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:24.000 And that's you know, that's happened more and more recently. 1454 01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:26.199 There's stuff that's happening in rock and metal that we're 1455 01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:29.920 not interested in that's become super popular. But to see 1456 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:33.880 that happening for an underground band, I think that might 1457 01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:34.239 be new. 1458 01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:36.880 Yeah, And if I was to, I guess try and 1459 01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:39.239 liken it to anything that is in you know, the 1460 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:41.079 T and M past ouver of stuff that we have 1461 01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.239 covered that you might like if you enjoyed the Blind 1462 01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.639 Equation album we reviewed last year, and that like hyper 1463 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.519 online way it fused black metal and scream oh with 1464 01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:56.480 like glitchy digital Internet aid electronic programming. That's the one 1465 01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.159 thing that I could think of that again that we 1466 01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.679 have covered before that you might you know, come from 1467 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.440 a similar place, but this is almost coming from the 1468 01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:05.960 like the other side of that fence, so to speak, 1469 01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:07.800 you know, moving towards. 1470 01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:08.760 Us rather than than outwards. 1471 01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:11.760 Like the Apple Music descriptor for this album listed as 1472 01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.039 scream o, vapor wave, prog rock, and IDM, which is 1473 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:17.960 a mad bunch of words that might nonetheless actually give 1474 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:20.039 you a better idea of what it is. Fire Tools 1475 01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:22.239 as a project has apparently going for like a good 1476 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:24.559 decade or so, coming up through the early vapor wave 1477 01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:27.880 scene in the twenty tens, which might be a surprise, 1478 01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:29.920 not seeing I was in on I've got no fucking 1479 01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:32.320 clue what might have been going on back then. Here's 1480 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:34.239 a question never asked on TNN before. Where you a 1481 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:35.159 vapor wave guy? 1482 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:38.519 I wouldn't go as far to describe myself as a 1483 01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:42.880 vapor wave guy, but that would be a stretch. But 1484 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.079 I do like that Macintosh Plus album, which I think 1485 01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:48.000 is like the Black album for that thing, and I like. 1486 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:52.800 That the vapor Wave Black album brilliant. Yeah, that I 1487 01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:55.400 suppose is where this project maybe started, but it's evolved here, 1488 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:58.719 as we say, into something much more cross genre pollinating, 1489 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:02.480 you know, IDM, the world of AFX, twin and Square Butter, 1490 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:07.079 et cetera. But also then, not only I think, does 1491 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:11.320 this have the extreme metally you know, hardcore cybergrime whatever 1492 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:14.119 side of things that's not too new, like lots of 1493 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:15.880 nerves on the Internet, like those things and what to 1494 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.199 glitch them up like that's not necessarily actually much of 1495 01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:20.680 surprise these days. The thing that most of the about 1496 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:22.880 about this is you've got all of that, and then 1497 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:27.840 also the prog where this has two bookend songs that 1498 01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:30.039 are around seven to eight minutes long, and the eight 1499 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.159 tracks in between do more violently sort of you know, 1500 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:35.720 theear back and forth between like very heavy and then 1501 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:39.319 very dreamy. The first song particularly though, which you know, 1502 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.760 all of these songs have like stupid gibberish song titles 1503 01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:44.119 because it's the Internet but like, you know, try reading 1504 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.159 the second track on this album out loud. The brain 1505 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:48.119 will rot out of your head. But that first song 1506 01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:52.960 starts with like lovely Brian Enoe ambient music until it 1507 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:56.880 hits this massive wall of not just black metal screams, 1508 01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:01.720 but like Toto keyboards or eighties rush or dare I 1509 01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:03.920 say it, dream theater, Like I feel like I'm listening 1510 01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:07.600 to a Reddit translation of images and words there it's mental. 1511 01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.640 Well yeah, because again saying progue, someone listens to this 1512 01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:13.359 might go, oh, it's so like King Crimson. It's going 1513 01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:15.800 to be that sort of extreme. It's like, no, this 1514 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:19.479 is like the more yacht rock and the it's bordline 1515 01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:22.000 like just guitar virtue. Also stuff like Eric Johnson, which 1516 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:25.520 you just put it on in the Background's nice, shiny, shimmery. 1517 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:27.960 It's holding fire more than twenty one twelve. 1518 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:32.960 Yeah, totally, And and if you're anything like me, that's 1519 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:35.359 absolutely no bad thing. We're more than happy to have 1520 01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:38.039 some hold of fire injects into any album of any style. 1521 01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:40.560 And that was the thing where I put this on 1522 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.079 and I went in not really skeptical, but going, you know, 1523 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.439 if this is purely just interesting to people outside of 1524 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:48.640 rock and met What does that say about it? The 1525 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:52.399 quality of that element at least is really good. Like 1526 01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:54.600 it's it's really well done. You can tell it's done 1527 01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:57.279 with by someone who loves that styling music. I mean, 1528 01:09:57.279 --> 01:09:59.079 you wouldn't put it in there if you didn't love it. 1529 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:03.560 But it adds so much color and dexterity to the 1530 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:08.079 sound where stuff which is in theory more mellow and 1531 01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:10.439 more like pop orited where you're trying to bring the 1532 01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:15.279 energy down just layering it with shreddy, bleepy blue pee gazars. 1533 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:17.600 I'm enjoying it. 1534 01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:20.479 And again just to reiterate, there is still an actual 1535 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.079 extreme metal album that's often happening kind of simultaneously to 1536 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:26.600 these parts. But it is those those prog sounds, whether 1537 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.640 it be the flutes or those like hyper glossy aor 1538 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:34.479 style keyboards finding their way through this cyber dimension that 1539 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:37.239 I don't know if you're familiar that there's a very 1540 01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.000 niche sub scene of electronic music that I've discovered lately 1541 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:43.520 that's trying to evoke the very specific sensation of like 1542 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:48.359 nineties nature education CD ROMs like Dawling Kindersley Eyewitness stuff 1543 01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:50.920 that that kind of nostalgic tone of like I'm learning 1544 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.720 about science. Like go and listen to the ep Virtua 1545 01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:56.199 by Trendy Trendy if that sounds like it's going to 1546 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:58.239 send you on some kind of nostalter trip. But there's 1547 01:10:58.239 --> 01:10:59.880 a little bit of that flavor in here where it's 1548 01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:03.279 like whoa, I mean the I mean the rainforest. You know. 1549 01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:05.239 It as like those kind of prog flavors to it, 1550 01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:07.560 and a lot of that first song is very serene 1551 01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:09.720 in a nice way. Some of those short tracks, like 1552 01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:10.960 I say, the more intense. 1553 01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:11.800 Elements come out. 1554 01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:14.840 Balam, which is what I'll call track two, is like 1555 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.560 a big electro beat with a screen vocal on it, 1556 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.479 maybe more akin to like a one hundred gex or 1557 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:22.920 something like that. But it also then starts blasting with 1558 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.800 these like diggy metalcore kind of riffs. But all the 1559 01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:29.159 while one of those eighties prog metal League guitars is 1560 01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:32.960 like flying over that like cybergrind feel, and so despite 1561 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.720 the glitchiness and the intensity, there is still something quite 1562 01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:39.760 graceful and serene to it. The ocean Gratitude is like 1563 01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:42.359 the grindcore band Gridlink, but they are playing sonic Green 1564 01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:45.159 Hills level that rips, and that's before the smooth jazz 1565 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:46.680 solo comes in, the sack solo. 1566 01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:49.720 I've said it before. The test of these things, the 1567 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:51.640 things that marks the great bands out from just the 1568 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:54.640 merely good ones, is if you can weave those things 1569 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:58.199 together and maintain a sort of thread through the different stars. 1570 01:11:58.439 --> 01:11:59.039 That's the test. 1571 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:00.000 I think. 1572 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:01.319 I think this succeeds that. I mean, if you have 1573 01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.079 this one like the Ocean Gratitude Ballam Purse examples, where 1574 01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:08.239 they're often very extreme, very noisy, very discordant, but there's 1575 01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:12.199 gorgeous melodies. Although it Kissed the Kiss the Bladed cat 1576 01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.520 Is it sounds like a haunted house in a Sega game, 1577 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:19.359 but it's got that like vile black metal wretch over 1578 01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:22.439 the top of it, and yet the pretty stuff on 1579 01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:25.680 that it's shimmering all over the shop. It's, you know, 1580 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:30.760 sort of Barbie dream house like directed PC games, sort 1581 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:35.439 of mid two thousands esthetic. It's the amalgam of things 1582 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.680 works surprisingly well considering in theory, and they couldn't be 1583 01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:41.760 more disparate from one another. You'd think it would have 1584 01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:42.760 to be stop start. 1585 01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:45.520 Yeah, I don't know if there is like a super 1586 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:50.720 coherent world to the record beyond like the experimentation of 1587 01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:54.840 like I am, you know, deep in a like Windows 1588 01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:58.319 Vista wallpaper where things are melting. I don't know, like 1589 01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:01.479 that Kiss the Blading Cat song. It sounds like the 1590 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:05.000 vinyl record containing a horror movie score is melting in 1591 01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:07.159 the heat, you know, and the sound is warping and 1592 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:08.720 it's it's very weird. And there are these songs in 1593 01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:12.239 the middle that are much more Nightmary noise, like code Name, 1594 01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:15.840 Sparkly Lagoon Landline brings them a riff that is so 1595 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.880 stupid because sometimes we use terms like sludge or swampy 1596 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:21.800 or whatever to convey the feeling of a rift, but 1597 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:25.560 like literally that sounds like sludge, like it literally squelches. 1598 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:27.680 There's some kind of effect on what is basically like 1599 01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.840 sort of low beat down riff that makes it sound 1600 01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:33.479 like farting liquid, you know, and the vocal has similarly 1601 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.720 been distorted into like a toilet slam kind of fart sound. 1602 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:39.159 And then somehow that being the basis that you're going 1603 01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:42.239 to try and build this like mental New Age magic 1604 01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:44.600 of learning about nature, you know, keyboard part off the 1605 01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:47.720 top of it is unconventional. I don't know how much 1606 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.359 it does cohere to something beyond being weird as fuck, 1607 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:53.279 but I do applaud it, and there are the points 1608 01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.840 where it goes again full on embraces that like color 1609 01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:57.640 and the New Age stuff like and Where's the Heart 1610 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.880 is just a dig prog song basically where it's the 1611 01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.000 kind of music where somehow in the confines of that 1612 01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:07.600 track you can envision someone wearing corpse paint and then 1613 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:09.560 also someone playing the pan pipes and they have a 1614 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:10.319 little dance together. 1615 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:14.520 Yeah, that song was really Disney. It sounds that something 1616 01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:17.159 from in canto, but it's been fed through a shredder 1617 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:21.439 or something. It's it's a really wild and again, like 1618 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.399 just the ability to go that far with it is 1619 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:27.039 what impresses me because it's I think if this was 1620 01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:30.079 just all the things happening at once for the duration 1621 01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:32.199 of the record, that would get pretty tedious. But it's 1622 01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:34.279 the way that they as much as they're willing to 1623 01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:36.600 pick things up, they're just as willing to drop them 1624 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.199 because there's nothing really extreme in that song. It's it's 1625 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:42.960 just glitched up and you know, distorted and fucked about 1626 01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:46.199 within glitchy. It's it's not like they've put loads of 1627 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:48.399 extreme metal into it, and I like that when they 1628 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:51.720 lean into something like that, they really lean into it 1629 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.800 and don't feel the obligation to, you know, counterbalance it 1630 01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:56.239 with something for the metal heads. 1631 01:14:56.439 --> 01:14:58.720 Yeah, it is a very strange time. I think for me, 1632 01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:01.920 maybe raws a record it's more an academic listen rather 1633 01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:03.760 than something I'm regularly putting on a pleasure. But it 1634 01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:06.800 is a fascinating little record, and you know, I'm not 1635 01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:08.960 expecting fire Tools to turn up a download or even 1636 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.960 a Damnation anytime soon, right, there is definitely something about 1637 01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:14.760 this where it is what we specialize in plays, but 1638 01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:16.840 one small part of it. It's one of those kind 1639 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:19.279 of genreles albums that the Internet has, you know, started 1640 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:22.479 to produce. But if you are into you know, IDM 1641 01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:26.640 futuristic yet simultaneously nostalgic like electronic stuff, and you are 1642 01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:30.239 interested in an extreme prog metal twist, you might not 1643 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.239 be aware of this record coming from the rock breast, 1644 01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:34.479 so check it out. It's unique. At least fire Tools 1645 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:36.760 lave of the networks. We are going to dial a 1646 01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:40.039 little bit deeper into the punk world next with a 1647 01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:42.600 band called Prison Near de Tomp with pro De le 1648 01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:47.279 Purvois Parlor Force. This was a real last minute edition 1649 01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:49.159 to the schedule. I literally came across this about two 1650 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:51.720 days ago and I sprung it on Elliott fairly last minute. 1651 01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:54.439 But for those two days that I've had this, I 1652 01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:56.520 have listened to it many times over. Not that that's too 1653 01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:58.279 hard a thing considering the length of it, but I 1654 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:01.479 just thought, we've got a slot and this record is 1655 01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:04.119 fucking great, so I'm going to just use this as 1656 01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:07.920 a recommendation real quick. I was looking for punk releases. Basically, 1657 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:09.119 I was like, I'm going to look for around for 1658 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:11.840 a decent punk album, and I decided to check in 1659 01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:16.079 on the recent label releases of La Vida s Unmos Discos, 1660 01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.720 which is the label that puts out home Front last year, 1661 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.840 and I found in their recent releases from a couple 1662 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:24.560 of weeks ago this little treat of an album. Obviously, 1663 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:26.000 as you might be able to gather from the name, 1664 01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:29.720 this is a French OI record, a one man project. 1665 01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:31.640 It turns out it's a guy called Jackie Cadu. That's 1666 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:34.279 him on the cover, I assume. And I would just say, 1667 01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:37.640 if you are enjoying this recent wave of like great 1668 01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:41.479 OI punk records that have been coming out very much 1669 01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:45.199 check in on this because while you know, not as 1670 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:48.079 genre blending as like a Home Front or a Poison Ruin, 1671 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:53.119 for example, there is a really lovely, still quite dynamic 1672 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:56.359 touch to this that makes its twenty four minute runtime 1673 01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.119 more engaging than merely twenty four minutes of like you know, 1674 01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:01.119 no nonsense oil punk that just gets in and out. 1675 01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:03.840 There is a similar outside the box sort of thinking 1676 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:06.560 at times to this. It's just a real delight and 1677 01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:09.560 the foundation to it is still you know, very much 1678 01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:12.039 to the point this style of music. So if you 1679 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:14.479 have any fondness for this kind of thing, I think 1680 01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:18.159 you will be in and comfy. From the very first listen, 1681 01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:22.880 we are talking slamming punk beats and extremely rowdy shout 1682 01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:24.920 a long hooks, just all in French on this one. 1683 01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:31.279 And these songs are absolutely righteous, blazing, anti fascist punk songs. 1684 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.840 The album title translates as seizing power by force, and 1685 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:38.279 you have La liberte so pla song which translates to 1686 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:41.680 freedom is Obtained by Blood and that song which is 1687 01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.680 tracked two in the record, honestly literally, from my very 1688 01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:47.960 first listen of the very first chorus on it, I 1689 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:49.920 didn't have to finish the song. I was already singing 1690 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:51.800 along and this is a song that isn't even in 1691 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:56.199 my native language, but that you know, Lala song is 1692 01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:59.800 so catchy and so stirring like that is from listen 1693 01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:01.960 one up there with like Lily of the Valley as 1694 01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:04.960 the most infectious punk songs of this year. And going 1695 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:07.199 through this record again and again the eight tracks on it, 1696 01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:10.239 I think this record fucking rips. 1697 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:10.920 Elliott. 1698 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.640 Having this, you know, handed over to you, you know, 1699 01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:17.600 shortly before we were putting this reviews back together, did 1700 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:19.720 you also have fun with it? I have a suspicion 1701 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:21.520 that you might have, because this is a kind of 1702 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.119 punk that we very rarely perfect about. 1703 01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:28.640 To be honest, Yeah, I just I love this style 1704 01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:30.560 of music. I'm getting more and more in love with 1705 01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:32.720 it as times, especially in the las few years, basically 1706 01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:35.479 post Poison Ruin. I like discovering that band and then 1707 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:37.119 going back and hearing all the stuff that was influenced 1708 01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:39.279 by them, and then Cox Sparrow last summer. It's been 1709 01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:42.680 a very good tign. This thing fucking rocks. It's it's 1710 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.520 so good, like I the for the thing that it is, 1711 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:49.239 which is actually, like you said, quite varied and quite bolding. 1712 01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:52.720 What it takes from it's pretty much perfect. I'm starting 1713 01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:55.079 to believe that eight songs is how long all albums 1714 01:18:55.079 --> 01:18:57.119 should be. For whatever reason about how long those songs are, 1715 01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.600 there's something about eight songs that just makes sense. These 1716 01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:06.159 songs are extremely hooky, so rousing, like punk songs that 1717 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:08.399 could come out anytime in the last fifty years and 1718 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:13.399 would sound just as tremendous as life affirming. It's absolutely sublime. 1719 01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:20.239 The choruses are just so infectious, like the way that 1720 01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:23.920 they in that Oi fashion, you know, regardless of language, 1721 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.359 just absolutely slam into your head and just get you 1722 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:30.479 going and lift you up. But also some of the 1723 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.479 other flavors that are sprinkling over the top. This record 1724 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:37.880 has a particularly bright sound the instrumentation I think that 1725 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.039 makes me think of like the acoustics at the start 1726 01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:42.960 of the opening track probably go down an easy treat 1727 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:45.159 if you are into like the folk punk or even 1728 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.439 like mending as the type scenes you know, just before 1729 01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:50.920 those oi drums cuts start coming in and go and 1730 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:52.680 get that skid daddling sound of them, which is just 1731 01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:56.039 loads of fun. The fifth track, Dnier Regard just has 1732 01:19:56.119 --> 01:20:00.520 the brightest ray of sunshine of guitar riff with this 1733 01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:02.920 just you know, insistent Oi hook of. 1734 01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:05.479 The d regard over what is this? 1735 01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:05.680 Like? 1736 01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:09.560 Ah? Incredible? Absolutely, we've had frozen soul. We're gonna have 1737 01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.159 another quite snow coated record in a little while. This 1738 01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:15.239 has been my heat wave record for the week, right, 1739 01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:17.399 Like this is exactly what has been going on. This 1740 01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:22.720 is just so again sunglazed and bright and uplifting. 1741 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.920 You mentioned that the Dania regard and that and the 1742 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:31.159 song after it, Dan's Ladulia. That's definitely not right. The 1743 01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:35.279 long title one track six. I think it is one 1744 01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:36.439 band I hit a lot of on this, and I 1745 01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:39.479 wouldn't surprised if it was a direct, direct influence. Is 1746 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:42.439 Stiff Little Fingers, who are, for my money right, the 1747 01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.279 best punk band this side of the Atlantic has ever produced. 1748 01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:49.239 And any time I can sense that their flavors in 1749 01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:51.399 a record in a band, it just warms my heart. 1750 01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:54.119 And those two songs in particular, they've got a bit 1751 01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:56.760 more of a melodic mouse to them. It really brings 1752 01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:00.479 to mind they're sort of turning to the eighty were 1753 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:02.359 like songs like you know you might know Tin Soldiers 1754 01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:06.039 and Nobody's Hero, like less about Hack and Slash and 1755 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:08.760 more about soaring and I love that and it makes 1756 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:11.199 my favorite moments of the record. That one too, for me, 1757 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.760 is as good as this record gets. They somehow manage 1758 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:17.079 to feel even more stirring and urgent than the other 1759 01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:20.159 songs of the record, which are pretty fucking stirring and 1760 01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:23.840 mighty urgent. It just but the whole thing just bowls 1761 01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:25.520 along that those moments might be my hands, but the 1762 01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:29.680 way that they lean into pace and speed and fury 1763 01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:33.199 when they need to. You mentioned Liberty and the first song, 1764 01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:37.439 there's so much like holler along power to those choruses, 1765 01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:39.840 and when there is some hack and slash in the riffs, 1766 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:43.159 they absolutely pull that off as well. There's so much 1767 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:47.399 again for a studio project, it sounds really alive and 1768 01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:51.079 again like there's that that is a for bands playing 1769 01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:52.600 in this soyle of music. It really helps if you 1770 01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:54.560 if it sounds like a band is playing to again, 1771 01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:58.239 that's what punk is really all about. He's able to 1772 01:21:58.319 --> 01:22:02.880 sublimate that feeling while this necessarily being a studio projects, 1773 01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:05.920 and I think that's really cool. 1774 01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:08.520 Yeah, and you know, there are some of the OI 1775 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:10.600 reference points. I'm sure that a lot of these bands share, 1776 01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:12.800 Like you know, Blitz whoever it is. But like speaking 1777 01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:15.239 of the unconventional bands that came to mind, I don't 1778 01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:16.960 I might get crucified for saying this. I don't know 1779 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:19.479 about the particular record, but for some reason I kept 1780 01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.880 thinking about the offspring during this, like that like hyper 1781 01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:25.600 melodic guitar, everyfing you know, do new, new, new, and 1782 01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:29.319 like whatever, Like they feel like basement OI versions of 1783 01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:30.880 either like the Kids Aren't All Right. A lot of 1784 01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:33.920 the time songs and pop punk has been a useless 1785 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:36.239 genre for ages, but this new wave oy scene is 1786 01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:38.079 living at the moment. So if you can grab a 1787 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:39.960 bit of that flavor in a record like this instead, 1788 01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:42.239 by all means do it. And it also has just 1789 01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:44.520 a super light dabbling and not as heavy as like 1790 01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:46.680 a Homefront for example, but a light dabbling just enough 1791 01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:49.720 to make it feel felt in post punk. Where that 1792 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:52.239 La Libertay track, which is the one of all these 1793 01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:54.199 I have been like rinsing over and over again. As 1794 01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:57.800 well as having just the best OI chorus, it's got 1795 01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:01.520 like a danceable feel underneath it that really makes it pop. 1796 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:03.560 And another my favorite tracks on this, lamad it On, 1797 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:07.479 is pure punched the air, like you know street punk, 1798 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:10.560 but halfway through you get this sick like twinkly guitar 1799 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:12.439 lead out of the post punk school that just like 1800 01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:14.840 really catches the air and glistens in a really beautiful way. 1801 01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:16.720 And the final track has like a little bit of 1802 01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:19.399 tremolo melody. It's like a little TV taste of black metal, 1803 01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:21.399 like nothing too extreme. Like it's not like when the 1804 01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:23.760 Poison Ruin closing track went full black metal. It's just 1805 01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:26.840 like a tiny little frosty icing on the punk cake 1806 01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:30.039 on what is essentially a raging hardcore track that also 1807 01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:33.399 at the end turns into a gleaming heartland rock song 1808 01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:35.479 to end, like the final minute of the record. 1809 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:39.680 That rules that song again being thrown off course when 1810 01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:41.520 that came in, espelicially with the rolling tom's and the 1811 01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:44.399 the tremolo riffs, I was going, we had a bit 1812 01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:47.479 of late two thousands dark thrown here. Very nice. Again, 1813 01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:49.760 I'm sure she's just share influence, but that's the thing 1814 01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:51.640 that came to mind. And then by the end you're right, 1815 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:54.079 you're going, oh no, that this guy also likes the 1816 01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:56.760 Replacements and probably a bit of Tom Petty and he's 1817 01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:00.000 throwing some of that in that level of musical dexterity. 1818 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:01.520 It's one of the coolest things about the sort of 1819 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.800 internet era of punk is the ability to go, let's 1820 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.399 just throw all sorts of things and like paper and 1821 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:10.319 share our own idea to it. This doesn't really have 1822 01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:13.000 like a necessary I don't think this has a super 1823 01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.000 easy elevator pitch in a way that something like a 1824 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:16.720 Poison Ruin does not say that's a measure of the 1825 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:20.800 record at all, But I do think it's much more 1826 01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:25.640 dextrous then you might expect from this style of music 1827 01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:26.319 generally speaking. 1828 01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:29.039 Yeah, and I checked out this is the second album 1829 01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:30.920 from this particular project. I checked out the debut album 1830 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:32.359 as well, from a couple of years ago, and that 1831 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:35.279 record is also good, but this one seems more open 1832 01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:37.920 minded in the influences, you know. And it's just it's 1833 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:40.359 fucking loads of fun, Like like eight songs twenty four minutes. 1834 01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:42.720 Pretty much every song as a banger and has something 1835 01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:46.119 cool to you know, hang, it's kind of name on. Actually, 1836 01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.119 if you are wanting a punk record, check out this month. 1837 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:51.079 This is the one for me. Like, I highly recommend it. 1838 01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:53.920 Prison Ere de tomp absolutely get in on that one. 1839 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:56.479 I'm very glad that I caught it, you know, just 1840 01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:58.600 in time to slap it in this particular reviews bag 1841 01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:02.720 because it's really there you go along with the more 1842 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:05.520 alternative records though that we have now covered this month 1843 01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:08.039 in particular, this sunny month of May has been chock 1844 01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:11.279 a block for black metal. On top of what we've 1845 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:13.479 got here, we had the return of dmu borg Hear 1846 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.039 after eight years. We had Dark Throwne as well, and 1847 01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:17.399 those are the ones we aren't doing, some of the 1848 01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:19.600 genre's biggest names, and the reason being is that we 1849 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:23.279 have got three count on three picks more from the 1850 01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:26.039 underground that we want to shout about. And first of all, 1851 01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:29.319 we have an album that the album that has most 1852 01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:32.640 consumed my listening this month, a Forest of Stars, with 1853 01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:37.279 also their first album in eight years, the magnificently titled 1854 01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:42.000 Stack Overflow in Corpse Pile Interface. This is a band 1855 01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:44.760 who have been veterans of the scene for you know, 1856 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:46.720 coming up to twenty years now, but with it being 1857 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:48.800 so long between releases and then not exactly being a 1858 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:50.840 household name, this I'm sure will be the first time 1859 01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:52.640 that plenty of folks will be hearing of them. So 1860 01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:55.640 an introduction of Forester of Stars were part of the 1861 01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:59.479 wave of UK black metal bands that really reignited that 1862 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:02.000 scene at the tail end of the naughties into the 1863 01:26:02.039 --> 01:26:07.319 twenty ten So I'm talking Winter, Philith, then Code Voices 1864 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:11.199 and that generation of bands were and are massive for me, 1865 01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:13.079 Like being a teenage black metal fan at that time 1866 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:16.039 and finding this wave of bands who are much close 1867 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:18.239 to home rather than you know, coming from Norway or 1868 01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:20.479 America and then often being you know, so interesting and 1869 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:22.800 different from one another was a big thing. And a 1870 01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:26.159 Forest of Stars were in a scene often of Mavericks 1871 01:26:27.079 --> 01:26:29.920 by far the most eccentric and out there of those 1872 01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:31.560 bands a lot of the time. And you know, considering 1873 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:33.239 what we've discussed before about the likes of Code and 1874 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.720 how out their bands like that can be, that is 1875 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:39.239 saying something Elliott's, do you have a history with a 1876 01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:41.560 Forest of Stars? And if you do, why don't you 1877 01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.359 have a crack at conveying what the fuck their deal is? 1878 01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:45.640 Because it's sure is something. 1879 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.079 Okay, So yeah, I do have a history of a 1880 01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:52.720 Forest of Stars. I love this band. I didn't know 1881 01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:54.880 this record was coming out. I somehow missed the announcement 1882 01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:56.720 altogether until like I think it was the end of 1883 01:26:56.720 --> 01:26:58.359 reviews last month you mentioned this was going to be 1884 01:26:58.399 --> 01:26:59.800 and I thought, what the fuck? Like, yeah back, because 1885 01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:03.079 we're getting to it. May it's been a while. Uh, 1886 01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:06.760 they're They're not for the faint of heart. We'll put 1887 01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:09.920 it that way, because even before you get to the 1888 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:14.399 most radical thing about them, which is so self explanatory, 1889 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:15.760 if you've heard it, if you've heard this band, you 1890 01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:18.880 know you already know I'm getting at. Their music is 1891 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:26.720 so unusual. Their songs are long, liberin labyrinthine, unorthodox tapestries. 1892 01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:30.319 I'd say they're black metal band. They've got much more 1893 01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:33.000 common the likes have enslaved than they do I mortal like. 1894 01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:36.359 They take so much from folk music, progressive rock, sort 1895 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:40.119 of seventies neo folks, psychedelia. You're You're just as likely 1896 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:44.000 to hear a male choir or like a church organ 1897 01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:49.479 on their records then a distorted tritone. And this record 1898 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:53.640 might be their most off the beaten path yet for 1899 01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:56.960 a reason, We'll get this. This band are about as 1900 01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:00.359 idiosyncratic and strange a black metal band as you're likely 1901 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.439 to find in any point in the genre's history. They 1902 01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:07.520 are that shit, for lack of a better word, Yeah. 1903 01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:09.239 Like of that crop of as to say, UK black 1904 01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:11.800 metal bands from like circa twenty ten, they are the 1905 01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:14.760 one that you could most conceivably slap the avant guarde 1906 01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:17.439 tag onto, like you know, Winterfhilith, great band, but Winterfith 1907 01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:20.399 fairly straightforward in what they do. For as the Stars, 1908 01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:24.600 just conceptually from the off, they're like a secret society 1909 01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:28.479 of Victorian gentlemen, and like they often go by the 1910 01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:33.000 nickname the Club, you know, like their their current promo picture, 1911 01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:34.319 if you were to pull it up, is one of 1912 01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:36.520 my favorite things, because you have this group of like stoic, 1913 01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:40.159 forlorn looking metal people suited and booted, and then randomly, 1914 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:42.439 at the very far end of the group photo, one 1915 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.279 of them is wearing like a purple multi colored clown 1916 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:47.960 slash GiB mask and it's. 1917 01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:50.560 Only him, like none of the rest of them, and 1918 01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:52.600 I have no explanation for him. 1919 01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:56.479 But they are like this extremely peculiar and hyper British 1920 01:28:56.479 --> 01:28:58.760 as well collective like this is genuinely a sound that 1921 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:00.760 you would get nowhere else in the because it is 1922 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:06.600 this genuinely surrealistic concoction of English progue and folk and 1923 01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:11.560 demented Victorian aristocracy with a frontman called mister Curse and 1924 01:29:11.680 --> 01:29:14.880 other members going by names like mister T. S. Kettlberner 1925 01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:18.239 and mister William White Barrow. Like they're a very odd bunch, 1926 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:23.000 but they are great, and they're twenty tens albums a 1927 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:25.520 shadow play for Yesterday's and particularly for me at the 1928 01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:28.479 time be where the Sword you Cannot See are among 1929 01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.800 the classics in my book that that scene produced. But 1930 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:34.520 this new album I think might have gone right up 1931 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:37.800 to challenge them. I think this is like an upper 1932 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:41.800 tier album of the Year contender, like this is just terrific. 1933 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:44.039 And if you are hearing that description and hearing it 1934 01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:46.479 sounds off putting, it might well be like they are 1935 01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:50.359 absolutely a very odd band whose flavor will drive some 1936 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:52.680 people insane, but also give it a go because it 1937 01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:56.279 is a sonic concoction unlike any other band, and we've 1938 01:29:56.319 --> 01:29:59.560 not gotten onto how spectaclely on this album they are 1939 01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:01.920 also put these ideas off. There's also the matter that 1940 01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:04.359 this album is seventy three minutes long. They do not 1941 01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:06.520 do the things by halves. And it's only you said 1942 01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:08.880 eight tracks is good before this one's six tracks and 1943 01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:12.199 each one, let me tell you, is an odyssey and 1944 01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:14.279 my goodness. It is a great beast two tackle. But 1945 01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:19.239 for psychedelics, sprawling, swimming in and out of what is 1946 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:23.359 expected heavy music, you won't be hearing many better examples 1947 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:23.560 of it. 1948 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:27.600 I think no U for seventy three minutes. I'm not 1949 01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:30.600 saying that it flies by or that it's easy listening 1950 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:33.119 for certainly thing it's by any means, it's absolutely not. 1951 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:36.720 This is probably their densest album to date. I would 1952 01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:39.880 say sonically it's you can hear that this is a 1953 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:44.119 near decade of work going into it. But this thing 1954 01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:47.640 doesn't wait around very long. Like occasional you'll do it 1955 01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:50.760 deliberately open. It will make you wait for something. But 1956 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:53.960 the amount that goes on in those seventy three minutes, 1957 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:59.039 this is comfortably one of the most ambitious metal records 1958 01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:01.720 you will hear this year in any style of music, 1959 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:04.840 purely on artistic grounds. You know, We've been listening to 1960 01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:07.720 it for a few weeks now. I still feel like 1961 01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:12.079 I'm scratching the paint off the aluminum surface or something. 1962 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:15.479 That this thing is such a monolith. And I say 1963 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:21.479 that in the in the most praising possible terms. I 1964 01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:25.359 am like you in I am just in awe of 1965 01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:26.000 this record. 1966 01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:27.520 Yeah, but it is. 1967 01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:30.520 It's a seventy three minute, dense what is going on 1968 01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:33.920 record that I still have like actually wanted organically not 1969 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:36.640 just to be doing this, to put on again and again, 1970 01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:39.680 like this is the record after neurosis this year that 1971 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:41.399 I've done that with of being like I need like 1972 01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:43.960 I've got fucking seventy three minutes, fair, wow, I need 1973 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:45.239 to put for us to stars on like I've been. 1974 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:47.239 I've been to the rest of their catalog as well. 1975 01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:50.359 And for a band who I you know, I liked 1976 01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:52.119 ten years ago and then they went away for a 1977 01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:54.680 while and I kind of organically by myself like rediscovered 1978 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:56.279 and re fell back in love with them about two 1979 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:58.399 or three year ago anyway. But getting this at just 1980 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:01.640 the right time and it just being as like delivering 1981 01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:03.760 on everything I could want it to be has been 1982 01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:08.359 such a real joy trying to get get inside and 1983 01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:10.000 what the sounds are even going on here. I guess 1984 01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:12.319 you know, among the main players that they have that 1985 01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:14.560 make up what they do musically is they have a violinist, 1986 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.680 a lady going by Catherine, Queen of the Ghosts, who 1987 01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:20.479 briefly played violin for My Dine bride as well, and 1988 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:22.760 that kind of strings work on an extreme metal record, 1989 01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:26.279 particularly one as ingrained in like British folk music, as 1990 01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:28.760 this is just really seems to be so strongly and 1991 01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:31.960 that gives me a pretty central, like melodic focal point, 1992 01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:34.560 you know, to hold on to as it goes through 1993 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:38.000 all these different elements, and so amidst everything else that 1994 01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:42.199 goes on, you have these stunning, like incredibly rich, rich 1995 01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:48.199 texturally you know, powerful violin melodies that opened the record 1996 01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:51.600 with the first track Ofscension of the Clowns, slowly moving 1997 01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:54.800 over this like beautiful, like spacey, atmospheric black metal passage, 1998 01:32:55.279 --> 01:32:57.960 and it really draws you in. But then mister Curse, 1999 01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:04.279 the vocalist arrives. He is just the most like alarming, 2000 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:09.800 off putting yet completely transfixing vocal focal point in an 2001 01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:12.000 extreme metal band that you can imagine, because he's not 2002 01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.920 actually doing a what you would call a black metal 2003 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:18.159 vocal traditionally, you could argue he's not even quite screaming 2004 01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:20.079 in a way that you would understand a metal band 2005 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:25.520 to be screaming. Rather, he specializes in this kind of unhinged, 2006 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:30.800 ranting sort of spoken word poetry. But it is so 2007 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:37.159 fucked up, so attention grabbing and disarming, and like to 2008 01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:39.079 hear a you know, an extreme metal band who have 2009 01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:41.920 a vocalist where you genuinely do not know what he's 2010 01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:43.399 going to come out with or what he's going to 2011 01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:47.640 sound like or pull off any given line is so 2012 01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:50.319 as I say, like you just like you have to 2013 01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:51.359 fixate on him. 2014 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:54.760 Yeah, he's one of the most idiosyncratic vocalists an extreme 2015 01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:57.239 metal band that's ever had. And it just I think 2016 01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:59.279 he's about a spoken word. If a lot of peoplehen 2017 01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:01.760 they hear the words spoken word, they think, oh, you know, 2018 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:03.920 mellow kind of whispering, it's gonna be that sort of thing, 2019 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:07.119 like you know, slint or something like that. His spoken 2020 01:34:07.159 --> 01:34:10.479 word is so panic inducing it's actually a relief when 2021 01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:12.079 he starts screaming, when he starts. 2022 01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:12.920 Wretching like a black mask. 2023 01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:17.800 Oh thank god, thank god, some respite from that madman. 2024 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:22.000 He he is, his gibbering stream of conscious and it's 2025 01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:24.359 also one of the most arresting vocal styles I've ever heard, 2026 01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:27.239 and it's not one that I've ever ready gotten used to. 2027 01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:29.119 I've listened to this band loads, and I've listened to 2028 01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:32.159 this record loads, and there are still moments across this record. 2029 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.600 What is he doing and what the like? I mean, 2030 01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:38.800 straight straight away the first song, you know, he's growling, 2031 01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:44.600 he's snarling, he's he's chew chewing, like what just when 2032 01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:46.720 you think you've put everything and you think, okay, I'm 2033 01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:48.600 starting to get on the register, it says. 2034 01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:54.479 Like yeah, like genuine just to reassert here three minutes 2035 01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:56.199 of the album. I have no idea if this has 2036 01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:58.159 ever happened on a black ma lad before he makes 2037 01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:01.960 a train horn noise as of this mad like careening 2038 01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:06.079 snowball of a track, he goes steady away, boys at 2039 01:35:06.119 --> 01:35:09.119 that point, all better off to where you might be going. 2040 01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:10.399 I mean, the very first line on the album, he 2041 01:35:10.479 --> 01:35:13.399 comes in with this, I am my own maggot consuming 2042 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:17.159 myself and the only natural comparison point for what he 2043 01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:19.680 does as to if you would like this ash Andspire, 2044 01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:22.199 if you like them A Forest of Stars was a 2045 01:35:22.239 --> 01:35:24.319 clear reference point for what they were going for, you know, 2046 01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:27.399 like they share that kind of foaming at the mouth, lunacy, 2047 01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:31.359 ranting and raving vocal delivery. But while Ashenspire is often 2048 01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:35.880 very like pointed with the specificity of the political subject matter, 2049 01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:38.680 a Forest of Stars is much more like Dardaist, you know, 2050 01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:40.720 like it's so unpredictable the kind of thing that he 2051 01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:42.720 will come out with. It's all wrapped up again in 2052 01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:46.760 this like high society Victorian wordsmith language, and he is 2053 01:35:46.760 --> 01:35:50.880 still ferocious and like angry and incandescent with rage, but 2054 01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.960 it will spill out into the most like genuinely bizarre 2055 01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:56.000 and absurdist stuff. There's a part later on where he 2056 01:35:56.039 --> 01:35:59.800 hits an honest to god wow, and I think there 2057 01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:02.720 is there is a quite politicized nature to what you 2058 01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:04.680 can read into again these very dense lyrics, like when 2059 01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:08.119 he's talking about Shitagatshit the Enshitenment, and I'm like, yeah, 2060 01:36:08.119 --> 01:36:09.720 it does kind of feel like we're living in the 2061 01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:12.239 Ensitenment right now. That's quite an app I think assessment 2062 01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.760 of the world, but it's putrified to something that is 2063 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:20.560 so delirious. You know the title Corpses overflowing Crashing the world. 2064 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:24.000 You know, there's a track mechanically separated logic where he's 2065 01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:26.920 painting this like hideous picture of I think the human 2066 01:36:27.039 --> 01:36:29.720 race as the product of like a factory meat plant 2067 01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:32.319 covering the earth or something. There's a lot in that 2068 01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:34.359 and like root circle usurpers as well. That seems to 2069 01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:36.000 reference climate change. But again and he's like, you know, 2070 01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:40.039 really strung out kind of ways. But the instrumental is 2071 01:36:40.199 --> 01:36:43.319 it's so strange and fluttery, with like you know, peculiar 2072 01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:46.640 keyboard sounds and like space rock bas melodies and stuff 2073 01:36:46.640 --> 01:36:48.920 you get as well. It feels like you're drifting through 2074 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:53.279 like a toxic poisoned you know, daydream and the whole 2075 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:56.520 time he is just off on one. It's like being 2076 01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:58.600 in the presence of a man just threatening to set 2077 01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:01.600 himself on fire over and over again. And while he's 2078 01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:05.520 doing that, the band are flowing and creating these incredible, 2079 01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:10.840 like shimmering, violent but psychedelic landscapes with those of those 2080 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:14.239 phenomenal violin melodies. It rarely actually stops between the tracks, 2081 01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:15.720 like it does feel kind of constructed as like a 2082 01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:19.439 continuous seventy three minute piece of music, so street level vertigo. 2083 01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:22.520 That second track you get this ominous thudding percussion that 2084 01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:26.520 swims straight out of essentially the clowns building for three 2085 01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:30.920 minutes just getting more and more like antsy basically, and 2086 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:33.439 that's something he's pointing at things you can't see going yes, 2087 01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:34.319 that one no. 2088 01:37:34.199 --> 01:37:36.199 Not that one. It's like, what are we referring to? 2089 01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:38.800 I'm so scared, And then eventually it bursts and you 2090 01:37:38.840 --> 01:37:41.880 get like a Glockenspiel melody or something that's harmonizing with 2091 01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:45.479 the tremolo, and this mixture of like really calming beauty 2092 01:37:46.079 --> 01:37:49.159 with this crazed magnet at the center of it is 2093 01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:51.520 really amazing. And considering everything we just said for me, 2094 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:52.760 like I said, how I've wanted to go back to 2095 01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:55.520 this recond again, then there is a smoothness about how 2096 01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:59.479 this one works together and flows that some of them 2097 01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:01.479 more prickly albums haven't had that so much, but there 2098 01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:04.119 is a level of grace to it and the prog 2099 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:06.039 rock side of it. When you get to like the 2100 01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:07.840 back half of the song like street Level Vertigo, and 2101 01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:10.319 it goes full into that world, it's unreal. 2102 01:38:11.399 --> 01:38:13.760 Yeah, I mean just street up. Berger has one of 2103 01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:17.439 my favorite couplets, even couplets my favorite bits of line 2104 01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:19.600 on the song, way just goes a I see beasts 2105 01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:21.199 on the periphery? Will they eat me? 2106 01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:22.680 Will I eat them? 2107 01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:26.560 What the what do you mean? Like you said that, 2108 01:38:26.680 --> 01:38:30.439 the arrangements on that song are just amazing. The Glaucus 2109 01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.159 Field melody sounds like something off, like a Cigar Oasa 2110 01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:37.720 record somehow, And it's the juxtavision between something so I 2111 01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:42.039 want to say, calming but sort of beautiful and cascading 2112 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:47.439 against the backdrop of that vocal is just so discordant 2113 01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:50.359 and uncecily. And in the first three songs, which take 2114 01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:52.720 up you know, over half an hour, you kind of 2115 01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:54.960 feel like you get a grip on even if you 2116 01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:58.239 don't know what's gonna happen. You know what the tools are, 2117 01:38:58.439 --> 01:39:00.960 you know, like, don't get on the still fucking weird 2118 01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:04.920 bits like mechanically separated logic. You're distracted just long enough 2119 01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:06.359 to not notice that you said a float in the 2120 01:39:06.359 --> 01:39:08.600 Great Urin or backed up in a service station. It's 2121 01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:10.279 just like a. 2122 01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:11.840 Thousand miserable piss artists. 2123 01:39:12.079 --> 01:39:13.960 Yeah, like the imagery of this guy's coming out with. 2124 01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:18.319 But then when you switch to root circle usurpers, suddenly 2125 01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:20.800 we're not in Victoria in England anymore. We're in the 2126 01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:26.560 wild West. There's slide guitars and like jaunty plut string 2127 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:29.000 intement and a mouth organ. It's just, you know, they've 2128 01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:32.000 committed so holy to the secret society nineteenth century England 2129 01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:34.199 feel and then thirty minutes off they're willing to just 2130 01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:37.199 like being an offsc full howdy man, and yeah, it 2131 01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:40.279 makes total sense. It doesn't feel like a wild swing. 2132 01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:43.920 It makes sense in the context of the world they've made. 2133 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:46.960 Yeah, for me that that intro of Root Circle Usurpers 2134 01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:52.279 really to me feels like sort of sixties seventies English 2135 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:54.760 folk rock. I guess, like it feels like you're like 2136 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:56.800 in a field surrounded by mushrooms, you know, and you 2137 01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:58.920 have no idea from that point how that is going 2138 01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:02.119 to koreeina to anything more stream, you know, And this 2139 01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:04.000 album like it's you know, if you've never heard a 2140 01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:05.640 Forestars before and then you listen to them, it's easy 2141 01:40:05.640 --> 01:40:08.520 to go like, oh, yeah, that's the renting Victorian gentleman band. 2142 01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:16.000 But the musicianship and how like ambitious and gradual. The 2143 01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:19.600 construction of these like phenomenal pieces is like genuinely world 2144 01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:22.760 class amongst like the best of the best. And this 2145 01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:25.960 is like not full black metal for a good like 2146 01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:29.079 fifty percent at least of the runtime. But there's always 2147 01:40:29.119 --> 01:40:31.800 so much going on that your senses are just feasting 2148 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:36.000 the whole time that Root Circle Usurper's track ends up 2149 01:40:36.039 --> 01:40:40.439 building to this phenomenal like cascading strings finale, and he 2150 01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:44.359 the vocalist, he hits this like wordplay where he goes 2151 01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:46.319 the only boar I don't a bore is a twelve 2152 01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:49.119 bore bores to the wall, and that is like simultaneously 2153 01:40:49.159 --> 01:40:51.640 a tongue twister. Yeah, when you think about it, hard 2154 01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:54.920 as fuck. You know, he's basically threatening to shoot people. 2155 01:40:55.600 --> 01:41:00.199 It's awesome. And then the final two songs, which take 2156 01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:05.199 up thirty two minutes collectively Sway Draped Invade. It's the dreamiest, 2157 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:11.159 most space rock influenced song with really centralized female vocals, 2158 01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:15.800 and then a full grooven psych rock passage in the 2159 01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:17.920 second half. It's like you've drifted into the uncoll acid 2160 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:20.000 soundtrack album from the other year. You know, like that 2161 01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:24.159 song goes so like leaves any sense of like we 2162 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:28.920 have to we are, you know, married to being an 2163 01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:30.880 extreme metal bad all the time. You know, we can 2164 01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:34.239 just upshop and explore these other textures and be fucking 2165 01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:35.720 wonderful at them. 2166 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:38.079 Yeah, I think this is my favorite song on the record, 2167 01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:40.000 having heard a bunch of times already. It's like it's 2168 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:42.960 the Texas Is Band are able to bring together. The 2169 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:46.239 opening cell of this song is as soothing as pretty 2170 01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:48.479 much anything I've heard this year in any genre. It's 2171 01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:52.119 it's it's kind of blissful that those guitars just shimmer, 2172 01:41:52.479 --> 01:41:56.560 the violins sound great, that choral organ is so warm, 2173 01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:01.680 and the basslines that just snake through it. It's it's beautiful. 2174 01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:07.239 And so Catherine Queen of the Ghosts just to getting 2175 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:10.159 her moments to shine vocally, she is such a perfect 2176 01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:12.600 foil to mister Curse because it's like, you're never going 2177 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:15.640 to match him for manic panic. So coming in with 2178 01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:21.760 this stoic, controlled, much more level headed performance, it it 2179 01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:25.039 readdresses your readdresses your metabolism for this sort of thing. 2180 01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:27.079 And it means when he comes back in, you go, 2181 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:30.239 oh yeah, that is fucking mental what he's doing. I should, 2182 01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:32.119 I should. It's good to be reminded of that. 2183 01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:35.000 Melodically, this album is so strong, like whether it be 2184 01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:37.720 her part or you know, the strings parts that she's doing, 2185 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:40.359 there are so many melodies across this you know Mammoth 2186 01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:44.119 runtime that really really connect with me, and for me, 2187 01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:47.119 it saved the best to last with the closer not 2188 01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:48.720 Drinking Water, which I think is going to be one 2189 01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:50.960 of the songs of the year. The opening seconds of 2190 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:53.920 that song might be the most English sound in existence, 2191 01:42:54.039 --> 01:42:57.960 which is a lone, dreary violin melody against the patter 2192 01:42:58.000 --> 01:42:59.720 of rain on a window, you know, like it just 2193 01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:03.159 it's sets the scene and the tone so intensely. And 2194 01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:06.800 that song is stunning. It's written about a Yorkshireman named 2195 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:09.640 Ben Hanson who threw himself into a reservoir in two 2196 01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:12.000 thousand and one. And I don't know what the personal 2197 01:43:12.039 --> 01:43:13.640 connection might be with the band for them to write 2198 01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:15.680 this particular song, but it dedicated him in the lyrics, 2199 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:18.880 and there's so much like somberness to that song and 2200 01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:22.319 this real, like really genuine depth of grief and emotion 2201 01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:26.520 and it's like Agalock level majestic that song. But through 2202 01:43:26.920 --> 01:43:29.840 the particular coiled prism of this like totally unique band, 2203 01:43:30.199 --> 01:43:32.800 and the crescendo for the last like five minutes whatever 2204 01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:36.880 it is, is totally gripping, and it's not like overblown, 2205 01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:39.880 over egged whatever, but it's just so beautifully textured. There's 2206 01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:44.039 this massive, like fuzzy synth bass sound that comes in 2207 01:43:44.319 --> 01:43:46.239 and the width of the sound that they start to 2208 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:49.680 play with and achieve on record with the guitar solos 2209 01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:53.920 atop it, and then like a legitimately incredible, otherworldly synth 2210 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:57.560 lead that comes in all while again the violins are 2211 01:43:57.560 --> 01:43:58.960 in there as well, that've been at the whole time. 2212 01:43:59.399 --> 01:44:02.520 It is a fucking knockout. The way this record, after 2213 01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:07.239 what could be again an overbeary, exhausting whole album Runtime two, 2214 01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:09.720 utterly like transfitt Me, the way it does in the 2215 01:44:09.800 --> 01:44:13.319 last like five minutes of our entire record is really special. 2216 01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:15.960 Yeah, I think this is pretty second favorite song on 2217 01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:17.560 the record, but I would say it's probably the most 2218 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:21.079 emotionally devastating of the bunch, and it just it sounds 2219 01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:24.680 like the band pushing itself to the absolute limits, where 2220 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:29.520 every every single facet is operating on eleven and there's 2221 01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:33.119 something inherently exciting about that, and it's just the maddening 2222 01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:36.840 cocophony that it produces. But fundamentally it would mean nothing 2223 01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:39.439 it It would not invite those repeated listeners we're talking about. 2224 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:42.880 If the song craft and the ability to write an 2225 01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:46.159 epic metal song in this style wasn't just top notch, 2226 01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:48.199 it would be a bit of a headache. If this 2227 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:52.079 didn't have a coherent through line for the listener to 2228 01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:54.920 follow and the way it bows out, it's just it 2229 01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:58.279 leaves you hollow. At the end of this, it feels 2230 01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:01.000 silly the other of putting anything else on after this album, 2231 01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:02.560 you you kind of have no choice but to listen 2232 01:45:02.600 --> 01:45:05.319 to it again because it's like what what what goes next? 2233 01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.880 After not drinking that That has been maybe my experience 2234 01:45:08.920 --> 01:45:10.560 with this. There's only six tracks, like I said, but 2235 01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:14.600 everyone at their full duration as well is just entrancing. 2236 01:45:14.640 --> 01:45:18.000 And there's this such a durin sound, you know, where 2237 01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:21.560 they've always sounded like you are attending the tea party 2238 01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:23.800 from Hell or something with this like blabbering mad hatter 2239 01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:25.880 figure at the front. That at the same time, what 2240 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:28.279 they're able to create sonically on this is so moving 2241 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:31.039 and so soothing at times as much as it is 2242 01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:35.039 at other times like grotesque and nightmarish. Like yeah, naturally, 2243 01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:37.920 it's a much smaller audience because it's so fucking eccentric 2244 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.119 and so peculiar. But I think you know, when you 2245 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:43.039 look at the latest records from Opeth or Blood Incantation 2246 01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:45.079 or whatever, and those bands who are able to speak 2247 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:48.159 to that kind of you know, Floydian Majesty or whatever 2248 01:45:48.359 --> 01:45:53.600 in a like boundary breaking extreme metal record. This strikes 2249 01:45:53.640 --> 01:45:55.920 me as the Musclessen in that guy's this year. You know, 2250 01:45:56.640 --> 01:46:00.680 it's it's much there's more to get past, maybe, but 2251 01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:02.920 in terms of like breadth of record and what they're 2252 01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.600 able to achieve, I don't see why this record should 2253 01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:09.880 be any less you know, respected than bands like that. 2254 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:13.520 Oh, it's totally in the frame of sort of seventies 2255 01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:16.239 progressive rock and world building like those records are. This 2256 01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:19.520 is an absolute slam dug. But also if something like 2257 01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:21.840 you know, we saw how popular the last Imperial Triumphant 2258 01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:24.079 record was, and that's obviously a very different sort of thing, 2259 01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:26.640 but that record showed and we talked about it is 2260 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:29.560 how much people are willing to go with mad shit 2261 01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:35.399 if it's executed with pomp and drama and is maybe 2262 01:46:35.399 --> 01:46:37.760 coherence enough for someone to grab hold of one thing 2263 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:41.079 here or there. The musical tapatries and the compositions on 2264 01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:45.039 this record are just out of this world, and you know, 2265 01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:47.239 kind of it's a bit like the Kalatan Brudos or 2266 01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:48.880 whatever they was sort of sing directly to you, like, 2267 01:46:48.920 --> 01:46:51.199 there's moments like that on the album, and enough of them. 2268 01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:53.279 I think where if you have any interest at all, 2269 01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:57.039 give it a go, like seventy three minutes, give it 2270 01:46:57.079 --> 01:46:58.800 one spin and see if you want to come back 2271 01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:00.680 for more. Because I suspend more people will get on 2272 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:04.239 board with this. Then the strict elevator pitch of what 2273 01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:07.640 this album does, it kind of implies. 2274 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:11.000 Yeah, like I but where the sord you cannot see. 2275 01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:14.279 I've had on the album Club standby for ages if 2276 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:16.560 we were to try and get Sam to listen to 2277 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:19.279 this band. But I think with this they might have 2278 01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:22.920 just now made their masterpiece. So Forest the Stars, Stack 2279 01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:26.319 Overflow in corpse Pile Interface and then released the very 2280 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:29.000 same day in what turned out to be a sensational 2281 01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:32.039 day for black metal fans who like strings in their metal, which, hello, 2282 01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:34.920 that's me. But from the other side of the Atlantic, 2283 01:47:35.680 --> 01:47:40.399 we have Panopticon with debt hem sucks Heltet. There we 2284 01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:45.119 Goopticon US musician, although he does use the Norwegian language 2285 01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:46.680 from time to time because there are a lot of 2286 01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:49.960 Scandinavian migrants in his in his region. We've spoken about 2287 01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:52.239 Popticon on the show before album Club and so on, 2288 01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:55.119 But if this is new to you, Panopticon has been 2289 01:47:55.199 --> 01:47:58.159 one of the leading bands in American black metal for 2290 01:47:58.199 --> 01:48:00.439 the past, you know, twenty years or so, the project 2291 01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:03.960 of one man, Austin Lunn. He has developed quite a 2292 01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:06.520 beloved outfit with Panopticon over the years, really at the 2293 01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:09.479 forefront of, as I said, the American black metal sound. 2294 01:48:09.560 --> 01:48:13.680 Sometimes he has incorporated more bluegrass and like overt American 2295 01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:17.479 folk instrumentation, as on records like Kentucky or Rose to 2296 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.960 the North. Sometimes he incorporates a little more post rock, 2297 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:22.079 as I think he does on passages of this record. 2298 01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:24.920 And again you go to the right corners like a 2299 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:27.560 Fortress festival for example, where Pinopticon played two years in 2300 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:28.279 a row recently. 2301 01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:30.119 It's going to be an intensely. 2302 01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:34.359 Beloved band Elliott historically as part of the two thousands, 2303 01:48:34.399 --> 01:48:36.359 you know us black metal movement, where you might put 2304 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:39.079 them beside Agaloc or Walls in the Throne room, et cetera. 2305 01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:41.039 Would you describe yourself as a Panopticon fan in the 2306 01:48:41.079 --> 01:48:42.880 way that we would absolutely describe ourselves as fans of 2307 01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:44.359 those bands totally. 2308 01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:46.960 I love this band, and they're a band that I 2309 01:48:47.119 --> 01:48:49.800 forget how much I love. My brain always goes to 2310 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:52.439 that run of Kentucky, Rose to the North and Auto 2311 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:54.840 maternal because when I was kind of becoming in a 2312 01:48:54.920 --> 01:48:57.520 formative years a black metal fan, those three albums coming 2313 01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:01.279 out quite quickly, one after the other. Yeah, just ideal 2314 01:49:01.439 --> 01:49:03.439 that kind of could not have been better. And then 2315 01:49:03.479 --> 01:49:06.800 for some reason I forget how much I love the 2316 01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:08.640 Scars of Man and again Into the Light and the 2317 01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:13.000 Rhyme of Memory, which are all spectacular as well. Quietly, 2318 01:49:13.439 --> 01:49:17.159 the run that they've had is about as long as 2319 01:49:17.199 --> 01:49:21.920 any black metal band this century of genuinely brilliant records, 2320 01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:24.159 and it stretches back further than Kentucky, I should say 2321 01:49:24.199 --> 01:49:28.920 as well. But for whatever reason, I I'll occasionally forget 2322 01:49:29.479 --> 01:49:30.319 how brilliant they are. 2323 01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:33.640 Yeah, I like some of those records you mentioned more 2324 01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:36.479 than other ones, but I would think there are like 2325 01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:41.319 there are separate as in like there are now distinct 2326 01:49:41.359 --> 01:49:42.720 pinopticon runs that have occurred. 2327 01:49:42.840 --> 01:49:43.039 Right. 2328 01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:46.159 You could even say, like the records pre Kentucky kind 2329 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:49.800 of form their own little period where He's yeah, maybe 2330 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:52.720 explored some more like oppressive sounds on some of those records. 2331 01:49:52.760 --> 01:49:54.920 And then you have like the you can always describe 2332 01:49:55.000 --> 01:49:57.159 as like the bluegrass era, you know, with those the 2333 01:49:57.279 --> 01:50:01.079 classic twenty tens records, there were a couple of Panopticon 2334 01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:03.439 records that came out last year, but those were more 2335 01:50:03.479 --> 01:50:05.800 like sort of appendices, right, those were, like, you know, 2336 01:50:06.079 --> 01:50:08.199 one of them was unnersing a lot of like fifteen 2337 01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:10.399 year old songs. Another one was a full on country 2338 01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:13.560 record like he sometimes does. This one is described more 2339 01:50:13.560 --> 01:50:16.359 as the closing of a trilogy that includes and Again 2340 01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:18.760 Into the Light from twenty twenty one and the Rhyme 2341 01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:20.520 of Memory in twenty twenty three. And this is where 2342 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:23.800 I say they are like separate runs going on the 2343 01:50:23.880 --> 01:50:26.439 latter of those albums. The Rhyme of Memory kind of 2344 01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:29.119 reinvigorated my love for Panopticon in a big way. Like 2345 01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:32.600 I had not like fully fallen in love with a 2346 01:50:32.600 --> 01:50:34.800 record of his to the level that I would normally 2347 01:50:34.840 --> 01:50:37.520 like since Autumn Maternal, But then that record came out 2348 01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:39.840 and fucking knocked my socks off. It came out right 2349 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:41.159 at the end of that year, as we were doing 2350 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:43.119 our end of the year stuff, hence not really talking 2351 01:50:43.159 --> 01:50:45.520 about it. But I think that that one is one 2352 01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:47.560 of his very best, to the point that I always 2353 01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:50.159 thought that Roast to the North was the Pannoticon album 2354 01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:52.479 that I would hold dearest, but the rhyme of Memory, 2355 01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:54.439 I can honestly say, I think is about as least 2356 01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:57.960 as good, and it's got like a distinct tone I 2357 01:50:57.960 --> 01:51:00.720 think to that great twenty tens run because it's almost apocalyptic. 2358 01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:03.279 Like there's something about this run of records we're in 2359 01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:06.479 now that feels like if this is a project with 2360 01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:09.880 a heavy emphasis on you know, nature and the woodlands 2361 01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:13.399 and these kind of sounds, sometimes that's more welcoming and homely. 2362 01:51:14.319 --> 01:51:17.079 These are more like desperate and blinding, And the rhymer 2363 01:51:17.159 --> 01:51:19.079 Memory is a record that has this real sense of 2364 01:51:19.079 --> 01:51:21.920 destruction to it, like these landscapes are burning up, you know, 2365 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:24.720 and people are becoming more and more isolated. And if 2366 01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:26.399 you go on the band camp page for this record 2367 01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:28.720 and you're interested, there's like a whole essay that he's 2368 01:51:28.720 --> 01:51:31.319 pretty much written about, like the themes of this record, 2369 01:51:31.359 --> 01:51:33.800 which range from you know, kind of a metaphor of 2370 01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:36.600 the Cariboo going extinct in the area where he is, 2371 01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:40.399 to the mixing of like immigrant cultures together, to you know, 2372 01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:45.239 dishonest fetishizing of like wilderness, you know, survivalist lifestyles or whatever. 2373 01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:47.399 Like he's pretty much written a novel that goes through 2374 01:51:47.720 --> 01:51:50.560 this record, but this album being positioned as a direct 2375 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:52.800 link in that chain had me very much interested and 2376 01:51:54.039 --> 01:51:55.479 Elliott I will throw it to you if you know, 2377 01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:57.560 think it's any different or whatever. But I also think 2378 01:51:57.600 --> 01:51:59.359 coming of the back of a record that I loved 2379 01:51:59.640 --> 01:52:02.680 in the time of Memory and for me was again 2380 01:52:03.199 --> 01:52:07.479 a new dawn of me really loving this band following 2381 01:52:07.560 --> 01:52:10.239 up this is basically exactly what I would want to 2382 01:52:10.279 --> 01:52:12.079 continue that and it is again absolutely excellent. 2383 01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:16.479 Yeah, this is maybe my favorite since Auto Maternal, and 2384 01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:19.159 I regree the best since then. Before this was the 2385 01:52:19.199 --> 01:52:22.760 rhyme of Memory. I think the album was spectacular, and 2386 01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:24.720 it's again it kind of I don't think it got 2387 01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:26.119 discussed all that much of the time, and it took 2388 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:28.680 a while for me to really realize how much I 2389 01:52:28.720 --> 01:52:31.720 love that record straight away. With this one, I am 2390 01:52:32.680 --> 01:52:35.560 kind of in all of this band all over again. There's, 2391 01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:39.159 for whatever reason, there seems to be a I don't 2392 01:52:39.159 --> 01:52:42.000 know if like purpose is the word necessarily, but there's 2393 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:45.880 something so urgent and potent about this holm in particular, 2394 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:48.239 more so than there has been in a what maybe 2395 01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:51.199 ever because those great records I earlier of Kentucky up 2396 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:55.319 to Auto Maternal, those film, more atmospheric and like love 2397 01:52:55.399 --> 01:52:59.239 letters to certain regions, and you know the kind of it. 2398 01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:02.399 There's an adventuring element to them. These are sort of 2399 01:53:03.479 --> 01:53:08.720 more like panicked and sad, like desperately sad put times, 2400 01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:12.920 but that makes them kind of achingly beautiful as well 2401 01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:16.039 as furious, and that has always been the juxtaposition that 2402 01:53:16.079 --> 01:53:21.079 makes this style of black metal great. And this is 2403 01:53:21.399 --> 01:53:23.600 honestly really close with the Fosterstars from my album of 2404 01:53:23.640 --> 01:53:26.640 the month this time I am properly head over heels 2405 01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:27.479 for it. 2406 01:53:27.479 --> 01:53:29.560 It's been a really good few weeks for this kind 2407 01:53:29.600 --> 01:53:32.279 of stuff, right, because, Yeah, if you like your black 2408 01:53:32.319 --> 01:53:34.840 metal that leans to the more wind sweat atmospheric side, 2409 01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:38.079 and you somehow don't know Panopticon, yeah, then hopefully you're 2410 01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:39.279 going to love this. And this is not a bad 2411 01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:41.800 place to start. As we said, he's you know, really 2412 01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:45.319 bringing it to a distinctly American tradition of black metal 2413 01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:48.239 that feels like you in you know, the snowy woods 2414 01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:51.520 of Minnesota where he's currently based. And this album does 2415 01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:53.800 bring a lot more of the post rock flavoring than 2416 01:53:53.840 --> 01:53:56.439 some of the records have done. Like I said, in 2417 01:53:56.479 --> 01:53:58.880 conjunction with the Forest of stars. There are strings galore 2418 01:53:59.159 --> 01:54:04.039 on this thing, just like stunning, exhilaratingly arranged string sections 2419 01:54:04.119 --> 01:54:07.479 over I mean you mentioned cigaros for a previous record. 2420 01:54:07.840 --> 01:54:10.800 The first few minutes of the opener, Woodland Caribou are 2421 01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:14.239 like I Am in a fucking Attenburg documentary and isn't 2422 01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:15.359 the world so enchanting? 2423 01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:15.560 You know? 2424 01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:17.359 And it's in absolutely no hurry to get to the 2425 01:54:17.359 --> 01:54:21.920 fast metal stuff, but it's beautiful, and eventually, like seven 2426 01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:24.560 minutes into its twelve minute runtime, it does hit the 2427 01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:27.720 black metal blast and it's really earned it, and it 2428 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:31.720 really feels like it has, you know, steadily across that runtime, 2429 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:35.159 it has like developed a handful of core melodies, which 2430 01:54:35.199 --> 01:54:36.840 is something that he does particularly well. 2431 01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:40.640 Oh yeah, totally. I mean, like you say, it's what 2432 01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:44.720 seven minutes before the damn really breaks, and when it does, 2433 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:49.199 it's just the amount of fury that this has because 2434 01:54:49.279 --> 01:54:51.720 a lot of bands in this style who operate more 2435 01:54:51.720 --> 01:54:57.000 in the making music that's beautiful and patient, they don't 2436 01:54:57.000 --> 01:54:59.720 really even ones I love like Wolves in the Throne Room, 2437 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.079 I wouldn't say they ever have much attack, if you 2438 01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:05.920 know what I mean. It's a different sort of approach 2439 01:55:06.159 --> 01:55:09.359 and not any worse one, of course, but there is 2440 01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:12.439 something about when Pinopsicon put the pedal down which sounds 2441 01:55:12.640 --> 01:55:15.000 particularly in vigorates, particularly exciting. I think Austin is one 2442 01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:18.319 of the most distinct howls of anyone in Black Male. 2443 01:55:18.319 --> 01:55:20.000 You can tell it's him the second he starts in 2444 01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:21.960 just the way he's mixed on this to sound like 2445 01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:24.600 he's bellowing up from the bottom of the cave. Was 2446 01:55:24.640 --> 01:55:27.760 like the rest of the music is this smothering blizzard. 2447 01:55:28.479 --> 01:55:30.680 It's just so evocative and let you say, because the 2448 01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:33.279 song isn't in a rush to get going, when that 2449 01:55:33.359 --> 01:55:35.439 damn breaks at the end, it just feels all the 2450 01:55:35.479 --> 01:55:37.279 more propulse fro and powerful. And it's just that again, 2451 01:55:37.319 --> 01:55:40.079 that level of song craft which carries you through the 2452 01:55:40.119 --> 01:55:43.439 record and means it's not it's never predictable, but it's 2453 01:55:43.560 --> 01:55:44.680 continually satisfying. 2454 01:55:45.479 --> 01:55:47.800 Yeah, I mean, I think that he has a drummer 2455 01:55:48.319 --> 01:55:53.359 is one of the most like crazy, erratic black metal 2456 01:55:53.439 --> 01:55:57.560 drummers on the planet, and when he brings that flavor 2457 01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:00.520 to the table. If there is one really odd thing 2458 01:56:00.760 --> 01:56:02.840 of that Pronopticon that you will have to adjust to, 2459 01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:06.560 is they are such an in house production like this 2460 01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:10.199 is Austin's vision and his work. There are no pointers 2461 01:56:10.279 --> 01:56:13.239 from a more mainstream metal label on how he should 2462 01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:15.960 handle his production or anything like that, like for how 2463 01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:18.960 comparatively popular within the black metal underground this band is. 2464 01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:22.720 He often has really abtuse mixes, like the drums are 2465 01:56:22.760 --> 01:56:26.800 so loud and his style is again so fucking intense, 2466 01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:30.640 and then you mix that with the barrage of strings 2467 01:56:30.640 --> 01:56:32.680 and cacoffon as sounds and they say the vocals are 2468 01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:34.960 coming from half a mile away. It's not, you know, 2469 01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:39.199 conventionally mixed, commercially minded black metal by any means. And 2470 01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:41.640 I understand why that might be jarring for someone at first. 2471 01:56:41.840 --> 01:56:43.920 Some of the albums he gets it less right, you know, 2472 01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:45.520 there is a bouncing out that goes on. They are 2473 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:49.520 really dense, potentially quite ear fatiguing records. But these last 2474 01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:51.479 two albums particularly do really work for me. And they're 2475 01:56:51.640 --> 01:56:55.600 very full bodied and physically powerful, and the black metal 2476 01:56:55.640 --> 01:56:57.920 is really raw and fiery, but these orchestral parts are 2477 01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:02.560 genuinely or inspiring. Caribou is such a beautiful start of 2478 01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:04.359 the record, but then you have following songs that, as 2479 01:57:04.399 --> 01:57:08.239 you say, are kind of darker and more panicked and scarier, 2480 01:57:08.479 --> 01:57:12.079 such as The Great Silence Extinct, which is a flavor that, again, 2481 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:13.800 out of this run of records, does jump out of 2482 01:57:13.880 --> 01:57:16.640 me because the aral battery that you got going on 2483 01:57:17.079 --> 01:57:19.880 with Rifts, that turd something a bit more intense. On 2484 01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:21.840 songs like that that have this real panicked, you know, 2485 01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:24.960 frightening feeling, this real aggravation and pain. There's a song 2486 01:57:25.000 --> 01:57:27.960 called a Culture of Wilderness, which is essentially the song 2487 01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.319 that most gives me more of what I loved about 2488 01:57:30.359 --> 01:57:33.840 the rhyme of Memory, which is that intense, raging, wildfire 2489 01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:36.279 sense of drama. Like the strings Rifts hit on that 2490 01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:39.880 from word go. They are so crazy, Like they are 2491 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:42.640 so hammering and oppressive, you know what I mean while 2492 01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:43.479 being an orchestral part. 2493 01:57:44.399 --> 01:57:46.520 Yeah, but also that You're right, they're hammering and impressive, 2494 01:57:46.520 --> 01:57:48.640 but they're also kind of light footed and playful and 2495 01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:51.640 juxtaposed with the metal on that song, because that's some 2496 01:57:51.680 --> 01:57:55.800 of the most menacing and ferocious black mel that has 2497 01:57:55.880 --> 01:58:01.000 ever appeared on record, and it has these brightly but 2498 01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:05.159 also scary uh string arrangements over the top of it, 2499 01:58:05.199 --> 01:58:06.600 and it's just again, it's funny you say that thing 2500 01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:08.199 about the mix because while I totally hear what you're 2501 01:58:08.199 --> 01:58:11.119 saying and I agree that that is the case, I 2502 01:58:11.119 --> 01:58:13.520 think it sounds so appropriate for these songs, like it 2503 01:58:13.520 --> 01:58:16.960 would sound strange, stranger to me at least if it 2504 01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:21.560 didn't have this cacophonous tontal. It makes those moments so 2505 01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:24.439 fucking intense in a way I don't think they would 2506 01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:28.479 be if the production wasn't so in house. And I mean, 2507 01:58:28.520 --> 01:58:31.199 for me, the absolute krem de la crem at this record, 2508 01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:33.359 and I just want to get to it. Blood and 2509 01:58:33.399 --> 01:58:40.359 fur upon the melting snow. That is again contender for 2510 01:58:40.439 --> 01:58:42.920 song of the Year for me. That I where the 2511 01:58:43.039 --> 01:58:46.199 hell has that melody been all my life? I'm not 2512 01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:48.079 sure there's another black mast when I've heard in recently 2513 01:58:48.159 --> 01:58:51.119 is that feels so perfectly designed to reduce the listener 2514 01:58:51.159 --> 01:58:55.920 to tears. It's so sweeping and again to much juxtaposition 2515 01:58:56.399 --> 01:59:02.079 that dramatic, empowering swell or chestral arrangement over a fucking 2516 01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:02.640 d beat. 2517 01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:07.560 Come on, that's the little flavor that gave me some 2518 01:59:07.640 --> 01:59:09.560 other it's something like dods, dods eat Feelings or something 2519 01:59:09.560 --> 01:59:11.560 like that, you know, because I think the last album 2520 01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:16.000 I found to be bleaker this one has songs like 2521 01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:18.920 the Great Science Extinct and a Culture Wilderness that capture 2522 01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:21.199 that as well, but this album also tempers it with 2523 01:59:21.239 --> 01:59:23.640 these like gorgeous resolutions and a more back and forth 2524 01:59:23.840 --> 01:59:25.680 sensibility and songs like Blood and thur Up on the 2525 01:59:25.680 --> 01:59:28.640 Melting Snow. I challenge anyone to not light up a 2526 01:59:28.680 --> 01:59:31.159 grin when that kicks in, Like it's just the winder 2527 01:59:31.159 --> 01:59:32.880 in your sales, you know what I mean? As you say, 2528 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:35.039 like on a punk beat with these entwining like guitar 2529 01:59:35.119 --> 01:59:37.560 and strings, melodies and stuff, and then it does still 2530 01:59:37.560 --> 01:59:39.840 reach a point where it meets it simmers down into 2531 01:59:39.840 --> 01:59:44.279 this like rolling post rock section with like a echoing melody. 2532 01:59:44.319 --> 01:59:45.920 It's on like a xylophone or something. It sounds a 2533 01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:48.119 lot closer to like Mono and bands like that, And 2534 01:59:48.159 --> 01:59:51.199 it is this, you know, every turn through something like 2535 01:59:51.239 --> 01:59:54.640 that is so fluid and so complimentary. I've even realized 2536 01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:56.640 on my first like several listeners, because again the mix 2537 01:59:56.720 --> 01:59:58.159 is like, you know, huge and swirling, but there's a 2538 01:59:58.159 --> 02:00:01.439 different guest vocalist on every song of this. The opener 2539 02:00:01.479 --> 02:00:03.880 has Alex from Fall of Fafar and Light Better on It, 2540 02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:05.640 which is sick as how, and that part is great. 2541 02:00:06.239 --> 02:00:08.239 Otherwise there's lots of people who are like very much 2542 02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:10.079 in you know, part of the Pinopticon family, like bands 2543 02:00:10.119 --> 02:00:12.399 like Falls of Raw Ross and Vaga Fluster and stuff 2544 02:00:12.399 --> 02:00:14.279 like that. But because it is this you know, great 2545 02:00:14.399 --> 02:00:18.920 mixing pot alongside those like hurricanes of string arrangements, you 2546 02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:21.359 do have the more American country elements that come in 2547 02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:22.920 from Time, like that, you know, the pedal and the 2548 02:00:22.960 --> 02:00:26.119 lap steel and the last track basically just being a 2549 02:00:26.119 --> 02:00:28.640 country song for the first few minutes with Austin's like 2550 02:00:28.680 --> 02:00:32.359 really you know, raw, unpolished but really genuine singing voice, 2551 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:36.760 like proper genuine country as a part of black metal 2552 02:00:37.119 --> 02:00:38.439 is a flavor that really does work. 2553 02:00:39.399 --> 02:00:42.039 Yeah, that reminded me of the I'm forgetting what it's 2554 02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:44.600 called now, the last song on that last Internma record, 2555 02:00:44.760 --> 02:00:47.039 where it was all right, yeah, and it's just it's 2556 02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:49.439 a change of gears that still feels coherence to the 2557 02:00:49.439 --> 02:00:52.880 record but is really different but not kind of done 2558 02:00:52.920 --> 02:00:55.600 this before and had done whole albums dedicated to this style. 2559 02:00:56.279 --> 02:00:58.479 There's something about the Time doing it here, which for 2560 02:00:58.520 --> 02:01:02.119 whatever reason, it just resonated that much more open sounding 2561 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:05.239 like Pink Floyd at their most cosmic, but it has 2562 02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:08.520 got slide guitars in this really warm bass and again 2563 02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:11.000 the fiddle, so I've given away there, but the violin 2564 02:01:11.079 --> 02:01:14.720 on this song, it's not a sort of stiff performance, 2565 02:01:14.840 --> 02:01:16.199 not that it is at any other point in the record, 2566 02:01:16.199 --> 02:01:20.279 but particularly here it sounds like a fiddle. It's like 2567 02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:25.760 it feels improvisational, and it just I get the ability 2568 02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:28.960 to feel improvisational in a song which is so clearly arranged. 2569 02:01:29.720 --> 02:01:32.159 That's remarkable. And as a way to close this album, 2570 02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:34.079 which as you've said, has been such an up and 2571 02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:37.720 down emotional experience where sometimes it's so triumphant and sometimes 2572 02:01:37.720 --> 02:01:40.640 it's so furious, and sometimes it's even defeated. To go 2573 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:44.279 on this on a song which really does feel like 2574 02:01:44.279 --> 02:01:49.319 the conclusion of that trilogy, it's such emotionally satisfying musical storytelling. 2575 02:01:50.039 --> 02:01:52.359 Yeah, there's like a fiddle in the White Cedars as well. 2576 02:01:52.399 --> 02:01:54.399 That just that little part makes my heart saying I 2577 02:01:54.439 --> 02:01:57.359 do think the strings that come in as are so moving, 2578 02:01:57.399 --> 02:02:01.039 they're so filling. Once again, the same with the Forest Stars. 2579 02:02:01.319 --> 02:02:03.399 The places that this is able to build to and 2580 02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:05.960 the sounds that is able to achieve, like patiently following 2581 02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:08.920 through each of its ideas are magic and the melodies 2582 02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:12.880 are unbelievable. On this it's another really strong album Panopticon, 2583 02:02:13.319 --> 02:02:14.920 where I think we might be in a bit of 2584 02:02:14.920 --> 02:02:17.399 a you know, at least second, if not third, you know, 2585 02:02:17.439 --> 02:02:19.800 Golden Nearer with them at the moment, which is it 2586 02:02:19.800 --> 02:02:21.840 makes me very happy to say that you know about 2587 02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:25.319 that Pronopticon, So definitely check out that new record debt 2588 02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:29.960 hum Sottet. And finally, our last hour discussion in our 2589 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:32.479 Perusing of the Underground that's largely taken up this month's episode. 2590 02:02:32.520 --> 02:02:34.399 This may be the freshest of the bunch, as we 2591 02:02:34.439 --> 02:02:36.720 are not catching you up to speed with some ten 2592 02:02:36.760 --> 02:02:38.399 to twenty ear our project. We are going to a 2593 02:02:38.439 --> 02:02:41.720 newer band. It's Simitar and Cemetarium two is the album 2594 02:02:41.760 --> 02:02:43.920 they've put out this year. If you have been a 2595 02:02:44.399 --> 02:02:46.720 religious week in, week out listener of this podcast, you 2596 02:02:46.760 --> 02:02:49.279 will have heard us reference Simitar before, where they put 2597 02:02:49.279 --> 02:02:51.960 out their first album last year. Mark and I both 2598 02:02:52.079 --> 02:02:54.800 mentioned them in and around the end of year podcast 2599 02:02:54.840 --> 02:02:57.279 because it was absolutely wicked, but foolishly we didn't take 2600 02:02:57.319 --> 02:02:59.039 time for a proper review. So I'm fixing that here 2601 02:02:59.119 --> 02:03:02.239 and Cimitarium two very naturally follows hot on the heels 2602 02:03:02.279 --> 02:03:05.560 of Cemetarium one. These guys are from Copenhagen and they've 2603 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:07.520 put these albums out on crips of the Wizard, which 2604 02:03:07.560 --> 02:03:09.640 originally was just a record store in London. Brilliant place, 2605 02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:12.680 excellent people, but as you know, turn into a label 2606 02:03:12.680 --> 02:03:15.680 now and they have caused a real stir in like 2607 02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:18.520 the deep underground, like just for a name drop. For 2608 02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:20.600 an example, I had a chat with mister Lamper Murmur 2609 02:03:20.640 --> 02:03:22.039 at the end of last year for a feature and 2610 02:03:22.079 --> 02:03:23.600 when I asked him, like, what new stuff he'd been 2611 02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:26.199 listening to, he was like that Simitar band rip. It's 2612 02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:27.840 a real like you know, if you're in you know, 2613 02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:30.079 you know kind of thing. At the moment, Elliott, when 2614 02:03:30.119 --> 02:03:31.920 I put this forward, you said you had not yet 2615 02:03:31.960 --> 02:03:34.560 listened to the first Cemetarium record from last year, so 2616 02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:36.760 I suggested maybe you give that when I listened first. 2617 02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:39.840 And I think that these two records together as a 2618 02:03:39.960 --> 02:03:41.600 you know, here's a new band. They put these two 2619 02:03:41.640 --> 02:03:44.920 records inside eighteen months of each other. They give you 2620 02:03:45.359 --> 02:03:47.520 the best overview of what this band are about. Really, 2621 02:03:47.720 --> 02:03:49.199 I am going to go in on why I think 2622 02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:50.600 this band are brilliant and why they're one of the 2623 02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:52.279 best new metal bands in the world right now. But 2624 02:03:52.319 --> 02:03:54.159 in case this ends up being one of those ones 2625 02:03:54.359 --> 02:03:56.680 where you don't quite jive on the same page as I, 2626 02:03:56.680 --> 02:03:58.600 I will check in on you first. What did you 2627 02:03:58.640 --> 02:04:01.079 make of your you know, newly introduced time with a 2628 02:04:01.199 --> 02:04:02.399 scimitar across the two. 2629 02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:06.079 Records well before I went into it forever reason and 2630 02:04:06.159 --> 02:04:09.079 I can't explain it. I just decided in my head 2631 02:04:09.119 --> 02:04:11.359 before hearing it that this was gonna sound like the 2632 02:04:11.399 --> 02:04:14.159 Devil's Blood or Blood Ceremony stuff. I just thought that's 2633 02:04:14.199 --> 02:04:16.079 what it was. I don't know if it was the 2634 02:04:16.119 --> 02:04:18.439 crypt of the Wizard Association or the names. There's a 2635 02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:21.439 little lick to it, there's a little bit of that. 2636 02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:23.920 But I thought, if this is going to be the 2637 02:04:23.960 --> 02:04:28.319 good Time sort of seventies proto boogie record of the month, 2638 02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:30.079 and we're gonna be nice, I'm gonna be double thumbs 2639 02:04:30.119 --> 02:04:31.640 up at the younger and yeah, what a nice time. 2640 02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:35.920 And then they start and then I shot myself because 2641 02:04:35.920 --> 02:04:42.520 this is way more outsider and subversive and perverted and 2642 02:04:42.680 --> 02:04:45.720 straight's up dangerous sounding than I was expecting it to be. 2643 02:04:46.520 --> 02:04:46.760 Uh. 2644 02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:49.720 I don't I don't know what to how you described 2645 02:04:49.720 --> 02:04:52.600 this record or what genre it fits comfortably into if 2646 02:04:52.640 --> 02:04:57.239 it fits into one, I do know that it's fucking badass. 2647 02:04:57.920 --> 02:04:59.119 Hell yeah, they are. 2648 02:04:59.199 --> 02:05:02.680 I think they're one of the most striking and kind 2649 02:05:02.720 --> 02:05:05.239 of fully formed from what I can tell sounds in 2650 02:05:05.319 --> 02:05:07.960 a new heavy metal band in ages. I would ultimately say, 2651 02:05:07.960 --> 02:05:11.000 at its core, this is a heavy metal band, because 2652 02:05:11.800 --> 02:05:13.439 for me, when the first album came out, there was 2653 02:05:13.439 --> 02:05:17.239 a lot of reference points from the more crazed, subversive 2654 02:05:17.359 --> 02:05:19.399 end of the new wave British heavy metal, with bands 2655 02:05:19.399 --> 02:05:22.199 like Satan and obviously outside of the UK you can 2656 02:05:22.199 --> 02:05:25.079 point to you know, Merciful Fate and like basically dark 2657 02:05:25.640 --> 02:05:29.199 classic heavy metal. But Scimitar are playing that with so 2658 02:05:29.399 --> 02:05:32.600 much fucking piss and vinegar that that loops all the 2659 02:05:32.600 --> 02:05:36.079 way around to being extreme metal. And it's it's almost like, 2660 02:05:37.199 --> 02:05:38.960 it doesn't feel right to call it first wave black 2661 02:05:38.960 --> 02:05:41.279 metal because it doesn't sound like Bathery or hell Hammer 2662 02:05:41.359 --> 02:05:44.119 or stuff like that. It's, you know, something more primitive instead. 2663 02:05:44.600 --> 02:05:47.239 I guess the most accurate descriptor would be like blackened 2664 02:05:47.279 --> 02:05:50.600 heavy metal. They've injected a massive black metal flavoring from 2665 02:05:50.640 --> 02:05:53.399 the underground backwards into the heavy metal they're playing, if 2666 02:05:53.399 --> 02:05:56.159 that makes sense either way. The end result is so 2667 02:05:56.359 --> 02:06:00.319 fucking like sparky and crackling with aggressive intense, and I 2668 02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:04.000 agree danger in a way that most heavy metal bands 2669 02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:05.920 ain't dangerous anymore. That's just the way it is. But 2670 02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:08.800 this one, and we haven't even got to the vocals yet, 2671 02:06:08.800 --> 02:06:11.640 which are like a whole other thing, entirely very little 2672 02:06:11.680 --> 02:06:14.560 to do with either conventional black metal or heavy metal. 2673 02:06:14.800 --> 02:06:16.640 But the overall package of this is something I would 2674 02:06:16.640 --> 02:06:20.680 describe as legitimately unchained, Like this is heavy metal that 2675 02:06:20.720 --> 02:06:23.039 you could not record on pro tools or anything like that. 2676 02:06:23.159 --> 02:06:25.479 I'd be surprised if they use a click track. If 2677 02:06:25.479 --> 02:06:30.399 you crave that old feeling of recordings that were genuinely raucous. 2678 02:06:30.760 --> 02:06:32.800 And that doesn't mean you're just wanting a throwback, right 2679 02:06:32.880 --> 02:06:34.800 like it's better back then, nostalgia or whatever. That's not what 2680 02:06:34.840 --> 02:06:36.199 I'm talking about. That's not what this is. This is 2681 02:06:36.199 --> 02:06:39.039 a really fresh sound, but it's a new band who 2682 02:06:39.439 --> 02:06:45.760 authentically and genuinely sound so utterly violent and demented that 2683 02:06:45.880 --> 02:06:50.920 Scimitar are like maybe just the most like freakish, deliriously 2684 02:06:50.960 --> 02:06:53.439 so heavy metal band on the planet right now. And 2685 02:06:53.439 --> 02:06:55.880 that is true in different ways. There are things about 2686 02:06:55.880 --> 02:06:57.439 the second record that really took me back compared to 2687 02:06:57.479 --> 02:06:59.079 you know, knowing the first one. But across the two, 2688 02:06:59.079 --> 02:07:01.319 as I say, if you give someone these two records 2689 02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:03.079 as I have with you and go, here's this band, 2690 02:07:03.359 --> 02:07:06.159 that is very true across both of them. Just the 2691 02:07:06.199 --> 02:07:09.279 fucking force at which they come out at you. Well, 2692 02:07:09.319 --> 02:07:11.039 that's why I use the word outsider. 2693 02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:14.880 I use it quite deliberately because it's it's not like, again, 2694 02:07:14.920 --> 02:07:17.399 if you say black and Heavy Metal just tick something, 2695 02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:19.560 it's similar like black and Thrash when we talk at 2696 02:07:19.560 --> 02:07:22.640 something like Midnight, there's as not that. No, there's a 2697 02:07:22.680 --> 02:07:24.800 joy to its simplicity. And we're listening to go like, oh, 2698 02:07:24.800 --> 02:07:26.600 he does the thing that sounds like so and so, 2699 02:07:26.640 --> 02:07:28.359 and he's doing that thing, and that's clearly a reference 2700 02:07:28.399 --> 02:07:31.479 to bread and it's it's it's not necessarily a you know, 2701 02:07:31.600 --> 02:07:33.760 things were better back then, but it's going I love 2702 02:07:33.800 --> 02:07:35.880 all that stuff and I'm bringing it in and I'm 2703 02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:39.560 winking and nudging at you. You listen to this and 2704 02:07:39.720 --> 02:07:41.600 Black and Heavy mel it's not clear to me that 2705 02:07:41.640 --> 02:07:44.199 these people even like think that's like Venom and Iron 2706 02:07:44.199 --> 02:07:47.039 Maiden and you just priest. I'm sure they do, but 2707 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:50.159 it feels more like they're using those tools to produce 2708 02:07:50.159 --> 02:07:53.760 something that is more in line with like d Amanda 2709 02:07:53.840 --> 02:07:57.600 Gallas or something like that. But yeah, but also not 2710 02:07:57.720 --> 02:07:59.720 outside of heavy metal. It still feels like something that 2711 02:07:59.720 --> 02:08:03.680 you could put on, you know, maybe late at night 2712 02:08:03.720 --> 02:08:05.600 on the Sophia Line caster stage, a bloodstock something if 2713 02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:08.399 you want to sing a bit more extreme to bowl 2714 02:08:08.399 --> 02:08:11.399 things out, but and yet connected to all that other stuff. 2715 02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:16.119 It's it's a real paradox of a record. This where 2716 02:08:16.199 --> 02:08:18.039 you're going, this is the thing that's great about it, 2717 02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:19.800 but also that's not true, because this is the thing 2718 02:08:19.800 --> 02:08:21.640 that's great about it, But that can't possibly be true 2719 02:08:21.640 --> 02:08:25.000 because this is it. It's just it's really hard to 2720 02:08:25.039 --> 02:08:27.199 get a grip on exactly what this is doing. And 2721 02:08:27.239 --> 02:08:30.199 that's that is what makes it ultimately so exciting. 2722 02:08:30.840 --> 02:08:32.680 Yeah, and I saw them at the black Heart at 2723 02:08:32.720 --> 02:08:34.439 the start this month, and what you just described is 2724 02:08:34.479 --> 02:08:37.279 also the case visually, right, They were like an assault 2725 02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:39.199 on the senses from all angles. You know, like a 2726 02:08:39.199 --> 02:08:42.680 lot of the instrumental players dressed like seventies heavy metal 2727 02:08:42.760 --> 02:08:46.039 metals from you know, Sweden or Denmark. But then they've 2728 02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:47.680 got this, you know singer at the front who half 2729 02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:50.800 the time is just like genuinely buggying and getting down, 2730 02:08:51.079 --> 02:08:54.359 and then other half the time like staring at the 2731 02:08:54.239 --> 02:08:56.479 in the front like you're going to eat their face. 2732 02:08:56.520 --> 02:08:59.720 It's amazing. The first song a conitterm from the first 2733 02:08:59.720 --> 02:09:05.039 album has some of the most like insanely catchy, ear wormy, 2734 02:09:05.199 --> 02:09:07.720 rollicking heavy metal lead lines I've heard since the glory 2735 02:09:07.760 --> 02:09:09.399 days of like in Solitude you know who I think 2736 02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:11.800 would be again another comparison point, but only in some ways, 2737 02:09:11.800 --> 02:09:14.119 because there are also many other ways where they really 2738 02:09:14.159 --> 02:09:17.039 differ in sound completely different, some like in Solitude. But 2739 02:09:17.079 --> 02:09:19.800 then you have the singer Sham who, as I said, 2740 02:09:19.880 --> 02:09:22.720 is neither a traditional heavy metal singer nor a black 2741 02:09:22.760 --> 02:09:25.640 metal screecher. She is definitely singing like this is a 2742 02:09:26.079 --> 02:09:28.000 feels wrong to call it a clean performance, but it's 2743 02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:30.720 a sung performance right. There are vocal melodies stuf where 2744 02:09:30.760 --> 02:09:33.000 she would just like drift up into doing falsettos and 2745 02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:35.520 stuff like that. But the impression is like a band 2746 02:09:35.560 --> 02:09:37.800 who are being fronted by a whaling witch. There's a 2747 02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:40.520 real sense of the arcane about what she's doing, like 2748 02:09:40.560 --> 02:09:42.399 she is conjuring magic out of the air. 2749 02:09:42.439 --> 02:09:42.600 You know. 2750 02:09:42.840 --> 02:09:44.840 She also comes from an Arabic background, and she brings 2751 02:09:44.840 --> 02:09:47.560 a lot of that like tonality into the vocal lines 2752 02:09:47.600 --> 02:09:50.600 as well. And she is such an arresting presence at 2753 02:09:50.600 --> 02:09:53.159 the center of this tornado, channeling it all around her. 2754 02:09:53.199 --> 02:09:55.159 She had like a career before they're doing that more 2755 02:09:55.159 --> 02:09:58.359 like on the kind of psych rock, you know, post punk, strange, 2756 02:09:58.479 --> 02:10:01.800 you know, side of things, but that element into a 2757 02:10:01.840 --> 02:10:05.439 whirling dervish of a metal band. It's just an unbelievable combination. 2758 02:10:06.039 --> 02:10:09.520 Yeah, it's one of those things where you couldn't you 2759 02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:11.520 know that there's no boardroom in the world where you 2760 02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:15.000 would decide that that's a good idea. It's an idiosyncratic, 2761 02:10:15.079 --> 02:10:18.479 mad thing that can only come from mad people. And 2762 02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:21.520 realizing that's what this was going to be, which I 2763 02:10:21.560 --> 02:10:25.039 did about halfway through Cemeterium to as the opener, which 2764 02:10:25.079 --> 02:10:28.800 I think is one of the most attention grabbing introductionory 2765 02:10:28.880 --> 02:10:31.920 tracks you could here to a band like that. A 2766 02:10:32.199 --> 02:10:33.880 just that horrible noise at the beginning straight so I 2767 02:10:33.880 --> 02:10:35.159 was like, Okay, well, this is not gonna be as 2768 02:10:35.199 --> 02:10:36.880 good a time as I thought it was going to be, 2769 02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:40.199 And that just gives way to that this snarling his 2770 02:10:40.319 --> 02:10:43.159 for riff and the way the bass plays off the vocals, 2771 02:10:43.199 --> 02:10:46.520 and then the vocals are already it's far from the 2772 02:10:46.520 --> 02:10:49.000 maddest performance you'll get on the record, but already you 2773 02:10:49.079 --> 02:10:53.359 just go, this is someone out of their God, this 2774 02:10:53.439 --> 02:10:57.079 is not a normal person leading this band. And there's 2775 02:10:57.199 --> 02:10:59.760 just something which it can't be trained, it can't be emulated, 2776 02:11:00.000 --> 02:11:04.199 can't be faked. I don't think when it's like the 2777 02:11:04.239 --> 02:11:07.079 Master of Ceremonies, your tour guide for the band is 2778 02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:09.680 themselves mad. It's the King Diamond thing. It makes it 2779 02:11:09.960 --> 02:11:14.600 so much more like White Knuckle as a listing experience. 2780 02:11:15.319 --> 02:11:18.640 Yeah, and somehow this this second album, Cemetarium two, I 2781 02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:21.680 mentioned that, you know, the Cemetarium one has these incredible 2782 02:11:21.920 --> 02:11:24.920 like heavy metal galloping lead parts and stuff. It was 2783 02:11:24.920 --> 02:11:27.560 still a very harsh, evil record, and I thought the 2784 02:11:27.560 --> 02:11:30.399 second album might, I don't know, hone in on something 2785 02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:34.439 a little bit more. This album is faster and heavier 2786 02:11:34.600 --> 02:11:37.479 and more evil than the first one. And I thought 2787 02:11:37.520 --> 02:11:39.359 that first album was fucking intense, right, But I thought 2788 02:11:39.359 --> 02:11:40.720 I had a handle on what they were from the 2789 02:11:40.720 --> 02:11:43.359 first album. The first time I put this second record on, 2790 02:11:43.840 --> 02:11:46.880 I got sent fucking screaming back to the drawing board 2791 02:11:46.920 --> 02:11:50.199 immediately right Like it was so blistering and crazy and 2792 02:11:50.199 --> 02:11:52.600 frightening that I didn't feel like I had any preparation 2793 02:11:52.920 --> 02:11:55.199 from a year of listening to the first album at all, Like, 2794 02:11:55.399 --> 02:11:59.520 despite how much I had, It's one of the most violent, intense, 2795 02:11:59.600 --> 02:12:01.680 dangerous first listens I've had with the record in a while. 2796 02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:04.199 And this is again what you could still maybe call 2797 02:12:04.279 --> 02:12:07.640 a heavy metal album, you know, but I'd say that 2798 02:12:07.720 --> 02:12:09.920 both albums have like a lengthy intro track that is 2799 02:12:09.960 --> 02:12:12.000 the title track of the record. The first one, that 2800 02:12:12.039 --> 02:12:15.720 track was more instrumental. This one has got like evil 2801 02:12:15.800 --> 02:12:18.600 Dulcimer's or some shit against it, like suffocate you black 2802 02:12:18.640 --> 02:12:22.239 metal riffing, and then when that tension gets loose for 2803 02:12:22.479 --> 02:12:27.079 the opener proper irreverence warning, it is like being stuffed 2804 02:12:27.079 --> 02:12:29.439 into a cement mixer with an active beehive and then 2805 02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:32.399 spun round at several miles an hour. It is fucking 2806 02:12:32.520 --> 02:12:36.199 mental how rabidly aggressive that song is. And I think 2807 02:12:36.239 --> 02:12:39.479 this is again they're towing different size of the line whatever, 2808 02:12:39.520 --> 02:12:41.399 but I think this one is more of a black 2809 02:12:41.439 --> 02:12:43.279 metal album than the first one was, which was maybe 2810 02:12:43.319 --> 02:12:46.840 more of a heavy metal album because of how caustic 2811 02:12:47.199 --> 02:12:50.399 the tremolo picking is, the dissonance to setply, it's more 2812 02:12:50.479 --> 02:12:53.199 ear bleeding, you know. The drummer is just careening over 2813 02:12:53.199 --> 02:12:54.039 the edge again and again. 2814 02:12:54.279 --> 02:12:55.800 But you still have this. 2815 02:12:55.880 --> 02:12:59.039 Like breathy banshee voice at the front of it, amping 2816 02:12:59.159 --> 02:13:01.920 up the melodicism, but in a way that is only 2817 02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:04.760 more disorientating and more ghastly. 2818 02:13:05.720 --> 02:13:05.880 You know. 2819 02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:08.119 I'm really glad to hear you say that that this 2820 02:13:08.239 --> 02:13:10.000 is more extremely the first one, because I listened to 2821 02:13:10.079 --> 02:13:12.000 this first and I thought, what the fuck is that? 2822 02:13:12.039 --> 02:13:13.279 And then of it, I went to the first one 2823 02:13:13.760 --> 02:13:16.640 and it didn't It's still something mad, but it wasn't 2824 02:13:16.720 --> 02:13:19.119 quite as hair brained, and I thought, is this just 2825 02:13:19.159 --> 02:13:21.479 because I've worked out what's going on with this band 2826 02:13:21.600 --> 02:13:25.159 and I've gone back with some context. This one, for 2827 02:13:25.760 --> 02:13:27.640 the first record, is really good. I really like it. 2828 02:13:28.319 --> 02:13:32.319 I am so in on how just insane. This one 2829 02:13:32.399 --> 02:13:34.560 is just taking the black Nol thing. I'm going even 2830 02:13:34.600 --> 02:13:37.800 further with it. And I want to say, as much 2831 02:13:37.800 --> 02:13:39.479 as we're giving shouts out to the vocalist and rightly 2832 02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:44.479 so the drummer in this band, it's fucking crazy and 2833 02:13:44.600 --> 02:13:46.840 get that thing I was saying about not knowing if 2834 02:13:46.840 --> 02:13:51.520 you can trust your guide through the record. Just as 2835 02:13:51.520 --> 02:13:53.399 exciting as that is when you don't know when the 2836 02:13:53.479 --> 02:13:55.800 drumm's is gonna lose it. It's the Dave Lombardo thing. 2837 02:13:55.880 --> 02:13:58.079 It's the hell hammer thing when you're going, what is 2838 02:13:58.079 --> 02:14:00.239 that beat you're playing? That's not a blastbeat, that's not 2839 02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:04.840 a jacket jacket, that's not like a typical double bass part, Like, 2840 02:14:05.279 --> 02:14:07.840 do you even know what you're playing in this moment? 2841 02:14:08.119 --> 02:14:10.600 How long you have to play it for? It's like 2842 02:14:10.680 --> 02:14:13.159 the drums are you know, they're not keeping the beat 2843 02:14:13.159 --> 02:14:15.640 per se. It's like he's just reacting to what the 2844 02:14:15.640 --> 02:14:18.000 rest of the band are doing. Here's the crazy part. 2845 02:14:18.199 --> 02:14:20.159 I want to make it way crazier. 2846 02:14:20.880 --> 02:14:21.319 Yeah. 2847 02:14:21.399 --> 02:14:24.800 Lunacy Jewels is my favorite track on this second record, 2848 02:14:24.840 --> 02:14:28.920 and it is punky speed metal abandon but dialed up 2849 02:14:28.920 --> 02:14:31.359 to such a level speed that it becomes like almost untethered, 2850 02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:33.680 you know, Like and the first few seconds of intro 2851 02:14:33.800 --> 02:14:37.680 alone probably feature more snare hits and entire doom albums 2852 02:14:37.800 --> 02:14:41.199 like it's fucking crazy, and then halfway through it does 2853 02:14:41.239 --> 02:14:43.159 it's almost a relief. It transitions into one of those 2854 02:14:43.159 --> 02:14:46.399 like pure Satan style New Ever Britay heavy matter of 2855 02:14:46.399 --> 02:14:48.840 reffs the Man Man and it's just delicious, you know, 2856 02:14:48.920 --> 02:14:51.640 and that the run of the trap list of Irreverence, Warning, 2857 02:14:51.800 --> 02:14:55.880 Lunacy Jewels, Magnetic Venom is just like the hungriest frenzy 2858 02:14:56.119 --> 02:14:58.760 of heading out that you can imagine. Magnetive Venom has 2859 02:14:58.760 --> 02:15:01.319 a black metal blast bit with this loud, fuzzed up base. 2860 02:15:01.359 --> 02:15:02.840 It's just like gloriously putrid. 2861 02:15:03.079 --> 02:15:05.479 The sideb of this one does change tact a little. 2862 02:15:05.840 --> 02:15:08.359 Both records have very long closers. A video on the 2863 02:15:08.399 --> 02:15:12.079 first album is more like this overwhelming, you know, tie 2864 02:15:12.119 --> 02:15:14.319 together string of rifts that just like dazzles you for 2865 02:15:14.359 --> 02:15:16.760 ten minutes. This one does show a different side to them, 2866 02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:18.359 and that's where when you mentioned bads like the Devil's 2867 02:15:18.359 --> 02:15:20.800 Blood and stuff, this does draw a connection to that 2868 02:15:20.840 --> 02:15:24.680 world as well. You've got through Lava lit Roads to Lavilender, 2869 02:15:24.920 --> 02:15:28.119 which starts to introduce something more psychedelic, and then the 2870 02:15:28.199 --> 02:15:32.239 closer Mobula Moblara is soul furic. You know, it's got 2871 02:15:32.279 --> 02:15:34.439 this kind of like cool of Ctulhu vibe in the rifts, 2872 02:15:34.680 --> 02:15:38.640 but while like dense pungent fumes are being forced down 2873 02:15:38.680 --> 02:15:40.840 your orifices, you know, like it has that it has 2874 02:15:40.880 --> 02:15:43.119 the wat aan thing of like I am in the 2875 02:15:43.279 --> 02:15:45.000 sulfuric pit of hell. 2876 02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:47.680 Yeah. I love that we're talking about this record as 2877 02:15:47.880 --> 02:15:51.800 side A and side B because it is that's so 2878 02:15:52.000 --> 02:15:55.000 clear in the track listing, and you know, like it 2879 02:15:55.119 --> 02:15:56.840 was so welcome to have that change of pace as 2880 02:15:56.880 --> 02:15:58.479 much as I was loving the previous stuff, that twenty 2881 02:15:58.720 --> 02:16:01.000 minute nightmare you just can't other side of, and seeing 2882 02:16:01.039 --> 02:16:05.199 that fourteen minute track fast approaching, I want to need 2883 02:16:05.439 --> 02:16:07.279 at least a bit of recipite before we get there. 2884 02:16:07.600 --> 02:16:11.079 And the lave of it rose to Lavelender, like it's 2885 02:16:11.359 --> 02:16:15.640 it's kind of beautiful, like that vocalist is so capable 2886 02:16:15.760 --> 02:16:18.600 at just carrying a more reserve melody, but it's still 2887 02:16:18.720 --> 02:16:21.319 unnerving in the same way that things like Comers Current 2888 02:16:21.399 --> 02:16:24.399 ninety three, but also a bit of the like poppy 2889 02:16:24.479 --> 02:16:26.760 end of Mike Oldfield from the early eighties. It's it's 2890 02:16:26.840 --> 02:16:29.720 that combination is so brilliant and it's such a great 2891 02:16:29.760 --> 02:16:34.200 palate cleanser because then, how did you say it, mobular mobula? 2892 02:16:35.280 --> 02:16:38.399 Mobular mobula, Yes, that's with it. It's it's got an 2893 02:16:38.520 --> 02:16:39.600 R at the end of the second one. 2894 02:16:40.600 --> 02:16:45.719 The way that'll do, the way like that song by it. 2895 02:16:46.040 --> 02:16:48.239 It's a strange thing to say, but buding a fourteen 2896 02:16:48.319 --> 02:16:51.360 minute song like this to your record, you've made the 2897 02:16:51.399 --> 02:16:54.559 album so much more replayable because it just adds this 2898 02:16:55.319 --> 02:16:58.360 depth to what happens to it, where you know it's 2899 02:16:59.360 --> 02:17:03.000 this has no qualms slowing down, exploring an idea more fully, 2900 02:17:03.120 --> 02:17:05.600 kind of letting you settle into a riff before changing 2901 02:17:05.639 --> 02:17:09.159 the next one, allowing some real tension to build in 2902 02:17:09.239 --> 02:17:12.479 a sussle way rather than just basically giving you electric 2903 02:17:12.559 --> 02:17:14.399 shocks at random times like it does all the way 2904 02:17:14.440 --> 02:17:16.920 through Side A. And this band is so good at that, 2905 02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:19.040 even like just the way they're able to sloom from 2906 02:17:19.079 --> 02:17:22.159 one idea to the next. And the voice acting is 2907 02:17:22.239 --> 02:17:26.760 some kind of MC somehow managing which is a wild component, 2908 02:17:26.799 --> 02:17:28.920 but somehow manages to root what the song's doing and 2909 02:17:28.959 --> 02:17:32.360 the way it builds and builds and builds. It's We 2910 02:17:32.520 --> 02:17:35.319 talked about a lot about epic songwriting in this reviews bag. 2911 02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:37.799 This band have nailed it early on and in a 2912 02:17:37.879 --> 02:17:40.840 style that you're mentioning what're saying. I'm definitely hearing that, 2913 02:17:41.159 --> 02:17:43.680 but I don't know where I've heard a song quite 2914 02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:46.840 like this before, and that is so exciting to me, 2915 02:17:46.920 --> 02:17:48.639 and that's what made me keep coming back to this record, 2916 02:17:48.680 --> 02:17:50.799 which I probably wouldn't have done quite as much as 2917 02:17:50.799 --> 02:17:53.479 I have if it was just the stuff on SIDEA. 2918 02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:54.399 For its duration. 2919 02:17:55.239 --> 02:17:58.719 Yeah, that song they closed the set earlier this month with, 2920 02:17:58.879 --> 02:18:00.920 and like, I didn't know whether I was doing that, so. 2921 02:18:01.079 --> 02:18:02.959 I could could have told you how long they played 2922 02:18:02.959 --> 02:18:03.120 it for. 2923 02:18:03.239 --> 02:18:05.760 I'm just like I'm I'm gone, you know, I mean, 2924 02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:08.120 amongst other things, on top of everything else, we're saying, 2925 02:18:08.120 --> 02:18:10.399 you have a heavy metal band making proper usage of 2926 02:18:10.479 --> 02:18:13.760 bass guitar as a distinct instrument, carrying its own melodies, 2927 02:18:13.879 --> 02:18:16.760 you know, bring its own presence. This is a it's 2928 02:18:16.799 --> 02:18:20.079 a nasty record, man, and nasty in a way that 2929 02:18:20.280 --> 02:18:23.280 is beyond just listen to this tone, listen to these 2930 02:18:23.319 --> 02:18:25.920 morsh parts or whatever. Like we were saying, it's it's 2931 02:18:26.040 --> 02:18:29.760 dangerous in that it's nasty, the intent is diabolical, and 2932 02:18:29.840 --> 02:18:32.520 you are being baptized in a bog of blood. I 2933 02:18:32.559 --> 02:18:34.399 think one of the most exciting new heavy metal bands 2934 02:18:34.399 --> 02:18:36.360 in the world right now. I vividly look forward to more, 2935 02:18:36.399 --> 02:18:39.120 but already inside eighteen months. We have these two fucking 2936 02:18:39.159 --> 02:18:41.520 delirious records from them, so it's a good time to 2937 02:18:41.520 --> 02:18:44.159 get involved Simitarium one and two. Listen to them both 2938 02:18:44.319 --> 02:18:45.959 for one of the best bands in the underground right now, 2939 02:18:46.200 --> 02:18:49.520 and that is us next reviews bag, we will do 2940 02:18:49.600 --> 02:18:53.360 the new Marmazet's records along with We've got New Converge 2941 02:18:53.399 --> 02:18:56.520 again next time as well, along with hopefully some newer 2942 02:18:56.559 --> 02:18:58.840 bands as well. But thank you so much for being 2943 02:18:58.879 --> 02:19:01.159 with us through this one and listening to it this time. 2944 02:19:01.399 --> 02:19:04.600 An eclectic, mad Cat whole bunch there wasn't it like 2945 02:19:04.639 --> 02:19:07.520 some really freaky from Haggard Cat to a Forest Stars 2946 02:19:07.559 --> 02:19:10.639 and beyond like crazy times. But let us know which 2947 02:19:10.680 --> 02:19:13.159 ones you're giving with. Please do check out those names 2948 02:19:13.200 --> 02:19:15.879 that you've not heard of before. That was a good bunch, 2949 02:19:15.959 --> 02:19:18.719 I think for some of those newer names. Otherwise, we 2950 02:19:18.799 --> 02:19:21.280 will be back soon with the next part of our 2951 02:19:21.360 --> 02:19:24.079 corn Special. Part two is now fresh out. I will 2952 02:19:24.120 --> 02:19:26.399 also be back here next week with a report from 2953 02:19:26.479 --> 02:19:29.520 this year's Fortress Festival. If you are around seeing me 2954 02:19:29.639 --> 02:19:32.399 this weekend, if you're continuing the black metal kick from 2955 02:19:32.399 --> 02:19:33.920 our reviews here, We're going to see A Forest Stars 2956 02:19:33.959 --> 02:19:36.079 this weekend, amongst other things. So I'm very excited for that. 2957 02:19:36.120 --> 02:19:38.120 Going to be lovely and yeah, we will be back 2958 02:19:38.399 --> 02:19:38.920 next time. 2959 02:19:39.600 --> 02:19:40.680 Steady Away Boys,