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<v Speaker 1>Whole k Are and cast can't catch a trick Warrington Wolves.

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<v Speaker 1>They laid it on thick, fighting hard until the final

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<v Speaker 1>bell were Catalans, York and Bradford as well. Players dropping

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<v Speaker 1>like flies. Each match is player Welfare currently up to

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<v Speaker 1>scratch as Huddersfield hopes of a win. Tucker Dive, Luke

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson got his p forty five who left c beat

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<v Speaker 1>Leeds for their boss. Lee and John are here with

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<v Speaker 1>the Goss. Welcome to the fourteenth episode of Super League

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty, a podcast primarily designed to show off my

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<v Speaker 1>poetry and also to talk about the top tier of

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<v Speaker 1>British rugby league. My name is Lee Addison.

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<v Speaker 2>And my name is John David. He sure had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a clip a clip The WiFi in South

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<v Speaker 2>Yorkshire is sort of the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also the host of the Rugby League Coach podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and feature on the Loose Carry podcast from Zero Tackle

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<v Speaker 1>and a coach in Australia John Ajourno in the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>Please read the description of this podcast or listen to

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<v Speaker 1>old ones so we can make this long intro shorter.

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<v Speaker 1>The podcast being aired on the Assage Rugby League, Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>com who are taking our podcast after the Whoter this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your support of that which we do

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<v Speaker 1>straight after a fixture. It will be after Thursday's fixture

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<v Speaker 1>which I believe is cast versus Bradford. But the big

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<v Speaker 1>news straight off the top, John Luke Robinson sacked at

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<v Speaker 1>Huddersfield this afternoon. It's been a big day. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>a big day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a big day. Yeah, that news came through

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<v Speaker 2>what was it just checking exactly the hour? About four

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<v Speaker 2>or five hours ago, six hours ago, should I say?

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<v Speaker 2>Luke Robinson terminated as head coach. He took over twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four after Ian Watson was also dismissed and Huddersfield

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<v Speaker 2>have lost all five games so far this season, the

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<v Speaker 2>only team to have not won a game. In a way,

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<v Speaker 2>not surprising that they have gotten rid of Robinson, but

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<v Speaker 2>in a way also a little bit surprise surprising because

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<v Speaker 2>they've got sixteen players out injured. They've got a huge

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<v Speaker 2>injury crisis and Huddersfield as a club, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we can talk about in depth, but they have

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<v Speaker 2>been they haven't been unleashed for a long long time, really,

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<v Speaker 2>Lee and they're saying they're unleashed. But yeah, there's big

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<v Speaker 2>problems off the field as well as on the field

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<v Speaker 2>for Huddersfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you're wondering what John is going on about,

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about the words of Ralph Rimmer, their director

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<v Speaker 1>of change at Huddersfield, and I think the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>he has changed so far is what he's done today,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a coach and he's a quote. We have

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<v Speaker 1>been resetting the club. We've set up about that prior

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<v Speaker 1>to Christmas, driving the club forward off the field, but

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<v Speaker 1>critically we need some on field success as well. A

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic man, Luke Robinson a legend of this club and

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<v Speaker 1>will remain so. But nevertheless, this set of circumstances has

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<v Speaker 1>brought about this change.

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<v Speaker 2>Close quotes.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, John, I understand what people say about the injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I've said before on this podcast, I had

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<v Speaker 1>nausey and a lot of that can be down to

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<v Speaker 1>the coach as well. Luke Roberson is a fantastic bloke.

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<v Speaker 1>I was at wigging with him. He really is a

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<v Speaker 1>good lad. He was a young kid coming through then

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<v Speaker 1>and full of energy for the game, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that energy has diminished in any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately, I honestly believe that he was out of

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<v Speaker 1>his depths as a coach. And I mean defensively, Huddersfield

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<v Speaker 1>just don't look like they've been coached so far. That's

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<v Speaker 1>me being critical from an analytical point of view. There'll

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<v Speaker 1>be so many things you and I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>you did hint. I think there John, there's all the

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<v Speaker 1>things going on at the club that could be contributing

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<v Speaker 1>to their malays right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I haven't. I was looking actually just

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<v Speaker 2>recapping before record. I wrote a piece in twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, issues at Huddersfield and you know how

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<v Speaker 2>they've really the Super leagu era at least, they've they've

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<v Speaker 2>not really achieved anything. They won the League Leaders Shield

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty thirteen under Paul Anderson, you know, and even

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<v Speaker 2>even when they were you know, top of the league

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<v Speaker 2>then and doing really well, they never had a big

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<v Speaker 2>fan base and they haven't won you know, a premiership

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<v Speaker 2>or the Challenge Cups since I think it was the

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<v Speaker 2>fifties and the sixties and they had the golden period

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<v Speaker 2>I think was in the twenties. So they've been a

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<v Speaker 2>club that's never really won a lot, but in the

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<v Speaker 2>Super League era, yeah, they've They've gone through something like

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's five to six coaches in the last

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<v Speaker 2>nine years, and Luke Robinson was obviously interim for a

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<v Speaker 2>bit and then you know he's later was made Perman

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. But they've had Rick Stone, they had

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<v Speaker 2>Simon Wolford, they had Chris Norman as an interim coach,

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<v Speaker 2>ad Ian Watson, and it just seems to be like

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<v Speaker 2>a culture problem at the club, you know, a leadership problem.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a very closed off club. They don't do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of media, a lot of engagement. Their crowds have

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<v Speaker 2>just gone down and down, so you really question how

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<v Speaker 2>much you know, engagement the community they do. They've got

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<v Speaker 2>stadium issues. They want to move to Halifax, but you

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<v Speaker 2>sort of wonder how that's going to just move into

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<v Speaker 2>a small stadium is going to help them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>are their fans in Huddersfield going to travel with Halifax.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's not far, but that never really seems

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<v Speaker 2>to work. And they've just sort of had the same

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<v Speaker 2>leadership there for a long long time. Obviously, Richard Doilis

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<v Speaker 2>is the manjor director, but you never really hear from

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<v Speaker 2>him or see from him. The recruitment over the years

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<v Speaker 2>has been terrible and while their academy have actually turned

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<v Speaker 2>their academy around and have produced a few good players

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<v Speaker 2>in recent years, but generally they've lost them or they've

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<v Speaker 2>gone to other clubs. So I mean Dom Young it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably the best example, and you know he's he's been

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<v Speaker 2>great for the Knights in the NRL. Jake Wardle, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>has one numerous trophies at Wigan and Price Will Price

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he went down to the NRL, didn't do well

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<v Speaker 2>at Newcastle Preserve, at Holly of C. They just can't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to build anything. So you know, they've recycled through

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<v Speaker 2>coach after coach, nothing really happens. They did have a

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<v Speaker 2>good period at the start when I Watson came over

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<v Speaker 2>and they finished third and made the Change Cup final

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it was twenty twenty two, but then

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<v Speaker 2>that went downhill and then he got the Acts in

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<v Speaker 2>two years ago, so it's just, yeah, it's just the

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<v Speaker 2>same old story for Hardest Well nothing really seems to improve.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you put them in sunny and a

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<v Speaker 1>sunnier climate and change the color of the seats at

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium and put a Gold Coast Titans kit on,

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be there'd be so many similarities, wouldn't they in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of in terms of if you like a franchise

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<v Speaker 1>that just seems to be constantly do And I think

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League clings on to Huddersfield a little bit because

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<v Speaker 1>it's the birthplace of the game, but the reality is

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<v Speaker 1>it probably hasn't ever really brought And this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to sound horrible and Huddersfield fans might cancel us now,

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<v Speaker 1>they might never listen to this podcast again. But they've

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<v Speaker 1>not brought that much to Super League basically in thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite frankly. If anything, they've brought more questions. They've brought

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<v Speaker 1>more sadness or contemplation about their crowds and their performances.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think back to the Huddersfield Sheffield merger, the

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<v Speaker 1>ill fated merger. So there's just been one thing after

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<v Speaker 1>another after another, and they're playing what was at the

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<v Speaker 1>time a shining new stadium. I don't know how good

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<v Speaker 1>it looks and fields now more still, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years old. Basically, I was there two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice, it's a nice stadium. But if you only

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<v Speaker 2>get five thousand people turned up and it's what twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two twenty four thousand capacity, it doesn't look or sound great.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing that you mentioned the birthplace of the

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<v Speaker 2>rugby league, and that gets mentioned. The reality is it

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<v Speaker 2>was only the birthplace of the rugby league because it

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<v Speaker 2>was in between where all these clubs were meeting. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>they were coming from Lancashire and wherever, and yes, from Yorkshire.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't you know the game didn't start in hospital

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a stronghold of rugby league. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Huddersfield town. The local soccer club get a lot bigger grounds,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a football town. Basically it is a football town.

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<v Speaker 2>And look there's a there is a rugby league fan

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<v Speaker 2>base there and there are rugby league clubs there and

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<v Speaker 2>it's obviously in an area of West Yorkshire where you've

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<v Speaker 2>got Halifax and Leeds and you know Wakefield all relatively close.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is more of a football town. But the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is that they seem to be quite a backward club.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, Huddersfield they don't really seem very modern, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't. I mean not that this is the Bill

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<v Speaker 2>and end or, but they don't hold a media day

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<v Speaker 2>at the start of the year. They do a sponsors

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<v Speaker 2>thing and they invite three journos Son. They're never really trying.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're talking about crowds and marketing your team and

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<v Speaker 2>your club, they don't really do much to actually, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>try and engage and get publicity, and you know, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to do things if you want people to come

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<v Speaker 2>and see your team. And it's not just about a

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<v Speaker 2>winning team. I had Hardersfield saying that, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>want to It's like your team doesn't always win. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that's reality. But you build connections, don't you with fans.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you go into schools, you get publicity, and

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<v Speaker 2>And it just doesn't seem there are some die hard

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<v Speaker 2>Huddersfield fans out there, but they're just there's clearly not

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<v Speaker 2>enough of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, we're going to talk soon about the

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<v Speaker 1>potential for an NRL purchase and I think Huddersfield will

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<v Speaker 1>be absolutely in the crossairs if if they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>trim the competition again, you can tweet John because he

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<v Speaker 1>loves tweeting Johnny. He just loves it at Johnny D Davidson.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've pulled out a couple of the tweets that

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<v Speaker 1>you've done in the last week. Which kit did you

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<v Speaker 1>say was awful?

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<v Speaker 2>I already get blamed that I having a genure against Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the league kit that I wore against Wakefield

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<v Speaker 2>was I might describe it, or I might just have

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<v Speaker 2>a look at the highlights. Now, well you can have

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<v Speaker 2>a look. It's kind of multi dotted red, white, black.

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<v Speaker 2>But it reminds me of the vomit kid that the

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<v Speaker 2>Socceros wore in nineteen ninety three, which you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like someone's thrown up and it's just a sorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a personal preference. There's a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>nose coming from my phone while I look at the highlights. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to be careful about criticizing kits. Remember a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago I said Wiggan's kit was awful

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<v Speaker 2>to lose. Apparently that was because they were wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>special kit for a young girl. That that you've been careled.

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<v Speaker 1>And somebody emailed me and they said, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to make you feel awfully, but I'm about to make

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<v Speaker 1>you feel awful. But I appreciated it, and I did

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<v Speaker 1>feel awful, and I do feel awful, and I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to mention it last week. But what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>it at home, not an away game to lose. Because

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at the kit on the highlights, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know the backstory. I looked at it thought that kid's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>And my first instinct was that kit's awful. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out it was a tribute kit to a

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<v Speaker 1>local young lady who's not been very well. So my

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<v Speaker 1>love to that family and well done Wigan for doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe to lose away wasn't the best option.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll look at the leak kit in the minute

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<v Speaker 1>while you talk in a minute, while you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>and we talk about the next tweet that I think

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<v Speaker 1>you did on Saturday players dropping like flies brutal Nikola.

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Lawson centers a question and said, as a quest

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<v Speaker 1>constant six agains leading to more pressure on joints and

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<v Speaker 1>back from tackles, all for us not to have a

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<v Speaker 1>cleaner ruck anyway, in my opinion, Billy Stead only matter

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<v Speaker 1>of an hour ago, I think I said the standard

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<v Speaker 1>officials in Super League right now, and the fact the

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<v Speaker 1>six again rule is so different depending on who refts

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<v Speaker 1>it and why it's so different game to game, I

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<v Speaker 1>am huge, John. I keep injury stats every year. In

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<v Speaker 1>the NRL, before Round three started there were fifty nine

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<v Speaker 1>injured players, so that is three squads of nineteen plus one.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if my master at maybe it was fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Super League it was eighty nine hundred players

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was another probably another ten to add,

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<v Speaker 2>at least probably in the last two days.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I said before round five, so add another

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<v Speaker 1>ten and right, so right now, across our top competitions,

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<v Speaker 1>our two top competitions. We've got the equivalent of eight

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<v Speaker 1>squads out now. When is somebody who is paid good

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<v Speaker 1>money at the top of the game in England or

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<v Speaker 1>Australia going to start up to look at what we

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<v Speaker 1>are doing to our players because we're obsessed with what

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<v Speaker 1>happens above the neck. You get hit around the head,

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<v Speaker 1>your SimBin sent off. It's the end of the world

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<v Speaker 1>and you've stood down for a few weeks as a

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<v Speaker 1>player if you've been hit around the head. But John,

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<v Speaker 1>I have my moments where old football injuries come back

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<v Speaker 1>to bite me. If I'd have played top level all

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<v Speaker 1>my life, I have no doubt that right now I

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<v Speaker 1>would really be struggling to walk, to do things, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Everything below the neck has a mental impact

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<v Speaker 1>as well, so it inadvertently impacts the above. The next scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>We are treating our players like they are cattle. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gone crazy now soon I'll let you mention your tweet

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment. This is something I'm really passionate about, John.

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<v Speaker 1>The game in England has obviously switched to six again

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<v Speaker 1>rule and the faster rucks, and as I say, in England,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the preseason is long enough. The season

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<v Speaker 1>ends for so many well, first of all, it ends

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<v Speaker 1>a week later than it does in the NRL, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it starts a month or two earlier. We've also

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<v Speaker 1>had the Ashes, and every year there's something international for

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<v Speaker 1>England because the RFL needs to raise money, so our

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<v Speaker 1>players don't get proper physical conditioning. In Australia, I think

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<v Speaker 1>they do too much, and it's too brutal because of

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of injuries that happened before the season. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think somewhere in the middle is the answer. I've

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<v Speaker 1>spoken about that on this podcast before. But ultimately, the

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<v Speaker 1>one common denominator between the two competitions right now is

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<v Speaker 1>the rock speed and the sixer games, and that goes

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<v Speaker 1>to Billy's question about the refereeing and the interpretations, but

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<v Speaker 1>also to Nicholas question about the physical aspects and the

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<v Speaker 1>physical impacts of the players. So, John, I've had my

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<v Speaker 1>little ramt. What say you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I agree with you in part. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the spinning of the rock you know, has surely

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<v Speaker 2>had has been a factor. I think there are a

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<v Speaker 2>number of factors, and you've got to I'm sort of

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<v Speaker 2>careful not to lump everything down to one thing, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, two of the injuries I think in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the Catalans game against Whole Car were concussions.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, So John, John, I'm going to stop you

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<v Speaker 1>right there. Concussions can be because you are fatigued without

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<v Speaker 1>knowing you're fatigue and you've put.

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<v Speaker 2>They can be And then you could say the hip

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<v Speaker 2>drop on the Helan On host the s Helen's four

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<v Speaker 2>the week before technique. Well yeah, but there was just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there are tired, Yeah, there's the games faster. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean but I think I think there are a

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<v Speaker 2>number of factors and I think I think you are

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<v Speaker 2>bang on about the preseason, the lack of rest. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the season is way too long, and you look at

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<v Speaker 2>until you know wherever it was a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>you know there was the Easter program where players would

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<v Speaker 2>played two games in three days. Yeah, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing that to reason. I remember interviewing a

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<v Speaker 2>number of Australian kiwis players that they just couldn't really

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<v Speaker 2>believe it, but it was you know, pointed out, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we do here and blah blah blah. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was just basically because they knew they would make

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<v Speaker 2>more money in that weekend because they have games on

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<v Speaker 2>public holidays where more people could attend. So the players

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<v Speaker 2>there is no players union in the UK, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the player welfare is almost non existent. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>the preseason is a big thing that the shortness of it.

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<v Speaker 2>They played way too many games in the UK. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the season started mid feb and the first Super Leagues

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<v Speaker 2>that season started thirty years ago on the twenty nine

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<v Speaker 2>till March, so somehow we've got like six weeks earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about two thousand, two thousand and one we

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<v Speaker 1>started to creep it up basically. And there's also the

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<v Speaker 1>Challenge Cup, you know, which is another tournament that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>exist there all. So yeah, we need and look, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think player loads, you know, I've had one coach,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, commenting about another coach, you know, allegedly being

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<v Speaker 1>quite bad with Maine managing training loads. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>lack of depth, so you know, I think certain players

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<v Speaker 1>probably have to play more games to carry teams than others. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's just not a good look and there definitely

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be someone looking at it because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the product if it isn't already suffering, will suffer. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's just not great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, players are breaking down a lot more so we

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<v Speaker 2>need to look at we need to look at rest periods,

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to look at what strength and conditioning

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing. We need to look at you know, fixtures.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they're supposed to be a mandatory. You know

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<v Speaker 2>about how many minutes players can play this season? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>is that don't need to be reduced. I think you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of things we should be looking at. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's it's it is a real concern because

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<v Speaker 2>every time, particularly this weekend and Super League, watch a

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<v Speaker 2>game and you're like, okay, there's an injury, that guy's

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<v Speaker 2>getting carried off. You know, Catlans, I think Catlans lost

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<v Speaker 2>four players. I think it was during the game, as

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, count in the field. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the NRL moving to the six main bench. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good idea. And I've been criticized by some

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<v Speaker 2>in a row players, but I think that's a step forward.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's it's a massive, massive concernly.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they because they're dropping so much like flies in

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<v Speaker 1>super League. It's smacks of underconditioning. Okay, so it would

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<v Speaker 1>be like me and you go and playing super League.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we would get injured in five minutes because we've

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<v Speaker 1>not trained for the game. Well, no, we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to touch the ball for four minutes and forty no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I do a bit of running. So so

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<v Speaker 1>there's that that they definitely look under conditioned in in England.

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<v Speaker 1>In Australia they look sometimes overconditioned. That you can't accuse

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<v Speaker 1>the players of not being ready to play at the

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<v Speaker 1>start of round one in many cases because they ultra

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<v Speaker 1>fit over here. This constant effort to speed up the

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<v Speaker 1>game is putting people inositions where they're fatigued. Like our

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<v Speaker 1>question said, they're putting their heads in the wrong place,

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<v Speaker 1>putting their limbs in the wrong place. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>due to be on the Loose Carry podcast. Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>am still on the Loose Carry podcast in a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of hours from this recording, and Chad Townsend was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be on there but apparently is not now. I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to ask him because he's on the Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>League Players Association. They need to get together and sort

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<v Speaker 1>this out because I don't know any competition in the

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<v Speaker 1>world where do some quick maths? Eight squads of thirty one?

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<v Speaker 1>How many top flight teams as they? So there's fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>top flight teams in the UK and there's seventeen in England.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that thirty one? Seventeen in Australia. Yeah in Australia. Sorry, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so thirty one. So eight of thirty one nearly one

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<v Speaker 1>third of our top flight sports people, Yeah, are injured.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we were having, I don't know, a big

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<v Speaker 1>boxing match and one boxer was half injured, it would

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<v Speaker 1>impact the event of the It would impact the event,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't it right? And if the Premier League had one

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<v Speaker 1>third of its players unavailable, there'd be less quality players

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<v Speaker 1>playing in the Premier League, the Champions League, etc. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think something has to change urgently because just because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not getting the attention that head knocks get, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really scary. Johnny's jab this week. People who think increasing

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<v Speaker 1>the salary cap in England won't stop players going to

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<v Speaker 1>the NRL talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was on the back of, obviously Mikolai Lensky

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<v Speaker 2>the announcement that he would be signing for Perth, joining

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<v Speaker 2>them at the end of the year. Now, I broke

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<v Speaker 2>the story that the Perth were after him just before

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<v Speaker 2>round one, copped a bit of stick from some Leeds

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<v Speaker 2>fans on Twitter, and then obviously michaela I spoke at

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<v Speaker 2>the season launch and he was sort of saying there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing in it, blah blah blah. Now, probably not the

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<v Speaker 2>smartest comments to make, but look, you know, fans seem

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<v Speaker 2>to think, you know, clubs and players. Everything they said

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<v Speaker 2>is say is you know, sometimes they can't say what

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<v Speaker 2>they really think. Well, you know they're smart enough to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obsercate shall we say, alleged decay. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but look he's going And if you look at it

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<v Speaker 2>from a Leeds point of view, so they're losing Newman,

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<v Speaker 2>they're losing McDonald and they're losing a LEDs kid Ulti

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<v Speaker 2>Perth are three England internationals, two of them that they've produced.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously McDonald was a Wigan jr who signed for Leeds,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's a big blow. And also if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at it from the Super League competition, there is quite

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<v Speaker 2>an exodus at the moment of players going to the ERROL.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's those three, there's George Williams, who's also going.

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan Oles left and joined the Dolphins, didn't he Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>Gannon also left Leeds to go and join the Warriors.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there's one or two others that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>forgetting off the top of my head, but they're all

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<v Speaker 2>England international so they're amongst the best players in the competition,

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<v Speaker 2>apart from Gannon who's played for the United and will

418
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<v Speaker 2>no doubt one day play for England in a senior international.

419
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<v Speaker 2>So this was the It is a bit of a

420
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<v Speaker 2>concern obviously Perth and p and G coming in and

421
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<v Speaker 2>Perth have really targeted. I went Trout, that's the other one, sorry, Owen.

422
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<v Speaker 2>Trout's going to Cronulla from Lee also played in the

423
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<v Speaker 2>Ashes for England. So it's a real issue that, you know,

424
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<v Speaker 2>the best players from Super League are going down to

425
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<v Speaker 2>the ol being targeted. And there's been some talk in

426
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<v Speaker 2>Super League amongst the clubs about raising the cap. I

427
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<v Speaker 2>know Wigan we're pushing for it. That seems to have

428
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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's enough opposition and a lot of fans

429
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<v Speaker 2>seem to think it won't change anything, you know, but

430
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<v Speaker 2>it will change. It won't stop all players going down roll,

431
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.799
<v Speaker 2>but it will stop some because the neral salary cap

432
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<v Speaker 2>is three times higher than the super HIG. It hasn't

433
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<v Speaker 2>grown for a long long time. And I think what

434
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<v Speaker 2>Wigan we're advocating was dispensations for your own players that

435
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<v Speaker 2>you've produced through your pathways. So you know, for leeds

436
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<v Speaker 2>that would I mean, they could have offered Newman or

437
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<v Speaker 2>Gannon or Oledski, you know, more money under the cap

438
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<v Speaker 2>or that isn't including the cap. And I think that's

439
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<v Speaker 2>a very smart way to incentivize these clubs to produce

440
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<v Speaker 2>your own partner players.

441
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<v Speaker 1>What happens is club clubs and towns where where there's

442
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<v Speaker 1>not many local juniors, they rally against that in the

443
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:55.680
<v Speaker 1>meetings and it all comes down to numbers.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the meeting, that's what happens. The thing is

445
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<v Speaker 2>that people for is that these clubs that produce, you know,

446
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.759
<v Speaker 2>the most players, a lot of them are players that

447
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:10.400
<v Speaker 2>aren't actually from the towns that look at mentioned Wigan.

448
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.640
<v Speaker 2>So we're going to have got Morgan Smithi's and Mary

449
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<v Speaker 2>Nicholson playing in the n RF for camera. They're both

450
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<v Speaker 2>from Halifax, Halifax. You know, you know we're going to

451
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:22.960
<v Speaker 2>have done that with our players. Luc At sint Helen's

452
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<v Speaker 2>you know down to resources. Doesn't it come down to.

453
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<v Speaker 1>The ability to pay a scout or give the scout

454
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<v Speaker 1>six tracks and say go to Halifax family player.

455
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<v Speaker 2>Look.

456
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<v Speaker 1>In terms of your point about the salary cap, movement

457
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<v Speaker 1>between England and Australia used to be very common because

458
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<v Speaker 1>the English game was played in the winter, the Australian

459
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>game was played in the eighties, Yeah yeah, and the

460
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<v Speaker 1>yeah and ang on, let me talk, and and the

461
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 1>previous ninety years before it John right, So players used

462
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<v Speaker 1>to move between countries quite regularly, and they could because

463
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.039
<v Speaker 1>they could finish their season go over. And then all

464
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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden we brought it in line in ninety six.

465
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<v Speaker 1>I remember in ninety six Phil Clark happened to be

466
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<v Speaker 1>at the Roosters and then there wasn't anything for a

467
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.039
<v Speaker 1>few years, and then Adrian Morley was the first to

468
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<v Speaker 1>jump across, and then a few years later Burgess Graham.

469
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<v Speaker 1>That's basically how it went. Now it's turning into a procession.

470
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<v Speaker 1>The only reason it's changed is because of finances. Because

471
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<v Speaker 1>of financial the NRL has been the best competition in

472
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<v Speaker 1>the world throughout that time. Since at least ninety six

473
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>when we aligned our competition. So this talk of the

474
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>salary cap is right. The problem that Peter's got, the

475
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 1>problem Wigan I've got, is until the structure of the league,

476
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>until the structure of the meetings are such that the

477
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>powerful clubs get more power, basically because of you know

478
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>the realities of the competition. There's currently fourteen teams in

479
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Super League. If they all got one vote in a meeting,

480
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>you can bet your bottom dollar that the lower clubs

481
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<v Speaker 1>will be slabbing down on any suggestions of increasing the

482
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:28.759
<v Speaker 1>salary cap. And then then look that then depends on

483
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 1>how the league gets restructured, if it gets restructured again,

484
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 1>and we've got points to talk about that too, John.

485
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<v Speaker 1>This week the Rugby League Tweet of the Week, Lee's laugh,

486
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<v Speaker 1>Media watch, every other, every other facet of what we're

487
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<v Speaker 1>doing on this podcast. The award goes to Bill Quinn,

488
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>the Oldham chairman. Now you sent me that tweet and

489
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<v Speaker 1>I think I started one of my days with that

490
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<v Speaker 1>this week, right, so Friday morning, Yeah, thank you. And

491
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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching this half asleep, so I'm sort of not

492
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>listening to it and I'm hearing this guy go on

493
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>about Bill Quinn. Bill Quinn doesn't do this, Bill Quinn

494
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 1>does that. Bill Quinn brother, I thought, oh, I thought

495
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the Oldham chairman was Bill Quinn, because I looked at

496
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<v Speaker 1>the tweet of Oldham chairman and I thought the Oldham

497
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<v Speaker 1>chairman was Bill Quinn. And by the time I got

498
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to about seven minutes of listening to this, I checked

499
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>and yes it was Bill Quinn talking about Bill Quinn.

500
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<v Speaker 1>So that's my first laugh, second laugh. And it was

501
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<v Speaker 1>in his first few verses of his of his sermon,

502
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<v Speaker 1>he was criticizing whoever used to do the contracts for

503
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 1>putting in things like you play ten games, you get

504
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a ballers, you do this, you get a ball. In

505
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 1>other words, every rugby league contract that's ever existed, basically,

506
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 1>so criticizing them for in an NRL a contract sorry

507
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>that has ever existed, the same kind of contract that

508
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.759
<v Speaker 1>every other club in the NRL Super League Championship quents

509
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and Cup does right New South Wales Cup. Thirdly, criticizing

510
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 1>all these fans. We seem to have more keyboard warriors

511
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.799
<v Speaker 1>than everyone else. No, Bill, that's because they're the only

512
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 1>ones that you look at me. Fourthly, he needs somebody

513
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 1>to look after his messaging. He was all over the show,

514
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and he did nineteen minutes of it. Even people on

515
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 1>social media were saying, can anybody summarize this because I've

516
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<v Speaker 1>not got nineteen minutes. It was the funniest thing I've

517
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<v Speaker 1>ever seen.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, I mean, as you said at the start,

519
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>whenever you start referring to yourself from a third person,

520
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>it's never a good sign, is that we have Lee

521
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Addison laughed at it, Man and the other bit. When

522
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 2>you start attacking your own fans, I mean, I don't

523
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 2>really know what you're going to achieve with that. No,

524
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean you're always going to get Look at the

525
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>modern world. I can go outside now and say the

526
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>sky is blue, when someone will go on social media

527
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and say, no, it's green, You're an idiot, Like you're

528
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>always going to get criticism, are always going to get hate,

529
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever abuse. You've just got to suck that up because

530
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>when you start attacking your own fans, whether they are

531
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.839
<v Speaker 2>right or wrong, you're just going to stop people, you know,

532
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:20.119
<v Speaker 2>buying your kit and going your games, and yeah, you're

533
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:23.599
<v Speaker 2>lumping them all all together. So yeah, that was an

534
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 2>the thing that struck me. It's just like how how

535
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>an English frum the League is there so many owners

536
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>who are just like a little bit out there, like

537
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a common you know, We've had it with

538
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Mark Cambell at Featherstone, we had it at Kukash at Salford.

539
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, we've got it with certain owners and Super

540
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>League in a moment they're just they're a little bit

541
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:47.160
<v Speaker 2>a little bit mad.

542
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.839
<v Speaker 1>I think you've got to be mad to just throw

543
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.559
<v Speaker 1>your money at something and that you know is going

544
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 1>to make a profit, isn't going to make a profit.

545
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 2>And I do understand that, but it is a decision

546
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:02.240
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to make. And you know there would

547
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 2>be clubs. You know, obviously the owners who put their

548
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.839
<v Speaker 2>money in are great, but it doesn't also give you

549
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.559
<v Speaker 2>a right to just go out and slag off the

550
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 2>fans and employees and just you know, you know what

551
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like if you buy a club, yes it

552
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 2>is a business, but it is also something as a

553
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>fabric of that community, and it means more than just

554
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, a business that sells tickets and whatever else,

555
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 2>like it's you know, while it's professional sport, there also

556
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>is something a bit deeper than that. And I think

557
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, any owner or at least you know, the

558
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 2>smart lines real is they are custodians of that club

559
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 2>for a certain period. And I think it was Steve

560
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:44.319
<v Speaker 2>mascod and I've said this before. You know, he twittered,

561
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>would you see you know the owner of the La Lakers,

562
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.119
<v Speaker 2>or the owner of the Brisbane Broncos, or you know,

563
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>the owner of Manchester City coming out with a nineteen

564
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 2>minute video like that.

565
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>You know there's a good Now the chairman of man City,

566
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 1>not the owner. He just does want into view a

567
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 1>year with an in house interviewer and comes across fantastically.

568
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>The key issue, though, that we're missing is what is

569
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 1>actually going on at Alden so well, from what I

570
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 1>can gather because I had to pull it out of

571
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen minutes, what was trying to say. Basically, they're

572
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 1>worried financially because they spent a lot of money on players,

573
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.160
<v Speaker 1>probably more money than the current administration believes they should

574
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>have spent. So the blame game started and now there's

575
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 1>players getting locked out and I had to laugh. Alan

576
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Kilshaw came from Keighley and two of the players have

577
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>been loaned back to Keighley, So yeah.

578
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean part of it is the subtext

579
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>is to foining out with mirke Ford who obviously left

580
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>what was it a couple of rounds ago, and that's

581
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.240
<v Speaker 2>who you know, was in charge of contracts to the club.

582
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.240
<v Speaker 2>So there's a foining out there. Then there's the legal

583
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 2>case with Boundary Park which is the homeground of Old Athletics,

584
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>so they can't play there, which which Bill can talked about.

585
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, they are on a massive budget, probably too

586
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>much money for the championship and they are jettison players.

587
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's just it's a bit of a mess,

588
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 2>isn't it when you've got you know, allegations swimming around

589
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>in court cases. You know, they're having to play at

590
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:27.319
<v Speaker 2>an amateur ground at bower Fold. Yes, it's just just

591
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 2>a mess. But look it's a bit of light entertainment

592
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>for those people who who who want to watch a

593
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 2>nine en minute video.

594
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is all of be in trouble? Is the club

595
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be another Featherstone?

596
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's in trouble no sense, because

597
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>as I said, they had that winding up order that

598
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 2>was paid off. They do have court cases going on.

599
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.720
<v Speaker 2>But Bill Quinn, you know, if you if you watched

600
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.480
<v Speaker 2>that video, he seems very committed. You know he's firing shots,

601
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>but you know he won't give up. So look he

602
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:07.400
<v Speaker 2>seems yeah, but yeah, it's it's not It's not a

603
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.280
<v Speaker 2>great way to run your club, is it. And if

604
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 2>you look at the best owners saying super League, you

605
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.280
<v Speaker 2>know you don't have Neil Hodgell coming out with that.

606
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:18.840
<v Speaker 2>You don't have Mike Dainson coming out with that. It's

607
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>just not a great one. I don't have Shake Mansur

608
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>coming out with that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's it's

609
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 2>just yeah, it's not a good look for them, the

610
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Blazers that united. It's not a good look for the sports,

611
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>A good look for an olden thing, is it.

612
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>James has only sent me two poems this week, and

613
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the second one was this is the official offering thanks James.

614
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 1>York's performance at Wigan was a major super League building

615
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 1>brick Castleford with the victims as Warrington's attack produced every

616
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>magic trick early in the season. Bradford Saints, Wakefield Leeds

617
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.559
<v Speaker 1>also to lose, are doing fine, while Lee and hul

618
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 1>K are are too close to super League tables bottom line,

619
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.679
<v Speaker 1>while hulland Catalans one of venues far flung. Huddersfield are

620
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>still stuck on the ladder's bottom.

621
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Wrong.

622
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I think I think one poem per podcast is probably enough.

623
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<v Speaker 1>You're not the one dealing with these, mate. You just

624
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.880
<v Speaker 1>sit there. You all you do is turn up for

625
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>an hour each week. I'm the one who gets all

626
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the correspondence make That's what happens when you're the talent. So, James,

627
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.320
<v Speaker 1>you've heard, you've heard from John. He was very unimpressed

628
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>with your poem. He's happy with just mine news items.

629
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<v Speaker 1>Aleski is going to Perth. You've already mentioned that the

630
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Super League exodus. You've already mentioned that, John, you need

631
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to learn that when you send topics if we end

632
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 1>up talking about them anyway, they're sort of Wolvenine salary

633
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:52.079
<v Speaker 1>cap increase. We've also mentioned that. So now the the

634
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 1>latest on the NRL takeover, because there was a bit

635
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>of movement this week, wasn't there.

636
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, it was the story in forty twenty magazine. Now,

637
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 2>our colleagues at forty twenty who had in a report

638
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 2>that it could be up to a two hundred and

639
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:12.880
<v Speaker 2>fifty million five year offer for the for the ANNERL

640
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 2>to invest in Super League, tied to Tony Mestra of

641
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Tony Mestrov, sorry, mess becoming the kind of just having

642
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>a minised stroke at the moment becoming of the RFL,

643
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 2>which is all. It's all very interesting, look my understanding,

644
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>and I've tried to stand up what I could and

645
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>speak to a lot of people this week. There haven't

646
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been a formal offer as yet, that hasn't been

647
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 2>term set. Now it seems to me that one Super

648
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 2>League owner club owner is putting out this two hundred

649
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:51.199
<v Speaker 2>and fifty million five year figure, and it would make

650
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 2>sense in that if it was fifty million a year,

651
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 2>you could break that down into being say two to

652
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.679
<v Speaker 2>three million per year for each super club or fourteen

653
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of them, and then obviously there would then be money

654
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>that would need to go to the RFL to continue operating,

655
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.159
<v Speaker 2>and we need money to go to the Championship to

656
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 2>continue existing. And then hopefully you would think some money

657
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:19.400
<v Speaker 2>for marketing and promotion, which is badly needed because the

658
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Super League clubs at the moment or twelve of them,

659
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 2>are getting one point three million in a year from

660
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Sky and you're going to lose to getting six hundred

661
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:31.639
<v Speaker 2>and fifty grand and you know clubs are losing between

662
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>one to two million each year, So you'd need you'd

663
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 2>think that the offer, if it's going to get support,

664
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:37.960
<v Speaker 2>if it's going to get voted in, it's going to

665
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>have to be at least two to three million per club,

666
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 2>isn't it. Well.

667
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 1>The other thing is Paul Kent, who tends to have

668
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 1>is his say on these things and also podcast. Yeah,

669
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and he said he doesn't think. He doesn't think the

670
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 1>MRL can afford that figure.

671
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 2>He was he was saying that they're going to use

672
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>money from the federal government, which is the six hundred

673
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>million for P ANDG. I think that's illegal. Yeah, I

674
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.639
<v Speaker 2>don't think. I don't think that's credible or plausible personally.

675
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 2>I think where the majority of the fifty million, if

676
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that is the figure, if it's something like that, would

677
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.880
<v Speaker 2>be twenty one or whatever around that from Sky for

678
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>three games a week. Then Dezone would come in with

679
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe fifteen to twenty million for the other three games,

680
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 2>and then BBC would also show a game, so that

681
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>you've got seven games. BBC wouldn't be paying anything, and

682
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 2>then maybe the NRL, whether it be with you know,

683
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 2>increased sponsorship or whatever, maybe it would ship in some money.

684
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 2>But fifty pence, you know, maybe five to ten million

685
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 2>a year. I'm not sure. I don't know that for

686
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.559
<v Speaker 2>a fact. This is just you know, what would be logical.

687
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 2>But I think broadcast would be a big part of

688
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>any investment of it because obviously the NRL has got

689
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the connections and the expertise in it negotiating, which clearly

690
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 2>RFL hasn't in previous years. And also I've spoken to

691
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.960
<v Speaker 2>someone at our commercial about this. It would make zero

692
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.199
<v Speaker 2>sense for all of Super League to go to his

693
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.119
<v Speaker 2>own and be behind it because his own in terms

694
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 2>of subscribers, I don't know how many subscribers has in

695
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.039
<v Speaker 2>the UK, but it's very very low, while with Sky

696
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>it's got a massive subscriber base for PATV, so you

697
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>don't want to hide the whole sport behind you know,

698
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:29.679
<v Speaker 2>a very small PATV provider that barely anyone has.

699
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>So I genuinely think the loss of Brian Karney and

700
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>John Wilkin from there. I think the hour they do

701
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 1>before games, or the half hour they do before some games,

702
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>is adding so much value to the rugby league discussion

703
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 1>discussion in the UK right now, So any deal that

704
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.679
<v Speaker 1>sees them shelved it can't be good for the game,

705
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and I think when I think of John Wilkin and

706
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Brian Khne in what they offer before a game, that's

707
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>better than what I and Steve O used to offer.

708
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I think Eddie and Steve O were fantastic in the

709
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>commentary box, but I think what John and Brian are

710
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:14.199
<v Speaker 1>bringing is some genuine insightful critique of many of the

711
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>things that are going on in the game, and you

712
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 1>can tell his real care there and I think it's

713
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 1>fantastic raw tellent. I think John Wells has been fantastic

714
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.679
<v Speaker 1>over the years too, So I've got to think about

715
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:30.239
<v Speaker 1>these things as well from an English game point of view.

716
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Review of games from the last round and I'm going

717
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.280
<v Speaker 1>to go with the most recent one first because I

718
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.199
<v Speaker 1>think the world's turned back on its access today because

719
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:50.000
<v Speaker 1>City won a cup, Tottenham kept losing, Huddersfield decided things

720
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>aren't great and got rid of their coach, but Hull

721
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>left c beat Leeds. Hull LEFC sixteen fourteen to Leeds

722
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:01.239
<v Speaker 1>at halftime, but Hull LEFC twenty four leads sixteen tries

723
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.519
<v Speaker 1>for Hole from Arthur sal Litton and six Hardacre goals.

724
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Leeds tries MacDonald and Croft and Connor scored four goals.

725
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Did you see this game? It's whole second victory of

726
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:14.679
<v Speaker 1>the season.

727
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a big It was a really massive

728
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 2>result for for Holo of CE. I think John Cartwright

729
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>has been under a fair bit of pressure. They only

730
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.920
<v Speaker 2>won one game and to be honest, they're not played

731
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 2>well or they do have a lot of injuries, but

732
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're just they've underperformed so far this year.

733
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>So I think Leeds coming in off the Challenge Cup

734
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 2>loss to Wakefield, which is a bit of surprise, you

735
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.760
<v Speaker 2>would expect them, you know, with their ambitions and their

736
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 2>squad to really you know, to put the boot into

737
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Hall of CEA and it was anything and it was anything,

738
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.760
<v Speaker 2>but it was a really entertaining game. Leeds discipline was poor,

739
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, Miller I think made some some took some

740
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.159
<v Speaker 2>poor options and they were they were they were fighting

741
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Speaker 2>for it Leeds, but just for a lot of energy

742
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, a fantastic win for them and really much

743
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 2>needed because I think obviously Luke Robinson has got the

744
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 2>acts and Ryan car As another coach under pressure at

745
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 2>the moment, and I'm sure we'll talk about that in

746
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 2>the second but I think John cart Right. You know,

747
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>there's been a lot of investment at hard seeing they

748
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 2>did well last year and I think, you know, the

749
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:22.559
<v Speaker 2>expectation is to replicate that, if not going further. So

750
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't think, you know, people were happy with the

751
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 2>start that I'd have so big, big, big win for them.

752
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, Jake Arthur has copped a lot, was very

753
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:33.559
<v Speaker 2>good today as well. We've got one over his dad.

754
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:36.039
<v Speaker 2>They did, he did.

755
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Leads are a great attacking side. I'm going to be

756
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.519
<v Speaker 1>interested to look at this game. I forget the time

757
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 1>because I think their defense and their defensive structure is

758
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>there Achilles heel and I've mentioned it since round one,

759
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.400
<v Speaker 1>so I'd be interesting to see how things unfolded, because

760
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 1>I think they really need to click in attack to

761
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 1>protect their defense, basically because I think because of a

762
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.679
<v Speaker 1>fast US, I think some of the defensive patterns that

763
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing in Super League are conducive to the style

764
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>of football that's being played. I think their spacings are

765
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 1>too wide, and I think because of the speed of

766
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.679
<v Speaker 1>the rook it's easy for the opposition to get go forward.

767
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.639
<v Speaker 1>So it'll be interesting to look at that. Wigan beat

768
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.599
<v Speaker 1>York on Thursday We did that for after the hooter

769
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.199
<v Speaker 1>on straight after the game, and we'll be doing Thursday's

770
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>game this week too for after the hooter. The key

771
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>thing is Wigan one twenty through twenty two. But the

772
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:34.960
<v Speaker 1>key thing is that I want to ask you about,

773
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:38.079
<v Speaker 1>is the any update on the York players injury?

774
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 2>McShane No, I've not heard anything so far.

775
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to chase that up tomorrow, but which is

776
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Monday in Yes, Yeah, but I mean sometimes you don't

777
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:56.079
<v Speaker 1>always get a response, So the wait on the NHS, mate,

778
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that's the problem. Might be be eighteen might be eighteen months.

779
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Wakefield eighteen Lee fourteen tries for Waki from Tavanga, Myyers

780
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:12.079
<v Speaker 1>and Pratt, three goals to jow It, Lee scored through O'Brien,

781
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Charnie and Alec Wayank and a goal to Cook.

782
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>What was this game like, John? Yeah? I think Lee

783
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 2>will much improved. Obviously they've had a tough start of

784
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>the season, a lot of injuries as well, but they

785
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, they gave it there all. They're just very

786
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>much down on troops. I think Wakefield they did concede

787
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.599
<v Speaker 2>a trial right at the end which kind of blew

788
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the score perhaps a little bit closer and then there

789
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.280
<v Speaker 2>was a terrible There was a kick in from Fatilli

790
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>that O'Brien went to kind of kick away and missed,

791
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:46.119
<v Speaker 2>which was a gift for Wakefield. But look, Wakefield turned

792
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 2>a bit of corner, a couple of wins now on

793
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the beut On Johnson back which was which was massive

794
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.800
<v Speaker 2>for them. So yeah, really a good victory for Wakefield.

795
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>They'll be very pleased with that if it wasn't a

796
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 2>perfect performance, but at the end of the day, a

797
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 2>win is a win. Yeah, pick up a bit of

798
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:03.719
<v Speaker 2>momentum now the trend.

799
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Wakefield coach Daryl Powell wasn't particularly happy with the performance,

800
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 1>but I'm with you. I think it's a good result

801
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 1>for Wakefield and I think they've been quite impressive in

802
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.400
<v Speaker 1>their defeats too, so I think Wakefield are going to

803
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.599
<v Speaker 1>be in or around it when the Whips are cracking

804
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>in terms of lee. Apparently they are down to eighteen

805
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:28.599
<v Speaker 1>fit players now and that can't help. But even so,

806
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen that were left for very poor with their

807
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 1>discipline and it was a seven to one penalty count

808
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.360
<v Speaker 1>at half time and in the second half Jack Hughes

809
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 1>got SimBin after they'd conceded a stream of first half penalties,

810
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>So I don't care who goes on the field. If

811
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:49.400
<v Speaker 1>you're real disciplined, you're always going to going to pay

812
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the price, particularly in this quick rock six again.

813
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Era that we are in.

814
00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Bradford only scored four at halftime, Huddersfield had two on

815
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>the board, but by the end of the game it

816
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:09.480
<v Speaker 1>was twenty six fourteen to Bradford. Bradford's tries ruin They

817
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:13.079
<v Speaker 1>weren't ruined anything, they were they were they won. Nick

818
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Arema scored two. I think they're his first two for

819
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the club, aren't they And Hooleyoo, Yeah.

820
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 2>It was his he'd been injured before well in pre

821
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 2>season and hadn't played for them, So yeah, it just

822
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 2>was a really close game, very tight, and it was

823
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:33.239
<v Speaker 2>the Nick Arema show. Really second half. I think both

824
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.199
<v Speaker 2>the tries they were highlights that I saw. He basically

825
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 2>just really took the line on rend hard and you know,

826
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:40.679
<v Speaker 2>took two or three players over the line with him,

827
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.360
<v Speaker 2>so just pure strength. So yeah, good a good win.

828
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, hordes Field a look at the whipping boys

829
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:48.960
<v Speaker 2>of the competition of the moment, So I think Bradford,

830
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, would have been expecting to win this game

831
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.519
<v Speaker 2>at home. But again Bradford have you know lost players

832
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:59.360
<v Speaker 2>from from last weekend. Yeah, they had to draft in

833
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:03.400
<v Speaker 2>has to Addisfield a draft in some light daies but

834
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>good for good for Bradford and obviously yeah, it proved

835
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.880
<v Speaker 2>to be the final eighty minutes for for Loke Robinson.

836
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Wholey contributed ten points to Bradford's score with a trying

837
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>three goals, acting kicked two others. Huddersfield's try came from Sorry,

838
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 1>tries came from Powell and Gaguy, and Russell kicked three goals.

839
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Third successive home Super League win for Bradford and a

840
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 1>fifth successive league defeat for Huddersfield and Luke Robinson is

841
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.159
<v Speaker 1>in the doll qu this week to lose sixteen Saint

842
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Helen's thirty. It was twenty eight mil at halftime. Laguerre

843
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Paul Celly and Dupree scored tries for to lose. Shorrecks

844
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>kicked two. I can't help but think that this was

845
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:51.280
<v Speaker 1>after the fact that they've been put to the sword

846
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.079
<v Speaker 1>basically and St Helens took their took their foot off

847
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:59.599
<v Speaker 1>the pedal. Somewhat PARSI Murphy scored to Clemma got off

848
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 1>the new run. Was that his first try for the season.

849
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Cross scored for Saint Helen's. Hastings slotted over five goals

850
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the dominant first half from Saint Helen's John.

851
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were. They were electric in that first half,

852
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 2>throwing the ball around, making line breaks. To lose to

853
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of rabbits in the headlights. So Tristan Saylor

854
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.480
<v Speaker 2>especially an attack was it was fantastic that leap that

855
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.559
<v Speaker 2>he did, and then the offload off the ground for

856
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Clemer's try was was beautiful. And I think St Helens

857
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 2>they lost their luggage a bit of an airline mix up,

858
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>so they had a bit of adversity going to the game.

859
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.679
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they were. They were fantastic and Allan's again

860
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of young players in there, and I think

861
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 2>it might have even been a debut or two, but

862
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 2>missing quite a few players, but that was a really,

863
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>really good performance. I think they also lost George Whitby

864
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:56.840
<v Speaker 2>to h i A who was off the bench, So yeah,

865
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:59.519
<v Speaker 2>dealing with adversity and it was just it was the

866
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.599
<v Speaker 2>first time first half demolition. So disappointing for to lose

867
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.280
<v Speaker 2>because the game the Twitter I was virtually over. They

868
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:11.719
<v Speaker 2>did come back into it, but get comfortable from Saint

869
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Helens in the end.

870
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to talk about this next game

871
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 1>in a bit of detail. Warrington seventy two, Castle for six.

872
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:25.559
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about Castleford first. I've been championing

873
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:29.599
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they've not been going too bad, even

874
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 1>though they've been losing games. And people must think I've

875
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 1>been on the Amsterdam cakes after what happened at the weekend,

876
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:43.440
<v Speaker 1>because I can't explain that one, because because I've been

877
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>studying Warrington too. I did an analysis on them last week.

878
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 1>The defense has vastly improved. The attack looked a tiny

879
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 1>bit clunky at times, as if timing was a little

880
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 1>bit off. They obviously got their timing perfect. But when

881
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:02.559
<v Speaker 1>you lose a game seventy two six, like Castleford did.

882
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:06.760
<v Speaker 1>It was thirty two six at halftime, it literally looked,

883
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 1>seems to me Castleford did not turn up at all.

884
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, I mean I think that's fair. I

885
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 2>mean they lost, they lost the captain Joe Siphs Dimpson

886
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:24.639
<v Speaker 2>early a for for an h i a in the

887
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, the start of the game. But they were

888
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 2>dreadful casts you know, I think part of it was

889
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.599
<v Speaker 2>was Warrington was really up for this and you know,

890
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.280
<v Speaker 2>they were on they were on fire. But Casts were

891
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 2>utterly awful. And I think Ra the wigga Jesus, he's

892
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 2>he has had a shocking start to his Castleford career.

893
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:50.159
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of the tries were scored on

894
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:54.119
<v Speaker 2>his his edge. But look, the loss wasn't down to him,

895
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.440
<v Speaker 2>like there was poor performances all across the Cast team

896
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and Ryan Carr really gave it. You know, he unleashed

897
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.559
<v Speaker 2>in his in his post match presser. I think, you know,

898
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 2>he used victim mentality and you know he was he

899
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>was very blunt with his players, and yeah, I've been

900
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the same as you Lee in what I've seen from Cass. Obviously,

901
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.880
<v Speaker 2>they beat Huddersfield, uh and I think they were pretty

902
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.880
<v Speaker 2>credible in Round one against Wigan. I'm just trying to

903
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.400
<v Speaker 2>remember the other games they weren't They weren't great against

904
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the loose, but they've been competitive and this was just

905
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:33.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of out of character. You know. I caught up

906
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.679
<v Speaker 2>with Ryan Carr in pre season and there's a lot

907
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 2>of change at Castleford around the stadium and everything, and

908
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of new players coming in. But yeah, this

909
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 2>this was a real low point. You just yeah, the biggest,

910
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 2>the biggest hiding that we've had so far the season,

911
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.440
<v Speaker 2>what five rounds in I dare say it's one of

912
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 2>the biggest defeats Castleford I've suffered too. I think you're right. Yeah,

913
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:55.480
<v Speaker 2>for a long long time. I think it's something like

914
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty odd years. It's not that long really.

915
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh, it's when when when a club, when a club

916
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:08.079
<v Speaker 1>is parennially near the bottom, right, so Huddersfield are a

917
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>perfect example. Castleford have had moments where they've been a

918
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 1>bit higher et ceterable. There tends to be something a

919
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 1>lot more than just a coach.

920
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Now.

921
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 1>I think the difference between Ryan Carr and Luke Robinson

922
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:27.400
<v Speaker 1>is Ryan Carr has only just arrived and there will

923
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.559
<v Speaker 1>be things within the walls at Castleford, within the DNA

924
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:36.280
<v Speaker 1>of the club that that have impacted this result this weekend.

925
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 2>And if.

926
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:45.760
<v Speaker 1>If you compare that to say Lee and ok Are,

927
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 1>who are struggling for wins at the moment, it's probably

928
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 1>the other way there. They've probably there's probably been a

929
00:52:50.679 --> 00:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>little bit of subconscious relaxation because they've been going to oh, well,

930
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.159
<v Speaker 1>what's the term, I'm looking for complacency.

931
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 2>It's early morning still for me, Joe.

932
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.320
<v Speaker 1>And then the metal red hot Warrington and I think,

933
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.920
<v Speaker 1>what one thing that's happened here is Castleford have turned

934
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.320
<v Speaker 1>up not quite in the right frame of mind. Was

935
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:17.320
<v Speaker 1>this a Saturday game?

936
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:19.840
<v Speaker 2>It was yes, saurday afternoon again.

937
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Right, They've only scored one try. Vlame scored and Weaver

938
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:28.400
<v Speaker 1>kicked the goal. But Warrington looked like they've put on

939
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 1>a clinic. But just looking at the details, Castleford just

940
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>can't have turned up. Corey scored two tries for Warrington.

941
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 1>Ashton scored three, but not to be outdone, Tanganoa scored

942
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 1>for Hoppo, Artist scored one Stone and Harrison goals twelve

943
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:54.159
<v Speaker 1>from Irwin. Right, they've got to support Ryan Carr because

944
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.880
<v Speaker 1>they need change at that joint. They need they need

945
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 1>to support him because this this isn't a coach thing.

946
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Because when I look at this result compared to the

947
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 1>other performances I've seen, it's it makes the other performances

948
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.760
<v Speaker 1>look like they've overachieved because they've got this in them.

949
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, we're not doing a die on cast

950
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.239
<v Speaker 2>right now, but you can look at you know, after

951
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 2>the Daryl Powell era, and obviously they had that high

952
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:31.320
<v Speaker 2>point of what was the twenty seventeen when they made

953
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.800
<v Speaker 2>a Grand Final, one of the league leaders. You know,

954
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.400
<v Speaker 2>they never really have seemed to be able to move

955
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.280
<v Speaker 2>on from that. Clearly. They've had a lot of coaches.

956
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, Lee Radford was there for a bit, Andy

957
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Last was there for a bit. They had his name

958
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.199
<v Speaker 2>escapes me. He's now at Sheffield, Greg Lingard, Danny maguire

959
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and now obviously Ryan Carr and a lot of new

960
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.360
<v Speaker 2>players have come in as well, Chris Chester's coming last year.

961
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think I think there needs to be

962
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.480
<v Speaker 2>time at the cast of it. Look, I think some

963
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.920
<v Speaker 2>of the group and hasn't been great and I think

964
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.280
<v Speaker 2>some of those players are not up to it. But yeah,

965
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.559
<v Speaker 2>I think there needs to be time because I think

966
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 2>just constantly sacking the coach doesn't get hit right, you know,

967
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>with the hope of the next coach being better than

968
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 2>the last or getting more out of the group. I

969
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:19.119
<v Speaker 2>don't think that works. And if you look at Ryan

970
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>cast career, you know he did a great job at

971
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Featherstone at a fabit of time under Brad Arthur at

972
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Para faverit of time. It's sort of Georgia Lawara under

973
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:33.199
<v Speaker 2>fun again. I think he is a good coach. Uh so, yeah,

974
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:37.440
<v Speaker 2>but that was Yeah, they were so soft casts particularly

975
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.760
<v Speaker 2>in defense. It was just like a knife through butter

976
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 2>at times, and Warrington looked Warrington. They're undefeated therefore from four.

977
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.239
<v Speaker 2>You know they've not played you know, a whole kr

978
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 2>or a Wigan as of yet. But they did beats

979
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and helms around one and got a credit my credit.

980
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Gave some credit to Sam burgess On on Twitter because

981
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you know he was close to again sacked last year

982
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:04.360
<v Speaker 2>and obviously they had a change. They got rid of

983
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Martin Gleason and broad in Steve Maner and everyone's quick

984
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.440
<v Speaker 2>to point out it's all Steve McNamara, which is interesting

985
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:14.000
<v Speaker 2>because he got sacked by a cat. Well, but yeah,

986
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Steve manaor is a good coach. I'm not saying it isn't,

987
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.599
<v Speaker 2>but I think there's more than just an assistant coach

988
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 2>coming in. It's been a lot of change at Warrington.

989
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, they moved on a few players after being

990
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.960
<v Speaker 2>a big one. You know, there was discipline issues, but

991
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:28.800
<v Speaker 2>they've turned around the corner a big time Warranton. It's

992
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 2>still early and a lot can happen, but you know,

993
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 2>fair play to them for what they've done early on

994
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 2>in the in the season.

995
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Huge win for Catalans twenty six two tries Solipovich, Navarette

996
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 1>scored one and Mark scored one. Not surname Mark, not

997
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:50.559
<v Speaker 1>first name Mark Golds from Sexton who've scored five AKR

998
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.679
<v Speaker 1>scored twenty points. But again Catalans were well ahead at

999
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:59.559
<v Speaker 1>half time. Fourteen six OKRs trays came from may Burgess

1000
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:03.400
<v Speaker 1>a mole four goals from Lewis Hulking. Some Rovers have

1001
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 1>suffered their third defeat in their opening four games. They

1002
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:10.000
<v Speaker 1>got the customer winn at Huddersfield. Catalans were twenty to

1003
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:13.599
<v Speaker 1>six up at one point after the hour. So again

1004
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I think problems at whole k are I think, Look,

1005
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:22.039
<v Speaker 1>I read the Australian News and every other day it's

1006
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Willie Peters is in demand here, Willie Peters in demand there,

1007
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 1>and Willie Peters as a friend, et cetera. He wants

1008
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 1>to sign a contract quickly, I think because it looks

1009
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 1>like his ok our team were unraveling somewhat.

1010
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know about unraveling. I think you might

1011
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.360
<v Speaker 2>be a touch as there. But look, this was a

1012
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:45.039
<v Speaker 2>fantastic game from the neutral point of view. I think

1013
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.519
<v Speaker 2>people forget how difficult it is to go to Calian's.

1014
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:52.800
<v Speaker 2>They went there. But the Dragons were fantastic. As I said,

1015
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>they lost I think it was four players during the game.

1016
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Their players were dropping like flyers and they just they

1017
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.239
<v Speaker 2>really took it the whole k are. They were, they

1018
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.519
<v Speaker 2>were really committed. Didn't stop the effort that the try

1019
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.400
<v Speaker 2>for Mark at the end you know set up by

1020
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:10.840
<v Speaker 2>for Tapi with the offload drawing the two players was

1021
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.480
<v Speaker 2>was brilliant. And this was just a really gutsy displayed

1022
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.239
<v Speaker 2>by the Dragons and you are right with who. There

1023
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:19.679
<v Speaker 2>was a few you know moments is where Michael Lewis

1024
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.280
<v Speaker 2>was arguing with Jesse Litton and players playing for penalties

1025
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:28.920
<v Speaker 2>you know Hiccu made It was really bad attempts to

1026
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.960
<v Speaker 2>tackle and in defense on a few of those tries.

1027
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's just standards maybe not where they need

1028
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:39.639
<v Speaker 2>to be for whole k are. So yeah, you know,

1029
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:44.639
<v Speaker 2>not not a great start for them. But yeah, John Tompkins,

1030
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.320
<v Speaker 2>massive credit to him and the Cartlands boys for for

1031
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:51.719
<v Speaker 2>what they did there. It was a really, really big win,

1032
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, showed a lot of a lot of courage.

1033
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 1>The title win last year for whole KR was built

1034
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.719
<v Speaker 1>to defense. They averaged nine points against them a game

1035
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:09.519
<v Speaker 1>in the finals, eleven in the competition. They are leaking

1036
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of points this year. The second half against Brisbane,

1037
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a game that they'd won in the first half, they

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00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.800
<v Speaker 1>ship the points in in the second half. That there's

1039
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:23.159
<v Speaker 1>there's so many things in jo KRS game. I looked

1040
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.559
<v Speaker 1>at them quite quite a lot in depth prior to

1041
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.679
<v Speaker 1>the World Club Challenge. If you look at the Rugby

1042
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.599
<v Speaker 1>League Coach YouTube, and I found some things that weren't

1043
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:36.079
<v Speaker 1>quite up to scratch, that weren't exposed. And now the

1044
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:40.840
<v Speaker 1>faster rucks could because in JOK are real problems and

1045
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:44.199
<v Speaker 1>they just don't look like they've adapted to me just yet.

1046
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:46.920
<v Speaker 1>And like I stand by it, Willie Peters is to

1047
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.840
<v Speaker 1>sign a contract quick at Perth or Manly or England

1048
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.960
<v Speaker 1>or wherever, because it's going to be it's going to

1049
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:57.480
<v Speaker 1>be tough. They I said this homage podcast a few

1050
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:01.519
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago. Nothing fails like success. People ease off a

1051
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:04.599
<v Speaker 1>little bit, people start getting a bit excited about where

1052
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:09.360
<v Speaker 1>they are in life, and they lose that edge sometimes

1053
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:15.159
<v Speaker 1>that that raised on Deetra, that that edge that drives

1054
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 1>them over the line. And there was big forces pushing

1055
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 1>who k are over the line last year, the fact

1056
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 1>they'd not won a title for forty years, the fact

1057
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:26.159
<v Speaker 1>that they've been in the shadow of their neighbors who

1058
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:30.599
<v Speaker 1>left c for so much of that. And I also

1059
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.679
<v Speaker 1>think the loss of McLaurin and Jared we were a

1060
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:37.840
<v Speaker 1>hard Graves are two very big people within the organization

1061
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:41.760
<v Speaker 1>and on the field that are being missed too.

1062
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:42.599
<v Speaker 2>So look.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite often, to win a title or titles, it's a

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01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:51.239
<v Speaker 1>fusion of so many things. It's certain players in the

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01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 1>peak of their career at that time, with some youngsters

1066
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and with some senior players. And then if some of

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01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.559
<v Speaker 1>those things are a slightly different year after, things can

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01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:03.440
<v Speaker 1>be things can be very different. And so far and

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<v Speaker 1>this current evidence, John, they look very different. We're getting

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01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:12.440
<v Speaker 1>some questions, John.

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01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I say, I'm just to add to your point out lead.

1072
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:16.360
<v Speaker 2>I think second season syndrome, in the sense that it's

1073
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.559
<v Speaker 2>very hard to go back to back, isn't it. You know,

1074
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.360
<v Speaker 2>it's it's very difficult. And they won four trophies in

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01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.840
<v Speaker 2>a row, which is a phenomenal feat. But you want

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01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:28.440
<v Speaker 2>how long those standards can start? But I don't I

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01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.360
<v Speaker 2>don't think, you know, I think they can come back

1078
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.440
<v Speaker 2>this season. I don't think it's you know, all over

1079
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:36.599
<v Speaker 2>for them in March. And and also on the Willie

1080
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Peters thing, I think, I mean, I don't know this

1081
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:41.440
<v Speaker 2>for a fact, but I think it's unlikely that you'd

1082
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.760
<v Speaker 2>leave mid season. I think if he you know, if he,

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01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:49.320
<v Speaker 2>if he goes, I just need to sign the contract. Yeah,

1084
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.480
<v Speaker 2>in a contract I'll say at the end of the year. Yeah,

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01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Because I think I think that, you know, taking over

1086
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:57.920
<v Speaker 2>a coup mid season is fraught with a lot of difficulties. No, no,

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01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:59.280
<v Speaker 2>no one have a suggested that I just need to

1088
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:05.960
<v Speaker 2>sign the contract. Yeah, Adam m asked us, why do

1089
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 2>some coaches fans seem to feel obligated to an even

1090
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:14.519
<v Speaker 2>penalty count? Novel concept, but maybe a lopsided penalty count,

1091
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe because one team isn't performing as well as the other.

1092
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:18.000
<v Speaker 2>E g.

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01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:21.599
<v Speaker 1>York six against count versus Wigan was huge as they

1094
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:23.679
<v Speaker 1>kept interfering with the ball in the ruck.

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01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll just start with this.

1096
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 1>The Peter Landy's made a great point last week about

1097
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the clamor for the six agains to be reduced, even

1098
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:38.559
<v Speaker 1>though I think the referees might have done it a

1099
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:40.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit in the NRL, just reduced it a little

1100
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:42.840
<v Speaker 1>bit because the score lines were blowing out, and they

1101
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 1>seem to have blown out a little less this weekend.

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01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.920
<v Speaker 1>But he said over to you, he said, stop breaking

1103
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the rules. And you know, to me, that's a mic

1104
01:02:56.039 --> 01:03:01.599
<v Speaker 1>drop moment. And I guess to this question from Adam,

1105
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if coaches and fans seem obligated for

1106
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:11.119
<v Speaker 1>it to be even I just don't think they appreciate

1107
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:14.360
<v Speaker 1>seven to one and eight one or ten to one,

1108
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:19.199
<v Speaker 1>because every time I've been on the end of one

1109
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.119
<v Speaker 1>of those as a coach, I've looked at the opposition

1110
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:30.239
<v Speaker 1>doing exactly the same things as us, if not worse. So, yes,

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01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:33.119
<v Speaker 1>York would have interfered with the ball in the rock,

1112
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.119
<v Speaker 1>but I'm sure Wigan did too, but just maybe did

1113
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.320
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit smarter or.

1114
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, as a coach more than mely. But

1115
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure every coach you know teaches their team to

1116
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:47.559
<v Speaker 2>try and bend the rules where you can and get

1117
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:50.000
<v Speaker 2>away with what you can. Obviously, you don't go out

1118
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.079
<v Speaker 2>there to cheat in every area. But if you can,

1119
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:55.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, get half a meter, you know, you doing

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01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 2>nine and a half meters and get away with that.

1121
01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Or you can just hold down that player in the rock,

1122
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:01.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, an extra second or half a second. You

1123
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:04.239
<v Speaker 2>do that, don't you. Sometimes you get away with it,

1124
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:05.000
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you don't.

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01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I think too much credit gets given to coaches for

1126
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.400
<v Speaker 1>these things, xactly players that are grubby bastards after the time.

1127
01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:19.519
<v Speaker 1>I have never coached a team to be it dirty

1128
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:22.519
<v Speaker 1>or rip the ball or anything like that. But I've

1129
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:25.079
<v Speaker 1>coached plenty of players who did rip at the ball,

1130
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:28.239
<v Speaker 1>who did do dirty things because that was just in

1131
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:32.280
<v Speaker 1>their makeup and they did so they did everything they

1132
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:36.920
<v Speaker 1>could to hide it from me. So the players football

1133
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 1>IQ is a thing too, and what a coach has

1134
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to do is control that basically and make sure it

1135
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't go out of get out of hand. Mark Williamson

1136
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:48.559
<v Speaker 1>asked a fantastic question, how can you plan to attack

1137
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:51.199
<v Speaker 1>on a pitch with oddsule's dimensions? So for those who

1138
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:55.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's quite significantly thin. A post Giants game,

1139
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Robinson basically said, run hard for the first five then

1140
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.639
<v Speaker 1>kick and hope for the best. Surely there's more to

1141
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:05.519
<v Speaker 1>it decoy runs and dummy lines. Mark Well, I will

1142
01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.760
<v Speaker 1>say that that game plan obviously didn't help Robinson because

1143
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.719
<v Speaker 1>he's now this week looking for a new job. I

1144
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:16.880
<v Speaker 1>am probably going to analyze Bradford this week, John, And

1145
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:22.320
<v Speaker 1>what I've seen so far from Bradford is the coach

1146
01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:27.880
<v Speaker 1>is asking them to play some football. But the key

1147
01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:31.199
<v Speaker 1>why it's successful at the moment is they are playing

1148
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 1>football coming out of their own twenty sometimes and they're

1149
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:39.840
<v Speaker 1>not playing stupidly risky football. They're just moving the ball around,

1150
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.800
<v Speaker 1>ice off loads when it's on, not when it's risky.

1151
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:47.480
<v Speaker 1>They've also got quite a decent back three that get

1152
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:49.639
<v Speaker 1>them some good go forward. Now, if you look at

1153
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Bradford's success in their Super League era nineteen ninety seven

1154
01:05:55.000 --> 01:06:03.000
<v Speaker 1>stands out like dogs appendages because they were huge. They

1155
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:05.639
<v Speaker 1>were huge and if I remember rightly, it was unlimited

1156
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:10.679
<v Speaker 1>interchange era as well, and they just rolled over teams

1157
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:14.599
<v Speaker 1>and that's one way of beating a team on a

1158
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:19.760
<v Speaker 1>thinner pitch. Another way is to and a lot of

1159
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:22.000
<v Speaker 1>teams do this anyway, and I don't understand why they

1160
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:24.880
<v Speaker 1>do it so incessantly, but actually to set up in

1161
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.119
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the field and split your halves so

1162
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:31.719
<v Speaker 1>that people can run lines. Like Mark said, decoy runs

1163
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:37.360
<v Speaker 1>back on the angle, etc. And so forth. Whereas Bradford

1164
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:40.400
<v Speaker 1>at the moment and moving the ball I think in

1165
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.840
<v Speaker 1>their own half quite a bit, but they're moving it smartly.

1166
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:46.840
<v Speaker 1>People always think passing the ball is risky. Well it's

1167
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.199
<v Speaker 1>not riskly risky if you do it smartly and you've

1168
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:53.519
<v Speaker 1>worked on your skills. So Mark, please look out for

1169
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.239
<v Speaker 1>that analysis video this week because I think I will

1170
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.239
<v Speaker 1>look at Bradford. Have you got anything to add to

1171
01:06:58.320 --> 01:06:59.519
<v Speaker 1>that based on what you've seen?

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01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:02.360
<v Speaker 2>John? No, I mean I agree with you. I think

1173
01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.599
<v Speaker 2>you know the Historically the Bradford teams had massive wingers

1174
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:09.360
<v Speaker 2>and massive centers and huge packs, didn't they And I

1175
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.400
<v Speaker 2>think yeah, bashing someone through the middle is one way

1176
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to do it. Obviously, playing off fast rocks. Interchange of

1177
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:21.239
<v Speaker 2>passing inside and out and moving the ball quickly and

1178
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.920
<v Speaker 2>you know from deep as well as another is another thing.

1179
01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:26.599
<v Speaker 2>And Bradford have done that not only when they're playing

1180
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:28.559
<v Speaker 2>it odds are this season, but also you know the

1181
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.840
<v Speaker 2>likes ofs and Helms and other you know the games

1182
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:33.920
<v Speaker 2>that I've seen them, they've been doing that really well,

1183
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:38.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's obviously something that they've been working on, and yeah,

1184
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.000
<v Speaker 2>they've they've been very successful with so far.

1185
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Because they're not being lateral in the in the sense

1186
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that they're trying to go around teams there being lateral,

1187
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:49.079
<v Speaker 1>are still trying to play through teams basically a lot

1188
01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:51.119
<v Speaker 1>and then that gets some go forward with the fast

1189
01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:52.719
<v Speaker 1>ups and then they and then they play.

1190
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:55.840
<v Speaker 2>So for me, you know, I watch a lot of NRL,

1191
01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:58.239
<v Speaker 2>watch a lot of Super League, and it's something more

1192
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.519
<v Speaker 2>teams should be should be doing from deep. You know.

1193
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:02.920
<v Speaker 2>You see they'll get to a last tackle and there'll

1194
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:05.880
<v Speaker 2>be thirty minute from their own try line and halfway

1195
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:07.719
<v Speaker 2>at the ball and he's got two men overlap on

1196
01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.559
<v Speaker 2>his left and he just kicks it. You just think

1197
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:11.880
<v Speaker 2>you've just got to move the shift the ball, which

1198
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:13.639
<v Speaker 2>you should be able to do because you're a professional

1199
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:16.119
<v Speaker 2>football and you have to skill. But obviously, you know

1200
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:19.600
<v Speaker 2>there is that risk and you know, some coaches would

1201
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:21.600
<v Speaker 2>rip a half back sead if he decided to play

1202
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.319
<v Speaker 2>from there. But I like to see teams do that

1203
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:26.800
<v Speaker 2>because you know, adds that bit of jeopardy. It's a

1204
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:31.680
<v Speaker 2>bit more entertaining, its less predictable. So yeah, I applaud

1205
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.279
<v Speaker 2>any team who can do it, and you know they're

1206
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:37.720
<v Speaker 2>doing it in the right They're doing it, as you said,

1207
01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:40.079
<v Speaker 2>when it's on, not just throwing caution the win and

1208
01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to do it.

1209
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're not taking undue risks if you've got

1210
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the ability to catch and pass the football. Passing and

1211
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:50.680
<v Speaker 1>catching the football isn't a risk and.

1212
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Every professional football should be able to catch and pass

1213
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:59.279
<v Speaker 2>the football. Listen to this week's Rugby League Coach podcast Everybody,

1214
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:04.600
<v Speaker 2>and I've opened with a story about Pep Guardiola, who

1215
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:07.239
<v Speaker 2>at the time of my recording had won forty trophies

1216
01:09:07.239 --> 01:09:10.800
<v Speaker 2>as well. Right now the podcast is already out of

1217
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:14.560
<v Speaker 2>date because he's won forty one trophies and he talked. Sorry,

1218
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.319
<v Speaker 2>he sorry. His ex player Cal Walker said, as soon

1219
01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:23.119
<v Speaker 2>as he arrived at Manchester City he realized Pep didn't

1220
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:27.560
<v Speaker 2>like players running in training, not just doing conditioning getting flogged.

1221
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.119
<v Speaker 2>He wanted a ball at the feet all the time. Yeah,

1222
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:32.039
<v Speaker 2>it's a different mentality, yeah right.

1223
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.560
<v Speaker 1>NRL Todd Payton's backside isn't twitching as much this week.

1224
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:43.039
<v Speaker 1>He got the win over Go Coast Titans, although the

1225
01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:45.760
<v Speaker 1>squeaky one might have been in the other coaching box.

1226
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:48.439
<v Speaker 1>The Titans coach Josh Hannay might be a bit worried

1227
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:52.520
<v Speaker 1>about the job he's taken on penryth Un Warriors setting

1228
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the pace and it's a bit of a appendage measuring

1229
01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.000
<v Speaker 1>contest I think between their fans as to who's had

1230
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the better start. And I also want you John to

1231
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:08.760
<v Speaker 1>consider the form of Cronulla, who have started started quite strangely. Yeah,

1232
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:11.840
<v Speaker 1>so Cowboys, Penrith, Warriors and Cronulla.

1233
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't see a huge amount of NRL this weekend.

1234
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed the Broncos game. That was a that

1235
01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:21.000
<v Speaker 2>was a fantastic game and obviously the Broncos coming back

1236
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.880
<v Speaker 2>to win that with all the drama that's gone on

1237
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.399
<v Speaker 2>with with Gordi and Madge and everything. But yeah, really

1238
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:29.680
<v Speaker 2>surprised by Carnalo because I think it's given is a

1239
01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:32.680
<v Speaker 2>fantastic coach and they've been what top four the last

1240
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.600
<v Speaker 2>couple of years, so that's a bit of a puzzle.

1241
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Penrith just look Immatilla, don't they. I Mean, you don't

1242
01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:44.239
<v Speaker 2>win Grand Finals in in March, but they have started

1243
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:49.119
<v Speaker 2>the season really really well. Just look effortless at the moment. Uh.

1244
01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:53.359
<v Speaker 2>And the Cowboys, Yeah, I mean the Gold Coast, it's

1245
01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:55.720
<v Speaker 2>a bit like a bit like casts isn't it. Like

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01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:59.560
<v Speaker 2>they're just a club that. Yeah, they've been down there

1247
01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:01.319
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, and I think, you know, it's

1248
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:05.399
<v Speaker 2>going to be a painful rebuild for Josh Hannay. He

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01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:07.720
<v Speaker 2>needs a lot of time there. I know they've they've

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01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:10.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, they've locked up a few players like Tino

1251
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:15.479
<v Speaker 2>and Cooper By and I think if they locked up

1252
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Campbell or they've got you know, they've got some building

1253
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.720
<v Speaker 2>games now, Yeah, they've got some building goal. See. I

1254
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:22.359
<v Speaker 2>think with the Gold Coast, one of the issues, much

1255
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:25.119
<v Speaker 2>like Newcastles, that they lose a lot of their best

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01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:29.279
<v Speaker 2>local juniors. You know, Paynehasse a Gold Coast junior. Reee

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01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Walsh is a Gold Coast junior. You know, they've got

1258
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:35.520
<v Speaker 2>to try and keep those best players there. But yeah,

1259
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean with the Cowboys, we'll just you know, one

1260
01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.960
<v Speaker 2>win is great for top eight and we'll see how

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01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.199
<v Speaker 2>they go the rest of the the year. Though so,

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01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.079
<v Speaker 2>because I think if they they lose next weekend, the

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01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.159
<v Speaker 2>pressure of just ramps right back up.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the conversation vis A VI Chronel Penryth

1265
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and Warriors. The amazing thing is who they've played, and

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01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the other amazing thing is Penrith defense. Pen I haven't

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01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:05.439
<v Speaker 1>conceded many points at all in this era where points

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01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:14.079
<v Speaker 1>are coming thick and fast. Penrith have played and beaten

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01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:20.000
<v Speaker 1>last year's premiers, Roosters who were many people's favorites for

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01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the competition, and Cronulla who were preliminary finalists and seem

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01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:28.119
<v Speaker 1>to be perennial preliminary finalists. Try to say in that

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01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:33.680
<v Speaker 1>ten times the Warriors have beaten last year's minor premiers,

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01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:38.000
<v Speaker 1>they've beaten Newcastle in Newcastle, and they've beaten the Roosters

1274
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.840
<v Speaker 1>who were many people's favorites for the competition this year.

1275
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:47.000
<v Speaker 1>So already you could say these guys are answering questions

1276
01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:51.079
<v Speaker 1>that you'd want to ask of them too. I think

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01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:53.399
<v Speaker 1>what gives Penrith the edge is the fact that they're

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01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:58.399
<v Speaker 1>just not leaking points, which is amazing in this current era.

1279
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:02.079
<v Speaker 2>And they're worried have a history of imploding mid season

1280
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.439
<v Speaker 2>even after starting well, while Penrith have a history of

1281
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:08.760
<v Speaker 2>just winning things, don't they And they still have that

1282
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:14.159
<v Speaker 2>ridiculously good spine, ridiculously good squad and also that pathway

1283
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:17.079
<v Speaker 2>is you know, the young Ginger was a Jenkins, you know,

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01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean the young Ginger didn't they cut him a

1285
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:24.279
<v Speaker 2>few years ago and then he's come back and he's

1286
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:28.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he's ginger. Yeah, I believe it was Ginger,

1287
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:29.399
<v Speaker 2>Bis it.

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01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Was Every good team needs a red head mate. You know,

1289
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Cowboy's got an easy home fixture next week Melbourne Storm

1290
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:40.520
<v Speaker 1>on the back of a defeat.

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01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you would have hated to have been

1292
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:48.760
<v Speaker 2>the Storm after that? What were they? Were they falling

1293
01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:52.880
<v Speaker 2>all up a halftime? The Storm players with Bellamy? You know,

1294
01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:56.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean he would have been ripping things off, the

1295
01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:57.439
<v Speaker 2>doors off, and.

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01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think what I know of Bemay Bellamy I

1297
01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:06.960
<v Speaker 1>think he's just in the coaching box is a lunatic.

1298
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I think everywhere else is a bit more measured. He's

1299
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:14.079
<v Speaker 1>brutal with his words, but he's not He's not des

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01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Azla ripping dressing room doors off kind of thing. If

1301
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:20.119
<v Speaker 1>you think about it, how many times have you seen

1302
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:23.399
<v Speaker 1>footage of Craig Bellamy going off in the sheds?

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01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think I don't. I don't. Yeah, he's not

1304
01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:29.319
<v Speaker 2>a Ranger and Rave of twenty four seven. But I

1305
01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:32.840
<v Speaker 2>think he he's very honest with his que Yeah, there's

1306
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:35.960
<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong with that. I think he would have he

1307
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:39.680
<v Speaker 2>would not have expected or been happy with that second

1308
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:41.840
<v Speaker 2>half that they dished up. And full credit to the

1309
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Broncos for coming back and winning because they've they've been

1310
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.640
<v Speaker 2>in the sights of everyone, haven't they and basically the

1311
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:51.439
<v Speaker 2>rugby media, and you know, there's been a lot of

1312
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:55.800
<v Speaker 2>ship thrown around and you know, they answered a few

1313
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:57.239
<v Speaker 2>of their critics with that with that win.

1314
01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:01.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to watching cast Flord against Bradford on

1315
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Thursday night UK time Friday morning Australian time. I don't

1316
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:10.560
<v Speaker 1>know why he's smiling, because I actually think you're smiling

1317
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:13.279
<v Speaker 1>because you're happy to be at my company. But Casts

1318
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:16.279
<v Speaker 1>need to win this game. The Castleford need a performance.

1319
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Need a performance. I mean you would you wouldn't probably

1320
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:22.560
<v Speaker 2>say it's a mass win game, but they do need

1321
01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:25.520
<v Speaker 2>a performance. They need to show, you know, that they

1322
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 2>care for the badge and they need to you know,

1323
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:30.479
<v Speaker 2>they need to put their bodies on the line. And

1324
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Bradford or you know, Bradford have a great start of

1325
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the season, so they've got a bit tough opponent and

1326
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.159
<v Speaker 2>the cast fans, you know they will be they're not happy.

1327
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:42.439
<v Speaker 1>So maybe I could help Ryan car by finding the

1328
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:44.720
<v Speaker 1>weaknesses in the Bradford side that you can exploit.

1329
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:48.399
<v Speaker 2>On Thursday, I'll send you I'll send you over his

1330
01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:50.479
<v Speaker 2>number and you can you can give him a call.

1331
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.119
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I'll text him analysis video that I do.

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01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:57.640
<v Speaker 1>On Friday, hul Kingston Rovers host Saints.

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01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really interesting game. I mean, okay, as you said,

1334
01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.760
<v Speaker 2>been a very average start of the season and Helen's

1335
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.199
<v Speaker 2>are flying. They are missing a lot of players, but

1336
01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:12.199
<v Speaker 2>that's a tough away game for them, so that could

1337
01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:14.600
<v Speaker 2>be could be a handing up of the game.

1338
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:18.600
<v Speaker 1>And my prediction for that game the team that plays

1339
01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:24.039
<v Speaker 1>in red and white will win one of them in

1340
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:26.880
<v Speaker 1>a horrible awake it so yeah true or that not

1341
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that plays in red and white at York and Wakey

1342
01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:33.479
<v Speaker 1>also on Friday, winnable for York again.

1343
01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I look when they lost Liam Harris

1344
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:43.439
<v Speaker 2>for the Wigan game, I thought away the Wigan you know,

1345
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:46.600
<v Speaker 2>they'll they'll they'll battle, but they'll they'll be well beaten

1346
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.199
<v Speaker 2>and they'll probably unluckily not to come over with the

1347
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:50.880
<v Speaker 2>drawer at least get a gone point in that game.

1348
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:54.359
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the McShane one is really interesting if you

1349
01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:57.600
<v Speaker 2>if mcshane's out, you definitely I think lead or the

1350
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.439
<v Speaker 2>bookies will lead with with Wakefield being slot fair. But

1351
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that's a that's an interesting fifty to fifty game for me.

1352
01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:08.800
<v Speaker 1>We're going to have a training run against what is

1353
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Field on Saturday and Lee host to lose, I think

1354
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:14.880
<v Speaker 1>to lose a finding life a bit hard now.

1355
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think. Look, I think this round was interesting

1356
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:20.680
<v Speaker 2>because you know, there's been a lot of talk about

1357
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:23.000
<v Speaker 2>how well the promoted teams are doing, and they are

1358
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:26.359
<v Speaker 2>doing well, but you can also argue that there isn't

1359
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:31.239
<v Speaker 2>enough and that's why the foreign quota was injured. It

1360
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:36.319
<v Speaker 2>was increased, shall I say, from seven your teeth in, Johnny. Yeah,

1361
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.880
<v Speaker 2>there isn't enough you know, talent around to go around

1362
01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:43.039
<v Speaker 2>for foreign teams. I think I stand by that, and

1363
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:47.399
<v Speaker 2>I think as goes on, more injuries, et cetera, than

1364
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:50.479
<v Speaker 2>there's going to be you know, some more blowout and

1365
01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:54.560
<v Speaker 2>some teams struggling. And we've already seen Castlevan and Hardersfield struggling.

1366
01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:56.680
<v Speaker 2>And to loose, you know, they've got to back up

1367
01:17:56.720 --> 01:18:01.960
<v Speaker 2>every week and look Lee, you know, barely got anyone fit,

1368
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:05.399
<v Speaker 2>but you know you definitely give them a chance, particularly

1369
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:09.079
<v Speaker 2>at home Wigan. Yeah, I mean that could be a

1370
01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:09.720
<v Speaker 2>cricket store.

1371
01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Ever since I christened them two wins Olympic. I think

1372
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:16.399
<v Speaker 1>they must have liked that name because they've not got

1373
01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:20.079
<v Speaker 1>past two wins yet. On Sunday, Hull left c play

1374
01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the Catalans.

1375
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean that's a really interesting one because cat

1376
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Len's picking up a bit of form now. Obviously again

1377
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:33.560
<v Speaker 2>four players lost to their Yeah, and all of ce.

1378
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:35.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, as I said, that was a big result

1379
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.279
<v Speaker 2>over Leeds, so that's a that's a tasty one. And

1380
01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:45.600
<v Speaker 2>then Leeds Warrington the thirty year anniversary game, Warrington undefeated

1381
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Leeds now were two losses in a row, but but

1382
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:51.279
<v Speaker 2>back at home. So I think that's one of the

1383
01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:54.680
<v Speaker 2>first round games. Thirty years ago it was, I believe

1384
01:18:55.079 --> 01:19:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I think the first of a game was Sheffield Sheffield. Yeah,

1385
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:04.079
<v Speaker 2>do you remember that? I don't, maybe because I was

1386
01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:06.880
<v Speaker 2>fifteen and.

1387
01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:13.319
<v Speaker 1>You didn't have the ability to. I thought you were

1388
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:16.199
<v Speaker 1>one of them children that developed slowly and you could.

1389
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Have well, no, I've seen the highlights and it looked,

1390
01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:24.920
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean the fact that they were playing

1391
01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:26.960
<v Speaker 2>in Paris was pretty cool. I think it was like

1392
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:31.720
<v Speaker 2>sixteen thousand fans. I think something like five thousand fans

1393
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.920
<v Speaker 2>from Sheffield flew over, which is considering Sheffield get about

1394
01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:37.840
<v Speaker 2>five hundred people to a game now, that's quite remarkable.

1395
01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.119
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think the Leeds Warranton thirty years ago

1396
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:44.800
<v Speaker 2>is one of the opening I remember it vividly. Johnny

1397
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:53.439
<v Speaker 2>D and your team were in the championship, weren't they, Yes, and.

1398
01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and maybe a month earlier, less than a month

1399
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.680
<v Speaker 1>been freezing cold in February on the terraces at Salford

1400
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:09.960
<v Speaker 1>watching Salford. And then about a month later there was

1401
01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:13.880
<v Speaker 1>this place that by then had never been to Paris.

1402
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:15.800
<v Speaker 1>By then I was there, I think a year later

1403
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:21.279
<v Speaker 1>or two years later. The it was packaged differently. The

1404
01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:23.560
<v Speaker 1>players were led out one by one.

1405
01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Steve O.

1406
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Steve Steve O called the names out, pronounced absolutely butchered

1407
01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:36.600
<v Speaker 1>the French names. The video referee which was a new thing,

1408
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and it felt like a brand new dough and and yeah,

1409
01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:46.439
<v Speaker 1>like a bit like Miss World saying yeah, Lee will

1410
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:49.720
<v Speaker 1>go out next week and then you cock a hoop

1411
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>for a week and then miss world texture or messages.

1412
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.520
<v Speaker 1>You're an instrument, so sorry, I can't make it. That's

1413
01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:02.279
<v Speaker 1>how I felt because Parish were gone the year two

1414
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:02.960
<v Speaker 1>years later.

1415
01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, I mean, I think, I think the

1416
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:06.640
<v Speaker 2>fact that the Paris thing was kind of built on

1417
01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:10.199
<v Speaker 2>stand and they were all mostly Ausies who didn't even

1418
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:13.079
<v Speaker 2>have visas to playing for us. But look, I think,

1419
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:15.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to look on the positive side. It

1420
01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:19.279
<v Speaker 2>was bold, it was brash, it was exciting. Wasn't a

1421
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:23.199
<v Speaker 2>full time for the first time that everyone and yes,

1422
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:26.039
<v Speaker 2>I really got behind. It's so, you know, thirty years

1423
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:29.960
<v Speaker 2>of ups and downs and ups and yeah, big moments

1424
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, but but you know, a bit to celebrate.

1425
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:36.119
<v Speaker 1>I would say we should have a gone but not

1426
01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:46.000
<v Speaker 1>forgotten Cup Paris, that Whales team that disappeared.

1427
01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Crusaders, Yeah, we can go all Crusaders Toronto. Yeah. Who

1428
01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:55.279
<v Speaker 2>else have we lost? Well?

1429
01:21:55.319 --> 01:21:58.600
<v Speaker 1>In terms of dead clubs, I mean we could throw

1430
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:00.880
<v Speaker 1>a new well, they're not dead. We could have a

1431
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:05.199
<v Speaker 1>World Club Challenger, North Sydney.

1432
01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Bears, Gateshead, Yeah, Gateshead, London Scholars, what do we have?

1433
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:14.960
<v Speaker 2>London Chargers? Do we have London Chargers? Yeah? I mean

1434
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Fulham weren't in Superlin, but yeah they were. Yeah, we've

1435
01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:20.159
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of different renames. I think Workington Town

1436
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:26.319
<v Speaker 2>were in the first and haven't been y If you

1437
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:29.319
<v Speaker 2>want to go through every dead rugby league club from

1438
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:34.520
<v Speaker 2>to what was the one? What's the third leagues club

1439
01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:37.079
<v Speaker 2>that was around for five minutes? There was another Leads,

1440
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:41.399
<v Speaker 2>there was Leeds handled and there was another one which yeah,

1441
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.920
<v Speaker 2>there was Blackpool. Blackpool existed for a while. Yeah, I

1442
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:50.760
<v Speaker 2>played for them, Charlie Charlie Pans. Wasn't there one in

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<v Speaker 2>Liverpool as well? That that lasted about five minutes?

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're think of the Buccaneers. I think I coached

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<v Speaker 1>them and played for them.

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<v Speaker 2>And kenn In Big Yeah, look Ni Victor, who's leads

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<v Speaker 2>one is? Yeah, I can't think I know all it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't think of it in the mind. Planel Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Scoy was involved with him at one point.

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners, Adelaide Rams. What a competition? This is John that

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<v Speaker 1>was setting it? South Queensland Crushers, Yeah, gold Coasts fifteen different,

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<v Speaker 1>all the Eagles, what a comp what a comp Gleeve

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<v Speaker 1>dirty Reds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're still going around. They're still going around. James

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<v Speaker 2>and Brad taking Yes, Yeah, bumper podcast, John, Yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>better wrap it up. Dame in my overtime yep, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>checks in them out. I get three contact contact details

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<v Speaker 2>please HM. You can get on Facebook at John Davidson, Journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny d Davidson, and I'm admin at rugbyley Coach dot

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<v Speaker 1>coma say you email, Rugby League Coach dot comvera you website,

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<v Speaker 1>and at rugbyle Coach on socials apart from x where

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<v Speaker 1>I am at r L Coach on the net. Take care,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you after the hooter on Thursday night