Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers.
Speaker 2: I am thrilled to introduce you all to a brand
Speaker 2: new guest to Psychic Teachers. Deb is not with me
Speaker 2: this week, but we will be back together very soon,
Speaker 2: I promise you.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Joining us on the show today is Dina Rosenberg. She's
Speaker 2: a master crystal healer, REKI practitioner, to Roe reader, and
Speaker 2: sound healer who owns Amineville Apothecary in New York. After
Speaker 2: an intense life shakeup, Dina returned to her roots, her
Speaker 2: first crystal being a black onyx cuff gifted by her
Speaker 2: grandmother when she was twelve, and then she dove headfirst
Speaker 2: into the witchy and woo woo realms that have since
Speaker 2: shaped her path. Dina also co hosts The Apothecary after
Speaker 2: Dark podcast, which explores magic metaphysics in modern witchcraft with
Speaker 2: warmth and wit. And she's just created a fantastic deck
Speaker 2: that we're going to dive into today called Crystal Keys
Speaker 2: to Row. So let's dive into our interview. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show, Data. I'm so excited to officially meet you
Speaker 2: and introduce you to our listeners and talk about.
Speaker 4: Your fabulous new deck. My gosh, thank you so much
Speaker 4: for having me. It's so great to be here. And
Speaker 4: I can talk about crystals and all things metaphysical spiritual
Speaker 4: like all day, so this is awesome me too.
Speaker 2: I could talk about crystals forever, so I cannot wait
Speaker 2: to dive into your deck and crystals. But first, let's
Speaker 2: just ground listeners in who you are and your origination
Speaker 2: story and tell people how you got into all of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so okay, firstly, I guess one of the most
Speaker 4: important things is I co own a metaphysical shop in Amityville,
Speaker 4: which is on Long Island in New York called Amityville Apothecary,
Speaker 4: and we've had this physical brick and mortar shop for
Speaker 4: seven and a half years now. So prior to opening
Speaker 4: the shop, I was just coming back into the spiritual
Speaker 4: metaphysical world because I had gone through a life trauma. Right,
Speaker 4: A lot of people wind up either finding spirituality through
Speaker 4: trauma or coming back to it through trauma, and so
Speaker 4: what had happened is I was working for the local
Speaker 4: village government, which is ironically right behind the shop, Amityville Pothecary,
Speaker 4: and I really loved my job. I really loved helping
Speaker 4: people and it really lit me up and it felt
Speaker 4: like the first time I was really aligned in what
Speaker 4: I was doing in my day to day life. And
Speaker 4: then we had an election and we got a new
Speaker 4: mayor and the minute he took office, he fired me.
Speaker 4: And now plot twist. If any of you are astrologers
Speaker 4: or know anything about astro cartography, what I know now
Speaker 4: that I didn't know then is that I live under
Speaker 4: my Uranian line, which is a very chaotic energy. And
Speaker 4: the person who read my chart was like, have you
Speaker 4: always lived here? And I'm like yes, She goes, well,
Speaker 4: you're probably used to the chaos, and my life is
Speaker 4: very chaotic, so that makes sense. So now I am
Speaker 4: let go of the shop that was very meaningful to me.
Speaker 4: I was able to help people, and I didn't want
Speaker 4: to just go back into the grind doing the same old,
Speaker 4: same old. And so thankfully I had an understanding husband,
Speaker 4: which you know, not a lot of people have another
Speaker 4: person living with them that has money that can say like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 4: figure out what you want to do. We also have
Speaker 4: some savings. Again lucky in that regard that I had
Speaker 4: put away some money and I got a reiki certification,
Speaker 4: I did a sound healing certification, and I wound up
Speaker 4: seeing an advertisement on Facebook for a Connecting with Crystals
Speaker 4: class at Crystals Connection, which is all the way upstate
Speaker 4: New York in Wartzboro, like about three hours from where
Speaker 4: I am on Long Island, and I'm like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go to this. I'm just gonna go by myself. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go to this because crystals and well like witchy
Speaker 4: things and metaphysical things you do, like collecting feathers and
Speaker 4: collecting seashells, Like my whole house is filled with this stuff, right,
Speaker 4: And so I'm just gonna do this. And I was
Speaker 4: sort of newly reawakened, so I was getting tons of
Speaker 4: signs and number of patterns. All the things were like
Speaker 4: lighting up. So I go up there and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit in this class. It was like six
Speaker 4: hours or something, and there was three or four other
Speaker 4: people in this class and myself and then what ultimately
Speaker 4: became my teacher, Laurel Rothki, was teaching and she's like, oh, everybody,
Speaker 4: go around the room and introduce yourself. And everybody's like,
Speaker 4: I'm a reiki master and I'm a bit and I
Speaker 4: do angel channeling, and they get to me and I'm like, hi, Manyadna.
Speaker 4: I like rocks, and that's how I started really learning
Speaker 4: the metaphysical aspects. Like I had gotten my first crystals
Speaker 4: when I was a very young girl in the eighties,
Speaker 4: black onyx jarkoise from my grandmother, So that's how I
Speaker 4: got back into it. And then literally, like the universe
Speaker 4: does when you start following the bread crumbs, the universe
Speaker 4: just started giving me more pieces of the puzzle. I
Speaker 4: didn't know where I was going to end up, but
Speaker 4: little did I know, the universe was like, actually, you're
Speaker 4: going to do this now.
Speaker 1: I love that. It all just kind of falls in.
Speaker 4: I love too.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that your husband was supportive financially but
Speaker 2: also emotionally, because that's a huge leap of faith. And
Speaker 2: am I mistaken? Aren't you the only metaphysical store in
Speaker 2: your town?
Speaker 4: We're the only metaphysical shop in town at the time
Speaker 4: when we opened seven and a half years ago. There
Speaker 4: was one maybe a thirty five minute drive away to
Speaker 4: the west that's still in business that has been around
Speaker 4: for a long time, and there was one about a
Speaker 4: fifteen minute drive to the east, and that was really it.
Speaker 4: In the immediate sphere of where we were, so we
Speaker 4: have taken a huge leap of faith, and my husband
Speaker 4: is very he's very spiritual, but we're also like really
Speaker 4: tu in into each other. It's like one of those
Speaker 4: things where like I'll say something and he'll be like,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna believe this, but I was just thinking that.
Speaker 4: Or I call him and he's like, I was just
Speaker 4: dialing your number. Like that. Stuff happens to U's NonStop.
Speaker 4: So we're very on the same wavelength, like most of
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, And you've had so much success, which is
Speaker 2: really really great, wonderful to see. Has there been any pushback?
Speaker 2: We were talking before we hit We're talking about how
Speaker 2: hard it can be to be in this field with
Speaker 2: the judgment and the you're working for the devil commentary.
Speaker 4: Okay, So the story goes that this is a very
Speaker 4: quaint little village and the people here like to keep
Speaker 4: it the same way it's always been. And there's a
Speaker 4: village Christmas tree lighting that it's the first Saturday in
Speaker 4: December and it's been going on forever and ever and
Speaker 4: infrenam and they close the street down. Santa and Missus
Speaker 4: Claus come on the fire truck and they do pictures
Speaker 4: with Santa, they light the big Tree. It's the big production.
Speaker 4: And so the thing about the village of Amityville, and
Speaker 4: it's sort of like an inside joke. They say that
Speaker 4: Amityville is a drinking town with a boating problem, because
Speaker 4: the people here really do like to drink. And so
Speaker 4: what was happening would be parents would come up here
Speaker 4: with their kids on foot, and they'd be, you know,
Speaker 4: imbibing in cocktails and getting maybe a little bit away
Speaker 4: from themselves. I'm trying to be politically correct, and the
Speaker 4: kids were sort of running rampant around and were coming
Speaker 4: into the store without their parents and touching stuff and
Speaker 4: being a little naughty, like Saint Nicholas would not approve. Okay,
Speaker 4: they would definitely be on the naughty list. So one
Speaker 4: year I got annoyed and I said, that's it, I'm
Speaker 4: buying a crampus costume. So this past holiday season, even
Speaker 4: though this was the third year we had crampets in
Speaker 4: the store, for whatever reason, it got a be in
Speaker 4: somebody's bonnet about how we were witches. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's really funny because I do consider my fuffl witch.
Speaker 4: So like, tell me you've never been in here without
Speaker 4: telling me you've never been in here, like ha ha.
Speaker 4: But you know it was on the news. It was
Speaker 4: on the news, it was in the paper, like the
Speaker 4: local comedian came here about it. It was such a
Speaker 4: production and it was a mountain out of a bowhill.
Speaker 4: And it was so weird because I work closely with
Speaker 4: the local Catholic parish. We do donations for them. I
Speaker 4: give them like fifty easter baskets every year for the kids.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't from those people. It's like from this
Speaker 4: like other strange community. But you know what they say,
Speaker 4: Robert Green forty eight, lots of power, I guess go.
Speaker 4: Publicity is bad. Publicity, Yeah, isn't that. But it was weird.
Speaker 4: It was weird, and people do still have their judgments
Speaker 4: and like, listen, you know how it is. The listeners
Speaker 4: know how it is. Not everybody's gonna believe what you're
Speaker 4: doing is quote unquote of the light or quote unquote
Speaker 4: holy or what or you're talking to devils or nobody
Speaker 4: knows or this or that there's nothing you could do
Speaker 4: about it, and like, don't take the bait and don't
Speaker 4: listen to the noise.
Speaker 1: You can't exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, we dev and I always joke the last book
Speaker 2: of the Book of Revelations, one of the last lines says,
Speaker 2: and they shall all be sent to hell, those soothsayers,
Speaker 2: the prostitutes.
Speaker 1: And the dogs.
Speaker 2: And we're like, well, at least our dogs will be
Speaker 2: with us, you know.
Speaker 4: Well, my gosh, yeah, please. If my dog isn't going
Speaker 4: to heaven, then I guess I have no other choice,
Speaker 4: because yeah, exactly, not separating me from my poppies. It's
Speaker 4: not happening, all right.
Speaker 2: So tell us how your lifelong love of rocks, as
Speaker 2: you said in your Crystal class, got started for you.
Speaker 4: So, okay, my mom had me when she was pretty young,
Speaker 4: so my grandparents really did a lot of the watching
Speaker 4: of me. And I was the first grandchild by like
Speaker 4: thirteen years, and it was always in my grandparents. And
Speaker 4: my grandparents had a like summer home, a little cottage
Speaker 4: if they would runt in the Poconos, which in the
Speaker 4: eighties was a very popular place to go, and there
Speaker 4: was a flea market where there was a Nata of
Speaker 4: American silver seller. So you know, you see these things now,
Speaker 4: they're antique and they're very expensive. Although I can't believe
Speaker 4: that anything from my youth would be considered an antique.
Speaker 4: But it is silver cops with turquoise or onyx. And
Speaker 4: at the time they were very inexpensive, like fifteen dollars.
Speaker 4: Now they'd be like in the hundreds. And my grandmother
Speaker 4: would buy these things for me and I would love
Speaker 4: to get all different materials, so she bought me a
Speaker 4: black onyx, so that was one of my first ones. Turquoise,
Speaker 4: which is typical of indigenous crafts, and mother of pearl,
Speaker 4: which is the inside of a seashell, which is something
Speaker 4: else that's very typical in indigenous workings. And that's how
Speaker 4: I started. I loved them and I always just wanted
Speaker 4: to have them on me. And I really also loved
Speaker 4: nature because, like I said, I didn't have cousins really
Speaker 4: and I was with my grandparents and so I would
Speaker 4: just be in the woods, like running around and making
Speaker 4: up games and like befriend the docs and the hawks.
Speaker 4: And that's literally how I grew up and how I
Speaker 4: started loving crystals and all things nature.
Speaker 2: I call it my gateway drug, yes, you know, but
Speaker 2: for some people it's to row, or it might be ruins,
Speaker 2: or it might be sound healing. For me, it was
Speaker 2: definitely crystals, and I think it's just a beautiful way
Speaker 2: to embark on this journey. So you've been reading Touro
Speaker 2: for a long time, right, Yeah?
Speaker 4: I got my first deck in nineteen ninety five. I
Speaker 4: was in college.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, I'll post some photos of your deck
Speaker 2: and the individual cards on our social media pages so
Speaker 2: people can see what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: But you have taken the seventy.
Speaker 2: Eight Tourou cards and created them with crystals. I think
Speaker 2: it's absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 1: I love the artwork.
Speaker 2: I really love your descriptions of the crystals and how
Speaker 2: they connect to the Tourou cards. I also especially love
Speaker 2: the crystals that you've chosen because they're super unique. Wolf Nite,
Speaker 2: like you and I have heard of that, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people haven't, and so yeah, to be introducing
Speaker 2: people to so many beautiful crystals that aren't super popular
Speaker 2: as Yeah, But I have to be honest, I would
Speaker 2: be nervous to combine my love of crystals with Toureau
Speaker 2: because you straight from the weight writer and people are like, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: WHOA hold on there, tell us how that whole project
Speaker 2: came to being.
Speaker 4: So it started literally in the shower. I do most
Speaker 4: of my best channeling there and I was just in
Speaker 4: the shower and it came to me that moldoite and
Speaker 4: the tower are the same energy. And it was right
Speaker 4: around the time when mold of I it was really
Speaker 4: popping off on TikTok because I've been born. This is
Speaker 4: this tower deck. It's like four years in the making
Speaker 4: at this point as of today right now, it took
Speaker 4: like four years to get to hear. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's like really an interesting concept. And it was more
Speaker 4: so for myself because, like I said, I got my
Speaker 4: first tower deck in nineteen ninety five, and I'd never
Speaker 4: really considered myself like a great reader. So I was like,
Speaker 4: this is really frustrating. But like crystals, crystal energies, usages,
Speaker 4: people like, how do you know all this stuff? But
Speaker 4: I just for whatever reason, like you said, it's your
Speaker 4: gateway drug, it's the same with me. They d they stick,
Speaker 4: they just stick it. So I thought that was like
Speaker 4: a really interesting concept, mold of bite and the tower
Speaker 4: and then again the universe doing what the universe does
Speaker 4: about the bred crumbs. The universe sent an illustrator into
Speaker 4: my store, and the illustrator was like, Hi, I'm Amalia.
Speaker 4: I'm an illustrator. I do this. I do packaging. I
Speaker 4: do that. She had done coloring on a tower deck
Speaker 4: or traditional Ridersmith Waite deck, and so we talk about it.
Speaker 4: Gave me your card and I reached out to her
Speaker 4: and I was like, listen, I'd like to meet with you.
Speaker 4: I have a project that i've been like sort of
Speaker 4: like knocking around in my head. I'd like to talk
Speaker 4: to you about it to see if you might be
Speaker 4: interested in a collaboration. At that point, the cards that
Speaker 4: came through to me were the Devil, the Tower, the Empress,
Speaker 4: and the High Priestess. Those are the four and I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I think like they were starting to
Speaker 4: really break through quite quickly. I explained it to Amalia
Speaker 4: am Ias like, I'm totally down with it. I explained
Speaker 4: to her the imageries that I had for each of
Speaker 4: the chords, and it was from that conversation that we
Speaker 4: really were able to develop what would become the style
Speaker 4: of the deck, which is rooted in the writer Smith wait,
Speaker 4: but also very unique in and of itself. So you're
Speaker 4: going to see some of the symbols, there's going to
Speaker 4: be some really big deportures, like the Devil and some
Speaker 4: other like the Devil is a departure. The World is
Speaker 4: sort of a departure.
Speaker 2: A full world card with the Rose is that the
Speaker 2: Rose chords form in the sory.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ye, yeah, I love that. And Judgment is a
Speaker 4: gigantic deporture because that card is you know, I already
Speaker 4: has their card in Turo. That's like, I don't really
Speaker 4: care for you, and for me it's judgment.
Speaker 2: I think it's great to depart from some things as well,
Speaker 2: because you have to put your own mark and your
Speaker 2: own imprint on it. And when I look at the
Speaker 2: Devil card in your deck, it's a hand holding up
Speaker 2: black obsidian, and I think that's perfect because we are
Speaker 2: our own worst enemy when it comes to fears and
Speaker 2: worries and anxiety and blockages, and all of that is
Speaker 2: portrayed in the card.
Speaker 4: Yes, so much of my writing and my channeling is
Speaker 4: rooted in the teachings of Rachel Pollock. And then I
Speaker 4: really love also Carolin Elliott wrote that book Existential Kink,
Speaker 4: which is like rooted in young and psychology. I love
Speaker 4: her work and so you're gonna see a lot of
Speaker 4: those threads where a lot of it's self reflection driven,
Speaker 4: and that's really the style of reader I am. In
Speaker 4: the style of metaphysical or spiritual practitioner, I am. People
Speaker 4: come to the shop and say, I am this annoying homeworker,
Speaker 4: and what crystal do I get to stop her from
Speaker 4: being annoying. I'm like, there is no crystal stop anybody
Speaker 4: from doing anything. You can work with crystal so you
Speaker 4: can maintain your own energy and not get so triggered
Speaker 4: and not be so annoyed.
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
Speaker 2: That's one of our most popular podcast episodes we did
Speaker 2: is called There's Not a Rock for That. You know,
Speaker 2: it just didn't remind people that these crystals can work
Speaker 2: with our energy and they can't help us align our chakras,
Speaker 2: but we have to actually do the steps.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I love crystals because they're just like reminders. If you
Speaker 2: have an annoying neighbor and I want to maybe do
Speaker 2: hematite or black obsidian to deflect that energy. I do
Speaker 2: think that crystal is working to help me deflect my energy,
Speaker 2: but it's really working to remind me you've got to
Speaker 2: set boundaries.
Speaker 4: Yes, you have to set boundaries.
Speaker 2: You need to.
Speaker 4: Really be also cognizant of your part of the whole thing,
Speaker 4: because like sometimes we are like a little like I
Speaker 4: don't want to say like we're drama queens or whatever,
Speaker 4: but like sometimes I sort of feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: I love to gossip. I love a good gossip sash,
Speaker 4: Like my mom will be like dirtle it or whatever.
Speaker 4: But sometimes that is and I hate saying like lower
Speaker 4: vibrational energy because like whatever, we're human being, like we
Speaker 4: do silly stuff. But sometimes if you're in that energy,
Speaker 4: just like own it. Like sometimes we are enjoying being
Speaker 4: in the energy, and we got to own our stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1: So now that this dick is out there.
Speaker 2: Are you using it in your touro readings? In what
Speaker 2: kind of effect response are you having with that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I've been using it since January. So I got
Speaker 4: my demo, my early release copy in December and right
Speaker 4: before Christmas, and I didn't open it until January first.
Speaker 2: That must have been so hard.
Speaker 4: I did, you know. I got it from the Polisher
Speaker 4: from Wiser and it was Christmas time and it was
Speaker 4: chaotic and I wanted to like, you know, I lived
Speaker 4: my life on social media for the shop, and I
Speaker 4: went to make sure that I had the backdrop and
Speaker 4: the lighting and this and that, and then it was
Speaker 4: Christmas time in my house was a mess. And then
Speaker 4: I'm in a retail store during Christmas time, so I'm super,
Speaker 4: super ridiculously busy. And then we wound up, me and
Speaker 4: my family and my kids. We went end up going
Speaker 4: to Puerto Rico on Christmas Day and staying through New
Speaker 4: Year's and I just brought it to the beach with
Speaker 4: me and I was in my bathing student like I'm
Speaker 4: opening it on the beach in Puerto Rico on January first,
Speaker 4: Like this is what we're doing. And if you go
Speaker 4: to my Instagram, which is Dina L. Rosenberg and scroll
Speaker 4: and scroll, we'll see it there. But I've been doing
Speaker 4: a card pole of the day every single day on
Speaker 4: social media since January first, to just introduce the deck
Speaker 4: to everybody and get used to reading with it. And
Speaker 4: it's very interesting to read from a deck that you
Speaker 4: wrote and conceived. She is honest to a fault, like myself,
Speaker 4: Like she's not aggressive, but she's definitely a New Yorker.
Speaker 4: I'll give you that a little bit of New York
Speaker 4: Anda Jake. You know.
Speaker 2: I love that though, because that's what people want and
Speaker 2: need when they are consulting any kind of deck. They
Speaker 2: want truth and audestine, and that's what you're going to
Speaker 2: get here. I'll be I should say, if I'm reading
Speaker 2: for someone who's super new to tourou, I will pull
Speaker 2: out the Angel Touro deck by Radley Valander.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a more gentle deck. It's much more
Speaker 4: jent doal.
Speaker 2: It's so gentle and easy, there's nothing scary there. But
Speaker 2: if I'm ever doing a reading for myself or anyone
Speaker 2: who's you know, familiar with all of this, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go to additional Touro And now I have this
Speaker 2: beautiful deck I could, which I absolutely love.
Speaker 4: I think realty surprised with the way it reading. It's
Speaker 4: pretty interesting well.
Speaker 1: And the colors though, are so vivid too.
Speaker 4: The colors. That was something that I was so happy
Speaker 4: about when I opened up the deck for the first time,
Speaker 4: was how beautiful a color is translated. It's not easy
Speaker 4: to show sometimes certain crystals, and a boy, it did
Speaker 4: an exceptional job. There's also a lot of photographs in
Speaker 4: here that she's layering as well, so it really came
Speaker 4: through beautifully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, And thank you for calling the
Speaker 2: original deck the wait Writer Smith deck, because I keep
Speaker 2: forgetting to add Pamela's name to the deck, which is
Speaker 2: such so important, you know, it's so important, and I'm
Speaker 2: so glad she's finally getting her recognition.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 2: So it's nice that you're doing that and you're giving
Speaker 2: your illustrator the recognition that she deserves. Was she able
Speaker 2: to have a lot of input, like you said, you
Speaker 2: channeled a lot of these would she sit with it
Speaker 2: and go, you know, Dina, I really think this should
Speaker 2: be that?
Speaker 1: And how did that work?
Speaker 4: How that worked? So interestingly enough, it's very uncommon to
Speaker 4: approach a publisher and get picked up when you already
Speaker 4: have an artist. It is not the way it's done. Typically,
Speaker 4: the creator who's the author, does the pitch, creates the
Speaker 4: creates like the grand scheme of the deck, and then
Speaker 4: typically the publisher will give you an illustrator. That's how
Speaker 4: it normally works. And in this case, we really were
Speaker 4: sort of gonna self publish. I was going to self
Speaker 4: publish it and do all the heavy lifting, and it
Speaker 4: wound up just being a very weird, sort of weird.
Speaker 4: I own a which store. You know, it wasn't weird,
Speaker 4: but it came through very quickly. So basically I did
Speaker 4: all of the correspondences. I matched a crystal with each
Speaker 4: hard energy. We sat together and decide did what we
Speaker 4: were going to do in terms of the minor orcana,
Speaker 4: which was much harder than the major because when you
Speaker 4: get into the miners, you have some energies that maybe
Speaker 4: are not preferred. Thinking about some of the swords energy
Speaker 4: and even some of the cups and crystals don't really
Speaker 4: have quote unquote negative energies associated with them or unpreferred energies.
Speaker 4: So there was some sort of reconciliation of like, how
Speaker 4: were we going to say, approach at three of swords
Speaker 4: or tennis swords? Right, But then there was the conversation
Speaker 4: about making each suit makes sense and so we it
Speaker 4: was easy for me, coming from being the perspective of
Speaker 4: a crystal person, that is, a crystal healer that lays
Speaker 4: over the body and understands the lot of chapras, that
Speaker 4: each suit was going to have corresponding colors that were
Speaker 4: really to correspond with the chakras. Right. But there were
Speaker 4: sometimes where you know, I would give very specific imagery
Speaker 4: and say it has to be like this. And then
Speaker 4: there were times with the Malia where she really directed
Speaker 4: the energy, So you're going to see a lot of
Speaker 4: her really shine through in the pups, which is my
Speaker 4: one of my favorite suits in this deck. And then
Speaker 4: we did also have a conversation that because it's crystal centered,
Speaker 4: that we really didn't want so many people in the deck.
Speaker 4: We didn't want human beings taking away from the crystals.
Speaker 4: And so to approach the court cards was a little
Speaker 4: bit difficult because court cards are really people centered, and
Speaker 4: so we decided to give each court card a symbol.
Speaker 4: So the queens have the throne, the kings have the crown,
Speaker 4: the knight has the horse, and then the page has
Speaker 4: two hands to differentiate it from the aces, which have
Speaker 4: one hand. That makes sense, so like the pages would
Speaker 4: be like canding you that energy, like a new beginner
Speaker 4: sort of thing. So that's how we workshopped it. But
Speaker 4: it took me a really long time to redraw or
Speaker 4: on seventy eight cards. It's like insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and I want to talk about some
Speaker 2: of the individual cards, but we're going to take our
Speaker 2: first break. We'll be right back in a second. Hey, guys,
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Speaker 2: dot com. Okay, welcome back. So I want to talk
Speaker 2: about one of my favorite cards, which is not my
Speaker 2: favorite card interurow, just the illustration and the crystal.
Speaker 1: You chose the five of cups.
Speaker 2: Now, every time I see this card in a reading,
Speaker 2: I always get a little sad because I know it
Speaker 2: means the person has been going through some really heavy stuff.
Speaker 1: I do love to point out that there's.
Speaker 2: Always two cups standing up and so there's hope and
Speaker 2: you know, blah blah blah. But the card in the
Speaker 2: traditional tourou is sad. This one is so pink and
Speaker 2: bright and happy and it's rhotocro site and there's a
Speaker 2: bridge made out of roto Cruise site, which is how
Speaker 2: I think of that stone. Yeah, it's a bridge to
Speaker 2: healing and forgiveness.
Speaker 4: Correct and that's what we need in that moment when
Speaker 4: we pull a cord like this where we're in a
Speaker 4: moment where maybe you have to close a door or
Speaker 4: close a chapter that isn't serving you. We all get
Speaker 4: to these points in our life where you know the
Speaker 4: thing isn't serving you, but maybe you're still like attached
Speaker 4: to a little bit and you're going through it. It could
Speaker 4: be a relationship, a job, whatever, where you've outgrown it
Speaker 4: or they've outgrown you, or vice versa. But there's that
Speaker 4: sort of ache there, and so there's reconciliation that you
Speaker 4: need to do to integrate into heal, and Rhotocross Site
Speaker 4: is that bridge to help you soothe your heart, but
Speaker 4: also learn the lessons.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I was always taught when by my crystal teacher Larel
Speaker 4: and Rethki, that when you see a lot of patterns
Speaker 4: and the lines in crystals, you could also use that
Speaker 4: to pattern yourself and so to use those patterns in
Speaker 4: the Rhoto cross site to repat on your heart, to
Speaker 4: help you heal, to help you reconcile them to integrate.
Speaker 4: So that was the message of that, and Amalia did
Speaker 4: a fantastic job with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she really did.
Speaker 2: And the page of cups seeking with that suit has
Speaker 2: Opal and I just again it's very very hopeful.
Speaker 1: It's all the rainbow colors of Opal.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Opal because it got such
Speaker 2: a bad rap throughout history.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know there's legends like opals bring tears is
Speaker 4: something that you hear quite often. I was taught by
Speaker 4: my teacher that Opal helps you move between worlds or
Speaker 4: be unseen, and it's like a cloak or a cloaking.
Speaker 4: And I thought that was like really interesting.
Speaker 2: But then I ward of why it got its bad
Speaker 2: rap because thieves would wear it thinking they'd be invisible.
Speaker 2: Why they stole your stuff.
Speaker 4: So I'm yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm always I love the stone, and then I think
Speaker 2: of all the stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love Opal. I love Opals. My daughter is
Speaker 4: a September baby, so OPL is her birth right right.
Speaker 4: It said that if it's your birthstone, like it's okay,
Speaker 4: wants to work with you in healing practice. I don't
Speaker 4: really work that often with Opal because it is sort
Speaker 4: of funny in that way.
Speaker 2: But I feel totally different about pink Opel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what, like the opals that are
Speaker 4: like the quote unquote common oples, like pink Opel, even
Speaker 4: like like blue Opal, green Opal, it's not the same.
Speaker 4: I think you need like that color flash, like the
Speaker 4: more quote unquote fancy like the Ethiopian oples to really
Speaker 4: get that sort of spicy imagery. But I feel like
Speaker 4: the pages are a little spicy because they're they have
Speaker 4: that youth there.
Speaker 2: Yes, they have all the energy of the new beginnings
Speaker 2: and the new stuff coming to you.
Speaker 1: So I think that's absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2: All right, let's look at some of the swords, because that,
Speaker 2: like you said, can be a difficult.
Speaker 4: Swords could be rough man, especially if you're not if
Speaker 4: you're not ready to face the truth. There they are
Speaker 4: in grace whether you want it or not, you're getting
Speaker 4: the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you have blue Chel Sedny for the Aid
Speaker 2: of Swords.
Speaker 1: Tell me why you picked that?
Speaker 4: You know the imagery and it comes through in the book.
Speaker 4: Is that I think about just snap out of it
Speaker 4: and like open your eyes and throw some cold water
Speaker 4: on your face and take the bindings off yourself, like
Speaker 4: and stap your foolishness. And blue Chalth Sidney isn't aggressive,
Speaker 4: but it's cooling. So get a little bit of emotional
Speaker 4: and intellectual clarity around something that like you're sort of
Speaker 4: playing yourself about a little bit. Is why I want
Speaker 4: with that one?
Speaker 2: That makes sense because I often see that card is
Speaker 2: holding on to victimhood in a way because you could
Speaker 2: easily slip out of all of that.
Speaker 4: Right, put cold water on your face, put on your
Speaker 4: red lipstick and cut the shit.
Speaker 2: Yes yeah yeah, and speak your truth yeah, which is
Speaker 2: what blue Chel Sidney helps us to do.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: Now you picked one of.
Speaker 1: My all time favorite crystals.
Speaker 2: So we want to ask you about blue Kyanite for justice.
Speaker 4: Okay, so justice, that one came very very quickly. Justice
Speaker 4: and blue Clientate were like peas and carrots. Like I
Speaker 4: literally didn't even have to do much on that one.
Speaker 4: I like looked at Justice and I'm like, oh, that's blue Kainite,
Speaker 4: Like just like right away it came blue Kanite is
Speaker 4: incredibly aligning. It works across all chopras. It like snaps
Speaker 4: the energy meridians in place. And it just felt very
Speaker 4: much like a stored sort of truth dispensing justice and
Speaker 4: like knowing what is right because it's also very aligned.
Speaker 4: But now that I've been sitting with the card Justice,
Speaker 4: my meaning of it definitely is born from Rachel Pollock,
Speaker 4: not so much about the idea of external justice, because
Speaker 4: I really like how many people like can legal matters
Speaker 4: or go like no, like that's a very small time
Speaker 4: in your life when you're doing like signing legal documents,
Speaker 4: that's boring, like get a lawyer, all right. But I
Speaker 4: think about the concept of blue Klanate being incredibly aligning.
Speaker 4: And when I think about alignments, I'm thinking about my
Speaker 4: spinal column. I think about what's holding me up. And
Speaker 4: when I think about what's holding me up, I think
Speaker 4: about my authentic truth, like what's my declaration of independence?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: We hold these truths to be self evident, but like
Speaker 4: for yourself to me that's what justice is like do
Speaker 4: living yourself justice by your own codex and having that
Speaker 4: on the wall and be like, am I going to
Speaker 4: do this? Am I going to make this decision? Am
Speaker 4: I going to live this way? Am I going to
Speaker 4: say yes to this? Is it in alignment with what
Speaker 4: the type of life that I want for myself? And
Speaker 4: if yes, great, go for it. But if not, really
Speaker 4: think about it. I'm not saying be a drunk to
Speaker 4: other people and not have candor, but I think especially
Speaker 4: a lot of people in spiritual places or reform or
Speaker 4: reforming people pleasers, and we come to spirituality because we
Speaker 4: have put ourselves laughed and behind so often that we
Speaker 4: need to figure out like how are we going to
Speaker 4: stand in our own power? And again, that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: being a jark. It just means standing by your own
Speaker 4: code of ethics and world. And I think that's what
Speaker 4: justice is and my understanding when it comes out and
Speaker 4: readings a lot of the times, that's what I think
Speaker 4: the message is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and blue Kai and I does match that perfectly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you some questions that we get
Speaker 2: all the time because I love your educated insight on him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one thing people ask us, is I want to start
Speaker 2: getting into crystals, which one should I start with. That's well,
Speaker 2: he's such a hard question for me because I think
Speaker 2: it's unique.
Speaker 4: But I think that people come into the shop, I say,
Speaker 4: don't read anything. Don't read anything, because we have little
Speaker 4: placards that will say what everything does. And keep in
Speaker 4: mind the placards are like three inches by three inches,
Speaker 4: so I cannot put everything that each crystal it's corresponding
Speaker 4: with on a three inch by three inch placard. However,
Speaker 4: the crystals will speak to you, primarily number one, through
Speaker 4: your eyes and through their color and through the way
Speaker 4: the light plays through the pristal or not. So we
Speaker 4: go through these phases in our life where we're super
Speaker 4: attracted to a particular color, you know, when we're younger,
Speaker 4: we have a color palette, and as we go through
Speaker 4: different life, you know, seasons, we're attracted to different colors,
Speaker 4: and so crystals respond in the same way. So you
Speaker 4: might be into these light blues where it's really important
Speaker 4: for you to, like I said, speak up for yourself
Speaker 4: and develop your code of being in the world. Or
Speaker 4: perhaps you're really into pale pinks right now, because maybe
Speaker 4: you've gone through some heavy emotional stuff. O hearts, I
Speaker 4: need you to be gentle with me right now. Or
Speaker 4: maybe you're just really into crystals like me that have
Speaker 4: rainbows in them, and maybe that's the lesson of the wound,
Speaker 4: is where the light enters, like roomy says, right, And
Speaker 4: so that's the same thing with crystals that have a rainbow.
Speaker 4: There was something that happened there, some type of force
Speaker 4: that created that crack. But when that happens, rainbows appear,
Speaker 4: especially in courts, and so it's a reminder that we
Speaker 4: all sort of get knocked around, but our ruses. Really,
Speaker 4: do you contribute to our beauty of understanding of other
Speaker 4: human beings. So I think there's no easy answer. I
Speaker 4: will say there are crystals that people will go to
Speaker 4: the master healers. People are attracted to amethyst, They're attracted
Speaker 4: to roast courts and satrine and smoky courts because they're
Speaker 4: the master healers. And I think some part of us,
Speaker 4: whether our conscious or our unconscious selves, understand that, and
Speaker 4: so they are automatically drawn to that. But there's no
Speaker 4: harder fans, there's no wrong answer or right answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, and I think that's why it's
Speaker 2: so important if you can to get into a crystal
Speaker 2: store like yours so you can see it and feel
Speaker 2: the energy. I know some people don't live close to that,
Speaker 2: and they have to go online, and that's fine, but
Speaker 2: if you can see them in person, like you said,
Speaker 2: you'll be called to a color, or you'll be called
Speaker 2: to a stone, and something else I'd like for you
Speaker 2: to speak on. I think a lot of people believe
Speaker 2: that they're going to wear a rose cords and today.
Speaker 1: They meet their soulmate.
Speaker 4: But it takes so long for.
Speaker 2: These crystals to work with their energy and do the restructuring.
Speaker 4: Right they There's so many other factors that go into play.
Speaker 4: Like you said, they're tools, and they have energetic resonance
Speaker 4: and frequency, and that's how they interact with our energetic bodies.
Speaker 4: But we also have free will and we also have
Speaker 4: to do the thing. So the metaphor that I use
Speaker 4: what I'm teaching is you can't go to home depot
Speaker 4: and buy sheets of sheet rock and two by fours
Speaker 4: and nails and screws and throw them in your basement
Speaker 4: and then go down there in three months and say,
Speaker 4: where's my house, where's my house? I love that example,
Speaker 4: you have to build your house, you have to have
Speaker 4: the knowledge, you have to make the decision, you have
Speaker 4: to put the work in and the research in, so
Speaker 4: you have to work with them. So it's not just
Speaker 4: about wearing the roose courts, it's about sitting with it,
Speaker 4: meditating with it. In what ways can it reveal to
Speaker 4: you where you're blocking your heart and closing yourself off
Speaker 4: from the experiences of other people. Perhaps you are controlling
Speaker 4: the narrative too much and demanding from the universe it
Speaker 4: provides you one specific type of human being when really
Speaker 4: you're you would vibe with somebody else completely different, but
Speaker 4: you've closed yourself off to it. So there's so much
Speaker 4: more to it than just strapping on crystal and expecting
Speaker 4: it to automatically work for you, Like you really do
Speaker 4: have to meet it more than halfway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you'll get a Crystal and you'll ask it
Speaker 2: to work with you for this one particular thing, and
Speaker 2: for me anyway, nothing happens for a while, maybe two weeks,
Speaker 2: maybe two months, and then suddenly I'm like, oh, I've
Speaker 2: incorporated that, but I don't even recognize it. Yeah, yep, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I want to ask you how you use crystals personally
Speaker 2: in your daily life.
Speaker 1: But we're going to take our last break. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back.
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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back. So dta tell us how you use
Speaker 2: crystals daily just for your own spiritual practice and enjoyment.
Speaker 4: So, being that I'm in the shop most of the time,
Speaker 4: I'm surrounded by crystals all of the time. So surprisingly
Speaker 4: to probably most people, is I don't wear a ton
Speaker 4: because I'm constantly in the energy of a ton. Literally,
Speaker 4: I am a heart centered, which meaning that I teach
Speaker 4: and stress the importance of having an open heart. I
Speaker 4: think that is critical to being a human being. I
Speaker 4: also think it's critical in your channeling and developing your
Speaker 4: psychic and intuitive abilities. If your heart is not open,
Speaker 4: you cannot receive message and integrate it and understand it.
Speaker 4: So that literally is the most important chakra. And because
Speaker 4: of that, I wear a lot of heartstones. So I
Speaker 4: always have on emerald, I always have on pink tourmaline,
Speaker 4: and I always have on green tormaline. So those are
Speaker 4: the ones that I wear all the time. They're literally
Speaker 4: on my necklaces, on my heart to remind me to
Speaker 4: keep my heart open and receiving and understanding that just
Speaker 4: because I feel something does not mean it is of
Speaker 4: me or for me. It just might be through me,
Speaker 4: and to just stay grounded and also being of service
Speaker 4: to other people. So that's how I work with them.
Speaker 4: I also place tons of crystals in my home. I
Speaker 4: have in my i'm an areas, a lot of roast cords,
Speaker 4: floorite in my bedroom I have but I just brought
Speaker 4: up something in my bedroom. When I bring up there,
Speaker 4: oh beautiful amethyst cluster from Africa, from Nigeria. It's Nigerian amathus.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful. So I put these crystal strategically in my house.
Speaker 4: I have a son with high functioning autism and he
Speaker 4: actually has his bed gritted.
Speaker 1: Would choose for that.
Speaker 4: I use magnetite as well as ambligonite to help him
Speaker 4: with right brain left brain integration is under his bed,
Speaker 4: under his mattres, so I do that too.
Speaker 2: I love that. I remember the first time one of
Speaker 2: my kids saw magnetite and they called it the brainstone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it looks like that brains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Do you do chakra layout?
Speaker 4: I do not really so much on myself because I
Speaker 4: feel like lately I'm like wanting a top speed and
Speaker 4: I never have any time. But I do teach laying
Speaker 4: on stones in a crystal healing class here through the shop,
Speaker 4: so I'm able to do that to teach my students
Speaker 4: how to do it so that way they can help
Speaker 4: themselves and help their families. And the style in which
Speaker 4: I work is a lot in the tradition of Cindy Dale,
Speaker 4: as well as Melody and Katrina Raphael.
Speaker 2: Oh. I love Katrina's books and of course Melody.
Speaker 1: My gosh, the og.
Speaker 2: Right, the oggs, the o dogs, that's so free. Were
Speaker 2: you raised with the religion?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, yes and no, so my mother is agnostic.
Speaker 4: I would suppose she was raised Roman Catholic, but she's
Speaker 4: not like a churchgoer. She hasn't been a churchgoer her
Speaker 4: entire adult life. My but because I come from an
Speaker 4: Italian American family, Catholicism is very important, and so I
Speaker 4: did go to like religious instruction up until about third grade.
Speaker 4: And then so I made my communion and then I stopped.
Speaker 4: And then once I had my daughter, who is now
Speaker 4: almost twenty years old, I sort of was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: there's God, Like God exists. Like the minute I looked
Speaker 4: at her, it was like, oh, my gosh, there's God.
Speaker 4: Like where was I What was I doing? There's like
Speaker 4: a whole level of spirituality that I was not paying
Speaker 4: attention to, like just the minute I looked at her face.
Speaker 4: And because I guess you go back to like what's
Speaker 4: comfortable with, I wound up going through the Right of
Speaker 4: Christian Initiation for adults and wound up making my confirmation
Speaker 4: when she was about three, which is very strange, but
Speaker 4: it was an unbelievable experience because I learned so much.
Speaker 4: You learn so much going through this process as an
Speaker 4: adult that you do not learn as a kid. So
Speaker 4: I would say that much of my spiritual practice is
Speaker 4: actually rooted in Italian American folk practice and and saint work,
Speaker 4: which is obviously died up in Catholicism. But I do
Speaker 4: not go to church. Does I don't know if that
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 6: It doesn't, that makes prefix sense, yes, but you consider
Speaker 6: what you kept calling yourself a witch or I was
Speaker 6: just wondering that's part of like how that, because that's
Speaker 6: a question I get as a Catholic all the time,
Speaker 6: is how.
Speaker 1: Do you do what you do and call yourself a Catholic.
Speaker 4: So the funny joke is I always say to my kids,
Speaker 4: because my kids are both baptized, neither of which have
Speaker 4: made their no, I do want to made our communion
Speaker 4: and my son didn't because he just he would probably
Speaker 4: drive the catechist crazy. I would not do that to
Speaker 4: the catechist. But so according to the Catholic Church, I
Speaker 4: am Catholic. Like when they count how many billions of
Speaker 4: Catholics are in the world, I'm in that book. My
Speaker 4: kids are in that book. Whether you go to church
Speaker 4: or not, you're in the book. Like that's the roles
Speaker 4: in which they're counting Catholics is the baptismal role. Period.
Speaker 4: So how I consider myself a Catholic and consider myself
Speaker 4: a witch simultaneously. I mean there's two answers that I
Speaker 4: could have there, and this would be one would be
Speaker 4: very snarky and probably offense people. And that would be
Speaker 4: there's a lot of there's a lot of priests that
Speaker 4: I have done some very not so good things and they
Speaker 4: could still consider themselves Catholic.
Speaker 2: No, say, it ain't so deep that what are you
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But I think that's not offensive. I think that's just truth.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, certainly it's true. You know, I said
Speaker 4: it in the most politically correct way that I could
Speaker 4: say it. I think that there isn't I mean, aside
Speaker 4: from you know, Orthodox Christianity, which probably has this beat
Speaker 4: on the witchy sides of practice. They're way more mystical
Speaker 4: than we are, those Orthodox Catholics. But the Catholic faith
Speaker 4: is filled with mystery and ritual. That is it's craft.
Speaker 4: It is it is it's craft. So I mean, my
Speaker 4: question would like, how can you not be sort of
Speaker 4: like a mystical and be Catholic?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I totally agree, But I get that question at least
Speaker 2: once a month, and it's not about The people aren't like,
Speaker 2: how can you do it? Just they're curious, you know.
Speaker 4: What They're wonder though, Samantha. If the people that are
Speaker 4: asking you are not Catholic, maybe there's some other Christianity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I think it's because I talk on the
Speaker 2: show about how much crystals and reiki and all of
Speaker 2: this stuff means to me.
Speaker 4: I do yoga five days a.
Speaker 2: Week, and if you read the Catechism, Uh yeah, that's
Speaker 2: all I know. No, they say you cannot do yoga,
Speaker 2: and I literally, I'm not kidding. I went to my
Speaker 2: priest and I said, what do you guys have against
Speaker 2: down dog?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He did explain it.
Speaker 4: Okay. This is the thing I think that when we're
Speaker 4: talking about from the lens of being spiritual and into
Speaker 4: the mystical and the metaphysical, a lot of us follow
Speaker 4: what would be considered earlier teachings of Jesus Christ as
Speaker 4: well as a lot of gnostic teachings, and as the
Speaker 4: early Church progressed starting in the three hundreds, right when
Speaker 4: the Bible was starting to sort of come together, teachings
Speaker 4: were passed down that were not of Jesus Christ. Now
Speaker 4: we can get into a fight with evangelical Christians that
Speaker 4: are going to say it's heretical because it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's the divine word of God or whatever. You know, Okay,
Speaker 4: passed down through many voices of different people that wrote
Speaker 4: the book that were oftentimes contradictory. But that's sort of
Speaker 4: like doing things to the latter of what's in a
Speaker 4: contradictory book or then further in the rules of a
Speaker 4: religion that was created by human beings is of no
Speaker 4: interest in me.
Speaker 2: I agree, And I always tell people do your homework.
Speaker 2: Look at Saint Jerome and his motivation behind his early
Speaker 2: translations of the Bible, and look at King James and
Speaker 2: the huge issue he had with Catholicism and how he
Speaker 2: changed the translations of the Bible. So you got to
Speaker 2: do your homework, all right. One last question, I don't
Speaker 2: want to take up all your time. Yes, something I
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about a lot. We had Jeffrey Wand's
Speaker 2: on the show last year. I think a great, great medium,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking about how so many of our
Speaker 2: country's best intuitives are from Long Island. Long Island, Baby
Speaker 2: John Edward, James von Prague, the Long Eyed Teresa Caputo,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Wand's Matt Rager. I could go on and on,
Speaker 2: and I just I'd love to know your opinion on
Speaker 2: why that is. I actually did ask Jeffrey that you
Speaker 2: know what he said. He said it was the water,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 4: Was gonna say, it's the water. It's no, it's the water.
Speaker 4: It's living so close to sea level. Water is a channel.
Speaker 4: Whatter is a channel. Whatter Carrie's spirit. Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, But I'm just wondering if it
Speaker 2: couldn't be a combination because something else they all have
Speaker 2: in common is they were raised Catholic, and you were
Speaker 2: saying the mystical stuff and the fact that we were
Speaker 2: raised to be open to intercessory help from saints.
Speaker 1: From angels.
Speaker 2: It's more similar to mediumship and intuition and all of that,
Speaker 2: and I wonder if it could be all of that together.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe I think it absolutely could be, because it
Speaker 4: is true. I really do rely on saints and intercessory help,
Speaker 4: as you say, very much. And it's very interesting because
Speaker 4: because when I'm channeling, I don't consider myself a medium,
Speaker 4: but I do use an aura photography machine to read ours,
Speaker 4: and when I'm in somebody's aura. Things come through and
Speaker 4: I'm saying things and they're like, oh that was I'll
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I have this song in my head.
Speaker 4: I'll start singing it and I'll be like, that was
Speaker 4: my grandmother's favorite song. I'm like, Okay, thank you. Like
Speaker 4: it just comes through. So maybe it's just what it is.
Speaker 4: I also think for me spending time in Catholic churches
Speaker 4: around the world, not just in America, but traveling and
Speaker 4: going to France, going to just different churches, Spain, you know,
Speaker 4: you name it, there's an energetic frequency in the churches.
Speaker 4: Now every Catholic church has a relic of a saint
Speaker 4: in the aldar, every single Catholic church in the world.
Speaker 4: On top of that, every single day, multiple Catholic masses
Speaker 4: are said in each church that are said in exactly
Speaker 4: the same way around the world, because because the church
Speaker 4: is universal and the masses are said at the same
Speaker 4: everybody's reading the same thing. And there's huge power and
Speaker 4: frequency in that. And so when you enter a church,
Speaker 4: it's just charge Like I could feel it, and I
Speaker 4: could feel the difference between walking into a Catholic church
Speaker 4: and walking into another church. I get like my Spidey
Speaker 4: senses go up in a Catholic church, So you might
Speaker 4: be onto something. It might be, you know, Catholicism breed psychics.
Speaker 4: I mean it might be. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I also think the European churches, so many of them
Speaker 2: were built over pagan sites. Oh yeah, I think that
Speaker 2: combination is super cool and absolutely wonderful. I love going
Speaker 2: to different churches and temples and synagogues. I will never
Speaker 2: forget something a friend said to me though she was
Speaker 2: I loved her. We love each other still. But she's
Speaker 2: not a big fan of Catholicism.
Speaker 4: And that's fine.
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm not a fan of a lot
Speaker 1: of the stuff.
Speaker 2: That you had mentioned before either about Catholi.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: But she asked me to come to a church with her,
Speaker 2: and it was so strange to see. First of all,
Speaker 2: it was like stadium seating with like cupholders, and there
Speaker 2: was not a rock band, and there were no stained
Speaker 2: glass windows, and the minister was super cool and.
Speaker 4: It was just really different.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: It was just different. And there was only one cross
Speaker 2: just across, no right, not a crucif act, not a
Speaker 2: crucivitch just across. There was no, marry no, no, And
Speaker 2: I said, this is really cool.
Speaker 4: This is beautiful.
Speaker 2: I see why you love it. It was fun, it
Speaker 2: was entertaining, and so I said, but now you have
Speaker 2: to come to mind. So she comes to my church
Speaker 2: and she was not as complimentary, and she said, you
Speaker 2: Catholics leave Christ on the cross. We realize he's resurrected.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, okay, mysage received. So there's
Speaker 2: just differences there that I think are fine. But I
Speaker 2: love the continuity and the rest petition of it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would dare say counter to that person
Speaker 4: that we neither leave Christ on the cross nor don't
Speaker 4: consider him resurrected. I think the message of Catholic Mass
Speaker 4: is that Christ is within us and it is our
Speaker 4: responsibility to bring his message and act it in the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's also to make us feel guilty, right.
Speaker 4: Look with him. I mean, well, I put.
Speaker 2: Him on the cross hanging there.
Speaker 4: But you know, guilt is controlling. Yeah, there is that.
Speaker 2: Okay, before I let you go, will you pull a
Speaker 2: card for us?
Speaker 4: Oh? Sure, I will absolutely pull a card. The cards
Speaker 4: have been funny lately, you know, with the state of
Speaker 4: the world in a wall.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got to call him Padre p over
Speaker 2: that one lease.
Speaker 4: This morning, I went on a mission. I was a
Speaker 4: little bit late for coming into the shop because one
Speaker 4: of my antique sellers had some Si SATs that I
Speaker 4: had never You know, there's a lot of saints, and
Speaker 4: to find saint vintage chalkwaar saint statues of saints I
Speaker 4: don't have is very rare. And I got myself a
Speaker 4: Saint Gemma, which I was very excited to find, and
Speaker 4: Saint Charles.
Speaker 1: So wow.
Speaker 4: Saint Gemma was born in eighteen seventy eight. She died
Speaker 4: in nineteen oh three, so she was young when she died.
Speaker 4: And she's more quote unquote she's new. She is new,
Speaker 4: and she was from Italy, and she is the patron
Speaker 4: saint of students, pharmacists, those suffering from back pain, headaches,
Speaker 4: and migraines, and also purity of heart. And she's also
Speaker 4: invoked by paratroopers and parachutists.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I was very excited to see her.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: All right, what's her card? The call? Oh, oh gosh,
Speaker 4: this is very This is very interesting in the context
Speaker 4: of the Great of conversation because the card that I
Speaker 4: got is Bloodstone, the Hanged One, my version of the
Speaker 4: hanged Man. And this is very ironic symbiatha because blood
Speaker 4: I talk a lot about Bloodstone and Christ's consciousness and
Speaker 4: changing perspectives and how so much of Christ's teachings was
Speaker 4: looking at the state of the world differently, and how
Speaker 4: he was a disruptor by turning things up on its end,
Speaker 4: and that is very fitting for this conversation.
Speaker 2: It really is. And guys, on the card it is
Speaker 2: a spider hanging from a beautiful web that she has woven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's all like the green and the red there.
Speaker 2: It's really it is really on point because it isn't
Speaker 2: Bloodstone named because they thought it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the blood on the droplets of Christ Christ. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so in the book, what I wrote is oftentimes
Speaker 4: taking a minute and surrendering to the moment is the
Speaker 4: hardest thing to do. We have an idea of how
Speaker 4: we want situations to turn out and what our role is.
Speaker 4: But when the Hanged One appears, stop and wait, stop
Speaker 4: and weight isn't a bad thing. It's an invitation to
Speaker 4: deeply reflect on your current situation. That's the reason why
Speaker 4: we turn to Teruo in the first place. And realize
Speaker 4: the way you've been going on about of a situation
Speaker 4: or thinking about it needs to be well turned on
Speaker 4: its head. So much of life is being influenced by
Speaker 4: others to do a particular thing or behave in a
Speaker 4: certain way. The lesson of the hanged one is to
Speaker 4: stop and reflect and ask yourself if this is who
Speaker 4: you are and what you want for your journey forward
Speaker 4: Motion and progress is our default setting. In twenty first
Speaker 4: century Western culture, the hangdoe is telling you pause momentum
Speaker 4: and ask yourself if you truly are where your soul
Speaker 4: as longing to be. It absorbs the energy of Christ's consciousness,
Speaker 4: connecting you to something bigger than yourself, similar to how
Speaker 4: the small spite is connected to the larger web. Jesus
Speaker 4: Christ was disturbed by the injustices of his time, flipping
Speaker 4: tables upside down, teaching his disciples to believe and behave
Speaker 4: in ways that directly contradicted society at the time. This
Speaker 4: change of perspective and the willingness to forge a path
Speaker 4: that conflicts with those around you require courage, strength and adversity,
Speaker 4: and clarity. Blood jun't supports it all while maintaining your
Speaker 4: trust and your faith in your spiritual path.
Speaker 1: I love that, and you're right.
Speaker 2: These cards are very much like, here's what you need
Speaker 2: right now, and that's I think the attitude we all
Speaker 2: need to get through all the funky energy with the
Speaker 2: eclipses and all the planetary movement going.
Speaker 4: On, and yeah, it's a new time and the energies
Speaker 4: are new and we're all feeling it, and we're all
Speaker 4: being asked to maybe stop being so reactionary and pause
Speaker 4: before we decide how we're going to move.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, oh this has been so delightful.
Speaker 4: I hope you come back on time. I will talk
Speaker 4: about crystals and trow any day of the week.
Speaker 2: Okay, fantastic, So everybody. The deck is called Crystal Keys
Speaker 2: UAU by Dina Rosenberg and Amalia Drusen. Of course we'll
Speaker 2: post all of that on social media, but Dina tell
Speaker 2: people where they can find you and if you have
Speaker 2: any upcoming events or stuff you want people to know about.
Speaker 4: Of course, so you could find me at Amityville Apothecary,
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Speaker 4: of our social media it is Amityville Apothecary. We also
Speaker 4: have a podcast called Apothecary after Dark, which is available
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Speaker 4: but we do have room rates, so feel free to
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 2: I love it, and thank you for helping to pick
Speaker 2: out my Phenis site. By the way, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Mike showed you the picture of me.
Speaker 4: We're in my drug money fanny pack and the booth. Yeah,
Speaker 4: did that was it?
Speaker 2: That? Was it a Tucson or the age den Denver?
Speaker 4: Okay? He had asked me for and I had like
Speaker 4: little pieces and then I just happened to see my
Speaker 4: vendor Paul, and I was like, you have this, and
Speaker 4: so I wound up texting. I was like, look what
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 2: I love it so much. Thank you, thank you, thank
Speaker 2: you well. Thank you everyone for listening, and we hope
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