WEBVTT 1 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:19.920 Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. 2 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:23.440 I am thrilled to introduce you all to a brand 3 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:26.559 new guest to Psychic Teachers. Deb is not with me 4 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.280 this week, but we will be back together very soon, 5 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:30.760 I promise you. 6 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:31.519 So. 7 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:35.640 Joining us on the show today is Dina Rosenberg. She's 8 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.600 a master crystal healer, REKI practitioner, to Roe reader, and 9 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:44.920 sound healer who owns Amineville Apothecary in New York. After 10 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.520 an intense life shakeup, Dina returned to her roots, her 11 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:52.119 first crystal being a black onyx cuff gifted by her 12 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.759 grandmother when she was twelve, and then she dove headfirst 13 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.439 into the witchy and woo woo realms that have since 14 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.159 shaped her path. Dina also co hosts The Apothecary after 15 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:06.840 Dark podcast, which explores magic metaphysics in modern witchcraft with 16 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.159 warmth and wit. And she's just created a fantastic deck 17 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.680 that we're going to dive into today called Crystal Keys 18 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:19.120 to Row. So let's dive into our interview. Welcome to 19 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:22.719 the show, Data. I'm so excited to officially meet you 20 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.519 and introduce you to our listeners and talk about. 21 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.680 Your fabulous new deck. My gosh, thank you so much 22 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:31.480 for having me. It's so great to be here. And 23 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:35.760 I can talk about crystals and all things metaphysical spiritual 24 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:38.159 like all day, so this is awesome me too. 25 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:41.560 I could talk about crystals forever, so I cannot wait 26 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.599 to dive into your deck and crystals. But first, let's 27 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:48.359 just ground listeners in who you are and your origination 28 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.239 story and tell people how you got into all of this. 29 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.439 Yeah, so okay, firstly, I guess one of the most 30 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:59.439 important things is I co own a metaphysical shop in Amityville, 31 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:03.879 which is on Long Island in New York called Amityville Apothecary, 32 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.120 and we've had this physical brick and mortar shop for 33 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:11.039 seven and a half years now. So prior to opening 34 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:16.360 the shop, I was just coming back into the spiritual 35 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.520 metaphysical world because I had gone through a life trauma. Right, 36 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.319 A lot of people wind up either finding spirituality through 37 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:28.680 trauma or coming back to it through trauma, and so 38 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:32.039 what had happened is I was working for the local 39 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:37.400 village government, which is ironically right behind the shop, Amityville Pothecary, 40 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:41.680 and I really loved my job. I really loved helping 41 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:45.560 people and it really lit me up and it felt 42 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.919 like the first time I was really aligned in what 43 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.639 I was doing in my day to day life. And 44 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:53.840 then we had an election and we got a new 45 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.439 mayor and the minute he took office, he fired me. 46 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:03.879 And now plot twist. If any of you are astrologers 47 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.960 or know anything about astro cartography, what I know now 48 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.439 that I didn't know then is that I live under 49 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:16.719 my Uranian line, which is a very chaotic energy. And 50 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:19.000 the person who read my chart was like, have you 51 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:20.759 always lived here? And I'm like yes, She goes, well, 52 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.560 you're probably used to the chaos, and my life is 53 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:29.719 very chaotic, so that makes sense. So now I am 54 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.319 let go of the shop that was very meaningful to me. 55 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:37.599 I was able to help people, and I didn't want 56 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:42.319 to just go back into the grind doing the same old, 57 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:47.479 same old. And so thankfully I had an understanding husband, 58 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.360 which you know, not a lot of people have another 59 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:56.000 person living with them that has money that can say like, hey, yeah, 60 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:58.520 figure out what you want to do. We also have 61 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:03.080 some savings. Again lucky in that regard that I had 62 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.719 put away some money and I got a reiki certification, 63 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.759 I did a sound healing certification, and I wound up 64 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:17.920 seeing an advertisement on Facebook for a Connecting with Crystals 65 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.759 class at Crystals Connection, which is all the way upstate 66 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:25.319 New York in Wartzboro, like about three hours from where 67 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.040 I am on Long Island, and I'm like, I'm gonna 68 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.079 go to this. I'm just gonna go by myself. I'm 69 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:34.079 gonna go to this because crystals and well like witchy 70 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:36.959 things and metaphysical things you do, like collecting feathers and 71 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.560 collecting seashells, Like my whole house is filled with this stuff, right, 72 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.279 And so I'm just gonna do this. And I was 73 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:45.800 sort of newly reawakened, so I was getting tons of 74 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.639 signs and number of patterns. All the things were like 75 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.240 lighting up. So I go up there and I'm like, 76 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:53.759 I'm gonna sit in this class. It was like six 77 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.839 hours or something, and there was three or four other 78 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.040 people in this class and myself and then what ultimately 79 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:06.800 became my teacher, Laurel Rothki, was teaching and she's like, oh, everybody, 80 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.240 go around the room and introduce yourself. And everybody's like, 81 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:12.480 I'm a reiki master and I'm a bit and I 82 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:17.199 do angel channeling, and they get to me and I'm like, hi, Manyadna. 83 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:22.240 I like rocks, and that's how I started really learning 84 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.519 the metaphysical aspects. Like I had gotten my first crystals 85 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.439 when I was a very young girl in the eighties, 86 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.199 black onyx jarkoise from my grandmother, So that's how I 87 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.879 got back into it. And then literally, like the universe 88 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.560 does when you start following the bread crumbs, the universe 89 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.879 just started giving me more pieces of the puzzle. I 90 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.000 didn't know where I was going to end up, but 91 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.639 little did I know, the universe was like, actually, you're 92 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:50.519 going to do this now. 93 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:53.600 I love that. It all just kind of falls in. 94 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:55.000 I love too. 95 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:59.199 I'm so happy that your husband was supportive financially but 96 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.560 also emotionally, because that's a huge leap of faith. And 97 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.759 am I mistaken? Aren't you the only metaphysical store in 98 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:07.279 your town? 99 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.439 We're the only metaphysical shop in town at the time 100 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:14.160 when we opened seven and a half years ago. There 101 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:19.199 was one maybe a thirty five minute drive away to 102 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.720 the west that's still in business that has been around 103 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.680 for a long time, and there was one about a 104 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:28.519 fifteen minute drive to the east, and that was really it. 105 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:32.759 In the immediate sphere of where we were, so we 106 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:37.079 have taken a huge leap of faith, and my husband 107 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:42.000 is very he's very spiritual, but we're also like really 108 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:43.720 tu in into each other. It's like one of those 109 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.079 things where like I'll say something and he'll be like, 110 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.199 you're not gonna believe this, but I was just thinking that. 111 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:51.920 Or I call him and he's like, I was just 112 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.439 dialing your number. Like that. Stuff happens to U's NonStop. 113 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:59.079 So we're very on the same wavelength, like most of 114 00:06:59.120 --> 00:06:59.519 the time. 115 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.720 That's fantastic, And you've had so much success, which is 116 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:08.600 really really great, wonderful to see. Has there been any pushback? 117 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.399 We were talking before we hit We're talking about how 118 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:13.879 hard it can be to be in this field with 119 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:16.839 the judgment and the you're working for the devil commentary. 120 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.040 Okay, So the story goes that this is a very 121 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:25.480 quaint little village and the people here like to keep 122 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:29.240 it the same way it's always been. And there's a 123 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:32.399 village Christmas tree lighting that it's the first Saturday in 124 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.240 December and it's been going on forever and ever and 125 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:40.360 infrenam and they close the street down. Santa and Missus 126 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:45.199 Claus come on the fire truck and they do pictures 127 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.360 with Santa, they light the big Tree. It's the big production. 128 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.040 And so the thing about the village of Amityville, and 129 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.279 it's sort of like an inside joke. They say that 130 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:58.399 Amityville is a drinking town with a boating problem, because 131 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:00.759 the people here really do like to drink. And so 132 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:04.480 what was happening would be parents would come up here 133 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.360 with their kids on foot, and they'd be, you know, 134 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:12.079 imbibing in cocktails and getting maybe a little bit away 135 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.759 from themselves. I'm trying to be politically correct, and the 136 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.480 kids were sort of running rampant around and were coming 137 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.199 into the store without their parents and touching stuff and 138 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:25.040 being a little naughty, like Saint Nicholas would not approve. Okay, 139 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.800 they would definitely be on the naughty list. So one 140 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:31.079 year I got annoyed and I said, that's it, I'm 141 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:36.960 buying a crampus costume. So this past holiday season, even 142 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.679 though this was the third year we had crampets in 143 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:44.200 the store, for whatever reason, it got a be in 144 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:49.639 somebody's bonnet about how we were witches. And I'm like, 145 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:52.919 that's really funny because I do consider my fuffl witch. 146 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:55.320 So like, tell me you've never been in here without 147 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.080 telling me you've never been in here, like ha ha. 148 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:01.200 But you know it was on the news. It was 149 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.120 on the news, it was in the paper, like the 150 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.279 local comedian came here about it. It was such a 151 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.759 production and it was a mountain out of a bowhill. 152 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:13.879 And it was so weird because I work closely with 153 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:17.200 the local Catholic parish. We do donations for them. I 154 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:20.679 give them like fifty easter baskets every year for the kids. 155 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:23.559 So it wasn't from those people. It's like from this 156 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.879 like other strange community. But you know what they say, 157 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:30.000 Robert Green forty eight, lots of power, I guess go. 158 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:35.519 Publicity is bad. Publicity, Yeah, isn't that. But it was weird. 159 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.360 It was weird, and people do still have their judgments 160 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:43.080 and like, listen, you know how it is. The listeners 161 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.559 know how it is. Not everybody's gonna believe what you're 162 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:49.879 doing is quote unquote of the light or quote unquote 163 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:53.440 holy or what or you're talking to devils or nobody 164 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.000 knows or this or that there's nothing you could do 165 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:57.759 about it, and like, don't take the bait and don't 166 00:09:57.759 --> 00:09:58.480 listen to the noise. 167 00:09:58.600 --> 00:09:59.440 You can't exactly. 168 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.200 Well, we dev and I always joke the last book 169 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:05.360 of the Book of Revelations, one of the last lines says, 170 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.120 and they shall all be sent to hell, those soothsayers, 171 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:10.600 the prostitutes. 172 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:10.639 And the dogs. 173 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:12.919 And we're like, well, at least our dogs will be 174 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:13.759 with us, you know. 175 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.200 Well, my gosh, yeah, please. If my dog isn't going 176 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:19.879 to heaven, then I guess I have no other choice, 177 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:23.639 because yeah, exactly, not separating me from my poppies. It's 178 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:25.600 not happening, all right. 179 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.879 So tell us how your lifelong love of rocks, as 180 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.960 you said in your Crystal class, got started for you. 181 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:36.600 So, okay, my mom had me when she was pretty young, 182 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:39.600 so my grandparents really did a lot of the watching 183 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.320 of me. And I was the first grandchild by like 184 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.200 thirteen years, and it was always in my grandparents. And 185 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.440 my grandparents had a like summer home, a little cottage 186 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:52.759 if they would runt in the Poconos, which in the 187 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.679 eighties was a very popular place to go, and there 188 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.200 was a flea market where there was a Nata of 189 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:04.279 American silver seller. So you know, you see these things now, 190 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.320 they're antique and they're very expensive. Although I can't believe 191 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.399 that anything from my youth would be considered an antique. 192 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:15.080 But it is silver cops with turquoise or onyx. And 193 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.840 at the time they were very inexpensive, like fifteen dollars. 194 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.320 Now they'd be like in the hundreds. And my grandmother 195 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:23.759 would buy these things for me and I would love 196 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.639 to get all different materials, so she bought me a 197 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.960 black onyx, so that was one of my first ones. Turquoise, 198 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:36.200 which is typical of indigenous crafts, and mother of pearl, 199 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:38.600 which is the inside of a seashell, which is something 200 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:42.759 else that's very typical in indigenous workings. And that's how 201 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.759 I started. I loved them and I always just wanted 202 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:48.799 to have them on me. And I really also loved 203 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.159 nature because, like I said, I didn't have cousins really 204 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:55.360 and I was with my grandparents and so I would 205 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:57.480 just be in the woods, like running around and making 206 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:02.039 up games and like befriend the docs and the hawks. 207 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.200 And that's literally how I grew up and how I 208 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.039 started loving crystals and all things nature. 209 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:12.919 I call it my gateway drug, yes, you know, but 210 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.759 for some people it's to row, or it might be ruins, 211 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:17.960 or it might be sound healing. For me, it was 212 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.000 definitely crystals, and I think it's just a beautiful way 213 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.360 to embark on this journey. So you've been reading Touro 214 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.240 for a long time, right, Yeah? 215 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:29.720 I got my first deck in nineteen ninety five. I 216 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:30.519 was in college. 217 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:31.960 Yeah. 218 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:35.240 Wow, all right, I'll post some photos of your deck 219 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.159 and the individual cards on our social media pages so 220 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:40.879 people can see what we're talking about. 221 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:42.919 But you have taken the seventy. 222 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:48.639 Eight Tourou cards and created them with crystals. I think 223 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:49.960 it's absolutely fabulous. 224 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:51.039 I love the artwork. 225 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.759 I really love your descriptions of the crystals and how 226 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.840 they connect to the Tourou cards. I also especially love 227 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:03.759 the crystals that you've chosen because they're super unique. Wolf Nite, 228 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:05.840 like you and I have heard of that, but a 229 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.240 lot of people haven't, and so yeah, to be introducing 230 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.919 people to so many beautiful crystals that aren't super popular 231 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.960 as Yeah, But I have to be honest, I would 232 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:24.080 be nervous to combine my love of crystals with Toureau 233 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.919 because you straight from the weight writer and people are like, whoa, whoa, 234 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.840 WHOA hold on there, tell us how that whole project 235 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:32.600 came to being. 236 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:39.320 So it started literally in the shower. I do most 237 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.799 of my best channeling there and I was just in 238 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:47.159 the shower and it came to me that moldoite and 239 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.559 the tower are the same energy. And it was right 240 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:52.440 around the time when mold of I it was really 241 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.759 popping off on TikTok because I've been born. This is 242 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:58.440 this tower deck. It's like four years in the making 243 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.399 at this point as of today right now, it took 244 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:04.600 like four years to get to hear. And I was like, oh, 245 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:08.840 that's like really an interesting concept. And it was more 246 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:11.960 so for myself because, like I said, I got my 247 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.799 first tower deck in nineteen ninety five, and I'd never 248 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:20.240 really considered myself like a great reader. So I was like, 249 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:25.399 this is really frustrating. But like crystals, crystal energies, usages, 250 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:27.480 people like, how do you know all this stuff? But 251 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.679 I just for whatever reason, like you said, it's your 252 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:32.320 gateway drug, it's the same with me. They d they stick, 253 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.080 they just stick it. So I thought that was like 254 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:38.440 a really interesting concept, mold of bite and the tower 255 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.799 and then again the universe doing what the universe does 256 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:46.559 about the bred crumbs. The universe sent an illustrator into 257 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.320 my store, and the illustrator was like, Hi, I'm Amalia. 258 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.320 I'm an illustrator. I do this. I do packaging. I 259 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.759 do that. She had done coloring on a tower deck 260 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:00.639 or traditional Ridersmith Waite deck, and so we talk about it. 261 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.879 Gave me your card and I reached out to her 262 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:05.879 and I was like, listen, I'd like to meet with you. 263 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:07.320 I have a project that i've been like sort of 264 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.519 like knocking around in my head. I'd like to talk 265 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:10.679 to you about it to see if you might be 266 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:15.519 interested in a collaboration. At that point, the cards that 267 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:21.320 came through to me were the Devil, the Tower, the Empress, 268 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:24.480 and the High Priestess. Those are the four and I 269 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.759 was like, yeah, I think like they were starting to 270 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.320 really break through quite quickly. I explained it to Amalia 271 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.279 am Ias like, I'm totally down with it. I explained 272 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.759 to her the imageries that I had for each of 273 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:41.440 the chords, and it was from that conversation that we 274 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.559 really were able to develop what would become the style 275 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.039 of the deck, which is rooted in the writer Smith wait, 276 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.639 but also very unique in and of itself. So you're 277 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:57.000 going to see some of the symbols, there's going to 278 00:15:57.080 --> 00:16:00.639 be some really big deportures, like the Devil and some 279 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.279 other like the Devil is a departure. The World is 280 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:05.480 sort of a departure. 281 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.159 A full world card with the Rose is that the 282 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:09.720 Rose chords form in the sory. 283 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:13.120 Yeah, ye, yeah, I love that. And Judgment is a 284 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.960 gigantic deporture because that card is you know, I already 285 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:20.039 has their card in Turo. That's like, I don't really 286 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:21.840 care for you, and for me it's judgment. 287 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.240 I think it's great to depart from some things as well, 288 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:27.120 because you have to put your own mark and your 289 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:29.600 own imprint on it. And when I look at the 290 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.440 Devil card in your deck, it's a hand holding up 291 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:37.519 black obsidian, and I think that's perfect because we are 292 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.320 our own worst enemy when it comes to fears and 293 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:43.679 worries and anxiety and blockages, and all of that is 294 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:44.879 portrayed in the card. 295 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:49.879 Yes, so much of my writing and my channeling is 296 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.840 rooted in the teachings of Rachel Pollock. And then I 297 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.200 really love also Carolin Elliott wrote that book Existential Kink, 298 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:00.840 which is like rooted in young and psychology. I love 299 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.879 her work and so you're gonna see a lot of 300 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:08.759 those threads where a lot of it's self reflection driven, 301 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:12.319 and that's really the style of reader I am. In 302 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:16.519 the style of metaphysical or spiritual practitioner, I am. People 303 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:21.119 come to the shop and say, I am this annoying homeworker, 304 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:24.119 and what crystal do I get to stop her from 305 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.599 being annoying. I'm like, there is no crystal stop anybody 306 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.480 from doing anything. You can work with crystal so you 307 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:33.400 can maintain your own energy and not get so triggered 308 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:34.759 and not be so annoyed. 309 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:36.000 That's so funny. 310 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:39.200 That's one of our most popular podcast episodes we did 311 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:43.279 is called There's Not a Rock for That. You know, 312 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:46.599 it just didn't remind people that these crystals can work 313 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:49.839 with our energy and they can't help us align our chakras, 314 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:52.079 but we have to actually do the steps. 315 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:53.000 Well. 316 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.359 I love crystals because they're just like reminders. If you 317 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.920 have an annoying neighbor and I want to maybe do 318 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.759 hematite or black obsidian to deflect that energy. I do 319 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:06.039 think that crystal is working to help me deflect my energy, 320 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:09.079 but it's really working to remind me you've got to 321 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:09.960 set boundaries. 322 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:13.359 Yes, you have to set boundaries. 323 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:14.559 You need to. 324 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:21.880 Really be also cognizant of your part of the whole thing, 325 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.240 because like sometimes we are like a little like I 326 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:28.160 don't want to say like we're drama queens or whatever, 327 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:30.759 but like sometimes I sort of feel like, you know, 328 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.480 I love to gossip. I love a good gossip sash, 329 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:35.000 Like my mom will be like dirtle it or whatever. 330 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.720 But sometimes that is and I hate saying like lower 331 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:42.119 vibrational energy because like whatever, we're human being, like we 332 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:45.359 do silly stuff. But sometimes if you're in that energy, 333 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.559 just like own it. Like sometimes we are enjoying being 334 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:50.839 in the energy, and we got to own our stuff. 335 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.160 Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. 336 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:55.839 So now that this dick is out there. 337 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:58.720 Are you using it in your touro readings? In what 338 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.440 kind of effect response are you having with that? 339 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.880 Yeah? I've been using it since January. So I got 340 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:11.960 my demo, my early release copy in December and right 341 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.759 before Christmas, and I didn't open it until January first. 342 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:20.920 That must have been so hard. 343 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.640 I did, you know. I got it from the Polisher 344 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.640 from Wiser and it was Christmas time and it was 345 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:27.599 chaotic and I wanted to like, you know, I lived 346 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:29.519 my life on social media for the shop, and I 347 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:31.920 went to make sure that I had the backdrop and 348 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.920 the lighting and this and that, and then it was 349 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.799 Christmas time in my house was a mess. And then 350 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:39.559 I'm in a retail store during Christmas time, so I'm super, 351 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.680 super ridiculously busy. And then we wound up, me and 352 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:44.400 my family and my kids. We went end up going 353 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.920 to Puerto Rico on Christmas Day and staying through New 354 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:49.519 Year's and I just brought it to the beach with 355 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:51.400 me and I was in my bathing student like I'm 356 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:54.200 opening it on the beach in Puerto Rico on January first, 357 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:56.680 Like this is what we're doing. And if you go 358 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.440 to my Instagram, which is Dina L. Rosenberg and scroll 359 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.839 and scroll, we'll see it there. But I've been doing 360 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.519 a card pole of the day every single day on 361 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:09.000 social media since January first, to just introduce the deck 362 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:11.319 to everybody and get used to reading with it. And 363 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.920 it's very interesting to read from a deck that you 364 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:20.279 wrote and conceived. She is honest to a fault, like myself, 365 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:24.319 Like she's not aggressive, but she's definitely a New Yorker. 366 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:26.799 I'll give you that a little bit of New York 367 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:27.640 Anda Jake. You know. 368 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.359 I love that though, because that's what people want and 369 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.359 need when they are consulting any kind of deck. They 370 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.160 want truth and audestine, and that's what you're going to 371 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.799 get here. I'll be I should say, if I'm reading 372 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:45.119 for someone who's super new to tourou, I will pull 373 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.880 out the Angel Touro deck by Radley Valander. 374 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:50.400 I mean, that's a more gentle deck. It's much more 375 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:50.880 jent doal. 376 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:54.039 It's so gentle and easy, there's nothing scary there. But 377 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.680 if I'm ever doing a reading for myself or anyone 378 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.400 who's you know, familiar with all of this, I'm going 379 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:01.640 to go to additional Touro And now I have this 380 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.720 beautiful deck I could, which I absolutely love. 381 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.799 I think realty surprised with the way it reading. It's 382 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:09.599 pretty interesting well. 383 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:11.960 And the colors though, are so vivid too. 384 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.279 The colors. That was something that I was so happy 385 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:17.200 about when I opened up the deck for the first time, 386 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:21.440 was how beautiful a color is translated. It's not easy 387 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.559 to show sometimes certain crystals, and a boy, it did 388 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:28.640 an exceptional job. There's also a lot of photographs in 389 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.839 here that she's layering as well, so it really came 390 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:33.119 through beautifully. 391 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:36.119 Yeah, I love that, And thank you for calling the 392 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.839 original deck the wait Writer Smith deck, because I keep 393 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.759 forgetting to add Pamela's name to the deck, which is 394 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:45.279 such so important, you know, it's so important, and I'm 395 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.000 so glad she's finally getting her recognition. 396 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:48.440 Yea. 397 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.440 So it's nice that you're doing that and you're giving 398 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:55.640 your illustrator the recognition that she deserves. Was she able 399 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:57.559 to have a lot of input, like you said, you 400 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.720 channeled a lot of these would she sit with it 401 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.079