Speaker 1: We've gone back in time to the fifteen hundreds. We've
Speaker 1: played death row baseball games, We've gone through urban legends,
Speaker 1: and I've been your master of ceremonies the whole way.
Speaker 2: My name is.
Speaker 1: Jacko, and ladies and gentlemen, theys and them's it's all
Speaker 1: Hallo's Eve with wicked and grim.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, that that was something that somehow. How's it going, guys, Jacalie,
Speaker 2: you sound excited. We're happy you're here, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Pomp, No shit, Well, I mean it's a big day.
Speaker 4: This is the day.
Speaker 2: It's fucking Halloween.
Speaker 3: Is the day we've been counting down to.
Speaker 2: It's no longer the final countdown.
Speaker 4: Oh it's here. It's a little sad, it is, but.
Speaker 3: It's also really fricking exciting.
Speaker 2: But that means we get all the candy. We get
Speaker 2: all the relaxing and spectacular movies on TV, Boom the
Speaker 2: cool kids, hopefully without black eyes knocking on our front door.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, you're stoked.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty stoked.
Speaker 2: Speaking of candy, where is the candy?
Speaker 3: You know, we actually have an outstairs in preparation. I
Speaker 3: don't actually hope that we we're not going to like
Speaker 3: We kind of live in the middle of nowhere, so
Speaker 3: I'm kind of expecting and hoping that we don't get
Speaker 3: there's one child that I know of that's coming. I'm
Speaker 3: hoping there's none, because I'll probably be Pema pants.
Speaker 2: Well we're ready with little tiny liquor bottles too, for
Speaker 2: any adult friends who stopped by, most likely my parents.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're ready for that just in case.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's who it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Oh and also, you guys got to check out our
Speaker 2: Instagram because we carved a stay Wicked Jack o' lantern.
Speaker 3: Oh so cool.
Speaker 4: It's dope. I love it.
Speaker 3: Oh man, We've just had like the most fun this
Speaker 3: Halloween ever. Yeah, I just I'm really into it.
Speaker 2: We got super drunk and recorded ourselves doing a podcast
Speaker 2: for a.
Speaker 4: Patrons Yeah, and that's up. Now, that's up, so you.
Speaker 2: Can go watch that if you're an All Access patron.
Speaker 3: I actually need to watch it from start to finish,
Speaker 3: but it might be cringey for me to watch. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: You don't remember much from it, do you. I remember
Speaker 2: a bit a bit.
Speaker 4: That's good, I think you think.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the last day, which is super cool.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna just like dive right in.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. What do you got for us?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I'm actually curious to anyone guess because we kind
Speaker 3: of dropped some hints.
Speaker 2: But we did have someone on Instagram guests Actually.
Speaker 4: Oh did they they did?
Speaker 2: What do mean you didn't see it? I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: you saw it. You did. Hold on, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: go find it. Okay, see where it is, see who
Speaker 2: it was. I'm I'm ninety percent sure I slid it
Speaker 2: across the table and showed you.
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh yeah cool, oh me, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, me, yeah yeah yeah. Uh. I'm terrible. I
Speaker 3: just my memory is just going here.
Speaker 2: It's Zunga love.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do they say again?
Speaker 2: They said tomorrow's guests dot dot dot Amityville Horror.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're smart and it's good.
Speaker 2: And they also said high from the coast of BC
Speaker 2: in Powell River.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is so fun.
Speaker 2: So from British Columbian to British Columbian, you nailed it.
Speaker 2: You got it right. It's Amityville Horror.
Speaker 4: Boom.
Speaker 2: Nicole lay it on us.
Speaker 3: Okay, So it was November thirteenth, nineteen seventy four. I
Speaker 3: feel like this is like a newer case we're ones
Speaker 3: that we've been doing comparatively. Yeah, when Ronald Dfael Senior,
Speaker 3: age forty three, his wife Louise age forty two, and
Speaker 3: their children Dawn eighteen, also thirteen, Mark eleven, and John
Speaker 3: nine were all shot dead.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: This is the Amityville murders and the tales that would follow.
Speaker 2: This is such a fucked up case.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: It was actually like a little bit fucked up to
Speaker 3: research too, because there's like a lot out there, and
Speaker 3: then it kind of just is like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: am I gonna like do this justice? You know, like
Speaker 3: this there's like so much out there about this, Like
Speaker 3: you he's really famous.
Speaker 2: You could probably talk about this case for a days
Speaker 2: a week straight, like.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so obviously there's we can't cover everything because
Speaker 3: that would mean it was like an eight hour podcast maybe.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: The evening of November thirteenth, Ronald de Feo Junior, or
Speaker 3: Butch as people referred to him by, he entered a
Speaker 3: nearby Amneville bar, telling people his parents had been shot
Speaker 3: inside their home. Followed back to his house by several
Speaker 3: bar patrons. The police were eventually called to one one
Speaker 3: two Ocean Avenue, where the bodies of six d Fayo
Speaker 3: family members lay dead, Butch claiming the murders were a
Speaker 3: mob hit. This, however, was not a mob hit. As
Speaker 3: police began to gather evidence, but Butch's testimony was no
Speaker 3: longer making sense, and when they questioned him about it,
Speaker 3: he crumbled and confessed to committing the crimes himself, saying,
Speaker 3: once I started, I just couldn't stop. It went so fast,
Speaker 3: which is like, holy fuck, Like you just murdered your
Speaker 3: entire family, and that's what you have to say.
Speaker 2: No, kidd, I just you know, it's it's like fucking
Speaker 2: lace potato chips. You bet you can't just have one,
Speaker 2: you know, I killed one.
Speaker 3: That's just like mortifying to me, Like that's like your siblings.
Speaker 2: No kidding, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Why, Like for some reason, it seems like worse to
Speaker 3: me that it's the siblings, not that it's like I
Speaker 3: don't know, like they're little his little siblings, Like yeah,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Using a thirty five millimeter Marlin rifle in the early
Speaker 3: morning's early morning hours, twenty three year old butch murdered
Speaker 3: his entire family while they were in their beds.
Speaker 4: He entered his.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I need to correct myself because I helped you
Speaker 2: with that note on the gun. It's not thirty five milimeter.
Speaker 2: It's a thirty five caliber.
Speaker 3: Oh Caliberpologies, I know, mistake. Yeah, I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know my weapons like whatsoever. I'll be the first
Speaker 3: to admit that, and I'm okay with that actually, but
Speaker 3: it could be something I learned, I guess. So he
Speaker 3: entered his parents' bedroom first, shooting each of them twice.
Speaker 3: He then entered his brother's bedroom, shooting them each once
Speaker 3: in their beds, and the same in his sister's bedroom.
Speaker 3: All the murders took place within fifteen minutes. He then showered,
Speaker 3: dressed for work, and dumped his bloody clothing and the
Speaker 3: murder weapon in a storm drain on his way to
Speaker 3: work at the family car dealership at about six a m. God,
Speaker 3: I just for some reason, I'm like, the shower after
Speaker 3: you do something so horrific, it just gets me.
Speaker 2: I don't know the shower that gets me. It's the
Speaker 2: putting on clean clothes and acting like it never happened.
Speaker 3: That's what gets well, yeah, like he would be getting
Speaker 3: ready in that fucking house, and like all of his
Speaker 3: family is just like dead in their bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's messed.
Speaker 2: Up, and he's the one who pulled the trigger.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, I'm sorry. Hopefully we can get
Speaker 3: through this because it's just like so much Okay. So
Speaker 3: oddly enough, all six six victims were found face down
Speaker 3: in their beds, as though placed that way with no
Speaker 3: signs of struggle, and neighbors did not report hearing any
Speaker 3: gunshots being fired, even though the rifle Butch used had
Speaker 3: not been fitted with a silencer. Apparently, there was evidence
Speaker 3: found at the crime scene that the family also may
Speaker 3: have been drugged with the sedative, but no evidence of
Speaker 3: sedatives were found in the autopsy, So I feel like
Speaker 3: those are like a kind of some weird things that happened.
Speaker 2: Definitely. I mean, if there's no sedative in their system,
Speaker 2: then I mean you might not find it in one
Speaker 2: or two, but to not find it in any of
Speaker 2: the family most likely points to the fact that they
Speaker 2: were not sedated. So over the time span of fifteen minutes,
Speaker 2: they're all shot, and like, I don't know's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of weird shit there.
Speaker 3: I know, I feel like that's so weird. And then
Speaker 3: just the fact too, like they had neighbors and the
Speaker 3: neighbors and tear this. Yeah, no one heard it because
Speaker 3: that's because we've talked about this before. But that's not
Speaker 3: like that wasn't the gun that's super quiet, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty two is really a quite quiet one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's really small caliber, it's really small amount of
Speaker 2: gunpowder with it generally, and it's it doesn't make much
Speaker 2: of a noise. But this is this is essentially a
Speaker 2: hunting well, this is a hunting rifle. This is big
Speaker 2: enough to take down a deer.
Speaker 3: Holy, so it would make some noise. Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 3: but why like why would why would Butch do this?
Speaker 3: So there's a few stories, one being and this one
Speaker 3: was brought up in court by Butcher's lawyers, that he
Speaker 3: heard voices telling him his family was plotting against him
Speaker 3: and that he had to murder them out of self defense.
Speaker 3: Another one being that it wasn't all sunshine rainbows in
Speaker 3: the Dafeo household. I'm not going to go into a
Speaker 3: lot of detail with this, but in short, Butch didn't
Speaker 3: have the best relationship with his father, who could have
Speaker 3: who could be described as hot tempered with a short
Speaker 3: fuse and potentially abusive.
Speaker 2: Fuck that guy. Hate abusive people.
Speaker 3: I know, like, especially like parents, right like, So this
Speaker 3: causing Butch to grow in to somewhat troubled young adult,
Speaker 3: with reports of him becoming addicted to drugs and alcohol
Speaker 3: and at times lashing out sorry at his family.
Speaker 4: So was that intentional?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm drinking a nice coffee.
Speaker 3: It I was like, you're living your best life where
Speaker 3: they're drinking chocolate milk, but it's not chocolate milk.
Speaker 2: Looks like chocolate milk, Ben.
Speaker 4: Does a bit.
Speaker 3: And finally, there were other reports that he could have
Speaker 3: been after the insurance money, which is like always a
Speaker 3: motive for so many things that happen in this world,
Speaker 3: which is fucked up.
Speaker 2: Saying money is the root of all evil, right, so yeah,
Speaker 2: money rules the world.
Speaker 3: In court, which is insanity. Plea was not accepted, and
Speaker 3: he was convicted of second degree murder in November nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy five and sentenced to six sentences of twenty five
Speaker 3: years in life or to life in prison. So he
Speaker 3: was like in the tellydated did.
Speaker 2: So six twenty five years that's one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: years to life. Folk.
Speaker 3: So however, though he did die, and he died in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, which is interesting, so in March, and
Speaker 3: I don't remember even this coming up, like you think
Speaker 3: that this would have been like in the news, right,
Speaker 3: I know. Shit, So he died in March. So he
Speaker 3: died in custody in March twenty twenty one. I couldn't
Speaker 3: find out why. It didn't seem like it was released
Speaker 3: or anything. So I don't know if it was like
Speaker 3: old age he was shy of turning seventy.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it was COVID related it.
Speaker 3: Could have been, or like maybe he had like cancer
Speaker 3: or something, right, and who knows. Okay, so now we
Speaker 3: know what happened to Butch. But what happened to the
Speaker 3: beautiful large Dutch colonial house located at one one two
Speaker 3: Ocean Avenue that now had quite a looming history.
Speaker 2: On its own, I don't know to tell what happened?
Speaker 2: What did happen to it?
Speaker 3: Well, it laid vacant for just over a year until
Speaker 3: December eighteenth, nineteen seventy five, when a couple George and
Speaker 3: Kathy Lootsus LUTs I'm gonna say their name wrong. Lots
Speaker 3: lots lots.
Speaker 2: You're gonna say the last name. Lot's wrong, Lots lots
Speaker 2: you're gonna say it wrong.
Speaker 3: I want to say it wrong. Lots. Okay, So Kathy
Speaker 3: and George, with their three children and a dog very important,
Speaker 3: would take a chance on it. George and Kathy were
Speaker 3: just married earlier that year, so George was the children's stepdad.
Speaker 3: They purchased the house for eighty thousand, which was considered
Speaker 3: a bargain price. It sounded like it was a beautiful house,
Speaker 3: and from photos that I looked up, it also looked
Speaker 3: like an absolute beautiful house, Like I don't want to
Speaker 3: live there.
Speaker 2: It is a gorgeous place.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. Like I just think that I've never seen
Speaker 3: a house like it, to be honest.
Speaker 2: But also like you look at the house and you
Speaker 2: go inside, it looks like a house that someone's gonna
Speaker 2: get murdered in.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't look at it any of the photos
Speaker 3: of it inside.
Speaker 2: It's just it screams that old timey house that you
Speaker 2: that someone dies in.
Speaker 4: Jeez.
Speaker 3: So it had five bedrooms, was built in Dutch colonial style,
Speaker 3: like I had mentioned, had this distinctive gambrielle roof, a
Speaker 3: swimming pool and a boat house as it was located
Speaker 3: on a canal, and included in the sale of the
Speaker 3: house was an additional four hundred dollars. Oh sorry, I
Speaker 3: read that really wrong. Okay, So additionally four hundred dollars
Speaker 3: was included in the price, and it included all of
Speaker 3: the Dafayo's furniture, which I feel like, okay to live
Speaker 3: in like the house that people were murdered in, I
Speaker 3: can like get over that, but to be living in
Speaker 3: the house and with.
Speaker 2: All their shit, it's like with someone shot on this
Speaker 2: bed or this couch.
Speaker 3: Or oh my god, I hope it didn't include the
Speaker 3: freaking like beds.
Speaker 4: Well, that's too much.
Speaker 2: I would assume not the mattresses, but you never know.
Speaker 4: The frame frames.
Speaker 3: I don't think i'd be okay with like I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know. Would you be okay okay if you
Speaker 3: were literally like looking at a house and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: people got murdered in here, like literally like a whole
Speaker 3: family got murdered in here and they were murdered by
Speaker 3: like a family member, would you be like okay and
Speaker 3: like buy that house?
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 2: It depends on the house. It depends on the deal
Speaker 2: we're getting. But I don't know, but there's a high
Speaker 2: chance that i'd be like, fuck this shit, I'm out.
Speaker 4: It would be a.
Speaker 3: Pretty high chance of that. Okay, well this brings me
Speaker 3: to this. Actually this is good timing. They were informed
Speaker 3: during the inspection process of the home's history. I almost
Speaker 3: think you have to legally inform people of that, right
Speaker 3: we like if someone bringly got murdered, Like, I think
Speaker 3: you got to tell them. But they discussed it and
Speaker 3: they decided it wasn't an issue for them for their
Speaker 3: price point. The house was a steal of a deal.
Speaker 3: So I mean, like, okay, if say, if you're like,
Speaker 3: can only really with your price afford like a two
Speaker 3: bedroom kind of thing, but then this house comes available
Speaker 3: because it's so a good deal, Like that's a big.
Speaker 2: Difference of body front at that.
Speaker 3: Like I know, like I could see it. It has
Speaker 3: I could see it like.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, maybe people have been murdered in this, but
Speaker 2: like it's beautiful. It's beautiful. Maybe maybe we don't even
Speaker 2: live in it for long because we don't like the
Speaker 2: idea of that. But what if we buy it, Like
Speaker 2: do some like renovations, flip the ship, make a shit
Speaker 2: ton of money, and then go buy a nicer house
Speaker 2: before totally so put up with it for two years
Speaker 2: and then we move on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like fuck yeah. So Well, when a friend of
Speaker 3: Georgia's learned of the history of the house, they insisted
Speaker 3: they needed to have it blessed, which honestly totally fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would probably sage the shit out of that house.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck.
Speaker 3: I think if I bought it and just sage the
Speaker 3: shit out of the house, I'd be like more okay
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I would definitely be talking to all
Speaker 2: of our witchy friends and being like, who's got the
Speaker 2: most amount of stage and who wants to burn all
Speaker 2: of it in a house?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do this. Let's just like all of it
Speaker 3: like yeah, numerous times.
Speaker 4: I think ye.
Speaker 3: So George, I can't even say that name, was a
Speaker 3: non practicing mythologist Methodists Methodist, I don't know, and is
Speaker 3: that even and had no experience of what this would entail,
Speaker 3: where Kathy was a non practicing Catholic and explained the process.
Speaker 3: George knew a Catholic priest who agreed to carry out
Speaker 3: the house blessing. As he was at the house performing
Speaker 3: his blessing, George and Kathy were at the house unpacking
Speaker 3: their belongings. It's reported that at one point while performing
Speaker 3: his blessing, he heard a masculine voice demand that he
Speaker 3: get out.
Speaker 2: Fuck could you imagine?
Speaker 3: I think I would? I would just be yeah, like
Speaker 3: I just want I would. I kind of want to
Speaker 3: like experience something like that, but I just don't know
Speaker 3: how it handen.
Speaker 2: You want to experience that in a sense? Okay, you
Speaker 2: ready for it? Ready get out there?
Speaker 3: No, you get out Okay.
Speaker 2: Piece you do the podcast. I'm gonna gontairs.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that'd be the life. We also have apple Pie,
Speaker 3: which is pretty pretty awesome. Fuck yeah Okay. So he
Speaker 3: did not mention this to George and Kathy as he
Speaker 3: was leaving, which I was like, what the frig though?
Speaker 3: About a week later on December twenty fourth, which is
Speaker 3: a terrible day to announce something shitty?
Speaker 4: What day?
Speaker 2: Sorty? December twenty fourth? Yeah, Christmas Eve?
Speaker 3: Christmas Eve, like, wait till the twenty sixth.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas. Oh, by the way, here's some shit news. Yeah,
Speaker 2: enjoy your Christmas Day, like the fuck God, Merry Christmas
Speaker 2: to you, I know, like like they're gonna be able
Speaker 2: to enjoy their Christmas Day, right.
Speaker 3: The father called George and advised him to stay out
Speaker 3: of the second floor room where he had heard this
Speaker 3: mysterious voice.
Speaker 4: Also, maybe it was Santa Claus in the chimney.
Speaker 3: That said get out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, you're not supposed to see me, get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was there like a week earlier.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: Oh well, there goes that theory. Fuck, never mind.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was Santa, but that is something
Speaker 3: Santa could say, get out, well in a nice way.
Speaker 3: Maybe not this mean mascot.
Speaker 2: In a nice way.
Speaker 4: Get out, get out please, But it doesn't say please,
Speaker 4: just get out, get out?
Speaker 3: Would you Moon?
Speaker 2: Getting out all of a sudden you're in an English accent?
Speaker 3: Okay. So, Also, following the priest's visit to the house,
Speaker 3: he allegedly developed a high fever and blisters on his hands,
Speaker 3: similar to stigmata, which is the appearance oh sorry, which
Speaker 3: is the appearance of bodily wounds, scars, and pain in
Speaker 3: the locations corresponding to the crucifix crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: So I didn't know about that part.
Speaker 3: See that's like fucked up. Yeah, so like this sh
Speaker 3: like did something to this priest guy? No shit, Okay,
Speaker 3: so initially, where am I here? Initially, George and Kathy
Speaker 3: experience experienced nothing unusual in their home, but unfortunately that
Speaker 3: was short lived, and just twenty eight days after moving in,
Speaker 3: the Lutz family fled their house, claiming to have been
Speaker 3: terrorized by paranormal activity while living there.
Speaker 2: See that's one thing that you're never going to find
Speaker 2: me enduring. I will never be terrorized by paranorm activity.
Speaker 3: The first time it happened, you're.
Speaker 2: Out, Yeah, like fuck this piece the fuck out. Nope,
Speaker 2: but that's.
Speaker 4: Your hose, this shit not anymore.
Speaker 2: That's their house now. Also, if I fucking run the
Speaker 2: second I hear a fucking something get knocked off or
Speaker 2: a covered door slamming on its own, all I have
Speaker 2: to do is be all like now I'm selling the house.
Speaker 2: I have no knowledge of being terrorized by fucking ghosts.
Speaker 2: I heard there was a covered there's once it was
Speaker 2: just a breeze.
Speaker 3: Okay, more than one thing would have to happen for
Speaker 3: you to go to that extreme, because it just could
Speaker 3: be like something weird, right, I think at least like
Speaker 3: three things have.
Speaker 2: To happen, in my opinion, Yes, three things, because once
Speaker 2: shit happens twice, it's a coincidence. Three times is a pattern.
Speaker 3: So I think it has to be three, not just
Speaker 3: one year out.
Speaker 2: As soon as as soon as I have that, I
Speaker 2: know it's a pattern. I know it's a ghost. I'm
Speaker 2: fucking gone.
Speaker 3: As soon as you have it solidified, your your piece, Yes,
Speaker 3: where's Ben?
Speaker 2: I don't know, standing on the front lawn.
Speaker 3: Would you'd be taking me with you or you don't
Speaker 3: even care, You're just gone.
Speaker 2: I'm taking whatever is on my body. I'll be standing
Speaker 2: on the front line of my fucking underwear if I
Speaker 2: have to. I don't give a shit.
Speaker 3: I mean I could honestly see that happening.
Speaker 2: Though, me standing on the front lawn and my underwear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that happening. But I also just see,
Speaker 3: like how like lots of shit, bad shit happens in
Speaker 3: houses sometimes or not even like bad shit, but people
Speaker 3: just like passing away, right, Like I just think it's
Speaker 3: I can see house is being haunted easily.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what happened to George and Kathy so Well.
Speaker 3: George was said to wake up at three point fifteen
Speaker 3: basically every morning, not every but pretty much almost every morning,
Speaker 3: which is around the time that Butch carried out his murders,
Speaker 3: and also a time known as witching air and witching
Speaker 3: hour is a time of night that is associated with
Speaker 3: high paranormal activity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: See, like I almost like.
Speaker 3: So get nervous now if I wake up in the
Speaker 3: middle of night and I have to look at the
Speaker 3: fucking clock to see what time it is. If it's
Speaker 3: like in three, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, no, if it's three o'clock when I wake up
Speaker 2: in the morning, middle night or whatever. If I see
Speaker 2: it's three o'clock, immediately my eyes get shut. That's it.
Speaker 2: I just nope, I don't care. If I'm still wide awake,
Speaker 2: my eyes get closed.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Ah Okay. Also, the Lutz family claimed
Speaker 3: to have smelled strange odors, see green oozing slime or
Speaker 3: green slime oozing out of the walls and keyholes, and
Speaker 3: experience cold spots in certain areas of the house. I'm
Speaker 3: freaking freezing right now, So I'm like the cold spots whatever,
Speaker 3: that just happens. Some doors would begin opening and closing
Speaker 3: on their own. A knife was known to be knocked
Speaker 3: down in the kitchen onto the floor. George at one
Speaker 3: point entered her room and found it swarming with flies
Speaker 3: that would continue to torment the family. See that's disgusting,
Speaker 3: that is. And of course, their youngest Jody or sorry,
Speaker 3: their youngest child would suddenly make friends with imaginary friend
Speaker 3: named Jody, which I don't know kids have imaginary friends,
Speaker 3: but it's just like, that's a lot of things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, and we're not even done.
Speaker 2: I get suspicious as soon as a kid not has
Speaker 2: an imaginary friend, but as soon as the kid is
Speaker 2: interacting with an imaginary friend, because like, oh you have
Speaker 2: an imaginary friend, yeah, yeah, cool, Sure, as soon as
Speaker 2: there's something where it's like, oh yeah, my friend is
Speaker 2: over here playing with me.
Speaker 3: Fucking Nope, Okay, I don't know that would bother me yet,
Speaker 3: because it's just like their imagination. They're exploring things, and
Speaker 3: they're just like wanting a little friend with them all
Speaker 3: the time. I mean, but honestly, I could see being
Speaker 3: ghosts often, yeah, because kids are more susceptible to that too,
Speaker 3: right activity So okay, So the most messed up piece
Speaker 3: of all. As if this shit hasn't been bad enough yet,
Speaker 3: there are claims of a pig like creature with red
Speaker 3: eyes staring down at George and his son Daniel from
Speaker 3: a window.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Kate.
Speaker 3: That would only have to happen once. There would have
Speaker 3: to be no other two paranormal things happening. That happened.
Speaker 4: I'm out.
Speaker 2: See If I came home and I'm standing the driveway
Speaker 2: and I look up and I see a fucking pig
Speaker 2: like creature standing in the fucking windows staring down at me,
Speaker 2: my first thought would be, fuck, you picked up an
Speaker 2: animal on the road. What do we have for a pet? Now?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, like I've even ever done that.
Speaker 2: You've talked about it every time you see an animals.
Speaker 3: Because most of our animals have been purchased by you.
Speaker 3: It's my turn.
Speaker 4: I want to buy something, Yeah, but I purchased them
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 2: What's the difference.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, where are we here? Look at us? Go? Okay. Finally,
Speaker 3: George is said to have woken up to his wife
Speaker 3: Kathy Leffe, hating off their bed. Okay, now that is
Speaker 3: freaking terrifying. There's also been things I didn't even have
Speaker 3: it written down where like he would look at her
Speaker 3: and she would like just age kind of too while
Speaker 3: she was in bed, Like all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 3: laying next to your thirty year old wife, but then
Speaker 3: she looks like she's eighty years old.
Speaker 2: How do you put up with this sort of stuff like.
Speaker 3: For that for twenty eight days?
Speaker 2: Well it wasn't twenty isn't that long? Yeah, but how
Speaker 2: do you put up with it for more than a day?
Speaker 3: You see progresses usually, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but progressing from Okay, if you have green ooze
Speaker 2: leaking from your fucking walls, you're like, let's fucking see
Speaker 2: if it stops, and hope it's gone. In the morning,
Speaker 2: you see a pig like demon creature in your fucking window. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll just sleep this off too. Maybe it'll be gone tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Your wife is levitating besides you in aged fifty years.
Speaker 2: Maybe she just has a headache.
Speaker 3: Like what Yeah, that it is a lot because their sons,
Speaker 3: Daniel and Christopher apparently have had also events where they
Speaker 3: were levitating in their bed like they're your children, Like
Speaker 3: that's terrifying, kids.
Speaker 2: Stop levitating in your beds like.
Speaker 3: Fue in the morning. So eventually after twenty eight days
Speaker 3: of torment, the family had enough and fled the house.
Speaker 3: There you go, twenty eight days. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: like a strong family.
Speaker 2: No shit.
Speaker 3: Some research would go on to tell about the hell
Speaker 3: the house being built on ancient enclosure of the sick,
Speaker 3: mad and dying operated by the Shinneycock Indian Nation. However,
Speaker 3: no such history has ever been proven or discovered by
Speaker 3: historians and the shineycowk I hope I'm saying that right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so. Indian Nation apparently never even resided in
Speaker 3: the area, so I don't know. That was one little theory.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 2: Well, there's lots of stories that I've heard of being
Speaker 2: like buried on the or built burial ground stuff so.
Speaker 3: That it could be caused by that not even necessary
Speaker 3: like the murders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So the fact that it's actually been like
Speaker 2: debunked by historians is actually quite a big deal.
Speaker 3: There were some claims of hoof prints in the snow
Speaker 3: on January.
Speaker 2: First, Well, there's your pig creature.
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy six, which is most likely from that pig
Speaker 3: like creature that they claim they have seen, but it
Speaker 3: was rejected by research searchers Mike Moran and Peter Jordan,
Speaker 3: who investigate their investigation, revealed that there had actually been
Speaker 3: no snowfall that night.
Speaker 4: Oh snap, But I mean, like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't even take that because the amount of
Speaker 3: times where the Weather network is fucking wrong, that's true.
Speaker 3: I don't even like it's like I feel like it's
Speaker 3: one job that you can be wrong like so much
Speaker 3: and still keep your job.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think it's expected that you're going to
Speaker 2: be wrong.
Speaker 3: Oh well, especially here, Like it's lately, I'm doing a
Speaker 3: photo shoot. Nine times out of ten, I look at
Speaker 3: the weather, but then that the photo shoot is doing
Speaker 3: something completely different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's sunny today, there's three inches of snow
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 3: Maybe where they were at it said there was no snow,
Speaker 3: but then at this people's house there was snow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: So the neighbor though, So the neighbors of the LUTs
Speaker 3: has never reported anything unusual during the time that they
Speaker 3: were living there. So like neighbors not seeing anything, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2: Not even someone running out of the house screaming, standing
Speaker 2: in the front lawn in their underwear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't see anything weird. Apparently, George however, maintained
Speaker 3: that events written in the published book about their encounters
Speaker 3: were mostly true. In June nineteen seventy nine, George and
Speaker 3: Kathy took a polygraph test relating to their experience at
Speaker 3: the house. The polygraph tests were performed by two I
Speaker 3: don't know, Chris googas I think and Michael Rice, who
Speaker 3: at the time, though this is important, were reportedly among
Speaker 3: the top five polygraph experts in America. The results in
Speaker 3: their opinion that they indicate they were not lying.
Speaker 2: See that's some strong evidence. However, polygraphs are like not
Speaker 2: the most reliable source of material.
Speaker 3: But then for like the both of them to have
Speaker 3: comeback that they weren't lying and these people like actually
Speaker 3: being like the top of their job, Yeah, I feel
Speaker 3: like something might have come of that if they were
Speaker 3: like just full out lying, you know.
Speaker 2: That's true. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's a tough one' Do they even use those nowadays?
Speaker 2: I think they do, but I don't even know if they're.
Speaker 4: They like standing court, Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So now, clearly there are many people who question
Speaker 3: the Validista Valadi, I.
Speaker 4: Can't even talk v.
Speaker 3: Of the lots story and events surrounding the Ammineville House.
Speaker 3: A main theory of what really happened is that the
Speaker 3: lots Is were in financial trouble and brewed the whole
Speaker 3: story up for money to sell to the public.
Speaker 4: Then sons of bitches, you never know the lots Is.
Speaker 3: Former lawyer William Webber, who fell out with them over
Speaker 3: a money issue, came out in nineteen seventy nine claiming
Speaker 3: the three of them came up with the whole horror
Speaker 3: store over many bottles of wine. I mean, that's some
Speaker 3: shit you could actually come up with over a few bottles. One.
Speaker 2: I've come up with some dumber stuff, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. Okay, So there's son. Daniel, however, claims
Speaker 3: the house ruined his life and that he continues to
Speaker 3: have nightmares to this day, but he also claims it
Speaker 3: was George who invited the mysterious and dangerous forces into
Speaker 3: their lives due his to his fascination and obsession with
Speaker 3: the occult. The occult yet, so that's something that I
Speaker 3: thought was super interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even his son is just like it was real,
Speaker 2: But it was it's to blame to Joe.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the house.
Speaker 2: It was George Yeah, George, open those fucking doors. Kids.
Speaker 2: Don't play with fucking demons and shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put the Uigi boards away, saved your fucking house.
Speaker 2: Don't invite shit in.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do think that you can actually attract these things.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I really do think that. So these claims
Speaker 3: and events all peer all appeared in j and since
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven book The Aminebelle Whore The What Amityville?
Speaker 2: There you Go?
Speaker 3: I talked to I like mushed my words together sometimes.
Speaker 3: So this also inspired the nineteen seventy nine movie of
Speaker 3: the same title, which inspired many many more movies since then.
Speaker 3: The story and the house has become a cult classic
Speaker 3: among horror fans.
Speaker 4: It has, it really has.
Speaker 3: So. The Ameneville House, also known as one one two
Speaker 3: Ocean Avenue, still exists, but has undergone some renovations making
Speaker 3: it look quite a bit different and the house someone
Speaker 3: who was living in the house at one point. They
Speaker 3: actually change the house number to one oh eight Ocean
Speaker 3: Avenue in order to discourage sightseers from visiting. None of
Speaker 3: the new owners, and there has been a few, have
Speaker 3: reported any paranormal activity, but rather contending with horror movie
Speaker 3: than fanatics walking and driving by the house to get
Speaker 3: a glimpse of the famous at Amneville House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 3: I could drive so much, and honestly, I would even
Speaker 3: not want to drive by. I would feel bad, like
Speaker 3: now reading that, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I would definitely want to drive by. I'm
Speaker 2: not too I would drive by still knowing reading that,
Speaker 2: but I would not like super slow down. I'd be
Speaker 2: like O could drive by real quick. Shit, I didn't
Speaker 2: get a picture drive by again, Like, you know, I
Speaker 2: honestly think i'd.
Speaker 3: Like park a block or so away and then just
Speaker 3: like breaking like I was going through a FIRS stroll.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe then it's.
Speaker 3: Just like you're out in the neighborhood taking a walk.
Speaker 3: I mean they're gonna freaking now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but be casual about it, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Don't because they would even say people would like knock
Speaker 3: on their door like in all hours of night, Like
Speaker 3: that's being an asshole, no shit, Like people are living
Speaker 3: there now, like just leave them alone, go look.
Speaker 4: If you need to.
Speaker 2: But could you imagine living there in the Amityville House
Speaker 2: actually buying it in this day and age and being
Speaker 2: like this is the fucking Amityville house.
Speaker 3: I know it'd be really cool. I think it's like
Speaker 3: worth a lot more now, But then also I don't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to live there just because of the
Speaker 3: people driving by and shit, I would buy so much.
Speaker 2: Have you have I showed you the Amityville ghost photo.
Speaker 2: Did you come across it in your research?
Speaker 3: I didn't, actually.
Speaker 2: Really no, because it's like one of the most prolific
Speaker 2: ghost photos like out there to date for any sort
Speaker 2: of like ghost hunter paranormal activity stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was looking at the house, but that's
Speaker 3: it there. Oh my gosh. Okay, actually I have seen that.
Speaker 3: That is terrifying. A shit.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, look it up, the Amityville
Speaker 2: ghost photo. It's of maybe we'll post it on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I could even put it in the story
Speaker 3: if I don't.
Speaker 2: Post it on the need So a ghost hunter was
Speaker 2: in the house. It set a bunch of cameras and stuff,
Speaker 2: and supposedly there was no one in the house at
Speaker 2: the time this photo was taken, and there is a
Speaker 2: young boy peeking out of a bedroom and it's thought
Speaker 2: to be one of the kids that was shot in
Speaker 2: the original incident.
Speaker 4: When uh, the murders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when what's his name went through and killed his family.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because that little boy looks to be about
Speaker 3: like nine. Well because there was I'm just looking back here,
Speaker 3: there was Mark who was eleven, and John who was nine.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, I don't want to like take time
Speaker 2: to read through this and figure it out who they
Speaker 2: think it is. Yeah, I can't see who they think
Speaker 2: it is, but I'm sure you can find out and
Speaker 2: and find who they.
Speaker 4: Suspected to be.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, but it's a creepy ass fucking photo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so creepy. Yeah, it honestly looks like
Speaker 3: a real child to knuck in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which could be could be it could be
Speaker 2: could be a doctor image. It could be like, oh,
Speaker 2: totally capture this image and it's just like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: here's my son in the fucking photo or something.
Speaker 3: So anyway, that concludes Halloween week.
Speaker 2: That's that's Halloween week. It's done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's freaking not it's over. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 3: So basically I just wanted to say I hope everyone
Speaker 3: freaking enjoyed the shit.
Speaker 2: No kidding out of that. It was fun putting it together,
Speaker 2: but man, and just to.
Speaker 3: Give everyone like time to catch up on it. We
Speaker 3: aren't going to be having a podcast out on Tuesday, yeah,
Speaker 3: the second, but we will be back and we will
Speaker 3: have one on November ninth for y'all.
Speaker 4: Yes we will, so I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so get that for either, catch up on all
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Speaker 2: having trouble keeping up now, so take that extra week,
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so you guys, thank you so much, and
Speaker 2: we're going to pass things over to Jacko to close
Speaker 2: us out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it, Jacko.
Speaker 1: It is unfortunate, but all good things must come to
Speaker 1: an end, And as a sunrise on the dawn of
Speaker 1: the next day, so does the flame flicker infade within me. However,
Speaker 1: a flame can be reignited with but a single spark,
Speaker 1: so don't think you've heard the last of Jacko. Ladies, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: theyse and them's. It has been a pure honor these
Speaker 1: past seven days as we explored the world of all
Speaker 1: things wicked and grim. But I must bid you adieu.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed your time with us and you
Speaker 1: have a superb Halloween. Until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 1: stay wicked.