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the new hour for people who are just joining. The
New York Post reports on a new CIA review. Central
Intelligence Agency, under the leadership of John Radcliffe, did a
review of the tradecraft how the Intelligence Community Assessment the
ICA was developed. The ICA specifically about Trump Russia collusion
from back in twenty sixteen, and according to the review,
it said that on December sixth, twenty sixteen, six weeks
before his presidency ended, Barack Obama ordered the assessment, which
concluded that Russian President Vladimir Putin aspired to help Trump
win the election. Okay, However, the review that the CIA
has just published said that then CIA Director John Brennan,
FBI Director James Comy, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper,
were excessively involved in its drafting, rushed its completion in
a chaotic, atypical, and markedly unconventional process that raises questions
of a potential political motive. And we've been going over
all of the various details that are now in this report.
Now one of the things that that left unclear, and
we've got a call from Bain at the end of
the last hour asking this question about, you know, whether
Obama ordered it or it was like, was it his idea?
Was it the Intel chiefs that came to him and
asked for the i c A to be done? And
I just saw this. This is from Lee Smith, who
has written three books about all of this stuff, and
I've interviewed him in the past and you can follow
him on Twitter Lee Smith DC. He's also got a
locals page as well. His His newest book is called
Disappearing the President. And so he is now responding to
this this c I A review and he says useful
details but misses the crucial fact that I have reported
in three books. Obama ordered the ICA and by August
of twenty sixteen, so that would be six months or so,
or well yeah, about five months before ordering the ICA
that he knew in August the only intel tying Trump
to Russia was the Steele dossier. He says, That's the scandal,
not bad trade craft or stove piping the intel, et cetera,
et cetera. It is that Obama framed Trump. That's the scandal.
According to Lee Smith, there was only one meeting at
which the intelligence community analysts could coordinate before this thing
got published. This ICA got published. But the day before
the meeting, John Brennan sent a note to the CIA
workforce saying he had already met with James Clapper and
Jim and that quote, there is strong consensus among us
on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in
our recent presidential election. So we told his staffers, we already,
we already have an idea of what happened. So just like,
finish your report. The two senior leaders of the CIA
Mission Center responsible for Russia argued jointly against including the
line the judgment that Putin aspired to help Trump win.
They couldn't prove that they had no evidence of that.
In an email to Brennan on December thirtieth, they stated,
these two senior leaders that are responsible for the mission
center regarding Russia, so these are the experts. They sent
an email to Brennan saying the judgment should be removed
because it was both weekly supported and unnecessary given the
strengthen logic of the papers other findings on intent. They
warned that including it would open up a line of
very politicized inquiry. It remained. They kept it in because
that was the point. Ratcliffe points to the inclusion of
the Steele dossier as a sign that it was a
politically corrupted document. He says that the career professionals at
the CIA who did this review that's now been published
are quote, just appalled. He drew the comparison between the
bogus Ica and the cover up of the Hunter Biden
laptop by fifty one former Intel officials who falsely claimed
before the twenty twenty election that this was Russian disinformation.
He said, the comparison would be the Hunter Biden laptop.
It's the same people. In the Hunter Biden case, it's
we've got to lie to win the election, and in
this case with Trump, it was we failed to influence
the election, and after we failed, we're going to handicap
the president so we can win the next election by
polluting the Well, they were trying to ruin the presidency
after the fact, and they would have gotten away with
it too, Right, but for Hunter Biden on the laptop story.
But for him leaving that laptop in a shop someplace
in Delaware, right, we would not have known. All right,
let me go over and get Tim on. Hello, Tim,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, Good afternoon. How are you pretty good?
You know, I'm just tired of listening to this stuff
all the time and no results from Barack Obama all
the way to today. The other side are nothing but traders,
low lives, and liars and that's all they are. And
they're glad to tell you they are. And do we
have any judges that aren't cowards? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I believe so.
Speaker 2: Well, how can we don't hear from them judges? Yes?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean judges don't usually like what do you mean,
hear from them because they don't usually come out and
make pronouncements on things like they do.
Speaker 2: Unless they're a Democrat judge against my president, then you
hear from them every week.
Speaker 1: Well, are you talking about rulings?
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about it generally speaking, and like all
these judges under injunctions, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Those are rulings. So it's not like I mean, they're
not going out given speeches that would be right, right, so,
because then they would be removed from cases and stuff. So, right,
You've got a handful of these judges that are doing
these injunctions and then they got smacked down by the
Supreme Court. Although I now see somebody another judge, I
think it's actually a Republican appointment who just did another
one through the very loophole that sam Alito noted a
judge could exploit. And so a judge has already exploited
that pophols and now the Supreme Court's gonna have to
smack them, Uh, smack that down as well. I guess
you know what what what needs to happen now? Our
charges need to be brought. There need to be charges
brought against uh Coy, Jim Comey and John Brennan and
James Clapper.
Speaker 2: And Barack Obama and hideous Hillary and on and on
and on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can charge them with if you
can prove the wrongdoing, if you can prove that that
they've committed a crime, and the CIA seems like the
CIA review seems like there's a pretty good indication that
they can probably find a crime. So I think that
would be the next step.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're tired of waiting because that's.
Speaker 1: On the Obama or that's on the Trump administration to
do right, the dj would have to bring that Pam
BONDI would have to bring charges or cash Betel or somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, and I understand that. I just
I'm just making a point that this side, the Republican side,
is dragging their feet getting it done. They've done nothing,
I think because they don't want to do anything. When
when Hussein Obama was in office, when Joe Biden was
in office, they failed to want to do anything. When
they had they have the doors open, they should have
done stuff to fight back, but they didn't. And that's
that's all I'm saying. I just think that the other
side is far more enthusiastic about their points than we are.
We just are afraid.
Speaker 1: I don't that, Tim, I don't know. Like we've got
We've got the Trump big beautiful bill that's making its
way through Congress.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: All of the Republicans are falling in line for that.
I mean, we the Republicans control the House and the
Senate and the Presidency. You've got a six to three
majority on the Supreme Court. Like, I don't think. I
don't think Democrats are racking up tons of wins right now.
Well right, I'm just saying, maybe maybe look at the
glass as not completely empty. Maybe you know, it could
be it could be ha empty, and you know, maybe
someday you can view it as half full. But like
baby steps here, So I don't think it's an empty glass.
I think, you know, because the Democrats say the same thing.
Democrats say the exact same thing you just said. They
say the same thing about Republicans. They think the Republicans
are just you know, are just bulldozing over all of
them all the time, and they're all coded, the Republicans
are all coordinated. They always they lie about all this stuff.
And yeah, they say the same thing.
Speaker 2: Well, anybody with half a brain knows that they're lying.
Speaker 1: And look, they say the same thing. That's my point though,
they say the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: So you know, something from an old school okay, and
you may not like it. If I was in Congress,
would I kick the living snot out of a bunch
of those Democrats gone to jail and got right back
out and done it again.
Speaker 1: And do you think that would be you think, yeah,
you think that would be helpful.
Speaker 2: Oh I do for what? Well, back in the old days,
long as you know, they used to cane the crap
buy them when they didn't like each other.
Speaker 1: They happened once. Yea, that happened once.
Speaker 2: I think it would, you know, I think it would.
I think it'd help out because they don't have any
fear of anything, and they make Americans go around in
fear with all this craft in the streets, thinking pared
of being bulldozed. Its some pop problem.
Speaker 1: They say the same thing, and that's how they justified this.
That's how they justified this action and others against Donald Trump.
That's exactly the same thing they said. That's why I'm
urging you to to to change course on this line
of thinking, because when you start thinking like that, you
then begin to justify almost any kind of bad behavior
you wish to engage in. That's what the left has
done with their whole resistance. And he's literally Hitler and
fascism and democracy and all of that. When you give
yourself the permission structure to engage in bad acts because
you feel it's justified.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If everybody were to live by that, we would not
have a function in society. And the left has shown
us this is where it takes them, this is where
it took them and us. And I'm urging you and
everybody on the right as well as on the left,
to not view these things as you're viewing them, because
that's what you're I fear that's what you're going to
do for yourself is create yourself a permission structure like
you just did to say I'm going to go around
beating people up like that's not helpful. And I completely
disavow that approach, but I appreciate the call.
Speaker 2: Tim.
Speaker 1: I just would urge, you know, put down the black pills.
That's what it's called black pilling. It's basically like all
is lost and what's the point of anything anymore. You've
heard of red pill, the blue pill. You know, you
get red pilled and you wake up from the matrix.
But there's also black pilling where you become basically a nihilist.
And I am not in that camp. I do not
advocate going down that path. It is destruct all right.
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jump over to the phones again and talk with Matt. Hello, Matt,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, great show as usual. Man, Thank you. Listen, you
and I are close to the same age. You remember
that one episode to Leave It to Beaver where his
buddy came over like his best friend, and they spent
too much time together and then started fighting and ended
up not liking each other.
Speaker 1: I have to admit I may have seen like two
minutes of Leave It to Beaver in my entire life.
Speaker 3: It just, you know. And I'm not picking on Trump
because I voted for him twice and I don't disagree.
I'm not even talking about his policies. I think his
policies regardless of what I think of him, I think
he has America's best interests in mind.
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 3: But I saw this little bromance between him and Elon Musk.
I saw this going south the minute it started. Yeah,
there's no way that these two egotistical billionaires were going
to get along for any period of time. And my
wife's like, now they both agree on everything. You wait and.
Speaker 1: See now, And I'm with you. I thought the same thing.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and right like you saw it coming, even
though you didn't say it because you didn't have any proof.
I didn't either, but I said it to my wife.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think I said it on the air.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I said it on the air.
Speaker 2: I was like, i'd say it on the No, I
think I did.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't see these two guys being
able to get along for a long time, but we'll
take it while it's while it's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, now it's turning into a blank
throwing contest, you know what I mean, Like, like, these
guys are really going at it, and I don't know.
I think I think Musk could do some damage if
he really wanted to, if he wanted to start funding
let's say, bad characters to take all office, which I
think is what he's planning to do. I think he's
got you know, he's the richest man in the world.
I think he can actually achieve that.
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's say this. Let me say this that
and I have not covered all of the fighting between
Musk and Trump because it's to me, it's like I
don't really care. It doesn't matter to me. Okay, they
have their personalities and they're in conflict whatever. But to
your point that this could have larger implications is that,
first off, Elon Musk is brilliant, and he's obviously the
richest guy in the world, but that doesn't make him
brilliant at politics. In fact, from what I've seen with
his behavior, he's not particularly good at politics. Trump, on
the other hand, is good at politics, and I think
that's because.
Speaker 3: Well, you've got your personality the richest man in the
world and the most powerful man in the world, and
there's a distinction between those two.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, so can can Elon Musk fund campaigns and
try to primary a bunch of republiclkins, Yeah he could.
We'll see what happens. But that means he's going to
have to vet candidates and do all of that. And
like I just said, he's not particularly adept at playing
the political game. Now, that doesn't mean he can't learn.
I just I don't know if he has the interest
or desire to do that. But you know, we'll see,
you know, because I don't know, And I think that
these guys like Trump will forgive people that they get
into fights and then they make up. I mean, he's
got a bunch of them around him. I mean, he's
got Marco Rubio doing like seventeen jobs and they had
a really nasty fight, you know, during the primary in
twenty fifteen. So you know, Trump will welcome him back
into the good graces at some point. If Elon wants
to be back in the good graces and you know whatever,
we'll see what happens. So, but Matt, I appreciate the call.
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pete tweet. It's from Eric, who says Obama did not
need to direct the CIA to join his and his
party's campaign against Trump, just as he did not need
to explicitly direct Lowis Learner to hamstring the Tea party.
They're on the same side, which is why she was
allowed to retire with zero consequences. Yeah, Like, I talked
about this when the whole you know, IRS scandal erupted
and all of that. Yeah, Like Barack Obama made his
comments at a State of the Union speech in front
of the entire nation about the Citizens United case, and
it's like, there doesn't need to be a direct memo
saying this is what we're going to do, right, you
don't to spell it out. Everybody understands, you know what
the game plan needs to be. And in this case
regarding the Trump Russia collusion lie that they fabricated and
then they ran through this Intelligence community assessment process that
was compressed down to like two weeks. It was manipulated,
it was kept away from thirteen of the seventeen Intel
agencies for review or participation, and it was managed by
directly Jim Comey, James Clapper, and John Brennan. So like
I see people saying, oh, we already knew all of
this stuff. But yeah, but now like the CIA has
put out this review tracing the origins, there is no
longer any doubt. And now I want to see something
come of this. I want to see something come of this,
because otherwise why else would you do this review. Let
me get to some emails. This is from Bob who says,
I enjoy your show. You do a great job informing
your audience. Keep up the good work, and he also
really likes the Bump tunes. Okay, well, thank you, Bob.
I appreciate that. This is from Dennis, who says the
story about the finding of Obama comy Brennan Clapper twenty sixteen,
which hunt against Trump, just reconfirms the axiom that whatever
they accused Trump of doing was exactly what they were
guilty of the entire time. That is called the woke sorry,
the iron law of woke projection. They are guilty of
that which they accuse you, John says, seems to me
that there is enough traceability to bring legal action against many.
I wonder if anybody will ever pay for this though,
have a great vacation, Thank you, sir. Let me go
over and get to the WBT text line driven by
Liberty Buick GMC. This is from Joseph, who says, regarding
Tim's call from earlier in the hour, his frustration is understandable. Bannon,
Navarro and a few thousand protesters spend time in jail,
while the worst that's happened to any Russia hoaxer is
a half assed law license suspension. We want revenge and look,
and I get that. What I was trying to convey
to Tim was to get off of the course of nihilism,
the belief that values are baseless, nothing can be known
or communicated. According to you know, the philosophy, It's often
associated with extreme pessimism, a radical skepticism that condemns existence.
A true nihilist believes in nothing, has no loyalties. And
I'm not saying that, but like this is part of
that path. And you know, in Nietzsche, the philosopher wrote
about this and explored nihilism and its implications for civilization.
He predicted that nihilism's impact on the culture and the
values of the twentieth century has been pervasive. Apocalypse tenor
that spawns a mood of gloom, a good deal of anxiety,
anger and terror. So it's like it's just it's not
a healthy path for a society to to proceed down.
That's that's what I was just urging Tim about. I
understand the anger and frustration, absolutely completely agree, But but
you don't want to lose the civilization in the process. Right, Yes,
punishment and justice, but off the path of nihilism. Let
me go over to JR. Here, Hello, Jr. Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 4: Oh thanks, Yeah about Alon, isn't there? His beaf with
Trump is too much spending? Yes, okay, So why are
Republicans worried? I mean if he will go to Democrats,
I mean not likely, not likely, And he's getting and
he's getting mad at the Freedom Caucus like Ralph. Now
I know Ralph Norman, and I know he's not crazy
about this bill, but he's voting for it. He would
he is a budget hawk and wet let's see the guts.
He understands as I do that one day it's going
to come crashing down. And I think that's what Elon sees.
I mean, it's Elon's smart. We need a hundred more
Ralph Norman. We need a hundred more guys that are
budget hawks, not what we have now is like maybe fifty.
Speaker 1: And you have to also run it through a process
that allows you to make these cuts and do them permanently. Right,
that's the problem with the doing it the way they're
doing it through this you know the the I forget
what the process is called now, but they're they're running
it through this process that is not conducive to a
budget process. Right, They're not in regular order. They haven't
done a budget in like I don't even know how long,
fifty years or something. That's what they need to get
back to. And that's where you would actually codify the
cuts and the program changes and the and the dissolving
of entire departments and stuff like. That's what Congress needs
to do. And so I totally understand Elon's frustration with that.
He basically did a speed run through the entire Republican
conservative experience right where you're like, oh, yes, this is awesome,
and then it's like, oh my gosh, this is terrible,
and then it's like vote them all out right. It's
he just did it in a very compressed timeline. Most
of us took about, you know, a couple of years
to run through that.
Speaker 4: Ye guy, he'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 4: You know, I you know, I'm not worried about him
going and sending billions to support Democrats, is there. I mean,
they spend more than anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you JR. Thanks for the call, man,
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me read this tweet here real quick. This is from
Catherine Herridge from Fox News. The report from the CIA,
this review, and this is why it's like, I understand
there are people that they're downplaying it, They're minimizing this,
this report from the CIA that we've you know, been
I've been bringing in the details on it now, you know,
for the first hour and now into the second hour.
I was going to move on. But it's fine. So
the the there is a sentiment that we already knew
a lot of this stuff. People had, you know, journalists
had you know, had reported on some of this stuff
and wrote books about it. I mentioned Lee Smith and
he's written books about it, and other reporters are saying
the same thing, like, oh, I did all of this work,
and you know I reported on all of this before.
And part of that I think is, you know, hey,
I have a book. You can buy my book and
a little bit of is maybe ego, like I was
telling you all of this two years ago and nobody
you know, was listening to me or whatever. But I
look at it as this CIA report. I look at
it as confirmation, validation for the journalists that did this
work for so long and did not have you know, uh,
wide distribution of their product because of the scandalous nature
of the content. Right, So this is validation for them,
and I would encourage people to see it in that light.
And now you can actually cite the CIA report. And
there are people to this day, basically half of all
Democrats still believe the Trump Russia collusion hoax. They believe
that it's not a hoax. They believe it's true and
it's not and it never was. And the people at
the CIA that pushed this hoax knew it wasn't true
and developed a fake intelligence community assessment, this ICA that
they then used to convince Americans of something that was
not true. But here's the thing, And I played the
audio from Yuri Besmanov, the KGB defector from the seventies
and eighties. I played audio from HA the other day
about the demoralization psychological operation that the Soviets were running
the communists, the communists, the world Communist project runs on,
and it's this demoralization, and it's the point is to
demoralize a people so they will not even defend themselves
or their country, because what's it all for? Who cares? Everything? Stings?
We'd oppressors, you know whatever. It takes many different forms, right,
the issue is never the issue. The issue is always
the revolution. So I just I want people to maybe
look at things a little bit on the brighter side
of things. I can't believe I am saying that, but
it's true. It's it's difficult. Limboy used to talk about
this all the time, that it You know, the natural
default position for people or mentality is pessimism because it's
a in large parts, it's a survival technique. Right, If
you assume bad things are going to happen, you'll be
better prepared for them when they do. And that kind
of thinking can save your life sometimes. But you have
to choose to be more positive and so like this
in this example, it's yes, like I'm mad at the corruption,
I'm mad at these these intel chiefs, I'm mad at Obama.
I'm yes, I'm mad at the media that helped advance
this narrative. Absolutely, I want there to be punishment. But
the bright side of this report is that we have
the confirmation of the things that we believed to be
true based on, you know, the pieces of evidence that
we had collected and other journalists had collected and advanced.
Now it's like this is further confirmation that we weren't crazy,
that this actually was a conspiracy. Herriage reports on this
report that it concludes that in twenty sixteen, then CIA
Director John Brennan and others rushed the Russia election interference
intelligence assessment. Brennan dismissed high level warnings that the Clinton
campaign OPO research the Steele dossier did not meet intelligence
collection standards and risked credibility. Handling of the Steele dossier
was highly irregular and limit and of limited analytic rigor.
Media leaks reinforced the narrative with high confidence, the high
confidence narrative that Russia intervened to help Trump again. Half
a Democrats still believe this. Two senior leaders of the
CIA Mission Center responsible for Russia strongly opposed including the
Steele dossier, saying it did not meet even the most
basic tradecraft standards meaning collection methods, techniques, and operations, and
that John Brennan, the head of the CIA, formerly a
communist by the way, showed a preference for narrative consistency
over analytical soundness. Brennan ultimately formalized his position in writing
stating quote, my bottom line is that I believe that
the information warrants inclusion in the report. See this is
what happens. This is Trump derangement syndrome. But this is
what happens when you hyperboleze and catastrophize your political opponent
into the second coming of Hitler. You give yourself permission
to engage in all of this kind of activity because
you're saving democracy. All right, that'll do it for this episode.
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