WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:05.679 We're in wait. 2 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:19.519 This is your captain speaking. 3 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:21.120 If you look out to your left, you'll see a 4 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.120 beautiful view of the Grand Canyon. 5 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:26.799 Far the. 6 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:53.560 Work show. I write this, no, I can't have somebody 7 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:54.040 down to you. 8 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:57.719 I am I going. My only must phoned us? 9 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:08.719 Who sent that thing? Of course, now that amis didn't 10 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:09.719 come here by accident. 11 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.919 They were running from what then things turned back? 12 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:20.120 What's his name? 13 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:28.960 Then we have something he needs? 14 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:34.759 Longest said in the last school, every thing will and 15 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:45.759 maybe we disguise and then who? Why did you keep 16 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:46.479 people out? 17 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:53.120 Whats wrongs? 18 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.240 They come a long way? 19 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:55.639 It won be here. 20 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:01.759 It's like cool, this world can survive. You stay together. 21 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:22.199 But I need him. You're bad people. We're always There 22 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:27.360 comes a time in every man's life where do you 23 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:28.919 have to make a sacrifice. 24 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:42.599 I'm with you to the end. 25 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:44.159 Always. 26 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:46.879 Oh, this is all the money. 27 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:59.759 That we have. You keep Welcome me fight, I det my. 28 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.080 Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike White 29 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.319 on this special crossover event. I am joined by the 30 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:13.199 Culture Cast Christaschue we On. I am also joined by 31 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:19.639 Midnight Viewings Antonio Ye thanks for having me and Midnight 32 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:20.600 Viewings Father. 33 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:24.920 Alone this movie doesn't represent the lomb diminishing returns. It 34 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.040 represents awe of my increasing rage. 35 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:31.319 Well he's burying the lead right then and there, folks. 36 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.079 Yeah, cutting to the chase. Not even hello, just this 37 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:34.560 movie start. 38 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:36.879 This movie sucks, Folks. 39 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.399 Jesus you know who I am. We've all met. 40 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:42.800 Get ready to dive into the chaotic and thrilling world 41 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.839 of Venom the Last Dance. In this episode, we unravel 42 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:49.199 the wild journey of Eddie Brock and his iconic symbiote 43 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:53.240 as they face their toughest battles yet. From intense confrontations 44 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.959 to unexpected alliances. We'll explore the story's dark twists and 45 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.959 the shocking fate that awaits Join us as we die, 46 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.839 set the gripping narrative, mind blowing visuals, and unforgettable moments 47 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:07.639 that to find this epic chapter Fans, this one's got 48 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:09.560 all the bite. Don't miss it. 49 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.560 Okay, So where the fuck did that come from? Did 50 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.439 you have AI righte? That for you? 51 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.079 Chris? What did you think a Venom three aka Venom 52 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:20.120 the Last Dance? 53 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.720 I was disappointed that there wasn't enough Michael Jordan in 54 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.160 the movie. That's how Michael Jordan. Isn't that not what 55 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:26.600 this is? 56 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:26.879 Like? 57 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.399 The Last Dance references is that? Oh yeah, right, there 58 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.519 was that Michael Jordan documentary that came out like two 59 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:35.959 years ago. That wasn't Michael Jordan The Last Dance? 60 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:36.399 Now? 61 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:37.120 Oh yeah? 62 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:39.040 Well, I know what they're getting at with the title 63 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:40.360 of the movie. I thought it was it was a 64 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:43.959 pretty gay movie. Well really, I found this to be 65 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.480 a very oddly homosexual film in a way that the 66 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.439 other Venom movies, at least the second and third one were. 67 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.480 The first one not so much, but definitely the second one. 68 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:55.519 The first one was like, hey, we have to have 69 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.360 a love interest, and then this one's The last two 70 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.439 have been like the love interest is venom. That's the 71 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:02.439 that's the point, y'all. 72 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:05.480 Isn't the second one have a whole plot about them 73 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:07.240 breaking up? And yeah? I mean yeah? 74 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.600 And then this one is, you know, the the death 75 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.120 of the relationship, you know, the sacrifice of one for 76 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.680 the other. I think I probably enjoyed it more than 77 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.040 at least Father Malone, but he let the cat out 78 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:18.920 of the mag early. I don't know about y'all. I 79 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.720 thought it was fun. I actually enjoy these Venom movies 80 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.560 a fair amount. I think that Tom Hardy as Venom 81 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.439 is a weird choice that works. I think that there's 82 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:31.519 some cheats in this movie that are cheats, and I 83 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.319 think we were now seeing the multi versus cheats and 84 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:36.639 I'm sick and fucking tired of it, kind of like 85 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:40.600 Venom says in the movie, I'm thinking this multi versus shit. Yeah, 86 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.040 me too, dude. Other than that, I thought it was 87 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:47.000 a perfectly fine movie. It is a very weird comic 88 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.360 book movie for twenty twenty four. But I will say, 89 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:55.079 for as much as Marvel's stuff, Marvel's MCU stuff has 90 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:00.279 been very same me, which it has for quite some 91 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:04.600 time now, at least the Sony's stuff, the Sony Spider 92 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.040 Man stuff, as bad as most of it has been 93 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:12.360 Kauugh cough, Madam Web cough cough, Morbius, at least they're 94 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:17.120 kind of entertaining in a very strange way. And I'm 95 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.319 not saying they're good, They're just entertaining. And who the 96 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.399 fuck is making a comic book movie like this in 97 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:25.560 twenty twenty four, because these have sensibilities of those like 98 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.560 early two thousand Spider Man movies or early two thousand 99 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:32.480 superhero movies like those X Men movies and the Spider 100 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.439 Man movies and the Fantastic Four movies. I think it's 101 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.639 a weird movie. Again. I don't know what to make 102 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:41.079 of a movie where they have a dance number with venom. Again, 103 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.720 it's not for everybody. I think in a lot of ways, 104 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:51.120 it will be yet another weird entry into Sony's Spider Man, 105 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.519 whatever the hell they're doing without Spider Man. But I 106 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.120 thought it was fun within reason, and it's only an 107 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.240 hour and a half, which is nice compared to every 108 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:04.160 other MCU thing, which quoks in it two hours bare 109 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.519 minimum because why, I don't know. 110 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:08.399 And Antonio, how about yourself. 111 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:11.560 I felt like it was an eighties movie. I had 112 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.120 that kind of vibe too, and I think that's what 113 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.279 it was, kind of like an eighties, you know, buddy movie, 114 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:18.399 either on the road or YadA YadA YadA. Here's a 115 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:21.959 stupid musical number for no reason. Here's some here running 116 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.720 into the lady from the last movie, just randomly playing, 117 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.720 you know, playing a playing poker on one of the machines. 118 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:32.840 I just it was terrible. I ain't gonna lie. It's 119 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.879 not a great movie. I haven't liked any of them. 120 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:39.039 But if you separate yourself from it being then I 121 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.519 guess it's a pretty entertaining monster comedy, right, that's kind 122 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.480 of how it plays. But you know, I was nine, 123 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.080 ten eleven whenever when Venom dropped, right, I remember that 124 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:51.919 first issue that I had with him, and it was 125 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:53.600 I didn't get the first I didn't have that three 126 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.399 hundred number three hundred Spider Man, but I had one 127 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.799 or two afterwards. It's been kidnapped, Mary Jane and as 128 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:02.519 the first time I had seen pot Parland draws Spider Man, 129 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.639 and I was blown away. Like I had seen him 130 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.600 in other stuff at DC, but out and he was 131 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:11.320 this threat. He was his arch nemesis. He was this 132 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.879 evil kind of character. And even when they like Storm 133 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:17.440 shadowed him in the nineties there, like when you know 134 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.240 I turned him into a good guy out of nowhere, 135 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.159 he still had a redemption arc. You know he's okay. 136 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:24.960 So I was this awful guy and I'm trying to 137 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:29.399 do better now movie Venom, it just is. I guess 138 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:33.200 I don't think Spider Man three is all that great, 139 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.759 but I do like Telfer Graces about him. I liked 140 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.519 his evil Peter Parker. He was a jerk. There was 141 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.320 a reason for that hatred towards him. I mean obviously 142 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.080 that just the thing just dropping out of the sky 143 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.399 while Peter Parker's riding his boatbed is ridiculous. But it 144 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:49.679 looked cool. It looked like body Horror a little bit. 145 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.120 And this movie, say, they aren't very gross. It's very 146 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:54.159 kind of generic. CG. 147 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.440 I don't know what nell is. 148 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:59.559 They just said, okay, here's this force from another dimension? 149 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.080 Is was the crossover with Spider Man down and then 150 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.399 and finally you have the delight of having the guy 151 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.639 from ted Lasso in that movie and you use him 152 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:08.240 for three minutes. 153 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.840 So yeah, I don't know, there's a lot of ted 154 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.960 Lasso in this movie, to be fair. And do you 155 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:14.639 know Temples? 156 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:14.919 Also? 157 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:15.960 Yeah, you know Temples. 158 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:19.039 Yeah, that's what they were, just like, hey, ted Lasso's popular. 159 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.080 We'll just put like half of the main cast from 160 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:22.279 that show in this movie, all. 161 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.720 Right, not gonna lie. I did a day of background 162 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.399 on it, and I couldn't like and I did that 163 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:30.320 the scene where they show up in Vegas, I was there, 164 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:32.399 but I'm not in the movie at all. My buddy, 165 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:35.240 and of Pather Malone's Palo Match Chef Road as an 166 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.840 actor in town. You see him he walks behind in 167 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:41.720 a two shot there, he walks behind Tom Hardy and 168 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:45.200 Receie Fens. But I like Recens. I thought he was 169 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.720 gonna be the lizard. But I guess he wasn't the lizard. 170 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.679 He was just some rando Tom Hardy. But that's the thing. 171 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.000 But it's a prop. At the point that Chris brought up, 172 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.639 Tom Hardy is really good though, like he makes the 173 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.960 movie entertaining. Venom is a creature is entertaining. It's just 174 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.960 not the venom my girl up in a comic book with. 175 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:05.279 But Tom Hardy is just like weird Eddie's fun. Tom 176 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.000 Hardy reminds me of Nicholas Cage. And then anything that 177 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:11.039 they're gonna be in the performance is gonna be weird 178 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.200 enough that you're gonna at least be entertained by it. 179 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.480 And we go for ninety minutes. That's great. That's where 180 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:17.639 the eighties movie being came from. 181 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:18.600 To somebody father. 182 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.480 Alone, how about you, sir, I'm gonna just start with 183 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:25.840 what I liked about the movie. The xenophage, the creatures 184 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:29.360 that are hunting them when they eat somebody they like 185 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:32.080 arasoll the blood out of the back of their head. 186 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.320 That was awesome. I like seeing Elena Ubach and anything, 187 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.919 even as misguided as their character is here in the movie. 188 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.559 And I guess that's about it. No, Tom Hardy obviously, yes, 189 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:47.000 all those things, and the look of Venom himself. I 190 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.159 just kept wondering why this movie is called Venom because 191 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.399 we don't really get a lot of him. This is 192 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.120 the movie I was. I kept wondering why it wasn't 193 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.440 just Venom most of the time and Tom Hardy popping 194 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.360 out and every once in a while instead of the reverse. 195 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.639 There seems to be less and less of Venom in 196 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.919 these movies, rather unusual, and to hear the conceit is 197 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.879 that they can't even bond because that attracts the creatures, 198 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.480 so like they've given themselves this excuse not to fully venom. 199 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:14.960 I don't know if that's a budget constraint or whatever. 200 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.879 But like the thing where they have Venom's head talking 201 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:19.679 to him, I think is great, and I know they 202 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:23.600 started that in the previous one, but their friendship is fantastic. 203 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:28.600 But to Antonio's point, this ain't Venom. Man. I owned 204 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:30.840 an action figure of Venom that when you pushed a 205 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:31.639 button said. 206 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.000 I want to eat your breathe. 207 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:38.080 That's Venom. Also Null, by the way, part of the 208 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.679 retrofitting of Venom was Null is the creator of the 209 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.159 Symbiates and the Zenos. 210 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.879 Okay, that's like in the last ten years, which is 211 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:51.240 fucking wild that they introduce it here, because so much 212 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:53.480 of what they've done with Venom up unto this point 213 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:57.000 has just been nineties stuff. And then they're like, oh, 214 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.960 by the way, here is the King of the Symbiotes, 215 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:02.759 which is a thing that literally, I'm not even joking. 216 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:06.240 It was a thing that was in the last ten 217 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.559 years because it was the big they did a big 218 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:12.919 marvel for the entire universe. They did an entire event 219 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.360 and he it was like Planet Venom or something to 220 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.559 that effect, and he was the main villain in that. 221 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.799 But to your point, But to your point, all it 222 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.600 does is they owe now Venom's a good guy in everything. 223 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:29.080 Venom's a good guy. There's no villain Venom anymore in anything, 224 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.039 even in the comic books now because of this character, 225 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:33.840 and now they're doing it in the movies as well. 226 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:34.200 Well. 227 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.480 What they've done, I mean, yeah, he's started being a 228 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:37.600 villain in the nineties though. 229 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:40.840 I mean, yeah, that whole Lethal Protectors, Like I was, 230 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:44.159 Now all the Symbiotes are good guys, is my point. 231 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:47.399 It's not just Venom, it's now you're seeing the way 232 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.240 they've treated it in the comic book as the way 233 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.080 they're treating it in the movie, where all the symbiotes 234 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:57.279 are seemingly heroes and the villain is this overarching character. 235 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.919 So it's all, we just understand that the symbiotes ever, 236 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.480 but he loves the symbiotes. Of course we do. But 237 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:07.159 that's that oversaturation thing. They just wanted to have Captain 238 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.960 America's Venom and Iron Man is Venom and Hulk's Venom, 239 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:11.840 which happened in the comic book as well. 240 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.200 By the way, Dad Nogay, he just looks like a 241 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:19.320 Japanese video game cut scene, like like a Final Fantasy 242 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.559 game or something with that hair and traumatic pauses or 243 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:25.639 anything that is that supposed to crossover into Tom Holland's 244 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:27.480 MCU universe or No. 245 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.039 It's quite clear this entire movie is the setup for 246 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.279 a new trilogy of Symbiot movies. 247 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.200 With Juno Temple as the lead. 248 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:38.080 Absolutely that's all I was. The entire time. I was like, 249 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:40.480 this does not feel like the third film in a trilogy. 250 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:44.360 This feels like the prologue for a future adventures of 251 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:46.600 the Symbiots in the Sony universe. 252 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:50.039 Yeah, so what did you think, Bike, Well, apparently I 253 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:51.759 like this movie a lot more than y'all. 254 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.399 Did I enjoy, Mike, I don't know. I seem to 255 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:56.559 enjoy it quite a bit. I'm with you. 256 00:14:57.080 --> 00:14:59.399 I went back and rewatched the first two, which I've 257 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:03.200 seen some times, mostly the first one. I'm not huge 258 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.799 on Carnage. My background with Venom is. I mean, I 259 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.559 was there for the Secret Wars the first one, and 260 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:13.679 you know, the Black Suit and the Beyonder giving that 261 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.399 to him and all these things, and then Spider Man 262 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.200 waking up very tired in the morning, doesn't know what's 263 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.360 going on, and finding out that Symbio has life, you know, 264 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:27.120 goes to the Baxter Building, gets it removed. Eventually, you know, 265 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.879 Venom arrives. But I think I was kind of out 266 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.960 of comic books by the time even Carnage showed up. 267 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.039 So yeah, Venom was still a bad guy when I 268 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.679 was reading comics, and Carnage was the bad guy. Coming 269 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.639 out of all that. I really had hoped for more 270 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:48.759 when it came to that witty Harrelson movie, even though 271 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.840 that was absolutely ridiculous, especially that they changed his hair 272 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.120 between the first movie and the second movie with that 273 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.519 amazing Ronald MacDonald wig that he was wearing. 274 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.960 So I was my biggest disappointment that second movie. 275 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:01.919 It's going to be Carnage. 276 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.200 I'm just an average guy with a really big dick. 277 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.039 But Mike brings up an interesting point is that he 278 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.639 was out of a comics by time Carnage shut Up 279 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:14.679 and stuff. But that's when I was like a high 280 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.840 school kid or whatever, and that was a multi media event. 281 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:19.639 Yeah. 282 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:22.720 No, there was no movie, but there was a Carnage 283 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.000 Maximum Carnage video game. There was I mean there was 284 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:28.480 a Sega game and there was a coin op. It 285 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.879 ended up on the oh, we ended up on the cartoon. 286 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.759 It was like this big event, you know, it was 287 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.279 a huge thing. And I think you just see all 288 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.000 of this Vendom stuff and all these Sydians and Spider 289 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.399 Man's up there. There's no reference to Spider Man anywhere, 290 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.159 and it just it just takes away from a minute. 291 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.120 We'll tied for me, to like, I know four without 292 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:48.759 Spider Man. 293 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.399 Well, that was a really weird thing to have that 294 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.879 extra scene at the end of Venom two where Eddie 295 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:02.360 suddenly goes into the main mc YOU universe timeline and 296 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:07.519 sees j Jonah Jamison sees Tom Holland as Spider Man 297 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.519 on the TV, and it just it doesn't make sense 298 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:14.319 unless Eddie Brock is the same Eddie Brock as Toe 299 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.519 for Grace. It doesn't make sense for him to have 300 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:20.079 been transported to that universe because it's only for people 301 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:24.039 who know the identity of Spider Man, So him showing 302 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.799 up really doesn't make sense. Same thing with Electro I 303 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.839 mean to be it really should have been Vulture showing 304 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:30.920 up in that universe. 305 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.160 But remember when Vulture showed up at the end of Morvius. Yes, sure, 306 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.400 make any sense And that was Vulture from the MCU. 307 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:38.680 Yeah once again. 308 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:40.680 And he doesn't even know what the hell he's doing there. 309 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.400 But yeah, this whole thing, and then I love how 310 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:44.920 they just undo it within the first five minutes of 311 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:49.480 Venom three, Okay, and yeah to see who is it 312 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:51.960 Sammy No, I can't remember the name of the angel 313 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.359 the football this life guy Ni Rojas Yes, that was 314 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.720 so great to see him show up and I was 315 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.559 super excited. Yeah, but that was funny, and yeah, they 316 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.839 just they set up so many challenges for themselves as 317 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.400 far as we can't go back to San Francisco, we 318 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.920 can't go to New York. I kept thinking that they 319 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:12.039 were going to go finally end up in New York, 320 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:15.000 and yeah, this whole thing of we can't be venom 321 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.440 because these creatures will know that we're around, but we 322 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.599 show Yeah, we do become venom just in order to 323 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:24.880 kick the plot into gear. But I don't know, I 324 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.480 still like it. It's dumb as donkey dick, as the kids say, 325 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:32.599 but I really like these movies, and I even like 326 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.720 the Resa fans part. Even though Yeah, to your point, Antonio, 327 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:40.119 I thought that he was maybe gonna turn into lizard, 328 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.240 and then having chew Hotel Edgia four him here too, 329 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.880 I was like, oh, is he a secret wizard here? 330 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.359 It's weird how many people who have been in other 331 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.799 MCU things are in this movie. However, I will say 332 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.480 at this point it's a very short list of people 333 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:58.400 that haven't been in the MCU. 334 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.799 Like a thirty MCU movies, Like everyone's fucking been in 335 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.119 them by now, so of course they're gonna start crossing over. 336 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:07.240 And you know what, that's my point with Chaiwitel eisenfour. 337 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.160 He's playing Rex Strickland, who is like a major character 338 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:13.240 now or at least for a while with you know, 339 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.279 he has bonded with a symbia and and is like 340 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.160 an ass kicker, and they just sort of spoilers everybody. 341 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:20.839 They just fucking waste him. At the end of this movie, 342 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:22.920 I was like, why did they even call him Strickland? 343 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:24.440 Yeah? 344 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.119 Yeah, that was odd because even for me not being 345 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:29.799 part of the comics culture for the last few years, 346 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.000 I still knew the name. I was like, oh, major Strickland, Okay, 347 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:33.680 I know that guy. 348 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.119 Well, I guess I can I equate the actor crossover 349 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.599 to like reading John Byrne comics in the eighties when 350 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:42.519 I was a kid, Like where you know, he just 351 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:47.000 drew Superman and Mister Fantastic for everybody, So we can't 352 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.640 help Maybe that's just it, you know, they just look alike. 353 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.480 But I mean also again, literally at this point, to 354 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:56.359 your point, father Malone, there's like so many MCU movies 355 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.440 it's almost impossible to not have. But you know, the 356 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:05.160 problem is obviously now because they've opened up the multiverse box. 357 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:07.519 Now it's like, well, if Reciepens is in the movie, 358 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:09.720 he must be the lizard or what you know, what 359 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:12.440 y'ell edge you for, like he's fucking Mordoe. No, they're 360 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:16.599 just they're not They're just themselves. They're just new characters altogether. 361 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:21.880 Because initially Reciepens was supposed to was going to play 362 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:27.680 Kiln Clint, Clint Eastwood kilt. He was going and that 363 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:31.400 was the initial again rumor, but then it turns out 364 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:34.640 it's just Andy serkis once again doing the voice of 365 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:36.160 the character character. 366 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.079 He's the name of the planet is killed. 367 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:41.799 Yeah, yeah, no, so it's just Andy serkis once again 368 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.000 doing the voice of a CGI character, just like he 369 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.039 did in Star Wars. 370 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:48.319 It's the new Pianos. Everybody. Wait, they just once he 371 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.119 gets out, things are going to be really bad in 372 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.240 that Sony universe. 373 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:54.240 You know who could have been really bad is the 374 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:57.640 god killer from Thor in Love and Thunder talking about 375 00:20:57.640 --> 00:20:58.720 a wasted character. 376 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.160 Yeah, just coincidentally, Clint is his home planet. 377 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:05.400 Yeah yeah, Like he really reminds me of those two characters. 378 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.319 Remind me of each other. Maybe it was the black 379 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.960 and whiteness of it all or something, but I was like, Okay, yeah, 380 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:14.359 another one of these dudes. Okay, and yeah, no resolution 381 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:16.680 with him, and I was like, oh, yes, he going 382 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:19.359 to be well. I don't even know if we're going 383 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:21.359 to make more of these Sony films or if now 384 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.920 everything we'll find the revert over to Disney again. The 385 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.079 Deadpool that we watched was just that big love letter 386 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:34.319 to Fox's attempts. I was with the memories that Eddie 387 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:36.279 has at the end of this film of him and 388 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:39.079 Venom together. I was like, Okay, is this our last 389 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.839 hurrah for this character before they go over to the 390 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:42.920 Disney side of it? 391 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:46.319 And I think, you know, when folks talk about superhero fatigue, 392 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:50.799 I think a lot of that responsibility falls on on Sony, yes, 393 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.599 for trying to put out basically joining to capitalize a 394 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:57.799 regular Marvel universe by their with their crappy version, you know, 395 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:01.519 and other attempts they've done Bloodshot or whatever it is. 396 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.480 It's just you know, I mean, that has a lot 397 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:06.839 to do. I think it is Marvel's product up until recently, 398 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:10.440 has been pretty consistently good to eat and actually Marvel's 399 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:12.880 product now is about the same it was ten years ago. 400 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:16.480 It's just these are new characters, so there's more there's 401 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:18.839