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coming at you with the one, the only, my certified

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fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes. We are here to

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talk about the actual biggest threats to the Oklahoma City Thunder.

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It's been in the top, it's been. It's more topical

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now because of what the Spurs just recently did to them,

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and now we have the Yokis injury to factor it

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in a lot of interesting teams out west. We're gonna

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talk about some of the East teams too, and we're

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gonna break down a bunch of these teams and we

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will give our picks at the end.

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Speaker 2: So that's right, you have to stick around.

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Speaker 1: Do you know why you also have to stick around

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because I'm gonna go on my Draymond Green rant here

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how the NBA players who make tens of millions of

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dollars a year had to work on Christmas just like

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concessions stand workers at that arenas. I'm working on my

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birthday right now, Folks, to bring you this content.

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this video or just recommend us not just right now,

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but non stop for all of twenty twenty six as

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a well much deserved birthday present to me. But with

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all sincerity, this is our first podcast of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: We want to thank everyone.

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Speaker 1: For their support as always our siccos we love them

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around these parts a hard one knock, so appreciate every

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single one of you. Go join our discord if you

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want more sycoism and it's free to everybody. The link

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is in the podcast YouTube description. I will now ask

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the question that we want to know the answer to,

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even more so than who the biggest threat to the

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Oklahoma City Thunder is, Grant, just how the heck are

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you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great because I remembered your birthday. I wish

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you happy birthday.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 1: It was a big that's like a big milestone birthday,

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so I know, I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't know if you're going to reveal the your ear

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age's that's very brave of you. I did have the

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thought of waiting until nine oh one pm last night

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to be the first because I would have won right,

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I would have been the first official birthday well wisher.

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May if I might have had to do it right

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at nine because you're three hours ahead.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Didn't do it because I'm a good friend, not a

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great one.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And I like to I like to make sure that

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you don't get your hopes too high.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked that you not that you remembered. I

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guess I was shocked that you knew. I didn't anticipate

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that you knew. And then that was the first thing

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you said when we logged on. So you are, you

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know you are, You're a great friend.

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Speaker 3: I was ready. I was ready. I like to keep

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the friendship dynamics such that, like, all right, I remembered yours.

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You got ten months. You're gonna blow it, You're gonna

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are you gonna reciprocate? We'll see. I think you did

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give me a pretty early on birthday. Well wishing.

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Speaker 1: Here here's the problem, folks, before we get started. Grant

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is a fucking just safe and he threw away the key.

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He gives me lots of the things I have found

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out about Grant through not Grant himself, or just these

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major things that happened, and then I'll find out months later.

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And meanwhile, I'm here spewing my deepest, darkest thoughts. Before

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we get on air. I do have your birthday in

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my calendar as well, because I know that you will.

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Speaker 2: Never you never. I didn't even find out it was

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your birthday.

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Speaker 1: We had a mutual friend, Bill, who had texted me

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saying he forgot your birthday once that house like it

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was the day after. I was like, it was Grant's

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birthday yesterday. We had literally recorded a couple of days.

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What's going on this weekend? Nope?

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certain information. Yeah. Well again, it's about leverage. This this way,

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I can never lose the friendship battle because I will

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always know more about I can be more thoughtful. It

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puts you at a disadvantage. I'm just trying to win friendship,

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that's all. That's competitive.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm trying to win against the Oklahoma City Thunder.

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Speaker 3: Good say way one two, good luck. It's not gonna

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Speaker 2: Good luck.

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go through our actual teams, But we're all in agreement

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that I know. There's been a lot of stuff about

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the Spurs of late the Oklahoma City Thunder are the

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think they might look more vulnerable or that the Spurs were.

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whenby exists, We're gonna get to the Spurs, and I

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promised the analysis goes beyond that. But do you feel

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any worse about the Thunder overall? After watching those Spurs games,

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wins this year, so I feel about the seventy, I

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it's like not impossible. You actually can beat them and

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the Portland Trailblazers one time and get lucky or whoever

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is would be like speculative. It's like, well, we haven't

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of like what you need to do and like where

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the vulnerabilities might be. So that's a good thing. But

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the favorite. Like I, we're still talking about them as

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the how do you beat them team, not any of

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closer to where the thunder are than we thought. And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it reinforces the notion that one this season is

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not a foregone conclusion for me, and that's I love.

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Speaker 2: I just love the NBA. I love what we do.

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Speaker 1: It can be stressful and frustrating at points, but I

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love what we do and so I appreciate everything, the

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dynasties but also the parody. The idea though that we

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might just have this all time great team and then

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just want to reiterate down who's the first team that

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you would like to discuss uh.

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way for a couple of reasons. One, they haven't played

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the Thunder yet this year, so we don't have a

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ton of recent information. We don't know what the rebuilt,

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against Okay, see, however, we may not see that version

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of the Nuggets for a while, just because literally everybody

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except for Jamal Murray is hurt. Way vals goes down recently,

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Speaker 2: How and how is it Jamal?

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Speaker 1: How is Jamal Murray the last man of all people standings?

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I'm not wishing you, but we go from Jamal Murray's

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never in shape. He's the one who's always injured. At times,

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Speaker 3: Now Junior Loki was super durable, by the way, for

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Speaker 1: Man, I've already started getting messages from friends and like

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dms with people that we work with or both know, like, oh,

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was the Cam Johnson trade a mistake?

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Speaker 2: And I'm just not ready to travel down.

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Speaker 1: That because look, I think MPJ, the stuff he's doing

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more freedom and so I'm not ready to revisit that.

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Speaker 2: There's other flexibility that was opened up.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the Nuggets are they were always vulnerable because

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of the team that they lean on their starters the most.

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aligned share of their minutes more than any other team.

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Speaker 2: Rant?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we know who it is, and we

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discuss him because of his contract more than anything. I mean,

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has done right well right, but like he's been wildly disappointed.

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Speaker 1: Did you see I think it was enjoy basketball whatever, whatever,

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Kenny Beacham's associated with posted the meme. It's like just

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Nausey's picture and he's smiling. It says, accidentally became important

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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of players are gonna be accidentally important,

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like Spencer Jones two ways already already and now it's

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just like guess what you're gonna get eight to ten

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shots at night, have fun. So so again, the Nuggets,

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we don't know when they're gonna be whole again. I

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haven't looked ahead oft the schedule to see if, like

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Speaker 1: Just for their first game against the Thunder is February first,

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so that's right on the borderline. And then they play

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Speaker 3: If Jokic is not back for that second February game,

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I mean, where are the Nuggets in the standings? Won?

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backed by the and if he's not, then we're having

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like a whole different conversation. Yeah, but I think it

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when you're measuring the Nuggets versus the Thunder, Because if

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they don't want to face them into the conference finals, it's, well,

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we're better off finishing sixth than still trying to fight

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them as long as possible, just because of what it

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at least slightly encouraging. My first thought was, I don't

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know that it changes how I feel about the Nuggets

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at all as title contenders, because if they're sixth, even

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if they have to go through the play in. It's

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not ideal, but you're gonna have to go through the

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thunder anyway. You're either full strength or you're not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. The home court I

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think matters in some ways. It matters a ton, right

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because they went to seven last year in the playoffs

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and the Thunder had home court, and who knows, maybe

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that decided it. But it also doesn't matter at all

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because the Nuggets are not catching the Thunder right right,

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like record wise, that's out. So you're gonna be the

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lower seat anyway. So if you do have a conference

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finals meeting or one sooner, you're like, it's it doesn't Yeah,

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it's set. You're gonna be the road team, as Denver like, regardless,

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it might matter. The seating stuff and the slippage with

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with all these guys hurt might matter because maybe someone catches,

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you know, the punt, one of those punchers chance teams

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catches you around earlier. As from Denver's perspective, then you

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wanted to and you're out before you even see the thunder,

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like that's on the table, especially if like half those

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guys that are out, you know, aren't ramped back up

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or that seems like a long way off, but like

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maybe there's lingering something or you if it's a hamstring,

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maybe that leads to a groin or whatever like that.

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and two record during the last regular season between Denver

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and okase, like you have to take the Nuggets as

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seriously as anybody as threats to the Thunder. But it's

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just what version of the team are we talking about,

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by one hundred if if they're fully healthy. Theoretically, this

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Denver team is better than last year's team, which pushed

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the Thunder far right. So I think it's just it's

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speculative because we haven't seen them meet up this year.

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keeping make the case of the Thunder or all so improved.

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we did need to kind of put them aside because

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they haven't played yet this year.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think a lot of what would have

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held true in that Denver series still holds true now.

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but it felt like they found them solves for shake

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Gilgi Alexander to where if they would more liberally switched

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Jamal Murray onto him, and then you have Christian Brown

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kind of in like the foe zone or whatever. I

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do wonder now that Michael Porter Junior canto Ony the

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low man stuff, does that impact them at all? But

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you still have positional size if you want to control

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the glass. I think you can point to and say offensively,

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Aaron Gordon was just the best three point shooter alive in.

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Speaker 2: That series apparently.

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Speaker 1: But you look at what Jamal Murray shot from three.

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What Michael Porter Junior at that time we're shooting from three.

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He was dealing with the shoulder injury. It feels like

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with Spencer Jones and we're just gonna assume that he

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gets converted and as eligible to play, and should they

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keep Peyton Watson past the trade deadline? Having Christian Brown

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Aaron Gordon to me kind of feels yolkic is the

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skeleton key for everything.

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Speaker 2: But Aaron Gordon feels if I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know if it's an X factor or whatever, but

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you're not to me, you're not winning that series without

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Aaron Gordon because I feel you could use him to

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a bunch of different things.

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Speaker 2: You need someone to maybe turn.

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Speaker 1: The water off on j dub We saw him do

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that a lot in that series last year too, or.

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Speaker 3: Shae really like that's not an advantage for the Thunder

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if Gordon gets switched on to Shay Like, I think

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that the Nuggets should want that.

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Speaker 1: And I so, And I think just Denver's ability and

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against the Thunder its different, but Denver's ability to be

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able to draw fouls with Jokic and Murray because of

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how aggressive Okay see is, you know they're going to

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foul a ton. But the other thing is, relative to

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most teams against the Thunder, they're also not going to

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turn the ball over a ton because like Murray and

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Jokic specifically, they're going to be pretty low turnover and

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the lowest turnover rate against the Thunder of any team.

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I kind of think there's been We've even had the conversations,

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is this the championship caliber defense? The health is it's

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just a given. I kind of think people are sleeping

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on the Nuggets relative the to in the who's the

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biggest Thunder. I've seen the Rockets pop up a lot,

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but they feel like to me, they're they're just in

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this discussion if we if we didn't have the Jokic

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injury or should I say the big val injury as

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the news trigger here, we would still absolutely be talking

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about the Nuggets. And I think I don't know if

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they're better set up to beat okac it really then

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last year.

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Speaker 2: I guess if you what would be the case.

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Speaker 1: For why they would be better built to beat OKAYC

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than they were because a lot of the stuff just

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feels the same, even though some of the personnel hash.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's a good question. I think I

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think you'd start. You have to just mention they've got

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like three usable bench guys that maybe they didn't have

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last year. I think you'd also say the three point

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shoot Denver, so Denver's the best three point shooting team

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in the league this year. The volume still isn't maybe

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where you'd like it to be, and you might I'd

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sit and the Thunder just have always given up a

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lot of threes and a lot of corner threes. That's

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just part of the thing. So like if then if

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the Nuggets are better equipped to this season to take advantage,

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point frequency three years running, so like you're gonna you're

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gonna get threes against the Thunder because they shut everything

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else off. And like if you just are a better

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shooting team sort of paradoxically without Porter Junior there, but

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the numbers are what they are. Maybe that's a way

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that you can steal a game or two. You win

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the math game that way, the three more than two thing,

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and you don't turn it over, which is like if

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the Thunder in the past, we've seen the Thunder. If like,

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if you make the Thunder play in the half court more,

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they they go through droughts and if you cannot turn

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it over and let them get out and run and

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build twelve point leads on like breakaways, you know that

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that gives you the that gives you the shot you need.

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So maybe Denver in those two ways might might have

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a better chance, But like, how much better does Denver's

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chance need to be? If they came as close as

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anybody last year of beating them, So, I mean, it's

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again it's hard to hard to like be really firm

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with any of this because the two teams haven't played yet.

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But it's it's not like it's not a shock if

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the Nuggets eliminate the Thunder from a playoff series. I

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don't think.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it would be a surprise.

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Speaker 1: The final question I have, would you try just because

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we haven't seen it hardly at all? I think they've

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played like fifty possessions or something like that, is there

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a case to go three big against the well, it's

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too big with Val and Yokic if they're healthy and

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then you still have Gordon on the floor or can

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that not even be a consideration where your the thought

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process is we're going to try and just bludget Oklahoma

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City to death.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely a lever i'd pull if like I was

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down oh two or something. You know, I don't know,

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if I don't know if I come out.

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Speaker 2: That's the nicest way of saying no.

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Speaker 3: Well, what realistically, like, how much utility do you think

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that type of lineup would have? Like what I get,

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I mean, it makes sense because there will be other

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teams we talk about where it's like, Okay, the way

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that this works for beating the Thunder is offensive rebounding,

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second chance points like that kind of thing. So it's

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like your right to suggest something like that, and Gordon

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makes it so you're not giving away as much as

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you otherwise would perimeter defense wise. But like, if I'm Denver,

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I'm trying to beat you with hopefully my healthy starting

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five and I'm gonna beat you shooting threes first and

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with Jokic being unsolvable second, you know, like reverse those actually,

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but yeah, you think you're gonna have to try stuff.

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If you're gonna be the Thunder, you're gonna have to

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try stuff.

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Speaker 2: Hashtag tries hind underscore ninety.

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Speaker 1: In the chat, Brown close to a return question mark

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I think Zach Lowe said Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown

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could both be back within the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: And I think Gordon.

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Speaker 1: To me is huge because the Nuggets have actually there's

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only been I don't I think they've only played like

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eighty minutes or something together. But the Murray Gordon minutes

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without Jokic this year have actually gone really well, only

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forty four minutes seventeen point three net rating and so

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that'd be big. But yeah, what don't you think though

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you mentioned this when we were building our top five

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defense with only six foot five inch players, are you

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worrying about Jokic not being able to solve Alex Caruso

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plus help plus.

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Speaker 3: Jadeb on the back line in our configuration? I well,

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I picked Caruso as the guy in an exercise we

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did to guard Jokic, and that the implication was like

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also plus help, So I have to give that a

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little bit of thought. But like, don't you also think

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that Jokic has now seen this once for a playoff

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series and it's just like the beautiful mind graphics are

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going up and he's just solved it all already.

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Speaker 1: There's I mean, this does apply to the thunder. Is

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there any inkling of Nikola Jokic is just gonna get

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like four or six weeks of rest in the middle

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of the season now, And that could be absolutely terrifying

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for playoff opponents because it's a I mean, if it's

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actually just a calf strain, and it's like, is that

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really the worst thing in the world for him to

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get a break? And instead of the sorry hyper there's

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been so many cap strains, but now there's so many.

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Speaker 3: Hyper extensions of getting confused the cap strain, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Think, yeah, is that the cover?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: I'm not No, I won't go down there.

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Speaker 1: I was like, NBA teams don't want to be investigated

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for their injury reports. They say capstrain. Everyone's always can't

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question that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of cap strains, too many? All right,

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what's the next team you pick?

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Speaker 1: I feel like we need to talk about the Spurs now. Okay,

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Rumor has it they've played pretty well against the Thunder

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this year. I think I think, honestly, well, it's not. Honestly,

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Wenby does have a ton to do with why they're

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so good as being able to just basically have him, oh,

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if you want him to be on a big or

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if you want him to roam. I think it was

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thinking Basketball had a great breakdown about how san Antonio

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is doing a lot of just pre switching and Wemby's

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pointing it out so that he can continue to roam

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around the basket, and you're seeing it materially impact the

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shots that the Thunder are taking. The Thunder are shooting

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when Shay is on the floor with Wemby on the

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floor forty seven point six percent on twos.

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Speaker 2: When Wemby's off.

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Speaker 1: The floor and Shay is on the floor, there should

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be sixty two point one percent on twos. And so

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Wemby is just able to to buck stuff up and

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he's going to materially change just their frequency with which

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you're even able to get at the rim. And so

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the Thunder are not a high volume rim team. Thirty

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point eight percent of their shots come there. I think

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that's seventeenth in the league. That number drops all the

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way to twenty two point two percent against the Spurs

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so far this year.

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Speaker 3: This is yeah, just a point on that. Sorry to

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jump in. Two of the Thunder's three lowest rim aitem

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frequency games this season have been against the Spurs. It's

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just like it's a fact the Spurs, with Wemby especially,

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just you don't shoot at the rim as often Wemby.

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Speaker 2: On a minutes limit two.

475
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,039
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing is whether he's playing thirty

476
00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:57,839
seven minutes a game or something in the playoffs. But

477
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,720
what I think is, and now it's starting to receive

478
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,640
tension is with the exception of Steph Castle, I mean

479
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,319
they have all Steph Castle.

480
00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 2: Devin Vessel, Dylan Harper, Darn Fox.

481
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,559
Speaker 1: All of those guys can get downhill, all of them,

482
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,960
almost all of them are very low turnover and seem

483
00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:18,000
totally fine to handle pressure on the offensive end, and

484
00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:22,039
so they're able to put Oklahoma City in rotation more

485
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,599
than most other teams would. And it's yeah, okay, maybe

486
00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:27,599
some of the finishing. If it's Daron Fox, Oh is

487
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,759
he finishing as well during this week of a stretch.

488
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,720
Maybe not, But his ability to score from different levels anyway,

489
00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,480
and the fact that all of them at Vissell.

490
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,279
Speaker 2: Maybe close to a liability.

491
00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:43,319
Speaker 1: But just Daron Fox, Dylan Harper, and Steph Castle are

492
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,920
not guys that you can actively pick on on the

493
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,039
defensive end. And even Dylan Harper beat just as a

494
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,279
rookie and not having a ton of intel on him

495
00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:53,799
before he's coming into the league. Had just a few

496
00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:56,279
plays against the Thunder to where's he made this huge

497
00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:58,880
three and he was pressuring the ball and forced the

498
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,440
turnover before or the Thunder even crossed the timeline. I

499
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,880
can't even remember if it was on Shay or j

500
00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,920
dub who he forced to turn over on whatever that

501
00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:09,680
is no other team has Wemby but now you compound

502
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,160
it with if you're looking for a roster that's stocked

503
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,920
with a bunch of dynamic on ball guys who can

504
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,680
get downhill and either spray or make some difficult attempts

505
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,119
at the river just aren't gonna be phased whether they're

506
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,599
operating from a dead stop or in transition by Oklahoma

507
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,759
City's defense, in part because who's the shortest.

508
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: Of those guards? Is it the Aaron Fox and he's

509
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,720
six three?

510
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and certainly like Harper and Castle both

511
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,599
play bigger, but yeah, I think it's probably Fox.

512
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: So that's just I don't know, No, we can throw

513
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,119
No other team has Wemby. But I think if you

514
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,200
threw Wemby out of the equation and they had a

515
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,599
normal all star big man or whatever, does any other

516
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:57,559
team have that type of dynamism across three separate positions

517
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,559
to go up against the Thunder with.

518
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: You'd be hard I certainly not not while also having

519
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,720
the ball handling. I think it's like when the Thunder

520
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,960
play a lot of teams, it's a parent very quickly

521
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,200
that like this team just isn't. They're sped up immediately

522
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,319
and they never are able to like turn the throttle down.

523
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,880
The thunder of just chant put the game into a

524
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,839
state that like a lot of teams because of age,

525
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,599
because of ball handling issues, because of what athleticism issues are,

526
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,400
just like this this isn't for you, Like this is

527
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,559
this game is being played in a way, at a level,

528
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,440
at a pace that you're just like this is where

529
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,720
the thunder are good and you just can't stay there.

530
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:42,680
The Spurs are not one of those teams. The Spurs

531
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,920
very much. I'm just kind of saying what you said differently.

532
00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:49,680
Between Castle, Harper, and Fox, you have three guys that

533
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:53,640
can just beat their man right like from a standstill,

534
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:55,680
three guys that can bring the ball up, three guys

535
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,680
that can punish pressure by getting past that first level

536
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,640
of wherever the pickup point is and getting the thunder

537
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,119
into rotation. And three guys that like just athletically are

538
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,839
not overwhelmed. Like even Fox, like we talk we oh

539
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,279
is he's slipping like he's an athleticism bassed player. How's

540
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,079
he gonna like? Fox right now? Is like he's very

541
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,079
very capable of playing at the athletic level. You have

542
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,599
to to like to kno get run over by the thunder.

543
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,920
So those three and like go down like Keldon Johnson,

544
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,680
very active like Keldon Johnson, will run into you over

545
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,920
and over until you get tired like he he's a

546
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,759
high motor guy. There's a lot of guys like Champagne,

547
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,279
Like those guys all are like are here for it. Yeah,

548
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,799
don't forget the unicornet. They're all capable of like just

549
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:43,559
not getting I don't know, like five minutes into a

550
00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:45,559
lot of games the Thunder, when you see the Thunder

551
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,319
against just I pick a team, it's like the Thunder

552
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,920
have won this game already because they just the snowballs

553
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,160
already rolling down the hill with like three turnovers in

554
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,359
the first five minutes and break like the Spurs are

555
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,920
not that, but it like we've we've buried the lead

556
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,400
a little bit. I just think the Wemby piece of it.

557
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,039
If you pick the Spurs to be the biggest threat,

558
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:08,759
it's because of him. It's separate from the Guards, which

559
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,920
I think matters. But it's no, it's just like every

560
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,799
time I watched all those just every time I see

561
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,880
Wemby against the Thunder, all I can think about is

562
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,559
how the Thunder kind of it's almost like I don't

563
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,160
know the game's played at like different level. I've made

564
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,559
some version of this argument before, like the games played

565
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,960
at like different levels, right, and the Thunder at the

566
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,440
lowest level, like on the ground, like where all these

567
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,880
guards are flying all over the place, like you sort

568
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,000
of can't beat them there. But if you just move

569
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,519
the ball up a plane, like up above all of

570
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,440
that like nonsense, like above the cloud of dust that

571
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:44,319
everyone's created, Like I don't know, you're kind of a

572
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,640
but you're like figuratively above the fray. Like Wemby just

573
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,799
gives you the option to do that where he just

574
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,440
he plays he's dominating the level above the floor right

575
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:56,799
on defense and then on offense you throw it to him,

576
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,599
he can shoot over the top of any kind of

577
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:00,960
pressure you want to put on him. He makes. He's

578
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,799
like the kind of lob threat that you just sort

579
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:05,960
of can't account for because you can throw it higher

580
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,119
to like I don't know, it's kind of a hack thing,

581
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,359
but like the Thunder are going to beat you down

582
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,359
at their level, So try as much as you can

583
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,279
with all your guards and stuff to compete there. But

584
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,359
also like go up a couple floors and see what

585
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,680
it looks like up there. Because the Thunder are vulnerable

586
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,759
to size two guys that can shoot over the top,

587
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,319
like because lou Dor Alex Caruso great defenders, Jada great defenders,

588
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,319
like they're all guards and wings, you know. So I

589
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,440
think Chet has a role to play here, But Wemby

590
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,160
has kind of just kicked his ass like every time

591
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,599
they played. So I don't know I key about that.

592
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: What I will say is the Spurs just having no

593
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:46,079
qualms about putting a smaller player on Chet is kind

594
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,079
of the fact that you don't want Wemby just glued

595
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:50,039
to check.

596
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: Right, It's like kind of a problem, right.

597
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: No, I think that's right, and like Chet may just

598
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,039
the next time they play, Chet may just punish that,

599
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,359
Like that's I believe a Homegron has a great player,

600
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,720
but right, like you can get away with that. I

601
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,839
just yeah, I think the combo to sum it up

602
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,359
unless you have more to add, like the combo of

603
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,240
guards that are like up to the challenge of playing

604
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,359
the way the Thunder want to play. And then wembya

605
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,720
is just like you guys don't have one of these,

606
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,599
nobody does we do? It just changes the dynamics.

607
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,559
Speaker 1: I should have asked this question about Denver and if

608
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:25,119
you don't have an answer, I could give it.

609
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: So let's start with them really quickly.

610
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,799
Speaker 1: If you could add a player archetype to the Nuggets

611
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,599
at the deadline to make them better built the thunder

612
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,519
to beat the thunder, what would it be?

613
00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: It would be I'm worried this is gonna be my

614
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:43,359
answer for a lot of teams that we do this for.

615
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:48,200
I want give me like a Stephan Castle clone, like

616
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,920
I want. The archetype would be hyper athletic point of

617
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,119
attack defender in the back court that can can get

618
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:57,720
to the basket like I don't even know if I

619
00:28:57,759 --> 00:28:59,720
need him to be a shooter like Christian Brown, super

620
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:03,559
chart with a better handle. I think so for Denver,

621
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:06,960
I think I might lean more towards I just feel

622
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,720
like defensively, if you have Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown

623
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:11,599
and Peyton Watson and Spencer Jones, you need to try

624
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:12,799
and figure it out with that if they get like

625
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,839
an Io Desumu, another ball handler aside from yok Because

626
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,319
who do you trust aside from Jokich or Murray to

627
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,119
handle Okayse's pressure on the ball.

628
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I haven't I don't have anyone it's

629
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,720
not Jamn Pickett. Yeah, so that would be for for

630
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:29,720
San Antonio, though I would do you think there's something

631
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:34,160
to getting more of like a bruising for next to

632
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,480
Wemby or is it because you could use Cornett next

633
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,039
to Wemby? But if if the Thunder do play Hartenstein

634
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,599
and Chet, is that maybe their pathway to being because

635
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,200
we saw now these teams, are you if you look

636
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,920
at the Knicks or if you look at Houston, those

637
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,200
teams are gonna be able to play more physical than

638
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,559
the Spurs can, at least their front lines are.

639
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: It's a little different.

640
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,279
Speaker 1: When it comes to Oklahoma City because what is Hartenstein's

641
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:01,319
probably their most physical for like big frontline player. Is

642
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:03,640
that Would that be it for San Antonio? Or do

643
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160
you want to have like a motion shooter or something

644
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,160
to give you another outlet on the offensive end.

645
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: I just need the Julian Champagne that played the Knicks

646
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,240
and I'm good. I need I need the guy that's

647
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,519
a five alarm fire three point shooter. Basically I'm talking

648
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:24,720
about on the on the Spurs. So yeah, no, I

649
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,559
don't it's tempting to say size they're bulk. Bulk is

650
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,720
the better because they have size. But I think I

651
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,319
just want the shooting. I think I think that's that

652
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,920
that matters more to me, because like Harper, you know,

653
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,680
as it's coming gone, Castle is gonna get left alone.

654
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,119
Fox even is like, I don't feel great whenever Fox

655
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,519
shoots a three. So if you're gonna have those three

656
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:45,799
guys are so critical, well.

657
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,079
Speaker 2: What about when? What about when Julian Champagne he's able

658
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:48,599
to hit eleven?

659
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,599
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. If you get Nick against the Knicks, Champagne,

660
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,680
you're good. I just I is he gonna what was

661
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,359
it eleven? Did he hit eleven? There was eleven?

662
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,359
Speaker 1: I know that the way Tyler Kollak was against guarding him,

663
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,160
even though he was on fires.

664
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: On Tyler, are you out?

665
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,799
Speaker 1: Oh no, Tyler. Tyler Kolak is like the goat. He's

666
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:09,079
gonna be on the nixt Mount Rushmore.

667
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:12,119
Speaker 3: That would have been a hard pivot last time.

668
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,599
Speaker 2: What is the next team you would like to discuss?

669
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:21,039
Speaker 3: Uh, let's let's do the Rockets one to zero against

670
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:21,920
the thunder this year?

671
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:22,759
Speaker 6: Uh?

672
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: Plus four point that? So no problems here? Why are

673
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,640
they a threat to me? This is the offensive rebounding

674
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,400
thing like, So the Thunder don't get second chance points.

675
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,400
They're bottom three in the league. They also have been

676
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,680
pretty good at limiting opponents second chance points, but not lately.

677
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,519
I forget who had the stat but they're basically losing

678
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,200
three points three second chance points per game by allowing

679
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,279
too many offensive rebounds and not getting enough of their

680
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,200
own and not doing enough by the one with the

681
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,480
ones that they get. The Rockets are the best offensive

682
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,279
rebounding team in the league. You talk about size and bulk,

683
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,759
they will deliver that in greater quantities than any team

684
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,160
the Thunder are likely to face. I can't I can

685
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,559
envision a scenario where it's like Steven Adams is in

686
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,920
there with Shane Goon. I don't know how you're defending

687
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,119
in the in those setups, but you're getting too two

688
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,960
three cracks every time down just because you're getting all

689
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,680
the offensive boards. You can turn it over if you

690
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,559
want to, if which the Rockets do and will, but

691
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,440
that's gonna not kill you because you're getting several shots

692
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:32,400
every possession. It's not it's not like a complicated sort

693
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,200
of way forward, but it is the most obvious one

694
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,960
for Houston, and I think too I mean maybe I

695
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,519
don't know if what you were going to talk about here,

696
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:45,519
but like between like Thomas Shepherd and Durant and Reed Shepherd,

697
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,480
there's enough like shooting slash athletic dynamism slash playmaking. There's

698
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,680
like enough offensively to where you know Durant is still

699
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,119
gonna be able to shoot over whoever you put it.

700
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,359
There's other ways I'm curious besides the offensive rebounding unless

701
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,480
you have more on that, like what you'd look for

702
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:04,160
from Houston as a reason to believe.

703
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think yeah. So one of my biggest questions

704
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,519
was do we buy their first chance offense? And it's

705
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,400
nothing you could say they might have enough dynamic options,

706
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400
but nothing with their offense feels easy. And I go

707
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,880
back and forth. I sat here thinking about this last night.

708
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,759
Does that make you feel better or worse about Houston

709
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,319
going up against the Thunder? Because so Houston as a backstory,

710
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,279
they're twenty eighth in the percentage of their jumpers that

711
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:36,240
are like uncontested, and so they're not creating particularly easy

712
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,680
looks relative to other teams. You're not gonna get a

713
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,400
ton of easy looks against the Thunder. And so if

714
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,680
you're used to that. Is there something to it or

715
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,640
does it make you just more worried because then you

716
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:49,319
are maybe so reliable because look, their first chance offense

717
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,039
ranks in the top five this season. That's why it's important.

718
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:53,400
It's not this is not last year or I think

719
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,799
it might have been seventeenth or something. So the offensive

720
00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:00,480
rebounding I think absolutely matters. But they do have between Shepherd,

721
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,960
Kevin Durant, and even Shane Goon, like you get them differently,

722
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,119
and he hasn't been as efficient as you'd like them

723
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239
to be. Like those are guys who will hit difficult shots.

724
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,960
That's having the I don't want to call him a bailout,

725
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,760
but having Kevin Durant, who if you want him to

726
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,079
put the ball on the floor now, I think he's

727
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,679
probably uniquely vulnerable to the thunder. And that's where I

728
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,280
would get worried about Houston's offense is do you trust

729
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,639
You might think these guys can hit these difficult shots,

730
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,960
but who do you trust handling the ball against the thunder?

731
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,599
I think Shang Gun is just the answer right now.

732
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,480
And then read Shepherd's probably number two, which is again

733
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,199
it's fine. I just don't know how that stands up

734
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:35,760
the other question I kind of had, and you alluded

735
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,960
to some of the okac's own offensive issues before. The

736
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,480
way Houston's defense is designed, though, really intrigues me with

737
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,719
the way that they go up against the Thunder because

738
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,440
they are gonna concede three point looks and the Thunder

739
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,960
are just They're twenty first in effective field goal percentage

740
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,360
on wide open jumpers. They're also not looking to run

741
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,840
as much off of live rebounds. They're dead last in

742
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,400
you can talk about. I don't know how much the

743
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,760
non Shay minutes matter, but they're the twenty second percent

744
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,320
tile of offense without Shay that goes up to the thirtieth

745
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,440
percentile with Jay Dubb, it goes up to the forty

746
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,000
second percentile with This is in the half court forty

747
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,239
second percent tile with both j Dub and Chet. And

748
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,000
by the way, the other variable here is right now

749
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,559
Jayalen Williams, specifically for a team like the Rockets, feels

750
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,559
a little easier to defend. I don't know if the

751
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,199
rist is still bothering him, but he just looks like

752
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,840
he looks different, looks like he's moving different. He's shooting

753
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:34,840
forty percent on self created twos and seventeen percent on

754
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,960
self created threes.

755
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: He is among the fifty.

756
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,119
Speaker 1: Players who are averaging five or more pull up jumpers

757
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,320
per game. Only John Morant is more inefficient on pull

758
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,599
up jumpers right now, that's kind of the like and

759
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,519
the way that the Rockets guard Specifically, You're gonna need

760
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,440
Jay Dubb to make stuff happen from the perimeter, and

761
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:56,119
I think j Dubb is a pseudo number long term.

762
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,360
I think he's a pseudo number one option. But that's

763
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,320
another kind of variable here for me.

764
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a good one. I think if

765
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,960
you're just kind of looking for more ways forward, there's

766
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,760
a different version of the physical advantages that Houston has

767
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,320
on the offensive glasses, Like Shangun can just put Chet

768
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,239
Holmgren in the basket, and if you're playing him with

769
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,320
another big I think you probably have Adams or I

770
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,880
guess maybe it'd be Capella on Hartenstein and vice versa.

771
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,559
So like, I think Holmgren probably is going to be

772
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,239
put in a position where because you can't who else

773
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,360
would you even use against Shangoon If you can get

774
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,400
the ball into him from at the elbow and he

775
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,559
can do his like nonsense flailing and spinning stuff, and

776
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,880
or even if you get deeper position, I could just

777
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,400
see and that's where the volleyball on the glass starts is.

778
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,719
Shangun gets like a close range look that maybe doesn't

779
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,679
go in. I think he's a real problem for the Thunder,

780
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,239
especially if it's Homegron that has to guard him, because

781
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,079
Shangoon is shown like how many guys have put Wemby

782
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,840
in the basket like it. Shangoon's done it like that.

783
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,559
He's one of the few guys that can just it

784
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:04,880
doesn't matter if you're longer and have you know, our

785
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,400
great shop block, and he'll just get into you, I

786
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,920
think too, like athletically again, and and like trying to

787
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,519
find teams that like aren't just gonna get run over

788
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:20,119
like Thompson Eason, even Sheppard to some extent, like maybe

789
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,840
Finny Smith rounds into form. I don't feel like the

790
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,800
rockets are gonna get They're not gonna be just blown

791
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,519
off the floor by the thunders defensive intensity and pace

792
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,599
and stuff. So that's smaller things. But there's again, I mean,

793
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,320
the rockets beat them already, so there's something there.

794
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: And that was before reach Sheepherd was reachepperd.

795
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 3: They're gonna win by one hundred.

796
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,519
Speaker 2: Now, next team, let's do the Timberwolves.

797
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: They've also just recently beat the Thunder and they're just

798
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,119
I feel like we should only have the Minnesota Timberwolves

799
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,559
play top five or ten teams in the league, right

800
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,880
because those objectively just feel like the only games they

801
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,480
get up for and don't. I don't know what it is,

802
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,960
but it feels like I've read so many or watched

803
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,039
so many postgame comments of yeah, we just didn't have

804
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:12,159
the energy tonight and it didn't get coming up. Maybe

805
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:13,960
it's time, like does Chris Finch just need to get

806
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,280
ejected in every single game? So what's interesting here too

807
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,760
is they are another team where I think that you

808
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,000
can throw good positional size at the Thunder because of

809
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:29,320
Rudy Gobert, of Julius Randall, you have Jane McDaniels, Anthony Edwards.

810
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,599
I don't actually and maybe a lot of this has

811
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,639
to do with the way the Thunder have played offensively,

812
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,360
particularly of late. I don't worry about Minnesota's defense against

813
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,159
OKAC too much, like because Rudy Gobert is still able

814
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,920
to not the same level of deterrent as Victor Wimenyama

815
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:46,800
is like, no, I mean, no one is to be fair,

816
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,079
but the Thunder are not getting to the rim. So

817
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,159
if they've played one hundred and forty two minutes with

818
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,519
Rudy Gobert on the floor and oh this is from

819
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:57,119
looking at last year, but since last year with Rudy

820
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,800
Gobert and Shake Gilders Alexander on, the Thunder just don't

821
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,280
get to the rim and anywhere near a league average

822
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,679
clip when Rigo Bert is there, I think that's a

823
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,920
pretty big deal. They're shooting not the best clip at

824
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,000
the rim during those minutes either, fifty seven point five percent.

825
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:14,440
That's actually incredibly low. So I don't worry about between

826
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,119
him having Jane McDaniels and we know what Anthony Edwards

827
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,079
will do in that type of a series, and if

828
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,320
they want to go due a big that might even

829
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,159
favor that might make it easier for Julius Randall on

830
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,239
the defensive end to where if you downsize and where

831
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,559
Randall's going to be playing against Smalls, I'd probably trust

832
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:30,639
him less there.

833
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,199
Speaker 2: This team just.

834
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: Intrigues me against the I think first of all, they're

835
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,480
confusing as hell, because I don't trust them to keep

836
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,159
a lead in crunch time. They can be up fifteen

837
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,119
points heading into the final five minutes. I wouldn't trust

838
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:43,760
them and keep the lead. But if you have to,

839
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,400
like just draft like teams you want going up against

840
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,159
top five, top ten teams in the league. The Timberwolves

841
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,800
are up there. And what I don't know what to

842
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,079
make of is their offense because I don't think they

843
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,679
need I think Anthony Edwards just is their point guard.

844
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: We saw it in crunch time.

845
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: I think there was the comment from I don't know

846
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,559
who it was, if it was Julius Randall Orjohn Devincenzl

847
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,239
the other day to where the Wolves need to figure

848
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,239
out a way to keep everyone involved for a bulk

849
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,400
of the game, and then it needs to be ant

850
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,880
show down the stretch and like finding that balance might

851
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,960
be something that they've struggled with. He's just going to

852
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,760
be that guy, whether it's down the stretcher, like throw

853
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,119
out over the course of the game. Even I think

854
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,119
it's But at the same time, I look and say, well,

855
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,000
do I trust anyone on this team to handle the

856
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:29,679
ball against Okac's defense, And then how do you I

857
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,840
think Rudy Gobert so valuable on defense to Minnesota, what

858
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,280
does he look like offensively against this Thunder team is

859
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,000
where I would be super concerned in the playoffs. And

860
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:42,320
so that's what I can't wrap my head around. And

861
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,199
we forgot to ask this question about Houston. So we're

862
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:47,920
just gonna backtrack each time. What's the archetype if you're

863
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,039
the Rockets of player that you would say, hey, I

864
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:53,039
want to go trade for just to beat the Thunder

865
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:53,719
in this series.

866
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,039
Speaker 3: Don't you think they need another ball handler? Because if

867
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,639
we're worried about Durant and Thompson and like Shepherd, who

868
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,400
knows Shepherd should be okay, but like I worry about

869
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,280
just keeping possession of the basketball like a little bit

870
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,039
uh against like the pressure of the Wallaces and Dorts

871
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,320
and Carusos and even SGAs of the world.

872
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,679
Speaker 1: I think you're right the name that it came to

873
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,079
me because I just he wouldn't be he's smaller, but

874
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,239
he can rebound in defen was Peyton Pritchard would be

875
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,480
like an ideal Gave. I don't know in a Thunder

876
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:24,360
series maybe not though, but.

877
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: Well the shooting, you get the shooting too that you

878
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,119
stretch the floor A little bit back to Minnesota though.

879
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: What I wanted to ask you, though, is if it

880
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,559
was the Wolves, what is your biggest pain point for

881
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:36,119
them against?

882
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 3: Okay, say, well you got you were getting to it.

883
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,920
I do think defensively, they're very well equipped to to

884
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,039
stay in games. They're four and by the way, Minnesota's

885
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,079
four and three over the last seven games against the

886
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:50,239
Thunder dating back a couple of years. I haven't looked

887
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,920
it up, but I bet you nobody else has been

888
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,280
better than that, just based on how good the Thunder

889
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:54,559
have been.

890
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: Well, the Spurs now have three wins.

891
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,639
Speaker 3: Well that's true, but I don't know. They still might

892
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,559
not be better. Did they get one last year? Maybe

893
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:08,800
it's the offense. And this is a concern about the Wolves,

894
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,079
whether you're playing the Thunder or not. Like I think

895
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:15,599
it is true that Edwards needs to be controlling things

896
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:17,320
at the end of games, but like one at the

897
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,280
same time, one of my biggest I don't know concerns

898
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,280
I guess is that the Wolves seem to live and

899
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,679
die laid in games, and often die based on how

900
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,159
many difficult jump shots Edwards can make over contests like

901
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:34,639
you think of the highlights, like the three he hit

902
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,679
in the corner to send that game to overtime. He

903
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,719
just like he's gonna make He's gonna make or miss

904
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,320
really hard shots, Like what's the last really easy Anthony

905
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,239
Edwards late game bucket you can remember. I'm sure Wolves

906
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,159
fans are like, well there was this. I don't remember

907
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,320
a lot, And that's great that you have Anthony Edwards

908
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,239
because he's gonna make more of those shots than most.

909
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:56,800
But the thing is, if I'm the Thunder, I'm doubling

910
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,679
him immediately because I don't even want the chance that

911
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,679
I just get beat by a hero shot. And then

912
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:07,280
Edwards has it laudably I think shown a willingness to

913
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,440
get off the ball in those situations, like he will

914
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,239
just make the obvious outlet pass when doubled. And then

915
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,400
what like is Dante DiVincenzo making the play here on

916
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,320
offense against the Thunder Layden games? Is it?

917
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:19,559
Speaker 5: Is it?

918
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: Jade McDaniels like, it is it Randall that you're trusting? Like,

919
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,199
I think scoring on the Thunder is gonna be really hard,

920
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,920
and especially Laden games, which if you're a Wolf's fan

921
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,440
you're like, yeah, Layden games, it's always hard for us.

922
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,400
So that's where that's the issue to me, like very clearly,

923
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,800
I think because defensively, I think you're right like between

924
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,920
McDaniels and Edwards and then go Bert on the back

925
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,519
line and just size like that's about as good as

926
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:44,159
you can hope to do.

927
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: Right.

928
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: I feel even better about them if I know he's

929
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,079
dealing with a left ankle injury. This seemed like if

930
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,480
Arren Shannon Junior was who I thought Aryn Shannon Junior

931
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,559
was gonna be this season.

932
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: Just another guy who can move like, yeah, that plays

933
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,880
at a high energy level. That kind of thing matters.

934
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wonder how much would so they've been

935
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,000
linked to. Kobe White is the name that's been thrown

936
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,280
around a lot for them where and I think, by

937
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,239
the way, I think that's the right type of name,

938
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,119
at least veering away from I've seen a lot of people.

939
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:11,480
They need to point guard, they need to point guard

940
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,000
four general for general, I don't they don't need the

941
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,239
next Mike Conley. I guess it would be important, Like

942
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,480
setting up Gobert would be great, But if this is

943
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,599
gonna be aunt show anyway, you want someone who's probably

944
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,880
more gives you the spacing and just like the combo

945
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,440
guardom Okay.

946
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,519
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, but Mikil Alexander Walker would be great,

947
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,639
would he wouldn't he? Dan? When that that's exactly who

948
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:34,800
you need, this version of him.

949
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: Man, they could have kept him too, So I've arrived

950
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:39,360
that they fucked it up.

951
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: It should have been Alexander Walker instead of Reid, like

952
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,159
if you had well, I know it wasn't as simple

953
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:48,039
as that, but like if the Alexander Walker is a

954
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:51,719
better player, like he's I mean, he's just defensively nothing

955
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,880
off the table does hasn't missed a corner three that

956
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,039
I've seen once this year. I'm sure he's shooting one

957
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:01,320
hundred percent from there. Like that's that's who we That's

958
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,679
who you want. That you just said combo guard, Like

959
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,760
that's that's who they need. It's crazy.

960
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,079
Speaker 1: I just don't nas Reed still feels important. I keep

961
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:12,000
coming back to. As good as he's been for this season.

962
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,199
I wonder if Julius Randall was the player that they

963
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:16,840
should have planned to Well.

964
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,159
Speaker 3: That's maybe that's that's a more interesting question.

965
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, but that you know, and I want

966
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:22,719
to be respectful and say that this is kind of

967
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,199
in the vein where it's you can't you know, Trey

968
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,800
Young can be good, but just like the fit, you

969
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,360
don't know if you love that. And so that's what

970
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,360
I'm kind of at with, Like I'd probably rather have

971
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,199
if it was you could pick two of Nas Randall

972
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,920
and Nikkil Alexander Walker, I probably would have went because

973
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,039
neither Nas or Julius Randall's gonna be your center of

974
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:43,079
the future anyway. So you get more passing with Randall

975
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,000
for sure, and there's he has more of that girth.

976
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,320
But yep, but again hindsight, whatever that's done. Do you

977
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,480
think though, if they went after that type of a player,

978
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,760
let's say they can add someone who will make you

979
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,440
feel better about being able to attack, Okay, ces defense?

980
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,880
At what cost does that come to their own defense?

981
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,559
Because Kobe White, that's somewhere you have to cover up

982
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:06,880
for all the names because and there are somewhere you

983
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,199
could what do we say now, Grant split the baby,

984
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,840
because that's not a harrowing thing to thing about. I

985
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,199
would you soon move But he's not getting you those

986
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,400
frum scratch jumpers. And how much do you trust him

987
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,719
handling the ball against? Like I don't know who the

988
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,800
in between name or even who the perfect name non

989
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,199
star division of course, would would actually be Well.

990
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: Aren't we talking about someone that should would close for

991
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,800
the for the wolves right in this? That's how I'm like,

992
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,840
because when you said Kobe White, I immediately was like,

993
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:36,760
I don't know if he's closing over Evencenzo? Uh maybe

994
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,840
would you could you know you're too small?

995
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the thunder could you close him over Randall?

996
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,440
That also, isn't that a question you need to ask?

997
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,360
Who do you want in the closing lineup?

998
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: More? Because j mac Rudy and Ant are locks?

999
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 3: Right? Would you prefer is pretty close to the lock?

1000
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,239
Just because of the shooting?

1001
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: Like you can't like, well, right now, I think they're

1002
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,239
closers right now? Are just I'm talking about if you're

1003
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,719
making a trade and the idea is we need a closer.

1004
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:06,880
Who is the player you're looking to upgrade from or replace?

1005
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,519
Speaker 3: I mean, are we coming back to? I mean Devincenzo

1006
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,519
feels like it should be him, but Randal is someone

1007
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:18,039
like what if this isn't gonna happen? This, this can't happen.

1008
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,199
But it's like if it's Trey Murphy in Randall's spot

1009
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,840
and your forwards are McDaniels and Murphy, Like we're not

1010
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,960
talking about quite the same level of like how are

1011
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,960
we going to score questions? If that's what it looks like, right,

1012
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,480
because the spacing's better, the shooting's better, you're more athletic,

1013
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,320
you're smaller. But it's not like Randall. I guess Randall. Yeah,

1014
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,920
Randall's size does make a difference. But if go bears

1015
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,400
on the back line, I think you can get away

1016
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,400
with rangier forwards next to him. McDaniels can play up.

1017
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,480
I don't know something like that. I guess just if

1018
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,239
we're trying to figure out how to solve the offensive

1019
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,840
problems late you have a guy that like cannot be

1020
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,280
left for a second in Murphy, that would maybe make

1021
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,719
it so you can't get away with doubling the ball

1022
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,880
out of Ant's hands all the time. Maybe that's the guy,

1023
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,159
or that's the the issue. It's like, who can you

1024
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,800
add to this team that in late games makes it

1025
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:09,800
at least a question of should we double edwards and

1026
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,440
get the ball out of his hands? Like who's that?

1027
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: We are?

1028
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: We are we talking about a star at that point?

1029
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,639
Speaker 1: Because do you think that the thunder gonna let's use

1030
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:21,119
Kobe White feels just the contract situation, maybe realistically the

1031
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:21,880
best player.

1032
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,079
Speaker 3: Sure they could get up to make you change your thinking.

1033
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: Would one of the what have they been calling them?

1034
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,159
Speaker 1: The I can't even remember now, so I don't want

1035
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,920
to butcher it, but any if you could just get

1036
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,440
any of the three guards who are available, Lamello, Jaw, Trey,

1037
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,480
who's the one that makes.

1038
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 3: Like the South something Southeast something Trinidad?

1039
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?

1040
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: Trinity Southeast?

1041
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: Don't if anyone remembers what John Hollinger has been calling them,

1042
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:49,199
that would be great.

1043
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,559
Speaker 3: Lamello, joh and Trey is who we're talking about.

1044
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,559
Speaker 1: And it's really just Lamello or Jaw because the salary

1045
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,039
matching for Trey is by Rudy Gobert or by Julius.

1046
00:48:58,039 --> 00:48:59,760
I don't know if the Hawk would want Julius random.

1047
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is like that I don't like,

1048
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:05,519
I don't love that type of player because I do

1049
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:07,280
kind of want and to have the ball. And if

1050
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,119
you had Jaw or LaMelo is different. LaMelo maybe the

1051
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:13,239
shooting makes it more like viable, but if it's Jaw,

1052
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:15,320
it's just like, well, we're taking the ball out of

1053
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,840
Ant's hands by necessity because jaw has zero off ball

1054
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,280
value and he will not be guarded, you know, So

1055
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,360
I how much is that helping?

1056
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:25,679
Speaker 2: What about Michael Porter Junior?

1057
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 3: So that's kind of like the Trey Murphy move right

1058
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,880
where it's like five alarm fire away from the ball.

1059
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,039
If you do double the ball out of Ant's hands,

1060
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:37,440
it takes two passes to get its MPG. Or there's

1061
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,400
driving lanes open because somebody's hugged up on him and

1062
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,320
you're in a four on three like that kind of

1063
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,119
shooter New Egg Dan shooting is important. I don't know

1064
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:50,480
if we've discussed that at all over the last decade plus.

1065
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: Right, Man, I'm trying to like, would Wiggins or Norman

1066
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:58,519
Powell Tyler hero is probably too rich for what they

1067
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:02,360
could honestly, could they get if if Brooklyn was willing

1068
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,679
to take Julius Randall, couldn't they get to Michael Porter

1069
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,400
junior somehow? Or is Brooklyn looking for a guaranteed first

1070
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:08,239
round pick right now?

1071
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:08,519
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1072
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 7: Right?

1073
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,639
Speaker 3: What's the what's Minnesota got to trade?

1074
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:14,559
Speaker 1: Pick wise swaps and Rob the flyer on Rob Dillingham?

1075
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 4: Maybe?

1076
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,079
Speaker 1: I mean Tarren Shannon Junior is interesting honestly, I do.

1077
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: I do like the idea of a front court shooter.

1078
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,519
I like it a lot for them.

1079
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: I've given Michael Porter Junior to Minnesota less than zero

1080
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,519
thought until now, and I think I just all of

1081
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:31,880
a sudden might be all in on it withoutout giving

1082
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,639
it more than a service level because Julius makes thirty

1083
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:39,039
point nine and MPJ is at where is he at

1084
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:39,519
this season?

1085
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: Oh?

1086
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,559
Speaker 1: He's at forty? I mean Conley Bridge is the difference?

1087
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:43,760
Can you include something to.

1088
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: I think doesn't Dillingham Bridge the difference are pretty close

1089
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:46,800
to it.

1090
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:49,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Wolves can't take back more money. So

1091
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,679
but you could include a third place So Dillingham, Tarren

1092
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:54,559
Shannon and Randall for Michael is that too much? I

1093
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,559
might do it. I don't know where Minnesota's out and

1094
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:00,599
Rob Dillingham, because I'm all the things were saying right

1095
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,840
now is they were probably thinking that he could be

1096
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,400
the guy that would be at least the offensive antidote

1097
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,599
to what a team to the pressure that a team

1098
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:11,960
like the Founder could provide.

1099
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: I mean, man, what a high bar. Though in hindsight,

1100
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,039
right because like now, part of the reason we don't

1101
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,800
love another guard here is that it takes the ball

1102
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,320
out of Ant's hands. So, like, what kind of player

1103
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,480
would Dillingham need to be to just to like to

1104
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,239
justify the vision of him being a I don't know,

1105
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,000
I think we're like I don't know that Minnesota envision

1106
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:36,599
Dillingham as a closer next to Ant, but like he's small.

1107
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,360
He would have to shoot the shit out of it.

1108
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,559
He would have to be so good as a creator

1109
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,960
as to justify Edwards not having quite as much. Yeah

1110
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:49,440
on ball time, like that, that's a great player. Like,

1111
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,599
I don't know, I would say, like Jeremiah Fears is

1112
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:53,960
way closer to being that type of player than Dillingham

1113
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:59,280
is or was, But like even Fears is like he's

1114
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,440
not going to be there for a long time if

1115
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,920
he ever gets there, right, Like, it's just it's tough

1116
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,480
to justify that trade the further away we get from it.

1117
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: Mel says they were hoping for a Kyrie clone, not yeah,

1118
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,239
I mean.

1119
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,119
Speaker 2: Kyrie were doing it. Yeah, that that would do it.

1120
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 3: Now what you have my attention?

1121
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,159
Speaker 1: Now, Hey, is he available? Did I come back after

1122
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:18,000
the All Star break?

1123
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:20,639
Speaker 3: That's a Randall salary match, right? What does he makes

1124
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:22,159
in the low thirties we could get there.

1125
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: Who is the.

1126
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:25,679
Speaker 1: Next team you want to talk about? I think we're

1127
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,000
on to the East. Do you have any West teams

1128
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,719
that you need to I.

1129
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 3: Think we are that so I don't know how much

1130
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,280
it matters what order we go in here. Let's let's

1131
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,719
just take uh and these will be quicker, I think,

1132
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,039
because do it the reasons it will become obvious.

1133
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: Let's let me ask you.

1134
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: Let's start here, who is your biggest threat to the

1135
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,199
Thunder in the Eastern Conference.

1136
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,199
Speaker 3: This is so that the teams were thinking, should I

1137
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,760
just lay out that the three options?

1138
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,039
Speaker 6: No?

1139
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,639
Speaker 3: Just no, no, okay.

1140
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: So I want you to know.

1141
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,679
Speaker 1: People to know maybe they think they're team you know,

1142
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:58,920
if you're maybe you're a Wizards fan, think of the

1143
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,920
Wizards's It was so hard.

1144
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: So there's three that I'm considering. I think there's a

1145
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,119
good argument for each of them, but they're very different.

1146
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,360
I will say, the biggest threat to the Thunder in

1147
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,679
the East. Why not is the New York Knicks?

1148
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,119
Speaker 2: Checks in the mail?

1149
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I've mostly just said that so I could

1150
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,800
see like what your face would do. You didn't just

1151
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,079
fall over, so I guess I guess it wasn't as

1152
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,280
So the case for the Knicks is a lot of

1153
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,840
the same logic as Houston applies here. You could maybe

1154
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,440
win a game or two just because of the offensive rebounding,

1155
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,880
assuming Mitchel Robinson can make it through. I'm thinking like

1156
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,920
playoff series context, and we're in the finals. By the way,

1157
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,599
it's good job Nicks if we have to actually think

1158
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,000
about this. Good job anybody we talk about from.

1159
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,119
Speaker 1: So Dan is running bear chasted through the streets.

1160
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not here anymore. Tyler Collack has actually been elected.

1161
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,079
They did a recall election. Tyler Collock is the mayor

1162
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:58,840
of New York. Now, so Mom, Donnie didn't last very long.

1163
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,719
It was fun, but it's it's Tyler Colex town.

1164
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: All those billionaires just vacated the Big Apple so they

1165
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,400
had tap col.

1166
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1167
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1168
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do beyond the because they

1169
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,960
haven't played obviously, none of the three East teams we're

1170
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,880
going to talk about have played the Thunder this year. Obviously,

1171
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,639
the playoff records are non existent as well. So offensive

1172
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:25,679
rebounding size inside and like you've got og, you've got bridges.

1173
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,800
I don't know what you do with Brunson. Defensively, you

1174
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,559
got I guess you probably put him on Dort and

1175
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,639
just hope every he stays out of the way.

1176
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,639
Speaker 1: At this point, put him on Crusoh my god.

1177
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean what else you got with the Knicks?

1178
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,039
Like what are if we're grasping at straws here? Maybe

1179
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:43,159
that I don't want to dismiss the Knicks. I think

1180
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,880
they've got a pretty decent playoff track record. Brunson is

1181
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,840
a handful like this is you know, this is not

1182
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,519
a totally pie in the sky thing, but like, beyond

1183
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:56,400
the Houston logic, what the what gives the Knicks a chance?

1184
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:57,199
Speaker 2: Well?

1185
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: I think just having the fact you might be able

1186
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,800
to maintain the Houston logic while having because heart will

1187
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,960
do a lot of the offensive rebounding two if he's healthy,

1188
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:08,679
and so having mcale Bridges and ogn and ob as well,

1189
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,239
you do have a lot of these.

1190
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: Shifty wings to move around.

1191
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,119
Speaker 1: And I think while McHale Bridges is not the point

1192
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:18,159
of attack defender that really that he's never been.

1193
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: But I guess with the Knicks thought they were trading

1194
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,400
for anyway.

1195
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: I mean, Phoenix Phoenix Bridges was good. Phoenix Bridges was elite,

1196
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,960
I thought, But that guy's long gone.

1197
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,159
Speaker 1: I also think though, like for the cadence at which

1198
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,880
Shaye plays at, you can use McHale bridges in that

1199
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,159
instance because this is where he's gonna struggle. Is a

1200
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:37,719
lot of like the guys who are doing like the

1201
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,559
blow arounds around screens or like have the raw speed,

1202
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,239
and Shade is just more deliberate about the way he

1203
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,199
operates and even looks I was looking at last season.

1204
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,519
The Thunder is a team average point eight seven points

1205
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:51,519
per possession in the two games that McHale played in

1206
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:54,039
against Oka, see like when he was defending Sga on

1207
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,360
those pestionis as a team. And then you also have

1208
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:59,920
you have oj og on J Dubb or do you

1209
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,800
want to put him on someone so that he could roam.

1210
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 2: You could have Josh Hart on J. Dubb.

1211
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: And so I think that there's a chance that the

1212
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,119
Knicks can build lineups where they match up fairly well

1213
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:15,360
defensively against the Thunder. My caveat being with only one

1214
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,440
of Jalen Brunson or Karl Anthony Towns on the floor.

1215
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,199
And I think that's where I start to trip up

1216
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:25,559
on the Knicks thing is because I'll use the Heat

1217
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,199
as an example a team that for much of this

1218
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,360
season has avoided setting ball screens like the Plague.

1219
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: When they have played the Knicks, they.

1220
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,519
Speaker 1: Will just set ball screens to get in the Karl

1221
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:40,440
Anthony Towns Jalen Brunson pick and roll actions, and I

1222
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,639
could see the Thunder like the pain points the Thunder

1223
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:45,199
could press on that are kind of just between him

1224
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,079
and Jay between excuse me, J Dub and Shay would

1225
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:50,880
be absurd. But I just don't even whatever type of

1226
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,400
offense okhomos that he's trying to push for. The Jalen

1227
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,559
bruns and Cornthony Town's minutes I think are potentially a

1228
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:58,480
detriment there, But I don't know if it helps if

1229
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,320
you're really not buying into like when the Thunder shooters struggle,

1230
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,000
it feels like they're struggling. If J Dubb is still

1231
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:09,400
just not super efficient, if Alex Caruso can go through

1232
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,480
these extended ruts, lou Dort going through his own extended

1233
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:16,800
rut like that would probably give them a chance. I

1234
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,519
ultimately feel like their case to where I look at

1235
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,559
Houston specifically, I look at the Knicks and wonder if

1236
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:26,480
their case is too reliant on one of Houston's strengths

1237
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,440
to where Now, if we're trying to look at those

1238
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,639
secondary strengths for the Knicks, what I will get really

1239
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:33,440
hung up on this is more of a weakness. But like,

1240
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,400
do I trust their second best ball handler less against

1241
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,639
the Thunder defense than I do Houston's at this point,

1242
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,239
if we say al Pridge and Gun on the ball

1243
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,519
against Okay, see who's second. Let's say it's Read Shepherd.

1244
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:47,559
I think is probably the answer there. Do I trust

1245
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:52,079
Read Shepherd more than Tyler Kolik? Or is it Bridges?

1246
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:52,719
Speaker 2: Is it og?

1247
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,159
Speaker 1: Is it town the In fact, I don't have an

1248
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:58,239
answer here. Yea, if it's Jordan Clarkson, we've already lost so.

1249
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,199
Speaker 3: A lot of the concer I think the Cat Brunson

1250
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:06,480
piece of it is. That's just a Knicks problem like that,

1251
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,360
and that would come up if we were analyzing their

1252
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,920
chances against any you know, deep playoff opponent. Probably it's

1253
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,199
like you just you just can't play those two guys

1254
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:17,599
together because if another team gets them in enough pick

1255
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,079
and rolls, just it's gonna be a cascade of points

1256
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,800
and you can't come back from that. I don't know.

1257
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,800
I guess the Thunder are probably more even more capable

1258
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,519
of exploiting that than most other teams, so that like, yeah,

1259
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,760
we're gonna we're gonna have to stretch here with some

1260
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,320
of these East teams. Do you want to nominate the

1261
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,199
second of our three East?

1262
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: Struggling?

1263
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm struggling here because there's a team that I I

1264
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,280
my head is saying one team, in my heart is

1265
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:45,960
saying another.

1266
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: Should I go? Should I go head or heart pick?

1267
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: Uh, you're gonna I want you to go with your

1268
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,280
heart pick, And I think I know who it is.

1269
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Detroit Pistons.

1270
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:58,159
Speaker 1: This is coming from someone who has the cat had

1271
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:00,559
the Calves preseason coming out of the Eastern Conference, so

1272
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:03,960
they're gonna feel snubbed, as they should. But I do

1273
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:08,199
not trust Detroit's offense in the half board against Okay

1274
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:11,079
see at all. It is Kane and there's basically nothing

1275
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,079
else at this point, Like you just don't have the

1276
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:15,840
shooting in Holland ANDSR Thompson. Can you play both of

1277
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,000
those guys with Duran to really even maximize your defensive benefits?

1278
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,800
They haven't played a ton together just yet, but defensively,

1279
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:27,360
my god, you have Duran and Stuart and Holland and

1280
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,559
Thompson and oh, by the way, you have Kane too,

1281
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,880
who's just like you could field lineups to where there's

1282
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,280
not a single defensive weakness on there and you just

1283
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:38,519
one you.

1284
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: Just I don't know what to space. I mean, the

1285
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,880
Holland Tsar Duran thing makes me uncomfortable.

1286
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: And then you're never gonna score, but you can go.

1287
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: You might as well try it though against the Thunder

1288
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,880
at that point. And so from that perspective, I if

1289
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,639
you were to strike lightning in a bottle, the Calves

1290
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:55,880
feel as if they have a better chance of beating

1291
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,280
the Thunder than maybe any team in the East. But

1292
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,840
if we're looking trying to balance the floor and the

1293
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,639
ceiling the Pistons defense with what the Thunder offense is

1294
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:07,280
looking to do at least right now, and then you

1295
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,000
factor in how much they have struggled on wide open

1296
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,239
jumpers relative to the rest of the league, like this

1297
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,079
is a team like maybe they could turn the thunder

1298
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:16,559
over a bunch, or if they're just gonna be able

1299
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:18,480
to control the glass, like if you don't have to

1300
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,079
go up against a set.

1301
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,719
Speaker 2: Thunder defense consistently.

1302
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: Because that's a concern about the Knicks too, is how

1303
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,800
much will their offense have to go up against a

1304
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,239
set Thunder defense because the Thunder were able to score

1305
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,039
since their defense is kind of shaky and they've been

1306
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:35,280
bottom ten over like the past month plus, Detroit, you

1307
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,119
just don't have to worry about that. And you want

1308
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,559
to talk about think about the number of fouls they're

1309
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:41,199
gonna be called this.

1310
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I and I was thinking, obviously, Detroit

1311
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,239
allows the highest opponent free throw rate by a ton,

1312
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:50,679
so there's a there's a there's a way this goes

1313
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:53,679
where Shay shoots seventeen free throws a game, and this

1314
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,840
you know, none of this is close because the Pistons

1315
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:57,760
just can't stop fouling.

1316
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: Who's more likely to fill out in this series, Isaiah Stewart,

1317
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:03,320
Thompson or Jalen Durant.

1318
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:06,519
Speaker 3: The Thompson because he's gonna be on one on somebody

1319
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:10,079
that's gonna say yes, Yeah, I was about to say

1320
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:14,320
stop it, Isaiah Stewart. But I think built into that though,

1321
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:19,199
is a pretty clear indication that the Pistons are very

1322
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:23,639
comfortable playing a style that the Thunder are comfortable. So

1323
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,760
like again, I'm just looking for teams that aren't going

1324
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,559
to be shell shocked right away, and the Pistons are

1325
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,480
like they're they're here for the physicality and the the

1326
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:34,480
up tempo, like they'll maybe not up tempo, but just intensity.

1327
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:39,199
I guess that would be of these three options of

1328
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,239
Nick's Pistons and team to be named later, although I

1329
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:45,199
think you did mention them a second ago. I would

1330
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:48,119
want to see the Pistons series most just because I

1331
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:51,639
think Detroit would just be so gnarly and so like

1332
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,360
so like more physical than even in the regular season,

1333
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:58,320
just because that's like, well, that's our strength. That's what

1334
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,119
we're going to lean into a lot of like the

1335
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,920
Houston not the offensive rebounding so much, but like between

1336
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,840
Duran and Stewart physical physicality wise, like You're and Thompson

1337
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,239
and kid like all in Holland everybody we mentioned on

1338
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,480
the Pistons is like not gonna be bothered by physicality

1339
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,639
or the thunder as everyone sees even get bowling all

1340
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:17,880
the time, like well they.

1341
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,239
Speaker 1: Even be able to penetrate within fourteen feet of the basket.

1342
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 3: Like they're just gonna get held up in fact, like yeah,

1343
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:26,079
it's it's gonna be It would be a man, it

1344
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:27,639
would be a it would be a low score. It

1345
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:29,199
would have to be a low score. Well, a lot

1346
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:31,039
of free throws, though, I just don't know what this

1347
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,599
series would look like. I know would be physical, but

1348
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:35,000
I would want to see this most.

1349
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,559
Speaker 1: You know What's interesting because I picked them before getting

1350
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:43,320
the next team, I find myself thinking about we. I

1351
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,679
guess I'm valuing more a team that can go punch

1352
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:47,960
for punch with the Thunder defense rather than shouldn't I

1353
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,239
be looking at, well, what offense can we be crack

1354
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,159
this Thunder defense? And I wonder if I'm kind of

1355
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:54,280
thinking about it backwards, because then the answer would be

1356
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:55,239
the next team.

1357
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:57,039
Speaker 2: But we did. We did it again.

1358
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,719
Speaker 1: What would be the trade target archetype for the Knicks

1359
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:02,880
that would make you feel better about them going up

1360
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,320
against the Thunder.

1361
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,679
Speaker 2: I think you could cut it. I think it goes

1362
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:07,480
one of two ways.

1363
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: Is that it's either a ball handler or you need

1364
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,159
another someone who could guard as the point of attack

1365
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:15,719
that has more size than a deuce McBride.

1366
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I was gonna say there's maybe a third way,

1367
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:21,000
which is like, I don't know who this player is,

1368
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,679
but another guy that can give you five out spacing.

1369
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,239
But that isn't just a massive defensive liability, and I

1370
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,760
don't know who that guy is, Like, if there's two

1371
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,840
of them, Miles Turner like Andez from like a few

1372
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,639
days ago when he was really good again.

1373
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,159
Speaker 1: Ago, Well, Brandon Carlson's on the thunder Maybe they give.

1374
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,639
Speaker 3: Them a call or there you go.

1375
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,039
Speaker 1: Problem solved for the Pistons, though what I think we

1376
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:49,960
know what the trade tart would be, but how would

1377
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,400
you feel if they were to address.

1378
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:53,199
Speaker 2: What everyone wants them to do?

1379
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,559
Speaker 1: And so I think the names that are mentioned the

1380
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:57,960
most with them are Lowry market In or Michael Porter Junior.

1381
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,760
At this point, this sounds because Larry Marketen is a

1382
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,079
seven foot but like if the Pistons traded from Michael

1383
01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:07,039
Porter Junior, I might be on board with the Pistons

1384
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,760
against the thunder Way more than like obviously I'd feel

1385
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,599
better about them in general, but I would be I'd

1386
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:15,719
feel better about the Pistons against the thunder than I

1387
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,599
would if they had Lowry Markin or maybe even not

1388
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:21,760
more than trade Murphy. But like that's kind of the

1389
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,199
like MPJ on the Pistons, I think would make this

1390
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:27,519
just way more of an intriguing series. And that would

1391
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:30,400
be in theory the benefit of you're not getting rid

1392
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,559
of any of the players we basically mentioned. It's Tobias

1393
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:34,920
Harris plus more money, and that's how you're using to

1394
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:35,559
get MPJ.

1395
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,679
Speaker 3: Yep, you're upgrade. You're getting someone that's better at literally

1396
01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:43,360
everything that you have Tobias Harris currently doing right. And

1397
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,679
I think I do think on a team like the Pistons,

1398
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:47,679
as we've gone through several times and listed all these

1399
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:51,239
like just defensive and physical monsters, you can and this

1400
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,079
is an MPJ necessarily, it's what you would have called

1401
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,960
him last year, Like you can accommodate a specialist. MPJ

1402
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:00,920
is apparently not that he's apparently more well rounded and

1403
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:03,400
capable as an offensive player. But like if you've got

1404
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,760
a four other guys that just guard and rebound and attack,

1405
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,400
you could get away with one guy. I think that

1406
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:15,000
you're not super confident in defensively, and even like you said,

1407
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,199
MPJ did some good lowman stuff while hurt last postseason

1408
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:21,039
for Denver, you could even I guess what I'm saying

1409
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:25,239
is you could even have like a more niche guy

1410
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,760
than MPG in that spot, Like if it was trying

1411
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,000
to think of just who is just an absolute lights

1412
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,519
out shooter that like you don't love doing anything else.

1413
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:35,239
I don't know who that guy is anymore because they're

1414
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,599
they're fewer and fear like I mean, I guess I'm

1415
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:39,960
kind of describing Duncan Robinson. So maybe this is a

1416
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:43,719
better on the team, you know what I mean? Though,

1417
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,719
Like the Pistons don't need a perfect defensive superstar, you

1418
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,800
know what I mean, Like it can just be a gunner.

1419
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: It's the same with because you can't say that about Denver.

1420
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,280
You can't say that. I don't even think you could

1421
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,840
say that about Minnesota. You could say about Houston.

1422
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe.

1423
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we have a question from Andrew. Anyway,

1424
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:08,000
Detroy could keep Tobias and add MPG, they would have

1425
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:10,880
to give up Isaiah Stewart in that scenario to help

1426
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,360
make the money work, and so I would say out avoid,

1427
01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:17,119
I want Stewart in the lineup again, you have Robinson,

1428
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:17,679
but you still.

1429
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say done since now I want

1430
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,400
to remove him from the team since I just described

1431
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,079
him as what they needed. Yeah, he makes sixteen Yeah

1432
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:29,239
you still have to Ivy's probably in that trade. You're

1433
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,480
at like twenty seven million there.

1434
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Kris Lavert LeVert, you can get get there.

1435
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:36,199
Speaker 2: You can get there.

1436
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 3: But that's exactly the kind of trade. It feels like

1437
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,440
the Pistons have just said, like, we're not we're not

1438
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:42,280
gonna do that. We're gonna trust what we have, We're

1439
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,599
not gonna put picks on the table. We're not gonna

1440
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:47,159
make that kind of move. Unfortunately. Like if I'm the Pistons,

1441
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:51,719
maybe that's just great posturing, but this like continued professed

1442
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:55,519
unwillingness to take a little bit of a swing. I don't.

1443
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:57,719
I don't like it. I guess the verbiage is like

1444
01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:00,480
they'll there'll be an opportunistic but not a great I

1445
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,880
think you can be aggressive if you're the Pistons. I don't.

1446
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,440
I wouldn't mind it.

1447
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:09,239
Speaker 1: Mike, you'd have to describe to me what aggressive means,

1448
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,280
because if they don't want to give up three or

1449
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,480
four first round picks to go get Trey Murphy or

1450
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:16,159
Lowry market and I kind of understand, it's where it's, oh,

1451
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:18,000
we don't have to give up as much to get MPJ.

1452
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 2: Maybe Trey Murphy.

1453
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: You could talk me into I'm not gonna lie if

1454
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,800
you it was three first round picks and like a

1455
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,159
young player of Sasser and j and Ivy for Trey Murphy,

1456
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:28,239
whatever it ends up being, I probably do it just

1457
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:30,199
because he's so cheap moving forward and you gotta pay

1458
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,119
during worry about paying Nasar Thompson. But oh, this is

1459
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:37,960
a good question. Would you trade Asar Thompson as the Pistons.

1460
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:40,400
What if it was for Trey Murphy? So you're lowering

1461
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,920
your pick equity. You still have Ron Holland.

1462
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would trade Ron. Can I do Ron Holland instead?

1463
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:48,119
Speaker 2: Question?

1464
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,599
Speaker 3: I Man, I don't think I would. And I think

1465
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:56,079
that's because you if you're the Pistons, I don't think

1466
01:07:56,119 --> 01:07:58,280
I have to that's a little bit of a cost.

1467
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,280
So no, I wouldn't to get there. I got other

1468
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,840
ways to get there. You don't need to be that

1469
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:06,320
Like you've got the picks, you've got the salary. I

1470
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:07,960
would rather trade a bunch of picks because I think

1471
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,679
if I'm the Pistons, All, okay, cool, you got the

1472
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:14,199
twenty sixth pick in several drafts. Congratulations, Like I would

1473
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:16,520
trade several picks before I would moved to Thompson, just

1474
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,039
because I think there's a the best version of the

1475
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:24,079
Pistons has Thompson on it and also huge caveat he's

1476
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:27,159
not a complete liability as a shooter, like that's that's

1477
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:30,800
apex Pistons is Thompson matures gives you something on offense

1478
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,640
and his first team all defensive guy.

1479
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:35,079
Speaker 2: Would you trade Ron Holland for trade Murphy?

1480
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? I would, I think so, I like I think,

1481
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,239
isn't it hard to imagine both of those guys playing

1482
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:47,199
major roles on a good, really good Pistons team unless

1483
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:49,359
one or the other becomes.

1484
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,359
Speaker 2: Like this, like this Pistons team, I would say that.

1485
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying there's another level the Pistons could get to.

1486
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,079
It's just those two guys have such similar limitations, right,

1487
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:02,279
I just it's hard for me to imagine that. What's

1488
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:04,000
the what's the precedent for that working?

1489
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: I do wonder though we're not that we're missing the point.

1490
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:10,680
But also Trey Murphy, Lowry Market and Michael Porter, who

1491
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,079
is who are you trusting with the ball aside from

1492
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:14,640
Kate against the thunder defense?

1493
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't mind Marketing because Market is just gonna

1494
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,359
put it down and go straight line driving dunk. He's

1495
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,600
not gonna like you're not asking him to make plays.

1496
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,680
I guess is that is that the question like who.

1497
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 1: Do you who? Who would be your who would be

1498
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,800
your second pick on the pistons? Right now, it's probably Karroslovert.

1499
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,520
Do we think it's Donnis Jenkins?

1500
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:39,279
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I forgot about him? Maybe I mean he's yeah, No,

1501
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:39,800
I think that's.

1502
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:42,359
Speaker 1: Saying none of the guys we mentioned, even Trey Murphy,

1503
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,600
really address that part of a concern about there. They

1504
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,439
might open up the floor, but I don't know how

1505
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,439
much that's gonna do against like the thunder a gonna throw, Like,

1506
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,319
I just who's gonna punish the thunder if they decide

1507
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:57,079
to throw even three guys at Kate.

1508
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 3: Well, So I I think I think this is a

1509
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,199
diferent situation than Minnesota because Gobert being on the floor

1510
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:06,119
for Minnesota makes getting the ball out of Edward's hands

1511
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,760
like if you throw it to Gobert on offense, it's

1512
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,640
like win as a defense because he's gonna babble it,

1513
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,520
he's gonna turn it over, he's gonna take it. So

1514
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:18,239
like substitute Duran, who, Yeah, Duran's gonna just drive it

1515
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:21,720
against the shifting defense and score or decent enough passer

1516
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,600
with some highlights in there that I trust it a

1517
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:29,199
star Thompson can pass like there. It's not the same penalty.

1518
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:31,920
Even though this, I think strategically that you should still

1519
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,279
just make someone besides Kate beat you. I don't think

1520
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,359
the Pistons suffer as much as Minnesota might with that strategy.

1521
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:41,680
And that was the last thing I wanted to say,

1522
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:47,079
is like we haven't given until now given enough bandwidth

1523
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:50,520
to like, how how do the Pistons score? Like the defense? Yeah,

1524
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,920
sure they match up well physically defensively whatever. I do

1525
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,920
think Kate is one of the hardest guys. It's not

1526
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,479
like Luca level, but the comparison exists for a reason,

1527
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,920
like one of the hardest guys to speed up. So

1528
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:04,680
I think like you could throw, you can have Dort

1529
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,399
try to beat the shit out of him. You can

1530
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,279
have Caruso Crusoe and Caseon Wallace try to, you know,

1531
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,439
get their hand on every dribble. I think Cad is

1532
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,720
better equipped than almost anybody to just like, no, guys,

1533
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,239
we're gonna this still is gonna happen at my pace.

1534
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,399
I do think he's really really good at that and

1535
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,880
gives the Pistons like I don't know again to use

1536
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,760
it overuse term like the puncher's chance, because I don't

1537
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,439
think you get Kaid to like he's gonna turn it

1538
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,239
over because he does, but like I don't think you

1539
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:36,000
force him into like this frenzied state that you would

1540
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,199
see a lot of other ball handlers get into.

1541
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,159
Speaker 1: No, but he also has the skill of being able

1542
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,239
to kind of toggle where if like he needs to

1543
01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:46,640
play off of some live balls more faster that he might.

1544
01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:49,600
I just on the season, so we're not even talking

1545
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,840
like they're eighteenth and first chance offense, and so I

1546
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,439
just do you lean on Durren Stewart lineups to try

1547
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,039
and offset that against the thunder.

1548
01:11:58,079 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: That's it's there.

1549
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 3: You make an aggressive trade. You make an aggressive trade.

1550
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: But don't trade not too aggressive though, because grantsar Thompson's

1551
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,239
off limits can't tell this. Let's talk about the Calves, Okay,

1552
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,560
don't in theory? Is this the team that you should

1553
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,279
maybe feel not the not even the best about. But

1554
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,399
we just talked about having I know they're bigger on defense,

1555
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:26,199
but you want dynamic attack attackers on offense. Between mobiley

1556
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,520
and even having a Sam Merrill and then Darius Garland

1557
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,239
and Donovan Mitchell. Shouldn't we feel better about this team?

1558
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:35,000
And having waited until now to talk about them relative

1559
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,359
to the other their Eastern Conference brethren.

1560
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 3: Well, compared to the Pistons being the heart pick, they are,

1561
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,439
they're the head pick. They're just like, well, they won

1562
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,520
sixty four games, they haven't been healthy yet, Like we're

1563
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,000
the pendulum swung too far towards the calves are cooked

1564
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:47,760
all that stuff, Like.

1565
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I why are a stat on that? Can you?

1566
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: Would you care to guess how many minutes that the

1567
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:55,239
poor four on Cleveland has played the game?

1568
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:57,399
Speaker 3: I actually knew this down to the possession like a

1569
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,279
couple of days ago. And of course, because it's me,

1570
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:02,319
I can't remember. It's like three hundred something possessions if that,

1571
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,800
but I don't know what that is. Eighty one minutes? Yeah, nothing,

1572
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:07,279
not a lot.

1573
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:10,079
Speaker 1: And by the way, in those eighty one minutes, they

1574
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,920
have a pretty damn good net rating twenty four point

1575
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,319
three and a one thirty one point six offensive rating.

1576
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,840
And so if you were to kind of reverse and

1577
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,000
we've spent a lot of time with these teams talking

1578
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,800
about like defense going up against defense, I sometimes wonder

1579
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:27,560
is the way to reverse engineer. This is like, what's

1580
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,880
the offense that in theory could stand the test of

1581
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:35,520
the Thunder defense? And in the East specifically, it's Calves

1582
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,720
are Knicks end of list, And I think what's our

1583
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,960
problem with the Knicks is we're not gonna trust the

1584
01:13:41,039 --> 01:13:44,000
secondary creators Like Tyler Koley gives you a I'm being

1585
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,720
dead serious here, gives you a different type of dimension.

1586
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,960
But him against oh, like, they're not gonna guard him

1587
01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:52,439
from beyond the arc, and they might guard Jordan Clarkson,

1588
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,560
but Jordan Clarkson might guard defend Jordan Clarkson off the

1589
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,800
floor at that point. So the Calves just had like

1590
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,159
an lest you believe that Darius Garland is just and

1591
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:04,720
he's had better moments lately, Like is the toe going

1592
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,560
to be fine? Can he generate the same kind of

1593
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,680
speed and wiggle when he's on the ball?

1594
01:14:09,239 --> 01:14:10,119
Speaker 2: This is the team?

1595
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: Like, if you want to trust the offense in the East,

1596
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,760
who is the what's the next offense that you would

1597
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,199
trust to score against the Thunder?

1598
01:14:17,239 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: Is it Denver?

1599
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: I guess we're people gonna pick the Spurs now after

1600
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:20,960
having watched those games.

1601
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, that's it. I don't. I think, yeah,

1602
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:29,640
I think it's here. I think it's the healthy Calves

1603
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:33,640
with all their best players in the game, Denver, New York,

1604
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,880
and that's it. Like I don't know, I don't know

1605
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,000
who else you'd even put up there. I think, Look,

1606
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:45,119
it's easy to look at Cleveland's like general postseason disappointment

1607
01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:50,279
trend and then also cite like two small guards, like

1608
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,560
the thunder is just gonna eat these guys alive, Like

1609
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,920
that seems like, but then it's like, well, Donovan Mitchell

1610
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,319
just shows up in every playoff series, and maybe that's

1611
01:14:57,359 --> 01:14:59,000
like maybe that gets you. I always look at these

1612
01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,000
as like how am I gonna get game? Like I'm

1613
01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:03,199
I think you get a Donovan Mitchell game where he

1614
01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:06,920
scores forty seven points and like that that's a win. Okay,

1615
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,399
So now you need three more, Like I think Mobiley

1616
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,159
and Chet like one or the other is the better

1617
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:14,439
player back and forth on a given night, so you

1618
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,680
kind of cancel each other out. I mean, so much

1619
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,680
of this, well, maybe are we overlooking the importance of

1620
01:15:22,119 --> 01:15:25,239
all the other guys that Cleveland has been without this year?

1621
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:27,520
You know, the big four are usually like non negotiable

1622
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,439
strus balls coming gone? Who else am I I don't know.

1623
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: I assum Dan Wade has been pretty available his play

1624
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,000
his uh right.

1625
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 3: Like they just I guess maybe you don't need quite

1626
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,520
as much of that in a playoff series if we're

1627
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,840
trying to imagine it, but you need some like what

1628
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,880
is Mitchell breaks down every postseason Garland you know was

1629
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,600
hurt last year, Like you're gonna need something there offensively, Yeah,

1630
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,680
the best version of the Calves. I mean, didn't they

1631
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,000
weren't they basically record setting last year, like as an

1632
01:15:57,039 --> 01:15:59,640
offense is the best we've seen, so so like that

1633
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,640
has to be the.

1634
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 2: Playoffs they weren't.

1635
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: Thats been That's also been some I know they've been

1636
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,880
banged up, but they after having just said that, they're

1637
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,079
kind of just the champions of excuses to and I

1638
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:13,560
mean that in the sense of they always can point to, well,

1639
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,640
this is why we just didn't live up their expectations.

1640
01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:17,840
So maybe there is a little bit well is this

1641
01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:20,800
postseason proof? And then also what I'm thinking about it

1642
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,039
too is we asked this question about every other team,

1643
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:25,239
what's the sort of archetype of player that you would

1644
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:27,479
want to add to them? The motion up against the

1645
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,279
thunder and the fact that it's the answer has to

1646
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:34,239
be overwhelmingly another wing defender who preferably doesn't kill your

1647
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:35,560
offensive spacing.

1648
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 3: This is like a Wiggins sweet spot to me, I think,

1649
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,840
or someone somewhere like that. Maybe Herb Jones, Yeah, I

1650
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,960
very yeah similar. Jones is probably a better defender at

1651
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,359
this point, but I think Wiggins might be still better offensively.

1652
01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:52,319
Speaker 2: Especially he's a better two way player for sure.

1653
01:16:52,119 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 3: If you need like because if you if you sell out,

1654
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,880
if you just say, like, hey, Herb Jones beat us

1655
01:16:57,079 --> 01:16:59,520
versus hey, Andrew Wiggins beat us, Like Wiggins will get

1656
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,279
to like it won't be great shots, but he'll get

1657
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:03,840
to shots. I think, yeah, yeah, it's it's got to

1658
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,920
be that because there's no you're unless you're gonna be

1659
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,680
like get rid of Jared Allen and let's get like

1660
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,279
a really big physical center next to mobile or no

1661
01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:12,319
no center next to mobile at all, like you're really

1662
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,319
you're you're tinkering a lot.

1663
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,279
Speaker 1: That would be the appeal of Wiggins, because I guess

1664
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,199
Herb Jones is pretty strong, but like you could use

1665
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:20,439
Wiggins at the because they've used Max Struce at the four.

1666
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,159
But like Wiggins at the four versus DeAndre Hunter. Max

1667
01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:25,199
Drew's at the four is probably better.

1668
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,239
Speaker 3: Wiggins like on Holmgren for example. I think Wiggins like,

1669
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,119
he's okay there if that's what you have to ask

1670
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:31,600
him to do.

1671
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: But I guess the benefit there is Wait, I honestly

1672
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,840
I think against the Thunder, I might prefer to have

1673
01:17:39,319 --> 01:17:41,840
Wiggins with both bigs versus cause I think there's a

1674
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,159
real conversation about is Mobley better off as the five?

1675
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:47,000
But thinking about the Thunder being able to have Jared

1676
01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:51,119
Allen put like put him on who is it? I

1677
01:17:51,159 --> 01:17:52,640
guess it depends on if the Thunder are going to

1678
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,600
a big or not. But put Jared Allen on the

1679
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,239
worst shooter and have him play off might be the

1680
01:17:57,279 --> 01:17:59,760
way to go there. And so yeah, I think I'd

1681
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,600
feel better about a Wiggans Allen. Mobily said, I think

1682
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,039
for the Thunder series you need to not like dual

1683
01:18:05,079 --> 01:18:07,319
big lineup would probably be super important for Cleveland.

1684
01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:09,159
Speaker 3: So do you think it's still fair to say, because

1685
01:18:09,319 --> 01:18:12,399
talking through this it's been hard to differentiate. Do you

1686
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,319
think it's fair to say though that none of these

1687
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:18,600
three East teams present as big a threat to the

1688
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,960
Thunder as I mean, any of the West teams we

1689
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,479
went through. Or is that because talking about it, it's like, yeah,

1690
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,399
the Cavs have a shot, Yeah, the Knicks have a shot. Yeah,

1691
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,640
you know you can get there if you squint with

1692
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,239
pretty much everybody. But so is the East still just

1693
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:34,439
like we don't like, we don't like there odds as

1694
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,760
much as any West team. Or is there a West

1695
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,479
team you'd knock out below these East teams?

1696
01:18:40,039 --> 01:18:43,600
Speaker 1: No, if I had to out, I don't even know

1697
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,119
who I would knock out. I feel inclined to say Minnesota,

1698
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:49,119
but I just knowing what we've seen the past few

1699
01:18:49,159 --> 01:18:51,439
postseasons and how they get up against the good teams,

1700
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,439
I don't even First of all, I don't even know

1701
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,520
which East team I would put above the team kick

1702
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:57,560
out is the problem?

1703
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,119
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, it's it's tough, may feel a little unfair.

1704
01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:04,840
The good news is like, I don't know, we're not

1705
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,640
gonna We're only gonna see one of these teams from

1706
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,000
the East against the Thunder at most, so we'll never

1707
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:11,119
get it proved wrong.

1708
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:13,199
Speaker 1: We had two people say this tongue in cheek and

1709
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:14,960
the chatter maybe they were serious that they said the

1710
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,039
Celtics with Tatum.

1711
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 3: Oh that's fun. I mean I still can't get there.

1712
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,359
But but that's that's a that's a good dark horse one.

1713
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would just depend too much. Okay,

1714
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,399
what does Jason Tatum look like coming back from torn Achilles?

1715
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,840
And then they'd still be I know, the Thunder aren't huge,

1716
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,439
but they'd still be pretty small on the front line,

1717
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,239
like Cada might not being there. Luca Garz like, I

1718
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:41,399
just don't I feel like they're bigs in that matchup

1719
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:42,319
might get eaten alive.

1720
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,039
Speaker 3: I think I think that's true.

1721
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: So who Grant, mister Grant Hughes, who is your single

1722
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,159
biggest threat to the Oklahoma City Thunder repeating his NBA

1723
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:53,119
champions this year?

1724
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 3: I want to say Denver, but three wins is three wins,

1725
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,000
and I have to say the Spurs because of the

1726
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:04,680
whimby of it all, because of the guard depth, because

1727
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,399
of the athleticism, because they can just kind of they

1728
01:20:07,399 --> 01:20:10,279
can play how the Thunder want to play successfully. But

1729
01:20:10,359 --> 01:20:13,640
it's just like it's the track record that like, I

1730
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,520
don't know, maybe I'm a recency bias has really taken

1731
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,880
over here, But I do think the Spurs have things

1732
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,199
they can do against the Thunder that a lot of

1733
01:20:22,199 --> 01:20:22,800
teams can't.

1734
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,520
Speaker 1: Because I am a twenty five year old adult today, yes,

1735
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,399
I'm going to take the response what I think is

1736
01:20:28,399 --> 01:20:31,520
the responsible choice. And for all this, we spend a

1737
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,479
lot of time just dissecting how defense matches up against defense.

1738
01:20:35,119 --> 01:20:38,439
I trust the Denver Nuggets offense to figure out ok

1739
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:39,680
C's defense.

1740
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: More than any any team that we've just mentioned.

1741
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,319
Speaker 1: And a lot of that is if you're looking at

1742
01:20:44,319 --> 01:20:46,640
what the Spurs were able to do, incredible and they

1743
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,680
might be uniquely built to be a thunder foil, but

1744
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,359
you're dealing with a lot of just what a Dylan

1745
01:20:52,399 --> 01:20:54,720
Harper and Steph Castle and even Wemby look like in

1746
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,039
their first playoff series type stuff.

1747
01:20:57,039 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 3: That's why you're right. This is why you're right.

1748
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,199
Speaker 1: That's the argument, and I think you also, even if

1749
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:05,720
the Spurs are playing at their peak, no one, if

1750
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,039
Nikola Jokic is healthy, no one is going to be

1751
01:21:08,039 --> 01:21:10,520
able to figure out the thunder defense better than him.

1752
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,359
And this version of Jamal Murray that we've gotten this season,

1753
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,720
maybe you want to see some different type of things

1754
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,159
from him in the non Jokic minutes, Those non Jokic

1755
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:21,399
minutes don't really fucking exist when you're going into the playoffs.

1756
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 2: At that point.

1757
01:21:22,079 --> 01:21:25,279
Speaker 1: And I think what's interesting about the Nuggets is I

1758
01:21:25,279 --> 01:21:27,800
don't view them as an elite defensive team, but I

1759
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,560
think that the best lineups are their most important lineups

1760
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,039
have the ability to really tread water. And we saw,

1761
01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:35,680
I mean it helps that we saw a kind of

1762
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,399
proof of concept against the Thunder there. So my two

1763
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,199
stipulations would be health with Jokic is just it's a throwaway.

1764
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:45,720
If he's not healthy, doesn't matter, Like Aaron Gordon is

1765
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,359
the feels like the second most important nugget ironically in

1766
01:21:49,359 --> 01:21:52,399
a Thunder series, and so if he's available, they're going

1767
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:53,159
to be my pick.

1768
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 3: Well, and it should be understood that literally every one

1769
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,279
of these Thunder threats has to be fully healthy or

1770
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:02,840
it's or it's just like it's a non starter.

1771
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:04,359
Speaker 2: Like, well, can I.

1772
01:22:04,319 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: Ask the question who is the second most important player

1773
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,199
in a Thunder series on the Spurs?

1774
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: Wemby's won right for you?

1775
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 4: Uh?

1776
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, second most important player against the Thunder.

1777
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:17,279
Speaker 1: Uh.

1778
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 3: I mean you probably should say Fox, but I'm really

1779
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,920
tempted to say Castle just because he above all is

1780
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:28,239
just like he's he's a thunder player, you know what

1781
01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:31,079
I mean, Like he he belongs on the thunder in

1782
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:34,560
terms of like his athlass, physicality and defensive mindset and

1783
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,720
all that stuff. I think you probably have to say

1784
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:42,479
Fox because to tide your Denver pick, like Fox is

1785
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,760
the only guy on this unless you're gonna say Harrison Barnes.

1786
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,800
Really that like understands what the playoffs look like, understand

1787
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,199
Like the reason my Spurs pick is dumb is because

1788
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,880
really they're going from out of the playoffs to knocking

1789
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,800
off a historic ending champion, like the Nuggets have seen it.

1790
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,880
The Nuggets have been to where the Thunder have been,

1791
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,239
like and I do I know it's like coach speaker

1792
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,760
or not analytical at all, but like that just matters.

1793
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,479
So the Nuggets have that experience and the Thunder and

1794
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,720
the Spurs don't. So yeah, like I guess that makes

1795
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,279
Fox the pick. Do you think it's someone other than Fox?

1796
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,279
Speaker 1: On San Antonio, I really think you could make a

1797
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:27,479
case for Julian Champenny's I think, honestly, I think you

1798
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,159
could make it. Casso would be the one to make

1799
01:23:29,159 --> 01:23:31,680
the case. I was tempted to say Dylan Harper, just

1800
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,119
because if you're looking for someone who might be able

1801
01:23:34,119 --> 01:23:36,720
to create something out of nothing, he's gonna be able

1802
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,119
to after Fox, it would be him, and he's might

1803
01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:41,960
There's been moments where it's, oh, he's better defensively than

1804
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,119
their Fox already.

1805
01:23:43,399 --> 01:23:46,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, and what's he gonna look like in

1806
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:47,840
two months? Like I think Harper is one of those

1807
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,399
guys that's just like he'll be an all star by then.

1808
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,279
Speaker 1: Of all the guards, who do you trust you're getting

1809
01:23:54,319 --> 01:23:57,079
like thunder pressure at the basket, who do you trust

1810
01:23:57,159 --> 01:23:58,319
most to finish at the rim?

1811
01:23:58,359 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: It might already be Dylan Harper.

1812
01:24:00,319 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 3: Well, Castle will try. We know that Castle will just

1813
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,960
try to dunk it from wherever he is or just

1814
01:24:05,279 --> 01:24:08,039
like fly into people. But Harper's finishing packages are just

1815
01:24:08,079 --> 01:24:11,640
like that guy's gonna be He's gonna be here already,

1816
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,199
is one of the best like guard finishers. It's gonna

1817
01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:17,119
be at least aesthetically, but I think his conversion rates

1818
01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:19,479
are just gonna eventually be ridiculous.

1819
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: Well, we have successfully figured out our own biggest threats

1820
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,319
to the Oklahoma City Thunder this season. It is now

1821
01:24:25,399 --> 01:24:33,399
time for it is stat padding time and grant. We've

1822
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:35,520
got a lot of fun stat padding stuff. I'm excited

1823
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,279
about today's stat padding. I'm not gonna lie.

1824
01:24:37,399 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 3: I'm nervous because of your excitement levels. It always is

1825
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,319
the difficulty rating raises the more excited you are.

1826
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to I think we should build up to

1827
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,720
what I'm most excited about. So I'm going to start

1828
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,159
you with the one that is still awesome, but that

1829
01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:55,199
I am least excited about, and we can work our

1830
01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:55,640
way up.

1831
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,560
Speaker 2: So are you ready, sir?

1832
01:24:58,239 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 3: So ready?

1833
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: Rants Seven NBA players have at least five career triple

1834
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,520
doubles in which they did not get ten assists. How

1835
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,960
many of these seven players can you name? I will

1836
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,720
give you three strikes.

1837
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 3: Triple doubles without the assists.

1838
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: They got it with steals or blocks plus rebounds in

1839
01:25:19,039 --> 01:25:20,720
points mostly all right?

1840
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 3: Well, uh I I mean kim O Lajahwan.

1841
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 2: That is correct. One of seven.

1842
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,079
Speaker 1: He's tied, fun fact, tied for the most all time

1843
01:25:35,119 --> 01:25:35,560
with ten.

1844
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 3: So I will I think that's the We're gonna stay

1845
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,800
in this vein here because I think the ten blocks

1846
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,000
are just easier than the ten steals. So I will

1847
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:49,119
go David Robinson, he is on the list as well,

1848
01:25:49,279 --> 01:25:53,960
third place with eight. I will seven strikes do Keim

1849
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,760
Big Matumbo he is second all time with well, he's

1850
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,119
tied for first. Excuse me ten, you got the top three.

1851
01:26:02,279 --> 01:26:06,600
That's impressive. Oh I want to I'm gonna I think

1852
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,720
I'm gonna burn a strike here and guess. Oh actually,

1853
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:12,560
I'll say I gotta throw a shack out there.

1854
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: You can that strike one?

1855
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,079
Speaker 3: Damn it? Oh now, I'm not really hesitant to burn

1856
01:26:17,119 --> 01:26:20,640
my next strike. I'm gonna burn it anyway. Uh one,

1857
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:21,920
Mark Eaton.

1858
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,079
Speaker 1: He is tied for the so it's tied for fifth place.

1859
01:26:26,079 --> 01:26:27,720
There's seventh players. But he has six.

1860
01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:33,039
Speaker 3: Okay, so we got Eton Matmbo, Elajuan, David Robinson. There's

1861
01:26:33,079 --> 01:26:34,560
one other guy. I gotta get here.

1862
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:36,039
Speaker 2: You have three more?

1863
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I'm never getting three more. So I know

1864
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,159
if we if we go all the way back to

1865
01:26:42,199 --> 01:26:44,800
eat So how about Sean Bradley.

1866
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 2: You're on fire. That's number five.

1867
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:52,079
Speaker 3: He had six. I gotta go minuw bowl.

1868
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 2: That is incorrect strike too.

1869
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 3: I don't want I'm not gonna say your dmira, Sean.

1870
01:27:01,239 --> 01:27:04,079
I don't think he played enough. Man. Who else is

1871
01:27:04,079 --> 01:27:07,079
getting ten blocks? There's gotta be some obvious ones. Can

1872
01:27:07,119 --> 01:27:09,560
you tell me what placed on the list? My guys

1873
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:10,640
I don't have yet are.

1874
01:27:12,039 --> 01:27:16,319
Speaker 1: They are fourth with seven and then the final top

1875
01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:19,399
three way tie for fifth with six one, and I

1876
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:23,760
will say one of them should probably be overwhelmingly obvious,

1877
01:27:24,279 --> 01:27:26,560
Tim Duncan strike three.

1878
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,640
Speaker 3: You know what couldn't be happier to go out guessing

1879
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:31,439
Tim Duncan.

1880
01:27:31,239 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Though, well, we need Tim Duncan haters. We are casting

1881
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:40,119
the part. Okay, Kareem was I thought you would have

1882
01:27:40,119 --> 01:27:42,239
got him, and then you never would have gotten Elmore

1883
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:43,920
Smith at six.

1884
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:47,279
Speaker 3: Not gonna happen. Yeah, Kareem's tough because like you can't

1885
01:27:47,279 --> 01:27:50,880
get like Will probably you know, had fifty of those games,

1886
01:27:51,279 --> 01:27:53,680
but you can't guess him because they didn't do blocks

1887
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,800
back then. I always lump Kareem in there with like

1888
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,159
they didn't track blocks until late in his career or something.

1889
01:27:59,159 --> 01:28:00,199
I don't even know if that's right.

1890
01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So when I was by the way I was,

1891
01:28:02,199 --> 01:28:04,279
when I was filtering it and I tried to do it.

1892
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,239
Who got triple doubles without doing it with rebounds? There

1893
01:28:07,239 --> 01:28:09,119
was five guys and they all did it once and

1894
01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:10,880
you would have I don't even know if you would

1895
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:11,720
have known who.

1896
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:12,239
Speaker 2: Three of them were.

1897
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,359
Speaker 1: So because it's a steel was one of them, because

1898
01:28:15,359 --> 01:28:18,760
then it's steals, blocks, points, and assists, and so it's

1899
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,479
easier to get a triple double without assists than without rebounds,

1900
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:21,920
for sure.

1901
01:28:22,359 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Draymond did it without points, didn't he against Memphis

1902
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,880
like several years ago? I think I.

1903
01:28:29,239 --> 01:28:33,119
Speaker 1: Did it without point that's the most that.

1904
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 3: Okay, that was fun. What else you got or you

1905
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:37,520
want me to go here?

1906
01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:40,359
Speaker 1: Uh, let's do I'll do my next one before we

1907
01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:43,520
go to you. I'm very I'm very excry about all these.

1908
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:48,680
If you can't tell Grant, guess which NBA team I'm

1909
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:53,960
talking about by only hearing these player nicknames, that's a

1910
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,079
bad way to phrase it. Guess the NBA team from

1911
01:28:56,119 --> 01:28:58,439
their player nicknames. How's that for simplification?

1912
01:28:58,880 --> 01:28:59,399
Speaker 3: Succinct?

1913
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:03,279
Speaker 1: And they the goal here was I tried to get

1914
01:29:03,359 --> 01:29:06,600
make them progressively easier. So what you get a hard

1915
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,439
one and if it's a one shot kill, good for you.

1916
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,560
And you only get one guess and then we move

1917
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:11,560
on to the next name.

1918
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 3: Are you and I guess after each nickname? Or I

1919
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,319
get Yeah, I don't want to wait for all the Okay, cool,

1920
01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:18,680
got it, you get you guess.

1921
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 2: I'll give you a nickname.

1922
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,039
Speaker 1: You will guess, and if it's wrong, we move on

1923
01:29:21,119 --> 01:29:23,079
because I can't give you unlimited gain.

1924
01:29:23,119 --> 01:29:24,159
Speaker 2: There's only thirty teams.

1925
01:29:24,199 --> 01:29:29,359
Speaker 1: There's a number of like you're just running through the alphabet.

1926
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, easy, well, struggle.

1927
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Okay, guess the NBA team from their player nicknames. First up,

1928
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:37,479
the Air Apparent.

1929
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:45,680
Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, question, are these nicknames of current active players?

1930
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: These are all yes, these are all active players on

1931
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:49,319
the current teams.

1932
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 3: The Air Apparent. Hmmm, Shadon uh, Portland Trailblazers.

1933
01:29:56,079 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 2: That is incorrect.

1934
01:29:57,319 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Second, Wolverine.

1935
01:30:02,199 --> 01:30:06,039
Speaker 3: These nicknames, these basketball reference nicknames, there's like it's like

1936
01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:09,279
they workshop like, what's what's something no one's ever called

1937
01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:11,640
this player? There it is, that's the nickname we'll put

1938
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:17,760
on his basketball reference page. Wolverine the Phoenix Suns.

1939
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 2: That is incorrect. Next up, Benjamin Buckets.

1940
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 3: I mean that should that should be easy? Who are

1941
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:29,159
who are?

1942
01:30:29,359 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 5: Is?

1943
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 3: That's not the giveaway nickname?

1944
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: Is it?

1945
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 2: No?

1946
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: So there's five nicknames per team. I guess there's a

1947
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,760
nickname that refers to two. So it's like building a

1948
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:37,800
starting lineup of nick.

1949
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 3: I mean, how many Ben's are there? Benjamin's in there

1950
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:51,640
in the NBA. I don't know Ben Wallace. I'll just

1951
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,079
say the sixers, I have no idea.

1952
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: That is incorrect. Swaggy l.

1953
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:02,119
Speaker 3: Utah Jazz, that is incorrect.

1954
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: The final one and you better get it. He'll Billy

1955
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,760
Kobe little bit Lakers.

1956
01:31:08,279 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 2: That is correct. That's so hill.

1957
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 1: Billy Kobe's Austin Reeves. Swaggy l was Luka Doncic. I

1958
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,560
thought you might have gotten it on Benjamin Buckets with lebron.

1959
01:31:17,359 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I was going down. Who's named Benjamin in

1960
01:31:21,039 --> 01:31:22,640
the NBA? I was never gonna get there.

1961
01:31:23,239 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Wolverine was Marcus Smart. I wouldn't have known that one.

1962
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: And the heir apparent was Bronnie James, which I'm sure

1963
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:29,560
now makes a ton of.

1964
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 3: Sense to you. Yep, No, it does, No, it does.

1965
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 2: Okay, next team.

1966
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:39,399
Speaker 1: First nickname, Cocaine Curry.

1967
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,079
Speaker 3: That's I've been bagging on these nicknames. That's a good one, Uh,

1968
01:31:44,319 --> 01:31:47,439
Cocaine Curry. So does that mean this is a white player,

1969
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:52,880
or this is a player that is very energetic, or

1970
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:54,680
that has a screenplay he really wants to tell you

1971
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:55,800
about and won't shut.

1972
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,239
Speaker 1: Up about it or likes to go to you. Edm

1973
01:31:59,279 --> 01:32:03,520
Concerts say he's got a lot of side interests. Uh,

1974
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:10,359
the thunder incorrect? The Terror twins. So this refers to

1975
01:32:10,399 --> 01:32:14,279
two players on the same rockets. Correct, that's on Men

1976
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:17,159
Thompson and tari Eathan the other two nicknames. You would

1977
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:20,279
have gotten green Room for Kevin Durant and then I

1978
01:32:20,279 --> 01:32:22,239
know you would have gotten this big Kiwi.

1979
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,079
Speaker 3: So his reed shepherd Cocaine Curry and I didn't know.

1980
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 1: And that's exactly that's could you describe? Could you encapsulate

1981
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,520
his game in a better framing than that?

1982
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:33,039
Speaker 2: Probably not?

1983
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 7: Probably?

1984
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 2: Not all right?

1985
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,239
Speaker 1: Next up nine to five.

1986
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:44,239
Speaker 3: Hm, he's workmanlike. Sounds like Harrison Barnes. This is the Spurs.

1987
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 2: That is incorrect.

1988
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:51,199
Speaker 1: Next nickname smooth Operator. I could sing it to you too,

1989
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,279
He's a smooth Oh.

1990
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:57,520
Speaker 3: Now I have it. I would like all the clues sung.

1991
01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:02,680
That's how my brain works. Sorry, I don't know it's okay,

1992
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,359
smooth Operator. I did think Josh Smith first. But these

1993
01:33:06,359 --> 01:33:11,239
are active players. Uh. Did I guess the thunder? I'm

1994
01:33:11,239 --> 01:33:13,880
gonna guess the thunder again again?

1995
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: When you already h No, not them? Next nickname Ivy Drip.

1996
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 3: Hmmm the Pistons correct.

1997
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: Uh So Kate Cunningham was smooth Operator nine to five

1998
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,319
is a sar Thompson I had is the giveaway was

1999
01:33:32,399 --> 01:33:34,920
Kate Cunningham again, Motorcade. If you didn't get that one,

2000
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,600
I would you've gotten it on Jimmy Neutron.

2001
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I would have for Duncan Robinson. Yeah.

2002
01:33:43,359 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 2: Next up Blue Arrow.

2003
01:33:48,359 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 3: Nuggets.

2004
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,239
Speaker 1: One shot killed it with Jamal Murray. I feel like

2005
01:33:52,279 --> 01:33:54,000
that shouldn't have been That shouldn't have been the first

2006
01:33:54,039 --> 01:33:58,600
one we had. Biggie Small's for Bruce Brown, Big Science

2007
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,880
for you Wanna found You to? This one is my

2008
01:34:02,119 --> 01:34:04,479
favorite nickname of all time and I didn't even know

2009
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:08,920
it existed. Girth Nowitzki for Nikola Jokic.

2010
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 3: Why is why is Valcuns big Science?

2011
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't know he is a beard?

2012
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 3: Well, isn't Jonas? Isn't Jonas or Jonas Salk a scientist?

2013
01:34:24,039 --> 01:34:28,720
Somebody somebody in the comments verify my trivis. That's a

2014
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,640
problem is that makes too much sense for most of

2015
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,279
these nicknames, so it probably isn't that.

2016
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: I feel like Nicole j has the best nicknames that

2017
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,760
aren't his nicknames Big Honey is just awesome. But we

2018
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,520
just call him the yoker or yoke and that's just lame. Uh.

2019
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,560
Speaker 2: And a giveaway one was Swatson for Peyton Watson.

2020
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:49,279
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, but I don't know why. I know

2021
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:52,840
the Blue Murray does the the archery celebration on threes

2022
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,399
still right because because of that, Yes he does.

2023
01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:59,359
Speaker 2: And he he's also called maple Curry. I didn't know that.

2024
01:34:59,359 --> 01:35:02,399
What you've gotten it it well, it would have been.

2025
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:07,079
Speaker 3: I would have had to maybe maybe you have to

2026
01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:09,319
name some Canadians. Obviously it narrows the field.

2027
01:35:10,119 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Excellent one shot kill by you. Next up two more

2028
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:25,119
white Steve Nash.

2029
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 3: Uh Tyler colec New York Knicks.

2030
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,119
Speaker 1: One shot back to bear shot kills.

2031
01:35:26,399 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 2: That's incredible.

2032
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,399
Speaker 3: It's the floppy hair. Colic has very floppy hair for

2033
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:34,199
a basketball player. That's very nash esque. Ste is hilarious.

2034
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 1: Incredible stuff from you big body. Let's even guess the players.

2035
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:39,359
Speaker 2: Now it's over.

2036
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:45,199
Speaker 3: But big body, big body, uh Yabo right now?

2037
01:35:47,119 --> 01:35:49,399
Speaker 2: Yabu was le bear. That was gonna be.

2038
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 3: Big body uh ariel hook PORTI no, I have no idea.

2039
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,119
Speaker 1: John Brunson, it's one of his nicknames. Sure, perfect noodles,

2040
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,399
that's my favorite. That's Bridges, Oh, you would have got okay.

2041
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:08,359
And then the giveaway one was the Big Bodega.

2042
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,159
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, and that's Cat Yeah. The Knicks have apparently

2043
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:12,079
some obvious ones.

2044
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

2045
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: Final final team. I guess the NBA team by their

2046
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:24,479
player nicknames. Grant Sleeve Nash it's incredible nickname.

2047
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:27,039
Speaker 3: By the way, that is really good. It's just clean.

2048
01:36:27,239 --> 01:36:29,319
It's what it takes perfect. There's no there's no fat

2049
01:36:29,359 --> 01:36:35,680
on that one. Sleeve Nash. A lot of Nash based nicknames. Uh,

2050
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:42,119
who's got sleeves? That's the kind of Steve nanashy. I

2051
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:45,199
don't know. I U the Thunder again, Alex Crusoe.

2052
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,319
Speaker 2: Not the Thunder nice try though. The Vanilla Gorilla.

2053
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 3: Uh, well, first of all, that's Joe Joel Prisbilla. Who's

2054
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:55,840
the center that I have not thought about for a

2055
01:36:55,920 --> 01:37:00,000
long time. And it rhymed, so that's why it made sense.

2056
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:04,079
I don't know who has taken Vanilla Gorilla from him

2057
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:05,039
since he retired.

2058
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 4: Uh.

2059
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:12,199
Speaker 3: I want to guess the Thunder again because Heartenstein. I won't.

2060
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:16,800
Let's see, I don't know. Pass give me the next clue.

2061
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 1: Okay, sleek freak sleep What is these are?

2062
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:22,079
Speaker 2: Another?

2063
01:37:22,399 --> 01:37:25,359
Speaker 1: I didn't know this one, but it's honestly it's top notch.

2064
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:34,920
The Raptors incorrect. Next one up, the don give me

2065
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,800
the Lakers again, I did not incorrect.

2066
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 2: Final one and you better get it.

2067
01:37:40,079 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 1: Fro oh the Calves, Yeah, Jared Allen.

2068
01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 3: So the don is just Who's Who's sleeve sash?

2069
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 2: So the don was Donovan Mitchell.

2070
01:37:50,039 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: I was actually worried that that should be the giveaway one,

2071
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:54,359
but I was right in saying that it shouldn't.

2072
01:37:54,359 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 2: Frow was Jared Allen. Sleep freak was Evan Mobley. I

2073
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:57,399
like that one.

2074
01:37:58,319 --> 01:38:00,520
Speaker 1: You're dying to know who the Vanilla Gorilla is? That's

2075
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:04,319
dem Yeah, sleeve Nash is Darius Garland. I love that one.

2076
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 3: Interesting. I don't picture him in sleeves. I guess I

2077
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,560
gotta update my mental image.

2078
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 2: So do you want to give me yours? That was looked?

2079
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,720
That was that was way more excited for that than

2080
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:13,960
you were.

2081
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 3: There are some that was good.

2082
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,520
Speaker 1: There's some fun nicknames throwing around on Basketball Reference and

2083
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,520
read it as well, but most of these were called

2084
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,880
from a Basketball Reference.

2085
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:24,119
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, Dan, for you, I have put together

2086
01:38:24,199 --> 01:38:28,680
today an incredibly poorly timed Lebron centric set of stat

2087
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:32,880
padding questions. The theme is loosely, the answer is not

2088
01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:37,239
Lebron because he leads in so many categories since he

2089
01:38:37,359 --> 01:38:39,760
entered the league in O three oh four that you

2090
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,359
could just blind guess that he has the most of

2091
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:47,600
a lot of things points for example, but in games

2092
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,680
and minutes and blah blah blah blah blah turnovers. I'm

2093
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,119
going to give you statistical categories that dating back to

2094
01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:58,359
three oh four, Lebron is not the leader in somebody

2095
01:38:58,399 --> 01:39:00,720
else is. So I think what I could do is

2096
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,560
give you I'm gonna give you three strikes per category,

2097
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:07,560
and you need to get totals yep, total cumulative total,

2098
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,000
so like not per game, just from O three oh four,

2099
01:39:11,319 --> 01:39:14,239
Who's got the most of this? And it's not Lebron?

2100
01:39:14,319 --> 01:39:16,600
And I can then subsequently ask you where you think

2101
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:20,039
Lebron ranks is like a follow up in that stat category,

2102
01:39:20,359 --> 01:39:23,439
so we know points is Lebron. Let's go to rebounds.

2103
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,680
Lebron does not have the most rebounds dance since O

2104
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,079
three oh four. Who does?

2105
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh three h four is a long time,

2106
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,439
But I feel like I should have the license to

2107
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,880
be able to go more recent like who's been in

2108
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,279
the league a while grabs a ton of boards?

2109
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:43,680
Speaker 2: Is it Yokic?

2110
01:39:44,279 --> 01:39:46,359
Speaker 3: It is not Jokic. And I will tell you now,

2111
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,239
Jokic will not feature in any of these to give

2112
01:39:49,279 --> 01:39:52,840
you a sense of like what generation like you're gonna

2113
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:56,800
you're gonna get eventually slotted into like a generation of players,

2114
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:01,039
oh and be like from that group. So like Jokic,

2115
01:40:01,279 --> 01:40:04,960
I'll tell you now, Jokic, Giannis, Shay, like all these

2116
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,399
guys of the last like half decade plus are not

2117
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:08,439
gonna feature here.

2118
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 2: Uh Drummond.

2119
01:40:12,319 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 3: Drummond is third. He is not the leader in this category.

2120
01:40:16,039 --> 01:40:17,199
Good guess strike two?

2121
01:40:18,039 --> 01:40:22,359
Speaker 2: Who's in? Who's a big I'm missing these?

2122
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:25,119
Speaker 1: These are not my answers. I'm just spitballing here. So

2123
01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:29,159
bonus is too recent. Feels like there's Rudy Gobert, there's

2124
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:29,960
Clint Cappella.

2125
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 3: My god, I will tell you that. I'll give you

2126
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:41,000
a hint. The the fourth and fifth ranked guys in

2127
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:43,319
rebound sin so three oh four are still in the league.

2128
01:40:43,399 --> 01:40:44,039
Number one is not.

2129
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,399
Speaker 1: Number one is not in the league as good. I

2130
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:56,920
was not even thinking about retired players. Uh, not in

2131
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:02,800
the league. That's too late to pick a shack. Who

2132
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,079
am I forgetting? Is it?

2133
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:08,399
Speaker 7: No?

2134
01:41:09,039 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 2: I just cool? Botch a girl my face?

2135
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:15,520
Speaker 1: I think basically, uh, oh man, this is hard.

2136
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:16,039
Speaker 2: I love this.

2137
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,560
Speaker 3: I want to give you. Would you take some hints?

2138
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:23,039
Do you want some hints? So this guy's best best

2139
01:41:23,079 --> 01:41:27,520
stretch of rebounding per game started in seven eight and

2140
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:32,720
ended in twelve thirteen. He averaged fourteen point two, thirteen

2141
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:36,720
point eight, thirteen point two, fourteen point one, fourteen point five,

2142
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:42,000
twelve point four over that stretch from basically eight to

2143
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:42,800
to thirteen.

2144
01:41:44,079 --> 01:41:46,640
Speaker 2: All right, it's not Roy Hibbert. I know he couldn't rebound.

2145
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 3: There you go, I.

2146
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,079
Speaker 1: Don't even have like I'm there's not even a name.

2147
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:55,159
I'll punish myself when I hear it. So the best

2148
01:41:55,159 --> 01:42:01,560
stretch started in seven eight. Yep, this is this answer

2149
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,880
has to be so obvious. There's gonna be people listening

2150
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:04,199
right now.

2151
01:42:04,199 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 3: There are, so I will say. When I saw the answer,

2152
01:42:07,079 --> 01:42:09,199
I was like, well, okay, of course, but also I

2153
01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:12,279
wasn't gonna guess this guy like it's that kind of

2154
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,720
it's that kind of like, oh yeah, I forgot about him,

2155
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:18,680
but you don't associate. I'll give you another one. You

2156
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,279
don't associate him with rebounding so much. It was just

2157
01:42:21,319 --> 01:42:25,000
sort of part of the deal. Like rebounding is not

2158
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:26,600
the first thing you think of with him, You think

2159
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:27,640
of something else first.

2160
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:30,520
Speaker 2: I should have guessed Russell Westbrook. But he's still in

2161
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:31,000
that league.

2162
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: Started best oh seven o eight, done by twelve thirteen.

2163
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 3: He played until twenty twenty two.

2164
01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 1: I feel like that probably should help me, and it doesn't.

2165
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 3: I was done being a good, good player in like fourteen.

2166
01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:52,720
Oh holy crap, well done being a great player. He

2167
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,039
was like decent through seventeen eighteen.

2168
01:42:56,199 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even have a name here. You've

2169
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:00,880
efficiently frozen me.

2170
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:01,359
Speaker 2: Who is it?

2171
01:43:01,359 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 3: It's a big name. I could give you the obvious hint.

2172
01:43:04,199 --> 01:43:07,279
Do you want the obvious hint? Yeah? Hit man. He

2173
01:43:07,319 --> 01:43:09,439
won Defensive Player of the Year three years in a

2174
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:14,239
row from eight on. God damn Dwight Howard. He has

2175
01:43:14,359 --> 01:43:19,039
dan fourteen thousand, six hundred and twenty seven rebounds. James, well,

2176
01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:23,239
I'll spoil it. James is second at eleven thy eight hundred.

2177
01:43:23,159 --> 01:43:25,319
Speaker 1: Like Howard is so so.

2178
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:28,039
Speaker 3: But again, like you don't think of rebounding, it's just like, well, yeah,

2179
01:43:28,079 --> 01:43:30,920
he's the best big man athlete in the world. Like,

2180
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:31,720
of course, that's a.

2181
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,279
Speaker 2: Day moment where it's like, damn it.

2182
01:43:34,279 --> 01:43:36,319
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't have guessed him. I would have guessed

2183
01:43:36,319 --> 01:43:40,399
all the guys you did. DeAndre Jordan fourth, vouch fifth,

2184
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:41,880
just hanging on vooch.

2185
01:43:42,119 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 2: Uh extendam Chicago.

2186
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,560
Speaker 3: You're going to redeem yourself here, Lebron James. Dan is

2187
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,439
not number one in total assists since two thousand and three,

2188
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:51,600
two thousand and four. Can you tell me who is

2189
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:56,600
Chris Paul? That is correct? Twelve five point fifty two

2190
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:00,800
versus eleven six eighty two, So Lebron is gonna catch

2191
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:05,760
Chris Paul over probably for most second. Yeah, I guess

2192
01:44:06,039 --> 01:44:07,640
you want to think. You want to take cracks at

2193
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:12,199
the rest of the top five. There big names. Harden

2194
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:18,199
Harden is fourth eighty five hundred and fifty three, Russ

2195
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:22,560
Russ's third, ten fifty seven and fifth is a ways

2196
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,760
behind those last two guys.

2197
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: But you can't stay with Steve Nash, is it? I

2198
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:34,359
would get it. It's Nash, So it was all right,

2199
01:44:34,399 --> 01:44:36,359
here we go another one. I think you will get Dan.

2200
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,520
Speaker 3: Lebron James does not have the most steals since two

2201
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:41,399
thousand and three, two thousand and four, Can you please

2202
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:42,119
tell me who does?

2203
01:44:44,039 --> 01:44:52,079
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Is it also Chris Paul?

2204
01:44:52,359 --> 01:44:55,399
Speaker 3: It also is Chris Paul had a pretty good career,

2205
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:59,079
good job, who got a big Lee twenty seven and

2206
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:00,920
twenty eight? Lebron's twenty three sixty?

2207
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

2208
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:04,119
Speaker 3: Do you want to take shots at three four and

2209
01:45:04,199 --> 01:45:07,039
five on that list most steels since three oh four.

2210
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 2: Oh three h four?

2211
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,520
Speaker 1: Honestly, probably not, But let me see if I can.

2212
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,399
Is is Dwayne Wade on there?

2213
01:45:14,079 --> 01:45:16,239
Speaker 3: That's a good He's not where he showed up on

2214
01:45:16,279 --> 01:45:18,399
some other list. We'll get maybe we'll get to it.

2215
01:45:19,319 --> 01:45:22,960
He's not on the list. I think, Uh, you just

2216
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,880
got it? Like who just minutes? Like I mean, that's

2217
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,079
that's that's my only hint. Like who's just played a

2218
01:45:29,119 --> 01:45:29,880
ton forever?

2219
01:45:32,039 --> 01:45:32,199
Speaker 2: Oh?

2220
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:35,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I could just name twenty guys, but I'm

2221
01:45:35,279 --> 01:45:37,039
not gonna name anything like one of them because nobody's

2222
01:45:37,079 --> 01:45:37,760
breaking to mind.

2223
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 2: So it's not Kawhi he said play It's.

2224
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,600
Speaker 3: Not Kawhi correct, although it is per minute. Probably is

2225
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:43,039
up there?

2226
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, who is it?

2227
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 3: It's Russ has over two thousand and number three. Andre

2228
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:52,000
Goodala is fourth and we're not there. Yes, And James

2229
01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:54,439
Harden that's the minutes think him in the rush?

2230
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,560
Speaker 1: He actually he was the only name that came to

2231
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:57,960
my mind when you were saying, guys, you played a

2232
01:45:57,960 --> 01:45:59,479
ton of minutes, and in my head I said, there's

2233
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:00,960
no way, There's just no way.

2234
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:07,159
Speaker 3: Let's see, well, Lebron, James Dan is nowhere close to

2235
01:46:07,359 --> 01:46:10,640
first in blocks since two thousand and three, two thousand,

2236
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:16,920
Derek White, No, not twenty three to twenty four minutes ago.

2237
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,479
So who has the most blocks in so three oh four?

2238
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 2: Is it Victor Webbin? I'm just catch that does knock out?

2239
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:27,760
Is it Dwight Howard? Again?

2240
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:31,119
Speaker 3: It is White Howard Bye. Well, not by as much

2241
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:35,239
as you might think. Brook Lopez is second twenty eighty

2242
01:46:35,239 --> 01:46:37,199
five to Howard's twenty two to twenty eight.

2243
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:38,359
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

2244
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:44,279
Speaker 3: Does Lebron rank fifteenth higher or lower than fifteenth? On

2245
01:46:44,319 --> 01:46:47,600
the blocks four? He's lower twentieth.

2246
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 1: Is he even gonna make the Hall of Fame at

2247
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:51,159
this point?

2248
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 3: What a bum block a shot? Tim Duncan makes his appearance,

2249
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,319
he's third on that list, even.

2250
01:46:57,079 --> 01:46:59,319
Speaker 2: Though when did he finish playing? I guess that was

2251
01:46:59,359 --> 01:47:00,319
the mid you.

2252
01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:02,520
Speaker 1: Had like six good years before this.

2253
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if we've slid the window back a little bit,

2254
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:09,720
he'd be up there. All right, what's most interesting here?

2255
01:47:13,359 --> 01:47:17,640
The three is easy? Okay? How about this is okay? Uh?

2256
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,000
Are you answer to this? One? Is the answer to

2257
01:47:20,039 --> 01:47:22,800
this is Lebron James? Uh So this is going to

2258
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:26,560
bump on the premise here, uh Dan, Lebron James has

2259
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,920
the most two point field goals made since oh three

2260
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:35,159
oh four by a laughable margin. Who is second on

2261
01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:45,880
that list? I'll give you three. Kevin Durant is third.

2262
01:47:45,079 --> 01:47:54,239
Speaker 1: Second and made two pointers since three oh four. I

2263
01:47:54,279 --> 01:47:57,520
don't want to say, but I should say now and

2264
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:58,439
get the strike out of the What.

2265
01:48:01,159 --> 01:48:05,520
Speaker 4: Is it?

2266
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:06,079
Speaker 2: Russ?

2267
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 3: Is not Russell Westbrook?

2268
01:48:09,319 --> 01:48:12,600
Speaker 1: Damn it is it James Harden?

2269
01:48:13,079 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 3: It's not James Harden. See he's That's why it's hard,

2270
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,039
because he's way up there in points. But it's like

2271
01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:21,880
threes and free throws. So think about think about who

2272
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:24,960
you would. The problem is the era. It feels like

2273
01:48:25,159 --> 01:48:27,079
it's too early for this guy, but it's really not,

2274
01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:30,399
because he's been around forever, still active. Who's just like

2275
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,880
making two's who's just making tons of twos?

2276
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,520
Speaker 2: DeAndre Jordan it's not a.

2277
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 3: Big It's not a big, which makes it even crazier.

2278
01:48:42,399 --> 01:48:50,399
Speaker 1: Just making two's. It's not steph Nope, are he's still around?

2279
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:52,600
Speaker 2: Is not?

2280
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 3: No, that's a good guess. I see a lot of

2281
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:58,920
those right obo jumpers. I would say you would, you

2282
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:02,840
would definitely associate like much higher shooting volume with this

2283
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:06,239
player than you would Chris Paul making and taking a

2284
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:06,840
lot of twos.

2285
01:49:09,239 --> 01:49:10,079
Speaker 2: DeMar DeRozan.

2286
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 3: It is DeMar DeRozan, great guess, Like when I saw that,

2287
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:14,319
I was like.

2288
01:49:14,359 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 2: Great guest after eh strikes.

2289
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 3: No, you could have given me so many just for

2290
01:49:19,039 --> 01:49:23,439
perspective though, so DeRozan has made as when I put

2291
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:25,920
these together, because he's probably made twenty five more since

2292
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:29,600
eighty six and forty one twos in that time span,

2293
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,239
and he got started later than Lebron by by a

2294
01:49:32,279 --> 01:49:37,039
handful of years. Lebron has almost five thousand more made twos.

2295
01:49:37,359 --> 01:49:39,880
They's just like ten thousand points just right there than

2296
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:44,920
the second most prolific two point scorer. It's like, it's

2297
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,079
it's bonkers, all right, I'm going to get you a

2298
01:49:48,079 --> 01:49:52,920
couple more here. So again bumping the premise, uh, Lebron

2299
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:55,479
is not it is in fact, first in free throws

2300
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:57,640
made since O three oh four. Can you tell me

2301
01:49:57,960 --> 01:49:58,760
who is second?

2302
01:50:00,359 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 2: James Harden?

2303
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:03,279
Speaker 3: That's correct? Do you want to keep the run going?

2304
01:50:03,279 --> 01:50:04,920
You have a third?

2305
01:50:05,399 --> 01:50:09,239
Speaker 1: Ooh no, just call it? Try to think a ton

2306
01:50:09,239 --> 01:50:13,000
of fouls? Did Rush shoot a ton of free throws?

2307
01:50:13,359 --> 01:50:17,640
Speaker 3: Uh? He did? He is their fourth, fifth, sixth, Damn

2308
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:21,199
that list and made free throws. Shout out Kobe showed.

2309
01:50:21,279 --> 01:50:24,359
Kobe shows up only here, He's seventh and made free

2310
01:50:24,359 --> 01:50:25,960
throw since O three oh four. Just too much of

2311
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:27,079
his career was before that.

2312
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Where's Kate?

2313
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:30,399
Speaker 2: Kd's not on the top five kas?

2314
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,640
Speaker 3: Katie's third? Katie's right after hard Yeah? And then our

2315
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:37,680
guy DeMar de Rosen right there behind one, one spot

2316
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:39,760
ahead of Mellow. Mellow shows up on a few of these.

2317
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:41,319
He was up there on the two point field goals.

2318
01:50:41,319 --> 01:50:44,439
I thought you might name him for that. Is there

2319
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:46,199
any other weird one I want to do here?

2320
01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:47,279
Speaker 1: Uh?

2321
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:52,079
Speaker 3: Let's see now, I think I think I think we're good. Oh,

2322
01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:55,399
let's do this is fun. Lebron James leads every player

2323
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:57,960
on the planet in turnover since O three oh four

2324
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,600
fifty ten? Who second?

2325
01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:02,079
Speaker 2: Russ?

2326
01:51:02,119 --> 01:51:03,399
Speaker 3: Correct? Who's there?

2327
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:10,079
Speaker 1: Ah?

2328
01:51:10,199 --> 01:51:12,279
Speaker 2: I know it's not him. I want to ask where

2329
01:51:12,319 --> 01:51:13,000
he ranks on.

2330
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,039
Speaker 1: This because he's so high up, and it says, where's

2331
01:51:16,079 --> 01:51:16,840
Chris Paul rank?

2332
01:51:18,279 --> 01:51:20,239
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he's not in the top five

2333
01:51:20,359 --> 01:51:21,119
in turnovers.

2334
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:22,239
Speaker 2: It's impressive.

2335
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: Uh is it Harden?

2336
01:51:27,359 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 3: It is Harden, You're on fire? Followed by Durant, fall

2337
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,800
by Wade. This is Wade's only appearance, I think his

2338
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,520
turnovers Unfortunately, all right, that was fun. I won't do

2339
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,840
minutes because that's just Chris Paul is second again and

2340
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,359
Chris Paul the takeaway. Here's Chris Paul shows up on

2341
01:51:41,399 --> 01:51:43,800
a lot of these, Chris Paul and Dwight Howard already

2342
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:44,199
or like.

2343
01:51:45,079 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 1: Someone argue he shows up too much and it might

2344
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:48,560
cost him his job.

2345
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he shows up and he talks a lot,

2346
01:51:51,279 --> 01:51:54,359
it seems like. But yeah, that was fun. You did well,

2347
01:51:54,399 --> 01:51:56,079
I thought, because I think we're messing with an era

2348
01:51:56,199 --> 01:51:59,079
that's a little bit before some of your basketball fandom starts.

2349
01:51:59,079 --> 01:52:01,960
So I'll because you're only twenty five, so how could

2350
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:06,119
you possibly know about Yeah, about three or four.

2351
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,239
Speaker 1: Now we left it to the end two hours. This

2352
01:52:08,319 --> 01:52:09,760
is the one I'm most excited about.

2353
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:10,079
Speaker 2: Grant.

2354
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:13,159
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hit or miss here. But you have

2355
01:52:13,279 --> 01:52:19,239
to guess the NBA player by hearing only their voice.

2356
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,600
Oh are you ready?

2357
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 3: Oh I'm excited?

2358
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:26,239
Speaker 2: So you're ready?

2359
01:52:26,279 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 3: Is what is?

2360
01:52:27,039 --> 01:52:27,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2361
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ready. I turn my I turned my volume up.

2362
01:52:30,079 --> 01:52:31,319
I'm I'm gonna smoke this.

2363
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 1: I So we'll give you three strikes per player. I

2364
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:36,640
will replay it as much as you want.

2365
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,159
Speaker 2: But okay, here, let's go.

2366
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:45,640
Speaker 1: There's this guy on their team that's seven five and

2367
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:47,920
takes up a lot of space on the court.

2368
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:49,279
Speaker 3: Uh.

2369
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:52,680
Speaker 1: Now I should have mentioned that these will I try

2370
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:55,399
to stage them in leg so there'll be three levels

2371
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:57,399
and they go into order of increasing difficulty.

2372
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 3: Can I just say you're going above and beyond right now?

2373
01:53:01,079 --> 01:53:04,720
This is this is fantastic. H that's Jayalen Williams and

2374
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:06,760
it's recent. So you really did put one on a

2375
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:07,439
platter for me.

2376
01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:13,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, the NBA player voice.

2377
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 5: From being at the bottom and you know, almost getting

2378
01:53:16,039 --> 01:53:18,720
the job done. You know I have unfinished business here

2379
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:22,000
from being at the bottom and you know, almost getting

2380
01:53:22,039 --> 01:53:24,760
the job done. You know I have unfinished business here?

2381
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:31,079
Speaker 3: Oh boy, uh I had it. I want to say,

2382
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:33,439
Dylan Brooks, but it's not Dylan Brooks. I'm gonna take

2383
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:34,319
the strike on that one.

2384
01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 2: I think I strike one.

2385
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,399
Speaker 3: Okay, can you play it one more time? This is

2386
01:53:37,399 --> 01:53:40,079
gonna be terrible podcasting because I'm I'm gonna ask you

2387
01:53:40,119 --> 01:53:41,239
so many times replay it.

2388
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:44,359
Speaker 5: From being at the bottom and you know, almost getting

2389
01:53:44,399 --> 01:53:47,079
the job done, you know, I have unfinished business here.

2390
01:53:49,239 --> 01:53:54,319
Speaker 3: This is killing me, Dan oh Man, a little about me. Uh,

2391
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:58,479
when we're watching like when we're watching like animated movies,

2392
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,720
it annoys every everybody in my house that I'll be

2393
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:07,560
like that's, uh, that's Scarlet Johansson, or like, oh that

2394
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:10,399
was a more obscure than that, like someone that I

2395
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:12,319
feel like I have a I'm good at picking out

2396
01:54:12,319 --> 01:54:16,600
the celebrity voice one more time and then I'm just

2397
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:17,439
gonna have to eat it.

2398
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 5: From being at the bottom and you know, almost getting

2399
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,439
the job done, you know I have unfinished business here.

2400
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:29,199
Speaker 3: I am going to be so mad when you tell

2401
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:30,319
me who's two strikes?

2402
01:54:30,319 --> 01:54:36,239
Speaker 1: By the way, I'll say, kid, that is incorrect strike too.

2403
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:39,479
Speaker 3: From being at the bottom, I feel like I can

2404
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:46,800
remember this SoundBite too. I have unfinished business here, Oh Dan, Uh,

2405
01:54:47,279 --> 01:54:48,960
I really like this, but I hate that I'm not

2406
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:52,079
going to get this one uh, one more time. It'll

2407
01:54:52,119 --> 01:54:53,319
be the last time I asked you play it.

2408
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 2: You're allowed to ask as many times as you want

2409
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:56,039
to hear.

2410
01:54:56,239 --> 01:54:58,199
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to listen to it. Everyone that knows it

2411
01:54:58,199 --> 01:55:01,000
has already like just thrown their computer out the window.

2412
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:04,119
Speaker 5: From being at the bottom and you know, almost getting

2413
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:06,840
the job done. You know, I have unfinished business here.

2414
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 3: See now I'm just ignoring the voice and trying to

2415
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,600
figure out, like from the content of the quote.

2416
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:17,479
Speaker 1: I am starting to think that I should have put

2417
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:19,880
this player on level three rather than level.

2418
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 3: But now I'm terrified a level three?

2419
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 2: Uh, who don't.

2420
01:55:24,399 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 3: Finished business here? Being at the bottom. God damn it,

2421
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:36,800
I don't even have a guess. I'll say, I have

2422
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:39,199
no idea. I have no idea.

2423
01:55:39,319 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't even have a name for you. You don't

2424
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:42,920
have to give me strike three and tell me. I

2425
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,920
have to know strike three And it is Devin Booker.

2426
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:51,479
Speaker 3: God damn it. Uh, that's his He's.

2427
01:55:51,279 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 1: One of those guys where his voice just takes you

2428
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:55,199
by surprise.

2429
01:55:56,199 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 3: I just like, I don't know. I watched he did

2430
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:00,880
a postgame interview like three days that I watched, and

2431
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,000
I couldn't get there. This is not a good sign

2432
01:56:03,239 --> 01:56:05,640
for level three. All right, great, great stuff by you,

2433
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:06,399
bad stuff by me.

2434
01:56:06,439 --> 01:56:10,439
Speaker 1: I need redemption grant, I guess the NBA player's voice.

2435
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,840
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, this same my height. Now it's close

2436
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:14,880
that the plus enough.

2437
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:18,079
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh.

2438
01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:25,399
Speaker 6: One more time, please, Oh my gosh, this same my

2439
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:27,840
height now it's close thus plus enough.

2440
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:28,199
Speaker 7: Sorry.

2441
01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:31,960
Speaker 3: Oh I had it, I had it.

2442
01:56:32,039 --> 01:56:35,079
Speaker 2: Dan, you don't have a strike yet. You could burn something.

2443
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 3: You can burn time and then I will give you

2444
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:37,960
a guess.

2445
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,000
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, this same my height now it's close

2446
01:56:42,079 --> 01:56:43,039
that the plus enough.

2447
01:56:43,159 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 3: Sorry, I swear it's like right. My brain is like

2448
01:56:49,039 --> 01:56:55,119
if you could do an MRI right now. My brain

2449
01:56:55,199 --> 01:57:01,159
is like tingling. Uh, it's close though, it's close, though,

2450
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:05,840
Oh god, this is this is the worst. I hate.

2451
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 1: I like.

2452
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:08,359
Speaker 3: I've enjoying it. I'm having a good time. I know

2453
01:57:08,399 --> 01:57:08,680
you can't.

2454
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:09,119
Speaker 2: I'm glad.

2455
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,119
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're enjoying the game as much as I

2456
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:14,079
thought when I thought of it, I went back and

2457
01:57:14,119 --> 01:57:15,920
forth for days as to whether I was like, oh,

2458
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:17,439
should I actually try to do This's gonna be a

2459
01:57:17,439 --> 01:57:20,319
little bit extra work for stat padding, but it's worth it.

2460
01:57:20,399 --> 01:57:22,159
Speaker 2: Just to see you struggle to be honest.

2461
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:24,840
Speaker 3: This this one's even worse because I don't think I

2462
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,399
was gonna get Booker. I just wanted this. I just

2463
01:57:27,399 --> 01:57:30,039
wanted on a loop. Okay, one more, one more time.

2464
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:34,279
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, this ain't my height now it's close though,

2465
01:57:34,479 --> 01:57:35,079
close enough.

2466
01:57:35,239 --> 01:57:42,359
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's Lamello and crack strike one. You didn't even

2467
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:44,319
you didn't even burn a strike yet.

2468
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:48,319
Speaker 3: That that's where well, the the just the wild guesses

2469
01:57:48,319 --> 01:57:54,159
are hard. Man. I'm surprised that's not Lamello. Now, I'm

2470
01:57:54,199 --> 01:57:56,319
trying to think, like, is it? Who is? Who could

2471
01:57:56,319 --> 01:57:56,720
that be?

2472
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you another hint, just because it's height related.

2473
01:57:58,840 --> 01:57:59,960
It's not Given Durant either.

2474
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 3: I know it's not Kevin. Yeah, that one I would

2475
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:05,119
have got. I know it's not Kevin Durant. Dan, that's

2476
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:08,239
a terrible that's a terrible hint. I'm gonna get really

2477
01:58:08,359 --> 01:58:10,279
punchy because of my feeling.

2478
01:58:10,439 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 2: Okay, here's another one. It's not Devin Booker.

2479
01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:21,680
Speaker 3: Oh okay, thanks great? Uh my height guys, it's close though, Yeah,

2480
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:23,279
I can you give me a real hint?

2481
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:29,159
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like a real hint. These are all

2482
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:32,840
active players yeah, I can give you.

2483
01:58:33,079 --> 01:58:34,920
Speaker 2: I feel like even if I give you that, it'll

2484
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:35,640
be a dead giveaway.

2485
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think this player is under six foot seven?

2486
01:58:40,479 --> 01:58:46,399
Speaker 3: Okay, is there like a oh is it Derek White?

2487
01:58:47,359 --> 01:58:50,079
Speaker 2: That is incorrect. Now I'll give you some warmer hints.

2488
01:58:50,079 --> 01:58:50,800
So that strike two?

2489
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 1: This player is.

2490
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:57,399
Speaker 2: You want conference position?

2491
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,479
Speaker 3: Maybe like level? Like is this an All Star and

2492
01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:03,680
All NBA guy? None of those they've.

2493
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:05,079
Speaker 2: Made an All NBA team?

2494
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well hold on, let me confirmed.

2495
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,319
Speaker 3: Are you gonna have to beat? Okay, So he's a

2496
01:59:12,359 --> 01:59:15,199
fringe All NBA. Now that's good. Now I got more information.

2497
01:59:16,279 --> 01:59:18,279
Speaker 1: I'll give you the exact he is a four time

2498
01:59:18,359 --> 01:59:22,239
All Star, one time All NBA.

2499
01:59:23,439 --> 01:59:25,239
Speaker 3: One more time with the audio please, and then I

2500
01:59:25,279 --> 01:59:27,520
will guess and get strike three.

2501
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:31,199
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, this ain't my height. Now it's close

2502
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:32,359
those plus enough sign?

2503
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 3: Is that Trae Young?

2504
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:36,119
Speaker 2: That is Trey Young?

2505
01:59:36,199 --> 01:59:36,760
Speaker 4: You got it?

2506
01:59:37,239 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 1: Nice job.

2507
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:42,000
Speaker 3: Man. When you once you get once the name gets

2508
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,840
it's like, of course that's who that is, right?

2509
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:47,840
Speaker 1: I So I feel like, objectively speaking, the Trey Young

2510
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:52,079
one should have been easier than the devine.

2511
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:54,439
Speaker 3: Based on not getting Devin Booker. I would agree with you.

2512
01:59:55,079 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 1: All right, I have one more three levels for you,

2513
01:59:57,760 --> 01:59:59,000
so you're ready for that subset?

2514
01:59:59,079 --> 02:00:01,199
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all.

2515
02:00:01,159 --> 02:00:04,680
Speaker 1: Right, here we go, Grant guess the NBA player voice.

2516
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:06,560
Speaker 3: Because I have for breakfast, I have a pound of

2517
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:09,920
ground beef and six eggs, so it's all like mixed together,

2518
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:12,560
but like when you open it, eggs don't smell that great.

2519
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:14,479
Speaker 2: Level one.

2520
02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:18,279
Speaker 3: Not only is this h Steven Adams, but it has

2521
02:00:18,319 --> 02:00:22,359
also forced me to rethink my breakfast choices. Why why

2522
02:00:22,399 --> 02:00:24,359
not just go six eggs and a pound of ground

2523
02:00:24,399 --> 02:00:28,039
beef every day? First thing? Why not? Damn? That is correct?

2524
02:00:28,039 --> 02:00:29,399
Speaker 2: You got level one. Good job.

2525
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 1: That was my favorite sound bite too, just listening to

2526
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:33,159
him describe his breakfast.

2527
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:35,439
Speaker 3: I really have thought, like I could get some ground,

2528
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:37,199
Like what would happen to me if I did that?

2529
02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:41,520
Would I also become the best rebounder on planet Earth?

2530
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:42,119
That'd be cool?

2531
02:00:43,399 --> 02:00:48,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Grant guess the NBA player voice. Level two difficulty.

2532
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 7: You know I very first got traded here. You know,

2533
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:53,920
we were we were pushing for the playoffs, and you know,

2534
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:55,920
I had a vision of what it would be like

2535
02:00:56,079 --> 02:00:59,279
to make the playoffs here and Sack and it was

2536
02:00:59,319 --> 02:01:04,560
a lot of long, long days just working and just

2537
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,800
being in the facility, being in these games, and so

2538
02:01:07,039 --> 02:01:09,520
you know, to run out there tonight and to see

2539
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:12,560
that and to see the fans, you know, it was exciting.

2540
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:14,279
But you know, honestly it was a little emotional just

2541
02:01:14,359 --> 02:01:17,359
you know, just being a part of that and really

2542
02:01:17,359 --> 02:01:18,159
just happy for the fans.

2543
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:21,279
Speaker 2: So contact clues there too.

2544
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the longer it went on, the less sure I got.

2545
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:27,640
But he did end with a gracious sentiment, and so

2546
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:29,439
that's what tells me it's Harrison Barnes.

2547
02:01:30,039 --> 02:01:33,199
Speaker 1: That is correct. Two for two. That wasn't hard enough.

2548
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:37,199
You can you go one shot killed across the board?

2549
02:01:37,279 --> 02:01:40,319
Level three grant guess the NBA player voice.

2550
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:44,000
Speaker 4: There's no no love, loss or bad blood there. It's just,

2551
02:01:44,039 --> 02:01:46,479
you know, you have to understand business, and you know,

2552
02:01:46,479 --> 02:01:48,199
I've got to know that over my tenure in the

2553
02:01:48,279 --> 02:01:51,960
in the career of the NBA. But super excited. I'm

2554
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:53,920
back here on the West Coast. I'm forty five minutes

2555
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:57,359
from my house in Newport, so you know, I know

2556
02:01:57,399 --> 02:01:58,479
a couple guys on the team.

2557
02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:06,079
Speaker 3: Obviously, I appreciate the geographical clue within within the sound bite.

2558
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:14,359
Speaker 1: Hm, is that is that John Collins incorrect Strike one.

2559
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:16,319
Speaker 3: He's on the West Coast.

2560
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 1: You're Welmo thought about cutting the clip off before then too?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I need it one more time, please. I

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know it's a longer one.

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Speaker 4: There's no no love loss or bad blood there. It's

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just you know, you have to understand business, and you

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know I've got to know that over my tenure in

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the in the career of the NBA. But super excited.

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I'm back here on the West Coast. I'm forty five

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minutes from my house in Newport, so you know, I

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know a couple guys on the team obviously.

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Speaker 2: Is that Marcus Smart incorrect Strike two?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I felt good about that one. The bad

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blood thing, man, So I didn't think I was gonna

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have to guess after that one could.

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Speaker 2: Be when you're overly confident.

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Speaker 3: I was, so, yeah, that's clearly who that is. The

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Celtics Lakers. Rivalry's on Lakers now. I mean it's not

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a well, a lot of guys have so I was

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about to say it's not a Warriors player or a

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King's player, because he just had like.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of people leave.

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Speaker 1: They must this must be pretty obvious to a lot

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of people who were watching.

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Speaker 3: They're just like, I don't need to stick around and

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see if he gets it. Uh, it's got to be

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an l a guy. Just even although like you could

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have a I don't. It doesn't sound like a Warrior

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to me. If it's a Warriors player and you snuck

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it in there, kudos to you. I'll just say, Gabe Vincent,

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that is incorrect.

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Speaker 2: Strike three it was Zach Levine.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, oh, I'm disappointed. I'm just he has kind of

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a distinctive voice, all right.

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Speaker 1: And it was at one point when you said, oh,

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it's not a king, it was okay, he's clearly not.

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna get this. And then if that's me,

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he's kind of married too.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was already all in on Marcus Smart. What

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a shame great job by you. Good what an innovative.

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I hope there's no rights issues with that, like having

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to play the audio, but good job.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sure I wasn't like we were playing music

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or anything like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm sure it's fine.

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Speaker 3: Well not until you start singing the clues. You're gonna

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have to paraphrase the clues and sing them.

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Speaker 1: To me from now on, do you have anything else

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or do you want to take it out of here?

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Speaker 3: Please remember, as always, rate, review, subscribe, tell your friends,

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tell your enemies, joining our discord link for that on

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YouTube and podcast description. As always shouts Frank la Kin. Apologies,

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Jared Allen