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<v Speaker 1>This encounter took place in a small town on the

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<v Speaker 1>coast of northern California. A friend and I decided that

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to grow a garden on his property. The

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<v Speaker 1>trail to get there was half a mile through some

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<v Speaker 1>thick pine forest and huckleberry bushes. The garden itself was

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<v Speaker 1>trellised on the hillside with a small man made pine

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<v Speaker 1>that we used to water the plants. My friend and

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<v Speaker 1>I would ride our dirt bikes to check on it daily.

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<v Speaker 1>One day in midsummer, we decided to camp there with

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<v Speaker 1>another friend. My two friends pitched a tent, but being outdoorsy,

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<v Speaker 1>I made a shelter underneath a fallen tree. I used

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<v Speaker 1>the branches to close off the back of the sides,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had a large branch for a door. Also

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<v Speaker 1>had a blanket. Knowing it would get chili that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Before going to bed, I had the thought to leave

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<v Speaker 1>my writing boots on to protect against any would be

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<v Speaker 1>critters trying to get frisky. Mountain lions and the occasional

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<v Speaker 1>bear are a thing, although they are rare, Better safe

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<v Speaker 1>than sorry, I thought, keeping my feet. Toward the opening

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<v Speaker 1>of the shelter, we talked about our day and what

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<v Speaker 1>we had planned for the garden. The three of us

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<v Speaker 1>fell asleep. I woke up some time later to something

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<v Speaker 1>heavy walking right next to my shelter. It shook the

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<v Speaker 1>ground when it walked, as if it wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>a point and say that it was the biggest thing around.

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<v Speaker 1>My immediate thought was that a big bear was rooting

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<v Speaker 1>around the camp. That is until I noticed it was

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<v Speaker 1>walking on two legs. As if that wasn't alarming enough,

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<v Speaker 1>it started looking into my shelter. I froze stiff, and

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<v Speaker 1>I could hear it breathing and sniffing as it made

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<v Speaker 1>its way inside through the door that I had made.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a big branch pulled in to block the door,

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<v Speaker 1>but this thing didn't seem to care. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>three three rifle laying next to me, but the thought

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<v Speaker 1>of protecting myself with it never crossed my mind. I

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<v Speaker 1>was too stunned to move or think straight. The sniffing

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<v Speaker 1>and probing went on for what felt like hours, and

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<v Speaker 1>just when I thought it would finally back out and

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<v Speaker 1>leave me be, I felt its giant hand grab my

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<v Speaker 1>leg and tug on it, as if trying to see

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<v Speaker 1>if I was a piece of wood or something else,

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<v Speaker 1>and when it grabbed me, I screamed like a pack

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<v Speaker 1>of stuck pigs. I must have scared it as bad

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<v Speaker 1>as it scared me, because it let out a high pitched,

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<v Speaker 1>horror stricken scream, and it took off toward the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>ripping the top off my buddy's tint along the way. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we were terrified. All three of us had heard and

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<v Speaker 1>seen it. We stayed as quiet and as still as

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<v Speaker 1>we could until the first light showed over the mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we got to our bikes. No sooner had

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<v Speaker 1>I gotten to my bike and got it moving when

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball sized rock hit me in the side of

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<v Speaker 1>the head and it knocked me off my bike. My

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<v Speaker 1>buddy behind me stop and helped me back up, and

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<v Speaker 1>we hotailed it out of there and we never went

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<v Speaker 1>back to that area again. Hey, welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Cameron Buckner. This is the Dixie Cryptid

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<v Speaker 1>there simply because YouTube is a visual platform. Anyway, I

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<v Speaker 1>the story. I think I've got six or seven in

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<v Speaker 1>all right, here we go. When my son was four,

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<v Speaker 1>we went Noword to visit my aunt and uncle. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time, they lived on a beautiful property spanning eighty

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<v Speaker 1>are not too far from Huntsville, Ontario. My uncle was

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<v Speaker 1>born and raised in rural Quebec, and he grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods among the wildlife. Later, as a young man,

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<v Speaker 1>he lived and worked in logging camps in Ontario and Quebec.

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<v Speaker 1>Their property was a nature lover's dream. Deer routinely wandered

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<v Speaker 1>into their backyard, along with bears and other wildlife, and

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<v Speaker 1>a host of other birds and smaller wildlife. It was

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite places to be on this visit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was winter, and we were sitting around in their

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<v Speaker 1>living room as the woodstove chugged out heat, and the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation worked its way around to strange things my uncle

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<v Speaker 1>had seen and heard in the forest in his lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>He began telling a story about a deer hunting trip

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<v Speaker 1>that he took part in many years prior. Near North Bay, Ontario.

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<v Speaker 1>He and his hunting partner had come up dry since

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<v Speaker 1>it was getting dark, they were heading back to the

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<v Speaker 1>warmth of their lodging and a hot meal. As it was, though,

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<v Speaker 1>they got somewhat off the beaten path and ended up

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<v Speaker 1>taking the scenic route. It was dark by that point

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<v Speaker 1>and they were cold and miserable, when all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden they heard the sound emanating from the woods. They

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<v Speaker 1>could only be described as an angry monkey scream. My

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<v Speaker 1>uncle and his buddy froze solid when it went off again,

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<v Speaker 1>only louder. By this point, they were starting to mentally

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<v Speaker 1>take inventory of what animals could have made that sound,

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<v Speaker 1>but they came up empty. They stood there for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>facing out into the dark woods. The ensuing silence was

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<v Speaker 1>every bit as scary as the noise they had just heard.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided not to wait around for an encore and

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<v Speaker 1>instead to double time it back to their cabin, where

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<v Speaker 1>not one more word was said about this incident. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle never once mentioned the word sosquatch or even

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<v Speaker 1>and heinted at it. But given his location at the

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<v Speaker 1>time and the sheer ferocity of the sound, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it froze him, a seasoned hunter in his tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>I would not discount sosquatch. In August of twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I took my son to visit my aunt and uncle

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<v Speaker 1>again on their property. While we were there, we had

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<v Speaker 1>a great time exploring the woods and walking down to

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<v Speaker 1>the beautiful beach about a mile away. But in typical fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>my internal clock went into overdrive and the first day

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<v Speaker 1>there I found myself awake at four am. Well, I figured,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than lying beds doing about being awake, I'd go

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<v Speaker 1>downstairs and do some painting until everyone woke up. This

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<v Speaker 1>house did not have air conditioning, so they routinely left

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<v Speaker 1>windows open to create a cross breeze. Between that and

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<v Speaker 1>the shade from the huge trees all around, the house

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<v Speaker 1>was always at an nice temperature, even when it was

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<v Speaker 1>sticky out. And there I was in the dining room

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<v Speaker 1>table with my watercolors in front of me, beside a

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<v Speaker 1>huge open window, listening to the birds in the forest

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<v Speaker 1>as they began to wake and go about their daily routine.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside it was washed with a silvery blue pre dawn light,

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<v Speaker 1>and except for the birds, everything was quiet. I was

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<v Speaker 1>painting away happily, when all of a sudden I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that even the birds had stilled. I felt little of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I kept on painting until in the distance I

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<v Speaker 1>heard the distinct sound of wood hitting hard against another

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<v Speaker 1>piece of wood. My head shot upright and I listened.

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<v Speaker 1>There were three knocks, and then a pause, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a couple more, and then a short, distant, lyrical whood

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<v Speaker 1>sound that started low and went higher towards the end.

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<v Speaker 1>No freaking way, I thought to myself. I immediately realized

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<v Speaker 1>my son would be furious with me if I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>capture the sounds, so I reached for my cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>and turned on the video. Even though there was another

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<v Speaker 1>faint moan in the distance. When I played back the recording,

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<v Speaker 1>the only audible sound was that of my rather excited breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>I told my son at breakfast what I'd heard, but

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<v Speaker 1>he thought I was kidding with him to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never be convinced that what I heard that morning

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<v Speaker 1>in the twilight was not a sisquatch. The wood knocking

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<v Speaker 1>was intentional, and the whooping sound was like nothing I'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard before or since. Keep doing your good work.

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<v Speaker 1>Your non judgmental approach and fantastic accent make you one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best on YouTube. And my son and I

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<v Speaker 1>love your channel. Sign Nancy, that was a really nice compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>Not many people compliment my accent, but I can't change it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just roll with it. And there's plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>people that talk like me. So we go through life

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<v Speaker 1>not understanding each other. Hay yack, Get all right. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Nancy for the story. This was great. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>My encounter occurred in the summer of nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thirteen years old at the time. My cousin Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>and I decided to go camping near my home, located

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<v Speaker 1>in the southeastern corner of Mecklenburg County in North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>in an area of woods that is known as Colonel

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<v Speaker 1>Francis Bady Park. This section of the country was remote

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies, with sparse development. The woods comprising

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<v Speaker 1>several hundred acres included a beautiful section where several large

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<v Speaker 1>creeks converged with a mature section of hardwoods and pines.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a high tension power line extending through the eastern

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<v Speaker 1>corner of this track, which I now realized may have

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<v Speaker 1>been the pathway for our visitor. The land was bordered

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<v Speaker 1>by planet fields on two sides and a road on

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<v Speaker 1>the other two sides in some development. Essentially, it was

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<v Speaker 1>an oasis of hardwoods surrounded by fields. By the age

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<v Speaker 1>of thirteen, I was already an accomplished camper, having camped

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<v Speaker 1>in the wilderness areas for week long stretches with my

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<v Speaker 1>father since I was six. I was accustomed to being

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods at night, having taken several frog gigging

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<v Speaker 1>trips with my father to remote ponds throughout Union County,

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<v Speaker 1>where we would spend hours tromping around the darkness up

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<v Speaker 1>to my chest and water. It was not unusual for

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<v Speaker 1>us to encounter snakes, deer, raccoons, and other wildlife. Jim

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<v Speaker 1>and I hiked about two miles and made camp in

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<v Speaker 1>a clear area of hardwoods just above a waterfall in

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<v Speaker 1>the creek in the center of the track. Accompanying us

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<v Speaker 1>was my dog, Alicia. She was a German shepherd who

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<v Speaker 1>was fiercely loyal and followed me everywhere. Back then, there

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<v Speaker 1>were no leash laws, and she patrolled my family's seven

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<v Speaker 1>in for the night with a knight's fire. Sometime late

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<v Speaker 1>in the evening, we were both awakened by my dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Lesha was making a weird combination of noises, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a mix of whining and growling. She came in the tent,

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<v Speaker 1>pacing and cowering between us. She had never done anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that before, and it baffled me. She couldnot be consoled.

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<v Speaker 1>Lesha would bark incessantly at strangers, dogs or wildlife, or

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<v Speaker 1>she would chase them off without hesitation. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>never seen her behave the way that she did that night,

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<v Speaker 1>nor did I see her act that way again after.

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<v Speaker 1>As we sat awake pondering what was causing her reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>There were noises out in the woods. The first one

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<v Speaker 1>that got our attention was a tree falling. We heard

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<v Speaker 1>distinctive cracks and then the sound of a massive tree

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the ground. It was a familiar sound to me

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<v Speaker 1>because we would push over rotten pine trees and kill

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<v Speaker 1>until it began to sway, and then push into each

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<v Speaker 1>would get it done. Dead or rotten tree fall and

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<v Speaker 1>living tree fall has distinctively different sounds. When the dead

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<v Speaker 1>no resistance. But when a healthy tree falls, you hear

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<v Speaker 1>the moisture in the wood protesting. You hear the tearing

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<v Speaker 1>of the bark and the trunk resisting as the fiber split.

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<v Speaker 1>Several of us would never have been able to push

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<v Speaker 1>The tree we heard was green, it was alive. The

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<v Speaker 1>sound of hitting the ground was heavy and dense with

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<v Speaker 1>moisture and shook the earth under our tent. When I

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<v Speaker 1>heard it break in the middle of the night, in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of nowhere, I got a shiver. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>that whatever had made this happen was something big, and

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<v Speaker 1>my dog was afraid of it. I shared my concern

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<v Speaker 1>with Jim, and we began to hear distinctive footfalls in

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<v Speaker 1>the dry leaves. The foot falls were heavy and they

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like a person slowly walking. The footsteps grew fainter.

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<v Speaker 1>We heard another living tree fall, and then silence. It

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<v Speaker 1>took some time for my dog to settle down, but

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<v Speaker 1>she never barked or chased after whatever it was. We

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<v Speaker 1>did not go to sleep at all after that, and

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't wait for daylight to get out of the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>I still live in this area and frequently travel through

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<v Speaker 1>that section of woods. Because it has now been converted

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<v Speaker 1>into a public park, I have continued to camp and

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<v Speaker 1>hunt in and around this area for as long as

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<v Speaker 1>I can remember. That particular area was, for many years

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<v Speaker 1>prior to the park's establishment, my favorite deer hunting area

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<v Speaker 1>due to the abundance of the animals. The northern section

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<v Speaker 1>is surrounded by farmland and the entire track is intersected

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<v Speaker 1>by several creeks which now form a big lake. In

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<v Speaker 1>all my time in the woods, I have never encountered

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<v Speaker 1>anything that would explain what we heard that night. I

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<v Speaker 1>recently became interested in the Bigfoot phenomenon, and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>researching accounts in folklore. This unusual childhood experience remains vivid,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is now quite evident to me that sosquatch

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<v Speaker 1>explains everything we heard. It is, in my opinion, the

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<v Speaker 1>only creature that would have had that kind of effect

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<v Speaker 1>on my German shepherd, and the only creature that would

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<v Speaker 1>have had the ability to push over a massive, green

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<v Speaker 1>living tree. I grew up in a small town outskirts

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati, Ohio. My father and I lived in an

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<v Speaker 1>old log cabin situated in the middle of the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>He used to always cut trees for heat in the winter,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the weekends I would help him load the

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<v Speaker 1>truck and whatnot. Our white German shepherd named Duke was

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite companion. He was beautiful and in the winter

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<v Speaker 1>he would come busting out of the woods on either

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<v Speaker 1>side of the trail and look like a majestic wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>He was my best friend. One day, my father, Duke

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<v Speaker 1>and I were walking the creek after a day of swimming,

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<v Speaker 1>when we came up on a set of tracks that's

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<v Speaker 1>about ten years years old at that time now. I

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<v Speaker 1>asked my father if they were dukes. He said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't. They were from a feeline, probably a big

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<v Speaker 1>bobcat or something of that nature. Well, put it out

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<v Speaker 1>of my mind and we continued on. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>how much longer this was, since when you're a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>time really does fly. But Duke and I were outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the log cabin, playing in the yard as kids do,

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<v Speaker 1>when all of a sudden, Duke got so close to

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<v Speaker 1>me that I couldn't walk without tripping over him. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when I looked up at our long gravel driveway and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw what made those tracks. It was a massive

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<v Speaker 1>eight foot long black cat slinking its way from us

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<v Speaker 1>up the long gravel driveway. I know things seemed larger

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<v Speaker 1>when you're a kid, but this thing really was big.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw its face, just its long, slender body

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<v Speaker 1>and its tail whipping left to right. I know a

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<v Speaker 1>cat when I see one, just like everyone else in

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<v Speaker 1>the world does. It had the grace and agility and

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<v Speaker 1>stealth of an assassin. My German shepherd was a good size,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe eighty pounds, but this cat dwarfed him. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I realized. Duke had saved my life. If I had

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<v Speaker 1>been out there alone, that cat would have easily killed me.

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<v Speaker 1>If you search the internet for black panthers living in

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<v Speaker 1>North America, the answers you will get or that they

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<v Speaker 1>flied out don't exist here. But I know what I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was a pet that got too big to

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<v Speaker 1>keep and was set loose. In the nineteen eighties and nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>people had a thing for exotic pets intended to let

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<v Speaker 1>them loose when they got too big. All I know

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<v Speaker 1>is that I saw a monster panther that day, and

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<v Speaker 1>my German Shepherd saved my life. I'll never forget that day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget that cat or my dog, Duke. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for reading this. Signing off. In two thousand and ten,

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<v Speaker 1>I lived in an old house with a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>acres and a swamp nearby. It was in southeast Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>and Bullock County, about an hour northwest of Savannah. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a ditch between my property and my grandmother's property that's

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<v Speaker 1>four feet deep. Red swamp maple grows on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and you wouldn't know it was there unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're paying attention when you're passing it from the road.

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<v Speaker 1>It runs in a tee from the front of the

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<v Speaker 1>property back to the swamp behind the house, and then

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<v Speaker 1>into a vernal pond that dries up every summer. It

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't rained, so the ditch was dry as a bone.

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<v Speaker 1>Our family reunion was held at my grandmother's property every

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<v Speaker 1>April and has been held every year there for sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five years. My brother and I and our families were

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<v Speaker 1>always last to call it a night. It was getting

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<v Speaker 1>late when we heard a strange sound outside. One of

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<v Speaker 1>my brothers said it could have been a screech owl.

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<v Speaker 1>We left it at that and said our goodbyes, and

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<v Speaker 1>I headed for bed. I had become disabled the year before,

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<v Speaker 1>and I used a wheelchair. I could stand, but I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't walk for because the cartilage in both of my

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<v Speaker 1>hips had worn out. I had learned that sleeping on

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<v Speaker 1>the couch was easier to get out of than getting

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<v Speaker 1>out of my bed, so I'd taken to sleeping in

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<v Speaker 1>the living room. I never left any lights on because

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<v Speaker 1>the windows faced east and west, and the yard light

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<v Speaker 1>lit up the interior of the house enough for me

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<v Speaker 1>to use the bathroom in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>There were three windows in the living room, each three

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<v Speaker 1>feet wide and five feet long. These were old windows

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<v Speaker 1>that my dad had removed and rebuilt, and were made

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<v Speaker 1>of that thin old glass that looks like it's melting.

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<v Speaker 1>The window that faced west was five feet off the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, it was just me and my pug, Blinky,

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<v Speaker 1>who was then eight years old. He was a good

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<v Speaker 1>little watch dog, and he sounded like he was ten

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<v Speaker 1>feet tall when he went on alert, even though he

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<v Speaker 1>only weighed twelve pounds. I just laid on the couch

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<v Speaker 1>and blink. He laid down on the floor beside me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was almost asleep when all of a sudden, an

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<v Speaker 1>ungodly scream came from the ditch. It sounded like the

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<v Speaker 1>one my brothers and I had heard earlier, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was closer and louder and wilder this time. I started

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<v Speaker 1>to sit up when Blinky sailed up to my chest,

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<v Speaker 1>knocking my breath out of me and banging like he

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge dog. He barked for a good five minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>His fur was bristling like I'd never seen before. He

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let me sit up, and he kept jumping onto

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<v Speaker 1>my chest every time I moved him down to my legs.

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<v Speaker 1>I found my big flashlight, which I kept between the

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<v Speaker 1>the swamp maples, shining it back and forth and then

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<v Speaker 1>up and down the tree. Blinky finally got off me

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<v Speaker 1>and I was able to sit up. I turned off

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<v Speaker 1>the flashlight, using my furniture as a support. I went

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<v Speaker 1>into the bathroom with Blinky following me, looking through the

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<v Speaker 1>window in the bathroom outside, but I couldn't see anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I was still afraid. That night, Blinkie and I slept

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<v Speaker 1>in my master closet with the interior door shut tight

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<v Speaker 1>and lock. I've heard a black panther before. There's one

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<v Speaker 1>in the Pennsylvania Zoo that screamed right at me, so

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<v Speaker 1>I knew what I heard wasn't a panther. We had

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<v Speaker 1>bobcats and foxes on the farm, and it wasn't either

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<v Speaker 1>of them. We don't have porcupines and raccoons and possums

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<v Speaker 1>don't scream like what I heard that night. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what Blinky and I heard, but I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>so scared in all my life. Blinky passed away in

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<v Speaker 1>my arms in twenty sixteen at thirteen years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>I moved to the Arizona Desert last year. There are

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<v Speaker 1>no trees here, and that means that there's nowhere for

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<v Speaker 1>any large animals or mystery creatures to hide, or so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm told. Now, I just have to be aware of rattlesnakes, tarantulas,

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<v Speaker 1>and bark scorpions. Oh that was a great story, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sad about your pug, Blinkie. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>little pug. Her name is Lily. Oh my gosh, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that dog. She's a stinky little thing and she's

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<v Speaker 1>a snorty snorter. You know how pugs are. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>little footballs and their faces are all alienike. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever looked in a pug's mouth. They have the weirdest

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<v Speaker 1>skull structure of any dog I've ever seen. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the oldest breeds in human history that I think.

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<v Speaker 1>They come out of China, but they're the I want

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<v Speaker 1>to just tell y'all, if anybody's looking for a family pet,

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<v Speaker 1>a pug is the absolute best family pet you can buy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love labs. I have a little pit bull mix.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of our dogs are good, but that pug

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<v Speaker 1>she may or may not be my favorite. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for just a family pet, a dog that's

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<v Speaker 1>good with kids, it's a lap dog that's lovable. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean their faces are shapes so that they just can't

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<v Speaker 1>hardly bite you. They're a great dog to raise with

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<v Speaker 1>a family. So anyway, that's my dog advice for the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you to the writer for the story. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was good. Thanks. In July of two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 1>I moved to Murphisboro, Tennessee, to begin graduate studies in

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<v Speaker 1>the biology program at Middle Tennessee State University. It was

419
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<v Speaker 1>during the tail end of a recession, and I had

420
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<v Speaker 1>been working for a surveyor who could only pay me

421
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<v Speaker 1>for three days a week, so I didn't have a

422
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<v Speaker 1>lot of money. I drove around downtown Murphisborough and was

423
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<v Speaker 1>overtaken by a nostalgic mood. This quiet, old downtown neighborhood,

424
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<v Speaker 1>in the tree lined streets leading up to the old

425
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<v Speaker 1>courthouse on the Square was where I had lived ten

426
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<v Speaker 1>years prior to this. I ran these old streets in

427
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<v Speaker 1>the fall of nineteen ninety nine, with their turning leaves

428
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<v Speaker 1>the orange and yellow of the sugar maples leading up

429
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<v Speaker 1>to the square. I would be attending Navy Officers Candidate

430
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<v Speaker 1>School at the beginning of the next year, and I

431
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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get in shape. A decade later, I had

432
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<v Speaker 1>come to take advantage of the educational opportunity my service

433
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<v Speaker 1>had afforded me. I saw a four rent sign at

434
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<v Speaker 1>an old building on Lydall Street, just a block from

435
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<v Speaker 1>the campus. I walked into the open front door. There

436
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<v Speaker 1>was an apartment on either side. I walked up the

437
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<v Speaker 1>creaky wooden stairs to find two more apartments up top.

438
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<v Speaker 1>The door stood wide opened to one of them. It

439
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 1>was dirty. Animal feces was on the floor. A large

440
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:13.599
<v Speaker 1>old window was open, letting in the ninety degree air.

441
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<v Speaker 1>While this could have been a sign to run away,

442
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.519
<v Speaker 1>to me, it was a sign that the rent might

443
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<v Speaker 1>be cheap. I called the number on the sign out

444
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<v Speaker 1>front and was told to drive up the street to

445
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<v Speaker 1>the owner's law office and sign the rental agreement. I

446
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 1>chose apartment three upstairs, across the hall from the one

447
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<v Speaker 1>I had walked into on my initial visit. It had

448
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<v Speaker 1>just been repainted and the floors were swept. A small

449
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>air conditioner did what it could do to cool the

450
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.880
<v Speaker 1>large rooms with the old drafty windows, but I didn't

451
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.920
<v Speaker 1>mind the heat too much. Air Conditioning in the summer

452
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 1>has always given me chills. Some friends helped me move

453
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<v Speaker 1>my belongings down from Nashville. Everything I owned at the

454
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<v Speaker 1>time could be carried in two loads in the bed

455
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<v Speaker 1>of my Ford Ranger pickup truck. I settled into my

456
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<v Speaker 1>new apartment and in a couple of weeks classes began,

457
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<v Speaker 1>and I enjoyed being back on college campus, pretty girls,

458
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>thought provoking conversation, not being on a tight work day schedule.

459
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<v Speaker 1>There was a learning curve also as a graduate student,

460
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<v Speaker 1>I had earned extra money teaching biology labs. I had

461
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 1>forgotten statistics, and my first lab found me teaching students

462
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<v Speaker 1>about the tea test, which I did not recall having

463
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:38.519
<v Speaker 1>ever heard before this lab. Incidentally, it was invented by

464
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 1>the head brewmaster at Guinness in the early nineteen hundreds

465
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>as a way to do a statistical quality control on

466
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:49.599
<v Speaker 1>batches of that fine stout. Some days I would walk

467
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>back home between classes and take a nap. I've always

468
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>been a napper, but rarely do I fall into a

469
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 1>deep sleep, definitely not enough to enter a dream state.

470
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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised to suddenly be awakened by a loud whistle,

471
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 1>sharp like when someone puts their thumb and finger in

472
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 1>the edge of their mouth and really blows. I looked

473
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 1>outside and saw that the school two doors down was

474
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>letting out, and cars lined up the street waiting to

475
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>pick up their children. Other kids were running down the sidewalk.

476
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Shortly after this, I was asleep one night when again

477
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I was awakened by that whistle. I rose up and

478
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the only sound in the room was a steady hum

479
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 1>of my fan. I looked out the open window by

480
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>my bed, but I didn't see anyone walking around in

481
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 1>the darkness. The hair on the back of my neck

482
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>stood up a little, and I didn't sleep well for

483
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:47.039
<v Speaker 1>the rest of that night. A short time later, I

484
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 1>was out in the front yard smoking a cigarette and

485
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 1>talking with my neighbor. She, with her husband and daughter,

486
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 1>lived in apartment one downstairs. The other two apartments were

487
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 1>still empty as IRA call. Now. This doesn't have much

488
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>to do with the story, but I believe it bears

489
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>pointing out that she was a witch. She always wore black,

490
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>but this, being Murphers Burro goth was always in style.

491
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 1>But one day I had seen her and her husband

492
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 1>walking across the backyard slowly ceremoniously. Her husband was a

493
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.079
<v Speaker 1>normal enough ponytail guy who worked at the bunny bread

494
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.319
<v Speaker 1>plant in town. Or maybe it was Pillsbury, I can't remember,

495
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 1>it's irrelevant. She carried a round mirror with a candle

496
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:38.799
<v Speaker 1>and a pentagram made from dried weeds on top of it.

497
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:44.039
<v Speaker 1>They walked to the dilapidated woodshed out back. Hours later,

498
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I walked out and found the mirror and pentagram of weeds.

499
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.799
<v Speaker 1>It was still setting in that shed when my girlfriend

500
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.799
<v Speaker 1>and I moved out to our apartment several years later.

501
00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:00.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a little ahead of myself here. Talking with

502
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>my neighbor, who was sitting in the arm of a

503
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 1>dogwood tree on an overcast November day after general pleasant trees,

504
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>she asked me if I had ever experienced anything strange

505
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>in the house. No, not really, I said, why do

506
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>you ask? Just wondering, she said. I was about to

507
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.799
<v Speaker 1>walk back inside when I said, you know, there is

508
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 1>one thing I think it's strange. You get the whistle

509
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>don't you, she said. Suddenly a shudder ran over me. Yeah,

510
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 1>I said, My daughter gets the whistle too. She said

511
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>she's learned to ignore it. We said about talking some more,

512
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>and we talked about supposed haunted houses in downtown Murphisboro.

513
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.599
<v Speaker 1>My neighbor told me about one house she had heard

514
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 1>about with a child's handprints that couldn't be painted over.

515
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 1>She heard that they just kept bleeding back through. Oh

516
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:04.319
<v Speaker 1>that's creepy, I said, and then walked back inside. Either

517
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>that night or the next, I was sitting on the

518
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.799
<v Speaker 1>hardwood floor in my living room working on a project

519
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.839
<v Speaker 1>for a class. Not having an overhead light, I had

520
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>set the lamp in the floor next to me so

521
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I could see while I glued leaves and stems to

522
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 1>some thick paper. The light at this low angle cast

523
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 1>a room in a new perspective, and looking up, I

524
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>saw it. In the corner on the wall next to

525
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen door were two small handprints. It appeared to

526
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 1>be two right hand prints from a child, and my

527
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>jaw dropped. I ran down to my neighbor's apartment and

528
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 1>got her and her husband to walk up. I didn't

529
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>tell them what for, I just said you're not going

530
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>to believe this. My neighbor reacted as expected, with a

531
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>string of expletives signifying incredulous surprise. They walked back downstairs,

532
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:03.599
<v Speaker 1>still dumbfound by the prints on the wall. I finished

533
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>my work for the night and I went to bed,

534
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and I rationalized the hand prints as being from a

535
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:12.039
<v Speaker 1>child who had left an indelible mark in a workman's

536
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 1>fresh plaster many years ago. Well time went on, and

537
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 1>I would occasionally show the handprints to friends who came

538
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 1>over to the house, a curiosity in an old house

539
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>that would elicit a reaction of creepy surprise, but little more.

540
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Also don't remember getting the whistle anymore by this time.

541
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>A year later, in November of twenty ten, I was

542
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>taking a course in statistics and had a mild romantic

543
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>interest in a pretty girl in the class. She came

544
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>over one evening before a test to study. Heated up

545
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>some frozen chicken nuggets, and we sat on my bed

546
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 1>studying and watching TV. After a while, we got tired

547
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of studying and just talk for a while. I poured

548
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 1>her a glass of wine and I had a beer.

549
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Around eleven o'clock, she went home. I took her wine glass,

550
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:07.599
<v Speaker 1>and I set it on the counter by the sink,

551
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and I went to bed. I woke up sometime in

552
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>the night and walked to the kitchen to get a

553
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 1>drink of water, and there it was, the wine glass,

554
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>sat upright on the kitchen floor, eight or ten feet

555
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>from the sink, in the middle of the doorway where

556
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>the handprints were. Now. Maybe I was preoccupied with my

557
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.159
<v Speaker 1>date that evening, but for whatever reason, I didn't think

558
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>anything of it. I was just glad the glass hadn't broken.

559
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>The next morning, I got up and made my oat meal,

560
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>heating up the water in a little red camping cup.

561
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 1>After eating, I washed my travel mug for coffee, and

562
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I sat on the counter and began washing my spoon

563
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 1>and bowl. The travel mug fell off the counter somehow,

564
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 1>traveling halfway across the kitchen. It struck me as odd,

565
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>but then again, things could easily fall off around it

566
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>edge of an old enameled countertop if placed too close

567
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>to the edge. So I walked onto class with my

568
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.559
<v Speaker 1>coffee in hand. I think I had to teach labs

569
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.159
<v Speaker 1>that day, because I didn't come back until four or

570
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 1>four point thirty that afternoon. As I walked up the sidewalk. Levi,

571
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 1>who lived downstairs, and our friend Jason were sitting on

572
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 1>the points drinking a beer. Over the course of that day,

573
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I thought about the wineglass being moved across the kitchen,

574
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and to some extent, my coffee mug flying across the counter.

575
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 1>I told them what had happened, and was met with

576
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:40.320
<v Speaker 1>the dude that's weird reactions that I had expected. I

577
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.800
<v Speaker 1>sang a few bars of the Twilight's On theme and

578
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 1>then suggested that we go up to the booro and

579
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>get some beers. They agreed that was a good idea.

580
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 1>So I walked upstairs to drop off my backpack, and

581
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>my draw dropped and chills ran all over my body.

582
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 1>When I walked in the door, the little red cup

583
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that I had heated water that morning was now sitting

584
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen doorway, exactly where the wine glass had

585
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 1>sat the night before. I ran back downstairs and I

586
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>got my buddies to come up. We all looked at

587
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 1>each other in disbelief, and then we walked back downstairs

588
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and went to the bar. I don't recall if it

589
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.159
<v Speaker 1>was later that evening or the next, but Levi and

590
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I were sitting up in my apartment. It may have

591
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.679
<v Speaker 1>been the same evening, because I remember I was a

592
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.079
<v Speaker 1>little scared to be there by myself. I sat at

593
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>my desk, which was right beside the kitchen door, right

594
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 1>across from the handprints. Levi stood in the kitchen doorway.

595
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.800
<v Speaker 1>We drank beer and talked about girls and guitars and songwriting,

596
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and are usually topics of conversation, but we also talked

597
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 1>about the unexplainable events of the last twenty four hours.

598
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.039
<v Speaker 1>And that's when I saw it move. A metal yard

599
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 1>stick was leaning up in the corner where the handprint

600
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.559
<v Speaker 1>and swere five feet from where I sat. I looked

601
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 1>in the corner and the yarchstick began to shake vigorously.

602
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 1>I grabbed Levi and pointed to the corner. The yardstick

603
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.679
<v Speaker 1>shook for a couple of more seconds, and then it stopped.

604
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.719
<v Speaker 1>At this point, the kitchen door, which was always open,

605
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>slammed on Levi's back and shoulder. We looked at each

606
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>other because this was just too odd. But as soon

607
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 1>as he pushed the door back, it slammed again. I

608
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 1>don't recall for sure, but it may have slammed a

609
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.800
<v Speaker 1>third time. We both stood in the doorway, jumping and

610
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.000
<v Speaker 1>leaning hard into the door, trying to make it close again,

611
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 1>just to see if Levi could have jarred the door

612
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 1>causing it to close. We never got it to move.

613
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>After a while, Levi went downstairs to go to bed

614
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 1>because he had to go to Worth. The next morning,

615
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I crawled into my bed, but sleep was hard to

616
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 1>come by. The Next day, I was talking to a

617
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 1>girl who sat next to me in my medicinal plants class,

618
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 1>and I told her about the strange events that I

619
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.599
<v Speaker 1>had experienced. She told me that this sounded like a

620
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.039
<v Speaker 1>spirit that was about to manifest itself and it could

621
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>be in a terrifying form. Well, this was not encouraging,

622
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>since I thought perhaps this was just a friendly ghost.

623
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 1>She suggested that I burned sage to clean the house.

624
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Without going into a long sidetrack as to why, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just say that I already had a bundle of sage

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<v Speaker 1>in the house. I went home that evening and sat

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<v Speaker 1>on the front porch with Levi's roommate, who was named Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>After a beer, we walked upstairs and we lit the sage.

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<v Speaker 1>Only the kitchen light was on, and I don't recall

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<v Speaker 1>why I didn't turn on any of the other lamps.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked through the apartment with the sage and making

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<v Speaker 1>up a cleansing ritual as I went. There's nothing but

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<v Speaker 1>love here, I said, I bring nothing but love, but

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<v Speaker 1>I live here. I pay rent. You don't belong here.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Mike interjected, but if you're here, show yourself. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I never want to see you. I have nothing but love,

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<v Speaker 1>but you need to go wherever you're supposed to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I pay the rent here, I continued to say. Afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike went back downstairs, and I sat alone in the apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>and the aroma of the sage strong throughout the rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to bed that night and slept well. I

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<v Speaker 1>slept well from then on. There were no other ghostly occurrences.

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<v Speaker 1>Those events so many years ago left me with a

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<v Speaker 1>good ghost story to tell. But the event has also

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<v Speaker 1>left me with something more. When someone I love passes

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<v Speaker 1>away and friends and family attempt to comfort us by

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the afterlife, I tell them, I know we

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<v Speaker 1>live on past our earthly bodies. Don't say this based

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<v Speaker 1>on faith. I know it from experience. I learned that

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<v Speaker 1>ghosts are real on Lytle Street, on those overcasts. November

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<v Speaker 1>days many years ago. The building still stands with its

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<v Speaker 1>quadruplex of apartments, creaky wooden floors and stairs, but it

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<v Speaker 1>has been completely renovated now with modern windows that keep

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<v Speaker 1>out cold drafts and modern cabinets and countertops. No one

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<v Speaker 1>I know lives there any longer, but I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to stop by one afternoon and strike up a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask, do you ever hear a strange

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<v Speaker 1>whistle at night? Okay, I think that's going to do

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<v Speaker 1>it for this podcast. I certainly appreciate you finding me

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<v Speaker 1>out on the podcast network, whether you're listening from Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podbeam,

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<v Speaker 1>any podcast app a good five star review if you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it would be a huge help to me. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can find that in the app. I can never

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<v Speaker 1>find it, but some people leave me review and I

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<v Speaker 1>would appreciate that it helps my podcast grow and helps

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<v Speaker 1>me keep doing this. Gives me a lot of encouragement.

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks for listening, and we'll see you guys on

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<v Speaker 1>the next one.
