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From 36 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.560 the time he's a teenager, Jeremy Bryan Jones had led 37 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.879 let his violent passions run wild, attacking, raping, and mutilating. 38 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:08.319 Then in Mobile County, Alabama, Jones's rampage was stopped, but 39 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:10.599 no one knew how many bodies were in his past. 40 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.000 Convicted and sentenced to die for the brutal murder of 41 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.759 Lisa Nichols, an Alabama mother of two children, Jones shocked 42 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:20.360 authorities with the story of his life and his claims 43 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.000 of snuffing out over a dozen victims in thirteen years. 44 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:25.400 But was he telling the truth or was he simply 45 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.840 taunting his captors. Detectives from across the South scramble to 46 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.800 prove Jones's claims. At every turn. The man dubbed the 47 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.479 Redneck Ted Bundy, made a mockery of investigators, the courts, 48 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.080 and the media. In the end, he would be convicted 49 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:43.520 of three murders, but investigators investigations into the horrifying crimes 50 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.680 attributed to him still continue. Now, for the first time, 51 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:49.719 the definitive story is told about a psychopath who enjoyed 52 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:54.759 confessing almost as much as he enjoyed killing. Bloodlust killing 53 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.680 was his pleasure. By journalist and author Sheila Johnson, my 54 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:01.120 special guests this evening, Thank you very much for joining 55 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.159 us on the program, Hilia Johnson. 56 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.520 Thank you glad to be here. 57 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:09.479 Oh, thank you very much. It's our pleasure now. First 58 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:12.039 of all, of all the cases you could have chosen, 59 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:14.680 and I know you've got some work in your past, 60 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.960 what made you to decide to both to write about 61 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:18.479 this case in particular. 62 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:24.039 Well, I didn't really know about this case initially. My 63 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.319 publisher at Pinnacle True Crime called and asked me to 64 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.520 look into it and see if I'd be interested in 65 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:34.800 doing a book. Since I was the closest writer geographically 66 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:39.400 to the place where the murder took place and where 67 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.080 Jonas had been jailed, And once I looked into it, 68 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.919 I was totally hooked. I was on the opposite end 69 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.919 of the state from Mobile, where he was arrested. I 70 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.400 was up in the north end of Alabama instead of 71 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:56.639 down on the coast, and since the distance there, I 72 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.360 hadn't heard anything about the case. But I was just 73 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:03.439 immediately started getting information as soon as I saw what 74 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:06.800 was involved with it. And I didn't have any idea 75 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.199 at the time just how much information there was going 76 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:11.919 to be. And it was scattered all across the southeast 77 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.960 and Midwest, and as time passed it just kept on growing. 78 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.680 Now, this is a bloodlust is set in Alabama, But 79 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.720 like you had mentioned that sort of bordering states that 80 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:27.160 this whole story takes place. Now, what is the city 81 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:32.639 of Mobile and an area like and how big is Mobile? 82 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.439 For those people that aren't really don't really know what 83 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.560 we're talking about, describe the communities where this story is set. 84 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.879 Okay, it's Mobile, and it's one of the five largest 85 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.360 cities in the States. It's down it's a port city 86 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:52.480 down on the Gulf. But the murder took place in 87 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:58.079 a rural area north of the city, and Johns seem 88 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:02.319 to prefer to we work in the more rural areas. 89 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:04.600 He was just not a city boy. He was seized 90 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:08.199 from Oklahoma, and he liked to be in places where 91 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.199 he could sort of ingratiate himself to his employers and 92 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.160 co workers and and track and press everybody and be 93 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.959 the good guy. And also where he could get out 94 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:21.920 at night and trove for hookups at the smaller local 95 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:26.399 bars and restaurants, and city women, you know, didn't really 96 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.120 go for his line as much as the the more 97 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:32.839 country girl types did. So his only adventure into the 98 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.040 big cities was when he made a trip to New Orleans, 99 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:39.959 which resulted in the murder of a prostitute there, and 100 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.199 when he would occasionally go into Atlanta to pick up 101 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.959 prostitutes whenever he lived in Georgia. 102 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:51.879 Okay, now you've uh got right into Jeremy Bryan Jones here, 103 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:55.120 but we have a different name for him, So explain 104 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:59.319 that whole. That's a very fascinating story because it's so important. Uh, 105 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.240 just tell us who Jeremy Brian Jones is first, and 106 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.319 then we can get into the rest go back into 107 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:08.920 the background as much as you have found out in 108 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:12.879 your book and tell us who Jeremy Brian Jones was. 109 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:14.079 What was his character like. 110 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:20.759 Well, there's not much information available about his early childhood 111 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:25.519 and background at that time, but he came from a 112 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:31.160 very lower class family that there was a lot of turbulence, 113 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.120 drinking and drugs and things of that nature involved, and 114 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:39.759 his mother had some pretty serious drinking and drug issues too, 115 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:46.600 for which he was arrested on one occasion. And he 116 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.160 was not none of his family was very educated. But 117 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.720 he always had the ability to sort of talk his 118 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:59.319 way out of trouble and charm himself into anything that 119 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:02.560 he wanted to get an entry to. And he had 120 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:06.199 a pretty bad temper to go along with his his 121 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:09.959 charm and his conceit. Also, he thought very highly of 122 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.560 himself even from a young age, but uh when his 123 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.600 temper got the best of him. Well, the first incident 124 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.720 on his his record of any kind of trouble was 125 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.199 a schoolyard fight when he was just a little boy, 126 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:24.720 and when the mother of the boy that he was 127 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.600 fighting with showed up to pick her son up from 128 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.759 school and saw him and Jones tied up out in 129 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.600 the dirt in the school yard. She rushed out to 130 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.720 try to break things up, and he turned on her 131 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:38.879 and knocked her down to the ground. In him just 132 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.839 a small boy, so that that was the first thing 133 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.879 on his record, and it was sort of an indication 134 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:49.480 of things to come. And he was a big favorite 135 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.800 with the muckers of the girls that he dated in 136 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.439 high school or was friends with, because he'd always he 137 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.879 was like the Eddie Haskell of of criminals, I guess 138 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.680 you could say, and they all liked him. He was 139 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.000 the boy I'll hope that their daughters would end up marrying, 140 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.399 which looking back now, I'm sure they feel differently. And 141 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.600 he started experimenting with drugs in high school and started 142 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:20.199 to show a pretty dark side there and eventually worked 143 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.639 his way around to some sexual assaults and attempted rapes 144 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.759 and things of that nature that sent him to court. 145 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:34.120 What type of drugs was he doing? And maybe tell 146 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:38.240 us the nature of the extent basically of those sexual 147 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:43.080 assaults was what was involved early on. And you say 148 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:45.360 these are some of his first criminal charges, and you say, 149 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.279 you know, you're talking about the the school yard fight 150 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.120 being an indication. Tell us about the extent of those 151 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.600 sexual assaults and tell us what happened as a result 152 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:56.919 of those. 153 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:03.240 Well, the sexual assaults I think were primarily brought about 154 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:08.120 by Matthews. He was very much into crystal math from 155 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.320 a pretty early time there. That was his drug of 156 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:12.879 choice right from the beginning. 157 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:13.639 Okay. 158 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.080 And there's not too many details on record about those 159 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.120 assaults because both he and the girls involved were still 160 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.679 juveniles at that time. Okay, so we can't learn very 161 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:29.159 much about that except that, uh one of the girls 162 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:32.639 said that he threatened her with a pistol and and 163 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:36.320 the other girl, you know, made a few other similar claims, right, 164 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:40.559 And because of those two incidents, he went into a 165 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:42.879 a program that they had in effect at the time, 166 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.440 sort of a rehabilitation program, and he was required to 167 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.480 go to therapy and and it was a residence type situation, 168 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:56.440 and he on very many occasions would get mad and 169 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.039 disrupt the proceedings and and storm out of his his 170 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:04.639 group sessions and things of that nature. So he was 171 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.080 working his way up to a lot of problems. And 172 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:12.080 then when he got out of that situation, he tried 173 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:16.279 a couple of other incidents and got arrested for those 174 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.000 and then failed to show up, so he was wanted 175 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:23.080 on failure to appear, So you. 176 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.879 Say the book, he becomes in essence a fugitive at 177 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:27.000 that point, mm hmm. 178 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:32.679 Right, that's when he after he completed this treatment program 179 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:35.159 that obviously did no good, then he went back out 180 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:41.240 reoffended and then failed to appear. And that's when he 181 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.600 started looking for a way out of trouble so that 182 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.559 he wouldn't get arrested on those charges. 183 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:51.159 And what was his solution for not being captured again 184 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:54.240 and returned to the prison to face some time for 185 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:54.919 these charges. 186 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.799 Well, his mother really helped him out of that situation. 187 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:02.720 She ran into a fellow one night in a bar, 188 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.960 obviously pretty drunk drunker than she was because she could 189 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:11.799 still out talk him at that stage, and she convinced 190 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:14.320 him that her poor boy was about to get railroaded 191 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:18.240 by the law and stepped to prison for something he 192 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:23.600 didn't do. And she claimed that this man volunteered his 193 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:28.360 social security and driver's license information, everything of that nature. 194 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.759 I think more likely she stole it from him while 195 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:34.440 he was drunk. Right, Well, Jones took all that uh 196 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.720 information that mama had secured for him and hopped a 197 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:42.039 bus to Alabama, and once he got down here, he 198 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:47.960 had a very easy time getting news allegedly replacement ID 199 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.639 with the Social Security number and and n name and 200 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.320 driver's license number and birthdate that he now had, and 201 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:00.919 he just very easily slipped into that identity and remained 202 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.480 John Paul Chapman for quite some time. He was no 203 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.600 longer Jemmy Brian Jones then, and in his mind and 204 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.639 everybody else that knew him that he met, all the 205 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:16.600 people he worked with, women he dated, everybody that knew 206 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.159 him from that day forward knew him as John Paul Chapman. 207 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.639 He essentially reinvented himself. The other part of his personality 208 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.320 was that he was a drifter. And you talk about 209 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.480 him securing work in different areas or having the premise 210 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.840 for being in the area working, and you include the 211 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.679 story of Hurricane Ivan in with the story because it 212 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:42.120 just happens to be that was a threat in that 213 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.639 area at that time. Tell us a little bit about 214 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:50.440 what type of work that John Paul Chapman chose and 215 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:55.200 seemed to be a convenient reason for him being traveling 216 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.679 around and not staying put in one area. 217 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.759 Well, he was the construction worker and had evidently had 218 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:06.679 enough experience in enough different construction feels that he could 219 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:10.799 get work very easily. And when he first came to Alabama, 220 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.559 he got to work with a man named Mark Bentley 221 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:18.559 and worked with him awhile. Then he went over into Georgia. 222 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.960 He liked to do hurricane and and tornado clean up. 223 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.039 He he was He was real fond of doing that 224 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.559 type work because it kept him moving around and and 225 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.279 it paid very well. So he went over to Georgia 226 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:37.159 and worked a while over there, pretty good while, because 227 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.360 he he committed several murders over that way, or claimed 228 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.159 to have committed several murders, know for sure that he 229 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:51.080 did a couple, but uh, that was why he liked 230 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.639 to move around so he could he could kind of 231 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:56.519 follow storms. And when he saw Hurricane Ivan was about 232 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.879 to come in and hit the mobile area where Bentley lived, 233 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:06.039 he immediately decided that he would go down there and 234 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:08.919 see if he could secure a job with him once again. 235 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.720 And he had been living with a woman for eighteen 236 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:17.120 months over in Georgia named Vicky Freeman, and he told 237 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:19.879 Vicky that he would go down there and get work 238 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.200 and then find him a place and she could come 239 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:29.039 and join him. So she thought she was due to 240 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:30.960 be joining him, and then all of a sudden she 241 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.519 learned when somebody knocked on her door in Georgia that 242 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.240 he was in jail for murder in Alabama and he 243 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.480 was not even who he had claimed to be for 244 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:44.080 the past eighteen months. So that was a rude awakening 245 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:44.559 for her. 246 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:49.080 Okay, now let's go back to just a little bit here, 247 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:52.480 so our audience was to get confused at all. Now 248 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.840 you talk about him being in two areas and with 249 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.039 a gentleman in Georgia, if I'm not correct, just correct me, 250 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:02.559 and a gentleman he had met through sort of casual 251 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.240 circumstances and the person that said, if you're ever in Georgia, 252 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.559 come stay with me, and certainly he took them up 253 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:13.360 on that offer, a person named McIntosh in Georgia. And 254 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.279 the other person that he befriended was this person as 255 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.360 you had mentioned, named Mark Bentley, very important character as well. 256 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:26.080 Now tell us about Lisa Nichols. Who Lisa Nichols is 257 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:32.639 in this story and how the two met. 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And lived 278 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:41.440 at Chumba Lane. 279 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.799 For necessary d wherever I lost in terms conditions eighteen plus. 280 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:48.000 And she was divorced and had a very cordial relationship 281 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.480 with her former husband. I think she must have had 282 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.720 cordial relationships with everybody she'd ever met, because she was 283 00:16:54.759 --> 00:17:00.960 so so well loved, and she kept in touch with 284 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:05.200 her her daughters and all of her other family members. 285 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:10.039 And Lisa lived next to Mark Bentley in a trailer 286 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:14.400 park there north of Mobile. She was his next door neighbor, 287 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.960 and she had left her home the night before the 288 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:23.119 storm was to hit to go and ride the storm 289 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:26.559 out with one of her daughter's family and a motel 290 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:28.640 farther up to the north where they'd be more out 291 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.720 of the way of the projected path of the storm 292 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:35.400 Kay And then when she returned home to check for damage, 293 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:39.480 Jones had had shown up next door looking for work 294 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:44.039 again with Mark Bentley, and he noticed her and a 295 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.920 sort of homed in own her and had uh commented 296 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:54.000 to his friend Bentley's cousin that uh he would be 297 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:58.880 quite interested in making time with her if the opportunity arose, 298 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:01.640 and uh because said, well, you better leave her alone. 299 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.400 You know, she's way out of your league. And by 300 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.519 that time Jones was so high on math and several 301 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.000 other drugs that he and the cousin had been indulging 302 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:18.000 in while Bentley and his wife were a way that 303 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.160 just sort of made him that much more determined to 304 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:22.240 go next door and see about her. 305 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:28.559 Now you say that he that the cousin, and we're 306 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.720 talking probably about Scooter Coleman said, yg Listen, listen, you're 307 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:34.640 this woman is out of your league. And what you 308 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:38.680 mean by this leap is that Scooter Coleman and definitely 309 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.559 Mark Bentley and Steve and mister McIntosh and Georgia all 310 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:46.240 of these people recognized very quickly that they had a 311 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:50.160 person that was unreliable and definitely had a major, major 312 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.440 crystal meth or a major drug problem living in their 313 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.720 midst which created all kinds of problems. So he wasn't 314 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:58.680 the most trusted person. So when you say that, I 315 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.119 just wanted to make sure people under when you say 316 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:03.400 out of his league, he really meant that they were 317 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.400 friends with this this lady as everyone was Lisa Nichols, 318 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.680 and they definitely didn't think this person was that they 319 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:13.119 should introduce or encourage any kind of relationship. 320 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:17.720 Oh absolutely, that's that's the case. And Lisa did not 321 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.759 date people. You know, she concentrated on work and her 322 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.799 family and she was not out looking for a good 323 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:28.759 time in that sense at all, and would never have 324 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.400 had anything to do with somebody like Jones. 325 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:37.079 Now, what was the circumstances with Lisa Nichols being found? 326 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:41.279 What what happened next? Why was why were they in 327 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:44.079 the company of each other? Does anyone know? Tell us 328 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.000 a little bit about what the circumstances of the next 329 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:49.119 few hours? What happened? 330 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.640 Well, apparently, while Lisa was staying at the motel with 331 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:57.880 her daughter's family, Jones broke in next door and stole 332 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:04.400 a pistol. And then that uh night, after Lisa had 333 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:08.359 had returned home. Then uh, as soon as things kind 334 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:10.880 of quieting down in the neighborhood, John's left the trailer 335 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.799 and went next door and uh pretty much forced his 336 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:19.559 way into the trailer and started making advances, and Lisa 337 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:24.720 naturally ordered him out, and he got t re angry, 338 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.640 and he was He said that at the time that 339 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:29.640 he was higher than he'd ever been in his life. 340 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:34.119 So raped her. Then he shot her. He put her 341 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:37.559 in her body in the bathtub and attempted to set 342 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.440 it on fire, trying to burn the trailer down. And 343 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:45.119 before all the evidence and the trailer was shut up 344 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:49.319 so tight that none of the smoke escaped, and nobody 345 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:51.359 in the neighborhood could tell that there had been a 346 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:55.039 fire inside. And when she didn't answer, her phoned it 347 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:59.400 all the following day. The two daughters came that night 348 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.160 to check up on her and walked in with flashlights 349 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:06.000 and and found the trailer full of smoke and their 350 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:09.440 mother's body in the bathtub. And that was that was 351 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:13.960 an absolutely horrifying experience for them. They were very traumatized 352 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:17.640 by it, and I I I can't even imagine what 353 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.240 it would have been like for them to walk in 354 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:24.079 and find something like that. And of course there was 355 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:26.319 a a big cry was set up and all the 356 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.279 neighbors from all around came running to try to help 357 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.920 and see what was the matter, except for Jones. And 358 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.359 he sat right there next door watching TV while everybody 359 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:40.759 else was outside seeing what happened, because he knew what 360 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:41.359 had happened. 361 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:46.319 Did the police also find evidence that she was sexually 362 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:47.440 violated as well? 363 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:53.799 Oh yes, m first and then shot and and put 364 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:59.640 in the bathtub. And he just he evidently just went 365 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:00.559 into a frenzy. 366 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:07.319 Now you say that, uh, clearly that there's a an 367 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.880 investigation looking for a killer. Tell us what happens next. 368 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:13.480 How long does it take for them to identify the 369 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.119 killer Jeremy Brian Jones. 370 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:20.920 Well, they didn't arrest him as Jeremy Brian Jones because 371 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:24.839 his luck would have it, his false id held for 372 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:28.240 for quite some time after he was arrested. But Uh, 373 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:31.480 when the murderer just was discovered, several of the other 374 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.400 neighbors reported that there was a new person in the area, 375 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.680 and Uh described the vehicle that he was in, and 376 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:43.160 Mark Bentley, his former employer, was able to give him 377 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:47.240 his name and social Security number and both dates of 378 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.319 the man that he knew as John Paul Chapman, right, 379 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:53.640 and Uh he had disappeared from Bentley's home to da 380 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.680 after the murder, and so they immediately had their prime 381 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:01.400 suspect in Four days after the murder, one of the 382 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:06.559 lead investigators got a phone call from Chapman and managed 383 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.920 to keep him on the phone on enough for the 384 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.000 call to be traced, and another one of the investigators 385 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:17.839 went to the location and found him and arrested him 386 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:20.240 right there, still on the phone with the other officer. 387 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:23.920 So he was he was immediately arrested and charged in the. 388 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:29.079 Murder now let's just go back just just a wee 389 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:31.240 bit before we get to this next and you know, 390 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:37.079 very exciting part of the story. He was arrested. You 391 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.920 telling your book that he was arrested a couple other 392 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.240 times in between a long period of over a period 393 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:48.240 of three years, and his fingerprints obviously would be taken 394 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:51.720 at that time. And despite those fingerprints being entered into 395 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:55.839 the FBI's database that would do comparative studies between fingerprints, 396 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.160 he was never the names were never associated. Just tell 397 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:01.599 us a little bit about that and then go on 398 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.279 to the next What happened. 399 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.920 Next, Well, nobody has ever been able to pin down 400 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:11.240 exactly how that happened. But uh, when he was arrested 401 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.880