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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, thank you for joining us again on the

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Seafood Matters podcast. Today, I'm please to welcome back David Stevens,

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skipper of the Crystal Sea Fishing out of Newlyn. Last

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week I spoke to Mark and Simon from Assured Marine,

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the manufacturers of the propeller coatings. Today I'm speaking to David,

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the man turning the shafts, because in fishing, claims don't

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matter what results do. If a propeller coatings improves efficiency,

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reduces fouling, or saves fuel, that shows up in the books,

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or if it doesn't, it quietly disappears. So let's hear

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from the man who are actually using it. Welcome back

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to Seafood Matters, David.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jah, good to see again and good to be back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I agreed to have you back again. Tell

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us our listeners a bit. You've had a fairly let

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them in career, different things you're involved with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jim, you know, me and my brother Alec, we're

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working the t all is still the twenty five vot

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Crystal c.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We we like to invest in in modern technology and

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things are going to benefit the business. And you know

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we've we've done that with the science in the past.

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You know, we've done that with the business itself, you know,

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investing in new vessel and we just you know, try

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and continue to do that. Anywhere we can save money

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that you know is it's going to be a bonus

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for the business as what we're always trying to achieve.

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So you know, we've just recently we've been focusing on

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where we can save money and fuel is by far

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our biggest cost, so we've been really focusing on how

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we can sort of lessen that.

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Speaker 1: You yourself were involved, you're still cheering in the Fishing

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in the Future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, still very much involved in Fishing in the Future,

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and really please say it's going great. We've had free

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freat events this year that's on the back of the

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three we had last year. So the team are just

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doing great, really really well. But one thing I find

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with the Fish in the Future, you know, meeting lots

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of different fishermen and lots of different scientists and managers,

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you're learning all the time. You know, it's a really

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good place to really gather ideas and you know, other

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people are trialing things and if they're saying good, you

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get to get to have a go at yourself. So

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I work with Agent Barlett as you know, he was

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very much involved with fishing in the future, and you know,

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I still got a good relationship with Age and his

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friend of mine, and that's really how we ended up

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going down the road of the propeller coating because we

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had the Ecomotus eco probed about and he knows that

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we are like are key to maintain efficiencies and we're always.

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Speaker 2: Willing to trial something.

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Speaker 3: So he put me in touch with with Mark at

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the issued Prepella Coding.

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Speaker 1: Before we start. I've spoken a lot about the octopus

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bloom and in a recent podcast with Barry Stewart, who's

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done a lot biking review on it, I've heard that

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we it's affected ports and things like that, affecting eurofishing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: We we don't see a huge men of octopus. We

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might get maybe three or four octopus, maybe a basket

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of octopus in their nets at one time. They seem

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to like going in pots, so you know, we're not

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we're not seeing them in the numbers like that. But

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I suppose the way it's affected that it's so much

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affected the whitefish that we've noticed yet. But definitely crabfishing.

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You know, this time of year, we wouldn't see a

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lot of crabs anyway. You know, maybe you're sort of

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what we call a bongo fifty kilos for your trip.

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But we's last few weeks we've hardly seen a crab,

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and I can only hope either they're hiding buried up

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in the sand and hiding, or we've got a big

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problem with the crab fishery. The only thing I can

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say is if we do get a crab in the net.

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A few weeks ago, we were seeing the old crab

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or two and you know, you get the shell come up,

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it looks like a perfectly normal crab, and when you

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get to pick it up, it's it's just nothing. It's

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light as a feather, and you turn it over on

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the on the undershell side, there'll be a hole in

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it and the octopus that's obviously in their net.

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Speaker 2: I've got hold of the crab and like.

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Speaker 3: An alien life one and they've injected it whatever they do,

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and they sucked all of the meat and everything out

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of it. There's nothing in it. It's like a cat's shell.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're quite.

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Speaker 3: They are weird things, you know, they go around the

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deck like an a life form. I can imagine me

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and the crew were saying, you can imagine the film

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Alien was based on what these these things act like.

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quite quickly. When they want to change in color constantly,

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you know, matching any you put them on like a

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silver surface, they'll go silver. You put them on a

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white surface, they will be white red surface. You know,

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you can move them aback and they'll just change color. Clever,

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very clever animals.

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Speaker 1: And it's a through time. Is it changing any they're

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ticking off or disappearing? The don't do I wondered, from

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what I've heard with a few boats are successfully catching

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a lot of them and doing well, And I just wonder,

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is it is it reasonable? I think we could fetter

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the mood.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about fishing about that. They're blue, so yeah,

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I mean, I don't think you could just go out

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and just fish every one of them.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can do it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they've come from nothing to being everywhere for

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the crabbers, and you can only hope, you know that.

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I suppose the only hope for the industry is this

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isn't the one off that you know, this does get

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become established, because if they've eaten out all of the

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shelbish stocks, then you know, those vessels haven't got anything

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to go to beyond this for a few years. So

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you know, we can only hope that they keep coming. Apparently,

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I think according to Brice, they have like a couple

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of year life cycle. They're not catching them in the

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numbers that they were catching them, so they're not bunching

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quite as much as they were. Seem to be spread

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out more now.

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Speaker 2: Whether they're spread out.

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Speaker 3: Because they're looking for food or what, I don't know,

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but they're down in the area where I work. Around

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where I work now, the crabbers are just working about

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ten or fifty miles and the same for me at

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the moment. But I don't think the catches are quite

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as high. So be interesting in what happens the next

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few months, continue to catch and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, eig and on the subject, tell us about

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the Crystal Sea live, the size, take gear, tay, typical

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groans and working pattern.

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Speaker 3: Well, we we tried to do six day trips. Generally

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we're working twin rig gear. We work one hundred and

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eighty foot foot ropes on each net and then we

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have a quite long sweet bridles there. We try and

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get around about six hundred feet between the troll dolls.

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one's you know, generally going. We're bringing before all of

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the fuel saving equipment that we have bought a boat.

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We used to be around about eighteen hundreds eighteen fifteen

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liters a day, and then since we fitted the Eco Motus,

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we've saved around about sort of eight percent with that,

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so we've we've took that fuel letridge down to our

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own seventeen hundred litres a day and we're saving more

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with the well while as I can see you so

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far with with the coating, which is yeah, I didn't

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think we do, but it is measurable.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. What made you look at Courtly in Europe Propeller

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in the in the first.

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Speaker 3: Place, Well, Adrian Bartlett of Como has put me in

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touch with Mark, and Mark was looking for, you know,

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to trial it on fishing vessels because this was something

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they have done for I think he was saying that

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for yachts and high performance vessels like speedboats in the

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racing world, and he thought, well, there's no reason why

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it wouldn't work. You know, larger, you know, more clumsy

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vessels like fishing boats. So he put me in touch

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with him, and I was just told to, you know,

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Mark's going to come. But I asked a little bit

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about it. But I just trusted Adrian because you know,

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he's in that world of I've been looking at, you know,

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these techniques to save for your agent. Mark offered to

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come and do the coating, you know, as a trial.

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Just put a cleaner propeller up as keen as like

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I get it, and you'd come down and.

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Speaker 2: Put it all together.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't really know anything beyond that other than

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the agent had organized it. So I was like, well,

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you know, I wouldn't say I was skeptical, but I was,

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you know, less, give it a go, why not, you know?

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So I got my propeller all cleaned up and it

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was looking all nice and shiny, because generally my pella

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ends up with he's not hanging with weed, but it'd

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have a sheen of weed on it that you know,

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if you run your nail down it, you'd put it

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be able to put a scratch Mark in it. So

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he's heavy enough of weed, but because he's always turning,

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it never gets fully coated. I give it a good

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jets brain up and then I got the I got

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the sound around sounded all that was, but it was

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like I knew it was. I was quite pleased with

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my effort. It took me all day. I did it,

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and then the next day Mark came and you know,

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great guy, really good to talk to, and I learned

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an enormous about chemical engineering because he's been in the

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world of chemical engineering and this was just something that

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it's a passion of his. I mean, I think you've

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spoken to him, so he's probably took you through that

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and you could really see that come out. You know,

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he spent his life in chemical engineering. He'd you know,

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he just living there and I think he's just looking

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to sort of gives you know, he's obviously got an

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extremely good chemical minded brain. You know, you know, he

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really knows what he's doing. And he came with these

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pots in you know, like speakers and stuff, and he

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was mixing it while I was chatting away. He was

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telling me all about his career and all about chemistry

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and stuff. He's fascinated and he just made it up

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and then you know, he applied it on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: He asked what he was doing along the way and

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he said, well, basically, he's making a polymer. So you know,

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he made it and he put it on his several

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coats in several stages. And then after we had finished

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doing this it took maybe an hour and a half

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something like that to do the mixed. Two hours and

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something like that, it was ready. And it's strange, you know,

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I have todmit. When it went on, I was like, well,

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I wasn't expecting that. It wasn't like a varnish. It

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looked like a varnish, but it wasn't. You could by

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the time it had finished, you could say push it,

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give it a little nudge, and then it would sort

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of go back to its original form. So it was

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quite my appliable. But you know, he assured me that

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this would make the propeller more slippery, cut through the

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water easier.

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Speaker 2: And it has a long life.

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Speaker 3: So that was what we did at the slip, and

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after I finished up the slip, it was time to

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go away and see if it worked.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that fascinated in me with a

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chart remark mainly has and the Brian he has but

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to go from the mouth to propeller to see you know,

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he's talking about the similarities. I don't know how anybody

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could take Similard. It is between what goes on in

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our mouths and what goes on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was great. I liking him too, the

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guy from Breaking Bad.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It was you know, he's concocting these chemicals and I

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that's what he does. He's he's a chemist. But he

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assured me that the process that he had put together,

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it wouldn't be very difficult for him to teach. It

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didn't look overly difficult for me. I mean, if if

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it was, if it was numbered, you know, in pots,

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and then you just had a little prep sheet. I'm

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sure that you know, anyone could mix out anyone wh

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knew about painting, you know, and we've got plenty of

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great guys, you know about painting boats and mixing paint.

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I think I think they'd be more than capable of

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mixing this.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the plant, you know, and you Obviously

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before before this, you weren't coming at it with problems

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you would experience we folding or was it or is

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it more as you said, to just give it a gore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more good to go because obviously, you know

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we take the boat. We only take the boat out

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of the water once a year because it's very difficult

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to take the boat out of the order down here.

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they can take the boat out of the water and

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any tide. We're very tidal down here, and the slips

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are really full. You know, it's not not we don't

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have a lot of slip capacity at all. So it's

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something we and I only do every year. And mainly

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our main effort is to get the bottom clean, get

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the coolers clean, really important to keep the engines cool.

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And obviously everything makes a difference with efficiency. Clean the

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bottom you'd be saving three or four liters an hour.

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And I never really thought does the propeller make a difference,

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and you know Mark said it will you know, would

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a sheen of weed make a difference on it? I

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didn't know. I have to say, is one of them. Well,

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it's worth giving a go. We all know a very

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clean propeller would be you know, effissient.

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Speaker 2: But does it.

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Speaker 3: Create more grip, you know, because it's all in towing

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vessels or grip, and I did, I did wonder whether

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it would make a difference, but we certainly found out

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within the first week it was quite actually, you know, it.

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Speaker 2: Was like, it's this real. And I didn't say anything.

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Speaker 3: I said, when you go to see next week, just

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you tell me if it's any different side the first

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trip back, and what I was finding was we do

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sometimes we'll steam ten to fifteen minutes between grounds. We

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just lift in tow and getting the boat lined up

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for the next toe.

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Speaker 2: And we do that.

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Speaker 3: We put the foot rope on the rail back half

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each side and we just steam with the stockings out

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over the stern. So you're not steaming fully efficient efficiently

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because you know, you've got drag, but not the whole

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drag that you would have when you're towing. And we

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only steam with ten and fifteen minutes. It's just easy

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to leave them out. And I've never seen the boat

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do eight knots with the with the stockings in the water,

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we're generally about six point ninety seven knots about same

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reps thirteen hundred rofs on the engine and we're doing

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eight knots. I say, this must be more tied or

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it must be a bit of flow in the water,

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you know, pushing us along. So I said, ab Alex,

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what had happened? And I said, you know, just see

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if you notice any difference.

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Speaker 2: And he did.

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Speaker 3: He said yeah, he said, because he does pretty much

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the same as Idea. See and he said, yeah, we

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were like and not faster. And then when we were

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steaming in, you know, it wasn't so noticeable. With without

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the drag, we're definitely half a lot more steaming speed.

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And we've maintained that still. It was six months or

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more now since I was at the slip. We're still

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maintaining that efficiency. So I wasn't expecting that at all.

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But we had to measure the fuel performance. We had

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a few weeks of quite poor weather not long after

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we'd done the the coating through September. I said to Mark,

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I think there's a difference, but I said, I can't

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measure it poor weather because I'm using more fuel to

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try and push through the weather. So it's it's a

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hard time to know. So we left it two or

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three months and we had a finer spell for a

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few weeks in October. It was and I've definitely seen

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a difference in the in the fuel consumption. You know,

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we measured it over a few trips, you know, because

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we we we've just divide our time at sea in

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hours by what we've taken and if you do that

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over a few trips compared to what it was before.

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We quite regularly do this, and I'd say to anyone

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who you know, if you're going to trial something like

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the ecomotis or the or the yeah, the polymer on

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the prop, and just make sure you get a few

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fine trips together before you do anything, so you know

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what your average fuel usage is per day over a trip,

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and then you've got some a benchmarker measure.

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Speaker 1: From Obviously I'm not freshmen were the experience that you

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have day But one of the things that did really

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surprise me for the coating on that it's more important

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on the prop than the How Now when you think

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of the all the plates and that the amount area

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it's ticking up and it's in the water and I've

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seen boats, maybe I'm sure you've got it down their

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boats that have maybe been tied up for a bit

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a few weeks for some reason, and there are growth

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on their hulls. I've seen actually hanging and just what

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you were saying that you found with propeller when you

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would put at your finger and see a mark. Maybe

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they would get pressure washers and things like that to

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clean it. Obviously, maybe I've not got engineer in mind,

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but to think that it's more important to get that

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coating on the prop and the hull, I thought it

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was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I yah, Mark, I mean I don't think it

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would be. I think the propellers we just you know,

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it's the moving part, isn't it. And I think that's

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where you're just going to for the the amount of coverage,

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you're going to gain the most gain, you know, I

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don't I dare say if you put it right across

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the hole, you would get a gain. But that's an

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awful lot of polymer that would probably cost a lot

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of money to do that. I can imagine them doing

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it on speedboats in the yachts, but that's where he's

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probably got his knowledge from because he's done it with

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speedboats and yachts and well, we're definitely with speedboats, so

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he's been coaching everything I would have thought on a speedboat.

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But then he's probably done the experiments where he's just

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done the propellers and found that it was just more

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efficient to do the propellers.

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Speaker 1: H And who applayed the cut in the yard manufactor yourself?

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Speaker 3: No, it was Mark himself and the yard was extremely interested.

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Paul Tom's was, you know, very keen. He's looking at

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it because Paul also racist yachts and he was thinking,

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he's a bit left over, can it pop it on

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my yacht?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he he was really interested in it.

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Speaker 3: But I think what you know, Mark has took the

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right approach where you know, he can't be all over

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the country doing this, but you know every yard has

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its painting and he doesn't see that it's a big

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leap for them to learn and how to do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, he will.

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Speaker 3: Sell the products to the people who are applying it,

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and they'll be applying it, so I think he will

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keep a fir bit of oversight on it. We're coming

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out of the water, hopefully in April at some point

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for a quick sort of spash and dash because I'm

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going to try to push the boat onto September this

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year for the full painter. So I've got to come

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out of the water at some point, so it'll be

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interesting to see. Hey, the polymers. Hey he's got on

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you know, but I got I've got a boat camera,

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an on the water camera looking at a propeller, you know,

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but that's for other reason. That's for you know, in

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case we pick something up. So at the moment, you know,

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obviously my propeller was gleaming when I left the yard,

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but I think it's in better condition than it otherwise

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would be. You know, the propeller's still looking goldie color.

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So I think by now we would we would have

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seen it looking more green with the weed by now.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. And the host street forward was a preparation. Well,

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he was mixing it in front of me. He would say,

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but say put one and two together, and there was

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a different amount in one pot than the other. And

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then he would pour it.

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Speaker 3: Into a little like a little hub, and then we

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just brought it on, you know, just like you would

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paint like painting, and then cover of that and you

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can easily see it because obviously it has a sheine

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to it, and the rest of it doesn't. And then

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that was left for maybe half an hour or so,

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I can't quite remember. And then he he'd mix up

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another amount I can't remember if he did free mixes,

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and he slowly built this layer of polymer up I

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think marvelup will explain. This one was like a bass coat.

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The next was the base of the polymer, and then

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then the next one made the polymer. So I think

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there was free coats. I can't quite remember, but it

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didn't look yeah. I mean he proportioned it all out

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before he came, so I think the really clever bit

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is he would send proportioned domounts out to people, so

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there's already made mix and it's like a recipe. It'll

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all go together, and he'll give you the how to

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do it, which wasn't difficult. And I think the clever

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bit is just what's in it. You know, he's obviously

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making the chemicals and he's got the chemical background of

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how it all goes together, so it's just repeating that

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process then, which I presume you would give training to

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the people who were replying it.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating when it was somebody who well, yes, it's

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important that he had the background knowledge about the product,

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but you would you would imagine to come up with

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something like that, his knowledge would have been more on

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what goes on the sea and who the propeller reacts

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with the sea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think he spends a lot of time on the

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seat himself though. He's a bit of a passionate and

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I think that's where that that comes from. So yeah,

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I mean, I suppose chemistry is just if you if

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you've learnt it well and to the level that he's

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learned at.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's just chemistry.

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Speaker 3: It's beyond me, but you know it's that's his That's

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been his life, and you know he's he's he's been

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in the industry doing this on large scales, like you said,

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with making it too taste.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all sorts of different recipes, you know, but they

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all seeing up here, they have one that one is

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each to the own.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an expert in this field.

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Speaker 1: Were you skeptical before seeing in the water.

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Speaker 2: Just more open minded?

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Speaker 3: I was just like, well, you know, I just like

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you know, like a lot of fisherman, I would give

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it a go. You know's what's the harm in giving

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it a go? You can't do any harm. So you know,

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if it didn't work, it wouldn't worked, you know what

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I mean. I always say, well, I won't do it again,

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So there was no lots to me. You know, price

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it's going to go out at eventually. I don't know

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if you said a price, but I definitely think. I mean,

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if you're saving four percent on a week for us,

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you know, I mean, you know, at the moment the

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fuel price has gone bananas, so you know we'll be

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spending probably ten thousand pain or if you also four

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percent is a big saving at the moment, but you know,

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but normal going if the prices around that's sixty pence

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a liter mark you know, well, you know you're saving

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four percent. If you're spending six phasan pouind it's four

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percent of that. So it's a weekly saving, it's a

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few and a quid each week.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, to see it goes overly a little hill.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 3: I mean with my combined savings that have made with

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the ecmodus and the you know, the papana coating. I

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went to see the accountant late last year and she

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had noticed through the account She said, oh, you're saving

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I'm sure she said, I can see it for the

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leaders you're taken. And I was like quietly impressed, because

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you know, she's one of those account that's really lied

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to get into the numbers. And I was like, yeah,

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there's a reason for it, because she always asked like,

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is that reason for it?

475
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Speaker 2: You know, she likes to know because she's found it.

476
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:29,519
I was like, yeah, there is.

477
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 3: So I told her, and I was quite preshly spotted it, actually,

478
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,279
but I was quite pleased that she did because.

479
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: I'd never told her.

480
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 3: I never pre warned her, but so she had seen it,

481
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,519
and I was like, well, it just reinforced it backed

482
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,480
up what me and Alec were seeing that the account

483
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,400
didants have seen it as well, so you know we've

484
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,799
seen it from a value point of view.

485
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,559
Speaker 1: My response to that, Dave would be, don't give up

486
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,920
your accountant either. That's the sayings of a good one

487
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,559
because my goodness, for them to spot that, that's fantastic.

488
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.

489
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,839
Speaker 3: I was pretty impressed. Yeah, she impressed me. You know,

490
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,640
she's just one of them girls. She likes to get that,

491
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,359
she likes to get to an answer. She's quite scary. Actually,

492
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,480
you sit in front of it. He's only a little good. Yes,

493
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,720
have you some questions?

494
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:22,079
Speaker 2: I think you'd like pay you you're not paying me? Yeah,

495
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:22,960
she's good.

496
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:28,839
Speaker 1: Did that any time you think this may be just

497
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,200
another expensive experiment?

498
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: No?

499
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because it because it was a trial.

500
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,680
You know, obviously I had nothing to lose on it.

501
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,759
So if he had come, well it's potential they asked

502
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:43,799
for you know, I suppose it was a rain, the

503
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:45,759
sort of five Z under paint mark. I'd been, yeah,

504
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:46,519
well I give you a go.

505
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: Why not?

506
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,799
Speaker 3: You know, but like everything comes down to price at

507
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,079
the end of the day, doesn't it. You know, you've

508
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:56,720
got to pitch it right for people to experiment, and

509
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,359
and you know, different people of a different level of

510
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,640
spend it. Sure on fuel, you know, so for air vessels,

511
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,680
something like air vessel and working your way through the

512
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,759
size of the fleet to bean trollers you know, more

513
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:12,680
high fuel usage vessels, towing vessels like us, then spending

514
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,440
money in this area is is well worth it, you know.

515
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,200
If you're more static gear type vessels, yeah, maybe fuel's

516
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,440
not so big a consideration. It's more about sort of

517
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:24,359
you know, your gear that you got in the water

518
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,119
and your bait that you've got to put in the

519
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,000
gear so, you know, so for toaed vessels, I would

520
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:30,640
say it certainly you want to go out and think

521
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,640
about it, because but whatever you do, if you want

522
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,279
to measure it, just do a little bit of work beforehand,

523
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,160
you know.

524
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,799
Speaker 1: And excuse this question, that's maybe showing my lack of

525
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,640
experience or knowledge, but I would take it. When you're

526
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,839
talking about percentages, bigger engine burning more fuel, the slings

527
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:55,000
would be bigger as well.

528
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, if if you've got a bean troller

529
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,880
burning you know, twice as much of what I've done,

530
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,119
obviously they're going to get twice a saving on it,

531
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:05,079
you know, So they wouldn't be that much bigger propeller

532
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,839
than we are. Yeah, they're gonna they're going to definitely

533
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,960
get a saving. So yeah, I didn't encourage anyone to

534
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,599
do it. I'm always surprised that more people don't get

535
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:18,079
involved with these with like looking at these things up.

536
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,559
Speaker 2: People do.

537
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: But I'm just surprised it's not more popular. You know,

538
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,119
everything that we've experimented within with the fuel saving so

539
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,559
far has been a winner for us, and I'm just

540
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,359
surprised it's it's not more popular and it's not it

541
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,759
just doesn't just win with the fuel saving. We are

542
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,839
one hundred not omitting what we used to admit. And

543
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,720
it's not that I'm looking to save the planet, but

544
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,799
I just think at some point if we went to

545
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:45,680
build a boat or for being forced down the road

546
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,640
of having a blue at some point a boat, there's

547
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,960
a solution on the shelf.

548
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,319
Speaker 2: It doesn't cost you. It saves your money when you

549
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,160
put it a board a boat.

550
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: You know.

551
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:58,039
Speaker 3: I wish the NCAA would support these initiatives more and

552
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:00,720
push them through as an alternative to some of the

553
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,160
ridiculous things that the industry is being made to fit.

554
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,319
These CATADATECIC converters that are being fitted on boats are enormous.

555
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,839
They're very costly to fit and to run. And so

556
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,359
the ecomotus is about the size of a computer and

557
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,839
you just top it up with a bit of water

558
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,359
and it saves you ten percent on the fuel. It's

559
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,599
like it's a no brainer.

560
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:21,279
Speaker 1: It's just.

561
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why we're fumbling around in the dark.

562
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,519
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think our governments are helping well. Certainly

563
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,759
in Scotland they're all helping as much because they're not

564
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,200
giving very much assess that.

565
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,519
Speaker 3: No, I mean there are grants out there for I

566
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,440
don't know about the propeller coating product, but there's no

567
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,680
reason why it couldn't be could fall under that category

568
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:48,160
why not? But the ecomotives does. So you know there

569
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,680
are grants out there to get fifty percent off. And

570
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:54,599
we've just obviously taken our engine apart. We've done a

571
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,319
complete rebuild on their engine. Alec did that with Brian

572
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,359
the engineer, and you know it was in very very

573
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,519
good condition in some respects. We could have gone a

574
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:09,000
lot longer, but you know, we wanted to do it

575
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,160
plan maintenance because we didn't want to be held up

576
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:16,880
for you know, an unscripted one. But yeah, in no

577
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,559
way does any of this effects the engine materials withinside

578
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:23,000
the engine.

579
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: Nothing, So we've proved that.

580
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: So that was always a little concern for me when

581
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,240
when I first put the ecomotors the boat, will it

582
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,920
harm them the engine? And as time went on we

583
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,279
knew it wasn't. But to actually take the engine apart,

584
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:39,319
to see right inside the engine and have a good

585
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:41,720
look at it and find that as a fact, it's

586
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,240
it's you know, even cat for finnings come down and

587
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,680
said that's a very clean engine for what hours it's done.

588
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,160
And we'd already gone fifty percent over the hours that

589
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200
we should have done for the overhaul. So yeah, you

590
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,799
know that that just says it's the right product and

591
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:57,559
it's it's not going to do any harm.

592
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, easy thing with when we see it with government assistance,

593
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,279
that's in doing with you. But north of the border

594
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:11,839
in Scotland, if you went to the government and you

595
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,000
were going to make a fifty energy saving and yet

596
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,839
hosts they would be right with you with your board,

597
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,000
they're not.

598
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: No, No, I think we do need a sport business

599
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:25,559
more in this country.

600
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:26,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

601
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know in every way we're getting hit in

602
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,400
every direction at the moment, you know, through taxation, through

603
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,319
lack of support. Yeah, I think we just got to

604
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,160
grind it out and hope for a change.

605
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:42,839
Speaker 1: That's that's the SNP government who would probably tell us

606
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000
we're far right when they're ultra left.

607
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there we go.

608
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:52,119
Speaker 3: You know that it's slight the sense of people are

609
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,720
empower at the moment and people with any cont common

610
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,519
sense are just may keeping the country a flat.

611
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,519
Speaker 2: Really, we've got the unit running.

612
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: This isnum that's obviously you know there's a measurable difference

613
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:10,559
with fuel consumption. What about the rpm at cruising speed, vibration,

614
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:14,319
noise and conversation stuff like that.

615
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: Well we haven't.

616
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: Obviously we can we can do less revs because we're

617
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:20,920
getting more out of the fuel because we're burning the

618
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,119
fuel more efficiently. But there's no difference that I've noticed anything.

619
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,960
You know, the boat is, you know, she's quite about

620
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,440
really towing and not any changes that we've made. Haven't

621
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,680
made any alterations with with anything with any machinery, noise

622
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,039
or anything like that. Ye, the only thing is we

623
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:43,839
know we're just running cleaner, saving fuel and we're more efficient.

624
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,319
Speaker 1: And have you been weeks at sea and inspected what

625
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,599
did you what did it look like compared to maybe

626
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,599
uncoded prop at the same stage.

627
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: Well, only we've we do keep back cam clean. We

628
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,319
get diver come down every now and again just to

629
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:04,920
make sure the weed stays off it. And I was

630
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,599
at sea looking because you can't see it in the

631
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:10,039
harbor because the harbor's obviously the river actually running into

632
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:11,160
new it, which keeps the heart.

633
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,039
Speaker 2: We're a bit water is a bit dirty.

634
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:14,279
Speaker 3: But when we get out of the harbor we can

635
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,720
see the propeller, and I think it's looking cleaner.

636
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,359
Speaker 2: Than it would do.

637
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,759
Speaker 3: You know, I pretty much got the slip every August,

638
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,039
so we're not We're March now and we so it's

639
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,720
looking cleaner to me than it would otherwise do in

640
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:30,960
previous years.

641
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Has it taken any knock rope debris ground.

642
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,519
Speaker 3: In Yeah, we've had a couple of Like we had

643
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:41,119
a rope going a few weeks ago, but it was

644
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,480
only a small one and I haven't noticed any difference

645
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,319
in performance or anything like that. The rope when he

646
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,799
just went on the out of blades and it was

647
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:52,920
only in there for a minute if that. But we

648
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,720
haven't had anything knock it or anything like that. I

649
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,680
think we'll tell when we got the slip in April

650
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,119
how it's performing, you know, whether whether the polymers come

651
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,720
off or or whether it's still on. But I would

652
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,559
say at the moment still on, because we're still getting

653
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,839
that performance of extra speed, and we've still got the

654
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:13,160
fuel saving and it's still looking clean from the from

655
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,799
the camera point of view. So I'm hoping. I'm pretty

656
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,240
sure it'll be right, but it'll be interesting to get

657
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:20,160
down there and inspect it.

658
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: You what like a sea bed at the bottom. Have

659
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:27,359
you got there? Do you know who would cope with

660
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,839
sand er a breeze of sea bed? Yeah?

661
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: I think you're right to ask that, you know, like

662
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:36,240
a we'd see Newton's a bit like hard mud and

663
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,000
we don't really kick up a lot of dirt and that.

664
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,039
So I'm not in sandy areas kicking up pushing sound

665
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,359
from a propeller. But yeah, somewhere like say Saint As

666
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,920
for instance, you know, quite a very sandy harbor, quite

667
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,759
coarse sand. Yeah, you do, wondering that would affect it.

668
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,039
The answer to that is you'd have to try it,

669
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,319
give it a go, you know, I just don't know.

670
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,079
I mean, most of the time boats are see, aren't

671
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,599
they So it's only if you're driving them hard up

672
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,559
the beach. Yeah, yeah, you're ever going to have a

673
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:05,480
problem like that, and most people don't do that.

674
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Do you feel folin reduced compared to previous season this year?

675
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: No, I'd say it's been a warmer winter for us,

676
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,519
so the boat's looking a little bit weedier around the

677
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:23,239
hull than it would normally. That's why I'm probably going

678
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,079
to have got the stick in April, because I don't

679
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:28,320
think I'm going to get to September because the winter's

680
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,079
been so warm, and I think we're going to hire

681
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:30,960
we growth this year.

682
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,559
Speaker 1: That would make it even better than if if you're

683
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,119
not in that in the hole as it.

684
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, if the propeller is still clean but the hull

685
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,760
is getting dirt here this year, then yeah, that's another

686
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,400
win because obviously the propeller would go at the same

687
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,440
pace as the whole, wouldn't it.

688
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, part of chips. Does that compromise the rest?

689
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,599
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. Yeah.

690
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to have to go through this

691
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,519
year and then give it another coat. I'm quite confident

692
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,440
to give it another coat this year. For what I've

693
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,679
seen from it, I'd be doing it again. And I

694
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,679
just think use over time will give us an idea

695
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,079
of what it's doing. But because it's like a polymer,

696
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,559
I presume Mark made it like that, so it does

697
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:19,880
take that little bit of you know, he's going to

698
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,519
have a bit of a nudge or it will just

699
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,199
go back to its normal self. I presume if he

700
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,159
made it a hard surface that it would be more

701
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,880
prone to damage. So maybe that's why it's a polymer.

702
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have to ask him.

703
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have them back. Has it genuinely extended the

704
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:46,360
time between prop cleans or lift boots because that's obviously money.

705
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

706
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: Well, I'm obviously going to lift the boat out because

707
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:51,679
I've got to do everything else on the boat. I've

708
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,679
got to do the hull and I've got to do that.

709
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,519
The coolers mainly, I've got im bought coolers on the

710
00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:00,039
boat and they're like a little trap for muscles and

711
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,800
we you know, it's frisen, a weedy they get and

712
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,400
if I don't do them, the engine will will run

713
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,159
too hot. So that's the only reason I'm doing it.

714
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,360
So I'm not taking a boat out for the propeller,

715
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,199
but it will be I say interesting when we do

716
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,440
take around what condition pressent?

717
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: I get some pictures.

718
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: I make sure everyone has a good view of them,

719
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,119
and you know, if it's you know, I'll rise up

720
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:23,960
my findings.

721
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, we're in a full season. Where have you

722
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,119
seen the benefit consumption?

723
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,119
Speaker 3: And then just saving a little bit of time because

724
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480
you get in between the ground quicker. Obviously we're steaming

725
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:42,360
in quicker, So yeah, you're saving time. You know, you're

726
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,800
steaming a back quicker and then obviously more efficient. When

727
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,000
you're telling would you.

728
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:49,639
Speaker 1: Be happy spending money on that? If your phone it

729
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,840
you need you see it value? Yeah, No, I definitely

730
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,280
want to do it again. No, I'll be coating it again.

731
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,639
Give it another year, that's so sure.

732
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,679
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes it's a big part of you thinks, well,

733
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,559
let's not give it a coat, just to double check

734
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,679
everything we've seen. But I'm pretty confident in everything that

735
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,840
I've seen is is. Yeah, it's definitely made a difference,

736
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,800
you know, I'm pretty confident of that.

737
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: So I'll be doing it again.

738
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: What would make you stop using it? Who would you

739
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,039
recommend it do?

740
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: Well, I'd recommend to anyone who's doing hovid fishing, you know,

741
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,880
any beamer, Saint Netter Taller, I'd say, anyone's worth doing.

742
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,719
We've seen a difference. It doesn't it We're not going

743
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,719
to do any harp, nothing at all. So there was

744
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,480
nothing that would stop me using it, other than if

745
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:48,840
it didn't work. But it does work, so no, there's

746
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,880
no reason why I would.

747
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: Not use it. Indeed. Indeed, and I mean obviously you

748
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,360
built your board, you get your board built up in

749
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:03,960
Scotland here. So in all the do you feel that

750
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,239
for Maybe? I don't know if there'll be all that

751
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,039
much difference, but colder waders, different groans and things. Would

752
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,719
it make any difference in the far north of Scotland

753
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,519
to the far south of England.

754
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: No, because the polymer is making the propeller more slippy

755
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:26,000
and more grippy for some reason. I don't know how

756
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:30,760
that works, but it won't matter, you know. The temperature

757
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,719
of order I don't think makes any difference. I think

758
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,599
anyone who tries it in Scotland will see the same

759
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,800
as us. You know, we've got the same boats. She'st

760
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,039
as many boats like hours up in Scotland. No doubt

761
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:43,880
that they'll see the same performance as we have.

762
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just going to ask you for a picture

763
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:56,320
the scene. If you were local bar and a fisherman asked,

764
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:58,639
what would you tell.

765
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,679
Speaker 2: Them you're not a fishment asked me about it?

766
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,199
Speaker 1: When it's at the bar, you could include I'll just

767
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,519
buy me another drink.

768
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at the bar with the fisherman.

769
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: I just I just say, just get down the slip

770
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,480
and get get the stuff on your boat.

771
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:24,559
Speaker 2: You know it works, you know? Yeah? And then yeah, Bobby,

772
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,360
Bobby a drink next year when you know it's working.

773
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,119
Speaker 1: In other words, look, just go and do it.

774
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, just go and do it. Yeah. Yeah, it does

775
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,079
what it says on the team, it's Yeah, it works.

776
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: And obviously, as you've said, you would, you would invest

777
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:46,840
your own money to do that now annoying the benefits.

778
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: Of it, Yeah, it's gonna be well worth it. No,

779
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,360
I won't be I won't be hesitate you to do that.

780
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

781
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,039
Speaker 3: So hopefully it'll all be set up and there'll be

782
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,199
people there were training who will be applying it.

783
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,639
Speaker 2: So if if that's the case, then we'll be doing it.

784
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,039
Speaker 1: Is there anything that would make you stop using it?

785
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:09,159
Speaker 3: No, not not unless they get the mix wrong, you know,

786
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,039
and it doesn't work. But I'm sure they'll be trained well,

787
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,360
you know, and it didn't look that difficult, you know.

788
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:17,519
I'm sure if I was shown once, I could have

789
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:18,239
done it myself.

790
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 2: I think, you know.

791
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,159
Speaker 3: The only thing is you've got to clean your propeller up,

792
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,639
you know, So you've got to be but you either

793
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,239
you get someone of the yard to do it, or

794
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,480
you do it yourself like I did, And so you'll

795
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:29,920
be a day by the time you've get.

796
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,679
Speaker 2: Sprayed it and then got the grinder out and.

797
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: Give it a good polish well using a sander, so

798
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,920
you know, give it a good polish, get it as

799
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,239
clean as you can. It's the day's work. Well wors

800
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,880
for air prop. It's a big old props arms. My

801
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,519
arms and shoulders break at the end of the day.

802
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:46,960
But yeah, it did be good. You know, I'll keep fitting.

803
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: Did you think that any team before that it was

804
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,000
just another expense of experiment.

805
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I was cleaning the prop, yeah, this works

806
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:57,800
and put a lot of effort in.

807
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,119
Speaker 1: So you're giving Mark all the credit.

808
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: Then now now you got very compliment me and how

809
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,159
shy he had made my prop. I even took a

810
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:11,039
pout of it. I got a selfie with me and

811
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:18,400
my prop. Get that prop all day you as.

812
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,159
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny at times. You know many a

813
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,920
person would be wanting to get that photo beside their

814
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,880
favorite footballer or film star and you're happy to haven't

815
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,119
your prop?

816
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:40,119
Speaker 3: Yeah too right, Yeah, every fisherman they love their bouts,

817
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:40,880
you know what I mean.

818
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: You know it's the second wife, isn't it. You know, Well,

819
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,199
any fatal opportunity with the with the doubt is good.

820
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: You and that one tells me how much a fisherman

821
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,079
like his board. He'll be talking about it and he

822
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:03,079
refers to as she of a fisherman talks about it,

823
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:08,920
or they don't have any passion for well.

824
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: Boath have personalities, I'm sure of it.

825
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: You know, every different boat than me and Aleca and

826
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,800
Dad had had had a different way about it, had

827
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,199
a different feel, different personality about it. And you know,

828
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,320
when you build a boat, you know, it's like by

829
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,280
having a child. Really, it's like, you know, it's a

830
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960
big deal. You know, it's a great It was a

831
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,639
great thing to do, and you do feel. I feel

832
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,840
closer to this boat than any other boat I've had

833
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,400
because we built her and the ideas that we had

834
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,119
went into her, and it was a privilege to do it.

835
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:46,559
Speaker 2: And it is a privileged to work.

836
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: And the boat looks after you and you look after

837
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,960
the boat, and that's what it is to be a fisherman.

838
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: Definitely, and there's never one way looking at it't know

839
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,480
it would be a much better world. Do we live

840
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,519
and have more people do that?

841
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: Jould?

842
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, a lot of fishermen there, you know, a

843
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,639
bit like farming. You know, it's just a way of life,

844
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,159
you know, it's it's it's not just a job.

845
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: Is it definitely definitely far bigger than that. Yeah, do

846
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,159
you have a social media presence and work and listeners

847
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,400
follow you on lane?

848
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking among those things, like you are, Jim,

849
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,960
And I'll do a bit of tiktoking now just got

850
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:31,440
down with the kids doing that, but are not particularly

851
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,760
good at it. I'm not as good as John Ove.

852
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:39,079
He's mister TikTok these days, and it is Tralla entails

853
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:44,440
fantastic and we're all learning Doric as well because of him.

854
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,920
And and yeah, so he's mister TikTok. So I'm on Instagram.

855
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:55,880
I like Instagram and Facebook, on LinkedIn, Twitter, We've got

856
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,800
like a whole suite, isn't it these days? To follow

857
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,519
It's nice to keep it touch to everybody. I like

858
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:07,079
posting pictures, interacting with other fishermen. And yeah, it's a

859
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,079
good thing if it's used right. It's a good thing,

860
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,440
isn't it. We've got podcasts these days. We all really

861
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:15,559
enjoy listening to your podcast, and thank you. Really accessible,

862
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,960
it's really just successful. You can pop it on when

863
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,840
you're just making tea or something, can't you and you've

864
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,960
got ten minutes and listeningly.

865
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've could have a number of people told me

866
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,159
the different ways will be maybe steaming out to see

867
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:33,519
somebody will be driving so they'll put it on as

868
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:38,880
they're driving or that. So No, it's great. I enjoy it.

869
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,360
I have to see, David, I do enjoy it meeting

870
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,599
and talking to some really interesting people like over this.

871
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,320
It's fascinating to hear that even still there's people coming

872
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,599
up new ideas and adapting them to the industry. It's

873
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,320
it's that's what keeps us going.

874
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's good to have showcased, you know, it

875
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:01,880
really is.

876
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll thank you and was fooled up. That

877
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:12,599
was great. Looking forward to getting it out. Thank you

878
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:14,840
very much, Thanks you, good see you