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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingana Show.

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I am here with fellow old Glory club member, not me,

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not you. How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty great. Pete, how are you doing doing?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: Let's just jump right into it. What we're here to

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talk about. Yeah, we had this thing that the storm

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that just did so much damage in Appalachia, and immediately

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in the chat, we you know, started talking about if

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anybody wanted to go down there and help, and you

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were the one who jumped right to the right to

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the front and said, yeah, I'll do it, even though

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you're probably one of the one of the ones that

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lives a pretty good distance away and everything, and so

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you know, we said that once you got home and

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you got settled, i'd have you on and we'd talk

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about everything that you experienced there. So, you know, why

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didn't you just start from where you where you think

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the story starts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think with the start of the

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story that the most important part is exactly where you

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you picked it up. We had somebody in the OGC

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or at least OGC adjacent say I have family in

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the area. I need to check on them, and I

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need help, and that's really why I jumped up and

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was like, well, yeah, it's it. This is the point

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of the OGC that when people people turn come to

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us for help, come to their brothers for help, that

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we're able to drop what we're doing and go. And

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you know, not everyone's able to do that, but there's

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enough people that are able to do that in the

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OGC that we actually did come down there. And as

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I'm discussing this a little bit more, I'll be very

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vague with names and with locations because our guys are

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still down there and there's as of the time of recording,

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there's still doing their part to try and make sure

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that this operation goes smoothly because the recovery effort down

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there is going to take a very very long time.

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So I guess basically one of the OGC adjacent guys

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is trying to start up. The North Carolina chapter put

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out the call and a bunch of people responded. I

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went down there, stayed with a fellow OGC member from

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the Virginia Chapter on the way down so I wouldn't

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have to make the fourteen hour drive in one shot.

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We had people join us from New Jersey. We had

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people join us from other places in Virginia. The other

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people in the Virginia chapter, I met a lot of

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the guys that were from the nascent North Carolina chapter,

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and they're young, but they're very They've got good, good

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heads on their shoulders. Then we had some people come

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up from Georgia as well, and as well as one

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fellow made the trip all the way from Missouri, which

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was about as far a distances as I traveled to

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get there. So I really feel his pain. I guess,

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do you want to start like just have me telling

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in like a narrative format or do you want to

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you want to talk about like key issues here.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the narrative is really really the way

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to go, and then we can just pick out the

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issues as we go.

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Speaker 2: Sure, So we started in a in a township that

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was rather far north our The person who put out

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the call from the North Carolina chapter he was also

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our host. So his family has a lot of property

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up there and their roots go deep. We were well,

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I'll tell the story when we get there about his family.

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But so he puts us up for the first night

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and we deploy in the first day. We meet at

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the county courthouse at six am, wait around for about

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an hour before we get sent somewhere else, which is

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typical in any kind of operation. But we got to

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the place where the Emergency Operations Command was operating. It

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was out of an old car dealership, so there were

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the offices on one side, and then connected to it

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were three bay garages that were loaded to the rafters

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with donations. So water, food, diapers, pads, fuel of all sorts,

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bar oil for chainsaws, you name it, we probably had it.

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And that actually goes for everywhere else too. If you're

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listening and you're interested in donating some supplies, keep listening.

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I'll mention towards the end what people need still, because

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there has been an amazing outpouring of support for North Carolina.

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he was a local. He was a principal of a

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local school system. He was retired. He told us this

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story where he was reluctant to come back because he

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you know, to do all of this, because he said

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he was he would never do spreadsheets again. But when

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the when the hurricane hit and the fire chief called

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him up, all he needed to do was quote scripture

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at him, and he said, well, now I don't have

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a choice. And that's something that you'll find out there.

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Everyone there is a strong believer, or at least everybody

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I spoke to, and I spoke to a lot of people,

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and they they see the hand of Providence at work,

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and so did I. And it's it's that kind of

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strong Christian belief that I think allows these people to

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be able to approach this devastation not only with energy

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and seriousness, but with good cheer. They're like, you know,

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we're dealing with heavy stuff when we're out there dragging

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bodies out of the silt or you know, cutting people

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out of their homes, discussing the people who were swept

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away by the waters, some of them never to be

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found again. But they still do it, and they do

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it well, and they do it with with with good cheer.

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So anyway, I'm going a little I guess I'm going

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getting a little long in the long winded about this

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particular area. But we spent the first couple of days

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doing route clearing and reconnaissance. Route clearing is pretty self explanatory,

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but the reconnaissance is really something that you only get

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into in places like Appalachia where these there are these

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tight mountains with all of these deep hollers, and with

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cell phone service pretty much being non existent in them

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and all landlines down because of just the utter devastation,

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many of these communities were completely cut off with communication

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from the outside world. So this township that we were

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operating out of was kind of a central hub for

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the whole county, and we spent several days just driving

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the holler, the holler roads, the mountain roads up and around,

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and we found some fun We found some funny things,

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like there was a lows box truck that someone started

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driving up a mountain town, which was kind of silly.

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But anyway, most of the people that we found, so

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keep in mind this was a week after the storm

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it occurred, we found that they had been taking care

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of each other. Everybody that was elderly in the community

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was known and they were able to direct resources to them,

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and every church was serving as its own miniature hub

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of distribution. Keep in mind, these things were able to

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spring up organically again without any communication from the outside world,

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so people would drive in with supplies, with aid supplies,

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and then they just find a place to dump them

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and slowly the community would start doling them out to

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the people who needed it, and there was no shortage

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of volunteers. So we spent the first couple of days there,

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but it looked like the township was doing pretty well.

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least looked at the wellness checks were going pretty well.

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The community was taking care of itself. So we started

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the Asheville area. The listeners may be aware that the

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Ashville area got hit particularly hard. Now here too, we

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saw the same thing. The community is getting together and

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operating with the relief efforts, all of them private to

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get their neighbors taken care of. But this is when

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the first, this is the first major thing really stood

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out to me. Ashville as a city is kind of

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known as Shitlibs Central in North Carolina. The whole area

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surrounding Ashville is deep red and Ashville is deep blue.

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The mayor is a Jewish woman, The town council is

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made up entirely of women of various races, and one

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of the things that I noticed is that all the

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areas around didn't have a problem coming together to help

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each other, but ash Fville itself turned into a war

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zone within days. The people of Asheville were turning on

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each other. They were they were they were literally shooting

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each other in the streets before any kind of government

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could come in and reimpose order. And I mentioned this

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on a on another stream and our friend al Femplar,

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also known as cringe Walker, brought up a very good

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point that this is kind of a microcosm of what

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we can expect all over the country as services break

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down and as there are there are more uh you know,

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there's infrastructure collapse and natural disasters just happen and they're

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going to happen in the future. So I guess this

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is the big point here is get out of the cities.

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Like I know, people, you know, we we've you've talked

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about this before, Pete that the cities are kind of

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you know there, it's where money is made through finance

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and you know, the centers of culture and we've all

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heard it before, but really, as things break down, they're

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the last place that you you really want to be.

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I feel like I've been going for a little bit.

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You do you want to say anything?

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Speaker 1: No, keep going, let's let's hear more about Ashville, because

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that's the that's what they're hiding. I mean, just to

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say that people have were shooting at each other. No

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one's heard about this. This is this isn't stuff that

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they're going to advertise when they have such a city

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of special snowflakes, where you know, women of all color

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can rule over.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, right, and it's it's very similar to h you know,

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to to what we see with the FEMA organization. The

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people at the top are incompetent or they have these

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fanciful ideas about how DEI is going to to save everybody.

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kind of a larger point that all of these communities

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that came together had two major things going for them.

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and outside of Asheville. Asheville was the center of where

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the government was operating out of so FEMA and the

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National Guard. They were able to roll in there and

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reimpose order, but that wasn't necessary in the outlying communities

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that had been hit much worse than Ashville itself. In fact,

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FEMA didn't show up until I landed on until the

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week and a half after the storm happened. And by

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the time FEMA arrived there, everything was already well underway.

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the area, and like I said, they're still there. But

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one of the issues that we ran into. Okay, so

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let me let me let me break this break this

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down a little bit. There's the Emergency Operations Command Center

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out of that is usually out of a fire department,

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and that is a representative representative of the local government

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and the state government operating in tandem. So you'll get

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all of the officialdom operating in that area out of

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out of the the EOC. Then there are large organizations

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like Samaritans Purse, like these mega huge charity or operations

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that effectively operate as like state actors. So what I

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mean by that is they have a lot of bureaucracy,

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have to cut through before they can start doling things out,

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and they need to speak to somebody who at least

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nominally represents a government organization in order for them to

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actually deliver supplies. And we'll get back to this later

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because it causes some issues. And then there are the

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smaller operations on the ground. So there are disaster relief

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charities that are privately funded, so funded by one of them,

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I know, is funded by large YouTube personalities. One of

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them is funded by an independently wealthy hedge fund manager,

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and you know, so these are the smaller the smaller guys.

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organization that float into the area and want to want

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to help. And these are going to be people of

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all sorts of skill sets, you know, former firefighters, amen,

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just anyone who wants to get get involved. And what

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there was no formal communication between these disparate groups. So

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what would end up happening is a lot of the

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smaller organizations were operating without any sort of official sanction,

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reconnoitering these areas that were cut off from communication, and

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you know, God bless them. Elon Musk donating all of

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those starlinks is one of the reasons why we're able

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to get communication with these areas in the first place.

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the mountains to these towns where all the roads and

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someone who had a generator, usually a church, sometimes a

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fire department to get communications out. And what the task

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that that me and my partner took on when we

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get there, when we got there, was in putting these

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people in communication with each other. Often they were overlapping

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in their areas of operation, and often they they would

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have intelligence on an area that another organization needed intelligence on.

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And so we started putting together the groundwork to be

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able to be a kind of communications hub between these

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outlying towns and these smaller organizations. Now what I'm describing

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is the function of a government. This is what FEMA

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should have been doing. If if FEMA was run by

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people who weren't our enemies, if FEMA was run by

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people who are who are intelligent and competent, and they

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would have people on the ground gathering all this information

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relaying it between all of these organizations. But they just

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weren't doing that. When I saw FEMA. They rolled in

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with the eighty second Airborne and they were on these

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things that kind of looked like side by sides but

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would carry like seven men, and they were rolling around

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with MREs and water precisely at the point when we

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had too many too much food, and too much water

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to go around like they're well stocked on all of that.

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We didn't need that at that point. What we needed

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was what's known in the military as C two command

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and control, and we weren't getting that. And I actually

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spoke to one of the FEMA representatives on the ground

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and told him that our local EOC needed intel on

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the southern regions and that we were pretty much operating

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blind out there, to which, you know, the God bless him.

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He shrugged at me and said, well, I guess you

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guys are going to be operating down there then. So

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it's just another example of how our government organizations are

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not functioning the way that they should be. I know,

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that was a lot a lot of an info dump

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right there. Do you want me to just keep going?

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Speaker 1: What was what exactly was he saying to you? He's saying,

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you're you're just not going to get any cooperation from us.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's entirely possible that he had that response

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because it's way above his pay grade, but he didn't

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really seem that interested. One of the guys that every

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one of these FEMA teams rolling around with the eighty

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second had someone there with a big ass camera. I

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feel like their whole purpose was what our government has

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basically become is just perception management. They just seem to

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be there to take photo ops of them delaying supplies

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to people who are know to supply centers that are

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no longer in need. So, you know, there wasn't a

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very warm feeling on the ground for FELA, for FEMA

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among the denizens of the area.

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Speaker 1: I guess one more question before we move on. It's

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being reported and I see some of our guys even

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counter signaling. It's saying, it's ridiculous that FEMA, some of

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the the Federal Emergency Management is clearing out because there

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are credible threats to their safety. When you hear that,

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what do you what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that totally makes sense to me. A lot

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of the people in the mountains have formed militias for

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fear of looters, and there are in some areas large

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encampments of illegals that are just living in the mountains

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who will come down at night and just steal from

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the AID centers. It came to a point where one

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of the AID centers was being actually defended by locals,

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one of which had basically a makeshift technical He had

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a machine gun or an LMG in the back of

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his pickup truck that was mounted there. He would just

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sit there all night and make sure no one came

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and stole. So for the local people to be putting

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together these militias and then also to have such a

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you know, a distaste for FEMA, I completely understand. I

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completely believe that that's what happened, although I have been told,

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because I heard this rumor as well, that it's temporary.

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Apparently it was due to some social media posts or something.

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Speaker 1: But okay, all right, well keep going, keep going from

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where you were where you were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the the the everything's running kind of smoothly.

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I mean it's not running smoothly, but is running. There

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are all of the the small operations on the ground,

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so you know, you might you might say this is

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a point for libertarianism, but it's really not, because they

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the one thing that they needed was a centralizing actor

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who could organize all of these efforts, and they just

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didn't have it, which actually brings up the next point

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I wanted to make about the surrounding unincorporated towns. So

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Appalachia has a lot of townships that are unincorporated. That

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means that they don't have any official government. These people

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just kind of they do their own thing. It's kind

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of like kind of like an Cappistan, right, but and

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that's the way they like it. But there are fire

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stations in most of these townships. And what ended up

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happening as a result of the disaster is the state

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started sending their law enforcement to these fire departments in

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order to kind of, you know, to give them, give

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them a law enforcement apparatus that is at their disposal.

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And this caused I mean, I don't know if this

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if it was necessary, but it did cause some confusion,

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some problems in some areas because these local fire departments

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don't really know how to deal with this stuff. And

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now they're being empowered as being empowered as the de

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facto government. And in some of these places, not all

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of them, the fire chiefs kind of ran away with

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that power. They locked down completely, and they turned away

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all aid using the government forces that were given to them.

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And what would end up happening in some of these

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situations is the fire chiefs would say things like we

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don't need help, we don't need aid, go away, And

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then the smaller organizations that were running unsanctioned aid into

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their towns would come across a parish or a church

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and the people there would say, we desperately need aid.

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I don't know why the fire department is saying this,

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but it's not true. Please help us, excuse me. So

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you get in this kind of situation where there are

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all of these small fire departments that have become to

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facto governments that are incapable of being these governments, and

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that caused a lot of delay and a lot of confusion.

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And I'm sure that some people died as a result

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of this.

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Speaker 1: Well why do you why do you think they were like,

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you know, just oh, we don't want any help here.

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Is it just pure arrogance? Is it? Is it stupidity?

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Is it just you know, this is the way we

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do things and we don't want any I mean, I

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don't try and understand. I mean I understand power trips,

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and I understand human nature, you know, which is you know,

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libertarians will jump up and go, well, see that's why

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no one should be in charge.

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Speaker 2: Right, no one should be in charge? Then how are

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these how is any of this going to get distributed? Right?

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Speaker 1: Well, it has to be voluntary.

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Speaker 2: Bro uh uh and caps and Luelbert. It's not taking

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an l challenge impossible. But you know the reason why.

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I'm sure it's it's as varied as as the townships themselves.

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But some of it is is just pure ego. Uh.

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Some of it is. You know a lot of these

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people went into the mountains to get away from the government,

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and now they're just afraid that they're going to have there,

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that they're going to have a government power imposed on them.

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I know. Sean Ryan did a podcast with some of

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the the first responders flying helicopter missions out of there,

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and anybody who's interested should go listen to that. Their

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story is basically something very very similar. They rolled into

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a town and some boomer's giant ego caused confusion and delay,

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and it's it's a big problem when you don't have

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some kind of centralized authority that can just like look

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down at these people and say you're taking this, say

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this is where it's going. You know, stop stop imposing yourself.

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Speaker 1: Remove just remove that person. I mean, just be like, Okay,

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you're not in charge here, I'm taking over a fuck.

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Speaker 2: You, right, and that that would be the idea.

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Speaker 1: If you don't like it, I'll shoot you, I think literally.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean this area was operating without rule

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of law right like every not everyone, but there was

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a huge percentage of the people that I worked with

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down there that were just armed, like just open carrying,

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and most people were and it's it depended on where

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they where they were and where what it was that

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their operations were doing. But you know, there's it's dangerous

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stuff when you start getting these people who become petty

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tyrants involved. And this brings me back around to operations

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like Samaritans Purse who are so large that they need

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some sort of officialdom to tell them what to do

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or to tell them to be able to make their

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supply drops. We had this specific incident where a fire

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chief was telling us they didn't need anything, and so

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we got communication with a woman who was basically in

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charge of one of the churches there, and the aid

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effort going going on in that church. She wasn't like

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a pastor or anything, but she told us, no, this

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is what we need. So she gave us her list

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of needs. We contacted Samaritans Purse. Samaritans Purse contacted the

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fire department and said, you know, they're giving us a

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different list of needs. And so it caused a big

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problem when they made a supply drop and it wasn't

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the stuff that the people of the community needed. It

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was specifically the stuff that the people at the fire

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department asked for. Right yeah, And this is something that

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again FEMA could take care of by having their people

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on the ground with proper communications equipment and using their

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incident Command system or incident control system to keep track

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of all of this intelligent all this intelligence. Because there's

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a lot of fog, as the communications guys like to say,

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there's a lot of noise, and separating out the signal

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from the noise in that environment is extremely difficult. So

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you have these large organizations that are receiving are getting

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different signals, and both of them can be true. But

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when you get like someone who decides that that their

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voice is the one that needs to be listened to,

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not relaying the needs of their community, it becomes a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it would. It would seem to me

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the easiest thing to do. It'd be like, okay, you

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have all these if the fire house is taking charge,

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and then the churches are beneath them, your the fire

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house is just getting lists from each church, and that's

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how it gets. That seems really simple.

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Speaker 2: It does. And you know, there's there's gonna be a

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lot of I mean, there's these questions will never be answered.

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I don't think as to why all of these things

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kind of broke down, but it's a very eye opening experience,

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especially for somebody who might have more libertarian leanings, because

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these people effectively live in an capistan. Well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, one of the things I said

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was everyone, you can pretend to be an anarchist until

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shit goes downhill. You know, in this kind of situation,

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you're not caring whether the help you get is private

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or public. It's just you need help at this point.

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And if you have someone running interference on that, it's like, no,

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we're going to take care of ourselves and do everything here. Well,

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you know, then that person may need to be dealt with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's one of these things, like all the

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locals are trying very hard not to step on anyone's toes,

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which makes sense. They live there, they don't want to

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have to deal with irate neighbors. But it's the So

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it fell to the smaller teams that were willing to

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either bypass the police checkpoints or massaged their way through

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them in order to get real intelligence on what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Let's run back to We'll run back to Ashville for

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a second, because I'm sure people would like that exp

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you know, like to hear more about that. I mean,

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you said that there was violence. What was what was reported?

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Speaker 2: So now this is this is what I heard from

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being on the ground. These aren't things that I specifically witnessed,

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but basically muggings, people like looting whatever they could before

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FEMA got there to re establish control, and that that's

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that's pretty much it. I didn't stay in Asheville. I

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drove through it and it looked looked like nothing. It

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didn't look like anything had happened there. It looked like

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it had the storm had missed it almost completely. But yeah,

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that's just that's just what I had heard. Or were

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they they were out of power. They didn't have power though,

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right the city itself did. Keep in mind, I'm there

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a week and a half after the storm itself, so

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they the line crews have been working non stop all

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over the region to get everything back together. And FEMA

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designates red areas, which are you know, where they pour

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whatever resources they decide to allocate into, and Asheville was

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one of those red areas.

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Speaker 1: I remember driving through Atlanta one day and driving through

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one of the areas that had been you know, fixed out,

479
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,839
what do they call it? Gentrified? And I remember just

480
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,960
I'm driving through one day and I'm looking at all

481
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,960
these people walking their dogs, and I mean people who

482
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,480
look like they've never they wouldn't even know how to

483
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,640
make a fist to punch someone. And I'm thinking, if

484
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,640
this shit hits the fin these people are going to

485
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,720
be eating each other within like two weeks.

486
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:01,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And essentially exactly that happened, and it, you know,

487
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,799
it didn't really happen in the surrounding areas. Now, there

488
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:11,200
were some areas of Swannanoa that one of the really

489
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:18,960
hard hit parts massive destruction down there that had Section

490
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:23,839
eight housing, and one of one of our OGC members

491
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,000
was embedded in one of the local church groups that

492
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,680
had a huge amount of resources, and they were he

493
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:36,559
was a part of their scouting teams and he I mean,

494
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,920
I think he's still down there, but he was reporting

495
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,359
that the only places where that that they couldn't really

496
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,119
go back to where the Section eight the places that

497
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,079
had Section eight housing. That's where you don't have a

498
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,240
sense of community that those people are reliant on the

499
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,799
government and so they can't fend for themselves. But also

500
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,640
when people show up with stuff, they kind of see

501
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,960
it as something that that's theirs. So it's it's the

502
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,079
same sort of thing as any city. You're going to

503
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,839
have tons of people that are reliant on the state

504
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,319
that can't rely on themselves or their neighbors because they're

505
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:15,359
just not that type of people.

506
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we keep importing them from islands in the Caribbean,

507
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,799
but right.

508
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:26,039
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean, like I said, there were there's

509
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,240
reports of people in the mountains that come out to steal.

510
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,480
But you know, this is the issue with separating signal

511
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:37,960
from noise. You hear all sorts of things. Like one

512
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,759
of the days we were down there, there was a

513
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,759
report of a van filled with illegals being followed around

514
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,559
by a truck with a trailer that we're just taking

515
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,599
like generators and high ticket items off of the supply

516
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,480
drop points. Like you know, is that true? I have

517
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:01,359
no way of corroborating it is believable one.

518
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So all right, well keep going. What else

519
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:08,840
where else are we going to hit?

520
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,079
Speaker 2: Yeah? So this is pretty much my my experience of

521
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:18,840
of these two areas. There's a lot of lessons to

522
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,880
be drawn out of these, especially when it comes to

523
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,480
things like command and control and communication. It's not that

524
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:33,280
these small organizations and the EOC were not capable of

525
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,159
putting together an effective communication strategy for all the disparate groups.

526
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,039
What it is is that they didn't have the manpower

527
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,800
to have someone to have people dedicated to doing that.

528
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,440
And in any kind of environment, in any kind of

529
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,360
disaster situation, communication is key. You need to know where

530
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,840
things are, you need to know where things need to

531
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,039
get and you can't do that if everyone's just running

532
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:04,639
around doing their own thing. Taking some time to talk

533
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:09,079
about some of the specific groups. There was one group

534
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,719
operating in the area that is doing helicopter stuff, so

535
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:18,920
they have their air traffic controllers were lent to them

536
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,719
under Title ten. So they're actually Air Force air traffic

537
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,320
controllers that are on the ground making sure that the

538
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,440
helicopters run smoothly. But the organization itself is mostly made

539
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:37,400
up of private pilots and former Special Forces guys, all

540
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:41,400
very high speed load drag. But they're really running themselves ragged.

541
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:48,000
They've been operating fully since the storm hit. And when

542
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,280
I was meeting with them, they were telling me that

543
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:56,039
they were pulling. They had cadaver teams and they were

544
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,199
pulling bodies out of areas that had already been cleared

545
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:04,320
by FEMA. That is, FEMA claims to have done a

546
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,280
thorough search of the area and have not found anything,

547
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,679
and these teams are going into those areas and they're

548
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:17,199
finding lots of bodies. Two days ago, they were searching

549
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,199
for bodies in an area that had already been cleared

550
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:25,800
by FEMA, and they found a woman who was buried

551
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,880
in the silt and she was still alive. She was

552
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,719
stuck in the mud for eight days and they rescued her.

553
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,760
And if they had just taken FEMA's word for it,

554
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:42,880
that woman would have died. She would have died of exposure.

555
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,480
So this is a it's a it's another opportunity to

556
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,679
bash FEMA and say, look, not only are you guys

557
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:55,400
not really helping, you're hindering the process by declaring these

558
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,480
areas cleared without having done your due diligence.

559
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,199
Speaker 1: Sounds to me like you're making the argument for the

560
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,800
for the anarchic capitalists.

561
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: I know, right, what I'm actually making an argument for

562
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,239
is that we need sound government. If this if this

563
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,199
government had been had been run by white Christian males,

564
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,320
if FEMA, if you looked at the FEMA board and

565
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,480
all you saw were white Christian males on there, there

566
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,960
wouldn't have been a problem. But that's not what you see.

567
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:27,679
What you see people who care about diversity, equity, and inclusion.

568
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,440
The readiness is number three on FEMA's official list of

569
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,519
things that they care about. So it's our government. It's

570
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:40,920
not that government itself is bad. It's that the government

571
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,320
as we have it is no longer fit for purpose,

572
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,760
or if you want to say, you know the pasowid

573
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,119
the purpose of the system is what it does. It

574
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,519
is fit for purpose. It's just being run by a

575
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:55,079
cabal of our enemies.

576
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: The jump Brighton's the conquest there, Yeah, and you know,

577
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,800
I would say my point is, sure you can have

578
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,400
your Endcapistan if they're a bunch of Scotch Irish hillbillies,

579
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,719
if you're around people who know, if you're around white

580
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,280
people who know how to do stuff, or you could

581
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,719
just keep advocating for the importation of people who if

582
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,920
something like this happens, they're going to be the ones

583
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,639
who are going to be stealing from you. Oh no,

584
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:27,480
but we could shoot them, will you really all of them? Huh?

585
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,039
Oh yeah, you go shoot a small army. Oh we're

586
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:33,440
going to put an army together. Okay, that sounds like kapistans.

587
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,599
I mean, that's the kind of place that everyone's going

588
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:37,960
to want to live. Go ahead, sell that, Sell that

589
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,760
to everyone, because now you're selling them upon exactly what

590
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,000
we say it would turn into.

591
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: But go ahead, right, and that's exactly what it did

592
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,400
turn into. And uh, you know, as far as philosophical

593
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,559
lessons go, I don't I think that the lullbirds and

594
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,760
the and craps are pretty much are pretty much dead

595
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,880
in the water here because we saw their utopia play

596
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,719
out and people died while a government apparatus was trying

597
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:12,840
to spin up. And it's just you know, it's why

598
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:17,440
the libertarians are the other side of the utopian coin

599
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,119
that has communism on its other face. They deny human

600
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,360
nature and human need and everything that they believe is

601
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,559
kind of an abstraction. So, with this being so fresh

602
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,719
in the memory, I don't want anybody listening to ever

603
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,800
allow a libertarian to talk to them about their theory

604
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,800
of how things would or could go under en Capistan.

605
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,679
We've seen it and we know that that's not how

606
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:44,079
they go.

607
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:51,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's face it, people don't want people

608
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,800
don't want to be free. Most people are sitting around

609
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:58,199
waiting to be told what to do. And if it's

610
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,400
against your principles to tell people what to do and

611
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,199
in many cases what to believe, you're not going to

612
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:04,679
make it.

613
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: Right. And on Sean Ryan's podcast, the first responders were

614
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,119
saying that when they were talking to these these communities

615
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:19,000
in the mountains that didn't have any way of getting

616
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:22,519
external communication, they had no idea how bad things were.

617
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,239
They thought maybe just their holler had been destroyed, and

618
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,960
that you know, the government would be coming in to

619
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:33,039
give them aid and relief any day now. And these people,

620
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,800
some of them, they had been without power and communication

621
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,440
to the outside world for four days. And you know

622
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,119
when these guys touched down and they say, no, it's

623
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:48,559
bad everywhere. The government isn't really coming to save you. Well,

624
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:51,559
now a lot of them they want to start jumping

625
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,880
into action. Get the elderly out of here, get the

626
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:01,559
infirm out of here, get us supplies, and that it

627
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,400
if you think you have a functioning government that's going

628
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,679
to take care of you, when you don't. In way,

629
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,039
in some ways, it's it's worse to have that government

630
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,480
than it is to have no government at all, which

631
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,440
is which is what we're kind of seeing. It's this

632
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,760
weird Uh, there's a kind of a push and pull

633
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,119
here between you know, if you have a bad government,

634
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,480
no government's better, but you still need a government that's

635
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:34,559
going to that a government will arise out of human action,

636
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,199
and that's exactly what we're seeing, and you need that

637
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,800
government to be a good one. So it's better to

638
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,519
have a good government than no government. And it's better

639
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,360
to have no government than a bad government. It's it's

640
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,840
it's way more complex than the end caps would would

641
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,199
would would lead you to believe.

642
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if and if you're FEMA Field director

643
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,880
is somebody who you know, you could take shade under

644
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:02,159
her nose. Well, I mean, what do you expect? What

645
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,880
do you expect? I mean, oh yeah, but you know,

646
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,000
like Beau Maher said, they're successful, Yeah, they're successful at

647
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,440
getting jobs. How come they just can't do the job right?

648
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,599
Speaker 2: And then, like you know, of course, it's not like

649
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:16,559
everyone at this point knows what FEMA was doing with

650
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:20,719
all of their funding. Everyone at this point knows why.

651
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,199
Everyone listening to this knows why FEMA had reacted the

652
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,679
way it did or lacked it to lack of reaction.

653
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:34,840
And it's if this, I think this is going to

654
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,760
serve as a pretty big wake up call to a

655
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,159
lot of people who didn't really understand it before.

656
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean I hope. So you know, it's

657
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,320
sure private people, you know, private people are going in there,

658
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,239
and it's private help that's making this helping these people

659
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,960
to survive. But I mean, even as you said recently

660
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:03,280
that some of these areas aren't going to have power

661
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:08,559
until twenty twenty five, well, you know, into the new year.

662
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:11,840
And I'm assuming when you mentioned twenty twenty eight you

663
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,159
were talking about like roads and things like that, is

664
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:15,360
that what I'm thinking.

665
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: Yes, roads bridges. One of the big issues that's going

666
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,000
on in the Asheville area is that they now some

667
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,360
areas now no longer have a means of processing their sewage.

668
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,239
Their sewage treatment plant was literally taken down the river.

669
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,199
It came up so high, just lifted the whole thing

670
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,079
up and just gone. So they won't have clean running

671
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,920
water at least water that they're not going to have

672
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:49,599
to boil for a very very very long time, and

673
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,119
especially as winter comes in. Anybody who's been in construction

674
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,880
knows that any if something takes, you know, two weeks

675
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,960
to do during the spring, it takes four to six

676
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,039
weeks to do during the winter. And so I mentioned before,

677
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,480
I think this is a good time to bring it up.

678
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,320
What the people down there need now Now, what they

679
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:19,000
need is propane tanks, heaters, gasoline for generators. They need

680
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,119
things that are going to carry them through the winter

681
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,840
so that they don't freeze to death cold weather clothing.

682
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,559
That being said, there have been there's so much clothing

683
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:34,239
that has come into the area that none of that

684
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,800
no one's accepting it anymore. So best to err on

685
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,559
the side of caution. Don't send clothes food and water

686
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:42,639
are taken care of. I'd like to give a big

687
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:47,480
shout out to Highland Brewing, which is a brewery out

688
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,639
of Ashville, who donated many, many two hundred and seventy

689
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:58,079
five gallon water tanks that were desperately needed at some

690
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:02,400
of the supply depot. So that's that's that's one of

691
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,039
those private organizations that are that are definitely worth patronizing

692
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:08,000
in the future.

693
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what I would like to say is,

694
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:17,800
you know, as we talk about things like roads and infrastructure,

695
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:21,360
water treatment plants, it's like I said on the live

696
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,440
stream last week, and this is where elite theory comes

697
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,400
in and the whole theory of capitalism. You know that,

698
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:32,960
oh people, Oh, there's a bunch of people right now

699
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,320
who are seeing an opportunity to go in there and

700
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,400
make some money. So they're gonna flood there and they're

701
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,519
gonna starting now. Shut the fuck up. What we need

702
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:45,559
is we need to see those elites pop up who

703
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,639
who want to be considered elites and go there and

704
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,400
personally build that water treatment plant, start building those roads,

705
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,679
start building those bridges, start doing all of this. Do

706
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,119
the job. Have these elites do the job that the

707
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,920
government is in doing, and then we have people to

708
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,400
look to, you know, for you know, for a guidance

709
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,960
at least we know that they care about us. And

710
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,639
also you had, I think you had mentioned in one

711
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:18,880
of your one of the voice messages that you sent

712
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,840
into our chat that there are some people who are

713
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,920
stepping up and some people with with means who were

714
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,079
doing some good things there. Can you talk about that?

715
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: Uh, yes, there there is so I mentioned the organize

716
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,119
an organization was being funded by a hedge fund manager

717
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,800
and he uh, he he paid, He was paying cash

718
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:49,159
for everything. He got trucks, he got heavy equipment. Uh.

719
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,119
And he was giving out meals to the to the

720
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,480
locals and to it to the volunteers that that he

721
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:58,840
had around him, uh, the the professional crews that he

722
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,760
brought in there on his own spence. And it got

723
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,719
to the point where he was, you know, he didn't

724
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,039
have a place for his men to station out of permanently.

725
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:14,199
Because the lodging is at a premium, as you might imagine,

726
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,320
there's basically nowhere for you to bed down if you

727
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,320
don't already have something out there. Because of the influx

728
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,679
of volunteers and because of the people who don't have

729
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,920
homes anymore. So he ended up just walking into a

730
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,639
business there, a restaurant that was made out of an

731
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:38,719
old garage, and he just bought the building. And now

732
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,239
he has ownership stake in the community in which he

733
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,840
is is is helping, and like that sort of thing

734
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,159
is very important to go forward. Like it's a good

735
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,760
example because he, you know, he bought up somebody's business,

736
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,280
so now he you know, he obviously infuses them with cash,

737
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,280
but he's using this business now is a staging area

738
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:03,800
to do what is going to be months of work,

739
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,519
because when we talk about like rebuilding a water treatment plant,

740
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:14,559
like that alone is going to take years to go

741
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:20,320
through the bureaucracy because you might imagine processing waste is

742
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:28,159
a very law legal, heavy endeavor. And in the meantime,

743
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,039
all of the heavy equipment, the cranes, the back hose,

744
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,039
the tractors, the skid steers, they're all being used to

745
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,480
clear trees off the roads, to clear rubble, to build

746
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:50,599
temporary bridges into people's homes, to lift trees off of

747
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:54,440
people's homes. It's going to be months of just clearing

748
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:58,960
the damage and then that equipment can be put to

749
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:02,960
use reconstruct acting. So the more capital and fusion that

750
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:06,239
can go down there from these money to elites, they

751
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,519
can they can really make a show of it and

752
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,320
get the goodwill of the people. It would it would

753
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,800
be as nothing for a billionaire to show up with

754
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,480
UH with a fleet of heavy equipment and and and

755
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,679
the operators are all there. The people, the people are

756
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:26,199
there to make this stuff happen. If you just bring

757
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,400
the equipment and maybe someone to organize it, you can

758
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,880
really do a lot of good and have the goodwill

759
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,480
of the people.

760
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones who were the ones who are standing

761
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,960
back and saying now, oh see see see what see

762
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,039
how the government failed you and everything, But they're not

763
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:47,960
providing any answers themselves.

764
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,639
Speaker 2: Right, And the answer, of course is we need a

765
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:54,119
new government. We need a we need a circulation. We

766
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:59,119
need effective people in the government, like like the people

767
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:02,159
at the low level of FEMA and the and the

768
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,719
you know, the privates and the sergeants that I saw

769
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,360
running around with the eighty second protecting these people. These

770
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,519
people aren't the ones that are that are screwing you.

771
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:13,800
The people that are screwing you are the ones at

772
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,519
the top holding the purse strings. And making sure that

773
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:24,440
DEI takes precedence over over competence. And they're they're there,

774
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,400
We know they're there. They're openly stating that these are

775
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,159
the things that they care about. So it if if

776
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:36,119
if you see this as a failure of government and

777
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:40,280
not a failure of this particular government, then you're you're

778
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,559
you're missing uh, you're missing the trees for the forest.

779
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,440
You're you're missing the real issue here, You're missing the granularity.

780
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,400
Uh Like like I mean I just said earlier, like

781
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,400
there's there's no time for this libertarian nonsense here. What

782
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,719
we saw is not is it was not a failure

783
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,960
of government as such. It is a failure of our

784
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:03,239
particular government.

785
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if there was, if we had a government

786
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:13,960
full of people who were in some way, shape or

787
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,559
form related or shared values with the people who are there,

788
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,719
they'd be taking care of this. I mean, the things

789
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,639
would already. That water treatment plant would already start being

790
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,639
the waye treatment plant would already start being built already.

791
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:32,159
And one of the issues is to go back to

792
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:38,119
that guy, the fire chief who goes to the firehouse

793
00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:40,760
and like starts laying down the law and it gets

794
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,440
and it's getting people hurt. You need someone to decide

795
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,920
the exception. You need someone to walk in there and

796
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,559
go okay and get out of the way, or I'm

797
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,679
going to get you out of the way. And that's

798
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,280
what brings order and in chaos where it's like you

799
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,280
just have some random guy who you know, I know

800
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,079
that titles aren't you know, titles are fake. They're just

801
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,559
you know, things that people made up, like like words,

802
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:16,199
then that person needs to be able to at least

803
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,320
have the at least the people would look at that

804
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,239
person as some kind of legitimate authority to remove that

805
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,760
person and then get shit done and remove them however

806
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,000
they need. However, that person needs to be removed to

807
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:38,400
get things done, and that doesn't happen when you're Legitimacy

808
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,000
does not. Legitimacy comes in a couple different ways. One

809
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:49,360
is with a title and with with something that most

810
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,679
of the people, the overwhelming majority of the people look

811
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,880
upon as being legitimate. Any other way, as somebody who

812
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,280
just steps up and is what you call quote unquote

813
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,320
pillar or the commune unity, that kind of thing. Any

814
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,880
other way, when you just have some Yahoo come in

815
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,639
and going, I don't like the way this guy's running

816
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:11,960
things boom and shoots them. Now, legitimacy is important, and

817
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,599
I don't think a lot of people understand that. I

818
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,159
definitely don't hear a lot of people who, you know,

819
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:23,440
preach radical individualism who understand what legitimate authority looks like

820
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,599
other than you know, other than you know, hey, that guy,

821
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,079
that guy's an entrepreneur, whatever the fuck that means in

822
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:31,599
this world.

823
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 2: Right, And the issue of here is that there is

824
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:42,199
a lack of a legitimate structure with these unincorporated towns,

825
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:44,639
since there is no government. When a de facto government

826
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,239
is formed, what they what, it's formed by the in

827
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,679
this case specifically this to fact, these de facto governments

828
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:56,760
are formed when the state comes in with resources. Those

829
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,599
resources are specifically police, and police represent the monopoly on violence.

830
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:07,400
So the state comes in with their enforcers, and they

831
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,639
turn to what looks to them to be the most

832
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,119
legitimate source of authority in this unincorporated town. In this case,

833
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,400
it's the fire chiefs, because they are the closest thing

834
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,440
to resembling an organized governmental structure within these unincorporated areas.

835
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,719
And so if you have a bad fire chief, well,

836
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,679
now you have a bad fire chief with the unquestioned

837
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,320
power of the state behind him. Now it's possible that

838
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,159
when all is said and done, people will be held

839
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:41,840
to account. I don't really think that's going to happen.

840
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,199
But the larger point here is that if there were

841
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,400
a structure, a structure in place, a government in place

842
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,239
that had multiple legitimate offices, then the one that is

843
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,840
doing the best for the community can either take control

844
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:02,800
or be elevated into control beyond the person who is

845
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,719
doing a bad job but might be in power at

846
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,440
the time. But as it stands, there's no way to

847
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:15,840
dislodge these, uh, these these new you might call petty

848
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,519
tyrants from their position because they have now the monopoly

849
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:27,280
on violence represented by the state, and it's only due

850
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,159
to the lack of structure that already did not exist

851
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:31,960
in the area.

852
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these petty tyrants are all waitings that pop up,

853
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:43,840
And yeah, they don't really care about care about you

854
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:44,840
or your people.

855
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, egos a hell of a thing.

856
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,639
And uh, you know, I don't want to I don't

857
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,119
want this to sound like any kind of black pill,

858
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,119
like there was more good going on down there than bad.

859
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,000
The lesson like the lessons drawn from it are that

860
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,000
small homogeneous communities can rely on each other and take

861
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:09,760
care of themselves and each other better than diverse areas,

862
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,159
which we already knew. But then the secondary lessons to

863
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:17,679
come out of it are that legitimate governmental structures are

864
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,400
necessary for human operation, especially in times of disaster, and

865
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:29,559
that they will naturally establish these things when they are needed.

866
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,280
And when you wait to the last minute to establish

867
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,280
something like that, it's going to be shoddy and it's

868
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,079
going to be prone to all sorts of failures that

869
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:42,639
were unforeseen because the structure didn't already exist to know

870
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,679
that they would be there.

871
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Well, someone's probably

872
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,079
going to want me to ask this, and I want

873
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:55,360
to ask it. You talked about rescue missions and pulling

874
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,880
bodies out of the mud and any was anybody talking

875
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,400
about a death's all down there?

876
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,679
Speaker 2: Uh No, I didn't hear any numbers bandied about. It's. Uh,

877
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,920
it's beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's in

878
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:16,199
the thousands. I don't know what the official numbers are

879
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:22,320
at this time, but they're definitely low. You know, the

880
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,599
if you've never smelled death before, you can get it

881
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:31,800
down there. It's it's a very particular odor. But you know,

882
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,320
there are people that will never be found. There are

883
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,320
are families that I heard a story of one family

884
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,440
that lost eleven members in a single night. They're just gone.

885
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:47,559
And it's it's like that all over the area. We

886
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:50,840
we when we were recounting we made we hopped the

887
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,039
border a couple of times into Tennessee just as bad,

888
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,239
if not worse. And this is up, up and down

889
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,679
all of Apple and into some parts of Georgia. So

890
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,760
whatever the official numbers are, the real death toll is

891
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:08,760
going to be much higher.

892
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. I was hearing things

893
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:18,559
in the first couple of days of people reports on

894
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,880
YouTube from the ground, and people were like, yeah, this

895
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:26,559
is when all said and done, If they ever do

896
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,039
get like the numbers, it's going to be over ten thousand.

897
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:33,840
That's what the person it thought immediately from the amount

898
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,639
of people that she had been lost around her.

899
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,679
Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. You know,

900
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,360
the stories that I got from the people running the

901
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,440
EFC's out there about some of the things that happened

902
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,800
in the local hollers. This one guy they get the

903
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,719
flash flood warning, and you have to keep in mind

904
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:59,960
flash flooding happens like that. It's not something you can

905
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,000
to see coming and you can get out of the

906
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,639
way of you have to be really on it. And

907
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,960
you know, there was this this one story, this guy,

908
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:13,000
the flooding was starting and so he grabbed you know

909
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:17,360
those wooden steaks that you sometimes see like ribbons for

910
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:22,960
surveying tape. He had one of those, and he was

911
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,920
going into his house to get his elderly mother, and

912
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,639
he drove it into the ground to see how fast

913
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:32,960
the water was rising. And he went inside, woke his

914
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:37,559
mother up, came back out. It had been maybe sixty seconds.

915
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,800
The steak was already covered. He was up to his chest.

916
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:46,920
He had to get everyone out there immediately. It's and there.

917
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,920
You know, there's no shortage of stories like that. People

918
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:56,639
who a young couple with a new child. The mother

919
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,800
gets the baby out to her husband, turns around to

920
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,679
go something else out of the house, and the house

921
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,639
is just gone. And then she was found days later

922
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:11,519
in the wreckage. You know, like it's the when you're

923
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:16,039
in the mountains like that, the water doesn't take the

924
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,800
water follows where the creeks and streams are. But these

925
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,760
creeks might only be a couple inches deep, and then

926
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,679
suddenly they're twenty feet deep and your house that was,

927
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,679
you know, twenty yards from the creek is now in

928
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:36,719
the center of a raging river. It's the scale of

929
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,159
the destruction is something that needs to be seen to

930
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:42,719
be believed, because when you're getting pictures of it, you're

931
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,159
lacking context. You see a picture of something something a

932
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:51,000
destroyed house or road that's gone, and it's just the picture.

933
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,960
When you're there in person, it's that picture, and then

934
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,039
literally in every direction is exactly the same. And it's

935
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:03,440
like that for miles Miles.

936
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, when I was seeing pictures of people who

937
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:13,639
were basically riding horses dirt bikes, and I saw one

938
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:18,079
picture of pack mules, I'm just thinking, like, this is

939
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:20,920
an apocalyptic movie. This is like any kind of a pie.

940
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,239
It's like walking Dead or something like that. And I

941
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:27,599
think one other thing people really need to realize is

942
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:32,079
that this is uh. You can say what you want

943
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:36,840
about how people in Katrina were were treated and everything,

944
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:42,159
but they were Yeah, that was a city, and yeah

945
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,079
there was a lot of people who died and everything.

946
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:49,239
But when it came down to it, They made their

947
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,599
way out there, and they sought to clean it up

948
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:55,679
as soon as possible. I mean, I don't know how

949
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,639
how much this is going to be the whole thing.

950
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:01,960
George Bush, Hey, it's you know, Kanye Saint George Bush

951
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,519
hates black people. I mean, you could just easily turn

952
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:09,519
that around now when you see the the kind of

953
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:12,639
response and just how fast they're going to try and

954
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:15,679
help these people and you know, put infrastructure back together.

955
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:21,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I'm fairly certain that Louisiana had

956
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:25,239
multiples of aid dumped on it compared to what from FEMA,

957
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,199
compared to what FEMA is doing for Appalachia right now.

958
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:33,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Do you have anything else?

959
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just one more big thing I want. I

960
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:46,039
wanted to mention. I know that there are a lot

961
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:48,360
of young men who are going to be listening to this,

962
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,519
and young men who have been waiting for the call

963
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:57,800
to adventure in order to go out and do something great.

964
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,719
And my only question for those men is are you

965
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:08,960
fucking death right now? In your country? Your countrymen are

966
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:15,000
in deep need. It's a dangerous area. It's an area

967
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:19,360
where you can go to see the greatest that humanity

968
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,840
has to offer, putting their skills and their time and

969
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,920
their expertise to use in pursuit of a unifying goal.

970
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,840
If there were ever an adventure that you could get to,

971
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:40,519
it's this, So you know, this is the sort of thing.

972
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:44,159
What you do is what you believe, and what you

973
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:47,639
spend your time on is what you value most. And

974
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:49,840
for all of you young men who are looking to

975
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,599
get involved in something like this, to have an adventure

976
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,800
to find the dragon's treasure at the end of the story,

977
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:02,199
which is an allegory for wisdom and an allegory for skills,

978
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,840
and for the relationships that you're going to make while

979
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,079
you're standing side by side with your fellow man doing

980
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:15,000
something worthy and noble. This is it. These things don't

981
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:18,639
come around very often, and you're going to need the experience.

982
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:24,199
So put your schooling on hold, secure what you can

983
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,960
and go spend some time doing some real good. Again

984
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:33,800
a dangerous environment. If you need contacts down there, you

985
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,679
OGC's got them. We can slot you in where you

986
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,320
need to be. If all you're good at is picking

987
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,199
things up and putting things down, well we got spot

988
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,719
for you too. So don't think that your skills won't

989
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,880
be needed because they are and one of the biggest

990
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,480
issues down there right now is the turnover of volunteers.

991
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:59,800
So please get in contact if it's something that appeals

992
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:04,079
to you, you but if you don't and you hear this,

993
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:09,719
you are never again allowed to say anything like young men.

994
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,800
Young men can't find adventure in the modern world.

995
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't contact us the Old Glory Club at

996
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,960
gmail dot com. Hit them up. I know, I get

997
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,960
a lot of people who contact me directly. It's the

998
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:29,079
Old Glory Club at gmail dot com. Go to the

999
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:32,159
Old Gloryclub dot com. There's ways you can contact us

1000
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:37,119
from there. We have people who we have one person

1001
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,559
who does email and that's all they do and that's

1002
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:42,280
all you know, that's what they're doing while other people

1003
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,559
are doing other things. So yeah, I think that's a

1004
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,159
great message. I think that's a great message. This is uh,

1005
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:54,559
this is a time when you can get some real experience.

1006
01:05:55,199 --> 01:05:56,760
You know, it's not it might not be something you're

1007
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,679
going to put on a resume. I would, but it

1008
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,039
may not be something that looks good on a resume

1009
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:05,679
to some of the people who might be hiring you.

1010
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,960
Because we know what the world is like now, but

1011
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:14,159
you'll know, You'll know, and that's what's most important. I think.

1012
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,400
I think people need to at this point, especially men

1013
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,360
need to have a sense of purpose, like they're really

1014
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,000
like they can They look at politics and they know

1015
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,760
they can't change that. This is the kind of thing

1016
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,760
you can change. This is where you could make This

1017
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,239
is where you can actually make change and know that

1018
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,840
you did something and that you actually accomplish something.

1019
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not to belabor the point, but I'm home now,

1020
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,840
and every night i've been home, I've been back in

1021
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,400
my area for three days, and every night I'm dreaming

1022
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:53,119
about being in North Carolina helping. And I'm still trying

1023
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:55,039
to do what I can remotely with our guys that

1024
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:57,440
are still that are still down there, still putting in

1025
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,320
phone calls, still making connections. But I want nothing more

1026
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,719
than to be back down there on the ground in.

1027
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: The shit of it.

1028
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: Shout outs to all the boys in the OGC and

1029
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:13,840
Nason OGC chapters who showed up. I didn't get to

1030
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,639
spend a lot of time with most of them, but

1031
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:19,280
the ones that I did get to spend a good

1032
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,280
deal of time with are now my brothers. And that's

1033
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,440
what this whole game is about because it's going to

1034
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,639
be needed going forward.

1035
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I can just imagine. I didn't imagine what

1036
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:36,519
it was like on the ground there, all right, man,

1037
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:40,280
I guess we're gonna plug anything, plug the OGC, and

1038
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:45,400
we already did that. So yeah, thanks, thanks for coming on,

1039
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,199
thanks for doing that, thanks for going there, thanks for

1040
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,000
thanks for doing us proud. I mean it means a lot.

1041
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, thanks for having me on to help

1042
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:56,159
get the message out.

1043
01:07:58,039 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: Until the next time, take care,