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Speaker 6: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
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Speaker 4: Hello everyone, and welcome to this show.
Speaker 1: How are you all doing?
Speaker 4: I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Speaker 4: In this episode, our guest is Sean Kevin Jason from
Speaker 4: Las Veas, Nevada, and Sean has encountered numerous paranormal events
Speaker 4: throughout his life, notably experiencing several retro causal incidents. One
Speaker 4: such event led to a close encounter with a black
Speaker 4: triang or UFO on the way to Area fifty one.
Speaker 4: For over ten years, Sean has openly discussed his encounters
Speaker 4: and started his investigation into the UFO phenomena back in
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety three and dedicating himself to research in this
Speaker 4: field ever since. His personal experiences over the years has
Speaker 4: positioned him as a leading theorist on retrocausality and its
Speaker 4: connection to UFO sitings, synchronicity, bootstrap paradoxes, and how these
Speaker 4: relate to theories of a control system influencing the fabric
Speaker 4: of reality. His accounts have been showcased on various TV
Speaker 4: programs and is also mentioned in Kim Carlsberg's book The
Speaker 4: Art of Close Encounters. Sean is up next, but first,
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Speaker 4: the show. Welcome to the podcast, Sean, Thank you for
Speaker 4: having men you're more and welcome. You're calling from Las Vegas, Nevada.
Speaker 1: We are here in Sun City, Sin City.
Speaker 5: Wonderful.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now, Sean, you have some experiences to share with us.
Speaker 4: Would you like to start at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Please, sir, from the beginning. I know for most people,
Speaker 1: you know, they start off with their UFO experience. But
Speaker 1: for me, the interest was actually from my childhood, probably
Speaker 1: around you know, ten eleven. Age found a box of
Speaker 1: my dad's things and going through his stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of one of those boxes stored in
Speaker 1: the basement. There was a bunch of books and comics
Speaker 1: things of that nature, and they were pretty much mostly
Speaker 1: UFOs and Permuta Triangle. So I was at an early
Speaker 1: reading age and really got into these books and magazines.
Speaker 1: The strong interest in UFOs in my childhood. That kind
Speaker 1: of influenced me later in life. So just reading these books,
Speaker 1: I was really fascinated by the stories of you know,
Speaker 1: typical UFOs. A lot of these books and magazines were
Speaker 1: from the sixties and seventies when my father was younger,
Speaker 1: so you know, stories of that period, and I just
Speaker 1: found it fascinated. Here's a you know, a subject. Now,
Speaker 1: as a child, you think adults and the grown up
Speaker 1: world has everything more or less figured out. So to
Speaker 1: read these books to find out there's you know, some
Speaker 1: mystery out there still left to be solved that you know,
Speaker 1: even the grown ups have no idea what's going on
Speaker 1: fascinated me as a child. So you know, that left
Speaker 1: the mark on me. Grew up, come teenager, rebellious problems
Speaker 1: at home, so I was constantly getting into trouble running
Speaker 1: on the streets. By that time, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: living in Vegas, North Last Vegas, growing up on the
Speaker 1: streets there. You know, with my UFO encounter, if I
Speaker 1: were to just tell you my story, it would be
Speaker 1: taken out of context because without the whole story, it's
Speaker 1: easy to listen to my UFO story and think, well,
Speaker 1: this is pett and case, you know, alien contacts, so
Speaker 1: he reached out to him, you know, he's probably an abductee,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, without knowing everything else that came
Speaker 1: before that night, so it would be easy to be
Speaker 1: misled and for all the wrong conclusions. So growing up
Speaker 1: on the streets Las Vegas, there is a particular day
Speaker 1: my friend and I were hanging out on the street
Speaker 1: corner and just you know, bs and trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what, you know, what kind of trouble we're going
Speaker 1: to get into the next molest add my back to
Speaker 1: the intersection. He was facing it, and right in the
Speaker 1: middle of the conversation he's talking, I cut him off
Speaker 1: because I just had this instinctive feeling that a cop
Speaker 1: car was approaching from behind. I just knew, you know,
Speaker 1: deep down in the gut, there's a cop car approach.
Speaker 1: So I just interrupted him mid Simpsons and said, there's
Speaker 1: a cop car approach behind. And his mouth just you know,
Speaker 1: just dropped wide open. He just had the stone look
Speaker 1: on his face, and he didn't have to answer me.
Speaker 1: I knew right away, but I was right just by
Speaker 1: his expression, and I turned around and I see this
Speaker 1: cop car approach, and turned back and look at him,
Speaker 1: still stunned on his face. That stone looked in and
Speaker 1: then he asked, like, you know, how did you know?
Speaker 1: Because those are good ways away, But it was, you know,
Speaker 1: approaching an intersection. We watched it as it, you know,
Speaker 1: spot that intersection and turn and drove away. And I
Speaker 1: didn't have an answer. I just I had just had
Speaker 1: this instinctive knowing that it was going to happen. I
Speaker 1: couldn't really explain it to them, you know, I just knew,
Speaker 1: that was my answer. I just knew, but had no
Speaker 1: idea why or how it happened. But I figured, if
Speaker 1: you know, if I did it once, there was no
Speaker 1: reason I couldn't do it again. Even if I didn't
Speaker 1: understand pow Er why I knew it was coming, I
Speaker 1: just assume that if I was dead on once, I
Speaker 1: can be dead on again. So of course, being in trouble,
Speaker 1: running the streets, always looking for something to get into,
Speaker 1: there was plenty of more opportunities for that to happen.
Speaker 1: Number one thing we're always looking out for is the police.
Speaker 1: So as time went on, I didn't take long, maybe
Speaker 1: a month after that incident before it happened to get
Speaker 1: out the next time it happened there was a different
Speaker 1: building entirely, So the first time it was just like
Speaker 1: an infused knowledge kind of thing where you just absolutely
Speaker 1: know something to be true. But the second time it happened,
Speaker 1: it was more like you get goosebumps, like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of static electricity in the air, kind of that
Speaker 1: electric bill goosebumps all over, and didn't really have an
Speaker 1: infused kind of knowledge feeling to it, but just that
Speaker 1: I could sense that there's a presence of the cop,
Speaker 1: a police nearby, and what direction that's coming from, and
Speaker 1: sure enough, you know, I was dead on. Every time.
Speaker 1: It was just dead on. And this went on long
Speaker 1: enough that my friends nicknamed me radar because they thought,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like some kind of human radar
Speaker 1: that could detect police. The name was kind of funny.
Speaker 1: This is a palindrome, which would come and play into
Speaker 1: the story later, but that was my first impression of this,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. I kind of thought
Speaker 1: it was like a spidery sense, spider man sense danger.
Speaker 1: I could sense cops, so I felt, you know, it
Speaker 1: was just some kind of weird ability where I was
Speaker 1: like the human radar that, for whatever reason tech police
Speaker 1: presence nearby. So eventually I cleaned up my act, got
Speaker 1: off the streets, stopped being a bad boy, going back
Speaker 1: to school, you know, changing out my friend, getting rid
Speaker 1: of anything in my life that wasn't serving a purpose
Speaker 1: changed my life. And I figured at this point that
Speaker 1: this ability, whatever it was, this human radar ability, would
Speaker 1: that was it. You know, I had no need for
Speaker 1: it anymore because I wasn't getting in trouble. So so
Speaker 1: at first with the radar ability, you know, like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: just kind of an electric kind of goosebump kind of feel,
Speaker 1: give a sense of a direction is coming from. During
Speaker 1: that time, and this would have been the tenth grade,
Speaker 1: I was ditching school one morning, basically rode the bus
Speaker 1: to schools, walked off the bus and walked off the
Speaker 1: campus immediately and left to go a few blocks away
Speaker 1: from school where one of my hangouts was an arcade
Speaker 1: that I would often spend a day there. They weren't
Speaker 1: open at the time. I was still too early in
Speaker 1: the morning, so I decided to hide behind this group
Speaker 1: of businesses, pouch down behind one of the back entrances
Speaker 1: near the trash and I forgoed. I just lay low
Speaker 1: for a little while into the business open and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and smoking a cigarette, just trying to keep
Speaker 1: out of sight, and I heard someone yell at me
Speaker 1: run and the voice was just like a person was
Speaker 1: standing right next to you, that loud, and it seemed
Speaker 1: that close. Just you run with you know, this real
Speaker 1: sense of urgency here the living hell out of me.
Speaker 1: This was the first time I heard the voice. Had
Speaker 1: no idea what the hell it was, where it came from.
Speaker 1: You know, the thought was just some ghosts, some disembodied voice. Crazy,
Speaker 1: what the hell wasn't you know. I'm torn between sitting
Speaker 1: there trying to figure out what this voice was and
Speaker 1: doing what the voice told me run because I had
Speaker 1: no idea why it was telling me to run, but
Speaker 1: it seemed important, and that scared the shit out of me,
Speaker 1: so I decided to listen to the voice. I had
Speaker 1: no idea which direction to go, so I had a
Speaker 1: number of different ways I could run, So I just
Speaker 1: started running and I run out from behind the business.
Speaker 1: I'm around the corner to the street that's in front
Speaker 1: of the business, and just when I hit the sidewalk,
Speaker 1: I see there's five truon officers closing in on my position,
Speaker 1: two from one side, three from the other. So I
Speaker 1: just decided to bolt across the street towards a cinderblock
Speaker 1: wall on the other side and I might just jump over.
Speaker 1: But by the time I hit the middle of the street,
Speaker 1: the cars were on top of me. One of them
Speaker 1: almost ran me over. All the toon officers, the school
Speaker 1: police are jumping out of the vehicles trying to grab me.
Speaker 1: By the time, I'm just doing a flying leap at
Speaker 1: this wall in front of me and pretty much run
Speaker 1: right up this wall and over the other side. There
Speaker 1: are two German shepherds on the other side. It almost
Speaker 1: got me. It got through that got through that yard.
Speaker 1: I just kept running, you know, after one street, more yards,
Speaker 1: another street, more yards, until I found a yard I
Speaker 1: can hide it in. And I spent that day that
Speaker 1: morning hiding behind someone's you know, cooilage in their backyard,
Speaker 1: freaking out about what just had happened that morning with
Speaker 1: this voice and then the screwt officers, you know, almost
Speaker 1: catching me. Essentially. That was my first experience with this voice,
Speaker 1: which would come in to play later with the UFO siding.
Speaker 1: So I had a number of experiences with this voice.
Speaker 1: The second time was even stranger than the first time
Speaker 1: because the second time that arcade I mentioned, I was
Speaker 1: ditching school again hanging out at their arcade and had
Speaker 1: been there a good part of the day, and this
Speaker 1: particular day, the arcade was packed. I mean, everyone must
Speaker 1: have had the same idea and decided they're all going
Speaker 1: to ditch school and hang out at the arcade, and
Speaker 1: it was kind of it was just full of arcade machines,
Speaker 1: pull tables and a snack bar back. Then of course
Speaker 1: you can smoke indoors and the owner as friends, but
Speaker 1: care you know, well to a point, I'll explain. So
Speaker 1: the place is packed. I'm playing a machine that's near
Speaker 1: the back entrance, and again the second time I hear
Speaker 1: the voice, and the voice tells me to keep playing.
Speaker 1: It's not yelling at me like the first time. It's
Speaker 1: just it says keep playing. I should mention too that
Speaker 1: whenever I hear the voice, there's a physical sensation to
Speaker 1: the companies. It's kind of like getting butterflies in your stomach.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're going to make a big speech,
Speaker 1: you're nervous, you get the butterflies in your stomach. And
Speaker 1: a roller coaster ride where you drop and your stomach
Speaker 1: fills weightless for a moment. It's like a cross between
Speaker 1: those two fillings, and there's enough. It's strong enough that
Speaker 1: when you fill it, you kind of hunch over, kind
Speaker 1: of grabbing your absmen, So I would get this physical
Speaker 1: sensation when I hear this voice. So it told me
Speaker 1: to keep playing. That makes no sense, what you know,
Speaker 1: keep playing? What why? I couldn't understand the message at
Speaker 1: that particular moment when it was given to me. And
Speaker 1: about one minute later, I hear a bunch of screaming
Speaker 1: up in the front of the arcade, and everyone starts yelling,
Speaker 1: and everyone starts rushing back to the back end of
Speaker 1: the arcade where I'm at, and I realize you're always
Speaker 1: screaming at cops, please cops, and are about to run
Speaker 1: out the back entrance, when at the same moment, a
Speaker 1: bunch of police start coming in through the back entrance,
Speaker 1: which I'm right next to the door. There's only two
Speaker 1: ways enter out of this business, and all the kids
Speaker 1: are surrounded, and you know, the cops are just storming
Speaker 1: in that place and grabbing all these kids. And right
Speaker 1: then that's when it hit me. Keep playing so normally
Speaker 1: in that situation. If it wasn't for that voice, I
Speaker 1: had been any one of those other kids, freaking the
Speaker 1: hell out, like, you know, what the hell am I
Speaker 1: going to do? Or am I going to go? I
Speaker 1: go hide in the bathroom and get away with the
Speaker 1: jump over the bar, hide behind that, you know, anything
Speaker 1: to get away from that situation. Keep playing is probably
Speaker 1: the last thing I would have ever thought to do.
Speaker 1: But I trusted the voice and I kept playing. I
Speaker 1: stood there like I didn't give a damn at all,
Speaker 1: didn't care, I had no concerns, no worries. I just
Speaker 1: kept playing my game. By all the rest of these
Speaker 1: kids were running around trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: get out of that situation. So the cops come in
Speaker 1: and they're grabbing all these kids, pulling all these kids
Speaker 1: out from loading them up into the cop cars and
Speaker 1: the patty wagon. They cleaned the whole place out, so
Speaker 1: now it's just the cops, the owner, and me left
Speaker 1: in this arcade and I'm still playing dropping porters into
Speaker 1: this arcade machine like it's no big deal. I don't care.
Speaker 1: So they clean the place out. The cops leave except
Speaker 1: for one cop because then comes up to me and
Speaker 1: he's just standing there right next to me, looking at me,
Speaker 1: watching the game, looking at me, just has this like
Speaker 1: look on his face when he's looking at me, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to not to be nervous or scared. I'm
Speaker 1: just I don't care kind of attitude, and I just
Speaker 1: keep my eyes on the game. He's how are you?
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I'm old enough that you don't
Speaker 1: see me running around with my head chopped off like
Speaker 1: some stupid kids. And I guess that answer was good
Speaker 1: enough for him because he just, you know, walked off
Speaker 1: and they left. All the cops left, so it was
Speaker 1: just I was the last person standing in the arcade
Speaker 1: and the owner at that point, you know, he knew,
Speaker 1: he knew I was ditched to school. He couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I got off the game, and I'm like at that point,
Speaker 1: trying to catch my breath because I can finally relax
Speaker 1: and not freak out like I was, you know, wanted
Speaker 1: to but couldn't. And he is, how in the hell
Speaker 1: are you still standing here? So that was the second time.
Speaker 1: The fourth time I heard the voice was the UFO encounter.
Speaker 1: The third time, now was the softball game I was
Speaker 1: going to enter, so like I was saying, I cleaned
Speaker 1: up my act after that. By the eleventh grade, I
Speaker 1: got my act together. Is going to school, being good,
Speaker 1: playing sports, stand out of trouble during my homework, you
Speaker 1: know that sort of thing. Joined the softball league, which
Speaker 1: I enjoyed playing baseball all when I was younger, so
Speaker 1: got into softball. The third time I heard his voice,
Speaker 1: and the voice is important explaining how it started, where
Speaker 1: it come from, because you know, when I get into
Speaker 1: the whole UFO encounter, that's one thing people say as well.
Speaker 1: You know, the voice was probably just Aliens directly needs
Speaker 1: to the craft, you know, as the operators. And I'm
Speaker 1: going to point out why it was. So the third time,
Speaker 1: it happens with the voice playing a softball game one
Speaker 1: night and our teams at the bat and I'm about
Speaker 1: two batters away, sitting in the dugout end of the
Speaker 1: bench and I hear the voice again, and the voice
Speaker 1: tells me you're going to take out the picture. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what when it's to take out the picture?
Speaker 1: Pretty much for me, that means, you know, of course,
Speaker 1: line drive the picture, take them out and looking back
Speaker 1: at it now, and I know some people tell me
Speaker 1: when I tell this part of the story or tell
Speaker 1: this particular incident, it makes me look bad, but it
Speaker 1: is what it is. At the time, I really didn't
Speaker 1: have any concern or care for the picture safety. I
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about that and didn't think about it. I
Speaker 1: was more interested and proven to everyone else there that
Speaker 1: I can tell them what was about to happen. So
Speaker 1: that was my frame of mind. So immediately I tell
Speaker 1: all my friends on my team, watch this, I'm going
Speaker 1: to shotgun the picture. And by shotgun, I mean I
Speaker 1: want that picture to fly off the mound like she
Speaker 1: just got shot plant blank shotgun to her chest. So
Speaker 1: I'm telling my friends, hey, watch this, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shock in the picture. I'm gonna shock un the picture.
Speaker 1: And they're all cheering me on. I'm getting them all,
Speaker 1: you know, wound up. I'm next up to bat, step
Speaker 1: up to the plate, and my team starts chanting take
Speaker 1: her out, take her out. Take you know, they're just chanting,
Speaker 1: take take her out, over and over and over. She pitches,
Speaker 1: you know, because this was a co ed softball, so
Speaker 1: female pitcher. So she pitches the ball and I swing
Speaker 1: at it and completely missed right. And at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh crap. You know, I just told everyone,
Speaker 1: you know, the voice told me what I'm going to
Speaker 1: take out the picture. I got to strike on the
Speaker 1: first swing this. It's going to look bad if I
Speaker 1: don't actually do it, even though realistically, who has that
Speaker 1: much control over a ball and be a softball or
Speaker 1: baseball to be able to specifically, you know, hit the
Speaker 1: ball with that that much accuracy and be able to
Speaker 1: predict where it's going to go and what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: So she pitches again, and I put everything I have
Speaker 1: into this swing, and I just connect with that softball
Speaker 1: just perfectly. And it was like in that moment, everything
Speaker 1: slowed down, and I'm watching the softball just slowly creep
Speaker 1: towards her, and it's just getting closer and closer, and
Speaker 1: I can see her is heading straight for dead center
Speaker 1: on her chest and I can see her arms lifting up,
Speaker 1: and I see her glove and she's arms slowly trying
Speaker 1: to come up to catch the ball before it nails
Speaker 1: or in the chest, and she wasn't fast enough. Boom
Speaker 1: and squaring a chest full speed, it just blasts her
Speaker 1: right off that mount and it kind of from my perspective,
Speaker 1: it kind of looked like you took a shotgun and
Speaker 1: blasted a chest and just flew off that mount. And
Speaker 1: I'm watching all this happen and it's not even really
Speaker 1: connected with me yet, because you know, it's softball. My
Speaker 1: first reaction is like anytime you hit the ball, run
Speaker 1: for the base. So you know, I'm swinging the bat,
Speaker 1: going the bat, and I'm starting to run when I
Speaker 1: get halfway to first base and I stopped because that's
Speaker 1: when it just hit me what just happened. And I
Speaker 1: stop halfway to the first base and I'm looking She's
Speaker 1: just laying on the ground, not moving. I'm looking to
Speaker 1: my rights. I'm right in front of my dugout, and
Speaker 1: all my teammates are glued up against the chains. All
Speaker 1: their mouths are dropped white open. Every one of them
Speaker 1: just looks doun the shit, just completely surprised. No one's
Speaker 1: saying anything. It was like you can hear a pin.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at the picture. I'm just waiting to
Speaker 1: see some kind of life from her, see if she's moving,
Speaker 1: see if she's still conscious. And she's just flat out
Speaker 1: on the ground, not moving, and I'm thinking oh crap,
Speaker 1: I just killed her. You know, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: going to prison because I just told everyone exactly what
Speaker 1: I was going to do to this girl before I
Speaker 1: got to the plate, And I'm like, I'm still stuck
Speaker 1: in the game mode because part of me is like,
Speaker 1: do I run over and check on her, see if
Speaker 1: she's okay? But if I do that, the ball is
Speaker 1: lying right next to her, any one of her teammates
Speaker 1: can come over grabbed the ball, tagging me out at
Speaker 1: the game. You know, I'm not really thinking straight at
Speaker 1: this point. I'm just kind of shocked myself over what
Speaker 1: just happened and what I just did. I just stood
Speaker 1: there and everyone kind of just stood around just it
Speaker 1: was just weird. It was just really weird because no
Speaker 1: one really knew what to do. Eventually, the coach and
Speaker 1: her parents ran out onto the field the check on her.
Speaker 1: Apparently I had hit her so hard it just knocked
Speaker 1: the breath out of her and she lost conscience after
Speaker 1: out cold. She was okay, but just shook up, and
Speaker 1: you know, of course, I went on to the base
Speaker 1: and the game got finished. After the game, I went
Speaker 1: over to apologize to her for what I had done
Speaker 1: because even though it's one of those things you can't
Speaker 1: really control. No one can do something like that. I did,
Speaker 1: and she knew it too, because everyone could hear the
Speaker 1: team chanting take her out. They were loud and they
Speaker 1: were pretty obvious what I had planned on doing to her.
Speaker 1: And this was all because the boys told me I
Speaker 1: was going to and I had no problem doing it.
Speaker 1: So needless to say, we played that team a few
Speaker 1: times after that night, and anytime I came up to bat,
Speaker 1: she walked intentional walk. She never pitched another bottom me again,
Speaker 1: which I wouldn't blame. That was when I was sixteen,
Speaker 1: and that was the last time I heard the voice.
Speaker 1: Because of that night, I was terrified of his voice
Speaker 1: because I was afraid I had no control over it.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it to come back, because you know,
Speaker 1: the second time I heard the voice was at the
Speaker 1: arcade when I was ditching the cops, and I figured
Speaker 1: At that time, I still figured this was some kind
Speaker 1: of like human radar cop detection ability or thing like that.
Speaker 1: But after the softball game, you know, I realized it
Speaker 1: was anything. But there's something else going on. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what. But it's scared the hell out
Speaker 1: of me, because I was afraid, you know, next time
Speaker 1: I might kill someone, I might seriously hurt someone. And
Speaker 1: it might be easy to say but just don't listen
Speaker 1: to the voice. But as I explained, it doesn't work
Speaker 1: that way. So that was the age sixteen. Many years
Speaker 1: go by, many years. Eventually ninety three X Files comes out,
Speaker 1: and you know, my wife and I watched a pilot,
Speaker 1: fall in love with the show, and I'm an X
Speaker 1: Files diehard fan, and of course living in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: at time, two hour drive out there one, you know,
Speaker 1: and at that time, the whole Bob is Our story
Speaker 1: S four, all of that was in the news. George Map,
Speaker 1: you know, that whole shebang was really popular in the
Speaker 1: early nineties mid nineties. Xboles certainly propelled that and vice versa.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was making a number of trips out
Speaker 1: the area, fifty one all the time. I'd always go
Speaker 1: at nighttime, two hour drive out there, two hour drive back,
Speaker 1: and you know, spend an hour a couple hours out
Speaker 1: there just watching the sky at night, hoping to get
Speaker 1: a glimpse of something either from the blackmail box or
Speaker 1: all the way up at the gate. Never saw anything.
Speaker 1: Suspicious or interesting, nothing like that except one night at
Speaker 1: the time. This was before I got my start on
Speaker 1: my computer career field, so I was doing a pizza
Speaker 1: delivery at the time, which was probably one of my
Speaker 1: most favorite jobs, especially in that time frame because I
Speaker 1: was working on an shift. You know, this was the
Speaker 1: time when art Bell is still on the air on
Speaker 1: clost To Coasts and Sundays were my favorite because Art
Speaker 1: Bell would have the Dreamland show of wind the multenhow
Speaker 1: and it would have all kinds of you like Whitley Streetman,
Speaker 1: you can imagine, you get the cruise crews around. And
Speaker 1: the part of town I worked in Vegas was at
Speaker 1: that time furtherest you can get out first town has
Speaker 1: grown since then on the very northern end of town.
Speaker 1: So I was like as far north in Vegas as
Speaker 1: it could, so I can see the Skuys above north
Speaker 1: last Vegas, you know, beyond the mountain range. Listening to
Speaker 1: Art Bell, you know, have all the cigarettes I want
Speaker 1: while I'm driving around delivering pizzas, which I enjoy driving.
Speaker 1: So it was a great tig for me at the time.
Speaker 1: One night, I am working in the kitchen sweeping up
Speaker 1: to corn mill in the kitchen one, I get hit
Speaker 1: with the voice again, you know, hunched over stomach, avedon Paine,
Speaker 1: and the voice tells me to go to the area
Speaker 1: that if you want, And of course I know right
Speaker 1: away why it wants me to go to areas if
Speaker 1: you want. Of course, the only reason I ever go
Speaker 1: out there is to see a UFO I don't know,
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe an alien if I'm that fucky.
Speaker 1: But there is no other reason to make that try
Speaker 1: up there. So when I heard the voice tell me
Speaker 1: to go to area fifty one, it's just going over
Speaker 1: and over in my head, you know, go to area
Speaker 1: pitch one, go to Eric bitch one, because I was
Speaker 1: just kind of like the first instant when I told
Speaker 1: me to run that one played over in my head.
Speaker 1: Though if the voice only says at once, it was
Speaker 1: just like me repeating it over and over in my head.
Speaker 1: So I'm just repeating it on my Twitter. If you
Speaker 1: want to go to a bid one this is And
Speaker 1: there's some confusion because you know, I was aware familiar
Speaker 1: with enough UFO stories, contact stories, abduction stories that often
Speaker 1: a person would hear a voice some kind of direction
Speaker 1: leading them to some remote location before they have their encounter,
Speaker 1: So there was some you know, uncertainty when I heard
Speaker 1: the voice whether this was really the same voice that
Speaker 1: I heard before or whether it was something else. I'm
Speaker 1: fairly sure it was the same voice, just by the
Speaker 1: voice itself and then the physical sensation that came with it,
Speaker 1: but you know, and that situation was just so strange.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be one hundred percent sure. So I thought,
Speaker 1: that's great, you know, go to Area fifty one. But
Speaker 1: I was still supposed to be on the clock for
Speaker 1: a few more hours. Literally, like a minute after I
Speaker 1: heard the voice, my manager calls me over and tells
Speaker 1: me it's dead slow tonight and ask me if I
Speaker 1: would like to leave now. I couldn't believe. It was like,
Speaker 1: you got to be kinning me. Yeah, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I clocked out and got the hell out
Speaker 1: there as fast as I could. And I thought that
Speaker 1: was just a weird ass coincidence. So racing home. On
Speaker 1: my way home, I stopped off at my mother's house.
Speaker 1: When my brother stayed. He had a thirty five millimeter camera.
Speaker 1: I didn't own a camera. He had a nice camera
Speaker 1: that our father had passed down to him previous trips.
Speaker 1: I would make out the area fifty one. I would
Speaker 1: often stop buy at my mom's house and borrow this camera.
Speaker 1: And I say borrow, I didn't ask. I would just
Speaker 1: want less take it, kind of just show up, grab
Speaker 1: the camera, grab some rolls of film, would just take
Speaker 1: off with it and give it back to him a
Speaker 1: few days later. So this particular night, when I stopped
Speaker 1: by to pick up the camera, I found the camera
Speaker 1: case but no camera. So I was kind of sol
Speaker 1: there and I kind of figured he probably hid the
Speaker 1: camera because you know, like I said, I probably should
Speaker 1: probably asked to borrow it all those other times that
Speaker 1: might have been available, So that was a wasted trip.
Speaker 1: I figured, I'm short on time, you know, I need
Speaker 1: to hurry up and get out there, because I you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like I have any idea a timeframe, which
Speaker 1: I learned later doesn't matter, But at that time, I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm short on time, a specific time I need
Speaker 1: to be out there, race home, get home, and get
Speaker 1: out of my uniform, throw on some clothes. I had
Speaker 1: just a fambuoyant alien T shirt, green T shirt with
Speaker 1: this humongous gray face on it. That's what I'm going
Speaker 1: to wear. Because if I meet aliens that night, I
Speaker 1: want to at least come off as like, you know,
Speaker 1: friend and not bo. My car was just at that
Speaker 1: time was decked out and UFO Alien bumper stickers, so
Speaker 1: I had the hole we were in the park covered
Speaker 1: in them. On the front of my car. I had
Speaker 1: an Area fifty one novel keep plays, so I figure
Speaker 1: when I'd pull up on his UFO, whatever is going
Speaker 1: to happen at night, they should be impressed, right, So
Speaker 1: let the wife know where I was going. Hit the road,
Speaker 1: get out of Vegas. Take Las Vegas Boulevard, pass an
Speaker 1: LS Air Force Base all the way to the highway,
Speaker 1: jump on that, and get off at the Apex exit
Speaker 1: ower Station exit, and start heading north on ninety three
Speaker 1: towards Area fifty one. You know, the same drive I've
Speaker 1: made a number of times before on these Area Big
Speaker 1: one trips, and I didn't get far. When you first
Speaker 1: get off on ninety three at the Apex exit, pretty
Speaker 1: much heads due north for a little while before it
Speaker 1: starts turning to the right, kind of a like a
Speaker 1: north east direction. Coming around the end of that turn
Speaker 1: way off the distance I can see some lights, you know,
Speaker 1: is pitch black. This was about this time. It was
Speaker 1: right around ten o'clock PM, and I figured, it's just
Speaker 1: another car on the highway heading towards me, because you
Speaker 1: know these right white lights for yous head lights coming
Speaker 1: towards me. But it's way off on the horizon. So
Speaker 1: I just forgure out it's going to be the first
Speaker 1: car I passed on the road. As I'm driving, you know,
Speaker 1: my mind, of course, is just racing because I'm still
Speaker 1: thinking about go to areas if you wanted to boys
Speaker 1: tell me and how it was right the last three
Speaker 1: times I've heard his voice, not knowing what to expect,
Speaker 1: what's you know, what awaits me at Area fifty? Want
Speaker 1: basically what's going to happen? And my mind is just
Speaker 1: going through a Brazilian scenarios of what I might be encountering,
Speaker 1: what may happen. You know, I'm thinking, you know, is
Speaker 1: there going to be some UFO landed on the ground
Speaker 1: they rolle out the red carpet with some ambassador waiting
Speaker 1: for me up, you know, shake hands or the UFO
Speaker 1: you know, to give me a nice tour of the
Speaker 1: solar system, answer all my questions kind of thing. Because
Speaker 1: I've read by this time. I've read a ton of
Speaker 1: UFO books and watched plenty of documentaries and all that.
Speaker 1: So I've seen plenty and heard plenty that certainly there
Speaker 1: have been some strange contacted cases in the fifties that
Speaker 1: come to mind, or abduction cases like Betty and Barney Hill,
Speaker 1: Travis Walton. So you know, I really had no idea
Speaker 1: what to expect. I was hoping that it was going
Speaker 1: to be a nice encounter, like a contact the case
Speaker 1: where they were going to answer my questions and explain
Speaker 1: life's and mysteries. But even if it wasn't, even if
Speaker 1: it was something scary and they were going to probe
Speaker 1: me and do god knows what with me, I was
Speaker 1: willing to go even if that's how it turned out.
Speaker 1: So I'll ask going through my head. And I'm driving,
Speaker 1: continuing to drive, speeding in fact, because you know, I'm
Speaker 1: worried that, you know, I may miss it, I may
Speaker 1: not get there in time. And looking up ahead, I
Speaker 1: still see these lights, and I realized it just dawns
Speaker 1: on me that I'm getting closer to the lights, but
Speaker 1: the lights should be a lot closer than me. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking then that this is this car maybe they
Speaker 1: broke down yor stuck on the side of the road,
Speaker 1: and my thoughts immediately turned to these lights, this car,
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering, what, you know, what should I do.
Speaker 1: Should I try and help them if they're broke down
Speaker 1: on the side of the road. Should I stop and
Speaker 1: offer to help, or should I just fly by? And
Speaker 1: you know, I need to get somewhere in a hurry,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to spend you know, the evening
Speaker 1: wasted helping them if I don't need to. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was trying to decide how I was going to
Speaker 1: approach that situation, and I decided to basically, I would
Speaker 1: stop and help if it didn't look sketchy, something to
Speaker 1: that effect. But by the time I had reached that decision,
Speaker 1: that's when I realized the lights were not on the road.
Speaker 1: They were actually above the road, hovering over the road.
Speaker 1: And that immediately got a reaction out of me to
Speaker 1: slam on the brakes because the first thing that popped
Speaker 1: in my head was it was a Metro police popt
Speaker 1: It was just my first reaction to the situation this
Speaker 1: this was some police helicopter, because I couldn't think of
Speaker 1: anything else, and that was just what instantly popped in
Speaker 1: my head. You know, I'm speeding. I want to get
Speaker 1: busted for speeding. But then immediately I was thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: I was stupid because I'm way outside the limits of
Speaker 1: Las Vegas at this time. There would be absolutely no
Speaker 1: reason for a police helicopter to be hovering that close
Speaker 1: to the road in the middle of the desert looking
Speaker 1: for speeders. So I knew right away that that couldn't
Speaker 1: be the case. And that's when it popped in my
Speaker 1: head that maybe this has something to do with the
Speaker 1: whole Voice Got Area fifty want. So I had brought
Speaker 1: my binoculars, which I usually kept in the car, grabbed them,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to get a glimpse of these lights
Speaker 1: over the road before I get there, just in pace.
Speaker 1: It doesn't stick around and it's gone by the time
Speaker 1: I drive to this location. So I'm driving. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm probably doing seventy five miles an hour on a
Speaker 1: two lane highway with binoculars trying to look at some
Speaker 1: far distant off object, which was a bad idea because
Speaker 1: I instantly started swerving the car because you know, your
Speaker 1: mind just doesn't work if you try to use binoculars
Speaker 1: while you're driving at the same time to it. So
Speaker 1: I decided to just blore it at that point, you know,
Speaker 1: just get there as fast as I could. Within a
Speaker 1: few minutes, I'm pulling up underneath multiple lights. It was
Speaker 1: just at my first site was there were nine round
Speaker 1: white lights and a kind of arrow arrowhead, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of point formation, fifteen feet to twenty feet above road,
Speaker 1: with the tip of it right above me. I parked
Speaker 1: directly underneath the craft and stopped there in the middle
Speaker 1: of the road looking out, you know, at the window
Speaker 1: road down looking out, and I can see that there's
Speaker 1: a black triangular formation that's connected to lights. Because you
Speaker 1: can see the sky. Las Vegas puts out a lot
Speaker 1: of light pollution and you can see the city a
Speaker 1: good ways away before you even get to it. So
Speaker 1: the sky really isn't that dark when you're that close
Speaker 1: to the city. So it was the background was still
Speaker 1: pretty barely lit for a night sky, that the craft
Speaker 1: was darker than the night sky, and it was low
Speaker 1: enough that when I looked to the horizon from where
Speaker 1: I'm at, there's a mountain range to the north that road,
Speaker 1: and the craft was so low that the rear end
Speaker 1: of it was blocking out my view of the horizon,
Speaker 1: the mountain point. And it was an equal aderable black
Speaker 1: triangle with nine white lights on it, which the tip
Speaker 1: was right above me and dead silent, completely silent. It
Speaker 1: was breezy that night. The wind is blowing through the brush.
Speaker 1: I could hear the brush and the noise that the
Speaker 1: wind was making blowing through that over If this was
Speaker 1: making any noise, it was quieter than that. So I
Speaker 1: decided to do a few test, you know, because I
Speaker 1: know typically a lot of times cars power failure shorts
Speaker 1: things of that nature of son no power failure at all.
Speaker 1: Car stayed on the entire time. I'm slamm, I'm on
Speaker 1: my gas, you know, because I'm in a park this time,
Speaker 1: and just revenue engine. I can fill the car swaying
Speaker 1: back and forth from the engine revenue, no problem. There
Speaker 1: no failures on the vehicle at all. I rolled that out.
Speaker 1: So I decided to just study the light bulbs on
Speaker 1: this thing, because the craft was so dark that you
Speaker 1: couldn't see any detail whatsoever on the skin of this object,
Speaker 1: and nothing stuck out that could tell me anything about
Speaker 1: the skin of the craft. And you know, for as
Speaker 1: bright as these lights were and reflecting off the highway
Speaker 1: and the desert next to it. None of that was
Speaker 1: bouncing off whatever you know this craft.
Speaker 2: Was made of.
Speaker 1: It just did not reflect by. So I figured, you know,
Speaker 1: pointless to try to get anything from the skin an
Speaker 1: they craft. But the lights offered on an amazing amount
Speaker 1: of detail. I was close enough that I can see
Speaker 1: entrit in details and the lights. So the light bulbs
Speaker 1: themselves were what shocked me because they were surprisingly normal
Speaker 1: man made kind of bulbs. I mean they looked like
Speaker 1: Edison filament. Well they were Edison filament bulbs. Did it
Speaker 1: even look they were Edison filament bulbs. So if you
Speaker 1: can imagine an outdoor spotlight on the inside of the lights,
Speaker 1: you know, you got your cone shape, where got the
Speaker 1: mirror finish on it. You got the cone shape on
Speaker 1: the inside with a mirror finish out the center of it.
Speaker 1: You got the two wires that come up, and then
Speaker 1: you've got a looping wire that goes between it, which
Speaker 1: burns a hot orange. The face of this bulb basically
Speaker 1: has like the diamond plated pattern you see on the
Speaker 1: old chrome vehicles back in the day. It's got like
Speaker 1: a diamond plate pattern, but it's just an an embossed
Speaker 1: diffuse pattern on the glass, which looks like it was
Speaker 1: on the inside of the glass, not the outside. The
Speaker 1: outside of the glass bulb looks like it was smooth,
Speaker 1: whereas this diamond pattern would have been on the inside,
Speaker 1: embossed on the inside of that. So these light bulbs
Speaker 1: were just rest real. I mean, there is nothing alien
Speaker 1: about these light bulbs at all. That look fantastic for
Speaker 1: futuristic or hundreds if not thousands of years beyond our technology.
Speaker 1: It looked like I could have gone down a home
Speaker 1: deep bottle them. So that really shocked me, and I
Speaker 1: decided that I wanted to get an even better look
Speaker 1: at these light bulbs with my binoculars because I thought
Speaker 1: maybe there might be some markings that are on the
Speaker 1: bulb so they can't see, but I might be able
Speaker 1: to see what the binoculars and I had thrown them
Speaker 1: in the back seats when I was trying to get
Speaker 1: a look at it while I was driving, so I'm
Speaker 1: reaching behind me trying to grab these binoculars, can't find them,
Speaker 1: So I knew I was going to have to take
Speaker 1: my light eyes off the object for a moment and
Speaker 1: grab the monoculars so really quick. I look behind me,
Speaker 1: see them, spot them, grab them, turn back round. The
Speaker 1: damn things gone, I mean like that. And I heard
Speaker 1: nothing too. It's like when I turn around and grab
Speaker 1: it turned back, there was nigh lanth you know, a
Speaker 1: woosh or an engine sound or anything. It's just gone.
Speaker 1: So I'm scanning the horizon looking at well. My first
Speaker 1: thought was look up, you know, because I figure it's
Speaker 1: going to be flying up in a way.
Speaker 2: No, it was.
Speaker 1: It was on the ground. I spot it to my
Speaker 1: seven o'clock position, hugging the ground as it's flying away
Speaker 1: at like a helicopter speed, like a path moving helicopter.
Speaker 1: So this thing is hugging the ground. And at this
Speaker 1: point I can now see the top of the graph
Speaker 1: and it was basically a short tetrahedron, you know, a
Speaker 1: three sided pyramid basically, but short. The lights are still on,
Speaker 1: so it's illuminating the ground as it moves away. And
Speaker 1: the weird thing about it was it's the way it
Speaker 1: hugged the ground. It's still kept the same distance as
Speaker 1: it was when it was over my car or over
Speaker 1: the highway, but it followed the contour of the ground.
Speaker 1: So if the ground went up, it went up. The
Speaker 1: ground went down, it went down. But it was a
Speaker 1: lot like it always maintained a certain distance from the ground,
Speaker 1: whether it's fifteen feet twenty feet, it just kept that
Speaker 1: at all times. So I'm watching it. I have my
Speaker 1: binoculars in hand, so I'm watching it now fore the
Speaker 1: binoculars the whole time as it's leaving, and you know,
Speaker 1: it heads straight for a while, and then it pivots
Speaker 1: instantly on a dime and heads due north towards the
Speaker 1: mountain range and it hits the base of the mountains,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, at any point it should shoot straight
Speaker 1: up in the air and fly off, because that's what
Speaker 1: I would expect. That's how it's always been done, you know,
Speaker 1: at least all the cases I've read, TV shows I watch.
Speaker 1: You know, these things go up in the air and
Speaker 1: they take off right. So what I was about to
Speaker 1: see next totally shocked me, because this thing climbed the
Speaker 1: mountain side like the freaking foor Bike four. It just
Speaker 1: basically went up, crawled up the side of this mountain
Speaker 1: and then got to the peak and then dropped down
Speaker 1: the other side. Like I've compared it to speed racers
Speaker 1: on Star Wars. They hovered just above the grounding kind
Speaker 1: of just follow the ground. But that's what I did.
Speaker 2: It just.
Speaker 1: The side of this mountain. The lights are still on,
Speaker 1: so those eliminated the side as goes up and it
Speaker 1: just at the side of this mountain and then crawls
Speaker 1: down the other side. And that was when I lost
Speaker 1: sight of it. So I stayed there for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm expecting it. You know, it's like mountain after mountain
Speaker 1: after mountain. It was arranged, so it wasn't like just
Speaker 1: one I had to get over. There was more than
Speaker 1: a few. I'm thinking I should see it pop up
Speaker 1: at any moment, didn't. You know, I completely lost sight
Speaker 1: of it. After that, I'm totally blown away, and I
Speaker 1: still have in my head the message go to area
Speaker 1: fifty because I'm not. I'm not anywhere near area. I'm
Speaker 1: still fifteen minutes outside of Las Vegas. You know, I
Speaker 1: still have a good hour and a half drive if
Speaker 1: I speed to get the area of fifty one. So
Speaker 1: at that time, I'm thinking this was just an introduction,
Speaker 1: I prelude of what's to come. There's still more to come,
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, you know, it's about to get real juicy,
Speaker 1: you know, it's about to get crazy. Whatever is awaiting
Speaker 1: me at Area fifty one, so I step on it
Speaker 1: and continue my drive out right out there, you know,
Speaker 1: roughly hour and a half later after that, hung around
Speaker 1: there for a while, but on the drive there, nothing
Speaker 1: else happened, normal drive, like any other night. I made
Speaker 1: the trip, got out there, sat out there waiting for something,
Speaker 1: hoping for something, and nothing else happened. So you know,
Speaker 1: eventually I gave up, turned around, drove back home to
Speaker 1: drive home was uneventful. Nothing else happened on the drive home.
Speaker 1: That was it, now, I should say the voice. So
Speaker 1: that was my fourth experience with the voice. There would
Speaker 1: be a couple more incidents with his voice concerning some
Speaker 1: accidents with my daughter. And it's through these accidents which
Speaker 1: gave me a lot more insight into what this voice is,
Speaker 1: how worse and what it means and all of that.
Speaker 1: And then that's the thing. So if I were to
Speaker 1: just tell you just my UFO story, you know, a
Speaker 1: voice told me if if one had any counter with
Speaker 1: his craft, and as I'm you know, I've done a
Speaker 1: number of TV shows and other interviews and a lot
Speaker 1: of times the focus is always on the UFO encounter
Speaker 1: and that voice and nothing else really gets covered, so
Speaker 1: people come away with the conclusion, well, he's, you know,
Speaker 1: an abducteam just as now it's or this voice was
Speaker 1: really aliens, or maybe it's some kind of experimental government weapon,
Speaker 1: you know, that allows you to hear voices ahead, that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. But in this case I can say no,
Speaker 1: definitely not aliens and definitely not government experiment or anything
Speaker 1: of that sort.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I would have a couple more experiences
Speaker 1: with this voice, and it was in accidents with my
Speaker 1: daughter that was finally the AHA moment for me about
Speaker 1: what the voice was. But my takeaway from that night
Speaker 1: was the craft was ours. It wasn't alien, it wasn't
Speaker 1: extra dimensional, it wasn't anything remotely close to that. It
Speaker 1: was military. It was an advanced, very advanced exotic Pultion
Speaker 1: stealth aircraft. No, of course, what was it doing over
Speaker 1: a highway in the middle of nowhere and that particular
Speaker 1: timing and the voice and all that, that's another story altogether.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for most people, they tend to think that
Speaker 1: must have been alien. But I'm one of those few
Speaker 1: people like claim what they saw was in fact terrestrial.
Speaker 1: So that was I didn't even mention the date. That
Speaker 1: was March twenty seventh, nineteen ninety six, and the sighting
Speaker 1: was from ten pm to ten ten pm, so the
Speaker 1: last ten minutes total, no missing time, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole well, all my time was accounted for. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like I was missing hours or anything like that. So
Speaker 1: that incident came and went. I still remained interested in
Speaker 1: active in the UFO research after that, although my approach
Speaker 1: to the subject had changed. Well, I should say, up
Speaker 1: to that point, I thought they're all alien. There are
Speaker 1: no man made you with both, there's no susters and
Speaker 1: made you with both. They're straight up all aliens. That
Speaker 1: night changed all of that and changed the way I
Speaker 1: researched the subject as well. So this would have been
Speaker 1: about the year two thousand and two thousand and one Luke,
Speaker 1: Colorado and ninety nine, my wife and our kids. By
Speaker 1: then we had three kids, two boys and a girl.
Speaker 1: And I've always wanted a daughter, So we had a girl,
Speaker 1: baby girl, and late ninety nine. She was a daddy's girl.
Speaker 1: And left her, you know, with everything I got and
Speaker 1: very attached to her. And one day we lived in
Speaker 1: that duplex and the neighbors had a teenage daughter who
Speaker 1: was our babysitter, and I was home by myself, my daughter,
Speaker 1: the wife was out with the boys, and the babysitter
Speaker 1: came over and wanted to play with, you know, play
Speaker 1: with the daughter. She was not even a euro at
Speaker 1: this time and still crawling stage. So I said sure.
Speaker 1: She took you know, to her daughter next door to
Speaker 1: play with her. I didn't think anything about it, because
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, she's a babysitter. She's watching kids.
Speaker 1: Before I was in the kitchen and she comes bursting
Speaker 1: into the front door, no knock, and just comes bracing
Speaker 1: and bursting into the house, yelling my name, screaming my name,
Speaker 1: and I knew instantly something was dreadfully wrong by the
Speaker 1: tone of her voice. Something was seriously wrong. And I
Speaker 1: come out there and I find her holding my daughter,
Speaker 1: and she's blue like like, uh, you've ever seen a
Speaker 1: smurse or you know, Willie Wonka, like upa lumpas she
Speaker 1: was that blue. And that was the first time I've
Speaker 1: even seen a person turn that blue. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that happens, as I was shocked. On top of
Speaker 1: it is my daughter, so that was really hit me.
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out and I grab her. I can see
Speaker 1: she's still conscious because her eyes are moving around and
Speaker 1: she looks scared as hell, and I realized she's choking
Speaker 1: to death. And I don't know how long I have
Speaker 1: before she totally just you know, dies, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: and you know, and on top of it, I had
Speaker 1: CPR training, but CPR on influence is totally different than
Speaker 1: a CPR on an adult. I'm trying to get into
Speaker 1: her throat to figure out what's lodged in her throat,
Speaker 1: what she's choking on, and I couldn't get to it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out what it was. And I'm running
Speaker 1: out of ideas, and I know she's running out of time.
Speaker 1: So I grab her by her ankles, hang her upside down,
Speaker 1: and decide to start jumping up and down while I'm
Speaker 1: holding on her. And as I come down on the ground,
Speaker 1: so it push into her abdomen and I'm hoping gravity
Speaker 1: will do the trick. At the same time, I'm kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, doing a little a behind lick in her
Speaker 1: abdomen area. And I did this like three or four times,
Speaker 1: and then I heard this teak and then I heard
Speaker 1: this just vacking noise, this great sucking noise, and instantly
Speaker 1: after that this blood curling scream, which was the best
Speaker 1: scream I've ever heard of my life, because I knew
Speaker 1: she was breathing at that point, you know, and she
Speaker 1: was okay, you know, I had to check it out.
Speaker 1: Everything was fine, you know, no serious damage. Apparently, when
Speaker 1: she was next door, the babysitter decided to go to
Speaker 1: a bathroom leave her on the floor by herself, and
Speaker 1: she found a dime on the floor and followed it,
Speaker 1: so she was, you know, just choking on some coin.
Speaker 1: But you know, this incident really scarred me because you know,
Speaker 1: I was that close to watching my daughter die in
Speaker 1: my arms, and that was a dreadful That was probably
Speaker 1: the worst feeling I've ever had. And I became like
Speaker 1: O c D overprotective of her after that accident. Where
Speaker 1: it was, you know, it was probably over to edge.
Speaker 1: We had the staircase in the house, very steep staircase
Speaker 1: with the fireplace at the bottom, was like a rock
Speaker 1: mantle around it. So if you ever were to fall
Speaker 1: down those stairs, at first thing you're going to hit
Speaker 1: just run right into this rock fireplace. And of course
Speaker 1: we had to you know, blocked off with the child
Speaker 1: safety gates top and bottom. I knew eventually, sooner or later,
Speaker 1: because we were there for a while, she's going to
Speaker 1: have to learn how to navigate those stairs. So when
Speaker 1: that day came, anytime I was home and around and
Speaker 1: she went either up or down those stairs, I escorted
Speaker 1: her up and down those stairs without fail every day
Speaker 1: every time. You know, that over protection kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't want for falling down the stairs, hitting that fireplace,
Speaker 1: or just falling down the stairs in general. So that
Speaker 1: went on for a long time. I won't on for
Speaker 1: many many months. I did that where if she was
Speaker 1: going up the stairs, followed her. If she's coming down
Speaker 1: the stairs, I got in front of her. When I
Speaker 1: would escort her, I had this mental kind of exercise
Speaker 1: I would play in my head as I'm doing that. Basically,
Speaker 1: I would imagine her rolling down the stairs from a
Speaker 1: specific spot on the stairs. I'm standing in a very
Speaker 1: specific spot I am. You know, she's wearing very specific things,
Speaker 1: rolls down a certain way. And then my reaction to
Speaker 1: that was basically kind of rolled my arms up in
Speaker 1: a sea, both of them, and like a breast of shape,
Speaker 1: and drop them down to the steps as she rolls
Speaker 1: right into my arms and scoop her up. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, I just you know, I had this exercise
Speaker 1: I came up with my head, and anytime I escorted her,
Speaker 1: I would play this exercise, mental exercise in my head
Speaker 1: over and over and over, and always the exact same.
Speaker 1: I never deviated on his mental exercise. It was the
Speaker 1: same mental exercise every time. So, like I said, just
Speaker 1: went on for a long time until one day I'm
Speaker 1: watching her go up the stairs and I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: at this point, she hasn't mastered. She's not fallen one time,
Speaker 1: not lost her balance once, pretty much mastered going up
Speaker 1: and down the staircase. So I decided I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to do it anymore. She had no accidents, she had
Speaker 1: no issues. I wasn't worried about it at that point.
Speaker 1: She was growing up that she could do it.
Speaker 3: So that was it.
Speaker 1: I stopped doing it. A couple more months go by,
Speaker 1: and one day on my desk in the living room
Speaker 1: on my computer, and I heard the voice again, and
Speaker 1: a voice tells me, your daughter's going to fall down
Speaker 1: the stairs. I'm a bit shocked because by now it's
Speaker 1: been probably five close to five years since that last
Speaker 1: had heard the voice that night of the UFO count.
Speaker 1: But same thing, same as before. I hear the voice
Speaker 1: tells me, I hear that, I get that billion of
Speaker 1: my abbing them in my stomach, my gut crunching over.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, as a little bizarre because my daughter's
Speaker 1: not even in the house. Well right after I heard
Speaker 1: the voice, she comes walking into the house and walks
Speaker 1: up to the face of the staircase. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: well that's kind of ridiculous. Okay, no, biggie, get up
Speaker 1: from my desk, walk up behind her. I'm thinking, how
Speaker 1: in the hell is she gonna fall? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: right here, There's no way she's gonna fall. So I
Speaker 1: followed her. I got up a few steps, and I
Speaker 1: stopped and just watched her as she walked up the staircase.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, she's got this. I mean, the voice
Speaker 1: has got to be wrong. There's no way she's gonna fall.
Speaker 1: And I watched, standing there and I'm moving, watched her
Speaker 1: walk all the way up to the top where there's
Speaker 1: a landing. She turns you to right and goes up
Speaker 1: a couple more steps and disappears out of my pute.
Speaker 1: At that point, I'm like, what the hell just happened?
Speaker 1: You know? I you know, this would be my fifth
Speaker 1: experience with the voice. It was always right, never wrong,
Speaker 1: always one hundred percent right on the money, and yet
Speaker 1: it just told me my daughter was going to fall
Speaker 1: down on the stairs and I didn't know. I'm standing there.
Speaker 1: I watched her walk up the stairs, no problem, just
Speaker 1: geared on my view got up to the second floor,
Speaker 1: some kind of lost in my own thoughts at this point,
Speaker 1: kind of dazing off in the direction of the living
Speaker 1: room to decide to kind of behind me. I'm not
Speaker 1: paying attention to the staircase at this point, kind of
Speaker 1: in my confused day's state. I start hearing a screaming.
Speaker 1: I quickly realized my wife was in the living room,
Speaker 1: who I did have a view of the staircase, was
Speaker 1: pointing up the stairs. Even though what she was saying
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand. I just quickly turned around and I
Speaker 1: see my daughter rolling towards me, and it almost like
Speaker 1: memory reflex. It felt like like my body automatically just
Speaker 1: knew what to do, how to respond, how to react,
Speaker 1: and it kind of just went into action before I
Speaker 1: can even think fast enough to put it into action.
Speaker 1: My body instantly dropped down with my arms and a
Speaker 1: kind of a crescent shape. She rolled right into my arms,
Speaker 1: scooped her up, and that was that. And now I'm
Speaker 1: really freaking out because I had just watched her get
Speaker 1: all the way up to the top of the stairs
Speaker 1: and disappear. Why did she fall down the stairs? And
Speaker 1: you know, checked her out? Of course, she was fine
Speaker 1: those serious injuries, other than the little startled and scared.
Speaker 1: Now I'm really rethinking this whole voice thing because what
Speaker 1: happened shouldn't have just happened. There was no reason for
Speaker 1: her to fall down those stairs, so I couldn't really
Speaker 1: understand at that point why she did. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, the moment I turned around and looked up
Speaker 1: the staircase and see my daughter as she falls and
Speaker 1: I screwed her up was an exact replica of this
Speaker 1: mental exercise I had been playing in my head for
Speaker 1: day on day, month after month. It was like I
Speaker 1: had just actually seen the mental exercise come to life,
Speaker 1: you know, and full blown living three D picture. So
Speaker 1: that threw me for a loop as well, you know what,
Speaker 1: what the hell is his voice? So another week goes
Speaker 1: by and we decided to go visit some friends out
Speaker 1: in the country who used to be our neighbors that
Speaker 1: had moved away. So we went out there to visit them.
Speaker 1: It was on a big property a long ass driveway.
Speaker 1: When we go to visit, I felt awkward about parking
Speaker 1: in front of their place. I kind of parked at
Speaker 1: the end of the driveway, even though it was a
Speaker 1: good driveway. It was a long stretch. I parked near
Speaker 1: the end of it, and we were there for a while.
Speaker 1: I decided to step outside for a cigarette break, and
Speaker 1: sitting here smoking cigaret, I'm outside by myself and I
Speaker 1: hear the voice again, and the voice tells me your
Speaker 1: daughter is going to get her handslammed in the car door.
Speaker 1: Same physical sensation as all the other times. And I'm
Speaker 1: again thinking this is ridiculous because the kids are nowhere.
Speaker 1: All the kids are inside now, none of the kids
Speaker 1: are outside. I'm by myself. They're nowhere near the car
Speaker 1: carslet idea of the driveway. So I kind of brush
Speaker 1: it off. I think there's no way, even though every
Speaker 1: time I hear it it's always accurate. It's always right on.
Speaker 1: The youngest, my middle child, and my second son, comes
Speaker 1: outside and he wanted to get some toys that we
Speaker 1: had brought out of the car. So I said sure,
Speaker 1: he was old enough he could walk down to the car,
Speaker 1: you know, open up the door, grab his stuff. Doesn't
Speaker 1: put any thought into it. So he walks over to
Speaker 1: the car, opens up a passenger door, and is just
Speaker 1: standing there, kind of just goofing off grabbing his stuff.
Speaker 1: But he's just kind of just hanging out there with
Speaker 1: the door open. A little bit after and my daughter
Speaker 1: comes outside, and I was thinking, okay, okay, I can
Speaker 1: I can kind of see it coming together now, I
Speaker 1: can kind of get a picture of what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: so for no problem, you know, I can look this
Speaker 1: in the butt before it happens. So I yelped my
Speaker 1: son close the car door, and he's just playing stupid
Speaker 1: at me, like, Dad, what I can't hear you. I'm
Speaker 1: yelling close to the car door, what uh? And he's
Speaker 1: just ignoring me, blow me off. And I keep yelling
Speaker 1: at him close to goddamn car door, and he's just
Speaker 1: these he refuses, he's not going to do it. And
Speaker 1: my daughter, who sees him out at the car, is
Speaker 1: walking towards the car just to kind of curiosity see
Speaker 1: what her brother's doing. I keep yelling at him and
Speaker 1: close the car door. He's blowing me off. My daughter
Speaker 1: is now coming along the driver's sides, you know, the
Speaker 1: front of the car space, and me she's coming and
Speaker 1: the driver's side and trying to walk around the back
Speaker 1: end of the car and come up behind them. I
Speaker 1: finally decided to just book. It run for the car
Speaker 1: as fast as I can get the car door shut
Speaker 1: before she gets to it. So I'm running for the
Speaker 1: car full speed. My son, who had been blowing me
Speaker 1: off and ignoring me it wasn't even paying attention. He
Speaker 1: looked up he saw me running at him full speed,
Speaker 1: and he just had that like, oh crap, I'm about
Speaker 1: to get my ass whoop book on his face, and
Speaker 1: without even thinking twice, he just grabbed a car door
Speaker 1: and slammed his shut. Just at the exact moment my
Speaker 1: daughter came up right behind him and had reached into
Speaker 1: the car, and she got her hand just into the car,
Speaker 1: you know, the car opening when the door got slammed
Speaker 1: on shut completely closed. I mean, I was amazed when
Speaker 1: I walked up, the dark door was completely closed, and
Speaker 1: yet she somehow had her complete hand stuck in the door.
Speaker 1: I immediately opened the car door and freed her hand
Speaker 1: and was amazed. She had no cuts, no bruises, no
Speaker 1: broken bones. Other than you know, it scared the hell
Speaker 1: out of her. Of course, she is screaming and yelling.
Speaker 1: You know, my son too is freaking out because he's
Speaker 1: thinking he's about to get you know, a good whip him,
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of flabbercatted again by this voice
Speaker 1: like it happened. And yet I thought I could stop
Speaker 1: what was going to happen. I thought it could change
Speaker 1: the future. Even though I knew what was going to
Speaker 1: happen happen, I thought I had some kind of control
Speaker 1: to be able to change it or prevent it from happening.
Speaker 1: And it was then I realized that my actions were
Speaker 1: actually producing the results that I was trying to prevent
Speaker 1: that I couldn't have easily predicted on my own. And
Speaker 1: it takes some more time thinking about it after. But
Speaker 1: there was a third accident, a third and final accident
Speaker 1: with my daughter. Basically I was in the kitchen, my
Speaker 1: boys were outside on the swing set. And this one
Speaker 1: was a little bit different because I didn't hear the
Speaker 1: voice this time, but I saw a vision. So in
Speaker 1: a kitchen, and I get that stomach sensation at filling
Speaker 1: in my gut, but instead of hearing a voice, actually
Speaker 1: see a vision kind of just pops up in front
Speaker 1: of me like that like a projector screen kind of
Speaker 1: just instantly right in front of me. It kind of
Speaker 1: like a circle is kind of void, and I see
Speaker 1: my daughter walking up to the swing set, my boys
Speaker 1: on it, and she gets kicked in the head by
Speaker 1: my oldest. She's swinging on it, she's not paying attention.
Speaker 1: She basically walks into him as he kicks her in ahead,
Speaker 1: kicks her to the ground, and my daughter had just
Speaker 1: walked out the back door just when it's happened. So
Speaker 1: my first reaction was just start screaming her name, Catherine,
Speaker 1: you know, Catherine. I started screaming her name, and right
Speaker 1: after that I hear her wailing and crying, and I
Speaker 1: already knew what had happened. I run out of the backyard.
Speaker 1: Of course, she's lying on the ground on the swing set.
Speaker 1: My oldest said, no, it's swinging, not paying attention. She
Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention, kicked her in the head really good,
Speaker 1: and yelling at him what happened. And basically at the
Speaker 1: point when I started yelling her name, she turned her
Speaker 1: direction to the house, you know, towards me as she
Speaker 1: kept walking towards the swing set, and of course out
Speaker 1: into by my son. After that incident, I'm really freaking
Speaker 1: out now because this is like a third accident with
Speaker 1: my daughter with this voice, and like a short time period,
Speaker 1: you know, with all the other experiences with the voice,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, many of them were years apart
Speaker 1: before I would hear the voice, And here it was.
Speaker 1: I had free incidents all of my daughter within you know,
Speaker 1: within a month, just weeks apart from each, and I
Speaker 1: was worried now that it wasn't going to stop. I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to control it. I didn't know how
Speaker 1: to stop it. I was afraid that it was going
Speaker 1: to just continue until one accident that eventually killed my daughter.
Speaker 1: So at that point I was just really scared shitless
Speaker 1: of what was going to come next. So I started realizing,
Speaker 1: though that it seems this voice somehow seems to be
Speaker 1: influenced by my thoughts, my focus. So I started to
Speaker 1: change the way I think about things and look at things,
Speaker 1: and that seemed to have done the trick. And that
Speaker 1: was the last time I heard the voice and the
Speaker 1: last experience I had with it, but certainly not the
Speaker 1: end of my trying to better understand what this voice
Speaker 1: is and how it works and what it means. Kind
Speaker 1: of a long drawn out story with his voice. And
Speaker 1: there's people, you know, are you schizophrenic, are you crazy
Speaker 1: doing drugs? Are you hallucinating or even in the case
Speaker 1: of the UFONE counter, you know, was this voice maybe
Speaker 1: it was a disembodied spirit to ghost. Is it a
Speaker 1: you know, God? Is it the devil?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: There's just so many things because aliens, you know, government
Speaker 1: some secret contraction. After the accident with my daughter, I
Speaker 1: began working on precognition to better understand what precognition is,
Speaker 1: how it works, what it means, because every time I
Speaker 1: dealt with his voice, it always dealt with the future
Speaker 1: event that was going to happen. So, you know, at
Speaker 1: first it began as just radar ability. I thought it
Speaker 1: was just some weird gift I had for a detecting
Speaker 1: police and then after the softball incident, I realized it
Speaker 1: was something far more than that. By the time I
Speaker 1: had the UFO encounter, I thought it was some type
Speaker 1: of precognitive ability, and after the incident with my daughter,
Speaker 1: I still kind of lean towards that, but I think
Speaker 1: there's something far more to it than that, because not
Speaker 1: only was it precognitive, but it was self fulfilling. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just predicting the future. It was causing the
Speaker 1: future to happen through ways I could never have possibly predicted.
Speaker 1: I mean it would be like saying, say, you're really
Speaker 1: into meteorites, you love meteors, you go media hunting all
Speaker 1: the time, and you would really just like to catch
Speaker 1: one live. So one day you have a voye tell
Speaker 1: you go to the park, you know, and you do,
Speaker 1: and you grab a bucket because you think, you get
Speaker 1: this impression there was going to be a metea there.
Speaker 1: And you get to the park and you're holding your bucket.
Speaker 1: Boom out of the sky, I meteor drops the lands
Speaker 1: right in your buck I mean, what would be the
Speaker 1: audice like that happening. That's what we're talking about, is
Speaker 1: something incredibly weird but specific like that. So what I
Speaker 1: learned was and what my research led me to conclude,
Speaker 1: is there's a number of things we're wrong about or
Speaker 1: we just haven't figured out yet, and one of them
Speaker 1: is the way causality works. Of course, causality is a
Speaker 1: cornerstone of science, you know, cause and effect. We grew
Speaker 1: up with that in grade school. Or every action is
Speaker 1: an equal and opposite reaction. You know, one thing leads
Speaker 1: to another, and we're all here because just a sequence
Speaker 1: of events that just chain reactions that leads to this
Speaker 1: moment right now. But that's only half the story. What
Speaker 1: I've learned is that retro causality is the other half
Speaker 1: of the story that we're going to learn about. That
Speaker 1: not only is this moment influenced by the past, but
Speaker 1: it's also being influenced by the future. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of a combination that the past and the future influencing
Speaker 1: this moment at the same time. So how exactly does
Speaker 1: the future influence the past? Everyone has experienced it and
Speaker 1: they just don't realize it. And if you've ever experienced synchronicity,
Speaker 1: you've experienced the future influenced the past would be one example.
Speaker 1: And Carl Young would say synchronicity is basically meaningful connections
Speaker 1: between events that are not causally related and otherwise there's
Speaker 1: no cause and effect between what would be like you're
Speaker 1: at home watching TV. You suddenly think about an old
Speaker 1: high school brand you haven't talked to in decades. They
Speaker 1: pop in your mind out of the blue. There's not
Speaker 1: so many normally think about next thing, you know, your
Speaker 1: phone rings and guess who's on the phone? This high
Speaker 1: school frand you think how weird? And also fromicity right there,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about you and here you call me.
Speaker 1: There must be some meaning. It's like the universe is
Speaker 1: talking to me. And then that's a lot of times
Speaker 1: the approach we take with things like that, we tend
Speaker 1: to think there's some kind of special meaning to it.
Speaker 1: The universe is talking to you, it must mean something.
Speaker 1: It's a sign. Well, actually it was. It was just
Speaker 1: the future and listen in the past. You're just picking
Speaker 1: up on your recept to it. We all are. I
Speaker 1: know there's been tests done on us where I can't
Speaker 1: remember the details, but basically, essentially, you're watching a video.
Speaker 1: People just test subjects are watching this video and they're
Speaker 1: reacting to images just split seconds before they're showing these
Speaker 1: you know, disturbing images. They caused some physical reactions. So
Speaker 1: it's something we all can do. It's just in my
Speaker 1: case I seem to have fine tuned to the point
Speaker 1: where I get actually produced the events. So with retro
Speaker 1: causality and synchronicity, fernicity is where you're receptive to the future,
Speaker 1: but that reception doesn't necessarily cause that event to happen.
Speaker 1: In the case with the person phone call from a
Speaker 1: high school plan, he thought about his high school friend
Speaker 1: before he got the phone call, but his thinking about
Speaker 1: it didn't cause the phone call happen. So there's a
Speaker 1: relationship there, but there's no cause effect on the future.
Speaker 1: Influenced the past, but the past didn't turn around and
Speaker 1: in the future and influence the future. Whereas and say,
Speaker 1: each of my situations with the voice, especially with my daughter,
Speaker 1: we have a situation where a potential future event influenced
Speaker 1: the past and that influence thereby caused that future event
Speaker 1: to happen. So as a closed time move I also
Speaker 1: called a bootstrap paradox, where seemingly information comes into existence
Speaker 1: from nowhere and causes a series of events to happen
Speaker 1: that otherwise would. So the way it works is I
Speaker 1: eventually came up with a theory about a control system,
Speaker 1: and it might be the same control system that Jacques
Speaker 1: Ballet has probably talked about to some degree. I don't
Speaker 1: know how far he ever got on his control system theory,
Speaker 1: but essentially I think we might be on the same
Speaker 1: page in that regard. So control system theory is this
Speaker 1: that if we think about causality, cosmic effect, that forward
Speaker 1: motion of time, progressive events, it's an automated process. There's
Speaker 1: nothing we have to do to make causality work. It's
Speaker 1: just the nature of reality of the universe. Everything abides
Speaker 1: by that rule cosm effect. Now when it comes to
Speaker 1: retrocausality is not as clear cut as that, because there
Speaker 1: needs to be a control system in place to prevent
Speaker 1: basically spacetime paradoxis from occurring. Because when you have a
Speaker 1: future event influenced the past, and you have the possibility
Speaker 1: of causing time paradoxis, and a time travel example would
Speaker 1: be say, if you've traveled back in time and you
Speaker 1: killed your grandfather before he ever had a family, how
Speaker 1: does that happen exactly? I mean, because if you were
Speaker 1: to do that, your grandfather is dead, he never grew
Speaker 1: up raised a family. Therefore it never led to your
Speaker 1: eventual birth in existence. So how could you possibly travel
Speaker 1: back in time till your grandfather at the same time
Speaker 1: basically void your existence. So to prevent that from happen,
Speaker 1: there's a control system in place for retropausal events, and
Speaker 1: this control system ensures that such things don't happen. This
Speaker 1: voice and the last example I gave it was a vision,
Speaker 1: and most of them it was a voice, and I
Speaker 1: can give I'll go into more detail of the differences,
Speaker 1: and the wider is the difference between the two. But
Speaker 1: essentially it doesn't matter if it's a vision, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter voice. Bottom line, what it really is is called
Speaker 1: the control system. Now previous interviews, I've called it a
Speaker 1: fair signal. I've had a lot of chats with AI
Speaker 1: to work out my theory and ideas, but the control
Speaker 1: signal would be more accurate as to what it is.
Speaker 1: So essentially, the control signal is responsible for setting into
Speaker 1: action a certain chain of events that must lead to
Speaker 1: the future event is predicted. So all it is is
Speaker 1: basically a computer function. That's how I look at it
Speaker 1: and how I think it's more like makes it more
Speaker 1: cold and calculating, but that's essentially what it is. It
Speaker 1: doesn't care what you think, what you feel. Its only
Speaker 1: purpose is to ensure that that future event happens. It's
Speaker 1: however way it needs to get you there. So like
Speaker 1: in the case of my daughter getting her hands, you know,
Speaker 1: slammed in the car door, I had no idea at
Speaker 1: that time when I heard the voice that my choices
Speaker 1: would lead up to the accident. It still even though
Speaker 1: at the point I heard the voice, the whole thing
Speaker 1: was programmed. The whole thing was predetermined. So from the
Speaker 1: time I heard that voice to the accident with her
Speaker 1: hand in the door, there is nothing anyone myself included
Speaker 1: could do stop from happening. It was great, and as
Speaker 1: part of what this control system does is to step
Speaker 1: in change the program and to ensure that future event happens.
Speaker 1: So we're getting into some really way out there territory
Speaker 1: because I know for a lot of people this is
Speaker 1: all new information, new territory. Although science is currently working
Speaker 1: out problems with retrocausality, they're still not quite there yet.
Speaker 1: So they will be as soon enough, and they'll come
Speaker 1: to the same conclusions that I've already reached with retro
Speaker 1: Causality is just the flip side of the same coin
Speaker 1: of causality. So you can think causality as evolution. Then
Speaker 1: you can compare retro causality to creation. They're basically two
Speaker 1: sides at the same point. Now, retro causality is connected
Speaker 1: to I later learned many things through my research, but
Speaker 1: known by many names, and we just weren't aware of it.
Speaker 1: So if you think of prayer, if you think of
Speaker 1: the law of attraction, if you think of the secret
Speaker 1: you think of manifesting, These are all the same things.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're known by different names, but under the
Speaker 1: hood is all the same thing. That's essentially, say the
Speaker 1: case with my daughter falling down the staircase unknowingly, when
Speaker 1: I was doing this mental exercising mental exercise, every time
Speaker 1: I escorted her up and downstairs, I was essentially creating
Speaker 1: that future event and causing it to happen unknowningly. I
Speaker 1: know if I had known what I was doing, of
Speaker 1: course I wouldn't have. The last thing I want to
Speaker 1: do is, of course, hurt my daughter. And my whole
Speaker 1: goal was to protect my daughter. And that brings up
Speaker 1: another point. So what I also learned with this voice,
Speaker 1: the way it works is it comes across in two ways.
Speaker 1: It would come across as information or to come across
Speaker 1: as a command for a demand. So in the case
Speaker 1: of my UFO encounter that night, go to area fifty one,
Speaker 1: that would be a command, whereas with my daughter, for examples,
Speaker 1: that would be information. Your daughter's going to fall down
Speaker 1: the stairs, your daughter's going to get her hands slammed
Speaker 1: in the court. For the reason it comes across in
Speaker 1: two different ways is all dependent on your will. What
Speaker 1: it is you want. So if it comes across as
Speaker 1: a command, is because the outcome is something you want.
Speaker 1: In a case, I wanted to see a UFO, I
Speaker 1: wanted to have post encounter, so it came across as
Speaker 1: a command because the outcome was something I had sought
Speaker 1: and desired, So it was fulfilling my will that way.
Speaker 1: In the case of my daughter, after the incident of
Speaker 1: her almost choking to death, my goal was to protect her,
Speaker 1: to prevent her from getting injured, to save her, to
Speaker 1: focus being on to save her or the attempt to
Speaker 1: save her. So and that respect, the way it worked
Speaker 1: was the universe kind of saw it as you want
Speaker 1: to try to save your daughter, and put me in
Speaker 1: situations where every time I was trying to save my
Speaker 1: daughter certain danger, danger which eventually I found out wharned
Speaker 1: I was the cause of. So in that case, it
Speaker 1: came across this information because basically it's the outcome is
Speaker 1: something you do not want to happen. You're trying to
Speaker 1: prevent it from happening, So it comes across this information,
Speaker 1: which at that point you take that information and use
Speaker 1: that information to try to stop that event from occurring,
Speaker 1: and only find out that it's self fulfilling, bringing you
Speaker 1: back to the bootstrap paradox. So that and a large
Speaker 1: part is, you know, what I spent my time doing
Speaker 1: after the last accident and deviating more from the whole
Speaker 1: UFO subject and getting warranto and recognition, retropasality, synchronicity and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, was trying to better understand what
Speaker 1: that all means and implies and working out a system
Speaker 1: for how that works and what that means for basically reality.
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Speaker 4: The interesting thing with your account is it isn't the
Speaker 4: UFO that you witnessed. It's his voice. And this is
Speaker 4: quite evidently something that we all have all we've all
Speaker 4: experienced the phone call from a friend that we haven't
Speaker 4: spoke to in years, we've all heard that song come
Speaker 4: on the radio that we were just thinking about that
Speaker 4: this would suggest things are supposed to happen. In the
Speaker 4: case of your daughter when she called a hand in
Speaker 4: the car, if it wasn't for you being overly concerned
Speaker 4: she was going to hurt herself. You kind of set
Speaker 4: the stage for it to happen. You were telling your
Speaker 4: son to shut the door. Thus she then catches her
Speaker 4: hand in it.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, So that was what really struggled when when
Speaker 1: I had those accidents with the daughter. That was really
Speaker 1: when it struck calm that something's just not right, that
Speaker 1: there's a lot more behind this voice than just the
Speaker 1: simple concept of precognition. That it's not just knowing what
Speaker 1: the future is, it's causing that future. Because if it
Speaker 1: hadn't been for the voice, it would have never happened,
Speaker 1: would never even occurred. The voice, I realized, was programming
Speaker 1: these events to happen. But then I had to figure out, well,
Speaker 1: why why would his voice be doing that? Why would
Speaker 1: it put my daughter in danger? And I realized, you know,
Speaker 1: after that accident with my daughter, that you know, my
Speaker 1: whole mindset was I got to save my daughter. I
Speaker 1: was in that kind of save my daughter mentality. So naturally,
Speaker 1: this voice thought, that's what I want, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to be put in these situations where I'd tried
Speaker 1: to save my daughter from some kind of accidents or
Speaker 1: catastrophe that's going to happen to it. I realized then
Speaker 1: too that you know, we grow up, we go to
Speaker 1: grade school and all that we're taught that there's the
Speaker 1: materialistic world around us, and then there's an internal one
Speaker 1: in our mind, you know, our consciousness, and there are
Speaker 1: two different things, and there's no connection between the two.
Speaker 1: Your mind has no influence or control over the materialistic
Speaker 1: world around you. And I've learned that there's absolutely no
Speaker 1: truth to that at all. But certainly the mind and
Speaker 1: plays a big part and what we experience in the
Speaker 1: world around us, and in the end, maybe everything. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of experiences I had in my childhood
Speaker 1: where I encountered the angel, the dog man or a
Speaker 1: werewolf onto a case. I don't know if you're familiar
Speaker 1: with false awakenings. So my first encounter was when I
Speaker 1: was seven years old with this false awakening, and I
Speaker 1: had woke up. I said, I was seven, I was
Speaker 1: going to go to the bathroom, get a drink of water.
Speaker 1: Middle nights shared a bunk bed with my brother, shared
Speaker 1: a room, so I was on the top bunk. I'm
Speaker 1: climbing down the bump about the walk across the room
Speaker 1: towards the door, and I felt this really uneasy, really
Speaker 1: just scared us out of you, kind of feeling like
Speaker 1: something is really really wrong. I look out our window
Speaker 1: and we had these like white sheer curtains on our
Speaker 1: bedroom window that you can mostly see through. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't see everything, but you can get a good,
Speaker 1: good idea through these sheer curtains what you're looking at.
Speaker 1: And of course it goes to our backguard. But off
Speaker 1: of the distance in the backyard, I see these red
Speaker 1: lights in the backyard and I'm thinking, oh shit, you know,
Speaker 1: there's someone in our backguard with these red flashlights, Like
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? And I'm thinking, I need
Speaker 1: to go wake up my parents and tell them there's someone,
Speaker 1: you know, in our yard. They might try to break
Speaker 1: in the house. So I see the lights there. You know,
Speaker 1: we're in the back corner of our backguard. They're approaching
Speaker 1: the house and they disappear out of you. So I
Speaker 1: finished walking across the bedroom, put my hand on the
Speaker 1: doorknob and about to leave the room, when I stopped
Speaker 1: because then I got a really really freaked out, uneasy building,
Speaker 1: like something was really really wrong. And facing the door,
Speaker 1: one hand on the doorknob, turn my head over my shoulder,
Speaker 1: and I see this big silhouette. We had a humongous
Speaker 1: like street light kind of on the back end of
Speaker 1: our driveway that would illuminate the whole backyard, and it
Speaker 1: shines into our bedroom. So tall ass dark silhouettes starts
Speaker 1: shining against our window. And I realized then that these
Speaker 1: weren't like red flashlights. But there was red eyes and
Speaker 1: this tall creature and it had a silhouette of like
Speaker 1: a dog, and it had these two eyes or almond shape,
Speaker 1: glowing blood red and glowing enough that the eyes put
Speaker 1: out its own lights.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The red light was like illuminating our room. It was
Speaker 1: like walking past our room, and it stopped and it
Speaker 1: glanced inside the room. And I'm, you know, crapping myself
Speaker 1: at this point because the thing is like looking in
Speaker 1: the room. I'm trying not to breathe, I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to do anything. I'm freaking out. What the hell is
Speaker 1: this thing? So I have no clue what the thing is.
Speaker 1: They glanced in, it turns away, and then it starts
Speaker 1: walking past the window. I'm thinking, wow, you know I'm safe.
Speaker 1: But I let out a sigh of relief, and I
Speaker 1: turned my attention back towards the door because I'm about
Speaker 1: to open that door and run my ass off to
Speaker 1: my parents, waking the hell up as fast as I can.
Speaker 1: And before I can even do that, I heard this
Speaker 1: large crashing noise the blacks. You know, it's our window exploded.
Speaker 1: I turn around and that thing is standing in our room,
Speaker 1: right in front of the window. It's basically like a
Speaker 1: big ass wolf dog, you know, standing on his hind
Speaker 1: legs big guess now, big guss sharp teeth, these shumongous,
Speaker 1: like said almond shaped, red blowing blood eyes. It's just
Speaker 1: standing there staring at me. And the feeling I had
Speaker 1: with this thing is like evil. I mean, if evil
Speaker 1: can be palpable, if you can feel it, if you
Speaker 1: can if it was so thick you can cut it
Speaker 1: in the air night. I've never felt anything in my
Speaker 1: life as more evil as whatever this thing was. It's
Speaker 1: just the scariest, freaking killing you've ever had. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would be like, you know, Hitler would probably feel
Speaker 1: like a walking apart compared to this thing. This thing
Speaker 1: just you know, was just reeks of it like that
Speaker 1: that were possible. And his eyes when it looks at you,
Speaker 1: it looks it's not looking at you. It's like it's
Speaker 1: looking in you, looking through you. It's like it can
Speaker 1: peer right into your soul. It's just standing there. And
Speaker 1: so it slowly creeps towards me, and I'm paralyzed at
Speaker 1: this wall point. I can't move, I can't scream. I'm
Speaker 1: screaming inside my head. Mom, Dad, Mom, dad, you know,
Speaker 1: but nothing's coming out, not, you know, nothing at all.
Speaker 1: Watching this thing take its time walking across, you know,
Speaker 1: like towards me, and it finally gets right in my
Speaker 1: face and it hunches over and it tilts his head
Speaker 1: to one side, and it opens its snout and it
Speaker 1: puts his head. It never touches me, but he kind
Speaker 1: of places this nowt where you know, it's on either
Speaker 1: side of my head, and then he slowly closes his
Speaker 1: mouth on my head. And at that moment, whom I
Speaker 1: find myself back to bed, same situation as before.
Speaker 2: And what was the.
Speaker 1: Weirdest when I woke up. When I first woke up,
Speaker 1: before getting off the bed to go have a drink
Speaker 1: of water, I woke up in a fetal position instantly,
Speaker 1: like you woke up and you instantly assumed the fetal position,
Speaker 1: like like a memory reflux. So that happened, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to eat the situation, this encounter, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, and then I find myself back
Speaker 1: in bed instantly. I had no idea what thing was.
Speaker 1: I nicknamed it the dog me because it looked like
Speaker 1: you know, I walked like a man and it looked
Speaker 1: like a dog. I had no idea what it was.
Speaker 1: This was would have been around nineteen eighty. You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of like kids today was
Speaker 1: exposure to the internet, Google everything else you got hans on.
Speaker 1: You know, you only had a couple of TV channels
Speaker 1: back then. I didn't have a lot of exposure in
Speaker 1: My parents sheltered me from scary stuff. So no really
Speaker 1: idea of really what this thing was. And I didn't
Speaker 1: tell anyone about it about that night because I was
Speaker 1: so scared of this thing that I was afraid just
Speaker 1: mentioning it would bring back its wrath would agree and
Speaker 1: would be like an invitation of asking him back, so
Speaker 1: I was scared to even speak his name. The weird
Speaker 1: thing happened was shortly after that night with this or
Speaker 1: whatever you know, this dog man, when I had got
Speaker 1: off the bed and I looked in the backyard and
Speaker 1: I saw those eyes, which I thought at the time
Speaker 1: of flashlights. It was standing next to a tree. And
Speaker 1: a couple of months later, one morning, I woke up
Speaker 1: in this pitch dark room and I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I know it's day. I know I woke up this morning,
Speaker 1: so it must be a you know, stormy outside. It
Speaker 1: must be a good overcast when me get a good
Speaker 1: rainy day, which for me I loved because we had
Speaker 1: this creek that ran in out backyard and as kids,
Speaker 1: we'd play in his creek. So I go throw up
Speaker 1: in the curtains and our view is completely blocked by
Speaker 1: all this foliage, and I realized I'm staring at a tree.
Speaker 1: It's completely covered, pressed up against our bedroom window, Like
Speaker 1: what the hell? And I run and tell my parents
Speaker 1: there's a tree up against our window. We go in
Speaker 1: the backyard and sure enough, the tree had came down
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night in our backyard, which
Speaker 1: was really weird because no one woke up. No one
Speaker 1: had You would think if a tree falls down and
Speaker 1: hits the house in the middle of the night, you know,
Speaker 1: it would draw some kind of attention. But none of
Speaker 1: us had any clue. We go in the backyard and
Speaker 1: sure enough, I said, their tree had fallen down, not
Speaker 1: just a tree, but that tree, that tree that that
Speaker 1: thing was standing next to, and it snapped at the
Speaker 1: base of this tree. It wasn't like it was. There
Speaker 1: was no storm that night, it wasn't windy, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't struck by lightning. It wasn't blown over by a tree.
Speaker 1: It wasn't cut down. There's no axe, no chainsaw something
Speaker 1: and snapped it right at the base. It was just splintered,
Speaker 1: like it just grabbed it and just ripped it right
Speaker 1: at the base. And the tree the way it fell,
Speaker 1: and it hadn't been any taller, it would have came
Speaker 1: in right on top of me because it was pointing
Speaker 1: directly at me. So if it had been tall enough,
Speaker 1: it would have come down on our roof, right over
Speaker 1: my bunk.
Speaker 2: That you know.
Speaker 1: Thankfully it wasn't. But yeah, I still didn't say anything
Speaker 1: for my parents at the time because that, you know,
Speaker 1: that still freaked me and the only thing on my
Speaker 1: mind was that's the tree, you know, that's that's the
Speaker 1: tree was standing next to. And you know, it scared
Speaker 1: me even more because now I'm thinking, whatever that thing was,
Speaker 1: it had something to do with that tree, and there
Speaker 1: was no explanation. You know, it wasn't like or termites
Speaker 1: anything like that was the way the base of that
Speaker 1: tree was broke. It splintered like something just like you
Speaker 1: break a toothpick. So you know, the dad cut it up.
Speaker 1: We used that as fire wood. We had a fireplace,
Speaker 1: got a plenty of firewoks for a long time for that,
Speaker 1: and I was scared shitles was for a long time
Speaker 1: after that happened because anytime I was outside at night
Speaker 1: and the dark, I was always on the alert for
Speaker 1: those eyes in the dark, you know, always waiting for
Speaker 1: that thing to come back. And eventually it did many
Speaker 1: years later, when I was twelve years old. We lived
Speaker 1: in Germany at the time, and again I was still
Speaker 1: sharing a bunk bed bedroom with my brother. We had
Speaker 1: like a three story house, you know, a two story
Speaker 1: house with the basement base. So I woke up again.
Speaker 1: I was decided I was going to go down to
Speaker 1: the main floor to the kitchen, get a glass of water,
Speaker 1: wake up, leave the room, walk down the staircase as again.
Speaker 1: Come down the staircase. The hallway is lit up, and
Speaker 1: the way the German houses were built, everything's cloth off,
Speaker 1: so that stair the staircase, going from the top of
Speaker 1: the bottom, it is like a room. And myself and
Speaker 1: our living room had a glass door, and I can
Speaker 1: tell the TV was on because it was illuminating the
Speaker 1: hallway on the main floor. So realize my dad must
Speaker 1: have slept on the couch that night watching TV. Get
Speaker 1: the main floor landing and get to the dining room door,
Speaker 1: which was directly in front of the staircase, put my
Speaker 1: hand on the door knob, and then I was suddenly
Speaker 1: just overtaken with that. Just horrid, something wrong, something evil,
Speaker 1: filling just that worst got off the filling. It didn't
Speaker 1: click right away. But I turned around and looking towards
Speaker 1: the basement. You know, it's a staircase of stacks. I
Speaker 1: can see kind of the stairs leading down to the basement,
Speaker 1: but I can't see the basement, but I can see
Speaker 1: this red glow coming out of the basement, and the
Speaker 1: blow is brighter and brighter until its head pops up
Speaker 1: just above the landing on the main floor and I
Speaker 1: see those two red almond shaped blood eyes. But again,
Speaker 1: and I freak fail out again, instantly paralyzed with just fear,
Speaker 1: you know, essentially like before, this thing just takes its time,
Speaker 1: walks up the stairs, walks over towards me, tilts his head,
Speaker 1: kind of crouches over, hunches over and puts my head
Speaker 1: right on the snout and then boom. I wake up
Speaker 1: back in bed in the feeder position, both times in
Speaker 1: the feeder position. After that I was in art class.
Speaker 1: I decided to draw a life size replica of this creature,
Speaker 1: full full scale, you know, life size, with as much
Speaker 1: detail as I could, and I hung it up on
Speaker 1: our bedroom door in our room. I didn't tell anyone why,
Speaker 1: you know, my brother, my parents, they all thought it
Speaker 1: was weird because you know, I just draw. Oh I
Speaker 1: should mention. By then I knew it was a werewood.
Speaker 1: A couple of years prior, we had got cable HBO,
Speaker 1: and I saw a commercial on HBO for a movie
Speaker 1: called an American Werewolf in London. And when I saw
Speaker 1: the previews. It scared, you know, scared of hell out
Speaker 1: of me because what I saw was exactly like this creature,
Speaker 1: with the exception of the odds. So you know, I
Speaker 1: knew by then the second encounter the scene better known
Speaker 1: as a were whoop. But anyway, I had recreated it
Speaker 1: full size and hung it up on our doors, trying
Speaker 1: to face my fears of this creature because I figured
Speaker 1: there would be times and there war where I woke
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and you're kind
Speaker 1: of half asleep. I would glance over, I can see
Speaker 1: it on the back door, and I forget that I
Speaker 1: drew it, and I would think it was there for me. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's nothing. I made it. It was
Speaker 1: a drawing. It's not real, it doesn't exist. And that
Speaker 1: was That was the second encounter with the same There
Speaker 1: was a third experience, where as I mentioned when I
Speaker 1: started hearing these voices, these retro causal experiences between the
Speaker 1: second and third, so before the softball game, but after
Speaker 1: the arcade thing, when I cleaned up my act and
Speaker 1: changed my life's direction because I was really in a
Speaker 1: bad shape at that time. You know, if I had
Speaker 1: continued on the path I was going, but most certainly
Speaker 1: ended up either in prison or dead. I wasn't too
Speaker 1: far off. There were some things I was doing that
Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten into. There were some things I
Speaker 1: was doing at that time where one day I woke
Speaker 1: up a completely different person than I was the day before.
Speaker 1: As if some people called a walk in, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it was a walk in, but certainly I was
Speaker 1: two different people from one day to the next. Shortly
Speaker 1: thereafter I came home, I'd taken a nap because I
Speaker 1: was kind of exhausted taking a nap, shut the door.
Speaker 1: It was still after there, woke up instantly, like the
Speaker 1: other two experiences, straight into a fetal position. The room
Speaker 1: was dark, so I realized the sun had already gone down,
Speaker 1: and my bedroom door was wide open, which it was
Speaker 1: shit when I went to sleep, So someone must have
Speaker 1: opened my door and the hallway light was on, thinking,
Speaker 1: you know what the hell who left the hallwaylight on?
Speaker 1: Who opened my door to tadbait irritated for a moment,
Speaker 1: and then I was a bit surprised because there's this
Speaker 1: woman that I don't recognize standing in my hallway, thinking,
Speaker 1: who the hell is this person and why is she's
Speaker 1: standing in the hallway and why is she looking at me?
Speaker 1: There's this woman. She was all in white, this long
Speaker 1: white lacy dress all the way to the ground, and
Speaker 1: her sleeves all the way to the bottom of her
Speaker 1: hands with like ruffles. Very beautiful, elegant, kind of old fashioned,
Speaker 1: all white dress. And her neck it was a weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: I've never seen dresses like this, But they had a
Speaker 1: neck piece, so that dress continued all the way up
Speaker 1: to the base of her head, so you didn't even
Speaker 1: see her neck. The only visible skin was her hands
Speaker 1: and her head.
Speaker 6: That was it.
Speaker 1: And kind of a pale complexion. Blue eyes as blue
Speaker 1: as could be, and she had curly blonde hair, long
Speaker 1: curly blond hair. She was like beautiful woman I have
Speaker 1: ever thing in my whole life. I mean, there there's
Speaker 1: no comparison with like even supermodels. I mean, her beauty
Speaker 1: was like you could not find any imperfection on her.
Speaker 1: There's nothing, There's just just no way. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was like the very definition of beauty. On top of that,
Speaker 1: she had this glow around her, this white glow, and
Speaker 1: just every inch of her just gave off this white flow.
Speaker 1: I was just mesmerized by her and just totally stune
Speaker 1: by her standing in the hallway, you know, in front
Speaker 1: of my bedroom. Just then I felt like this the thunderbolts,
Speaker 1: kind of like connection to her right straight in the chest,
Speaker 1: like there was some tether between my heart and her hearts.
Speaker 1: Somehow our two hearts formed this lightning bolt tether between them.
Speaker 1: I felt this insane amount of just pure love, like
Speaker 1: love on a scale that doesn't exist on earth. Every
Speaker 1: cell in your body could vibrate and experience love at
Speaker 1: its schoolness. It was before you know, as a parent,
Speaker 1: you love your children, you love them with all your hearts,
Speaker 1: and you can really feel that love deeply. But with her,
Speaker 1: that tethered feeling a doctor at that moment was like
Speaker 1: every cell you could feel, every cell in your body.
Speaker 1: And at the same time that happened, she says, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you. You know, that's all she says, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you. They'll say why. I didn't really understand why.
Speaker 1: Right after that boom, I wake up straight into a
Speaker 1: fetal position. The room is dark, pall waylight is on,
Speaker 1: bedroom doors open, and even though I couldn't see her,
Speaker 1: I could still feel her as if she's still there.
Speaker 1: Those are later learned are called type two false awakenings,
Speaker 1: where you have the dream state. Familiar with that. I'm
Speaker 1: sure plenty of dreams, so you know what the dream
Speaker 1: state is like. You know, it's pretty hoogposh, doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. In fact, you're not even self aware in
Speaker 1: a dream state. You're kind of just there, but you're
Speaker 1: not yourself. It just exists. There's no disconnect between your
Speaker 1: thoughts and what happens in a dream sell In a
Speaker 1: dream state, you think something boom happens. Whereas a false
Speaker 1: awakening is almost like an outer body experience because you
Speaker 1: wake up mentally but not physically, so it's kind of
Speaker 1: like the opposite of sleep walking, where physically you're awake
Speaker 1: up and about moving about. Mentally you're still sleeping. So
Speaker 1: this would be kind of like the opposite of that
Speaker 1: to where physically your body is still asleep, but mentally
Speaker 1: you're up and about. So it's called a false awakening
Speaker 1: because you you go up and about your business. Maybe
Speaker 1: for other people. A type one is where nothing eventful happens. Basically,
Speaker 1: you wake up, go brush your teeth, use the bathroom,
Speaker 1: grab drink water, go about your business and suddenly you
Speaker 1: find yourself back to bed and don't know how you
Speaker 1: got there, waking up again and you swore you were
Speaker 1: just the way I too is where you do that,
Speaker 1: but you have some event happened, some kind of encounter.
Speaker 1: I've talked to other people who've encountered shadow people encountered
Speaker 1: wolfs in their bed. It's a whole nother phenomenon that
Speaker 1: really doesn't get a lot talked about a lot, or
Speaker 1: even looked into a lot. And the people that do
Speaker 1: have these experiences don't talk about them because a lot
Speaker 1: of times they are scary as shit and they don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about them. But it's it's a real thing.
Speaker 1: Also wakening taypoo. So that's what those experiences were, but
Speaker 1: on a deeper level that where wealth exists, that lady
Speaker 1: and white exist. You know, for me, I tend to
Speaker 1: believe on some level they were real. It wasn't. It
Speaker 1: was more than just a dream state. It was more
Speaker 1: like an out of body experience. But so you had
Speaker 1: that to do with as well. So when you know,
Speaker 1: I was coping with the whole Black trianglon account or,
Speaker 1: I did eventually join an alien abduction support group, and
Speaker 1: I lived in Colorado. I wanted to say it was
Speaker 1: Debra Lindeman something like that. Her husband was also wrote
Speaker 1: a book on UFO sixty Points on Ethology or something
Speaker 1: like that. They were pretty well known at the time.
Speaker 1: This was in the early two thousands. I was actually
Speaker 1: a move On field investigator and volunteer at the headquarters
Speaker 1: in Denver under John Schusler at the time, so you know,
Speaker 1: I was pretty involved with it. But anyway, I was
Speaker 1: going to an alien abduction support group trying to better
Speaker 1: understand my experiences, including that Burwell, whether it was as
Speaker 1: we call them, green memory for an actual abduction, which
Speaker 1: eventually I concluded it wasn't. I decided that that wasn't
Speaker 1: an abduction per se, but something else. And I tend
Speaker 1: to think that many times abductions, especially those that happened
Speaker 1: in bedrooms at night when we're sleeping and wake up
Speaker 1: and have the abduction experience and didn't find themselves back
Speaker 1: in bed, may just be more fault awakenings like my own.
Speaker 1: So you can say I've had a lifetime of unusual
Speaker 1: experiences and things happening. Now it's through. The list goes on.
Speaker 1: There's Poulter guys, there's there's so much more.
Speaker 4: Thank you for sharing that showing.
Speaker 1: I would say to the bottom line, you take anything
Speaker 1: away from that retrocausality, because I think that is where
Speaker 1: things are heading. That is going to be the future
Speaker 1: of science, and that is going to be I think,
Speaker 1: what changes our perspective on reality and how we approach
Speaker 1: and deal with the waking world, so to speak. Well,
Speaker 1: so I talked about retro causality and how that works
Speaker 1: essentially with the control system and with that pains, so
Speaker 1: the bootstrap paradox. Now, since childhood, I've always been fascinated
Speaker 1: with time travel. My first time travel movie was Somewhere
Speaker 1: in Time with Christopher Reeve, which was a love story,
Speaker 1: and how I think time travels more work is because
Speaker 1: he kind of mentally put himself back in time. He
Speaker 1: fell in love with a picture of an actress that
Speaker 1: was hanging in the hallway. If you've never seen a
Speaker 1: movie as a great time travel movie. But that was
Speaker 1: my first time travel movie. And then of course Back
Speaker 1: to the Future came out with my teens and I
Speaker 1: just really loved it. I think what really fascinated me
Speaker 1: most about time travel was not the idea of going
Speaker 1: back in time, so we're going into the future and
Speaker 1: learning things. For me, what fascinated me most was what
Speaker 1: happens to you tried to change that would alter events.
Speaker 1: That really fascinated me the most about time travel is
Speaker 1: the paradoxical nature of time travel, like going back in
Speaker 1: time and killing Hitler. You know, if you were to
Speaker 1: travel back in time and kill ad Off Hitler, sure
Speaker 1: you could change the future. But the problem is Hitler
Speaker 1: never existed. How would you even know to go back
Speaker 1: in time to kill them. Not only that, if you
Speaker 1: can't go back in time and kill Hitler on purpose,
Speaker 1: you can't even do it by accident. It's not like
Speaker 1: you can travel back in time and accidentally, whoops, I
Speaker 1: kill Hitler, you know, So that would be to say
Speaker 1: that there are no accidents. Accidents would have to be programmed.
Speaker 1: And if you could go back and actually kill Hitler, actually,
Speaker 1: you know, eliminate the problem and change the future. Whose
Speaker 1: future did you change? Everyone's are just yours. So with
Speaker 1: retro causality, let's say at any given moment, you have
Speaker 1: a potential future event that could happen. Now, most future
Speaker 1: events are just not going to happen, like you know,
Speaker 1: chances of me becoming president of the United States by
Speaker 1: tomorrow is pretty much zero. It is zero. It is zero,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of things like that that they're
Speaker 1: just not going to happen. Period. I don't care how
Speaker 1: much people wish for if this is simply not going
Speaker 1: to happen. Possible events that could happen, but the things
Speaker 1: that would need to happen or to take place, there
Speaker 1: are the odds are stacked against you, you know, So
Speaker 1: even if I want to be present, there's certainly dodds
Speaker 1: just against me is not going to happen. But with
Speaker 1: the bootstrap paradox, what we're talking about is bringing things
Speaker 1: into existence that wouldn't otherwise happen, And when they do happen,
Speaker 1: the question is what are we dealing with after that.
Speaker 1: In the case of Hitler, you go back in time
Speaker 1: you successfully kill Hitler, which on your own timeline, you
Speaker 1: know Hitler had lived, you know, and did all the atrocities,
Speaker 1: but somehow you went back in time and kill them.
Speaker 1: So that would be to mean that Ii'm probably diverged
Speaker 1: right at that moment, and you probably exist now on
Speaker 1: a different timeline, and that future you travel to is
Speaker 1: now a diverged timeline when a one you came off
Speaker 1: with retro causo events, we might be looking at the
Speaker 1: same thing because where you have information is seemingly a
Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy or circle, a time loop where a
Speaker 1: potential future event feeds information into the ask and then
Speaker 1: causes that future events to happen like a covered So
Speaker 1: are you still in that same timeline when you come
Speaker 1: out of it, or you know, in a different timeline.
Speaker 1: That's one problem, you know, part of the nature of
Speaker 1: that control system is to make sure my choris there's
Speaker 1: no paradoxes, you don't do anything that would essentially break
Speaker 1: the universe, not that you could. And that is what
Speaker 1: science right now is really working towards, is trying to
Speaker 1: solve the whole question of retrocausality and what that means
Speaker 1: for our reality or experience with it. So with the
Speaker 1: bootstrap paradox, if you enough a certainly look it up
Speaker 1: and there's a number of different names for it, but
Speaker 1: what a bootstrap paradox is. In the movie Somewhere in Time,
Speaker 1: Christopher Reeves encounters and I forgot her name. In the movie,
Speaker 1: the actress, she's an elderly woman by that time, she
Speaker 1: hands them a watch and she says, come back to me.
Speaker 1: So this watch is very old and whatnot. He hangs
Speaker 1: onto the watch, falls in love with the actress photo
Speaker 1: goes back in time with the watch. When he's there,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, he falls in love as at
Speaker 1: one point he finds a penny in the future and
Speaker 1: totally forgot basically that was there. And by finding that penny,
Speaker 1: he's instantly propelled back into the future, leaving the past
Speaker 1: behind and leaving her behind. And he also happened to
Speaker 1: leave the pocket watch behind, and that happens, and he
Speaker 1: becomes depressed and whatnot and eventually dies. But the pocket
Speaker 1: watch was the curious thing because this pocket watch has
Speaker 1: no beginning and it has no end, as a bootstrap paradox,
Speaker 1: So where did the pocket watch him Because you know,
Speaker 1: in the future she gives it to him, he travels
Speaker 1: back in time gives it to her. So this pocket
Speaker 1: watch basically exists in this loop where it has neither
Speaker 1: a beginning nor an end, which is, as we believe,
Speaker 1: is impossible because part of watch had to come from somewhere, right,
Speaker 1: you know, someone had to mine the metals, and someone
Speaker 1: had to bring it all together and engineer and craft
Speaker 1: that pocket watch for it to come into our reality
Speaker 1: and exist, and yet it exists about either at the
Speaker 1: beginning or an end. And that's a bootsbat paradox. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what retro cause out is because we
Speaker 1: have basically information coming into our reality from you know where,
Speaker 1: causing these time loops.
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Speaker 1: So I began looking for other examples if my theory
Speaker 1: was bragged, other examples that might support this idea, and
Speaker 1: oddly enough, I found several examples in the Bible, particular
Speaker 1: in the case of Jesus Christ, who essentially I was
Speaker 1: led to believe based on my research, as a perfect
Speaker 1: example of the Boospat paradox. Often with the UFO community,
Speaker 1: we like to believe that Jesus was essentially maybe an
Speaker 1: alien hybrid Mary was impregnated by aliens. Therefore, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole immaculate conception idea, and that when he died,
Speaker 1: essentially they abducted his body or whatever, and you know,
Speaker 1: he went on to be with his alien brothers and
Speaker 1: sisters something to that effect. I'm sure we've all heard that.
Speaker 1: Or then you have the totally religious view on Jesus,
Speaker 1: where of course God was responsible and you know, and
Speaker 1: Jesus was God on earth and therefore he got the
Speaker 1: whole religious explanation for it. But in the case of Jesus,
Speaker 1: his immaculate conception, his disappearance or is basically de materialization
Speaker 1: upon his death after the third day, we have a
Speaker 1: bootstrapped paradox, because we have a case of something that
Speaker 1: comes into existence that has no causal relationship with the world.
Speaker 1: Lied that's all that he didn't have a father per se,
Speaker 1: that impregnated Mary suddenly becomes pregnant gives birth to him,
Speaker 1: So there is no causal relationship because he wouldn't need
Speaker 1: both father and mother. Then when he died, his body
Speaker 1: de materialized, and so I later realized that the body
Speaker 1: demterialized is because the bootstrapped paradox. It can't exist beyond
Speaker 1: the time of time frame exists in a physical object
Speaker 1: that's created through the boostrap paradox has a window that
Speaker 1: it must exist and it cannot exist outside that end.
Speaker 1: So you have the conception and then you have rising
Speaker 1: from the dead. When this body the materialized, and like
Speaker 1: the shroud of Turin, you know that many believe shows
Speaker 1: the image of Jesus on it, and you know, many
Speaker 1: people believe it's fake. Many people believe it's real. I
Speaker 1: suspect if it's real. The reason the image was created
Speaker 1: the way it was is because we're talking about the
Speaker 1: same amount of energy necessary to send someone through time
Speaker 1: travel space time that caused that image to occur. So
Speaker 1: the three days, why was it three days? Take my
Speaker 1: daughter's accident for example, it happened three times in a row,
Speaker 1: unlike unlike the other experiences I had with the voice
Speaker 1: with my daughter, that mental exercise I had that triggered
Speaker 1: off the first episode in a manifesting. It was something
Speaker 1: I was so mentally focused on. There's so much attention
Speaker 1: and energy that I think it's kind of like an
Speaker 1: oscillation that when these events, when these causal events happen,
Speaker 1: retrocausal events happen, it's possible to produce three of them
Speaker 1: at a time when you're that focused. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like an oscillation of the time and the other interviews.
Speaker 1: I've used the AC you're a home AC as an example,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you use an AC. When you
Speaker 1: set your AC, you're actually programming a future event. If
Speaker 1: you think about it that way. You know your house
Speaker 1: is seventy five degrees, you set the thermostat to seventy two.
Speaker 1: The thermostat is measuring the temperature in your house. There's
Speaker 1: an air created because it recognizes that the house is
Speaker 1: seventy five. You went at seventy two. Therefore as an
Speaker 1: air signal, which then triggers the control signal, which entails
Speaker 1: it to turn on and pull off the house. But
Speaker 1: the house is not seventy two right away. It's when
Speaker 1: it takes some time, So it's a future event. It's
Speaker 1: going to occur until it reaches that seventy two tempt.
Speaker 1: In that sense, you can think about the control system
Speaker 1: that way, program in the future event if it overshoots.
Speaker 1: Let's say it goes past seventy two and it hits seventy.
Speaker 1: Now the heater turns on, try to heat it back
Speaker 1: to seventy two, but it goes past it and maybe
Speaker 1: it hits seventy four. So now the ac goes back
Speaker 1: on cools it all overshoots it because the seventy one,
Speaker 1: and it kind of shoots back and forth until finally
Speaker 1: it nails it at seventy two. So I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of what we're dealing with. The case of three
Speaker 1: is the event was so focused that it kind of
Speaker 1: osculates back and forth and causes the event to happen
Speaker 1: over and over and over. So in the case of
Speaker 1: my daughter, it happened three times. In the case of
Speaker 1: Jesus three days, he was dead for three day. You
Speaker 1: can't die three times, so he was dead for three days.
Speaker 1: In the case of Peter at night, where he denied
Speaker 1: ice three times, it was again repeating the same events
Speaker 1: three times that night eat tonight Christ. So again I
Speaker 1: think we're looking at a bootstrapped paradox. But in this case,
Speaker 1: the the control signal came from Jesus himself, who basically
Speaker 1: says before the night before the rooster pros in the morning. Essentially,
Speaker 1: you're going to deny me three times, So the air
Speaker 1: signal came from him, and I suspect there's reasons for that.
Speaker 1: I won't even bother going into. But I think there's
Speaker 1: plenty of evidence out there that we're dealing with retro
Speaker 1: causality and numerous situations in which we never knew they
Speaker 1: even consider it look for. I had no idea what
Speaker 1: to look for or what question is to ask. There
Speaker 1: was a case in Colorado many years ago, someone winning
Speaker 1: the lottery not just once, three times and a short window.
Speaker 1: I think it was like a one month maybe a
Speaker 1: two month window. It hit the lottery three times, one
Speaker 1: crazy amount of money. I mean once most people is
Speaker 1: a lifetime, but this person did a three times. I
Speaker 1: think there's cases out there where we're dealing with retro
Speaker 1: causality and bootstrap paradoxes, and we're still at that new
Speaker 1: frontier right at the front door of it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: should mention before I forget. The reason it comes across
Speaker 1: as a voice is because you're actually going to see
Speaker 1: it with your eyes fold. So every time I heard
Speaker 1: the voice, I actually physically watched it unfold with my
Speaker 1: eyes except for that last accident with my daughter when
Speaker 1: it came across as a vision, because that was the
Speaker 1: only time I didn't actually see it happen. I heard it,
Speaker 1: so I can hear my daughter screaming when she got
Speaker 1: kicked in the head, but I didn't actually get to
Speaker 1: see it happen unfold, so I came across as a
Speaker 1: vision instead. That was one of the connections I made there,
Speaker 1: between why a vision and why a voice? So that
Speaker 1: night with the UFO was essentially I manifested it. The
Speaker 1: voice was just a retrocausal event, a control signal, just
Speaker 1: fulfilling what it is I wanted to happen I will,
Speaker 1: which eventually led to that encounter with the triangle. The
Speaker 1: triangle was military, and whoever was on the receiving end
Speaker 1: was more than obligated to fulfill my wish and put
Speaker 1: that triangle out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the voice that you heard, was it in your
Speaker 4: own voice or was it someone else's voice?
Speaker 1: It was pretty much my own voice. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: you heard someone else's. It's like your own voice in
Speaker 1: your head, so it doesn't come across as like some strength.
Speaker 1: Well except for one occasion which I didn't even talk
Speaker 1: about there was one time I heard a voice where
Speaker 1: it was not my own. So right after that third
Speaker 1: accident with my daughter, my oldest son at that age
Speaker 1: was really in a Dinosaurus. This was when Disney had
Speaker 1: released that kind of Pixar kind of animated movie. We
Speaker 1: loved dinosaurs, really wanted to go see this movie. So
Speaker 1: we waited probably a month or two after it was
Speaker 1: released theaters to take the boys out on a Sunday
Speaker 1: to go see it. And take the boys. We get
Speaker 1: in the car about to start the car, and I
Speaker 1: heard a voice. Now, the weird thing about this one
Speaker 1: is every time I heard a voice, I always had
Speaker 1: that physical sensation in my gut. This time I did
Speaker 1: not strictly a voice, and a voice did not sound
Speaker 1: like my own. But the voice was scary as freaking hell.
Speaker 1: It sounded demonic. It sounded like, you know, as if
Speaker 1: Satan were talking to you. And it said, do not
Speaker 1: look at the clock, very stern, very mean, angry, do
Speaker 1: not look at the clock. And it's scared to live
Speaker 1: in hell out of me. And my car had that
Speaker 1: clock in a dashboard, so I didn't want to freak
Speaker 1: out my boys. I'd already planned on taking them to
Speaker 1: the theater. So I just, you know, stayed calm, try
Speaker 1: not to put too much into it. Just don't look
Speaker 1: at the clock. So as a quarter to eleven, the
Speaker 1: movie was starting at eleven fifteen, there's plenty of time
Speaker 1: to drive to get to the theater, you know, get
Speaker 1: to see get our snacks and all that before the
Speaker 1: movie started. Get on the road, Get on the freeway,
Speaker 1: drive there. The whole time, I've kept my eyes on
Speaker 1: that road directly in front, refusing and look at the
Speaker 1: clock anywhere near the clock, because I was actually terrified
Speaker 1: what might happen if I looked like I had no
Speaker 1: idea what would happen. But I was all I knew
Speaker 1: is just don't look at it. And I'm scared to
Speaker 1: find out what happens if I do. So I don't.
Speaker 1: We get to the movie theater, move up to the
Speaker 1: cash here, and I tell her, you know, I need
Speaker 1: one adult, two child tickets for eleven fifteen showing a dinosaur,
Speaker 1: and she gives me just just look like I was
Speaker 1: just the most idiotic customer to ever walk up through
Speaker 1: the counter. I like what it's like, Well, I mean
Speaker 1: that movie's almost over with. I can you know if
Speaker 1: you hurry, you can still catch the twelve fifteen showing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: twelve twenty. Look at the clock and the talk on
Speaker 1: the wall in the back, you know it's twelve twenty.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so I buy the ticket because we're already there.
Speaker 1: But I'm freaking out because I'm like, there's no way.
Speaker 1: I just spent you know, basically an hour and a
Speaker 1: half on the road driving to the theater down street,
Speaker 1: essentially on my end of town. It's like a twenty
Speaker 1: minute drive tops, and yet it took me an hour
Speaker 1: and a half to get there. So we go in,
Speaker 1: We get our popcorn, drinks, get into the theater, sit down,
Speaker 1: lights are out. My son begins immediately freaking out, just
Speaker 1: would not stop wailing at the top of his lungs,
Speaker 1: crying and freaking out. And he was the one who
Speaker 1: wanted to see this movie badly, and we've been to
Speaker 1: movies before. He's never had a problem in going to
Speaker 1: the movie theater or being in the dark. And I
Speaker 1: could not get him under control. I couldn't get him
Speaker 1: to stop crying. I was freaking out because I didn't
Speaker 1: know what happened to the last hour and a half.
Speaker 1: We just left. You know, we were there for maybe
Speaker 1: ten minutes. I turn around and we just left out
Speaker 1: in the car, went back home. By the time we
Speaker 1: got home, it was almost one o'clock. Walking the door,
Speaker 1: my wife has asked me, so, how was the movie?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, we didn't even see the movie. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: She's like, well, where have you been all this time?
Speaker 1: It's like, that's what I would like to know. I
Speaker 1: have no clue, And I basically told her what happened,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's just that was the one time I
Speaker 1: heard the voice where it didn't sound like my own,
Speaker 1: and it's Scardell and my son.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The wife tried taking them, my mother tried taking them.
Speaker 1: I've tried taking them. We've tried taking them to that
Speaker 1: movie theater a couple times after that to go see
Speaker 1: that movie, and every time he threw a fit in
Speaker 1: that theater. I don't know if his if his throwing
Speaker 1: that fit wasn't anyhow related to the whole missing time
Speaker 1: experience and whatever happened in that hour and a half,
Speaker 1: But eventually he was able to finally calm down enough
Speaker 1: to see the movie in the theater. But for me,
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of the missing time episodes
Speaker 1: I had. I just didn't really have a good explanation for.
Speaker 1: The only thing I came up with was at the time,
Speaker 1: this was the same time I was going to the
Speaker 1: alien induction support group. I thought that maybe subconsciously, somehow
Speaker 1: I had produced the events and created the missing time
Speaker 1: episode unconsciously and somehow manipulated time itself. As crazy as
Speaker 1: that sounds, even though missing time itself is not necessarily
Speaker 1: always related to say, abductions, that actually happens quite often,
Speaker 1: and there's a number of people who report you know,
Speaker 1: missing time per see but don't have any interest experience
Speaker 1: with UFOs and that sort of thing, whether or not
Speaker 1: they're abducted, you know, who knows, but it's not something
Speaker 1: that's totally just restricted to the abduction phenomenon. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's to answer your question, ask a one time, All.
Speaker 4: The accounts and the guests I've had on over the years,
Speaker 4: you know, nothing has been off the table. Everything that
Speaker 4: you share tonight is going to give people food for thought,
Speaker 4: because obviously you've put a lot of research and a
Speaker 4: lot of thought into all this.
Speaker 1: Definitely I mean, you know, fifty one now, and you
Speaker 1: know I've been doing with this a whole lot of
Speaker 1: forty plus years since that first encounter with that dog man,
Speaker 1: where well, a lot of time to research and try
Speaker 1: to come to some kind of conclusion. It's one thing
Speaker 1: when I'm reading other people's experiences because I'm not in
Speaker 1: her head. You know, I can't. I wasn't there. I
Speaker 1: wasn't in her head. You know, I believe them, they're
Speaker 1: they're genuine there since here, something really happened, but I
Speaker 1: can't piece it, you know, an answer together based on that,
Speaker 1: Whereas my own experiences, that's what I have to work with.
Speaker 1: And I know, you know my thoughts, I know what
Speaker 1: led up to it, what came after it, the whole
Speaker 1: you know, everything, the whole boodle. So for me, it's
Speaker 1: seemed best to focus my time on trying to better
Speaker 1: understand many of the things that happened to me and
Speaker 1: try to come to conclusions that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the way I look at it. Your
Speaker 4: family were in the Air Force, you were an Air
Speaker 4: Force child. Is it possible that anything could be related
Speaker 4: to that one thing you do here? And you know
Speaker 4: this from being in the support groups that a lot
Speaker 4: of abductees would have members of their family in the military.
Speaker 4: Now it's given that a lot of people, for a
Speaker 4: certain generation, their parents would have been pretty much all
Speaker 4: of them would have been in the military at one point.
Speaker 4: Have you ever thought that maybe there could there could
Speaker 4: be a connection in some fashion.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's out in the left field.
Speaker 1: Of course, most of what I said probably is most people.
Speaker 1: But so I was born in Biloxi, Mississippi, at Kesler
Speaker 1: Air Force Base or Tessler Air Force Base, and certainly,
Speaker 1: I mean it's crossed my mind a couple of times
Speaker 1: that being born at a military hospital, if they wanted
Speaker 1: to conduct experiments on infants, they want to see how
Speaker 1: these people developer grow up, it's entirely possible. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't put anything past the government experimentation. Certainly, whether
Speaker 1: that's the case, I have no idea whether that would
Speaker 1: be possible or I would be one of those people.
Speaker 1: Always struck me too. At the same time I was
Speaker 1: born as when that big seventy three UFO flap was
Speaker 1: happening in that area, you know, not far from me,
Speaker 1: Or I was born the military connection, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know certainly I would say the military plays a
Speaker 1: role and know UFO to cover up without a doubt.
Speaker 1: You know, they of course deny it to this day.
Speaker 1: But based on what I saw that certainly it was
Speaker 1: nothing alien. So someone had to build that damn thing.
Speaker 1: Someone had to pay for it, engineer it, invent it,
Speaker 1: guard its constructed. Whatever's there's somewhere out there, very interesting.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you. You know, it's an opportunity,
Speaker 1: of course, to tell my story and get some new
Speaker 1: ideas out there. I think, I think we kind of
Speaker 1: get stuck in the mud a lot of times with
Speaker 1: our way of thinking, and I can't think outside that box.
Speaker 1: We get stuck in a lot of times. And as
Speaker 1: like I said with my UFO counter, everyone gets stuck
Speaker 1: in that box. So obviously, you know you heard a
Speaker 1: voice must be aliens, and you know, and the craft
Speaker 1: must be Aliens, and that's it. It's always been this way,
Speaker 1: it's always going to be. But I'm certainly what I
Speaker 1: have to disagree a lot on that idea. You know,
Speaker 1: I was there, you know, I know how I thought,
Speaker 1: you know what I was thinking, and everything are let
Speaker 1: up to do and followed it and all that so
Speaker 1: I think reality is far far stranger then we can
Speaker 1: even begin to think it is. I think that's what
Speaker 1: we're going to find out, and I think to cover up.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that people can't handle the existence
Speaker 1: of UFOs. I think it's people can't handle the reality
Speaker 1: of what reality really is. I think that's probably they
Speaker 1: know more about what this reality really is. I think
Speaker 1: that's probably more what breaks people hell out.
Speaker 4: Like our reality is that we wake up every day,
Speaker 4: we go to work, we dinner with a wife, you
Speaker 4: spend time with the family. Within some repeating of that's
Speaker 4: our reality, there is quite evidently so much more to
Speaker 4: it that we simply don't understand.
Speaker 1: We're very superstitious, and we usually look for superstitious kind
Speaker 1: of explanations for the way I think happen the way
Speaker 1: they do. Like I said with the voice, that people
Speaker 1: would attribute it to aliens or God, the devil, a ghosts,
Speaker 1: your guardian angel, anything along those lines. So to put
Speaker 1: it out there as a control signal is just a function,
Speaker 1: a computerized, basically cold function of a control system. As
Speaker 1: a different level. For sure, not a lot of people
Speaker 1: take a life into that because it's easier to believe
Speaker 1: in the guardian angel kind of aspect for aliens versus
Speaker 1: something like that. But now that's the conclusion I've reached.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think as humans we try and put things,
Speaker 4: categorize things, and put things in a box. It's that
Speaker 4: with this, I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Well back on synchronicity. There is a synchronicity experience I
Speaker 1: had that really set the tone for my research and
Speaker 1: his relationship with retrocausality, and it helped me kind of
Speaker 1: better understand what it was. Network. So my current wife,
Speaker 1: when we were at first dating, on a road trip
Speaker 1: down to Bisbee, Arizona, the visit with her sister who
Speaker 1: I hadn't met yet and her husband and stayed a
Speaker 1: weekend with them. And we're driving down towards Bisbee Town,
Speaker 1: just east of Tucson. I can't remember the name of
Speaker 1: it at the moment. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We're on
Speaker 1: this highway. The song comes on the radio, well it
Speaker 1: doesn't come on it's uh. It was at the time
Speaker 1: we were still burning music CDs, so she had made
Speaker 1: her own CD mix for the road trip, and you know,
Speaker 1: we were still learning about each other at that early
Speaker 1: dating stage, and it was a song from Kill Bill,
Speaker 1: you know, And I asked, you know, isn't this from
Speaker 1: that movie Killed Bill? And oh, yeah, you know. I
Speaker 1: love Quinton Tarantino. I love his movies. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: And began this conversation about Clinton Tarantino, and then it
Speaker 1: kind of carried on to other movies that she likes
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and then kind of got into the conversation
Speaker 1: what I was interested in, what Clinton Tarantine. I'm not
Speaker 1: really a big Clinton Tarantino fan of his movies. Cory
Speaker 1: for me, you know, she loved pulp fiction and all
Speaker 1: those other movies, and I wasn't a fan. Sorry. The
Speaker 1: only movie I really like and now the name escapes
Speaker 1: Me was basically where they go across the border down
Speaker 1: to Mexico to the strip club and it turns out
Speaker 1: to be full of vampires, turns into a crazy vampire
Speaker 1: killing Fest's Dylan, that's the movie. That's the Dawn. So
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of the name even then at the time.
Speaker 1: So we're talking and it Fonnie comes up to that
Speaker 1: point in the conversation where I'm telling her I love
Speaker 1: that movie that Quinton made. Of course, she being a
Speaker 1: Quintin fan. No, he didn't make that movie. He was
Speaker 1: in the movie, but he didn't make that movie more
Speaker 1: or less. But I couldn't remember the name of it,
Speaker 1: and oddly enough, she didn't remember the name of it, Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: what the hell is the name that movie? And then
Speaker 1: to the left, I see this billboard or a strip club,
Speaker 1: and the strip leve was caught from dust to down
Speaker 1: and it was in the same font, same exact style
Speaker 1: as the movie itself. And then you know, we see
Speaker 1: the strip club. It was closed down, but you know,
Speaker 1: I had a big old kind of signage on the
Speaker 1: front of it from dust to don It looked just
Speaker 1: like right out in the movie. And we're both freaking
Speaker 1: out at that point, like, I mean, we're literally trying
Speaker 1: to think of the name of this movie. And there
Speaker 1: it is, right there on the side in the strip club,
Speaker 1: and we pulled in and got some pictures of it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, talk about synchronicity here precisely, at
Speaker 1: the time we're trying to figure out the name of
Speaker 1: the movie, we pull up on the strip club with
Speaker 1: that name of the movie, and you know how many
Speaker 1: from dust to Dawn strip clubs are there that look
Speaker 1: like they're from the movie in the Country. So I
Speaker 1: got to thinking about long and heart about synchronosity after
Speaker 1: that one, because I've had other synchronistic defense. But how
Speaker 1: was it that things led up to that moment in
Speaker 1: time to where we're trying to think of the name
Speaker 1: of the movie at the time we pull up on
Speaker 1: the strip club. Then I realized that things think about
Speaker 1: my nickname Radar when it all began. It's a palaindrome.
Speaker 1: It was basically a word spelled the same forward and backward.
Speaker 1: You know the number of different words like that that
Speaker 1: are so you can reverse a word, no matter forward
Speaker 1: or backward, it's still the same word. So I think
Speaker 1: synchronicity is a lot like that, and this is a
Speaker 1: perfect example of one to where we were on that
Speaker 1: highway and we were going to pass that strip club. Period,
Speaker 1: that was a predetermined event in our future that was
Speaker 1: going to happen. There was no getting around that, and
Speaker 1: based on causality, the car wasn't going to break down.
Speaker 1: Nothing was going to happen that would prevent us from
Speaker 1: passing that strip club, and that strip club was going
Speaker 1: to initiate a conversation because it was interesting enough and
Speaker 1: at that point in our relations It was going to
Speaker 1: strike up conversation between us for sure when we saw that,
Speaker 1: if we weren't already talking about it. So I think
Speaker 1: that strip club was the trigger for the event. What
Speaker 1: happened was it triggered it in reverse order. So when
Speaker 1: I heard the kill Bill's song on a CD, it
Speaker 1: was like a pre trigger of the series of events,
Speaker 1: predetermined events. It was the conversation that was predetermined and
Speaker 1: supposed to happen when we see that strip club. So
Speaker 1: rather than seeing the strip club and having the conversation
Speaker 1: about Clinton Tarantino and the movies we liked, it happened
Speaker 1: in a reverse order, leading up to the strip club
Speaker 1: rather than following after the strip club. So I heard
Speaker 1: kill Bill an initiated conversation. She got into all the
Speaker 1: kill you know Quentin Tarantino movies she loved, which came
Speaker 1: back to main talking about the strip club one with
Speaker 1: the vampires, and then we see the strip club. Whereas
Speaker 1: if it hadn't been for that sead we would have
Speaker 1: seen the strip Club, I would have been talking, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the Quentin Tarantino movie he made where they all
Speaker 1: go down to you know, Mexico and kill those vampires
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, you know that he didn't make
Speaker 1: that movie. He was just in it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I love pull fiction, I love kill Bill and YadA,
Speaker 1: YadA YadA. In that case, triggered the predetermined future event
Speaker 1: that happen in a reverse order. And the reason I
Speaker 1: compare to the talent chrome is because you can think
Speaker 1: of it like that, like the name Radar, my nickname,
Speaker 1: so R A D A R. Let's say D represents
Speaker 1: the strip club, the experience itself. Now, when you have D,
Speaker 1: it follows by a R. Is the order or sequence
Speaker 1: of events that follow it as a result of D.
Speaker 1: Whereas the R A lead en up to it. It's
Speaker 1: the same order, the same events. It's just happening in
Speaker 1: a reverse order. So that's that's all that happened is
Speaker 1: basically at the predetermined event because prematurely triggered and happened
Speaker 1: in a reverse order rather than a causal order after it.
Speaker 1: Synchronicity is kind of like a palindrome. You'll notice they
Speaker 1: dropped some of it in the movie. It was the
Speaker 1: one where that what was that was that Jody Foster
Speaker 1: where she goes onto the alien shift and is trying
Speaker 1: to learn their language.
Speaker 4: I think it is. Yeah, I think that is contact.
Speaker 1: Another was contact where she well, I can't remember anyway.
Speaker 1: That was that one Alien Arrival movie where all the
Speaker 1: alien spaceships land and they kind of look like these
Speaker 1: weird octopus creatures in that little missed room of theirs.
Speaker 1: She's trying to learn her language towards the end of
Speaker 1: the movie. And I know pelen Drome's played a part
Speaker 1: in that movie, but also retro causality played a part
Speaker 1: at the end where the outcome at the end of
Speaker 1: the movie was changed by information she received. So I
Speaker 1: mean it's out there has certainly played a part in
Speaker 1: sci fi. I suppose I'm one of those everything happens
Speaker 1: for a reason. There are no accidents. And if you know,
Speaker 1: going back to the Hitler example, if you can't kill
Speaker 1: Hitler on accident, and you know you can't do it
Speaker 1: on purpose, you can't do it on accidents. So what
Speaker 1: does that say about accidents with my daughter? Those were
Speaker 1: essentially accidents. I didn't mean for it to happen, and
Speaker 1: yet nonetheless they did. So the accidents where you can
Speaker 1: say programmed for whatever reason, my life has been full
Speaker 1: of all these strange experiences and episodes and whatnot, and
Speaker 1: the eventual conclusions I've reached. I mean, I suspect it
Speaker 1: was all for some kind of reasoning. Whatever I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to do with that information too, is also beyond me.
Speaker 1: There's kind of an internal struggle because part of me
Speaker 1: wants to do these interviews and put that information out there,
Speaker 1: and a part of me doesn't want to put the
Speaker 1: information out there because you know, to say, a lot
Speaker 1: of people do manifesting to well, we're materialistic, So when
Speaker 1: you do manifesting, you know, typically we want to manifest
Speaker 1: a new car, a new house, a new spouse, more money,
Speaker 1: materialistic workpose craft That ain going to do it a
Speaker 1: bit of good when you're six feet underground, right, you know,
Speaker 1: that's just our nature is. You know, if I have
Speaker 1: this gift, why a you know, at the casino trying
Speaker 1: to win megabooks and personally, I don't look at life
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, you know, granted, a new car,
Speaker 1: a new house, a lot of money would be great,
Speaker 1: but again, like I said, it's not going to do
Speaker 1: me any good when I'm in the ground. Only thing
Speaker 1: I'm going to take with me is me, So I'd
Speaker 1: rather use it to improve myself, and I think that's
Speaker 1: probably what it's meant for. And I would go back
Speaker 1: to the Bible and say that, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the things it says is to do God's will. And
Speaker 1: now people, I'm sure don't want to hear it, that
Speaker 1: a lot of them. But my interpretation of that means
Speaker 1: that this is essentially the retroposality boostrat paradox is a
Speaker 1: way to do just that, to receive that information, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. As scary as it is because you don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, we have our own interpretation of
Speaker 1: what we should do with it, you know, or what
Speaker 1: his will is, if you even believe in the God,
Speaker 1: you know, we think He's laid down these rules. These
Speaker 1: are the rules. This is what you do with it,
Speaker 1: This is how you obey or do his will. But
Speaker 1: I think if if you were to use his manifesting
Speaker 1: prayer whatever you want to call it, secret and focus
Speaker 1: on doing his will or whatever that may be, that's
Speaker 1: probably the scariest thing because you have no idea and
Speaker 1: you're just putting yourself in the Creator's hands and seeing
Speaker 1: where it leads you, which I haven't done that myself.
Speaker 1: That's scared. It's all a lot of it. But now
Speaker 1: that's again more haven't gone into us another can of worms.
Speaker 1: TV shows definitely in you know, most of the time
Speaker 1: these TV shows they just cut edit what they want,
Speaker 1: like I did Chasing UFOs, the last one, where they
Speaker 1: just basically eded to tell the story they want to.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting is my UFO encounter. I had actually
Speaker 1: made a working prototype at the light bulb and brought
Speaker 1: it with me to that interview, and they had shot
Speaker 1: footage of it, and I told them the whole man
Speaker 1: made theory and whatnot, but all of that was clipped out,
Speaker 1: you know, and it came across as being abducted by
Speaker 1: the Arcadians, some kind of flue aliens.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's TV's it's chewing gum for the eyes.
Speaker 4: I've had heaps of guests, and a few of them
Speaker 4: have actually gone after is because I'd see an article
Speaker 4: in the paper and they'd have their experience in the paper,
Speaker 4: but it would be either completely wrong or they've changed things,
Speaker 4: or they've they've said they've said things when they didn't.
Speaker 4: So I'll reach out to these people and then say,
Speaker 4: you know, I just read about your your experience, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I get that's not true. Everything
Speaker 4: they put in that is not true to completely change
Speaker 4: my story around. So then I have them on the
Speaker 4: show to share actually happened. This is the problem with media.
Speaker 4: They never portray it in the correct light.
Speaker 1: That's never any good for the field, certainly, and TV
Speaker 1: is definitely good for that. I've only done two TV
Speaker 1: shows that actually just let me talk or you know,
Speaker 1: as much as I could, and you know, of course
Speaker 1: it limited time frame, but yeah, certainly has some bad
Speaker 1: experiences with that, but that's entertainment. They're just how to
Speaker 1: get used.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not the only one out there, Sean. I
Speaker 4: really appreciate you coming on and sharing that all for
Speaker 4: our listeners.
Speaker 1: Oh, Nick, you know, I appreciate you having me on
Speaker 1: and give me an opportunity to tell my story. Hopefully
Speaker 1: people find it interesting or food for thought or if
Speaker 1: you know, if they don't, that's fine too. I mean,
Speaker 1: not holding a gun in anyone's head. So you know,
Speaker 1: take what we take what you will leave the rest absolutely.
Speaker 4: I you know, I think people are going to be
Speaker 4: thinking about this episode long after they finished listing to it.
Speaker 1: Certainly, I hope so. And you know, don't take my
Speaker 1: word for it, doe to research yourself. Certainly look into
Speaker 1: retrocausality and where science is at with it right now.
Speaker 1: It's out there and it's certainly part of quantum mechanics
Speaker 1: and what they're looking at now. So I'll part of the.
Speaker 4: Bigger picture wonderful stuff. Keep in contact and we will
Speaker 4: speak soon.
Speaker 1: Good Nick, You take care of yourself.
Speaker 4: You take care of yourself, sir. Okay, bye for now.
Speaker 3: That is all for this week.
Speaker 4: Keep updated and connected with the show on x, Facebook
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Speaker 4: like to share on the podcast, you can email me
Speaker 4: at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can
Speaker 4: reach out to me via the contact page on my
Speaker 4: website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A big fanga de
Speaker 4: Shaan for sharing tonight and thank you all for listening.
Speaker 4: I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
Speaker 4: and keep watching us guys.
Speaker 2: Goodbye, no