WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:04.280 a UFO. 3 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:08.560 Hanging in We don't want to report every thirty one. 4 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:09.480 Do you wish to report a. 5 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.279 UFO over hey, we want to one of those data. 6 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:15.439 Areas thirty one. 7 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 Do you wish to find a report of any kind 8 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:17.320 of it? 9 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds. 10 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:27.199 Time areas thirty one me neither there. See if it 11 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:31.440 was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago, 12 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:37.960 we were sending one of golf negative. Okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah, 13 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.039 it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over. 14 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:42.759 God. 15 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.119 I don't know what it was, but it's from at 16 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.079 least to three thousand feet above us. 17 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:48.000 See, I passed right over. 18 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.679 The top of US ninety one one. 19 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.359 You just called up to me before. 20 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:05.480 They're after staying the airplanes to God on an unidentified 21 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:10.079 object every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying. 22 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:13.280 Object A. 23 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.280 Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their 24 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:24.959 experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, 25 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.560 I would like to be on the show. You can 26 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:32.519 email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 27 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:50.519 Hello everyone, and welcome to this show. 28 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:51.719 How are you all doing? 29 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:55.400 I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. 30 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:59.439 In this episode, our guest is Sean Kevin Jason from 31 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:04.000 Las Veas, Nevada, and Sean has encountered numerous paranormal events 32 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:08.719 throughout his life, notably experiencing several retro causal incidents. One 33 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.520 such event led to a close encounter with a black 34 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:14.719 triang or UFO on the way to Area fifty one. 35 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.919 For over ten years, Sean has openly discussed his encounters 36 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.360 and started his investigation into the UFO phenomena back in 37 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.919 nineteen ninety three and dedicating himself to research in this 38 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.319 field ever since. His personal experiences over the years has 39 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:33.240 positioned him as a leading theorist on retrocausality and its 40 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:38.439 connection to UFO sitings, synchronicity, bootstrap paradoxes, and how these 41 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.039 relate to theories of a control system influencing the fabric 42 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.840 of reality. His accounts have been showcased on various TV 43 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.000 programs and is also mentioned in Kim Carlsberg's book The 44 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:54.400 Art of Close Encounters. Sean is up next, but first, 45 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:56.360 if you enjoyed the show and you would like to 46 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:59.360 help support the podcast on Patreon. You can do this 47 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.840 for as little there's one dollar a month. Head on 48 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:06.400 over to patreon dot com Forward Slash Ufo Chronicles podcast. 49 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:08.680 You can also find a link in the description of 50 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.599 this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on 51 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:30.560 the show. Welcome to the podcast, Sean, Thank you for 52 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:35.439 having men you're more and welcome. You're calling from Las Vegas, Nevada. 53 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.560 We are here in Sun City, Sin City. 54 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:39.199 Wonderful. 55 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:42.719 Okay, Now, Sean, you have some experiences to share with us. 56 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:44.960 Would you like to start at the beginning. 57 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:47.039 Please, sir, from the beginning. I know for most people, 58 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.159 you know, they start off with their UFO experience. But 59 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.639 for me, the interest was actually from my childhood, probably 60 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:58.719 around you know, ten eleven. Age found a box of 61 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:03.520 my dad's things and going through his stuff, you know, 62 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.400 it was kind of one of those boxes stored in 63 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:08.960 the basement. There was a bunch of books and comics 64 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.960 things of that nature, and they were pretty much mostly 65 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:18.000 UFOs and Permuta Triangle. So I was at an early 66 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:22.120 reading age and really got into these books and magazines. 67 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:26.279 The strong interest in UFOs in my childhood. That kind 68 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.680 of influenced me later in life. So just reading these books, 69 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.279 I was really fascinated by the stories of you know, 70 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.000 typical UFOs. A lot of these books and magazines were 71 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:39.360 from the sixties and seventies when my father was younger, 72 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.800 so you know, stories of that period, and I just 73 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.720 found it fascinated. Here's a you know, a subject. Now, 74 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:49.680 as a child, you think adults and the grown up 75 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:53.480 world has everything more or less figured out. So to 76 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.839 read these books to find out there's you know, some 77 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.839 mystery out there still left to be solved that you know, 78 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.360 even the grown ups have no idea what's going on 79 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.879 fascinated me as a child. So you know, that left 80 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.920 the mark on me. Grew up, come teenager, rebellious problems 81 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:15.000 at home, so I was constantly getting into trouble running 82 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.240 on the streets. By that time, I was, you know, 83 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.199 living in Vegas, North Last Vegas, growing up on the 84 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:24.199 streets there. You know, with my UFO encounter, if I 85 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.000 were to just tell you my story, it would be 86 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.879 taken out of context because without the whole story, it's 87 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.399 easy to listen to my UFO story and think, well, 88 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:37.199 this is pett and case, you know, alien contacts, so 89 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.360 he reached out to him, you know, he's probably an abductee, 90 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.199 that sort of thing, without knowing everything else that came 91 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.040 before that night, so it would be easy to be 92 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:53.480 misled and for all the wrong conclusions. So growing up 93 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.519 on the streets Las Vegas, there is a particular day 94 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:58.720 my friend and I were hanging out on the street 95 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:03.120 corner and just you know, bs and trying to figure 96 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:04.959 out what, you know, what kind of trouble we're going 97 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:06.959 to get into the next molest add my back to 98 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:11.839 the intersection. He was facing it, and right in the 99 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.279 middle of the conversation he's talking, I cut him off 100 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:18.279 because I just had this instinctive feeling that a cop 101 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.560 car was approaching from behind. I just knew, you know, 102 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:23.800 deep down in the gut, there's a cop car approach. 103 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.240 So I just interrupted him mid Simpsons and said, there's 104 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.959 a cop car approach behind. And his mouth just you know, 105 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.160 just dropped wide open. He just had the stone look 106 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.199 on his face, and he didn't have to answer me. 107 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:38.360 I knew right away, but I was right just by 108 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.480 his expression, and I turned around and I see this 109 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.879 cop car approach, and turned back and look at him, 110 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.600 still stunned on his face. That stone looked in and 111 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.079 then he asked, like, you know, how did you know? 112 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:53.160 Because those are good ways away, But it was, you know, 113 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.079 approaching an intersection. We watched it as it, you know, 114 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:00.519 spot that intersection and turn and drove away. And I 115 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.759 didn't have an answer. I just I had just had 116 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.920 this instinctive knowing that it was going to happen. I 117 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.040 couldn't really explain it to them, you know, I just knew, 118 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.160 that was my answer. I just knew, but had no 119 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.600 idea why or how it happened. But I figured, if 120 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.399 you know, if I did it once, there was no 121 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.959 reason I couldn't do it again. Even if I didn't 122 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:22.959 understand pow Er why I knew it was coming, I 123 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.439 just assume that if I was dead on once, I 124 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:29.079 can be dead on again. So of course, being in trouble, 125 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.199 running the streets, always looking for something to get into, 126 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.639 there was plenty of more opportunities for that to happen. 127 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.680 Number one thing we're always looking out for is the police. 128 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.279 So as time went on, I didn't take long, maybe 129 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.439 a month after that incident before it happened to get 130 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.319 out the next time it happened there was a different 131 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:53.079 building entirely, So the first time it was just like 132 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.519 an infused knowledge kind of thing where you just absolutely 133 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.920 know something to be true. But the second time it happened, 134 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:04.040 it was more like you get goosebumps, like there's a 135 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:06.879 lot of static electricity in the air, kind of that 136 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.560 electric bill goosebumps all over, and didn't really have an 137 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.399 infused kind of knowledge feeling to it, but just that 138 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.439 I could sense that there's a presence of the cop, 139 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:22.360 a police nearby, and what direction that's coming from, and 140 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.720 sure enough, you know, I was dead on. Every time. 141 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.279 It was just dead on. And this went on long 142 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:34.320 enough that my friends nicknamed me radar because they thought, 143 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:36.360 you know, it was like some kind of human radar 144 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:39.480 that could detect police. The name was kind of funny. 145 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:42.840 This is a palindrome, which would come and play into 146 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.759 the story later, but that was my first impression of this, 147 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:48.759 whatever you want to call it. I kind of thought 148 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.879 it was like a spidery sense, spider man sense danger. 149 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.200 I could sense cops, so I felt, you know, it 150 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.200 was just some kind of weird ability where I was 151 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:00.799 like the human radar that, for whatever reason tech police 152 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:05.840 presence nearby. So eventually I cleaned up my act, got 153 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.600 off the streets, stopped being a bad boy, going back 154 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.399 to school, you know, changing out my friend, getting rid 155 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.120 of anything in my life that wasn't serving a purpose 156 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:18.679 changed my life. And I figured at this point that 157 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:22.600 this ability, whatever it was, this human radar ability, would 158 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:24.360 that was it. You know, I had no need for 159 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:27.320 it anymore because I wasn't getting in trouble. So so 160 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.799 at first with the radar ability, you know, like I mentioned, 161 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.240 just kind of an electric kind of goosebump kind of feel, 162 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.720 give a sense of a direction is coming from. During 163 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.960 that time, and this would have been the tenth grade, 164 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:45.759 I was ditching school one morning, basically rode the bus 165 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.320 to schools, walked off the bus and walked off the 166 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.159 campus immediately and left to go a few blocks away 167 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.279 from school where one of my hangouts was an arcade 168 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.399 that I would often spend a day there. They weren't 169 00:09:58.440 --> 00:09:59.840 open at the time. I was still too early in 170 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:04.159 the morning, so I decided to hide behind this group 171 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.960 of businesses, pouch down behind one of the back entrances 172 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.679 near the trash and I forgoed. I just lay low 173 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.200 for a little while into the business open and I'm 174 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:19.960 sitting there and smoking a cigarette, just trying to keep 175 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:23.000 out of sight, and I heard someone yell at me 176 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.159 run and the voice was just like a person was 177 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.399 standing right next to you, that loud, and it seemed 178 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.399 that close. Just you run with you know, this real 179 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.480 sense of urgency here the living hell out of me. 180 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.360 This was the first time I heard the voice. Had 181 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.679 no idea what the hell it was, where it came from. 182 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.360 You know, the thought was just some ghosts, some disembodied voice. Crazy, 183 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:49.799 what the hell wasn't you know. I'm torn between sitting 184 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:52.480 there trying to figure out what this voice was and 185 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:56.080 doing what the voice told me run because I had 186 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.879 no idea why it was telling me to run, but 187 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.600 it seemed important, and that scared the shit out of me, 188 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.519 so I decided to listen to the voice. I had 189 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.240 no idea which direction to go, so I had a 190 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.879 number of different ways I could run, So I just 191 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.759 started running and I run out from behind the business. 192 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.039 I'm around the corner to the street that's in front 193 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.639 of the business, and just when I hit the sidewalk, 194 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.879 I see there's five truon officers closing in on my position, 195 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.919 two from one side, three from the other. So I 196 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:27.799 just decided to bolt across the street towards a cinderblock 197 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.399 wall on the other side and I might just jump over. 198 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.360 But by the time I hit the middle of the street, 199 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.080 the cars were on top of me. One of them 200 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.240 almost ran me over. All the toon officers, the school 201 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:40.000 police are jumping out of the vehicles trying to grab me. 202 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:43.559 By the time, I'm just doing a flying leap at 203 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:45.759 this wall in front of me and pretty much run 204 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.039 right up this wall and over the other side. There 205 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.320 are two German shepherds on the other side. It almost 206 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:52.600 got me. It got through that got through that yard. 207 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:55.919 I just kept running, you know, after one street, more yards, 208 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.279 another street, more yards, until I found a yard I 209 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.919 can hide it in. And I spent that day that 210 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:07.759 morning hiding behind someone's you know, cooilage in their backyard, 211 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:11.399 freaking out about what just had happened that morning with 212 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:15.320 this voice and then the screwt officers, you know, almost 213 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:19.519 catching me. Essentially. That was my first experience with this voice, 214 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.320 which would come in to play later with the UFO siding. 215 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:26.919 So I had a number of experiences with this voice. 216 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:29.720 The second time was even stranger than the first time 217 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.159 because the second time that arcade I mentioned, I was 218 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:36.639 ditching school again hanging out at their arcade and had 219 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.279 been there a good part of the day, and this 220 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:45.039 particular day, the arcade was packed. I mean, everyone must 221 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:46.960 have had the same idea and decided they're all going 222 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.120 to ditch school and hang out at the arcade, and 223 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.639 it was kind of it was just full of arcade machines, 224 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.320 pull tables and a snack bar back. Then of course 225 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.639 you can smoke indoors and the owner as friends, but 226 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.559 care you know, well to a point, I'll explain. So 227 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.840 the place is packed. I'm playing a machine that's near 228 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.679 the back entrance, and again the second time I hear 229 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.919 the voice, and the voice tells me to keep playing. 230 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:15.799 It's not yelling at me like the first time. It's 231 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:19.360 just it says keep playing. I should mention too that 232 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:23.000 whenever I hear the voice, there's a physical sensation to 233 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.039 the companies. It's kind of like getting butterflies in your stomach. 234 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:29.200 You know, if you're going to make a big speech, 235 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:31.840 you're nervous, you get the butterflies in your stomach. And 236 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.360 a roller coaster ride where you drop and your stomach 237 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.519 fills weightless for a moment. It's like a cross between 238 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.080 those two fillings, and there's enough. It's strong enough that 239 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:43.759 when you fill it, you kind of hunch over, kind 240 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:47.080 of grabbing your absmen, So I would get this physical 241 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.600 sensation when I hear this voice. So it told me 242 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.919 to keep playing. That makes no sense, what you know, 243 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:57.759 keep playing? What why? I couldn't understand the message at 244 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.960 that particular moment when it was given to me. And 245 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:04.879 about one minute later, I hear a bunch of screaming 246 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.759 up in the front of the arcade, and everyone starts yelling, 247 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:11.360 and everyone starts rushing back to the back end of 248 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:14.279 the arcade where I'm at, and I realize you're always 249 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.120 screaming at cops, please cops, and are about to run 250 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.159 out the back entrance, when at the same moment, a 251 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.960 bunch of police start coming in through the back entrance, 252 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.799 which I'm right next to the door. There's only two 253 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.840 ways enter out of this business, and all the kids 254 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:32.360 are surrounded, and you know, the cops are just storming 255 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.600 in that place and grabbing all these kids. And right 256 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:40.120 then that's when it hit me. Keep playing so normally 257 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.360 in that situation. If it wasn't for that voice, I 258 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:44.399 had been any one of those other kids, freaking the 259 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:46.399 hell out, like, you know, what the hell am I 260 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:47.799 going to do? Or am I going to go? I 261 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:49.759 go hide in the bathroom and get away with the 262 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.600 jump over the bar, hide behind that, you know, anything 263 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.120 to get away from that situation. Keep playing is probably 264 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:58.240 the last thing I would have ever thought to do. 265 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:03.240 But I trusted the voice and I kept playing. I 266 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.919 stood there like I didn't give a damn at all, 267 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.879 didn't care, I had no concerns, no worries. I just 268 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.720 kept playing my game. By all the rest of these 269 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:14.159 kids were running around trying to figure out how to 270 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.480 get out of that situation. So the cops come in 271 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.759 and they're grabbing all these kids, pulling all these kids 272 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:21.039 out from loading them up into the cop cars and 273 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.159 the patty wagon. They cleaned the whole place out, so 274 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.279 now it's just the cops, the owner, and me left 275 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.759 in this arcade and I'm still playing dropping porters into 276 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.120 this arcade machine like it's no big deal. I don't care. 277 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.039 So they clean the place out. The cops leave except 278 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:40.840 for one cop because then comes up to me and 279 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.360 he's just standing there right next to me, looking at me, 280 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.519 watching the game, looking at me, just has this like 281 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:48.919 look on his face when he's looking at me, and 282 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.440 I'm trying to not to be nervous or scared. I'm 283 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.600 just I don't care kind of attitude, and I just 284 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:58.559 keep my eyes on the game. He's how are you? 285 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:00.919 And I'm just like, I'm old enough that you don't 286 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:02.960 see me running around with my head chopped off like 287 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.240 some stupid kids. And I guess that answer was good 288 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.879 enough for him because he just, you know, walked off 289 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.879 and they left. All the cops left, so it was 290 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.519 just I was the last person standing in the arcade 291 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.639 and the owner at that point, you know, he knew, 292 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.480 he knew I was ditched to school. He couldn't believe it. 293 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.360 I got off the game, and I'm like at that point, 294 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.120 trying to catch my breath because I can finally relax 295 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:31.639 and not freak out like I was, you know, wanted 296 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:33.960 to but couldn't. And he is, how in the hell 297 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.279 are you still standing here? So that was the second time. 298 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.120 The fourth time I heard the voice was the UFO encounter. 299 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:43.799 The third time, now was the softball game I was 300 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:45.799 going to enter, so like I was saying, I cleaned 301 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.200 up my act after that. By the eleventh grade, I 302 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.399 got my act together. Is going to school, being good, 303 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.919 playing sports, stand out of trouble during my homework, you 304 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.840 know that sort of thing. Joined the softball league, which 305 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:01.000 I enjoyed playing baseball all when I was younger, so 306 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.599 got into softball. The third time I heard his voice, 307 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.680 and the voice is important explaining how it started, where 308 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:11.960 it come from, because you know, when I get into 309 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.079 the whole UFO encounter, that's one thing people say as well. 310 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.880 You know, the voice was probably just Aliens directly needs 311 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.759 to the craft, you know, as the operators. And I'm 312 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.720 going to point out why it was. So the third time, 313 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.400 it happens with the voice playing a softball game one 314 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.000 night and our teams at the bat and I'm about 315 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.279 two batters away, sitting in the dugout end of the 316 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.720 bench and I hear the voice again, and the voice 317 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:39.200 tells me you're going to take out the picture. And 318 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.039 I'm like, what when it's to take out the picture? 319 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.039 Pretty much for me, that means, you know, of course, 320 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.039 line drive the picture, take them out and looking back 321 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:51.359 at it now, and I know some people tell me 322 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:53.359 when I tell this part of the story or tell 323 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.720 this particular incident, it makes me look bad, but it 324 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.960 is what it is. At the time, I really didn't 325 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.519 have any concern or care for the picture safety. I 326 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:06.599 wasn't worried about that and didn't think about it. I 327 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:10.200 was more interested and proven to everyone else there that 328 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.759 I can tell them what was about to happen. So 329 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:17.240 that was my frame of mind. So immediately I tell 330 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.319 all my friends on my team, watch this, I'm going 331 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.960 to shotgun the picture. And by shotgun, I mean I 332 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.119 want that picture to fly off the mound like she 333 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:27.440 just got shot plant blank shotgun to her chest. So 334 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:29.759 I'm telling my friends, hey, watch this, I'm gonna I'm 335 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:31.720 gonna shock in the picture. I'm gonna shock un the picture. 336 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.119 And they're all cheering me on. I'm getting them all, 337 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.720 you know, wound up. I'm next up to bat, step 338 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:43.279 up to the plate, and my team starts chanting take 339 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.839 her out, take her out. Take you know, they're just chanting, 340 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.599 take take her out, over and over and over. She pitches, 341 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.799 you know, because this was a co ed softball, so 342 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:57.039 female pitcher. So she pitches the ball and I swing 343 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.480 at it and completely missed right. And at this point, 344 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.000 I'm thinking, oh crap. You know, I just told everyone, 345 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.119 you know, the voice told me what I'm going to 346 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.240 take out the picture. I got to strike on the 347 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:09.519 first swing this. It's going to look bad if I 348 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.519 don't actually do it, even though realistically, who has that 349 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.720 much control over a ball and be a softball or 350 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:20.359 baseball to be able to specifically, you know, hit the 351 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:24.319 ball with that that much accuracy and be able to 352 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:26.039 predict where it's going to go and what's going to happen. 353 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.759 So she pitches again, and I put everything I have 354 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.920 into this swing, and I just connect with that softball 355 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:41.160 just perfectly. And it was like in that moment, everything 356 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:46.400 slowed down, and I'm watching the softball just slowly creep 357 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:50.000 towards her, and it's just getting closer and closer, and 358 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:52.880 I can see her is heading straight for dead center 359 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.480 on her chest and I can see her arms lifting up, 360 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.759 and I see her glove and she's arms slowly trying 361 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.480 to come up to catch the ball before it nails 362 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.039 or in the chest, and she wasn't fast enough. Boom 363 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:10.440 and squaring a chest full speed, it just blasts her 364 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:13.640 right off that mount and it kind of from my perspective, 365 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:15.319 it kind of looked like you took a shotgun and 366 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.519 blasted a chest and just flew off that mount. And 367 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.400 I'm watching all this happen and it's not even really 368 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:25.960 connected with me yet, because you know, it's softball. My 369 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.519 first reaction is like anytime you hit the ball, run 370 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:30.839 for the base. So you know, I'm swinging the bat, 371 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:32.960 going the bat, and I'm starting to run when I 372 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.440 get halfway to first base and I stopped because that's 373 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.680 when it just hit me what just happened. And I 374 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:44.279 stop halfway to the first base and I'm looking She's 375 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.000 just laying on the ground, not moving. I'm looking to 376 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.359 my rights. I'm right in front of my dugout, and 377 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:52.640 all my teammates are glued up against the chains. All 378 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:54.920 their mouths are dropped white open. Every one of them 379 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:58.160 just looks doun the shit, just completely surprised. No one's 380 00:20:58.160 --> 00:20:59.880 saying anything. It was like you can hear a pin. 381 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.359 And I'm looking at the picture. I'm just waiting to 382 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:07.480 see some kind of life from her, see if she's moving, 383 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:11.039 see if she's still conscious. And she's just flat out 384 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.960 on the ground, not moving, and I'm thinking oh crap, 385 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:16.960 I just killed her. You know, I'm going to be 386 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.480 going to prison because I just told everyone exactly what 387 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:21.400 I was going to do to this girl before I 388 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.039 got to the plate, And I'm like, I'm still stuck 389 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:27.480 in the game mode because part of me is like, 390 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:29.759 do I run over and check on her, see if 391 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:31.960 she's okay? But if I do that, the ball is 392 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.799 lying right next to her, any one of her teammates 393 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:36.920 can come over grabbed the ball, tagging me out at 394 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.559 the game. You know, I'm not really thinking straight at 395 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:43.279 this point. I'm just kind of shocked myself over what 396 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.000 just happened and what I just did. I just stood 397 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:49.720 there and everyone kind of just stood around just it 398 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.400 was just weird. It was just really weird because no 399 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.480 one really knew what to do. Eventually, the coach and 400 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.440 her parents ran out onto the field the check on her. 401 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.319 Apparently I had hit her so hard it just knocked 402 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:05.599 the breath out of her and she lost conscience after 403 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:09.519 out cold. She was okay, but just shook up, and 404 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:11.279 you know, of course, I went on to the base 405 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:16.240 and the game got finished. After the game, I went 406 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:19.440 over to apologize to her for what I had done 407 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:21.640 because even though it's one of those things you can't 408 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:24.519 really control. No one can do something like that. I did, 409 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:28.640 and she knew it too, because everyone could hear the 410 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:31.640 team chanting take her out. They were loud and they 411 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:33.880 were pretty obvious what I had planned on doing to her. 412 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:35.880 And this was all because the boys told me I 413 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.000 was going to and I had no problem doing it. 414 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:42.160 So needless to say, we played that team a few 415 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.319 times after that night, and anytime I came up to bat, 416 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.559 she walked intentional walk. She never pitched another bottom me again, 417 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.759 which I wouldn't blame. That was when I was sixteen, 418 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.000 and that was the last time I heard the voice. 419 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.519 Because of that night, I was terrified of his voice 420 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.319 because I was afraid I had no control over it. 421 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:04.200 I didn't expect it to come back, because you know, 422 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:05.960 the second time I heard the voice was at the 423 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:09.279 arcade when I was ditching the cops, and I figured 424 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:12.160 At that time, I still figured this was some kind 425 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.559 of like human radar cop detection ability or thing like that. 426 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.000 But after the softball game, you know, I realized it 427 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.680 was anything. But there's something else going on. I just 428 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:24.880 couldn't figure out what. But it's scared the hell out 429 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:26.839 of me, because I was afraid, you know, next time 430 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:30.559 I might kill someone, I might seriously hurt someone. And 431 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.559 it might be easy to say but just don't listen 432 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.079 to the voice. But as I explained, it doesn't work 433 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.920 that way. So that was the age sixteen. Many years 434 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:45.079 go by, many years. Eventually ninety three X Files comes out, 435 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:49.960 and you know, my wife and I watched a pilot, 436 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.480 fall in love with the show, and I'm an X 437 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.960 Files diehard fan, and of course living in Las Vegas 438 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.759 at time, two hour drive out there one, you know, 439 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.400 and at that time, the whole Bob is Our story 440 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.960 S four, all of that was in the news. George Map, 441 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:10.400 you know, that whole shebang was really popular in the 442 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:16.119 early nineties mid nineties. Xboles certainly propelled that and vice versa. 443 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.880 So yeah, I was making a number of trips out 444 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:23.240 the area, fifty one all the time. I'd always go 445 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:27.119 at nighttime, two hour drive out there, two hour drive back, 446 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.000 and you know, spend an hour a couple hours out 447 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.039 there just watching the sky at night, hoping to get 448 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.039 a glimpse of something either from the blackmail box or 449 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.160 all the way up at the gate. Never saw anything. 450 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:45.680 Suspicious or interesting, nothing like that except one night at 451 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.559 the time. This was before I got my start on 452 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:51.559 my computer career field, so I was doing a pizza 453 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.039 delivery at the time, which was probably one of my 454 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:59.400 most favorite jobs, especially in that time frame because I 455 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:01.759 was working on an shift. You know, this was the 456 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.680 time when art Bell is still on the air on 457 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:08.599 clost To Coasts and Sundays were my favorite because Art 458 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:11.000 Bell would have the Dreamland show of wind the multenhow 459 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:13.079 and it would have all kinds of you like Whitley Streetman, 460 00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.160 you can imagine, you get the cruise crews around. And 461 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.480 the part of town I worked in Vegas was at 462 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.160 that time furtherest you can get out first town has 463 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:24.119 grown since then on the very northern end of town. 464 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.119 So I was like as far north in Vegas as 465 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:29.440 it could, so I can see the Skuys above north 466 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.200 last Vegas, you know, beyond the mountain range. Listening to 467 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:35.799 Art Bell, you know, have all the cigarettes I want 468 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:38.759 while I'm driving around delivering pizzas, which I enjoy driving. 469 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.759 So it was a great tig for me at the time. 470 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.799 One night, I am working in the kitchen sweeping up 471 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.759 to corn mill in the kitchen one, I get hit 472 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.440 with the voice again, you know, hunched over stomach, avedon Paine, 473 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:53.519 and the voice tells me to go to the area 474 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:55.599 that if you want, And of course I know right 475 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.319 away why it wants me to go to areas if 476 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:00.640 you want. Of course, the only reason I ever go 477 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:02.920 out there is to see a UFO I don't know, 478 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.799 or you know, maybe an alien if I'm that fucky. 479 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.839 But there is no other reason to make that try 480 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:12.000 up there. So when I heard the voice tell me 481 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:14.480 to go to area fifty one, it's just going over 482 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:15.960 and over in my head, you know, go to area 483 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:17.720 pitch one, go to Eric bitch one, because I was 484 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.119 just kind of like the first instant when I told 485 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.359 me to run that one played over in my head. 486 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.400 Though if the voice only says at once, it was 487 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:28.039 just like me repeating it over and over in my head. 488 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.160 So I'm just repeating it on my Twitter. If you 489 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.640 want to go to a bid one this is And 490 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.240 there's some confusion because you know, I was aware familiar 491 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:43.160 with enough UFO stories, contact stories, abduction stories that often 492 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:46.319 a person would hear a voice some kind of direction 493 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:50.799 leading them to some remote location before they have their encounter, 494 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:55.200 So there was some you know, uncertainty when I heard 495 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.519 the voice whether this was really the same voice that 496 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.480 I heard before or whether it was something else. I'm 497 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.039 fairly sure it was the same voice, just by the 498 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:10.599 voice itself and then the physical sensation that came with it, 499 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.119 but you know, and that situation was just so strange. 500 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.079 I'm going to be one hundred percent sure. So I thought, 501 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:19.319 that's great, you know, go to Area fifty one. But 502 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.160 I was still supposed to be on the clock for 503 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.359 a few more hours. Literally, like a minute after I 504 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:28.160 heard the voice, my manager calls me over and tells 505 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.559 me it's dead slow tonight and ask me if I 506 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.640 would like to leave now. I couldn't believe. It was like, 507 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.200 you got to be kinning me. Yeah, I'm out of here. 508 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:39.079 So yeah, I clocked out and got the hell out 509 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.839 there as fast as I could. And I thought that 510 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.240 was just a weird ass coincidence. So racing home. On 511 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:49.079 my way home, I stopped off at my mother's house. 512 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.440 When my brother stayed. He had a thirty five millimeter camera. 513 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.720 I didn't own a camera. He had a nice camera 514 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.720 that our father had passed down to him previous trips. 515 00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:01.039 I would make out the area fifty one. I would 516 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.440 often stop buy at my mom's house and borrow this camera. 517 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:05.359 And I say borrow, I didn't ask. I would just 518 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.759 want less take it, kind of just show up, grab 519 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.319 the camera, grab some rolls of film, would just take 520 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:11.920 off with it and give it back to him a 521 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:16.640 few days later. So this particular night, when I stopped 522 00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.039 by to pick up the camera, I found the camera 523 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.880 case but no camera. So I was kind of sol 524 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.480 there and I kind of figured he probably hid the 525 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.519 camera because you know, like I said, I probably should 526 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.039 probably asked to borrow it all those other times that 527 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.720 might have been available, So that was a wasted trip. 528 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:35.880 I figured, I'm short on time, you know, I need 529 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.680 to hurry up and get out there, because I you know, 530 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.079 it's not like I have any idea a timeframe, which 531 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.960 I learned later doesn't matter, But at that time, I thought, 532 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.960 maybe I'm short on time, a specific time I need 533 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.200 to be out there, race home, get home, and get 534 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.480 out of my uniform, throw on some clothes. I had 535 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.880 just a fambuoyant alien T shirt, green T shirt with 536 00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.720 this humongous gray face on it. That's what I'm going 537 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.359 to wear. Because if I meet aliens that night, I 538 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.400 want to at least come off as like, you know, 539 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.720 friend and not bo. My car was just at that 540 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.759 time was decked out and UFO Alien bumper stickers, so 541 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:13.640 I had the hole we were in the park covered 542 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.359 in them. On the front of my car. I had 543 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.640 an Area fifty one novel keep plays, so I figure 544 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:19.920 when I'd pull up on his UFO, whatever is going 545 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.400 to happen at night, they should be impressed, right, So 546 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.119 let the wife know where I was going. Hit the road, 547 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.559 get out of Vegas. Take Las Vegas Boulevard, pass an 548 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.319 LS Air Force Base all the way to the highway, 549 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.240 jump on that, and get off at the Apex exit 550 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:40.079 ower Station exit, and start heading north on ninety three 551 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.240 towards Area fifty one. You know, the same drive I've 552 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.119 made a number of times before on these Area Big 553 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.920 one trips, and I didn't get far. When you first 554 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:54.640 get off on ninety three at the Apex exit, pretty 555 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:57.920 much heads due north for a little while before it 556 00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:01.440 starts turning to the right, kind of a like a 557 00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:05.880 north east direction. Coming around the end of that turn 558 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:09.680 way off the distance I can see some lights, you know, 559 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.759 is pitch black. This was about this time. It was 560 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.480 right around ten o'clock PM, and I figured, it's just 561 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.319 another car on the highway heading towards me, because you 562 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:21.839 know these right white lights for yous head lights coming 563 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.599 towards me. But it's way off on the horizon. So 564 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:26.240 I just forgure out it's going to be the first 565 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.559 car I passed on the road. As I'm driving, you know, 566 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:34.319 my mind, of course, is just racing because I'm still 567 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:36.640 thinking about go to areas if you wanted to boys 568 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.680 tell me and how it was right the last three 569 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:42.079 times I've heard his voice, not knowing what to expect, 570 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:44.920 what's you know, what awaits me at Area fifty? Want 571 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.799 basically what's going to happen? And my mind is just 572 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.920 going through a Brazilian scenarios of what I might be encountering, 573 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.759 what may happen. You know, I'm thinking, you know, is 574 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.200 there going to be some UFO landed on the ground 575 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.480 they rolle out the red carpet with some ambassador waiting 576 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:05.000 for me up, you know, shake hands or the UFO 577 00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.400 you know, to give me a nice tour of the 578 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.079 solar system, answer all my questions kind of thing. Because 579 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.759 I've read by this time. I've read a ton of 580 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.559 UFO books and watched plenty of documentaries and all that. 581 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.440 So I've seen plenty and heard plenty that certainly there 582 00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:24.079 have been some strange contacted cases in the fifties that 583 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.920 come to mind, or abduction cases like Betty and Barney Hill, 584 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.039 Travis Walton. So you know, I really had no idea 585 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.799 what to expect. I was hoping that it was going 586 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.839 to be a nice encounter, like a contact the case 587 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.240 where they were going to answer my questions and explain 588 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.680 life's and mysteries. But even if it wasn't, even if 589 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.000 it was something scary and they were going to probe 590 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.599 me and do god knows what with me, I was 591 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.680 willing to go even if that's how it turned out. 592 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.759 So I'll ask going through my head. And I'm driving, 593 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.839 continuing to drive, speeding in fact, because you know, I'm 594 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.200 worried that, you know, I may miss it, I may 595 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.000 not get there in time. And looking up ahead, I 596 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.480 still see these lights, and I realized it just dawns 597 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.119 on me that I'm getting closer to the lights, but 598 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.559 the lights should be a lot closer than me. So 599 00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:22.720 I'm thinking then that this is this car maybe they 600 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.039 broke down yor stuck on the side of the road, 601 00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:30.880 and my thoughts immediately turned to these lights, this car, 602 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:33.799 and I'm wondering, what, you know, what should I do. 603 00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.839 Should I try and help them if they're broke down 604 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:38.960 on the side of the road. Should I stop and 605 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.519 offer to help, or should I just fly by? And 606 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:43.519 you know, I need to get somewhere in a hurry, 607 00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.680 and I don't want to spend you know, the evening 608 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.279 wasted helping them if I don't need to. And you know, 609 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:51.799 I was trying to decide how I was going to 610 00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.839 approach that situation, and I decided to basically, I would 611 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.039 stop and help if it didn't look sketchy, something to 612 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.079 that effect. But by the time I had reached that decision, 613 00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.680 that's when I realized the lights were not on the road. 614 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.440 They were actually above the road, hovering over the road. 615 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.440 And that immediately got a reaction out of me to 616 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:14.559 slam on the brakes because the first thing that popped 617 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.960 in my head was it was a Metro police popt 618 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.519 It was just my first reaction to the situation this 619 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.160 this was some police helicopter, because I couldn't think of 620 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.680 anything else, and that was just what instantly popped in 621 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.319 my head. You know, I'm speeding. I want to get 622 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.240 busted for speeding. But then immediately I was thinking, you know, 623 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.680 I was stupid because I'm way outside the limits of 624 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.960 Las Vegas at this time. There would be absolutely no 625 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.079 reason for a police helicopter to be hovering that close 626 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.799 to the road in the middle of the desert looking 627 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.640 for speeders. So I knew right away that that couldn't 628 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.279 be the case. And that's when it popped in my 629 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.599 head that maybe this has something to do with the 630 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:58.599 whole Voice Got Area fifty want. So I had brought 631 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.599 my binoculars, which I usually kept in the car, grabbed them, 632 00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.559 and I'm trying to get a glimpse of these lights 633 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.519 over the road before I get there, just in pace. 634 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:11.800 It doesn't stick around and it's gone by the time 635 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.199 I drive to this location. So I'm driving. I mean, 636 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.880 I'm probably doing seventy five miles an hour on a 637 00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:22.119 two lane highway with binoculars trying to look at some 638 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:26.639 far distant off object, which was a bad idea because 639 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.280 I instantly started swerving the car because you know, your 640 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.760 mind just doesn't work if you try to use binoculars 641 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.000 while you're driving at the same time to it. So 642 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.880 I decided to just blore it at that point, you know, 643 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.440 just get there as fast as I could. Within a 644 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.639 few minutes, I'm pulling up underneath multiple lights. It was 645 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.960 just at my first site was there were nine round 646 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:56.119 white lights and a kind of arrow arrowhead, you know, 647 00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.440 kind of point formation, fifteen feet to twenty feet above road, 648 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.719 with the tip of it right above me. I parked 649 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.719 directly underneath the craft and stopped there in the middle 650 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.280 of the road looking out, you know, at the window 651 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.519 road down looking out, and I can see that there's 652 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:17.840 a black triangular formation that's connected to lights. Because you 653 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.239 can see the sky. Las Vegas puts out a lot 654 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.840 of light pollution and you can see the city a 655 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.199 good ways away before you even get to it. So 656 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.920 the sky really isn't that dark when you're that close 657 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.599 to the city. So it was the background was still 658 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.599 pretty barely lit for a night sky, that the craft 659 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.679 was darker than the night sky, and it was low 660 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.960 enough that when I looked to the horizon from where 661 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.880 I'm at, there's a mountain range to the north that road, 662 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.679 and the craft was so low that the rear end 663 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.480 of it was blocking out my view of the horizon, 664 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.199 the mountain point. And it was an equal aderable black 665 00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.679 triangle with nine white lights on it, which the tip 666 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:03.880 was right above me and dead silent, completely silent. It 667 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.719 was breezy that night. The wind is blowing through the brush. 668 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.320 I could hear the brush and the noise that the 669 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.400 wind was making blowing through that over If this was 670 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.960 making any noise, it was quieter than that. So I 671 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.400 decided to do a few test, you know, because I 672 00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:23.800 know typically a lot of times cars power failure shorts 673 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.679 things of that nature of son no power failure at all. 674 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.400 Car stayed on the entire time. I'm slamm, I'm on 675 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:35.360 my gas, you know, because I'm in a park this time, 676 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.360 and just revenue engine. I can fill the car swaying 677 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:42.039 back and forth from the engine revenue, no problem. There 678 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.280 no failures on the vehicle at all. I rolled that out. 679 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.840 So I decided to just study the light bulbs on 680 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.639 this thing, because the craft was so dark that you 681 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:59.440 couldn't see any detail whatsoever on the skin of this object, 682 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.360 and nothing stuck out that could tell me anything about 683 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.320 the skin of the craft. And you know, for as 684 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.159 bright as these lights were and reflecting off the highway 685 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.519 and the desert next to it. None of that was 686 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.199 bouncing off whatever you know this craft. 687 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:17.440 Was made of. 688 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.079 It just did not reflect by. So I figured, you know, 689 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.039 pointless to try to get anything from the skin an 690 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.519 they craft. But the lights offered on an amazing amount 691 00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.599 of detail. I was close enough that I can see 692 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.960 entrit in details and the lights. So the light bulbs 693 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:42.360 themselves were what shocked me because they were surprisingly normal 694 00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:46.960 man made kind of bulbs. I mean they looked like 695 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.760 Edison filament. Well they were Edison filament bulbs. Did it 696 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.239 even look they were Edison filament bulbs. So if you 697 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.079 can imagine an outdoor spotlight on the inside of the lights, 698 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.639 you know, you got your cone shape, where got the 699 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.440 mirror finish on it. You got the cone shape on 700 00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.960 the inside with a mirror finish out the center of it. 701 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.519 You got the two wires that come up, and then 702 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.559 you've got a looping wire that goes between it, which 703 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:16.719 burns a hot orange. The face of this bulb basically 704 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.559 has like the diamond plated pattern you see on the 705 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.719 old chrome vehicles back in the day. It's got like 706 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.960 a diamond plate pattern, but it's just an an embossed 707 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.480 diffuse pattern on the glass, which looks like it was 708 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.719 on the inside of the glass, not the outside. The 709 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.320 outside of the glass bulb looks like it was smooth, 710 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:41.480 whereas this diamond pattern would have been on the inside, 711 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.039 embossed on the inside of that. So these light bulbs 712 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.800 were just rest real. I mean, there is nothing alien 713 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:51.880 about these light bulbs at all. That look fantastic for 714 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.679 futuristic or hundreds if not thousands of years beyond our technology. 715 00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:59.599 It looked like I could have gone down a home 716 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:05.360 deep bottle them. So that really shocked me, and I 717 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.119 decided that I wanted to get an even better look 718 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.920 at these light bulbs with my binoculars because I thought 719 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.880 maybe there might be some markings that are on the 720 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.920 bulb so they can't see, but I might be able 721 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:19.800 to see what the binoculars and I had thrown them 722 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.000 in the back seats when I was trying to get 723 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:23.840 a look at it while I was driving, so I'm 724 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.719 reaching behind me trying to grab these binoculars, can't find them, 725 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.199 So I knew I was going to have to take 726 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.440 my light eyes off the object for a moment and 727 00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.559 grab the monoculars so really quick. I look behind me, 728 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.159 see them, spot them, grab them, turn back round. The 729 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:42.880 damn things gone, I mean like that. And I heard 730 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.960 nothing too. It's like when I turn around and grab 731 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.320 it turned back, there was nigh lanth you know, a 732 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.760 woosh or an engine sound or anything. It's just gone. 733 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.440 So I'm scanning the horizon looking at well. My first 734 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:55.679 thought was look up, you know, because I figure it's 735 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.159 going to be flying up in a way. 736 00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:58.400 No, it was. 737 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:00.880 It was on the ground. I spot it to my 738 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.280 seven o'clock position, hugging the ground as it's flying away 739 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.360 at like a helicopter speed, like a path moving helicopter. 740 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.159 So this thing is hugging the ground. And at this 741 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.159 point I can now see the top of the graph 742 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:17.000 and it was basically a short tetrahedron, you know, a 743 00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:21.559 three sided pyramid basically, but short. The lights are still on, 744 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.920 so it's illuminating the ground as it moves away. And 745 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.920 the weird thing about it was it's the way it 746 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.679 hugged the ground. It's still kept the same distance as 747 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.320 it was when it was over my car or over 748 00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:38.280 the highway, but it followed the contour of the ground. 749 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:41.119 So if the ground went up, it went up. The 750 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.159 ground went down, it went down. But it was a 751 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.000 lot like it always maintained a certain distance from the ground, 752 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:49.599 whether it's fifteen feet twenty feet, it just kept that 753 00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:53.639 at all times. So I'm watching it. I have my 754 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.519 binoculars in hand, so I'm watching it now fore the 755 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.920 binoculars the whole time as it's leaving, and you know, 756 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.880 it heads straight for a while, and then it pivots 757 00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:07.800 instantly on a dime and heads due north towards the 758 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.639 mountain range and it hits the base of the mountains, 759 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.239 and I'm thinking, at any point it should shoot straight 760 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.320 up in the air and fly off, because that's what 761 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:19.119 I would expect. That's how it's always been done, you know, 762 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.920 at least all the cases I've read, TV shows I watch. 763 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:24.440 You know, these things go up in the air and 764 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.159 they take off right. So what I was about to 765 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.400 see next totally shocked me, because this thing climbed the 766 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.559 mountain side like the freaking foor Bike four. It just 767 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:40.400 basically went up, crawled up the side of this mountain 768 00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.039 and then got to the peak and then dropped down 769 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.880 the other side. Like I've compared it to speed racers 770 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.000 on Star Wars. They hovered just above the grounding kind 771 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.760 of just follow the ground. But that's what I did. 772 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:53.159 It just. 773 00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.239 The side of this mountain. The lights are still on, 774 00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:59.480 so those eliminated the side as goes up and it 775 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.119 just at the side of this mountain and then crawls 776 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:04.719 down the other side. And that was when I lost 777 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:06.360 sight of it. So I stayed there for a while. 778 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.320 I'm expecting it. You know, it's like mountain after mountain 779 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.960 after mountain. It was arranged, so it wasn't like just 780 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.760 one I had to get over. There was more than 781 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.239 a few. I'm thinking I should see it pop up 782 00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:22.519 at any moment, didn't. You know, I completely lost sight 783 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:26.440 of it. After that, I'm totally blown away, and I 784 00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:28.760 still have in my head the message go to area 785 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.599 fifty because I'm not. I'm not anywhere near area. I'm 786 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.400 still fifteen minutes outside of Las Vegas. You know, I 787 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.960 still have a good hour and a half drive if 788 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.199 I speed to get the area of fifty one. So 789 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.760 at that time, I'm thinking this was just an introduction, 790 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.079 I prelude of what's to come. There's still more to come, 791 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.400 so I'm thinking, you know, it's about to get real juicy, 792 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.639 you know, it's about to get crazy. Whatever is awaiting 793 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.159 me at Area fifty one, so I step on it 794 00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:01.840 and continue my drive out right out there, you know, 795 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.679 roughly hour and a half later after that, hung around 796 00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.199 there for a while, but on the drive there, nothing 797 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.199 else happened, normal drive, like any other night. I made 798 00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:14.760 the trip, got out there, sat out there waiting for something, 799 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:19.719 hoping for something, and nothing else happened. So you know, 800 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.039 eventually I gave up, turned around, drove back home to 801 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.440 drive home was uneventful. Nothing else happened on the drive home. 802 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.800 That was it, now, I should say the voice. So 803 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.440 that was my fourth experience with the voice. There would 804 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.800 be a couple more incidents with his voice concerning some 805 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:43.519 accidents with my daughter. And it's through these accidents which 806 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:47.400 gave me a lot more insight into what this voice is, 807 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:49.760 how worse and what it means and all of that. 808 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.119 And then that's the thing. So if I were to 809 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.880 just tell you just my UFO story, you know, a 810 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.360 voice told me if if one had any counter with 811 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.199 his craft, and as I'm you know, I've done a 812 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.760 number of TV shows and other interviews and a lot 813 00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.280 of times the focus is always on the UFO encounter 814 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.880 and that voice and nothing else really gets covered, so 815 00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.159 people come away with the conclusion, well, he's, you know, 816 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.960 an abducteam just as now it's or this voice was 817 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.039 really aliens, or maybe it's some kind of experimental government weapon, 818 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.159 you know, that allows you to hear voices ahead, that 819 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.440 sort of thing. But in this case I can say no, 820 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:33.079 definitely not aliens and definitely not government experiment or anything 821 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:33.800 of that sort. 822 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:44.119 Do you have an interest in the par of normal? 823 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:48.199 You'll love the unex network dot com. 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But my takeaway from that night 837 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.960 was the craft was ours. It wasn't alien, it wasn't 838 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:59.079 extra dimensional, it wasn't anything remotely close to that. It 839 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:04.880 was military. It was an advanced, very advanced exotic Pultion 840 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.280 stealth aircraft. No, of course, what was it doing over 841 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:12.280 a highway in the middle of nowhere and that particular 842 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:16.119 timing and the voice and all that, that's another story altogether. 843 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:20.000 But yeah, for most people, they tend to think that 844 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.679 must have been alien. But I'm one of those few 845 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.039 people like claim what they saw was in fact terrestrial. 846 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:32.280 So that was I didn't even mention the date. That 847 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.119 was March twenty seventh, nineteen ninety six, and the sighting 848 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.639 was from ten pm to ten ten pm, so the 849 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.639 last ten minutes total, no missing time, you know, the 850 00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:44.480 whole well, all my time was accounted for. It wasn't 851 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.360 like I was missing hours or anything like that. So 852 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.039 that incident came and went. I still remained interested in 853 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:56.559 active in the UFO research after that, although my approach 854 00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.320 to the subject had changed. Well, I should say, up 855 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.159 to that point, I thought they're all alien. There are 856 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.400 no man made you with both, there's no susters and 857 00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.639 made you with both. They're straight up all aliens. That 858 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.519 night changed all of that and changed the way I 859 00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:14.440 researched the subject as well. So this would have been 860 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.480 about the year two thousand and two thousand and one Luke, 861 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:24.239 Colorado and ninety nine, my wife and our kids. By 862 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.920 then we had three kids, two boys and a girl. 863 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:32.920 And I've always wanted a daughter, So we had a girl, 864 00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:37.559 baby girl, and late ninety nine. She was a daddy's girl. 865 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.519 And left her, you know, with everything I got and 866 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.280 very attached to her. And one day we lived in 867 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.840 that duplex and the neighbors had a teenage daughter who 868 00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.440 was our babysitter, and I was home by myself, my daughter, 869 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.440 the wife was out with the boys, and the babysitter 870 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.719 came over and wanted to play with, you know, play 871 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.679 with the daughter. She was not even a euro at 872 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:09.039 this time and still crawling stage. So I said sure. 873 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.039 She took you know, to her daughter next door to 874 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.519 play with her. I didn't think anything about it, because 875 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.079 you know, like I said, she's a babysitter. She's watching kids. 876 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:22.199 Before I was in the kitchen and she comes bursting 877 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.760 into the front door, no knock, and just comes bracing 878 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.519 and bursting into the house, yelling my name, screaming my name, 879 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.599 and I knew instantly something was dreadfully wrong by the 880 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.880 tone of her voice. Something was seriously wrong. And I 881 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.159 come out there and I find her holding my daughter, 882 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.119 and she's blue like like, uh, you've ever seen a 883 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:47.559 smurse or you know, Willie Wonka, like upa lumpas she 884 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.719 was that blue. And that was the first time I've 885 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.400 even seen a person turn that blue. I didn't even 886 00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:57.880 know that happens, as I was shocked. On top of 887 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.000 it is my daughter, so that was really hit me. 888 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:04.639 I'm freaking out and I grab her. I can see 889 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.719 she's still conscious because her eyes are moving around and 890 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.639 she looks scared as hell, and I realized she's choking 891 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.480 to death. And I don't know how long I have 892 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:20.679 before she totally just you know, dies, I'm trying to 893 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:22.800 and you know, and on top of it, I had 894 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:27.039 CPR training, but CPR on influence is totally different than 895 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.320 a CPR on an adult. I'm trying to get into 896 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:33.039 her throat to figure out what's lodged in her throat, 897 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.239 what she's choking on, and I couldn't get to it. 898 00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.519 I couldn't figure out what it was. And I'm running 899 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.800 out of ideas, and I know she's running out of time. 900 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.840 So I grab her by her ankles, hang her upside down, 901 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.159 and decide to start jumping up and down while I'm 902 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:51.000 holding on her. And as I come down on the ground, 903 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.880 so it push into her abdomen and I'm hoping gravity 904 00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.239 will do the trick. At the same time, I'm kind of, 905 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.480 you know, doing a little a behind lick in her 906 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.719 abdomen area. And I did this like three or four times, 907 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.519 and then I heard this teak and then I heard 908 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.599 this just vacking noise, this great sucking noise, and instantly 909 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.840 after that this blood curling scream, which was the best 910 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.079 scream I've ever heard of my life, because I knew 911 00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:21.199 she was breathing at that point, you know, and she 912 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.199 was okay, you know, I had to check it out. 913 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.760 Everything was fine, you know, no serious damage. Apparently, when 914 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.119 she was next door, the babysitter decided to go to 915 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.400 a bathroom leave her on the floor by herself, and 916 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.480 she found a dime on the floor and followed it, 917 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.280 so she was, you know, just choking on some coin. 918 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:43.360 But you know, this incident really scarred me because you know, 919 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.519 I was that close to watching my daughter die in 920 00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:51.280 my arms, and that was a dreadful That was probably 921 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.119 the worst feeling I've ever had. And I became like 922 00:50:55.360 --> 00:51:03.639 O c D overprotective of her after that accident. Where 923 00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.159 it was, you know, it was probably over to edge. 924 00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:11.000 We had the staircase in the house, very steep staircase 925 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.400 with the fireplace at the bottom, was like a rock 926 00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:15.480 mantle around it. So if you ever were to fall 927 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.519 down those stairs, at first thing you're going to hit 928 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.599 just run right into this rock fireplace. And of course 929 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.960 we had to you know, blocked off with the child 930 00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.960 safety gates top and bottom. I knew eventually, sooner or later, 931 00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:30.639 because we were there for a while, she's going to 932 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:33.320 have to learn how to navigate those stairs. So when 933 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.519 that day came, anytime I was home and around and 934 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.679 she went either up or down those stairs, I escorted 935 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.960 her up and down those stairs without fail every day 936 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.760 every time. You know, that over protection kind of thing. 937 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.760 I didn't want for falling down the stairs, hitting that fireplace, 938 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.199 or just falling down the stairs in general. So that 939 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.079 went on for a long time. I won't on for 940 00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.840 many many months. I did that where if she was 941 00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.400 going up the stairs, followed her. If she's coming down 942 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:03.639 the stairs, I got in front of her. When I 943 00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:07.679 would escort her, I had this mental kind of exercise 944 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:11.599 I would play in my head as I'm doing that. Basically, 945 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.440 I would imagine her rolling down the stairs from a 946 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.679 specific spot on the stairs. I'm standing in a very 947 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:23.280 specific spot I am. You know, she's wearing very specific things, 948 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.320 rolls down a certain way. And then my reaction to 949 00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.679 that was basically kind of rolled my arms up in 950 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.559 a sea, both of them, and like a breast of shape, 951 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.559 and drop them down to the steps as she rolls 952 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.960 right into my arms and scoop her up. I don't 953 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.400 know why, I just you know, I had this exercise 954 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.199 I came up with my head, and anytime I escorted her, 955 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.480 I would play this exercise, mental exercise in my head 956 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.760 over and over and over, and always the exact same. 957 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.800 I never deviated on his mental exercise. It was the 958 00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:59.000 same mental exercise every time. So, like I said, just 959 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:02.639 went on for a long time until one day I'm 960 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:05.280 watching her go up the stairs and I'm thinking, you know, 961 00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.679 at this point, she hasn't mastered. She's not fallen one time, 962 00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.800 not lost her balance once, pretty much mastered going up 963 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.239 and down the staircase. So I decided I wasn't going 964 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.559 to do it anymore. She had no accidents, she had 965 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.880 no issues. I wasn't worried about it at that point. 966 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:22.719 She was growing up that she could do it. 967 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:24.079 So that was it. 968 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.800 I stopped doing it. A couple more months go by, 969 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:31.840 and one day on my desk in the living room 970 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.400 on my computer, and I heard the voice again, and 971 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.400 a voice tells me, your daughter's going to fall down 972 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.639 the stairs. I'm a bit shocked because by now it's 973 00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:45.400 been probably five close to five years since that last 974 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.159 had heard the voice that night of the UFO count. 975 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.519 But same thing, same as before. I hear the voice 976 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.079 tells me, I hear that, I get that billion of 977 00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.000 my abbing them in my stomach, my gut crunching over. 978 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.360 And I'm thinking, as a little bizarre because my daughter's 979 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:03.920 not even in the house. Well right after I heard 980 00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.559 the voice, she comes walking into the house and walks 981 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:08.679 up to the face of the staircase. I'm like, okay, 982 00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.480 well that's kind of ridiculous. Okay, no, biggie, get up 983 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.000 from my desk, walk up behind her. I'm thinking, how 984 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:17.480 in the hell is she gonna fall? I mean, I'm 985 00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.639 right here, There's no way she's gonna fall. So I 986 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.199 followed her. I got up a few steps, and I 987 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:26.960 stopped and just watched her as she walked up the staircase. 988 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.000 And I'm thinking, she's got this. I mean, the voice 989 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.119 has got to be wrong. There's no way she's gonna fall. 990 00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:37.400 And I watched, standing there and I'm moving, watched her 991 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:39.000 walk all the way up to the top where there's 992 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.559 a landing. She turns you to right and goes up 993 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:43.760 a couple more steps and disappears out of my pute. 994 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.519 At that point, I'm like, what the hell just happened? 995 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:51.000 You know? I you know, this would be my fifth 996 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.920 experience with the voice. It was always right, never wrong, 997 00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.199 always one hundred percent right on the money, and yet 998 00:54:58.159 --> 00:54:59.840 it just told me my daughter was going to fall 999 00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:03.440 down on the stairs and I didn't know. I'm standing there. 1000 00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.800 I watched her walk up the stairs, no problem, just 1001 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:08.840 geared on my view got up to the second floor, 1002 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.159 some kind of lost in my own thoughts at this point, 1003 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.079 kind of dazing off in the direction of the living 1004 00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:17.320 room to decide to kind of behind me. I'm not 1005 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.800 paying attention to the staircase at this point, kind of 1006 00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:23.800 in my confused day's state. I start hearing a screaming. 1007 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:28.239 I quickly realized my wife was in the living room, 1008 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.119 who I did have a view of the staircase, was 1009 00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.400 pointing up the stairs. Even though what she was saying 1010 00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:36.599 I couldn't understand. I just quickly turned around and I 1011 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.519 see my daughter rolling towards me, and it almost like 1012 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:46.039 memory reflex. It felt like like my body automatically just 1013 00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:50.639 knew what to do, how to respond, how to react, 1014 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.679 and it kind of just went into action before I 1015 00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.880 can even think fast enough to put it into action. 1016 00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.960 My body instantly dropped down with my arms and a 1017 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.119 kind of a crescent shape. She rolled right into my arms, 1018 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.519 scooped her up, and that was that. And now I'm 1019 00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.559 really freaking out because I had just watched her get 1020 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:12.159 all the way up to the top of the stairs 1021 00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:15.840 and disappear. Why did she fall down the stairs? And 1022 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:17.960 you know, checked her out? Of course, she was fine 1023 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.199 those serious injuries, other than the little startled and scared. 1024 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.719 Now I'm really rethinking this whole voice thing because what 1025 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:28.920 happened shouldn't have just happened. There was no reason for 1026 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.119 her to fall down those stairs, so I couldn't really 1027 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.840 understand at that point why she did. And on top 1028 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.159 of that, the moment I turned around and looked up 1029 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.360 the staircase and see my daughter as she falls and 1030 00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:44.679 I screwed her up was an exact replica of this 1031 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.320 mental exercise I had been playing in my head for 1032 00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:51.079 day on day, month after month. It was like I 1033 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:54.280 had just actually seen the mental exercise come to life, 1034 00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:59.280 you know, and full blown living three D picture. So 1035 00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.039 that threw me for a loop as well, you know what, 1036 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:06.199 what the hell is his voice? So another week goes 1037 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:10.159 by and we decided to go visit some friends out 1038 00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:13.679 in the country who used to be our neighbors that 1039 00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.280 had moved away. So we went out there to visit them. 1040 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:19.639 It was on a big property a long ass driveway. 1041 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:23.719 When we go to visit, I felt awkward about parking 1042 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:25.440 in front of their place. I kind of parked at 1043 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:26.880 the end of the driveway, even though it was a 1044 00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:31.280 good driveway. It was a long stretch. I parked near 1045 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:35.440 the end of it, and we were there for a while. 1046 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:39.199 I decided to step outside for a cigarette break, and 1047 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.159 sitting here smoking cigaret, I'm outside by myself and I 1048 00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.599 hear the voice again, and the voice tells me your 1049 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.719 daughter is going to get her handslammed in the car door. 1050 00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.119 Same physical sensation as all the other times. And I'm 1051 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:55.119 again thinking this is ridiculous because the kids are nowhere. 1052 00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:57.400 All the kids are inside now, none of the kids 1053 00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:59.800 are outside. I'm by myself. They're nowhere near the car 1054 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.599 carslet idea of the driveway. So I kind of brush 1055 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:05.719 it off. I think there's no way, even though every 1056 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:07.960 time I hear it it's always accurate. It's always right on. 1057 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:12.280 The youngest, my middle child, and my second son, comes 1058 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:16.199 outside and he wanted to get some toys that we 1059 00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.039 had brought out of the car. So I said sure, 1060 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.239 he was old enough he could walk down to the car, 1061 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.400 you know, open up the door, grab his stuff. Doesn't 1062 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:27.000 put any thought into it. So he walks over to 1063 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:31.320 the car, opens up a passenger door, and is just 1064 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:35.440 standing there, kind of just goofing off grabbing his stuff. 1065 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:37.800 But he's just kind of just hanging out there with 1066 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.360 the door open. A little bit after and my daughter 1067 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:43.440 comes outside, and I was thinking, okay, okay, I can 1068 00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.400 I can kind of see it coming together now, I 1069 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.079 can kind of get a picture of what's going to happen, 1070 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.719 so for no problem, you know, I can look this 1071 00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.199 in the butt before it happens. So I yelped my 1072 00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:59.159 son close the car door, and he's just playing stupid 1073 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.760 at me, like, Dad, what I can't hear you. I'm 1074 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:07.000 yelling close to the car door, what uh? And he's 1075 00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:10.320 just ignoring me, blow me off. And I keep yelling 1076 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:14.880 at him close to goddamn car door, and he's just 1077 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:17.400 these he refuses, he's not going to do it. And 1078 00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:20.639 my daughter, who sees him out at the car, is 1079 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.960 walking towards the car just to kind of curiosity see 1080 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.320 what her brother's doing. I keep yelling at him and 1081 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:30.800 close the car door. He's blowing me off. My daughter 1082 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.159 is now coming along the driver's sides, you know, the 1083 00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.840 front of the car space, and me she's coming and 1084 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.960 the driver's side and trying to walk around the back 1085 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:41.920 end of the car and come up behind them. I 1086 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.800 finally decided to just book. It run for the car 1087 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.519 as fast as I can get the car door shut 1088 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.199 before she gets to it. So I'm running for the 1089 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:55.559 car full speed. My son, who had been blowing me 1090 00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:57.880 off and ignoring me it wasn't even paying attention. He 1091 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.400 looked up he saw me running at him full speed, 1092 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:04.199 and he just had that like, oh crap, I'm about 1093 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:06.920 to get my ass whoop book on his face, and 1094 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.079 without even thinking twice, he just grabbed a car door 1095 01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:13.360 and slammed his shut. Just at the exact moment my 1096 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.320 daughter came up right behind him and had reached into 1097 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:22.760 the car, and she got her hand just into the car, 1098 01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:25.920 you know, the car opening when the door got slammed 1099 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:30.079 on shut completely closed. I mean, I was amazed when 1100 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:33.119 I walked up, the dark door was completely closed, and 1101 01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:37.119 yet she somehow had her complete hand stuck in the door. 1102 01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:39.800 I immediately opened the car door and freed her hand 1103 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:45.039 and was amazed. She had no cuts, no bruises, no 1104 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:48.159 broken bones. Other than you know, it scared the hell 1105 01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.079 out of her. Of course, she is screaming and yelling. 1106 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.039 You know, my son too is freaking out because he's 1107 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:55.400 thinking he's about to get you know, a good whip him, 1108 01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:59.199 and I'm just kind of flabbercatted again by this voice 1109 01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.480 like it happened. And yet I thought I could stop 1110 01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:04.960 what was going to happen. I thought it could change 1111 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:07.440 the future. Even though I knew what was going to 1112 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.679 happen happen, I thought I had some kind of control 1113 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.280 to be able to change it or prevent it from happening. 1114 01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.519 And it was then I realized that my actions were 1115 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:20.400 actually producing the results that I was trying to prevent 1116 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.800 that I couldn't have easily predicted on my own. And 1117 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.000 it takes some more time thinking about it after. But 1118 01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:29.519 there was a third accident, a third and final accident 1119 01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:33.079 with my daughter. Basically I was in the kitchen, my 1120 01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.039 boys were outside on the swing set. And this one 1121 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.360 was a little bit different because I didn't hear the 1122 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.920 voice this time, but I saw a vision. So in 1123 01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:46.199 a kitchen, and I get that stomach sensation at filling 1124 01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:49.199 in my gut, but instead of hearing a voice, actually 1125 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:53.159 see a vision kind of just pops up in front 1126 01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:56.800 of me like that like a projector screen kind of 1127 01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.840 just instantly right in front of me. It kind of 1128 01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.280 like a circle is kind of void, and I see 1129 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:05.559 my daughter walking up to the swing set, my boys 1130 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.840 on it, and she gets kicked in the head by 1131 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:11.719 my oldest. She's swinging on it, she's not paying attention. 1132 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.880 She basically walks into him as he kicks her in ahead, 1133 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.800 kicks her to the ground, and my daughter had just 1134 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.320 walked out the back door just when it's happened. So 1135 01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:25.320 my first reaction was just start screaming her name, Catherine, 1136 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.679 you know, Catherine. I started screaming her name, and right 1137 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:32.119 after that I hear her wailing and crying, and I 1138 01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:35.280 already knew what had happened. I run out of the backyard. 1139 01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:37.800 Of course, she's lying on the ground on the swing set. 1140 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:41.000 My oldest said, no, it's swinging, not paying attention. She 1141 01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:44.480 wasn't paying attention, kicked her in the head really good, 1142 01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:50.079 and yelling at him what happened. And basically at the 1143 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:52.960 point when I started yelling her name, she turned her 1144 01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:56.639 direction to the house, you know, towards me as she 1145 01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:00.199 kept walking towards the swing set, and of course out 1146 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.320 into by my son. After that incident, I'm really freaking 1147 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:07.000 out now because this is like a third accident with 1148 01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:10.159 my daughter with this voice, and like a short time period, 1149 01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:12.440 you know, with all the other experiences with the voice, 1150 01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:15.880 I mean, you know, many of them were years apart 1151 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.880 before I would hear the voice, And here it was. 1152 01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:23.199 I had free incidents all of my daughter within you know, 1153 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.000 within a month, just weeks apart from each, and I 1154 01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:28.519 was worried now that it wasn't going to stop. I 1155 01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:30.360 didn't know how to control it. I didn't know how 1156 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:32.679 to stop it. I was afraid that it was going 1157 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.119 to just continue until one accident that eventually killed my daughter. 1158 01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:41.679 So at that point I was just really scared shitless 1159 01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:47.639 of what was going to come next. So I started realizing, 1160 01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:51.000 though that it seems this voice somehow seems to be 1161 01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:56.159 influenced by my thoughts, my focus. So I started to 1162 01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:59.880 change the way I think about things and look at things, 1163 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:03.719 and that seemed to have done the trick. And that 1164 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:05.679 was the last time I heard the voice and the 1165 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:10.199 last experience I had with it, but certainly not the 1166 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.760 end of my trying to better understand what this voice 1167 01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:17.119 is and how it works and what it means. Kind 1168 01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:20.360 of a long drawn out story with his voice. And 1169 01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.800 there's people, you know, are you schizophrenic, are you crazy 1170 01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:29.800 doing drugs? Are you hallucinating or even in the case 1171 01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:33.760 of the UFONE counter, you know, was this voice maybe 1172 01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:38.239 it was a disembodied spirit to ghost. Is it a 1173 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:40.679 you know, God? Is it the devil? 1174 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:41.079 Is it? 1175 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.440 There's just so many things because aliens, you know, government 1176 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:51.039 some secret contraction. After the accident with my daughter, I 1177 01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:56.079 began working on precognition to better understand what precognition is, 1178 01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.440 how it works, what it means, because every time I 1179 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.000 dealt with his voice, it always dealt with the future 1180 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:04.679 event that was going to happen. So, you know, at 1181 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:08.679 first it began as just radar ability. I thought it 1182 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.559 was just some weird gift I had for a detecting 1183 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.079 police and then after the softball incident, I realized it 1184 01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:16.960 was something far more than that. By the time I 1185 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.440 had the UFO encounter, I thought it was some type 1186 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:24.239 of precognitive ability, and after the incident with my daughter, 1187 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.360 I still kind of lean towards that, but I think 1188 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:29.360 there's something far more to it than that, because not 1189 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:32.880 only was it precognitive, but it was self fulfilling. You know, 1190 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.320 it wasn't just predicting the future. It was causing the 1191 01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:39.480 future to happen through ways I could never have possibly predicted. 1192 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.400 I mean it would be like saying, say, you're really 1193 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:47.000 into meteorites, you love meteors, you go media hunting all 1194 01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:49.280 the time, and you would really just like to catch 1195 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.280 one live. So one day you have a voye tell 1196 01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:53.960 you go to the park, you know, and you do, 1197 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.480 and you grab a bucket because you think, you get 1198 01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:58.159 this impression there was going to be a metea there. 1199 01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.000 And you get to the park and you're holding your bucket. 1200 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:02.679 Boom out of the sky, I meteor drops the lands 1201 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:04.400 right in your buck I mean, what would be the 1202 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:07.559 audice like that happening. That's what we're talking about, is 1203 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:13.920 something incredibly weird but specific like that. So what I 1204 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:18.159 learned was and what my research led me to conclude, 1205 01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:21.639 is there's a number of things we're wrong about or 1206 01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.480 we just haven't figured out yet, and one of them 1207 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.800 is the way causality works. Of course, causality is a 1208 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.559 cornerstone of science, you know, cause and effect. We grew 1209 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.280 up with that in grade school. Or every action is 1210 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:37.679 an equal and opposite reaction. You know, one thing leads 1211 01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:41.119 to another, and we're all here because just a sequence 1212 01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.599 of events that just chain reactions that leads to this 1213 01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.880 moment right now. But that's only half the story. What 1214 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:54.320 I've learned is that retro causality is the other half 1215 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:57.159 of the story that we're going to learn about. That 1216 01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:02.800 not only is this moment influenced by the past, but 1217 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:06.480 it's also being influenced by the future. So it's kind 1218 01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.480 of a combination that the past and the future influencing 1219 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:12.239 this moment at the same time. So how exactly does 1220 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:16.719 the future influence the past? Everyone has experienced it and 1221 01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:20.599 they just don't realize it. And if you've ever experienced synchronicity, 1222 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.639 you've experienced the future influenced the past would be one example. 1223 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:32.679 And Carl Young would say synchronicity is basically meaningful connections 1224 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:37.840 between events that are not causally related and otherwise there's 1225 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:41.039 no cause and effect between what would be like you're 1226 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:44.679 at home watching TV. You suddenly think about an old 1227 01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.079 high school brand you haven't talked to in decades. They 1228 01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:51.199 pop in your mind out of the blue. There's not 1229 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:53.960 so many normally think about next thing, you know, your 1230 01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:57.000 phone rings and guess who's on the phone? This high 1231 01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.920 school frand you think how weird? And also fromicity right there, 1232 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.760 I was just thinking about you and here you call me. 1233 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:06.559 There must be some meaning. It's like the universe is 1234 01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:09.400 talking to me. And then that's a lot of times 1235 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:11.599 the approach we take with things like that, we tend 1236 01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:13.800 to think there's some kind of special meaning to it. 1237 01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:17.319 The universe is talking to you, it must mean something. 1238 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:21.159 It's a sign. Well, actually it was. It was just 1239 01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:25.079 the future and listen in the past. You're just picking 1240 01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:28.520 up on your recept to it. We all are. I 1241 01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:31.560 know there's been tests done on us where I can't 1242 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:34.720 remember the details, but basically, essentially, you're watching a video. 1243 01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:38.119 People just test subjects are watching this video and they're 1244 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:42.000 reacting to images just split seconds before they're showing these 1245 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.760 you know, disturbing images. They caused some physical reactions. So 1246 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:48.479 it's something we all can do. It's just in my 1247 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:51.800 case I seem to have fine tuned to the point 1248 01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.800 where I get actually produced the events. So with retro 1249 01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:03.039 causality and synchronicity, fernicity is where you're receptive to the future, 1250 01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:07.800 but that reception doesn't necessarily cause that event to happen. 1251 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:10.800 In the case with the person phone call from a 1252 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:13.319 high school plan, he thought about his high school friend 1253 01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:15.960 before he got the phone call, but his thinking about 1254 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.920 it didn't cause the phone call happen. So there's a 1255 01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:23.319 relationship there, but there's no cause effect on the future. 1256 01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:25.800 Influenced the past, but the past didn't turn around and 1257 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.840 in the future and influence the future. Whereas and say, 1258 01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:35.000 each of my situations with the voice, especially with my daughter, 1259 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:40.079 we have a situation where a potential future event influenced 1260 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:44.640 the past and that influence thereby caused that future event 1261 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:48.640 to happen. So as a closed time move I also 1262 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:53.800 called a bootstrap paradox, where seemingly information comes into existence 1263 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.840 from nowhere and causes a series of events to happen 1264 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.960 that otherwise would. So the way it works is I 1265 01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:04.119 eventually came up with a theory about a control system, 1266 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:07.039 and it might be the same control system that Jacques 1267 01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:10.560 Ballet has probably talked about to some degree. I don't 1268 01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:14.000 know how far he ever got on his control system theory, 1269 01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.399 but essentially I think we might be on the same 1270 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:19.399 page in that regard. So control system theory is this 1271 01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:24.720 that if we think about causality, cosmic effect, that forward 1272 01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:29.720 motion of time, progressive events, it's an automated process. There's 1273 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.520 nothing we have to do to make causality work. It's 1274 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:37.039 just the nature of reality of the universe. Everything abides 1275 01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:41.920 by that rule cosm effect. Now when it comes to 1276 01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:47.880 retrocausality is not as clear cut as that, because there 1277 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.239 needs to be a control system in place to prevent 1278 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.880 basically spacetime paradoxis from occurring. Because when you have a 1279 01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:59.760 future event influenced the past, and you have the possibility 1280 01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:04.880 of causing time paradoxis, and a time travel example would 1281 01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:07.640 be say, if you've traveled back in time and you 1282 01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:12.640 killed your grandfather before he ever had a family, how 1283 01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:15.880 does that happen exactly? I mean, because if you were 1284 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.760 to do that, your grandfather is dead, he never grew 1285 01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:24.560 up raised a family. Therefore it never led to your 1286 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:29.479 eventual birth in existence. So how could you possibly travel 1287 01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:31.920 back in time till your grandfather at the same time 1288 01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:36.279 basically void your existence. So to prevent that from happen, 1289 01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.880 there's a control system in place for retropausal events, and 1290 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:44.800 this control system ensures that such things don't happen. This 1291 01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:48.600 voice and the last example I gave it was a vision, 1292 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:51.039 and most of them it was a voice, and I 1293 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:53.720 can give I'll go into more detail of the differences, 1294 01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:55.680 and the wider is the difference between the two. But 1295 01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:59.359 essentially it doesn't matter if it's a vision, it doesn't 1296 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:02.920 matter voice. Bottom line, what it really is is called 1297 01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.720 the control system. Now previous interviews, I've called it a 1298 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.199 fair signal. I've had a lot of chats with AI 1299 01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:12.800 to work out my theory and ideas, but the control 1300 01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:16.680 signal would be more accurate as to what it is. 1301 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:22.560 So essentially, the control signal is responsible for setting into 1302 01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:26.079 action a certain chain of events that must lead to 1303 01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:29.159 the future event is predicted. So all it is is 1304 01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:32.560 basically a computer function. That's how I look at it 1305 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:35.680 and how I think it's more like makes it more 1306 01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:38.680 cold and calculating, but that's essentially what it is. It 1307 01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:43.199 doesn't care what you think, what you feel. Its only 1308 01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.399 purpose is to ensure that that future event happens. It's 1309 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:49.800 however way it needs to get you there. So like 1310 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:53.279 in the case of my daughter getting her hands, you know, 1311 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:55.560 slammed in the car door, I had no idea at 1312 01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:58.359 that time when I heard the voice that my choices 1313 01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:02.079 would lead up to the accident. It still even though 1314 01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:05.079 at the point I heard the voice, the whole thing 1315 01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:09.199 was programmed. The whole thing was predetermined. So from the 1316 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.840 time I heard that voice to the accident with her 1317 01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:16.760 hand in the door, there is nothing anyone myself included 1318 01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:20.079 could do stop from happening. It was great, and as 1319 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:23.600 part of what this control system does is to step 1320 01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:27.960 in change the program and to ensure that future event happens. 1321 01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:32.399 So we're getting into some really way out there territory 1322 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:35.359 because I know for a lot of people this is 1323 01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:41.359 all new information, new territory. Although science is currently working 1324 01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.960 out problems with retrocausality, they're still not quite there yet. 1325 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.359 So they will be as soon enough, and they'll come 1326 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:51.840 to the same conclusions that I've already reached with retro 1327 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:56.880 Causality is just the flip side of the same coin 1328 01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:03.600 of causality. So you can think causality as evolution. Then 1329 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:08.520 you can compare retro causality to creation. They're basically two 1330 01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:13.279 sides at the same point. Now, retro causality is connected 1331 01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:16.760 to I later learned many things through my research, but 1332 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:21.319 known by many names, and we just weren't aware of it. 1333 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:24.039 So if you think of prayer, if you think of 1334 01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:26.600 the law of attraction, if you think of the secret 1335 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.159 you think of manifesting, These are all the same things. 1336 01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:33.800 I mean, you're known by different names, but under the 1337 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:37.560 hood is all the same thing. That's essentially, say the 1338 01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:42.560 case with my daughter falling down the staircase unknowingly, when 1339 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:46.439 I was doing this mental exercising mental exercise, every time 1340 01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.600 I escorted her up and downstairs, I was essentially creating 1341 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.800 that future event and causing it to happen unknowningly. I 1342 01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:55.840 know if I had known what I was doing, of 1343 01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:58.119 course I wouldn't have. The last thing I want to 1344 01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:00.800 do is, of course, hurt my daughter. And my whole 1345 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:03.239 goal was to protect my daughter. And that brings up 1346 01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:06.399 another point. So what I also learned with this voice, 1347 01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:09.680 the way it works is it comes across in two ways. 1348 01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:12.520 It would come across as information or to come across 1349 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.640 as a command for a demand. So in the case 1350 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:20.119 of my UFO encounter that night, go to area fifty one, 1351 01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:24.199 that would be a command, whereas with my daughter, for examples, 1352 01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:26.680 that would be information. Your daughter's going to fall down 1353 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:28.960 the stairs, your daughter's going to get her hands slammed 1354 01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:31.399 in the court. For the reason it comes across in 1355 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:35.359 two different ways is all dependent on your will. What 1356 01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:38.439 it is you want. So if it comes across as 1357 01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:41.600 a command, is because the outcome is something you want. 1358 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.960 In a case, I wanted to see a UFO, I 1359 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.359 wanted to have post encounter, so it came across as 1360 01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:48.880 a command because the outcome was something I had sought 1361 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:52.720 and desired, So it was fulfilling my will that way. 1362 01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:55.880 In the case of my daughter, after the incident of 1363 01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:59.000 her almost choking to death, my goal was to protect her, 1364 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:03.239 to prevent her from getting injured, to save her, to 1365 01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:07.000 focus being on to save her or the attempt to 1366 01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:11.600 save her. So and that respect, the way it worked 1367 01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:14.159 was the universe kind of saw it as you want 1368 01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:16.159 to try to save your daughter, and put me in 1369 01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:18.960 situations where every time I was trying to save my 1370 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:23.279 daughter certain danger, danger which eventually I found out wharned 1371 01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:27.079 I was the cause of. So in that case, it 1372 01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:31.520 came across this information because basically it's the outcome is 1373 01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:33.920 something you do not want to happen. You're trying to 1374 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:36.920 prevent it from happening, So it comes across this information, 1375 01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:40.520 which at that point you take that information and use 1376 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:43.920 that information to try to stop that event from occurring, 1377 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:46.680 and only find out that it's self fulfilling, bringing you 1378 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:50.239 back to the bootstrap paradox. So that and a large 1379 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:53.439 part is, you know, what I spent my time doing 1380 01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:57.359 after the last accident and deviating more from the whole 1381 01:16:57.439 --> 01:17:03.039 UFO subject and getting warranto and recognition, retropasality, synchronicity and 1382 01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:05.920 that sort of thing, was trying to better understand what 1383 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:09.239 that all means and implies and working out a system 1384 01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:15.119 for how that works and what that means for basically reality. 1385 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:26.520 Are you intrigued by paranormal talk radio? You love the 1386 01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:31.239 new Paranormal Radio app from talkstream Live. You'll find a 1387 01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.800 great selection of talk shows covering UFOs, ghosts, strange phenomena, 1388 01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:39.800 and much more. Download the Paranormal Radio app now and 1389 01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:43.079 start listening to the very best in paranormal talk entertainment, 1390 01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:46.800 including the network you're listening to right now. The Paranormal 1391 01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:50.960 Radio app free in Google Play and the iOS app Store. 1392 01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:58.920 The interesting thing with your account is it isn't the 1393 01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:02.680 UFO that you witnessed. It's his voice. And this is 1394 01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:06.920 quite evidently something that we all have all we've all 1395 01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:09.720 experienced the phone call from a friend that we haven't 1396 01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:13.319 spoke to in years, we've all heard that song come 1397 01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:15.720 on the radio that we were just thinking about that 1398 01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.920 this would suggest things are supposed to happen. In the 1399 01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:21.720 case of your daughter when she called a hand in 1400 01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:25.319 the car, if it wasn't for you being overly concerned 1401 01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:27.800 she was going to hurt herself. You kind of set 1402 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.279 the stage for it to happen. You were telling your 1403 01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:32.960 son to shut the door. Thus she then catches her 1404 01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:33.479 hand in it. 1405 01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:37.199 Exactly. Yeah, So that was what really struggled when when 1406 01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:39.640 I had those accidents with the daughter. That was really 1407 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:42.560 when it struck calm that something's just not right, that 1408 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.800 there's a lot more behind this voice than just the 1409 01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:50.680 simple concept of precognition. That it's not just knowing what 1410 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.880 the future is, it's causing that future. Because if it 1411 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:57.239 hadn't been for the voice, it would have never happened, 1412 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:01.840 would never even occurred. The voice, I realized, was programming 1413 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.479 these events to happen. But then I had to figure out, well, 1414 01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.119 why why would his voice be doing that? Why would 1415 01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:09.119 it put my daughter in danger? And I realized, you know, 1416 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.800 after that accident with my daughter, that you know, my 1417 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:15.960 whole mindset was I got to save my daughter. I 1418 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:20.359 was in that kind of save my daughter mentality. So naturally, 1419 01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:22.880 this voice thought, that's what I want, you know, I 1420 01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:25.720 want to be put in these situations where I'd tried 1421 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.920 to save my daughter from some kind of accidents or 1422 01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:32.680 catastrophe that's going to happen to it. I realized then 1423 01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:36.039 too that you know, we grow up, we go to 1424 01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:38.279 grade school and all that we're taught that there's the 1425 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:42.039 materialistic world around us, and then there's an internal one 1426 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:44.920 in our mind, you know, our consciousness, and there are 1427 01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:47.479 two different things, and there's no connection between the two. 1428 01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:52.439 Your mind has no influence or control over the materialistic 1429 01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:57.039 world around you. And I've learned that there's absolutely no 1430 01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.079 truth to that at all. But certainly the mind and 1431 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:03.960 plays a big part and what we experience in the 1432 01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:08.119 world around us, and in the end, maybe everything. There 1433 01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:10.399 are a couple of experiences I had in my childhood 1434 01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:13.560 where I encountered the angel, the dog man or a 1435 01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:16.359 werewolf onto a case. I don't know if you're familiar 1436 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:20.479 with false awakenings. So my first encounter was when I 1437 01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:23.840 was seven years old with this false awakening, and I 1438 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:26.000 had woke up. I said, I was seven, I was 1439 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:27.880 going to go to the bathroom, get a drink of water. 1440 01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:31.319 Middle nights shared a bunk bed with my brother, shared 1441 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:33.199 a room, so I was on the top bunk. I'm 1442 01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.119 climbing down the bump about the walk across the room 1443 01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:42.000 towards the door, and I felt this really uneasy, really 1444 01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:44.840 just scared us out of you, kind of feeling like 1445 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:49.079 something is really really wrong. I look out our window 1446 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:52.079 and we had these like white sheer curtains on our 1447 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:55.159 bedroom window that you can mostly see through. You know, 1448 01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:57.319 you can't see everything, but you can get a good, 1449 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:01.000 good idea through these sheer curtains what you're looking at. 1450 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:03.279 And of course it goes to our backguard. But off 1451 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:06.239 of the distance in the backyard, I see these red 1452 01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:11.159 lights in the backyard and I'm thinking, oh shit, you know, 1453 01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:14.880 there's someone in our backguard with these red flashlights, Like 1454 01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:17.800 what the hell is that? And I'm thinking, I need 1455 01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:20.720 to go wake up my parents and tell them there's someone, 1456 01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:22.640 you know, in our yard. They might try to break 1457 01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:25.279 in the house. So I see the lights there. You know, 1458 01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:27.640 we're in the back corner of our backguard. They're approaching 1459 01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:30.600 the house and they disappear out of you. So I 1460 01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:35.159 finished walking across the bedroom, put my hand on the 1461 01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:40.119 doorknob and about to leave the room, when I stopped 1462 01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:45.439 because then I got a really really freaked out, uneasy building, 1463 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:50.039 like something was really really wrong. And facing the door, 1464 01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:53.520 one hand on the doorknob, turn my head over my shoulder, 1465 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:59.000 and I see this big silhouette. We had a humongous 1466 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:01.119 like street light kind of on the back end of 1467 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.960 our driveway that would illuminate the whole backyard, and it 1468 01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:08.600 shines into our bedroom. So tall ass dark silhouettes starts 1469 01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:14.039 shining against our window. And I realized then that these 1470 01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:18.119 weren't like red flashlights. But there was red eyes and 1471 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:22.239 this tall creature and it had a silhouette of like 1472 01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:25.880 a dog, and it had these two eyes or almond shape, 1473 01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:31.159 glowing blood red and glowing enough that the eyes put 1474 01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:32.239 out its own lights. 1475 01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:32.560 You know. 1476 01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:36.479 The red light was like illuminating our room. It was 1477 01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:41.319 like walking past our room, and it stopped and it 1478 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.640 glanced inside the room. And I'm, you know, crapping myself 1479 01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:46.720 at this point because the thing is like looking in 1480 01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:49.760 the room. I'm trying not to breathe, I'm trying not 1481 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:51.840 to do anything. I'm freaking out. What the hell is 1482 01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:54.000 this thing? So I have no clue what the thing is. 1483 01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:57.520 They glanced in, it turns away, and then it starts 1484 01:22:57.560 --> 01:23:01.039 walking past the window. I'm thinking, wow, you know I'm safe. 1485 01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:03.159 But I let out a sigh of relief, and I 1486 01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:05.680 turned my attention back towards the door because I'm about 1487 01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:07.560 to open that door and run my ass off to 1488 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:09.960 my parents, waking the hell up as fast as I can. 1489 01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:12.760 And before I can even do that, I heard this 1490 01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:18.800 large crashing noise the blacks. You know, it's our window exploded. 1491 01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:22.560 I turn around and that thing is standing in our room, 1492 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:25.600 right in front of the window. It's basically like a 1493 01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:29.159 big ass wolf dog, you know, standing on his hind 1494 01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:33.720 legs big guess now, big guss sharp teeth, these shumongous, 1495 01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:37.039 like said almond shaped, red blowing blood eyes. It's just 1496 01:23:37.159 --> 01:23:40.640 standing there staring at me. And the feeling I had 1497 01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:44.000 with this thing is like evil. I mean, if evil 1498 01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:46.640 can be palpable, if you can feel it, if you 1499 01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:48.640 can if it was so thick you can cut it 1500 01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:51.239 in the air night. I've never felt anything in my 1501 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:55.199 life as more evil as whatever this thing was. It's 1502 01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:58.319 just the scariest, freaking killing you've ever had. I mean, 1503 01:23:58.359 --> 01:24:01.640 it would be like, you know, Hitler would probably feel 1504 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:05.359 like a walking apart compared to this thing. This thing 1505 01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:08.039 just you know, was just reeks of it like that 1506 01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:11.520 that were possible. And his eyes when it looks at you, 1507 01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:14.159 it looks it's not looking at you. It's like it's 1508 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:17.239 looking in you, looking through you. It's like it can 1509 01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.119 peer right into your soul. It's just standing there. And 1510 01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:23.720 so it slowly creeps towards me, and I'm paralyzed at 1511 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:27.039 this wall point. I can't move, I can't scream. I'm 1512 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.399 screaming inside my head. Mom, Dad, Mom, dad, you know, 1513 01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:33.600 but nothing's coming out, not, you know, nothing at all. 1514 01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:37.119 Watching this thing take its time walking across, you know, 1515 01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:40.640 like towards me, and it finally gets right in my 1516 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:44.520 face and it hunches over and it tilts his head 1517 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.520 to one side, and it opens its snout and it 1518 01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:51.479 puts his head. It never touches me, but he kind 1519 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:55.439 of places this nowt where you know, it's on either 1520 01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:58.760 side of my head, and then he slowly closes his 1521 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.399 mouth on my head. And at that moment, whom I 1522 01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:05.560 find myself back to bed, same situation as before. 1523 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:06.600 And what was the. 1524 01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:10.199 Weirdest when I woke up. When I first woke up, 1525 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:13.279 before getting off the bed to go have a drink 1526 01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:16.359 of water, I woke up in a fetal position instantly, 1527 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:19.720 like you woke up and you instantly assumed the fetal position, 1528 01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:25.680 like like a memory reflux. So that happened, you know, 1529 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.520 I had to eat the situation, this encounter, whatever you 1530 01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:30.840 want to call it, and then I find myself back 1531 01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:34.000 in bed instantly. I had no idea what thing was. 1532 01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:36.800 I nicknamed it the dog me because it looked like 1533 01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:38.720 you know, I walked like a man and it looked 1534 01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:40.479 like a dog. I had no idea what it was. 1535 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:44.119 This was would have been around nineteen eighty. You know, 1536 01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:46.680 we didn't have a lot of like kids today was 1537 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:50.039 exposure to the internet, Google everything else you got hans on. 1538 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:52.479 You know, you only had a couple of TV channels 1539 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:55.920 back then. I didn't have a lot of exposure in 1540 01:25:56.000 --> 01:26:01.000 My parents sheltered me from scary stuff. So no really 1541 01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:04.199 idea of really what this thing was. And I didn't 1542 01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:09.119 tell anyone about it about that night because I was 1543 01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:11.880 so scared of this thing that I was afraid just 1544 01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:15.640 mentioning it would bring back its wrath would agree and 1545 01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.960 would be like an invitation of asking him back, so 1546 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:22.560 I was scared to even speak his name. The weird 1547 01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:28.119 thing happened was shortly after that night with this or 1548 01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:30.800 whatever you know, this dog man, when I had got 1549 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:32.760 off the bed and I looked in the backyard and 1550 01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:35.960 I saw those eyes, which I thought at the time 1551 01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.880 of flashlights. It was standing next to a tree. And 1552 01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:42.920 a couple of months later, one morning, I woke up 1553 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.880 in this pitch dark room and I thought, you know, 1554 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.159 I know it's day. I know I woke up this morning, 1555 01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:51.439 so it must be a you know, stormy outside. It 1556 01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:53.720 must be a good overcast when me get a good 1557 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:56.039 rainy day, which for me I loved because we had 1558 01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:57.920 this creek that ran in out backyard and as kids, 1559 01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:01.199 we'd play in his creek. So I go throw up 1560 01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:05.880 in the curtains and our view is completely blocked by 1561 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:09.000 all this foliage, and I realized I'm staring at a tree. 1562 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:13.640 It's completely covered, pressed up against our bedroom window, Like 1563 01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:16.159 what the hell? And I run and tell my parents 1564 01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:18.960 there's a tree up against our window. We go in 1565 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:22.479 the backyard and sure enough, the tree had came down 1566 01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:25.600 in the middle of the night in our backyard, which 1567 01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:28.560 was really weird because no one woke up. No one 1568 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:30.840 had You would think if a tree falls down and 1569 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:34.239 hits the house in the middle of the night, you know, 1570 01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:37.079 it would draw some kind of attention. But none of 1571 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:39.720 us had any clue. We go in the backyard and 1572 01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:41.840 sure enough, I said, their tree had fallen down, not 1573 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:44.640 just a tree, but that tree, that tree that that 1574 01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:48.000 thing was standing next to, and it snapped at the 1575 01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:51.000 base of this tree. It wasn't like it was. There 1576 01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:53.479 was no storm that night, it wasn't windy, so it 1577 01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:56.439 wasn't struck by lightning. It wasn't blown over by a tree. 1578 01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:59.960 It wasn't cut down. There's no axe, no chainsaw something 1579 01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:02.880 and snapped it right at the base. It was just splintered, 1580 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:06.079 like it just grabbed it and just ripped it right 1581 01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:08.439 at the base. And the tree the way it fell, 1582 01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:11.239 and it hadn't been any taller, it would have came 1583 01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:13.720 in right on top of me because it was pointing 1584 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:16.079 directly at me. So if it had been tall enough, 1585 01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:18.199 it would have come down on our roof, right over 1586 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:18.680 my bunk. 1587 01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:19.239 That you know. 1588 01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:22.840 Thankfully it wasn't. But yeah, I still didn't say anything 1589 01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:24.960 for my parents at the time because that, you know, 1590 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:27.239 that still freaked me and the only thing on my 1591 01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:29.479 mind was that's the tree, you know, that's that's the 1592 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:32.800 tree was standing next to. And you know, it scared 1593 01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.720 me even more because now I'm thinking, whatever that thing was, 1594 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:38.479 it had something to do with that tree, and there 1595 01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:42.119 was no explanation. You know, it wasn't like or termites 1596 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:45.199 anything like that was the way the base of that 1597 01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:49.680 tree was broke. It splintered like something just like you 1598 01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:53.359 break a toothpick. So you know, the dad cut it up. 1599 01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:55.600 We used that as fire wood. We had a fireplace, 1600 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:57.840 got a plenty of firewoks for a long time for that, 1601 01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.399 and I was scared shitles was for a long time 1602 01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:05.199 after that happened because anytime I was outside at night 1603 01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:08.520 and the dark, I was always on the alert for 1604 01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:12.359 those eyes in the dark, you know, always waiting for 1605 01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:15.520 that thing to come back. And eventually it did many 1606 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:19.239 years later, when I was twelve years old. We lived 1607 01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:22.079 in Germany at the time, and again I was still 1608 01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:25.359 sharing a bunk bed bedroom with my brother. We had 1609 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:28.359 like a three story house, you know, a two story 1610 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:31.520 house with the basement base. So I woke up again. 1611 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:33.319 I was decided I was going to go down to 1612 01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.000 the main floor to the kitchen, get a glass of water, 1613 01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:40.039 wake up, leave the room, walk down the staircase as again. 1614 01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:42.840 Come down the staircase. The hallway is lit up, and 1615 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:45.399 the way the German houses were built, everything's cloth off, 1616 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:48.399 so that stair the staircase, going from the top of 1617 01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:50.399 the bottom, it is like a room. And myself and 1618 01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:54.359 our living room had a glass door, and I can 1619 01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:57.399 tell the TV was on because it was illuminating the 1620 01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:02.640 hallway on the main floor. So realize my dad must 1621 01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:07.159 have slept on the couch that night watching TV. Get 1622 01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:11.319 the main floor landing and get to the dining room door, 1623 01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:13.600 which was directly in front of the staircase, put my 1624 01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:15.880 hand on the door knob, and then I was suddenly 1625 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:22.399 just overtaken with that. Just horrid, something wrong, something evil, 1626 01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:26.199 filling just that worst got off the filling. It didn't 1627 01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:29.399 click right away. But I turned around and looking towards 1628 01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:31.920 the basement. You know, it's a staircase of stacks. I 1629 01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:34.359 can see kind of the stairs leading down to the basement, 1630 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:36.560 but I can't see the basement, but I can see 1631 01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:39.560 this red glow coming out of the basement, and the 1632 01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:43.239 blow is brighter and brighter until its head pops up 1633 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.199 just above the landing on the main floor and I 1634 01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:49.520 see those two red almond shaped blood eyes. But again, 1635 01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:53.840 and I freak fail out again, instantly paralyzed with just fear, 1636 01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:56.960 you know, essentially like before, this thing just takes its time, 1637 01:30:57.079 --> 01:31:01.520 walks up the stairs, walks over towards me, tilts his head, 1638 01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:05.439 kind of crouches over, hunches over and puts my head 1639 01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:08.159 right on the snout and then boom. I wake up 1640 01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:10.560 back in bed in the feeder position, both times in 1641 01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:15.000 the feeder position. After that I was in art class. 1642 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:20.159 I decided to draw a life size replica of this creature, 1643 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:23.840 full full scale, you know, life size, with as much 1644 01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:26.039 detail as I could, and I hung it up on 1645 01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:30.159 our bedroom door in our room. I didn't tell anyone why, 1646 01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.560 you know, my brother, my parents, they all thought it 1647 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:36.960 was weird because you know, I just draw. Oh I 1648 01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:39.359 should mention. By then I knew it was a werewood. 1649 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:42.680 A couple of years prior, we had got cable HBO, 1650 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:46.119 and I saw a commercial on HBO for a movie 1651 01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:50.279 called an American Werewolf in London. And when I saw 1652 01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:52.520 the previews. It scared, you know, scared of hell out 1653 01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:56.159 of me because what I saw was exactly like this creature, 1654 01:31:56.520 --> 01:32:00.319 with the exception of the odds. So you know, I 1655 01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:03.199 knew by then the second encounter the scene better known 1656 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.920 as a were whoop. But anyway, I had recreated it 1657 01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:09.239 full size and hung it up on our doors, trying 1658 01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:11.800 to face my fears of this creature because I figured 1659 01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:14.560 there would be times and there war where I woke 1660 01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:16.680 up in the middle of the night and you're kind 1661 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:19.760 of half asleep. I would glance over, I can see 1662 01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:23.119 it on the back door, and I forget that I 1663 01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:25.399 drew it, and I would think it was there for me. Oh, 1664 01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:27.560 it's you know, it's nothing. I made it. It was 1665 01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:30.920 a drawing. It's not real, it doesn't exist. And that 1666 01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:33.800 was That was the second encounter with the same There 1667 01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:37.600 was a third experience, where as I mentioned when I 1668 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:42.119 started hearing these voices, these retro causal experiences between the 1669 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.359 second and third, so before the softball game, but after 1670 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:48.640 the arcade thing, when I cleaned up my act and 1671 01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:52.600 changed my life's direction because I was really in a 1672 01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:55.479 bad shape at that time. You know, if I had 1673 01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:59.560 continued on the path I was going, but most certainly 1674 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.640 ended up either in prison or dead. I wasn't too 1675 01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:05.800 far off. There were some things I was doing that 1676 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:08.000 I haven't even gotten into. There were some things I 1677 01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:11.840 was doing at that time where one day I woke 1678 01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:16.039 up a completely different person than I was the day before. 1679 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:20.720 As if some people called a walk in, I wouldn't 1680 01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:24.079 say it was a walk in, but certainly I was 1681 01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:27.039 two different people from one day to the next. Shortly 1682 01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:31.159 thereafter I came home, I'd taken a nap because I 1683 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:33.720 was kind of exhausted taking a nap, shut the door. 1684 01:33:34.279 --> 01:33:37.880 It was still after there, woke up instantly, like the 1685 01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:41.880 other two experiences, straight into a fetal position. The room 1686 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:44.319 was dark, so I realized the sun had already gone down, 1687 01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:48.159 and my bedroom door was wide open, which it was 1688 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:50.560 shit when I went to sleep, So someone must have 1689 01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:54.920 opened my door and the hallway light was on, thinking, 1690 01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:57.880 you know what the hell who left the hallwaylight on? 1691 01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:01.760 Who opened my door to tadbait irritated for a moment, 1692 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:03.800 and then I was a bit surprised because there's this 1693 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:07.520 woman that I don't recognize standing in my hallway, thinking, 1694 01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:10.279 who the hell is this person and why is she's 1695 01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:12.199 standing in the hallway and why is she looking at me? 1696 01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:17.159 There's this woman. She was all in white, this long 1697 01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:21.279 white lacy dress all the way to the ground, and 1698 01:34:21.479 --> 01:34:23.720 her sleeves all the way to the bottom of her 1699 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:29.039 hands with like ruffles. Very beautiful, elegant, kind of old fashioned, 1700 01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:32.640 all white dress. And her neck it was a weirdest thing. 1701 01:34:32.960 --> 01:34:35.880 I've never seen dresses like this, But they had a 1702 01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:38.439 neck piece, so that dress continued all the way up 1703 01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:40.199 to the base of her head, so you didn't even 1704 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:43.600 see her neck. The only visible skin was her hands 1705 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:44.359 and her head. 1706 01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:45.319 That was it. 1707 01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:50.399 And kind of a pale complexion. Blue eyes as blue 1708 01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:54.159 as could be, and she had curly blonde hair, long 1709 01:34:54.279 --> 01:34:59.359 curly blond hair. She was like beautiful woman I have 1710 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:04.680 ever thing in my whole life. I mean, there there's 1711 01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:08.439 no comparison with like even supermodels. I mean, her beauty 1712 01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:11.600 was like you could not find any imperfection on her. 1713 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.760 There's nothing, There's just just no way. I mean, it 1714 01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:18.239 was like the very definition of beauty. On top of that, 1715 01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.760 she had this glow around her, this white glow, and 1716 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:24.760 just every inch of her just gave off this white flow. 1717 01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:29.920 I was just mesmerized by her and just totally stune 1718 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:33.159 by her standing in the hallway, you know, in front 1719 01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:38.680 of my bedroom. Just then I felt like this the thunderbolts, 1720 01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:41.960 kind of like connection to her right straight in the chest, 1721 01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:46.439 like there was some tether between my heart and her hearts. 1722 01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:50.880 Somehow our two hearts formed this lightning bolt tether between them. 1723 01:35:51.279 --> 01:35:55.239 I felt this insane amount of just pure love, like 1724 01:35:55.479 --> 01:36:00.640 love on a scale that doesn't exist on earth. Every 1725 01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:04.640 cell in your body could vibrate and experience love at 1726 01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:07.680 its schoolness. It was before you know, as a parent, 1727 01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:10.079 you love your children, you love them with all your hearts, 1728 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:14.359 and you can really feel that love deeply. But with her, 1729 01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:18.399 that tethered feeling a doctor at that moment was like 1730 01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:21.520 every cell you could feel, every cell in your body. 1731 01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:25.279 And at the same time that happened, she says, I'm 1732 01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:27.520 proud of you. You know, that's all she says, I'm 1733 01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:30.720 proud of you. They'll say why. I didn't really understand why. 1734 01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:34.960 Right after that boom, I wake up straight into a 1735 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:38.000 fetal position. The room is dark, pall waylight is on, 1736 01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:41.600 bedroom doors open, and even though I couldn't see her, 1737 01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:45.319 I could still feel her as if she's still there. 1738 01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:49.560 Those are later learned are called type two false awakenings, 1739 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:53.279 where you have the dream state. Familiar with that. I'm 1740 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:55.520 sure plenty of dreams, so you know what the dream 1741 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:59.439 state is like. You know, it's pretty hoogposh, doesn't make 1742 01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:01.920 any sense. In fact, you're not even self aware in 1743 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:04.119 a dream state. You're kind of just there, but you're 1744 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:09.039 not yourself. It just exists. There's no disconnect between your 1745 01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:11.279 thoughts and what happens in a dream sell In a 1746 01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:15.880 dream state, you think something boom happens. Whereas a false 1747 01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:19.760 awakening is almost like an outer body experience because you 1748 01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:24.359 wake up mentally but not physically, so it's kind of 1749 01:37:24.399 --> 01:37:27.640 like the opposite of sleep walking, where physically you're awake 1750 01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:31.279 up and about moving about. Mentally you're still sleeping. So 1751 01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:33.239 this would be kind of like the opposite of that 1752 01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.319 to where physically your body is still asleep, but mentally 1753 01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:42.039 you're up and about. So it's called a false awakening 1754 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.359 because you you go up and about your business. Maybe 1755 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:49.640 for other people. A type one is where nothing eventful happens. Basically, 1756 01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:52.920 you wake up, go brush your teeth, use the bathroom, 1757 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:55.880 grab drink water, go about your business and suddenly you 1758 01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:57.920 find yourself back to bed and don't know how you 1759 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:00.920 got there, waking up again and you swore you were 1760 01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:04.159 just the way I too is where you do that, 1761 01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:07.760 but you have some event happened, some kind of encounter. 1762 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:14.640 I've talked to other people who've encountered shadow people encountered 1763 01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:18.439 wolfs in their bed. It's a whole nother phenomenon that 1764 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:21.479 really doesn't get a lot talked about a lot, or 1765 01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:23.560 even looked into a lot. And the people that do 1766 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:26.079 have these experiences don't talk about them because a lot 1767 01:38:26.119 --> 01:38:29.520 of times they are scary as shit and they don't 1768 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:32.359 want to talk about them. But it's it's a real thing. 1769 01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:37.079 Also wakening taypoo. So that's what those experiences were, but 1770 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:41.399 on a deeper level that where wealth exists, that lady 1771 01:38:41.479 --> 01:38:44.880 and white exist. You know, for me, I tend to 1772 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:47.960 believe on some level they were real. It wasn't. It 1773 01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:51.399 was more than just a dream state. It was more 1774 01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:54.680 like an out of body experience. But so you had 1775 01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:56.880 that to do with as well. So when you know, 1776 01:38:57.039 --> 01:39:00.119 I was coping with the whole Black trianglon account or, 1777 01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:04.359 I did eventually join an alien abduction support group, and 1778 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:06.760 I lived in Colorado. I wanted to say it was 1779 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:11.439 Debra Lindeman something like that. Her husband was also wrote 1780 01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:14.399 a book on UFO sixty Points on Ethology or something 1781 01:39:14.479 --> 01:39:17.680 like that. They were pretty well known at the time. 1782 01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:19.760 This was in the early two thousands. I was actually 1783 01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:23.720 a move On field investigator and volunteer at the headquarters 1784 01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:28.239 in Denver under John Schusler at the time, so you know, 1785 01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:31.279 I was pretty involved with it. But anyway, I was 1786 01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:34.600 going to an alien abduction support group trying to better 1787 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:38.439 understand my experiences, including that Burwell, whether it was as 1788 01:39:38.520 --> 01:39:41.760 we call them, green memory for an actual abduction, which 1789 01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:46.399 eventually I concluded it wasn't. I decided that that wasn't 1790 01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:50.239 an abduction per se, but something else. And I tend 1791 01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:54.239 to think that many times abductions, especially those that happened 1792 01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:57.199 in bedrooms at night when we're sleeping and wake up 1793 01:39:57.319 --> 01:39:59.880 and have the abduction experience and didn't find themselves back 1794 01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:03.359 in bed, may just be more fault awakenings like my own. 1795 01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:06.920 So you can say I've had a lifetime of unusual 1796 01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:12.760 experiences and things happening. Now it's through. The list goes on. 1797 01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:15.560 There's Poulter guys, there's there's so much more. 1798 01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:17.680 Thank you for sharing that showing. 1799 01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:20.560 I would say to the bottom line, you take anything 1800 01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:24.680 away from that retrocausality, because I think that is where 1801 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:27.319 things are heading. That is going to be the future 1802 01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:30.520 of science, and that is going to be I think, 1803 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:35.319 what changes our perspective on reality and how we approach 1804 01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:39.560 and deal with the waking world, so to speak. Well, 1805 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.640 so I talked about retro causality and how that works 1806 01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:45.680 essentially with the control system and with that pains, so 1807 01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:50.079 the bootstrap paradox. Now, since childhood, I've always been fascinated 1808 01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:53.079 with time travel. My first time travel movie was Somewhere 1809 01:40:53.119 --> 01:40:55.680 in Time with Christopher Reeve, which was a love story, 1810 01:40:56.640 --> 01:40:58.920 and how I think time travels more work is because 1811 01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:01.680 he kind of mentally put himself back in time. He 1812 01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:04.119 fell in love with a picture of an actress that 1813 01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:06.399 was hanging in the hallway. If you've never seen a 1814 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:08.439 movie as a great time travel movie. But that was 1815 01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:11.079 my first time travel movie. And then of course Back 1816 01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:13.039 to the Future came out with my teens and I 1817 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:16.079 just really loved it. I think what really fascinated me 1818 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:19.560 most about time travel was not the idea of going 1819 01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:22.279 back in time, so we're going into the future and 1820 01:41:22.479 --> 01:41:25.359 learning things. For me, what fascinated me most was what 1821 01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:28.800 happens to you tried to change that would alter events. 1822 01:41:29.479 --> 01:41:32.800 That really fascinated me the most about time travel is 1823 01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:37.520 the paradoxical nature of time travel, like going back in 1824 01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:39.760 time and killing Hitler. You know, if you were to 1825 01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:43.439 travel back in time and kill ad Off Hitler, sure 1826 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:46.880 you could change the future. But the problem is Hitler 1827 01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:49.079 never existed. How would you even know to go back 1828 01:41:49.119 --> 01:41:51.880 in time to kill them. Not only that, if you 1829 01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:54.199 can't go back in time and kill Hitler on purpose, 1830 01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:57.159 you can't even do it by accident. It's not like 1831 01:41:57.239 --> 01:41:59.720 you can travel back in time and accidentally, whoops, I 1832 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:02.760 kill Hitler, you know, So that would be to say 1833 01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:06.760 that there are no accidents. Accidents would have to be programmed. 1834 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:10.319 And if you could go back and actually kill Hitler, actually, 1835 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:13.640 you know, eliminate the problem and change the future. Whose 1836 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:17.640 future did you change? Everyone's are just yours. So with 1837 01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:22.920 retro causality, let's say at any given moment, you have 1838 01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:26.840 a potential future event that could happen. Now, most future 1839 01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:29.520 events are just not going to happen, like you know, 1840 01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:32.680 chances of me becoming president of the United States by 1841 01:42:32.720 --> 01:42:37.840 tomorrow is pretty much zero. It is zero. It is zero, 1842 01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:41.000 And there's a lot of things like that that they're 1843 01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:44.119 just not going to happen. Period. I don't care how 1844 01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:46.399 much people wish for if this is simply not going 1845 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:51.840 to happen. Possible events that could happen, but the things 1846 01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:55.199 that would need to happen or to take place, there 1847 01:42:55.359 --> 01:42:58.960 are the odds are stacked against you, you know, So 1848 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:01.600 even if I want to be present, there's certainly dodds 1849 01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:04.359 just against me is not going to happen. But with 1850 01:43:04.479 --> 01:43:08.399 the bootstrap paradox, what we're talking about is bringing things 1851 01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:13.319 into existence that wouldn't otherwise happen, And when they do happen, 1852 01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:18.359 the question is what are we dealing with after that. 1853 01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:21.199 In the case of Hitler, you go back in time 1854 01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:25.199 you successfully kill Hitler, which on your own timeline, you 1855 01:43:25.239 --> 01:43:28.359 know Hitler had lived, you know, and did all the atrocities, 1856 01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:30.880 but somehow you went back in time and kill them. 1857 01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:35.920 So that would be to mean that Ii'm probably diverged 1858 01:43:36.039 --> 01:43:39.399 right at that moment, and you probably exist now on 1859 01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:42.319 a different timeline, and that future you travel to is 1860 01:43:42.399 --> 01:43:45.520 now a diverged timeline when a one you came off 1861 01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:48.520 with retro causo events, we might be looking at the 1862 01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:52.760 same thing because where you have information is seemingly a 1863 01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:56.920 self fulfilling prophecy or circle, a time loop where a 1864 01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:00.680 potential future event feeds information into the ask and then 1865 01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:04.399 causes that future events to happen like a covered So 1866 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:07.880 are you still in that same timeline when you come 1867 01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:10.399 out of it, or you know, in a different timeline. 1868 01:44:10.640 --> 01:44:13.119 That's one problem, you know, part of the nature of 1869 01:44:13.239 --> 01:44:16.520 that control system is to make sure my choris there's 1870 01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:19.880 no paradoxes, you don't do anything that would essentially break 1871 01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:22.760 the universe, not that you could. And that is what 1872 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.239 science right now is really working towards, is trying to 1873 01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:29.000 solve the whole question of retrocausality and what that means 1874 01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:33.399 for our reality or experience with it. So with the 1875 01:44:33.439 --> 01:44:37.359 bootstrap paradox, if you enough a certainly look it up 1876 01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:39.880 and there's a number of different names for it, but 1877 01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:43.720 what a bootstrap paradox is. In the movie Somewhere in Time, 1878 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:48.840 Christopher Reeves encounters and I forgot her name. In the movie, 1879 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:52.560 the actress, she's an elderly woman by that time, she 1880 01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:55.479 hands them a watch and she says, come back to me. 1881 01:44:55.960 --> 01:44:59.000 So this watch is very old and whatnot. He hangs 1882 01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:01.800 onto the watch, falls in love with the actress photo 1883 01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:05.439 goes back in time with the watch. When he's there, 1884 01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:08.119 of course, you know, he falls in love as at 1885 01:45:08.159 --> 01:45:12.119 one point he finds a penny in the future and 1886 01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:17.560 totally forgot basically that was there. And by finding that penny, 1887 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:20.920 he's instantly propelled back into the future, leaving the past 1888 01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:25.640 behind and leaving her behind. And he also happened to 1889 01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:30.000 leave the pocket watch behind, and that happens, and he 1890 01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:35.640 becomes depressed and whatnot and eventually dies. But the pocket 1891 01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:39.319 watch was the curious thing because this pocket watch has 1892 01:45:39.399 --> 01:45:43.079 no beginning and it has no end, as a bootstrap paradox, 1893 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:46.720 So where did the pocket watch him Because you know, 1894 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:49.479 in the future she gives it to him, he travels 1895 01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:52.199 back in time gives it to her. So this pocket 1896 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:55.520 watch basically exists in this loop where it has neither 1897 01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:58.760 a beginning nor an end, which is, as we believe, 1898 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:01.720 is impossible because part of watch had to come from somewhere, right, 1899 01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:04.880 you know, someone had to mine the metals, and someone 1900 01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:08.279 had to bring it all together and engineer and craft 1901 01:46:08.359 --> 01:46:10.600 that pocket watch for it to come into our reality 1902 01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:15.279 and exist, and yet it exists about either at the 1903 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:18.399 beginning or an end. And that's a bootsbat paradox. And 1904 01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:20.560 that's kind of what retro cause out is because we 1905 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:25.560 have basically information coming into our reality from you know where, 1906 01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:27.479 causing these time loops. 1907 01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:38.479 Telepath is a weekly digital newsletter filled with the latest 1908 01:46:38.520 --> 01:46:42.239 paranormal news, trending topics, and fresh articles from some of 1909 01:46:42.319 --> 01:46:46.079 the most popular critical thinkers in the community today. Stay 1910 01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:50.560 informed on your favorite paranormal podcasts and live streaming talk shows. 1911 01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:54.479 Interact with the Telepath and upload your paranormal story or picks. 1912 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:57.760 It could be featured in an upcoming edition. Sign up 1913 01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:02.279 right now for the free Telepath newsletter at paranormal dot Radio. 1914 01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:04.520 That's paranormal dot Radio. 1915 01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:14.520 So I began looking for other examples if my theory 1916 01:47:14.640 --> 01:47:19.000 was bragged, other examples that might support this idea, and 1917 01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:23.680 oddly enough, I found several examples in the Bible, particular 1918 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:27.840 in the case of Jesus Christ, who essentially I was 1919 01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:30.479 led to believe based on my research, as a perfect 1920 01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:34.479 example of the Boospat paradox. Often with the UFO community, 1921 01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:38.159 we like to believe that Jesus was essentially maybe an 1922 01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:44.279 alien hybrid Mary was impregnated by aliens. Therefore, you know, 1923 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:49.640 the whole immaculate conception idea, and that when he died, 1924 01:47:50.159 --> 01:47:54.319 essentially they abducted his body or whatever, and you know, 1925 01:47:54.439 --> 01:47:56.920 he went on to be with his alien brothers and 1926 01:47:57.039 --> 01:47:59.720 sisters something to that effect. I'm sure we've all heard that. 1927 01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:03.439 Or then you have the totally religious view on Jesus, 1928 01:48:03.640 --> 01:48:08.479 where of course God was responsible and you know, and 1929 01:48:08.680 --> 01:48:12.079 Jesus was God on earth and therefore he got the 1930 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:16.000 whole religious explanation for it. But in the case of Jesus, 1931 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:22.439 his immaculate conception, his disappearance or is basically de materialization 1932 01:48:22.920 --> 01:48:25.520 upon his death after the third day, we have a 1933 01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:28.840 bootstrapped paradox, because we have a case of something that 1934 01:48:28.960 --> 01:48:32.399 comes into existence that has no causal relationship with the world. 1935 01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:35.479 Lied that's all that he didn't have a father per se, 1936 01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:39.640 that impregnated Mary suddenly becomes pregnant gives birth to him, 1937 01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:42.640 So there is no causal relationship because he wouldn't need 1938 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:45.880 both father and mother. Then when he died, his body 1939 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:50.000 de materialized, and so I later realized that the body 1940 01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:56.000 demterialized is because the bootstrapped paradox. It can't exist beyond 1941 01:48:56.439 --> 01:49:01.640 the time of time frame exists in a physical object 1942 01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:05.079 that's created through the boostrap paradox has a window that 1943 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:08.279 it must exist and it cannot exist outside that end. 1944 01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:12.159 So you have the conception and then you have rising 1945 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:16.319 from the dead. When this body the materialized, and like 1946 01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:20.359 the shroud of Turin, you know that many believe shows 1947 01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:23.000 the image of Jesus on it, and you know, many 1948 01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:26.399 people believe it's fake. Many people believe it's real. I 1949 01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:30.399 suspect if it's real. The reason the image was created 1950 01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:32.239 the way it was is because we're talking about the 1951 01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:35.880 same amount of energy necessary to send someone through time 1952 01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:39.479 travel space time that caused that image to occur. So 1953 01:49:40.399 --> 01:49:43.760 the three days, why was it three days? Take my 1954 01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:47.479 daughter's accident for example, it happened three times in a row, 1955 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:51.159 unlike unlike the other experiences I had with the voice 1956 01:49:51.960 --> 01:49:56.520 with my daughter, that mental exercise I had that triggered 1957 01:49:56.600 --> 01:50:00.920 off the first episode in a manifesting. It was something 1958 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:04.600 I was so mentally focused on. There's so much attention 1959 01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:08.279 and energy that I think it's kind of like an 1960 01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:12.439 oscillation that when these events, when these causal events happen, 1961 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:16.600 retrocausal events happen, it's possible to produce three of them 1962 01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:19.960 at a time when you're that focused. So it's kind 1963 01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:24.039 of like an oscillation of the time and the other interviews. 1964 01:50:24.079 --> 01:50:27.239 I've used the AC you're a home AC as an example, 1965 01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:30.800 it's kind of like you use an AC. When you 1966 01:50:30.880 --> 01:50:34.159 set your AC, you're actually programming a future event. If 1967 01:50:34.199 --> 01:50:36.840 you think about it that way. You know your house 1968 01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:39.840 is seventy five degrees, you set the thermostat to seventy two. 1969 01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:44.800 The thermostat is measuring the temperature in your house. There's 1970 01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:48.159 an air created because it recognizes that the house is 1971 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:50.520 seventy five. You went at seventy two. Therefore as an 1972 01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:54.279 air signal, which then triggers the control signal, which entails 1973 01:50:54.319 --> 01:50:57.000 it to turn on and pull off the house. But 1974 01:50:57.319 --> 01:50:59.399 the house is not seventy two right away. It's when 1975 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:01.319 it takes some time, So it's a future event. It's 1976 01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:04.319 going to occur until it reaches that seventy two tempt. 1977 01:51:04.920 --> 01:51:07.479 In that sense, you can think about the control system 1978 01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:11.199 that way, program in the future event if it overshoots. 1979 01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:16.079 Let's say it goes past seventy two and it hits seventy. 1980 01:51:16.239 --> 01:51:19.119 Now the heater turns on, try to heat it back 1981 01:51:19.199 --> 01:51:21.960 to seventy two, but it goes past it and maybe 1982 01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:24.479 it hits seventy four. So now the ac goes back 1983 01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:28.039 on cools it all overshoots it because the seventy one, 1984 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:30.760 and it kind of shoots back and forth until finally 1985 01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:33.199 it nails it at seventy two. So I think that's 1986 01:51:33.279 --> 01:51:36.439 kind of what we're dealing with. The case of three 1987 01:51:37.279 --> 01:51:41.760 is the event was so focused that it kind of 1988 01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:44.680 osculates back and forth and causes the event to happen 1989 01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:46.880 over and over and over. So in the case of 1990 01:51:46.960 --> 01:51:49.119 my daughter, it happened three times. In the case of 1991 01:51:49.239 --> 01:51:52.399 Jesus three days, he was dead for three day. You 1992 01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:55.840 can't die three times, so he was dead for three days. 1993 01:51:55.880 --> 01:51:59.800 In the case of Peter at night, where he denied 1994 01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:04.079 ice three times, it was again repeating the same events 1995 01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:08.640 three times that night eat tonight Christ. So again I 1996 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:12.039 think we're looking at a bootstrapped paradox. But in this case, 1997 01:52:12.279 --> 01:52:16.039 the the control signal came from Jesus himself, who basically 1998 01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:20.319 says before the night before the rooster pros in the morning. Essentially, 1999 01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:24.439 you're going to deny me three times, So the air 2000 01:52:24.520 --> 01:52:29.119 signal came from him, and I suspect there's reasons for that. 2001 01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:32.279 I won't even bother going into. But I think there's 2002 01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:35.760 plenty of evidence out there that we're dealing with retro 2003 01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:40.920 causality and numerous situations in which we never knew they 2004 01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:44.039 even consider it look for. I had no idea what 2005 01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.800 to look for or what question is to ask. There 2006 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:50.039 was a case in Colorado many years ago, someone winning 2007 01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:55.159 the lottery not just once, three times and a short window. 2008 01:52:55.199 --> 01:52:56.800 I think it was like a one month maybe a 2009 01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:00.119 two month window. It hit the lottery three times, one 2010 01:53:00.479 --> 01:53:04.239 crazy amount of money. I mean once most people is 2011 01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:07.359 a lifetime, but this person did a three times. I 2012 01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:10.720 think there's cases out there where we're dealing with retro 2013 01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:16.039 causality and bootstrap paradoxes, and we're still at that new 2014 01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:19.000 frontier right at the front door of it. Yeah, I 2015 01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:21.960 should mention before I forget. The reason it comes across 2016 01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:24.159 as a voice is because you're actually going to see 2017 01:53:24.199 --> 01:53:26.720 it with your eyes fold. So every time I heard 2018 01:53:26.760 --> 01:53:30.119 the voice, I actually physically watched it unfold with my 2019 01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:33.199 eyes except for that last accident with my daughter when 2020 01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.119 it came across as a vision, because that was the 2021 01:53:35.199 --> 01:53:37.720 only time I didn't actually see it happen. I heard it, 2022 01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:40.600 so I can hear my daughter screaming when she got 2023 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:42.600 kicked in the head, but I didn't actually get to 2024 01:53:42.640 --> 01:53:45.479 see it happen unfold, so I came across as a 2025 01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:48.279 vision instead. That was one of the connections I made there, 2026 01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:51.880 between why a vision and why a voice? So that 2027 01:53:52.079 --> 01:53:56.800 night with the UFO was essentially I manifested it. The 2028 01:53:56.960 --> 01:54:01.479 voice was just a retrocausal event, a control signal, just 2029 01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:04.279 fulfilling what it is I wanted to happen I will, 2030 01:54:04.920 --> 01:54:08.520 which eventually led to that encounter with the triangle. The 2031 01:54:08.680 --> 01:54:13.000 triangle was military, and whoever was on the receiving end 2032 01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:16.560 was more than obligated to fulfill my wish and put 2033 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:17.640 that triangle out there. 2034 01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:20.840 Yeah, the voice that you heard, was it in your 2035 01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:22.920 own voice or was it someone else's voice? 2036 01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:25.840 It was pretty much my own voice. It wasn't like 2037 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.119 you heard someone else's. It's like your own voice in 2038 01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:31.279 your head, so it doesn't come across as like some strength. 2039 01:54:31.359 --> 01:54:34.159 Well except for one occasion which I didn't even talk 2040 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:36.640 about there was one time I heard a voice where 2041 01:54:37.239 --> 01:54:41.239 it was not my own. So right after that third 2042 01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:44.840 accident with my daughter, my oldest son at that age 2043 01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:48.560 was really in a Dinosaurus. This was when Disney had 2044 01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:52.560 released that kind of Pixar kind of animated movie. We 2045 01:54:52.720 --> 01:54:55.760 loved dinosaurs, really wanted to go see this movie. So 2046 01:54:55.880 --> 01:54:58.199 we waited probably a month or two after it was 2047 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:01.720 released theaters to take the boys out on a Sunday 2048 01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:04.560 to go see it. And take the boys. We get 2049 01:55:04.600 --> 01:55:07.520 in the car about to start the car, and I 2050 01:55:07.640 --> 01:55:09.920 heard a voice. Now, the weird thing about this one 2051 01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:12.520 is every time I heard a voice, I always had 2052 01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:15.159 that physical sensation in my gut. This time I did 2053 01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:18.039 not strictly a voice, and a voice did not sound 2054 01:55:18.119 --> 01:55:21.840 like my own. But the voice was scary as freaking hell. 2055 01:55:22.399 --> 01:55:26.079 It sounded demonic. It sounded like, you know, as if 2056 01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:30.960 Satan were talking to you. And it said, do not 2057 01:55:31.439 --> 01:55:38.640 look at the clock, very stern, very mean, angry, do 2058 01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:41.279 not look at the clock. And it's scared to live 2059 01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:43.199 in hell out of me. And my car had that 2060 01:55:43.319 --> 01:55:46.920 clock in a dashboard, so I didn't want to freak 2061 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:49.840 out my boys. I'd already planned on taking them to 2062 01:55:49.960 --> 01:55:54.159 the theater. So I just, you know, stayed calm, try 2063 01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:56.359 not to put too much into it. Just don't look 2064 01:55:56.399 --> 01:55:59.399 at the clock. So as a quarter to eleven, the 2065 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.560 movie was starting at eleven fifteen, there's plenty of time 2066 01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:05.680 to drive to get to the theater, you know, get 2067 01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:08.359 to see get our snacks and all that before the 2068 01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:11.760 movie started. Get on the road, Get on the freeway, 2069 01:56:11.880 --> 01:56:14.840 drive there. The whole time, I've kept my eyes on 2070 01:56:14.920 --> 01:56:17.560 that road directly in front, refusing and look at the 2071 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:20.760 clock anywhere near the clock, because I was actually terrified 2072 01:56:21.479 --> 01:56:23.079 what might happen if I looked like I had no 2073 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:25.239 idea what would happen. But I was all I knew 2074 01:56:25.359 --> 01:56:27.600 is just don't look at it. And I'm scared to 2075 01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:30.159 find out what happens if I do. So I don't. 2076 01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:33.279 We get to the movie theater, move up to the 2077 01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:36.079 cash here, and I tell her, you know, I need 2078 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:39.680 one adult, two child tickets for eleven fifteen showing a dinosaur, 2079 01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:42.479 and she gives me just just look like I was 2080 01:56:42.640 --> 01:56:45.239 just the most idiotic customer to ever walk up through 2081 01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:51.000 the counter. I like what it's like, Well, I mean 2082 01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:53.760 that movie's almost over with. I can you know if 2083 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:56.600 you hurry, you can still catch the twelve fifteen showing. 2084 01:56:57.560 --> 01:57:00.920 I'm like, what are you talking about. I mean, it's 2085 01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:05.039 twelve twenty. Look at the clock and the talk on 2086 01:57:05.119 --> 01:57:06.840 the wall in the back, you know it's twelve twenty. 2087 01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:11.199 I'm like, so I buy the ticket because we're already there. 2088 01:57:11.399 --> 01:57:16.520 But I'm freaking out because I'm like, there's no way. 2089 01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:20.079 I just spent you know, basically an hour and a 2090 01:57:20.119 --> 01:57:22.880 half on the road driving to the theater down street, 2091 01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:26.479 essentially on my end of town. It's like a twenty 2092 01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:30.800 minute drive tops, and yet it took me an hour 2093 01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:34.159 and a half to get there. So we go in, 2094 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:37.640 We get our popcorn, drinks, get into the theater, sit down, 2095 01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:42.640 lights are out. My son begins immediately freaking out, just 2096 01:57:42.720 --> 01:57:45.319 would not stop wailing at the top of his lungs, 2097 01:57:45.399 --> 01:57:48.800 crying and freaking out. And he was the one who 2098 01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:52.319 wanted to see this movie badly, and we've been to 2099 01:57:52.439 --> 01:57:54.479 movies before. He's never had a problem in going to 2100 01:57:54.560 --> 01:57:58.840 the movie theater or being in the dark. And I 2101 01:57:58.960 --> 01:58:02.079 could not get him under control. I couldn't get him 2102 01:58:02.119 --> 01:58:04.800 to stop crying. I was freaking out because I didn't 2103 01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:06.560 know what happened to the last hour and a half. 2104 01:58:07.239 --> 01:58:09.359 We just left. You know, we were there for maybe 2105 01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:12.239 ten minutes. I turn around and we just left out 2106 01:58:12.319 --> 01:58:14.439 in the car, went back home. By the time we 2107 01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:17.319 got home, it was almost one o'clock. Walking the door, 2108 01:58:17.920 --> 01:58:19.880 my wife has asked me, so, how was the movie? 2109 01:58:20.520 --> 01:58:22.960 And I'm like, we didn't even see the movie. I'm like, well, 2110 01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:24.960 She's like, well, where have you been all this time? 2111 01:58:25.319 --> 01:58:28.960 It's like, that's what I would like to know. I 2112 01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:31.680 have no clue, And I basically told her what happened, 2113 01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:36.479 and yeah, that's just that was the one time I 2114 01:58:36.560 --> 01:58:38.960 heard the voice where it didn't sound like my own, 2115 01:58:39.039 --> 01:58:41.920 and it's Scardell and my son. 2116 01:58:42.960 --> 01:58:43.119 You know. 2117 01:58:43.239 --> 01:58:46.399 The wife tried taking them, my mother tried taking them. 2118 01:58:46.640 --> 01:58:48.520 I've tried taking them. We've tried taking them to that 2119 01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:51.279 movie theater a couple times after that to go see 2120 01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:53.960 that movie, and every time he threw a fit in 2121 01:58:54.039 --> 01:58:57.880 that theater. I don't know if his if his throwing 2122 01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:01.479 that fit wasn't anyhow related to the whole missing time 2123 01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:05.359 experience and whatever happened in that hour and a half, 2124 01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:11.399 But eventually he was able to finally calm down enough 2125 01:59:11.439 --> 01:59:14.079 to see the movie in the theater. But for me, 2126 01:59:14.239 --> 01:59:16.640 you know, it was one of the missing time episodes 2127 01:59:16.680 --> 01:59:19.960 I had. I just didn't really have a good explanation for. 2128 01:59:21.319 --> 01:59:24.000 The only thing I came up with was at the time, 2129 01:59:24.199 --> 01:59:25.640 this was the same time I was going to the 2130 01:59:25.680 --> 01:59:31.359 alien induction support group. I thought that maybe subconsciously, somehow 2131 01:59:32.279 --> 01:59:36.800 I had produced the events and created the missing time 2132 01:59:36.960 --> 01:59:44.079 episode unconsciously and somehow manipulated time itself. As crazy as 2133 01:59:44.159 --> 01:59:48.039 that sounds, even though missing time itself is not necessarily 2134 01:59:48.159 --> 01:59:52.439 always related to say, abductions, that actually happens quite often, 2135 01:59:53.119 --> 01:59:55.800 and there's a number of people who report you know, 2136 01:59:56.039 --> 02:00:00.560 missing time per see but don't have any interest experience 2137 02:00:00.600 --> 02:00:04.760 with UFOs and that sort of thing, whether or not 2138 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:08.199 they're abducted, you know, who knows, but it's not something 2139 02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:14.880 that's totally just restricted to the abduction phenomenon. Yeah, that's 2140 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:17.920 that's to answer your question, ask a one time, All. 2141 02:00:17.800 --> 02:00:20.239 The accounts and the guests I've had on over the years, 2142 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:23.840 you know, nothing has been off the table. Everything that 2143 02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:26.920 you share tonight is going to give people food for thought, 2144 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:29.119 because obviously you've put a lot of research and a 2145 02:00:29.159 --> 02:00:30.800 lot of thought into all this. 2146 02:00:31.239 --> 02:00:34.840 Definitely I mean, you know, fifty one now, and you 2147 02:00:34.880 --> 02:00:36.840 know I've been doing with this a whole lot of 2148 02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:40.800 forty plus years since that first encounter with that dog man, 2149 02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:44.159 where well, a lot of time to research and try 2150 02:00:44.199 --> 02:00:47.399 to come to some kind of conclusion. It's one thing 2151 02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:52.159 when I'm reading other people's experiences because I'm not in 2152 02:00:52.239 --> 02:00:56.039 her head. You know, I can't. I wasn't there. I 2153 02:00:56.159 --> 02:00:58.760 wasn't in her head. You know, I believe them, they're 2154 02:00:58.840 --> 02:01:02.640 they're genuine there since here, something really happened, but I 2155 02:01:02.720 --> 02:01:06.760 can't piece it, you know, an answer together based on that, 2156 02:01:07.279 --> 02:01:09.960 Whereas my own experiences, that's what I have to work with. 2157 02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:13.680 And I know, you know my thoughts, I know what 2158 02:01:13.880 --> 02:01:17.319 led up to it, what came after it, the whole 2159 02:01:17.560 --> 02:01:21.800 you know, everything, the whole boodle. So for me, it's 2160 02:01:21.800 --> 02:01:24.039 seemed best to focus my time on trying to better 2161 02:01:24.159 --> 02:01:26.880 understand many of the things that happened to me and 2162 02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:28.680 try to come to conclusions that way. 2163 02:01:29.000 --> 02:01:30.680 Yeah, and that's the way I look at it. Your 2164 02:01:30.680 --> 02:01:32.800 family were in the Air Force, you were an Air 2165 02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:37.039 Force child. Is it possible that anything could be related 2166 02:01:37.079 --> 02:01:39.079 to that one thing you do here? And you know 2167 02:01:39.199 --> 02:01:41.960 this from being in the support groups that a lot 2168 02:01:42.000 --> 02:01:46.039 of abductees would have members of their family in the military. 2169 02:01:46.399 --> 02:01:48.359 Now it's given that a lot of people, for a 2170 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:51.079 certain generation, their parents would have been pretty much all 2171 02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:53.199 of them would have been in the military at one point. 2172 02:01:53.560 --> 02:01:55.399 Have you ever thought that maybe there could there could 2173 02:01:55.439 --> 02:01:57.079 be a connection in some fashion. 2174 02:01:57.600 --> 02:01:59.800 I mean, I know it's out in the left field. 2175 02:02:00.119 --> 02:02:02.840 Of course, most of what I said probably is most people. 2176 02:02:03.239 --> 02:02:08.600 But so I was born in Biloxi, Mississippi, at Kesler 2177 02:02:08.640 --> 02:02:13.880 Air Force Base or Tessler Air Force Base, and certainly, 2178 02:02:13.960 --> 02:02:16.000 I mean it's crossed my mind a couple of times 2179 02:02:16.239 --> 02:02:21.119 that being born at a military hospital, if they wanted 2180 02:02:21.159 --> 02:02:25.479 to conduct experiments on infants, they want to see how 2181 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:30.279 these people developer grow up, it's entirely possible. I mean, 2182 02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:35.279 I don't put anything past the government experimentation. Certainly, whether 2183 02:02:35.399 --> 02:02:39.239 that's the case, I have no idea whether that would 2184 02:02:39.399 --> 02:02:42.239 be possible or I would be one of those people. 2185 02:02:42.600 --> 02:02:44.880 Always struck me too. At the same time I was 2186 02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:48.119 born as when that big seventy three UFO flap was 2187 02:02:48.199 --> 02:02:50.800 happening in that area, you know, not far from me, 2188 02:02:51.119 --> 02:02:54.640 Or I was born the military connection, you know, I 2189 02:02:54.720 --> 02:02:58.079 don't know certainly I would say the military plays a 2190 02:02:58.199 --> 02:03:01.520 role and know UFO to cover up without a doubt. 2191 02:03:01.960 --> 02:03:05.319 You know, they of course deny it to this day. 2192 02:03:05.920 --> 02:03:08.119 But based on what I saw that certainly it was 2193 02:03:08.319 --> 02:03:11.520 nothing alien. So someone had to build that damn thing. 2194 02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:14.359 Someone had to pay for it, engineer it, invent it, 2195 02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:21.239 guard its constructed. Whatever's there's somewhere out there, very interesting. 2196 02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:25.279 I appreciate it. Thank you. You know, it's an opportunity, 2197 02:03:25.359 --> 02:03:28.680 of course, to tell my story and get some new 2198 02:03:28.800 --> 02:03:31.119 ideas out there. I think, I think we kind of 2199 02:03:31.159 --> 02:03:33.560 get stuck in the mud a lot of times with 2200 02:03:33.800 --> 02:03:36.640 our way of thinking, and I can't think outside that box. 2201 02:03:36.680 --> 02:03:38.399 We get stuck in a lot of times. And as 2202 02:03:38.439 --> 02:03:40.880 like I said with my UFO counter, everyone gets stuck 2203 02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:42.760 in that box. So obviously, you know you heard a 2204 02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:45.880 voice must be aliens, and you know, and the craft 2205 02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:49.159 must be Aliens, and that's it. It's always been this way, 2206 02:03:49.199 --> 02:03:52.079 it's always going to be. But I'm certainly what I 2207 02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:55.920 have to disagree a lot on that idea. You know, 2208 02:03:56.279 --> 02:03:58.760 I was there, you know, I know how I thought, 2209 02:03:58.960 --> 02:04:00.760 you know what I was thinking, and everything are let 2210 02:04:00.840 --> 02:04:03.319 up to do and followed it and all that so 2211 02:04:04.640 --> 02:04:09.000 I think reality is far far stranger then we can 2212 02:04:09.119 --> 02:04:11.840 even begin to think it is. I think that's what 2213 02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:14.359 we're going to find out, and I think to cover up. 2214 02:04:14.800 --> 02:04:18.159 I don't think it's that people can't handle the existence 2215 02:04:18.199 --> 02:04:22.199 of UFOs. I think it's people can't handle the reality 2216 02:04:23.079 --> 02:04:26.880 of what reality really is. I think that's probably they 2217 02:04:27.000 --> 02:04:29.520 know more about what this reality really is. I think 2218 02:04:29.560 --> 02:04:32.039 that's probably more what breaks people hell out. 2219 02:04:32.479 --> 02:04:35.640 Like our reality is that we wake up every day, 2220 02:04:35.760 --> 02:04:38.159 we go to work, we dinner with a wife, you 2221 02:04:38.279 --> 02:04:41.359 spend time with the family. Within some repeating of that's 2222 02:04:41.479 --> 02:04:44.720 our reality, there is quite evidently so much more to 2223 02:04:44.840 --> 02:04:46.399 it that we simply don't understand. 2224 02:04:46.920 --> 02:04:50.800 We're very superstitious, and we usually look for superstitious kind 2225 02:04:50.840 --> 02:04:53.479 of explanations for the way I think happen the way 2226 02:04:53.560 --> 02:04:56.319 they do. Like I said with the voice, that people 2227 02:04:56.319 --> 02:05:00.960 would attribute it to aliens or God, the devil, a ghosts, 2228 02:05:01.159 --> 02:05:06.680 your guardian angel, anything along those lines. So to put 2229 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:09.640 it out there as a control signal is just a function, 2230 02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:15.159 a computerized, basically cold function of a control system. As 2231 02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:17.920 a different level. For sure, not a lot of people 2232 02:05:18.119 --> 02:05:21.359 take a life into that because it's easier to believe 2233 02:05:21.399 --> 02:05:26.079 in the guardian angel kind of aspect for aliens versus 2234 02:05:26.159 --> 02:05:30.359 something like that. But now that's the conclusion I've reached. 2235 02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:34.239 Yeah, I think as humans we try and put things, 2236 02:05:34.680 --> 02:05:37.479 categorize things, and put things in a box. It's that 2237 02:05:38.079 --> 02:05:39.840 with this, I think you're absolutely right. 2238 02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:44.760 Well back on synchronicity. There is a synchronicity experience I 2239 02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:49.439 had that really set the tone for my research and 2240 02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:52.520 his relationship with retrocausality, and it helped me kind of 2241 02:05:52.600 --> 02:05:57.640 better understand what it was. Network. So my current wife, 2242 02:05:57.720 --> 02:06:00.920 when we were at first dating, on a road trip 2243 02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:05.399 down to Bisbee, Arizona, the visit with her sister who 2244 02:06:05.439 --> 02:06:08.319 I hadn't met yet and her husband and stayed a 2245 02:06:08.359 --> 02:06:13.800 weekend with them. And we're driving down towards Bisbee Town, 2246 02:06:14.039 --> 02:06:16.640 just east of Tucson. I can't remember the name of 2247 02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:18.800 it at the moment. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We're on 2248 02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:21.359 this highway. The song comes on the radio, well it 2249 02:06:21.520 --> 02:06:23.840 doesn't come on it's uh. It was at the time 2250 02:06:23.880 --> 02:06:27.800 we were still burning music CDs, so she had made 2251 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:31.760 her own CD mix for the road trip, and you know, 2252 02:06:31.840 --> 02:06:34.880 we were still learning about each other at that early 2253 02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:38.720 dating stage, and it was a song from Kill Bill, 2254 02:06:39.399 --> 02:06:41.520 you know, And I asked, you know, isn't this from 2255 02:06:41.560 --> 02:06:44.239 that movie Killed Bill? And oh, yeah, you know. I 2256 02:06:44.359 --> 02:06:47.560 love Quinton Tarantino. I love his movies. I'm a big fan. 2257 02:06:48.880 --> 02:06:52.760 And began this conversation about Clinton Tarantino, and then it 2258 02:06:52.880 --> 02:06:56.960 kind of carried on to other movies that she likes 2259 02:06:57.319 --> 02:07:00.800 and whatnot, and then kind of got into the conversation 2260 02:07:01.079 --> 02:07:04.600 what I was interested in, what Clinton Tarantine. I'm not 2261 02:07:04.760 --> 02:07:09.880 really a big Clinton Tarantino fan of his movies. Cory 2262 02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:12.359 for me, you know, she loved pulp fiction and all 2263 02:07:12.399 --> 02:07:16.920 those other movies, and I wasn't a fan. Sorry. The 2264 02:07:17.039 --> 02:07:21.319 only movie I really like and now the name escapes 2265 02:07:21.399 --> 02:07:24.319 Me was basically where they go across the border down 2266 02:07:24.359 --> 02:07:27.000 to Mexico to the strip club and it turns out 2267 02:07:27.039 --> 02:07:30.479 to be full of vampires, turns into a crazy vampire 2268 02:07:30.640 --> 02:07:35.840 killing Fest's Dylan, that's the movie. That's the Dawn. So 2269 02:07:37.079 --> 02:07:39.800 I couldn't think of the name even then at the time. 2270 02:07:39.920 --> 02:07:42.239 So we're talking and it Fonnie comes up to that 2271 02:07:42.319 --> 02:07:44.600 point in the conversation where I'm telling her I love 2272 02:07:44.680 --> 02:07:48.000 that movie that Quinton made. Of course, she being a 2273 02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:50.079 Quintin fan. No, he didn't make that movie. He was 2274 02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:52.039 in the movie, but he didn't make that movie more 2275 02:07:52.119 --> 02:07:55.359 or less. But I couldn't remember the name of it, 2276 02:07:55.479 --> 02:07:59.000 and oddly enough, she didn't remember the name of it, Like, Oh, 2277 02:07:59.159 --> 02:08:02.119 what the hell is the name that movie? And then 2278 02:08:02.760 --> 02:08:07.279 to the left, I see this billboard or a strip club, 2279 02:08:08.159 --> 02:08:10.920 and the strip leve was caught from dust to down 2280 02:08:11.600 --> 02:08:14.319 and it was in the same font, same exact style 2281 02:08:14.439 --> 02:08:17.279 as the movie itself. And then you know, we see 2282 02:08:17.319 --> 02:08:19.119 the strip club. It was closed down, but you know, 2283 02:08:19.199 --> 02:08:21.199 I had a big old kind of signage on the 2284 02:08:21.279 --> 02:08:24.560 front of it from dust to don It looked just 2285 02:08:24.760 --> 02:08:28.039 like right out in the movie. And we're both freaking 2286 02:08:28.079 --> 02:08:31.079 out at that point, like, I mean, we're literally trying 2287 02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:32.399 to think of the name of this movie. And there 2288 02:08:32.439 --> 02:08:34.279 it is, right there on the side in the strip club, 2289 02:08:34.399 --> 02:08:36.439 and we pulled in and got some pictures of it, 2290 02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:40.279 and I was like, talk about synchronicity here precisely, at 2291 02:08:40.319 --> 02:08:41.640 the time we're trying to figure out the name of 2292 02:08:41.720 --> 02:08:44.560 the movie, we pull up on the strip club with 2293 02:08:44.760 --> 02:08:47.479 that name of the movie, and you know how many 2294 02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:49.840 from dust to Dawn strip clubs are there that look 2295 02:08:49.960 --> 02:08:52.760 like they're from the movie in the Country. So I 2296 02:08:52.840 --> 02:08:55.600 got to thinking about long and heart about synchronosity after 2297 02:08:55.720 --> 02:08:58.680 that one, because I've had other synchronistic defense. But how 2298 02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:03.479 was it that things led up to that moment in 2299 02:09:03.560 --> 02:09:05.520 time to where we're trying to think of the name 2300 02:09:05.520 --> 02:09:07.760 of the movie at the time we pull up on 2301 02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:12.319 the strip club. Then I realized that things think about 2302 02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:16.520 my nickname Radar when it all began. It's a palaindrome. 2303 02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:19.640 It was basically a word spelled the same forward and backward. 2304 02:09:19.800 --> 02:09:21.720 You know the number of different words like that that 2305 02:09:21.880 --> 02:09:25.479 are so you can reverse a word, no matter forward 2306 02:09:25.560 --> 02:09:27.840 or backward, it's still the same word. So I think 2307 02:09:27.920 --> 02:09:31.159 synchronicity is a lot like that, and this is a 2308 02:09:31.239 --> 02:09:34.720 perfect example of one to where we were on that 2309 02:09:34.840 --> 02:09:39.039 highway and we were going to pass that strip club. Period, 2310 02:09:39.680 --> 02:09:42.000 that was a predetermined event in our future that was 2311 02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:44.600 going to happen. There was no getting around that, and 2312 02:09:45.680 --> 02:09:48.600 based on causality, the car wasn't going to break down. 2313 02:09:49.000 --> 02:09:51.279 Nothing was going to happen that would prevent us from 2314 02:09:51.359 --> 02:09:54.840 passing that strip club, and that strip club was going 2315 02:09:54.920 --> 02:09:58.359 to initiate a conversation because it was interesting enough and 2316 02:09:58.920 --> 02:10:01.319 at that point in our relations It was going to 2317 02:10:01.359 --> 02:10:04.800 strike up conversation between us for sure when we saw that, 2318 02:10:05.319 --> 02:10:08.560 if we weren't already talking about it. So I think 2319 02:10:08.720 --> 02:10:11.600 that strip club was the trigger for the event. What 2320 02:10:12.039 --> 02:10:16.760 happened was it triggered it in reverse order. So when 2321 02:10:16.800 --> 02:10:20.239 I heard the kill Bill's song on a CD, it 2322 02:10:20.439 --> 02:10:23.239 was like a pre trigger of the series of events, 2323 02:10:23.319 --> 02:10:26.600 predetermined events. It was the conversation that was predetermined and 2324 02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:29.439 supposed to happen when we see that strip club. So 2325 02:10:29.680 --> 02:10:33.399 rather than seeing the strip club and having the conversation 2326 02:10:33.800 --> 02:10:38.000 about Clinton Tarantino and the movies we liked, it happened 2327 02:10:38.359 --> 02:10:41.439 in a reverse order, leading up to the strip club 2328 02:10:41.720 --> 02:10:45.800 rather than following after the strip club. So I heard 2329 02:10:45.920 --> 02:10:49.279 kill Bill an initiated conversation. She got into all the 2330 02:10:49.359 --> 02:10:52.600 kill you know Quentin Tarantino movies she loved, which came 2331 02:10:52.680 --> 02:10:55.119 back to main talking about the strip club one with 2332 02:10:55.239 --> 02:10:58.279 the vampires, and then we see the strip club. Whereas 2333 02:10:58.479 --> 02:11:01.279 if it hadn't been for that sead we would have 2334 02:11:01.359 --> 02:11:03.560 seen the strip Club, I would have been talking, oh, yeah, 2335 02:11:03.680 --> 02:11:06.279 that's the Quentin Tarantino movie he made where they all 2336 02:11:06.359 --> 02:11:09.640 go down to you know, Mexico and kill those vampires 2337 02:11:09.720 --> 02:11:12.239 and no, no, no, you know that he didn't make 2338 02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:13.479 that movie. He was just in it. 2339 02:11:13.800 --> 02:11:13.960 You know. 2340 02:11:14.079 --> 02:11:16.720 I love pull fiction, I love kill Bill and YadA, 2341 02:11:16.760 --> 02:11:21.119 YadA YadA. In that case, triggered the predetermined future event 2342 02:11:21.199 --> 02:11:23.159 that happen in a reverse order. And the reason I 2343 02:11:23.239 --> 02:11:25.640 compare to the talent chrome is because you can think 2344 02:11:25.720 --> 02:11:29.760 of it like that, like the name Radar, my nickname, 2345 02:11:29.840 --> 02:11:33.319 so R A D A R. Let's say D represents 2346 02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:37.840 the strip club, the experience itself. Now, when you have D, 2347 02:11:39.079 --> 02:11:42.159 it follows by a R. Is the order or sequence 2348 02:11:42.439 --> 02:11:45.520 of events that follow it as a result of D. 2349 02:11:46.000 --> 02:11:48.760 Whereas the R A lead en up to it. It's 2350 02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:51.279 the same order, the same events. It's just happening in 2351 02:11:51.359 --> 02:11:55.359 a reverse order. So that's that's all that happened is 2352 02:11:55.479 --> 02:12:01.680 basically at the predetermined event because prematurely triggered and happened 2353 02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:05.560 in a reverse order rather than a causal order after it. 2354 02:12:05.920 --> 02:12:08.920 Synchronicity is kind of like a palindrome. You'll notice they 2355 02:12:09.000 --> 02:12:12.039 dropped some of it in the movie. It was the 2356 02:12:12.119 --> 02:12:15.279 one where that what was that was that Jody Foster 2357 02:12:15.680 --> 02:12:17.840 where she goes onto the alien shift and is trying 2358 02:12:17.840 --> 02:12:18.800 to learn their language. 2359 02:12:18.880 --> 02:12:21.079 I think it is. Yeah, I think that is contact. 2360 02:12:21.720 --> 02:12:25.079 Another was contact where she well, I can't remember anyway. 2361 02:12:25.319 --> 02:12:28.560 That was that one Alien Arrival movie where all the 2362 02:12:28.600 --> 02:12:30.960 alien spaceships land and they kind of look like these 2363 02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:34.239 weird octopus creatures in that little missed room of theirs. 2364 02:12:34.479 --> 02:12:37.079 She's trying to learn her language towards the end of 2365 02:12:37.119 --> 02:12:40.239 the movie. And I know pelen Drome's played a part 2366 02:12:40.279 --> 02:12:43.800 in that movie, but also retro causality played a part 2367 02:12:43.920 --> 02:12:48.399 at the end where the outcome at the end of 2368 02:12:48.439 --> 02:12:52.439 the movie was changed by information she received. So I 2369 02:12:52.479 --> 02:12:55.399 mean it's out there has certainly played a part in 2370 02:12:55.479 --> 02:12:58.880 sci fi. I suppose I'm one of those everything happens 2371 02:12:58.920 --> 02:13:01.359 for a reason. There are no accidents. And if you know, 2372 02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:03.920 going back to the Hitler example, if you can't kill 2373 02:13:04.039 --> 02:13:06.640 Hitler on accident, and you know you can't do it 2374 02:13:06.720 --> 02:13:08.479 on purpose, you can't do it on accidents. So what 2375 02:13:08.520 --> 02:13:11.960 does that say about accidents with my daughter? Those were 2376 02:13:12.079 --> 02:13:15.359 essentially accidents. I didn't mean for it to happen, and 2377 02:13:15.479 --> 02:13:19.079 yet nonetheless they did. So the accidents where you can 2378 02:13:19.159 --> 02:13:22.760 say programmed for whatever reason, my life has been full 2379 02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:27.079 of all these strange experiences and episodes and whatnot, and 2380 02:13:27.720 --> 02:13:32.000 the eventual conclusions I've reached. I mean, I suspect it 2381 02:13:32.199 --> 02:13:35.359 was all for some kind of reasoning. Whatever I'm supposed 2382 02:13:35.399 --> 02:13:39.439 to do with that information too, is also beyond me. 2383 02:13:40.479 --> 02:13:44.479 There's kind of an internal struggle because part of me 2384 02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:48.279 wants to do these interviews and put that information out there, 2385 02:13:48.399 --> 02:13:50.399 and a part of me doesn't want to put the 2386 02:13:50.560 --> 02:13:54.399 information out there because you know, to say, a lot 2387 02:13:54.439 --> 02:13:59.319 of people do manifesting to well, we're materialistic, So when 2388 02:13:59.359 --> 02:14:03.279 you do manifesting, you know, typically we want to manifest 2389 02:14:03.359 --> 02:14:07.720 a new car, a new house, a new spouse, more money, 2390 02:14:08.600 --> 02:14:11.560 materialistic workpose craft That ain going to do it a 2391 02:14:11.680 --> 02:14:14.600 bit of good when you're six feet underground, right, you know, 2392 02:14:14.800 --> 02:14:17.600 that's just our nature is. You know, if I have 2393 02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:20.520 this gift, why a you know, at the casino trying 2394 02:14:20.560 --> 02:14:24.680 to win megabooks and personally, I don't look at life 2395 02:14:24.880 --> 02:14:28.000 like that. I mean, you know, granted, a new car, 2396 02:14:28.079 --> 02:14:30.560 a new house, a lot of money would be great, 2397 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:33.560 but again, like I said, it's not going to do 2398 02:14:33.640 --> 02:14:35.319 me any good when I'm in the ground. Only thing 2399 02:14:35.359 --> 02:14:37.680 I'm going to take with me is me, So I'd 2400 02:14:37.800 --> 02:14:41.279 rather use it to improve myself, and I think that's 2401 02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:44.479 probably what it's meant for. And I would go back 2402 02:14:44.520 --> 02:14:48.319 to the Bible and say that, you know, one of 2403 02:14:48.399 --> 02:14:52.000 the things it says is to do God's will. And 2404 02:14:53.079 --> 02:14:54.720 now people, I'm sure don't want to hear it, that 2405 02:14:54.720 --> 02:14:58.680 a lot of them. But my interpretation of that means 2406 02:14:58.880 --> 02:15:03.800 that this is essentially the retroposality boostrat paradox is a 2407 02:15:03.920 --> 02:15:10.279 way to do just that, to receive that information, whatever 2408 02:15:10.359 --> 02:15:12.680 it is. As scary as it is because you don't 2409 02:15:12.760 --> 02:15:16.640 know what it is, we have our own interpretation of 2410 02:15:17.119 --> 02:15:19.239 what we should do with it, you know, or what 2411 02:15:19.479 --> 02:15:22.039 his will is, if you even believe in the God, 2412 02:15:22.399 --> 02:15:24.920 you know, we think He's laid down these rules. These 2413 02:15:24.960 --> 02:15:26.680 are the rules. This is what you do with it, 2414 02:15:27.079 --> 02:15:31.159 This is how you obey or do his will. But 2415 02:15:31.279 --> 02:15:34.439 I think if if you were to use his manifesting 2416 02:15:34.600 --> 02:15:38.079 prayer whatever you want to call it, secret and focus 2417 02:15:38.199 --> 02:15:41.279 on doing his will or whatever that may be, that's 2418 02:15:41.279 --> 02:15:43.560 probably the scariest thing because you have no idea and 2419 02:15:43.640 --> 02:15:47.640 you're just putting yourself in the Creator's hands and seeing 2420 02:15:47.680 --> 02:15:49.880 where it leads you, which I haven't done that myself. 2421 02:15:50.079 --> 02:15:52.159 That's scared. It's all a lot of it. But now 2422 02:15:52.279 --> 02:15:55.840 that's again more haven't gone into us another can of worms. 2423 02:15:56.359 --> 02:15:58.439 TV shows definitely in you know, most of the time 2424 02:15:58.520 --> 02:16:01.039 these TV shows they just cut edit what they want, 2425 02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:05.079 like I did Chasing UFOs, the last one, where they 2426 02:16:05.199 --> 02:16:07.520 just basically eded to tell the story they want to. 2427 02:16:07.680 --> 02:16:11.279 And what's interesting is my UFO encounter. I had actually 2428 02:16:11.319 --> 02:16:13.720 made a working prototype at the light bulb and brought 2429 02:16:13.760 --> 02:16:16.119 it with me to that interview, and they had shot 2430 02:16:16.119 --> 02:16:18.319 footage of it, and I told them the whole man 2431 02:16:18.439 --> 02:16:21.319 made theory and whatnot, but all of that was clipped out, 2432 02:16:21.520 --> 02:16:24.880 you know, and it came across as being abducted by 2433 02:16:25.079 --> 02:16:28.439 the Arcadians, some kind of flue aliens. 2434 02:16:28.439 --> 02:16:32.840 I don't know, it's TV's it's chewing gum for the eyes. 2435 02:16:33.440 --> 02:16:35.600 I've had heaps of guests, and a few of them 2436 02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:38.959 have actually gone after is because I'd see an article 2437 02:16:39.000 --> 02:16:42.319 in the paper and they'd have their experience in the paper, 2438 02:16:42.719 --> 02:16:46.079 but it would be either completely wrong or they've changed things, 2439 02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:48.239 or they've they've said they've said things when they didn't. 2440 02:16:48.360 --> 02:16:50.239 So I'll reach out to these people and then say, 2441 02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:52.079 you know, I just read about your your experience, and 2442 02:16:52.120 --> 02:16:54.760 all of a sudden, I get that's not true. Everything 2443 02:16:54.760 --> 02:16:57.200 they put in that is not true to completely change 2444 02:16:57.239 --> 02:16:58.959 my story around. So then I have them on the 2445 02:16:59.000 --> 02:17:02.360 show to share actually happened. This is the problem with media. 2446 02:17:02.600 --> 02:17:04.280 They never portray it in the correct light. 2447 02:17:04.680 --> 02:17:07.639 That's never any good for the field, certainly, and TV 2448 02:17:07.879 --> 02:17:10.239 is definitely good for that. I've only done two TV 2449 02:17:10.360 --> 02:17:12.600 shows that actually just let me talk or you know, 2450 02:17:12.719 --> 02:17:14.360 as much as I could, and you know, of course 2451 02:17:14.399 --> 02:17:18.000 it limited time frame, but yeah, certainly has some bad 2452 02:17:18.040 --> 02:17:21.760 experiences with that, but that's entertainment. They're just how to 2453 02:17:21.799 --> 02:17:22.360 get used. 2454 02:17:22.799 --> 02:17:25.120 Yeah, you're not the only one out there, Sean. I 2455 02:17:25.280 --> 02:17:27.440 really appreciate you coming on and sharing that all for 2456 02:17:27.520 --> 02:17:28.079 our listeners. 2457 02:17:28.479 --> 02:17:31.200 Oh, Nick, you know, I appreciate you having me on 2458 02:17:31.399 --> 02:17:35.520 and give me an opportunity to tell my story. Hopefully 2459 02:17:35.639 --> 02:17:39.079 people find it interesting or food for thought or if 2460 02:17:39.600 --> 02:17:41.559 you know, if they don't, that's fine too. I mean, 2461 02:17:42.639 --> 02:17:44.760 not holding a gun in anyone's head. So you know, 2462 02:17:45.120 --> 02:17:48.479 take what we take what you will leave the rest absolutely. 2463 02:17:48.639 --> 02:17:50.200 I you know, I think people are going to be 2464 02:17:50.239 --> 02:17:52.959 thinking about this episode long after they finished listing to it. 2465 02:17:53.479 --> 02:17:56.920 Certainly, I hope so. And you know, don't take my 2466 02:17:57.079 --> 02:17:59.920 word for it, doe to research yourself. Certainly look into 2467 02:18:00.239 --> 02:18:03.520 retrocausality and where science is at with it right now. 2468 02:18:03.639 --> 02:18:06.920 It's out there and it's certainly part of quantum mechanics 2469 02:18:06.959 --> 02:18:09.399 and what they're looking at now. So I'll part of the. 2470 02:18:09.399 --> 02:18:13.040 Bigger picture wonderful stuff. Keep in contact and we will 2471 02:18:13.079 --> 02:18:13.600 speak soon. 2472 02:18:14.079 --> 02:18:15.680 Good Nick, You take care of yourself. 2473 02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:18.120 You take care of yourself, sir. Okay, bye for now. 2474 02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:20.319 That is all for this week. 2475 02:18:20.600 --> 02:18:24.159 Keep updated and connected with the show on x, Facebook 2476 02:18:24.319 --> 02:18:26.719 and Instagram. And if you've had an encounter that you'd 2477 02:18:26.799 --> 02:18:29.520 like to share on the podcast, you can email me 2478 02:18:29.760 --> 02:18:33.719 at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can 2479 02:18:33.799 --> 02:18:36.120 reach out to me via the contact page on my 2480 02:18:36.239 --> 02:18:41.000 website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A big fanga de 2481 02:18:41.079 --> 02:18:44.319 Shaan for sharing tonight and thank you all for listening. 2482 02:18:44.680 --> 02:18:48.520 I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe 2483 02:18:49.120 --> 02:18:50.360 and keep watching us guys. 2484 02:18:51.440 --> 02:19:00.360 Goodbye, no