Speaker 1: All right. Joining us now is Eric Peters, a friend
Speaker 1: of the show we've had on many times. Always interesting
Speaker 1: to talk to Eric and Eric petersautos dot com is
Speaker 1: where you'll find a lot of articles about liberty and
Speaker 1: mobility because you can't separate the two. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like what Jefferson said about life and liberty, the hand
Speaker 1: of force can destroy but cannot destroy them. Well, that's
Speaker 1: true of mobility as well as liberty as well. So
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, Eric, Oh, thank you, Dive.
Speaker 2: I always have a good time coming on your show.
Speaker 1: I always enjoy it. Yes, let's talk about the You've
Speaker 1: got several articles about what's going on with this war,
Speaker 1: and I think one of the key ones was the
Speaker 1: news blackout that you talk about, And I'm having that
Speaker 1: same problem as well. I'm looking at all this stuff.
Speaker 1: There's so much disinformation and very little real information, and
Speaker 1: there's a point to all of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't it kind of feel to you sort of
Speaker 2: like groundhog Day in that it's kind of back to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty where we weren't allowed to have access to
Speaker 2: real information about what actually was going on, and instead
Speaker 2: a steady stream of regime propaganda was foisted upon us
Speaker 2: to try to persuade us of things that were not true.
Speaker 2: Now it's work regious. It's startling how effectively they have
Speaker 2: managed to suppress any news about what is happening within Israel,
Speaker 2: for example, or what has happened to our bases in
Speaker 2: the region. That's right, They've got plenty of images about
Speaker 2: things going on in Tehran, and it's clear they're trying
Speaker 2: to manage the perception of the war. And this is
Speaker 2: outrageous because Americans have a right to know what's happening
Speaker 2: to their sons and daughters in that part of the world,
Speaker 2: as well as you know what the consequences of this.
Speaker 2: I'm just frustrated about it. This evil, idiotic, unnecessary, gratuitous war.
Speaker 1: It is evil to start, it is evil. Everything about
Speaker 1: it is evil. And their lies are not even plausible.
Speaker 1: You know, the lies that they tell us in terms
Speaker 1: of the cruise missile hitting the school and all the
Speaker 1: rest of this stuff are as implausible as a lot
Speaker 1: of this AI slop. And that's another aspect of it.
Speaker 1: It's out there and we didn't have that six years ago.
Speaker 1: So not only do you have these people actively suppressing
Speaker 1: information about what's going on but they're also putting out
Speaker 1: a lot of fake stuff. You got people splicing together
Speaker 1: real clips from previous incidents that happen in other areas
Speaker 1: and putting those out as if it was something that
Speaker 1: just happened. And then there's clearly AI clips those are
Speaker 1: easier to spot. So it's kind of interesting when I
Speaker 1: look at it on the acause a lot of people
Speaker 1: are saying, hey, GROC, is this real? And I know
Speaker 1: that that's mocked in and of itself, and yet it
Speaker 1: is pretty good in terms of between community notes as
Speaker 1: well as Groc. It's pretty good at filtering out the
Speaker 1: lies that people are deliberately putting up there to promote
Speaker 1: one side or the other, because they'll say, well, this
Speaker 1: particular clip is a mixture of this clip from back
Speaker 1: here and that clip from back there, and they'll give
Speaker 1: you links to those things, as well as sussing out
Speaker 1: when you can see the artifacts from artificial intelligence. And
Speaker 1: of course sometimes people will put up stuff that still
Speaker 1: have got the Gemini logo on it, and then they'll
Speaker 1: argue with people who call bs that aspect of it
Speaker 1: is new. I hadn't seen that before. None of us
Speaker 1: had seen that before.
Speaker 2: It's frustrating and fruitless. And I like to hang my
Speaker 2: hat on things that can be ascertained to be absolutely true,
Speaker 2: such as how much the cost of fuel has increased
Speaker 2: in this country. That's an obvious consequence fascline on average
Speaker 2: is fifty to sixty cents higher now than it was
Speaker 2: just ten days ago. And I think the more relevant,
Speaker 2: the more important aspect of this, it's really not being
Speaker 2: talked about that much, is the effect upon diesel fuel prices.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, even more so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's now up over five dollars a gallon in
Speaker 2: most parts of the country. And a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't make the connection between what they are paying at
Speaker 2: the supermarket and Walmart and everywhere else for things and
Speaker 2: the cost of diesel fuel, because of course things are
Speaker 2: moved from A to B generally speaking by heavy trucks
Speaker 2: that burn diesel and diesel electric locomotives. So if the
Speaker 2: cost of diesel fuel goes up to five or thirty percent,
Speaker 2: who do you suppose is going to pay for that?
Speaker 1: We are, that's right, And we have all these hidden
Speaker 1: costs going back to the Opeic embargo, which I know
Speaker 1: you remember as well as I do. And who could
Speaker 1: forget it. And you know, when you have a shock
Speaker 1: to the system at the energy price level, it percolates
Speaker 1: through everything, just like a value added tax. Every stage
Speaker 1: it gets added there, especially because of the transportation of
Speaker 1: goods and services, and diesel is a big part of that.
Speaker 1: And diesel has gone up more than the gasoline at
Speaker 1: the pump. And I think there might be a reason
Speaker 1: for that, might be some kind of manipulation that we're
Speaker 1: seeing there. But you point out that it's so hard
Speaker 1: to find out what is happening in Iran. We have
Speaker 1: some people like Corol McGregor, We have a Scott Ritter
Speaker 1: who are talking about the damage that's been done to
Speaker 1: radar systems that control with that and Patriot missiles, but
Speaker 1: you know they have sources and you know we can't
Speaker 1: verify that. Course, that's the part of that is the
Speaker 1: fog of war that you're always going to see. But
Speaker 1: a big part of it is that there are always
Speaker 1: blowing smoke at us. Well you know what they do, yeah.
Speaker 2: Left and right? Yes, right, and the right is particularly
Speaker 2: egregious but predictably so. The thing that's astonishing is the
Speaker 2: so called left, you know, which at one time at
Speaker 2: least posed as being anti war. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 2: was the left that aggressively reported about what was going
Speaker 2: on in Vietnam, for example, Dan rather on the ground,
Speaker 2: you know, looking at what was happening over there, and
Speaker 2: helped to generate public outrage about what was going on
Speaker 2: over there. Now, the left is as bad as the right.
Speaker 2: They're captive poodles of the same interests that are keeping
Speaker 2: us from knowing what's going on. So it's to try
Speaker 2: to render us powerless to really intelligently come to any
Speaker 2: conclusion about what's happening and then to do something about it.
Speaker 1: And then the absurd lines. I mentioned this every time
Speaker 1: I talk to somebody about Mike Johnson saying, well, they
Speaker 1: attacked us, they shot at three of our embassies, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know when that happened. That happened
Speaker 1: after you entire attacked their entire country. It's incredible the
Speaker 1: lies that they push out there. But you were talking
Speaker 1: about the fact, you can't assess how much image is
Speaker 1: being done to Iran or especially to Israel. They have
Speaker 1: put out a complete news blackout in Israel to see
Speaker 1: what is happening with the missiles coming in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's being respected by the US media, which
Speaker 2: tells you something. Yeah, for all, Now, don't we have
Speaker 2: a right irrespective of what the State of Israel and
Speaker 2: the government of Israel say. I think we have a
Speaker 2: right to know what's happening in this situation. And yet
Speaker 2: you know, we're being prevented from having that knowledge. It's infuriating.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is infuriating on so many levels. It's hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but look at how this has been shaking out
Speaker 1: of a period of time. I mean, we went through
Speaker 1: this as everybody was pushing back against the atrocities in Gaza.
Speaker 1: You had the Zionis lobby push very actively to get
Speaker 1: any of that protest against what that foreign government was doing,
Speaker 1: to call that racism, anti Semitism, and to censor it
Speaker 1: as hate speech. And of course this is where of
Speaker 1: the Republicans, who always said they eight these hate speech regulations,
Speaker 1: the hate censorship, they were eager to jump in and
Speaker 1: do it for their masters. And so we have seen
Speaker 1: legislation after legislation proposed, some of it enacted by the
Speaker 1: Republican Party. I still am astounded that Ron DeSantis went
Speaker 1: to Israel to sign a speech censorship bill on behalf
Speaker 1: of Israel. Why would a governor of a state go
Speaker 1: to a foreign country and sign a censorship bill. Of course,
Speaker 1: that's a rhetorical question.
Speaker 2: Either he's owned or he's scared. I'm not sure which
Speaker 2: it is. It doesn't really matter. Ultimately. There's another aspect
Speaker 2: of this, though, that I think Bear's discussing. I think
Speaker 2: Colonel McGregor has touched on this, and it's the despicability
Speaker 2: inherent in the kabuki theater of the negotiations. I put
Speaker 2: it in air fingers quotes. Before Trump decided to launch
Speaker 2: the war, they had the Ranians believing they sent these
Speaker 2: two arch zionists, the President's son in law, Kushner and Witcough.
Speaker 2: I mean ridiculous to send these two guys, who clearly
Speaker 2: are partisan agent's, to supposedly sit down with the Iranians
Speaker 2: to try to hammer out some sort of a deal.
Speaker 2: When there was no deal, it was a foregone conclusion
Speaker 2: that the attack was going to happen. You know, that's
Speaker 2: the sort of thing that you know, Americans of another
Speaker 2: generation got up in arms about when the you know,
Speaker 2: pardon the language, the dirty Japs sneak attacks on Pearl
Speaker 2: Harbor that was considered bad form that was considered contrary
Speaker 2: to the way civilized nations behave.
Speaker 1: And also being the aggressor, you know, attacking when you've
Speaker 1: not been attacked, attacking on the behalf of Israel who
Speaker 1: had not been attacked at that point either, And so
Speaker 1: all of that, the treachery, the lies, the sneak attacks,
Speaker 1: it is just disgusting. And and the back and forth.
Speaker 1: It came out that Benjamin Netanya who called Donald Trump
Speaker 1: on the carpet because he said, I hear the onions
Speaker 1: contacted you secretly. You're not talking to them without my permission?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, we wouldn't do it. As and so
Speaker 1: to cover themselves, they said, we're not anti net Yahooism, right,
Speaker 1: because that's really what we're talking about here, And so
Speaker 1: they said we're not against him as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: got Kushner and Wikoff talked to him and the Masad
Speaker 1: chief on a daily basis, and it's like, well, that's
Speaker 1: kind of traitorous, right, there, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that worries me most is that these
Speaker 2: lunatic ignoramuses I kind of regard them as such, have
Speaker 2: now painted us into a corner in the sense that
Speaker 2: they put American and Israeli prestige, so to speak, on
Speaker 2: the line behind this. And apparently they thought that by
Speaker 2: assassinating the foreign head of state, the Ayatola Kamane, that
Speaker 2: they would cause the regime to topple and it will
Speaker 2: be another cakewalk, kind of like the Venezuela operation, and
Speaker 2: then they could strut around and show everybody how tough
Speaker 2: and big and bold they were. Well, Paranes aren't folding,
Speaker 2: and any thinking person understands why, because from the Iranian
Speaker 2: point of view, this is an existential thing. They know
Speaker 2: that if they lose this, they lose their neighborhood completely,
Speaker 2: they become a vassal state, and therefore they are going
Speaker 2: to fight hard to the very bitter end. They're not
Speaker 2: going to give in. And you can't just bomb these
Speaker 2: people into submission. It's not going to happen. It isn't
Speaker 2: happening very evidently. And so what's next. Are we going
Speaker 2: to commit half a million ground troops? Where are they
Speaker 2: going to come from? And that would take months? And
Speaker 2: are the American people going to put up with a
Speaker 2: draft some stars being dragooned to be sent over to Iran?
Speaker 2: And what then? You know, if that doesn't work, what's
Speaker 2: the next step. In other words, they've now placed particularly Israel,
Speaker 2: in this position. You know, Israel ex to be perceived
Speaker 2: as sort of the invincible hedgemon in the area. If
Speaker 2: the Rangs win by simply not losing, that's all they
Speaker 2: have to do. I think it's not out of the
Speaker 2: bounds of possibility that the maniacs that run that state
Speaker 2: might resort to nuclear weapons to try to end this,
Speaker 2: you know, in a win as they see.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, there's some clips that I've
Speaker 1: seen people talking back and forth. I'm not sure myself
Speaker 1: what the status says of it, but it certainly looks
Speaker 1: like a nuclear bomb. And if they don't use a
Speaker 1: nuclear bomb, they could use out of their arsenal things
Speaker 1: that are as destructive, if not more destructive, than many
Speaker 1: nuclear bombs, and that are conventional weapons. But you know
Speaker 1: that is the magic word, going nuclear. And yet when
Speaker 1: you look at the massive destruction that they're unleashing, and
Speaker 1: I think the most sickening thing of all this is
Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth and how he revels in all this carnage.
Speaker 2: Just he's out of hand. Ye people who thinks that
Speaker 2: by blowing up the Middle East. He's going to hasten
Speaker 2: the return of Jesus. He's lecturing the soldiers over there
Speaker 2: apparently that you know, this is the end times. It's
Speaker 2: this eschatological apocalyptic view based upon the school field Bible
Speaker 2: that some of these people have. Hackaby is of the
Speaker 2: same mind. Right, people should be in a mental hospital,
Speaker 2: not having their levers, hands on any lovers of power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I keep telling everybody this is not Christianity.
Speaker 1: You know, Jesus said, blessed are the peacemakers, because they'll
Speaker 1: be called children of God, not somebody who has fished
Speaker 1: trace their genealogy and claims that they got a connection.
Speaker 1: And of course there's questions about that as well, but
Speaker 1: that's the reality. And so he's out there quoting things like,
Speaker 1: you know, God, who prepares my hands for warfare, my
Speaker 1: fingers for battle. That's not what that's about either, because
Speaker 1: as a Christian he should know that is metaphorical for
Speaker 1: a spiritual battle. God doesn't equip our hands for warfare
Speaker 1: so we can go out and do premptive strikes against
Speaker 1: civilians and murder hundreds of schoolgirls. That's not following God.
Speaker 1: And disgusts me to see this, and you know, his
Speaker 1: tattoos are just as phony, and his Crusader ideas are
Speaker 1: just as nonsensical as his Christian ideas. He does not
Speaker 1: represent Christianity in any way, shape or form. He is
Speaker 1: anti Christians.
Speaker 2: There's some other aspects of this, you know, the state
Speaker 2: of Israel. People like Netanyahu, he's at best a secular Zionist.
Speaker 2: He's not even a religious observant Jewish person. And there
Speaker 2: is antipathy and worse toward it's Christians in Israel get
Speaker 2: attacked in the streets. Yeah, Israel is bombing, as you know,
Speaker 2: the Christian enclaves in Lebanon, killing Christian people, and you've
Speaker 2: got some less Apparently it doesn't bother Heg Zeph or
Speaker 2: any of these other crazed, demented Zionists, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call them. It's it's really something to worry about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't care about fellow Christians. They only care
Speaker 1: about people who say that they're Jewish. And this is
Speaker 1: this is really a sad thing. But you know, when
Speaker 1: we look at this, Eric, I'm looking at the gas
Speaker 1: tank for the US, the strategic petroleum reserve that we've
Speaker 1: got there, right, what kind of idiot clowns go to
Speaker 1: war without filling up their gas tank and they didn't.
Speaker 1: It's still less than sixty percent. It's at fifty eight percent.
Speaker 1: I started looking this up.
Speaker 2: The stupidity of this. It almost beggars articulation. You'll hear
Speaker 2: Trump talk about where we have Benezuela. There is a
Speaker 2: lot of oil in Venezuela. Yeah, it's in the ground,
Speaker 2: and it's quite a different matter to get that oil
Speaker 2: out of the ground and get it refined, and get
Speaker 2: it shipped and get it into the supply chain. That's
Speaker 2: something that's going to take years to happen.
Speaker 1: And it's not going to happen without resistance either. As
Speaker 1: we're seeing in the Gulf States, it's very easy to
Speaker 1: do a terrorist attack if that's what you're inclined to do,
Speaker 1: to attack the infrastructure of your enemy, if they regard
Speaker 1: the United States as a bully and as an enemy,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people they could take it out
Speaker 1: on the infrastructure that's there, and you may not be
Speaker 1: able to get any of that stuff out. But you
Speaker 1: also had Lindsay Graham prattling around talking about how we're
Speaker 1: going to get rich, We're going to control over a
Speaker 1: third of the world's oil between Venezuela and Iran. You
Speaker 1: may not have any of it. I mean, Israel started
Speaker 1: blowing up the oil refineries in Iran, and at first
Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham and Trump said, don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 1: We want that oil when we get it. Now they're
Speaker 1: joining in with Israel blowing this stuff up, and now
Speaker 1: Iran is apparently looking at They've already made a couple
Speaker 1: of preemptive strikes against desalinization plants as well as a
Speaker 1: liquid natural gas plant and an oil refinery, and they
Speaker 1: could basically by attacking ports and refineries and factories, they
Speaker 1: could basically shut down the supply of oil and gas
Speaker 1: without even shutting down the Strait of horror moves. And
Speaker 1: it could take a very long time to get that
Speaker 1: back effectively.
Speaker 2: They're doing it. My understanding is that a couple of
Speaker 2: ships have already been hit in the straits. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Trump and his usual poltroonish bellicos way says that where
Speaker 2: they should just grow some guts and they should drive
Speaker 2: their tankers. That said from mister bone Spurs who dodged
Speaker 2: the draft back in Vietnam and his son no offense
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, Baron Trump is just a kid.
Speaker 2: You know. I don't want to see Baron Trump get
Speaker 2: dragged into this any more than anybody else. But the
Speaker 2: point is, you know, he's not going to suit up,
Speaker 2: He's not going to go. Trump's not going to send him.
Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham has no skin in the gram in the game.
Speaker 2: None of these people do. It's like his evil intocracy,
Speaker 2: you know, just has no more moral compunction whatever about
Speaker 2: putting other people's lives and fortunes at risk and at peril,
Speaker 2: and then just disregarding the havoc that they cause. It's obscene,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: And he's more than willing to put the deep water
Speaker 1: Navy in that tiny strait, which is shallow water. It's
Speaker 1: very different the way they operate, you know, it's set
Speaker 1: up to be operating to get things at a distance
Speaker 1: that are there in deep water. They can't operate in
Speaker 1: that strait. And if he puts them in there, and
Speaker 1: yet you still have his Secretary of Energy come out
Speaker 1: and lie about the fact that the Navy is escorting
Speaker 1: tankers to straight or hor Moose had a big effect
Speaker 1: on Tuesday in terms of oil even after people realized
Speaker 1: that it was a lie. And even after they took
Speaker 1: the tweet down, even after the White House pulled back
Speaker 1: and said, well, no, that's actually not true, it still
Speaker 1: had the desired effect on the marketplace, which is really
Speaker 1: truly crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, temporarily, you know, I think Maybe's idea is to
Speaker 2: goad the Iranians into attempting to sink an American aircraft
Speaker 2: carrier or something, which would then perhaps give Trump the
Speaker 2: pretext to the Iranians. The man literally said something about
Speaker 2: he's not limited by anything at all except his own
Speaker 2: view of what is right.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, it's anything he wishes. And when he
Speaker 1: was talking about the tariffs and his temper tantrum after
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court shut down that illegal move that he
Speaker 1: had there, when he was talking about that, he said,
Speaker 1: I can do anything I want. I can apply any
Speaker 1: tariff that I want to to any country. I can
Speaker 1: destroy any country that I wish. And of course he
Speaker 1: knows it's a tax, and he knows that a tax
Speaker 1: is the power to destroy. But of course he can
Speaker 1: destroy any country he wishes with arms as well. That's
Speaker 1: what he's trying to do. And back to what we
Speaker 1: were talking about in terms of the war and how
Speaker 1: it's going. Iran has watched what the United States has
Speaker 1: done for a very long time, because we have been
Speaker 1: at war with them, not for forty seven years. The
Speaker 1: clock didn't start when they took over the American embassy
Speaker 1: and they put in the iatolas. That was a response
Speaker 1: to what we'd done about twenty six years earlier, in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, when we overthrew their government. And I
Speaker 1: know because I knew some Iranian students in college who
Speaker 1: were telling me about that. They were protesting the Shaw's
Speaker 1: horrific regime when I was in college and they were
Speaker 1: showing up a balaklavas over their head and everything. I said,
Speaker 1: what's that all about? They said, well, let me tell
Speaker 1: you about the Savak. You know, this thing that's trained
Speaker 1: by the Ciam Masad secret police that would kill and
Speaker 1: torture people if they realize that you're a political opponent.
Speaker 1: That's why we have the itolas is because we did
Speaker 1: regime change once before, and we don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 1: When we do regime change, sometimes we put in something
Speaker 1: that's even worse. And if they say that the Iatola
Speaker 1: is worse than the Shaw, well you caused that just
Speaker 1: like Trump caused the pump prices to go up, he
Speaker 1: caused the iatolas. Our American policy by the CIA and
Speaker 1: the continuing deep state is what caused us to have
Speaker 1: an iotola there. And so these people have been looking
Speaker 1: at this for the longest time. They realize that the
Speaker 1: Achilles heel of the mighty American military is to have
Speaker 1: a drawn out war of attrition and to use asymmetric
Speaker 1: warfare against our very expensive, complicated and centralized systems. And
Speaker 1: they have a decentralized system and even taking out the Iyatola.
Speaker 1: And again I got this from Al Jazeera because you
Speaker 1: have to read you some of these other sources out
Speaker 1: there and try to figure out that the truth lies
Speaker 1: maybe somewhere in between these two extremes that we get here,
Speaker 1: the pro Zionist media here in America and the anti
Speaker 1: Zionist media that's outside of the country. And so what
Speaker 1: they were saying was they had what they called the
Speaker 1: fourth successor, and they had people for deep to replace
Speaker 1: the individual leaders that were taken out, as well as
Speaker 1: decentralized command and control, and so they're in it for
Speaker 1: the long haul.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know, Americans, unfortunately have a very superficial understanding
Speaker 2: of history, even their own recent history. Iraq is a
Speaker 2: parallel for what's going on in Iran, the situational morality.
Speaker 2: For many years, Saddam Hussein was considered to be a
Speaker 2: great ally of the United States. You know, there are
Speaker 2: famous pictures could find online of Don Rumsfeld going to
Speaker 2: Iraq and shaking hands with Sadam Musin.
Speaker 1: And we use him as an ally against Iran.
Speaker 2: Yes, so, But then he became inconvenient for one reason
Speaker 2: or another, and all of a sudden, at that point
Speaker 2: they seem to have recognized, oh, he's a bad guy.
Speaker 2: He has you know, he has dungeons, and he has
Speaker 2: secret police, and he drags people off into the night,
Speaker 2: exactly like the Shah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And for people who live in.
Speaker 2: These countries, it's it's just it's beyond contemptible to hear.
Speaker 2: It's bad enough what they do, but the way they
Speaker 2: have this moral unction when they do it, and preposters
Speaker 2: if they are fighting some sort of great crusade in
Speaker 2: the name of all that is good and decent, when
Speaker 2: they are the most depraved, duplicitous and evil people that
Speaker 2: you can possibly imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Slews had a quote though similar to that. I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what it was, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing worse than somebody's on this moral crusade and
Speaker 1: think that God is on their side. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, the question is are you on God's side?
Speaker 1: First of all, if somebody tells you that God is
Speaker 1: on my side, beware of that person because they typically
Speaker 1: think they're God. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Americans in the main, a lot of them,
Speaker 2: not all, but a lot of them have difficulty viewing
Speaker 2: things from the point of view of others. How do
Speaker 2: you suppose American Catholics would respond if let's say Iran
Speaker 2: had attacked the Vatican and killed the Pope and half
Speaker 2: the College of Cardinals. What do you suppose the reaction
Speaker 2: would have been. You know, you don't have to like
Speaker 2: the Iatola Kamanee. The point is he was their spiritual leader,
Speaker 2: and generally speaking, most people don't like their leader being
Speaker 2: taken out by some foreign country. All they succeeded in
Speaker 2: doing was was generating the fury of the Ranian people
Speaker 2: and the ps or resistance was the bombing of that
Speaker 2: school and killing one hundred and seventy kids girls. That
Speaker 2: just doesn't wear well.
Speaker 1: You know, They can't even apologize for it. Senator Kennedy
Speaker 1: apologized for John Kennedy out of Louisiana. He apologized for it.
Speaker 1: They can't have the decency to say, I'm sorry, we
Speaker 1: made mistake. That's not the type of thing we do. Instead,
Speaker 1: you got Pete Haggsseth. We're going to kill everybody. We're
Speaker 1: going to ragn death and destruction from the skies. How
Speaker 1: more disgusting can you get?
Speaker 2: It's just just beyond the next twenty four hours, that's
Speaker 2: just they sprap the bottom of the barrel. The barrel
Speaker 2: turns out to be even deeper.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, you're talked about killing the pope or whatever,
Speaker 1: that killing the Islamic pope. You are a spiritual leader
Speaker 1: not just in to a lot of people in Iran,
Speaker 1: but to all these sites. And that's about a five
Speaker 1: hundred million people roughly, and so that's not limited to Iran,
Speaker 1: and so the war is not going to be limited
Speaker 1: to Iran either. Yep.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so obviously stilted, so obviously malicious people
Speaker 2: see it. And I'll tell you the thing that worries
Speaker 2: me the most right now is that as vile as
Speaker 2: Trump is that he has, he's kind of gained this out.
Speaker 2: The only thing I can come up with to explain
Speaker 2: the gratuitous eric of his actions lately is that he
Speaker 2: doesn't fear consequences, not worried about the midterms, because I
Speaker 2: think that it's very possible that he's going to pull
Speaker 2: a Zelenski and declare an emergency, and in an emergency,
Speaker 2: we can't have elections because it's too chaotic.
Speaker 1: Anything past that, yeah, I wouldn't put anything past that guy.
Speaker 1: He absolutely has just like hag Saith, they have nothing
Speaker 1: but contempt for the Constitution, for any law, for any rule,
Speaker 1: for any morality. They have contempt for it all. And
Speaker 1: Trump's m I said, We've got three branches of government now, right,
Speaker 1: We've got the legislative, the judicial, and the emergency branch.
Speaker 1: Because that's the way he operates. He declares an emergency
Speaker 1: and then that's whatever he wishes. It's not even the
Speaker 1: executive branch anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, And now Americans have gotten used to the site
Speaker 2: of body armored goons marching around on the streets, so
Speaker 2: it won't seem that odd to them if all of
Speaker 2: a sudden the emergency gets declared, and you know, they
Speaker 2: locked down the cities using these these American latter day
Speaker 2: version of the essay you know back in Germany, you know,
Speaker 2: back in the thirties, I like you, I put absolutely
Speaker 2: nothing past this man anymore.
Speaker 1: Or Pete Hegsseth, don't you don't you find it amazing?
Speaker 1: You know, going back to this fight over you shouldn't
Speaker 1: follow illegal orders? How dare you say that we're going
Speaker 1: to punish you, We're going to take your pension and
Speaker 1: all the rest of this stuff for saying that. Instead
Speaker 1: of saying I didn't do anything, I didn't give any
Speaker 1: illegal orders, he said, how dare you tell people not
Speaker 1: to follow my illegal orders? And now we've got the
Speaker 1: same type of thing happening yet again with Pete Hegseth,
Speaker 1: this time with anthropic and saying we've got some red lines.
Speaker 1: We're not going to allow our stuff to be used
Speaker 1: for We're not going to let you do police state
Speaker 1: domestic surveillance, and we're not going to let you do
Speaker 1: autonomous killing machines. And so then Pete Heegsath said, how
Speaker 1: dare you We're going to destroy you as a as
Speaker 1: a company. That's also unprecedented. We've never seen any that
Speaker 1: happened to anybody, somebody that they're still using their product
Speaker 1: in this Iran war for targeting and for other other intelligence.
Speaker 1: But they're now going to try to destroy that company,
Speaker 1: and they're just off the charts in so many different ways.
Speaker 2: There's also a matter of historical amnesia here, in the
Speaker 2: sense that it was literally considered to be a war
Speaker 2: crime to claim that you are only following orders. You know,
Speaker 2: the Nuremberg Code did not excuse what was done by
Speaker 2: the individual soldiers and the chain of command down the
Speaker 2: line when they claimed, well, you know, the legitimate government
Speaker 2: of the state ordered me to load people into box cars,
Speaker 2: it ordered me to shoot these people. I was only
Speaker 2: following orders. That was not considered a legitimate defense. Even
Speaker 2: though the orders were technically legal, they were still considered immoral.
Speaker 2: So you know, now we're in a situation where again
Speaker 2: the question is that, well, are these orders constitutional? Are
Speaker 2: they immoral? Doesn't matter, they are orders. You must follow orders, right,
Speaker 2: no regartless, and Americans are being conditioned to be good Germans.
Speaker 1: These people are so filled with hubris they know that
Speaker 1: there's not anybody's going to stop them. Nobody's going to
Speaker 1: oppose them except the other tribe and it's going to
Speaker 1: be just dismissed as a tribal opposition. But nobody has
Speaker 1: the power to arrest them in some kind of an
Speaker 1: international criminal court. And so it's like, yeah, you and
Speaker 1: what army is going to bring me up to a
Speaker 1: Nuremberg trial, which they should be facing. You're right, they
Speaker 1: should be facing that. But that's why they're acting this way.
Speaker 1: And of course the GOP as a group is just
Speaker 1: rolling over for all this stuff. They're rolling over for
Speaker 1: the war. This is the party that wants to tell
Speaker 1: you that they're pro life, this is the party that
Speaker 1: tells you that they're for protecting children, and yet they're
Speaker 1: protecting pedophile predators that are there. It's disgusting to see this.
Speaker 1: And they want to tell you that they are there
Speaker 1: to protect the economy. And we've probably never seen anything
Speaker 1: as destructive as this particular war for the economy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly, it couldn't have come at the worst possible time,
Speaker 2: at the worst possible time. You know, we've been reeling
Speaker 2: now for five years since COVID.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, people are just barely clinging to to their
Speaker 2: their their their status quo.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine what will happen when it costs one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars to fill up a vehicle, and when one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars buys you maybe a small bag of groceries
Speaker 2: at the store, if there are any groceries.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: This is this is this is this is economically, politically,
Speaker 2: culturally catastrophic. You know, people when they are pressed into
Speaker 2: desperate situations, are going to begin to behave desperately and
Speaker 2: then then it's then it's game on. And who wants that?
Speaker 1: Nobody?
Speaker 2: Apparently only only people who want that are Trump and
Speaker 2: his sycophanic apologists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a one man tool of chaos. I think
Speaker 1: that was his purpose of being put in. Uh. I
Speaker 1: call him a one man fourth turning war and depression, right,
Speaker 1: and he wants to take us back to the last
Speaker 1: fourth turning of World War two in the Great Depression.
Speaker 1: And he's doing everything he can to take everything down
Speaker 1: because they need to do that. To rebuild their technocracy
Speaker 1: or whatever communist authoritarian nightmare system they got planned, they
Speaker 1: have to first destroy the system. This year, Trump has
Speaker 1: been doing that throughout his first and his second term.
Speaker 1: Especially in the second term, he's really accelerated that they're
Speaker 1: getting very close to their timing of a twenty thirty
Speaker 1: where they want to have this new system in. They've
Speaker 1: been boasting about that for the longest time, and so
Speaker 1: it's got to all happen in this term, and he
Speaker 1: is doing everything he can to create chaos and economic
Speaker 1: depression and war.
Speaker 2: Yep, you know, I apologize. I voted for the guy
Speaker 2: again stupidly. I'll never do anything like that again. And
Speaker 2: I allowed my hope to overcome my judgment. You know,
Speaker 2: I should have remembered the way that he behaved during
Speaker 2: his first term, particularly the last year during COVID. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when did not end the emergency when he had the
Speaker 2: power to do it, when it was very obvious by
Speaker 2: the summer of twenty twenty that the whole thing was
Speaker 2: an overblown, overhyped fraud. He could have that point ended it.
Speaker 2: He chose not to. And what did that do? Set
Speaker 2: the predicate for the mass absentee balloting and for election
Speaker 2: months that assured we were going to end up with
Speaker 2: Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: That's right, And now he's out there threatening to shut
Speaker 1: down the government if they don't pass this Save Act,
Speaker 1: which basically has to say you're not going to do
Speaker 1: any vote by mail. It's like, you're the guy who
Speaker 1: put the vote by mail in with your lockdown stuff,
Speaker 1: and I said it wouldn't happened. I said, this is
Speaker 1: going to be disastrous. This is going to be the
Speaker 1: biggest manipulation of the election that you've seen. I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be manipulated, but I thought it'd
Speaker 1: be manipulated through computerized voting machines primarily. But that offered
Speaker 1: another entirely new dimension. And now he's out there even
Speaker 1: calling it Save America Act. And Save America is the
Speaker 1: name of his pack that he used to grift money
Speaker 1: off of people after the election that he had thrown
Speaker 1: with his rules and lockdown and vote by mail. Then
Speaker 1: he sets up to Save America pack and raises like
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars and sends people to
Speaker 1: January to six. He picked their pockets and put their
Speaker 1: head in a noose. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: I think it's difficult for most of us who aren't
Speaker 2: as sociopaths and psychopaths to really understand how these people
Speaker 2: operate and what they think, because we've got an internal
Speaker 2: check that you know, if a certain thought crosses your mind,
Speaker 2: you go Oh my god, I could not. I can't
Speaker 2: do that. That would be horrific. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: do that. So we don't think what they do. And
Speaker 2: therefore it was difficult for me, I'll give you know,
Speaker 2: to see that that Trump was put in there in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen to further a certain purpose. Come twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: we get Joe Biden. What did we get with that?
Speaker 2: We got the LGBTQ stuff, Tranny's we got the Summer
Speaker 2: of Love, and that naturally outraged most normal Americans, you know,
Speaker 2: they just and COVID stuff on top of it. So
Speaker 2: it sort of set the stage for this this resurgent
Speaker 2: populist nationalist movement that Trump is the head of. You know,
Speaker 2: he's going to ride his white horse in and he's
Speaker 2: going to save us, and people voted for that.
Speaker 1: And I saw that at Info Wars. I saw the
Speaker 1: people that Alex is bringing in that were associated with
Speaker 1: Intelligence agency. And people think of the Intelligence group as
Speaker 1: being these people like Clapper and Brennan who are left wing.
Speaker 1: There's a big right wing component to it, and that
Speaker 1: those are the people that Trump was that Alex is
Speaker 1: bringing in all the time to push Trump. These are
Speaker 1: the people who are behind him the entire time. So
Speaker 1: this is basically really a right wing coup, and I
Speaker 1: mean a real right wing coup, like a Chili type
Speaker 1: of you know, Pinochet type of coup that they're really
Speaker 1: queuing up here.
Speaker 2: Well it was brilliant because, let's hypothesize that Harris had won,
Speaker 2: most of the people who are on the Trump side
Speaker 2: hyper vigilant would have been outraged and protesting by the
Speaker 2: things that Trump has done. But because it's Trump and
Speaker 2: there are members of the Trump cult, the red hat cult,
Speaker 2: they find ways to bend themselves over backwards to come
Speaker 2: up with some fifty five DHSS explanation for it. It's
Speaker 2: beginning to fall apart, but it's astounding the degree to
Speaker 2: which they have snapped into line. Just like the people
Speaker 2: on the left that they derided as NPCs, you know,
Speaker 2: robotic sheep, who were just following whatever the narrative was
Speaker 2: that was being deployed by the left. Well it's exactly
Speaker 2: the same thing now. So you know, the setup seems
Speaker 2: to be that if we do have elections, that there's
Speaker 2: going to be this horrendous backlash against everything that is
Speaker 2: tainted by Trump. He's going to have tainted populism and nationalism,
Speaker 2: perhaps irrecoverably for a generation. I agree, it's like Herbert
Speaker 2: Herbert Hoover all over again.
Speaker 1: I agree, we're going to get.
Speaker 2: An authoritarian, leftist dominated government for the foreseeable future, maybe forever.
Speaker 1: I agree. He's there to poison all the perspective of anybody.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's just like this Christian nationalism thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you're Christian. Oh you support this Christian
Speaker 1: nationalism stuff. It's like, no, but it's this odious thing
Speaker 1: that they associate you with. And then people start running
Speaker 1: the other way. And it's kind of interesting too, because
Speaker 1: remember when Tulsa Gabbard got in. Now she has basically
Speaker 1: discredited herself completely opposing the war now staying silent and
Speaker 1: staying in the regime. She said, my position here is
Speaker 1: to restore trust in government. RFK Junior said the same thing.
Speaker 1: And they have used that blind trust to betray people
Speaker 1: in terms of what people expected them to do. They
Speaker 1: expected RFK Jr. To push back against the COVID shots,
Speaker 1: to expose the vaccines and other things like that, and
Speaker 1: he hasn't really done that. He's allowed that stuff to
Speaker 1: keep going.
Speaker 2: I think it's been very effective at demoralizing people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that nothing ever ever gets done for the good, This
Speaker 2: Epstein thing. The reason it never goes anywhere is because
Speaker 2: both parties are they're all involved in this. You know,
Speaker 2: they have a common interest in suppressing what was going on.
Speaker 2: They have a common interest in making sure that nobody
Speaker 2: is ever held accountable, not Bill Gates dot doctor Fauci,
Speaker 2: whatever happened to any of that. You know, these COVID,
Speaker 2: these people who visited unprecedented harm on the American people,
Speaker 2: nothing happens to them. You or I. You know, we
Speaker 2: drive by a cop not wearing a seat belt, you know,
Speaker 2: and we'll get you know, we'll feel the full force
Speaker 2: and effect of the law even though we've harmed absolutely nobody.
Speaker 2: But you know, you can harm hundreds of millions of
Speaker 2: people if you're Albert burla or or doctor Fauci. Then
Speaker 2: nothing happens. And meanwhile, they co opt people like RFK
Speaker 2: Junior and Gabbard. You know, people think, oh, they're gonna
Speaker 2: they're gonna do something for good, and maybe they've done
Speaker 2: a little bit of good here and there, but at
Speaker 2: the end of the day they got played also, and
Speaker 2: they just looked like fools. That got bamboozled again. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know by the arms man. It's appalling.
Speaker 1: Well, you're talking about getting pulled over from minor traffic violations.
Speaker 1: We just had a it was exposed that there was
Speaker 1: the State Highway Patrol had some quotas evidently, and you
Speaker 1: had certain officers who were very aggressively charging people with
Speaker 1: drunk driving. And well, yeah, one guy like fifty some
Speaker 1: odd people from one trooper and half of them were
Speaker 1: not drinking at all, They were completely sober, but he
Speaker 1: charged them with drunk driving. So yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that we get when they put out quotas.
Speaker 1: With this kind of stuff, you get what we saw
Speaker 1: with ice in Minnesota. And you also see what Scott
Speaker 1: Ritter said was he said, they go in on this
Speaker 1: strike against Iran and they've got quotas in terms of
Speaker 1: the number of places that they want to hit, which
Speaker 1: means that they're not really careful about what they're targeting, right,
Speaker 1: And so you wind up in this situation like we
Speaker 1: did the girls' school. That is the way all this
Speaker 1: stuff is being managed. But let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about cars. You've got an interesting article there breaking for
Speaker 1: a bag tell people are Yeah.
Speaker 2: An interesting story surface the other day about a guy
Speaker 2: who was driving his SUV with something called automated emergency braking,
Speaker 2: which most new cars have now, and especially the system
Speaker 2: confused a plastic bag that was humble weeding across the
Speaker 2: highway with some kind of an object, and the system
Speaker 2: is designed to slam on the brakes, you know, in
Speaker 2: the event that it thinks that the car should break
Speaker 2: and the driver hasn't breaked. Of course, you know, on
Speaker 2: a highway, when that happens for no apparent reason, it
Speaker 2: tends to result in somebody rear ending you. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: just the nature of the thing. And you know, this
Speaker 2: aeb thing. The really pernicious thing about it is that
Speaker 2: the federal government has mandated that come twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 2: all new vehicles have to have this technology. You know.
Speaker 2: The argument is, their argument is that, well, you know,
Speaker 2: we'll save again, we'll save lives, you know, because inadvertent
Speaker 2: people who aren't paying attention to what's going on in
Speaker 2: front of them, the car will break for them. The
Speaker 2: problem with it is, of course, that you have situations
Speaker 2: like this inadvertent breaking that are in and of themselves
Speaker 2: a danger. I've had it happen to me. You know,
Speaker 2: the federal government has registered thousands of incidents of this.
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, I was driving a Toyota
Speaker 2: Prius and I was the only car on the road.
Speaker 2: Nobody was around me, and all of a sudden, the
Speaker 2: car just lamb to a stop. I guess it saw
Speaker 2: a ghost or something. You know, because they always use
Speaker 2: the word smart when they talk about these technologies that
Speaker 2: they're smart, it's just programmed. You and I are smart
Speaker 2: in the sense that we can, you know, we can
Speaker 2: perceive things with our eyes and that it's a wonderful
Speaker 2: biological computer that we have called a brain, can then
Speaker 2: filter and interpret the information and we can immediately say, well,
Speaker 2: that's just a plastic bag. Yeah, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: a child, it's not a deer, it's not anything I
Speaker 2: need to hit the brakes for. I'm just going to
Speaker 2: keep on driving. That these dumb systems that rely on
Speaker 2: a cam find distinction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know it was hallucinating, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you remember a few years ago when they had
Speaker 1: I think it was an uber uh self driving thing,
Speaker 1: and they were they had fully autonomous driving because they
Speaker 1: had somebody behind the wheel and it ran over that
Speaker 1: lady who was homeless, who was crossing the street with
Speaker 1: a shopping cart or something. And they said, well, it
Speaker 1: was dark, she wouldn't have been able to see it.
Speaker 1: And of course the camera that was watching her, she's
Speaker 1: sitting there playing with her phone because she's been lulled
Speaker 1: into passivity because the saying is doing most of what
Speaker 1: it needs to do, but it doesn't stop when it
Speaker 1: sees a person coming. But you know, they said, well,
Speaker 1: you can't see her. She's out there in the dark
Speaker 1: and she's not in the headlcense said yes to this
Speaker 1: thing's got lighter and it can see in the dark.
Speaker 1: Why didn't it slam on the emergency brakes? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: we disconnected the emergency brakes because they were constantly kicking
Speaker 1: on for no reason at all, so we just disabled
Speaker 1: those and it's like one system after the other, right failure.
Speaker 2: There's a dehumanizing aspect of this in my opinion, and
Speaker 2: that it detracts from agency. What do I mean by that, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, when I get behind the wheel of a vehicle,
Speaker 2: I'm in charge of the vehicle. I'm responsible for controlling it.
Speaker 2: And if I am neglectful if I'm pecking at a
Speaker 2: cell phone, I don't do that. But let's say I'm
Speaker 2: pecking away at my cell phone while I'm driving and
Speaker 2: I piled drive into somebody else, Well, then I'm morally
Speaker 2: responsible as well as legally responsible because I didn't maintain
Speaker 2: control of my vehicle. The accident could have been avoided.
Speaker 2: Now with these technologies, is placing people in the position
Speaker 2: of not being either morally or legally responsible. You know,
Speaker 2: after all, the car is responsible, Well who's responsible? And
Speaker 2: when somebody gets killed, who are you going to? Who
Speaker 2: are you going to bring into court or suefer damages?
Speaker 2: And you know, people get killed, and how is that
Speaker 2: going to be compensated?
Speaker 1: You know, and think about that in terms of the
Speaker 1: autonomous killer robots, right, just like we saw with the
Speaker 1: situation at the school, if that was targeted and directed
Speaker 1: by artificial intelligence to whatever role it had. But once
Speaker 1: they go to fully autonomous killer robots, then they can
Speaker 1: come back and say, well, who's responsible for that? It's
Speaker 1: not my job? Right, everybody can pass the buck onto
Speaker 1: somebody else and nobody has a stake responsibility for it.
Speaker 1: And that's another huge region not to have these things
Speaker 1: because it allows people to avoid any responsibility, so it
Speaker 1: allows them to be a lot more reckless and careless
Speaker 1: of what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's another aspect of this I think people
Speaker 2: should be aware of it, which I worry about. It
Speaker 2: is that once these things are a federally required safety feature,
Speaker 2: which they will be in twenty twenty nine, which is
Speaker 2: less than three model years away from now, they will
Speaker 2: probably come up with the argument that a vehicle does
Speaker 2: not have it, older vehicles constitute a threat and a hazard.
Speaker 2: They'll say, well, if every vehicle on the road had
Speaker 2: this automated emergency braking, then all sort of follow each
Speaker 2: other in a correct conga line, and you know, if
Speaker 2: this car break, then that car would break, and they
Speaker 2: would all be in communication through V two V technology
Speaker 2: and we wouldn't have any problems and we'd reduce the
Speaker 2: fatality rate. You know, it will help improve safety. And
Speaker 2: then they'll say, the only way that you can continue
Speaker 2: to operate a vehicle that does not have that technology
Speaker 2: on government roads they call them public roads, they're the
Speaker 2: government's roads. Well, if you retrofit it. The problem is
Speaker 2: that that's not feasible to do it from a technological
Speaker 2: or economic point of view. With older vehicles. You just
Speaker 2: I suppose could do it if you had limitless amounts
Speaker 2: of money and completely re engineered a car. But it's
Speaker 2: not like adding a third brake light. Let's see it
Speaker 2: an extraordinarily complicated piece of technology, and I see this
Speaker 2: as a way another way. There's so many of these
Speaker 2: pincers that are moving, yes, to shut us out of cars,
Speaker 2: but this is the way for them to effectively outlaw
Speaker 2: pretty much every vehicle that was made before roughly twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen or so, when this technology started to come online.
Speaker 1: That's right. It is very much like a singularity where
Speaker 1: you have all these different regulatory threads. As you point out,
Speaker 1: it's like some kind of a spider's web. It's all
Speaker 1: coming together to control every single aspect of our life
Speaker 1: and to make everything illegal. I think they're just kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for the older ones of us to die out.
Speaker 1: I saw this when we were in Virginia trying to
Speaker 1: cover an event at one point in time, and were
Speaker 1: having difficulty seeing this thing. So we thought, well, what
Speaker 1: we're trying to cover, So we thought, let's get a
Speaker 1: boat and we can get a different perspective on it.
Speaker 1: So we go to get a boat, and you had
Speaker 1: to have a license in Virginia to drive a boat.
Speaker 1: And I said, I've been driving a boat. I was
Speaker 1: eight years old, and it said, well, you're old enough
Speaker 1: that your grandfather did. So it's like anybody that was
Speaker 1: over fifty or something like that, they didn't require them
Speaker 1: to have a license, but if you were under fifty,
Speaker 1: you had to have a license. And we're starting to
Speaker 1: see this with smoking cigarettes, for example, I think it
Speaker 1: was New Zealand or Australia, one of them made it
Speaker 1: illegal for anybody to ever smoke a cigarette if you
Speaker 1: were born after a certain date. And so this is
Speaker 1: a kind of insanity. They're just gradually ratcheting everything down
Speaker 1: into a slave state.
Speaker 2: They're doing it. It's kind of like it's an interesting
Speaker 2: dichotomy to me, and that it's sort of the superficial moralizing,
Speaker 2: you know, like how dare you smoke a cigarette? How
Speaker 2: dare you have a beer? Those things are outrageous and
Speaker 2: they must be stamped out forever more. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: these people are perfectly willing to commit genocidal mass murder,
Speaker 2: you know, and do horrible wholesale things to people that
Speaker 2: are egregiously immoral, that's okay, but you better buckle up
Speaker 2: for safety.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's all funny joke about Trump. They said,
Speaker 1: somebody just threw a beer at Trump. Fortunately he was
Speaker 1: able to dodge it because he's a lot of experience
Speaker 1: dodging the draft. So, yeah, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about ethanol blues because while we're talking about alcohol. I
Speaker 1: was at a think tank once and it was all
Speaker 1: these conservative think tanks. Heritage Foundation course the biggest one,
Speaker 1: but all these different states have think tanks as well,
Speaker 1: and so this is a big convention of them. And
Speaker 1: this one organization was hosting an event and they set
Speaker 1: it up as a speakeasy and they as they handed
Speaker 1: out the invitation, they said, if you want to come
Speaker 1: to the party, you just show up and knock at
Speaker 1: the door and say I'm here for the ethanol subsidy.
Speaker 1: So you got ethanol blues again. What's that about.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just an ongoing thing that has been in
Speaker 2: existence now for what forty years, at least maybe fifty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Went as a sop to the agribusiness lobby, which is
Speaker 2: almost as powerful as APEC, they created this requirement in
Speaker 2: federal law that requires the introduction of ethanol into the
Speaker 2: fuel supply. So most of the gasoline that's available at
Speaker 2: the pump is not actually gas. It's ten percent ethanol
Speaker 2: ninety gas. That's what you're buying. So it's adulterated with ethanol.
Speaker 2: Why does that matter, Well, among other things, ethanol has
Speaker 2: less energy b to you content than gasoline. So the
Speaker 2: unit volume, you know, if you have a gallon of
Speaker 2: E ten versus a gallon of one hundred percent pure gasoline,
Speaker 2: you're going to get lower gas mileage. You're not going
Speaker 2: to be able to drive as far on that. So
Speaker 2: it costs you more to drive the ethanol laced gas
Speaker 2: than it does real gas. For older vehicles, it's a
Speaker 2: it's a really sneaky way for them to sort of
Speaker 2: accelerate the obsolescence of vehicles that were made at a
Speaker 2: time when the assumption was that gasoline would be the
Speaker 2: fuel that would be used. And this was all the
Speaker 2: way through the eighties. That's when the RFG thing started
Speaker 2: to ethanol things started to come online. Vehicles that were
Speaker 2: made before then, you know, maybe the engineers assumed that
Speaker 2: the gas tanks, fuel lines, rubber parts, everything that came
Speaker 2: into contact with the fuel was going to be coming
Speaker 2: into contact with gasoline, not alcohol. Alcohol is chemically different
Speaker 2: than gasoline. It has different properties. It interacts differently with
Speaker 2: things like steel lines and plastics and rubbers, and it
Speaker 2: deteriorates and degrades them. That's why, you know, even though
Speaker 2: vehicles have been made to be ethanol compatible now for
Speaker 2: forty something years, power equipment isn't you know, if you
Speaker 2: buy a chainsaw, if you buy a lawnmower, you'll probably
Speaker 2: see a little sticker on it that says, do not
Speaker 2: use ethanol fuel in this thing. You know, you find
Speaker 2: a station that sells they call it now pure gas.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like pure bloods.
Speaker 1: You know, you go to that.
Speaker 2: Sells, it sells pure gasoline, and it's worth the extra cost,
Speaker 2: you know, particularly because it doesn't store very well. That's
Speaker 2: the reason why they don't want you using the E
Speaker 2: ten and in outdoor power equipment that sometimes will sit
Speaker 2: for four months out of the year, you know, during
Speaker 2: the fall, in the winter time. If you leave that
Speaker 2: stuff in the fuel tank, odds are your equipment isn't
Speaker 2: going to work. Comes fring when you need to cut
Speaker 2: the grass or whack the weeds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look at it a big agg you
Speaker 1: talk about the footprint that they've got. I remember the
Speaker 1: back and forth, even people like Al Gore was raging
Speaker 1: about ethnology, says that we don't want this, we don't
Speaker 1: need this, and so the environmentalists weren't pushing it. It
Speaker 1: was big agg that was pushing it. And we just
Speaker 1: saw the last week or so the Trump administration and
Speaker 1: the Republican Party saying we're not only going to not
Speaker 1: stop glafset, a known percinogen that is permeating our food
Speaker 1: supply and poisoning our farm land, but we're going to
Speaker 1: mandate and compel its production, and as part of that,
Speaker 1: we'll give them legal immunity against lawsuits. And the Republicans
Speaker 1: applauded that when Trump did that as an executive order,
Speaker 1: it's just insane.
Speaker 2: Well, they're well paid to do that. They're also talking
Speaker 2: about making E fifteen, which is fifteen percent ethanol, the
Speaker 2: new standard, because again there's a lot of money, and
Speaker 2: you know, people don't really understand the sort of tiared
Speaker 2: effects of this. It's not just the effects in your
Speaker 2: vehicle or your outdoor power equipment. It costs a great
Speaker 2: deal to produce this ethanol, and crops that ordinarily would
Speaker 2: have gone toward feedstocks, let's say for cattle, are are
Speaker 2: instead diverted to the production of ethanol. So it has
Speaker 2: had a secondary effect of causing an increase in the
Speaker 2: cost of food, and people don't understand and realize that
Speaker 2: that's going on. Who benefits. It's not you know, mom
Speaker 2: and pop, farmer Joe down the road. It's these gigantic cartels,
Speaker 2: these combines that are using the government to rob us
Speaker 2: blind and ruin us at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. You got an article about EV the
Speaker 1: real purpose of the EV push. But let me just say,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that you talked about,
Speaker 1: I think it was the Chevy Bolt was a volt?
Speaker 1: Was a volt or bolt the one that had the generator, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're talking about the Vault that was technically a hybrid,
Speaker 2: but it carried its engine chiefly as a generator.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, Now, as Ford it's pulling back from this,
Speaker 1: they're moving towards what they call they're now calling those
Speaker 1: extended range evs er evs, And as you point out before,
Speaker 1: that's probably the best use of an EV that you
Speaker 1: could have in terms of using the motor as a
Speaker 1: battery and simplifying it so you have this hybrid system
Speaker 1: and complicate the transmission stuff that's there and everything. You
Speaker 1: don't have to use it the gasoline as an engine.
Speaker 1: You can just use it as a generator to charge
Speaker 1: the EV and you get a very long range out
Speaker 1: of it. But what's going on with the EV push
Speaker 1: right now besides that?
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking about this the other day and
Speaker 2: it occurred to me that one of the effects, and
Speaker 2: I consider it to be an intentional effect, of the
Speaker 2: attempt to push EV's, and they were pushed very hard
Speaker 2: for a number of years, was to push us out
Speaker 2: of vehicles, both directly and indirectly. Here's how by pushing
Speaker 2: the evs, what they did was to greatly increase the
Speaker 2: cost of vehicles generally, not just the EV's. Reason why
Speaker 2: evs are money losers. You know, Ford said that it
Speaker 2: lost about twenty thousand dollars on the sale of every
Speaker 2: one of its f one to fifty lightnings, probably more
Speaker 2: than that. All the manufacturers that were required to manufacture
Speaker 2: these evs for the sake of regulatory compliance, they had
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to staunch the bleed somewhat.
Speaker 2: So what they did was they pushed out some of
Speaker 2: the costs of the EV thing into the price they
Speaker 2: were charging for their other vehicles, and that's why the
Speaker 2: cost of vehicles has gone up. But the other aspect
Speaker 2: of it that's much more subtle is that the same
Speaker 2: rigs that pushed the evs pushed hybrid drive frames into
Speaker 2: mass production. You know, Originally, when the Toyota Prius came out,
Speaker 2: that's sort of the archetypical hybrid, and it came out
Speaker 2: of what about twenty something meet and twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2: The whole point of it was that, okay, this is
Speaker 2: a vehicle that is focused specifically on very high gas mileage.
Speaker 2: It was fundamentally an economy car, and it made sense
Speaker 2: in that context. You know, essentially, they were using the
Speaker 2: hybrid drive frame to kind of compensate for and overcome
Speaker 2: the fact that new cars have gotten so freaking heavy
Speaker 2: because of all the government safety candy. You know, it
Speaker 2: used to be possible to make a fifty mile per
Speaker 2: gallon car without a hybrid drive train. That's become impossible.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that was the purpose of the of the Prius,
Speaker 2: and you know, its competitors such as the Honda Civic
Speaker 2: hybrid that went on for a number of years. Now,
Speaker 2: if you look at the new car landscape, half of
Speaker 2: the vehicles are more that are on the market of
Speaker 2: all kinds have a hybrid drivetrain, including and I think
Speaker 2: this is the telling part, high end luxury vehicles, Mercedes, BMW's,
Speaker 2: Audi's Lexus. It's risible. It is ridiculous to believe that
Speaker 2: a person who spends sixty seventy thousand dollars on a
Speaker 2: premium luxury vehicle is sweating paying another thirty bucks a
Speaker 2: month for gas. It don't care not flying it because
Speaker 2: it's a hybrid, and yet it is. The Mercedes and BMW,
Speaker 2: two good examples, have cheapened out some of their formerly
Speaker 2: premium vehicles. Used to be that in a vehicle like
Speaker 2: an E class Mercedes or a BMW five, the minimum
Speaker 2: you got was a six cylinder engine for that money,
Speaker 2: a nice six cylinder engine. What do you get now?
Speaker 2: You get a two liter turbo four augmented by a
Speaker 2: hybrid system. It's a compliance drivetrain. And at the same
Speaker 2: time that the hybrid drive frains have come online, the
Speaker 2: price has gone up. The E class Mercedes is now
Speaker 2: sixty thousand dollars without the V six, it's thousands and
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars more expensive. If you look at the
Speaker 2: current Dodge charger, you know, that was an electric car
Speaker 2: until they've realized that wasn't going to sell, and they
Speaker 2: put their new six cylinder engine in with a hybrid
Speaker 2: drive frame, much more expensive than the previous charger with
Speaker 2: just an engine. You know, you look at any vehicle
Speaker 2: you choose to pick that has a hybrid drive frame
Speaker 2: and compare its costs now versus what it costs just
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, two or three years ago
Speaker 2: without the hybrid, and it's many thousands of dollars more expensive.
Speaker 2: I've just been test driving the Toyota Grand Highlander. As
Speaker 2: recently as twenty twenty two. That car came with the
Speaker 2: V six, Toyota's excellent three point five liter V six.
Speaker 2: It now comes with a two point four liter turbocharged engine,
Speaker 2: hybrid augmentation and all of that, and it's seven thousand
Speaker 2: dollars more than it was just years ago. And these
Speaker 2: are the subtle costs that are being imposed on us.
Speaker 2: And who can afford it? You know, it's ridiculous to
Speaker 2: believe that working and middle income people are going to
Speaker 2: be able to pay fifty sixty seventy thousand dollars for
Speaker 2: a basic family kind of a car. So what can
Speaker 2: you conclude from that? You can conclude they're trying to
Speaker 2: make it so that that regular, you know, working in
Speaker 2: middle income people can no longer afford to drive.
Speaker 1: That's that's absolutely it. Yeah, absolutely, they did everything they
Speaker 1: could incentivize the evs. And now, as you see, and
Speaker 1: as you and I talked about this for the longest time,
Speaker 1: so well, we know what's going to happen. They're giving
Speaker 1: them preferential treatment, they're subsidizing them, they're banning other cars
Speaker 1: from these low mission zones. You can only go in
Speaker 1: there if you've got a electric vehicle. Now they're coming
Speaker 1: out to the electric vehicles. Now they're taxing them by
Speaker 1: the mile and doing other things like that. We know
Speaker 1: that that's the way they want to go because then
Speaker 1: that requires that they track you all the time. Right,
Speaker 1: So many aspects of this, but the bottom line is
Speaker 1: that they don't want you to have mobility because mobility
Speaker 1: leads to liberty, just like that was our lifeline during
Speaker 1: COVID stuff was the car and I would take how much.
Speaker 2: More effective the lockdowns would have been if the majority
Speaker 2: of the cars that were in circulation, if they could
Speaker 2: have thrown the proverbial switch, let's see, and simply disabled
Speaker 2: the vehicles remotely, the lockdowns would have been a whole
Speaker 2: lot more effective. I certainly wouldn't have been able to
Speaker 2: do what I did, which was to jump in my
Speaker 2: truck and have a look at what was going on
Speaker 2: out in the real world.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I would drive by the local regional hospital just to
Speaker 2: see whether, you know, the bodies were stacking up and
Speaker 2: the lines were forming outside. And then I did videos
Speaker 2: and reported that, and of course I got de monetized
Speaker 2: on YouTube for doing that. Oh yeah, I was able
Speaker 2: to do it. You know, I live out in the country.
Speaker 2: If if I had been if I had been stuck
Speaker 2: with a connected vehicle an EV and they just shut
Speaker 2: it off, what am I going to do? I'm going
Speaker 2: to bicycle the thirty miles into the city, you know,
Speaker 2: to see what's going on. Probably not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And with all the electronic cent they can very
Speaker 1: easily geo fence you out of any area that they
Speaker 1: want or keep you in the is that they want
Speaker 1: to keep you in. Let's let's go down in memory lane.
Speaker 1: Because it's one of the things I love about Eric
Speaker 1: Petersauto dot Com the fact that you go back and
Speaker 1: look at some of the things that we have grown
Speaker 1: up with, and you've got an article talking about the
Speaker 1: things that are no longer seen, talk about a little
Speaker 1: bit of yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think just generationally, you know, like guys
Speaker 2: our age. You know, if you went went to a
Speaker 2: car show when we were kids, let's say, and you
Speaker 2: looked at a model T for it, and you saw
Speaker 2: all these these strange things in the car. You know,
Speaker 2: what's this little lever on the steering column? Do what
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The pedals weird, you know, and you had to have
Speaker 2: an old timer come along and explain to you, you know,
Speaker 2: what these things did and how the car worked. Well,
Speaker 2: you and I are familiar with things like you know,
Speaker 2: I'm my old muscle car that I have out in
Speaker 2: the garage, my seventy six Pontiact trans am. It's got
Speaker 2: this little little four amount of dimmer switch. Show it
Speaker 2: to a twenty twenty. See they know what that is.
Speaker 2: You know that's gone. You don't see that anymore. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, time progresses and I and I kind of thought, well, okay,
Speaker 2: imagine thirty years from now, if we still have our shows,
Speaker 2: and you know, and people are looking at vehicles from
Speaker 2: this time thirty years from now, and they're going to
Speaker 2: see things like these weird little rectangular things. You know,
Speaker 2: what is that for? What do you what do you
Speaker 2: do with that? And we'll have to explain. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: was a time, you know, we plugged in our devices
Speaker 2: into these things. So that was just one example. You know,
Speaker 2: there are a number of others. You know, people who
Speaker 2: were too young to have remembered the nineties. You remember
Speaker 2: when they had those those those those seat belts that
Speaker 2: buckled you in when you opened the door.
Speaker 1: Oh, I had. I had a car that the vult
Speaker 1: Fwagen Rabbit that I had did that. It had a
Speaker 1: knee bar to keep you from getting hung. I guess,
Speaker 1: you know if you submarine under the seat belt. But
Speaker 1: the seat belt was actually plugged into the door, so
Speaker 1: when we open it up, it would pull it out
Speaker 1: and you could just slide out. And I remember taking
Speaker 1: Karen's grandmother in it, and it would fluster her to no.
Speaker 1: She didn't know how to get out of it. She's
Speaker 1: trying to pull herself up and around it. She'd always
Speaker 1: wrap herself up in the seat belt and I have
Speaker 1: to go around to detach it from the from the
Speaker 1: door to get her out. It was, it was. It
Speaker 1: was kind of crazy. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: Those have been out of production now since I think
Speaker 2: the late nineties, early two thousands. I can't remember when
Speaker 2: they when they were last available now, so it's been
Speaker 2: twenty five years. So you know, somebody was twenty five
Speaker 2: today will probably have absolutely no memory of those kinds
Speaker 2: of things, so you know when they.
Speaker 1: See the things you mentioned is opera windows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another one.
Speaker 1: That was a strange thing when it was done, an
Speaker 1: opera window.
Speaker 2: But I guess maybe the way we used to have
Speaker 2: these things called personal luxury coups, you know, models like
Speaker 2: the old Chevy Monte Carlo uh and the infamous the
Speaker 2: infamous Chrysler Cortoba. You know, they were died in those
Speaker 2: commercials and actually they were neat cars. They were sort
Speaker 2: of they were big cars, but they had two doors.
Speaker 2: You don't see that very often.
Speaker 1: And they had fine Corinthian leather whatever that was leather.
Speaker 2: And one of the features that they used back then
Speaker 2: to signify that you were driving. Something luxurious was the
Speaker 2: opera window, which was this round piece of glass, fixed
Speaker 2: glass that didn't open. It was on the rear seat
Speaker 2: pillar of the car, you know, before the area where
Speaker 2: the rear glass is that that supports the roof, and
Speaker 2: it was just considered very stylish, very chic. You never
Speaker 2: see that working anymore. It's gone the way of t
Speaker 2: tops too. You never see tea talks anymore.
Speaker 1: That's right. And of course I think of opera windows,
Speaker 1: I think of American graffiti and that thunderbird that I
Speaker 1: think it was Suzanne Summers was in in that movie.
Speaker 1: But the other thing you don't see, which is kind
Speaker 1: of in your picture here, and that is the fake
Speaker 1: vinyl roofs that are there, and in the picture that
Speaker 1: you've got here, it's like a one quarter of vinyl roof.
Speaker 1: It was chic to make it look like you had
Speaker 1: a convertible, even if you didn't have a convertible. And
Speaker 1: now when we talk about, you know, drive around, we
Speaker 1: have a convertible. We put the top down, and when
Speaker 1: I see another convertible I look over and invariably is
Speaker 1: some old geezer like me that's driving.
Speaker 2: You know, it's quite something now. You know, the thing
Speaker 2: the most is that you know, we no longer have
Speaker 2: genuine luxury cars. There was once a distinction between a
Speaker 2: luxury car and a sports car. And then because everybody
Speaker 2: decided they had to be BMW. This began in the eighties.
Speaker 1: And mid lighties.
Speaker 2: BMW was considered sort of head to I need the
Speaker 2: euro cachet thing. Everybody wanted to be like like BMW.
Speaker 2: And instead of having like really comfortable three across bench
Speaker 2: seats for example, and a Coln sugar and a ride
Speaker 2: that was designed to be plush, You're not in a hurry,
Speaker 2: You're just you're wanting a comfortable, smooth riding car. Now
Speaker 2: we all have luxury sport cars with these sinuin bucket
Speaker 2: seats and look I like sporty cars. The point is
Speaker 2: everything doesn't have to be sporty. Now minivans are sporty.
Speaker 2: It's absurd. You know, they all ride on eighteen nineteen
Speaker 2: inch wheels and you know they have rough rides. You know,
Speaker 2: those who are there, people who have never had the
Speaker 2: chance to ride in a big land yacht American car
Speaker 2: from the seventies are really missing out on something. There
Speaker 2: used to be a really profound difference in the way
Speaker 2: you felt when you were driving something like a Cadillac Saidandeville,
Speaker 2: or an Olds ninety eight and something like my trans am.
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a big, big difference. Now they
Speaker 2: pretty much all drive the same. Irrespective of the make, model,
Speaker 2: type of car, they're all pretty much the same. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember my dad had a big Catillac Saidandeville, and
Speaker 1: my car was a little Triumph spitfire. And to go
Speaker 1: from one to the other kind of rip your head off,
Speaker 1: you know, Richard. And this, like you said, this gigantic,
Speaker 1: smooth riding and a seat and everything. It's like a
Speaker 1: mobile living room. And then you go from that this
Speaker 1: little tiny, rattling thing that's looking like you can drive
Speaker 1: underneath the truck that's right next to you. It truly
Speaker 1: was amazing. Yeah, those are the days, weren't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were. And I think it's a shame that
Speaker 2: there was this concerted effort, a marketing effort to kind
Speaker 2: of make fun of, you know, the old man's car,
Speaker 2: the you know, the Cidandeville with the white walls and
Speaker 2: the wire hubcaps. I think we've lost something as a
Speaker 2: result of that, you know, we've lost the diversity, indifference
Speaker 2: that used to exist in the marketplace. Everything is just
Speaker 2: just homogeneously bleakly the same now. And there's something ridiculous
Speaker 2: about all these three hundred horsepower four hundred horsepower cars
Speaker 2: puttering along, you know, at just barely the speed limit.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know, that's right.
Speaker 2: I can deal with it when I you know, when
Speaker 2: I roll up behind somebody who's driving, say an old
Speaker 2: Volkswagen Beetle, because I used to have one. I know
Speaker 2: the car is struggling to keep up. You know, it's
Speaker 2: having a tough time sent five or seventy miles an hour.
Speaker 2: But it's just obnoxious to have to come up behind
Speaker 2: some guy, you know, driving forty seven and a fifty
Speaker 2: five and he's driving his truck with you know, four
Speaker 2: hundred horsepower V eight. It's just it's grecruiously stupidly wasteful,
Speaker 2: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And I see it as an almost, uh, as a
Speaker 1: temptation that I almost cannot get past when I've got
Speaker 1: these big engines and lower speed limits. So I don't
Speaker 1: like that aspect of it, as well as like they're
Speaker 1: really tempting me to do something there. Well, it's always
Speaker 1: great talking to you, Eric, thank you for joining us,
Speaker 1: and I love Eric petersautos dot com is much more
Speaker 1: what he's talking about there as well as we didn't
Speaker 1: even get to Corvettees and what's happened to them over
Speaker 1: the years. But always great content. Thank you Eric. Always
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, David. Always enjoy our talks.
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