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<v Speaker 1>Hello listeners. Ianto and Stephen will be here with the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast in just one minute, But first, just a quick

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<v Speaker 1>content warning for this episode. As we know, there are

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<v Speaker 1>dark elements of all episodes of Inside Number Nine. However,

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<v Speaker 1>this one has some particularly tricky themes of child abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>so please bear that in mind before listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. I'm Yanto

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm Stephen.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a podcast all about the weird and

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful world of the dark comedy anthology series Inside Number Nine.

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<v Speaker 2>On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheersmith's twisted tales, putting it under

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<v Speaker 2>a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.

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<v Speaker 3>So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and

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<v Speaker 3>join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you doing. I'm okay, warm, warm, E's likelyferent setting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we are in a slightly different setting.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not two hundred miles away.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we are in the podcast flesh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's weird, it's slightly strange.

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<v Speaker 2>It does feel strange, isn't it. But yes, I'm up

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<v Speaker 2>in York first time. I think it is my first time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Other than how are you finding it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's lovely, it's very nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you showed me around parts of the city yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>which was nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Wonder around it was very people, but otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very people. Yeah. Yeah, it's like having a

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<v Speaker 2>personal tour guide. My main takeaway I remember was some

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<v Speaker 2>every kit cat in the country has made it sound

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<v Speaker 2>like that, just exaggerate it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>True though. As far as so, you came up so

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<v Speaker 3>we could watch a play last night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and not just any play. No, there's a tangential

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<v Speaker 2>slightly sort of like connection Jeremy Dyson and Andy Nyman's

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<v Speaker 2>play The Psychic, which was on at.

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<v Speaker 3>York Theater Royal final night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got to see the final performance.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really good. I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was good, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still not entirely sure what happened. Yeah, I really

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<v Speaker 3>enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>We were saying we weren't really sure what to expect,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't that. No, Yeah, it was still really enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 2>Good performances.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say I recommend going and see it, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's done now. Yeah, I think it's going on tour.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would be good. So if you do it

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<v Speaker 2>comes near you, I would recommend it. So we need

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<v Speaker 2>to reveal last week's hair. First of all, it was

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<v Speaker 2>the referees a anka.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, next week we've got a quiz. I just know

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be asking me some ridiculously anal question

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<v Speaker 2>like or name every appliance that they have in the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll just be sitting there like, oh god, was

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<v Speaker 2>there a toaster? Is there a freezerker? Of absolutely a

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<v Speaker 2>freezer wanker, which was a fun one to try and

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<v Speaker 2>get in.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. I was really impressed how you did it

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<v Speaker 3>that I forgot. I had to do my.

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<v Speaker 2>Part said is there a freezer? And then I was

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<v Speaker 2>just waiting and I think you thought I was waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for a companiment, so that it was just like nas.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, we still got to your bit. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to call me a wanker. Yeah yeah, so yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I don't know if you spotted it. And listen

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<v Speaker 3>out for one this week as we discuss series seven,

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<v Speaker 3>episode six, Wise Owl, everyone remembers the wise Owl. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>the bossy cartoon bird keeping children safe. Back in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventies, those old information films had a lasting effect

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<v Speaker 3>on all of us, especially Ronnie, who spent his entire

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<v Speaker 3>life trying to do the right thing. But what is

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<v Speaker 3>right and what is wrong? A big one this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a big one, like real big mmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, considering we're at series seven of something, for it

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<v Speaker 3>to be such a good episode, it's really impressive. Like

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<v Speaker 3>not to say that their others aren't really good around

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<v Speaker 3>this time, yeah, but to have one of their big

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<v Speaker 3>ones be this late into the run is Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a testament to how good they are as rights.

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<v Speaker 2>So my question is in terms of the series getting

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<v Speaker 2>renewed each year, like I'm guessing each year they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily know they were going to get another series, so

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<v Speaker 2>potentially each final episode of a series could be the

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<v Speaker 2>last one ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So this one, I feel like really works from that

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<v Speaker 2>point of view of it being like a really good

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<v Speaker 2>mirror to Sardines in like the themes of child abust

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. It takes it in a very different direction

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<v Speaker 2>as well. We'll discuss, but yeah, it's I think that

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<v Speaker 2>if it had ended here, not that they would have

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<v Speaker 2>done because they had to do nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you've got this close.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it had, I think that would have been

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<v Speaker 2>quite a nice book end.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you hadn't looked at it that way? They said that.

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<v Speaker 3>So this was still COVID year, and they were told

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<v Speaker 3>by the BBC to make COVID friendly scripts. Yeah, animation

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<v Speaker 3>is great. It's one Mandarine things. No one needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be there. So that's a fairly how they started it, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>And based on all obviously the child's sort of public

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<v Speaker 3>safety films, which horrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they are horrifying, weird.

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<v Speaker 3>All of them are not all of them are terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess, I guess that's the point.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I used to. I went through a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a phase of just being interested in all those and

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<v Speaker 2>watching when I was about eleven. But this was back

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<v Speaker 2>in the days before YouTube, and so watching videos of

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<v Speaker 2>things was like, you know, we used to click on

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<v Speaker 2>it would bring up like a real player or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's these Charlie says ones with the cat,

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<v Speaker 2>which the animation start is obviously directly incredibly based on,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh my god, I'm so amazed by how well

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<v Speaker 2>they recreated it, Like this is something they do really well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look back at the Devil of Christmas in

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<v Speaker 2>that seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>Style, mimicking it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they are so good. It's not just obviously

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<v Speaker 2>recent Steve. It's the whole production team and the way

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<v Speaker 2>they come together to make everything to make something that

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<v Speaker 2>really could be. Like you could watch this for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time and see those first couple of films and

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<v Speaker 2>think they were real.

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<v Speaker 3>You could, yeah, easily, and like considering how close they

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<v Speaker 3>are to Charlie says, yeah, and you've not maybe watched

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<v Speaker 3>it in years, and you might have forgotten that it

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<v Speaker 3>was a cat not an owl. Yeah, And like I

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<v Speaker 3>think the first time I watched it, I did wonder

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<v Speaker 3>is this Yes, like have they licensed and made new

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<v Speaker 3>ones of a thing to fill the story? Because I

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<v Speaker 3>was certain I'd seen this character before And it's probably

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<v Speaker 3>just that the kid looks so similar just.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing I think stylistically were going. Charlie says, like

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<v Speaker 3>And the slightly blobbly the blob.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, but interestingly I was doing some research and

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<v Speaker 2>there is also the character of whiz Al is slightly

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<v Speaker 2>based done Yeah the play safe film. Yes, not voicing character,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, That's an interesting one because that's obviously that's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing like this, but it's just the character of a

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<v Speaker 2>sort of you know why out to do and the

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<v Speaker 2>power lines and stuff like, so they're kind of amalgamated

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<v Speaker 2>those two into one thing. Really clever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the one about the kids playing in like

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<v Speaker 3>is it playing in swamps or something? Always got me

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<v Speaker 3>with the like the death figure in the Big Cloyes

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<v Speaker 3>what you mean, Yeah, and this kid's about to drown

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<v Speaker 3>and then he doesn't, and the death gets like defeated

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<v Speaker 3>and he just becomes a cloak that's floating in the

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<v Speaker 3>in the river and it's playing is it playing the river?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember? And then it ends with him being like,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'll be back. Oh yeah, it's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they are. They are traumatizing, but also it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>just interesting from like a sociological point of view that

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<v Speaker 2>like they felt they need to make these that like

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<v Speaker 2>parents should be teaching their children how to be safe.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they're not, then you know, are these are

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<v Speaker 2>these things aimed at children or at parents or both.

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<v Speaker 3>Or I don't know. I wonder if there's an element

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<v Speaker 3>of well, the world's changed so much in this time

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<v Speaker 3>the seventies. Yes, in the last fifty years, these parents

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<v Speaker 3>don't when they were kids, not all these problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Are a problem. Well yeah, but you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know what I mean, Like, you know, I like power lines,

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<v Speaker 3>and like the amount of traffic and exactly yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>various things that maybe weren't such a problem. So they

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<v Speaker 3>don't know that they need to wear warn kids that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I don't know. I mean, I know, obviously rivers

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<v Speaker 3>have been around and been a problem, exactly a stranger

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<v Speaker 3>danger and everything's always been a problem, I guess, But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe there's an element that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it's like I think any time

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<v Speaker 2>within the last fifty sixty sent years, like people are

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<v Speaker 2>always saying, oh, you know, people would complain about parents

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<v Speaker 2>today and say they don't know how to look after

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<v Speaker 2>their children. Probably, but I'm sure they were saying that

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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies as well, And so that's probably where

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this comes from. You know, they need

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<v Speaker 2>to be need to be told. Yeah, but no, they

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<v Speaker 2>are horrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>They're really horrifying. Steve talked through several of them that

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<v Speaker 3>he remembered from being a kid and liked not necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>from public information things, but just terrifying children's things. Are

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<v Speaker 3>you aware of an incredible character called mister Nosybunk.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not, but I want to know more.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you like a photo? He is absolutely terrifying?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, apparently did really well based on kids both loved

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<v Speaker 3>and were terrified of him. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're listening, google mister Noisy Bunk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, enjoy he is horrifying. Wow, loads of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of the stuff that's made for children

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<v Speaker 2>actually is pretty uncanny and freepy when you look at it.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is. And this is an element of just

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<v Speaker 3>kids don't know that they should be scared of it yet,

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<v Speaker 3>so it doesn't quite affect them in the same way

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<v Speaker 3>as it does maybe adults. But yeah, it's weird. Isn't

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<v Speaker 3>it really weird? So? Are you aware that whise Oul

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't made up for this? That he did exist in

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<v Speaker 3>the legal gentleman era? No, vaguely so. He first appeared

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<v Speaker 3>in a legal gentleman book in two thousand and one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just like a little doodle, which is uncannonly

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<v Speaker 3>like the how he works here. Oh so the picture

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<v Speaker 3>there that I recommend you look up. Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it's creepy, but it talks about how it's sort

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<v Speaker 3>of the same sort of thing Dad has wise Oul

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<v Speaker 3>when he comes out at night, right, And it's just

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<v Speaker 3>the book. I can just have a picture of it.

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<v Speaker 2>bog standard. They just sort of but they relate directly

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<v Speaker 2>to what is about to happen in the real world,

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<v Speaker 2>like treating electricity safely and then getting in the bath

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<v Speaker 2>with the toaster. I haven't made that connection. And then

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've not connected that one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering how many of these that we see of

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<v Speaker 3>these public information films actually were the ones that were

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<v Speaker 2>Memories that yeah bleeding in yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like portrayed as in that style, But how many of

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<v Speaker 3>them were actually real? What do you mean like we're

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<v Speaker 3>broadcast at the time that it's meant in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh get yes, now I get exactly what me

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<v Speaker 2>and I was wondering the same thing, because because it

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<v Speaker 3>It, it's a transitions.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, Yeah it was they were real, But do.

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<v Speaker 3>We see any real ones A stranger danger probably one is.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume the first two basically are real. But also

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<v Speaker 2>why you know, why this man was voicing this character

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<v Speaker 2>and why does his son look exactly like the child

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<v Speaker 2>in this thing that he didn't design?

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<v Speaker 3>He was just a voice of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, so maybe you're meant to think maybe, well yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe you're right, but we don't see any of

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<v Speaker 2>the realm. Maybe we just see public information film style

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<v Speaker 2>versions of his childhood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I think it probably is.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, that makes a lot more sense, and it's just.

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<v Speaker 3>How Ronnie remembers his childhood through this lens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so true. And thought of that, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>really true. I also think the casting of ron Cook

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<v Speaker 2>was amazing because I mean, he looks a bit owlish,

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<v Speaker 2>and then and the nose and then the animation of

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to mention the weird little mouth thing that

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<v Speaker 3>a tongue. It's very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>I had noticed that. Is it inside his beak?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's just under his beak.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a mouth. Okay, yeah, I guess just to

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<v Speaker 3>It's very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to just call out the music, like

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<v Speaker 2>the music's always good in Sevenember nine, and he's good

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<v Speaker 2>at doing lots of different genres that's what's required. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the little flute, like the vibraphone and stuff, it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>exactly like something that would have been recorded in a

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<v Speaker 2>studio in the seventies, like really cheaply just to make

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<v Speaker 3>Probably cost a fortune nowadays to emulate it exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's it's so perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wish you call that Sam Leary that did

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<v Speaker 3>the animation as well. It had him on the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>talking about it and how he does it digitally now.

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<v Speaker 3>But how much work it was to make it look

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<v Speaker 3>analog I can imagine, like how he'd have to color

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<v Speaker 3>all he'd have to insert separate slide so that armors

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<v Speaker 3>moved jerkily and things where they normally would just flow perfectly,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, coloring purposely different frames to look so they

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<v Speaker 3>do that thing of flickering flickering.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've had the first public information film of Don't

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<v Speaker 3>Play with Pylons.

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<v Speaker 2>I found that it irritated me a bit the way

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<v Speaker 2>that he was like, oh, don't don't climb up there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's dangerous and all that, and they're like, but my kite,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and then he says, oh, maybe our friend

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<v Speaker 2>the wind can help and he blows it and it's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of it's like, oh, happy ending she got the

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<v Speaker 2>kite back. Anyway, but surely the message should be your

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<v Speaker 2>life's more important than.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know you've just got this kite, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just think it cheapened it a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, And then we cut to the real world. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we have Reese as Ronnie this week in his sort

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<v Speaker 3>of best rich of the third Meet the Beatles.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I was thinking, yes, how many weeks on this

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<v Speaker 2>are they going to give Reese? It's like someone bet,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that to see? You know what's terrible? We can

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<v Speaker 2>be given this week?

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<v Speaker 3>Need to make a little TikTok of the do you

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<v Speaker 3>wear wigs? Have you gone?

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<v Speaker 2>When will yours? What have I not thought of that brilliant.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, grim looking house which.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks like window sill in the seventies, it does.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what point I work could place what

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<v Speaker 3>you were actually meant to be exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's when he gets his smartphone out and

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<v Speaker 2>does the FaceTime yeah suddenly into yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So terrible situation. Yeah, an avocado baths suite. Oh and

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<v Speaker 3>the carpet and carpet off the side of the bath.

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<v Speaker 3>It's horrible. I'm sorry, but this house is awful. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the taxidermy animals don't help.

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<v Speaker 3>But don't help. But the wallpaper, the carpet in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 3>carpeted sides of the bath oh yeah, and not just

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<v Speaker 3>like regular carpet, like furry carpet.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh lovely.

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<v Speaker 3>Well ignore the suicide, like I'm more focused.

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<v Speaker 2>On this, Yeah, which is the biggest crime against nature?

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, yeah, joke aside, Rodney isn't very happy, no

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<v Speaker 3>bless him.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I didn't twig that the voice saying twit

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<v Speaker 2>you was like, why was I telling him not to

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<v Speaker 2>do that? Because of electricity and all that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I was just thinking he was just

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<v Speaker 2>hearing the voice and remembering it, but not that it

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<v Speaker 2>was connected to what he was about to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he probably just hears this voice all the time

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<v Speaker 3>whenever he's doing anything, whenever crosses the street. And also yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just so ingrained in him.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's really obvious as soon as you see

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<v Speaker 2>Reese that it's supposed to be the same boy from

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<v Speaker 2>the film, like grown up, like with the hair.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I don't know if I clocked it straight away,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's probably just me. It's probably is meant to

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like it's obvious. Yeah, but it is confusing

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<v Speaker 2>when the house looks like it's concurrent with when the

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<v Speaker 2>film would have been made and he's aged like fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I think I probably didn't tweak that

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<v Speaker 3>it was him straight away because first, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that it might have been like an ip

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<v Speaker 3>that they bought and like made new episodes of. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and again with Charlie says that he looks so similar

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<v Speaker 3>to that kid that I thought it was that kid

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<v Speaker 3>rather than young Reese. So that's why I didn't get

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<v Speaker 3>it straight away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Even the children's voice acting, and it is really authentic.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw them in their credits, but I didn't look

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<v Speaker 3>them up to know how old they work, whether they

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<v Speaker 3>work at children.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine the imagine they were children. They sound like

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<v Speaker 2>they do to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also the radio in the bath playing racaman off, which

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<v Speaker 2>was also another link back to the series one. What's

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<v Speaker 2>it called quite a nye in? I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same piece of music. It might be a different movement

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<v Speaker 2>from the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Piece, right, but yeah, I could not have told you

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<v Speaker 3>what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's famously used in Brief Encounter the old film, so

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<v Speaker 2>that it's almost like I do wonder if maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>thought this might they might not get renewed and this

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<v Speaker 2>might be the last one ever. So it's like the

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<v Speaker 2>time back, lots of references and yeah stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea, but I can. I can totally

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<v Speaker 3>see the link if it is. If it is that

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<v Speaker 3>was the case, So we get a good bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Next Steve appears.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve. He's not in it much this week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's when he appears. It's wonderful, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a reverse lip service with mister Muller, like

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<v Speaker 3>he's playing it for a Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know who he absolutely reminded me of in

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<v Speaker 2>this role, Paul Chuckle right, Okay, mustache and the eighties

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<v Speaker 2>mullet and the accent as well. It was really like,

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<v Speaker 2>yeahs Rabbit Ferrari. It was like, where's Barry.

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<v Speaker 3>Ferrari? Rabbit not we die?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although you have the daughter's xylophone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, anything goes. He has some great lines at this

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<v Speaker 3>he does. We're just laughing into each other while watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>Just now. I'll just tell her it's always tired. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't need it looking like a ballerina doing Patrick Potter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need legs.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's cheaper, that's the best bits covering straw.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean to imagine it would be cheaper,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot less work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, But also what's his what's his plan? Because

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, he's not going to tell the daughter. How

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<v Speaker 2>long is he planning to just leave this taxi dermid

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit in the corner of a hutch?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's only five? Like, at what point do you

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<v Speaker 3>start telling kids about death like this? This rabbit's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have to sit still for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, I think. And also he's saying about, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got that coming up with my mother, but surely

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<v Speaker 2>it's better for children to experience it through a pet first,

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<v Speaker 2>you think, so human Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's a whole side story that we not

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<v Speaker 3>evolved in.

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<v Speaker 2>But now he's brilliant, Derek blinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Derek blinking. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he takes the rabbit h and we go in

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<v Speaker 2>and we see a lot of creepy stuffed animals around

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<v Speaker 2>the house.

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<v Speaker 3>There were a lot The set decorators this week must

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<v Speaker 3>have had a whale of a time. They must have

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<v Speaker 3>had to go because not only did they have to

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<v Speaker 3>find off ones like not bad but not good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. I think they always pretty much look

428
00:20:58.599 --> 00:20:59.759
<v Speaker 2>like that. I don't think I've ever seen a really

429
00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:00.160
<v Speaker 2>good one.

430
00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:02.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh you do see good ones in like in museums

431
00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:03.160
<v Speaker 3>and things.

432
00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but yeah, generally always a bit They're uncanny, aren't they. Yeah,

433
00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the eyes and the mouth.

434
00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:17.000
<v Speaker 3>That cat, it's the lamb with no ears for some reason.

435
00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh that I always I don't like. I don't know

436
00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:21.400
<v Speaker 3>if you say it's a slip back or what, but

437
00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:25.839
<v Speaker 3>it's very very odd to look at each of their own.

438
00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:27.160
<v Speaker 3>But I don't understand.

439
00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Tax No, I don't understand it at all.

440
00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Fair enough, maybe one thing like if you had a

441
00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.640
<v Speaker 3>cat or whatever, but if the people have dozens of things,

442
00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:35.559
<v Speaker 3>maybe don't get that.

443
00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.200
<v Speaker 2>And me even one is like why would you? Why

444
00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:40.599
<v Speaker 2>would you do that to something you loved? Like it's

445
00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:44.640
<v Speaker 2>its body, it's not gonna, it's not the cat, it's

446
00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.160
<v Speaker 2>not the actual thing. It's yeah, anyway, it's a bit deep.

447
00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:51.640
<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, no, no, it's weird.

448
00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:55.200
<v Speaker 2>It's very weird. Yeah. Sorry if any listeners have their

449
00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.160
<v Speaker 2>pet stuffed, but I think it's weird. Each their own

450
00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:01.720
<v Speaker 2>feel for to message it and explain why it means

451
00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:02.119
<v Speaker 2>something to you.

452
00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:04.920
<v Speaker 3>We're ready to.

453
00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:10.920
<v Speaker 2>And he's also seeing a feather in the bath, which

454
00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:12.279
<v Speaker 2>is very ominous.

455
00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:16.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a creepy one. When I first watched it,

456
00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:18.359
<v Speaker 3>I remember it wasn't quite as creepy as I remember

457
00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.480
<v Speaker 3>it being. I remember it being quite scary when I

458
00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:24.119
<v Speaker 3>watched it the first time. But yeah, there's a lot

459
00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:26.759
<v Speaker 3>of unsettling stuff going on, and you have no idea

460
00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:27.440
<v Speaker 3>where this is going.

461
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you obviously just feel sorry for this man.

462
00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:35.240
<v Speaker 2>He's obviously going through a lot. Yeah, he's haunted by

463
00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.839
<v Speaker 2>this this owl in some way.

464
00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Plus also it's race, so we've been taught to expect

465
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:48.200
<v Speaker 3>he's going to be evil in some way shape. He's

466
00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:49.640
<v Speaker 3>more often than not the bad guy.

467
00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:51.720
<v Speaker 2>He's very good at it.

468
00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:54.759
<v Speaker 3>You've got that subconsciously in your mind.

469
00:22:54.839 --> 00:23:00.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we get the film at the beach, stranger doing.

470
00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, which to me feels the most like it might

471
00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.720
<v Speaker 3>be Yes. I thought that it doesn't really link to

472
00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.680
<v Speaker 3>anything that's happened in the episode, Like so the first one,

473
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.079
<v Speaker 3>you would say the same with the pylon, but it's

474
00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:14.960
<v Speaker 3>the kite that she's got for her birthday.

475
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.200
<v Speaker 2>The kite and then the radio and the bath.

476
00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:20.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but I mean in terms of the old literally

477
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:25.119
<v Speaker 3>bad story story, whereas this one doesn't the reference to the.

478
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Beach, they don't, But I feel like it's relevant in

479
00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the sense that remember why else says I will always

480
00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:34.039
<v Speaker 2>stay safe with your mummy and daddy, And he says about,

481
00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:36.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't talk to people you don't know. But

482
00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.720
<v Speaker 2>actually the truth is that normally when Charlie's happens, it's

483
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>someone that they do know, and it's not a stranger

484
00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:42.920
<v Speaker 2>that you have to worry about. So and then when

485
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:44.799
<v Speaker 2>he says about stay safe with your mummy and daddy

486
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.240
<v Speaker 2>and the little boys, he doesn't call for his daddy

487
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.119
<v Speaker 2>just cause mummy. Yeah, So it kind of there's a

488
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.640
<v Speaker 2>relevance there, but you wouldn't pick up on that watching

489
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>it the first time.

490
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Like I said, going back to which ones are real,

491
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.200
<v Speaker 3>which ones aren't, Like I said, I don't really think

492
00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:01.559
<v Speaker 3>anything that's probably the most likely to have been real.

493
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.160
<v Speaker 3>He gets a load of letters and drawn dodgy letters, mail,

494
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.319
<v Speaker 3>total random prop But do you see when he's putting

495
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.279
<v Speaker 3>the thing in the drawers, there's a book on how

496
00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:13.880
<v Speaker 3>to complain about goods and services?

497
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:18.599
<v Speaker 2>What's that doing? Excellent?

498
00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Read the whole book on that, like it was. It

499
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:24.519
<v Speaker 3>was very It was a thin book.

500
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, how many chapters can you say about how to complain.

501
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.039
<v Speaker 3>Such an odd prop to have inn iesight?

502
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Like the camera line, So the birthday film.

503
00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.359
<v Speaker 3>So she's got a doll that looks terrifying, a tea

504
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.400
<v Speaker 3>set and a Kate said, linking back to the pylon.

505
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:56.599
<v Speaker 2>That's my question for this episode being changed. Then, Oh, well,

506
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.279
<v Speaker 2>so we don't, I mean, not much happens in that

507
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:05.319
<v Speaker 2>other that she wants to light the candles.

508
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.240
<v Speaker 3>That's like the candles. Yeah, and it cuts away before

509
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:12.680
<v Speaker 3>anything happens. Oh something went back to here and.

510
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:17.279
<v Speaker 2>We see Ronnie's grown up. Ronnie's got burns under his

511
00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>beetles hair, and again he's getting haunted by this you know,

512
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 2>creepy fluttering everywhere. And then there's this bedroom door that, yeah,

513
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:30.319
<v Speaker 2>there's something going on behind.

514
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:30.519
<v Speaker 3>Then.

515
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.240
<v Speaker 2>I was so confused originally watching this because I assumed

516
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.559
<v Speaker 2>for Ages that obviously as he meant to, I think

517
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.759
<v Speaker 2>that this is his house where he lives. Yes, and

518
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.119
<v Speaker 2>then there's a twist later, but I think it took

519
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 2>me a couple of watches to actually understand that. Yeah,

520
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.920
<v Speaker 2>but again you just watch it now and it's like

521
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:50.519
<v Speaker 2>they make it extremely obvious. So I don't know where

522
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>my brain was.

523
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:52.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what do you have nothing to go on?

524
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, your brain just makes assumptions and yeah, just.

525
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Why like only connected so hard? You have no idea

526
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:02.079
<v Speaker 3>what film of question we're on right now? If this

527
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 3>sport is this history? Like who knows?

528
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:07.319
<v Speaker 2>So he makes his bed on the floor of the

529
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:07.799
<v Speaker 2>living room.

530
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there is a sofa right there. That's true, but

531
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:14.759
<v Speaker 3>we finally figure out, like you said, with the smartphone

532
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 3>when the hell.

533
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's so weird because the how like those

534
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.240
<v Speaker 2>videos and the video machine and the TV. It's also

535
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 2>of the time.

536
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just feel wrong him having a fancy phone

537
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:32.279
<v Speaker 3>as well, that could do. I'd kind of expect him

538
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:37.400
<v Speaker 3>to have an old like Nokia if anything. Yeah, I

539
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 3>love his mum. Yeah, so George Glenn, I don't know her.

540
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh she's in everything, like she always has tiny parts

541
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.240
<v Speaker 2>in everything, like BBC stuff, and I think she's in

542
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Calendar Girls back in the day. Oh yeah, I don't

543
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:56.319
<v Speaker 2>know why that sticks in my memory, but yeah, she's

544
00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:59.000
<v Speaker 2>always good Scottish. If you couldn't tell from the name,

545
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.240
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, she's a good Northern accent for this.

546
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.799
<v Speaker 3>She's great. She's really sweet as well. She is lovely

547
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 3>just calling between the curries.

548
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously, you know, we get drips later on.

549
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.400
<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, I'm trying to piece together where Ronie's

550
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>been and what his situation is, because obviously they talk

551
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 2>about you know, where you've been, like as if he's

552
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.359
<v Speaker 2>been in some sort of institution. Yeah, but how long

553
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 2>has he been out of that and where does he

554
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:27.559
<v Speaker 2>live now?

555
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well she's not seen him in three years, she says, yeah,

556
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 3>and if he was in the institution until recently, she

557
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.839
<v Speaker 3>could have visited him. Yeah, So presumably he's been out

558
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Speaker 3>for at least three years and he's.

559
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Just doing his own thing.

560
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 3>I guess. So I don't know. Yeah, but she seems

561
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:44.799
<v Speaker 3>she's nice.

562
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she seems really Yeah, considering what happened and everything,

563
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>she loves him.

564
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.359
<v Speaker 3>I think I noticed on this last watch she says

565
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 3>about how are you coming over for dinner tomorrow or

566
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.799
<v Speaker 3>Monday or whenever it was, and he says, will dad

567
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.599
<v Speaker 3>be there? And I think if you don't know what's

568
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.039
<v Speaker 3>going on, it's more the opposite of yeah, oh, i've

569
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 3>not seen Dad in ages? Is he coming? Would be

570
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 3>lovely if he was there, Like Dad's left, like that

571
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 3>trope of Dad's left and the kid never gets see

572
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 3>him and idolizes him or whatever. Yeah, a bit like

573
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 3>last week with it the dad moving to Singapore kind

574
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:20.400
<v Speaker 3>of thing which flips later exactly know what's really going on,

575
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.720
<v Speaker 3>but get the great line of cats don't wear shoes.

576
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 3>There isn't a lot of comedy in this in this episode,

577
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:28.920
<v Speaker 3>but when it happens.

578
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 2>And Reese is really good at this character. I like

579
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 2>how when he talks to his mum he regresses to

580
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>be very childlike. Yeah. She slightly reminded me a bit

581
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 2>of the girl in Hurry Up and Wait. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

582
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>There's something about the way he was speaking. I can't

583
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>remember there's one line he has and he just says

584
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>it in this way that's like, so.

585
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:59.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting all the all the impressions and yeah, but

586
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:01.880
<v Speaker 3>yeah I can see that. Yeah.

587
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>No, he's good and he's so sweet. Really, you know,

588
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:06.640
<v Speaker 2>he just wants to be happy.

589
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. A lot a lot of shit over his life,

590
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.720
<v Speaker 3>bless him, and lot of it's his fault. And then

591
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:19.359
<v Speaker 3>he cuts her off mid I love you, and then

592
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:20.119
<v Speaker 3>it's creepy time.

593
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh we've got the hospital bit first. Oh sorry, yeah,

594
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>but that's where I think that's where the shift happens

595
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 2>and it becomes less This could never be a public

596
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>information film. It's just very directly his life, yeah, being

597
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>shown in that style.

598
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think when wise Owl appears at this point,

599
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.000
<v Speaker 3>it's bigger than the other, Like he feels like it's

600
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.200
<v Speaker 3>an adult okay, and like that is just a stand

601
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 3>in for his dad at this point, literally standing next

602
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 3>to him saying these things.

603
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point, whereas before it very.

604
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 3>Much feels like it's sort of owls, like a bit

605
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 3>bigger than now, but sort of more like that side.

606
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and he tells him he mustn't say anything.

607
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm horrible, says.

608
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Good, don't know what's happening, but yeah, something bad exactly. Yeah.

609
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.960
<v Speaker 2>This is just such an incredible show that the way

610
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>they managed to mix together all this stuff that's you know, creepy,

611
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:20.519
<v Speaker 2>heartrending and funny. It's such a.

612
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Fine line to walk and not for either of them

613
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.200
<v Speaker 3>to feel like they're cheapening the other exactly.

614
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, the creepy bit, very creepy. So this

615
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>is the second time in series seven that we have

616
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:43.359
<v Speaker 2>penis on the BBC seven is the series of the penises. Yeah, yeah,

617
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>it's terrible. I mean right, that owl head would be

618
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>scary enough even if he had clothes on. For me,

619
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 2>do you know what it reminds me of? And it's

620
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>this might be a very specific memory to me, but

621
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.119
<v Speaker 2>I always found in Scooby.

622
00:30:57.799 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Doo back in the day, Okay, this will be fun,

623
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:01.160
<v Speaker 3>there were.

624
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>These big owl men that were like there were men

625
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>dressed in our costumes. Obviously you find out the end,

626
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 2>but I always found them terrifying, Like they've got these

627
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>massive eyes, like blank eyes, and they and they you know,

628
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>flap their arms like wings and they run after you.

629
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 2>And I always found them terrifying as a kid. And

630
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 2>this just reminded me of that.

631
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.839
<v Speaker 3>I remember that. Okay, yeah I don't. It wasn't quite

632
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:24.240
<v Speaker 3>as creepy as I remember it being. I think i'd

633
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.359
<v Speaker 3>built it up in my mind as being really really creepy.

634
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.680
<v Speaker 3>When its head turns round, that was creepy because of

635
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 3>the stutteriness of it. Yeah, I kind of almost wish

636
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 3>that they'd made that they'd cut out a few frames

637
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.119
<v Speaker 3>when he walks to make him look a bit more

638
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 3>stop motion.

639
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Y mm hmm.

640
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.240
<v Speaker 3>But I like, I really like how it just sort

641
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 3>of appears around the door frame.

642
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's awful. Yeah, I actually quite like how it

643
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 2>starts off quite realistic, that he's just there and you

644
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.519
<v Speaker 2>think what's going on because you don't know it's a dream,

645
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>And then and then it gradually becomes even more horrific

646
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and more like turning round.

647
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, I was going to ask you, you say

648
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 3>you don't realize it's a dream. Do you reckon it's

649
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 3>a dream? Or is it him imagining it but awake?

650
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 3>Was not much.

651
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 2>It comes to the same. Yeah, I don't.

652
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, because he's imagining things like the feather

653
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>in the bath and them.

654
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

655
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 3>I didn't take it that he was asleep. Okay, I

656
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 3>guess you're meant I probably did at the time.

657
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess I just think one of those like

658
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>between sleeping and waking sort of weird things. Yeah, yeah,

659
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 2>hallucination possibly who.

660
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 3>It is it was?

661
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was wondering about BBC.

662
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:39.200
<v Speaker 3>I assume it's not.

663
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.359
<v Speaker 2>No, it wouldn't. Ben Cook, Well, I'm sure there are

664
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>many people that that's their career. Why not be naked bodies?

665
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.519
<v Speaker 3>This isn't being shown flapping about on BBC. Yah.

666
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.079
<v Speaker 2>I like that's double meaning of flapping about with him

667
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 2>being an hour.

668
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you got that.

669
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:08.119
<v Speaker 2>It was intentional to get it. What a hoot? Do

670
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>you know that joke about I know someone who sounds

671
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 2>like an owl and then that's supposed to get who.

672
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.359
<v Speaker 3>My mind froze for a second of what do I reply?

673
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 3>That isn't he?

674
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So taxidermy, Yeah, this is a weird This is

675
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>a weird bit the cat dying in the cartoon that

676
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>my sister's cat died.

677
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Its death throats does a perfect one eight freeze his

678
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 3>legs in the air.

679
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 2>That is so good, and then his eyes just turns

680
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 2>across his.

681
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is the point when you start to really

682
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 3>like it shifts from public information to this definitely isn't

683
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.679
<v Speaker 3>like I know the hospital one. It's starting to go,

684
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 3>what's happening here? This is very definitely something creepy is happening.

685
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, in a way, the hospital one was purely

686
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.639
<v Speaker 2>just the narrative of his but this one is almost

687
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>like it's the narrative but it's also they're presenting it

688
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 2>in like a pastiche or because the way he sort

689
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.400
<v Speaker 2>of demonstrates how to do it is like an informational film.

690
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 2>So it's funny that the.

691
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Way it's like talking to kids is oh, just need

692
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 3>a scalpel and some calvinized wire and tanning chemicals.

693
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Always read the label with a little smile, and even

694
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>just at the start where it's like, haven't your children

695
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 2>heard of taxi? Taxi? What dermy?

696
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Honestly I want them to make a load of these

697
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 3>of like are you not aware of necromancy?

698
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Children?

699
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.159
<v Speaker 3>Like all you need is a pentagram and candles.

700
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a very surreal bit. Yeah, and just the graphicness

701
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>of of taking the skin off the carcass and checking

702
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>it in the fire.

703
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the inners of this cat are grim.

704
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's horrible.

705
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't really get why the owl says you need

706
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 3>to remove the eyes, and then they never bother with

707
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.679
<v Speaker 3>using the eyes again. Oh that's true, because you don't

708
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:33.559
<v Speaker 3>really get the point of that.

709
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:36.079
<v Speaker 2>But was that the first thing to remove the eyes?

710
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 3>No, to take take the skin off and then remove

711
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 3>then remove the eyes.

712
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 2>I can help, and but then when we don't need

713
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 2>those sockets, so.

714
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 3>No, and then it's throw away the rest of the cat. Yeah,

715
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 3>and later get eyes in your sandwiches and replace the

716
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 3>eyes of the glass ones. I don't really get that.

717
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:55.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't care, but I don't know.

718
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Why you can have an eye and a sandwich. This

719
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>is a good to play a game. And I love

720
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 2>how unbothered she is by the eye, just like, oh.

721
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 3>So stupid.

722
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Yea. The word I wrote down was perverse.

723
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.519
<v Speaker 3>And it's the way this cat goes from looking awful

724
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 3>that they tweak it a bit to a tweak it

725
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.519
<v Speaker 3>a bit too. It's just the same cat they started exactly.

726
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Also, the foam shape they cut out that is like

727
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:28.119
<v Speaker 2>a two D flat shape that then apparently suddenly looks

728
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:29.119
<v Speaker 2>like a three D cat.

729
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 3>And you didn't tell us we needed foam at the

730
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 3>start either. I got all the bits together and heard

731
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 3>her only phone.

732
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Damn it.

733
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Just they're hacking up sofa cushions.

734
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>And so was So do we think that that really

735
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.760
<v Speaker 2>happened in a sense that like maybe he drunkenly gave

736
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 2>them a crash course in how to maybe do that,

737
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe or as Ronnie just observed his dad doing it.

738
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 2>M maybe I don't know. I don't know actually, or

739
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe it just yeah, maybe he just observed it and

740
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>this is just his his mind is just thinking, Oh,

741
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I've seen him do it enough time. Yeah, I don't

742
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 2>know what possesses him to have a go where there's

743
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:12.199
<v Speaker 2>no need for him to do that?

744
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Is it an adult told me to do this, and

745
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 3>he follows what adults tell him to do.

746
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's very true, although he's a stranger. Yeah, so yeah,

747
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>we get to see his attempt.

748
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh, poor Ferrari, what have you become? Ferrari? Oh my god?

749
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Again set dressing team props. You've nailed it.

750
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Is there a syringe sticking out of it for no

751
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>real reason? Yeah? How didn't really get that?

752
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I guess that was the chemicals he's pumping in. Maybe

753
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't maybe me know what the chemicals are, and

754
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 3>he's just tried to put anything in that he thinks

755
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.440
<v Speaker 3>and that awful like golf ball sized eye, the teeth

756
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 3>at funny angles, blood.

757
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 2>All over it. So, I mean, yeah, it was never

758
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be great?

759
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 3>Was it? Cover it and draw it be fine? Ylophone

760
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 3>won't know.

761
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 2>But the way that they set that up of the

762
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've we've now seen what he's done, and

763
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.880
<v Speaker 2>then Steve turns up again, demanding it back. You better

764
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.559
<v Speaker 2>not have touched it. I want it back exactly as

765
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.199
<v Speaker 2>it was. Yeah, that's almost like a chuckle vision episode

766
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 2>of Life.

767
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Too Late.

768
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Brothers try a taxidermy, but.

769
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 3>When he sells the I love it back or whatever?

770
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Who ferrari. I'm just seeing them out there, like debating

771
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 3>what we're going to call this rabbit, Like, what's the

772
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 3>best name that we can give this rabbit? Yeah, what's

773
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:44.920
<v Speaker 3>going to get a great laugh here? Yeah, we're so

774
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 3>limited on jokes.

775
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

776
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, poor old mister Blenkin has to go off back

777
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 3>to his own story and we won't ever find out

778
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 3>what happened. It'd be interesting, if I guess. It's a

779
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 3>bit like what they did in Cucumber of having all

780
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 3>the separate stories put into linking together. Yeah, you could

781
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:03.480
<v Speaker 3>have a separate story entirely about that family. Yeah, you

782
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.400
<v Speaker 3>could like an anthology where it's not self contained but is.

783
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know what you mean. I don't know if

784
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a term for that, but that'd be a good concept.

785
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 3>It's just ven diagrams, yeah, exactly.

786
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:15.800
<v Speaker 2>So like a bit like love actually, like the way

787
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.800
<v Speaker 2>that they all sort of are connected but vaguely. Yeah.

788
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.119
<v Speaker 2>So it was really crap example to use, but it's

789
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>just what pops work. So yeah, and he importantly notes

790
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 2>that he's been told that the taxidermist mister Oliver is

791
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 2>an old man in his seventies. By the way, did

792
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 2>you notice that Wilfred Oliver wa is the same initials

793
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.719
<v Speaker 2>as why is Al? Yeah? I only noticed that because

794
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I was writing WO to stand.

795
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:47.840
<v Speaker 3>For I didn't know what his surname was. That's where

796
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 3>it occurred.

797
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, more dark stuff now, lighting a match, mm hmm.

798
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 2>He has a vision of the house burning.

799
00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:58.199
<v Speaker 3>What is watching on?

800
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we see her funeral.

801
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 3>Mmm. I like that.

802
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.360
<v Speaker 2>You know that thing where they do one shot cut

803
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.119
<v Speaker 2>into another shot where it's like quite similar. Yeah, and

804
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:10.639
<v Speaker 2>the ball in the bag going into the path and

805
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:11.880
<v Speaker 2>then the coffin going into the ground.

806
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's quite cool. That's what I wanted, Like, if

807
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 3>I to work in film, I just want to spend

808
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 3>the whole time coming up with cool transitions. Yeah.

809
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.440
<v Speaker 2>We had it last week with the skateboard wheel and

810
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:24.360
<v Speaker 2>the coffee.

811
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:25.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that kind of stuff.

812
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

813
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 3>My favorite is is when it's like a character walks

814
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.320
<v Speaker 3>from one set into another set and it looks like

815
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.519
<v Speaker 3>we've cut into another, but it's actually they built the.

816
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Sets next Yeah.

817
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's so good. They do that a lot

818
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 3>in the second and third Sore films. There's a lot

819
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.840
<v Speaker 3>of those, like back to Back. Were just like cut

820
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.440
<v Speaker 3>through some police table or whatever and you straightened the

821
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 3>crime scene from a bedroom or whatever. Yeah, it's just

822
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 3>because they built the sets next to each other.

823
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good. They do a lot of that in

824
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Sherlock in the first couple of series, they did so

825
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.719
<v Speaker 2>much like physical stuff, practical stuff to make it, to

826
00:40:57.760 --> 00:40:58.639
<v Speaker 2>make the cool effects.

827
00:40:58.800 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

828
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really cool when they put the effort in

829
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:01.199
<v Speaker 2>like that.

830
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would be so much fun, like working out

831
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 3>how to do all these things back before CGI was

832
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 3>just an option, and how to make everything work. I've

833
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 3>spent ages.

834
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I was working with someone once and they said they

835
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 2>were mocking like director of photography and saying, what kind

836
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 2>of rubbish role is that? You just all you do

837
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 2>is point a camera and film. I'm like, well, actually,

838
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot more.

839
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 3>To it than that. When a job's done, well you

840
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 3>don't even know that they've exactly exactly, but you'd notice

841
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.079
<v Speaker 3>if it wasn't there exactly cheaper and cheaper.

842
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 2>So Wolf turns up he's Ronny's father. Yeah, this is

843
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 2>his house, which it took me till like the second

844
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 2>or the watch to realize. So, so it turns out

845
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Ronnie has broken in to his dad's house. He's been

846
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 2>camping out there.

847
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.400
<v Speaker 3>For some reason that's never really on into.

848
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 2>No, well, I guess he. I think he's been doing

849
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of processing and I think going back to

850
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the scene of where it will happened, He's is important

851
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 2>to him. Yeah, I don't know what he's intending to

852
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.360
<v Speaker 2>do when he confront if you know, if was he

853
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.079
<v Speaker 2>intending to confront his dad or did he just want

854
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.559
<v Speaker 2>to go there and have a look around, do you know? Yeah,

855
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 2>but yes, he finds it. It turns out that he

856
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>is an actor, did the voice of wise Oul and

857
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:32.280
<v Speaker 2>also latterly a taxidermist. Yes, because that's a logical career progression.

858
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's what you do. It happens so frequently.

859
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 2>When the acts related.

860
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 3>It's transferable skills. Did you notice. I don't know if

861
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 3>it's intentional that when the dad finds running upstairs that

862
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 3>he's perched on the bath like a bird. I don't

863
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 3>know if that's what that really means, but it struck

864
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 3>me that it must be intentional.

865
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I haven't actually clocked that, but you're Yeah.

866
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.119
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise you just be sat on it. You wouldn't be

867
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:03.199
<v Speaker 3>perched with your feet up on there.

868
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I just felt that he was sort of hunched and

869
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>like feeling vulnerable in the corner. But yeah, that works

870
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>as well, a.

871
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 3>Bit of a chat and a catchup on what's going on.

872
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 3>That's drinking. He doesn't approve. It's been to Pickering for

873
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 3>toy fair. Pickering is about twenty miles that way, Okay,

874
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.559
<v Speaker 3>points out of window, and there is a toy museum.

875
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:34.440
<v Speaker 3>I think I've been. I can't remember, Okay, And he mentions,

876
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:36.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you're aware of this. The one

877
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.320
<v Speaker 3>of the Bungles was there, not the creepy one? Yeah?

878
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Have you seen the creepy one? So you aware of

879
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Bungle b from Rainbow? Yeah, there was an original Bungle, right,

880
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 3>The one that you know of was post pilot Bungle. Oh,

881
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.519
<v Speaker 3>the pilot Oh my god, had this.

882
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Guy whoa Now that's the stuff for nightmares, right, and

883
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.039
<v Speaker 2>the owl people from Scooby Doo that Yeah, yeah, to

884
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:00.559
<v Speaker 2>keep me awake.

885
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was much more godly fied.

886
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, subsequently pink for one thing.

887
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 3>That's Georgeorge.

888
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Bungles still brown.

889
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.880
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, but he's not the stuff of light anymore.

890
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.400
<v Speaker 3>We'll reserve that for the weird Zip creature and whatever.

891
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.519
<v Speaker 2>They Yeah, what is he?

892
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.280
<v Speaker 3>I understand that Bungles meant to be a bet and

893
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.079
<v Speaker 3>George is meant to be a hippo or something. Yes,

894
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.000
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck is Zippy meant to be?

895
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

896
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 3>I felt they had left. I don't know. He is

897
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 3>nothing in nature.

898
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you probably know this, but the person who voiced Zippy,

899
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Roy Skelton, did a lot of darlic voices back in

900
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:43.519
<v Speaker 2>the day on Yeah, I didn't know a lot of

901
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 2>the actually in the seventies, do sound like Zippy?

902
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:56.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now you mention just slightly gayer. Yeah, it's a

903
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:57.800
<v Speaker 3>smage of Kenneth Williams.

904
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:04.360
<v Speaker 2>And they're planning. Well, they were trying to bring words

905
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.119
<v Speaker 2>our back. Computure animation would have been crap. Yes, I

906
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:09.079
<v Speaker 2>actually agree with him on that.

907
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:10.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, none of them are good?

908
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Are they.

909
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Give me? Live action? Thomas? The tank?

910
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Literally? Yes, CGI has its place, it does, but the

911
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 2>ch you get in more sort of hand done things

912
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 2>is just yeah, and.

913
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 3>I know it's a tangent, but I don't understand what

914
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 3>the need is for making lots of kids TV stuff

915
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.679
<v Speaker 3>because you don't really watch it again as an adult,

916
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.760
<v Speaker 3>so so just reach you just repeat it over and

917
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 3>over again. These kids know nothing. They're literally brand new.

918
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:44.239
<v Speaker 2>They don't know.

919
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:48.519
<v Speaker 3>None of these kids aging this was forty years old,

920
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 3>one better entertainment. They will accept it just the same

921
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 3>as anyone else did when they first had it. It's

922
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 3>a it's an industry that doesn't need to exist. Well,

923
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.079
<v Speaker 3>it's like Christmas and ones. We've got like ten of

924
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:04.159
<v Speaker 3>them just recycling around around every year.

925
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. The thing is they churn out nine

926
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 2>it is obviously shit, but like some of it. The

927
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 2>new stuff that comes out I'm sure is gold and

928
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>like it will take off. And so it seems a

929
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 2>shame not to, you know, to deprive children of I.

930
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Hear blue is amazing.

931
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh it is. I've seen it when I when I

932
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 2>was working at school. Yeah, he reminded me of burn

933
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:31.760
<v Speaker 2>a Black from Black Books. I'm sure he has a

934
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:44.679
<v Speaker 2>line about children always look surprised everything is new to them. Yeah, anyway,

935
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.119
<v Speaker 2>that's more serious matters. Yeah, yeah, because Monday would have

936
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:54.480
<v Speaker 2>been the sister's fiftieth birthday as well as back therefore

937
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 2>being the anniversary of her death.

938
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

939
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:00.679
<v Speaker 2>And it's the fact that it's such a long time,

940
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's fifty years it's been, like that is a

941
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 2>long time for all this to be buried. Yeah, which

942
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 2>again really reminds me of Czardines. It's that generational thing

943
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 2>of like it's been I mean it's even longer in

944
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.199
<v Speaker 2>this one. But yeah, crazy.

945
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:18.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because yeah, when when a thing becomes more than

946
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:22.280
<v Speaker 3>half of your life ago, yet it's still so important,

947
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 3>you can't ever really move on.

948
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the mat the you know, the dad obviously

949
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>he's got away with it this long. He thinks he's safe,

950
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and so at this point, the way that it's being

951
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.719
<v Speaker 2>painted is that it was Ronnie's fault.

952
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Ronnie did something presumably started this fire that we've

953
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 3>worked out as happened, and the sister died during this. However,

954
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:52.440
<v Speaker 3>indeed not so much. And it's the fact that Dad

955
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.239
<v Speaker 3>is still blaming the son. He's still saying like, oh,

956
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 3>it isn't your fault, like but implying that it was

957
00:47:58.320 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Speaker 3>you did it, Yeah, even if it wasn't your.

958
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Fault, because it protects him. Yeah, he's selfish and he's

959
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 2>just using He literally is just using his son.

960
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so literally the lines start to blurn out.

961
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 2>This is a cool bit, yeah, where it gets superimposed

962
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.119
<v Speaker 2>into the Yeah film.

963
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Half animation, half live action, well not half live action,

964
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:25.039
<v Speaker 3>but a percentage live action with Reese and all the

965
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 3>other characters.

966
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:27.159
<v Speaker 2>He's so good in that bit.

967
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 3>They said this was the bit of the film first,

968
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 3>so they could get all the perspectives right and like

969
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:36.119
<v Speaker 3>proportions and things, okay, and the film at the same

970
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.800
<v Speaker 3>time as mister King and you just have to go

971
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 3>and do that one day in this little green screen

972
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 3>with like cardboard boxes to look like match boxes and

973
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.679
<v Speaker 3>things all painted green. Yeah, And they said that it

974
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.679
<v Speaker 3>was the height of COVID, so they'd be like the

975
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.400
<v Speaker 3>animated guy was watching on the monitors to like check

976
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 3>the proportions and things and have to ask if you'd

977
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.440
<v Speaker 3>come over to like resize the match boxes, and then

978
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.519
<v Speaker 3>they have to reset and come back in and like wow,

979
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:02.360
<v Speaker 3>picking back and forth. Yeah, and yeah, I don't think

980
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.039
<v Speaker 3>I think didn't enjoy it because it was weird and techy,

981
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.039
<v Speaker 3>but I was happy obviously how it turned out.

982
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I always love those fusion of live action

983
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 2>animation when it's done well like that, like you bed

984
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:22.239
<v Speaker 2>nobs and broomsticks and Mary Poppins obviously much more impressive

985
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>back in those days.

986
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't feel here like it's just a person

987
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.320
<v Speaker 3>on a green screen like he feels yeah, the stuff

988
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 3>in front of him and stuff behind him, he's interacting

989
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 3>and picking stuff up, and.

990
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 2>The quality on him m fuzziness. Yeah, And yeah, as

991
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 2>I say, it's performance there, like he really reverts back

992
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to being a child, and you feel for him that

993
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 2>because he actually is being responsible, he's trying to be,

994
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:48.239
<v Speaker 2>but he's not.

995
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's been told not to do all these things.

996
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 2>And so this is the point where if it wasn't

997
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>already obvious, you are shown that wise Aul is literally

998
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 2>that literally the dad.

999
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1000
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's very quite upsetting, isn't it, just seeing this

1001
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 2>beloved cartoon character slumped in a chair drunk.

1002
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really sad actually, Yeah.

1003
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.119
<v Speaker 2>And this figure that is supposed to be the figure

1004
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 2>that you trust and that keeps you safe and he's

1005
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:20.599
<v Speaker 2>just in the corner, like doesn't give a shit.

1006
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.639
<v Speaker 3>And again and not another thing. I'm not realized until

1007
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 3>this point that that is their living room in these

1008
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 3>shots like that the shape of that fireplace is the

1009
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.480
<v Speaker 3>same fireplace that's there. Yeah, yeah, so very dark turn

1010
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:34.960
<v Speaker 3>at this point.

1011
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, before we move on to that, though, there's

1012
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.639
<v Speaker 2>the again where they tread that line of dark and

1013
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.360
<v Speaker 2>comedy where he says gross and balls are on even

1014
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:48.159
<v Speaker 2>fox sake, and she's just like, ah, he said balls.

1015
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:51.679
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think that was the worst word in the

1016
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:52.320
<v Speaker 2>in the line.

1017
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like I was trying to justify in that

1018
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 3>head of like, well, maybe she's just too young that

1019
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 3>she doesn't know what she doesn't know what fuck is,

1020
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.159
<v Speaker 3>but she knows that balls are rude exactly.

1021
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.599
<v Speaker 2>I suppose you could say she's heard, she hears for

1022
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.320
<v Speaker 2>fuck's sake and stuff like that so much she's become

1023
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:18.519
<v Speaker 2>desensitized too. It doesn't mean anything, whereas balls is a

1024
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 2>bit more specific maybe yeah, yeah, which again, you know,

1025
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>he's a terrible parent. It's normalized in their household in

1026
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 2>front of the children who just say fuck sake all

1027
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:33.320
<v Speaker 2>the time. Yeah, and yeah, quite hard to talk about

1028
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.599
<v Speaker 2>the next bit. So the owl slash Dad basically makes

1029
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Runny go upstairs with him.

1030
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we get the cut back to like live

1031
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.159
<v Speaker 3>action of what's actually happening with the birthday party of

1032
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.199
<v Speaker 3>this poor girl there with her matches and birthday cake,

1033
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 3>because they're going upstairs showing for anyone that's not realized

1034
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 3>what's going on that this did happen.

1035
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, it's so horrible.

1036
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:55.719
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

1037
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, any one bit of it would be it

1038
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.199
<v Speaker 2>would be awful on its own, but all combined together,

1039
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 2>you just don't know what to say.

1040
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know what obviously happened to Ronnie, but

1041
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 3>the fact that the cost of that the daughter died, yeah,

1042
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:10.199
<v Speaker 3>being a bandon.

1043
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 2>And that therefore to protect himself from being found out

1044
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>about that, he's lete take the blame. Yeah, well just

1045
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.199
<v Speaker 2>what an awful man, what a monster.

1046
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you can't in that situation like protect the

1047
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:27.679
<v Speaker 3>kid that's.

1048
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Left, well he's obviously you know he he should never

1049
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.840
<v Speaker 2>been a parent. No, it's like, oh, because he says, oh,

1050
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I loved you and all that, but yeah,

1051
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 2>if you love someone, you don't do that. Yeah. It's

1052
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:42.840
<v Speaker 2>so sad.

1053
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 3>It's the way he's capitalized on how much this kid

1054
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:49.119
<v Speaker 3>like listens to the wise aptl and oh yeah.

1055
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.679
<v Speaker 2>And it's he's used using it as this like control

1056
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.239
<v Speaker 2>because they mentioned that, don't they they say, he says,

1057
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.199
<v Speaker 2>Ronnie says to him, I always did everything wise Ouse said.

1058
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.559
<v Speaker 2>And there's this sort of implication that it's about what

1059
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 2>they did together. Yeah, and Wilf's like.

1060
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that was just a game, you know you enjoyed it?

1061
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, growth Yeah, this episode will definitely need a warning

1062
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:19.800
<v Speaker 2>at the start, yes, so oh yeah, And it's that

1063
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 2>whole thing of when he's he's actually confronting him with

1064
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 2>the knife and why did you let me take the blame?

1065
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:26.639
<v Speaker 2>And all he says is, oh, let's not dredge up

1066
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.280
<v Speaker 2>the past, you know, like because to him he doesn't A.

1067
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.360
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't want it to come up because he doesn't

1068
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:35.280
<v Speaker 2>want to face consequences, but B it's not that significant

1069
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:35.559
<v Speaker 2>to him.

1070
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.239
<v Speaker 3>No, and it was years ago like in his head.

1071
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:40.119
<v Speaker 3>Who cares like it.

1072
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Done ruined this boy's whole life?

1073
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, and how he just can't see that.

1074
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's awful.

1075
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:53.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but Runner's aside is enough enough. I take issue

1076
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 3>with his choice of weapon. Of all the knives, a

1077
00:53:56.360 --> 00:54:00.039
<v Speaker 3>breadknife probably the one you wouldn't.

1078
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Do probably, but maybe does that just speak to the

1079
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.679
<v Speaker 2>fact that he was never really deep down he was

1080
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.960
<v Speaker 2>never going to do that. Yeah, maybe, because this is

1081
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.719
<v Speaker 2>what I really like actually about this, Like we were

1082
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:16.280
<v Speaker 2>saying comparing it to Sardines that this then, you know,

1083
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Sardines is one episode, and it's something that the series

1084
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.199
<v Speaker 2>does a lot where we've said before, where you know,

1085
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.440
<v Speaker 2>people who have suffered abuse or trauma, or they have

1086
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.400
<v Speaker 2>mental health issues then do something awful like murder, And

1087
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.480
<v Speaker 2>in this case, this could so easily have been another

1088
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 2>one of those, but they swerve that and they take

1089
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:38.039
<v Speaker 2>it in a completely different direction, and this is the

1090
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the best possible way it could go from where it is.

1091
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's reclaiming his life.

1092
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I like that he was tempted, Yeah, but

1093
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 2>then he decides, actually, you don't have any power over me.

1094
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to drag you be dragged down to

1095
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:54.599
<v Speaker 3>your life.

1096
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not going to become Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah,

1097
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:03.199
<v Speaker 2>it's such a strong ending, such a powerful ending, uplifting

1098
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.559
<v Speaker 2>ending in a way it is it is, and the

1099
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:08.639
<v Speaker 2>music like it swells and you know, we haven't got

1100
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 2>to that bit yet when he's chasing him after out.

1101
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's amazing, really powerful. But yeah, at

1102
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>this point he stabs the pillow instead conveniently, so we

1103
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:21.679
<v Speaker 2>get we get him covered in feathers.

1104
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it becomes the wise out.

1105
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but that is really cool. Oh yeah, he

1106
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 2>looks he looks brilliant with the you know, the feathers,

1107
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:29.840
<v Speaker 2>the feathers on.

1108
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Him any angles.

1109
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and he's like he decides, I'm going to

1110
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.679
<v Speaker 2>go and I'm going to tell Mum that's at least

1111
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.119
<v Speaker 2>the starting point, that's what he's going to do, and

1112
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.440
<v Speaker 2>then she'll help him, presumably with what to do next.

1113
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:48.719
<v Speaker 2>But Wolfe's just panicking obviously, and like, you know, you

1114
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 2>can't clutching its straws. And it's that bit when he

1115
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 2>tries he puts the voice on. Yes, like he's trying

1116
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:58.079
<v Speaker 2>to play his trump card, but this time it doesn't work.

1117
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.960
<v Speaker 3>It's finally lost its power. He sees through it.

1118
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.159
<v Speaker 2>But that's such a creepy bit when the effect comes

1119
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 2>on the voice and he does his face is so

1120
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:08.480
<v Speaker 2>sort of creepy and the feathers.

1121
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:14.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because obviously objectively he put the voice on, but

1122
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 3>it wouldn't sound the same. So this is still presumably

1123
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Ronnie hearing it as that Like, it's still got some

1124
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.639
<v Speaker 3>power over him because he's hearing it as that voice.

1125
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a good point. The power that it has

1126
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.000
<v Speaker 2>over him is still affecting him, but he's able to

1127
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.280
<v Speaker 2>overcome it. Yeah, it's not that it doesn't have power,

1128
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:33.599
<v Speaker 2>but he's able to be stronger.

1129
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So good. There's so much to it, but yeah,

1130
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:41.360
<v Speaker 3>and so he leaves and we transition back to animation.

1131
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then this time he looks like the grown up.

1132
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Well that he actually grows like as a person, like

1133
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:52.199
<v Speaker 3>physically and like metaphorically. Yeah, and becomes from a child

1134
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:52.719
<v Speaker 3>to an adult.

1135
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I like that, and really looks like Reese's the nose

1136
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and everything.

1137
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they said they went back and forth

1138
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:02.599
<v Speaker 3>on this is whether it should be live action or

1139
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 3>not at that point.

1140
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh really yeah, interesting.

1141
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.079
<v Speaker 3>And they decided that it worked. I think someone in

1142
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 3>the production just said, I think it should be animation.

1143
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I can't imagine it the action. No, because the

1144
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.000
<v Speaker 2>fact that he becomes the owl again and and this

1145
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 2>this is what I love as well, that he's now

1146
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.559
<v Speaker 2>the owl no longer has the you know, the reassuring

1147
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 2>like you know RP sort of accent. But he's he's

1148
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:29.039
<v Speaker 2>just as you know, all over the place you in

1149
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 2>the background, like he's lost his control and flapping about

1150
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>from side to side. It's really fair.

1151
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:36.440
<v Speaker 3>Can see why you might not have done it an

1152
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:39.199
<v Speaker 3>animation of like, well, animation is the bad thing, like

1153
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 3>is representing all the bad memories and stuff. Like, he's

1154
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:44.360
<v Speaker 3>breaking out of the animation and it's becoming real again.

1155
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:45.880
<v Speaker 2>You could say he's breaking out of it, but I

1156
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:46.880
<v Speaker 2>choose to say.

1157
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.199
<v Speaker 3>That, actually, he's taking control of it exactly.

1158
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.360
<v Speaker 2>That's why it works for me, is that it's it's

1159
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.039
<v Speaker 2>because he's not going to get rid of all that stuff, no,

1160
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:56.920
<v Speaker 2>but he has to learn to live with it, Yeah,

1161
00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and take control of it. And so yeah, the fact

1162
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>that he's now leaving and being his own agent in

1163
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:07.679
<v Speaker 2>this within this this world of animation that represents his

1164
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:08.199
<v Speaker 2>life and.

1165
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:11.159
<v Speaker 3>His history, and he's an adult in it like a

1166
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 3>child himself.

1167
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, exactly, really good. Yeah, brilliant final line as well,

1168
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:19.519
<v Speaker 2>telling him to get stuff.

1169
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.119
<v Speaker 3>Good on. You're running perfect perfect.

1170
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was reading. I mean, we often tend to

1171
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:30.000
<v Speaker 2>read the same Reddit threads.

1172
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.159
<v Speaker 3>I haven't been on the redit okay, I didn't get

1173
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 3>around to that.

1174
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I saw some people. I feel like they started

1175
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:38.440
<v Speaker 2>these threads when the episodes were airing, and people were

1176
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:41.440
<v Speaker 2>actually typing theories as it was airing, which I find

1177
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.840
<v Speaker 2>a bit strange, but just watched the thing anyway. But

1178
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 2>people were thinking that it was going to go down

1179
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:48.719
<v Speaker 2>a weird route like that he taxi dermied his sister

1180
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:50.599
<v Speaker 2>and he was her body was going to be stuff

1181
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 2>or something.

1182
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Actually, recent Steve said that they did, like think,

1183
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:56.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know whether they considered it or whether they

1184
00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 3>thought that the obvious thing would be it would end

1185
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 3>with Ronnie taxiderming the dad.

1186
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>But again, that's that lets him become something he does

1187
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.880
<v Speaker 2>to become. This is so this is so refreshing actually

1188
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:10.480
<v Speaker 2>for this show.

1189
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's restrained. It's like it's not going for the

1190
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:14.960
<v Speaker 3>shock thing. Yes, in a way, like.

1191
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh I love it. It's really good, isn't it.

1192
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.440
<v Speaker 3>It's really fantastic. I remembered it being good, but it's

1193
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.360
<v Speaker 3>it's better than I remember exactly. And you know, I

1194
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:27.000
<v Speaker 3>always say this episode I showed to people. It's when

1195
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:29.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't show to people because you know, you never

1196
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:31.599
<v Speaker 3>know what someone's gone through. And like it might trigger something,

1197
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:33.719
<v Speaker 3>but it's so good and I want to be able

1198
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 3>to show.

1199
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is what's tricky about show like this.

1200
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we said earlier about episodes overlap like Van diagrams.

1201
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.239
<v Speaker 3>There is a slight overlap in this one, slight in

1202
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:47.840
<v Speaker 3>mister King.

1203
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there's.

1204
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 3>In Welsh okay, crossing the road or something. Yeah, there

1205
00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:02.679
<v Speaker 3>we go, that's the nu. Yeah, so ratings what you're

1206
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:02.960
<v Speaker 3>going for.

1207
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I've written down an eight mm provisionally, but I'm now

1208
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:10.639
<v Speaker 2>asking myself, is there any reason why I've made it

1209
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:13.280
<v Speaker 2>an eight and not nine? Why why have I pulled

1210
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.760
<v Speaker 2>it down to an eight? And I'm not sure really

1211
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I think actually, through talking about it, I think it

1212
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:19.719
<v Speaker 2>deserves to be a nine.

1213
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Same. Yeah, I was doing exactly the same thing in

1214
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:23.960
<v Speaker 3>my head, like why I have a nine? If we

1215
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:26.800
<v Speaker 3>don't use it, what's to stop it being there? So yeah,

1216
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:28.239
<v Speaker 3>and it's been a while, it's a given one.

1217
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well done. Wise, how.

1218
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:40.719
<v Speaker 3>Big question? I almost like, as we were watching it,

1219
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:42.079
<v Speaker 3>if you would point out, if you ever saw it,

1220
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:43.320
<v Speaker 3>did you spot the hair?

1221
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Well I'm not because it's so dark. I'm not sure,

1222
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:50.639
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like it was probably in amongst the

1223
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:56.119
<v Speaker 2>taxidamian animals, like on the mantelpiece. No, oh, it was.

1224
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:58.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how else to describe it. But you

1225
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:02.079
<v Speaker 3>know that where the door is the creepy owl comes through. Yeah,

1226
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.400
<v Speaker 3>it's on a set of shelves to the right. Okay,

1227
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:09.039
<v Speaker 3>it's visible throughout the episode, but I don't know how

1228
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:13.760
<v Speaker 3>else you describe it. Yeah, okay, it's just shut on

1229
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:14.519
<v Speaker 3>a shelf on its own.

1230
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Fair that's the bonus. One of the stuffed ferrari that.

1231
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.320
<v Speaker 3>Looks a bit like Sure they chose it to be

1232
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:22.840
<v Speaker 3>a rabbit for.

1233
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:29.440
<v Speaker 2>That because no one has a pet hair. But well yeah, realistically, okay,

1234
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:35.599
<v Speaker 2>cool Series seven old done amazing. It was a good one.

1235
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.320
<v Speaker 3>That's on lot my phone for quiz questions and scary

1236
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:38.880
<v Speaker 3>bungle of it.

1237
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh dear, the stuff of nightmares. So serious seven quiz.

1238
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:54.599
<v Speaker 3>Quick time, Merrily, Merrily, what flavor of milkshake did Darren

1239
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:56.639
<v Speaker 3>spill down Donna's back bringing them together?

1240
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Now? I know this because because whenever there's a milkshake

1241
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 2>on offer, this is Ben's choice. That's how I remembered it.

1242
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.480
<v Speaker 2>It was an aureo. It was I'm more of a banana.

1243
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you not like banana. Oh, I love banana.

1244
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:18.400
<v Speaker 3>That is the only flavor I don't like. This is

1245
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:19.360
<v Speaker 3>the only fruit I don't like.

1246
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:21.119
<v Speaker 2>We don't even like real bananas.

1247
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:24.639
<v Speaker 3>No, really, I wish I did because it's so convenient.

1248
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:28.400
<v Speaker 2>But there's a big difference between real banana taste and

1249
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:32.840
<v Speaker 2>fake banana taste. Oh, I know this isn't it because

1250
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:34.760
<v Speaker 2>there's a type of banana that used to be that.

1251
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:36.480
<v Speaker 2>There isn't anything the.

1252
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:40.519
<v Speaker 3>Flavors based on the old one. Yeah, yeah, well done. AnyWho,

1253
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:42.599
<v Speaker 3>because that was my really hard question.

1254
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was, and I actually considered using that

1255
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:47.159
<v Speaker 2>as a question, and then I thought, oh, he might

1256
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:52.920
<v Speaker 2>think of that one, and you did. Well, you'll probably

1257
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:56.159
<v Speaker 2>get this. My question is, while Darren accuses Callum of

1258
01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:59.480
<v Speaker 2>wearing an outfit from Marks and Sparks, which designer labels

1259
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:03.159
<v Speaker 2>he actually wearing Callum was Margaters.

1260
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 3>If I don't know, thinking out loud of different brands,

1261
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:16.599
<v Speaker 3>I want to I'm torn between something like stepping Up

1262
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:19.119
<v Speaker 3>it's gone By. I'm gonna go with Debenham.

1263
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Can I pause before you give your answer and just

1264
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:24.599
<v Speaker 2>say that I did say which designer label? So like

1265
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:32.440
<v Speaker 2>not not like a department store? Okay, a designer. You

1266
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:39.320
<v Speaker 2>go boss, it is, Yes, I helped you there. You

1267
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:43.519
<v Speaker 2>could thank me later, maybe we'll see.

1268
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, so mister King, yes, what vegetables has blondel

1269
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:56.679
<v Speaker 3>when he won prizes for? Oh?

1270
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I know what she says, Oh is it a turnips? Yes,

1271
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:04.480
<v Speaker 2>because I feel like there's a joke there with turned

1272
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<v Speaker 2>nips and him looking at her breasts. Oh okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's just me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was almost I wrote that question. I wrote down leaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Because at the end she says, you'll do my leaks

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<v Speaker 2>a world it's so confident. No, she says, my turn

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<v Speaker 2>if some one praises My question is what does Owen

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<v Speaker 2>say he thinks causes hurricanes?

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<v Speaker 3>God fighting?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes' who's going?

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<v Speaker 3>So? Is that we have?

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<v Speaker 2>We all got them all?

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<v Speaker 3>So? Yeah? Good nine lives cat It's really easy. Which

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<v Speaker 3>actor does Barnabus want to play him in the I

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<v Speaker 3>TV adaptation?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait till he hear my question. So he wants Matt Damon? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>My question is which acted as Ezra suggest to play

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<v Speaker 2>barn and the TV adaptation.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, this is the downside of me writing the questions

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, that they don't let me go back

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<v Speaker 3>and check and see context. Around. He wants someone British.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say, Benedict, come back.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not right. I'm afraid it was Jude Law.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, okay, kidnap. What is Shane's dream job?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a good question. Shane's dream job.

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<v Speaker 3>Shane with Daniel Mays. By the way, I knew that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to think of him talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>dream job. I remember. Well, actually, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>he says it, or maybe Clifford says it about him,

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<v Speaker 2>but either way, I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>He does say that sparks something really annoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it will. I'm going to have to guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Gardener he wants to be a pastry chef.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, that rings a bell. Okay, we're still even then.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I haven't had my question yet, but yes, if

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<v Speaker 3>I get this right, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's likely different type of question. What color is the

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<v Speaker 2>car that Laura and Shane escaping at the end escaping?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's red or blue? I'm pretty certain that it's red.

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<v Speaker 2>It is red. That type of question would be a

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<v Speaker 2>good one if you want to ask me for me

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<v Speaker 2>to not know, because I'm terrible at visual memory.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I did think this before, because you often said

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<v Speaker 3>that you take your questions from the scripts and things

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<v Speaker 3>script won't say the color exactly. Do. I think this

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<v Speaker 3>is far too easy? But he undern act of kindness?

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<v Speaker 3>What year has Bob traveled.

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<v Speaker 2>Back from twenty sixty two?

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<v Speaker 3>That is easy? Well, I hoped you'd remember sixty and

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<v Speaker 3>you'd go, well, sixty three would add up to nine,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'd go with sixty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately not, No, No, to be fair, we did any

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<v Speaker 2>record that a few days ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, anything was going to be easier. Well, hopefully we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the dinner scene, what kind of wine is

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<v Speaker 2>Helen drinking? Red? White or rose? Give your multiple choice.

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<v Speaker 3>Read, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>It is red? So your last two answers were both read.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that might throw you.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't ever think in my head. I was certainly

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<v Speaker 3>was a Merlow And I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>They maybe mention it?

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<v Speaker 3>Do they mention what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure? Actually, okay, but yeah it was red

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<v Speaker 2>one cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So last question for the episode we've literally watched about

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<v Speaker 3>an hour ago. What animal was Dr Pepper Derek's neighbors

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<v Speaker 3>taxidermy commission? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you did my neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>USh for those listening home. I'm crossing fingers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, literally because I laughed at it when

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<v Speaker 2>I said it, and now I've forgot more animal it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was laughing more at the dr pepper.

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<v Speaker 3>That was nearly the question. I've nearly flipped it the

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<v Speaker 3>other way round.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's something small and fairy.

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<v Speaker 3>You're getting that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, hamster. I thought it was hamster. What is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Bobtail?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a bird, is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know. It's a cat. I think Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a term for anything that's had, like

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<v Speaker 3>has a short tail. I think it's generally a cat,

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<v Speaker 3>A bobtail.

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<v Speaker 2>Cat is Oh okay, okay, yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking for bob tail. I might have been leaning on

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<v Speaker 3>cap but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're certainly not.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh this is true. So if I get this, I

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<v Speaker 3>might win a second Oh really, it's a second series.

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<v Speaker 3>It is four to four currently with a question to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've got a question. It's period in fact, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need that because I'm making it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's so annoying, because I have got that if

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<v Speaker 3>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, Yeah, we've gone back and forth on whether we

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<v Speaker 2>do that. In earlier series when it came up, we

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<v Speaker 2>came up with new questions, and then last time I

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<v Speaker 2>just let you do it anyway, and I got annoyed

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, no, if he's changing it, And

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<v Speaker 2>now I feel bad because I know you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to get this as I.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's names, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the name of Ronnie's sister.

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<v Speaker 3>Ronnie's sister, I think I know, Okay. I was hoping

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<v Speaker 3>it was because I remember she's called Mimsy. There was

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of names that I intentionally didn't say because

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, if I don't say them, he

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<v Speaker 3>won't go. Well, I'll ask that as a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the sister's name.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm torn between two. I think it's either Rebecca or Joanne. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really embarrassing if it's neither. But I think it's Rebecca.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that that I've lost her? You've lost? Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel so bad because you were so close? It

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<v Speaker 2>is Joane and Rebecca was the character in Sardine's that

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, that's so interesting that you thought of Rebecca.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>It's still a draw, okay, and draw.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it doesn't affect the overall standings. No, so we're

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<v Speaker 2>on a draw.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think. I think am I two behind?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was pretty close. Yeah from what I remember, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you are too behind?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah behind, it would have been one.

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<v Speaker 2>Mmm. I feel so bad now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine, is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to change it at the last minute. Okay, well,

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01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:31.000
<v Speaker 2>what an anti climax. It was a draw. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Series seven are wrapped up, but a good one it has.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we say that every time, but I do think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think from comments I've been seeing a lot of

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01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:42.359
<v Speaker 2>people felt Series six was a bit of a dip

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01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:47.960
<v Speaker 2>in quality. Yeah, I mean I can understand that we

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01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't give any eights or nines in that series.

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<v Speaker 3>For a series that's gone on as long as it has,

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<v Speaker 3>especially PBC series, like the joke that we have the

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<v Speaker 3>Good Place of years there were twelve episodes or whatever. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>it holds up well. Like, it doesn't significantly drip, It

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01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:10.039
<v Speaker 3>doesn't significantly drop in quality. No, Like we always say,

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<v Speaker 3>there's some that we don't like as much, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not because they're objectively bad. They just maybe you don't

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<v Speaker 3>vibe with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Generally, it's a very high quality.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I do think seven is a really good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so just two more to go.

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<v Speaker 3>M We will tell you next episode where our hair

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<v Speaker 3>was today. Let us know if you found it. Join

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<v Speaker 3>us in a few weeks when we move back serious eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but until then, I think it's time to close

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<v Speaker 2>the door on number nine.

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<v Speaker 3>We can never really leave, do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening to the Ninth Degree. If you'd like

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