Speaker 1: Hello listeners. Ianto and Stephen will be here with the
Speaker 1: podcast in just one minute, But first, just a quick
Speaker 1: content warning for this episode. As we know, there are
Speaker 1: dark elements of all episodes of Inside Number Nine. However,
Speaker 1: this one has some particularly tricky themes of child abuse,
Speaker 1: so please bear that in mind before listening.
Speaker 2: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. I'm Yanto
Speaker 2: and I'm Stephen.
Speaker 3: And this is a podcast all about the weird and
Speaker 3: wonderful world of the dark comedy anthology series Inside Number Nine.
Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 2: Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheersmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 2: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
Speaker 3: So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and
Speaker 3: join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome back.
Speaker 3: How are you doing. I'm okay, warm, warm, E's likelyferent setting.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are in a slightly different setting.
Speaker 3: We're not two hundred miles away.
Speaker 2: No, we are in the podcast flesh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird, it's slightly strange.
Speaker 2: It does feel strange, isn't it. But yes, I'm up
Speaker 2: in York first time. I think it is my first time.
Speaker 3: Yes, Other than how are you finding it?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's lovely, it's very nice.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you showed me around parts of the city yesterday,
Speaker 2: which was nice.
Speaker 3: Wonder around it was very people, but otherwise.
Speaker 2: It was very people. Yeah. Yeah, it's like having a
Speaker 2: personal tour guide. My main takeaway I remember was some
Speaker 2: every kit cat in the country has made it sound
Speaker 2: like that, just exaggerate it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: True though. As far as so, you came up so
Speaker 3: we could watch a play last night.
Speaker 2: Yes, and not just any play. No, there's a tangential
Speaker 2: slightly sort of like connection Jeremy Dyson and Andy Nyman's
Speaker 2: play The Psychic, which was on at.
Speaker 3: York Theater Royal final night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to see the final performance.
Speaker 3: It was really good. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: I'm still not entirely sure what happened. Yeah, I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: We were saying we weren't really sure what to expect,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't that. No, Yeah, it was still really enjoyable.
Speaker 2: Good performances.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would say I recommend going and see it, but
Speaker 3: it's done now. Yeah, I think it's going on tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be good. So if you do it
Speaker 2: comes near you, I would recommend it. So we need
Speaker 2: to reveal last week's hair. First of all, it was
Speaker 2: the referees a anka.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: Indeed, next week we've got a quiz. I just know
Speaker 2: you're going to be asking me some ridiculously anal question
Speaker 2: like or name every appliance that they have in the kitchen,
Speaker 2: and I'll just be sitting there like, oh god, was
Speaker 2: there a toaster? Is there a freezerker? Of absolutely a
Speaker 2: freezer wanker, which was a fun one to try and
Speaker 2: get in.
Speaker 3: It was. I was really impressed how you did it
Speaker 3: that I forgot. I had to do my.
Speaker 2: Part said is there a freezer? And then I was
Speaker 2: just waiting and I think you thought I was waiting
Speaker 2: for a companiment, so that it was just like nas.
Speaker 2: I was like, we still got to your bit. You
Speaker 2: got to call me a wanker. Yeah yeah, so yes.
Speaker 3: Well I don't know if you spotted it. And listen
Speaker 3: out for one this week as we discuss series seven,
Speaker 3: episode six, Wise Owl, everyone remembers the wise Owl. Of course,
Speaker 3: the bossy cartoon bird keeping children safe. Back in the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies, those old information films had a lasting effect
Speaker 3: on all of us, especially Ronnie, who spent his entire
Speaker 3: life trying to do the right thing. But what is
Speaker 3: right and what is wrong? A big one this week.
Speaker 2: Is a big one, like real big mmm.
Speaker 3: Like, considering we're at series seven of something, for it
Speaker 3: to be such a good episode, it's really impressive. Like
Speaker 3: not to say that their others aren't really good around
Speaker 3: this time, yeah, but to have one of their big
Speaker 3: ones be this late into the run is Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a testament to how good they are as rights.
Speaker 2: So my question is in terms of the series getting
Speaker 2: renewed each year, like I'm guessing each year they didn't
Speaker 2: necessarily know they were going to get another series, so
Speaker 2: potentially each final episode of a series could be the
Speaker 2: last one ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this one, I feel like really works from that
Speaker 2: point of view of it being like a really good
Speaker 2: mirror to Sardines in like the themes of child abust
Speaker 2: and stuff. It takes it in a very different direction
Speaker 2: as well. We'll discuss, but yeah, it's I think that
Speaker 2: if it had ended here, not that they would have
Speaker 2: done because they had to do nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got this close.
Speaker 2: But if it had, I think that would have been
Speaker 2: quite a nice book end.
Speaker 3: Would you hadn't looked at it that way? They said that.
Speaker 3: So this was still COVID year, and they were told
Speaker 3: by the BBC to make COVID friendly scripts. Yeah, animation
Speaker 3: is great. It's one Mandarine things. No one needs to
Speaker 3: be there. So that's a fairly how they started it, okay,
Speaker 3: And based on all obviously the child's sort of public
Speaker 3: safety films, which horrifying.
Speaker 2: Now they are horrifying, weird.
Speaker 3: All of them are not all of them are terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I guess that's the point.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to. I went through a bit of
Speaker 2: a phase of just being interested in all those and
Speaker 2: watching when I was about eleven. But this was back
Speaker 2: in the days before YouTube, and so watching videos of
Speaker 2: things was like, you know, we used to click on
Speaker 2: it would bring up like a real player or whatever.
Speaker 2: And so there's these Charlie says ones with the cat,
Speaker 2: which the animation start is obviously directly incredibly based on,
Speaker 2: and oh my god, I'm so amazed by how well
Speaker 2: they recreated it, Like this is something they do really well,
Speaker 2: if you look back at the Devil of Christmas in
Speaker 2: that seventies.
Speaker 3: Style, mimicking it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they are so good. It's not just obviously
Speaker 2: recent Steve. It's the whole production team and the way
Speaker 2: they come together to make everything to make something that
Speaker 2: really could be. Like you could watch this for the
Speaker 2: first time and see those first couple of films and
Speaker 2: think they were real.
Speaker 3: You could, yeah, easily, and like considering how close they
Speaker 3: are to Charlie says, yeah, and you've not maybe watched
Speaker 3: it in years, and you might have forgotten that it
Speaker 3: was a cat not an owl. Yeah, And like I
Speaker 3: think the first time I watched it, I did wonder
Speaker 3: is this Yes, like have they licensed and made new
Speaker 3: ones of a thing to fill the story? Because I
Speaker 3: was certain I'd seen this character before And it's probably
Speaker 3: just that the kid looks so similar just.
Speaker 2: The thing I think stylistically were going. Charlie says, like
Speaker 2: the voice, the look, the animation style.
Speaker 3: And the slightly blobbly the blob.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but interestingly I was doing some research and
Speaker 2: there is also the character of whiz Al is slightly
Speaker 2: based done Yeah the play safe film. Yes, not voicing character,
Speaker 2: but yeah, That's an interesting one because that's obviously that's
Speaker 2: nothing like this, but it's just the character of a
Speaker 2: sort of you know why out to do and the
Speaker 2: power lines and stuff like, so they're kind of amalgamated
Speaker 2: those two into one thing. Really clever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the one about the kids playing in like
Speaker 3: is it playing in swamps or something? Always got me
Speaker 3: with the like the death figure in the Big Cloyes
Speaker 3: what you mean, Yeah, and this kid's about to drown
Speaker 3: and then he doesn't, and the death gets like defeated
Speaker 3: and he just becomes a cloak that's floating in the
Speaker 3: in the river and it's playing is it playing the river?
Speaker 3: I can't remember? And then it ends with him being like,
Speaker 3: but I'll be back. Oh yeah, it's awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. They are traumatizing, but also it's it's
Speaker 2: just interesting from like a sociological point of view that
Speaker 2: like they felt they need to make these that like
Speaker 2: parents should be teaching their children how to be safe.
Speaker 2: But if they're not, then you know, are these are
Speaker 2: these things aimed at children or at parents or both.
Speaker 3: Or I don't know. I wonder if there's an element
Speaker 3: of well, the world's changed so much in this time
Speaker 3: the seventies. Yes, in the last fifty years, these parents
Speaker 3: don't when they were kids, not all these problems.
Speaker 2: Are a problem. Well yeah, but you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean, Like, you know, I like power lines,
Speaker 3: and like the amount of traffic and exactly yeah, and
Speaker 3: various things that maybe weren't such a problem. So they
Speaker 3: don't know that they need to wear warn kids that's true.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. I mean, I know, obviously rivers
Speaker 3: have been around and been a problem, exactly a stranger
Speaker 3: danger and everything's always been a problem, I guess, But
Speaker 3: you know, maybe there's an element that I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's like I think any time
Speaker 2: within the last fifty sixty sent years, like people are
Speaker 2: always saying, oh, you know, people would complain about parents
Speaker 2: today and say they don't know how to look after
Speaker 2: their children. Probably, but I'm sure they were saying that
Speaker 2: in the seventies as well, And so that's probably where
Speaker 2: a lot of this comes from. You know, they need
Speaker 2: to be need to be told. Yeah, but no, they
Speaker 2: are horrifying.
Speaker 3: They're really horrifying. Steve talked through several of them that
Speaker 3: he remembered from being a kid and liked not necessarily
Speaker 3: from public information things, but just terrifying children's things. Are
Speaker 3: you aware of an incredible character called mister Nosybunk.
Speaker 2: I'm not, but I want to know more.
Speaker 3: Would you like a photo? He is absolutely terrifying?
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently did really well based on kids both loved
Speaker 3: and were terrified of him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're listening, google mister Noisy Bunk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, enjoy he is horrifying. Wow, loads of those things.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of the stuff that's made for children
Speaker 2: actually is pretty uncanny and freepy when you look at it.
Speaker 3: It really is. And this is an element of just
Speaker 3: kids don't know that they should be scared of it yet,
Speaker 3: so it doesn't quite affect them in the same way
Speaker 3: as it does maybe adults. But yeah, it's weird. Isn't
Speaker 3: it really weird? So? Are you aware that whise Oul
Speaker 3: wasn't made up for this? That he did exist in
Speaker 3: the legal gentleman era? No, vaguely so. He first appeared
Speaker 3: in a legal gentleman book in two thousand and one. Okay,
Speaker 3: it was just like a little doodle, which is uncannonly
Speaker 3: like the how he works here. Oh so the picture
Speaker 3: there that I recommend you look up. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it's creepy, but it talks about how it's sort
Speaker 3: of the same sort of thing Dad has wise Oul
Speaker 3: by Amanda Barry, and it's a little drawing from a
Speaker 3: nine year old girl. Wise Aul is always right, and
Speaker 3: I have lots of secrets with him, lots of things
Speaker 3: when he comes out at night, right, And it's just
Speaker 3: like I don't really know what context it's in within
Speaker 3: the book. I can just have a picture of it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so it came back. That's the seed that
Speaker 3: they went back to. Yeah, like we can make a
Speaker 3: whole story out of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is such a good episode, And I find
Speaker 2: like I'm glad we rewatched it just before recording, because
Speaker 2: every time I watch it, I just feel like I
Speaker 2: kind of understand it a bit more and like see
Speaker 2: more in it, and like I feel stupid now, but
Speaker 2: like it's only just taken me till this watch to
Speaker 2: realize that the first two because I always thought the
Speaker 2: first two films that you see are just quite a
Speaker 2: bog standard. They just sort of but they relate directly
Speaker 2: to what is about to happen in the real world,
Speaker 2: like treating electricity safely and then getting in the bath
Speaker 2: with the toaster. I haven't made that connection. And then
Speaker 2: the stranger danger in him at the door.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've not connected that one. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering how many of these that we see of
Speaker 3: these public information films actually were the ones that were
Speaker 3: made at the time, Like obviously the ones that as
Speaker 3: it goes on later, they're more sort of.
Speaker 2: Memories that yeah bleeding in yeah.
Speaker 3: Like portrayed as in that style, But how many of
Speaker 3: them were actually real? What do you mean like we're
Speaker 3: broadcast at the time that it's meant in the world.
Speaker 2: Oh oh get yes, now I get exactly what me
Speaker 2: and I was wondering the same thing, because because it
Speaker 2: becomes a bit of a blurred line, doesn't.
Speaker 3: It, it's a transitions.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Yeah it was they were real, But do.
Speaker 3: We see any real ones A stranger danger probably one is.
Speaker 2: I assume the first two basically are real. But also
Speaker 2: why you know, why this man was voicing this character
Speaker 2: and why does his son look exactly like the child
Speaker 2: in this thing that he didn't design?
Speaker 3: He was just a voice of.
Speaker 2: Yea, so maybe you're meant to think maybe, well yeah,
Speaker 2: but maybe you're right, but we don't see any of
Speaker 2: the realm. Maybe we just see public information film style
Speaker 2: versions of his childhood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I think it probably is.
Speaker 2: Actually, that makes a lot more sense, and it's just.
Speaker 3: How Ronnie remembers his childhood through this lens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true. And thought of that, but that's
Speaker 2: really true. I also think the casting of ron Cook
Speaker 2: was amazing because I mean, he looks a bit owlish,
Speaker 2: and then and the nose and then the animation of
Speaker 2: what is really looks like him as well. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: really well done.
Speaker 3: I've got to mention the weird little mouth thing that
Speaker 3: why has this bird got a mouth with teeth and
Speaker 3: a tongue. It's very strange.
Speaker 2: I had noticed that. Is it inside his beak?
Speaker 3: No, it's just under his beak.
Speaker 2: And then a mouth. Okay, yeah, I guess just to
Speaker 2: make him look more like the man.
Speaker 3: It's very strange.
Speaker 2: I also want to just call out the music, like
Speaker 2: the music's always good in Sevenember nine, and he's good
Speaker 2: at doing lots of different genres that's what's required. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the little flute, like the vibraphone and stuff, it sounds
Speaker 2: exactly like something that would have been recorded in a
Speaker 2: studio in the seventies, like really cheaply just to make
Speaker 2: this film.
Speaker 3: Probably cost a fortune nowadays to emulate it exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's so perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish you call that Sam Leary that did
Speaker 3: the animation as well. It had him on the podcast
Speaker 3: talking about it and how he does it digitally now.
Speaker 3: But how much work it was to make it look
Speaker 3: analog I can imagine, like how he'd have to color
Speaker 3: all he'd have to insert separate slide so that armors
Speaker 3: moved jerkily and things where they normally would just flow perfectly,
Speaker 3: and yeah, coloring purposely different frames to look so they
Speaker 3: do that thing of flickering flickering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 3: So we've had the first public information film of Don't
Speaker 3: Play with Pylons.
Speaker 2: I found that it irritated me a bit the way
Speaker 2: that he was like, oh, don't don't climb up there,
Speaker 2: it's dangerous and all that, and they're like, but my kite,
Speaker 2: you know, and then he says, oh, maybe our friend
Speaker 2: the wind can help and he blows it and it's
Speaker 2: sort of it's like, oh, happy ending she got the
Speaker 2: kite back. Anyway, but surely the message should be your
Speaker 2: life's more important than.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you've just got this kite, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I just think it cheapened it a bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, And then we cut to the real world. So, yes,
Speaker 3: we have Reese as Ronnie this week in his sort
Speaker 3: of best rich of the third Meet the Beatles.
Speaker 2: Look, I was thinking, yes, how many weeks on this
Speaker 2: are they going to give Reese? It's like someone bet,
Speaker 2: isn't that to see? You know what's terrible? We can
Speaker 2: be given this week?
Speaker 3: Need to make a little TikTok of the do you
Speaker 3: wear wigs? Have you gone?
Speaker 2: When will yours? What have I not thought of that brilliant.
Speaker 3: But yeah, grim looking house which.
Speaker 2: Looks like window sill in the seventies, it does.
Speaker 3: I don't know what point I work could place what
Speaker 3: you were actually meant to be exactly.
Speaker 2: I think it's when he gets his smartphone out and
Speaker 2: does the FaceTime yeah suddenly into yeah.
Speaker 3: So terrible situation. Yeah, an avocado baths suite. Oh and
Speaker 3: the carpet and carpet off the side of the bath.
Speaker 3: It's horrible. I'm sorry, but this house is awful. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: Well, the taxidermy animals don't help.
Speaker 3: But don't help. But the wallpaper, the carpet in the bathroom,
Speaker 3: carpeted sides of the bath oh yeah, and not just
Speaker 3: like regular carpet, like furry carpet.
Speaker 2: Oh lovely.
Speaker 3: Well ignore the suicide, like I'm more focused.
Speaker 2: On this, Yeah, which is the biggest crime against nature?
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, joke aside, Rodney isn't very happy, no
Speaker 3: bless him.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I didn't twig that the voice saying twit
Speaker 2: you was like, why was I telling him not to
Speaker 2: do that? Because of electricity and all that. I think
Speaker 2: the first time I was just thinking he was just
Speaker 2: hearing the voice and remembering it, but not that it
Speaker 2: was connected to what he was about to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably just hears this voice all the time
Speaker 3: whenever he's doing anything, whenever crosses the street. And also yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just so ingrained in him.
Speaker 2: And it's it's really obvious as soon as you see
Speaker 2: Reese that it's supposed to be the same boy from
Speaker 2: the film, like grown up, like with the hair.
Speaker 3: I think I don't know if I clocked it straight away,
Speaker 3: but that's probably just me. It's probably is meant to
Speaker 3: be obvious.
Speaker 2: I felt like it's obvious. Yeah, but it is confusing
Speaker 2: when the house looks like it's concurrent with when the
Speaker 2: film would have been made and he's aged like fifty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I probably didn't tweak that
Speaker 3: it was him straight away because first, like I said,
Speaker 3: I thought that it might have been like an ip
Speaker 3: that they bought and like made new episodes of. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and again with Charlie says that he looks so similar
Speaker 3: to that kid that I thought it was that kid
Speaker 3: rather than young Reese. So that's why I didn't get
Speaker 3: it straight away.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Even the children's voice acting, and it is really authentic.
Speaker 3: I saw them in their credits, but I didn't look
Speaker 3: them up to know how old they work, whether they
Speaker 3: work at children.
Speaker 2: I imagine the imagine they were children. They sound like
Speaker 2: they do to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also the radio in the bath playing racaman off, which
Speaker 2: was also another link back to the series one. What's
Speaker 2: it called quite a nye in? I think it's the
Speaker 2: same piece of music. It might be a different movement
Speaker 2: from the same.
Speaker 3: Piece, right, but yeah, I could not have told you
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 2: It's famously used in Brief Encounter the old film, so
Speaker 2: that it's almost like I do wonder if maybe they
Speaker 2: thought this might they might not get renewed and this
Speaker 2: might be the last one ever. So it's like the
Speaker 2: time back, lots of references and yeah stuff.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, but I can. I can totally
Speaker 3: see the link if it is. If it is that
Speaker 3: was the case, So we get a good bit.
Speaker 2: Next Steve appears.
Speaker 3: Steve. He's not in it much this week.
Speaker 2: It's when he appears. It's wonderful, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's like a reverse lip service with mister Muller, like
Speaker 3: he's playing it for a Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you know who he absolutely reminded me of in
Speaker 2: this role, Paul Chuckle right, Okay, mustache and the eighties
Speaker 2: mullet and the accent as well. It was really like,
Speaker 2: yeahs Rabbit Ferrari. It was like, where's Barry.
Speaker 3: Ferrari? Rabbit not we die?
Speaker 2: Yeah, although you have the daughter's xylophone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything goes. He has some great lines at this
Speaker 3: he does. We're just laughing into each other while watching it.
Speaker 3: Just now. I'll just tell her it's always tired. You
Speaker 3: don't need it looking like a ballerina doing Patrick Potter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't need legs.
Speaker 2: If that's cheaper, that's the best bits covering straw.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean to imagine it would be cheaper,
Speaker 3: there's a lot less work.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But also what's his what's his plan? Because
Speaker 2: he's like, he's not going to tell the daughter. How
Speaker 2: long is he planning to just leave this taxi dermid
Speaker 2: rabbit in the corner of a hutch?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's only five? Like, at what point do you
Speaker 3: start telling kids about death like this? This rabbit's gonna
Speaker 3: have to sit still for a very long time.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I think. And also he's saying about, oh,
Speaker 2: we've got that coming up with my mother, but surely
Speaker 2: it's better for children to experience it through a pet first,
Speaker 2: you think, so human Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a whole side story that we not
Speaker 3: evolved in.
Speaker 2: But now he's brilliant, Derek blinking.
Speaker 3: Derek blinking. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he takes the rabbit h and we go in
Speaker 2: and we see a lot of creepy stuffed animals around
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 3: There were a lot The set decorators this week must
Speaker 3: have had a whale of a time. They must have
Speaker 3: had to go because not only did they have to
Speaker 3: find a lot of taxi, dermaid animals. They had to
Speaker 3: find off ones like not bad but not good.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I think they always pretty much look
Speaker 2: like that. I don't think I've ever seen a really
Speaker 2: good one.
Speaker 3: Oh you do see good ones in like in museums
Speaker 3: and things.
Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, generally always a bit They're uncanny, aren't they. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the eyes and the mouth.
Speaker 3: That cat, it's the lamb with no ears for some reason.
Speaker 3: Oh that I always I don't like. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you say it's a slip back or what, but
Speaker 3: it's very very odd to look at each of their own.
Speaker 3: But I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Tax No, I don't understand it at all.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, maybe one thing like if you had a
Speaker 3: cat or whatever, but if the people have dozens of things,
Speaker 3: maybe don't get that.
Speaker 2: And me even one is like why would you? Why
Speaker 2: would you do that to something you loved? Like it's
Speaker 2: its body, it's not gonna, it's not the cat, it's
Speaker 2: not the actual thing. It's yeah, anyway, it's a bit deep.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, no, no, it's weird.
Speaker 2: It's very weird. Yeah. Sorry if any listeners have their
Speaker 2: pet stuffed, but I think it's weird. Each their own
Speaker 2: feel for to message it and explain why it means
Speaker 2: something to you.
Speaker 3: We're ready to.
Speaker 2: And he's also seeing a feather in the bath, which
Speaker 2: is very ominous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a creepy one. When I first watched it,
Speaker 3: I remember it wasn't quite as creepy as I remember
Speaker 3: it being. I remember it being quite scary when I
Speaker 3: watched it the first time. But yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of unsettling stuff going on, and you have no idea
Speaker 3: where this is going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you obviously just feel sorry for this man.
Speaker 2: He's obviously going through a lot. Yeah, he's haunted by
Speaker 2: this this owl in some way.
Speaker 3: Plus also it's race, so we've been taught to expect
Speaker 3: he's going to be evil in some way shape. He's
Speaker 3: more often than not the bad guy.
Speaker 2: He's very good at it.
Speaker 3: You've got that subconsciously in your mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we get the film at the beach, stranger doing.
Speaker 3: Yes, which to me feels the most like it might
Speaker 3: be Yes. I thought that it doesn't really link to
Speaker 3: anything that's happened in the episode, Like so the first one,
Speaker 3: you would say the same with the pylon, but it's
Speaker 3: the kite that she's got for her birthday.
Speaker 2: The kite and then the radio and the bath.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I mean in terms of the old literally
Speaker 3: bad story story, whereas this one doesn't the reference to the.
Speaker 2: Beach, they don't, But I feel like it's relevant in
Speaker 2: the sense that remember why else says I will always
Speaker 2: stay safe with your mummy and daddy, And he says about,
Speaker 2: you know, don't talk to people you don't know. But
Speaker 2: actually the truth is that normally when Charlie's happens, it's
Speaker 2: someone that they do know, and it's not a stranger
Speaker 2: that you have to worry about. So and then when
Speaker 2: he says about stay safe with your mummy and daddy
Speaker 2: and the little boys, he doesn't call for his daddy
Speaker 2: just cause mummy. Yeah, So it kind of there's a
Speaker 2: relevance there, but you wouldn't pick up on that watching
Speaker 2: it the first time.
Speaker 3: Like I said, going back to which ones are real,
Speaker 3: which ones aren't, Like I said, I don't really think
Speaker 3: anything that's probably the most likely to have been real.
Speaker 3: He gets a load of letters and drawn dodgy letters, mail,
Speaker 3: total random prop But do you see when he's putting
Speaker 3: the thing in the drawers, there's a book on how
Speaker 3: to complain about goods and services?
Speaker 2: What's that doing? Excellent?
Speaker 3: Read the whole book on that, like it was. It
Speaker 3: was very It was a thin book.
Speaker 2: Okay, how many chapters can you say about how to complain.
Speaker 3: Such an odd prop to have inn iesight?
Speaker 2: Like the camera line, So the birthday film.
Speaker 3: So she's got a doll that looks terrifying, a tea
Speaker 3: set and a Kate said, linking back to the pylon.
Speaker 2: That's my question for this episode being changed. Then, Oh, well,
Speaker 2: so we don't, I mean, not much happens in that
Speaker 2: other that she wants to light the candles.
Speaker 3: That's like the candles. Yeah, and it cuts away before
Speaker 3: anything happens. Oh something went back to here and.
Speaker 2: We see Ronnie's grown up. Ronnie's got burns under his
Speaker 2: beetles hair, and again he's getting haunted by this you know,
Speaker 2: creepy fluttering everywhere. And then there's this bedroom door that, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something going on behind.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 2: I was so confused originally watching this because I assumed
Speaker 2: for Ages that obviously as he meant to, I think
Speaker 2: that this is his house where he lives. Yes, and
Speaker 2: then there's a twist later, but I think it took
Speaker 2: me a couple of watches to actually understand that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again you just watch it now and it's like
Speaker 2: they make it extremely obvious. So I don't know where
Speaker 2: my brain was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you have nothing to go on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, your brain just makes assumptions and yeah, just.
Speaker 3: Why like only connected so hard? You have no idea
Speaker 3: what film of question we're on right now? If this
Speaker 3: sport is this history? Like who knows?
Speaker 2: So he makes his bed on the floor of the
Speaker 2: living room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a sofa right there. That's true, but
Speaker 3: we finally figure out, like you said, with the smartphone
Speaker 3: when the hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's so weird because the how like those
Speaker 2: videos and the video machine and the TV. It's also
Speaker 2: of the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel wrong him having a fancy phone
Speaker 3: as well, that could do. I'd kind of expect him
Speaker 3: to have an old like Nokia if anything. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: love his mum. Yeah, so George Glenn, I don't know her.
Speaker 2: Oh she's in everything, like she always has tiny parts
Speaker 2: in everything, like BBC stuff, and I think she's in
Speaker 2: Calendar Girls back in the day. Oh yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know why that sticks in my memory, but yeah, she's
Speaker 2: always good Scottish. If you couldn't tell from the name,
Speaker 2: but yeah, she's a good Northern accent for this.
Speaker 3: She's great. She's really sweet as well. She is lovely
Speaker 3: just calling between the curries.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, you know, we get drips later on.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm trying to piece together where Ronie's
Speaker 2: been and what his situation is, because obviously they talk
Speaker 2: about you know, where you've been, like as if he's
Speaker 2: been in some sort of institution. Yeah, but how long
Speaker 2: has he been out of that and where does he
Speaker 2: live now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well she's not seen him in three years, she says, yeah,
Speaker 3: and if he was in the institution until recently, she
Speaker 3: could have visited him. Yeah, So presumably he's been out
Speaker 3: for at least three years and he's.
Speaker 2: Just doing his own thing.
Speaker 3: I guess. So I don't know. Yeah, but she seems
Speaker 3: she's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she seems really Yeah, considering what happened and everything,
Speaker 2: she loves him.
Speaker 3: I think I noticed on this last watch she says
Speaker 3: about how are you coming over for dinner tomorrow or
Speaker 3: Monday or whenever it was, and he says, will dad
Speaker 3: be there? And I think if you don't know what's
Speaker 3: going on, it's more the opposite of yeah, oh, i've
Speaker 3: not seen Dad in ages? Is he coming? Would be
Speaker 3: lovely if he was there, Like Dad's left, like that
Speaker 3: trope of Dad's left and the kid never gets see
Speaker 3: him and idolizes him or whatever. Yeah, a bit like
Speaker 3: last week with it the dad moving to Singapore kind
Speaker 3: of thing which flips later exactly know what's really going on,
Speaker 3: but get the great line of cats don't wear shoes.
Speaker 3: There isn't a lot of comedy in this in this episode,
Speaker 3: but when it happens.
Speaker 2: And Reese is really good at this character. I like
Speaker 2: how when he talks to his mum he regresses to
Speaker 2: be very childlike. Yeah. She slightly reminded me a bit
Speaker 2: of the girl in Hurry Up and Wait. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's something about the way he was speaking. I can't
Speaker 2: remember there's one line he has and he just says
Speaker 2: it in this way that's like, so.
Speaker 3: I'm getting all the all the impressions and yeah, but
Speaker 3: yeah I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, he's good and he's so sweet. Really, you know,
Speaker 2: he just wants to be happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot a lot of shit over his life,
Speaker 3: bless him, and lot of it's his fault. And then
Speaker 3: he cuts her off mid I love you, and then
Speaker 3: it's creepy time.
Speaker 2: Oh we've got the hospital bit first. Oh sorry, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's where I think that's where the shift happens
Speaker 2: and it becomes less This could never be a public
Speaker 2: information film. It's just very directly his life, yeah, being
Speaker 2: shown in that style.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think when wise Owl appears at this point,
Speaker 3: it's bigger than the other, Like he feels like it's
Speaker 3: an adult okay, and like that is just a stand
Speaker 3: in for his dad at this point, literally standing next
Speaker 3: to him saying these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, whereas before it very.
Speaker 3: Much feels like it's sort of owls, like a bit
Speaker 3: bigger than now, but sort of more like that side.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and he tells him he mustn't say anything.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm horrible, says.
Speaker 3: Good, don't know what's happening, but yeah, something bad exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is just such an incredible show that the way
Speaker 2: they managed to mix together all this stuff that's you know, creepy,
Speaker 2: heartrending and funny. It's such a.
Speaker 3: Fine line to walk and not for either of them
Speaker 3: to feel like they're cheapening the other exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, the creepy bit, very creepy. So this
Speaker 2: is the second time in series seven that we have
Speaker 2: penis on the BBC seven is the series of the penises. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's terrible. I mean right, that owl head would be
Speaker 2: scary enough even if he had clothes on. For me,
Speaker 2: do you know what it reminds me of? And it's
Speaker 2: this might be a very specific memory to me, but
Speaker 2: I always found in Scooby.
Speaker 3: Doo back in the day, Okay, this will be fun,
Speaker 3: there were.
Speaker 2: These big owl men that were like there were men
Speaker 2: dressed in our costumes. Obviously you find out the end,
Speaker 2: but I always found them terrifying, Like they've got these
Speaker 2: massive eyes, like blank eyes, and they and they you know,
Speaker 2: flap their arms like wings and they run after you.
Speaker 2: And I always found them terrifying as a kid. And
Speaker 2: this just reminded me of that.
Speaker 3: I remember that. Okay, yeah I don't. It wasn't quite
Speaker 3: as creepy as I remember it being. I think i'd
Speaker 3: built it up in my mind as being really really creepy.
Speaker 3: When its head turns round, that was creepy because of
Speaker 3: the stutteriness of it. Yeah, I kind of almost wish
Speaker 3: that they'd made that they'd cut out a few frames
Speaker 3: when he walks to make him look a bit more
Speaker 3: stop motion.
Speaker 2: Y mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But I like, I really like how it just sort
Speaker 3: of appears around the door frame.
Speaker 2: Oh it's awful. Yeah, I actually quite like how it
Speaker 2: starts off quite realistic, that he's just there and you
Speaker 2: think what's going on because you don't know it's a dream,
Speaker 2: And then and then it gradually becomes even more horrific
Speaker 2: and more like turning round.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I was going to ask you, you say
Speaker 3: you don't realize it's a dream. Do you reckon it's
Speaker 3: a dream? Or is it him imagining it but awake?
Speaker 3: Was not much.
Speaker 2: It comes to the same. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because he's imagining things like the feather
Speaker 3: in the bath and them.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't take it that he was asleep. Okay, I
Speaker 3: guess you're meant I probably did at the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I just think one of those like
Speaker 2: between sleeping and waking sort of weird things. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: hallucination possibly who.
Speaker 3: It is it was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering about BBC.
Speaker 3: I assume it's not.
Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't. Ben Cook, Well, I'm sure there are
Speaker 2: many people that that's their career. Why not be naked bodies?
Speaker 3: This isn't being shown flapping about on BBC. Yah.
Speaker 2: I like that's double meaning of flapping about with him
Speaker 2: being an hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got that.
Speaker 2: It was intentional to get it. What a hoot? Do
Speaker 2: you know that joke about I know someone who sounds
Speaker 2: like an owl and then that's supposed to get who.
Speaker 3: My mind froze for a second of what do I reply?
Speaker 3: That isn't he?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So taxidermy, Yeah, this is a weird This is
Speaker 2: a weird bit the cat dying in the cartoon that
Speaker 2: my sister's cat died.
Speaker 3: Its death throats does a perfect one eight freeze his
Speaker 3: legs in the air.
Speaker 2: That is so good, and then his eyes just turns
Speaker 2: across his.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the point when you start to really
Speaker 3: like it shifts from public information to this definitely isn't
Speaker 3: like I know the hospital one. It's starting to go,
Speaker 3: what's happening here? This is very definitely something creepy is happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in a way, the hospital one was purely
Speaker 2: just the narrative of his but this one is almost
Speaker 2: like it's the narrative but it's also they're presenting it
Speaker 2: in like a pastiche or because the way he sort
Speaker 2: of demonstrates how to do it is like an informational film.
Speaker 2: So it's funny that the.
Speaker 3: Way it's like talking to kids is oh, just need
Speaker 3: a scalpel and some calvinized wire and tanning chemicals.
Speaker 2: Always read the label with a little smile, and even
Speaker 2: just at the start where it's like, haven't your children
Speaker 2: heard of taxi? Taxi? What dermy?
Speaker 3: Honestly I want them to make a load of these
Speaker 3: of like are you not aware of necromancy?
Speaker 2: Children?
Speaker 3: Like all you need is a pentagram and candles.
Speaker 2: It's a very surreal bit. Yeah, and just the graphicness
Speaker 2: of of taking the skin off the carcass and checking
Speaker 2: it in the fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the inners of this cat are grim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 3: I don't really get why the owl says you need
Speaker 3: to remove the eyes, and then they never bother with
Speaker 3: using the eyes again. Oh that's true, because you don't
Speaker 3: really get the point of that.
Speaker 2: But was that the first thing to remove the eyes?
Speaker 3: No, to take take the skin off and then remove
Speaker 3: then remove the eyes.
Speaker 2: I can help, and but then when we don't need
Speaker 2: those sockets, so.
Speaker 3: No, and then it's throw away the rest of the cat. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and later get eyes in your sandwiches and replace the
Speaker 3: eyes of the glass ones. I don't really get that.
Speaker 3: I don't care, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Why you can have an eye and a sandwich. This
Speaker 2: is a good to play a game. And I love
Speaker 2: how unbothered she is by the eye, just like, oh.
Speaker 3: So stupid.
Speaker 2: Yea. The word I wrote down was perverse.
Speaker 3: And it's the way this cat goes from looking awful
Speaker 3: that they tweak it a bit to a tweak it
Speaker 3: a bit too. It's just the same cat they started exactly.
Speaker 2: Also, the foam shape they cut out that is like
Speaker 2: a two D flat shape that then apparently suddenly looks
Speaker 2: like a three D cat.
Speaker 3: And you didn't tell us we needed foam at the
Speaker 3: start either. I got all the bits together and heard
Speaker 3: her only phone.
Speaker 2: Damn it.
Speaker 3: Just they're hacking up sofa cushions.
Speaker 2: And so was So do we think that that really
Speaker 2: happened in a sense that like maybe he drunkenly gave
Speaker 2: them a crash course in how to maybe do that,
Speaker 2: maybe or as Ronnie just observed his dad doing it.
Speaker 2: M maybe I don't know. I don't know actually, or
Speaker 2: maybe it just yeah, maybe he just observed it and
Speaker 2: this is just his his mind is just thinking, Oh,
Speaker 2: I've seen him do it enough time. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know what possesses him to have a go where there's
Speaker 2: no need for him to do that?
Speaker 3: Is it an adult told me to do this, and
Speaker 3: he follows what adults tell him to do.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's very true, although he's a stranger. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: we get to see his attempt.
Speaker 3: Oh, poor Ferrari, what have you become? Ferrari? Oh my god?
Speaker 3: Again set dressing team props. You've nailed it.
Speaker 2: Is there a syringe sticking out of it for no
Speaker 2: real reason? Yeah? How didn't really get that?
Speaker 3: I guess that was the chemicals he's pumping in. Maybe
Speaker 3: he doesn't maybe me know what the chemicals are, and
Speaker 3: he's just tried to put anything in that he thinks
Speaker 3: and that awful like golf ball sized eye, the teeth
Speaker 3: at funny angles, blood.
Speaker 2: All over it. So, I mean, yeah, it was never
Speaker 2: going to be great?
Speaker 3: Was it? Cover it and draw it be fine? Ylophone
Speaker 3: won't know.
Speaker 2: But the way that they set that up of the
Speaker 2: you know, we've we've now seen what he's done, and
Speaker 2: then Steve turns up again, demanding it back. You better
Speaker 2: not have touched it. I want it back exactly as
Speaker 2: it was. Yeah, that's almost like a chuckle vision episode
Speaker 2: of Life.
Speaker 3: Too Late.
Speaker 2: Brothers try a taxidermy, but.
Speaker 3: When he sells the I love it back or whatever?
Speaker 3: Who ferrari. I'm just seeing them out there, like debating
Speaker 3: what we're going to call this rabbit, Like, what's the
Speaker 3: best name that we can give this rabbit? Yeah, what's
Speaker 3: going to get a great laugh here? Yeah, we're so
Speaker 3: limited on jokes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, poor old mister Blenkin has to go off back
Speaker 3: to his own story and we won't ever find out
Speaker 3: what happened. It'd be interesting, if I guess. It's a
Speaker 3: bit like what they did in Cucumber of having all
Speaker 3: the separate stories put into linking together. Yeah, you could
Speaker 3: have a separate story entirely about that family. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: could like an anthology where it's not self contained but is.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know what you mean. I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's a term for that, but that'd be a good concept.
Speaker 3: It's just ven diagrams, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So like a bit like love actually, like the way
Speaker 2: that they all sort of are connected but vaguely. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was really crap example to use, but it's
Speaker 2: just what pops work. So yeah, and he importantly notes
Speaker 2: that he's been told that the taxidermist mister Oliver is
Speaker 2: an old man in his seventies. By the way, did
Speaker 2: you notice that Wilfred Oliver wa is the same initials
Speaker 2: as why is Al? Yeah? I only noticed that because
Speaker 2: I was writing WO to stand.
Speaker 3: For I didn't know what his surname was. That's where
Speaker 3: it occurred.
Speaker 2: So yeah, more dark stuff now, lighting a match, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: He has a vision of the house burning.
Speaker 3: What is watching on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we see her funeral.
Speaker 3: Mmm. I like that.
Speaker 2: You know that thing where they do one shot cut
Speaker 2: into another shot where it's like quite similar. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: the ball in the bag going into the path and
Speaker 2: then the coffin going into the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite cool. That's what I wanted, Like, if
Speaker 3: I to work in film, I just want to spend
Speaker 3: the whole time coming up with cool transitions. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We had it last week with the skateboard wheel and
Speaker 2: the coffee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My favorite is is when it's like a character walks
Speaker 3: from one set into another set and it looks like
Speaker 3: we've cut into another, but it's actually they built the.
Speaker 2: Sets next Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so good. They do that a lot
Speaker 3: in the second and third Sore films. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of those, like back to Back. Were just like cut
Speaker 3: through some police table or whatever and you straightened the
Speaker 3: crime scene from a bedroom or whatever. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: because they built the sets next to each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. They do a lot of that in
Speaker 2: Sherlock in the first couple of series, they did so
Speaker 2: much like physical stuff, practical stuff to make it, to
Speaker 2: make the cool effects.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool when they put the effort in
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be so much fun, like working out
Speaker 3: how to do all these things back before CGI was
Speaker 3: just an option, and how to make everything work. I've
Speaker 3: spent ages.
Speaker 2: I was working with someone once and they said they
Speaker 2: were mocking like director of photography and saying, what kind
Speaker 2: of rubbish role is that? You just all you do
Speaker 2: is point a camera and film. I'm like, well, actually,
Speaker 2: there's a lot more.
Speaker 3: To it than that. When a job's done, well you
Speaker 3: don't even know that they've exactly exactly, but you'd notice
Speaker 3: if it wasn't there exactly cheaper and cheaper.
Speaker 2: So Wolf turns up he's Ronny's father. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: his house, which it took me till like the second
Speaker 2: or the watch to realize. So, so it turns out
Speaker 2: Ronnie has broken in to his dad's house. He's been
Speaker 2: camping out there.
Speaker 3: For some reason that's never really on into.
Speaker 2: No, well, I guess he. I think he's been doing
Speaker 2: a lot of processing and I think going back to
Speaker 2: the scene of where it will happened, He's is important
Speaker 2: to him. Yeah, I don't know what he's intending to
Speaker 2: do when he confront if you know, if was he
Speaker 2: intending to confront his dad or did he just want
Speaker 2: to go there and have a look around, do you know? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yes, he finds it. It turns out that he
Speaker 2: is an actor, did the voice of wise Oul and
Speaker 2: also latterly a taxidermist. Yes, because that's a logical career progression.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what you do. It happens so frequently.
Speaker 2: When the acts related.
Speaker 3: It's transferable skills. Did you notice. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's intentional that when the dad finds running upstairs that
Speaker 3: he's perched on the bath like a bird. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's what that really means, but it struck
Speaker 3: me that it must be intentional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't actually clocked that, but you're Yeah.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you just be sat on it. You wouldn't be
Speaker 3: perched with your feet up on there.
Speaker 2: I just felt that he was sort of hunched and
Speaker 2: like feeling vulnerable in the corner. But yeah, that works
Speaker 2: as well, a.
Speaker 3: Bit of a chat and a catchup on what's going on.
Speaker 3: That's drinking. He doesn't approve. It's been to Pickering for
Speaker 3: toy fair. Pickering is about twenty miles that way, Okay,
Speaker 3: points out of window, and there is a toy museum.
Speaker 3: I think I've been. I can't remember, Okay, And he mentions,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware of this. The one
Speaker 3: of the Bungles was there, not the creepy one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Have you seen the creepy one? So you aware of
Speaker 3: Bungle b from Rainbow? Yeah, there was an original Bungle, right,
Speaker 3: The one that you know of was post pilot Bungle. Oh,
Speaker 3: the pilot Oh my god, had this.
Speaker 2: Guy whoa Now that's the stuff for nightmares, right, and
Speaker 2: the owl people from Scooby Doo that Yeah, yeah, to
Speaker 2: keep me awake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was much more godly fied.
Speaker 2: Yes, subsequently pink for one thing.
Speaker 3: That's Georgeorge.
Speaker 2: Oh, Bungles still brown.
Speaker 3: And yeah, but he's not the stuff of light anymore.
Speaker 3: We'll reserve that for the weird Zip creature and whatever.
Speaker 2: They Yeah, what is he?
Speaker 3: I understand that Bungles meant to be a bet and
Speaker 3: George is meant to be a hippo or something. Yes,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is Zippy meant to be?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I felt they had left. I don't know. He is
Speaker 3: nothing in nature.
Speaker 2: Yeah you probably know this, but the person who voiced Zippy,
Speaker 2: Roy Skelton, did a lot of darlic voices back in
Speaker 2: the day on Yeah, I didn't know a lot of
Speaker 2: the actually in the seventies, do sound like Zippy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you mention just slightly gayer. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: smage of Kenneth Williams.
Speaker 2: And they're planning. Well, they were trying to bring words
Speaker 2: our back. Computure animation would have been crap. Yes, I
Speaker 2: actually agree with him on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, none of them are good?
Speaker 2: Are they.
Speaker 3: Give me? Live action? Thomas? The tank?
Speaker 2: Literally? Yes, CGI has its place, it does, but the
Speaker 2: ch you get in more sort of hand done things
Speaker 2: is just yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I know it's a tangent, but I don't understand what
Speaker 3: the need is for making lots of kids TV stuff
Speaker 3: because you don't really watch it again as an adult,
Speaker 3: so so just reach you just repeat it over and
Speaker 3: over again. These kids know nothing. They're literally brand new.
Speaker 2: They don't know.
Speaker 3: None of these kids aging this was forty years old,
Speaker 3: one better entertainment. They will accept it just the same
Speaker 3: as anyone else did when they first had it. It's
Speaker 3: a it's an industry that doesn't need to exist. Well,
Speaker 3: it's like Christmas and ones. We've got like ten of
Speaker 3: them just recycling around around every year.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The thing is they churn out nine
Speaker 2: it is obviously shit, but like some of it. The
Speaker 2: new stuff that comes out I'm sure is gold and
Speaker 2: like it will take off. And so it seems a
Speaker 2: shame not to, you know, to deprive children of I.
Speaker 3: Hear blue is amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh it is. I've seen it when I when I
Speaker 2: was working at school. Yeah, he reminded me of burn
Speaker 2: a Black from Black Books. I'm sure he has a
Speaker 2: line about children always look surprised everything is new to them. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: that's more serious matters. Yeah, yeah, because Monday would have
Speaker 2: been the sister's fiftieth birthday as well as back therefore
Speaker 2: being the anniversary of her death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's the fact that it's such a long time,
Speaker 2: like it's fifty years it's been, like that is a
Speaker 2: long time for all this to be buried. Yeah, which
Speaker 2: again really reminds me of Czardines. It's that generational thing
Speaker 2: of like it's been I mean it's even longer in
Speaker 2: this one. But yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, when when a thing becomes more than
Speaker 3: half of your life ago, yet it's still so important,
Speaker 3: you can't ever really move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the mat the you know, the dad obviously
Speaker 2: he's got away with it this long. He thinks he's safe,
Speaker 2: and so at this point, the way that it's being
Speaker 2: painted is that it was Ronnie's fault.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ronnie did something presumably started this fire that we've
Speaker 3: worked out as happened, and the sister died during this. However,
Speaker 3: indeed not so much. And it's the fact that Dad
Speaker 3: is still blaming the son. He's still saying like, oh,
Speaker 3: it isn't your fault, like but implying that it was
Speaker 3: you did it, Yeah, even if it wasn't your.
Speaker 2: Fault, because it protects him. Yeah, he's selfish and he's
Speaker 2: just using He literally is just using his son.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so literally the lines start to blurn out.
Speaker 2: This is a cool bit, yeah, where it gets superimposed
Speaker 2: into the Yeah film.
Speaker 3: Half animation, half live action, well not half live action,
Speaker 3: but a percentage live action with Reese and all the
Speaker 3: other characters.
Speaker 2: He's so good in that bit.
Speaker 3: They said this was the bit of the film first,
Speaker 3: so they could get all the perspectives right and like
Speaker 3: proportions and things, okay, and the film at the same
Speaker 3: time as mister King and you just have to go
Speaker 3: and do that one day in this little green screen
Speaker 3: with like cardboard boxes to look like match boxes and
Speaker 3: things all painted green. Yeah, And they said that it
Speaker 3: was the height of COVID, so they'd be like the
Speaker 3: animated guy was watching on the monitors to like check
Speaker 3: the proportions and things and have to ask if you'd
Speaker 3: come over to like resize the match boxes, and then
Speaker 3: they have to reset and come back in and like wow,
Speaker 3: picking back and forth. Yeah, and yeah, I don't think
Speaker 3: I think didn't enjoy it because it was weird and techy,
Speaker 3: but I was happy obviously how it turned out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I always love those fusion of live action
Speaker 2: animation when it's done well like that, like you bed
Speaker 2: nobs and broomsticks and Mary Poppins obviously much more impressive
Speaker 2: back in those days.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't feel here like it's just a person
Speaker 3: on a green screen like he feels yeah, the stuff
Speaker 3: in front of him and stuff behind him, he's interacting
Speaker 3: and picking stuff up, and.
Speaker 2: The quality on him m fuzziness. Yeah, And yeah, as
Speaker 2: I say, it's performance there, like he really reverts back
Speaker 2: to being a child, and you feel for him that
Speaker 2: because he actually is being responsible, he's trying to be,
Speaker 2: but he's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been told not to do all these things.
Speaker 2: And so this is the point where if it wasn't
Speaker 2: already obvious, you are shown that wise Aul is literally
Speaker 2: that literally the dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's very quite upsetting, isn't it, just seeing this
Speaker 2: beloved cartoon character slumped in a chair drunk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really sad actually, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And this figure that is supposed to be the figure
Speaker 2: that you trust and that keeps you safe and he's
Speaker 2: just in the corner, like doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 3: And again and not another thing. I'm not realized until
Speaker 3: this point that that is their living room in these
Speaker 3: shots like that the shape of that fireplace is the
Speaker 3: same fireplace that's there. Yeah, yeah, so very dark turn
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, before we move on to that, though, there's
Speaker 2: the again where they tread that line of dark and
Speaker 2: comedy where he says gross and balls are on even
Speaker 2: fox sake, and she's just like, ah, he said balls.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that was the worst word in the
Speaker 2: in the line.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like I was trying to justify in that
Speaker 3: head of like, well, maybe she's just too young that
Speaker 3: she doesn't know what she doesn't know what fuck is,
Speaker 3: but she knows that balls are rude exactly.
Speaker 2: I suppose you could say she's heard, she hears for
Speaker 2: fuck's sake and stuff like that so much she's become
Speaker 2: desensitized too. It doesn't mean anything, whereas balls is a
Speaker 2: bit more specific maybe yeah, yeah, which again, you know,
Speaker 2: he's a terrible parent. It's normalized in their household in
Speaker 2: front of the children who just say fuck sake all
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, and yeah, quite hard to talk about
Speaker 2: the next bit. So the owl slash Dad basically makes
Speaker 2: Runny go upstairs with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we get the cut back to like live
Speaker 3: action of what's actually happening with the birthday party of
Speaker 3: this poor girl there with her matches and birthday cake,
Speaker 3: because they're going upstairs showing for anyone that's not realized
Speaker 3: what's going on that this did happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, it's so horrible.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I mean, any one bit of it would be it
Speaker 2: would be awful on its own, but all combined together,
Speaker 2: you just don't know what to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what obviously happened to Ronnie, but
Speaker 3: the fact that the cost of that the daughter died, yeah,
Speaker 3: being a bandon.
Speaker 2: And that therefore to protect himself from being found out
Speaker 2: about that, he's lete take the blame. Yeah, well just
Speaker 2: what an awful man, what a monster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you can't in that situation like protect the
Speaker 3: kid that's.
Speaker 2: Left, well he's obviously you know he he should never
Speaker 2: been a parent. No, it's like, oh, because he says, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I loved you and all that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: if you love someone, you don't do that. Yeah. It's
Speaker 2: so sad.
Speaker 3: It's the way he's capitalized on how much this kid
Speaker 3: like listens to the wise aptl and oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's he's used using it as this like control
Speaker 2: because they mentioned that, don't they they say, he says,
Speaker 2: Ronnie says to him, I always did everything wise Ouse said.
Speaker 2: And there's this sort of implication that it's about what
Speaker 2: they did together. Yeah, and Wilf's like.
Speaker 3: Oh, that was just a game, you know you enjoyed it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, growth Yeah, this episode will definitely need a warning
Speaker 2: at the start, yes, so oh yeah, And it's that
Speaker 2: whole thing of when he's he's actually confronting him with
Speaker 2: the knife and why did you let me take the blame?
Speaker 2: And all he says is, oh, let's not dredge up
Speaker 2: the past, you know, like because to him he doesn't A.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want it to come up because he doesn't
Speaker 2: want to face consequences, but B it's not that significant
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 3: No, and it was years ago like in his head.
Speaker 3: Who cares like it.
Speaker 2: Done ruined this boy's whole life?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and how he just can't see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's awful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Runner's aside is enough enough. I take issue
Speaker 3: with his choice of weapon. Of all the knives, a
Speaker 3: breadknife probably the one you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Do probably, but maybe does that just speak to the
Speaker 2: fact that he was never really deep down he was
Speaker 2: never going to do that. Yeah, maybe, because this is
Speaker 2: what I really like actually about this, Like we were
Speaker 2: saying comparing it to Sardines that this then, you know,
Speaker 2: Sardines is one episode, and it's something that the series
Speaker 2: does a lot where we've said before, where you know,
Speaker 2: people who have suffered abuse or trauma, or they have
Speaker 2: mental health issues then do something awful like murder, And
Speaker 2: in this case, this could so easily have been another
Speaker 2: one of those, but they swerve that and they take
Speaker 2: it in a completely different direction, and this is the
Speaker 2: the best possible way it could go from where it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's reclaiming his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like that he was tempted, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: then he decides, actually, you don't have any power over me.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to drag you be dragged down to
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to become Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's such a strong ending, such a powerful ending, uplifting
Speaker 2: ending in a way it is it is, and the
Speaker 2: music like it swells and you know, we haven't got
Speaker 2: to that bit yet when he's chasing him after out.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's amazing, really powerful. But yeah, at
Speaker 2: this point he stabs the pillow instead conveniently, so we
Speaker 2: get we get him covered in feathers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it becomes the wise out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that is really cool. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 2: looks he looks brilliant with the you know, the feathers,
Speaker 2: the feathers on.
Speaker 3: Him any angles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he's like he decides, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go and I'm going to tell Mum that's at least
Speaker 2: the starting point, that's what he's going to do, and
Speaker 2: then she'll help him, presumably with what to do next.
Speaker 2: But Wolfe's just panicking obviously, and like, you know, you
Speaker 2: can't clutching its straws. And it's that bit when he
Speaker 2: tries he puts the voice on. Yes, like he's trying
Speaker 2: to play his trump card, but this time it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: It's finally lost its power. He sees through it.
Speaker 2: But that's such a creepy bit when the effect comes
Speaker 2: on the voice and he does his face is so
Speaker 2: sort of creepy and the feathers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because obviously objectively he put the voice on, but
Speaker 3: it wouldn't sound the same. So this is still presumably
Speaker 3: Ronnie hearing it as that Like, it's still got some
Speaker 3: power over him because he's hearing it as that voice.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good point. The power that it has
Speaker 2: over him is still affecting him, but he's able to
Speaker 2: overcome it. Yeah, it's not that it doesn't have power,
Speaker 2: but he's able to be stronger.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So good. There's so much to it, but yeah,
Speaker 3: and so he leaves and we transition back to animation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then this time he looks like the grown up.
Speaker 3: Well that he actually grows like as a person, like
Speaker 3: physically and like metaphorically. Yeah, and becomes from a child
Speaker 3: to an adult.
Speaker 2: I like that, and really looks like Reese's the nose
Speaker 2: and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they said they went back and forth
Speaker 3: on this is whether it should be live action or
Speaker 3: not at that point.
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3: And they decided that it worked. I think someone in
Speaker 3: the production just said, I think it should be animation.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I can't imagine it the action. No, because the
Speaker 2: fact that he becomes the owl again and and this
Speaker 2: this is what I love as well, that he's now
Speaker 2: the owl no longer has the you know, the reassuring
Speaker 2: like you know RP sort of accent. But he's he's
Speaker 2: just as you know, all over the place you in
Speaker 2: the background, like he's lost his control and flapping about
Speaker 2: from side to side. It's really fair.
Speaker 3: Can see why you might not have done it an
Speaker 3: animation of like, well, animation is the bad thing, like
Speaker 3: is representing all the bad memories and stuff. Like, he's
Speaker 3: breaking out of the animation and it's becoming real again.
Speaker 2: You could say he's breaking out of it, but I
Speaker 2: choose to say.
Speaker 3: That, actually, he's taking control of it exactly.
Speaker 2: That's why it works for me, is that it's it's
Speaker 2: because he's not going to get rid of all that stuff, no,
Speaker 2: but he has to learn to live with it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and take control of it. And so yeah, the fact
Speaker 2: that he's now leaving and being his own agent in
Speaker 2: this within this this world of animation that represents his
Speaker 2: life and.
Speaker 3: His history, and he's an adult in it like a
Speaker 3: child himself.
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, really good. Yeah, brilliant final line as well,
Speaker 2: telling him to get stuff.
Speaker 3: Good on. You're running perfect perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was reading. I mean, we often tend to
Speaker 2: read the same Reddit threads.
Speaker 3: I haven't been on the redit okay, I didn't get
Speaker 3: around to that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I saw some people. I feel like they started
Speaker 2: these threads when the episodes were airing, and people were
Speaker 2: actually typing theories as it was airing, which I find
Speaker 2: a bit strange, but just watched the thing anyway. But
Speaker 2: people were thinking that it was going to go down
Speaker 2: a weird route like that he taxi dermied his sister
Speaker 2: and he was her body was going to be stuff
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, recent Steve said that they did, like think,
Speaker 3: I don't know whether they considered it or whether they
Speaker 3: thought that the obvious thing would be it would end
Speaker 3: with Ronnie taxiderming the dad.
Speaker 2: But again, that's that lets him become something he does
Speaker 2: to become. This is so this is so refreshing actually
Speaker 2: for this show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's restrained. It's like it's not going for the
Speaker 3: shock thing. Yes, in a way, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I love it. It's really good, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's really fantastic. I remembered it being good, but it's
Speaker 3: it's better than I remember exactly. And you know, I
Speaker 3: always say this episode I showed to people. It's when
Speaker 3: I don't show to people because you know, you never
Speaker 3: know what someone's gone through. And like it might trigger something,
Speaker 3: but it's so good and I want to be able
Speaker 3: to show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what's tricky about show like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we said earlier about episodes overlap like Van diagrams.
Speaker 3: There is a slight overlap in this one, slight in
Speaker 3: mister King.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's.
Speaker 3: In Welsh okay, crossing the road or something. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: we go, that's the nu. Yeah, so ratings what you're
Speaker 3: going for.
Speaker 2: I've written down an eight mm provisionally, but I'm now
Speaker 2: asking myself, is there any reason why I've made it
Speaker 2: an eight and not nine? Why why have I pulled
Speaker 2: it down to an eight? And I'm not sure really
Speaker 2: I think actually, through talking about it, I think it
Speaker 2: deserves to be a nine.
Speaker 3: Same. Yeah, I was doing exactly the same thing in
Speaker 3: my head, like why I have a nine? If we
Speaker 3: don't use it, what's to stop it being there? So yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's been a while, it's a given one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well done. Wise, how.
Speaker 3: Big question? I almost like, as we were watching it,
Speaker 3: if you would point out, if you ever saw it,
Speaker 3: did you spot the hair?
Speaker 2: Well I'm not because it's so dark. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but I feel like it was probably in amongst the
Speaker 2: taxidamian animals, like on the mantelpiece. No, oh, it was.
Speaker 3: I don't know how else to describe it. But you
Speaker 3: know that where the door is the creepy owl comes through. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's on a set of shelves to the right. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's visible throughout the episode, but I don't know how
Speaker 3: else you describe it. Yeah, okay, it's just shut on
Speaker 3: a shelf on its own.
Speaker 2: Fair that's the bonus. One of the stuffed ferrari that.
Speaker 3: Looks a bit like Sure they chose it to be
Speaker 3: a rabbit for.
Speaker 2: That because no one has a pet hair. But well yeah, realistically, okay,
Speaker 2: cool Series seven old done amazing. It was a good one.
Speaker 3: That's on lot my phone for quiz questions and scary
Speaker 3: bungle of it.
Speaker 2: Oh dear, the stuff of nightmares. So serious seven quiz.
Speaker 3: Quick time, Merrily, Merrily, what flavor of milkshake did Darren
Speaker 3: spill down Donna's back bringing them together?
Speaker 2: Now? I know this because because whenever there's a milkshake
Speaker 2: on offer, this is Ben's choice. That's how I remembered it.
Speaker 2: It was an aureo. It was I'm more of a banana.
Speaker 2: Do you not like banana. Oh, I love banana.
Speaker 3: That is the only flavor I don't like. This is
Speaker 3: the only fruit I don't like.
Speaker 2: We don't even like real bananas.
Speaker 3: No, really, I wish I did because it's so convenient.
Speaker 2: But there's a big difference between real banana taste and
Speaker 2: fake banana taste. Oh, I know this isn't it because
Speaker 2: there's a type of banana that used to be that.
Speaker 2: There isn't anything the.
Speaker 3: Flavors based on the old one. Yeah, yeah, well done. AnyWho,
Speaker 3: because that was my really hard question.
Speaker 2: I thought it was, and I actually considered using that
Speaker 2: as a question, and then I thought, oh, he might
Speaker 2: think of that one, and you did. Well, you'll probably
Speaker 2: get this. My question is, while Darren accuses Callum of
Speaker 2: wearing an outfit from Marks and Sparks, which designer labels
Speaker 2: he actually wearing Callum was Margaters.
Speaker 3: If I don't know, thinking out loud of different brands,
Speaker 3: I want to I'm torn between something like stepping Up
Speaker 3: it's gone By. I'm gonna go with Debenham.
Speaker 2: Can I pause before you give your answer and just
Speaker 2: say that I did say which designer label? So like
Speaker 2: not not like a department store? Okay, a designer. You
Speaker 2: go boss, it is, Yes, I helped you there. You
Speaker 2: could thank me later, maybe we'll see.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so mister King, yes, what vegetables has blondel
Speaker 3: when he won prizes for? Oh?
Speaker 2: I know what she says, Oh is it a turnips? Yes,
Speaker 2: because I feel like there's a joke there with turned
Speaker 2: nips and him looking at her breasts. Oh okay, maybe
Speaker 2: that's just me.
Speaker 3: I was almost I wrote that question. I wrote down leaks.
Speaker 2: Because at the end she says, you'll do my leaks
Speaker 2: a world it's so confident. No, she says, my turn
Speaker 2: if some one praises My question is what does Owen
Speaker 2: say he thinks causes hurricanes?
Speaker 3: God fighting?
Speaker 2: Yes' who's going?
Speaker 3: So? Is that we have?
Speaker 2: We all got them all?
Speaker 3: So? Yeah? Good nine lives cat It's really easy. Which
Speaker 3: actor does Barnabus want to play him in the I
Speaker 3: TV adaptation?
Speaker 2: Wait till he hear my question. So he wants Matt Damon? Yes?
Speaker 2: My question is which acted as Ezra suggest to play
Speaker 2: barn and the TV adaptation.
Speaker 3: Now, this is the downside of me writing the questions
Speaker 3: at the time, that they don't let me go back
Speaker 3: and check and see context. Around. He wants someone British.
Speaker 3: I want to say, Benedict, come back.
Speaker 2: It's not right. I'm afraid it was Jude Law.
Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, kidnap. What is Shane's dream job?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. Shane's dream job.
Speaker 3: Shane with Daniel Mays. By the way, I knew that.
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of him talking about a
Speaker 2: dream job. I remember. Well, actually, I don't know if
Speaker 2: he says it, or maybe Clifford says it about him,
Speaker 2: but either way, I can't remember.
Speaker 3: He does say that sparks something really annoyed.
Speaker 2: I don't think it will. I'm going to have to guess.
Speaker 3: Gardener he wants to be a pastry chef.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that rings a bell. Okay, we're still even then.
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't had my question yet, but yes, if
Speaker 3: I get this right, that's.
Speaker 2: It's likely different type of question. What color is the
Speaker 2: car that Laura and Shane escaping at the end escaping?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's red or blue? I'm pretty certain that it's red.
Speaker 2: It is red. That type of question would be a
Speaker 2: good one if you want to ask me for me
Speaker 2: to not know, because I'm terrible at visual memory.
Speaker 3: Well, I did think this before, because you often said
Speaker 3: that you take your questions from the scripts and things
Speaker 3: script won't say the color exactly. Do. I think this
Speaker 3: is far too easy? But he undern act of kindness?
Speaker 3: What year has Bob traveled.
Speaker 2: Back from twenty sixty two?
Speaker 3: That is easy? Well, I hoped you'd remember sixty and
Speaker 3: you'd go, well, sixty three would add up to nine,
Speaker 3: and you'd go with sixty three.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately not, No, No, to be fair, we did any
Speaker 2: record that a few days ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything was going to be easier. Well, hopefully we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the dinner scene, what kind of wine is
Speaker 2: Helen drinking? Red? White or rose? Give your multiple choice.
Speaker 3: Read, isn't it?
Speaker 2: It is red? So your last two answers were both read.
Speaker 2: I thought that might throw you.
Speaker 3: I didn't ever think in my head. I was certainly
Speaker 3: was a Merlow And I don't know why.
Speaker 2: They maybe mention it?
Speaker 3: Do they mention what it is?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure? Actually, okay, but yeah it was red
Speaker 2: one cool.
Speaker 3: So last question for the episode we've literally watched about
Speaker 3: an hour ago. What animal was Dr Pepper Derek's neighbors
Speaker 3: taxidermy commission? Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh, you did my neighbors.
Speaker 3: USh for those listening home. I'm crossing fingers.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, literally because I laughed at it when
Speaker 2: I said it, and now I've forgot more animal it was.
Speaker 2: I was laughing more at the dr pepper.
Speaker 3: That was nearly the question. I've nearly flipped it the
Speaker 3: other way round.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's something small and fairy.
Speaker 3: You're getting that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, hamster. I thought it was hamster. What is it?
Speaker 3: Bobtail?
Speaker 2: Oh that's a bird, is it?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. It's a cat. I think Oh,
Speaker 3: I think it's a term for anything that's had, like
Speaker 3: has a short tail. I think it's generally a cat,
Speaker 3: A bobtail.
Speaker 2: Cat is Oh okay, okay, yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: Looking for bob tail. I might have been leaning on
Speaker 3: cap but I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, you're certainly not.
Speaker 3: Oh this is true. So if I get this, I
Speaker 3: might win a second Oh really, it's a second series.
Speaker 3: It is four to four currently with a question to go.
Speaker 2: But you've got a question. It's period in fact, Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't need that because I'm making it out.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so annoying, because I have got that if
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, we've gone back and forth on whether we
Speaker 2: do that. In earlier series when it came up, we
Speaker 2: came up with new questions, and then last time I
Speaker 2: just let you do it anyway, and I got annoyed
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, if he's changing it, And
Speaker 2: now I feel bad because I know you're not going
Speaker 2: to get this as I.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's names, isn't it.
Speaker 2: What is the name of Ronnie's sister.
Speaker 3: Ronnie's sister, I think I know, Okay. I was hoping
Speaker 3: it was because I remember she's called Mimsy. There was
Speaker 3: a lot of names that I intentionally didn't say because
Speaker 3: I was like, well, if I don't say them, he
Speaker 3: won't go. Well, I'll ask that as a question.
Speaker 2: Yes, the sister's name.
Speaker 3: I'm torn between two. I think it's either Rebecca or Joanne. Right,
Speaker 3: it's really embarrassing if it's neither. But I think it's Rebecca.
Speaker 3: Is that that I've lost her? You've lost? Is that?
Speaker 2: I feel so bad because you were so close? It
Speaker 2: is Joane and Rebecca was the character in Sardine's that
Speaker 2: I thought, that's so interesting that you thought of Rebecca.
Speaker 2: But it was I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: It's still a draw, okay, and draw.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't affect the overall standings. No, so we're
Speaker 2: on a draw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I think am I two behind?
Speaker 2: I think I was pretty close. Yeah from what I remember, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you are too behind?
Speaker 3: Yeah behind, it would have been one.
Speaker 2: Mmm. I feel so bad now.
Speaker 3: It's fine, is what it is.
Speaker 2: I had to change it at the last minute. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: what an anti climax. It was a draw. Well.
Speaker 3: Series seven are wrapped up, but a good one it has.
Speaker 2: I think we say that every time, but I do think.
Speaker 2: I think from comments I've been seeing a lot of
Speaker 2: people felt Series six was a bit of a dip
Speaker 2: in quality. Yeah, I mean I can understand that we
Speaker 2: didn't give any eights or nines in that series.
Speaker 3: For a series that's gone on as long as it has,
Speaker 3: especially PBC series, like the joke that we have the
Speaker 3: Good Place of years there were twelve episodes or whatever. Like,
Speaker 3: it holds up well. Like, it doesn't significantly drip, It
Speaker 3: doesn't significantly drop in quality. No, Like we always say,
Speaker 3: there's some that we don't like as much, but it's
Speaker 3: not because they're objectively bad. They just maybe you don't
Speaker 3: vibe with them.
Speaker 2: Generally, it's a very high quality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do think seven is a really good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just two more to go.
Speaker 3: M We will tell you next episode where our hair
Speaker 3: was today. Let us know if you found it. Join
Speaker 3: us in a few weeks when we move back serious eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but until then, I think it's time to close
Speaker 2: the door on number nine.
Speaker 3: We can never really leave, do you.
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