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<v Speaker 1>All right, it is President's Day twenty twenty five. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>in the good old days used to get Lincoln's birthday

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<v Speaker 1>and Washington's birthday. It makes you wonder wherever they are

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<v Speaker 1>in the great Beyond, if they're having a conversation right

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<v Speaker 1>now saying what did we do wrong? How do we

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<v Speaker 1>get lumped together? I didn't even like you, But yet

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we have. We have President's Day to day

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five when we remember some of the great

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the not so great presidents in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of our country. By the way, it's the average

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<v Speaker 1>American in for the great American. I'm glad wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>are you've chosen to join us in police. Whoever left

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<v Speaker 1>the air conditioning on outside? Could they turn it off?

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<v Speaker 2>Place?

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<v Speaker 1>We are not done with winter yet, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>a day when we, you know, take time off. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure how many people are reflecting on the great

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<v Speaker 1>leaders this country has had, or even takes the time

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who's done, what went and to whom

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<v Speaker 1>and why where they actually rank in the great list

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<v Speaker 1>of effective presidents. But I know somebody who has, because

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<v Speaker 1>he has authored a book called Presidential Power and the

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<v Speaker 1>American political system. He is a presidential historian, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>also a great guest of this program. This day, on

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<v Speaker 1>any day, would be the perfect day to welcome in

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Frank M. Sorrentino. How are you on this glorious

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<v Speaker 1>President's day.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great. Can It's a pleasure to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know, what did we have to lump

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln and Washington together? We don't even know if these

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<v Speaker 1>two people liked each other, and now all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of getting two holidays, we get one.

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<v Speaker 2>How did that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's a matter of you could almost say,

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<v Speaker 3>adi situation where all the presidents are celebrated regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>their merit or demerit. Before we were able to distinguish

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<v Speaker 3>how Washington and Lincoln were outstanding. They had their flaws,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were outstanding. And to put them in with

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<v Speaker 3>James Buchanan, Woodrow Wilson, Joseph Biden, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's some judgment that needs to be presented here.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, this club should have exclusivity. But no, nevertheless, that's

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<v Speaker 1>our federal government at work. You know, I took some

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<v Speaker 1>time a doctor before this interview. I took some time

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<v Speaker 1>over the last few days to do a little research,

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<v Speaker 1>try to figure out who did what in their presidency

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<v Speaker 1>and why we should consider this president an outstanding president

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<v Speaker 1>and this president, you know, kind of a buffoon who

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<v Speaker 1>just for somehow, some way wound up in the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, by most accounts, the worst president in my

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime is the guy that just left office. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there's any question about it. Internationally. Domestically, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>even sure he was president. I think he was a

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<v Speaker 1>trojan horn. I think he arrived in Washington with a cabal.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was an anointment by in South Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>election year twenty twenty, James Clyburne, the congressman from South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>basically anointed Joe Biden as the candidate, and then COVID

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<v Speaker 1>and then Trump weariness, whatever you want to say. He

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<v Speaker 1>arrived as a trojan horse with all of these special

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<v Speaker 1>interest groups jumping out of his horse. He's the worst

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<v Speaker 1>by far in my lifetime. The worst by far that

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<v Speaker 1>I could figure out in the history of this country

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<v Speaker 1>was James Buchanan. I mean, this is the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>led this country, and it doesn't seem unwittingly led this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Into the Civil War. As a presidential historian, would you

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<v Speaker 1>rate James Buchanan the worst president in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>this country?

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that. Not only did he do nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>but he actually encouraged the divisions and the contact with

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<v Speaker 3>Roger Taney, who was the Chief Justice, in supporting the

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<v Speaker 3>Judge Scott decision, which was known to inflame the passions

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<v Speaker 3>in the South and the passions in the North. He

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<v Speaker 3>did more to polarize the nation than any other single

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<v Speaker 3>individual at that time. So not only did he not

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<v Speaker 3>do anything to alleviate to ameliorate, but he did the

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<v Speaker 3>exact opposite. So I think that prize does belong to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Others would say that perhaps Andrew Johnson, who followed Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln after Lincoln was murdered, might be the worst. He

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<v Speaker 1>was impeached, was acquitted by only one vote in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>But I give Andrew Johnson a little leeway. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this country was torn apart, The South was an absolute mess.

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<v Speaker 1>In some cases, it was reduced to rubble, and the

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<v Speaker 1>country had to be pieced back together again. I look

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<v Speaker 1>at Andrew Johnson kind of the same way I look

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<v Speaker 1>at Gerald Ford. Herided a presidency and there was really

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<v Speaker 1>a no win situation for either of those guys. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not quite sure that Andrew Johnson was the brightest bull

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<v Speaker 1>in the circuit. I think Ford was much brighter and

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<v Speaker 1>deserves much more credit than Andrew Johnson. But they were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in the same situation, weren't they.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, But I think it's worse than that that can

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<v Speaker 3>He was a Democrat on the ticket with Abraham Lincoln,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was Abraham Lincoln's great plan to unify the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And nobody ever thought of the vice presidency as a

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<v Speaker 3>important position, you know, we you know the notion it's

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<v Speaker 3>office not worth a bucket of warm spit. I am nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>but I could be everything. No one expected him, and

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<v Speaker 3>when he became president after Lincoln's assassination, he had no

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<v Speaker 3>political party to support him. Now, he was inebriated, perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>at the time of his inauguration as vice president, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe that there was part of his problem is inability

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<v Speaker 3>to deal effectively with the political class. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>in all senses he was way above his league. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a week always league, I should say, in terms of competition,

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<v Speaker 3>and no one would have ever taken him seriously if

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't for Lincoln would have counted on being assassinated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a big take.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure he never He never said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, today's a good day to die. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that didn't that didn't cross his mind. And actually

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<v Speaker 1>you could throw Harry Truman into that mix. Because FDR died,

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<v Speaker 1>Truman then was left with how to finish off World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two and left with the unenviable decision to drop

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons on Japan the first time that they had

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<v Speaker 1>been used. But Truman, I think was a much more

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<v Speaker 1>likable guy and somebody that went ahead and what his

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<v Speaker 1>own election. So I think I think Harry Truman, although

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<v Speaker 1>in a similar circumstance it was of the three, I

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<v Speaker 1>think was probably the best of the three.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you would you agree?

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<v Speaker 3>I think he also rose to the occasion. He was

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<v Speaker 3>basically selected because Franklin Roosevelt believed that Burns was too

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<v Speaker 3>far left and would not be able to settle the

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<v Speaker 3>issues at the post war. He kept Truman in the dark.

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<v Speaker 3>Truman didn't know any of the agreements that were made

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<v Speaker 3>with Churchill or Stalin. He didn't know anything about the

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<v Speaker 3>Manhattan Project. So Truman, despite that, maybe some crude aspects

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<v Speaker 3>of him and lack of education. He rose to the occasion,

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<v Speaker 3>and many people believe he was a quite effective president,

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<v Speaker 3>although I think there's some serious problems in his presidency.

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<v Speaker 3>We often talk about the Marshall Plan, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>great plan, the exact opposite of, let's say, what Woodrow

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson did at the end of World War One, although

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<v Speaker 3>he did have a stroke at that point. But the

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<v Speaker 3>Marshall Plan also allowed for a certain percentage of money

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<v Speaker 3>to go to intelligence and dirty tricks, and he got

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<v Speaker 3>himself involved in a situation which he said he would

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<v Speaker 3>never do because he was opposed to intelligence capacity, called

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<v Speaker 3>that the American Gestapo. And then when we find out

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<v Speaker 3>that we're involved in fixing elections in Italy, were involved

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<v Speaker 3>in France, were involved in Greece and Turkey, and then

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<v Speaker 3>of course the great tobacco of the Korean War, and

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<v Speaker 3>with Doublasmabatam. So I think he did show some greatness,

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<v Speaker 3>but at the same time, I don't think he could comprehend,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would have to say, in fairness, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure anybody could comprehend the complexities of the post World

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<v Speaker 3>War through period. He tried his best style.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I think he did, and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think history has been very good to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, you have Hoover.

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<v Speaker 1>The CBS did a ranking, and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the metrics were. You've got to be careful with this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff because most of it is mind candy by usually

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<v Speaker 1>some intern or some low level at these news organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>But in twenty twenty two they did a ranking of presidents.

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<v Speaker 2>They had Herbert Hoover the ninth worst.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that was the man who presided over the

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<v Speaker 1>Great market crash of twenty twenty nine. They had Reagan eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think the eighteenth best. I'm sorry, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan was low there. I think Reagan was perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>the country what he needed when the country needed it.

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<v Speaker 1>His presidency did not start off well. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that was the remnants of what Carter left him from

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<v Speaker 1>an economic standpoint, and true he was scandal ridden towards

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<v Speaker 1>the end, and during the middle he had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of his I mean, I remember this. You know, Ronald

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan is the hero of the Republican Party. But I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you want to go back and be

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<v Speaker 1>honest about it, during his presidency, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>people that work for him, wound up involved in scandals.

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<v Speaker 1>He always stayed above the fray because of his personality.

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<v Speaker 1>But Reagan, who did great work for this country and

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<v Speaker 1>getting its back on its feet from a morale standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't pure either, was he.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's a great expression, No man is a

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<v Speaker 3>hero to his butler. And when you look both anybody,

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<v Speaker 3>you find the flaws. And certainly Reagan had his flaws,

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<v Speaker 3>But we can't underestimate the brilliance, the spirit that he

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<v Speaker 3>was able to engender, the quiet dignity of his assassination attempt,

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<v Speaker 3>the steadfastness on defeating inflation and moving the economy growing

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<v Speaker 3>at five and six percent. Those were outstanding achievements, and

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<v Speaker 3>he did preside. Although people give him credit for ending

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<v Speaker 3>the Cold War, I think the Soviet Union collapsed more

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<v Speaker 3>than the United States won. But the fact that he

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<v Speaker 3>managed that, and as Gorbachrow was making adjustments, he changed

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<v Speaker 3>his rhetoric and tried to cooperate with a peaceful resolution

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<v Speaker 3>of a dying empire and what was to succeed in Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think on that basis, I think road Wagan

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<v Speaker 3>deserves very high marks. Now, Iran contrat is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the critical things and which I think it belies what's

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<v Speaker 3>really going on. Uh, they set up an intelligence operation

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<v Speaker 3>in which the CIA would buy they would set up

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<v Speaker 3>a corporation, and that corporation would buy defense equipment which

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<v Speaker 3>would then sell it to Iran, and then the profits

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<v Speaker 3>would go to Nicaragua fighting the U the Sandinistas. But

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<v Speaker 3>what that did was display that the financial ability of

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<v Speaker 3>the intelligence agency of the United States were somewhat independent

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<v Speaker 3>of congressional appropriations and authorization. Now that's not the first

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<v Speaker 3>time that happened. It happened in the Iron Triangle in

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<v Speaker 3>in Southeast Asia, that happened with the pop seeds in Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 3>it happened in South America where the CIA and his

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<v Speaker 3>attributed groups sometimes involved themselves in the sale of cocaine.

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<v Speaker 3>And that sale of cocaine was a very lucrative thing

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<v Speaker 3>which allowed the intelligence agencies to have far more money

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<v Speaker 3>than anybody anticipated without any controls. And that is not

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily Reagan's fault, although you would have hoped that he

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<v Speaker 3>would have been more on top of that. But that

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<v Speaker 3>goes back to Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and certainly makes

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<v Speaker 3>and we could go all the way through and find

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<v Speaker 3>that once we created the national security state, it became

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<v Speaker 1>We got about thirty seconds here doc This poll by

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<v Speaker 1>CBS said FDR the best president ever. I disagree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>of all of these presidents the forty seven? Now I

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<v Speaker 1>Of the forty of the forty of the forty six,

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<v Speaker 3>I am partial towards Lincoln. I mean sounds cliche, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was an extraordinary man, and people forget that while

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<v Speaker 3>he violated the Constitution, he was willing to be impeached

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<v Speaker 3>and suffer all the consequences to be a matyl on

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<v Speaker 3>the altar of democracy in American unity. His second inaugural address,

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<v Speaker 3>with malice towards none, is one of the great opportunities

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<v Speaker 3>nation to reconciliation, healing, and I think no one rhetorically

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<v Speaker 2>No, I agree, one hundred one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately the problem with history is that the farther

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<v Speaker 1>distant it becomes, and the voice has become more faint.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's up to people like you to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that that is kept alive. And that's why we love you,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Frank Sorrentino. We will do this again. Stay well

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<v Speaker 1>again if you want to get his book. And I

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<v Speaker 1>keep saying this, this is a great read. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>Presidential Power in the American political system. It is out

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<v Speaker 1>there right now, and it's a good study as to

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<v Speaker 1>along the way. Thank you, Doc, Stay well, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 3>Thank I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this CBS newspooll had FDR number one No. At

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan eighteenth best. They're short selling him. They had Biden

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<v Speaker 2>Did and why he got.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say the word on radio out of his

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<v Speaker 1>more holiday. Twelve twenty five News Radio seven hundred WLW

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<v Speaker 1>the average American in for the Great American Hiring rates

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<v Speaker 1>about that today. Also, dirtiest places on a plane. A

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<v Speaker 2>Hell out away from cold weather.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you're getting on a plane for spring break

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it may be, a spring break season is

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<v Speaker 1>Because planes are filthy, They just are. I mean maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the windows, trade tables, anyway, dirtiest places on a plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we get you get to where you're going, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is a shock, but there is

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<v Speaker 1>now a study that's out that too much screen time

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<v Speaker 1>hinders development in toddlers. How many times have you been

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<v Speaker 1>and start texting to other people. Too much screen time,

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<v Speaker 1>Getting back to presidents for a second again, I go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the CBS News poll. They say the worst

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<v Speaker 1>is Andrew Johnson, impeached acquitted by one vote. Then James

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<v Speaker 1>Buchanan led this country into the Civil War. Trump comes

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<v Speaker 1>next on the list. Now, yeah, this was done in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, when he was impeached twice, acquitted by

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<v Speaker 1>he was acquitted twice, and I would think most reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>They had Carter the twenty fourth best. Jimmy Carter was

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<v Speaker 1>a brilliant man. He was inept as a president. He

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't he couldn't deal with inflation, and internationally he led

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<v Speaker 1>us right into the hostage crisis in Iran. Could never, couldn't,

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't solve it. Now, he had the he had the

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<v Speaker 1>peace accords between Egypt and Israel. Okay, that's great, Camp

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<v Speaker 1>David Accord. What did that really lead to? Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>know now not much as we look at what that

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<v Speaker 1>area of the country is like right now, But at

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<v Speaker 1>the time it was hailed as a great piece of

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<v Speaker 1>international legislation and international success. And it was that Biden

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth best president in this poll in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty two, inflation was out of control. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, we were beginning to see what was

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<v Speaker 1>transpiring along the southern border. In twenty twenty two, we

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<v Speaker 1>you more about the political bent of CBS News than

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<v Speaker 1>whether Joe Biden was nineteenth best. I would think there

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<v Speaker 1>are people inside the Biden family that would not say

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Biden was the nineteenth best president in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and only one spot worse than Ronald Rigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think that's happening. FDR are and I was not

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<v Speaker 1>alive during FDR's presidency. I would doubt there are there's

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<v Speaker 1>when FDR was president.

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<v Speaker 2>He was He died in April of forty five. But

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<v Speaker 2>FDR was a bit of a dictator.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a four term president, and because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>legislation was enacted by Congress to limit presidents to two terms.

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<v Speaker 1>For a number of reasons, it was almost an imperial rule. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he was guiding us through World War Two, but the

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<v Speaker 1>attack on Pearl Harbor, if you believe what historians have written,

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<v Speaker 1>ineptness of the army and the Navy at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>directly under the rule of who yes, the commander in chief.

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<v Speaker 1>Socially he was a terrific president, but he was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a bit of a dictator, and Lincoln I

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<v Speaker 1>think was our best president. There's no question in my

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<v Speaker 1>mind about that. Washington would be very close because what

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<v Speaker 1>we are as a nation today is because of George Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not a democracy. If you hear anybody say

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<v Speaker 1>that this country is a democracy, they're obviously ill informed

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<v Speaker 1>or they're just trying to foster a narrative. We are

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<v Speaker 1>a republic. We are fifty states that make up one nation.

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<v Speaker 1>We are a republic. And Washington very easily back then

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<v Speaker 1>War Hero British defeated. There were those that wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>make George Washington king. People in this country, believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, wanted to make Kim king. And he said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>to have a monarchy. We're going to have a republic.

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<v Speaker 1>There were thirteen states in this case colonies, and they

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<v Speaker 2>Then we grew from there.

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<v Speaker 1>But without Washington saying that we might have had a

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<v Speaker 1>see how that's working out. Not real well, by the

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<v Speaker 1>way I found this out too. This was pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know in the history of our country there

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<v Speaker 1>was one president that was arrested while he was president.

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<v Speaker 1>One president the history of our country who was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>while he was president, and he guesses us Grant Ulysses Grant.

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<v Speaker 1>He was arrested for speeding in his horse and buggy

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy two. He had been arrested twice twice

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<v Speaker 1>before while he was commanding US horses, but in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two, when he was president, he was warned on

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<v Speaker 1>that it was the president of the United States. They

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<v Speaker 1>Further proceedings were not enforced anyway. That's my little president's

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<v Speaker 1>spiel on this President's Day. Here's something almost important fact.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is even more important. You feel a

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<v Speaker 1>just say I want to tackle the world. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what you should do. Get a dog. Get a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Pet ownership, unconditional love, trust and loyalty from a canine

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<v Speaker 1>companion not only is beneficial to your mental health, it

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<v Speaker 1>can help you lose weight, it can help you meet people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can help you make big decisions because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Get a dog. Now you got to take care of

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<v Speaker 1>the dog when you get the dog. But apparently we

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<v Speaker 1>now know after I wanted to make sure I've got

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even somebody that is tied to the canine world.

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<v Speaker 1>Gallup did this poll here in the last three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs are good for your health, mental and otherwise. You

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<v Speaker 1>know who knows that. My next guest, Lee Richardson, has

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<v Speaker 1>She is a psychologist, and she is part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Brain Performance Center where they study things in the mind,

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<v Speaker 2>Lee, how are you on this glorious day?

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<v Speaker 4>I am great, Ken, thanks for having me join you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm glad you're back here with us. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is I think interesting. We've suspected this about dogs all along,

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<v Speaker 1>that they just make people feel better, but there may

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<v Speaker 1>be something more than just I guess an anecdotal definition

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<v Speaker 1>of that. There's something going on here psychologically, isn't there?

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<v Speaker 4>There absolutely is, and you know it's really There's been

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<v Speaker 4>lots of studies done that look on about how dogs

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<v Speaker 4>can be used, you know, with service dogs with veterans

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<v Speaker 4>and how they have less PTSD in different ways. But

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<v Speaker 4>this they looked at just how a dog just being

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<v Speaker 4>or brush a dog really increase it increased beta ways

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<v Speaker 4>in your brain and that means it increases your attention

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<v Speaker 4>and concentration. And then they look at how taking the

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<v Speaker 4>a squeaky toy. Doesn't that sound like fun?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>It does me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a dog person.

424
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<v Speaker 1>I totally get what you're what you're talking about, but

425
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<v Speaker 1>it says it reduces blood pressure, lowers levels of the

426
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<v Speaker 1>stress hormone cortisol. I mean, there's been studies done on this,

427
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<v Speaker 1>so I'm not saying it's the only reason to get

428
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<v Speaker 1>a dog to make yourself feel better, but it's certainly

429
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<v Speaker 1>a compelling reason.

430
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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it absolutely is. And you know, when we get

431
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<v Speaker 4>stressed out, first thing that happens is our blood pressure

432
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<v Speaker 4>goes up. And with people with health blood pressure have

433
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<v Speaker 4>a lot higher heart attacks and strokes. So just you know,

434
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<v Speaker 4>you can look at the benefit of a dog on

435
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<v Speaker 4>a physiological basis, how it helps him improve your body state,

436
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<v Speaker 4>and then a psychological basis, because they found to know

437
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<v Speaker 4>that people just feeding the dogs, treat or hugging them

438
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<v Speaker 4>really improve people's mood and increase the positive emotions that

439
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<v Speaker 4>they have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess there was this research done in South

441
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<v Speaker 1>Korea from what I'm reading, that they attached electrodes, headsets

442
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<v Speaker 1>of headsets of electrodes to thirty adults and then man

443
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<v Speaker 1>measure their wave changes, their brain wave changes as they

444
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<v Speaker 1>interacted with a dog, and you know, the dog made

445
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<v Speaker 1>the people that were being surveyed feel more relaxed. Brushing

446
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.319
<v Speaker 1>the dog made the concentration and playing with her yield

447
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<v Speaker 1>both better effects. So it's interesting the relationship that the

448
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<v Speaker 1>human race has with dogs. I suppose we could trace

449
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<v Speaker 1>it back, you know, centuries to where it all began,

450
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<v Speaker 1>but it is something that has survived centuries. And maybe

451
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<v Speaker 1>this is a reason why I'm not saying other pets

452
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<v Speaker 1>come and go. Cats are still there, you know, fish

453
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<v Speaker 1>are still there, but just over the course of centuries,

454
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<v Speaker 1>it seems like that the relationship between a human and

455
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<v Speaker 1>a dog may be the strongest of all interactions that.

456
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<v Speaker 2>We have with animals.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, they say, evening, working in a dog's eyes,

458
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<v Speaker 4>will we release oxycotton, And that's a neurow transmitter that occurs,

459
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<v Speaker 4>and that's that feeling of love and trust. So there's

460
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<v Speaker 4>some kind of connection with a dog. I think it's

461
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<v Speaker 4>very different than a cat or a fish. I mean,

462
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<v Speaker 4>I know people that have horses and the way they

463
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<v Speaker 4>connect with those horses is incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been told by people and I don't have

466
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<v Speaker 1>a dog right now. Our our our dog died just

467
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<v Speaker 1>a little while ago, and we're just not ready but

468
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<v Speaker 1>we will be I think before long. But I've been

469
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<v Speaker 1>told by a lot of people, and I've experienced this too,

470
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<v Speaker 1>that a dog knows exactly how you feel, if you're

471
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<v Speaker 1>if you're not feeling well, the dog knows that. If

472
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<v Speaker 1>there's something that's horrible going on in your life, the

473
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<v Speaker 1>dog knows that. And it's it's interesting for an animal

474
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<v Speaker 1>that can't talk. It's certainly, uh, particularly specific breeds of

475
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<v Speaker 1>dogs are certainly very prescient when it comes to what

476
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<v Speaker 1>that particular dog owner is going through. It's it's it's

477
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<v Speaker 1>almost uncanny.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it not.

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<v Speaker 4>It is, And you know, it's amazing to me. I

480
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<v Speaker 4>can pull in the garage and I can open the

481
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<v Speaker 4>door to walk in the house and at least one

482
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<v Speaker 4>of the two will be standing.

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<v Speaker 6>You're like, oh, she's home.

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<v Speaker 4>She's home, you know, and that tails wagon like crazy

485
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<v Speaker 4>mean and what a great welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the less the less dog I had, she was wonderful.

488
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<v Speaker 1>She was a Cocker Spaniel, and she knew when I

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<v Speaker 1>came home and I work lates because I worked television news,

490
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<v Speaker 1>and so I would it would be after midnight and

491
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<v Speaker 1>I would shut the door of my car, and boy,

492
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<v Speaker 1>you could just hear you know, she's going she's at

493
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<v Speaker 1>the door and you could hear going crazy. But if

494
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<v Speaker 1>I opened the other door of the car to get

495
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<v Speaker 1>something out of the other front seat and shut the door,

496
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<v Speaker 1>she'd bark like something was going on. She didn't know

497
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<v Speaker 1>what was going on, but she knew something was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It No, no, no, I'm just getting someone out of

499
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<v Speaker 1>the front seat. And I just think they pick up

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<v Speaker 1>on just different things that are going on in your life. Now,

501
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<v Speaker 1>if someone's listening, you're not telling them just get a

502
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<v Speaker 1>dog to make you feel better, right, You're telling them

503
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<v Speaker 1>that if you have a dog, or if you're thinking

504
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<v Speaker 1>about getting a dog, then it might be something that

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<v Speaker 1>might be a selling point.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what we're saying here, right.

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<v Speaker 4>It is because people that do not you know, there

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<v Speaker 4>are people that have had bad experiences with animals, and

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<v Speaker 4>I doubt that if you've a bad experience with a dog,

510
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<v Speaker 4>I doubt getting a dog is going to improve your

511
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<v Speaker 4>stress levels and make you feel better. But if you're

512
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<v Speaker 4>thinking about it, or you've got one tap into that,

513
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<v Speaker 4>think about all that positive energy that you get from that. Pope.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are you a big rescue person? Rescue animal person.

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<v Speaker 4>And he must have hearted him my voice. The last

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<v Speaker 4>four has been rescued dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people may be reticent because

518
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<v Speaker 1>they don't know what the history of that dog is.

519
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<v Speaker 1>They might look, you know, or go look at a

520
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<v Speaker 1>rescue animal operation and they might see a four year

521
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<v Speaker 1>old whatever, pick a breed four year old retriever, and

522
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<v Speaker 1>they're not sure, you know what the history the dog is.

523
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<v Speaker 1>The dog might have been abused, the dog might have

524
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<v Speaker 1>been used for other things too, just besides being a

525
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<v Speaker 1>family pet. Is there a way to get around that,

526
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<v Speaker 1>even with the information you may get from the rescue operation,

527
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<v Speaker 1>how do you get around that? Just if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>little reticent about a rescue well, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think if you're a little there, that freight a lot

530
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<v Speaker 4>of the programs. You can foster the dog, you can

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<v Speaker 4>keep the dog for a period of time to be

532
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<v Speaker 4>sure the dogs would fit for you and your family,

533
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<v Speaker 4>and if not, you can return the dog. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that really it starts with you checking in with yourself

535
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<v Speaker 4>and asking yourself, are you really ready for a dog?

536
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<v Speaker 4>Because it doesn't matter whether it's to rescue or you know,

537
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.799
<v Speaker 4>the breeder dogs puppies are a lot of work. Yeah,

538
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<v Speaker 4>they require time commitment. You know, you said Kim was

539
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<v Speaker 4>just not ready for.

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<v Speaker 7>An out of dog yet, and you know that I know, yeah, yeah,

541
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<v Speaker 7>because there was an emotional attachment, and I don't want

542
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<v Speaker 7>to do something initially with the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>We would rescue. We're huge rescue folks. Well, I wouldn't

544
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<v Speaker 1>want to do something that I rush into and then

545
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<v Speaker 1>make the relationship with the dog not what it should be.

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<v Speaker 1>I know when I'm ready, and I know that there

547
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<v Speaker 1>will be plenty of options out there because there's so

548
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<v Speaker 1>many dogs that have been missing or god missing, or

549
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 1>ben abused or just dumped on the side of the

550
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<v Speaker 1>road or whatever it may be, that really need some

551
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.839
<v Speaker 1>home and attention, and the rescue folks, I think go

552
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<v Speaker 1>a long way in helping that dog transition from what

553
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<v Speaker 1>it was to where it might be going with a family.

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<v Speaker 1>I think those people do they do God's work when

555
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<v Speaker 1>you think about it. They do a very good job

556
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<v Speaker 1>in getting that transition period for the dog to the owner.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they do great work that way.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, ken, dog is God spelled backwards. When

559
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<v Speaker 4>you get God's work, I thought, yes, they do.

560
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wasn't quite that bright because I can spell

561
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<v Speaker 1>backwards his neck. But I was not really ready to

562
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<v Speaker 1>make you give me far too much creditly far too

563
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<v Speaker 1>much better.

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<v Speaker 2>So Lee Richardson, you of all.

565
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<v Speaker 1>Things of the mind, are saying that if you're thinking

566
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<v Speaker 1>about getting a dog, one of the things that can

567
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<v Speaker 1>really do is help you enjoy life just a little

568
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<v Speaker 1>bit more, don't We don't have a dog? All right, Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>always always great having you on the show. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for your time. Stay well, Thank you, Jim

571
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<v Speaker 1>you bet yep. If you want a best friend, get

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<v Speaker 1>yourself a dog. But you got to take care of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh twelve fifty four already straight ahead. Twenty two percent

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00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>of unemployed have been out of work for the last

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<v Speaker 1>six months, and the number appears to be going up.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're looking for a job, listen up. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're not, chances are you will be, so listen up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we want you to do. On seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, one O seven and welcome back seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WLW the Average American from the Great American. It's President's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you have the day off. I hope if

582
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<v Speaker 1>you do have the day off, you're doing something fun,

583
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<v Speaker 1>which is difficult. I know here at this time of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. I mean, my gosh, just seems like when

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00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 1>has just been endless up here and it is today.

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00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:08.079
<v Speaker 1>It's walk outside, it's feels like you're walking into a freezer. Nevertheless,

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00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.760
<v Speaker 1>we're warm and fuzzy inside here, and we want to

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<v Speaker 1>help you with something. We really do. The labor market

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00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:19.159
<v Speaker 1>webs ebbs and flows. Sometimes it's it's terrific for someone

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00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>seeking work. Other times it is not so great. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw this, it just jumped out at me.

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<v Speaker 1>USA today did a story, I want to say it

593
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<v Speaker 1>was maybe last week end of last week, and in

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<v Speaker 1>that story it reported that hiring rates are down and

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<v Speaker 1>that twenty two percent, so one quarter, basically, twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>percent of those who are unemployed in America have been

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<v Speaker 1>out of work for six months. And I've often said this,

598
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<v Speaker 1>I said it to my kids, I say to anybody

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00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 1>that will listen to me, the best way to look

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00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 1>for a job is if you already have a job.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're out of work and you're looking for a job,

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<v Speaker 1>it can seem that everything in life is just enveloping you.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you do that? How do you make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you're not a statistic that You're not someone

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00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that is caught up in the wash of being out

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<v Speaker 1>of work, not being able to find work, or certainly

607
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<v Speaker 1>not being able to find work in a profession that

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<v Speaker 1>you will like and will challenge you.

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<v Speaker 2>Aha.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why when it turns to a topic like this,

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<v Speaker 1>we dial up doctor Ivan Meisner. He is the author

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<v Speaker 1>of the Third Paradigm, A Radical Shift to Greater Success.

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<v Speaker 1>He is also the founder of b and I, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the world's largest largest business networking organization. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's going to help us here, doctor Eisner. Ivan,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to call you that, No, Doctor, I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>that the last time.

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<v Speaker 2>Ivan. How are you in this glorious day?

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<v Speaker 8>I am doing fantastic. It's a beautiful day out here

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<v Speaker 8>in Austin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, okay, that's enough of that. Okay, somebody left

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<v Speaker 1>the air conditioning on outside up here. But nevertheless, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and we hope you can help. Look, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you heard the intro, but it's

625
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>always better to look for work when I have a job.

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00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to be placed behind the eight ball

627
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.280
<v Speaker 1>where you're scrambling to get something to pay the bills.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I right? About that.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, you're You're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 8>And even if it's not looking for a job, it's

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<v Speaker 8>making the connections that will lead you to a job

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<v Speaker 8>when you need it. And so it's really about your

633
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<v Speaker 8>network and building a network and understanding that networking is

634
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<v Speaker 8>more about farming than it is about hunting. Then it's

635
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<v Speaker 8>about constantly cultivating relationships. And when you do that, you

636
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<v Speaker 8>can be in effect looking for a job without a

637
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.280
<v Speaker 8>directly looking for a job, because you're making these connections.

638
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<v Speaker 5>That will open the door for you down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people just drill down on

640
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the job they're doing, and they concentrate on the job

641
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>they have and this is what my task is, and

642
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do this, and then I'm going to

643
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>go get a beer or I'm going to go home,

644
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>or I'm going to do what and I'll come back

645
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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow and do the same thing all over again. Now,

646
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<v Speaker 1>in this day and age, networking inside your own building

647
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>should not be tough. But you got to get outside

648
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<v Speaker 1>the tent, right, You need to get outside of your

649
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>comfort area and not necessarily just put all time on tasks,

650
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.559
<v Speaker 1>but also put time on you. Easy to say, if

651
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>you're someone that is an extrovert or an ambervert. But

652
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<v Speaker 1>if you're an introvert, and a lot of these people

653
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<v Speaker 1>that are working today, particularly the younger generation, not used

654
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<v Speaker 1>in networking. They're used to interacting in one hundred and

655
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<v Speaker 1>forty two hundred and eighty characters. How do you get

656
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<v Speaker 1>from that to where you got to be?

657
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<v Speaker 8>Well, he hits a multi layered set of questions that

658
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 8>you've got there. Let's start with networking within your organization.

659
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 5>That's important.

660
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 8>You want to connect with people within your organization because

661
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<v Speaker 8>if you're looking for promotions, having a relationship with other

662
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 8>people in the organization will help you get that promotion.

663
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<v Speaker 8>But outside the organization, which you also mentioned, you can

664
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<v Speaker 8>join professional associations, business organizations, alumni associations, organizations that particularly

665
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<v Speaker 8>the professional associations that directly or indirectly relate to your profession.

666
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<v Speaker 8>So in a way, you're working, but you're not working.

667
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 8>You're working and you're building connections with people that can

668
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<v Speaker 8>lead you to job opportunities down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're I suppose you need to be thinking ahead

670
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<v Speaker 1>twelve eighteen months, a couple of years down the road.

671
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<v Speaker 1>You're not certainly trying to use people, but in a sense,

672
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<v Speaker 1>maybe you are, but it's not something that is a

673
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<v Speaker 1>one way use. You're trying to expand your base so

674
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<v Speaker 1>that when something does come up where maybe they're layoffs

675
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you've hit the end of the road as

676
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to what you're doing, it's not a scramble mode you

677
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>get into. I guess that's what you're saying here.

678
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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well, and you use a good term. He said,

679
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 8>you don't want to use people, which is correct. A

680
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<v Speaker 8>number of years ago I did a survey on networking.

681
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<v Speaker 8>We surveyed twelve thousand people, and we found that some

682
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<v Speaker 8>people tended to be very transactional, that is, they were

683
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<v Speaker 8>really just using the relationship, and other people were more

684
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<v Speaker 8>relational and the way they networked with people, And interestingly enough,

685
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<v Speaker 8>people who were relational actually did more business. These are

686
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<v Speaker 8>mostly salespeople. They actually generated more business than the people

687
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<v Speaker 8>who were transactional. And so you're on the right track.

688
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 8>You don't want to network just to be transactional. You

689
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<v Speaker 8>really truly want to be relational, and part of that

690
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<v Speaker 8>is looking for ways to help other people, because when

691
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<v Speaker 8>you help other people in some way, they're much more

692
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<v Speaker 8>likely to go out of their way to help you.

693
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<v Speaker 1>When you need it sure, and it may have a

694
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<v Speaker 1>residual effect with people that they know, Hey, Ivan, just

695
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<v Speaker 1>just help me find this job. Well, who's Ivan, Well,

696
00:40:58.199 --> 00:40:59.559
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you a little bit about him. And

697
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<v Speaker 1>then there are different ways to build all that stuff.

698
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<v Speaker 1>I guess the word is maybe leverage as opposed to

699
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<v Speaker 1>use would a leverage be a better word?

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<v Speaker 8>I would use the word relational, but leverage is certainly

701
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 8>an aspect of it. You want to leverage your contacts,

702
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.800
<v Speaker 8>but you do it in a relational way rather than

703
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<v Speaker 8>a transactional way.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the things that I.

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<v Speaker 8>Teach in networking is what I call a VCP process visibility, credibility, profitability.

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00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:32.920
<v Speaker 8>The first, you have to be visible. People have to

707
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:34.840
<v Speaker 8>know who you are and what you do. That's why

708
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.199
<v Speaker 8>joining associations is a good idea. That's why networking within

709
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:41.239
<v Speaker 8>your organization is a good idea. You have to create visibility.

710
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 8>The thing you have to create credibility. You have to

711
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 8>show that you know what you're doing. And one of

712
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.400
<v Speaker 8>the ways to do that outside your organization is to

713
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 8>volunteer to be, you know, on the leadership team, the

714
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.320
<v Speaker 8>vice chair or the chair, so people can see you

715
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 8>as a leader. And then you get to the profitability

716
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.960
<v Speaker 8>stage when you've got a relationship that's strong enough that

717
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.119
<v Speaker 8>somebody is going to say, yeah, let me refer you

718
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 8>to a job or you know, I know you're looking

719
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 8>for a different kind of role within the organization and

720
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<v Speaker 8>there's something coming up, let me tell you about it.

721
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<v Speaker 8>And and the VCP process is really the foundation of

722
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<v Speaker 8>effect of networking.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you get into the self cleansed cleansing process?

724
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Because online I didn't have to worry about online media.

725
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.159
<v Speaker 1>My goodness, when I was in the middle of what

726
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I've done for a living and there still wasn't an Internet.

727
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 1>It was just you know, a phone. But now you

728
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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of things. You have you have Twitter accounts,

729
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I G. Facebook, I mean, there are a lot of

730
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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of things out there. How how

731
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 1>often do you need to do a deep dive into

732
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the way you're projecting yourself to other people through these

733
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<v Speaker 1>social media platforms.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, again, there's a that's a very layered question. Let's

735
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 8>start with the way you're presenting yourself.

736
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<v Speaker 1>Are you telling tell me about my questions are too complex?

737
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Is that what you're trying to tell me around? And

738
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<v Speaker 2>do I need to work on which is fantastic.

739
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:06.760
<v Speaker 8>And the first piece of it is clean up your

740
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 8>social media. I mean, trust me, hr, when you're applying

741
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 8>for a job, they're going to your Facebook or Instagram,

742
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.679
<v Speaker 8>They're going to your social media platforms. They're looking at

743
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 8>what you're posting. And I remember, I haven't been directly

744
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 8>hiring people in some time.

745
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 5>Our company has grown to the point where I don't

746
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 5>need to do that.

747
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 8>But when I was hiring people, I would get on

748
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 8>their social media and you know, I remember once seeing

749
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 8>a person where they were throwing the F bomb out

750
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.920
<v Speaker 8>on social media. On every other post, they had really

751
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:45.000
<v Speaker 8>inappropriate photos of things and people, and I'm like, yeah,

752
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:48.000
<v Speaker 8>this is not a person. This is not a person

753
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 8>I want working in my company. And so clean up

754
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:55.639
<v Speaker 8>your social media. And you know, you can't unless you're

755
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 8>really trying to market something. You can't be on all platforms.

756
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 8>Find the platform or two or three that you think

757
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 8>are most important for looking for a job. LinkedIn's got to.

758
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:05.199
<v Speaker 5>Be one of them.

759
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, yeah.

760
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for the others, I leave that up to you.

761
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<v Speaker 8>For me, it's Facebook because most of my followers are

762
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.760
<v Speaker 8>you know, they're not teenagers, and so Facebook is where

763
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<v Speaker 8>I've got the overwhelming I've got like three hundred and

764
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 8>forty six thousand followers and Facebook. But LinkedIn is the

765
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.920
<v Speaker 8>social media site for looking for job opportunities.

766
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.679
<v Speaker 1>But is there any substitute understanding what you just said?

767
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Is there any substitute for in person eyeball to eyeball,

768
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>conversation to conversation a third dimension if you will too,

769
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.039
<v Speaker 1>all of this relationship process.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, the eyeball to eyeball is the best. Even LinkedIn

771
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 8>had a survey last year. It found that fifty percent,

772
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 8>fifty percent of all new hires did not come off

773
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 8>an advertisement, really came off of a referral from somebody.

774
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 8>And so if you really, you know, a lot of

775
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 8>us if we're looking for work, it's a long time

776
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.119
<v Speaker 8>since I had to look for work. But if we're

777
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 8>looking for work, we look at, you know, advertisements, and

778
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:13.880
<v Speaker 8>yet half of all jobs are got, they're gotten through referrals.

779
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<v Speaker 8>So working the relationships you have now, like you started

780
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 8>in this discussion, working relationships.

781
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.719
<v Speaker 5>Now can pay off down the road later.

782
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember a conversation you had, it's got to

783
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<v Speaker 1>be a couple of maybe three years ago, where we

784
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>were talking about how jobs were drying up that the

785
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:35.079
<v Speaker 1>pendulum had swung the other way, and you said something

786
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.800
<v Speaker 1>to the effect that forget about the number of unemployed.

787
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:43.039
<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's global, that's just that's out there. It

788
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>only matters for you. Don't worry about being a number

789
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.079
<v Speaker 1>or something. It only matters for you. And we're saying

790
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the same thing here right now. It doesn't matter, really

791
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and truly if twenty two percent I've been out of

792
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 1>work for six months, or whether or not there are

793
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty people lined up for this one job,

794
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:03.039
<v Speaker 1>and only matters for you and how you present yourself.

795
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was great advice.

796
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 5>Thanks. And here's a bit of advice.

797
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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if I shared it the last time,

798
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<v Speaker 8>but it's such an effective technique, especially at a little

799
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<v Speaker 8>more entry level roles.

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<v Speaker 5>Not managerial rules.

801
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 8>But say to the person you're doing the interview with,

802
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.639
<v Speaker 8>I'd be happy to do a working interview with your company.

803
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:24.840
<v Speaker 8>And most of the time people don't know what that is,

804
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 8>and they'll say, what is that.

805
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:28.599
<v Speaker 5>I'll come in for.

806
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.840
<v Speaker 8>The day, I'll come in for two, three days, whatever

807
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:33.639
<v Speaker 8>you'd like. Show me what it is that you need done.

808
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.239
<v Speaker 8>Let me show you what I can do and you

809
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.159
<v Speaker 8>don't have to pay me. I'll come in and I'll

810
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:41.320
<v Speaker 8>just show you what I can do. Now, honestly, most

811
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:43.400
<v Speaker 8>companies have to pay them, and so they probably will,

812
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 8>but you offer to do a working interview. Now, I

813
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.719
<v Speaker 8>have recommended this to a lot of young people, and

814
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.039
<v Speaker 8>many of them have gotten jobs this way, including my

815
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 8>daughter got her first job by saying, let me do a.

816
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 5>Working interview and then what's that? And then she did

817
00:46:58.239 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 5>the working interview and they hired her that night.

818
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<v Speaker 8>There's an evening thing where she had to take photographs

819
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 8>for some event and they hire her that night. So

820
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.559
<v Speaker 8>that's a great technique and you'll stand out with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, sure absolutely.

822
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<v Speaker 1>It shows obviously some initiative on your part and a

823
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:18.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of people would not even think

824
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:20.719
<v Speaker 1>to do something like that, and you probably would. I

825
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 1>mean sure, I mean you're gonna you'll pick up a

826
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>couple of bucks. But the important thing is is how

827
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you're projecting yourself and presenting yourself as somebody that can

828
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<v Speaker 1>help that company in a tangible way. Doctor Ivan Meisner's

829
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 1>our guest, and we're talking about out of work or

830
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.679
<v Speaker 1>looking for a new job, and it's the n word.

831
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.360
<v Speaker 1>It's networking, and there's no no expense for it. You

832
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 1>said something. I'm going back to other things too, because

833
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 1>you ought to be I pay attention to you, doctor.

834
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you do other interviews and guys

835
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<v Speaker 1>are out, you know they're cutting their nails or doing something.

836
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I pay attention. You said something else once where if

837
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<v Speaker 1>you if you meet somebody, let's say you get to

838
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.360
<v Speaker 1>a networking event, you go back to your hotel room

839
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it is, write down the name and write

840
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.000
<v Speaker 1>down something about that person, and then you can do

841
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<v Speaker 1>a follow up or even at the very least the

842
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>next time you meet that person. It's not like, yeah,

843
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.280
<v Speaker 1>what's your name, Fred Frank or something like that. Just

844
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>a little thing like that goes a long way in

845
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>making yourself stand out from other people.

846
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 5>Right it doesn't.

847
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 8>I recommend that you actually write something on the back

848
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.639
<v Speaker 8>of their card. Now the one very important thing culturally

849
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 8>that is a problem in Asian countries writing on the

850
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.000
<v Speaker 8>back of a card, so they don't want to do that.

851
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:29.880
<v Speaker 8>But in North America it's not a big deal. So

852
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 8>and you just say to somebody, oh, that's really interesting.

853
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:33.559
<v Speaker 8>You might I find make a note on the back

854
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.360
<v Speaker 8>of your card and they'll say yes, it's okay, and

855
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 8>then you'll remember who they are. Because if you go

856
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.639
<v Speaker 8>to a networking event, you meet five, ten, fifteen, twenty people,

857
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 8>I don't know about you, but I can't remember what

858
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 8>conversation I had with whom, and so having a notice

859
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 8>too in the back of the card really helps. Then

860
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 8>you want to do what you were saying, follow up.

861
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:55.400
<v Speaker 8>The best follow up system is what I call the

862
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.719
<v Speaker 8>twenty four to seven thirty follow up. Within twenty four hours,

863
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.159
<v Speaker 8>drop an email and say hey, it was great meeting you.

864
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 8>Within seven days, connect with them on the social media.

865
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:06.880
<v Speaker 8>So one of the things that you when you're talking

866
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.239
<v Speaker 8>to them is you ask them what's your favorite social

867
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 8>media platform, and whatever they tell you, connect with them there.

868
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.280
<v Speaker 8>And then within thirty days, set up an appointment to

869
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 8>meet with them, either by zoom or in person. And okay,

870
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.320
<v Speaker 8>don't sell to them all right, don't be asked. Just

871
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.800
<v Speaker 8>try to see if there are overlapping areas of interest

872
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 8>or anything that you can do for them, but meet

873
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:29.199
<v Speaker 8>with them after thirty days.

874
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 5>That's a great follow up system. Twenty four to seven thirty.

875
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess you refer to that as category or

876
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 1>categorize your contacts dormant, passive, active. The active would be

877
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>when you know the five alarm bell is going off

878
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.039
<v Speaker 1>and you're out of work or whatever. But the other

879
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:47.000
<v Speaker 1>two are just a way of and you just you

880
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 1>don't have to do it once you can keep that.

881
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 1>Or you see something that might catch your eye and okay,

882
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 1>well Joe might might be interested in listen. Just forwarded

883
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>to them and say, hey, I saw this. We were

884
00:49:58.000 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>talking about this when we met, and it just it's

885
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.119
<v Speaker 1>way to stay active in someone's mind without being intrusive.

886
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 1>I think you know, nobody wants to be ENTUSI, but

887
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 1>you want to stay in the presence of that person.

888
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

889
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 8>Nothing dissipates a relationship faster than benign neglect, where you

890
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.480
<v Speaker 8>just over time don't connect with somebody. I mean, we

891
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:19.639
<v Speaker 8>all have people that we went to high school with

892
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.599
<v Speaker 8>or college with that we liked, we were friends, but

893
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:26.360
<v Speaker 8>yet we lost touch with them because we didn't stay connected.

894
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.039
<v Speaker 8>And ironically, you know, just yesterday, I have somebody who

895
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 8>I've known for probably ten years, and he said, hey,

896
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 8>I haven't seen you in a long time. I'm in town.

897
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 8>You mind if I drop by? And so absolutely, and

898
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.840
<v Speaker 8>it's making those and I hadn't seen him in.

899
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:40.719
<v Speaker 5>Almost two years.

900
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 8>We talked in between ones, but it's that Stein, it's

901
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.480
<v Speaker 8>those touch points to keep the relationship going.

902
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 5>And by the way, I gave him a referral.

903
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 8>For he needed a client for something, a vendor for

904
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:56.599
<v Speaker 8>something he was doing, and I gave him a referral.

905
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:57.800
<v Speaker 5>I sent him the email today.

906
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.760
<v Speaker 8>So those kinds of contacts can lead to business, they

907
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.039
<v Speaker 8>can lead to jobs, they can lead tom many things.

908
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Stop by to see you in Austin. Did you take

909
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.280
<v Speaker 1>them to the hula Hut? Did you take them there?

910
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 8>I did not, But I have a really really nice

911
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 8>wine cellar, and we pulled out a nineteen year old

912
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 8>bottle Cabernet and a seventeen year old cabinet.

913
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Listen to you living the good life doctor.

914
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Your book is again the third paradigm, a radical shift

915
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to greater success. And you're available at Imandmeisner dot com

916
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.079
<v Speaker 1>and there you can get information on B and I,

917
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 1>which is the world's largest business networking organization.

918
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:36.760
<v Speaker 2>How big is it?

919
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 8>Oh, we now have eleven thousand, three hundred chapters and

920
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 8>seventy five countries around the world. Three hundred and thirty

921
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 8>five thousand members. Let me give you one quick statistic.

922
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:51.360
<v Speaker 8>We track how much business our members generate because we're

923
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 8>for a organization. In twenty twenty four, we generated twenty

924
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:59.039
<v Speaker 8>five billion with a B five billion dollars in what

925
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 8>we call thank you for business. That's business that our

926
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 8>members give each other. Now, just to put that in perspective,

927
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 8>there are actually one hundred countries countries in the world

928
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 8>based on the United Nations estimates of GDP, one hundred

929
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:14.599
<v Speaker 8>countries in the world with a lowered GDP in what

930
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.639
<v Speaker 8>our members generated for each other through this crazy thing

931
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:18.679
<v Speaker 8>called networking.

932
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Which in a sense is a very difficult thing to do,

933
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 1>but in a larger sense, all you have to do

934
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:27.320
<v Speaker 1>is take the first step and amazingly everything else kind

935
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:32.199
<v Speaker 1>of it is absolutely doctor. I always feel better I

936
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>have to talking to you. Not that I think I'm

937
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 1>going to be out of work, but who knows, you know,

938
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.760
<v Speaker 1>but I think anybody listening today maybe feels a little

939
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.239
<v Speaker 1>bit better as well. Stay well, we need to hear

940
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.159
<v Speaker 1>your voice. We need to hear your voice, all right, Ivan,

941
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 1>thank you anytime. Yeah, I mean, when you meet somebody,

942
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:50.840
<v Speaker 1>just acknowledge that you met them and who knows, And

943
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.559
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're not going to be stuck at a job

944
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 1>where you're you feel no purpose or no worth. I

945
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 1>mean to me, you only go through this one. This

946
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.360
<v Speaker 1>isn't a dress rehearsal right, I mean, this is it

947
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:05.400
<v Speaker 1>no follow up act. You might as well do something

948
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.400
<v Speaker 1>you like, meet somebody, follow it up, network it out,

949
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and meet people. The under thirty crowd has trouble with

950
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 1>this because it is it's it's all characters, it's all texting,

951
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 1>it's all Facebook and in and of itself, that's fine,

952
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 1>but nothing. There's no substitute for meeting people. Just a

953
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 1>thought from a guy shaking his hands at the clouds.

954
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:30.199
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

955
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.599
<v Speaker 1>It's the average American in for the Great American News

956
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Radio seven hundred WLW on news Radio seven hundred a WLW.

957
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I am ken Brew, the average American in for the

958
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Great American President's Day segs out today. No Studge Report.

959
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 1>What can I tell you? May Why can I tell

960
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you he's not here?

961
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm here. I'll tell you what's going on. It's sports. Nothing.

962
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.360
<v Speaker 1>The NBA All Star Game yesterday, it was like most

963
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.920
<v Speaker 1>of the NBA season is was unwatchable. It was just terrible.

964
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if that's the best they can do, they

965
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 1>should just not have an All Star game. It was

966
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just stupid. It really was just a

967
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.760
<v Speaker 1>stupid format they had, And I would much as bad

968
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.280
<v Speaker 1>as the NBA All Star games have been in recent

969
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:26.159
<v Speaker 1>years where the final score was something outrageous like one

970
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:30.280
<v Speaker 1>sixty two to one fifty eight, where there was absolutely

971
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 1>no defense. I would rather watch that than which than

972
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:37.159
<v Speaker 1>what I watched last night. And all the NBA players

973
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.400
<v Speaker 1>now are upset with Lebron James. Turns out he might

974
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:43.119
<v Speaker 1>have been the smartest guy in the room because he

975
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.840
<v Speaker 1>was a no show, pulled out of the game on

976
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:50.039
<v Speaker 1>only a few hours notice. The first anyone knew of

977
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.679
<v Speaker 1>james decision to sit out on the sidelines was what

978
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:55.159
<v Speaker 1>he mentioned he was not suiting up during the press

979
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.000
<v Speaker 1>availability just before the game. And so these players are

980
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:02.519
<v Speaker 1>upset not because Lebron wasn't out there doing whatever Lebron does.

981
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 1>It's that he took a spot from someone else. I

982
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:09.119
<v Speaker 1>would argue he saved somebody else from having to go

983
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:13.119
<v Speaker 1>out there last night. So everybody's upset with Lebron, which

984
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:17.840
<v Speaker 1>is nothing new. Hockey's got it right, man, with this

985
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.320
<v Speaker 1>four Nations Tournament. Tonight it's the USA against Sweden. The

986
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>game's meaningless because the USA is already in the finals

987
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.719
<v Speaker 1>on Thursday night. They're playing this next round in Boston.

988
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.719
<v Speaker 1>We'll find out later tonight who they face in the finals.

989
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 1>It will be either Finland or Canada. Finland and Canada play.

990
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:43.119
<v Speaker 1>They could get a rematch with Canada, a rematch of

991
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:47.199
<v Speaker 1>that game on Saturday night that had had three fights

992
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:50.599
<v Speaker 1>in the first nine seconds of the game.

993
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Here's what the call sounded like.

994
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:54.079
<v Speaker 5>This four.

995
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Underway and the gloves are on.

996
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 9>To Kachuck and Brandon Hegel.

997
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Kachuck brothers. What are they? Matthew and Brady?

998
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Is that what his name is?

999
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Apparently they had a chat going on earlier in the

1000
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 1>day with several other players as to what Canadian players

1001
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.119
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to get into a fight with and how

1002
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.119
<v Speaker 1>soon they wanted to do it, and they did it.

1003
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:25.920
<v Speaker 1>From the time the puck was dropped. It might have

1004
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.079
<v Speaker 1>had something to do with the national anthem and the

1005
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Canadians booing the American national anthem. It just might have

1006
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>been look, let's let's get a little excitement in life.

1007
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.199
<v Speaker 1>It was unbelievable. I said I'll tune in and I'll

1008
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 1>watch this. We'll see how interesting it is. Man, they

1009
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:40.840
<v Speaker 1>hadn't made for the rest of the game, and it

1010
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:42.000
<v Speaker 1>turned out to be a great game.

1011
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:47.119
<v Speaker 2>So maybe the maybe they can go to school on that.

1012
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>In the NBA Red's full squad reports to Goodyear today. Okay, great,

1013
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.360
<v Speaker 1>wake me up when it's opening day. We'll see we're

1014
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna we're getting the usual. Well, seashells and balloons out

1015
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 1>a good Year. About this guy looks great. Oh, he

1016
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:04.400
<v Speaker 1>looks fantastic.

1017
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 9>Oh.

1018
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see that, you know.

1019
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all of that is what you would expect at

1020
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:14.760
<v Speaker 1>this time of the year, except accept uh. Terry Francona

1021
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>comes with resume. The Reds haven't had a manager of

1022
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:24.719
<v Speaker 1>with this kind of gravatas since Dusty Baker. And you

1023
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>can say which one about Dusty Baker. The last time

1024
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:29.360
<v Speaker 1>this team was any good, Dusty Baker was the manager.

1025
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.920
<v Speaker 1>He comes with this kind of gravatas that Luke Panela had.

1026
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.679
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I'm excited. And that's why when I

1027
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:42.440
<v Speaker 1>hear the seashells and balloons out of Goodyear, I'm thinking

1028
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.239
<v Speaker 1>to myself, Well, there may be some truth to all

1029
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.440
<v Speaker 1>of that. I had Scott and Miller on with me

1030
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:49.480
<v Speaker 1>yesterday on Sunday Morning Sports Talk. He is a guy

1031
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.599
<v Speaker 1>who has written for a number of publications. He was

1032
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:56.039
<v Speaker 1>a beat writer, that means that's a newspaper writer that

1033
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.719
<v Speaker 1>works on a daily basis to cover the team in

1034
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:03.159
<v Speaker 1>San Diego, did that with the Padres, wrote for cbssports

1035
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.840
<v Speaker 1>dot Com. Now contributes to the New York Times, and

1036
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.400
<v Speaker 1>he has a book coming out in May called Skipper,

1037
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Why Baseball Managers Matter and.

1038
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Why they Always will.

1039
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And we got to talking about Terry Francona and how

1040
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I think not only will he make players accountable because

1041
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.519
<v Speaker 1>of his resume, you can look up what he's accomplished

1042
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 1>in his time.

1043
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not difficult to do.

1044
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.559
<v Speaker 1>But also because one of the things I think the

1045
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Reds will start being what they have not been in

1046
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.760
<v Speaker 1>recent years is a better team defensively, and you win

1047
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:41.199
<v Speaker 1>games not just by scoring runs, but by preventing runs

1048
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>run prevention. Here's what Miller had to say when I suggested.

1049
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:48.039
<v Speaker 9>That, Yeah, you make a great point. There ken no

1050
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:52.159
<v Speaker 9>doubt about it. And the thing with him is his

1051
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:56.719
<v Speaker 9>resume helps you know. I mean, if I'm whoever it

1052
00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 9>is if I'm Gavin Lutz, if I'm you know, high

1053
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 9>married Candelario, and I committed a couple of errors and

1054
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 9>maybe even mental errors, and the manager comes after me

1055
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.559
<v Speaker 9>and says, hey, we'll come out early tomorrow for betting practice.

1056
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:16.960
<v Speaker 9>We're going to clean that up. It's different coming from

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00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.320
<v Speaker 9>Kerry Francona than from some other managers, because I mean,

1058
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:24.000
<v Speaker 9>this is a guy that's managed David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez,

1059
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:27.320
<v Speaker 9>Dustin Pedroia. This is the guy that went to Cleveland

1060
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.360
<v Speaker 9>after Boston and yeah, I mean even before Boston Philadelphia

1061
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:35.559
<v Speaker 9>managed Kurt Shilling and you know, some other superstars, and

1062
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Speaker 9>and then he went to Cleveland and he, you know,

1063
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 9>pretty much turned water into wine quite often in Cleveland,

1064
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.679
<v Speaker 9>more often than he probably should have. So I mean

1065
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:50.960
<v Speaker 9>he's managed superstars, Pedro Martinez, uh, you know, on and

1066
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 9>on and on. So what he's been around, he's seen.

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00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:58.199
<v Speaker 9>I'm not gonna say he's seen at all, because I

1068
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 9>don't think anybody ever sees it all in this game,

1069
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.719
<v Speaker 9>you know, whether you're that's like they say, every day

1070
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:05.599
<v Speaker 9>you go to the ballpark, you have a chancey something new.

1071
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.840
<v Speaker 9>And you know, even guys like carry Francona see that,

1072
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:12.559
<v Speaker 9>but he sees so much and he relates to guys

1073
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:16.440
<v Speaker 9>as a player because he's never forgotten his own playing days.

1074
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 10>And that's one of the.

1075
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.880
<v Speaker 9>Keys to the way he builds relationships with his players

1076
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:23.719
<v Speaker 9>is you know, he understands the games hard.

1077
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 2>So I think when he to.

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<v Speaker 9>Your point, if he's going to clean up the defense,

1079
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.440
<v Speaker 9>got he's going to get through to guys because they're

1080
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 9>gonna see right away this guy gets us. He understands

1081
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 9>the games hard. Also he's got all the managing chaps

1082
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:42.159
<v Speaker 9>that I just laid out. This guy's different and well

1083
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.400
<v Speaker 9>we need to listen to him. And he's such a

1084
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:47.920
<v Speaker 9>personal guy too. Even when Francona gets on you, he's

1085
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:49.880
<v Speaker 9>got a great sense of humor and he can do

1086
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.519
<v Speaker 9>it in a way that maybe doesn't anger you or

1087
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:56.559
<v Speaker 9>make you a teed off. And then you listen to him.

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01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, well you would hope doesn't make up for any

1089
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 1>efficiencies you may have on your roster, but one would hope.

1090
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.360
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see first exhibition game of Saturday. You'll hear

1091
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:09.559
<v Speaker 1>it here on seven hundred at WLW. Today would be

1092
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a good day to get out of town. I mean,

1093
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.360
<v Speaker 1>it's and then more snow coming. So maybe you are

1094
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're going to get on an airplane and fly

1095
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:20.679
<v Speaker 1>somewhere warm. And when you get on that airplane, maybe

1096
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:22.719
<v Speaker 1>in a couple three weeks, when the kids have spring

1097
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:24.719
<v Speaker 1>break or whatever, you and mama just want to get

1098
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:26.679
<v Speaker 1>away for a while, you're going to get on in

1099
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:32.000
<v Speaker 1>an airplane that is going to be a Petri dish

1100
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:33.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen studies.

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01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.960
<v Speaker 2>So this has been a while by travel math.

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01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 1>It's I guess the best way for me to describe

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01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.920
<v Speaker 1>it as a search engine that answers data related questions

1104
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:44.119
<v Speaker 1>about travel.

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01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Would be the way I would describe it. Anyway.

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01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 1>It tests sampled hard surfaces and airplanes and found that

1107
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:56.880
<v Speaker 1>tray table services had eight times the amount of bacteria

1108
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:02.320
<v Speaker 1>per square inch than even the livey flush buttons. You

1109
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.320
<v Speaker 1>go into a laboratory on a plane. You're taking your

1110
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:09.719
<v Speaker 1>health in your hands. Anyway, they had these colonies forming

1111
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:13.960
<v Speaker 1>units of bacteria per square inch, and it was the

1112
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.320
<v Speaker 1>number was high. I mean, I'm not a doctor. I'm

1113
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:20.079
<v Speaker 1>not somebody that understands this. I just understand that when

1114
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the number's high, there's a problem. The bathroom sink had

1115
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the highest number of germs. The trade table was runner up.

1116
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.639
<v Speaker 1>So what do you do if you're traveling and you

1117
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 1>know that you want to get there in one piece, certainly,

1118
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and you also want to get there healthy?

1119
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.239
<v Speaker 2>What do you do? What do you do?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.639
<v Speaker 1>If you listen to the guy that's online too right

1122
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:44.239
<v Speaker 1>now that we're going to go to. His name is

1123
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Brandt in Sero. He works for the National Cleaning Fraternity. Yes,

1124
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:53.719
<v Speaker 1>they have a fraternity. It's called ISA, I SSA. I'm

1125
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:55.280
<v Speaker 1>guessing it's IS and maybe it's ISSA.

1126
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It probably is ISA because of ISO.

1127
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:02.679
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I had works for this group, and I

1128
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:05.440
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get on the radio here with me because

1129
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:06.559
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of people are going to be

1130
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.519
<v Speaker 1>getting out of town here very soon. And let's see

1131
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:11.239
<v Speaker 1>what he has to say. Bran, how are I on

1132
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 1>this glorious day?

1133
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<v Speaker 10>I am absolutely wonderful, and thank you for having me.

1134
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:18.719
<v Speaker 10>We shouldn't be spooked out about the germs on a plane,

1135
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:19.119
<v Speaker 10>should we?

1136
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:19.880
<v Speaker 2>No?

1137
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 1>No, I'd be more spooked out by snakes on a plane,

1138
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that movie that came out about fifteen years ago. That's

1139
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:27.519
<v Speaker 1>what I'm more concerned about. Our rooms on a plane,

1140
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:30.360
<v Speaker 1>or allows you pilot, but germs on a plane. It

1141
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:31.920
<v Speaker 1>seems to me if you take care of yourself in

1142
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.360
<v Speaker 1>a healthy manner when you're not flying, it shouldn't be

1143
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:35.559
<v Speaker 1>all that difficult when you fly.

1144
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.760
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you extinct, right, But let's just take a giant

1145
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:42.719
<v Speaker 10>step back, right, Let's think about how is this bacterial

1146
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.440
<v Speaker 10>bactery and viruses. How would they transmit it? There's really

1147
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:50.119
<v Speaker 10>two ways, right, It's airborne droplets as well as surface

1148
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.880
<v Speaker 10>transmission from things that people are touching. So just simple

1149
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.440
<v Speaker 10>awareness about this will help us.

1150
01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:57.679
<v Speaker 4>That's the first step.

1151
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:02.000
<v Speaker 10>You cannot avoid thickness undred percent, so it's a fact.

1152
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.119
<v Speaker 10>So we know how this stuff is transmitted. We know

1153
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:07.000
<v Speaker 10>that we can't avoid it one hundred percent. But what

1154
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:10.079
<v Speaker 10>we can do is break the pattern of transmission. And

1155
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.360
<v Speaker 10>that's the exciting thing. So when we think about this,

1156
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:16.239
<v Speaker 10>you know on the airplane, they come out of every

1157
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.679
<v Speaker 10>year with these studies of all the different surfaces and

1158
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:22.199
<v Speaker 10>the bacteria loads and what to avoid the reality is

1159
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.280
<v Speaker 10>just lower the quantity of things that you're touching on

1160
01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:27.440
<v Speaker 10>an airplane. And you know what, some of these airlines

1161
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.159
<v Speaker 10>they actually provide you disinfecting lights. Yeah, use them, They work.

1162
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that's true. I mean, well, there's some things

1163
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you can't avoid touching. One would be a seat belt.

1164
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have to do it. You have to

1165
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:40.280
<v Speaker 1>lock it up, So it would be wise, I guess

1166
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:43.519
<v Speaker 1>ahead of time to wipe that down with some sort

1167
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of disinfectant wipe. You don't have to touch your trade table,

1168
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:49.079
<v Speaker 1>you can leave it alone. You don't have to touch

1169
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the pocket in front of you where they have all

1170
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:51.880
<v Speaker 1>those cars and whatnot.

1171
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Just leave it alone.

1172
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.000
<v Speaker 1>You do have to touch the overhead ben I suppose

1173
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.039
<v Speaker 1>when you put your bags in there. But again, just

1174
01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.280
<v Speaker 1>wipe down your hands and I think there'll be You'll

1175
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.880
<v Speaker 1>be fine there. Most of this is common sense, is

1176
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:03.119
<v Speaker 1>it not?

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01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:07.559
<v Speaker 10>It is common sense, But we're creatures of habit. It's

1178
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.440
<v Speaker 10>muscle memory. So I travel a lot, and I honestly

1179
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.960
<v Speaker 10>follow the same exact path every single time I get

1180
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.760
<v Speaker 10>on a plane. I pick the same seat number, you know,

1181
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.760
<v Speaker 10>and I walk that same pattern every time. So I

1182
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.320
<v Speaker 10>absolutely will bring little travel hand sanitizers with me for

1183
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.679
<v Speaker 10>my hands. I'm using the disinfecting whites. But quite honestly,

1184
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:29.280
<v Speaker 10>all I'm doing is I'm making sure I go to

1185
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:30.840
<v Speaker 10>the bathroom before I get on a plane. So I

1186
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.880
<v Speaker 10>don't have to use the bathroom on the plane, which

1187
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.400
<v Speaker 10>is a big help because there's a lot of bacteria

1188
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:37.760
<v Speaker 10>in there. I tend not to use a tray table,

1189
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:39.880
<v Speaker 10>and if I do, I'm not touching it other than

1190
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:41.960
<v Speaker 10>just to drop it down and put my laptop on it.

1191
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.440
<v Speaker 10>And then you know, I also try to avoid the

1192
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.679
<v Speaker 10>seat buckle. It sounds crazy, the underneath part of the

1193
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.719
<v Speaker 10>latch because people reach their hand underneath the latch and

1194
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:53.840
<v Speaker 10>that's what's actually being touched, is your finger pats on

1195
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:56.719
<v Speaker 10>the underside. And then way ever cleans that part of it,

1196
01:05:56.920 --> 01:05:57.440
<v Speaker 10>they wipe the.

1197
01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:58.039
<v Speaker 5>Outside of it.

1198
01:05:58.119 --> 01:05:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the little spot.

1199
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, no, I mean, heck, you know even you know,

1200
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:06.519
<v Speaker 1>I travel a lot and never thought about that at all.

1201
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's phenomenal. What about the air inside

1202
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:12.159
<v Speaker 1>a plane, because I know during during COVID, when they'd

1203
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:14.480
<v Speaker 1>make their little speech before you would take off, it

1204
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:16.760
<v Speaker 1>was all the air is recycled in here. It's the

1205
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:19.360
<v Speaker 1>cleanest area you're going to inhale anywhere, even when you

1206
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:19.960
<v Speaker 1>get off the plane.

1207
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:20.480
<v Speaker 2>And this and that.

1208
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.559
<v Speaker 1>I know the air is recyl recircled, recirculated, and I

1209
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.599
<v Speaker 1>know it's filtered, but I mean, how much is it filtered?

1210
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:28.360
<v Speaker 1>And if you've got a half dozen people on the

1211
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:30.800
<v Speaker 1>plane that have the flu, is it really helping you

1212
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:31.480
<v Speaker 1>all that much?

1213
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.360
<v Speaker 10>You know, it absolutely does help, but again it doesn't

1214
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:38.880
<v Speaker 10>guarantee that you're safe one hundred percent. So I always

1215
01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:42.960
<v Speaker 10>recommend if anybody has underlying illnesses, you know, bring a

1216
01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.000
<v Speaker 10>mass just in case. If there's people that are starting

1217
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:47.960
<v Speaker 10>to cost needs, put it on. It's another layer of protection.

1218
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:52.639
<v Speaker 10>It may seem silly post pandemic, but those little things

1219
01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:54.639
<v Speaker 10>do work, all right.

1220
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:57.360
<v Speaker 1>So we got that, we got ourselves covered traveling on

1221
01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:59.079
<v Speaker 1>a plane. Now you get off a plane, then you

1222
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Speaker 1>get into a an uber or you get into a taxi.

1223
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess in New York and to be a taxi

1224
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:05.599
<v Speaker 1>and other towns are to be an uber. You get

1225
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:07.760
<v Speaker 1>it in an uber, what do you do? Because you're

1226
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.320
<v Speaker 1>not the first person in that car. It's generally somebody

1227
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:12.639
<v Speaker 1>else's car. So when you sit down inside of uber,

1228
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:13.119
<v Speaker 1>what do you do?

1229
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:16.320
<v Speaker 10>I mean, you're really doing the same exact things. You're

1230
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:18.480
<v Speaker 10>trying to limit how many times you're touching your face.

1231
01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:20.639
<v Speaker 10>So you want to limit how much you're touching your mouth,

1232
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:24.880
<v Speaker 10>your eyes, because that's where that bacterial or viral load

1233
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:27.719
<v Speaker 10>can enter in your body. People forget that we often

1234
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.880
<v Speaker 10>touch our face as a nervous habit. Again, the hand

1235
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:35.159
<v Speaker 10>sanitizer will help that. But you're getting somebody's personal vehicle.

1236
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:37.119
<v Speaker 10>I mean, there's no way to guarantee that they are

1237
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:40.840
<v Speaker 10>cleaning and disinfecting that vehicle after every single passenger, like

1238
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:41.840
<v Speaker 10>we did during COVID.

1239
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what about when you get to a hotel? I

1240
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:47.519
<v Speaker 1>remember hotels. Maybe they still do it. It's been a

1241
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:51.400
<v Speaker 1>while since I've stayed in a hotel. But they wouldn't

1242
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:53.400
<v Speaker 1>change the sheets every day so long as it was

1243
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the same people in the room. They wouldn't change the

1244
01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:58.039
<v Speaker 1>towels every day. You could request it, but you might

1245
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.599
<v Speaker 1>not get it. They were big about telling you how

1246
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:02.719
<v Speaker 1>much the room has been disinfected in this and that.

1247
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:05.239
<v Speaker 1>But you and I both know we've seen the horror

1248
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.519
<v Speaker 1>stories of what's on top of a comforter in a

1249
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.199
<v Speaker 1>hotel room, or what a bathroom looks like. I mean,

1250
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:11.440
<v Speaker 1>what do you do when you gets to a hotel,

1251
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and even a high high end hotel not necessarily Ed's

1252
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.720
<v Speaker 1>beds and do boys Pennsylvania. But let's just say you're

1253
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:19.720
<v Speaker 1>at a five star hotel somewhere, what do you do

1254
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:20.359
<v Speaker 1>when you check in?

1255
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:23.840
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's funny because I'm literally in my hotel room

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<v Speaker 10>right now as I'm traveling this week, and you know,

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<v Speaker 10>you made me just kind of look around my room

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<v Speaker 10>while I was sitting here. But you know, I always

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<v Speaker 10>go through a visual inspection, right, So there's a couple

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<v Speaker 10>of things. There's clean and there's disinfected. So as we

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<v Speaker 10>think about cleaning, it's the visible soil, dirt, debris on

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<v Speaker 10>a surface. So I look around, you know, is they're

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<v Speaker 10>leftover soil in the bathroom or on your bed first?

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<v Speaker 10>And if there is, I always request another room or

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<v Speaker 10>ask them to come clean it. But the reality is

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<v Speaker 10>they're back to the basics and they're understaffed at this point,

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<v Speaker 10>so they're trying to find ways to save on time

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<v Speaker 10>as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>So they actually.

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<v Speaker 10>Allow a lot of their travelers to opt in for

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<v Speaker 10>cleaning the room versus opting out. So when you you know,

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<v Speaker 10>you check in, if they ask you would you like

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<v Speaker 10>to have your room service? Oh, by the way, if

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<v Speaker 10>you don't have a service, there's an extra you know,

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<v Speaker 10>five thousand points have it serviced. It's important Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>we're really big advocates on technology at the association, so

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<v Speaker 10>ensuring that people are using things like electrostatics, prayers, they're

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<v Speaker 10>monitoring services and measuring the air. So it's really important

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<v Speaker 10>that technology is enabled in a lot of these facilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Brad and Service the senior director of Education, Training, Certification

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<v Speaker 1>Standards for i SSA. It's the leading trade association for

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<v Speaker 1>the cleaning industry worldwide. I'm just interested how do we

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<v Speaker 1>compare to Europe? You know, a lot of my friends

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<v Speaker 1>are going to go over to Europe a couple for

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays, some right after the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>By and large, are we a cleaner society when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to travel then, say, for example, those that live

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<v Speaker 1>and travel in the UK or Europe, places like that.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, here's what I can tell you is specific to

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<v Speaker 10>the cleaning industry. Technology and sustainability is far more advanced

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<v Speaker 10>in the European market. We are behind the times, but

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<v Speaker 10>we are catching up fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Well ahead how by cleaning, but with supplies or just

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<v Speaker 1>in dedication to cleaning.

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<v Speaker 10>It's actually both right, So they're actually they've been using,

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<v Speaker 10>as an example, microfiberclosts a lot longer than we have

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<v Speaker 10>in the United States. They are following more critical processes

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<v Speaker 10>to their cleaning in many of the countries in Europe,

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<v Speaker 10>they also have the appropriate labor to accomplish the tasks

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<v Speaker 10>at many locations, and they're also implementing robotics and IoT technology.

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<v Speaker 10>So from the supply side, they are more advanced. And

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<v Speaker 10>when we visit a lot of the conferences and trade

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<v Speaker 10>shows internationally, it's visible.

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<v Speaker 2>We can see that change.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I walked into a room and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>robot cleaning it. I'd run the hell out of the building.

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<v Speaker 1>I would day. You can see it right exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the robots not getting sick exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd wish you safe and healthy travel, but that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of redundant in the business you're in. But great stuff

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<v Speaker 1>with regards how the rest of us can get through

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays hopefully unscathed.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent and Serro.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find him at i s SA dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I s SA dot com. That's the International Trade Association,

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<v Speaker 1>the leading association for the cleaning industry, and it is worldwide. Brent,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. We'll talk down the road.

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<v Speaker 10>Thanks for having me a great day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you bet, or you could just invest in a

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<v Speaker 1>hazmat suit.

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<v Speaker 2>Could get to that news radio seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 1>All right back on the big one, the average America

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<v Speaker 1>and for the great American on this President's Day Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to have you with us wherever you are, however

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<v Speaker 1>you may be listening either through this great medium of

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<v Speaker 1>terrestrial radio or perhaps on the iHeart app.

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<v Speaker 2>We welcome you on in.

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<v Speaker 1>Some things in life are a surprise, and some things

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<v Speaker 1>in life you say yourself, you know, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>probably knew that. I think this falls into the ladder

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<v Speaker 1>for me, but my days of raising children are well

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<v Speaker 1>behind me. Screen time, you know, in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>television set or the computer, or now in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a tablet or a phone. Screen time can delay language

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<v Speaker 1>development in toddlers. That's not anecdotal anymore. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>study that supports that. In fact, this study says that

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<v Speaker 1>if your kid is spending too much time in front

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<v Speaker 1>of a screen, whatever device, it may be, unless time

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<v Speaker 1>interacting with Let me think you, as a parent, you

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<v Speaker 1>are not doing a good job of parenting your kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what the excuses are. You know, in

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<v Speaker 1>this day and age, everybody wants to have kids. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to have kids. I want to have a career,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to have kids. Well, that's all well and good.

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<v Speaker 1>The easiest thing about having a kid is literally conceiving

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. The hard work is raising the kid and

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<v Speaker 1>understanding that along the way he or she needs something

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<v Speaker 1>more than a device. Do you ever notice when you

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<v Speaker 1>go out to a restaurant you see a mom and

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<v Speaker 1>dad sitting there and the kids are there, and invariably

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<v Speaker 1>the kids got a device, and the kids sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>with his nose in the device doing what, playing what,

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<v Speaker 1>God knows what, and mom and dad are probably more

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<v Speaker 1>often than not, are on their own devices, going down

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<v Speaker 1>their doom scroll or wherever it may be. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a it's kind of a little entertainment

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<v Speaker 1>for me to go to a restaurant, see a family,

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<v Speaker 1>young families sit down and outcome the devices.

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<v Speaker 2>What's happened to us?

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody that must be wondering the same thing as standing

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<v Speaker 1>by to join us right now. Kelly Shoe is a

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<v Speaker 1>licensed pediacric occupational therapist. She's got twenty years of work

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<v Speaker 1>on that end, and by the way, is also a mom,

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<v Speaker 1>and she hosts a podcast. It's called making sense of parenting.

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<v Speaker 1>Who wouldn't want to do that? Let's welcome her in

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Shoe. How are you on this glorious Monday.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing great, Thank you? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good because I don't have any kids to raise,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can sit back and look at some of

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01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:34.680
<v Speaker 1>this stuff and wonder and laugh at some point, at

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<v Speaker 1>some points and then empathy for the kid. But did

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<v Speaker 1>you notice that when you go out, if you go

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<v Speaker 1>out to a restaurant, you see it, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>it absolutely baffles me. What's the point of going out

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<v Speaker 1>as a family if everybody has their own device out?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you understand that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's just the ease of pulling out a device.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's also parents not understanding, not intentionally realizing, that

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<v Speaker 6>they're harming their kids and that their kids need to

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<v Speaker 6>see social interaction. They need to practice speaking and talking

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<v Speaker 6>and using words and pronouncing words. They need to understand

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<v Speaker 6>nonverbal language, eye contacts, social cues, all of these things.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think parents don't really understand that they're missing

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<v Speaker 6>that opportunity at the restaurant to be helping their child

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<v Speaker 6>and helping their child get skills valuable critical skills that

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<v Speaker 6>the child's going to need later in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, and look, I get it. It's different today than

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<v Speaker 1>it was even ten years ago. Two income families. Mom works,

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<v Speaker 1>dad works out of the house. Kids may come home

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<v Speaker 1>no mom and dad, kids may come home to one parent.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a lot of it is is not

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<v Speaker 1>Ozzie and Harriet or modern family. It's different today than

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<v Speaker 1>what it was when I was a kid growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get that. But what I don't understand is

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to have a child, if you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a child, you have to understand the

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01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.079
<v Speaker 1>work that goes into it. And it's not just giving

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<v Speaker 1>the kids something to eat and putting clothes on his

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<v Speaker 1>back and making sure he gets off onto the school bus.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to raise the child. And I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times parents get home and they're exhausted and

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<v Speaker 1>all they want to do is either veg out or

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<v Speaker 1>do something that doesn't involve a child, which up until

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<v Speaker 1>about eighteen, it's a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of parents just don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>energy or the desire to do this. I know that's

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<v Speaker 1>a blanket. Yeah, that's overarching it. It's blanket but I

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01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:39.079
<v Speaker 1>just sense that it's a drain and they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything else. So here take this, well, I can just veg.

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<v Speaker 6>Out for a while, right, I think they don't understand

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01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:48.800
<v Speaker 6>the cost that it will have later. And so we

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<v Speaker 6>are seeing, you know, ten years ago the landscape look

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<v Speaker 6>very different, but now we see so many deficits and

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<v Speaker 6>deficiencies and difficulties with kids as they get older, right,

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<v Speaker 6>and so we need to be doing a better job

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<v Speaker 6>informing parents. So I have a little saying that I

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<v Speaker 6>will tell parents. I'm like, giving your child a device

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<v Speaker 6>now which is easy for you and keeps the house

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<v Speaker 6>clean and you don't have to interact with your child,

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<v Speaker 6>you are making it difficult for your child later. So

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<v Speaker 6>it will result in, you know, difficulties in school, difficulties

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<v Speaker 6>with friends, deficiencies, deficits that are showing up in strength

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<v Speaker 6>in coordination and handwriting skills and language skills, understanding friendships.

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<v Speaker 6>How do I navigate friendships as a third grader? If

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<v Speaker 6>all I've done is watch a device for second grade,

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<v Speaker 6>first grade, and you know the five years before that,

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<v Speaker 6>it's really sad and it's alarming, and we're seeing study

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<v Speaker 6>after studies show oh my goodness, kids aren't reading? Why

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<v Speaker 6>aren't they reading? Will they? In toddlerhood they need to

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<v Speaker 6>be practicing gibberish and saying words and changing how loud

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<v Speaker 6>they talk, how soft they talk. They need to ask

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<v Speaker 6>their parents why a thousand times over again why why? Developmentally,

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<v Speaker 6>they are in a stage of curiosity and learning and

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<v Speaker 6>they need it to be an active, engaged experience that

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<v Speaker 6>they're not watching passively on a screen.

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<v Speaker 1>That was always my favorite, the why questions. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it could get to be a little it could get

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<v Speaker 1>to be a bit much after a while, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have to understand there's the wheels are turning inside there

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<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to figure out why. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>not anecdotal. I mean, I'm looking at this study. Scientists

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<v Speaker 1>from over twenty nations did this this study and although

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<v Speaker 1>it was conducted in Latin America, about nineteen hundred kids

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<v Speaker 1>toddlers ages twelve to forty eight months. Even though it

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<v Speaker 1>was Latin America, kids are kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's a global problem. Yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>This is not This is not a US, This isn't

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<v Speaker 6>a you know, are continent. This is across the globe

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<v Speaker 6>because we all have access to these devices, and again

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<v Speaker 6>we don't understand that, you know, God created humans specific

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<v Speaker 6>developmental way they have windows. When they're learning is more intense,

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<v Speaker 6>and for little kids it's from eight under. They are

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<v Speaker 6>really there's a spunge. They're picking up everything. They're learning

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<v Speaker 6>so much and parents are thinking, well, I'm on my device,

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<v Speaker 6>that's fine, and I'll say, but you have a fully

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<v Speaker 6>formed brain and body at thirty years old. The four

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<v Speaker 6>year old does not. They don't have that ability with

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01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:45.359
<v Speaker 6>their brain. We're trying to form them in the right way,

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01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:48.239
<v Speaker 6>and it doesn't look like a device because a device

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01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:53.359
<v Speaker 6>is passive passive entertainment passive. You know, kids need to

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01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:58.479
<v Speaker 6>be active and moving using their senses, touching, tasting, smelling,

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01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:03.079
<v Speaker 6>all those things, because that builds their nervous system and

1468
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.039
<v Speaker 6>allows them to self regulate and allows them to be

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01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:10.199
<v Speaker 6>calm and focused when they're in middle school and math class.

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<v Speaker 6>All of that is starting with, you know, when they're

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01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:16.920
<v Speaker 6>three and four and two. All of that's important then

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01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:19.560
<v Speaker 6>for how they operate later.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, not just.

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01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Learning and developing skills, but also you mentioned this just

1475
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:28.560
<v Speaker 1>a while back, their social skills and how they interact

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01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:31.760
<v Speaker 1>with other kids, which is really important. You put a

1477
01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:34.239
<v Speaker 1>device in front of somebody, it's a passive thing. You know,

1478
01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:37.880
<v Speaker 1>they're absorbed in whatever is happening on that device, a game,

1479
01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.800
<v Speaker 1>a cartoon, whatever it may be. But it doesn't help

1480
01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:47.039
<v Speaker 1>develop how the child develops socially. And look, we've had

1481
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:49.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot of challenges thrown at us in the last

1482
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:52.520
<v Speaker 1>four or five years, particularly with you know, with COVID

1483
01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:56.319
<v Speaker 1>and isolation and things like that, and I'm not sure

1484
01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:59.479
<v Speaker 1>you want to add to that avalanche by shoving this

1485
01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.000
<v Speaker 1>device under a kid's nose. Okay, So we know it's

1486
01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:04.359
<v Speaker 1>a problem. If you're if you're a mom or dad

1487
01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:08.720
<v Speaker 1>that's listening right now, you're you're the parenting expert. What

1488
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:13.239
<v Speaker 1>needs to happen here short of taking the device away completely,

1489
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:16.279
<v Speaker 1>at which point, you know, I'm not sure that's the

1490
01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:18.279
<v Speaker 1>worst thing, that's the best thing in the world to do.

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01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.079
<v Speaker 2>So what are we doing here to make this right?

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01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:24.399
<v Speaker 6>Well, so I advise kind of middle of the road.

1493
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:26.800
<v Speaker 6>I mean, if you're extreme, you're going to say this

1494
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.119
<v Speaker 6>child can't be on any device until they're eighteen. But

1495
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:33.279
<v Speaker 6>that's not realistic and it's way too hard for parents

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01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:36.119
<v Speaker 6>to do. And so you know, if you have a

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01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:40.319
<v Speaker 6>kid who's under the age of eight. Okay, maybe twenty

1498
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:46.000
<v Speaker 6>minutes once a day, but just to understand that you

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01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:49.039
<v Speaker 6>need to be engaging with your child. You need to

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01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:51.439
<v Speaker 6>make eye contact with them, you need to be talking

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01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:54.000
<v Speaker 6>to them. They need to be watching you face to face.

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01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:58.800
<v Speaker 6>Form words say, sentences say words allow them to ask

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01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:00.720
<v Speaker 6>what was that? How do you say that?

1504
01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:01.000
<v Speaker 5>What?

1505
01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:04.560
<v Speaker 6>How do I pronounce that? Like all of these things

1506
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:10.680
<v Speaker 6>are so important, and just that the deficiencies are everywhere

1507
01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:12.760
<v Speaker 6>that we are seeing. So you've got to put the

1508
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:15.479
<v Speaker 6>time in now and if you will put the time

1509
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:19.920
<v Speaker 6>in now when they're little and also developmentally, they want

1510
01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:23.399
<v Speaker 6>to spend time with their parents. So thinking that you're

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01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:26.560
<v Speaker 6>going to go back and fix these deficits and deficiencies

1512
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:32.640
<v Speaker 6>and their social emotional ability, it's not going to happen

1513
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:36.439
<v Speaker 6>in the teenage years because that's when they're developmentally separating

1514
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:39.960
<v Speaker 6>from their parents leading for college. So you have to

1515
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:43.079
<v Speaker 6>catch it in the window when it was originally designed

1516
01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:45.680
<v Speaker 6>and it makes everything easier, got right.

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01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:49.159
<v Speaker 1>And look, you've got to be prepared for the child

1518
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to pitch a fit. It's going to happen, but the

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01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:54.079
<v Speaker 1>reason why the child's pitching a fit has nothing to

1520
01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:56.359
<v Speaker 1>do with the kid. It's what you've allowed to happen

1521
01:22:56.439 --> 01:22:58.840
<v Speaker 1>up to that point. It's of your making. Not only

1522
01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:01.359
<v Speaker 1>the child, but the suite situation is of your making.

1523
01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>So look, maybe the kid pitches a fit for a

1524
01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:08.279
<v Speaker 1>couple or three days, and then after that it's not

1525
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:10.279
<v Speaker 1>going to be all that it's not going to be

1526
01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>all that bad. You know, again, exceptions to every rule.

1527
01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:17.079
<v Speaker 1>But what I found is after there's a little bit

1528
01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:19.840
<v Speaker 1>of reasoning that goes on. And honestly, I think when

1529
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a child gets to be two two and a half,

1530
01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:27.680
<v Speaker 1>there's reasoning that's beginning to develop. Okay, if I do this,

1531
01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I get in trouble. If I do this, maybe I

1532
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:34.119
<v Speaker 1>get what I want. Here there's deal making that's beginning

1533
01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:36.439
<v Speaker 1>to form there. So you know, give it three or

1534
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:39.279
<v Speaker 1>four days, let the child get upset, and after that,

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01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>chances are you'll probably be okay with.

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01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:45.800
<v Speaker 6>This, right right, Yes, And I have many parents who

1537
01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:51.119
<v Speaker 6>will want my help in regard their kids are throwing tantrums,

1538
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:56.159
<v Speaker 6>they're having meltdown. Kids won't listen, they're defiant, and it's

1539
01:23:56.279 --> 01:24:01.720
<v Speaker 6>again regulating their emotions, feelings, their bodies. And so I'll

1540
01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:06.039
<v Speaker 6>suggest let's get away from all TV and all devices

1541
01:24:06.039 --> 01:24:08.840
<v Speaker 6>for a week, and the parents will come back and say, oh, yeah,

1542
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.319
<v Speaker 6>the first two or three days were brutal with the

1543
01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:15.239
<v Speaker 6>kid wanting the device, but after that they noticed such

1544
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:21.960
<v Speaker 6>an increase in good behavior, less meltdowns, less tantrums, n't

1545
01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:25.880
<v Speaker 6>able to control their own bodies and their feelings and

1546
01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.880
<v Speaker 6>their voice volumes and things like that. And we also

1547
01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:32.239
<v Speaker 6>have to realize that the makers of the kids shows

1548
01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:38.159
<v Speaker 6>and the apps, they're intentionally making them addictive. They're intentionally

1549
01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:42.319
<v Speaker 6>harming the very population that they're serving, which I have

1550
01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:46.359
<v Speaker 6>a huge problem with. Like they want more airtime for

1551
01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:50.159
<v Speaker 6>these little kids, who that's the opposite of what they need.

1552
01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:53.720
<v Speaker 6>They more need more outside time, more face to face time,

1553
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:56.159
<v Speaker 6>more active play.

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01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I I you can.

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01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>You know it's there, whether or not your kids watching

1556
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:07.239
<v Speaker 1>it or you're scrolling through it. You can see where

1557
01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of there's this addictive there. I can't remember

1558
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:14.239
<v Speaker 1>the cartoon maker, Oh my gosh, it's just scaming. But

1559
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:18.439
<v Speaker 1>the eye they the psychologists had figured out the eye

1560
01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:21.399
<v Speaker 1>movement of the characters mesmerized the kid.

1561
01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:22.760
<v Speaker 2>It was almost hypnotic.

1562
01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:26.279
<v Speaker 1>And you've got a as a parent, you've got to

1563
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:29.279
<v Speaker 1>understand that nothing happens by chance. When it comes to

1564
01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:32.199
<v Speaker 1>these things. There's a reason why it's happening. Okay, so

1565
01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I think we've got a solution here. It's just going

1566
01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:38.239
<v Speaker 1>to be tough. And your child's crying out for time

1567
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:40.560
<v Speaker 1>with you, right, Kelly, that's what he wants. He or

1568
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>she wants time with you.

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01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:43.560
<v Speaker 4>They may not know it exactly.

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01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>They may think that that whatever is on that screen

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01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:49.079
<v Speaker 1>as a substitute, but what they really want is time

1572
01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>with you. It's like it's like when a parent says

1573
01:25:52.079 --> 01:25:54.319
<v Speaker 1>later on they might have a teenager, oh, she's my

1574
01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:56.880
<v Speaker 1>best friend. Oh, they don't want a best friend, they

1575
01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>want a parent, and they just want.

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01:25:58.560 --> 01:25:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Somebody to pay attention to you.

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01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:00.479
<v Speaker 5>Yes.

1578
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:01.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:04.760
<v Speaker 6>They want to feel seen and heard and known, and

1580
01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:06.720
<v Speaker 6>they want to know that as the parent that you

1581
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:10.000
<v Speaker 6>can meet their needs. And it might look like I

1582
01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:15.119
<v Speaker 6>just need some conversation and some eye contact with you, mom.

1583
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:19.199
<v Speaker 6>But they also see parents who are modeling being on

1584
01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:23.680
<v Speaker 6>a device all the time. Absolutely, the kids are going, oh, well,

1585
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:26.079
<v Speaker 6>mom's on their device all the time, where's my device?

1586
01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:27.840
<v Speaker 2>So exactly? Its exactly.

1587
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:29.439
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's challenging.

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01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, there's no one size fits all. But

1589
01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the one thing I would say is at dinner time especially,

1590
01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:38.680
<v Speaker 1>nobody takes the device out. Just check them at the

1591
01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:40.720
<v Speaker 1>door or put them in a basket or something and

1592
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>then sit there and interact.

1593
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:44.520
<v Speaker 2>That's all you got to do, is very simple.

1594
01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:48.199
<v Speaker 6>What do we do and if it's your house, your rules.

1595
01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:50.039
<v Speaker 6>So I used to have a basket in my house

1596
01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:52.520
<v Speaker 6>that when my kids had friends over. Yeah, the phones

1597
01:26:52.520 --> 01:26:55.600
<v Speaker 6>all went in the basket. The laptop's never left, you know,

1598
01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:59.119
<v Speaker 6>public areas like again, you have to be the parent

1599
01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.239
<v Speaker 6>and your kids will follow suit if you enforce it.

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01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:06.079
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, making sense of parenting podcasts, I'm sure that's

1601
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>up there where every single podcast is Spotify, Apple and

1602
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>things like that.

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01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:11.560
<v Speaker 2>How often do you have episodes that come out.

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01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:17.119
<v Speaker 6>About every month that there's some episodes that they could

1605
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:20.079
<v Speaker 6>go and find on all these things that are already there?

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01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Good good And you're at Kelly shoot dot com K.

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01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:26.560
<v Speaker 6>E L O Y Kelly yeah with a middle initial.

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01:27:26.279 --> 01:27:30.880
<v Speaker 2>K Kelly K yeah okay, Kelly yeah there you are.

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01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good stuff, good ideas there. I think maybe you

1610
01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>might have nipped a problem in the bud for a

1611
01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of parents and stay, well, this was good stuff.

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01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Kelly Hope, we can do it again.

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01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:42.760
<v Speaker 6>Thank you so much.

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01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:48.479
<v Speaker 1>Okayye uh yeah. I mean it's just just do that.

1615
01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:51.039
<v Speaker 1>The next time you go out to dinner and just

1616
01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:55.319
<v Speaker 1>look around and if you see a family, you'll invariably

1617
01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:58.199
<v Speaker 1>see one. Everybody's got a device out. Kids got their

1618
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:00.920
<v Speaker 1>nose and a device. It's like, why did you have

1619
01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>kids in the first place. Two twenty six News Radio

1620
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW. The drums are beating because coming up

1621
01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:19.880
<v Speaker 1>today at three oh six, Dan Carroll is in flying solo.

1622
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:24.399
<v Speaker 1>He'll show that that plane doesn't need two people. At

1623
01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>three oh six he'll take off and land properly. Anyway,

1624
01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>he's in it for Rocky and Eddy today at three

1625
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>oh six, on this President's Day.

1626
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:36.880
<v Speaker 2>What's going on? What's going on? Oh?

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01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting I think at this point is tomorrow is

1628
01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:48.199
<v Speaker 1>the day that NFL teams can begin signing franchise tags

1629
01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:51.399
<v Speaker 1>or applying franchise tags to the players they don't want

1630
01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:54.119
<v Speaker 1>to lose to free agency. And I said this yesterday.

1631
01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:56.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say it again. The Bengals are going

1632
01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:59.439
<v Speaker 1>to do that to t Higgins and it has nothing

1633
01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>to do with their desire to work out a long

1634
01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:02.279
<v Speaker 1>term deal.

1635
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:04.279
<v Speaker 2>It's just a business procedure.

1636
01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they've told Higgins exactly what's going on and

1637
01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>that they are trying to work out a long term deal.

1638
01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.479
<v Speaker 1>This is just prudence on their part. If indeed things

1639
01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>blow up, and they quite possibly could, and Higgins goes

1640
01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>someplace else in free agency. By the way, the free

1641
01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>agent signing period is less than a month away. The

1642
01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>free agent signing period opens up on March twelfth. So

1643
01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>if it's March twelfth and T Higgins isn't signed here

1644
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati, he's gone. But I just think tomorrow is

1645
01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:40.439
<v Speaker 1>a bookkeeping procedure. That way, if he is gone, if

1646
01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>it blows up, they can get some sort of compensation

1647
01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>from the NFL in terms of draft picks.

1648
01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:45.399
<v Speaker 2>That's all it is.

1649
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So when that news breaks, don't go crazy. It's exactly

1650
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:51.199
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with him, and whether or not he

1651
01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:52.399
<v Speaker 1>stays here, we'll see.

1652
01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>We shall see.

1653
01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Here is something that is fact, more students are choosing

1654
01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>not to go to college. High school students choosing not

1655
01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:04.359
<v Speaker 1>to go to college. This is according to the National

1656
01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Student Clearinghouse. Enrollment in construction trade courses increased almost twenty percent.

1657
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Culinary programs twelve and a half percent, while enrollment increases

1658
01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:23.479
<v Speaker 1>in trade schools. Over All mechanics and whatnot increased eleven

1659
01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and a half percent year to year. Now, this study

1660
01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:29.039
<v Speaker 1>is a few years old, twenty twenty one to twenty twenty.

1661
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Two, but it applies now.

1662
01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Enrollment in two year colleges down eight percent, enrollment in

1663
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>four year colleges drop by three and a half percent.

1664
01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Why so, Well, because kids.

1665
01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Don't want to run up a lot of debt, or

1666
01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>their moms and dads don't and then have to get

1667
01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>out of college and try and find the job that

1668
01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:52.479
<v Speaker 1>may not pay as much as a trade would pay

1669
01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:56.039
<v Speaker 1>if they had gone to trade school. Standing by the

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<v Speaker 1>way in is Christina et. She is the director of

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01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Institute Improvement, that Scholar Shot. That's a company that helps

1672
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>at risk students earn degrees in high school and position

1673
01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>themselves for what they want to do later in life,

1674
01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:16.399
<v Speaker 1>whether it's college, whether it's trade school. And she's standing

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01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:18.520
<v Speaker 1>by the way in on this on this President's Day,

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01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Christina Eddie, how are you on this glorious day?

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01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:22.720
<v Speaker 11>I am doing great.

1678
01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:26.159
<v Speaker 1>I know this, you know this. If only anecdotally, we

1679
01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>don't need this survey. There are fewer kids going to

1680
01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>college and more going into trades because you can get

1681
01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>into a trade, learn a trade, and very quickly either

1682
01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>work for a large trade company or starts your own

1683
01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>trade company. The money is there where. Perhaps if you

1684
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:43.479
<v Speaker 1>go into a college, try to get a four year degree,

1685
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:47.279
<v Speaker 1>you may not even realize the debt you accrued for five, six, seven,

1686
01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:50.279
<v Speaker 1>ten years. So this is not surprising. It's not surprising

1687
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>to me. Was it surprising to you?

1688
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:57.279
<v Speaker 11>It's not surprising to me that more kids are opting

1689
01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:01.760
<v Speaker 11>out of four year university, more of them are going

1690
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:07.279
<v Speaker 11>to community college now than we've seen in several years,

1691
01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:12.479
<v Speaker 11>for that very reason. They are learning that hey, I

1692
01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:18.760
<v Speaker 11>can get an associate's degree, I can get a vocational certification,

1693
01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:23.000
<v Speaker 11>and I can go to work making substantially more than

1694
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:28.479
<v Speaker 11>just a living wage. And that really appeals to a

1695
01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:32.640
<v Speaker 11>lot of kids. And you know, I think for your

1696
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:35.760
<v Speaker 11>school have have their work cut out for them to

1697
01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:38.359
<v Speaker 11>you know, increase enrollment again.

1698
01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:42.199
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of these Christina are not four year schools.

1699
01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, the bad old days when I went to

1700
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:49.239
<v Speaker 1>my university, Ohio University neatly take away in the southeast

1701
01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>part of Ohio. It's widely considered the Harvard on the

1702
01:32:52.039 --> 01:32:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Hawking River. It's a little plug there for my school.

1703
01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:55.720
<v Speaker 5>But anyway, yeah, there you go.

1704
01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.039
<v Speaker 1>When I went. When I went, you could get a

1705
01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:00.359
<v Speaker 1>degree in four years. A lot a lot of these

1706
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>schools anymore, it's a chore to get it in for

1707
01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>almost impossible. And that's because most of these universities. I

1708
01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>don't want to castigate all of them, but most of

1709
01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:13.600
<v Speaker 1>them are nothing more than factories to generate money so

1710
01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>they can keep chugging along. And hey, if the caution

1711
01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>extra year tuition, well that's just the way it goes.

1712
01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>A lot of these universities are at the root of

1713
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:21.319
<v Speaker 1>the problem for.

1714
01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:25.520
<v Speaker 11>This, are they not, Well, I think it's it's definitely

1715
01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:31.399
<v Speaker 11>a factor. You know, universities, it's a business, and you know,

1716
01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:35.640
<v Speaker 11>it's one of those situations where students may not always

1717
01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:38.239
<v Speaker 11>be able to get the classes that they need in

1718
01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:42.720
<v Speaker 11>order to graduate when they need them, which then extends

1719
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:48.079
<v Speaker 11>right the time that students spend. Also, students tend to

1720
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.880
<v Speaker 11>change their minds a lot, you know, not many eighteen

1721
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:52.720
<v Speaker 11>or nineteen year olds know what they want to do

1722
01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:55.600
<v Speaker 11>for the rest of their life, and so they'll change

1723
01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:59.520
<v Speaker 11>majors several times. I mean, I know when I went

1724
01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:02.960
<v Speaker 11>to school many many, many many moons ago, back in

1725
01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:06.640
<v Speaker 11>the dinosaur ages, I think I changed my major three

1726
01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:11.760
<v Speaker 11>or four times. So it's kind of a combinationist thing.

1727
01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:16.079
<v Speaker 1>But again, these universities will offer courses, you know, they'll

1728
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:19.199
<v Speaker 1>run concurrent. I need to take this course to get

1729
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:21.159
<v Speaker 1>my degree. Oh wait a minute, I also have to

1730
01:34:21.199 --> 01:34:23.399
<v Speaker 1>take that course, but I can only take that. I

1731
01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>can't take that course because it's at the same time

1732
01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>as this other course. Well, that's where the trouble begins,

1733
01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's where the dollars start to run up. I

1734
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:35.479
<v Speaker 1>do think, oh absolutely, a lot of these places just

1735
01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>exist to churn money so they can get enough faculty

1736
01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:44.079
<v Speaker 1>paid and they can publish enough papers to self generate

1737
01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:47.039
<v Speaker 1>their interest at the expense of mom and dad or

1738
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:49.439
<v Speaker 1>whomever is paying for junior to go to that school.

1739
01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't want tons about this, but I think that exists.

1740
01:34:54.199 --> 01:34:57.600
<v Speaker 11>Oh absolutely, it exists, and that's one of the reasons

1741
01:34:57.640 --> 01:34:59.920
<v Speaker 11>why I think more families are starting to see the

1742
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:04.159
<v Speaker 11>value in community college or the trades.

1743
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:04.960
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

1744
01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:07.840
<v Speaker 11>You know, I think about how much we paid the

1745
01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:10.640
<v Speaker 11>plumber to come to our house a few months ago,

1746
01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:14.800
<v Speaker 11>and I kept joking that I was in the wrong

1747
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:19.920
<v Speaker 11>business because what he charged us was incredible. And you

1748
01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:25.079
<v Speaker 11>you have a workforce that is rapidly aging out. They're retiring,

1749
01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:29.920
<v Speaker 11>and we just don't have the young people to fill

1750
01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:32.800
<v Speaker 11>those those jobs, those careers.

1751
01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at, christine A.

1752
01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Costs for attending a two year community college fall in

1753
01:35:38.399 --> 01:35:42.079
<v Speaker 1>more than nine percent over the last decade. Whereas you

1754
01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>know there it used to be, they were there. Even

1755
01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:48.439
<v Speaker 1>a two year school was very, very difficult financially on

1756
01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people. But I do think that this,

1757
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:55.359
<v Speaker 1>I do think that this, this, this college Board survey

1758
01:35:55.640 --> 01:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>indicates that with tuitions coming down, uh, some of these

1759
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>universities are going to have to And this cites well,

1760
01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:06.840
<v Speaker 1>there are some private universities, but its cites a great

1761
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>deal of what state public universities are going through. And

1762
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.159
<v Speaker 1>some of these universities are going to have to tailor

1763
01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:17.159
<v Speaker 1>what they offer in terms of course selection because it

1764
01:36:17.199 --> 01:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>may not be in concert with what the real world

1765
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:23.079
<v Speaker 1>is looking for, and they're going to have to, I

1766
01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:24.720
<v Speaker 1>think tighten their belts a little bit.

1767
01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, the next thing may be layoffs.

1768
01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>If you know a lot of people going to your school,

1769
01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you're going to do one or two things to maintain

1770
01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:35.119
<v Speaker 1>your faculty size. You're either going to have to increase tuition,

1771
01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>which obviously are not or you're going to let some

1772
01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:39.720
<v Speaker 1>people go. So I think some of these state universities

1773
01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>are going to go through some hard times.

1774
01:36:41.680 --> 01:36:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Here in the next few well, and I agree.

1775
01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:48.399
<v Speaker 11>And I do think too that while tuition might be

1776
01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:52.399
<v Speaker 11>going down in general, the cost of living is still

1777
01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:55.399
<v Speaker 11>kind of rising. So we have to look at the

1778
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:59.720
<v Speaker 11>whole picture. It's the total cost of attendance for a

1779
01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:06.680
<v Speaker 11>university or community college versus just the tuition, and that's

1780
01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:09.479
<v Speaker 11>and that's really what gets people. While I may only

1781
01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:13.840
<v Speaker 11>pay eight or nine thousand dollars in tuition because it's

1782
01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:17.279
<v Speaker 11>gone down, I still have to pay for housing and

1783
01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:22.159
<v Speaker 11>food and transportation and the two pages of fees that

1784
01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:27.159
<v Speaker 11>most universities charge. So it's it's really the total cost.

1785
01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:31.159
<v Speaker 11>And I do think there needs to be some change

1786
01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:36.600
<v Speaker 11>as far as how we fund public universities and what

1787
01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:39.960
<v Speaker 11>people can afford. What is what are the jobs of

1788
01:37:40.039 --> 01:37:44.119
<v Speaker 11>the future? And you know, is every kid ready for

1789
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:45.359
<v Speaker 11>a four year university?

1790
01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:46.039
<v Speaker 5>Sure?

1791
01:37:46.600 --> 01:37:49.000
<v Speaker 11>You know there's a lot of questions, So there.

1792
01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Are, and I think those are the questions that are

1793
01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:53.399
<v Speaker 1>being asked by mom and dad, who's ever responsible for

1794
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:56.760
<v Speaker 1>junior when they're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old. I mean,

1795
01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:59.359
<v Speaker 1>there might be a lot of conversations like, hey, buddy,

1796
01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:01.279
<v Speaker 1>let's face it, you're not going to set the world

1797
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:04.079
<v Speaker 1>on fire with your grades. You're not the next Albert Einstein?

1798
01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Is this really what we want to do?

1799
01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you have someone? Now?

1800
01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:11.279
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that's going on here at Christina Etrian again,

1801
01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>we're chatting with Christina Etri. She's with Scholarshop, which is

1802
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a nonprofit dedicated to helping at risk students. We'll get

1803
01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:20.680
<v Speaker 1>into what that's all about in just a second. But

1804
01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the other thing too is it doesn't matter whether it's

1805
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:25.199
<v Speaker 1>nine thousand dollars a year or eleven thousand dollars a

1806
01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>year or whatever. Rare are the people that walk in

1807
01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to a university where the tuition is eleven twelve thousand

1808
01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>dollars a year and PLoP down twelve thousand dollars a

1809
01:38:35.359 --> 01:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>year and say educate my kid.

1810
01:38:37.239 --> 01:38:40.399
<v Speaker 2>A lot of parents exactly take loans out. What is

1811
01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the loan landscape?

1812
01:38:41.880 --> 01:38:45.119
<v Speaker 1>What does that look like both in terms of interest rates,

1813
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>loan forgiveness, Things like that because you know, you're dealing

1814
01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:53.159
<v Speaker 1>with banks, and you're dealing with the FED, and you're

1815
01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>dealing with loans that you know, fluctuate up and down.

1816
01:38:56.359 --> 01:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>What does that look like the financing.

1817
01:38:58.079 --> 01:38:58.439
<v Speaker 5>End of it.

1818
01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:03.760
<v Speaker 11>Financing end of it is often very complicated because there

1819
01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:06.479
<v Speaker 11>are a variety of different loans that people can take

1820
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:10.920
<v Speaker 11>out to pay for education. Interest rates are high, you know,

1821
01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:14.760
<v Speaker 11>six percent, seven percent, especially if you're if you're going

1822
01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:19.760
<v Speaker 11>to a private lender. But nationwide, I believe the last

1823
01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:24.439
<v Speaker 11>statistic loan balances were roughly twenty between twenty seven and

1824
01:39:24.479 --> 01:39:28.039
<v Speaker 11>thirty thousand dollars, which is still you know, I mean,

1825
01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:31.199
<v Speaker 11>that's an average, but now we're looking at the middle

1826
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:32.680
<v Speaker 11>fifty percent.

1827
01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, So.

1828
01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:38.920
<v Speaker 11>I think that people don't want to graduate with a

1829
01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:43.279
<v Speaker 11>lot of debt, and financing needs to change.

1830
01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Sure, let's just take twenty seven thousand dollars. You're graduating

1831
01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>with a debt at twenty seven thousand dollars and you

1832
01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:52.239
<v Speaker 1>start paying that loan back again. It's been a while,

1833
01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>But I think for me.

1834
01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:57.119
<v Speaker 8>It was like kay, one, yeah, it wasn't like, yeah.

1835
01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:58.479
<v Speaker 1>You know, get to we'll get back to you in

1836
01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>nine months. You know, here's here's a book, a pa,

1837
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:03.680
<v Speaker 1>here's a book. This is how long ago it was.

1838
01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Here's a booklet with a payment, you know, month by

1839
01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:09.560
<v Speaker 1>month and mail in the check. So, so you're graduating,

1840
01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and so you're thinking, Okay, I got to get a job.

1841
01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Well I don't have a job. Well I've got to

1842
01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>find a job, and I have to find a job

1843
01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that not only lets me eat and live and all that,

1844
01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:19.279
<v Speaker 1>but I also have to pay off this note. So

1845
01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:21.159
<v Speaker 1>a lot of you know, you have one or two choices.

1846
01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>You either you either pay it off or you don't.

1847
01:40:23.800 --> 01:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>In that case and your credit is ruined forever and

1848
01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:29.840
<v Speaker 1>it's difficult ye to get it back. So it's immediately

1849
01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:32.479
<v Speaker 1>you need it. And this goes back to our initial talk.

1850
01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Do you want a job that do you want to

1851
01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>go get an education that will get you a job

1852
01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:40.359
<v Speaker 1>that will pay off for you ten years down the road,

1853
01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:42.279
<v Speaker 1>or do you want to get a job that's going

1854
01:40:42.319 --> 01:40:45.399
<v Speaker 1>to pay you today when your bills are due today?

1855
01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:47.119
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's where we're at all of this,

1856
01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>aren't we?

1857
01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:52.560
<v Speaker 11>No, I completely agree. I mean I think back to

1858
01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:57.439
<v Speaker 11>when I graduated and my student loans, I had enormous,

1859
01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:01.760
<v Speaker 11>an enormous amount because I went to a private school.

1860
01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:05.079
<v Speaker 11>You know, it took me twenty plus years to finally

1861
01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:07.760
<v Speaker 11>pay it off, and a lot of that was really

1862
01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:11.000
<v Speaker 11>only because we had a second income that afforded me

1863
01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:15.720
<v Speaker 11>that opportunity to be aggressive about paying it. Not everybody's

1864
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:21.920
<v Speaker 11>in that situation. You know, it's it's really a balance,

1865
01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:23.760
<v Speaker 11>and I do think that there needs to be some

1866
01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:30.600
<v Speaker 11>change in how we finance higher education and what we

1867
01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:35.920
<v Speaker 11>expect as families and students young people, because they don't

1868
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:39.479
<v Speaker 11>have the same economic situation that we did twenty years ago,

1869
01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:42.640
<v Speaker 11>thirty years ago. It's much harder now, and you know,

1870
01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:44.479
<v Speaker 11>no fault of their own.

1871
01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:49.920
<v Speaker 1>No, but you know, unless they're a professional student, that

1872
01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:53.199
<v Speaker 1>just keeps you truly dead, which is what Joe Biden

1873
01:41:53.279 --> 01:41:56.359
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do. He wanted to, you know, just excuse

1874
01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>all these loans of people that were going for graduate

1875
01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>degrees that never really and you know, at the expense

1876
01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of people that didn't send their kids to college or

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<v Speaker 1>people actually pay their loan off. But you raise a

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<v Speaker 1>great point. I think there's I believe it's Linda McMahon

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to be his Secretary of Education. This is

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<v Speaker 1>this is an excellent opportunity to not just throw money

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<v Speaker 1>at a problem, which unfortunately what the outgoing administration wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To do, but fix the problem so that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. And I think that's what people want. They

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<v Speaker 2>want problems.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an excellent opportunity to fix what you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they do it. Yes, I hope they do it.

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<v Speaker 6>I do too.

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<v Speaker 11>I would love to see some real bipartisan solutions for

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<v Speaker 11>the real working families of this nation. We're begging for it,

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<v Speaker 11>right and it's it's not all just as sweep as

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<v Speaker 11>the pen and everything is forgiven, but but really really

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<v Speaker 11>looking at the root causes and then making those changes

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<v Speaker 11>and implementing you know, transition to whatever plan they can

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<v Speaker 11>come up with. I think it'll take both sides. It's

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<v Speaker 11>not just the one for all. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 11>think families need the help and kids need careers that

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<v Speaker 11>can sustain, you know, future generations.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Christina Christina Etree tell us about scholarship, so you

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<v Speaker 1>help at risk kids get ready for their lives, finding learning,

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<v Speaker 1>career ready vocational jobs with associated undergraduate degrees. So it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like it's a little bit of counseling and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a boost up for maybe some kids

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<v Speaker 1>that would not have the same opportunity as some others.

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<v Speaker 2>How do people get a hold of you?

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<v Speaker 11>So our organization students supply in their senior year. We

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<v Speaker 11>have certain criteria that they have to adhere to. They

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<v Speaker 11>need to be palgrant eligible, So we do look at

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<v Speaker 11>their financial situation. We you know, counsel them on whether

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<v Speaker 11>they should be making a two year start or if

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<v Speaker 11>they're ready for a four year start. We provide academic

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<v Speaker 11>advising and that's very customized to that student. We also

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<v Speaker 11>provide some financial support for the duration of their time

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<v Speaker 11>in their post secondary career, and you know, social and

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<v Speaker 11>emotional resources should they need it, we find we help

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<v Speaker 11>them find those resources. So we have a website scholarshot

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<v Speaker 11>dot org. People are welcome to check us out, scholars.

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<v Speaker 11>We're doing lots of great things.

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<v Speaker 1>Dot com scholarshot dot org. All right, Christina, this was

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff, and I thank you. You and I have

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<v Speaker 1>talked about over the last few minutes. Comes to fruition

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<v Speaker 1>because it looks like it's occasion as we know it

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<v Speaker 1>right now is changing and unless you change weather, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be left at the post.

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<v Speaker 2>Christina, stay well, We appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet, you bet. Yeah, you got to find a job.

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<v Speaker 1>That should be the number one goal of educate higher education.

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<v Speaker 1>Help the student find a job. That's what you're investing in.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it's not there at a four year school

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<v Speaker 1>or a two year school and you want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a trade school, look, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>jobs out there, a lot of jobs. Two point fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five already on this President's Day, News Radio seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WLW
