Speaker 1: All right, it is President's Day twenty twenty five. Remember
Speaker 1: in the good old days used to get Lincoln's birthday
Speaker 1: and Washington's birthday. It makes you wonder wherever they are
Speaker 1: in the great Beyond, if they're having a conversation right
Speaker 1: now saying what did we do wrong? How do we
Speaker 1: get lumped together? I didn't even like you, But yet
Speaker 1: that's what we have. We have President's Day to day
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five when we remember some of the great
Speaker 1: and some of the not so great presidents in the
Speaker 1: history of our country. By the way, it's the average
Speaker 1: American in for the great American. I'm glad wherever you
Speaker 1: are you've chosen to join us in police. Whoever left
Speaker 1: the air conditioning on outside? Could they turn it off?
Speaker 2: Place?
Speaker 1: We are not done with winter yet, but it is
Speaker 1: a day when we, you know, take time off. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how many people are reflecting on the great
Speaker 1: leaders this country has had, or even takes the time
Speaker 1: to figure out who's done, what went and to whom
Speaker 1: and why where they actually rank in the great list
Speaker 1: of effective presidents. But I know somebody who has, because
Speaker 1: he has authored a book called Presidential Power and the
Speaker 1: American political system. He is a presidential historian, and he's
Speaker 1: also a great guest of this program. This day, on
Speaker 1: any day, would be the perfect day to welcome in
Speaker 1: doctor Frank M. Sorrentino. How are you on this glorious
Speaker 1: President's day.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Can It's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1: You know, I know, what did we have to lump
Speaker 1: Lincoln and Washington together? We don't even know if these
Speaker 1: two people liked each other, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: instead of getting two holidays, we get one.
Speaker 2: How did that happen?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a matter of you could almost say,
Speaker 3: adi situation where all the presidents are celebrated regardless of
Speaker 3: their merit or demerit. Before we were able to distinguish
Speaker 3: how Washington and Lincoln were outstanding. They had their flaws,
Speaker 3: but they were outstanding. And to put them in with
Speaker 3: James Buchanan, Woodrow Wilson, Joseph Biden, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: there's some judgment that needs to be presented here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this club should have exclusivity. But no, nevertheless, that's
Speaker 1: our federal government at work. You know, I took some
Speaker 1: time a doctor before this interview. I took some time
Speaker 1: over the last few days to do a little research,
Speaker 1: try to figure out who did what in their presidency
Speaker 1: and why we should consider this president an outstanding president
Speaker 1: and this president, you know, kind of a buffoon who
Speaker 1: just for somehow, some way wound up in the White House.
Speaker 1: I think, by most accounts, the worst president in my
Speaker 1: lifetime is the guy that just left office. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any question about it. Internationally. Domestically, I'm not
Speaker 1: even sure he was president. I think he was a
Speaker 1: trojan horn. I think he arrived in Washington with a cabal.
Speaker 1: I think it was an anointment by in South Carolina
Speaker 1: election year twenty twenty, James Clyburne, the congressman from South Carolina,
Speaker 1: basically anointed Joe Biden as the candidate, and then COVID
Speaker 1: and then Trump weariness, whatever you want to say. He
Speaker 1: arrived as a trojan horse with all of these special
Speaker 1: interest groups jumping out of his horse. He's the worst
Speaker 1: by far in my lifetime. The worst by far that
Speaker 1: I could figure out in the history of this country
Speaker 1: was James Buchanan. I mean, this is the guy that
Speaker 1: led this country, and it doesn't seem unwittingly led this country.
Speaker 1: Into the Civil War. As a presidential historian, would you
Speaker 1: rate James Buchanan the worst president in the history of
Speaker 1: this country?
Speaker 3: I agree with that. Not only did he do nothing,
Speaker 3: but he actually encouraged the divisions and the contact with
Speaker 3: Roger Taney, who was the Chief Justice, in supporting the
Speaker 3: Judge Scott decision, which was known to inflame the passions
Speaker 3: in the South and the passions in the North. He
Speaker 3: did more to polarize the nation than any other single
Speaker 3: individual at that time. So not only did he not
Speaker 3: do anything to alleviate to ameliorate, but he did the
Speaker 3: exact opposite. So I think that prize does belong to him.
Speaker 1: Others would say that perhaps Andrew Johnson, who followed Abraham
Speaker 1: Lincoln after Lincoln was murdered, might be the worst. He
Speaker 1: was impeached, was acquitted by only one vote in the Senate.
Speaker 1: But I give Andrew Johnson a little leeway. I mean,
Speaker 1: this country was torn apart, The South was an absolute mess.
Speaker 1: In some cases, it was reduced to rubble, and the
Speaker 1: country had to be pieced back together again. I look
Speaker 1: at Andrew Johnson kind of the same way I look
Speaker 1: at Gerald Ford. Herided a presidency and there was really
Speaker 1: a no win situation for either of those guys. I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure that Andrew Johnson was the brightest bull
Speaker 1: in the circuit. I think Ford was much brighter and
Speaker 1: deserves much more credit than Andrew Johnson. But they were
Speaker 1: kind of in the same situation, weren't they.
Speaker 3: Yes, But I think it's worse than that that can
Speaker 3: He was a Democrat on the ticket with Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 3: and this was Abraham Lincoln's great plan to unify the country.
Speaker 3: And nobody ever thought of the vice presidency as a
Speaker 3: important position, you know, we you know the notion it's
Speaker 3: office not worth a bucket of warm spit. I am nothing,
Speaker 3: but I could be everything. No one expected him, and
Speaker 3: when he became president after Lincoln's assassination, he had no
Speaker 3: political party to support him. Now, he was inebriated, perhaps
Speaker 3: at the time of his inauguration as vice president, and
Speaker 3: maybe that there was part of his problem is inability
Speaker 3: to deal effectively with the political class. But I think
Speaker 3: in all senses he was way above his league. You know,
Speaker 3: a week always league, I should say, in terms of competition,
Speaker 3: and no one would have ever taken him seriously if
Speaker 3: it wasn't for Lincoln would have counted on being assassinated. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a big take.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure he never He never said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, today's a good day to die. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that didn't that didn't cross his mind. And actually
Speaker 1: you could throw Harry Truman into that mix. Because FDR died,
Speaker 1: Truman then was left with how to finish off World
Speaker 1: War Two and left with the unenviable decision to drop
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons on Japan the first time that they had
Speaker 1: been used. But Truman, I think was a much more
Speaker 1: likable guy and somebody that went ahead and what his
Speaker 1: own election. So I think I think Harry Truman, although
Speaker 1: in a similar circumstance it was of the three, I
Speaker 1: think was probably the best of the three.
Speaker 2: Would you would you agree?
Speaker 3: I think he also rose to the occasion. He was
Speaker 3: basically selected because Franklin Roosevelt believed that Burns was too
Speaker 3: far left and would not be able to settle the
Speaker 3: issues at the post war. He kept Truman in the dark.
Speaker 3: Truman didn't know any of the agreements that were made
Speaker 3: with Churchill or Stalin. He didn't know anything about the
Speaker 3: Manhattan Project. So Truman, despite that, maybe some crude aspects
Speaker 3: of him and lack of education. He rose to the occasion,
Speaker 3: and many people believe he was a quite effective president,
Speaker 3: although I think there's some serious problems in his presidency.
Speaker 3: We often talk about the Marshall Plan, which is a
Speaker 3: great plan, the exact opposite of, let's say, what Woodrow
Speaker 3: Wilson did at the end of World War One, although
Speaker 3: he did have a stroke at that point. But the
Speaker 3: Marshall Plan also allowed for a certain percentage of money
Speaker 3: to go to intelligence and dirty tricks, and he got
Speaker 3: himself involved in a situation which he said he would
Speaker 3: never do because he was opposed to intelligence capacity, called
Speaker 3: that the American Gestapo. And then when we find out
Speaker 3: that we're involved in fixing elections in Italy, were involved
Speaker 3: in France, were involved in Greece and Turkey, and then
Speaker 3: of course the great tobacco of the Korean War, and
Speaker 3: with Doublasmabatam. So I think he did show some greatness,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, I don't think he could comprehend,
Speaker 3: and I would have to say, in fairness, I'm not
Speaker 3: sure anybody could comprehend the complexities of the post World
Speaker 3: War through period. He tried his best style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think he did, and I think I
Speaker 1: think history has been very good to him.
Speaker 2: Of course, you have Hoover.
Speaker 1: The CBS did a ranking, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: the metrics were. You've got to be careful with this
Speaker 1: stuff because most of it is mind candy by usually
Speaker 1: some intern or some low level at these news organizations.
Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty two they did a ranking of presidents.
Speaker 2: They had Herbert Hoover the ninth worst.
Speaker 1: Of course, that was the man who presided over the
Speaker 1: Great market crash of twenty twenty nine. They had Reagan eighteenth,
Speaker 1: but I think the eighteenth best. I'm sorry, I think
Speaker 1: Reagan was low there. I think Reagan was perfect for
Speaker 1: the country what he needed when the country needed it.
Speaker 1: His presidency did not start off well. A lot of
Speaker 1: that was the remnants of what Carter left him from
Speaker 1: an economic standpoint, and true he was scandal ridden towards
Speaker 1: the end, and during the middle he had a lot
Speaker 1: of his I mean, I remember this. You know, Ronald
Speaker 1: Reagan is the hero of the Republican Party. But I
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to go back and be
Speaker 1: honest about it, during his presidency, a lot of the
Speaker 1: people that work for him, wound up involved in scandals.
Speaker 1: He always stayed above the fray because of his personality.
Speaker 1: But Reagan, who did great work for this country and
Speaker 1: getting its back on its feet from a morale standpoint,
Speaker 1: he wasn't pure either, was he.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a great expression, No man is a
Speaker 3: hero to his butler. And when you look both anybody,
Speaker 3: you find the flaws. And certainly Reagan had his flaws,
Speaker 3: But we can't underestimate the brilliance, the spirit that he
Speaker 3: was able to engender, the quiet dignity of his assassination attempt,
Speaker 3: the steadfastness on defeating inflation and moving the economy growing
Speaker 3: at five and six percent. Those were outstanding achievements, and
Speaker 3: he did preside. Although people give him credit for ending
Speaker 3: the Cold War, I think the Soviet Union collapsed more
Speaker 3: than the United States won. But the fact that he
Speaker 3: managed that, and as Gorbachrow was making adjustments, he changed
Speaker 3: his rhetoric and tried to cooperate with a peaceful resolution
Speaker 3: of a dying empire and what was to succeed in Russia.
Speaker 3: So I think on that basis, I think road Wagan
Speaker 3: deserves very high marks. Now, Iran contrat is one of
Speaker 3: the critical things and which I think it belies what's
Speaker 3: really going on. Uh, they set up an intelligence operation
Speaker 3: in which the CIA would buy they would set up
Speaker 3: a corporation, and that corporation would buy defense equipment which
Speaker 3: would then sell it to Iran, and then the profits
Speaker 3: would go to Nicaragua fighting the U the Sandinistas. But
Speaker 3: what that did was display that the financial ability of
Speaker 3: the intelligence agency of the United States were somewhat independent
Speaker 3: of congressional appropriations and authorization. Now that's not the first
Speaker 3: time that happened. It happened in the Iron Triangle in
Speaker 3: in Southeast Asia, that happened with the pop seeds in Afghanistan,
Speaker 3: it happened in South America where the CIA and his
Speaker 3: attributed groups sometimes involved themselves in the sale of cocaine.
Speaker 3: And that sale of cocaine was a very lucrative thing
Speaker 3: which allowed the intelligence agencies to have far more money
Speaker 3: than anybody anticipated without any controls. And that is not
Speaker 3: necessarily Reagan's fault, although you would have hoped that he
Speaker 3: would have been more on top of that. But that
Speaker 3: goes back to Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and certainly makes
Speaker 3: and we could go all the way through and find
Speaker 3: that once we created the national security state, it became
Speaker 3: less democratic and less accountable.
Speaker 1: We got about thirty seconds here doc This poll by
Speaker 1: CBS said FDR the best president ever. I disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I think socially he was a terrific president. But he
Speaker 1: was a socialist. He led us and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: it was unwittingly into World War Two. And he tried
Speaker 1: to pack the Supreme Court and thankfully was stopped by
Speaker 1: this by Congress. But would in your opinion, who was
Speaker 1: of all of these presidents the forty seven? Now I
Speaker 1: guess the forty six, because we have two Trump terms.
Speaker 1: Of the forty of the forty of the forty six,
Speaker 1: which which one do you think is the best?
Speaker 3: I am partial towards Lincoln. I mean sounds cliche, but
Speaker 3: he was an extraordinary man, and people forget that while
Speaker 3: he violated the Constitution, he was willing to be impeached
Speaker 3: and suffer all the consequences to be a matyl on
Speaker 3: the altar of democracy in American unity. His second inaugural address,
Speaker 3: with malice towards none, is one of the great opportunities
Speaker 3: of an American president to extend himself and extend the
Speaker 3: nation to reconciliation, healing, and I think no one rhetorically
Speaker 3: or intellectually surpasses Lincoln.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, one hundred one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately the problem with history is that the farther
Speaker 1: you get away from when history is made, the more
Speaker 1: distant it becomes, and the voice has become more faint.
Speaker 1: And it's up to people like you to make sure
Speaker 1: that that is kept alive. And that's why we love you,
Speaker 1: doctor Frank Sorrentino. We will do this again. Stay well
Speaker 1: again if you want to get his book. And I
Speaker 1: keep saying this, this is a great read. It's called
Speaker 1: Presidential Power in the American political system. It is out
Speaker 1: there right now, and it's a good study as to
Speaker 1: how we got here and the people had helped it
Speaker 1: along the way. Thank you, Doc, Stay well, we'll talk
Speaker 1: down the road.
Speaker 3: Thank I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this CBS newspooll had FDR number one No. At
Speaker 1: Reagan eighteenth best. They're short selling him. They had Biden
Speaker 1: nineteenth best. But of course this was in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two and Biden had not not yet wrecked havoc
Speaker 1: on the country. But I think for my money, the
Speaker 1: worst is Buchanan, and I would have to in I
Speaker 1: would have to go along with the doctor Sorrentino. You know,
Speaker 1: unless you were lived through that time, which none of
Speaker 1: us have, because everybody that did is gone. You can't
Speaker 1: fully appreciate what Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2: Did and why he got.
Speaker 1: I can't say the word on radio out of his
Speaker 1: own day. And you know what Georgia ought to feel
Speaker 1: that way too. Plus it would have given us one
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Speaker 1: Getting back to presidents for a second again, I go
Speaker 1: back to the CBS News poll. They say the worst
Speaker 1: is Andrew Johnson, impeached acquitted by one vote. Then James
Speaker 1: Buchanan led this country into the Civil War. Trump comes
Speaker 1: next on the list. Now, yeah, this was done in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, when he was impeached twice, acquitted by
Speaker 1: the way twice. Sometimes people say, well, he was impeached twice,
Speaker 1: he was acquitted twice, and I would think most reasonable
Speaker 1: people would say, if you look at why he was
Speaker 1: impeached both times in the first place, it was politically driven.
Speaker 1: They had Carter the twenty fourth best. Jimmy Carter was
Speaker 1: a brilliant man. He was inept as a president. He
Speaker 1: couldn't he couldn't deal with inflation, and internationally he led
Speaker 1: us right into the hostage crisis in Iran. Could never, couldn't,
Speaker 1: couldn't solve it. Now, he had the he had the
Speaker 1: peace accords between Egypt and Israel. Okay, that's great, Camp
Speaker 1: David Accord. What did that really lead to? Well, we
Speaker 1: know now not much as we look at what that
Speaker 1: area of the country is like right now, But at
Speaker 1: the time it was hailed as a great piece of
Speaker 1: international legislation and international success. And it was that Biden
Speaker 1: the nineteenth best president in this poll in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, inflation was out of control. In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, we were beginning to see what was
Speaker 1: transpiring along the southern border. In twenty twenty two, we
Speaker 1: had the botched pull out of Afghanistan. So probably tells
Speaker 1: you more about the political bent of CBS News than
Speaker 1: whether Joe Biden was nineteenth best. I would think there
Speaker 1: are people inside the Biden family that would not say
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden was the nineteenth best president in the
Speaker 1: United States and only one spot worse than Ronald Rigan.
Speaker 1: Don't think that's happening. FDR are and I was not
Speaker 1: alive during FDR's presidency. I would doubt there are there's
Speaker 1: anybody within the sound of my voice that was alive
Speaker 1: when FDR was president.
Speaker 2: He was He died in April of forty five. But
Speaker 2: FDR was a bit of a dictator.
Speaker 1: He was a four term president, and because of that,
Speaker 1: legislation was enacted by Congress to limit presidents to two terms.
Speaker 1: For a number of reasons, it was almost an imperial rule. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was guiding us through World War Two, but the
Speaker 1: attack on Pearl Harbor, if you believe what historians have written,
Speaker 1: a lot of that could be traced back to the
Speaker 1: ineptness of the army and the Navy at that time,
Speaker 1: directly under the rule of who yes, the commander in chief.
Speaker 1: Socially he was a terrific president, but he was a
Speaker 1: bit of a bit of a dictator, and Lincoln I
Speaker 1: think was our best president. There's no question in my
Speaker 1: mind about that. Washington would be very close because what
Speaker 1: we are as a nation today is because of George Washington.
Speaker 1: We are not a democracy. If you hear anybody say
Speaker 1: that this country is a democracy, they're obviously ill informed
Speaker 1: or they're just trying to foster a narrative. We are
Speaker 1: a republic. We are fifty states that make up one nation.
Speaker 1: We are a republic. And Washington very easily back then
Speaker 1: War Hero British defeated. There were those that wanted to
Speaker 1: make George Washington king. People in this country, believe it
Speaker 1: or not, wanted to make Kim king. And he said, no,
Speaker 1: that's what we just got done fighting. We're not going
Speaker 1: to have a monarchy. We're going to have a republic.
Speaker 1: There were thirteen states in this case colonies, and they
Speaker 1: made up one and.
Speaker 2: Then we grew from there.
Speaker 1: But without Washington saying that we might have had a
Speaker 1: monarchy like exists today in the United Kingdom. And all
Speaker 1: you need to do is look at what's going on
Speaker 1: in the UK, look what's going on in London to
Speaker 1: see how that's working out. Not real well, by the
Speaker 1: way I found this out too. This was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Do you know in the history of our country there
Speaker 1: was one president that was arrested while he was president.
Speaker 1: One president the history of our country who was arrested
Speaker 1: while he was president, and he guesses us Grant Ulysses Grant.
Speaker 1: He was arrested for speeding in his horse and buggy
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy two. He had been arrested twice twice
Speaker 1: before while he was commanding US horses, but in eighteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, when he was president, he was warned on
Speaker 1: one day and the next day the same cop caught
Speaker 1: him again speeding in his horse and buggy. Didn't care
Speaker 1: that it was the president of the United States. They
Speaker 1: hauled him into jail. He posted twenty dollars to get
Speaker 1: out a lot of money at that time, didn't show
Speaker 1: up in court the next day lost the twenty dollars.
Speaker 1: Further proceedings were not enforced anyway. That's my little president's
Speaker 1: spiel on this President's Day. Here's something almost important fact.
Speaker 1: I think this is even more important. You feel a
Speaker 1: little down, you feel in a little blue nothing getting
Speaker 1: up anymore. That makes you want to get out and
Speaker 1: just say I want to tackle the world. You know
Speaker 1: what you should do. Get a dog. Get a dog.
Speaker 1: Pet ownership, unconditional love, trust and loyalty from a canine
Speaker 1: companion not only is beneficial to your mental health, it
Speaker 1: can help you lose weight, it can help you meet people,
Speaker 1: and it can help you make big decisions because of that.
Speaker 1: Get a dog. Now you got to take care of
Speaker 1: the dog when you get the dog. But apparently we
Speaker 1: now know after I wanted to make sure I've got
Speaker 1: the right people that have done this survey.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: It's not even somebody that is tied to the canine world.
Speaker 1: Gallup did this poll here in the last three weeks.
Speaker 1: Dogs are good for your health, mental and otherwise. You
Speaker 1: know who knows that. My next guest, Lee Richardson, has
Speaker 1: been on the show a lot. She is a doctor.
Speaker 1: She is a psychologist, and she is part of the
Speaker 1: Brain Performance Center where they study things in the mind,
Speaker 1: so she would know about this.
Speaker 2: Lee, how are you on this glorious day?
Speaker 4: I am great, Ken, thanks for having me join you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you're back here with us. So this
Speaker 1: is I think interesting. We've suspected this about dogs all along,
Speaker 1: that they just make people feel better, but there may
Speaker 1: be something more than just I guess an anecdotal definition
Speaker 1: of that. There's something going on here psychologically, isn't there?
Speaker 4: There absolutely is, and you know it's really There's been
Speaker 4: lots of studies done that look on about how dogs
Speaker 4: can be used, you know, with service dogs with veterans
Speaker 4: and how they have less PTSD in different ways. But
Speaker 4: this they looked at just how a dog just being
Speaker 4: able to play with the dog, or massage a dog
Speaker 4: or brush a dog really increase it increased beta ways
Speaker 4: in your brain and that means it increases your attention
Speaker 4: and concentration. And then they look at how taking the
Speaker 4: dog for a walk in the park or playing with
Speaker 4: a squeaky toy. Doesn't that sound like fun?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It does me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a dog person.
Speaker 1: I totally get what you're what you're talking about, but
Speaker 1: it says it reduces blood pressure, lowers levels of the
Speaker 1: stress hormone cortisol. I mean, there's been studies done on this,
Speaker 1: so I'm not saying it's the only reason to get
Speaker 1: a dog to make yourself feel better, but it's certainly
Speaker 1: a compelling reason.
Speaker 4: Oh, it absolutely is. And you know, when we get
Speaker 4: stressed out, first thing that happens is our blood pressure
Speaker 4: goes up. And with people with health blood pressure have
Speaker 4: a lot higher heart attacks and strokes. So just you know,
Speaker 4: you can look at the benefit of a dog on
Speaker 4: a physiological basis, how it helps him improve your body state,
Speaker 4: and then a psychological basis, because they found to know
Speaker 4: that people just feeding the dogs, treat or hugging them
Speaker 4: really improve people's mood and increase the positive emotions that
Speaker 4: they have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess there was this research done in South
Speaker 1: Korea from what I'm reading, that they attached electrodes, headsets
Speaker 1: of headsets of electrodes to thirty adults and then man
Speaker 1: measure their wave changes, their brain wave changes as they
Speaker 1: interacted with a dog, and you know, the dog made
Speaker 1: the people that were being surveyed feel more relaxed. Brushing
Speaker 1: the dog made the concentration and playing with her yield
Speaker 1: both better effects. So it's interesting the relationship that the
Speaker 1: human race has with dogs. I suppose we could trace
Speaker 1: it back, you know, centuries to where it all began,
Speaker 1: but it is something that has survived centuries. And maybe
Speaker 1: this is a reason why I'm not saying other pets
Speaker 1: come and go. Cats are still there, you know, fish
Speaker 1: are still there, but just over the course of centuries,
Speaker 1: it seems like that the relationship between a human and
Speaker 1: a dog may be the strongest of all interactions that.
Speaker 2: We have with animals.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, they say, evening, working in a dog's eyes,
Speaker 4: will we release oxycotton, And that's a neurow transmitter that occurs,
Speaker 4: and that's that feeling of love and trust. So there's
Speaker 4: some kind of connection with a dog. I think it's
Speaker 4: very different than a cat or a fish. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know people that have horses and the way they
Speaker 4: connect with those horses is incredible.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been told by people and I don't have
Speaker 1: a dog right now. Our our our dog died just
Speaker 1: a little while ago, and we're just not ready but
Speaker 1: we will be I think before long. But I've been
Speaker 1: told by a lot of people, and I've experienced this too,
Speaker 1: that a dog knows exactly how you feel, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're not feeling well, the dog knows that. If
Speaker 1: there's something that's horrible going on in your life, the
Speaker 1: dog knows that. And it's it's interesting for an animal
Speaker 1: that can't talk. It's certainly, uh, particularly specific breeds of
Speaker 1: dogs are certainly very prescient when it comes to what
Speaker 1: that particular dog owner is going through. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: almost uncanny.
Speaker 3: Is it not.
Speaker 4: It is, And you know, it's amazing to me. I
Speaker 4: can pull in the garage and I can open the
Speaker 4: door to walk in the house and at least one
Speaker 4: of the two will be standing.
Speaker 6: You're like, oh, she's home.
Speaker 4: She's home, you know, and that tails wagon like crazy
Speaker 4: mean and what a great welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the less the less dog I had, she was wonderful.
Speaker 1: She was a Cocker Spaniel, and she knew when I
Speaker 1: came home and I work lates because I worked television news,
Speaker 1: and so I would it would be after midnight and
Speaker 1: I would shut the door of my car, and boy,
Speaker 1: you could just hear you know, she's going she's at
Speaker 1: the door and you could hear going crazy. But if
Speaker 1: I opened the other door of the car to get
Speaker 1: something out of the other front seat and shut the door,
Speaker 1: she'd bark like something was going on. She didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going on, but she knew something was going on.
Speaker 1: It No, no, no, I'm just getting someone out of
Speaker 1: the front seat. And I just think they pick up
Speaker 1: on just different things that are going on in your life. Now,
Speaker 1: if someone's listening, you're not telling them just get a
Speaker 1: dog to make you feel better, right, You're telling them
Speaker 1: that if you have a dog, or if you're thinking
Speaker 1: about getting a dog, then it might be something that
Speaker 1: might be a selling point.
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're saying here, right.
Speaker 4: It is because people that do not you know, there
Speaker 4: are people that have had bad experiences with animals, and
Speaker 4: I doubt that if you've a bad experience with a dog,
Speaker 4: I doubt getting a dog is going to improve your
Speaker 4: stress levels and make you feel better. But if you're
Speaker 4: thinking about it, or you've got one tap into that,
Speaker 4: think about all that positive energy that you get from that. Pope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you a big rescue person? Rescue animal person.
Speaker 4: And he must have hearted him my voice. The last
Speaker 4: four has been rescued dogs.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people may be reticent because
Speaker 1: they don't know what the history of that dog is.
Speaker 1: They might look, you know, or go look at a
Speaker 1: rescue animal operation and they might see a four year
Speaker 1: old whatever, pick a breed four year old retriever, and
Speaker 1: they're not sure, you know what the history the dog is.
Speaker 1: The dog might have been abused, the dog might have
Speaker 1: been used for other things too, just besides being a
Speaker 1: family pet. Is there a way to get around that,
Speaker 1: even with the information you may get from the rescue operation,
Speaker 1: how do you get around that? Just if you're a
Speaker 1: little reticent about a rescue well, I.
Speaker 4: Think if you're a little there, that freight a lot
Speaker 4: of the programs. You can foster the dog, you can
Speaker 4: keep the dog for a period of time to be
Speaker 4: sure the dogs would fit for you and your family,
Speaker 4: and if not, you can return the dog. I think
Speaker 4: that really it starts with you checking in with yourself
Speaker 4: and asking yourself, are you really ready for a dog?
Speaker 4: Because it doesn't matter whether it's to rescue or you know,
Speaker 4: the breeder dogs puppies are a lot of work. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they require time commitment. You know, you said Kim was
Speaker 4: just not ready for.
Speaker 7: An out of dog yet, and you know that I know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: because there was an emotional attachment, and I don't want
Speaker 7: to do something initially with the dog.
Speaker 1: We would rescue. We're huge rescue folks. Well, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to do something that I rush into and then
Speaker 1: make the relationship with the dog not what it should be.
Speaker 1: I know when I'm ready, and I know that there
Speaker 1: will be plenty of options out there because there's so
Speaker 1: many dogs that have been missing or god missing, or
Speaker 1: ben abused or just dumped on the side of the
Speaker 1: road or whatever it may be, that really need some
Speaker 1: home and attention, and the rescue folks, I think go
Speaker 1: a long way in helping that dog transition from what
Speaker 1: it was to where it might be going with a family.
Speaker 1: I think those people do they do God's work when
Speaker 1: you think about it. They do a very good job
Speaker 1: in getting that transition period for the dog to the owner.
Speaker 1: I think they do great work that way.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, ken, dog is God spelled backwards. When
Speaker 4: you get God's work, I thought, yes, they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't quite that bright because I can spell
Speaker 1: backwards his neck. But I was not really ready to
Speaker 1: make you give me far too much creditly far too
Speaker 1: much better.
Speaker 2: So Lee Richardson, you of all.
Speaker 1: Things of the mind, are saying that if you're thinking
Speaker 1: about getting a dog, one of the things that can
Speaker 1: really do is help you enjoy life just a little
Speaker 1: bit more, don't We don't have a dog? All right, Lee,
Speaker 1: always always great having you on the show. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for your time. Stay well, Thank you, Jim
Speaker 1: you bet yep. If you want a best friend, get
Speaker 1: yourself a dog. But you got to take care of it.
Speaker 1: Uh twelve fifty four already straight ahead. Twenty two percent
Speaker 1: of unemployed have been out of work for the last
Speaker 1: six months, and the number appears to be going up.
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a job, listen up. If
Speaker 1: you're not, chances are you will be, so listen up.
Speaker 1: That's what we want you to do. On seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: All right, one O seven and welcome back seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW the Average American from the Great American. It's President's Day.
Speaker 1: I hope you have the day off. I hope if
Speaker 1: you do have the day off, you're doing something fun,
Speaker 1: which is difficult. I know here at this time of
Speaker 1: the year. I mean, my gosh, just seems like when
Speaker 1: has just been endless up here and it is today.
Speaker 1: It's walk outside, it's feels like you're walking into a freezer. Nevertheless,
Speaker 1: we're warm and fuzzy inside here, and we want to
Speaker 1: help you with something. We really do. The labor market
Speaker 1: webs ebbs and flows. Sometimes it's it's terrific for someone
Speaker 1: seeking work. Other times it is not so great. And
Speaker 1: when I saw this, it just jumped out at me.
Speaker 1: USA today did a story, I want to say it
Speaker 1: was maybe last week end of last week, and in
Speaker 1: that story it reported that hiring rates are down and
Speaker 1: that twenty two percent, so one quarter, basically, twenty two
Speaker 1: percent of those who are unemployed in America have been
Speaker 1: out of work for six months. And I've often said this,
Speaker 1: I said it to my kids, I say to anybody
Speaker 1: that will listen to me, the best way to look
Speaker 1: for a job is if you already have a job.
Speaker 1: When you're out of work and you're looking for a job,
Speaker 1: it can seem that everything in life is just enveloping you.
Speaker 1: So how do you do that? How do you make
Speaker 1: sure that you're not a statistic that You're not someone
Speaker 1: that is caught up in the wash of being out
Speaker 1: of work, not being able to find work, or certainly
Speaker 1: not being able to find work in a profession that
Speaker 1: you will like and will challenge you.
Speaker 2: Aha.
Speaker 1: That's why when it turns to a topic like this,
Speaker 1: we dial up doctor Ivan Meisner. He is the author
Speaker 1: of the Third Paradigm, A Radical Shift to Greater Success.
Speaker 1: He is also the founder of b and I, which
Speaker 1: is the world's largest largest business networking organization. And I
Speaker 1: think he's going to help us here, doctor Eisner. Ivan,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to call you that, No, Doctor, I've learned
Speaker 1: that the last time.
Speaker 2: Ivan. How are you in this glorious day?
Speaker 8: I am doing fantastic. It's a beautiful day out here
Speaker 8: in Austin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, okay, that's enough of that. Okay, somebody left
Speaker 1: the air conditioning on outside up here. But nevertheless, welcome
Speaker 1: on it, and we hope you can help. Look, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard the intro, but it's
Speaker 1: always better to look for work when I have a job.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be placed behind the eight ball
Speaker 1: where you're scrambling to get something to pay the bills.
Speaker 2: Am I right? About that.
Speaker 5: Oh, you're You're absolutely right.
Speaker 8: And even if it's not looking for a job, it's
Speaker 8: making the connections that will lead you to a job
Speaker 8: when you need it. And so it's really about your
Speaker 8: network and building a network and understanding that networking is
Speaker 8: more about farming than it is about hunting. Then it's
Speaker 8: about constantly cultivating relationships. And when you do that, you
Speaker 8: can be in effect looking for a job without a
Speaker 8: directly looking for a job, because you're making these connections.
Speaker 5: That will open the door for you down the road.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people just drill down on
Speaker 1: the job they're doing, and they concentrate on the job
Speaker 1: they have and this is what my task is, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this, and then I'm going to
Speaker 1: go get a beer or I'm going to go home,
Speaker 1: or I'm going to do what and I'll come back
Speaker 1: tomorrow and do the same thing all over again. Now,
Speaker 1: in this day and age, networking inside your own building
Speaker 1: should not be tough. But you got to get outside
Speaker 1: the tent, right, You need to get outside of your
Speaker 1: comfort area and not necessarily just put all time on tasks,
Speaker 1: but also put time on you. Easy to say, if
Speaker 1: you're someone that is an extrovert or an ambervert. But
Speaker 1: if you're an introvert, and a lot of these people
Speaker 1: that are working today, particularly the younger generation, not used
Speaker 1: in networking. They're used to interacting in one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty two hundred and eighty characters. How do you get
Speaker 1: from that to where you got to be?
Speaker 8: Well, he hits a multi layered set of questions that
Speaker 8: you've got there. Let's start with networking within your organization.
Speaker 5: That's important.
Speaker 8: You want to connect with people within your organization because
Speaker 8: if you're looking for promotions, having a relationship with other
Speaker 8: people in the organization will help you get that promotion.
Speaker 8: But outside the organization, which you also mentioned, you can
Speaker 8: join professional associations, business organizations, alumni associations, organizations that particularly
Speaker 8: the professional associations that directly or indirectly relate to your profession.
Speaker 8: So in a way, you're working, but you're not working.
Speaker 8: You're working and you're building connections with people that can
Speaker 8: lead you to job opportunities down the road.
Speaker 1: So you're I suppose you need to be thinking ahead
Speaker 1: twelve eighteen months, a couple of years down the road.
Speaker 1: You're not certainly trying to use people, but in a sense,
Speaker 1: maybe you are, but it's not something that is a
Speaker 1: one way use. You're trying to expand your base so
Speaker 1: that when something does come up where maybe they're layoffs
Speaker 1: or maybe you've hit the end of the road as
Speaker 1: to what you're doing, it's not a scramble mode you
Speaker 1: get into. I guess that's what you're saying here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, and you use a good term. He said,
Speaker 8: you don't want to use people, which is correct. A
Speaker 8: number of years ago I did a survey on networking.
Speaker 8: We surveyed twelve thousand people, and we found that some
Speaker 8: people tended to be very transactional, that is, they were
Speaker 8: really just using the relationship, and other people were more
Speaker 8: relational and the way they networked with people, And interestingly enough,
Speaker 8: people who were relational actually did more business. These are
Speaker 8: mostly salespeople. They actually generated more business than the people
Speaker 8: who were transactional. And so you're on the right track.
Speaker 8: You don't want to network just to be transactional. You
Speaker 8: really truly want to be relational, and part of that
Speaker 8: is looking for ways to help other people, because when
Speaker 8: you help other people in some way, they're much more
Speaker 8: likely to go out of their way to help you.
Speaker 1: When you need it sure, and it may have a
Speaker 1: residual effect with people that they know, Hey, Ivan, just
Speaker 1: just help me find this job. Well, who's Ivan, Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you a little bit about him. And
Speaker 1: then there are different ways to build all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I guess the word is maybe leverage as opposed to
Speaker 1: use would a leverage be a better word?
Speaker 8: I would use the word relational, but leverage is certainly
Speaker 8: an aspect of it. You want to leverage your contacts,
Speaker 8: but you do it in a relational way rather than
Speaker 8: a transactional way.
Speaker 5: One of the things that I.
Speaker 8: Teach in networking is what I call a VCP process visibility, credibility, profitability.
Speaker 8: The first, you have to be visible. People have to
Speaker 8: know who you are and what you do. That's why
Speaker 8: joining associations is a good idea. That's why networking within
Speaker 8: your organization is a good idea. You have to create visibility.
Speaker 8: The thing you have to create credibility. You have to
Speaker 8: show that you know what you're doing. And one of
Speaker 8: the ways to do that outside your organization is to
Speaker 8: volunteer to be, you know, on the leadership team, the
Speaker 8: vice chair or the chair, so people can see you
Speaker 8: as a leader. And then you get to the profitability
Speaker 8: stage when you've got a relationship that's strong enough that
Speaker 8: somebody is going to say, yeah, let me refer you
Speaker 8: to a job or you know, I know you're looking
Speaker 8: for a different kind of role within the organization and
Speaker 8: there's something coming up, let me tell you about it.
Speaker 8: And and the VCP process is really the foundation of
Speaker 8: effect of networking.
Speaker 1: How do you get into the self cleansed cleansing process?
Speaker 1: Because online I didn't have to worry about online media.
Speaker 1: My goodness, when I was in the middle of what
Speaker 1: I've done for a living and there still wasn't an Internet.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, a phone. But now you
Speaker 1: have a lot of things. You have you have Twitter accounts,
Speaker 1: I G. Facebook, I mean, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things out there. How how
Speaker 1: often do you need to do a deep dive into
Speaker 1: the way you're projecting yourself to other people through these
Speaker 1: social media platforms.
Speaker 8: Well, again, there's a that's a very layered question. Let's
Speaker 8: start with the way you're presenting yourself.
Speaker 1: Are you telling tell me about my questions are too complex?
Speaker 2: Is that what you're trying to tell me around? And
Speaker 2: do I need to work on which is fantastic.
Speaker 8: And the first piece of it is clean up your
Speaker 8: social media. I mean, trust me, hr, when you're applying
Speaker 8: for a job, they're going to your Facebook or Instagram,
Speaker 8: They're going to your social media platforms. They're looking at
Speaker 8: what you're posting. And I remember, I haven't been directly
Speaker 8: hiring people in some time.
Speaker 5: Our company has grown to the point where I don't
Speaker 5: need to do that.
Speaker 8: But when I was hiring people, I would get on
Speaker 8: their social media and you know, I remember once seeing
Speaker 8: a person where they were throwing the F bomb out
Speaker 8: on social media. On every other post, they had really
Speaker 8: inappropriate photos of things and people, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 8: this is not a person. This is not a person
Speaker 8: I want working in my company. And so clean up
Speaker 8: your social media. And you know, you can't unless you're
Speaker 8: really trying to market something. You can't be on all platforms.
Speaker 8: Find the platform or two or three that you think
Speaker 8: are most important for looking for a job. LinkedIn's got to.
Speaker 5: Be one of them.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for the others, I leave that up to you.
Speaker 8: For me, it's Facebook because most of my followers are
Speaker 8: you know, they're not teenagers, and so Facebook is where
Speaker 8: I've got the overwhelming I've got like three hundred and
Speaker 8: forty six thousand followers and Facebook. But LinkedIn is the
Speaker 8: social media site for looking for job opportunities.
Speaker 1: But is there any substitute understanding what you just said?
Speaker 1: Is there any substitute for in person eyeball to eyeball,
Speaker 1: conversation to conversation a third dimension if you will too,
Speaker 1: all of this relationship process.
Speaker 8: Well, the eyeball to eyeball is the best. Even LinkedIn
Speaker 8: had a survey last year. It found that fifty percent,
Speaker 8: fifty percent of all new hires did not come off
Speaker 8: an advertisement, really came off of a referral from somebody.
Speaker 8: And so if you really, you know, a lot of
Speaker 8: us if we're looking for work, it's a long time
Speaker 8: since I had to look for work. But if we're
Speaker 8: looking for work, we look at, you know, advertisements, and
Speaker 8: yet half of all jobs are got, they're gotten through referrals.
Speaker 8: So working the relationships you have now, like you started
Speaker 8: in this discussion, working relationships.
Speaker 5: Now can pay off down the road later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember a conversation you had, it's got to
Speaker 1: be a couple of maybe three years ago, where we
Speaker 1: were talking about how jobs were drying up that the
Speaker 1: pendulum had swung the other way, and you said something
Speaker 1: to the effect that forget about the number of unemployed.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's global, that's just that's out there. It
Speaker 1: only matters for you. Don't worry about being a number
Speaker 1: or something. It only matters for you. And we're saying
Speaker 1: the same thing here right now. It doesn't matter, really
Speaker 1: and truly if twenty two percent I've been out of
Speaker 1: work for six months, or whether or not there are
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty people lined up for this one job,
Speaker 1: and only matters for you and how you present yourself.
Speaker 1: I thought that was great advice.
Speaker 5: Thanks. And here's a bit of advice.
Speaker 8: I don't know if I shared it the last time,
Speaker 8: but it's such an effective technique, especially at a little
Speaker 8: more entry level roles.
Speaker 5: Not managerial rules.
Speaker 8: But say to the person you're doing the interview with,
Speaker 8: I'd be happy to do a working interview with your company.
Speaker 8: And most of the time people don't know what that is,
Speaker 8: and they'll say, what is that.
Speaker 5: I'll come in for.
Speaker 8: The day, I'll come in for two, three days, whatever
Speaker 8: you'd like. Show me what it is that you need done.
Speaker 8: Let me show you what I can do and you
Speaker 8: don't have to pay me. I'll come in and I'll
Speaker 8: just show you what I can do. Now, honestly, most
Speaker 8: companies have to pay them, and so they probably will,
Speaker 8: but you offer to do a working interview. Now, I
Speaker 8: have recommended this to a lot of young people, and
Speaker 8: many of them have gotten jobs this way, including my
Speaker 8: daughter got her first job by saying, let me do a.
Speaker 5: Working interview and then what's that? And then she did
Speaker 5: the working interview and they hired her that night.
Speaker 8: There's an evening thing where she had to take photographs
Speaker 8: for some event and they hire her that night. So
Speaker 8: that's a great technique and you'll stand out with that one.
Speaker 2: Well, sure absolutely.
Speaker 1: It shows obviously some initiative on your part and a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of people would not even think
Speaker 1: to do something like that, and you probably would. I
Speaker 1: mean sure, I mean you're gonna you'll pick up a
Speaker 1: couple of bucks. But the important thing is is how
Speaker 1: you're projecting yourself and presenting yourself as somebody that can
Speaker 1: help that company in a tangible way. Doctor Ivan Meisner's
Speaker 1: our guest, and we're talking about out of work or
Speaker 1: looking for a new job, and it's the n word.
Speaker 1: It's networking, and there's no no expense for it. You
Speaker 1: said something. I'm going back to other things too, because
Speaker 1: you ought to be I pay attention to you, doctor.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you do other interviews and guys
Speaker 1: are out, you know they're cutting their nails or doing something.
Speaker 1: I pay attention. You said something else once where if
Speaker 1: you if you meet somebody, let's say you get to
Speaker 1: a networking event, you go back to your hotel room
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, write down the name and write
Speaker 1: down something about that person, and then you can do
Speaker 1: a follow up or even at the very least the
Speaker 1: next time you meet that person. It's not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your name, Fred Frank or something like that. Just
Speaker 1: a little thing like that goes a long way in
Speaker 1: making yourself stand out from other people.
Speaker 5: Right it doesn't.
Speaker 8: I recommend that you actually write something on the back
Speaker 8: of their card. Now the one very important thing culturally
Speaker 8: that is a problem in Asian countries writing on the
Speaker 8: back of a card, so they don't want to do that.
Speaker 8: But in North America it's not a big deal. So
Speaker 8: and you just say to somebody, oh, that's really interesting.
Speaker 8: You might I find make a note on the back
Speaker 8: of your card and they'll say yes, it's okay, and
Speaker 8: then you'll remember who they are. Because if you go
Speaker 8: to a networking event, you meet five, ten, fifteen, twenty people,
Speaker 8: I don't know about you, but I can't remember what
Speaker 8: conversation I had with whom, and so having a notice
Speaker 8: too in the back of the card really helps. Then
Speaker 8: you want to do what you were saying, follow up.
Speaker 8: The best follow up system is what I call the
Speaker 8: twenty four to seven thirty follow up. Within twenty four hours,
Speaker 8: drop an email and say hey, it was great meeting you.
Speaker 8: Within seven days, connect with them on the social media.
Speaker 8: So one of the things that you when you're talking
Speaker 8: to them is you ask them what's your favorite social
Speaker 8: media platform, and whatever they tell you, connect with them there.
Speaker 8: And then within thirty days, set up an appointment to
Speaker 8: meet with them, either by zoom or in person. And okay,
Speaker 8: don't sell to them all right, don't be asked. Just
Speaker 8: try to see if there are overlapping areas of interest
Speaker 8: or anything that you can do for them, but meet
Speaker 8: with them after thirty days.
Speaker 5: That's a great follow up system. Twenty four to seven thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you refer to that as category or
Speaker 1: categorize your contacts dormant, passive, active. The active would be
Speaker 1: when you know the five alarm bell is going off
Speaker 1: and you're out of work or whatever. But the other
Speaker 1: two are just a way of and you just you
Speaker 1: don't have to do it once you can keep that.
Speaker 1: Or you see something that might catch your eye and okay,
Speaker 1: well Joe might might be interested in listen. Just forwarded
Speaker 1: to them and say, hey, I saw this. We were
Speaker 1: talking about this when we met, and it just it's
Speaker 1: way to stay active in someone's mind without being intrusive.
Speaker 1: I think you know, nobody wants to be ENTUSI, but
Speaker 1: you want to stay in the presence of that person.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Nothing dissipates a relationship faster than benign neglect, where you
Speaker 8: just over time don't connect with somebody. I mean, we
Speaker 8: all have people that we went to high school with
Speaker 8: or college with that we liked, we were friends, but
Speaker 8: yet we lost touch with them because we didn't stay connected.
Speaker 8: And ironically, you know, just yesterday, I have somebody who
Speaker 8: I've known for probably ten years, and he said, hey,
Speaker 8: I haven't seen you in a long time. I'm in town.
Speaker 8: You mind if I drop by? And so absolutely, and
Speaker 8: it's making those and I hadn't seen him in.
Speaker 5: Almost two years.
Speaker 8: We talked in between ones, but it's that Stein, it's
Speaker 8: those touch points to keep the relationship going.
Speaker 5: And by the way, I gave him a referral.
Speaker 8: For he needed a client for something, a vendor for
Speaker 8: something he was doing, and I gave him a referral.
Speaker 5: I sent him the email today.
Speaker 8: So those kinds of contacts can lead to business, they
Speaker 8: can lead to jobs, they can lead tom many things.
Speaker 1: Stop by to see you in Austin. Did you take
Speaker 1: them to the hula Hut? Did you take them there?
Speaker 8: I did not, But I have a really really nice
Speaker 8: wine cellar, and we pulled out a nineteen year old
Speaker 8: bottle Cabernet and a seventeen year old cabinet.
Speaker 2: Listen to you living the good life doctor.
Speaker 1: Your book is again the third paradigm, a radical shift
Speaker 1: to greater success. And you're available at Imandmeisner dot com
Speaker 1: and there you can get information on B and I,
Speaker 1: which is the world's largest business networking organization.
Speaker 2: How big is it?
Speaker 8: Oh, we now have eleven thousand, three hundred chapters and
Speaker 8: seventy five countries around the world. Three hundred and thirty
Speaker 8: five thousand members. Let me give you one quick statistic.
Speaker 8: We track how much business our members generate because we're
Speaker 8: for a organization. In twenty twenty four, we generated twenty
Speaker 8: five billion with a B five billion dollars in what
Speaker 8: we call thank you for business. That's business that our
Speaker 8: members give each other. Now, just to put that in perspective,
Speaker 8: there are actually one hundred countries countries in the world
Speaker 8: based on the United Nations estimates of GDP, one hundred
Speaker 8: countries in the world with a lowered GDP in what
Speaker 8: our members generated for each other through this crazy thing
Speaker 8: called networking.
Speaker 1: Which in a sense is a very difficult thing to do,
Speaker 1: but in a larger sense, all you have to do
Speaker 1: is take the first step and amazingly everything else kind
Speaker 1: of it is absolutely doctor. I always feel better I
Speaker 1: have to talking to you. Not that I think I'm
Speaker 1: going to be out of work, but who knows, you know,
Speaker 1: but I think anybody listening today maybe feels a little
Speaker 1: bit better as well. Stay well, we need to hear
Speaker 1: your voice. We need to hear your voice, all right, Ivan,
Speaker 1: thank you anytime. Yeah, I mean, when you meet somebody,
Speaker 1: just acknowledge that you met them and who knows, And
Speaker 1: maybe you're not going to be stuck at a job
Speaker 1: where you're you feel no purpose or no worth. I
Speaker 1: mean to me, you only go through this one. This
Speaker 1: isn't a dress rehearsal right, I mean, this is it
Speaker 1: no follow up act. You might as well do something
Speaker 1: you like, meet somebody, follow it up, network it out,
Speaker 1: and meet people. The under thirty crowd has trouble with
Speaker 1: this because it is it's it's all characters, it's all texting,
Speaker 1: it's all Facebook and in and of itself, that's fine,
Speaker 1: but nothing. There's no substitute for meeting people. Just a
Speaker 1: thought from a guy shaking his hands at the clouds.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's the average American in for the Great American News
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW on news Radio seven hundred a WLW.
Speaker 1: I am ken Brew, the average American in for the
Speaker 1: Great American President's Day segs out today. No Studge Report.
Speaker 1: What can I tell you? May Why can I tell
Speaker 1: you he's not here?
Speaker 2: I'm here. I'll tell you what's going on. It's sports. Nothing.
Speaker 1: The NBA All Star Game yesterday, it was like most
Speaker 1: of the NBA season is was unwatchable. It was just terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's the best they can do, they
Speaker 1: should just not have an All Star game. It was
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just stupid. It really was just a
Speaker 1: stupid format they had, And I would much as bad
Speaker 1: as the NBA All Star games have been in recent
Speaker 1: years where the final score was something outrageous like one
Speaker 1: sixty two to one fifty eight, where there was absolutely
Speaker 1: no defense. I would rather watch that than which than
Speaker 1: what I watched last night. And all the NBA players
Speaker 1: now are upset with Lebron James. Turns out he might
Speaker 1: have been the smartest guy in the room because he
Speaker 1: was a no show, pulled out of the game on
Speaker 1: only a few hours notice. The first anyone knew of
Speaker 1: james decision to sit out on the sidelines was what
Speaker 1: he mentioned he was not suiting up during the press
Speaker 1: availability just before the game. And so these players are
Speaker 1: upset not because Lebron wasn't out there doing whatever Lebron does.
Speaker 1: It's that he took a spot from someone else. I
Speaker 1: would argue he saved somebody else from having to go
Speaker 1: out there last night. So everybody's upset with Lebron, which
Speaker 1: is nothing new. Hockey's got it right, man, with this
Speaker 1: four Nations Tournament. Tonight it's the USA against Sweden. The
Speaker 1: game's meaningless because the USA is already in the finals
Speaker 1: on Thursday night. They're playing this next round in Boston.
Speaker 1: We'll find out later tonight who they face in the finals.
Speaker 1: It will be either Finland or Canada. Finland and Canada play.
Speaker 1: They could get a rematch with Canada, a rematch of
Speaker 1: that game on Saturday night that had had three fights
Speaker 1: in the first nine seconds of the game.
Speaker 2: Here's what the call sounded like.
Speaker 5: This four.
Speaker 2: Underway and the gloves are on.
Speaker 9: To Kachuck and Brandon Hegel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Kachuck brothers. What are they? Matthew and Brady?
Speaker 2: Is that what his name is?
Speaker 1: Apparently they had a chat going on earlier in the
Speaker 1: day with several other players as to what Canadian players
Speaker 1: they wanted to get into a fight with and how
Speaker 1: soon they wanted to do it, and they did it.
Speaker 1: From the time the puck was dropped. It might have
Speaker 1: had something to do with the national anthem and the
Speaker 1: Canadians booing the American national anthem. It just might have
Speaker 1: been look, let's let's get a little excitement in life.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. I said I'll tune in and I'll
Speaker 1: watch this. We'll see how interesting it is. Man, they
Speaker 1: hadn't made for the rest of the game, and it
Speaker 1: turned out to be a great game.
Speaker 2: So maybe the maybe they can go to school on that.
Speaker 1: In the NBA Red's full squad reports to Goodyear today. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: wake me up when it's opening day. We'll see we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're getting the usual. Well, seashells and balloons out
Speaker 1: a good Year. About this guy looks great. Oh, he
Speaker 1: looks fantastic.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see that, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, all of that is what you would expect at
Speaker 1: this time of the year, except accept uh. Terry Francona
Speaker 1: comes with resume. The Reds haven't had a manager of
Speaker 1: with this kind of gravatas since Dusty Baker. And you
Speaker 1: can say which one about Dusty Baker. The last time
Speaker 1: this team was any good, Dusty Baker was the manager.
Speaker 1: He comes with this kind of gravatas that Luke Panela had.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm excited. And that's why when I
Speaker 1: hear the seashells and balloons out of Goodyear, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, Well, there may be some truth to all
Speaker 1: of that. I had Scott and Miller on with me
Speaker 1: yesterday on Sunday Morning Sports Talk. He is a guy
Speaker 1: who has written for a number of publications. He was
Speaker 1: a beat writer, that means that's a newspaper writer that
Speaker 1: works on a daily basis to cover the team in
Speaker 1: San Diego, did that with the Padres, wrote for cbssports
Speaker 1: dot Com. Now contributes to the New York Times, and
Speaker 1: he has a book coming out in May called Skipper,
Speaker 1: Why Baseball Managers Matter and.
Speaker 2: Why they Always will.
Speaker 1: And we got to talking about Terry Francona and how
Speaker 1: I think not only will he make players accountable because
Speaker 1: of his resume, you can look up what he's accomplished
Speaker 1: in his time.
Speaker 2: It's not difficult to do.
Speaker 1: But also because one of the things I think the
Speaker 1: Reds will start being what they have not been in
Speaker 1: recent years is a better team defensively, and you win
Speaker 1: games not just by scoring runs, but by preventing runs
Speaker 1: run prevention. Here's what Miller had to say when I suggested.
Speaker 9: That, Yeah, you make a great point. There ken no
Speaker 9: doubt about it. And the thing with him is his
Speaker 9: resume helps you know. I mean, if I'm whoever it
Speaker 9: is if I'm Gavin Lutz, if I'm you know, high
Speaker 9: married Candelario, and I committed a couple of errors and
Speaker 9: maybe even mental errors, and the manager comes after me
Speaker 9: and says, hey, we'll come out early tomorrow for betting practice.
Speaker 9: We're going to clean that up. It's different coming from
Speaker 9: Kerry Francona than from some other managers, because I mean,
Speaker 9: this is a guy that's managed David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez,
Speaker 9: Dustin Pedroia. This is the guy that went to Cleveland
Speaker 9: after Boston and yeah, I mean even before Boston Philadelphia
Speaker 9: managed Kurt Shilling and you know, some other superstars, and
Speaker 9: and then he went to Cleveland and he, you know,
Speaker 9: pretty much turned water into wine quite often in Cleveland,
Speaker 9: more often than he probably should have. So I mean
Speaker 9: he's managed superstars, Pedro Martinez, uh, you know, on and
Speaker 9: on and on. So what he's been around, he's seen.
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna say he's seen at all, because I
Speaker 9: don't think anybody ever sees it all in this game,
Speaker 9: you know, whether you're that's like they say, every day
Speaker 9: you go to the ballpark, you have a chancey something new.
Speaker 9: And you know, even guys like carry Francona see that,
Speaker 9: but he sees so much and he relates to guys
Speaker 9: as a player because he's never forgotten his own playing days.
Speaker 10: And that's one of the.
Speaker 9: Keys to the way he builds relationships with his players
Speaker 9: is you know, he understands the games hard.
Speaker 2: So I think when he to.
Speaker 9: Your point, if he's going to clean up the defense,
Speaker 9: got he's going to get through to guys because they're
Speaker 9: gonna see right away this guy gets us. He understands
Speaker 9: the games hard. Also he's got all the managing chaps
Speaker 9: that I just laid out. This guy's different and well
Speaker 9: we need to listen to him. And he's such a
Speaker 9: personal guy too. Even when Francona gets on you, he's
Speaker 9: got a great sense of humor and he can do
Speaker 9: it in a way that maybe doesn't anger you or
Speaker 9: make you a teed off. And then you listen to him.
Speaker 1: Now, well you would hope doesn't make up for any
Speaker 1: efficiencies you may have on your roster, but one would hope.
Speaker 1: So we'll see first exhibition game of Saturday. You'll hear
Speaker 1: it here on seven hundred at WLW. Today would be
Speaker 1: a good day to get out of town. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's and then more snow coming. So maybe you are
Speaker 1: maybe you're going to get on an airplane and fly
Speaker 1: somewhere warm. And when you get on that airplane, maybe
Speaker 1: in a couple three weeks, when the kids have spring
Speaker 1: break or whatever, you and mama just want to get
Speaker 1: away for a while, you're going to get on in
Speaker 1: an airplane that is going to be a Petri dish
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen studies.
Speaker 2: So this has been a while by travel math.
Speaker 1: It's I guess the best way for me to describe
Speaker 1: it as a search engine that answers data related questions
Speaker 1: about travel.
Speaker 2: Would be the way I would describe it. Anyway.
Speaker 1: It tests sampled hard surfaces and airplanes and found that
Speaker 1: tray table services had eight times the amount of bacteria
Speaker 1: per square inch than even the livey flush buttons. You
Speaker 1: go into a laboratory on a plane. You're taking your
Speaker 1: health in your hands. Anyway, they had these colonies forming
Speaker 1: units of bacteria per square inch, and it was the
Speaker 1: number was high. I mean, I'm not a doctor. I'm
Speaker 1: not somebody that understands this. I just understand that when
Speaker 1: the number's high, there's a problem. The bathroom sink had
Speaker 1: the highest number of germs. The trade table was runner up.
Speaker 1: So what do you do if you're traveling and you
Speaker 1: know that you want to get there in one piece, certainly,
Speaker 1: and you also want to get there healthy?
Speaker 2: What do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: If you listen to the guy that's online too right
Speaker 1: now that we're going to go to. His name is
Speaker 1: Brandt in Sero. He works for the National Cleaning Fraternity. Yes,
Speaker 1: they have a fraternity. It's called ISA, I SSA. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing it's IS and maybe it's ISSA.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It probably is ISA because of ISO.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I had works for this group, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to get on the radio here with me because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are going to be
Speaker 1: getting out of town here very soon. And let's see
Speaker 1: what he has to say. Bran, how are I on
Speaker 1: this glorious day?
Speaker 10: I am absolutely wonderful, and thank you for having me.
Speaker 10: We shouldn't be spooked out about the germs on a plane,
Speaker 10: should we?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I'd be more spooked out by snakes on a plane,
Speaker 1: that movie that came out about fifteen years ago. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm more concerned about. Our rooms on a plane,
Speaker 1: or allows you pilot, but germs on a plane. It
Speaker 1: seems to me if you take care of yourself in
Speaker 1: a healthy manner when you're not flying, it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: all that difficult when you fly.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you extinct, right, But let's just take a giant
Speaker 10: step back, right, Let's think about how is this bacterial
Speaker 10: bactery and viruses. How would they transmit it? There's really
Speaker 10: two ways, right, It's airborne droplets as well as surface
Speaker 10: transmission from things that people are touching. So just simple
Speaker 10: awareness about this will help us.
Speaker 4: That's the first step.
Speaker 10: You cannot avoid thickness undred percent, so it's a fact.
Speaker 10: So we know how this stuff is transmitted. We know
Speaker 10: that we can't avoid it one hundred percent. But what
Speaker 10: we can do is break the pattern of transmission. And
Speaker 10: that's the exciting thing. So when we think about this,
Speaker 10: you know on the airplane, they come out of every
Speaker 10: year with these studies of all the different surfaces and
Speaker 10: the bacteria loads and what to avoid the reality is
Speaker 10: just lower the quantity of things that you're touching on
Speaker 10: an airplane. And you know what, some of these airlines
Speaker 10: they actually provide you disinfecting lights. Yeah, use them, They work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's true. I mean, well, there's some things
Speaker 1: you can't avoid touching. One would be a seat belt.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to do it. You have to
Speaker 1: lock it up, So it would be wise, I guess
Speaker 1: ahead of time to wipe that down with some sort
Speaker 1: of disinfectant wipe. You don't have to touch your trade table,
Speaker 1: you can leave it alone. You don't have to touch
Speaker 1: the pocket in front of you where they have all
Speaker 1: those cars and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Just leave it alone.
Speaker 1: You do have to touch the overhead ben I suppose
Speaker 1: when you put your bags in there. But again, just
Speaker 1: wipe down your hands and I think there'll be You'll
Speaker 1: be fine there. Most of this is common sense, is
Speaker 1: it not?
Speaker 10: It is common sense, But we're creatures of habit. It's
Speaker 10: muscle memory. So I travel a lot, and I honestly
Speaker 10: follow the same exact path every single time I get
Speaker 10: on a plane. I pick the same seat number, you know,
Speaker 10: and I walk that same pattern every time. So I
Speaker 10: absolutely will bring little travel hand sanitizers with me for
Speaker 10: my hands. I'm using the disinfecting whites. But quite honestly,
Speaker 10: all I'm doing is I'm making sure I go to
Speaker 10: the bathroom before I get on a plane. So I
Speaker 10: don't have to use the bathroom on the plane, which
Speaker 10: is a big help because there's a lot of bacteria
Speaker 10: in there. I tend not to use a tray table,
Speaker 10: and if I do, I'm not touching it other than
Speaker 10: just to drop it down and put my laptop on it.
Speaker 10: And then you know, I also try to avoid the
Speaker 10: seat buckle. It sounds crazy, the underneath part of the
Speaker 10: latch because people reach their hand underneath the latch and
Speaker 10: that's what's actually being touched, is your finger pats on
Speaker 10: the underside. And then way ever cleans that part of it,
Speaker 10: they wipe the.
Speaker 5: Outside of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the little spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, I mean, heck, you know even you know,
Speaker 1: I travel a lot and never thought about that at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's phenomenal. What about the air inside
Speaker 1: a plane, because I know during during COVID, when they'd
Speaker 1: make their little speech before you would take off, it
Speaker 1: was all the air is recycled in here. It's the
Speaker 1: cleanest area you're going to inhale anywhere, even when you
Speaker 1: get off the plane.
Speaker 2: And this and that.
Speaker 1: I know the air is recyl recircled, recirculated, and I
Speaker 1: know it's filtered, but I mean, how much is it filtered?
Speaker 1: And if you've got a half dozen people on the
Speaker 1: plane that have the flu, is it really helping you
Speaker 1: all that much?
Speaker 10: You know, it absolutely does help, but again it doesn't
Speaker 10: guarantee that you're safe one hundred percent. So I always
Speaker 10: recommend if anybody has underlying illnesses, you know, bring a
Speaker 10: mass just in case. If there's people that are starting
Speaker 10: to cost needs, put it on. It's another layer of protection.
Speaker 10: It may seem silly post pandemic, but those little things
Speaker 10: do work, all right.
Speaker 1: So we got that, we got ourselves covered traveling on
Speaker 1: a plane. Now you get off a plane, then you
Speaker 1: get into a an uber or you get into a taxi.
Speaker 1: I guess in New York and to be a taxi
Speaker 1: and other towns are to be an uber. You get
Speaker 1: it in an uber, what do you do? Because you're
Speaker 1: not the first person in that car. It's generally somebody
Speaker 1: else's car. So when you sit down inside of uber,
Speaker 1: what do you do?
Speaker 10: I mean, you're really doing the same exact things. You're
Speaker 10: trying to limit how many times you're touching your face.
Speaker 10: So you want to limit how much you're touching your mouth,
Speaker 10: your eyes, because that's where that bacterial or viral load
Speaker 10: can enter in your body. People forget that we often
Speaker 10: touch our face as a nervous habit. Again, the hand
Speaker 10: sanitizer will help that. But you're getting somebody's personal vehicle.
Speaker 10: I mean, there's no way to guarantee that they are
Speaker 10: cleaning and disinfecting that vehicle after every single passenger, like
Speaker 10: we did during COVID.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about when you get to a hotel? I
Speaker 1: remember hotels. Maybe they still do it. It's been a
Speaker 1: while since I've stayed in a hotel. But they wouldn't
Speaker 1: change the sheets every day so long as it was
Speaker 1: the same people in the room. They wouldn't change the
Speaker 1: towels every day. You could request it, but you might
Speaker 1: not get it. They were big about telling you how
Speaker 1: much the room has been disinfected in this and that.
Speaker 1: But you and I both know we've seen the horror
Speaker 1: stories of what's on top of a comforter in a
Speaker 1: hotel room, or what a bathroom looks like. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you do when you gets to a hotel,
Speaker 1: and even a high high end hotel not necessarily Ed's
Speaker 1: beds and do boys Pennsylvania. But let's just say you're
Speaker 1: at a five star hotel somewhere, what do you do
Speaker 1: when you check in?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's funny because I'm literally in my hotel room
Speaker 10: right now as I'm traveling this week, and you know,
Speaker 10: you made me just kind of look around my room
Speaker 10: while I was sitting here. But you know, I always
Speaker 10: go through a visual inspection, right, So there's a couple
Speaker 10: of things. There's clean and there's disinfected. So as we
Speaker 10: think about cleaning, it's the visible soil, dirt, debris on
Speaker 10: a surface. So I look around, you know, is they're
Speaker 10: leftover soil in the bathroom or on your bed first?
Speaker 10: And if there is, I always request another room or
Speaker 10: ask them to come clean it. But the reality is
Speaker 10: they're back to the basics and they're understaffed at this point,
Speaker 10: so they're trying to find ways to save on time
Speaker 10: as much as possible.
Speaker 2: So they actually.
Speaker 10: Allow a lot of their travelers to opt in for
Speaker 10: cleaning the room versus opting out. So when you you know,
Speaker 10: you check in, if they ask you would you like
Speaker 10: to have your room service? Oh, by the way, if
Speaker 10: you don't have a service, there's an extra you know,
Speaker 10: five thousand points have it serviced. It's important Yeah, you know,
Speaker 10: we're really big advocates on technology at the association, so
Speaker 10: ensuring that people are using things like electrostatics, prayers, they're
Speaker 10: monitoring services and measuring the air. So it's really important
Speaker 10: that technology is enabled in a lot of these facilities.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Brad and Service the senior director of Education, Training, Certification
Speaker 1: Standards for i SSA. It's the leading trade association for
Speaker 1: the cleaning industry worldwide. I'm just interested how do we
Speaker 1: compare to Europe? You know, a lot of my friends
Speaker 1: are going to go over to Europe a couple for
Speaker 1: the holidays, some right after the first.
Speaker 2: Of the year.
Speaker 1: By and large, are we a cleaner society when it
Speaker 1: comes to travel then, say, for example, those that live
Speaker 1: and travel in the UK or Europe, places like that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, here's what I can tell you is specific to
Speaker 10: the cleaning industry. Technology and sustainability is far more advanced
Speaker 10: in the European market. We are behind the times, but
Speaker 10: we are catching up fast.
Speaker 1: Well ahead how by cleaning, but with supplies or just
Speaker 1: in dedication to cleaning.
Speaker 10: It's actually both right, So they're actually they've been using,
Speaker 10: as an example, microfiberclosts a lot longer than we have
Speaker 10: in the United States. They are following more critical processes
Speaker 10: to their cleaning in many of the countries in Europe,
Speaker 10: they also have the appropriate labor to accomplish the tasks
Speaker 10: at many locations, and they're also implementing robotics and IoT technology.
Speaker 10: So from the supply side, they are more advanced. And
Speaker 10: when we visit a lot of the conferences and trade
Speaker 10: shows internationally, it's visible.
Speaker 2: We can see that change.
Speaker 1: Wow, I walked into a room and there was a
Speaker 1: robot cleaning it. I'd run the hell out of the building.
Speaker 1: I would day. You can see it right exactly, and
Speaker 1: you know, the robots not getting sick exactly.
Speaker 2: Brent, good stuff.
Speaker 1: I'd wish you safe and healthy travel, but that's kind
Speaker 1: of redundant in the business you're in. But great stuff
Speaker 1: with regards how the rest of us can get through
Speaker 1: the holidays hopefully unscathed.
Speaker 2: Brent and Serro.
Speaker 1: You can find him at i s SA dot com.
Speaker 1: I s SA dot com. That's the International Trade Association,
Speaker 1: the leading association for the cleaning industry, and it is worldwide. Brent,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. We'll talk down the road.
Speaker 10: Thanks for having me a great day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet, or you could just invest in a
Speaker 1: hazmat suit.
Speaker 2: Could get to that news radio seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: All right back on the big one, the average America
Speaker 1: and for the great American on this President's Day Monday.
Speaker 1: Great to have you with us wherever you are, however
Speaker 1: you may be listening either through this great medium of
Speaker 1: terrestrial radio or perhaps on the iHeart app.
Speaker 2: We welcome you on in.
Speaker 1: Some things in life are a surprise, and some things
Speaker 1: in life you say yourself, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: probably knew that. I think this falls into the ladder
Speaker 1: for me, but my days of raising children are well
Speaker 1: behind me. Screen time, you know, in front of the
Speaker 1: television set or the computer, or now in front of
Speaker 1: a tablet or a phone. Screen time can delay language
Speaker 1: development in toddlers. That's not anecdotal anymore. There is a
Speaker 1: study that supports that. In fact, this study says that
Speaker 1: if your kid is spending too much time in front
Speaker 1: of a screen, whatever device, it may be, unless time
Speaker 1: interacting with Let me think you, as a parent, you
Speaker 1: are not doing a good job of parenting your kid.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the excuses are. You know, in
Speaker 1: this day and age, everybody wants to have kids. I
Speaker 1: want to have kids. I want to have a career,
Speaker 1: I want to have kids. Well, that's all well and good.
Speaker 1: The easiest thing about having a kid is literally conceiving
Speaker 1: a kid. The hard work is raising the kid and
Speaker 1: understanding that along the way he or she needs something
Speaker 1: more than a device. Do you ever notice when you
Speaker 1: go out to a restaurant you see a mom and
Speaker 1: dad sitting there and the kids are there, and invariably
Speaker 1: the kids got a device, and the kids sitting there
Speaker 1: with his nose in the device doing what, playing what,
Speaker 1: God knows what, and mom and dad are probably more
Speaker 1: often than not, are on their own devices, going down
Speaker 1: their doom scroll or wherever it may be. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a it's kind of a little entertainment
Speaker 1: for me to go to a restaurant, see a family,
Speaker 1: young families sit down and outcome the devices.
Speaker 2: What's happened to us?
Speaker 1: Somebody that must be wondering the same thing as standing
Speaker 1: by to join us right now. Kelly Shoe is a
Speaker 1: licensed pediacric occupational therapist. She's got twenty years of work
Speaker 1: on that end, and by the way, is also a mom,
Speaker 1: and she hosts a podcast. It's called making sense of parenting.
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't want to do that? Let's welcome her in
Speaker 1: Kelly Shoe. How are you on this glorious Monday.
Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Thank you? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good because I don't have any kids to raise,
Speaker 1: so I can sit back and look at some of
Speaker 1: this stuff and wonder and laugh at some point, at
Speaker 1: some points and then empathy for the kid. But did
Speaker 1: you notice that when you go out, if you go
Speaker 1: out to a restaurant, you see it, and it just
Speaker 1: it absolutely baffles me. What's the point of going out
Speaker 1: as a family if everybody has their own device out?
Speaker 1: Do you understand that?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: I think it's just the ease of pulling out a device.
Speaker 6: And it's also parents not understanding, not intentionally realizing, that
Speaker 6: they're harming their kids and that their kids need to
Speaker 6: see social interaction. They need to practice speaking and talking
Speaker 6: and using words and pronouncing words. They need to understand
Speaker 6: nonverbal language, eye contacts, social cues, all of these things.
Speaker 6: But I think parents don't really understand that they're missing
Speaker 6: that opportunity at the restaurant to be helping their child
Speaker 6: and helping their child get skills valuable critical skills that
Speaker 6: the child's going to need later in life.
Speaker 1: Sure, and look, I get it. It's different today than
Speaker 1: it was even ten years ago. Two income families. Mom works,
Speaker 1: dad works out of the house. Kids may come home
Speaker 1: no mom and dad, kids may come home to one parent.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot of it is is not
Speaker 1: Ozzie and Harriet or modern family. It's different today than
Speaker 1: what it was when I was a kid growing up.
Speaker 1: And I get that. But what I don't understand is
Speaker 1: if you want to have a child, if you really
Speaker 1: want to have a child, you have to understand the
Speaker 1: work that goes into it. And it's not just giving
Speaker 1: the kids something to eat and putting clothes on his
Speaker 1: back and making sure he gets off onto the school bus.
Speaker 1: You've got to raise the child. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of times parents get home and they're exhausted and
Speaker 1: all they want to do is either veg out or
Speaker 1: do something that doesn't involve a child, which up until
Speaker 1: about eighteen, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of parents just don't have the
Speaker 1: energy or the desire to do this. I know that's
Speaker 1: a blanket. Yeah, that's overarching it. It's blanket but I
Speaker 1: just sense that it's a drain and they don't know
Speaker 1: anything else. So here take this, well, I can just veg.
Speaker 6: Out for a while, right, I think they don't understand
Speaker 6: the cost that it will have later. And so we
Speaker 6: are seeing, you know, ten years ago the landscape look
Speaker 6: very different, but now we see so many deficits and
Speaker 6: deficiencies and difficulties with kids as they get older, right,
Speaker 6: and so we need to be doing a better job
Speaker 6: informing parents. So I have a little saying that I
Speaker 6: will tell parents. I'm like, giving your child a device
Speaker 6: now which is easy for you and keeps the house
Speaker 6: clean and you don't have to interact with your child,
Speaker 6: you are making it difficult for your child later. So
Speaker 6: it will result in, you know, difficulties in school, difficulties
Speaker 6: with friends, deficiencies, deficits that are showing up in strength
Speaker 6: in coordination and handwriting skills and language skills, understanding friendships.
Speaker 6: How do I navigate friendships as a third grader? If
Speaker 6: all I've done is watch a device for second grade,
Speaker 6: first grade, and you know the five years before that,
Speaker 6: it's really sad and it's alarming, and we're seeing study
Speaker 6: after studies show oh my goodness, kids aren't reading? Why
Speaker 6: aren't they reading? Will they? In toddlerhood they need to
Speaker 6: be practicing gibberish and saying words and changing how loud
Speaker 6: they talk, how soft they talk. They need to ask
Speaker 6: their parents why a thousand times over again why why? Developmentally,
Speaker 6: they are in a stage of curiosity and learning and
Speaker 6: they need it to be an active, engaged experience that
Speaker 6: they're not watching passively on a screen.
Speaker 1: That was always my favorite, the why questions. You know,
Speaker 1: it could get to be a little it could get
Speaker 1: to be a bit much after a while, but you
Speaker 1: have to understand there's the wheels are turning inside there
Speaker 1: and they're trying to figure out why. But this is
Speaker 1: not anecdotal. I mean, I'm looking at this study. Scientists
Speaker 1: from over twenty nations did this this study and although
Speaker 1: it was conducted in Latin America, about nineteen hundred kids
Speaker 1: toddlers ages twelve to forty eight months. Even though it
Speaker 1: was Latin America, kids are kids.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a global problem. Yes exactly.
Speaker 6: This is not This is not a US, This isn't
Speaker 6: a you know, are continent. This is across the globe
Speaker 6: because we all have access to these devices, and again
Speaker 6: we don't understand that, you know, God created humans specific
Speaker 6: developmental way they have windows. When they're learning is more intense,
Speaker 6: and for little kids it's from eight under. They are
Speaker 6: really there's a spunge. They're picking up everything. They're learning
Speaker 6: so much and parents are thinking, well, I'm on my device,
Speaker 6: that's fine, and I'll say, but you have a fully
Speaker 6: formed brain and body at thirty years old. The four
Speaker 6: year old does not. They don't have that ability with
Speaker 6: their brain. We're trying to form them in the right way,
Speaker 6: and it doesn't look like a device because a device
Speaker 6: is passive passive entertainment passive. You know, kids need to
Speaker 6: be active and moving using their senses, touching, tasting, smelling,
Speaker 6: all those things, because that builds their nervous system and
Speaker 6: allows them to self regulate and allows them to be
Speaker 6: calm and focused when they're in middle school and math class.
Speaker 6: All of that is starting with, you know, when they're
Speaker 6: three and four and two. All of that's important then
Speaker 6: for how they operate later.
Speaker 2: Sure, not just.
Speaker 1: Learning and developing skills, but also you mentioned this just
Speaker 1: a while back, their social skills and how they interact
Speaker 1: with other kids, which is really important. You put a
Speaker 1: device in front of somebody, it's a passive thing. You know,
Speaker 1: they're absorbed in whatever is happening on that device, a game,
Speaker 1: a cartoon, whatever it may be. But it doesn't help
Speaker 1: develop how the child develops socially. And look, we've had
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges thrown at us in the last
Speaker 1: four or five years, particularly with you know, with COVID
Speaker 1: and isolation and things like that, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: you want to add to that avalanche by shoving this
Speaker 1: device under a kid's nose. Okay, So we know it's
Speaker 1: a problem. If you're if you're a mom or dad
Speaker 1: that's listening right now, you're you're the parenting expert. What
Speaker 1: needs to happen here short of taking the device away completely,
Speaker 1: at which point, you know, I'm not sure that's the
Speaker 1: worst thing, that's the best thing in the world to do.
Speaker 2: So what are we doing here to make this right?
Speaker 6: Well, so I advise kind of middle of the road.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're extreme, you're going to say this
Speaker 6: child can't be on any device until they're eighteen. But
Speaker 6: that's not realistic and it's way too hard for parents
Speaker 6: to do. And so you know, if you have a
Speaker 6: kid who's under the age of eight. Okay, maybe twenty
Speaker 6: minutes once a day, but just to understand that you
Speaker 6: need to be engaging with your child. You need to
Speaker 6: make eye contact with them, you need to be talking
Speaker 6: to them. They need to be watching you face to face.
Speaker 6: Form words say, sentences say words allow them to ask
Speaker 6: what was that? How do you say that?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 6: How do I pronounce that? Like all of these things
Speaker 6: are so important, and just that the deficiencies are everywhere
Speaker 6: that we are seeing. So you've got to put the
Speaker 6: time in now and if you will put the time
Speaker 6: in now when they're little and also developmentally, they want
Speaker 6: to spend time with their parents. So thinking that you're
Speaker 6: going to go back and fix these deficits and deficiencies
Speaker 6: and their social emotional ability, it's not going to happen
Speaker 6: in the teenage years because that's when they're developmentally separating
Speaker 6: from their parents leading for college. So you have to
Speaker 6: catch it in the window when it was originally designed
Speaker 6: and it makes everything easier, got right.
Speaker 1: And look, you've got to be prepared for the child
Speaker 1: to pitch a fit. It's going to happen, but the
Speaker 1: reason why the child's pitching a fit has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the kid. It's what you've allowed to happen
Speaker 1: up to that point. It's of your making. Not only
Speaker 1: the child, but the suite situation is of your making.
Speaker 1: So look, maybe the kid pitches a fit for a
Speaker 1: couple or three days, and then after that it's not
Speaker 1: going to be all that it's not going to be
Speaker 1: all that bad. You know, again, exceptions to every rule.
Speaker 1: But what I found is after there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of reasoning that goes on. And honestly, I think when
Speaker 1: a child gets to be two two and a half,
Speaker 1: there's reasoning that's beginning to develop. Okay, if I do this,
Speaker 1: I get in trouble. If I do this, maybe I
Speaker 1: get what I want. Here there's deal making that's beginning
Speaker 1: to form there. So you know, give it three or
Speaker 1: four days, let the child get upset, and after that,
Speaker 1: chances are you'll probably be okay with.
Speaker 6: This, right right, Yes, And I have many parents who
Speaker 6: will want my help in regard their kids are throwing tantrums,
Speaker 6: they're having meltdown. Kids won't listen, they're defiant, and it's
Speaker 6: again regulating their emotions, feelings, their bodies. And so I'll
Speaker 6: suggest let's get away from all TV and all devices
Speaker 6: for a week, and the parents will come back and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: the first two or three days were brutal with the
Speaker 6: kid wanting the device, but after that they noticed such
Speaker 6: an increase in good behavior, less meltdowns, less tantrums, n't
Speaker 6: able to control their own bodies and their feelings and
Speaker 6: their voice volumes and things like that. And we also
Speaker 6: have to realize that the makers of the kids shows
Speaker 6: and the apps, they're intentionally making them addictive. They're intentionally
Speaker 6: harming the very population that they're serving, which I have
Speaker 6: a huge problem with. Like they want more airtime for
Speaker 6: these little kids, who that's the opposite of what they need.
Speaker 6: They more need more outside time, more face to face time,
Speaker 6: more active play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I you can.
Speaker 1: You know it's there, whether or not your kids watching
Speaker 1: it or you're scrolling through it. You can see where
Speaker 1: a lot of there's this addictive there. I can't remember
Speaker 1: the cartoon maker, Oh my gosh, it's just scaming. But
Speaker 1: the eye they the psychologists had figured out the eye
Speaker 1: movement of the characters mesmerized the kid.
Speaker 2: It was almost hypnotic.
Speaker 1: And you've got a as a parent, you've got to
Speaker 1: understand that nothing happens by chance. When it comes to
Speaker 1: these things. There's a reason why it's happening. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I think we've got a solution here. It's just going
Speaker 1: to be tough. And your child's crying out for time
Speaker 1: with you, right, Kelly, that's what he wants. He or
Speaker 1: she wants time with you.
Speaker 4: They may not know it exactly.
Speaker 1: They may think that that whatever is on that screen
Speaker 1: as a substitute, but what they really want is time
Speaker 1: with you. It's like it's like when a parent says
Speaker 1: later on they might have a teenager, oh, she's my
Speaker 1: best friend. Oh, they don't want a best friend, they
Speaker 1: want a parent, and they just want.
Speaker 2: Somebody to pay attention to you.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: They want to feel seen and heard and known, and
Speaker 6: they want to know that as the parent that you
Speaker 6: can meet their needs. And it might look like I
Speaker 6: just need some conversation and some eye contact with you, mom.
Speaker 6: But they also see parents who are modeling being on
Speaker 6: a device all the time. Absolutely, the kids are going, oh, well,
Speaker 6: mom's on their device all the time, where's my device?
Speaker 2: So exactly? Its exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's challenging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's no one size fits all. But
Speaker 1: the one thing I would say is at dinner time especially,
Speaker 1: nobody takes the device out. Just check them at the
Speaker 1: door or put them in a basket or something and
Speaker 1: then sit there and interact.
Speaker 2: That's all you got to do, is very simple.
Speaker 6: What do we do and if it's your house, your rules.
Speaker 6: So I used to have a basket in my house
Speaker 6: that when my kids had friends over. Yeah, the phones
Speaker 6: all went in the basket. The laptop's never left, you know,
Speaker 6: public areas like again, you have to be the parent
Speaker 6: and your kids will follow suit if you enforce it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, making sense of parenting podcasts, I'm sure that's
Speaker 1: up there where every single podcast is Spotify, Apple and
Speaker 1: things like that.
Speaker 2: How often do you have episodes that come out.
Speaker 6: About every month that there's some episodes that they could
Speaker 6: go and find on all these things that are already there?
Speaker 2: Good good And you're at Kelly shoot dot com K.
Speaker 6: E L O Y Kelly yeah with a middle initial.
Speaker 2: K Kelly K yeah okay, Kelly yeah there you are.
Speaker 1: Okay, good stuff, good ideas there. I think maybe you
Speaker 1: might have nipped a problem in the bud for a
Speaker 1: lot of parents and stay, well, this was good stuff.
Speaker 2: Kelly Hope, we can do it again.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Okayye uh yeah. I mean it's just just do that.
Speaker 1: The next time you go out to dinner and just
Speaker 1: look around and if you see a family, you'll invariably
Speaker 1: see one. Everybody's got a device out. Kids got their
Speaker 1: nose and a device. It's like, why did you have
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Speaker 1: oh six, on this President's Day.
Speaker 2: What's going on? What's going on? Oh?
Speaker 1: What's interesting I think at this point is tomorrow is
Speaker 1: the day that NFL teams can begin signing franchise tags
Speaker 1: or applying franchise tags to the players they don't want
Speaker 1: to lose to free agency. And I said this yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it again. The Bengals are going
Speaker 1: to do that to t Higgins and it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with their desire to work out a long
Speaker 1: term deal.
Speaker 2: It's just a business procedure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've told Higgins exactly what's going on and
Speaker 1: that they are trying to work out a long term deal.
Speaker 1: This is just prudence on their part. If indeed things
Speaker 1: blow up, and they quite possibly could, and Higgins goes
Speaker 1: someplace else in free agency. By the way, the free
Speaker 1: agent signing period is less than a month away. The
Speaker 1: free agent signing period opens up on March twelfth. So
Speaker 1: if it's March twelfth and T Higgins isn't signed here
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, he's gone. But I just think tomorrow is
Speaker 1: a bookkeeping procedure. That way, if he is gone, if
Speaker 1: it blows up, they can get some sort of compensation
Speaker 1: from the NFL in terms of draft picks.
Speaker 2: That's all it is.
Speaker 1: So when that news breaks, don't go crazy. It's exactly
Speaker 1: what's going on with him, and whether or not he
Speaker 1: stays here, we'll see.
Speaker 2: We shall see.
Speaker 1: Here is something that is fact, more students are choosing
Speaker 1: not to go to college. High school students choosing not
Speaker 1: to go to college. This is according to the National
Speaker 1: Student Clearinghouse. Enrollment in construction trade courses increased almost twenty percent.
Speaker 1: Culinary programs twelve and a half percent, while enrollment increases
Speaker 1: in trade schools. Over All mechanics and whatnot increased eleven
Speaker 1: and a half percent year to year. Now, this study
Speaker 1: is a few years old, twenty twenty one to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Two, but it applies now.
Speaker 1: Enrollment in two year colleges down eight percent, enrollment in
Speaker 1: four year colleges drop by three and a half percent.
Speaker 2: Why so, Well, because kids.
Speaker 1: Don't want to run up a lot of debt, or
Speaker 1: their moms and dads don't and then have to get
Speaker 1: out of college and try and find the job that
Speaker 1: may not pay as much as a trade would pay
Speaker 1: if they had gone to trade school. Standing by the
Speaker 1: way in is Christina et. She is the director of
Speaker 1: Institute Improvement, that Scholar Shot. That's a company that helps
Speaker 1: at risk students earn degrees in high school and position
Speaker 1: themselves for what they want to do later in life,
Speaker 1: whether it's college, whether it's trade school. And she's standing
Speaker 1: by the way in on this on this President's Day,
Speaker 1: Christina Eddie, how are you on this glorious day?
Speaker 11: I am doing great.
Speaker 1: I know this, you know this. If only anecdotally, we
Speaker 1: don't need this survey. There are fewer kids going to
Speaker 1: college and more going into trades because you can get
Speaker 1: into a trade, learn a trade, and very quickly either
Speaker 1: work for a large trade company or starts your own
Speaker 1: trade company. The money is there where. Perhaps if you
Speaker 1: go into a college, try to get a four year degree,
Speaker 1: you may not even realize the debt you accrued for five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: ten years. So this is not surprising. It's not surprising
Speaker 1: to me. Was it surprising to you?
Speaker 11: It's not surprising to me that more kids are opting
Speaker 11: out of four year university, more of them are going
Speaker 11: to community college now than we've seen in several years,
Speaker 11: for that very reason. They are learning that hey, I
Speaker 11: can get an associate's degree, I can get a vocational certification,
Speaker 11: and I can go to work making substantially more than
Speaker 11: just a living wage. And that really appeals to a
Speaker 11: lot of kids. And you know, I think for your
Speaker 11: school have have their work cut out for them to
Speaker 11: you know, increase enrollment again.
Speaker 1: But a lot of these Christina are not four year schools.
Speaker 1: You know, the bad old days when I went to
Speaker 1: my university, Ohio University neatly take away in the southeast
Speaker 1: part of Ohio. It's widely considered the Harvard on the
Speaker 1: Hawking River. It's a little plug there for my school.
Speaker 5: But anyway, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: When I went. When I went, you could get a
Speaker 1: degree in four years. A lot a lot of these
Speaker 1: schools anymore, it's a chore to get it in for
Speaker 1: almost impossible. And that's because most of these universities. I
Speaker 1: don't want to castigate all of them, but most of
Speaker 1: them are nothing more than factories to generate money so
Speaker 1: they can keep chugging along. And hey, if the caution
Speaker 1: extra year tuition, well that's just the way it goes.
Speaker 1: A lot of these universities are at the root of
Speaker 1: the problem for.
Speaker 11: This, are they not, Well, I think it's it's definitely
Speaker 11: a factor. You know, universities, it's a business, and you know,
Speaker 11: it's one of those situations where students may not always
Speaker 11: be able to get the classes that they need in
Speaker 11: order to graduate when they need them, which then extends
Speaker 11: right the time that students spend. Also, students tend to
Speaker 11: change their minds a lot, you know, not many eighteen
Speaker 11: or nineteen year olds know what they want to do
Speaker 11: for the rest of their life, and so they'll change
Speaker 11: majors several times. I mean, I know when I went
Speaker 11: to school many many, many many moons ago, back in
Speaker 11: the dinosaur ages, I think I changed my major three
Speaker 11: or four times. So it's kind of a combinationist thing.
Speaker 1: But again, these universities will offer courses, you know, they'll
Speaker 1: run concurrent. I need to take this course to get
Speaker 1: my degree. Oh wait a minute, I also have to
Speaker 1: take that course, but I can only take that. I
Speaker 1: can't take that course because it's at the same time
Speaker 1: as this other course. Well, that's where the trouble begins,
Speaker 1: and that's where the dollars start to run up. I
Speaker 1: do think, oh absolutely, a lot of these places just
Speaker 1: exist to churn money so they can get enough faculty
Speaker 1: paid and they can publish enough papers to self generate
Speaker 1: their interest at the expense of mom and dad or
Speaker 1: whomever is paying for junior to go to that school.
Speaker 2: I don't want tons about this, but I think that exists.
Speaker 11: Oh absolutely, it exists, and that's one of the reasons
Speaker 11: why I think more families are starting to see the
Speaker 11: value in community college or the trades.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 11: You know, I think about how much we paid the
Speaker 11: plumber to come to our house a few months ago,
Speaker 11: and I kept joking that I was in the wrong
Speaker 11: business because what he charged us was incredible. And you
Speaker 11: you have a workforce that is rapidly aging out. They're retiring,
Speaker 11: and we just don't have the young people to fill
Speaker 11: those those jobs, those careers.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at, christine A.
Speaker 1: Costs for attending a two year community college fall in
Speaker 1: more than nine percent over the last decade. Whereas you
Speaker 1: know there it used to be, they were there. Even
Speaker 1: a two year school was very, very difficult financially on
Speaker 1: a lot of people. But I do think that this,
Speaker 1: I do think that this, this, this college Board survey
Speaker 1: indicates that with tuitions coming down, uh, some of these
Speaker 1: universities are going to have to And this cites well,
Speaker 1: there are some private universities, but its cites a great
Speaker 1: deal of what state public universities are going through. And
Speaker 1: some of these universities are going to have to tailor
Speaker 1: what they offer in terms of course selection because it
Speaker 1: may not be in concert with what the real world
Speaker 1: is looking for, and they're going to have to, I
Speaker 1: think tighten their belts a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know, the next thing may be layoffs.
Speaker 1: If you know a lot of people going to your school,
Speaker 1: you're going to do one or two things to maintain
Speaker 1: your faculty size. You're either going to have to increase tuition,
Speaker 1: which obviously are not or you're going to let some
Speaker 1: people go. So I think some of these state universities
Speaker 1: are going to go through some hard times.
Speaker 2: Here in the next few well, and I agree.
Speaker 11: And I do think too that while tuition might be
Speaker 11: going down in general, the cost of living is still
Speaker 11: kind of rising. So we have to look at the
Speaker 11: whole picture. It's the total cost of attendance for a
Speaker 11: university or community college versus just the tuition, and that's
Speaker 11: and that's really what gets people. While I may only
Speaker 11: pay eight or nine thousand dollars in tuition because it's
Speaker 11: gone down, I still have to pay for housing and
Speaker 11: food and transportation and the two pages of fees that
Speaker 11: most universities charge. So it's it's really the total cost.
Speaker 11: And I do think there needs to be some change
Speaker 11: as far as how we fund public universities and what
Speaker 11: people can afford. What is what are the jobs of
Speaker 11: the future? And you know, is every kid ready for
Speaker 11: a four year university?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 11: You know there's a lot of questions, So there.
Speaker 1: Are, and I think those are the questions that are
Speaker 1: being asked by mom and dad, who's ever responsible for
Speaker 1: junior when they're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old. I mean,
Speaker 1: there might be a lot of conversations like, hey, buddy,
Speaker 1: let's face it, you're not going to set the world
Speaker 1: on fire with your grades. You're not the next Albert Einstein?
Speaker 1: Is this really what we want to do?
Speaker 2: Do you have someone? Now?
Speaker 1: The other thing that's going on here at Christina Etrian again,
Speaker 1: we're chatting with Christina Etri. She's with Scholarshop, which is
Speaker 1: a nonprofit dedicated to helping at risk students. We'll get
Speaker 1: into what that's all about in just a second. But
Speaker 1: the other thing too is it doesn't matter whether it's
Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars a year or eleven thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: year or whatever. Rare are the people that walk in
Speaker 1: to a university where the tuition is eleven twelve thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a year and PLoP down twelve thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: year and say educate my kid.
Speaker 2: A lot of parents exactly take loans out. What is
Speaker 2: the loan landscape?
Speaker 1: What does that look like both in terms of interest rates,
Speaker 1: loan forgiveness, Things like that because you know, you're dealing
Speaker 1: with banks, and you're dealing with the FED, and you're
Speaker 1: dealing with loans that you know, fluctuate up and down.
Speaker 2: What does that look like the financing.
Speaker 5: End of it.
Speaker 11: Financing end of it is often very complicated because there
Speaker 11: are a variety of different loans that people can take
Speaker 11: out to pay for education. Interest rates are high, you know,
Speaker 11: six percent, seven percent, especially if you're if you're going
Speaker 11: to a private lender. But nationwide, I believe the last
Speaker 11: statistic loan balances were roughly twenty between twenty seven and
Speaker 11: thirty thousand dollars, which is still you know, I mean,
Speaker 11: that's an average, but now we're looking at the middle
Speaker 11: fifty percent.
Speaker 3: Right, So.
Speaker 11: I think that people don't want to graduate with a
Speaker 11: lot of debt, and financing needs to change.
Speaker 1: Sure, let's just take twenty seven thousand dollars. You're graduating
Speaker 1: with a debt at twenty seven thousand dollars and you
Speaker 1: start paying that loan back again. It's been a while,
Speaker 1: But I think for me.
Speaker 8: It was like kay, one, yeah, it wasn't like, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, get to we'll get back to you in
Speaker 1: nine months. You know, here's here's a book, a pa,
Speaker 1: here's a book. This is how long ago it was.
Speaker 1: Here's a booklet with a payment, you know, month by
Speaker 1: month and mail in the check. So, so you're graduating,
Speaker 1: and so you're thinking, Okay, I got to get a job.
Speaker 1: Well I don't have a job. Well I've got to
Speaker 1: find a job, and I have to find a job
Speaker 1: that not only lets me eat and live and all that,
Speaker 1: but I also have to pay off this note. So
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, you have one or two choices.
Speaker 1: You either you either pay it off or you don't.
Speaker 1: In that case and your credit is ruined forever and
Speaker 1: it's difficult ye to get it back. So it's immediately
Speaker 1: you need it. And this goes back to our initial talk.
Speaker 1: Do you want a job that do you want to
Speaker 1: go get an education that will get you a job
Speaker 1: that will pay off for you ten years down the road,
Speaker 1: or do you want to get a job that's going
Speaker 1: to pay you today when your bills are due today?
Speaker 1: And I think that's where we're at all of this,
Speaker 1: aren't we?
Speaker 11: No, I completely agree. I mean I think back to
Speaker 11: when I graduated and my student loans, I had enormous,
Speaker 11: an enormous amount because I went to a private school.
Speaker 11: You know, it took me twenty plus years to finally
Speaker 11: pay it off, and a lot of that was really
Speaker 11: only because we had a second income that afforded me
Speaker 11: that opportunity to be aggressive about paying it. Not everybody's
Speaker 11: in that situation. You know, it's it's really a balance,
Speaker 11: and I do think that there needs to be some
Speaker 11: change in how we finance higher education and what we
Speaker 11: expect as families and students young people, because they don't
Speaker 11: have the same economic situation that we did twenty years ago,
Speaker 11: thirty years ago. It's much harder now, and you know,
Speaker 11: no fault of their own.
Speaker 1: No, but you know, unless they're a professional student, that
Speaker 1: just keeps you truly dead, which is what Joe Biden
Speaker 1: wanted to do. He wanted to, you know, just excuse
Speaker 1: all these loans of people that were going for graduate
Speaker 1: degrees that never really and you know, at the expense
Speaker 1: of people that didn't send their kids to college or
Speaker 1: people actually pay their loan off. But you raise a
Speaker 1: great point. I think there's I believe it's Linda McMahon
Speaker 1: who's going to be his Secretary of Education. This is
Speaker 1: this is an excellent opportunity to not just throw money
Speaker 1: at a problem, which unfortunately what the outgoing administration wanted.
Speaker 2: To do, but fix the problem so that it's not
Speaker 2: a problem. And I think that's what people want. They
Speaker 2: want problems.
Speaker 1: This is an excellent opportunity to fix what you just said.
Speaker 2: I hope they do it. Yes, I hope they do it.
Speaker 6: I do too.
Speaker 11: I would love to see some real bipartisan solutions for
Speaker 11: the real working families of this nation. We're begging for it,
Speaker 11: right and it's it's not all just as sweep as
Speaker 11: the pen and everything is forgiven, but but really really
Speaker 11: looking at the root causes and then making those changes
Speaker 11: and implementing you know, transition to whatever plan they can
Speaker 11: come up with. I think it'll take both sides. It's
Speaker 11: not just the one for all. But you know, I
Speaker 11: think families need the help and kids need careers that
Speaker 11: can sustain, you know, future generations.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So, Christina Christina Etree tell us about scholarship, so you
Speaker 1: help at risk kids get ready for their lives, finding learning,
Speaker 1: career ready vocational jobs with associated undergraduate degrees. So it
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a little bit of counseling and a
Speaker 1: little bit of a boost up for maybe some kids
Speaker 1: that would not have the same opportunity as some others.
Speaker 2: How do people get a hold of you?
Speaker 11: So our organization students supply in their senior year. We
Speaker 11: have certain criteria that they have to adhere to. They
Speaker 11: need to be palgrant eligible, So we do look at
Speaker 11: their financial situation. We you know, counsel them on whether
Speaker 11: they should be making a two year start or if
Speaker 11: they're ready for a four year start. We provide academic
Speaker 11: advising and that's very customized to that student. We also
Speaker 11: provide some financial support for the duration of their time
Speaker 11: in their post secondary career, and you know, social and
Speaker 11: emotional resources should they need it, we find we help
Speaker 11: them find those resources. So we have a website scholarshot
Speaker 11: dot org. People are welcome to check us out, scholars.
Speaker 11: We're doing lots of great things.
Speaker 1: Dot com scholarshot dot org. All right, Christina, this was
Speaker 1: good stuff, and I thank you. You and I have
Speaker 1: talked about over the last few minutes. Comes to fruition
Speaker 1: because it looks like it's occasion as we know it
Speaker 1: right now is changing and unless you change weather, you're
Speaker 1: going to be left at the post.
Speaker 2: Christina, stay well, We appreciate you.
Speaker 11: Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You bet, you bet. Yeah, you got to find a job.
Speaker 1: That should be the number one goal of educate higher education.
Speaker 1: Help the student find a job. That's what you're investing in.
Speaker 1: And if it's not there at a four year school
Speaker 1: or a two year school and you want to go
Speaker 1: to a trade school, look, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: jobs out there, a lot of jobs. Two point fifty
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