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Speaker 1: How cool is that. I didn't even want to talk

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over the end of it. That is so cool. You

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can really groove to that. The track is called Ninth Sun.

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That is Nevaras, and or it might be Navarus. Let's see.

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I think we've got Augustin here with us. Augustin, are

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you there?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am, how are you good?

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Speaker 1: Good? Welcome to the show. I'm excited to talk to

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you because I've been grooving to this. I've been grooving

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to this four track EP sound session. The whole thing

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is so good.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man, I really appreciate that absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So let's clear this up right off the bat. You

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how do you say the name?

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Speaker 2: It's Nevarus. You know, it's an adaptation of my last

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name on my mother's side, which is Nevadas, which is

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like a proper Spanish name.

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Speaker 1: But gotcha.

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Speaker 2: I saw it misspelled on a piece of paper once

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and I needed to It's like my stage name was

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like Navarus. I just took it. I've had it ever since.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, that's cool, No, I dig it. I'm

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really curious about your recording process with this, So for

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people who are not familiar with you and how you

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recorded this EP, and I don't know if this is

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how you record everything, but your I mean, it's live.

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but it's also live in the sense that and I

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don't know how many people do this anymore, but you're

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all playing live at the same time. So there's no overdubs,

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there's no you know, it's not you know, one person's

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recording you know, guitar parts and then somebody else is

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doing the synth and all this. It's all live. I

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did watch the videos too, and I'm just I'm fascinated

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by that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was all live, no you know, no

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click track, no headphones. Interestingly, really played Yeah, no headphones,

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so we had bleed, which kind of you're kind of

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married to keeping it live at that point because you

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can't you can't edit it. It's it's so no headphones

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through amps, we could all hear each other live in

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the space, and you know, that's hard work for James

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de la Tacoma, who is the engineer, and Michael Black

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was filming it. It was something that none of us

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had tried. Nine people, and it was definitely a sort

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of an experiment, and once we did it and I

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took it back, I listened to it. I was like, man,

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this sounds unlike any of the stuff I've done for

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years where you overdub and you lose something. For sure.

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Speaker 1: Hm, that's incredible. So you've never done anything quite like

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this In terms of recording.

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and then working on the fifth, and then after that

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done with some form of live, you know. I never

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did it like layer by layer. Often it would be

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like the drum set the base, you know, just like

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the core group, and then on top of that you're

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just adding and adding and adding building, Right, That's how

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Speaker 1: Do you think that it's better to well, I mean

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this is all done live, like truly live. But do

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you think it's it's good to get either either do

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that or get as close to that as possible, because

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then you capture something that maybe you don't capture if

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where you are just doing one thing at a time

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why I'm curious about this is I know bands that

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you know, they they're really good live, but then you

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listen to their studio work and maybe it's not quite

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capturing the magic or the energy of the band's live performance,

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and you go, I wish these studio records really kind

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of captured that. I mean, how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've always tried, and you know I did.

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after sound session. We didn't fully go back to everybody

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so Locatronto and drums, Jonathan Maren, Bill Bernard and I

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the studio. I never do. If you go back too far,

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you're gonna lose all the spirit of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: And can you tell us too about working with Bill

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Bill Laswell, legendary producer and bassist on this and these songs.

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I mean he actually co wrote these with you, correct.

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wrote all these amazing bass lines, and then we had

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a lot of stuff that didn't make it on the record,

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was just a lot of material. And so my idea

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everybody and film it and document it. And then Bill's

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health has you know, he's been dealing with a lot

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of challenges. He hasn't really back to the studio, and

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no for note wow, but then he improvised on top

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of that. So I say, like the first part of

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every one of these songs is a straight Bill Laswell

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bassline and then he took it where it needs to go.

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Speaker 1: In terms of him coming in and doing that. Did

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least for the start of it, try to do what

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Bill was doing? Or I mean, how much latitude did

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bass players I've ever worked with. It's a super talented guy,

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and he learned everything, and he came with, you know,

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like an ipaddy and everything kind of ready to go

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exactly like on the recording, and I was like, don't

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don't worry about that. None of us are going to

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that's his baseline. And Bill has a vocabulary, baselines, and

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certainly took it wherever it needed to go in the moment,

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, tell us who about working with

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Speaker 2: He's the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the best.

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Speaker 2: He's the best. I met him through the great Bernie

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working with Bernie a number of times, which will always

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be the highlight experience. May he rest in peace. And

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along to hang out and just and Logic gave me

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this is dope, man, here's And then after that, for

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the first time we've been in the studio fair amount,

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and man, I love that awesome human beings just great

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person and phenomenal talent obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, clearly and everything. I mean, you know, you

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sit right in with what you were doing, that's for sure.

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Oh yeah. So now what's what is the live situation

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with this project? Are you playing these songs out live?

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Speaker 2: I've been doing I have been doing some shows. I

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think I have you know, four or five shows coming

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up this summer. I'm playing different tracks from sort of

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the full catalog of everything I've ever put out. And

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you know, there's a sort of iteration of the band

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that's that's been out there working a little bit, and

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we're doing it.

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Speaker 1: Oh outstanding, outstanding. And you're also the co founder of

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Knowledge Records. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? My brother and I started Knowledge Records a long

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time ago. It it you know, it doesn't do much

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except just uh, put out stuff that I work on. OK,

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someday there I'd love to do more. I'd love to

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figure out how to you know, there's so many talented

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artists around people that I know that I you know,

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it's I'd love to find some you know, wealthy billionaire

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that's like there, just take all this money and make

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Speaker 1: No doubt. And you're in an epicenter of music, right,

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I mean you're in New York, is that correct?

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and raised in New York. So I'm sort of doing

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are based out of New York. And you know, my family,

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of the city and I found that people are really

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there's a really great listener base when you get out

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of the city, and I'm trying to work with that more.

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Speaker 1: Right right, which is everywhere.

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Speaker 2: So that's everywhere.

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is wonderful. Yeah, and tell us about loud. You also

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have a project called loud Apartment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first kind of project name that

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own name. It's kind of Bill's fault that it ended

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up being my name again. And he was when he

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did reverberations. He was like, no, that's a cool name.

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of was like, okay, but I liked I used a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a cool name. I like it. Loud Apartment.

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Speaker 1: Cool name. So so Bill's one convince you to use Navarus.

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cool name. It is evocative of Santana. I like it. Yeah.

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the art to the song order. It's really cool. Like

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the years, and that's one of the things I loved

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about working with him is it was never just one

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a record from start to finish and all the different

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Speaker 2: Through a singer named Garrett Hawk ak Hawkman reggae singer,

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great singer, most known for Blowback with Tricky, all the

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reggae stuff on that. But he's he's been out there

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Bill mixed it and when I got the mill, when

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I got the mix back, I was like, oh man,

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this is this is who I need to work with

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and was very persistent in trying to figure out how

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to make that happen more consistently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well and apparently you succeeded. So that's that's wonderful, outstanding.

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So what's what's next for this project? Do you intend

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is great. Do you uh, is there going to be

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a follow up to this with the same sort of

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configuration and approach to doing it.

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Speaker 2: I think so, I think I would like to do

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it again, maybe the exact same configuration. It's it's fun

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let's let's try this one more time. Maybe play a

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little longer, put something together. In the meantime, I have

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a record coming out called mind Funk, which has a

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lot of the same guys. That's almost done and uh yeah,

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there's some very exciting surprise guests on that then talking

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about yet one of them is Booty Collins. I'll tell

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you that.

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Speaker 1: Really that's awesome playing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's playing bass on two of the tracks. I

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haven't really announced that yet, but yeah, he's he's going

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to be on it. So I am very excited to

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put this out and just I'm just trying to keep moving, man. Yeah,

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keep it moving.

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Speaker 1: That's what you gotta do. That's what you gotta do.

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Booty Collins, boy, talk about a legend. That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I know, it was a shock the track came back,

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and that is fully Bill Aswell's work. You know Bill

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is uh it's it's really been awesome to know him

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and you know you in terms of his health struggles.

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It's it's something you can do. I don't like to

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be the one to talk about it, but yeah, and

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read about it. There's go fund these and all you know,

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ways to support him. And you know, he's he's he's still,

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he's still you know, finding out how to keep creatively

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working and you know, keeping things happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Well, very good. Well listen, Augustin.

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We'll let you go in a moment, but let me

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ask you, well two things. First, let me ask you,

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where is the best place to go online for people

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to keep up with everything that you are doing, everything

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with navars and anything else that you want people to

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know about. Where should people go online to keep up

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with you?

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Speaker 2: Navars dot net and E V A R I S

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dot net that is where everything is. There's definitely music

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that is not on Spotify, not streaming that is there. Oh,

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I have four records on there. Uh, and I'm going

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to be posting all the shows coming up there and

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yeah that's the spot Oh fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Well that's easy. And the other question is what should

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we play at the end of our conversation. We played

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on ninth Sun to open, but I'm thinking so we've

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got there's document and there's remedy, doub orchestra. Might be

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a little longest, might be a little might be a

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little long for for the radio.

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Speaker 2: But but but I'll let you go for document document.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what anything special we should know about this track

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before we play it?

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Speaker 2: I think that that one was the chance to you know,

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play some more traditional Afro Cuban rhythms with Angel Rodriguez,

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the Great Angel Rodriguez on congas, So that was cool.

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And that's Jojo Cool also playing percussion, who played in

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Felous Band after Tony Allen. So you know there's some

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awesome people involved. And uh, there is a go fundme

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for Jojo because he just had an operation on his heart,

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so I shout that out. Cool if you look him up,

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he's playing on it, and uh, really just a great

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group of people. It was a joy to work on it.

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No no arguing, no stress, just playing music.

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic and you know the success of it is

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evident in the end result. So definitely definitely a good

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group of people you put together for this. Absolutely no,

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I love it. I love it. The EP is incredible.

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All right, Augustin, will let you go. We're going to

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hit that track, but I'm sure we will talk again

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as you're releasing new music. Sounds like you got a

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lot coming up, so we'll definitely have you back.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, I appreciate it. Have a beautiful day, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Augustin Navaras, thank you. We'll talk to you soon.

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Bye bye. All right. That is Augustine Navarus of the

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project Noavarus. Of course, check out sound session. It's a

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fantastic for a track EP. We're going to play another

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song from this right now, and this is called Document