1
00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,160
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you make them sound really cool when you say

2
00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,559
that I don't like.

3
00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,679
Speaker 2: These people, but that makes me sort of think that cool.

4
00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:10,720
Speaker 3: Well, they aren't.

5
00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:18,960
Speaker 4: And here we go ten nine eight seven RS twenty

6
00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:26,280
five injuries, late four three two one, Booster, Ignition and

7
00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:27,079
lift off.

8
00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:29,879
Speaker 3: The crew of Artemis two.

9
00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:30,920
Speaker 5: Now bound for the Moon.

10
00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:34,039
Speaker 4: Humanity's next great voyage begins.

11
00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:36,759
Speaker 3: It's the Ricochet Podcast with General C. W. Cook and

12
00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,439
Stephen Anerton.

13
00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,759
Speaker 6: James Wilax did theay we talk to John Malcolm at

14
00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:42,600
the Institute for the Rule of Law, So let's.

15
00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:43,359
Speaker 3: Have results a podcast.

16
00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:48,200
Speaker 7: Our enemies are losing in America as it has been

17
00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,479
for five years under my presidency, is winning and now

18
00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:53,960
winning bigger than ever before.

19
00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:57,119
Speaker 6: Welcome everybody. This is the Ricochet Podcast Episode build for

20
00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,520
seven hundred and eighty three. Why don't you join us

21
00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:02,280
at Ricochet from When's the Springs and you two can

22
00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,560
be part of the most stimulating conversations and community on

23
00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,120
the Internet. I'm James Alyx here in Minnesota for not

24
00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,799
the penultimate but soon to be penultimate and then ultimate

25
00:01:12,879 --> 00:01:13,560
episode from.

26
00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,239
Speaker 3: Minneapolis, and I'm joined by Charles C. W.

27
00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,280
Speaker 6: Cook in Florida and Stephen Hayward, who I believe is

28
00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,319
broadcasting from John at Hugh's office, which may explain the.

29
00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,120
Speaker 3: Tie on the wall on the hangar? Is that actual

30
00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,920
you neckwere that we're seeing here in the video feed.

31
00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:30,439
Speaker 5: It's actually you neckwhere and you books and you everything

32
00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:30,959
behind us.

33
00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,000
Speaker 6: So you go for you, good for you. I will

34
00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,120
get to the president's speech in a bit. He finally

35
00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:38,040
made that bully pulpit speech about around that people have

36
00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:40,200
been asking him to do. But first and foremost in

37
00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,560
my mind is the fact that.

38
00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,840
Speaker 8: It didn't blow up on the pad.

39
00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:48,280
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, We're going back to the moon. That was fantastic.

40
00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:52,840
That was absolutely stunning and stunning and brave, as they

41
00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,319
say the things that are neither, and we are indeed

42
00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:57,879
going back to the moon. And I'm curious with you guys,

43
00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:01,280
how you think this plays in the America consciousness right now,

44
00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:03,319
because I think this is a great moment to do it.

45
00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,799
I'm all in favor of spending huge amounts of money

46
00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:08,639
to put people on other planets. I always had been

47
00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,039
when I was a kid, I was just a space nut,

48
00:02:12,159 --> 00:02:15,800
and the site of them were rocketing into the heavens

49
00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:18,199
still thrills me and makes me glad to be an American,

50
00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:18,919
what say you?

51
00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was the same as you, James. I

52
00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,520
would get up at on the West Coast at five

53
00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,240
thirty in the morning, which is a lot for an

54
00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,840
elementary school kid to watch the Gemini launches and the

55
00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,800
Apollo launches. And partly that's because my dad actually worked

56
00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,159
on the project, like you know, many thousands of other

57
00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:39,199
Americans in those years. My dad had a small company

58
00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:42,719
that made some parts for the rocket stagings and even

59
00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:46,240
the parachute released timer and relay for the Apollo capsule,

60
00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,879
which was kind of an important thing if you think

61
00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:51,199
about it, right, yeah, right, right, And so you know,

62
00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:52,840
he was in the middle of the whole Apollo thirteen

63
00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,360
story that's dramatized in the film. Not in Houston, but

64
00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:57,639
you know, up all night with his engineers testing and

65
00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,000
retesting to see how low on average the thing would

66
00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:04,319
still work in that desperate situation. But I remember my

67
00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:06,759
dad saying later, I said, oh, why aren't you bidding

68
00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,439
on and trying to work on a space shuttle? And

69
00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:12,439
he said, NASA's becoming too bureaucratic and difficult to deal with.

70
00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:15,240
In the sixties, they were in a hurry, and they

71
00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,960
didn't have time to build in the stupid bureaucracy and

72
00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:21,280
slow things down and make it more expensive. And so

73
00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,120
my dad said no thanks by nineteen seventy four, and

74
00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:27,199
so that's where we are today. Are the costs for

75
00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,319
NASA's projects were way hired. And SpaceX and the other

76
00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,400
private sector efforts, and some of the stuff they're using

77
00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:35,800
they're contracting out to the private firms, as they did

78
00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,919
with the rockets in the sixties and seventies. But you know,

79
00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,360
I do think that NASA became ossified. But one story

80
00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,000
you may know about was Apollo twelve, the second mission

81
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,159
to land. I don't know, a minute after takeoff or

82
00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:53,360
thirty seconds the rocket got hit by lightning and everything

83
00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,599
went dead. And you know, today you would have said, well,

84
00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:59,199
you got to pull the punch the abort button. And

85
00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,199
instead they look aroun and the astronauts are rebooting things.

86
00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:03,560
And I have a bunch of twenty eight year old

87
00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,439
engineers with pocket protectors and I'll look around and do

88
00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:08,039
this and that, and I say, yeah, we're good to go.

89
00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,479
We would allow that to happen, right, I mean, now,

90
00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,680
we've had two bad accidents with the Shuttle of course,

91
00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,520
and so we're more risk averse than we were then.

92
00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:16,680
But still that was a different world then, and I

93
00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,480
think a better one.

94
00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:19,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, they had to reboot the operating system, all six

95
00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,959
hundred and forty two kilobytes of it, right, Charles, you

96
00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,519
know this is how I don't know how you feel

97
00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,279
about these things.

98
00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,319
Speaker 3: Growing up as a brit as you did.

99
00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:32,560
Speaker 6: You may have felt part of the anglosphere that made

100
00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,879
this possible, but you didn't have the same sort of

101
00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:37,680
flag waving raw rah, here we go go eagles sort

102
00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:40,600
of thing. I like Stephen, believe that Elon Musk is

103
00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,079
probably the future and he's going to get us to

104
00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,120
a Mars base. Starliner is an incredible piece of machinery.

105
00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:48,160
But still still I'm happy artemism in its way will

106
00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:48,759
be on its way.

107
00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,639
Speaker 2: I love it, I always have. I didn't feel part

108
00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:53,920
of it.

109
00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,439
Speaker 1: In fact, it was one of the things that made

110
00:04:55,439 --> 00:05:00,199
me realize how awesome America was. That's the kid, as

111
00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,759
they were the only country that had been to the

112
00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:06,560
Moon and they had the Space Shuttle, so I didn't

113
00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,920
have any stolen valor. I thought this was a distinctly

114
00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,240
American achievement. I wanted to be a part of it,

115
00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,079
but I wasn't.

116
00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:15,879
Speaker 2: Living in Florida.

117
00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:19,240
Speaker 1: It's been really fun because I'm in North Florida, so

118
00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,000
I'm not too far away from the Kennedy Space Center,

119
00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,800
and I'm close enough that i could just walk out

120
00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,240
the back of my house and.

121
00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,639
Speaker 2: Watch it go. And it looked pretty close.

122
00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:33,600
Speaker 1: So what we did is we put on the NASA

123
00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,040
app on the Apple TV, and then I sent the

124
00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:40,879
audio from it to every Sono speaker in the house,

125
00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:43,040
so it felt like we were in the control room.

126
00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,120
And then when it started going, we walked out the

127
00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,959
back door and watched it actually go up. It was

128
00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:51,519
immense fun. My kids were enthralled. Actually one of them

129
00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,360
there wasn't here with me. He was at a baseball

130
00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:56,920
practice and he said, and this is the most American

131
00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,319
thing I've ever heard in my life. My wife said,

132
00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:02,519
all of the kids at the baseball practice drop their bats,

133
00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:04,720
stop playing baseball for a moment, and looked up at

134
00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,160
the sky to watch the rocket go up.

135
00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:10,920
Speaker 6: That is America. That is absolutely America. Although you know,

136
00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:13,240
to be somewhat dark here for a second, I can

137
00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,040
imagine you watching it go up, and then there's a

138
00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,240
bright flash as it explodes and there's three seconds before

139
00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,920
your Sono's feed changes and you think, oh, I've got

140
00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,399
a lag problem here. I'm curious about what we're going

141
00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:26,199
to get for new technology. Are we going to get

142
00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:28,560
any tang out of this? Are we going to get

143
00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,560
the space pens that write upside down? And by the way,

144
00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,079
I'm always reminded that anecdote that people tell, you know, well,

145
00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,959
the Americans, the Americans, in their way, with all of

146
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,360
their money and their desire to solve problems that didn't

147
00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,519
need to be solved, invented the space pen that could

148
00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:43,800
write upside down and have ink go flow to the

149
00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,199
ball at any single angle. The Russians used a pencil,

150
00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,399
and we're supposed to say, oh, those crafty you know,

151
00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:53,519
those Russians really cutting through it, until somebody pointed out

152
00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,199
that's the worst thing you want to use because it

153
00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,000
releases microparticles of graphite which get into everything and clawed relays,

154
00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,439
which is why you know, the end of going down

155
00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,120
in flames and them telling nobody anyway.

156
00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:08,839
Speaker 5: So well, James, I'm looking forward to that old newspaper

157
00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:11,040
cliche from the sixties to make a comeback. You remember,

158
00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:13,120
it is any country that can land a man on

159
00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,439
the moon can solve x social problem? I always said

160
00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:18,319
the best version was any country that can land a

161
00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,759
man on the moon can abolish the income tax. But

162
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,920
then the problem that cliche was, we couldn't land a

163
00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:24,399
man on the moon for another fifty years.

164
00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,240
Speaker 9: So we can.

165
00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:25,920
Speaker 5: We'll bring it.

166
00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:27,839
Speaker 6: Back, We'll bring it back, and we'll so we'll have

167
00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,759
people with slide rules who are then trying to figure

168
00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:38,360
out exactly how to balance the federal budget. Right right, Well,

169
00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:40,120
enough about space, let's get back to Earth.

170
00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:40,959
Speaker 3: With John Malcolm.

171
00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,600
Speaker 6: John is vice president of the Edwin Meathes, the third

172
00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,519
Institute for the Rule of Law at Advancing American Freedom.

173
00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,920
John wilcome, Hi, good to see you guys.

174
00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:53,040
Speaker 8: Well, a little bit of shift at DOJ bondy out.

175
00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:56,839
Speaker 6: Reports are the President gave the news as the two

176
00:07:56,959 --> 00:08:00,319
drove to hear initial oral arguments before Scotus in that

177
00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:04,439
birthright citizenship case. What would you say about her performance

178
00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:05,920
and what do you believe was the reason that she

179
00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:06,920
was shown the door?

180
00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,480
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, Oh, a whole variety of reasons. She obviously

181
00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,600
hasn't had a great deal of success in terms of

182
00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,839
indicting some of the people on Donald Trump's enemies list.

183
00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,680
Certainly her handling of the Epstein files was something of

184
00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,600
a fiasco, but she helped drum up a lot of

185
00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:29,319
interest for the whole thing by, you know, saying that

186
00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,399
this was just a cover up and the Biden administration

187
00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:33,080
was hiding all of these records.

188
00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:35,600
Speaker 10: And then at one point she was talked about, you know.

189
00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,039
Speaker 9: A client list, and she said, it's right here on

190
00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,399
my desk and sitting right here, and you know, we'll

191
00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,720
be releasing all of this stuff soon. And then it

192
00:08:42,759 --> 00:08:44,919
came out in dribs and drabs and she said there

193
00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,720
was no client list, and there were all kinds of

194
00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,919
problems with the redaction. And so no matter what she

195
00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,879
did at that point, she was accused of covering up,

196
00:08:53,919 --> 00:08:57,440
and no doubt infuriated Donald Trump. And that's probably just,

197
00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,879
you know, one of several things that she did. She

198
00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:04,240
I think he tried to be a loyal soldier pursuing

199
00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,840
all of these investigations into the twenty twenty election, which

200
00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:15,000
clearly obsesses the president. She actually got indictments returned against

201
00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,639
Jim Comy and Latsia James, but they were dismissed and

202
00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,159
so for that and various other sundry reasons it was

203
00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:23,960
time for her to go.

204
00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,600
Speaker 5: Well, John can given the Trump really wants to use

205
00:09:29,639 --> 00:09:33,000
the DOJ to persecute his enemies, about which I have

206
00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:36,039
a certain political sympathy with. But the question is can

207
00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,960
anyone do the job that he seems to want done

208
00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:39,600
by DOJ?

209
00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:42,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's going to be very, very hard.

210
00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,799
Speaker 9: I mean he fired the US attorney, the appointed US

211
00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,879
attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia, because he said

212
00:09:51,879 --> 00:09:53,559
that he wasn't going to do it, that the evidence

213
00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,200
wasn't there to indict either Comy or James. He then

214
00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,559
installed somebody who had been a personal attorney for him,

215
00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,799
who had not been ever been a prosecutor at any

216
00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:07,080
point in her life, and got those indictments returned. And

217
00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,440
then a judge ended up saying that they were that

218
00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,600
she had not been validly appointed and threw the indictments out.

219
00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,159
At this point, with Respectacomy, I mean he was charged

220
00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,559
with perjury for testimony that he gave before Congress. The

221
00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,720
Statute of Limitations has run the charges against Letitia James.

222
00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:27,759
You hear that you might be they're looking into the

223
00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:30,799
same kind of charges against Senator Adam schiff from California.

224
00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,759
All I have to do with mortgage fraud kind of

225
00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,799
you know, weak charges. And then they attempted to bring

226
00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:45,279
an indictment against these six Democratic senators who had put

227
00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:49,360
out a video, you know, that said that soldiers should

228
00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,519
disobey illegal orders. And not only did a grand jury

229
00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,440
refuse to return an indictment.

230
00:10:56,159 --> 00:11:00,240
Speaker 10: But you're hearing that not a single grand juror.

231
00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,559
Speaker 9: Voted to return that indictment, which is remarkable. I mean,

232
00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,559
I'm a former federal prosecutor. I mean, you have a

233
00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:10,200
room of about twenty four citizens. You have to get

234
00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,000
sixteen of them to say just that, you know, it's

235
00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,600
more likely than not that a crime was The presentation

236
00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,200
is made entirely by government lawyers and government investigators, and

237
00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:25,759
not a single one thought that there was a case there.

238
00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,639
Speaker 5: So the head the headline, the headline is ham sandwich acquitted.

239
00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,559
Speaker 9: Right, that's exactly right, and sandwich not even presented on

240
00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:37,000
the menu.

241
00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:40,159
Speaker 6: Well, how much of that has Bondi's fault and how

242
00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,159
much of that, perhaps is just the case itself where

243
00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:45,519
people were disinclined to get the administration what they wanted

244
00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,919
for reasons.

245
00:11:47,159 --> 00:11:48,720
Speaker 9: Well, I think a lot of that had to do

246
00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:51,279
with had nothing to do with Pam Bondi in the

247
00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:55,240
same sense that you know, Janine Pirot, the US attorney

248
00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,120
in the District of Columbia, tried to bring felony charges

249
00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,759
against the dojmployee who has since been fired for throwing

250
00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,639
a sandwich at an ice officer.

251
00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:07,720
Speaker 10: Grand jury refused.

252
00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,120
Speaker 1: To let the ham sandwich off and then thrown at

253
00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:10,720
the officers.

254
00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,919
Speaker 9: They actually brought misdemeanor charges against him, which doesn't require

255
00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,240
a grand jury to return an indictment.

256
00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,919
Speaker 10: And the guy got acquitted for that. So you know,

257
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,840
some of these cases.

258
00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,759
Speaker 9: I do think that with respect to the Epstein files

259
00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,879
and the halting release of this and the over promising

260
00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,720
what they were going to show, she bears some responsibility

261
00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:33,919
for that.

262
00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:37,639
Speaker 2: I see a certain paradox here. On the one hand,

263
00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,399
a lot of the blame.

264
00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,600
Speaker 1: Has to be at Trump's feet, because Trump's obsessed with

265
00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,519
silly things, and he's asking his attorney general to do

266
00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,600
silly things, and when you ask somebody to do silly things,

267
00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:56,600
they very often get silly results. On the other hand,

268
00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:02,559
the conservative movement in general, and Trump in particular in

269
00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,840
some senses, has.

270
00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:05,720
Speaker 2: Goals that are quite hard to accomplish.

271
00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,639
Speaker 1: I think most of them are correct, but they are

272
00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:14,159
hard to accomplish because they require the unsettling and often

273
00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,759
the reversal of lots of precedents and bureaucratic habits. And

274
00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,879
you really need someone deft to do that. You need

275
00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:24,879
an Edwin Mees.

276
00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:25,559
Speaker 2: And so.

277
00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:34,279
Speaker 1: How much is this the product of Because Trump has

278
00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:36,559
a lot of silly ideas as well as good ones,

279
00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:40,960
He's not picking someone who he can tolerate, who is

280
00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,440
really exceptionally good, like you know, Bill Barr. I just

281
00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,879
looked at Pambondi, and I have nothing particular against her.

282
00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,120
I live in Florida. She was fine here, but she's

283
00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,000
not the person who's going to upend America in the

284
00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,519
Trumpian mold, right.

285
00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,519
Speaker 9: I think what you're talking about when you're talking about

286
00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:06,480
a Bill Barr or an Edwin mess it's a very different.

287
00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,480
Speaker 10: Kind of nominees.

288
00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:10,799
Speaker 9: So it was it used to be the case, particularly

289
00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,120
in a post Watergate era, that while attorneys general are

290
00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,519
part of the administration, are supposed to implement a president's

291
00:14:19,559 --> 00:14:22,600
policies in terms of, you know, defending laws that he's

292
00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:28,679
gotten passed or changing priorities in terms of prosecutorial direction

293
00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,799
that presidents were under no circumstances supposed to get involved

294
00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,960
in criminal investigations, and that was largely done to protect

295
00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,320
the integrity of the investigation and also protect them from

296
00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:48,440
political fallout. Donald Trump has blown through all of those barriers.

297
00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:48,639
Speaker 10: You know.

298
00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:50,840
Speaker 9: It used to be that you could only the president

299
00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:52,960
could only talk to the Attorney general, maybe the deputy

300
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:58,159
attorney general. There were protocols in place, you know, for

301
00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,960
how these things go. And now my understanding is that

302
00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,799
Donald Trump calls whoever he wants to in the Justice

303
00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:07,240
Department about anything he wants to. If he doesn't like

304
00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,159
the way the banner that they've hung of his face

305
00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,600
outside of the Justice Department, which I face by the

306
00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:13,639
way from my office, he can call the.

307
00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:18,240
Speaker 10: Janitor and ask him to, you know, rearrange it. And

308
00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,240
he just doesn't care.

309
00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,120
Speaker 9: I mean, he has supporters who will sit there and

310
00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:26,799
say that the Biden Justice Department, with some justification, weaponized

311
00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,440
the justice system, and that he is out to rectify

312
00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,240
all of that. And you know, certainly the way he

313
00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:36,320
appears to be rectifying it is by exacting enough pain

314
00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,440
against his Democratic opponents that everyone will cry uncle, and

315
00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,720
no one will ever do this again.

316
00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:44,879
Speaker 10: I don't think it's going to work. But anyway, so

317
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,600
a Bill Barr and an Edwin.

318
00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,559
Speaker 9: Meses, they honored those limits and they said this is

319
00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,799
for your good to protect the rule of law, and

320
00:15:57,039 --> 00:16:01,120
you will not ask questions about these investigations. And Bill Barr,

321
00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,360
of course had the guts to stand up both when

322
00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:09,559
it favored the president, by for instance, saying we're not

323
00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:13,279
going to diet on either the Russia Gate allegations or

324
00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,960
the obstruction of justice allegations, even though Muller had at

325
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,879
least suggested that the latter was potentially prosecutable. But he

326
00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:23,039
also had the guts to stand up to Donald Trump

327
00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,159
and say, there is no evidence of massive fraud in

328
00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,240
the twenty twenty election, and you know, we're not going

329
00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,000
to pursue it, and if you want my resignation, here

330
00:16:33,039 --> 00:16:33,360
it is.

331
00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:34,879
Speaker 10: And the president accepted it.

332
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,000
Speaker 1: But they're also brilliant, right, I mean, there were brilliant people.

333
00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,159
And I think that's one thing I'm driving at is

334
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,120
I found it really frustrating with Trump because he won.

335
00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,159
He got his revenge in my opinion, by winning, and

336
00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,720
he has all of these ideas, some of which are important,

337
00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:50,919
some of which are the ideas that the conservative movement

338
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,679
has had for years and that he has just picked up.

339
00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,600
And I just I'm asking that's not going to get

340
00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,720
done by Pam Bondi or Matt Gates who never got there.

341
00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,640
You need someone who is a hard core heavyweight. And

342
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,000
I'm just is Trump going to pick this guy or

343
00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,000
is he going to fail? Because it seems to me

344
00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:11,440
that he's going to fail.

345
00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,119
Speaker 10: Well, I'm not so sure.

346
00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,960
Speaker 9: The company who's intelligent is going to still get him

347
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,319
what he wants. I mean, look, there are many many

348
00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,720
respects in which this president is exerting executive authority. He's

349
00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:26,240
challenged all kinds of norms in coordinat He's actually won

350
00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:29,240
a fair number of these challenges, and he's likely to

351
00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:31,559
win more. He lost on the tariff case, he may

352
00:17:31,599 --> 00:17:35,319
lose on birthright citizenship, he might lose Lisa cookcase. But

353
00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,960
he's going to win more more often than not on

354
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,799
the cases that he has been bringing, and they have

355
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,960
certainly been very, very aggressive.

356
00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,839
Speaker 10: But whether he picks Todd.

357
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:51,920
Speaker 9: Blanche or Harmie Dillon or Zelden or Janine Piro, you know,

358
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,920
I these kind of personal vendetta stuff.

359
00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,200
Speaker 10: I think that the I of the person whom he appoints.

360
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I don't mean stuff that's all silly.

361
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,160
Speaker 1: I just mean the rest of the agenda that he

362
00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,960
has is benefits from a very smart ag.

363
00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:08,400
Speaker 10: Oh that is true.

364
00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:11,440
Speaker 9: Anyway, Look, they've been very good about the cases that

365
00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,039
they have been bringing.

366
00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:14,519
Speaker 10: I mean, they're losing in.

367
00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:17,559
Speaker 9: All of these district courts because the challengers are being

368
00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:20,640
strategic about where they're filing these cases, but they're winning

369
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,680
most of them the appellate level and certainly at the

370
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,279
Supreme Court. And that shows there's some very smart attorneys

371
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,640
who are picking and choosing which cases to bring and

372
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,359
when to file.

373
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,880
Speaker 5: Well, how about this John If we want a big

374
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,480
name or Charlie. If we want a big name for

375
00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:35,799
ag why don't get one from the past. How about

376
00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:39,799
a guy named Robert F. Kennedy.

377
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,000
Speaker 10: He's a big fact that I know.

378
00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,119
Speaker 5: I know, I can I switch gears to the Supreme

379
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,720
Court John for a bit, because that's the other thing

380
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,640
on our mind this week. So, I mean, everyone I

381
00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,480
think in the media would say Pam Bondi had the

382
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,480
worst week in Washington, but actually I think Katanji Brown

383
00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:00,359
Jackson had the worst week in Washington. Because going to

384
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,279
last a lot longer. And so first you had the

385
00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:05,039
eight to one decision early in the week on the

386
00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:09,240
Colorado statute that tried to ban conversion therapy, and not

387
00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,039
only was she the soul of the santan a rather

388
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,200
dumb one, but even Justice Kagan couldn't take it any longer.

389
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,000
And then a footnote swattered her down. I thought, boy,

390
00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:19,519
that really shows you what what a blunder Biden made

391
00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:21,680
putting her on the court. And then in the birthright

392
00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:25,519
citizenship case, she said some of the silliest things. I

393
00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:27,359
want to go through that case more seriously with you.

394
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,319
But so there's that, And you don't have to spend

395
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,440
a time en if you don't want to. But let's

396
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,279
go through these two cases. I think that first one

397
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,240
being eight to one was pretty significant because a lot

398
00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:40,359
of Blue states want to I tend to avoid the

399
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,640
language of the LGBTQ agenda, but there really is one

400
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,960
at worked behind these statutes, right, They're trying to really

401
00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:51,480
enforce a specific ideological, identitarian orthodoxy, and the Court did well.

402
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,240
Inness I think I assume you're following all of these

403
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,160
as you usually do.

404
00:19:55,839 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 9: Yeah, Look, a Colorado in particular is aggressive in this agenda.

405
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,519
They went after films, the baker, they went after the

406
00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:06,480
woman who had three h three creative, the website, and

407
00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:13,119
now there's there's this case Childs versus Salazar. Look, I

408
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,920
Kittanji brown Jackson would not have been my pick. My

409
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,920
former employer has said that I actually said that she

410
00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:21,519
was a good pick. I never said that she was

411
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,960
a good pick. All I said was since she was

412
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,720
not the most radical nominee in the history of Supreme

413
00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:29,400
Court nominees, that probably could have easily gone, for instance,

414
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,279
to Ruth Bader Ginsburg over Katanji Brown Jackson. But she's

415
00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:36,599
there now, she is life tenured. An eight to one

416
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,359
decision doesn't always mean that you are wrong. I you know,

417
00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:43,720
Justice rolled her in Morrison versus Olsen. I think that

418
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,759
that time that his descent has stood the test of time.

419
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,559
But you know, she's not only going to be there

420
00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:54,160
next week or next month, giving someone else an opportunity

421
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,200
to take her place as having had the worst month.

422
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,440
But she's going to be there for as long as

423
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,720
she wants to be there. I suppose now that Pam

424
00:21:01,759 --> 00:21:05,359
Bondi is on the hot seat, the two people who

425
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,319
are most happy about that are Christy Norman, Corey Lewandowski.

426
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 5: Well right, I say that Katanji Brown Jackson will be

427
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,000
longer legacy of Biden than Hunter Biden's paintings. Yes, that's

428
00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:21,160
not right now. The birthright citizenship case, I was on

429
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,559
an airplane and so I couldn't hear it. So I've

430
00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:25,799
caught some snippets, but it doesn't sound like it went

431
00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:29,519
very well. What and you know, brena tea leaves is

432
00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:34,079
always a doubtful thing to do because they often surprise you.

433
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,839
But what's your sort of first pass handicap of the thing.

434
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 9: Well, going into it, I thought it was highly likely

435
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,400
that the administration would lose.

436
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 10: I think, by the way, they actually have a very

437
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:44,759
strong argument.

438
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, people like my colleague Amy Swearer

439
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,240
has written Lord of your articles on this, Ywan Worman,

440
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,599
Randy Barnett, Kurt lash and very very serious scholars. I

441
00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,880
think that there is, you know, within the raised subject

442
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,039
to the jurisdiction thereof a notion of allegiance that was

443
00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:08,279
discussed in the fourteenth Amendment was adopted, and there were

444
00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:12,440
a few of the justices, Justice Alito, Justice Thomas, although

445
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,079
he didn't say a whole lot who you know, appeared

446
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,480
to take those arguments seriously.

447
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 10: I still think that it's.

448
00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 9: Likely that the administration will lose this case. Jonathan Turley

449
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,680
thinks that the administration actually is going to win, but

450
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,319
he appears to be a sole voice out there. But

451
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,079
you know, as they dig into these briefs, there were

452
00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:34,480
a lot of Amikis breeze files.

453
00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 10: Some of them were really quite good. You know, they

454
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,839
may change the mind.

455
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,799
Speaker 9: I mean you mentioned before about the child versus Salizar case.

456
00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:44,279
I mean, if you had told me after that oral

457
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,759
argument that Sonya Soto Mayor was going to join with

458
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,759
the majority, I would have said you were crazy, based

459
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:50,519
on the questions that she asked. And yet she did

460
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:52,519
end up joining the majority in that case. So I

461
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,599
think it's likely the administration will lose a birthright citizenship case,

462
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,480
but I think it's closer than many people think and

463
00:22:59,160 --> 00:22:59,519
will soon.

464
00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 5: Well, now you make an interesting point. You mentioned Elan

465
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:08,759
Worman and Richard Epstein has joined the right, and this

466
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,039
used to be a very fringe theory limited to my friends,

467
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:13,440
who really I think in the first to come up

468
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,960
with a thirty years ago Editler and John Eastman right,

469
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,640
and now it's kind of gone mainstream, and you have

470
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,920
people like Richard Epstein and Illin Worman and several other

471
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,119
people you mentioned. I also think back to a case

472
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:26,400
and I wonder if Trump loses this case, I wonder

473
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,799
if it might have the effect of the loss in

474
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:31,640
the Kilo case twenty years ago. You remember that case

475
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,720
that ij brought for using emminent domain, and they were

476
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,119
sure they were going to lose. And I thought they'd

477
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,599
be lucky to get two votes, would be ecstatic with three,

478
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,400
and they got four yea. And what happened then was

479
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,039
a political backlash, right, A lot of states changed their laws. Now.

480
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,279
I don't know if a loss in this case, I mean,

481
00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:50,480
I think if if you lose, it's going to propel

482
00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:52,799
this argument forward. And I keep going back to what

483
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,200
I hear about in California lot and Trump's talked about.

484
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,400
It is the birthright tourism of the rich Chinese. For example, right,

485
00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,000
see how under any common sense understanding of subject to

486
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,200
the jurisdiction or off could apply to people who come

487
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,599
here for a week with you know, companies that organize

488
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,400
this in China to have a baby. So you can

489
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,079
get the option of the United States citizenship later and

490
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:15,599
then just leave on the next plane out of town. So,

491
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,079
you know, other aspects of this. For you know, a

492
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,920
Mexican family it's been living and working here for two years,

493
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,480
that's that's different and more difficult. But it seems to

494
00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:28,119
me that at least on that birth rights tourism phenomenon

495
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,279
going on, that somewhere, there's got to be a change

496
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:35,000
in that. And maybe it's legislative, maybe it's constitutional, always harder,

497
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,079
but it seems to me that even a loss is

498
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,880
going to be advanced the ball down the field.

499
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, certainly as a political matter at my birth

500
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,759
tourism is a reality. You know, it depends did Trump

501
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:51,599
administration loses. It depends to some degree on how it loses.

502
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 3: Whether they write, well, just as.

503
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,839
Speaker 9: A constitutional matter, anybody who's born on our shores, except

504
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:02,039
if you're an ambassador's to or an invading army, you

505
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:02,799
are a citizen.

506
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,039
Speaker 10: Then that's it. It would require a constitutional amendment.

507
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,039
Speaker 9: If they sit there and say, well, you know, if

508
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:09,720
you're a temporary sojourner here and you really don't have

509
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:13,559
any status, you're not domiciled here, you haven't been there

510
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:18,160
for a while, that maybe Congress under you know, Class

511
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,039
five or the fourteenth Amendment can pass some legislation on that,

512
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:23,039
then maybe you can do something legislatively.

513
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:32,839
Speaker 1: Do you think that the Trump administration's position, which is

514
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:37,000
in line I think with the mainstream rights position on

515
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:44,119
the unitary executive is going to survive. We've got a

516
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,799
case with the Federal Reserve where I think that the

517
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,880
argument shouldn't be any different for the Federal Reserve than

518
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,480
for any other agency. But I suspect it will be

519
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:01,960
practically just because the Federal Reserve of works well and

520
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,799
there's so much faith in it, and the United States

521
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,880
has the reserve currency and so forth.

522
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in this because I'm very much.

523
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Of the view that the unitary executive theory is correct.

524
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:18,200
But I'm a little bit nervous that we're going to

525
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,920
start seeing these exceptions which over time will eat away

526
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,480
at the whole.

527
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 9: So I don't you know, Look, I don't think there's

528
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,640
anything particularly novel about the unitary executive theory.

529
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,559
Speaker 10: It wasn't hatched out of thin air.

530
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,559
Speaker 9: I mean, it just is, you know, article to invest

531
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:37,119
the executive hour in a president of the United States,

532
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,759
So there's nothing magical about that. I think you are

533
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,640
a right, and it's there's the one case involving the

534
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,119
head of the marriage System's Protection Board, and you know

535
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,319
the the FTC about whether you can fire somebody from

536
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,519
an independent agency for a cause the Federal Reserve. That

537
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,680
case is different against Lisa Cook because the president is

538
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,440
according to have cause against her and it says I

539
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,119
get to make the determination about what's caused and how

540
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,880
much due processes do. I think he may lose that case,

541
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,519
but he didn't attempt to fire her without cause. Now,

542
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,519
John Sower was asked during that argument, Hey, what's the

543
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:17,480
diff you know, I mean, you're arguing.

544
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,039
Speaker 10: That we could fire her, you could fire her without cause.

545
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,799
Speaker 9: And he said, no, we're not making that argument, and

546
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:26,759
it was just kind of left hanging out there. I

547
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,960
don't see what the big difference is other than the

548
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,880
political argument that you make, which is some people may say,

549
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:42,240
you know, the Federal Reserve is just too important touch.

550
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:46,799
But look, that did not stop Janine Piro, probably at

551
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:52,480
the direction of Pam Bondi, from issuing subpoenas to the

552
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,160
Federal Reserve that basically implied that they were going to

553
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,240
charge their own Powell with perjury. That's certainly an attempt

554
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,759
to Many people said, well, this is really just an

555
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:06,680
attempt to bully the Federal Reserve. They weren't firing thro

556
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,359
home Powell, but they were just threatening to indict him

557
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:14,839
of bringing pressure. But if they win that pace against

558
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,119
you know, on the independent agencies and the ability to

559
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,759
remove somebody without cause, then I suppose the Federal Reserve

560
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,119
is fair game and the future president maybe this one

561
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:27,960
will decide to test it out.

562
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: Trying to think of what other big ones are left

563
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,279
out there? It's only early April. Are there anymore big

564
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,279
cases still to we argued John, I know we're going

565
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,279
to wait till the end of the June as usual

566
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:39,640
were some of the big ones. But what's still left

567
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,759
to we argue, that's a big one. I've lost track.

568
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 9: Well, the president just granted not the president, the court

569
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,079
just granted cert like two weeks ago, but ordered argument

570
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,920
for the second week in April for a case about

571
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,960
whether the president can end the temporary protective status right

572
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:03,480
or for all kinds of you know, aliens from different countries.

573
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,319
You know, it's supposed to be temporary protective status, but

574
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,000
of course in Washington there's very very few temporary things,

575
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,119
and people have been there for years and you the

576
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,640
presidents have said, okay, I'm going to end through the

577
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,319
secretary who was Kirsty Gnome now would be Mark Wayne Mullen.

578
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720
We're going to end temporary protective status for all these

579
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,720
people who they're no longer in danger.

580
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 10: National disasters, natural disasters are over. You know, we're ending this.

581
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 9: And a bunch of lower court judges said, oh no,

582
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,359
you can't do that. You didn't follow proper procedure. Well,

583
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,799
there's a statute in place that says that a judge

584
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:43,519
cannot question the Secretary of DHS secretaries discriminations to grant

585
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:49,359
or terminate or extend temporary protective status. And twice the

586
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,440
Supreme Court lifted injunctions by lower court judges, but that

587
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,559
that did nothing. District Court judges kept right on granting

588
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:03,640
these injunctions. The Second Circuit allowed that injunction to stand,

589
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,480
and I think the Court is going to say enough

590
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:08,839
is enough. This statute is very clear that judges have

591
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,759
no role in this, and that's what it means. So

592
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:14,200
that's an important case. Obviously, millions of people will be

593
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,279
affected by that, and that's going to be argued I

594
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:18,000
think next week.

595
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:24,359
Speaker 1: So That's quite an interesting issue because we had a case,

596
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:29,240
the first birthright citizenship case that wasn't where the matter

597
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:35,039
of injunctions was raised and supposedly limited. And yet I

598
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,640
still see people throwing their hands up and saying, Ah,

599
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:39,359
the lower courts are out of control.

600
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: They either won't.

601
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: Uphold president or they keep intervening and arrogating themselves and

602
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,240
enjoining clear legal uses of executive power. So did that

603
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,160
casse A case have a lot less force than we

604
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,759
were told it did, or are we just seeing the

605
00:30:58,799 --> 00:30:59,680
around the edges?

606
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,319
Speaker 10: Except well, I think it was an important and important case.

607
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 9: I mean, nationwide injunctions have been around for a while,

608
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:10,119
but they were really just out of control in this administration.

609
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,279
But there were still other avenues, uh, class actions, et cetera.

610
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,599
A state or a judge determining if there were many

611
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,960
states involved that you couldn't grant complete relief without basically

612
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,680
imposing a nation wide injunction. That left room for this

613
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,079
sort of sort of shenanigans by lower court judges. And

614
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,160
you know, the lower court judges will sit there and say, well,

615
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,319
all of these rulings are not the CASA case, but

616
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:41,160
these rulings lifting these injunctions, you know, their interim orders,

617
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,200
and we're not really getting any reasoning as to why

618
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,200
they're granting these issuing why they're granting these different orders.

619
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,559
So hey, we're trying our best until you give us

620
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960
greater clarity. I think some of that's a bit nonsense.

621
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,880
I mean, you know, you can hear the music as

622
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,039
well as anybody and know what kind of tune they're

623
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:01,519
playing and should be able to govern yourselves accordingly.

624
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 10: But you know, district court judges their life tenure too.

625
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,079
Speaker 9: They're going to do what they're going to do, and

626
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:08,839
I think the Supreme Court this time is going to

627
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:10,759
put an end to this. John.

628
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:13,799
Speaker 6: Let's talk about where you work advancing American freedom.

629
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 9: Now.

630
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 6: According to my little website here, you're located on eight

631
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,799
to one Pennsylvania Avenue, right next to the FBI building,

632
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,839
which some regard as restricting American freedom. So there's a

633
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
nice little, you know, push pull thing going on. There

634
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,559
must be some static electricity in the middle of the street.

635
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,440
Tell us more about this institution, and specifically the Institute

636
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,960
for the Rule of Law, because that is one of

637
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,440
the things that we like to think characterizes the United States.

638
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,519
Imperfect though it maybe separates us from other places. And

639
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:42,920
is it inherited tradition that goes back to Roman times?

640
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,039
Is it imperiled this rule of law? Has it always

641
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:48,000
been so? And people always looked upon it a bit

642
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,119
of scance and say, it's two tier, it's rigged. Where

643
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,599
are we Let's let's start there. Where are we rule

644
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,480
of law wise in America is compared to where we've been.

645
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,079
Speaker 10: Well, it's interesting you talk about the push and pulse.

646
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:04,359
Speaker 9: We're across the street from the FBI, we are caddy

647
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,720
cornered to the Department of Justice. And we're also across

648
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,559
the street from the National Archives where the Constitution sits.

649
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:12,839
So the Mease Institute for the Rule of Law obviously

650
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,160
named after Edwin Mee, seventy fifth Attorney General of the

651
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:18,680
United States. I used to be in charge of the

652
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,920
meet Center at the Heritage Foundation. We've all come over

653
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,039
to Advancing American Freedom. The organization doubled in size when

654
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:28,599
we did, and it's was founded five years ago by.

655
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 10: Former Vice President Mike Pence.

656
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 9: And in terms of the rule of law, you know,

657
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,160
we care about things like the issues that we've been

658
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,880
discussing judicial overreach. Executive Branch overreach, re empowering, or giving

659
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:43,000
Congress a backbone so that it starts to exercise it's

660
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:48,599
constitutional prerogatives. We care about things like judicial interpretation, promoting

661
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,799
originalism and originalist scholarship. You know, that's important, the non

662
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,240
weaponization of the Justice Department. I'm a former federal prosecutor.

663
00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,799
I was for seven years. I was an assistant US attorney.

664
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,799
I was a deputy Assistant Attorney General, just like John

665
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,440
Yut in the Bush administration. We were colleagues, you know,

666
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,039
very important that the rule of law be upheld, particularly

667
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,199
when you have the ability to incarcerate someone and take

668
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,039
away their liberty interests. And we work with the conservative

669
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:20,280
people in the conservative legal movement to try to bolster

670
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,000
their efforts to put forward what we think are correct

671
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,519
and defensible positions in a whole host of areas.

672
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 6: Is there a golden moment in which the rule of

673
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,159
law in America was probably at its apex?

674
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,639
Speaker 3: It was applied fairly behind the scenes.

675
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 6: There were no men meeting in rooms with cigars and

676
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,800
whiskey to determine how a case should go. Or is

677
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,840
it pretty much always been an imperfect thing, you know,

678
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,039
this crooked timber, etc.

679
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,599
Speaker 9: Well, I think there used to be a perception that

680
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,519
when you were appointing life tenured federal judges that you

681
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,320
look for things like qualifications and not for things like

682
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,400
you know, do you think they were going to agree

683
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,679
with you as a political matter on this issue or

684
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,119
that issue. That certainly appears to have broken down. So

685
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,400
you have some judges who I don't think ought to

686
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,599
be on the bench. Who are they are? And they're

687
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,559
going to do what they're going to do. But look,

688
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,800
I think this Court is a solid court. Certainly from

689
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:20,159
the perspective of being an originalist. It's the strongest the

690
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,360
court has perhaps ever been. I mean, even a Katachi

691
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,159
Brown Jackson during the confirmation hearing talks like an originalist.

692
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:29,119
In Helena Kagan says, we're all originalists. Now, some are

693
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,159
more rigorous in how they practice it. But I think

694
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,119
the Supreme Court they are not cowed, particularly by this president.

695
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:40,400
I mean Neil Gorsichi Cony Barrett, he said after the

696
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,840
Tarwer cakes that they were an embarrassment to their families.

697
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,320
I don't think that either that or his showing up

698
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,119
at court the birthright citizenship case is going to make

699
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:49,000
any difference in.

700
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 10: Terms of how they're going to rule.

701
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,559
Speaker 9: I think they have a backbone, So I think the

702
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,079
rule of law is in pretty good hands at the moment.

703
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 10: With the Supreme Court at the lower court, it's more

704
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,280
of a mix.

705
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 6: Let's talk about advancing American freedom at the of the

706
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:03,400
organization under which you are tucked or in which you

707
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,800
are tucked. If you had one issue that you had

708
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,840
to work upon to advance American freedom, the one thing

709
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,119
that says this is where we're losing the most.

710
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: What would it be?

711
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 9: Well, the thing about advancing American freedom and with with

712
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:21,119
Mike Pence, is that you know, it is a principled

713
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:26,679
conservative organization, unapologetic about that. And there are times when

714
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,679
the president does things which we support, when they attracted

715
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,639
Nicholas Maduro from Venezuela fighting the war in Iran. There

716
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,360
are times when he does things that we do not support,

717
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:42,960
the tariffs, taking equity positions in companies, and we feel

718
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,880
we feel free to advance arguments to support our positions,

719
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,199
and you know, let the chips ball where they may.

720
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:55,079
There are other organizations that are out there that do

721
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,840
not follow that practice.

722
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 6: This may sound petty and small minded, but sometimes those

723
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,360
of us here, you know, think that the restrictions in

724
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,519
an American freedom can be something as quotidian as a

725
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,639
light bulb or the ability of the chargement to flush

726
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:10,840
with gusto. Is this one of those things that you

727
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,800
look at. I mean, when you cast your eye upon

728
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,440
the great American country, you can see, of course, legislative

729
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,679
initiative laws things that restrict American freedom.

730
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: But there's also the matter in.

731
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,119
Speaker 6: Which the regulatory state has so many little effects on

732
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,719
people that we get pinned in a little bit more

733
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,280
by these things.

734
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,159
Speaker 3: Trumps did a lot to take to get rid of that.

735
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 6: I would saying, but is that a plane in which

736
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:33,679
you involve, engage or are you more concerned of things

737
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,280
at a more stratospheric level.

738
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 9: Oh no, no, no, We certainly fight back against overreach

739
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,159
by the administrative state. It's not only President Trump in

740
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,679
terms of his deregulatory effort that I think made some

741
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,159
significant advances there.

742
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 10: The Supreme Court has tried to return power.

743
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 9: To Congress through the Major Questions doctrine, through overturning Chevron

744
00:37:56,599 --> 00:38:00,280
deference with the Lower Right, and relentless cases and sitting

745
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,159
there and saying, you know, look, Congress, you can't just

746
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,679
pass vague laws and then go home and fundraise. You know,

747
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,679
if you're going to hand over vast quantities of power,

748
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,719
you're going to have to be explicitly clear that you're

749
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,280
doing that and why you are doing that, and lay

750
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,199
down some intelligible principles that an agency can impost. And

751
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,400
then we'll decide whether or not you had the you know,

752
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,079
the Congression, whether you had the consers and authority to

753
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,920
delegate that. So all of this is an attempt to

754
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,079
reign in the administrative state. I hope that Congress seizes

755
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:37,440
that opportunity. I hope that the courts take loweror Bright

756
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:40,320
seriously and say, Okay, we're now going to look at

757
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,239
laws and implementing regulations, and we're going to come up

758
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,480
with our best interpretations and not just defer to an

759
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,440
interpretation by an agency that walls within the realm were reasonable,

760
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:55,119
even if it's not the best interpretation. In terms of

761
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:58,079
things that I worry about, I worry on both the

762
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:01,360
right and the left that there appear to be arguments that,

763
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,199
you know, I'm not that apocalyptic.

764
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,679
Speaker 10: I think that we've had tough.

765
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 9: Times and we're going to continue to move along throughout

766
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,800
different administrations. But to have people on the right and

767
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,119
on the left who seem to think if we don't

768
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,239
seize the reigns of power and do absolutely everything we

769
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,840
can now during the Biden administration, during the Trump administration,

770
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,800
all is lost and we might as well just, you know,

771
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:30,679
give up and cease being a country. And I fight

772
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,039
back against against that. I think these are important fights

773
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:34,360
that we have.

774
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 10: But I do not believe.

775
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 9: I do not believe that everybody who espouses a different

776
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,920
view from me is necessarily evil. Nor do I believe

777
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,480
that if I lose an argument on a particular issue

778
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,440
at a particular time, that that's it.

779
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,599
Speaker 10: The world as we know it will never be the same.

780
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 6: Well, I agree with a lot of what you say,

781
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,760
particularly having Congress voting on these things as opposed to

782
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,599
delegating to an EPA guy who says that your backyard

783
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:01,000
inflatable kittie pool is a wetland and can taken away.

784
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,599
So yes, indeed, all right, John Malcolm, thanks a lot.

785
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,639
Usually on the way out here, we say, and don't

786
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:08,800
forget to read his book or his recent paper. And

787
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,519
so the next time we have you, we would like

788
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,480
you to have a book done so that we can

789
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:12,880
read it.

790
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,119
Speaker 3: More about the Rule of Life.

791
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 10: I tell you what a good thing to start a

792
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,320
right here? Yeah, well, is the Heritage Guide to the Constitution.

793
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,519
Speaker 9: This is something that I edited with Josh black Men

794
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,679
while it was still at the Heritage Foundation. I'm very,

795
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,119
very proud of this, and anybody who wants to understand

796
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,719
originalist arguments and understand the Constitution better, they can look

797
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,119
at it clause by clause, and I would encourage people

798
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:38,719
to get this book and read it.

799
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 5: But I edited it heatedly endorsed John. I assigned that

800
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,960
to students. I use it myself a lot. It is

801
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,440
one of the best resources. And I'm so glad you

802
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,480
guys did the new edition.

803
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 6: Thank you fantastic, John. Thanks for joining us today. We

804
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,719
hope to have you back in the future. Good luck,

805
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,360
and we'll.

806
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 3: Talk to you later. Bye bye.

807
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 10: Sounds great.

808
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 8: Well, before he mentioned there.

809
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,679
Speaker 6: Briefly the one in Iran, which apparently advancing American Freedom

810
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,159
is for we are at war in the prision and.

811
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: Finally gave that bully pulpit speech.

812
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: A lot of people that had been asking him to

813
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,880
do stood up there and uh restination and said, and

814
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,119
I quote here, I said a lot about things about

815
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,800
the you know armed forces, swift.

816
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: Decisive victory.

817
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,039
Speaker 6: It's the Navy's gone, air force and ruins. He said,

818
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,800
their command and control of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard course

819
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,679
is being decimated as we speak. And then talking about

820
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:28,480
the Strait of Horror moves, he said, you know, when

821
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,000
it comes to that oil, we don't need it. We

822
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:33,000
don't need it to We've he said, quote, we've beaten

823
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:36,239
and completely decimated Iran. They are decimated both military and

824
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,639
economically in every other way in the countries of the world.

825
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: To receive oil to the.

826
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 6: Strait must take that passage. But take care of that passage. Uh,

827
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,840
use it for yourselves, he said. Iran has been essentially decimated.

828
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,360
Here we have the clip from the Princess Bride where

829
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,840
you keep using that word. All right, and I know

830
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,599
this is the least important thing upon which to fasten,

831
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,480
but I have would either like you to weigh in.

832
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: On whether we've lost the word decimate as well.

833
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, sadly, I'm afraid we have. It's like using impact

834
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,800
as a verb. I've been against that forever and I've

835
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,559
lost the other phrase that's now thirty years old, is

836
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:18,599
we're going to grow the economy. It's just it's fingernails

837
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:21,679
on the blackboard to me, I wash all these.

838
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,519
Speaker 8: I be amused by what you said.

839
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:24,079
Speaker 3: There.

840
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: Yes, nauseous nauseated one upon which I insist, but I

841
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,519
have lost there's all manner of these, and I drive

842
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,559
my kids crazy by insisting upon them.

843
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: But yes, we've lost.

844
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: That nauseous and nauseated.

845
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 6: Of course, if you are not if you are poisoned,

846
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,599
you know, poisonous and poison poisonated. Yeah, somebody corrected me

847
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:49,639
on that once and I can't not undo it. And

848
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,599
it's it's a it's a tremendous burden.

849
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: Isn't a gentleman to watch?

850
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,679
Speaker 2: Momentarily, James? Momentarily? There is another one that is wrong.

851
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,159
Speaker 1: But I feel bad about this because at Disney World

852
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:05,599
they still have that old great voice that they had

853
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:06,320
from the fifties.

854
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: They still use it.

855
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,599
Speaker 1: On the trams that take you from the parking lot, and.

856
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: It says the tram will be here momentarily, which.

857
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: Is wrong, which is wrong, But I mean, we can't

858
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,079
go back and get him to re record because he's dead,

859
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,440
but he should re record it. It won't be here momentarily,

860
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:24,039
it will be here in a moment and then it

861
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:26,480
will stay here until it's taken you to the front.

862
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 8: Who is that Paul Footies who did the voice for that?

863
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,840
It might be it might be because Paul Freeze.

864
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 6: Did the Haunted, did the Haunted mansion quite quite nicely.

865
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,000
He was all over the place, the man of a

866
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:40,440
thousand voices, they call him. You know, I think I've

867
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,679
heard four. But he was great and distinctive.

868
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 8: All right, war, So.

869
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: What do you think of the whole speech? Did you

870
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,960
like it? Was it? Mission accomplished? Was it? I may

871
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:50,679
keep hearing we're going to talk. We're not going to talk.

872
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,719
We're talking to them, We're not talking to them.

873
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,159
Speaker 6: All I know is that they're continuing to pound and pounded,

874
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,559
to pound and degrade, and the.

875
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 8: Straits of Hormuz. Thing is very interesting this before.

876
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 6: We don't need the oil, we don't need it. We

877
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,320
don't care what effect it's going to have. And you

878
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,960
gas goes up for a little while, gas goes up

879
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,880
for a little while. Let's use this all as an

880
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,840
object lesson to show how absolutely toothless the European military is,

881
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,239
and how China doesn't want to seem to tiptoe over

882
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,079
and do something in concert with the Americans. I have

883
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:22,679
nothing new to add on that, but to you, gentlemen, mind, well, Charlie,

884
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,360
what did you think.

885
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 5: I know you've been wanting the president to say something,

886
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,679
and I have own thoughts, but since you've been demanding it,

887
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,840
I want to hear your evaluation.

888
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,039
Speaker 1: I thought, as the English say, it was rubbish. Ah,

889
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,599
I thought it was rubbish. And it's not because I'm

890
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:40,840
against the war. I think the case is quite strong.

891
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:43,679
I think we're doing quite well, with the exception of

892
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:45,800
the straight offorme message is big. I do there's a

893
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,679
big political price being paid, but that's what power is for,

894
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,880
you could argue. I just think the Trump's unfocused and

895
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:59,360
he has never created a coherent framework for the war.

896
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,119
I wish for the entire thing that Marco Rubier was speaking,

897
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,840
because he would.

898
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: Have done it so well.

899
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,559
Speaker 1: Trump is, in his own way, a really good communicator,

900
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:09,960
but just not things like this.

901
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: The bread and butterer of being.

902
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: President eludes Trump, whereas the bread and butler of running

903
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,239
for president and introducing new ideas into the national bloodstream

904
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,280
is natural to him. But this where you have to

905
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,079
be really focused. Reagan was an absolute master at it.

906
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:31,440
Franklin Roosevelt unfortunately was a master at it. But Trump

907
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:34,480
can't do it, and so I felt having called for

908
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:36,960
him to do it, as if I was perhaps wrong

909
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:38,480
or he should have let ruviwed it.

910
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think I said last week or

911
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,199
one of these recent episodes, and I think Trump is

912
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,199
not good at this kind of speech, the Oval Office address,

913
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,000
or even Harry's standing, and the same idea, that's just

914
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:53,480
not his strength. I don't go in for the Trump

915
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:57,320
plays for DJSS, although sometimes it kind of works out

916
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,719
that way. I think for instinctual reasons, not deliberate reasons,

917
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,119
but or mind that, I do suppose that I could

918
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:07,360
be persuaded that he is being deliberately inconsistent as a

919
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,639
way of keeping the Iranians off balance. At some point

920
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:15,719
that's got to end or resolve itself somehow. There are

921
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,920
two pieces of news I saw reported first thing Friday morning.

922
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,880
One is on the straight of Horne moves. Our European

923
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:25,880
and Far Eastern allies had a virtual meeting to talk

924
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,159
about it that we declined to participate in, didn't send

925
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:33,320
anybody to listen. Even that. Maybe that's true, but it

926
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,280
does suggest that the wider story you hear that Trump

927
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,920
is really using us to bash NATO or maybe even

928
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,400
get us out of NATO or cut our commitment to

929
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,159
NATO by some significant portion. You know, maybe that's possibly true,

930
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,199
and he's trying to keep our allies off balance, which

931
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:51,119
I think is possibly ill advised. The second thing reported

932
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,880
Friday is that our intelligence, or maybe it's foreign intelligence,

933
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,599
thinks Ron still has half of their weapons in inventory.

934
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,480
And so while we've graded lots of capacities and all

935
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,079
the rest, they still have a lot of armaments. And

936
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,039
I don't know what's going on, but it sure doesn't

937
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:11,079
look like they are getting ready to surrender any moment soon.

938
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,440
So well, I'm not sure. Yeah, go ahead.

939
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: Sorry.

940
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 6: If if half of the stuff is in underground cities, yeah,

941
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,639
what are they going to do?

942
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

943
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 5: I don't know.

944
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,119
Speaker 1: Fortunately, you make them sound really cool when you say

945
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,559
that they have weapons in underground cities. I don't like

946
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:33,719
these people, but that makes me sort of think that cool.

947
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 3: Well, they aren't.

948
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,559
Speaker 6: But they looked around and they saw the best thing

949
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:39,760
to do was to hold it. It was to have

950
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,960
these underground complexes and then just take them out and

951
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:44,679
load them on the missilelaunchers. From what I understand, so

952
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,639
we've been bombing the entrances and the exits, and they

953
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,840
get them construct you know, the construction crews out and

954
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,800
they dig them out, and then they do it again.

955
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:52,960
So if they have half their stuff and it's still buried,

956
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,480
they can't get to it. Yeah, that's bad. But if

957
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:57,639
you notice the number of missiles they've been firing, have

958
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,039
been dropping and dropping and dropping and dropping. Yeah, it

959
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,320
seems to be brutal, but then it seems to be resilient.

960
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:05,920
And again, we're five weeks into this, and I think

961
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,199
to expect anything else is a bit much. But attention

962
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,280
is going to flutter and fade, I think.

963
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 8: So it's good that he talked about it.

964
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,159
Speaker 5: Now, it's pretty clear that he's not calm. Well, the

965
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,719
epicyclic head going for a couple of weeks of calming

966
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,840
the markets by making some urnic statement about we're about

967
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,880
to win, they're about to I think that has dissipated now.

968
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,559
And then that's so that that doesn't work. You can't

969
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,639
call the markets now with just another happy talk statement.

970
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is something I must say I dislike

971
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,440
about Trump because it is so detached from reality. I

972
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,280
follow the stock market quite closely and I read the

973
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,400
Wall Street Journal's stocks page, and every day for the

974
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,920
last three weeks, it's the most short term nonsense.

975
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,159
Speaker 2: You've ever seen. For a start, and this is.

976
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:54,159
Speaker 1: An indictment of people who are criticizing the war. For

977
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,519
a start, every small thing gets reported as if it's

978
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,719
breaking these the DAO with up five hundred, the Dow

979
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,440
drop five hundred today, mortgag rates have gone up point

980
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,000
two percent.

981
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand.

982
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's not very annoying if you're

983
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,559
buying a house right now, or if you're liquidating your

984
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:13,360
stocks right now, or if you need to fill up

985
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,760
your car in the next few weeks.

986
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: But the hanging on the small changes.

987
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: In the markets is irritating, and Trump indulges it. And

988
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,320
what he really should say is, guys, we're going to

989
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,480
get this done, and it will be too long because

990
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:31,199
I'm not in favor of forever was, but we do

991
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,320
have to finish this. But instead, what I read is, well,

992
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,679
he's trying to send signals to the market, so we'll

993
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:37,679
go up again for.

994
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: What a week, then it goes back again.

995
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 6: I know, I know, all right, Well, we have a

996
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,559
couple of things here that I want to mention to you.

997
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: One.

998
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 6: Here's a headline on USA Today's page. This was put

999
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,000
in my show notes that I should say this quote.

1000
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,079
Gucci Maine allegedly robbed, kidnapped at studio by rapper Pooh

1001
00:49:55,079 --> 00:50:00,559
Shisty DOJ says. I thought immediately of this tweet, which

1002
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,119
floats a run from time to time. It came out

1003
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,840
a couple of years ago a guy named Damon Owens

1004
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,400
who said, I'm fifty All celebrity news looks like this

1005
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,199
quote curtains for Zusha case smug and bat boycott, flip

1006
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:12,920
and a grunt.

1007
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 8: Right, He's absolutely right, absolutely right.

1008
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 6: The other thing I wanted to mention, of course, is

1009
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,039
that if you would like to flip a grunt, you

1010
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:26,000
can do so with fellow Ricochet people in Milwaukee. Do

1011
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,639
you like twenty four to twenty six You've got plenty

1012
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:29,760
of time to get there, to get your trick, your

1013
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,119
plane tickets, hope the price of jet fuels come down by.

1014
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: Them, or just take the train.

1015
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 6: It's the twenty fourth, twenty sixth of July. And if

1016
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,079
you're wondering, what do you mean meet up, that's because

1017
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:45,119
Ricochet members get together in person in person with others, occasionally.

1018
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,119
And if you're thinking, oh, I want to go, I

1019
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:47,800
love the place.

1020
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: I love the people, and I go some more talk politics.

1021
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 6: I found that I have absolutely never talked politics at

1022
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:53,920
a rickshan.

1023
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: It's been everything.

1024
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 6: But it's like getting together with people you've known for

1025
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,079
years but haven't met in the flesh.

1026
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: It's great fun do it.

1027
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 6: And if you're a Ricochet member and you would like

1028
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,559
others to come to you, well, you know, just call

1029
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,679
one in your neighborhood and you'd be surprised how many

1030
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,079
people show up bearing hot dishes and smiles and the

1031
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:12,920
rest of it. It is a strange and wonderful thing

1032
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,280
about Ricochet. And if you don't know what Ricochet is

1033
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,719
and you just stumbled into this by some tw trick

1034
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,000
of the algorithm, well, first of all, there's seven hundred

1035
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,159
and eighty two podcasts for you to listen to. Secondly,

1036
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:25,360
there's lots more at ricochet dot com.

1037
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,559
Speaker 3: But behind the wall, the member.

1038
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 6: Feed is a whole community, and yes you have to

1039
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,199
pay a little to get to it, but that means

1040
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:33,039
it's self selecting. There's a code of conduct, and you

1041
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:37,239
will find and meet wonderful people who talk about absolutely everything.

1042
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,159
There's more to life than politics. There's moonshots and Charles

1043
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:45,199
telling stories of boys in the baseball field dropping their

1044
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,159
bats and gloves to regard with reverence as American power

1045
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,199
thunders into the imperium again.

1046
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,599
Speaker 8: Ah, all right, well.

1047
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,079
Speaker 6: We'll see everybody in the comments at Ricochet four point

1048
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,639
whatever it is. Give us that five point rating if

1049
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:01,519
you don't mind, Steven Charles, it's been great fun and

1050
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,239
we'll see you next week, and we'll see everybody in

1051
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,800
the comments, said Ricochet four point whatever.

1052
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 8: Bye bye,