1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: What is up Pelasiko's I Am Dana Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,560 you once again with more Jensen of the NBA podcast, 3 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:15,039 fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of Forbes, his fame, and 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,079 of Only Fans Celebrity. We're back to talk a little 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,960 bit about those NBA Finals thingamabobs that are going on 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,800 at the moment. Tied one to one after a game 7 00:00:24,879 --> 00:00:28,480 to quasi beat down by the Thunder at the expense 8 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:31,519 of the Indiana Pacers. We're gonna just get into some thoughts, 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,880 overarching questions, you know, the whole drill. We don't want 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,520 to be too recappy. You've already consumed all the recappy podcasts, 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,320 we hope, first and foremost though more, How the heck 12 00:00:41,439 --> 00:00:43,079 are you? Oh? 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: I'm doing lousy? No, I don't. 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: I just wanted to say ones. No, I'm doing well. 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,759 I'm doing well. Look, I am enjoying thoroughly. Shake Field 16 00:00:52,799 --> 00:00:55,960 of Alex Sandra just being freaking elite at virtually everything 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,359 that he does. He is so fun to watch. I 18 00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:02,119 might disagree, No, there was no might in it. I 19 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:04,840 do disagree with the MVP choice, but that doesn't make 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,719 him any less of a baller. Him averaging virtually a 21 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:11,560 point per minute in an nb A final series is 22 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:12,920 utterly ridiculous. 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: I might say he's a bucket getting merchant. 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: You might say that's better. That is better. 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,519 Speaker 3: I don't hate that. No, And we'll see. I filed 26 00:01:22,519 --> 00:01:25,599 the piece about him over at Forbes today. We'll we'll 27 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:27,640 see if my editors even taken it was just sort 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,760 of a love fest. From my perspective. Just this dude 29 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:33,439 is unguardable, just unguardable scoring wise. 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: Let's hop into the first thing here, though it's the 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,840 talking heads more they're discussing it. Do the Pacers need 32 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:42,159 more from Tyre's Haliburton? Who? Before I throw it to you, 33 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,319 I would like to point out, yes, he only had 34 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:46,840 seven points do the first three quarters off Game two, 35 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:50,239 and yes that he ended up leading the Pacers and 36 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:52,239 shot attempts after the fourth quarter. I think he went 37 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:55,799 up with thirteen in Game two. I am curious how 38 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:59,959 you feel about this, because I don't people over simple 39 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:02,000 to me where it's like the Pacers just need more 40 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:04,480 than fifteen and a half points per game from Tyre's Halliburton. 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,959 And on the surface, I agree, but then you got 42 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:08,280 to get in there and tell me how are you 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,520 getting Tyre's Haliburton more points per game? And I think 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,159 getting him into the paint is probably the biggest deal. 45 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:19,560 And you've seen it with like Indiana's paint frequency is 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,560 just down in this series. It's down after they're running 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,479 off Missus. It's down of course after the Thunder making 48 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,639 a shot. And I think when the Thunder make a shot, 49 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:33,560 Indiana's like like rim frequency has just absolutely plummeted because 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,960 if you're letting okay, see get its defense set, it 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,400 just feels like curtains for your offense on so many times. 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,840 How do you feel about the Tyre's Haliburton scoring conversation? 53 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,080 Is there's something that Pacers could do? Did they unlock anything? 54 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,039 Maybe in the fourth quarter where it felt like they 55 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,319 were getting him downhill more, but it was happening off 56 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:52,280 the ball. What do you make of the whole hashtag discourse? 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: So I did in Danish episode about this earlier today, 58 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:03,080 and I am on the side of let's see if 59 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,159 he can't be activated a little bit better. But yes, 60 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:10,400 it does have to be calculated. He shouldn't just jack 61 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:12,840 up shots. It doesn't have to be him thinking of 62 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,439 raw volume, but he has to assert himself in a 63 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:20,879 way where it's gonna have a ripple effect offensively. So 64 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:23,599 shots are gonna come easier to pass Siakam, So shots 65 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:25,919 are gonna come easier to Miles Turner, Andrew Neimhart, aeron 66 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,800 Nie Smith and so on. So the question I have, 67 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,000 and I'm actually gonna throw it back to you a 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,840 little bit, is basically, how do we gauge, specifically against 69 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:39,719 the Oklahoma City Thunder, what constitutes a good shot? Because 70 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:44,520 I felt for a long longer stretchers, stretches, Wow, I 71 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,360 can't speak today. In Game two, the Pacers were looking 72 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,319 for the perfect shot, and I don't think I need 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,719 to remind them that they're going up against the Thunder. 74 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,520 The perfect shot against the Thunder is probably one that's 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,639 going to be semi contested at the very least. I 76 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,159 think they have to accept that, and I think they 77 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:09,280 have to embrace it. So for me, the question is, 78 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:15,159 how do you get Tyrese Halliburton more shots? Knowing full 79 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,519 well that virtually every shot he's going to get is 80 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,959 going to be at variant degrees contested. 81 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,519 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if and this feels like it might veer 82 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,360 too far away from just like the core principles of 83 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:32,560 what the Pacers do, and so I recognize that it. 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,399 I mean, I don't even know if I would consider 85 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:38,360 it necessarily bold, but like, do you have to slow 86 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:42,600 things down to do more against okayc in the sense 87 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:45,920 of where you're setting screens for Haliburton or how you're 88 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:48,279 trying to break him free off the ball, Like maybe 89 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,279 you need to be a little bit more methodical about 90 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:54,079 what he's doing. Specifically, is it doing more like running 91 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:56,560 more through Pascal Siakam since he's used to operating at 92 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,079 that speed and trying to just like poke in prod 93 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:01,079 a little bit more than rather than trying to create 94 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,720 this chaos. And I'm only saying that just because I 95 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,560 think Tyr's Haliburton's a fantastic player, but like he's also 96 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,759 someone who, like you can get it feels like the 97 00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:13,160 ball out of his hands by sticking someone on him, 98 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,399 and when that someone is lou Dort, like it's a 99 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,720 very particular defender. I don't like the Knicks had to 100 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:21,160 go through all these gimmicks to throw slow down Tyre's 101 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:24,360 Haliburton in so far as they even could. The Thunder 102 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:26,120 don't have to do that, And so I'm wondering if 103 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,000 you have to be more methodical about how you're going 104 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,639 after Okaysee's defense, and similar to the way you know 105 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,199 you and I talked about after game one, should should 106 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,319 Okaysee start setting ball screens even higher further down the 107 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,800 court for Shay They did that in game too, and 108 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,000 it gave him more of a runway. Now to do 109 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,199 that with Tyre's Haliburton, you probably need to slow down 110 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,920 your offense, which is like half court, full court, whatever, 111 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,240 which is counterintuitive to the Pacers. But is that something 112 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,199 you try or is it thrown it back to you again? 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:54,439 Speaker 3: Here? 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: Is it? No? Like you don't slow things down against 115 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,360 okay See, like you just won't stand a chance if 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,600 you're trying to play like play from that slant. 117 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,959 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll try it a couple of times. 118 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 3: I'm willing to test out everything if I'm the Pacers, really, 119 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,439 but it does seem counterintuitive to slow the game down, 120 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,480 specifically against the thunder who you kind of said it there. 121 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,720 If they get a chance to set their defense, good luck, 122 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:22,399 I mean truly good luck. That is a ridiculous amount 123 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,959 of defensive capabilities they have individually collectively off the bench, 124 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,759 even like this is just a sick ass defensive team 125 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,160 that will find you and strangle you into oblivion if 126 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:37,120 they can. So it's just that you have to think 127 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,120 so far outside the box. I do think you said 128 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,000 something earlier that is the correct approach is getting Tyres 129 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,959 Halbert and more downhill. One of the things that I 130 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,639 feel that he's kind of leaving on the table a 131 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,319 little bit is his length and his ability to cover 132 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,759 a lot of ground quickly. Like I'm not saying that 133 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:01,560 Tyre's Halbert is, you know, supremely athletic. I'm not saying that, 134 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,240 but he is long, he has long strides, he does 135 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:07,560 have burst, So I would like to see him get 136 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,839 into the cup a little bit more. Like he's still 137 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:13,120 a six' five point, guard and he does have long. 138 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:17,199 Arms he does know how to gain separation. Inside like 139 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,600 see what. Happens he's attempted zero free throws over the 140 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:23,319 first two, games zero free throws in seventy three. Minutes 141 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:25,720 get in, there force the issue a little, bit and 142 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,279 if you get to the foul, line, great that's a 143 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,920 win because that also means you draw foul on one 144 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:32,639 of the. Opponents if you can do, That like if 145 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:35,240 you can get a couple early fouls On Loo door 146 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,279 if you can also draw foul On Alex. Caruso, like 147 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:41,199 if you can do those, things that helps you, overall 148 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,480 not just your own, scoring but that has a ripple. 149 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:47,920 Effect so AM i Saying Tyry's halburton should just try 150 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,920 to up his volume by you, know hashtag doing. Stuff, 151 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,079 no it has to be, deliberate but as also easier 152 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,240 set them done against these thun. 153 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:57,439 Speaker 2: DRY i concede, that. 154 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,199 Speaker 1: Right and that's, like so you look at and you're 155 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:02,160 looking at the way That indy's been driving in this. 156 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,519 Series their drives per game or like they're a little bit, 157 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,199 down but they're like kind of right around where they've 158 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,720 been for the. Playoffs but you were shooting like fifty 159 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:11,639 two percent out of your drives leading into this, series 160 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,600 your sub forty five. Percent now in this series you 161 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,399 were sub thirty nine percent on your drives in game. 162 00:08:17,399 --> 00:08:20,759 TWO i just wonder if like kind of short Of 163 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:23,240 Pascal siakam really doing things like if you can get 164 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:26,439 him down. LOW i don't know if saying like let's 165 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:28,560 get into the teeth of this thunder defense is a great. 166 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,519 Decision maybe excuse, me maybe inside the starting lineup to 167 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:36,000 where it's basically everyone can shoot. There but when you're 168 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,559 getting into some of these secondary lineups With indy the 169 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:39,960 Thunder arm gonna have you, know if you HAVE tj 170 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:42,159 McConnell in the, corner they're not Gonna they're not gonna fucking, 171 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,080 care nor should. They and so that's WHY i mean 172 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,120 it WAS i think it was tyree'se hit a. Three 173 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,960 it was on the right side of the floor in game, 174 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,879 two and it was they set a high screen for. 175 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Him he came, around and, it's, Yes tyrese is seeing 176 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 the pacer seement their best when he's creating havoc in the. 177 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,320 Paint but could you look at that and, say like 178 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,120 maybe you are gonna have to settle for jumpers more 179 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:03,279 like if they're gonna like just to create that extra 180 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,200 space or do you think that Gets now we're not 181 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,000 even talking about the speed of the. Game what you already, 182 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,559 said like you don't want to get too far away from, 183 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,759 that AND i think that's. Fair is that, Too Like 184 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:12,879 i'm not saying punt on trying to get to the basket, 185 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,759 altogether But i'm just, wondering like those same avenues that 186 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:20,080 Make Tyre's. Haliburton, Great it's we could sit here and say, 187 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,720 like do that? More like, absolutely, yeah do that. MORE 188 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:25,960 i just don't know if that's going to be available 189 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:26,879 against This thunder. 190 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 3: Defense look if, that if he can generate open looks from, 191 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,240 threes AND i say, open knowing full well that AGAINST 192 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,840 okc they're never fully. Open uh, yeah go ahead and take. 193 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:41,960 Them like The pacers are averaging almost forty three point 194 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,879 attempts per game in this. SERIES i think that is 195 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:47,240 a good. Amount BUT i wouldn't even hate it if 196 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:49,840 they uped it a little bit. More now some will, say, 197 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,720 oh then you're just playing the math. Game fuck, Yeah 198 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,039 i'm playing the math game in THE Nba. Finals fuck, 199 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,840 YEAH i am Absolutely IF i can win the math, 200 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:00,919 GAME i win the. Game no one's going to talk 201 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,879 about that in the history. BOOKS i promise you that's 202 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:06,159 not gonna be a. Thing if IF i can get 203 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,080 in and just establish a hardcore three point based offense 204 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,240 and my star players draining six or seven threes in a, 205 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:20,039 game Yeah i'm doing. That the thing, is The thunder 206 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:24,720 are so good at kind of sniffing stuff, out especially 207 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:27,480 if it's worked once or twice and then they'll throw 208 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,039 different coverage in, There they'll throw different looks in, so 209 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:36,440 like you, Know tyree's will go up Against Shay, Russo Door, 210 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,240 wallace like you name, it and those are just different. 211 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:44,759 Looks and those are also players who defend. Differently so 212 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,279 if you get a, step if You're Tyres haliburt and 213 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,120 you get off that initial screen and you have enough 214 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,200 space to get the shot off Against Kason, wallace who's 215 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,000 a little bit smaller and who might play you, know, 216 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,639 defense just a smitch off of Where cabruso would be? 217 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:01,320 Cool is that going to work Against? Caruso is not 218 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,080 gonna work Against? Shape maybe, Not so it depends on 219 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,799 who's up against him as. Well this is Why i'm 220 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:13,000 still not pivoting off My thunder pick for this, series 221 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,399 despite The game one. Surprise it just seems like such 222 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,080 a mound everest to climb even. 223 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: Still THE i think the only other, thing AND i 224 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,120 don't know if this is actually as extreme when you 225 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:25,759 look at how they've Used Tyre's haliburton this, Year like 226 00:11:25,799 --> 00:11:29,200 his off ball percentage this year was a lot higher 227 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,559 than it was last, year AND i think a lot 228 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,480 of that had to do with it probably shifted immediately after, that, 229 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,720 buddy he'll trade To philadelphia last. Season do you do 230 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,799 more of that to where it's because if you're AND 231 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,279 i think we both agree that like if you can 232 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,720 Get Tyre's haliburton just into the, lane shit could even be. 233 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:46,600 Contestant it's, like, well at least you feel good that 234 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:49,759 he has gotten. Downhill it's probably easier for him to 235 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:53,120 do that off the, catch maybe against a tilted defender 236 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,759 or an entire tilted. Defense and that's how he got 237 00:11:55,759 --> 00:11:57,399 like one of his best buckets of the, night WHEREAS 238 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,879 i think it Was Andrew demhard gets into the teeth 239 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:01,759 the efense you, said a screen for internet. Art he 240 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:04,399 gets going downhill like the thunder stemy, it but he 241 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,080 kicks it out To Tyre's haliburton and he's. Attacking, Yeah 242 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:09,200 Jay dubb is, there but like you're still getting the 243 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,519 changes to attack really quickly off the, catch so that 244 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,240 might maybe does that blend the like a bit of 245 00:12:14,279 --> 00:12:16,360 everything to where it's, okay The pacers have maybe slowed 246 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:18,799 down a. Bit they've taken the ball out Of Tyre's haliburton's, 247 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:21,120 hands WHICH i think the thunder might constitute as a. 248 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,159 Victory but you're still Putting Tyres alburt in a place 249 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,519 where he can make a super quick, decision and so 250 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:28,240 that might be Something i'd like to see more. Of 251 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:30,440 but if we're sitting here also and saying, like, Well 252 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:33,720 Tyre's alberton is struggling to drive against The, thunder we're 253 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,720 now displacing that burden onto to someone. Else and in 254 00:12:36,799 --> 00:12:39,559 theory it should just be easier because that player is 255 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,679 not going to have, again in, theory as good of 256 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,519 A thunder defender on, him where it's like driving Against 257 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,480 Lou dort is, different Or Alex caruso is different than 258 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,039 driving against whether it's a case In wallace or if 259 00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:53,679 you have a big on. You so that might be 260 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,000 something for them to explore a little bit. More and 261 00:12:56,039 --> 00:12:57,480 none of this to me is to, say by the, 262 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:00,120 way like, this this isn't. Easy both of these teams 263 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,799 are here for a. Reason The thunders specifically have a 264 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,440 like terrifying defense for a. REASON i don't know that 265 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,279 there's an, answer BUT i don't THINK i think what's 266 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:11,679 unfair is to, say Like Tyre's haliburton isn't doing. ENOUGH 267 00:13:12,279 --> 00:13:13,960 i think what's fair to say is they need him 268 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,600 to score. More but it's not just On Tyre's haliburton 269 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,080 to put up more shots that that is. Reductive The 270 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,720 pacers need to find a way to put him in 271 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,000 advantage situations in so far as you can even create 272 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:24,559 them against this. 273 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: DEFENSE i have a question for. 274 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: You, nope the answer is, no let's move. 275 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: On, yeah it might be, No we're gonna go back 276 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,720 to the nineties a little bit. 277 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:34,639 Speaker 1: Here you definitely know. 278 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:35,039 Speaker 2: Then So. 279 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,639 Speaker 3: Gary payton obviously one of the best post point guard 280 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,200 players of all. Time he made it such a good 281 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,799 habit of getting into the post and using that as 282 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:50,200 a passing hub sort of way like that that was 283 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:52,840 a great way or a great place rather for him 284 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:56,799 to initiate playmaking because people knew he was, strong they 285 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:58,759 knew he could kind of shoot over. Guys they knew 286 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,919 he could get buckets close to the rim also off 287 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,039 of post, ups so he would leverage that into the. 288 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:10,080 Playmaking now we're seeing over the first two Games Tyres 289 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,320 halpert and a grand total of twelve assist over like 290 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:16,399 the first two, games and eight turnovers that is below 291 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:21,759 his usual. Rate is there something to the idea of 292 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:26,320 actually throwing him into not the high post or, sorry 293 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,840 not to the low, post probably the high post if, 294 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:32,679 anything and trying to turn him into more of a 295 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,240 facilitator like at the. Elbows would that open up the? 296 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,759 FLOOR i don't. 297 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: KNOW i just feel like if you do, THAT i 298 00:14:42,159 --> 00:14:45,679 think it makes it too easy on the thunder, Defense 299 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,519 like what would be what do you think would be 300 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:49,159 the primary benefit if they did? 301 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,279 Speaker 3: That, WELL i, mean considering he's the best by far 302 00:14:53,679 --> 00:14:58,320 playmaker on both, teams honestly the best playmak in this. 303 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,200 SERIES i am wondering if if he's able to spot 304 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:05,919 that split second Where siakam Or nemhart Or Nie smith 305 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,200 Or turner Or toppin or whoever makes that little strong. 306 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,559 Cut and you, KNOW i concede fully That okac is 307 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,200 probably the best defense in the league when it comes 308 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:22,120 to also identifying those movement patterns and closing them. Off 309 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:26,960 but With, TYRESE i trust that he's able to make 310 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,360 that split second, decision that split second pass and just 311 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,639 get the ball into those guys. Cutting and it doesn't 312 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:36,879 even have to be a finished, play like those guys 313 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:39,279 can try to get, fout those guys can skip the 314 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:41,879 ball across the baseline to an open corner shoot or 315 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:45,919 something along those. LINES i just want to see some, 316 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,759 way somehow the ball get inside deep in the paint 317 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:56,200 and be that Through tyrese making cuts from the, elbow 318 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,519 be That tyresse driving into the pain and dishing. OFF 319 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:02,200 i honestly don't. CARE i just want to see paint. 320 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,919 Speaker 1: Touches, Honestly i'm probably not against trying, everything but that 321 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,159 feels so foreign to what The pacers would typically. Do 322 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,120 he's had in the. Postseason he's had ten elbow touches so. 323 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,639 Far and the other THING i probably wouldn't love about 324 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:22,480 it is whether if he's gonna be. STATIONARY i just 325 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:24,039 feel like that's a win for The, thunder and like 326 00:16:24,039 --> 00:16:25,480 when you do it when he's beyond the arcs a 327 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:27,679 little different because there's sort of that, poll and they'll 328 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:30,159 still have that poll at the. Elbow but it seems 329 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,200 like The pacers are gonna be at their most dangerous 330 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:35,519 leveraging his motion on the ball or away from the. 331 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:39,600 Ball so that seems. Counterintuitive BUT i say that also 332 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:42,320 noting That i'll try anything against The thunder, defense and 333 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,600 you know, what Maybe Rick carlisle will. 334 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,679 Speaker 2: Too it's interesting you mentioned the. 335 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:48,919 Speaker 3: Stacknation that's my one concern as, well because you, know 336 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,399 you can't move him around if he set the, elbow he's, seeking, 337 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:55,039 Right and that was one of the issues That kobe 338 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,840 had for a while, too when he set up camp 339 00:16:56,879 --> 00:16:59,840 with the elbow was he just sort of stood there 340 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:03,279 and everyone else were ball watching or waiting for a 341 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,640 kickout the worse than there wasn't No wyte a lot of, 342 00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:09,480 movement and you always needed him to be in movement 343 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:11,759 because that was the better version of. Him AND i 344 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:16,079 don't think it's any different With Tyree's. Halliburton i'm just 345 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,960 trying to come up with something BECAUSE i don't Think 346 00:17:20,519 --> 00:17:25,279 game two was in any way and encouraging offensive performance 347 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,839 by The, Pacers Like i'm getting nervous If i'm. 348 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: Them, yeah so he's HAD i WAS i looked at 349 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,839 the regular season and playoffs. Combined he's had twenty seven 350 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,880 elbow touches all. Year so we're talking about a. Hundred 351 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,119 we're talking about exactly one hundred games, now, Right, Yeah 352 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,680 so that would be just so. Far And i'm curious 353 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,119 to see just what they're gonna try In game three 354 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,920 and moving, forward BECAUSE i think you NEED i, mean 355 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,240 we kind of we saw hints of, it like In 356 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:50,920 game one when they're like kind of spearheading that, comeback 357 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,839 like he's hitting threes or if he's getting into the. 358 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,960 LANE i think the thunder our bilt to take away. 359 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,359 THAT i don't know what the answer, is but that's 360 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,720 Why i'm not a head coach in THE. Nba BUT 361 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:00,119 i do think they're gonna need to find a way 362 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,599 to unlock even if it's not him putting up raw, 363 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,319 numbers the chaos that he creates when he's able to 364 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,920 get into the lane or when he is, scoring it 365 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,640 opens things up for everybody else on the. Team the 366 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,759 other thing that we're gonna talk about with The pacers, 367 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:16,799 before like a Little thunder specific. Talk i'm just trying 368 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,480 to figure, out, Like, okay well what else can they do? 369 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:21,680 Here because this isn't just A Tyrese haliburton. Thing And 370 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,480 i'm kind of, wondering do you need to LIKE i 371 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,359 want to be cognizant of saying, like, oh you need 372 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,240 to just play like your main guys, more because what's 373 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,359 got you here the entire season is your. Depth the 374 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,839 way that you play it requires. Depth BUT i kind 375 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,279 of look at It Miles turner just. QUIETLY i know 376 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:40,359 he's not been The be's knees essentially on offense this, 377 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,680 year but he has been big for them on. Defense 378 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:45,000 The thunder is still shooting under forty five percent on 379 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:47,359 twos with him on the. Court the fact that he 380 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,480 was only the pacer only outscored by four points with 381 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:53,279 him on the court In game, Two, like that's kind 382 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:55,039 of a big deal because they end up losing it 383 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,480 by what? Fifteen so? Sixteen excuse? Me do we need 384 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:01,559 to just see more Or Miles turner towards? Hey, like 385 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:03,759 this isn't someone who's used to playing like forty, minutes 386 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:05,640 but you might need to do that or is it 387 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,680 just to get away From so first of, all Wasn't 388 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,759 Thomas bryant not supposed to play Until game? 389 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:13,279 Speaker 2: THREE i think the? 390 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,559 Speaker 1: Injury oh Jars? Walker, yeah? Duh what's wrong with? Me 391 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:19,240 Is Jariff walker with the? INJURY i apologize, Everybody, LIKE 392 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,559 i don't think this is A Thomas bryant, Series And 393 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:25,920 i'm starting to, wonder starting TO i have too much 394 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,160 respect for him to declare it. Outright i'm starting to 395 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,279 wonder if this can be A tj McConnell. Series he 396 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,720 was five of seven from the floor with six assists 397 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:37,279 In game, two AND i just like came away, thinking 398 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:39,599 oh my, god this is this A tj McConnell, Series 399 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:41,519 and if it's going to, be you just need to 400 00:19:41,519 --> 00:19:43,079 have him on the ball at all, TIMES i, Think 401 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,440 and even that SOMETIMES i wonder if that becomes a 402 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,640 win for The thunder. 403 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,079 Speaker 3: Defense SO i can't get there with LESS tj McConnell 404 00:19:50,079 --> 00:19:53,359 when he's currently one of the best offensive producers on the, 405 00:19:53,519 --> 00:19:56,599 team not to mention he's, still you, know defensively for his, 406 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,200 side he's rock. Solid, like don't get me, WRONG i 407 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,279 hear what you're, saying and like the ripple effect of 408 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,640 him being virtually a non shooter that you can scale 409 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,200 off of him a great deal and cheat off of. 410 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,079 Him that's an. Issue but given how much this team 411 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:16,039 just is going to struggle moving forward and, offensively AS i, 412 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:18,720 suspect because If game two was in the, indication, Woof 413 00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:22,640 i'm just gonna need someone who comes off the bench 414 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,559 FOR x amount of minutes and just generates. Points and 415 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:29,200 THEN i don't care if it's like nine foot pull, 416 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:32,759 ups AND i don't care if it's you, know not 417 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,759 quote unquote the most efficient shots out there over the 418 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:38,920 course of this, series he's nine to thirteen from the, 419 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,039 floor ten assists in what thirty five total. Minutes fuck, 420 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,920 Yeah i'm taking that because this team needs everything they 421 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,640 can squeeze together. Offensively BUT i do concede or not even. 422 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,680 Concede that sounds Like i'm giving up on an argument. 423 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: Here i'm. 424 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,279 Speaker 3: NOT i agree with you on The Thomas brand And 425 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,759 miles turn Points turner. 426 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: This series twenty seven and a half. 427 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:06,799 Speaker 3: MINUTES i you, KNOW i don't think he's been, great 428 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,559 BUT i don't think he's been bad, Either, like, yeah 429 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:14,400 the turnoverses have been it reaches for, him but the 430 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,319 defense more than makes up for. It there's also the shooting. 431 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,640 Presence he's also, Big He's we've seen him push around 432 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,119 chit holnkrowm a fair. Bit that's a. Positive SO i 433 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,039 would absolutely extend his. Minutes, yes and his, contract but 434 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:31,680 that's a conversation at his. 435 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: Contract so just back to the teacher. MCCONAUGHINGY i guess 436 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,680 Where i'm coming at it from is just there was 437 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,559 a PLAY i think it was in the third, quarter 438 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,279 and okayse he was ahead by seventeen and just Like 439 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,799 Tyre's haliburton's coming it's against as as tilted as The 440 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:50,359 thunder defense is probably just gonna get quite, frankly AND 441 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,920 tj McConnell's in the weak side. Corner he sprints like 442 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,799 he's relocating to the weak's side, corner and nobody On 443 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,319 Oklahoma city. Cares they're just all tilted towards the side 444 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,559 That haliburton is, On And i'm JUST i don't, KNOW 445 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,839 i don't know. What i'm almost kind of, wondering like 446 00:22:05,279 --> 00:22:07,599 is it a waste to play those two? Together like 447 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,799 should it Get like do you Want Tyre's haliburton on 448 00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:12,079 the court WITH i DON'T i don't know what the answer, Is, 449 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:12,920 LIKE i what is? 450 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:13,839 Speaker 2: It who would you play over? 451 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: It it's kind of My, yeah you and your. QUESTION 452 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:20,279 i love your. Questions who would you replace his minutes? 453 00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:23,200 With just eight more minutes to enter nim? Hard you 454 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,000 want to Get Ben sheppard in there? MORE i just 455 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:29,920 the Question i'm asking really is who is who is 456 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,440 on that roster who you can Replace teach McConnell's minutes 457 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,359 with where The thunder are definitely going to be eyeing 458 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,799 that person and, like oh holy, shit that guy's, Open 459 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,400 like who is going to have that? 460 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,519 Speaker 1: EFFECT i, THINK i think so If halliburton is on the, 461 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,480 floor BECAUSE i do THINK tj McConnell. Is once you 462 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:48,920 Remove haliburton from the, equation it's, okay where is the 463 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,200 playmaking coming? From like we know What sia often can, 464 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,880 do but where is that other playmaking coming. From i'm 465 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,799 probably looking more At Benedict maathrin or Even Ben, shepherd 466 00:22:57,839 --> 00:22:59,519 who has not had a great or a higher volume. 467 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,200 Series but it feels, like, now well The thunder pay 468 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,799 attention to them, defensively like you're always going to cheat 469 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,440 off of those. Guys but LIKE tj McConnell's taking one 470 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,279 three pointer this entire like through the entire two, games 471 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:11,799 and so it's cool that he's shooting so. 472 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: Well he is two of. 473 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: Two oh excuse, me he took. 474 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,799 Speaker 3: TWO i, Apologize and he is a perfect three point 475 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:21,759 shooter in this, series. 476 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: The finals, history just because you can't get any higher than. 477 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: That SO i will not. 478 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,039 Speaker 1: Well three Point James shepherd's two of, four like he's 479 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,680 he's so he's played what twenty three minutes this. Series 480 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:37,920 IT'S i don't have a G i want to make, 481 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,759 clear don't have a great answer for. IT i think 482 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:41,559 that you need to lean Into Miles turner in this, 483 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:44,200 series and IT'S i understand that that's not the minutes. 484 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,640 Load is what the minutes load, is BUT i kind 485 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,960 of look at it and, SAY i, mean you're in the, 486 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,400 finals like it probably wouldn't hurt. Too AND i know 487 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,599 this number is repressed because of How game two, went 488 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,559 but like twenty seven point four minutes For Miles, turners 489 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,839 like there's room to bump that that number. Up what 490 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,200 he had do you know when he ended up logging 491 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,839 in game one isbviously the more accurate view of. That 492 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,440 So i'm just looking at so that would be like 493 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,559 just because he's clearly made some Of Oklahoma city's defense, 494 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,720 uncomfortable and they did find ways to get excuse, me offense, 495 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:14,279 uncomfortable and they did find ways to Get Chet holmering. 496 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:15,640 Going he played twenty eight minutes in the. 497 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 3: Seven On, OKAY i was, CHECKING espn says twenty seven, Minutes. 498 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: So twenty seven twenty, Eight like, No i'm, Sorry like 499 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,160 you bump bumped that up to thirty five, immediately is 500 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:24,440 WHAT I. 501 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah and he wasn't even fouled. Trouble so like the snow, JUSTIFICATION. 502 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,759 Speaker 1: I think that's probably the most obvious adjustment that even more, 503 00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:33,640 so we're trying to figure out how do we Get tyre's. Haliburt, 504 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,720 like the most obvious jumpment for The pacers just might 505 00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:39,200 be More Miles, turner who's been absolutely spectacular for, THEM i, 506 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,440 think OR i should say mission critical for them, defensively 507 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,880 AND i think he was amazing defensively in In game. One, specifically, 508 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,480 yep anything else on The pacers before we move on 509 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:49,680 to the. 510 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: Thunder, yeah one THING i really want to Get obi 511 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:54,480 topin more vault off the. 512 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: Bench you, know thats The, boords your play that supports 513 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,440 the whole Play Thomas bryant less thing, right it. 514 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,319 Speaker 3: Does he obviously had a very Rough game two after 515 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,519 a very Strong game, one SO i would like to 516 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,000 see him get more. Downhill he's one of those dynamic 517 00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:13,039 power forwards who can shoot the three but can also 518 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,079 grab oops and like get into the teeth of the, 519 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,519 defense who is supremely. ATHLETIC i want to see The 520 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:21,640 pacers leverage his athleticism a little bit. MORE i want 521 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,319 to see them activate his, size because after, all he 522 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,319 is six nine to forty or something along those. 523 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: Lines he's a, big wide. 524 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: Body he can actually put the ball on the deck 525 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,960 and he can attack on straight on, lines AND i 526 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:39,240 do think there is merit in him just being, primed 527 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,440 as you, know going into game, three just basically letting 528 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,720 top And, no we are giving you the green light 529 00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:48,599 to just attack the fucking. Rim we are giving you 530 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,000 the green light to facilitate actions inside because we are 531 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:55,880 going to need to pressure the, evil living shit out 532 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,279 of the thunder, defense and that means you have to 533 00:25:58,279 --> 00:25:58,880 be ON. 534 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,319 Speaker 1: I think that's fair THAT i just anything TO i 535 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,000 guess kind of give. You i'm just you worry about the. 536 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000 Defense BUT i think at this point it's like you 537 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,240 want your offense to be in its, wheelhouse And obi 538 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,720 Top in plays right into that for. Sure the only 539 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,240 other NOTE i THINK i would have on The pacers 540 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,200 is how do you feel about any of like the secondary, 541 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:21,960 lineups like the one where it's you, know we're Seeing 542 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,200 siakam without uh Tyres haliburton on the floor and they 543 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,720 feel like they're over indexing on. Starters so it's Like 544 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:32,480 Turnera nemhard mathraa McConnell for this series negative forty net 545 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:36,119 rating in four. Minutes is they're, like WHAT'S i guess 546 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,400 the Question i'm. Asking You're Rick. Carlyle we Know Tyers 547 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,559 haliburton is not going to play the entire. Game how 548 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,920 are you fleshing out your best Non haliburton lineup like 549 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,000 Around seakam? 550 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:49,559 Speaker 3: Specifically, YEAH i MEAN i prefer to Flank kim with 551 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,839 as much shooting as humanly possible and Size andrew Nem hart. 552 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,680 Is you, KNOW i do think McConnell is the better point, 553 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,519 guards like true point guard compared to him And. Nemhart 554 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:08,359 but But nemhart is a more aggressive, scorer more aggressive. Shooter, so, 555 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,640 like AM i willing to relinquish some playmaking capabilities to 556 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,799 have this this guy who's able to read actions and 557 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,799 respond for the most part. Accurately, YEAH i probably. Am 558 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,920 SO i would need him Alongside sam If heliperten is 559 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,640 out for. Sure matherin is the odd duck in this 560 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,160 conversation because is when he's the primary, guy he's going 561 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,599 to operate in the mid, post even the low. Post 562 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:42,039 matherin so much leaning intowards being a slasher, driver you, 563 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,039 know Foul. Merchant, honestly it's just someone who can get 564 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:49,720 to the. Line does do those two mesh honestly like 565 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:52,920 this does the presence of near the. Rim is that 566 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:57,319 going to hurt those? Lines those you, know those straight 567 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,359 line drives From. Mathrin are those two going to? Fit 568 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,599 i'm not. Sure so to avoid, That Ben shepard is 569 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,799 probably ONE i would like to pair With siakam as, 570 00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:07,920 well just for the spacing. 571 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,279 Speaker 1: Element let's talk Some thunder from the series so. Far 572 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,200 what are you thinking about when it comes To. 573 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 3: OKAC i, mean, look you had it right there Getting 574 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,000 Aaron wigins and another scores involved in the. Offense i've 575 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,240 been calling For Aaron wiggins for a while now in this. 576 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:25,759 POSTSEASON i thought he's been dramatically. Underutilized this is this 577 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:28,640 guy who really has become one of the better offensive 578 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,119 producers at the wing position in THE nba this season and. 579 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,240 Last SO i was always a little curious how HE 580 00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:36,920 i don't want to say he fell out of the, 581 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,759 rotation but he was playing like what like ten twelve 582 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,039 minutes at one point at least in the, playoffs WHERE 583 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,559 i was like, that that seems. Wrong that seems Like 584 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:51,279 Mark daignold needs to up. That because This thunder, team 585 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,119 outside Of hartenstein And, holmgren it's not necessarily like a 586 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,519 big ass. Lineup you, KNOW i Mean Alex crusoe six,' 587 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,200 Five kason wallace is, Six' four lou dort, SIX to, Three, 588 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,599 i said joe who also gets, minute six. Two six three, 589 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,079 it's it's, not you know an enormous lineup j. Dubbed 590 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,119 SIX' five so i like having a wing, in their 591 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:16,680 legit size who, can handle the ball who can, shoot 592 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,400 off the catch who can also, shoot off the, dribble 593 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,440 by the way who would just sort of you can 594 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,680 throw in and just wreak havoc, for ten minutes. Here 595 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:30,119 twelve minutes there i'd just be. This CONSTANT producer offensively 596 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,880 so i was very very happy to see him get 597 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,839 A real shot in game two and also make. The, most, 598 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:40,039 of it so yeah you cannot Allow Yourself to get 599 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,359 aaron wiggins back in those ten to. Twelve minute ranges 600 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,440 anymore you. NEED to play him. 601 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: I you don't ever have to sell Me On. More 602 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,839 of aaron wiggins i'm already sold as soon as. You 603 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,039 mentioned his. NAME i'm right there i thought they also 604 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:53,960 did a good job of putting it like earlier. On in. 605 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160 The game for sure I'm Actually Surprised that jed homem 606 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,200 gonna finished with more points like but he like putting 607 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,720 him in spots, where he could score like, in this 608 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,319 first half, specifically the first quarter specifically getting him like moving, 609 00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:06,119 a little bit more and he seemed a, little bit less. 610 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,920 Hesitant like making, Decisions the other thing i'm kind of 611 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,799 wondering they did. Go to IT more but like i 612 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,440 love the quote unquote dual big looks for. THEM in 613 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,440 this series i know the thought process and changing the 614 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440 starting lineup is maybe, you don't do that but they 615 00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,880 are more through twelve minutes of having At Least, Two 616 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,640 Of isaiah Hartenstein Chet hunger and kenrich williams on the, 617 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,440 court in this series there are plus. Sixteen, and twelve minutes. 618 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,519 Speaker 3: Yeah that's remember when we remember when people were saying 619 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:35,400 this isn't going TO Be An ica. A hart andstein 620 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,400 series i. 621 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,279 Speaker 1: LOOK play him more. I think, you could i mean 622 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:40,519 but that's a that's, a by the way that's like, 623 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:42,920 A seventy net rating so we're dealing with an. Incredibly 624 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,079 small sample size. BUT that is insane i think There's Room. 625 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,480 To play hartenstein moore and the way, you, do that 626 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,039 is no It's not. Necessarily play chet less it's you 627 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:54,279 can go to these dual big looks even more and so, 628 00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,160 like it's you know we're talking about a lot of 629 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,640 Things that what would indy like be able to do 630 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,839 to Get. Better against the thunder there, is this for me, this, 631 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,319 sense Of like okay the thunder, up one to one. 632 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,240 They're tied, one one. I'm sorry, Excuse me they've led 633 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:13,119 they've had monster leads in, each of these games and 634 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,559 it just still feels like there's things that they can 635 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,880 clean up that aren't necessarily like these errors that are Being. 636 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,480 Forced by the pacers It's you could play hartenstein in 637 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:24,799 probably more than twenty two minutes, if you wanted to 638 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,119 or sprinkle in maybe if you don't want to play him, 639 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:29,599 more for some reason, maybe, you, sprinkle in like okay 640 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,039 this Can be. A KENRIDG williams series so i like 641 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,640 the dual, big look for them and it's not necessarily like, 642 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,519 Like all their bigs hartenstein is Probably the Least Most 643 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:41,559 i'm calling kendrich, williams a big sorry we're. Just we're 644 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:43,200 going there he's been like, a big and okay see 645 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,240 for the, past like half decade the way he plays 646 00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,440 these aren't guys that, Are gonna Get exploited like maybe hartenstein, 647 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,480 ken in certain instances but you're also just especially, during 648 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,119 the Chet minutes, you're insulating chet against like having these 649 00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,160 assignments where he doesn't feel totally comfortable going up against 650 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,680 centers necessarily at either. End of the floor. 651 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 3: Like, you just said that There are periods where hartenstein 652 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,759 might be, you didn't say exposed but where his flaws might. 653 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,880 Be obvious or whatever which like where that is my 654 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,920 question because WE were in an nba now, where size 655 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,960 has returned and he more. Than anyone embodies that like 656 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,799 he gives you, the big man stuff he, gives you 657 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:28,039 the rebound he gives, you the physical presence he gives 658 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,039 you the scoring, near of the rim and he. 659 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,039 Speaker 2: Even gives you playmaking like. 660 00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: Even if occasionally he'll be strained on an island, Against 661 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,680 some pim player i'm still. Going, Back To that well 662 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,759 like i'm not going to panic. And sit, him down 663 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,839 he goes oh he got, Burned, once, Or twice okay 664 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,000 sure but if he took away five layups and he 665 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:53,839 out rebounded his opponent significantly and just kept, getting those 666 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,000 ADDITIONAL possessions, Why would i care like then he just. 667 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,680 Won the, MATCH up pretty. 668 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: Yes I would agree but i do think like. That's 669 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,559 a legitimate concern is if the like if, we're talking 670 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:08,240 About okay if the pacers are maybe gonna not, slow 671 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,880 things down necessarily but they're gonna try and be more 672 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,200 methodical about how They're Getting, separation for tyre's haliburton like 673 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:17,319 Him Going up against isaiah hartenstein is most likely going 674 00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,240 to be A. Win FOR the, pacers and i think 675 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,200 like we've we've seen it in very DRIBS and drabs 676 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,559 because oka see like they're. Able to avoid It it's 677 00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:28,160 not Like i'm saying that, heartenstein's on the floor there's this. 678 00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,160 Weak point to attack but Like so, even in game 679 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,839 two he, spent thirty seconds total the matchup data says 680 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,440 like as A Partial, defender of Tyre's haliburton and the 681 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,920 pacers as a team in those. Stretches, scored eight points 682 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,119 yeah so, like or excuse me they scored. They scored 683 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,880 nine points so that's like it's just. SOMETHING to think 684 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,160 about i JUST don't THINK it's i would i. DO 685 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,319 side with you i don't think you're gonna end up 686 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,279 losing in. Net For the series but i'm assuming like 687 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:56,400 that's the concern going through and EVEN in that, but 688 00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:58,720 i would say let's say you are concerned about, That 689 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,640 as okay sore let's say that is A, win For 690 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,960 The pacers doesn't kenrich williams kind Of Like if it's, kenrick, williams, 691 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,119 in chet like? Well what is happened Like What. Is 692 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,880 the kenrick williams, want to be clear it's Not. As 693 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,519 big as hartenstein so if you're looking, for that rebounding 694 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:14,039 bump but if You are worried about hartenstein being again 695 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,239 in Quotes, attacked, By The pacers like kenrick williams is 696 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,800 not someone that's going to, be, Dusted, like, that. 697 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,079 Speaker 2: Right no no no his moveability is. Too, good to 698 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:22,960 that yeah you. 699 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: Got any other? Thoughts on the finals any? Has anything 700 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,360 about this we asked this after. Every time we record 701 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,360 is anything you see now after game two change the 702 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,880 way you? 703 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,159 Speaker 2: Feel? 704 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 3: About, this series no no things are just being somewhat 705 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,760 iterated to me in terms of like how size is 706 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,800 playing a, morph a, factor again, you know. Rebounding major 707 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,719 major key now it remembers there was a couple there 708 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,840 were a couple of years when people were, making, THIS 709 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,440 argument that oh nba teams, have completely deprioritized rebounding which 710 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,320 was by The. Way, always blowney like yeah they may 711 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,599 have given up on some, offensive rebound freeending philosophies but 712 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,000 rebounding is. AS important as ever i will never. GET 713 00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:04,079 off of that i will. Die ON that heel and 714 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,119 i think this series once. Again JUST proves that. 715 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: Can i, ask in what way just. 716 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 3: In general when it comes to securing defensive rebounds and 717 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,840 getting out like, in these, series now especially nowadays when 718 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,360 the league has become this three point oriented and games 719 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,039 can be swung in the, manner that, they can you 720 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,760 know having players who are able to just secure defensive rebounds, 721 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,320 instead of you know letting the long rebounds. Leak out 722 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,679 and whatnot it, just stops the bleeding and that's what. 723 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,000 You need so often it allows you to, slow the 724 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,199 pace down needs you to run things. At your own 725 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,119 pace it gets you a chance to just exhale instead 726 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:48,280 of letting an oncoming. 727 00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,119 Speaker 2: Outburst just take you. 728 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: Uh. That sounds about right i've been, a LITTLE bit 729 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,199 surprised like i thought this would be more of a 730 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,079 series that was one and or, like decided by transition 731 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:03,960 but so far it feels like it's been decided By 732 00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,719 just like The so let's use game two As the 733 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,800 example where okase in quote lost the transition. Battle nine 734 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,239 To four it's like indy had more fast break points. 735 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,679 THAN nine to four i just thought we'd have a 736 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,239 game where that, number kind of explodes or it's both of. 737 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,719 Them kind of exploding but that PROBABLY speaks to the 738 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,039 iq and the like the defense of both of these 739 00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,559 teams for those those numbers. Not to be higher. 740 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,679 Speaker 3: We probably Should, have talked ABOUT shay especially when i 741 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,199 started up the entire podcast just. Bathing him in praise, 742 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,199 but you know what it's it's become this thing, that's 743 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,199 just we know like the secret is pretty much out 744 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,000 after you want, to repeat we know but, that dude. 745 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 2: Is ridiculous just. 746 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: Ridiculous oh he's absurd and it's just like every time 747 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,599 he takes one of, those like elbow jumpers if, It 748 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:56,039 doesn't go in i'm legitimately. Shocked on the inside but. 749 00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 3: It's more, than that it's, like, you know what screw. 750 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,280 Let's get into it. It's more than that it's when 751 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,480 he snakes, the pick and roll you just never know 752 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,679 WHETHER he's seeking the midi or, he's setting you up 753 00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,079 like lulling you into a false sense of Security, where 754 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,320 you're like oh he's he's gonna pull, up IN a 755 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,320 minute so i. Better stick to him and then he 756 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,760 just blows by your ass and gets to the rim 757 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,079 or draws, a foul or whatever like there is no 758 00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:27,480 way to fully understand what he is about to do, 759 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,559 because of that footwork, Which, is bloody gorgeous like there's 760 00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:35,039 no way. You know he'll dribble he'll like. Have this 761 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,320 hang dribble he'll like look at. Your feet as well 762 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,440 if your left foot is just an inch, in the wrong. 763 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,840 Direction he'll abuse it he's just, so frick and smart. 764 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: And he's made MORE by the Way I think and 765 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,679 kaylen COOPER had this dat i believe BY the way 766 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,320 that okc set their highest average like screens in terms 767 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,159 of difference distance away From the. Basket in game two 768 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,880 so giving him and that extra runway. Makes him more 769 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,559 dangerous and what even makes it more dangerous is if 770 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,840 you have one or two members of the supporting cast 771 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,199 like going and able to do, their own things again 772 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,519 tilt the defenses, or Just hitting shots shakeild jugxander becomes 773 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:14,639 that much, more dangerous as well because you can't just 774 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,480 kitch and sink. Him, on every possession nope can you 775 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,039 tell our listeners where they could find you and all 776 00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:20,960 the work that you do before we. 777 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,039 Speaker 3: Get out of here you can Find Me, over AT BLUE. 778 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,880 Sky at msja nba you can find On Work over At. 779 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,920 YAHOO sports and forbes, i HAVE The, podcast the nba 780 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:34,599 podcast and Also if, you're Into Danish stuff as tom, 781 00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:37,920 chambers once told me you Can go listen. 782 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 2: To buss your, people. 783 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,639 Speaker 1: Until next, time and as always we with the shout, 784 00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,079 out to, the one, the only, the legendary the indelible 785 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,199 the player who really could have tilted the outcome of 786 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,679 these finals had one of these teams and smart, Enough 787 00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,519 To Sign Him mister frank nila kina