Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now, here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 3: Hey, we got a new program for you this week.
Speaker 3: This is something that I've been working on now for
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, and we are pulling together some
Speaker 3: wellness material. It's called Biohacking Basics, and it includes all
Speaker 3: the various types of biohacking, from new tropics to intermittent fasting,
Speaker 3: sleep optimization, age biohacking, neurogenesis, and wellness programs. Now, this
Speaker 3: is something that I have hinted on over the last
Speaker 3: few months because we're screwed here in the United States
Speaker 3: on our wellness programs. Allopathic medicine is deadly. And when
Speaker 3: I say that, when you go to your doctor and
Speaker 3: you're okay, you're fine, You're just going for your checkup,
Speaker 3: and he or she is prescribing statins or blood thinners
Speaker 3: or other medicines, this is the beginning of a problematic cycle.
Speaker 3: And frankly, they don't understand wellness. All they understand is medicine,
Speaker 3: and medicines are extremely powerful and toxic to the body.
Speaker 3: I might have mentioned that I went through a series
Speaker 3: of medications after I had a heart attack and I
Speaker 3: am finally off of them after actually researching other ways
Speaker 3: to mitigate my wellness, and the most important really in
Speaker 3: my case was exercise getting the weight off. I'm still
Speaker 3: processing that, working with new tropics and vitamin therapy, cleaning
Speaker 3: up my diet, and I'm far from over. I'm still
Speaker 3: working on dropping weight and looking into weight loss programs
Speaker 3: like Ozimpic. Not necessarily getting the injections, but you can
Speaker 3: take low dose or what is known as microdoses of ozempic.
Speaker 3: And we'll have somebody on the show talking about these
Speaker 3: these powerful products that are peptides. They're not drugs, they're peptides,
Speaker 3: and this is a whole new way to gain wellness. Now,
Speaker 3: biohacking is something that's been around for probably I want
Speaker 3: to say, seven to ten years. Father of biohacking is
Speaker 3: Dave Asprey. Hoping to have him on the program. But
Speaker 3: this is actually where you can begin looking at yourself
Speaker 3: as your own healing mechanism rather than going to an
Speaker 3: allopath again when you go to your doctor. And I
Speaker 3: have been dealing with this myself. I'm with the Kaiser
Speaker 3: program here in Northern California. You are placing yourself in
Speaker 3: the hands of people who don't really understand the body's
Speaker 3: wellness system. All they understand is figures. They are expert
Speaker 3: at technology, and I really prefer to call a medical
Speaker 3: doctor a technologist because they have been trained to look
Speaker 3: at numbers as statistics, at drug approaches. And the biggest
Speaker 3: problem is that they are behoovent to the pharmaceutical companies
Speaker 3: and they the pharmaceutic pharmaceutical companies are paying for some
Speaker 3: of their programs. They are not enlightened whatsoever. They most
Speaker 3: doctors will not be able to tell you what nutritional
Speaker 3: approaches you should take to wellness if if you have
Speaker 3: gut problems, digestive problems, weight problems. They don't get it.
Speaker 3: They just don't get it. Now, it's not all bad,
Speaker 3: like I said, as technologists. If you are injured, they
Speaker 3: are excellent at trauma care. They're excellent at relieving damaged
Speaker 3: through auto accidents, through illnesses, things like that. But I
Speaker 3: have to tell you, if you have been given a
Speaker 3: dose of medicines, you need to wean yourself off of
Speaker 3: them as soon as possible because they are deadly over
Speaker 3: a long term period. So this new program, Biohacking Basics,
Speaker 3: is for you. It is designed for you to take
Speaker 3: your wellness into your own hands. We will have a
Speaker 3: number of people starting with this today's program, which is
Speaker 3: on saunas and light therapy, and these are things that
Speaker 3: have been around for decades and they help you begin
Speaker 3: to heal your issues, your digestion, your weight, your chronic illness, arthritis.
Speaker 3: I've even heard examples of people having ms that have
Speaker 3: been healed, neurological disorders and so forth and so on.
Speaker 3: We have to take matters into our own hands. The
Speaker 3: United States is the sickest country in the world because
Speaker 3: we rely on medicines over wellness, natural healing, natural foods, exercise,
Speaker 3: and things like meditation. So and I've been harping on
Speaker 3: meditation for a long time, so these are critical. I
Speaker 3: want to play a short program with the father of biohacking,
Speaker 3: that is Dave Osprey. And in this program he is
Speaker 3: talking about know your foods. Let's have a quick and.
Speaker 4: We've got to break this idea that when you're old,
Speaker 4: you're useless, right, And I mean it sounds rough to
Speaker 4: say that this is what a lot of people really have.
Speaker 1: And we have this picture in our head. In fact,
Speaker 1: you probably have this picture right now and.
Speaker 4: It's that there's tubes, there's monitors, there's wheelchairs, and you
Speaker 4: don't know your name, and you spend the last twenty
Speaker 4: years of your life in slow decline, suffering and spending
Speaker 4: all of your money and then basically dying in a hospital.
Speaker 1: That's actually not.
Speaker 4: What has happened throughout all of history, soil very recently,
Speaker 4: what used to happen was the village elder. You become
Speaker 4: old and wise and venerated, and you share your life's
Speaker 4: experience with a younger generation who at least those of
Speaker 4: them who are smart enough to listen, because it saves
Speaker 4: them all of the suffering. Human progress happens because we
Speaker 4: pass things on from the last generation to the new generation.
Speaker 4: So I spend as much time as I can interviewing
Speaker 4: people in their eighties and nineties. You know, oh, you
Speaker 4: want to Nobel prize. You're still running a lab at
Speaker 4: ninety four. I think I want to pick your brain. Right,
Speaker 4: that's Eric Candell, the guy who discovered neuroplastic and so
Speaker 4: to be able to do stuff like that, you got
Speaker 4: to first not die. And there's four things. This is
Speaker 4: like the thesis of my next but four things are
Speaker 4: going to kill you. They'll keep you from becoming an
Speaker 4: anti aging guru. And one of them is Alzheimer's disease.
Speaker 4: You look at the odds, your chances of getting Alzheimer's
Speaker 4: are probably approaching fifty percent.
Speaker 1: Depending on your gender. Women get it more than men.
Speaker 4: That I've been doing a lot of work with the
Speaker 4: Maria Shreiver's Women's Alzheimer's Project because this is a gender
Speaker 4: specific disease. Men get it, and people get more attention
Speaker 4: on men, but women get it more than men. And
Speaker 4: if Alzheimer's doesn't get you, what's going to get you
Speaker 4: cardiovascular disease? And if that doesn't get you cancer, And
Speaker 4: the thing that underlies all three of those conditions that
Speaker 4: is rampant.
Speaker 1: Is diabetes type two diabetes.
Speaker 4: So the first thing you do to live a long
Speaker 4: time is don't die from one of the big four killers.
Speaker 5: So you have the four killers, cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer's, and
Speaker 5: cardiovascular disease, right, And I'm guessing that the number one
Speaker 5: way to stop avoiding these things is the food that
Speaker 5: you eat.
Speaker 1: It is the food that you eat.
Speaker 4: And the Bulletproof Diet is a book I wrote in
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen that it really brought katosis back into the mainstream.
Speaker 4: And the very trick that didn't work in the seventies
Speaker 4: for katosis is that it matters what kind of fat
Speaker 4: you have.
Speaker 1: It matters what kind of protein you have. So here's
Speaker 1: something you can do.
Speaker 4: Google bulletproof Roadmap and this is the whole diet on
Speaker 4: one page infographic.
Speaker 1: You can print it out and put it on your fridge.
Speaker 4: It doesn't cost anything, and it just tells you this
Speaker 4: protein is less inflammatory than this protein.
Speaker 1: This fat is a good fat, this fat's a bad fat.
Speaker 4: And the trick here that will change your performance right
Speaker 4: now and how long you're going to live.
Speaker 1: Is that there's a big list of suspect foods in
Speaker 1: the middle. And this is going to sound shocking.
Speaker 4: The foods that work for you may not work for
Speaker 4: your spouse or your best friend.
Speaker 1: And it's okay that there is no This food is
Speaker 1: a good food.
Speaker 4: And when you identify the guilty suspects in your food
Speaker 4: supply guilty for you.
Speaker 1: It stops chronic inflammation.
Speaker 4: And chronic inflammation is a precursor to every one of
Speaker 4: the four killers, and it also is a precursor to diabetes.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping to have Dave on the program to address
Speaker 3: the specifics of biohacking in a short program. But like
Speaker 3: I said, we will. These are all special programs. They're
Speaker 3: going to be additional to the typical Destiny program, so
Speaker 3: they'll you'll you'll get a chance to listen to it.
Speaker 3: The title of each is Biohacking Basics, and they'll have
Speaker 3: the theme for the program with the expert on the
Speaker 3: program and all the details. So today's program is Biohacking Basics,
Speaker 3: Understanding Saunas and Light Therapy, and my guest is Brian Richards.
Speaker 3: We're featuring an incredible opportunity to visit one of the
Speaker 3: real enigmas of the ancient world, and that is Easter
Speaker 3: Island in the Pacific Ocean. This is a new tour
Speaker 3: that we're doing. It looks like this will probably be
Speaker 3: the only chance we get to go because it's very
Speaker 3: challenging to get over there. But we're lucky because doctor
Speaker 3: Edwin Barnhardt, our host and our tour leader, has been
Speaker 3: surveying this island for over a number of years and
Speaker 3: has some really amazing insights on just how detailed and
Speaker 3: how complicated and how mysterious this island is going to be.
Speaker 3: March fifteenth, through twenty third. I wanted to ask just
Speaker 3: a brief question or two because I obviously have never
Speaker 3: been there. I'm really excited to be a part of this.
Speaker 3: It was a highlight talk about the moi. There's a
Speaker 3: number of them, aren't there.
Speaker 6: There are so many moi there, it's outrageous. You see
Speaker 6: from coffee table books that there's lines of them, but
Speaker 6: in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and
Speaker 6: they're spread all over the island. They're where ancient villages
Speaker 6: used to be. So we're going to go visit a
Speaker 6: bunch of those. There's also the quarry. There's one quarry
Speaker 6: where almost all of them were made, and a lot
Speaker 6: of them are still half made lying in the quarry.
Speaker 6: That thing is just a sight to see how grew up.
Speaker 3: Briefly and I didn't realize they have an observatory there.
Speaker 3: Is it a planetarium or is it more of a
Speaker 3: setup for evening sites.
Speaker 6: It's a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man
Speaker 6: named EDMUNDO. Edwards who's been studying the archaeo astronomy of
Speaker 6: the island for his entire life, I think almost fifty
Speaker 6: years now. He knows more than anyone, and he put
Speaker 6: together this planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with
Speaker 6: the visitors to come to the place.
Speaker 3: Fantastic. So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is
Speaker 3: a week, and it sounds like we've really packed a
Speaker 3: lot in during those seven days, right.
Speaker 6: I tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across,
Speaker 6: there is an endless amount of things to see there.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to it fantastic all right. For more information,
Speaker 3: you go to earthncients dot com forward slash tours, look
Speaker 3: for the photo of Ed standing next to one of
Speaker 3: the big Mai sculptures, and registered as soon as you can.
Speaker 3: I want to let you know that we are now
Speaker 3: looking at being fairly full. The maximum we're going to
Speaker 3: take us thirty people, so we might be be getting
Speaker 3: really close to that. So again, go to earthncients dot
Speaker 3: com forward slash tours. Thanks Ed, Thank you, Cliff. So
Speaker 3: we're continuing our look at biohacking, which is changing your chemistry,
Speaker 3: your physiology through science and through experimentation. I don't like
Speaker 3: that last part too much, the experimentation, but I am
Speaker 3: going to do my best to help you listeners get
Speaker 3: a sense of where you can go outside of the
Speaker 3: allopathic method or the practice, and I will present as
Speaker 3: many individuals and therapies as possible that you can use
Speaker 3: to change the way things are happening. If you're not
Speaker 3: in great health, if you're in poor health, if you're okay,
Speaker 3: everything that I'm submitting, everything that you'll be listening to,
Speaker 3: will be ways for you to change your state of wellness.
Speaker 3: So the first person today is Brian Richards. Brian is
Speaker 3: a founder. He's an entrepreneur I would consider a sauna space.
Speaker 3: He's in Missouri and he's been doing this for a while.
Speaker 3: We're going to learn about not only what saunas are
Speaker 3: all about, but there's a technology he incorporates that is
Speaker 3: not traditional in his saunas that is very very cool.
Speaker 3: So Brian, welcome to Destiny. Great to see you.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me, Kliff.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about saunas for a minute. Traditionally, I have
Speaker 3: heard of sweat lodges where you go in and they
Speaker 3: have a fire, or where I'm here in the East
Speaker 3: Bay of the San Francisco Bay Area in Berkeley, we
Speaker 3: have a sauna where they take and they heat up
Speaker 3: stones and it's hot enough that you begin sweating in
Speaker 3: these little woodline boxes. But traditionally the sauna is for
Speaker 3: sweaty But what else do we learn when we sweat?
Speaker 3: What else do we know about sweating?
Speaker 2: Well, we know a lot of things based on research
Speaker 2: that's been conducted in the last few decades. So of
Speaker 2: course our ancestors understood this, and you see sauna as
Speaker 2: like a tradition in almost every human culture, and there
Speaker 2: are many different types of suna, and also nowadays in
Speaker 2: the modern area, there are so many more. It all
Speaker 2: comes back to basically doing two things.
Speaker 7: Cliff.
Speaker 2: You're trying to raise your core temperature by about three
Speaker 2: degrees so it sustained increasing core temperature that's held. And
Speaker 2: then you want to provoke profound sweating, so like you know,
Speaker 2: like a pound of water even you know, you want
Speaker 2: to sweat ideally in a sauna session. And what we
Speaker 2: see in the recent research is that sauna, if you
Speaker 2: do that, sauna increases your health span, So it increases
Speaker 2: your risk or excuse me, it increases your the years
Speaker 2: of your life that you're healthy. Another way of saying
Speaker 2: that is it reduces your risk of dying of all
Speaker 2: things non trauma related.
Speaker 7: So it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It's not just for like one problem or another in
Speaker 2: the in the health world, you know, no matter where
Speaker 2: you're at and what you're dealing with, sauna is going
Speaker 2: to help you. And so I'm referring to what's now
Speaker 2: like over twenty year study approaching thirty year study of
Speaker 2: thousands of finished mails where they were tracking cardiovascular disease
Speaker 2: and heart attacks, and they found that that was the
Speaker 2: case if you did some sauna a week, just one
Speaker 2: sauna on a week, and in each sauna session you
Speaker 2: want to raise core temperature three degrees fairynheight and sweat
Speaker 2: out one pound of water. But what they also found
Speaker 2: was that if you increase your frequency from one to
Speaker 2: three days a week, you reduced your all cosmortality another
Speaker 2: like thirty percent or more. Is this huge increase, So
Speaker 2: the more sauna per week is actually even better. And
Speaker 2: that study and some other studies have also been going on.
Speaker 2: That study in particular continued where over the next five
Speaker 2: to seven years with the same test group, they looked
Speaker 2: at dementia outcomes and they found the exact same thing
Speaker 2: that sauna. Frequent sauna use reduces your risk of dementia,
Speaker 2: and the more you use it, the better. Ideally something
Speaker 2: like three times a week. So when we use sauna,
Speaker 2: we're increasing our healthspen and we're making sure our brain works,
Speaker 2: you know, well into the later years. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: we can talk definitely about the cellular science of like
Speaker 2: why that is.
Speaker 3: But let's talk a little bit about this study that
Speaker 3: you discovered in Finland. These cardiac patients. What did they
Speaker 3: say was the reason for their heart healing? Was it
Speaker 3: because the effects of sona is a detox you're sweating
Speaker 3: impurities out or was there something that was more directed
Speaker 3: at the heart healing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are basically two things going on that that
Speaker 2: bring these these outcomes to the whole body, to the
Speaker 2: whole person. And one is as you said, it's detox.
Speaker 2: So we're removing poisons from the cells and the body.
Speaker 2: The body is designed to detox from the inside out,
Speaker 2: not really from the outside d So there are ways
Speaker 2: to detox from sort of.
Speaker 7: The outside in.
Speaker 2: You can take uh, you know, you can do like
Speaker 2: colonics and you can take you can do juice cleanses
Speaker 2: and things like that. But then the mental way that
Speaker 2: you go into every cell of the body, the deepest
Speaker 2: organs of the body and you remove poisons and toxes
Speaker 2: for them is with heat, and it's because when you
Speaker 2: heat up the cell by three degrees for a period
Speaker 2: of minutes, of produces what's called a heat shock protein.
Speaker 2: These are not normally there. You have to heat up
Speaker 2: the cell quite a bit for quite a while to
Speaker 2: do that. When you do that, these heat shock proteins
Speaker 2: are produced by the cell and they help make cell
Speaker 2: detox more efficient and really effective. But they also do
Speaker 2: another thing. They also refold misfolded proteins and move them
Speaker 2: around in the cell, and that has a cellular rejuvenation,
Speaker 2: a cellular reoptimization effect. So we're not just cleaning up
Speaker 2: the cell with detox, we're also fixing how the proteins work.
Speaker 2: And the proteins in the body are like the line.
Speaker 7: Workers in the body.
Speaker 2: They're doing all of the hard work, and they're very
Speaker 2: complicated structures. If you've looked at them ever, you know,
Speaker 2: in biology class or something. They're these very complicated structures
Speaker 2: that are supposed fit lock and key, like a lock
Speaker 2: in a keyhole with each other, and that's how they
Speaker 2: talk and communicate and do their jobs. But most you know,
Speaker 2: probably like twenty or thirty percent of the proteins. As
Speaker 2: soon as they're made by the ribosome and the cell,
Speaker 2: they're already misfolded, so they're already not able to do.
Speaker 7: Their job perfectly well.
Speaker 2: But when the heat shock proteins are produced, they go
Speaker 2: in and they refold them, make them beautiful again, and
Speaker 2: get them working perfectly. So when we do sauna in
Speaker 2: every cell of the body, we cleanse the cell and
Speaker 2: we re optimize cellular function. So in this study, they
Speaker 2: were looking at cardiac disease and heart attack, and they
Speaker 2: saw that the risks of these two things went down dramatically.
Speaker 2: But if you look at other areas of research into
Speaker 2: s there's so many studies now thousands, really, you see
Speaker 2: a general reduction and risk of disease. So that's why
Speaker 2: we can kind of set back and say, look, it's
Speaker 2: actually a reduction in all causes of mortality you know
Speaker 2: that are not trauma related, all disease types. You know,
Speaker 2: everything is getting better when we do sauna. And that's
Speaker 2: because it's not just affecting the heart or the blood vessels.
Speaker 2: It's affecting literally every cell of the body and making
Speaker 2: it work better and purifying it. And if we step
Speaker 2: back out of the allopathic model and into more of
Speaker 2: the functional medicine wellness model. We start to understand that
Speaker 2: we're not deficient in drugs as like the cause of
Speaker 2: our illness or not being well. The body is this perfect,
Speaker 2: perfectly divinely designed system that has unlimited healing power inside
Speaker 2: of it. It just needs these like really simple things
Speaker 2: from nature to work really well. So disease or wellness
Speaker 2: is much better described as a harmony or disharmony in
Speaker 2: the internal environment and also in the external environment. And
Speaker 2: in terms of the internal environment, if there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of gun clogging out the cells, they just don't work
Speaker 2: well and they cause and there's as there's damage that
Speaker 2: the cell devolves and degenerates and doesn't work well. So
Speaker 2: with sauna we're improving all of the functions of the
Speaker 2: cell in a sense, and we're also you know, purifying
Speaker 2: the temple so things work really well. No, no different
Speaker 2: than a car and you can't just fuel it up.
Speaker 3: What are we're talking about in terms of a therapeutic approach.
Speaker 3: Are we saying general wellness somebody who's okay, doesn't have
Speaker 3: a chronic illness should do it once a week, once
Speaker 3: every two weeks. What is a maintenance for for general wellness.
Speaker 3: And then on the same note, somebody who's perhaps chronically ill,
Speaker 3: has arthritis, has a degenerative condition, what's the story for them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they which is actually the same.
Speaker 2: So I have been using my product for over ten
Speaker 2: years and I still use it three or four days
Speaker 2: a week when I'm on the home front. The challenge
Speaker 2: is that we live in a really, really toxic world
Speaker 2: nowadays that our ancestors didn't even really deal with. They
Speaker 2: understood sauna was not just a luxury. It's this really
Speaker 2: powerful tool for wellness and also for like brain health
Speaker 2: and for like calming the nervous system, and it has
Speaker 2: so many other effects beyond just making yourselves work well.
Speaker 2: But nowadays it becomes not just a luxury but really essential.
Speaker 2: We're exposed to so many things due to modern technology
Speaker 2: and poor quality water and poor quality food that we
Speaker 2: need to constantly detox. We need to constantly be proactive
Speaker 2: and on the leading edge of keeping our bodies clean,
Speaker 2: and there is no more effective way to do that
Speaker 2: than sauna. So if you're sick or if you're well,
Speaker 2: you're going to benefit from using a sauna. So like
Speaker 2: if you if you are really if you're if you're
Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of issues, you're going to see
Speaker 2: really amazing improvement. If you're already really healthy and really optimized,
Speaker 2: when you go into the sauna, you'll benefit more from
Speaker 2: the the like improve cognitive function and improve sleep, and
Speaker 2: improve function of your cardiovascular system. And for me, yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely being pretty healthy. There's a noticeable difference after I
Speaker 2: use a song in the morning or my brain function,
Speaker 2: Like I'm just I'm more zen, more grounded, I'm more present,
Speaker 2: I have more more energy, And you know that effects.
Speaker 2: It influences everything you do, whether you're an athlete and
Speaker 2: you're into performance optimization, or you're trying to recover, you know,
Speaker 2: after a work app or you're just like most people
Speaker 2: just kind of stress out and and you are trying
Speaker 2: to relax your nervous system, get it out of this
Speaker 2: fight or flight state and into.
Speaker 7: A rest and digest and heal state.
Speaker 2: So even uh, you know, people who are really taking
Speaker 2: care of their health, most of them are using some
Speaker 2: kind of sauna.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. I think in the beginning you said sweat out,
Speaker 3: was it a quart of water?
Speaker 7: Every sound of water a pound?
Speaker 3: How do you gauge a pound of water? Is it just?
Speaker 3: Is that just that you've been sweating consistently for fifteen
Speaker 3: minutes and that equals a quart of water? A gallon
Speaker 3: of water?
Speaker 7: Scoos, Yeah, yeah, kind of.
Speaker 2: I mean you can be kind of left brain in
Speaker 2: the beginning and you could actually weigh yourself before and
Speaker 2: after the station. Yeah, your your weight loss would be
Speaker 2: your sweat loss, so you could you could figure it
Speaker 2: out that way. But after you do it for a while, yeah, Cliffy,
Speaker 2: just you see the sweat rolling off of you and
Speaker 2: and you reach that point where you know you've you've
Speaker 2: sweat enough. It's pretty much you know, the same. You
Speaker 2: can if you're wanting to also measure their temperature increase.
Speaker 2: You can use an instant read thermometer and measure yourself
Speaker 2: before and during the session. You can kind of get
Speaker 2: a feeling for, oh wow, this is like three degree
Speaker 2: temperature increase. This is what it feels like. This is
Speaker 2: how my sweat response is. So you can measure those
Speaker 2: two outcomes really easily with some really affordable tools. You're
Speaker 2: also trying to reach a state of subjective exhaustion, and
Speaker 2: that's where you kind of feel uncomfortable. It's kind of
Speaker 2: it's like when you work out, and you work out,
Speaker 2: you do something really hard and you are you get tired,
Speaker 2: you get you get uncomfortable. When you do that, you
Speaker 2: produce dinorphans, and dinorphans lead to the production of endorphins afterwards.
Speaker 2: That feeling of elation that you get after the workout,
Speaker 2: that I feel great, feel amazing, that corresponds to how
Speaker 2: many dinorphans you produce sort of during that stage of
Speaker 2: discomfort at the end. So that's the ones subjective outcome
Speaker 2: that you're going for a sauna session, But practically after
Speaker 2: you do it, you know, you know what it takes
Speaker 2: to get to that point, and that's kind of the
Speaker 2: goal of every sauna session. But it's also beneficial to
Speaker 2: vary things up. You know, I don't I do use
Speaker 2: it most days of the week, but sometimes I do
Speaker 2: a shorter session, sometimes I do a longer session. Once
Speaker 2: in a while, I do two songs in one day.
Speaker 2: There's some newer research showing a very dramatic increase in
Speaker 2: production of growth hormone naturally in the body when you
Speaker 2: do a sauna twice in a day. So you know,
Speaker 2: there's different ways you can vary it up, and there's
Speaker 2: other benefits to to sauna, but essentially it's great for
Speaker 2: everybody and the it doesn't matter what sauna technology you use,
Speaker 2: that's the outcome you're going for. You could even if
Speaker 2: you couldn't afford a sauna, you could put you could
Speaker 2: fill your baths up up with really really hot water
Speaker 2: and get inside and you'll sweat and you'll get a
Speaker 2: really nice whole body hypothermia. So that's the you know,
Speaker 2: that's the outcome of all sauna sessions. It's not about
Speaker 2: how hot the room is or anything about the environment.
Speaker 2: All that matters is what is the effect on my body. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so with my technology, that process is just a
Speaker 2: lot faster.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to talk about your tech here in
Speaker 3: a second, because it's pretty revolutionary. But I do water
Speaker 3: fast every quarter every year, four times a year, which
Speaker 3: where I won't eat anything for a week and then
Speaker 3: on Monday I do moneys of each week, I do
Speaker 3: like a a short fast. But what is the difference
Speaker 3: of fasting without eating food and which is a detox
Speaker 3: and sauna Because sauna is the inside sweating out, whereas
Speaker 3: for me, the detox through fasting is the body inside
Speaker 3: the organs in the in the system begins to clean
Speaker 3: itself out because you're shutting off your digestive system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh, that's called autopogy or autophagy. So it's
Speaker 2: that's a wonderful benefit of of doing a good fast
Speaker 2: and I'm a huge fan of that. It actually complements
Speaker 2: sauna extremely well. So the cell is already trying to
Speaker 2: detox all the time. When you fast, you basically remove
Speaker 2: the digestive burden on the body, and the meta metabolism
Speaker 2: kind of changes. And after you fast long enough, you
Speaker 2: get to the point where the amount of autophogy so
Speaker 2: cell turnover, the cell starts making new parts of itself
Speaker 2: and discarding and eliminating detoxing, you know, the the old
Speaker 2: used stuff, the the extra stuff.
Speaker 7: It uh, it's it's something.
Speaker 2: That's going on all the time, but there's not really
Speaker 2: heat shock protein involvement. When you he eat up the cell,
Speaker 2: you bring in basically this extraordinary the special forces of
Speaker 2: detox they're coming in and they're they're accelerating and helping
Speaker 2: make detox a lot more efficient, a lot more effective,
Speaker 2: and particularly like uh, you know, one of the other
Speaker 2: things that sauna does is improves blood flow. It vasodilates
Speaker 2: your blood vessels, so it improves blood flow, and it
Speaker 2: improves tissue oxygenation. But it's also with improved blood flow
Speaker 2: giving the cells more blood to remove toxins through, so
Speaker 2: you get more blood flow, and then you have these
Speaker 2: special forces going in and really accelerating the cellular detox
Speaker 2: that the cell can't do nearly as well on its own.
Speaker 3: So there you're saying that the sauna actually turns on
Speaker 3: special healing forces within the body to extract Is that
Speaker 3: what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's activating the production of these special
Speaker 2: forces that are normally not working a resting bodies. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they don't exist in the cell.
Speaker 3: Really interesting, you have to.
Speaker 2: Heat up the cell long enough and then they get produced,
Speaker 2: and then they go in and have this additive, like
Speaker 2: really powerful assisting role to help the cell do the
Speaker 2: job that it's already trying to do all the time.
Speaker 3: Hmm. Fascinating. Before we go in, I want to talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about your personal journey. But before we
Speaker 3: go there, let's talk about cognitive enhancement. And you touched
Speaker 3: on that a little bit. When we do a sauna
Speaker 3: how does it help the brain. Of course we know
Speaker 3: that it is clearing toxins throughout the blood system and
Speaker 3: most of the organs are doing probably a dump. But
Speaker 3: what else do we know about cognitive function and it's
Speaker 3: and SNA's ability to address that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it One of the things heat does is
Speaker 2: to the nerve cells. If we're talking about cognitive function,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the brain and the nervous system in general.
Speaker 2: Is it It promotes production of brain derived neurotropic factor BDNF,
Speaker 2: And that's kind of like a miracle grow for your brain.
Speaker 2: It's this important like protein that the brain uses to
Speaker 2: improve its functions. So when you what we see in
Speaker 2: the research is when you use SONA frequently, it improves
Speaker 2: your cognitive function across the board. So talking about memory, memory, recall,
Speaker 2: decision making, responsiveness, you know, whether you're in a conversation
Speaker 2: with a family member or you're on the field, you know,
Speaker 2: playing soccer, there's there's a there's a sharpness that you
Speaker 2: get and so we call that overall improve cognitive function,
Speaker 2: and it's very well demonstrated.
Speaker 7: So the brain.
Speaker 2: The BDNF effect is one effect. The other effects are
Speaker 2: just as important though, cleaning the brain of toxins. We're
Speaker 2: exposed to so much, you know, so many heavy metals
Speaker 2: and chemicals like round up, glyphosate and even like nanoparticles
Speaker 2: nowadays and plastic and just like that would mess up
Speaker 2: any other organ it also messes up the brain, and
Speaker 2: you know, like like Alzheimer's for example, can also be
Speaker 2: called type three diabetes. So it's also aspects of our
Speaker 2: diet lead to build up of pollution basically in the brain,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't work as well. So when we're detoxing
Speaker 2: the brain and improving blood flow to it, it also has,
Speaker 2: you know, this sort of collaborative effect on the nervous system.
Speaker 2: It's also very calmly to the nervous system. So you
Speaker 2: also see some research in using sauna to help people
Speaker 2: with neuropathy and people with neuro degenerated disease like fibromyalgia
Speaker 2: and things like that, where it's helping ameliorate symptoms and
Speaker 2: helping people just improve the functioning and the plasticity of
Speaker 2: the nervous system.
Speaker 3: I love the idea that the brain is affected by
Speaker 3: this sauna technique because we don't pay enough attention to
Speaker 3: our brains, and I think this is why there's a
Speaker 3: huge episode of Alzheimer's in dementia going on right now.
Speaker 3: We just don't think about it, and we most of
Speaker 3: us eat crap, exercise enough, and so we're just turning
Speaker 3: into a garbage can and a walking garbage can, which
Speaker 3: is just really, really bad. Also, one of the things
Speaker 3: that you write about, or you mentioned in this brief
Speaker 3: outline that I read, is that it's good for weight loss.
Speaker 3: You can actually lose some weight and benefit from that
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 8: Talk a little bit about Yeah, so sauna does it
Speaker 8: initially is a sympathetic activity, so it activates your nervous system.
Speaker 2: It's really equivalent a good saua session's equivalent to like
Speaker 2: between a seventy and one hundred kilowatt workout, So that's
Speaker 2: that's like going on a good run for twenty minutes
Speaker 2: or something. So you're just sitting there in the sauna
Speaker 2: doing nothing, just being you know, just relaxing, and but
Speaker 2: your body is increasing heart rate, increasing blood flow, and
Speaker 2: you know, stimulating various cellular responses that lead to.
Speaker 7: Weight loss.
Speaker 2: So it's also a very safe way to address you know,
Speaker 2: getting rid of like unwanted body fat, like that the
Speaker 2: body uses fat to hide toxins. The body can detox
Speaker 2: something if it has the energy and reserves to do so,
Speaker 2: but if it's overwhelmed with toxins, like it is for
Speaker 2: so many people all the time, it'll take a toxin
Speaker 2: and surround it by with fat cells. So when we
Speaker 2: have a lot of unwanted fat on our body that
Speaker 2: we're trying to dump and get rid of, it's a
Speaker 2: detoxification process. Again, we're not just burning the fat for metabolism.
Speaker 2: We're also dealing with this dump of toxins that comes out.
Speaker 2: So when we're in the sauna, we're able to sort
Speaker 2: of process that in a lot more ideal fashion and
Speaker 2: help the body and assist it in getting rid of
Speaker 2: these toxins that are hidden in the adipose tissue. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: the sauna is a great way to compliment someone who's
Speaker 2: on the journey of like trying to lose weight.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about Brian Richards's journey wellness journey. You
Speaker 3: were in a bad place there for a while. Talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about what happened where you were at
Speaker 3: and kind of the result of your therapy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was sort of at the end of my
Speaker 2: college career, I gotten into rental real estate. I thought
Speaker 2: I was going to be a king of real estate.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about the emotional aspects of being a
Speaker 2: landlord and all that. I'm just not I quickly realized
Speaker 2: I'm not built for that. I just love to make
Speaker 2: beautiful things. You build things, But.
Speaker 3: You weren't a good land manager.
Speaker 2: No, I'm good at managing the property, but the people
Speaker 2: it was, it was just not. My heart wasn't in it.
Speaker 2: I'm a nice person overall. So it is in the
Speaker 2: midst of that that I had these health concerns come up.
Speaker 2: So I was dealing with what's called adrenal fatigue. So
Speaker 2: it was really lethargic, low energy. It was kind of
Speaker 2: irascible and bad mood, you know. And I also had
Speaker 2: acne insomnia and I would just lay there in bed.
Speaker 2: It would take a long time to fall asleep. And
Speaker 2: my mother is a functional medical doctor. She's a general practice,
Speaker 2: but really focused on wellness for a long time. And
Speaker 2: she actually said, you know what, Brian, you're probably just toxic.
Speaker 2: You probably need to get a sauna in detox. And
Speaker 2: I was so I took her a recommendation and went
Speaker 2: online and found some of this amazing research. And during
Speaker 2: my research I also found doctor Kellogg's electric light bath.
Speaker 2: So this is the brother of the guy who invented
Speaker 2: Kellogg's cornflakes. Doctor Kellogg had a spa in Biocreek, Michigan
Speaker 2: in the early twentieth century, and right after electric light
Speaker 2: bulbs were invented, the incandescent type, the original type. He
Speaker 2: saw these light bulbs and he was like, these are amazing.
Speaker 2: Let's make a sauna with them. There's something special about
Speaker 2: the light and something special about it how it heats
Speaker 2: up the body better than a traditional sauna. So he
Speaker 2: tested this on fifty thousand patients and logged all of it,
Speaker 2: wrote a book about it called light Therapeutics that was
Speaker 2: published in nineteen oh five.
Speaker 7: So we're talking about it.
Speaker 3: Because I was remembering Kellogg was like turn of the century,
Speaker 3: like the early nineteen hundreds, So this goes way back.
Speaker 2: This is over one hundred and twenty years old, and
Speaker 2: he was actually a part of a cohort of scientists
Speaker 2: and doctors and researchers who were using electric light bulbs
Speaker 2: for healing in the early twentieth century at the same
Speaker 2: time as Tesla. This was when there was a lot
Speaker 2: of really cool, really effective wellness technology that was being
Speaker 2: used in America before the rise of allopathic medicine, the
Speaker 2: publication of the Flexner Report and the rise of the
Speaker 2: medical doctor is the only type of medical care, and
Speaker 2: the rise of the FDA, and all of this stuff
Speaker 2: got lost in time along with chiropractic. And you know,
Speaker 2: there used to be like spas all across the US
Speaker 2: where you go and you'd sit in the healing waters
Speaker 2: and you get massages and you do different therapies and
Speaker 2: all that stuff kind of disappeared for a long time.
Speaker 2: And now we've in the last few decades we've kind
Speaker 2: of rediscovered.
Speaker 7: All of it.
Speaker 2: So anyway, doctor Kellogg, he's known for a lot of
Speaker 2: funny things, and he was an experimenter. You know, he
Speaker 2: was trying outside. This was one of his best experiments.
Speaker 2: He had such a credible success in healing all types
Speaker 2: of chronic disease that he came up against uh and
Speaker 2: literally documented, you know, over fifty thousand chronically O patients.
Speaker 2: So I found this concept and a modern sort of rendition,
Speaker 2: and I built my own. I was like, I'll just
Speaker 2: build this and and I used it right before bed
Speaker 2: and I slept well.
Speaker 3: Dude, you must be pretty handy just to build your
Speaker 3: own sauna. What did you do? You like pull some
Speaker 3: sheets together and create like the first enclosure and then
Speaker 3: you lit it up or something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I was. I had a couple.
Speaker 2: I bought a couple of painters cloths, you know, from
Speaker 2: the store. Ok, and I yeah, I wired up a
Speaker 2: bunch of heat lamps and the frame was made of
Speaker 2: plumbing pipe.
Speaker 7: I mean it was. It was super.
Speaker 2: It was very brick alage, you know, it was very ugly,
Speaker 2: and it was amazing. Like I consider in that, like
Speaker 2: we're literally one use before bed and I slept well, ma,
Speaker 2: insomnia is gone. So the same night I do The
Speaker 2: next night, I do the same thing, same result. I
Speaker 2: go to sleep quickly, wake up incredibly well rested, and
Speaker 2: I was like wow. So I continued to use it
Speaker 2: for six months, and it took about that much time,
Speaker 2: maybe a little less, but I had this slow awakening
Speaker 2: and realization that wow, I didn't even know I had
Speaker 2: brain fog before I actually did, because my mind was
Speaker 2: super clear, and my mood had changed, my positivity and
Speaker 2: my patience and just drive. And on top of that,
Speaker 2: my skin looked really awesome. That acne I had, it
Speaker 2: was only on the back of my body, like where
Speaker 2: my kidneys are, so that all went away and so
Speaker 2: like complete rejuvenation. And really all I was doing was
Speaker 2: just sitting in this thing, and I wasn't going to
Speaker 2: working out and taking a bunch of supplements, and it
Speaker 2: was really just this one thing. And there was also
Speaker 2: I did change my diet a little bit and kind
Speaker 2: of got away from eating a lot of bread and
Speaker 2: carbs and sort of you know, any of that process
Speaker 2: type stuff. But as a as one like healing practice
Speaker 2: that I was doing, and I was really blown away
Speaker 2: at how easy this was. And I looked around and
Speaker 2: there was no electric light bath, Like where is this
Speaker 2: son of technology? Why couldn't I have just purchased this?
Speaker 2: And that kind of led to the inspiration for the
Speaker 2: formation of the company. I started making a few for
Speaker 2: friends and family, and eventually I was like, I got
Speaker 2: this doctor's endorsement and and I wanted to take it seriously,
Speaker 2: and I basically just dropped my tools in the rental
Speaker 2: house I was working on, and I formed the company
Speaker 2: and made a website and got a credit card gateway
Speaker 2: and stuff, and the rest is an exciting even though
Speaker 2: it was a very tumultuous entrepreneurial story to get me
Speaker 2: to now I'm you know, I'm speaking to you in
Speaker 2: my factory here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see your your shop. They're amazing. We're
Speaker 3: going to take a short commercial break to allow our
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Speaker 3: my guest today, Brian Richards, discussing sauna and light therapies.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. My guess today is Brian Richards,
Speaker 3: the founder of Sauna Space, a sauna company in Missouri,
Speaker 3: and he is discussing the benefits of biohacking your health
Speaker 3: using heat through light therapy and the benefits of detoxing
Speaker 3: by using saunas. Talk a little bit about the bulb technology,
Speaker 3: because on your website, you know, they look like red
Speaker 3: bulbs with just the regular kind of setup. They're not unusual,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure they're manufactured in a different manner.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What we use is is incandescent light, and that's different
Speaker 2: from all the other saunas out there and all the
Speaker 2: other light therapies. There where a sauna that incorporates light
Speaker 2: and heat therapy together. The heart of the technology is
Speaker 2: our what I used to call our Thermali bulb, But Cliff,
Speaker 2: we're actually rebranding in September, and I'll go ahead and
Speaker 2: tell you the new name. It's gonna be called the
Speaker 2: fire Light Bulb. But basically what it is is a
Speaker 2: bold that I developed over three or four years. So
Speaker 2: I took the original heat lamp like doctor Kellogg used,
Speaker 2: and I did testing and experiments to improve the light
Speaker 2: therapy component of it. So the film inside is redesigned
Speaker 2: and improved to emit more near and for ad light
Speaker 2: than a regular heat lamp, and so that results in
Speaker 2: more radiant heating of the body and a lot more
Speaker 2: light therapy, which we haven't talked about.
Speaker 7: But after that.
Speaker 2: Sort of product development process had completed, I introduced this
Speaker 2: in my twenty eighteen I think, and it's been an
Speaker 2: amazing success ever since. You know, the original song that
Speaker 2: I use was doctor Kellogg's heat lamps. You know that
Speaker 2: you can get that are just you know, widely available, but.
Speaker 7: Ours is.
Speaker 2: Basically purpose design for human therapy. It's also a handmade
Speaker 2: bulb with mouth blown, hand rolled glass. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of love and attention behind the the making of it,
Speaker 2: but ultimately it's it's an improvement on the original light bulb,
Speaker 2: and in general, the concept is to use light that
Speaker 2: mimics the light of nature as the light source for
Speaker 2: these healing therapies. So incandescent light is what is the
Speaker 2: only type of light we find in nature, and that's
Speaker 2: the sun. The Sun is an incandescent light source that basically,
Speaker 2: when you heat a material up hot and nature, it glows,
Speaker 2: you know, like the fire or the sun, and the
Speaker 2: temperature of the light source de termines the spectrum. So
Speaker 2: you can see this and coate this and measure it
Speaker 2: from the Sun, and you can see that the Sun
Speaker 2: has a little bit has ultraviolelight, blue light, red light,
Speaker 2: it has all the and all the infrared. What we've
Speaker 2: done is we've said, hey, let's use let's mimic the Sun,
Speaker 2: but let's remove the ultravioletlight in the blue light, the
Speaker 2: ultraviolight in the blue light are the super high energy
Speaker 2: wavelengths of the Sun that are damaging to us. Now,
Speaker 2: ultraviolight has some benefit in promoting vitamin DE production in
Speaker 2: the body, but at the same time it's also mutagenic.
Speaker 2: It damages your DNA. Thankfully, from the Sun, you get
Speaker 2: a little bit of that damage from ultraviolet light, and
Speaker 2: you get this huge dose of near infrared that stimulates
Speaker 2: mitochondrial responses in the body that heal us that are
Speaker 2: anti inflammation, They promote regeneration and anti aging and do
Speaker 2: with these amazing things in the cells. And that's because
Speaker 2: fundamentally we're light beings. We're beings of light, and we
Speaker 2: literally consume light directly from the Sun for energy and
Speaker 2: for a lot of healing in the cell. And so
Speaker 2: the sun, so the fire light bulb is mimicking the Sun,
Speaker 2: but without the ultrabiolight and the blue and the Sun's
Speaker 2: the rest of the sun spectrum what's called the fire
Speaker 2: light spectrum. It's a little bit of red and a
Speaker 2: lot of near infrared, and a little bit of minute forred,
Speaker 2: and a little bit of fire thread and nearing forred. Actually
Speaker 2: is about seventy percent of the power we absorb from
Speaker 2: the Sun. So our experience with the Sun is mostly
Speaker 2: about near infrared and certain there's two pieces of near infrared. One,
Speaker 2: the higher energy portion stimulates light therapy results like what
Speaker 2: people commonly refer to as red light therapy, and then
Speaker 2: the other portion of the near infrared ban is radiant
Speaker 2: heat that heats you from within, so it's heat that's
Speaker 2: going in deeply into the body and heating you as
Speaker 2: the sun does from the inside out. We're not using
Speaker 2: the air in the room to heat us up in
Speaker 2: a sauna space, unlike traditional saunas or fire for its sawas,
Speaker 2: we're using light itself that goes deep into the body
Speaker 2: to promote this healing. So I saw this concept with
Speaker 2: doctor Kellogg, and I took it and modernized the bulb
Speaker 2: and did a lot of purpose driven design, and like
Speaker 2: the design of the sauna itself incorporated like EMF shielding
Speaker 2: and the grounding mat and a Faraday enclosure system that's
Speaker 2: optional that like blocks out all the cell phone and
Speaker 2: Wi Fi and Bluetooth, because I was trying to recreate
Speaker 2: this ancestral experience as much as possible.
Speaker 7: If you go back to the wellness.
Speaker 2: Paradigm and allopathic versus more natural functional approach to our wellness,
Speaker 2: it's these simple things in nature that the body needs,
Speaker 2: not just one or two, but all of them. So
Speaker 2: like with light, we want light in its natural form.
Speaker 2: It's not just one wavelength or a portion of the spectrum.
Speaker 2: It's really as much as possible the full spectrum version
Speaker 2: of it. You know what they call in science the
Speaker 2: cacophony effect. When you when you take vitamin C out
Speaker 2: of an orange and you fractionate it, separate it. You
Speaker 2: can give a high dose of that to someone, and
Speaker 2: that can be really helpful if you're sick. But there's
Speaker 2: no question that if you know you just eat the
Speaker 2: orange every day, if you just have things more in
Speaker 2: their natural state. You're eating natural food, you're getting natural light,
Speaker 2: clean water, and you're using a sauna and doing other
Speaker 2: things that are the way our ancestors lived and the
Speaker 2: way human biology is programmed to be in you have
Speaker 2: an amazing formula for wellness and this and the stimuli
Speaker 2: the things of your bodies needs are are really simple,
Speaker 2: and the number one need is light. The number one
Speaker 2: nutrient is light. Our bodies are much less biochemical than
Speaker 2: they are electromagnetic.
Speaker 3: We're actually we don't have the technology to feed or
Speaker 3: understand how the body is absorbing light and process see it,
Speaker 3: because we don't we don't have the tech. But you're
Speaker 3: describing how our ancestors understood this, and what you've done
Speaker 3: apparently is developed the filament of the bulb and put
Speaker 3: and a coating that creates uh, what sunlight would you say.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm uh, I like, I like calling it the
Speaker 2: firelight spectrum. So it's sunlight without the ultraviolet light and
Speaker 2: the blue light without the damaging without the damaging. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's mostly in the film that there's no
Speaker 2: coding to the bulb. It's just, uh, it's what's called
Speaker 2: hard quartz glass. So everything about the bulb is like
Speaker 2: pro in design. Even the glass itself is not the
Speaker 2: cheap soft glass. It's quartz glass, which is a high
Speaker 2: frequency material among materials. But yeah, it's it's basically taking
Speaker 2: the full healing complement of of the wavelengths of the
Speaker 2: sun that are really nourishing to us, whether it's a
Speaker 2: heat therapy effect or light therapy effect, and it's giving
Speaker 2: the body what it means, it also as an antioxidant effect,
Speaker 2: Like most of the body's melatonin is made with near
Speaker 2: and for a light from the sun or from a
Speaker 2: sauna's face bowl, that's the body's number one antioxidant and
Speaker 2: that's in every cell of the body. So the sun
Speaker 2: is doing so many things for us. It's also filling
Speaker 2: our antioxidant reserves. But nowadays, let's face a cliff like
Speaker 2: we don't get enough sunlight. The average American gets I
Speaker 2: think like seven minutes of sunlight a day maybe, And
Speaker 2: so we got to figure out, like how can we
Speaker 2: in our modern lives thrive and sort of replace these
Speaker 2: missing things that our bodies biology hasn't changed really much
Speaker 2: at all, still needs these things. So that's been my
Speaker 2: approach to the sauna is, hey, let's do sauna in
Speaker 2: a lot faster fashion because we use radiant near and
Speaker 2: for a light to heat the body, you don't have
Speaker 2: to preheat the sauna space sauna. You just get in,
Speaker 2: you turn the lights on, and the heat's going really
Speaker 2: deeply into the body from the first second, and you
Speaker 2: sweat way faster and you're done way faster. The sauna
Speaker 2: session is usually like thirty minutes in a regular sauna
Speaker 2: because you use the air to heat the body, you
Speaker 2: have to preheat it an hour and stay in there
Speaker 2: an hour. So like three sna sessions a week, you
Speaker 2: know from the research, that's a six hour time investment
Speaker 2: versus with with sauna space it's like an hour and
Speaker 2: a half. Or with our supersaua system of seven bulbs,
Speaker 2: it's like fifteen minutes and that's something that wow, they
Speaker 2: anyone could do.
Speaker 7: Everybody has time for that.
Speaker 1: So do you have you.
Speaker 3: Patented your light bulb? Brian? Have you sounds like you've
Speaker 3: been researching the effects of certain filaments that produce this
Speaker 3: radiation and light. Is it? Is it your own brand
Speaker 3: now or is it a company that you work with?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's it's it's our own proprietary bulb. It's
Speaker 2: it took a long time.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of time, a lot of research.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 2: It was sometimes I thought it was maybe not worth it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's our own special bulb that we have
Speaker 2: it handmade for us. It's not made in my facility here,
Speaker 2: but it's made to a certain specification.
Speaker 7: That's yeah, that's really neique to us.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is great. I want to move on
Speaker 3: to in the time we have left two things. I
Speaker 3: want to talk about light therapy, specifically red light therapy.
Speaker 3: I've known about it for about twenty years, haven't. I've
Speaker 3: used it in some of the early small flashlights. But
Speaker 3: talk about light therapy, and then let's finish up with
Speaker 3: how people can learn more about sun a space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, just echoing my comments earlier. We're
Speaker 2: beans of light. We eat light and we use it
Speaker 2: for energy and for healing, and most of the light
Speaker 2: we're designed to get as near and for end So
Speaker 2: red light therapy and near infrared light therapy are the
Speaker 2: same thing. They're both defined as it's defined as the
Speaker 2: use of red and near infrared light to heal damage
Speaker 2: cells and reoptimized function of healthy cells. This system is
Speaker 2: based on the mitochondria, the little batteries of the cell.
Speaker 2: They're in every cell of the body except red blood cells,
Speaker 2: so we have it in every organ system. And the
Speaker 2: mitochondria has a light receptor protein on it called the
Speaker 2: cytochrome that means cell of light. So when near and
Speaker 2: for a light hits the mitochondria, it activates a ton
Speaker 2: of amazing healing effects. So you get anti inflammation, regeneration,
Speaker 2: you get antiaging, so you improve the how the DNA
Speaker 2: is read and how the cell makes parts of itself.
Speaker 7: That's literally anti aging.
Speaker 2: You have immune modulation effects, so it makes your immune
Speaker 2: system like function better.
Speaker 7: It has metal.
Speaker 3: Let me stop you real quickly, we're not talking about sonobath.
Speaker 3: We're talking about another kind of light direction. How would
Speaker 3: it be applied to the body.
Speaker 2: So you can go out in the sun and be
Speaker 2: and whatever part of your bodies that is exposed, you're
Speaker 2: getting it right in. But yeah, in terms of modern
Speaker 2: technology really up to you have three categories. You have lasers,
Speaker 2: which are extremely high power, very targeted, and you're going
Speaker 2: to use them for a very short amount of time.
Speaker 2: And you also and the second category are LEDs, which
Speaker 2: again are very pretty high powered and are being used
Speaker 2: for shorter duration. And then you have incandescent light, which
Speaker 2: is the way the Sun creates light, and it's also
Speaker 2: many near and FRED light, but not through LED or
Speaker 2: laser technology. Those are like electricity runs through a computer
Speaker 2: chip and fluoresces one wavelength. It's a you know, it's
Speaker 2: more of an artificial type of light. The incandescent gold
Speaker 2: produces the power distribution of near infrared and red that
Speaker 2: is much more aligned with what we get from the sun.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't really matter what your sources. If you
Speaker 2: have a photon of near and FRED light and it
Speaker 2: hits the cells mitochondria, it activates these effects. Now it
Speaker 2: should be we should explain real quick the difference between
Speaker 2: red and near infrared. Most people think of red light therapy,
Speaker 2: and that's it. Most of the red light therapy is
Speaker 2: actually in the near infrared, which are unseen wavelengths. These
Speaker 2: are just beyond red light in the spectrum and we
Speaker 2: don't see them with our eyes, but they have the
Speaker 2: same effect in the body. And red light doesn't go
Speaker 2: very deeply into the body. So if you see all
Speaker 2: these red light therapy panels and red light therapy caps
Speaker 2: and devices, their led based. It's only treating the skin
Speaker 2: and the very surface level tissue. Near and FRED light,
Speaker 2: among all the wavelengths of the sun, goes deepest into
Speaker 2: the body. It goes like several inches into the body actually,
Speaker 2: and only near and fread light penetrates bone tissue.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is really interesting.
Speaker 2: So if we want to do light therapy on our
Speaker 2: brains and nourish our brain and give it all this
Speaker 2: awesome healing, we have to use nearfread light, not red light.
Speaker 2: That's why Sauna space our focus has been mostly on
Speaker 2: the NEARONFRED light. There's a little bit of red, but
Speaker 2: it's again like the sun, mostly near infrared, So you
Speaker 2: can do this with any of these technologies. Ours is
Speaker 2: really cool because of the EMF shielding and the sort
Speaker 2: of the it's not just about the form of the light.
Speaker 2: It's about the quality of the light. And this light
Speaker 2: feels like the bonfire. It feels amazing. So it's not
Speaker 2: just having this like therapeutic effect. It has a very
Speaker 2: nourishing calling zen provoking feeling to the human body and
Speaker 2: the human you know, human nervous system.
Speaker 3: So this sounds pretty cool. So you're going in, You're
Speaker 3: doing the sauna space unit and you're getting the sweat,
Speaker 3: but you're also getting the light frequency for the healing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting these two things that are really staples
Speaker 2: of staying well. Now a days detox and get all
Speaker 2: those other benefits of sauna, and you get this daily
Speaker 2: dose of the most powerful nutrient you could possibly get,
Speaker 2: which is near and for a light and it has
Speaker 2: this it activates this healing system that is designed to
Speaker 2: be activated every day in the body. You get both
Speaker 2: of those in the most efficient use of your time
Speaker 2: you possibly could because of the technology that we use.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, So we told we heard the story of
Speaker 3: you building your own snabath with the painter's cloths and everything.
Speaker 3: What has it evolved to? Now? What are we looking
Speaker 3: at when we go to your website talk about your product?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you go to the website Sauna dot space,
Speaker 2: you can see the product there. It's it's it's an
Speaker 2: evolution of design that's been going on for over a
Speaker 2: decade now. So it's important that the materials be organic
Speaker 2: so you don't have to deal with off gassing of chemicals.
Speaker 2: So all of our construction is either solid bass wood
Speaker 2: or stainless steel in the hardware, and then the sauna
Speaker 2: itself is a tense so it's a portable, easy to
Speaker 2: set up sauna that just plugs in anywhere. Give us
Speaker 2: some dimensions, Brian, Yeah, it's it's four feet wide on
Speaker 2: the front, it's four feet deep. It's only two feet
Speaker 2: wide on the back, so it forms a trapezoid on
Speaker 2: the floor, and so it fits in any home, in
Speaker 2: any room, and it's really easy to set up. The
Speaker 2: bottom of it has a bamboo mat that's a grounding
Speaker 2: mat that's connected to the ground of the light pounds,
Speaker 2: so you get grounding therapy as well, and that that
Speaker 2: has a cool effect. You know when we walk barefoot
Speaker 2: on the earth, it has this calming effect our nervous system.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of science behind that, so we've incorporated
Speaker 2: that into the sauna and it has a little curtain
Speaker 2: on the front that opens and closes, so when you
Speaker 2: go inside, you're just surrounded by all these natural elements.
Speaker 2: There's no there's no bluetooth or track lighting or TVs
Speaker 2: or anything. It's it's all just to be this maximally rejuvenating,
Speaker 2: calming experience, like aesthetically. So it's very beautiful and elegant.
Speaker 2: Because we're humans, we don't want just function, we want form.
Speaker 2: We want things to be beautiful around us. We want
Speaker 2: to have an experience. So when you get inside the sauna,
Speaker 2: there's a light panel that has four of our firelight
Speaker 2: bulbs on it, or you can upgrade that to seven.
Speaker 2: But are sauna panels that the Yeah, the standard one
Speaker 2: has four two hundred and fifty watt firelight bulbs.
Speaker 7: So you get this.
Speaker 2: Powerful heating and light therapy on the body, and you
Speaker 2: sit on one of our custom made woodstools and you
Speaker 2: rotate every few minutes kind of to get exposure all
Speaker 2: the way around and heat up the body really fast,
Speaker 2: and you're done, like faster than you can believe.
Speaker 3: That sounds great, now, Is it a regular plug in?
Speaker 3: You can put it in a wall outlet or do
Speaker 3: you need to have special power requirements to get this
Speaker 3: thing going on?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it plugs directly into the regular.
Speaker 3: Outlet, really and you have two four well lamps to.
Speaker 2: Two fifty watt and we have in both voltages. So
Speaker 2: in the US we use one twenty volt. Most of
Speaker 2: the other countries in the world, like Europe and our
Speaker 2: customers in Australia and stuff, they use to forty volts.
Speaker 2: So we offer two versions of the bulb. You just
Speaker 2: select the plug type you want, you know, on the
Speaker 2: product page. But we we have our our electrical device
Speaker 2: works worldwide. You just have to have the correct voltage
Speaker 2: of bulb and regardless of voltage, it's all two hundred
Speaker 2: fifty watts per Bold. But yeah, wherever you are in
Speaker 2: the world, is just plug in your outlet and work
Speaker 2: like a normal thing.
Speaker 3: Sounds very cool and very seamless. Like you you put
Speaker 3: up a little mini tint, you hang the lights, you
Speaker 3: put the chair down, you're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, But when you get inside, it's uh, you
Speaker 2: have to try it out. It's an experiential thing and
Speaker 2: it's it's really amazing. Many people, maybe I won't say many,
Speaker 2: some people avoid sauna because they think maybe it's like
Speaker 2: stressful or really intense, you know, and they're like, uh,
Speaker 2: and it's not going to be enjoyable. And this is
Speaker 2: very different. The light therapy is very calming to your
Speaker 2: nervous system. That's another aspect of light therapies that relaxes
Speaker 2: your nervous system. And you just have this very like
Speaker 2: rejuvenating experience. You get out of a sauna spased on.
Speaker 2: You feel joyful, you feel energized, and you feel you know,
Speaker 2: very calm in your mind. And it's it's not this
Speaker 2: like stressy thing that you have to get done. It's
Speaker 2: it's something that you definitely will be looking forward to.
Speaker 3: Now, you've obviously created different versions from the original design
Speaker 3: that you came up with. What version are you on
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: I mean I'm I'm on version thirty or forty by
Speaker 2: now really, because I was gonna say this.
Speaker 3: You've evolved the light, the bulb.
Speaker 7: Every component of the sauna. It's it's been a.
Speaker 2: You know, in parallel development everything. So originally are you
Speaker 2: know the Yeah, the original saunas were not emf shielded
Speaker 2: at all and didn't have a mat, there was no stool,
Speaker 2: it wasn't organic fabric it was. It wasn't bass wood,
Speaker 2: which is the most hypologenic wood. And there's a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of like just little subtle design features
Speaker 2: that that have just evolved and been incorporated over time
Speaker 2: to make it easier and easier, easier to set up
Speaker 2: the poles unscrew in half now, so it's more portable,
Speaker 2: and and yeah, there's there's more and more coming out
Speaker 2: Like this fall. We're coming out with our own towel system,
Speaker 2: so it's like a custom a towel for the sauna
Speaker 2: and and a custom made towel for the stool. And
Speaker 2: like our portable light that used to be called the Photon,
Speaker 2: it's going to be called the Glow soon.
Speaker 3: Let me stop you real quickly. Is the unit portable
Speaker 3: so you can take it, say you were going up
Speaker 3: to where I'm here, the ski country is Tahoe up
Speaker 3: in the hills. Can you take it from your home
Speaker 3: in the Bay area and drive it up to a
Speaker 3: cabin and set it up at a cabin or is
Speaker 3: it not really that portable?
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it absolutely is.
Speaker 2: It's it's about sixty five pounds, so even though it's
Speaker 2: all organic and natural, it's something that'll fit easily in
Speaker 2: your backseat of your car. It all breaks down, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you can transport it everywhere. And we even have our
Speaker 2: I was just about to mention our portable lights. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I can show you this on the
Speaker 2: camera here it is. Oh yeah, so we have these
Speaker 2: too in there.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: That's another part of our evolution of our design is
Speaker 2: we used to use somebody else's desk. This is attached
Speaker 2: to a monitor desk arm you know that.
Speaker 3: Well, so you have natural lighting for by itself for
Speaker 3: a room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are used for targeted therapy on the body,
Speaker 2: so local relief of symptoms. But they're used at the
Speaker 2: computer for screen fatigue because they cancel out blue light
Speaker 2: and flickering light from all these LEDs that we have
Speaker 2: indoors all the time. So it optimizes the lighting environment
Speaker 2: at work. At home, you can use it for clean
Speaker 2: light after dark. You can use it for like the
Speaker 2: vibe you know of a firelight. Oh yeah, when you're
Speaker 2: doing yoga or you're reading a book, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: Human homes used to have fireplaces. Everybody used to have
Speaker 2: a fireplace or a stove, and before that we all
Speaker 2: had had a fire at night and it wasn't just
Speaker 2: about cooking our food. It's it was this practice that
Speaker 2: we have of connection and and calm and you know,
Speaker 2: relaxation and coming together again at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: And so you can kind of mimic that with our
Speaker 2: portable lights or even some people get our sauna panels
Speaker 2: and put them in the living room literally as a fireplace,
Speaker 2: and all that is bringing this light that we have
Speaker 2: outdoors in nature that we're that we're designed to get
Speaker 2: all the time, and bringing it indoors and making it
Speaker 2: really easy and accessible. So we have it in where
Speaker 2: we live indoors nowadays most of the time, and which
Speaker 2: is something that we weren't originally program for.
Speaker 3: Amazing. Hey, as we conclude, Brian, give us a few
Speaker 3: case studies of clients that have used your product. Maybe
Speaker 3: they were open enough to describe their condition and what
Speaker 3: what occurred following a series of sessions with the sauna space.
Speaker 2: Wow, there's so many cliff I would I can mention it.
Speaker 3: To give us the Medius ones.
Speaker 2: If you if you go to our websites on a
Speaker 2: dot space and you go to the product pages, you
Speaker 2: can read those in depth.
Speaker 7: And there's so many that are so fascinating.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about stories of people who have like
Speaker 2: full recoveries from MS and fibromyalgia, to people who are
Speaker 2: like have severe depression and anxiety issues resolving that people
Speaker 2: reverse their hashimotos And you know, I can't make medical
Speaker 2: claims clip.
Speaker 7: These are the customers' stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then we're not asking you to say, I'm
Speaker 3: just curious what conditions people felt that the sauna space
Speaker 3: would actually work with.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so those are some of them.
Speaker 2: Neuropathic issues, a lot of people just dealing with pain,
Speaker 2: just have joint pain and muscle pain and have huge
Speaker 2: relief from that, and tons of stories on big improvements
Speaker 2: and quality of sleep, and sleep is so important to
Speaker 2: keep the body, you know, every night to heal the
Speaker 2: body and regenerate, and so improving your sleep, just improving
Speaker 2: that has this cascade of amazing effects on your health.
Speaker 2: People with skin issues, usually skin is the first thing
Speaker 2: to resolve. So people dealing with egzima and psoriasis, those
Speaker 2: are signs of inner toxicity, you know, right, and so
Speaker 2: when we clean the out from the outside in, the
Speaker 2: skin is usually the first thing to improve. And there's
Speaker 2: more and more and more, Like if you go if
Speaker 2: you could just pick the disease category and you can
Speaker 2: go on the website and actually search, you know, a
Speaker 2: key word in the reviews and you'll find what you're
Speaker 2: looking for. Also, people who are dealing with infectious disease,
Speaker 2: you know, people get the flu or get something like that,
Speaker 2: that you can use the sauna and the light therapy.
Speaker 7: You can use that to have a speedier recovery. So
Speaker 7: that does have.
Speaker 3: Immune effective properties, is what you're suggesting.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Like when the body breaks out in
Speaker 2: a fever, it's activating its own heat shock protein response naturally.
Speaker 2: So we're in with the sauna, we're promoting a man
Speaker 2: made fever intentionally because we know the body uses that
Speaker 2: as a way to heal itself. And actually that's what
Speaker 2: that's my personal recommendation if you ever start feeling sick,
Speaker 2: you know, with a with the flu or something like that,
Speaker 2: as to fast like you said, and just drink just
Speaker 2: drink like water and electrolytes like salt water, right, and
Speaker 2: to use a sauna and just to kind of support
Speaker 2: and boost that that immune system response. That's the sauna research.
Speaker 2: Also the light therapy research. The light therapy has been
Speaker 2: shown to help with hypoxia like in the covid era
Speaker 2: you know, people were dealing with and still nowadays like
Speaker 2: not getting enough oxygen to the tissues due to the
Speaker 2: effects you know, of the of the infection and people
Speaker 2: completely recovering from pneumonia, you know, viral induced pneumonia and
Speaker 2: other things and not needing to be hospitalized. By using
Speaker 2: red light and near for red light, so nearing for
Speaker 2: a light and red light, they activate nitric oxide release
Speaker 2: out of the cells and they modulate the immune system.
Speaker 7: That means they make the immune.
Speaker 2: System work better, so it responds faster and then it
Speaker 2: kind of relaxes and recovers faster because you don't you
Speaker 2: don't want too much immune response because then you get
Speaker 2: like autoimmune type is choosing so light therapy and so on.
Speaker 2: It in their own ways have a powerful like regulating
Speaker 2: optimizing effects on the immune system.
Speaker 3: Amazing. The company is Sauna Space. My guest today has
Speaker 3: been Brian Richards. As we close, you're impressing us with
Speaker 3: impressing me actually ha with this product. What would you
Speaker 3: like to tell people about this product that you've developed?
Speaker 3: And by the way, when did the company start? When
Speaker 3: did you actually launch this Sauna.
Speaker 7: Space in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: Oh, fairly recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of people ask I guess we
Speaker 2: have a direct evidence here that I'm in the factory.
Speaker 2: I'm in Missouri. So we're based in Columbia, Missouri. All
Speaker 2: of our products are handmade here with a lot of
Speaker 2: love and attention, and we're all about the product experience.
Speaker 2: You know, We're not just into selling something here. We
Speaker 2: want you to be really supported in your healing journey
Speaker 2: as much as possible in the use of our products.
Speaker 2: So you get we have in house customer support. You
Speaker 2: can call us up five days a week, and you
Speaker 2: can email and chat whenever you want, and we're there
Speaker 2: with you for the lifetime of your use of the
Speaker 2: product with our customer success reports. So we're Our interest
Speaker 2: is that you remember that you're a limited light being
Speaker 2: and you have everything you need inside, and it's just
Speaker 2: the process of remembering using light and heat to empower
Speaker 2: you to take control of your wellness at home and
Speaker 2: in a way that's fun and beautiful and yeah, supporting
Speaker 2: the supporting American business. It's all handmade here in the Midwest.
Speaker 3: Very cool. I really love that the whole idea and
Speaker 3: the technology sounds brilliant. It sounds like you're constantly evolved
Speaker 3: as you're discovering new aspects of the LightWave energy. So hey, Brian,
Speaker 3: thanks for your time. I really appreciate you being on
Speaker 3: the program.
Speaker 7: Thank you Cliff for having me grateful.
Speaker 3: I want to mention that you can also go to
Speaker 3: your neighborhood, Jim. I belong to a gym that does
Speaker 3: have a traditional wood sauna and I use that occasionally.
Speaker 3: I'm going to actually use it a lot more after
Speaker 3: speaking to Brian, simply because it really does a wonderful
Speaker 3: job of detoxing, especially when you work out. And I
Speaker 3: belong to a gym where there's weights, where there's cardio machine,
Speaker 3: and there is a great pool too, so really nice
Speaker 3: to have that. So I'm more of a traditionalist, although
Speaker 3: the light therapy sounds really fascinated. I want to read
Speaker 3: more about this light system that he's developed with this company,
Speaker 3: Sauna Space, and I really suggest that you check out
Speaker 3: the website and what a wonderful way to begin your
Speaker 3: healing journey or adding it to your systems that you're
Speaker 3: incorporating into your wellness program. We really have to take
Speaker 3: our health into our own hands, and if we've really
Speaker 3: gotten out of balance and we're ill, chronically ill with
Speaker 3: aches and pains and stomach problems, lower intestine problems, skin problems,
Speaker 3: organ problems. You know, we go to our doctor, but
Speaker 3: we only listen to our doctor who has the determination.
Speaker 3: When you begin to use the drugs, it doesn't typically help.
Speaker 3: It actually aggravates a lot of conditions. And we'll talk
Speaker 3: more about that in a future program. But wow, the
Speaker 3: saunas are fabulous and if you can get into one
Speaker 3: once a week. I think I've been doing it once
Speaker 3: every two weeks or something. I have to make more time.
Speaker 3: I get to the gym and I typically do my
Speaker 3: weights and next day I'll do a cardio, but I
Speaker 3: typically do it too late, and I got to get
Speaker 3: back in there earlier so I can leave time to
Speaker 3: use the sauna. So this is the first and a
Speaker 3: number of biohacking basics, and we will have more coming up.
Speaker 3: And I want to just mention this. If you are
Speaker 3: looking for a physician, or you're looking for somebody who
Speaker 3: is more into the wellness not so much into the
Speaker 3: drugs of the allopathic method, look into your local acupuncturists,
Speaker 3: your chiropractor, and if you're fortunate a natural pathic physician.
Speaker 3: This is somebody who's gone through medical school, but the
Speaker 3: training is more on the body healing rather than drugs,
Speaker 3: surgery and radiation healing. It's kind of an ass backwards
Speaker 3: way to look at wellness and I so that's when
Speaker 3: you get That's one suggestion. The other suggestion is, if
Speaker 3: you're looking for weight loss, go to doctor Tina Moore
Speaker 3: mwore in her podcast t y Na and she is
Speaker 3: a natural pathic doctor who is has a free four
Speaker 3: part series on ozimpic and this is this new wonder
Speaker 3: drug that there's a lot of scare tactics out there
Speaker 3: that the pharmaceuticals companies don't want you to use it.
Speaker 3: There's scare tactics that it causes cancer, that it causes
Speaker 3: lower intestine problems. And this is because the therapy that
Speaker 3: they're using right now, and you'll hear this on doctor
Speaker 3: Tina's program, is overdosing people with high doses of this compound,
Speaker 3: these peptides. And if you microdose and I haven't done
Speaker 3: it yet, but we're gonna have somebody on the program
Speaker 3: talk about it, microdosing is the way to start. So
Speaker 3: getting the weight off relieves the heart relieves the organs
Speaker 3: relieves the body of excess fat and toxins, because when
Speaker 3: you're overweight, the fat hides and covers toxins, and this
Speaker 3: is a huge problem. So doctor Tina dot com or
Speaker 3: listen to her podcast, look for the four part series
Speaker 3: on Ozimpic. She's also got some other series that are
Speaker 3: free on finding your naturopathic physician. And she's also got
Speaker 3: some paid seminars that looked pretty good too, and I
Speaker 3: haven't done any of them yet, but this is something
Speaker 3: to consider. So we want to take wellness back into
Speaker 3: our own hands. We don't want to be reliant on
Speaker 3: an allopathic system that doesn't understand the body's healing system.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny because I've been doing fast
Speaker 3: every ques order every year, five to seven days, and
Speaker 3: it takes time to build up to them. You do
Speaker 3: it a couple of days, and then the next time
Speaker 3: you do three days forties. When I do a fast,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna have somebody on the program to talk
Speaker 3: about fasting, it is so rejuvenating. I feel like a
Speaker 3: different person. And that's just one of the biohacking techniques
Speaker 3: that we will address in the coming week. So there
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Speaker 3: All right, that's it for this program. I want to
Speaker 3: thank my guest today Brian Richards of Saana Space, as
Speaker 3: always a team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and everyone
Speaker 3: who makes this thing happen. I really appreciate your help.
Speaker 3: All right, take care of be well and we will
Speaker 3: talk to you next time
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