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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to another episode of Sledging Room.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, this is an Asia special that we are starting

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<v Speaker 4>today and we have a special guest with us. We

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<v Speaker 4>have our usual suspects. Along with him is Nichol nas.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome Nichol Nash.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I hope you can, you know, add that little

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<v Speaker 4>to Sledging Room as well.

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<v Speaker 5>I just hope that you guys are kind to me,

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<v Speaker 5>nice to me, don't sledge me. Yeah, and yeah, great

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<v Speaker 5>we have you know, we can have healthy banter and

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<v Speaker 5>some insights, but a lot of fun. That's what I

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<v Speaker 5>look forward to.

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<v Speaker 4>Great, since there's an Asia Cup special, Yeah, a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of banter. You've been probably doing Asia Cup for

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<v Speaker 4>the last twenty years more than yeah. So what are

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<v Speaker 4>your earliest memories of an Asia Cup tournament?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, that's a good one. I mean the memory is

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<v Speaker 5>that that one shared trophy I remember, you know that

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<v Speaker 5>that is there? Then an yeah, you know getting hit

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<v Speaker 5>for those unfortunate success by child. Yeah, not a great

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<v Speaker 5>memory though, that's there. I think that other game, correct

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<v Speaker 5>me if I'm wrong, because herbudget Singh hitting Shoibakta, yes

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<v Speaker 5>for those sixes again. I mean it just goes around

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<v Speaker 5>India Pakistan game, so I guess. Yeah, those a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of games getting washed out in Sri Lanka every time

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<v Speaker 5>it happened there. That's another memory that I have in

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<v Speaker 5>recent memories. I have India not making the final of

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<v Speaker 5>the last Asia Cup one of the major things that happened,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was a landmark. We're not getting to his

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<v Speaker 5>seventieth hundred. Remember how long that wait was and it

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<v Speaker 5>kept going on and on and he broke that duck

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<v Speaker 5>in a in an Asia Cup game. Different formats of course,

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<v Speaker 5>but Sri Lanka getting dismissed for fifty three Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that omat siaj on fire again and another Asha Cup memory. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So these are some memories that I have from the

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<v Speaker 5>Asia Cup.

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<v Speaker 4>When you spoke about this, I think you were very

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you were able to remember the incidents from

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<v Speaker 4>the start of the start of the cup very well,

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<v Speaker 4>like a hardbudget saying like a but even I can't

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<v Speaker 4>remember the last few Asia Cups. But you know, if

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<v Speaker 4>you ask me the World Cups, I can tell you

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of matches, but the Asia Cups are very

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<v Speaker 4>difficult to remember.

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<v Speaker 3>Is what I think.

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<v Speaker 4>That brings me to a question to both of you,

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<v Speaker 4>has the relevance of the tournament gone down?

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<v Speaker 5>See? I mean overall, I don't think Asia Cup means much.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'll tell you why because even the people who

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<v Speaker 5>organize the Asia Cup, they haven't paid paid too much

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<v Speaker 5>heed to it because I remember it used to keep

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<v Speaker 5>getting postponed multiple times India over the OOST previously as

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<v Speaker 5>well as far as I remember, and then mon year

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<v Speaker 5>it didn't even happen. Nobody really cared. Then the format

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<v Speaker 5>also keeps changing sometime. So what you're telling everyone that

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<v Speaker 5>it is a sort of a dress rehearsal to a

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<v Speaker 5>big Icic tournament that may be following, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 5>fifty over champions trophy or if it's a T twenty

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<v Speaker 5>World Cup, whatever the year is and whatever the icy trophy.

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<v Speaker 5>So Asia Cup can be addressed in her So I

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<v Speaker 5>think you've made it like that. That's not to say

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<v Speaker 5>that Asia Cups haven't been exciting, and that is primarily

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<v Speaker 5>down to the India Pakistan riivalry. I think that is

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<v Speaker 5>kept Tisha Cup alive. And you know, India Pakistan doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>even need any relevance, It doesn't even need a trophy.

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<v Speaker 5>The two teams just play. It could be in Khey

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<v Speaker 5>cricket as well and they'll be massive interest. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think that is what is kept Tisha Cup. And also

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<v Speaker 5>if I take you back in history, the Asha Cup

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<v Speaker 5>came about because you wanted to have this camaraderie between

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<v Speaker 5>Asian countries. And you know, Jagmon Dhalmia was the one

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<v Speaker 5>who really got this going simply because you wanted a

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<v Speaker 5>united Asian front against the Western Bloc in that sense.

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<v Speaker 5>So you said we need to fight. They might and

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<v Speaker 5>eventually and on the table when you sat in the

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<v Speaker 5>ICC and the votes came into pass. So Chagman Dharmia

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<v Speaker 5>like this father figure took along you know Bangladesh and

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<v Speaker 5>Sri Lanka and Pakistan as well. I mean, we're an

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<v Speaker 5>environment where I don't think India Pakistan born Hoomi can

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<v Speaker 5>be discussed that much. But if I take you back

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<v Speaker 5>in history. It's actually a partnership between India Pakistan World Cup, correct,

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<v Speaker 5>which which absolutely changed the whole landscape of international cricket.

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<v Speaker 5>Where the two countries said, fine, we'll get together, and

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<v Speaker 5>that World Cup happened and you know, first ever World

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<v Speaker 5>Cup outside English, just as they say, is history. So

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<v Speaker 5>I guess that was an extension of that done by

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<v Speaker 5>Jae Moon Dalman. Now it isn't the case where now

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<v Speaker 5>you're in a scenario where till very recently, because we

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<v Speaker 5>didn't know whether this Asia Cup will go on, and

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<v Speaker 5>there was this discussion that who's with India, So you know, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>Sri Lanka will be with India, Nepal will be with India,

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<v Speaker 5>but Bangladesha siding with Pakistan. So the only fishers in

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<v Speaker 5>the Asian block as such. So then that's why I

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<v Speaker 5>probably I'm just looking at various elements why it's not relevant.

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<v Speaker 5>But having said that, once you know India Pakistan are

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<v Speaker 5>playing and they do it by design, you might have

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<v Speaker 5>three India Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 4>It has never happened, by the way, it has never happened. No,

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<v Speaker 4>No India Pakistan final has happened.

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<v Speaker 5>In Yeah, yes, I was there last Ashaka where India

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<v Speaker 5>Sri Lanka played the final fifty over the Ashaka before that,

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<v Speaker 5>again at the same menu, India didn't even make the final.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that was a shot cup.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, but when mister Jasha was the President

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<v Speaker 4>of the Asian Cricket Council, there was a there was

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<v Speaker 4>a i think revamped effort in they announced a list

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<v Speaker 4>of Asia Cup events from the under nineteen level women's

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<v Speaker 4>say Shia Cup and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but I had an important observation that he made.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when you talk about is Cup being the

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<v Speaker 4>dressed yourself for the World Cup, the last few tournaments

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<v Speaker 4>suggest something.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean if you look at the Isha Cup T

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<v Speaker 6>twenty version. Last time, the two teams that played in

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<v Speaker 6>the final of the Isha Cup twenty one of them

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<v Speaker 6>reached the final cup also in Australia Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, Then the next time when the Ishak Cup happened,

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<v Speaker 6>India played the fine year on the Ishak Cup and

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<v Speaker 6>then they played the final of the World Cup also.

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<v Speaker 6>And apart from that, I personally think that Isha Cup

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<v Speaker 6>is just another occasion where you can you can have

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<v Speaker 6>another India Parkistan game. Because now when we don't play

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<v Speaker 6>those Bilatteral games. We are only limited to these Issia

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<v Speaker 6>Cups and the Icy tournaments, so it is more occasions

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<v Speaker 6>where you can play Pakistan and you can get that

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<v Speaker 6>broadcast revenue and all. Because I was looking at at

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<v Speaker 6>tweet and it said that I don't know why are

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<v Speaker 6>we having the Shia Cup because apart from India and Pakistan,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think there's another another team that is going

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<v Speaker 6>to give us that much a challenge because in the past,

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<v Speaker 6>like twenty thirty years, Sri Lanka used to be a

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<v Speaker 6>good team when the likes of Javadeney and Sanghara were there,

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<v Speaker 6>but now even they don't challenge that much. So now

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<v Speaker 6>it's India, Pakistan or nothing in the Ashia Cup.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, both of you are That's where I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Both of you are going to get some trolls from

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<v Speaker 4>from Bangaladesh and Sri Lanka fin will oh yes, some

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<v Speaker 4>claim to be bigger than India Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, nothing, I mean, and now you even have Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 5>Pakistan is also a rivalry, but nothing matches. Now you've started.

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<v Speaker 5>Even Australia and England accept that nothing matches. In England,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean because ashes was you know, kept at this

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<v Speaker 5>pedestrial where you said that's the most important rivalry. But

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<v Speaker 5>now if you hear former players from both England and

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<v Speaker 5>Australia and they say fine, historically and you know all

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<v Speaker 5>the you know, context attached to when it started, Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>ash Is, we can you know, talk about it and

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<v Speaker 5>get romantic about it. But in terms of share numbers

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<v Speaker 5>and the excitement and you know the basis of how

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<v Speaker 5>an India Pakistan rivalry happens, I don't think any rivalry

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<v Speaker 5>there matches that I in fact compare it to, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like Ranger Celtics in football or a real Madrid Barcelona

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<v Speaker 5>and football. One of the greatest sporting rivalries that you

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<v Speaker 5>can think of it, I don't think nothing comes closer.

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<v Speaker 5>But the reason I say it was an unfair comparison

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<v Speaker 5>because I think we've been very unfair to two teams.

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<v Speaker 5>When anyone who says that it's only India Pakistan. For example,

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<v Speaker 5>Shri Lanka, I think they've been more consistent with compared

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<v Speaker 5>to and I'm not talking about the old Shri Lanka

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<v Speaker 5>for Jessuria and arav in the Ranatuma. No, the recent

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<v Speaker 5>Sri Lanka has been more consistent than India and Pakistan

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<v Speaker 5>to have reached the final. They actually one day shut

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<v Speaker 5>up and reached the final, reached the final last time around.

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<v Speaker 5>So they are Shamsan And I must say that I

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<v Speaker 5>did see Shrilankan cricket, you know, go through a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of a dip a few years ago. But yeah, but

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<v Speaker 5>now I think they've had a research with Sana Jezula

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<v Speaker 5>coming back, they've had a research and and I think,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, in a T twenty format and in fact,

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<v Speaker 5>i'll say in white ball cricket, somehow Shi Lanka finds

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<v Speaker 5>a way to be competitive. And so for Afghanistan, I

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<v Speaker 5>mean they are the semi finalists of the last twenty

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<v Speaker 5>World Cup where Shu Lanka didn't make it, where Pakistan

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<v Speaker 5>did not make it that far, but Afghanistan have.

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<v Speaker 4>So as we speak, they've beaten Pakistan and then tri

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<v Speaker 4>series New Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah they can but that's one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they probably they can go on and win that

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<v Speaker 4>tournament and get into the Asia Cup with more momentum

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<v Speaker 4>as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, so you never know, yeah, exactly, so I would say.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you see the groups, if you look at

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<v Speaker 4>the groups, India Pakistan in one group and the other

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<v Speaker 4>group has Bangladesh, Sri Lankan, Afghanistan, so you might call

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<v Speaker 4>it that group that you might call that group as

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<v Speaker 4>a group of death yus. Here you see Oman and

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<v Speaker 4>Hong Kong, so you never know asn't like.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, that's where the questions Oversha Cup you know start

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<v Speaker 5>that you you've designed it that way. You made sure

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<v Speaker 5>that you're saying three times it may not happen.

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<v Speaker 3>They should probably have a draw ceremony for this, just.

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<v Speaker 5>That how is that how you get not only the

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<v Speaker 5>put India Pakistan in the same group, they also ensure

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<v Speaker 5>that the other teams are you know, such that they

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<v Speaker 5>will both they won't lose to they won't be Pakistan

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<v Speaker 5>that they come though you never met in twenty World Cup,

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<v Speaker 5>US says like pulled off a surprise, so you never know.

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<v Speaker 4>But it would be fun if you have a draw

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<v Speaker 4>ceremony and say how how you put India Pakistan together?

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<v Speaker 5>But it'll be fun for whom fans who want to

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<v Speaker 5>see in their Pakistan, the organizers want to see in

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<v Speaker 5>their Pakistan. I mean, truth be told, even you and

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<v Speaker 5>I would want to see in your and and this

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<v Speaker 5>where you know, if I'm writing about a match or

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<v Speaker 5>be ten times the eyeballs to the article that you

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<v Speaker 5>write or to the video piece that I do when

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<v Speaker 5>it's an India Pakistan. So eventually, as you know, Horrablso

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<v Speaker 5>mentioned that if you're going to have a tournament, you

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<v Speaker 5>need that context. So if you have an open raw,

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<v Speaker 5>then you steal us of the opportunity of seeing India Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 5>But having said that, I must tell you we were

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<v Speaker 5>doing a chat yesterday and I'm saying that India Pakistan

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<v Speaker 5>is the number one game and nothing ever comes close

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<v Speaker 5>to it. We had a few viewers you join us

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<v Speaker 5>from UA and a lot of them because it's a

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<v Speaker 5>you know, live conversation that we have with a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of on sports today with a lot of viewers, so

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<v Speaker 5>many of them from Yue did write into us during

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<v Speaker 5>our live chat that tickets are still easily available and

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<v Speaker 5>that's unheard of, and I've covered cricket in the UA.

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<v Speaker 5>India Parkistan games are sold out weeks in advance. So

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<v Speaker 5>in fact, I also happen to get a press release

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<v Speaker 5>from the ticketing agency saying that oh you know, here's

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<v Speaker 5>the package that's available. Want in Dubai. Forget packages because

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes packages don't get sold. They're expensive because they bundle

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of matches together in the hospitality, they're expensive

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<v Speaker 5>individual so they go but individual match tickets regular tickets,

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<v Speaker 5>which is why partist explain no, not extended. So not

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<v Speaker 5>the only thing that I can think of that there

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<v Speaker 5>are a lot of people for the very first time

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<v Speaker 5>who may not be keen to be watching India Pakistan

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<v Speaker 5>and there could be multiple reasons for that. I did

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<v Speaker 5>think about it. Who could that come from. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think it would come from the Pakistani audience. They will

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<v Speaker 5>always be Pakistan fans. But you must remember even in

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<v Speaker 5>Dubai in my last few visits to Dubai Champions troph

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<v Speaker 5>before that, that it's still always about seventy to thirteen

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<v Speaker 5>in favor of Indian fans. Indian fans always outnumber Pakistan fans,

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<v Speaker 5>and it even happens in the Middle East, right fans

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of them who stay there, but a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of them who travel as well, both from India and

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<v Speaker 5>do travel, but overall, if I was to look at

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<v Speaker 5>the number, it's always about seventy to thirty even now,

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<v Speaker 5>And this is a sea change from the time I

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<v Speaker 5>remember watching cricket in charge and the nineties, where you'd

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<v Speaker 5>have fifty to fifty on most occasions, there'd be more

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<v Speaker 5>Pakistani fans. So now, why is still the ticket's not

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<v Speaker 5>being sold? Because now, which are the parties that may

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<v Speaker 5>not be buying ticket? Are the Indian fans or Pakistani fans?

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<v Speaker 5>Now Pakistan fans whatever I've gauged from their interaction or

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<v Speaker 5>the content that I've consumed, is that they're more than

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<v Speaker 5>happy to watch. So the thirty percent of the Pakistan

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<v Speaker 5>fans that usually turn or would have bought the tickets,

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<v Speaker 5>then that leaves us with a seventy percent. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>guessing that seventy percent could be split between fifty to fifty.

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<v Speaker 5>Where fifty percent of Indian fans would still be okay

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<v Speaker 5>watching a game, maybe there are fifty percent there who

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<v Speaker 5>don't want to be watching the game, one for what

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<v Speaker 5>happened very recently in the aftermath or operations and others

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<v Speaker 5>could be may be keen to be watching, but don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to be seen to be watching that game.

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<v Speaker 4>So this could be the few reason in the confines,

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<v Speaker 4>comfort of your house and then support.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so the proof of the pudding would be television viewers.

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<v Speaker 4>I was noticing oneting Nicole and sob like from say

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<v Speaker 4>the twenty twelve, two and eight we have had cross

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<v Speaker 4>border tensions. We have not as like intensified. We have

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<v Speaker 4>not had bilateral series. But as we call for boycods,

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<v Speaker 4>as we call for you know, pulling out from certain tournaments,

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<v Speaker 4>the numbers have only gone up.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>That's probably on the outside India Partistan people probably don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to watch the match or they don't want the

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<v Speaker 4>team to play the match. But when you look at

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<v Speaker 4>the numbers, viewership numbers, like you said, it's been only

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<v Speaker 4>on the apps, it has been.

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<v Speaker 3>Seeing an uptick.

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<v Speaker 4>So I just wanted to ask you a question, a

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<v Speaker 4>personal question, as like you can choose not to answer this.

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<v Speaker 4>If you both were, okay, not talking as journalists, if

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<v Speaker 4>you both were, you know, fans of the sport in

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<v Speaker 4>this climate, would you buy a ticket and go watch

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<v Speaker 4>an India Pakistan match.

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<v Speaker 5>Good question, I'll answer for I'll hear what he has

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<v Speaker 5>to see.

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<v Speaker 6>When this India Pakistan game was announced, I remember talking

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<v Speaker 6>to a Shay and I told him, Yeah, I told

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<v Speaker 6>him I covered the story. And then I told him

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<v Speaker 6>why are they playing? Because whatever happens. I am a

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<v Speaker 6>sports fan and I love my team, but I'm also

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<v Speaker 6>an Indian citizen and I've seen what has happened, how

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<v Speaker 6>our own countrymen have suffered because of the Crosswater terrorism

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<v Speaker 6>and all those event that has happened in the aftermath

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<v Speaker 6>of operation before that. So I will personally not be

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<v Speaker 6>willing to put my money and go and buy a

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<v Speaker 6>ticket and go and watch an India Pakistan game.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't want this game to be happened to

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<v Speaker 1>be happened.

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<v Speaker 6>To be very frank with you, it's my personal view,

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<v Speaker 6>but I don't want to watch this game or I

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<v Speaker 6>don't want this game to be happening. But as a

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<v Speaker 6>professional journalist, I will do my duty. I will cover

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<v Speaker 6>the game when and as my team asked me to.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he has no option as a professional, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, I'll come to that later. What are you

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<v Speaker 4>going to do me? Asn't like I don't know, as

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<v Speaker 4>I would probably see it might sound controversial, but I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want as and I don't want them to make

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<v Speaker 4>to be mixed. But maybe after what has happened in

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<v Speaker 4>the recent times like blatant is it boiled down into

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<v Speaker 4>something that is very ghastly. We have seen loss of

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<v Speaker 4>lives from the very own I don't think you should

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<v Speaker 4>probably look at the financial benefits right now. Probably play

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<v Speaker 4>another twenty series or ODI series against Australia when we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to be back. They will get you the money,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, not as an India Partistan. But if it

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<v Speaker 4>had been before operations in there, I would have said

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<v Speaker 4>probably okay, as and like we have we have, we

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<v Speaker 4>were playing in multinational tournaments and all that. But once

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<v Speaker 4>this escalation as and it didn't right, it doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 4>right for me as well.

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<v Speaker 5>So would I buy a ticket? The answer is one word.

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<v Speaker 5>Answer to that is no, simply because I would not

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<v Speaker 5>buy a ticket for any game I know for because no, honestly,

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<v Speaker 5>because I don't enjoy in live experience of watching any

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<v Speaker 5>cricket match. They I rather watch a cricket match in

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<v Speaker 5>the comfort of my house where I have a condition,

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<v Speaker 5>I can order the food that I want and I

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<v Speaker 5>don't have to be parking my car two kilometers away

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<v Speaker 5>and then walking for many which happens in Dubai as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Might I add, and in the heat of Dubai you

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<v Speaker 5>have to walk. We have to as journalists as well, sparked,

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<v Speaker 5>like a kilometer in advance in the heat to walk

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<v Speaker 5>to reach there. So given a choice, I'm a fan there. No.

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<v Speaker 5>But joke's apart. See, I mean it's a certain in

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<v Speaker 3>You wrote a piece for us as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct, It has so many less that if I start

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<v Speaker 5>now explaining it will probably take an hour.

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<v Speaker 4>For me to tell you what on the one On

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<v Speaker 4>the one hand, we are saying like that one point

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<v Speaker 4>that you made in the piece that I really caught

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<v Speaker 4>my attention was you said India wants to as in

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<v Speaker 4>India are looking to host some major events like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Commonwealth Games and the Olympic Games eventually. So the

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<v Speaker 4>government has said that we'll make the visa process and

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<v Speaker 4>all that, even if they were even ready to host

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<v Speaker 4>Pakistan in the Hockey Sha Cup which is happening in

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<v Speaker 4>raj Gir, even in the Junior Asia Cup which is

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<v Speaker 4>gonna happen. So you you wrote that, you know, why

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<v Speaker 4>what the cost of what are we planning to host

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<v Speaker 4>all this?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Can you explain that?

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<v Speaker 5>But so I'll tell you what. Okay, I'll break it

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<v Speaker 5>down as briefly as I can. If you were to

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<v Speaker 5>asked me overall that should India Pakistan be playing cricket

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<v Speaker 5>or not? My point is that, see, cricket can't be

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<v Speaker 5>looked at in isolation. What would happen. Let's let's remove

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<v Speaker 5>operations and there let's remove you know what happened in

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<v Speaker 5>and that has continued to happen. There is cross bordered

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<v Speaker 5>terrorism and you need to tackle with that. But what

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<v Speaker 5>used to happen? And as I said, for more than

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<v Speaker 5>two decades, there have been many points in my career

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<v Speaker 5>with this ession has come and then we've tried to

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<v Speaker 5>answer it. And over the years I've learned a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of things. One that cricket is taken as hostage. So

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<v Speaker 5>all the focus goes on cricket. And you know, first

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<v Speaker 5>time you have to attack something, you say, why I'm

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<v Speaker 5>in your Parkistan playing on cricket, and you kept doing

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<v Speaker 5>that while every other sport is happening. There's ten is

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<v Speaker 5>this and that. So I thought that was double standard.

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<v Speaker 5>Why do you want to hold cricket as a hostage?

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<v Speaker 5>So first you need to have a fixed policy for Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 5>Now you and I can't decide that policy. You and

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<v Speaker 5>I are experts and sports, right we follow that. Now.

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<v Speaker 5>For example, I went to Pakistan to cover during the

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<v Speaker 5>champions Trophy and I can't tell you how much hate

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<v Speaker 5>I got. Why did I get that? Hat? Because how

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<v Speaker 5>could you go to Pakistan? Why did you go to

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<v Speaker 5>a country from there? From from no, no, not from there? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean there you were welcome. People might find that

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<v Speaker 5>hard to believe, but that was a reality. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not gonna lie. I'll tell you exactly what I experienced, right,

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<v Speaker 5>But sure I got a lot of hate. Okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 5>so I am So what am I to understand that

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<v Speaker 5>people in India? And this is by the way, before

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<v Speaker 5>operations and do it before Pelgram has happened, right, So

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<v Speaker 5>I got a feeling that a lot of people here

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<v Speaker 5>in India did not like me traveling there, even though

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<v Speaker 5>I went there to do my job. I didn't go

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<v Speaker 5>for a holiday or I did not even go as

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<v Speaker 5>a representative of this government to shake hands with Pakistan

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<v Speaker 5>and get friendship going. I don't have that mandate or

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<v Speaker 5>the authority to do that. We just went as traveling

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<v Speaker 5>journalists anyway, That's what we are told. So then I

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<v Speaker 5>understand anything to do with Pakistan is a no go, right,

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<v Speaker 5>this is what people want. Then cut to all of

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<v Speaker 5>this happens, Operations in Loo happens, and Pelgram happens, and

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<v Speaker 5>then everything to do with Pakistan is banned in the

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<v Speaker 5>country where their social media handles are banned. You stop

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<v Speaker 5>the water. Then you say that Diljit Dosan just told

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<v Speaker 5>for being an antia. So now now what am I

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<v Speaker 5>to understand? What are you to understand? You're not geopolitical experts.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to understand that nothing to do with Pakistan happened.

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<v Speaker 5>But then you you go ahead and say, now for

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<v Speaker 5>this sake of now coming back to Olympics, so we

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<v Speaker 5>need to be looked at and because this was mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>in the in the stand that the government took quote

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<v Speaker 5>unquote that we need to be looked at as a

423
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<v Speaker 5>viable venue.

424
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<v Speaker 3>This is what was doing.

425
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<v Speaker 5>My point is exactly that that how is it then?

426
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<v Speaker 5>If everything is put in national interest and that is

427
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<v Speaker 5>number one, then why do you need to look as

428
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<v Speaker 5>a viable venue? Can you not function as a country

429
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<v Speaker 5>if you don't host the Commonwealth Games or the Olympic

430
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<v Speaker 5>Games anyway, By the way, that's another debate. The loss

431
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<v Speaker 5>making exercises. Commonwealth game, nobody wants it. This Commonweal game

432
00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.240
<v Speaker 5>you had to cut short because even people who had

433
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<v Speaker 5>won the bid didn't want to host it.

434
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<v Speaker 3>I think it's pulled out. And then when the Glasgow.

435
00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:46.039
<v Speaker 5>Correct, so nobody also was that. That's first. Secondly, you

436
00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:47.920
<v Speaker 5>know what happened last time you also a Commonwealth game?

437
00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.680
<v Speaker 5>It was the games was organized very well, but you

438
00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:52.319
<v Speaker 5>know the aftermath, why would you want to do it?

439
00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.079
<v Speaker 5>Then you get to Olympics and my take for the

440
00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:57.799
<v Speaker 5>Olympics is I tow the Olympics. I love Olympics, spot

441
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<v Speaker 5>and everything. My point is, if you can and it's

442
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<v Speaker 5>also a loss making exercise, as most a lot of

443
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<v Speaker 5>people correct. So now why don't you use that money

444
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<v Speaker 5>to become a better Olympic nation? Right we are? We

445
00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:10.799
<v Speaker 5>are a country at one point four billion and happy

446
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<v Speaker 5>with five six medals each Olympics. You can't be you

447
00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:16.519
<v Speaker 5>have countries that are you know, smaller than the size

448
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<v Speaker 5>of some of our states landing up with twenty thirty medals.

449
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<v Speaker 5>I think our first team should be I'm not saying

450
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<v Speaker 5>the best country and it's not going to happen in

451
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.119
<v Speaker 5>the Olympic Game, but at least be competitive, and it

452
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<v Speaker 5>should in some way be you know, in relation to

453
00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.839
<v Speaker 5>our size and power global in Olympics as well. So

454
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<v Speaker 5>if you're winning twenty twenty five medals, I think you

455
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<v Speaker 5>need to focus on that. So why do you have

456
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<v Speaker 5>to be a viable when you win? The importance of

457
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<v Speaker 5>the country is there. That's something that I didn't understand.

458
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<v Speaker 5>So for me it felt like a double standard. First

459
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<v Speaker 5>you say nothing can be you and I can't even

460
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<v Speaker 5>consume YouTube content from Pakistan, but now you're going to

461
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.039
<v Speaker 5>be playing cricket. And then Asia Cup was the tournament,

462
00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.759
<v Speaker 5>which is not even an ICC tournament, right, So if

463
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<v Speaker 5>you had skipped it, how does that matter. It's not

464
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<v Speaker 5>going to invite any sanctions, it's not going to isolate you.

465
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<v Speaker 5>Just because you want to be seen by the rest

466
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<v Speaker 5>of the world as a country that will be able

467
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<v Speaker 5>to host a big event in the future, you're doing that.

468
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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't work. But now if you've taken the stance,

469
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<v Speaker 5>then I would And just to extend that, I was

470
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<v Speaker 5>looking at some business numbers and export import between India Pakistan.

471
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<v Speaker 5>It was somewhere between roughly around fifty five million that

472
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<v Speaker 5>India was exporting fifty five million dollars that India was

473
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<v Speaker 5>exporting to Pakistan, and last year has seen that because

474
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<v Speaker 5>there has been sanctions on exporters, well, that has seen

475
00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.200
<v Speaker 5>it to be cut down to just five million, so

476
00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:42.160
<v Speaker 5>a ninety percent cut. Now that ninety percent cut has

477
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<v Speaker 5>been born by Indian citizens, people who you and I whoever,

478
00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.720
<v Speaker 5>and it's percolated down to everyone, whether you're a business owner, worker,

479
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.960
<v Speaker 5>creating that product whatever. Right, So now I'm saying now

480
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<v Speaker 5>that guy, whoever that might be, he's running a business.

481
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<v Speaker 5>His business may have shut down, so he's sacrificed. He's

482
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<v Speaker 5>not made any noise. He sacrified that business because your

483
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.680
<v Speaker 5>policy is said that and you said no country first,

484
00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:04.480
<v Speaker 5>I have to follow that. So a lot of people

485
00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:06.559
<v Speaker 5>have sacrificed. But then you're going to be playing cricket,

486
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<v Speaker 5>I don't know from now on. Then there should be

487
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:10.759
<v Speaker 5>a free for all. You and I should be free

488
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<v Speaker 5>to decide what we need to do. And then in

489
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<v Speaker 5>that case, if you watch an India Pakistan game, I

490
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.920
<v Speaker 5>should not be allowed to point fingers you and call

491
00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.680
<v Speaker 5>you anti national. Of course, right, we cannot. If everyone's

492
00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.000
<v Speaker 5>going to be looking at situation and deciding, then I

493
00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:28.240
<v Speaker 5>could say that no, for me, country comes first. I

494
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:30.759
<v Speaker 5>won't watch anything to do with Pakistan, I will not

495
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.680
<v Speaker 5>buy anything to do with Pakistan, I will not make

496
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.640
<v Speaker 5>friends with anyone from Pakistan or whatever. I won't consume

497
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.960
<v Speaker 5>Pakistani content, blah blah blah. But cricket is my love

498
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:40.759
<v Speaker 5>and India Pakistani is the number one game, so I'll

499
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.200
<v Speaker 5>watch it. So if I was to do that and

500
00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.640
<v Speaker 5>make an exception, then I should not be questioned as well.

501
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.599
<v Speaker 5>So then allow everyone to decide what they want to do.

502
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<v Speaker 5>But just to the larger point, I know it would

503
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:52.680
<v Speaker 5>have taken a lot of time. But to the larger point,

504
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Speaker 5>when I was saying that completely, should you have India

505
00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:58.359
<v Speaker 5>Pakistan games or not, to which my thing is and

506
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.240
<v Speaker 5>this was my belief before operations in there, and that

507
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:07.759
<v Speaker 5>you have not had India Pakistan bilateral cricket for more

508
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:12.319
<v Speaker 5>than a twocade. Has anything happened in terms of Pakistan

509
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.440
<v Speaker 5>financing terror activities in India. Has that put a stop

510
00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:19.599
<v Speaker 5>on them? No? And my larger point is that it

511
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:22.160
<v Speaker 5>continued to happen, whether you play cricket with them or not,

512
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.079
<v Speaker 5>because the people that are responsible for it, whether they

513
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.799
<v Speaker 5>are the fundamentalists, whether it's their army, whether it is

514
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<v Speaker 5>their weak government. They don't care whether you play cricket

515
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.599
<v Speaker 5>with Pakistan or not. They don't care. I am again

516
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<v Speaker 5>stating I went to Pakistan. I don't think a regular

517
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:40.079
<v Speaker 5>Pakistani fosters any hate for any Indian. I experienced that personally.

518
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:45.119
<v Speaker 5>A regular Pakistani doesn't even understand geopolitics or what happens

519
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:47.720
<v Speaker 5>or whatever. He's not even in any way in the world. Yes,

520
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.599
<v Speaker 5>are they fanatics there. I'm sure they are, right as

521
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:54.279
<v Speaker 5>they would be in any Are they you know, people

522
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.480
<v Speaker 5>who buy into what their army says, and I would

523
00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:00.599
<v Speaker 5>call them a rogue army or you know the fundamentals

524
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.359
<v Speaker 5>that they have. Do they buy into it? Yes they are,

525
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.400
<v Speaker 5>but by and large the people won't be like that.

526
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:06.400
<v Speaker 5>But yes, they have to pay for the sins of

527
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:09.240
<v Speaker 5>people that are running the country. And I guess the

528
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.680
<v Speaker 5>country is already paid for it. If you look at

529
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.359
<v Speaker 5>the two countries now, the difference is Shock and Chaine,

530
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:17.440
<v Speaker 5>and I think they are paying for it. So my saying, yeah,

531
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<v Speaker 5>so whether you play cricket or not, you're not dealing

532
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:21.880
<v Speaker 5>the core issue at hand, the core issue at hand,

533
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:23.759
<v Speaker 5>and I think it needs to be dealt with that

534
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.680
<v Speaker 5>can only be dealt with either militarily or diplomatically, where

535
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.079
<v Speaker 5>you then so not everything can be solved by war,

536
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.720
<v Speaker 5>but it can be solved diplomatically, whether it is through talks.

537
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.960
<v Speaker 5>And if you then talks cannot happen, then you learn

538
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 5>how to isolate parks that you know there are countries,

539
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.759
<v Speaker 5>and I think Indias are powerful enough country to do that.

540
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:41.920
<v Speaker 5>So you have to find different ways to do it.

541
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<v Speaker 5>You play cricket, you don't play cricket. You and I

542
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:47.279
<v Speaker 5>will keep talking about it, but it will not help

543
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.319
<v Speaker 5>us find the solution that we're looking for. And that

544
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 5>solution is to whether you make friends with them or not,

545
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 5>is not that. But you need peace and quiet on

546
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:58.720
<v Speaker 5>the borders. Is what is the solution that we're looking at.

547
00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:01.359
<v Speaker 5>Because we can change everything, but you can't change your neighbor, right.

548
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:03.720
<v Speaker 5>You can do anything that you want, you can't change it.

549
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:05.440
<v Speaker 5>So you have to find a solution for it. And

550
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 5>I don't think playing cricket, not playing cricket will ever

551
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 5>result in a solution. That was my larger thing. But

552
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 5>then you know, you'd be nervous to say something like

553
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:17.599
<v Speaker 5>that because people would throw you saying.

554
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.279
<v Speaker 4>That, how dare you say you're taught to believe otherwise?

555
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.880
<v Speaker 4>As well as like once you head there, you know

556
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 4>you know what.

557
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, But again I'm not saying that you need to

558
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 5>be friends with them if you think that it's a

559
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 5>country that has not learned its lesson and you think

560
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 5>as a country you cannot and you tried to extend

561
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 5>that hand of friendship and they came back to buy too,

562
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:37.880
<v Speaker 5>and you do not want to go down there, which

563
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 5>is fine, absolutely fine, But then you need to find

564
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.680
<v Speaker 5>a solution how to sort this out. Then you get

565
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:45.200
<v Speaker 5>the rest of the world. No, I mean you go

566
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.279
<v Speaker 5>back to the South Africa example. There was a time

567
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.240
<v Speaker 5>where India was leading the charge of isolating South Africa

568
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.000
<v Speaker 5>because of a part head. But the rest of the

569
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.160
<v Speaker 5>countries then buy into it. Australia was still playing cricket

570
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 5>with them, England was playing cricket with investing these and

571
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 5>playing trick to them. But then you you gathered momentum

572
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:05.720
<v Speaker 5>slowly and steadily more countries joined you in that movement,

573
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.240
<v Speaker 5>and then it reached the state where everyone boycotted South

574
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 5>Africa to a point where you got what you wanted

575
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.920
<v Speaker 5>and they let go of that policy. So I mean

576
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:15.599
<v Speaker 5>you could do that with Pakistan.

577
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.359
<v Speaker 3>Park is on attempting financial option as well.

578
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.880
<v Speaker 4>Ass and like if you isolate them from World cricket,

579
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.680
<v Speaker 4>will it hurt the IC coffers No.

580
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 5>But my point is who are we to look out for? Icicers,

581
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 5>ic C needs to bother about ICIC I think what

582
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 5>India needs to look out for is bss here. Now

583
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.920
<v Speaker 5>let's say financially. And I don't buy the financial boogie

584
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 5>that oh India is playing for financial whatever.

585
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.559
<v Speaker 3>In the Asia Cup? Yeah, yeah, how.

586
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.640
<v Speaker 5>Does India even gain if India pulls out a Asia Cup?

587
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.880
<v Speaker 5>India could have organized a trial series that would have

588
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.599
<v Speaker 5>made probably the same amount of money for them as

589
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:49.680
<v Speaker 5>that which you could have done independently as well. So

590
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't think that India is doing it, you know

591
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 5>because a lot of people say money is the priority.

592
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.839
<v Speaker 5>So money can't be the priority. Firstly, government, Now why

593
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 5>did the government allow it? How is the government aining financially?

594
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:02.880
<v Speaker 5>Even if you're gaining financially, that money goes to the

595
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 5>business air comment doesn't get any of it. It's a

596
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 5>private firm b c CI is and they keep that

597
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 5>money with themselves. That's one Secondly, I don't think even

598
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.079
<v Speaker 5>bss AS is going to gain that much financially. They

599
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 5>could have gained the similar things by hosting another try series,

600
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.079
<v Speaker 5>So that's also not the thing. I think the reason

601
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 5>they've done it is because they don't see it would

602
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 5>cause you embarrassment that supposing you went with the stance

603
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.119
<v Speaker 5>of not playing them. Now, then what happens during the

604
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.680
<v Speaker 5>ic C tournament, Then they'll say, oh, you're playing in

605
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 5>ic you might as well have played in an ACC tournament.

606
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 5>So government also had to come up with one policy

607
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 5>that you follow. But then if this is the policy

608
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.640
<v Speaker 5>that the government follows, then you allow, Like I'm just

609
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 5>going back to the business owners, you allow them as

610
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 5>well to function in a limited capacity. What about the

611
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 5>film guys who made films and who are going to

612
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.000
<v Speaker 5>lose half their revenue, you allow them to do it

613
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 5>as well.

614
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:56.039
<v Speaker 3>Like one one thing will be interesting to see the

615
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 3>viewership numbers this time.

616
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.519
<v Speaker 5>What do you think it's going to take hit or

617
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:01.240
<v Speaker 5>it's gonna go.

618
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 4>On with with it might not better. The T twenty

619
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 4>World Cup is a bold call, and it's not a

620
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 4>it's not a guess. It's a bold call because I

621
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.119
<v Speaker 4>might I don't know. It might also it might also

622
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 4>exceed the T twenty World Cup numbers. Why do you think,

623
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 4>like you said the context, that people might not want

624
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 4>to be seen as watching the game, But then when

625
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:22.799
<v Speaker 4>you when you watch it on TV or when you

626
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 4>log into your streaming platform, it gets registered.

627
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 5>It's like it's like how when I go across covering cricket.

628
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<v Speaker 5>You know, nowadays it's fashionable to criticize and target the media, right,

629
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 5>and I'm not of much sports, but politically as well. Right,

630
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 5>you get targeted, and so everyone will say, no, no,

631
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 5>TV is this we don't watchudge, you know, but everyone

632
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.960
<v Speaker 5>watches they know on program It's like in a drawing

633
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:53.680
<v Speaker 5>room conversation. Now it's very cool to lampoon television media

634
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 5>saying a television we don't watch TV news, But how

635
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 5>do you know they're watching. They're all watching those same

636
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 5>mindless debates that have and that fighting everyone because the views.

637
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 5>So I mean, I I kind of agree with you

638
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.960
<v Speaker 5>that that no matter what people say, there will be

639
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.079
<v Speaker 5>a lot of them watching. Who knows because of this

640
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 5>this you know, almost warlike situation that you had, maybe

641
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.880
<v Speaker 5>emotions are running high. So when that match happens, more

642
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 5>and more people want to watch because I want India

643
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 5>to be in Pakistan and basa. So maybe it takes

644
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 5>the numbers high, But I know, what.

645
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:26.039
<v Speaker 3>Do you think?

646
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.960
<v Speaker 6>So the basic thing is that the government has allowed

647
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 6>the match to happen, right, So when the government has

648
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 6>allowed the match happened to happen and people are covering

649
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 6>in India.

650
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Who stops me or.

651
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 6>For you towards the match from your own drunk room?

652
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.119
<v Speaker 6>And why will you not watch the match? Like sitting

653
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 6>in your room, you will definitely watch the tv O

654
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 6>India and Pakistan playing. Let's just have a look at

655
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 6>the score. What is happening, Oh, there's no barbarism, there's

656
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:52.839
<v Speaker 6>no vertkuli.

657
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 1>What are the young guns doing? Let's just look up

658
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 1>and look at it.

659
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 6>And as you said, when the context of war is

660
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 6>on that Indian and Pakistan might go onto our let's see,

661
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 6>they must beat Pakistan. We can't lose to Pakistan now

662
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:06.960
<v Speaker 6>at all. So I think the numbers will definitely not

663
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 6>go down if they don't work, they will definitely not

664
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 6>go down even.

665
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.160
<v Speaker 5>If I feel that people don't watch it, and I

666
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 5>think this time genuinely they will be those people that

667
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:18.240
<v Speaker 5>will boycott the game. I have a feeling, whether it's

668
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 5>on TV or on the ground, there will be that.

669
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 5>But if India wins that game, that said, just take

670
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 5>the first game in India. Win India other favors. Don't

671
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 5>tell me people won't be celebrating and that you're not

672
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 5>going to be hearing five characters go and don't tell

673
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 5>me even if someone who tried his best not to

674
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 5>watch that game will not go back and watch those

675
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.160
<v Speaker 5>highlights till one hundred percent go back and see, oh,

676
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.480
<v Speaker 5>how is it that India? Because that will you know,

677
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.279
<v Speaker 5>arouse your patriotism.

678
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 4>That yeah, we've always associated patriotism with cricket. Doesn't like

679
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.160
<v Speaker 4>most of us, whether you call it a misconception, whether

680
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.559
<v Speaker 4>you say that it's a cricket team playing for a

681
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.480
<v Speaker 4>private entity and not representing your country, but not anymore

682
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 4>you're going to the Olympics. But yeah, but like I

683
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 4>have when I've grown up watching when he pulled off

684
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 4>his shirt and or when such a hit that six

685
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 4>against Shoybuger, I felt I felt patriotics and like that's

686
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.279
<v Speaker 4>that's how when I was growing up, I knew what

687
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:16.000
<v Speaker 4>it was to.

688
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.079
<v Speaker 6>You know, no, why cricket every yeah, I think every

689
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 6>sport has this. I remember that twenty fourteen World Cup

690
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 6>finals between Brazil and Germany. When Germany are battling Brazil,

691
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.559
<v Speaker 6>everybody was crying in the stands. The whole nasion was

692
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.039
<v Speaker 6>united and they were crying what has happened to our football?

693
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:32.440
<v Speaker 6>We were the world champion for so long.

694
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:34.799
<v Speaker 1>So it's assisted to every sport.

695
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.039
<v Speaker 6>There is one way for a common man to show that, yes,

696
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm an Indian, or I'm a Pakistani, or I'm a

697
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 6>German or I'm a British.

698
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:41.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

699
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.759
<v Speaker 6>When when England played the World Cup, even when they

700
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 6>are not a title containers, the World Cup will come home.

701
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 6>That trends and people are big fans. So patriotism and

702
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:51.480
<v Speaker 6>sports go together.

703
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 5>I think I no matter where I whether it's on

704
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 5>TV or live in at the Olympics, or even at

705
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.519
<v Speaker 5>there's an Indian national anthem just played, I get goosebumps.

706
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 5>Even when I go watch football and I'm Baker Stadium

707
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.480
<v Speaker 5>in India is playing whatever Syria or anyone, it's exactly

708
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 5>the same feeling. And I guess it why that happens

709
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 5>is it tugs at your basic human emotion where you

710
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 5>want to be better.

711
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 3>Than the other, and of something bigger as well, you know.

712
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.440
<v Speaker 5>As in we are better than them. And so those

713
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 5>days you know when I don't know, we want that

714
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 5>evolved one hundred years ago. You could go to war

715
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 5>and settle that. Right right now, you're living in an

716
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:35.440
<v Speaker 5>age where you don't do it. Sport's the only way.

717
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 5>And you said we are superior than you as a

718
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.519
<v Speaker 5>race or as a country and those things.

719
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 4>And I still can't forget the feeling that we had

720
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 4>in the in August last year, all of us were

721
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.440
<v Speaker 4>watching the Tokyo Olympics final kind of expecting me that to,

722
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, to walk away with the gold and the

723
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.239
<v Speaker 4>hardwak that we felt that day. I still haven't recovered

724
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 4>from it. By the way, I'm like, you know, I

725
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.559
<v Speaker 4>was ceremon I were just seeing as in like first throw,

726
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.760
<v Speaker 4>I think I sure didn't yeah, as an he didn't

727
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 4>complete the run run up again. And then the second

728
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.519
<v Speaker 4>when the even the commentators was they just grow louder.

729
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 5>The That's how it was in the stadia. I was

730
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 5>there and I'm a kid, you not when you threw

731
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.599
<v Speaker 5>and this, and when I was asked one of the

732
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 5>moments of the Olympic it was that because what happened

733
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.639
<v Speaker 5>was that when you see javelin in TV, it's a

734
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 5>different thing. It's you don't really get the bigger picture.

735
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 5>But of course when you're seeing it live, you can

736
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 5>see from it leaving, and it's not different camera cuts

737
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.960
<v Speaker 5>that you see right or a follow you don't understand.

738
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:36.920
<v Speaker 5>And even when the camera is following, you don't understand

739
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 5>the depth of it. You only understand once it's landing.

740
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:40.920
<v Speaker 5>But when you're seeing it live you can see how

741
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.320
<v Speaker 5>far it's going right now, most even if you're a

742
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 5>seventy meter thrower or in a ninety plus thrower, your

743
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 5>initial bit is quite the same. The initial tragic tree

744
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:52.760
<v Speaker 5>of each javelin thrower is the same, so it takes

745
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 5>about the same tragic tree, and then the ones who

746
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 5>hit ninety or are in the late eighties, their javelin

747
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 5>just continues on that tragic tree, whereas some then the

748
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.119
<v Speaker 5>ones that will fall short there begins to dip at

749
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.480
<v Speaker 5>the end. So the initial tragic tree is the same,

750
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.840
<v Speaker 5>and then some will dip and then some continue going

751
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:12.519
<v Speaker 5>usher scares. That's exactly what happens, so it throws it

752
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 5>it's similar, and then when you know that the dip

753
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 5>has to start. It doesn't dip, it goes and the

754
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.599
<v Speaker 5>whole stage, you know, you could hear the stadium were like, uh,

755
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.400
<v Speaker 5>it's not stopping, is it going? And then goes and

756
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 5>match knew it done something incredible. And just before that,

757
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 5>I remember social media and I must give I've also

758
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:33.960
<v Speaker 5>discredited Pakistan for a lot of things in this podcast.

759
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:38.039
<v Speaker 5>Must give them one thing credit for that. You won't

760
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:42.280
<v Speaker 5>find better self deprecating humor than Pakistani themselves. The amount

761
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 5>of fun that they make of their own athletes. So

762
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.880
<v Speaker 5>they they will like, we're still far more touchy of

763
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 5>our athletes. You know, we're very protective. They're not coming, Yeah,

764
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 5>they'll just go after it. So I remember the best

765
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 5>means of that javelin competition before the competition were coming

766
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:57.719
<v Speaker 5>from Pakistan only, and they were making fun. So there

767
00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 5>was this one thing about I think Wember or someone

768
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, practicing with.

769
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>This new technique and he's doing this.

770
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.400
<v Speaker 5>The one guy writing from Pakistan is look at our guy.

771
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.639
<v Speaker 5>He's going there with best wishes and ad above ghee

772
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 5>and milk. You know that that's this is what we

773
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 5>can give you.

774
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:14.559
<v Speaker 4>Now go, you know do what But now I can

775
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.480
<v Speaker 4>say one thing, and he did it. Now I can

776
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 4>say one thing. The rivalry is bigger and leveling than

777
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.280
<v Speaker 4>in cricket. It is it is I think the Asian

778
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 4>rivalry itself isn't there is a new ricent that's another day.

779
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Speaker 5>But the only difference is that both those guys and

780
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 5>I interacted with them after the medal before that are

781
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:35.440
<v Speaker 5>both these guys needed are shore in that sense. It's

782
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.480
<v Speaker 5>a gentle giants. So they while the rivalry is fun

783
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 5>to watch, they don't add any masala to it, which

784
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 5>is so respectful of each other. But in cricket, the

785
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 5>thing is that cricketers, I.

786
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Think the market. The market drives the way you behave also.

787
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 5>Generally how they behave, and then the social media posts

788
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 5>and you know how a lot of has been written

789
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.679
<v Speaker 5>about it. And I know some of those social media

790
00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:02.039
<v Speaker 5>post by a few Pakistani cricketers were downright shameful. But

791
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.960
<v Speaker 5>some Indian cricketers are also quite jinguistic and gaga in

792
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 5>praising their country, and I guess that happened. Some of

793
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 5>them did cross the line as well, especially in Pakistani cricketers.

794
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 5>I completely agree, but these two guys are like, no, no,

795
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 5>he's very good.

796
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 4>No, no, he is, and they're inspiring a lot of

797
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 4>other issuans also, Lincolns are coming up. Yeah, yeah, you

798
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 4>know what started as an podcast All three were from

799
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Speaker 4>cricket playing top three, just saying all the ones who

800
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 4>must be bowling at some point, neither gha than Anderson

801
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 4>and Peters.

802
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.199
<v Speaker 3>Maybe shoving can try it now?

803
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Speaker 5>Shoving still going through a No, it's it's considered a

804
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 5>bit of a slur to stell a fast baller, to

805
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:48.599
<v Speaker 5>go to javelin saying that you think I.

806
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Was throwing.

807
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 5>Because a few times unfairly so my dad, I was

808
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:58.480
<v Speaker 5>hugely fat.

809
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.159
<v Speaker 4>The moment, you know, myinds me of my gully cricket days,

810
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Speaker 4>the moment even in some cally cricket matches they allow

811
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.639
<v Speaker 4>you to throw, but the moment you go to some

812
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 4>match where only bowling is allowed, only round arm bowling

813
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 4>is allowed. You try your best, but since you don't

814
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 4>have that you know, practice of not bending them and bowling,

815
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 4>they'll call you out in two walls like you're.

816
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:21.760
<v Speaker 5>Not need maybe babe out.

817
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:27.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but what started, as you know, Asia Cup curtain

818
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.119
<v Speaker 4>Raiser has rightfully gone this way, I think, as in

819
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 4>if we had sat here and spoken about only okay,

820
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 4>who is who are we going to pick? What is

821
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.400
<v Speaker 4>Bangladeshi's chances and all that? But that will do next week.

822
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.119
<v Speaker 4>But I think with you here and with both of

823
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.480
<v Speaker 4>us chiming in, we spoke about things that we should

824
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Speaker 4>have we should speak about, and you talk about this

825
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:53.440
<v Speaker 4>Asia particular, especially in the lead up to the controversies

826
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.519
<v Speaker 4>and the lead up to it. But before we go

827
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.880
<v Speaker 4>the just give me a quick your quick thoughts on

828
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.719
<v Speaker 4>the squad and your quick thoughts on the squad. India sport,

829
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:06.199
<v Speaker 4>especially like Krista machadis they can't apparently told okay, they

830
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:07.880
<v Speaker 4>can win Asia Cup, but they can't win T twenty

831
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.679
<v Speaker 4>World Cup. But do you think this squad will go

832
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 4>to the T twenty World Cup? Is this going to

833
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:14.320
<v Speaker 4>be the fifteen sixteen?

834
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 5>In the squad, I don't see too many changes happen.

835
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 5>A couple might still happen, but I think they picked

836
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.360
<v Speaker 5>this sCOD keeping in mind the T twenty World Cup.

837
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 5>The only way I see some big changes happening is

838
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 5>if like the last Asia Cup in the T twenty

839
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 5>format that happened in the UA where India didn't make

840
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.599
<v Speaker 5>the final then I think you'd be forced to make

841
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 5>a few changes if you don't, which I don't think

842
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:40.000
<v Speaker 5>India will. I think for India not winning the Asia

843
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.119
<v Speaker 5>Cup will also be looked at as a disappointment. So

844
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 5>final they should definitely make. They are the best team,

845
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.800
<v Speaker 5>even though in T twenty the format is such that

846
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.440
<v Speaker 5>upsets can happen. But I think they'll keep that squad overall.

847
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.480
<v Speaker 5>I think, you know, if three of us also sat

848
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 5>and made the squad, we pretty much would have picked

849
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.159
<v Speaker 5>the same team. I was just a bit surprised with

850
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:03.119
<v Speaker 5>a couple of names. I think I would have, you know,

851
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 5>found a way to get him and the second name,

852
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.440
<v Speaker 5>which may surprise a lot of people. I was surprised

853
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 5>you didn't go with the Washington sunder. And the reason

854
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.199
<v Speaker 5>I'm saying that is you might need an off spinner.

855
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.280
<v Speaker 5>I know off spinners are going out of fashion in

856
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:21.239
<v Speaker 5>T twenty cricket. I looked at some numbers and you know,

857
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 5>with Ashwin going, it's pretty much the end of of spinner,

858
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 5>at least in the Indian context. And I know that

859
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 5>Washi was not even played as a spinner by Gujrat.

860
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 5>This idea pretty much played as a batter. But why

861
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.360
<v Speaker 5>I said that is because with Pakistan they got a

862
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.360
<v Speaker 5>few left handers and Nabby has been bowling well for

863
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.679
<v Speaker 5>Afghanistan in this series, so with a few lefties it

864
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't have really hurt them. And also because India would

865
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 5>be caught between you know, playing bothatikul Deep together. If

866
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 5>they don't play then they might be a bowler shot,

867
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 5>but then they need to fill a batter, so their

868
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 5>combination just doesn't add up. Had you got a Washi,

869
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 5>I think it would have just sorted a lot of things.

870
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.719
<v Speaker 5>So I'm a bit surprised that Washi and shares In

871
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 5>make it. But then I'm also picking overall. If I

872
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 5>look at this team, it's it's a gun team and

873
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 5>dare I say that they have You know, they are

874
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 5>the current T twenty champions, but imagine a team becoming

875
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 5>champion after that. You see a bit of a dip

876
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.679
<v Speaker 5>from each team, right, Yeah, once you reach the peak,

877
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:20.519
<v Speaker 5>India has actually pushed the boundaries even to another level.

878
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.960
<v Speaker 4>Now I think it'll be it will that will be

879
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:26.119
<v Speaker 4>the pressure to maintain that in the lead up to

880
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 4>the T twenty World Cup.

881
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 5>May not see so I'll only tell fans one thing

882
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.400
<v Speaker 5>that you've gotten used to the two hundred and fifty

883
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 5>sixties seventies that India was piling up in Hyderabad. Then

884
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.559
<v Speaker 5>in South Africa, India was going past two fifteen quite

885
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:41.400
<v Speaker 5>comfortably in T twenty cricket phenomenal numbers. But I'm just

886
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 5>saying in n Asia Cup, I would want Indian fans

887
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 5>to reconfigure that because the conditions aren't going to be

888
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:50.000
<v Speaker 5>like that, So just change that. Don't expect those numbers.

889
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.480
<v Speaker 5>But I still feel this Indian team will be ahead

890
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 5>of the Cup, so whatever they do is going to

891
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.239
<v Speaker 5>be the benchmark. Others will be following. And I mean,

892
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:02.320
<v Speaker 5>while they be a good competition from Lanka, from Pakistan, Afghanistan,

893
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 5>I still think in the clear cut favorite, I don't

894
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 5>see any area that they haven't got covered. And one

895
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 5>thing I'm really looking forward to. Would I have picked

896
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 5>the Schumann Gill in the team, Maybe not, But what

897
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm looking forward to is how Shumann Gill approaches this.

898
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.960
<v Speaker 5>I have a feeling that we look at Shubman Gill

899
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 5>as a semi aggressive batter, right, Let's put it that way.

900
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 5>He's got good IPL numbers, decent T twenty a numbers

901
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.159
<v Speaker 5>as well, but and even one fifty strike d which

902
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.159
<v Speaker 5>he operates that is phenomenal for most other teams. But

903
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm looking at that Indian batting lineup where he does

904
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.360
<v Speaker 5>seem a bit short on that. But I would love

905
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:39.599
<v Speaker 5>to see how he's going to play. I have a

906
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 5>feeling that he will play in a very different role.

907
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 5>I think he's going to be. He will have to

908
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.519
<v Speaker 5>buy into the philosophy of this team, which is led

909
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 5>by Ssurakumaria, where everyone has been told that fifty sixty

910
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 5>seventies I don't need from you. I need a twenty

911
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 5>ball thirty or a fifteen ball forty or you know,

912
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.440
<v Speaker 5>to that level, and that does it. Each of us

913
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.800
<v Speaker 5>is going to do that, go out and entertain, and

914
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 5>I think rather than Schumann continuing in the form that

915
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.639
<v Speaker 5>all the mold that he operates in, he will buy

916
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 5>into this philosophy and you might say a different Shuman.

917
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:12.480
<v Speaker 5>And if you can do that, then I think it

918
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.199
<v Speaker 5>doesn't matter whether it Schumann opening or Yessr, who I

919
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 5>also thought was unfortunate to have missed out, but it'll

920
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:20.480
<v Speaker 5>be the same thing.

921
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.199
<v Speaker 4>So sort of Schumann or Samson isn't like Schuman yes,

922
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 4>but will Samson be there in eleven or.

923
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.519
<v Speaker 6>See when the squad was announced, I was very very

924
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 6>against the inclusion of Schumann in this squad and then

925
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 6>the name in the vice captain. But when I was

926
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:36.280
<v Speaker 6>doing a story as usest in me. So I was

927
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 6>doing a story and I was looking at the stats

928
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.000
<v Speaker 6>of how the Indian teduntary openers have fared in the

929
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.880
<v Speaker 6>past three or four years since that two T twenty

930
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.239
<v Speaker 6>World Cup where we failed. So that states that Schumann

931
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 6>Gill has been part of India's best opening partnership in

932
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 6>titndies and the opening partnership of Sandu Samson and shik

933
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 6>Shelma has the poorest average among the last ten bring partners.

934
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.840
<v Speaker 3>But one of them have carried on. Yeah, but there

935
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 3>was This is a wrong metric.

936
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 5>Ye who cares about.

937
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 6>Having Yes, there is where coming but the strike When

938
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 6>you talk about the strike rate, when Schumann Gill has

939
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 6>been part of an opening partnership, the strike it has

940
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 6>been something around one for T one thirty. But when

941
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 6>these two have been there it has always been on

942
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:23.320
<v Speaker 6>one at one ninety tred. So yeah, and the way

943
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 6>we have seen cricket now, you can't have a six

944
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 6>over forty. Not with a zero ticket. You will better

945
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.760
<v Speaker 6>take it a seventy of one in six over. In

946
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 6>the current setup, even if you're playing in the way,

947
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:35.760
<v Speaker 6>if you can get going, you can get going.

948
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when Nicol was talking about semi aggressive, I think

949
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 4>there's no doubt that Schumann can't be as aggressive as Samson.

950
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.679
<v Speaker 3>But the first five balls, can you just take the

951
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:49.000
<v Speaker 3>fear of failure out and go for it?

952
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 5>You know? You see you now look at the ipl

953
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.280
<v Speaker 5>that happened, and this is the approach by GT. But

954
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 5>you see GT felt shot okay. But now look at

955
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 5>the teams that made their final. Even if we're in

956
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 5>that sense, changed his approach and they had a filled

957
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:06.599
<v Speaker 5>sort to do that damage. You know, so you needed

958
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 5>that approach. Look at a PUNJABU made the final, the

959
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.559
<v Speaker 5>two openers operating the same way. So I think this

960
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 5>is what what you've realized. So it's not that See

961
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:16.880
<v Speaker 5>we also see the strike rate at the end and

962
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 5>one fifty does look good, But what happens You don't

963
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:22.039
<v Speaker 5>feel at the power play that much now you reach

964
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.400
<v Speaker 5>one fifty because you operate at one thirty for most

965
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 5>of the time, and towards the end you make it

966
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 5>one fifty. But if you look at in the larger

967
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 5>you know picture for the team and you say, no,

968
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 5>I want one fifty at the start, one fifty in

969
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 5>the middle, and my the correct So my guys will

970
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 5>also operate at two hundred, which you will too. But

971
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 5>you've wasted that one sixty, one fifty or one eighty

972
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 5>strike rad I needed at the start by being at

973
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 5>one point.

974
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 3>You can always make up for it as an overrated statement.

975
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:51.679
<v Speaker 5>In correct, correct, correct, So I think that way, and

976
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.119
<v Speaker 5>I have a feeling that once he's coming to the team,

977
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 5>and that's fair enough. You see him as a future star.

978
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 5>It's not that he can't play like that. He may

979
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 5>have been told that you got to operate in a

980
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 5>different gear. It doesn't matter. We are not looking at

981
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 5>big runs for you. You have the strokes that you know

982
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 5>you need to operate at one sixty, one seventy. You

983
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:10.960
<v Speaker 5>play that, you get out, not a problem. And I

984
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.440
<v Speaker 5>give you some insight if you remember I we had

985
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 5>Sulukumar Y'ada for our conclavet very recently and I did

986
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.920
<v Speaker 5>ask him this that you know, how is it that

987
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.280
<v Speaker 5>you've gotten this team to buy into your philosophy it's

988
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 5>one thing that we kept saying about fear of failure

989
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.400
<v Speaker 5>should be out bad like them. But you have to

990
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.519
<v Speaker 5>convince everyone to do that. Right, How did you get them?

991
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 5>And he said, listen, I only told them one thing,

992
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 5>he said, I have told them. Forget about everything else.

993
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.159
<v Speaker 5>You walk on to the field that thirty thousand people

994
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 5>who've come to watch, go and entertain them. Their job

995
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.840
<v Speaker 5>is to entertain them. Forget about what will happen. And

996
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 5>he said, if each guy goes with that mentality that

997
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.519
<v Speaker 5>whatever deliveries I spend, I will entertain them. It's not

998
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 5>about I get a big total. The total gets managed

999
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 5>by itself. The philosophy gets managed by itself, and so

1000
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.599
<v Speaker 5>everyone plays and short enough this team. What it showed

1001
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:58.360
<v Speaker 5>was that there were occasions if you've seen in the

1002
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.159
<v Speaker 5>last year, were there, I mean thirty for three or four,

1003
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 5>and yet they've piled up more than two hundred because

1004
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 5>they just did not move from that one thought that

1005
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 5>we have to keep attacking. And I'm liking that, so

1006
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 5>I guess Schumann might. I was also sorry. I didn't

1007
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.119
<v Speaker 5>really think that Shuman should have been part of that team,

1008
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 5>But now that you've got him, I think he'll change

1009
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:19.039
<v Speaker 5>the way he'll play.

1010
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:20.119
<v Speaker 1>He has change.

1011
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.320
<v Speaker 4>I hope Ben Duckett hasn't seen this part you saying

1012
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 4>that told you that they wanted to entertain the crowd.

1013
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 3>He might claim credit for that.

1014
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.239
<v Speaker 4>Baball is the bedrock of India's twenty revolution.

1015
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:36.639
<v Speaker 5>But I must say I really enjoyed Duckets patting.

1016
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:38.639
<v Speaker 3>I think he's a pattern.

1017
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. But even the way bats in test latch cricket, Yeah,

1018
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 5>I mean you need openers like that is also one

1019
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.320
<v Speaker 5>of those. And duck a little bit of the left

1020
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.519
<v Speaker 5>left handed verse. Yeah, you're right, and he's not all

1021
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 5>just attack attack. He's got a good technique, good defense. Yeah.

1022
00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.280
<v Speaker 5>Also making of being a top notch.

1023
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 6>He took rough Yeah, so he has got all that

1024
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:04.679
<v Speaker 6>attribis to be a scessful opener.

1025
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.280
<v Speaker 1>And even in T twenty and oas he has been

1026
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>really good.

1027
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 6>Like people I was, I was listening to a lot

1028
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 6>of people when they were playing that county cricket, so

1029
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.480
<v Speaker 6>they were talking about him, They're talking about Bendaget, and

1030
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 6>then when they saw their numbers in T twentys and os,

1031
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.039
<v Speaker 6>they're equally good. So it's not just his hitting runs

1032
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.920
<v Speaker 6>at good pace he's hitting runs for long form.

1033
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And also so he's there and for the squat. I

1034
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:29.360
<v Speaker 1>wanted to make one point.

1035
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:31.760
<v Speaker 6>I was very very I felt very hard done by

1036
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:34.840
<v Speaker 6>the absence of jas Well. I love jas Well as

1037
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 6>a batter in T twenty especially, but like, yes, he

1038
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.960
<v Speaker 6>has been performing good for you in test cgate, but

1039
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:42.400
<v Speaker 6>that does not mean that you drop him ten tis format.

1040
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but you know what you're talking about. You can

1041
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 4>deeple speaking to us. He said, there are forty cricketers

1042
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.199
<v Speaker 4>an Indian setup right now in T twenty setup where

1043
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.519
<v Speaker 4>you can pick one and argue for and against him,

1044
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 4>you can drop one and argue for and against him.

1045
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:56.760
<v Speaker 4>Forty might be a two bigger number, but at least

1046
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:57.320
<v Speaker 4>twenty others.

1047
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.599
<v Speaker 5>No. In fact, I we did exercise and I said

1048
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:04.800
<v Speaker 5>that look at this Indian team and the embarrassment which

1049
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 5>is that we have I may we made an alternate

1050
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:12.559
<v Speaker 5>eleven and that alternate eleven was a gun eleven. So

1051
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:17.960
<v Speaker 5>you get a Y and uh side to open, yes,

1052
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.280
<v Speaker 5>them to open. Number three could be care right, who

1053
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.400
<v Speaker 5>had a phenomenal I po. You can get a year

1054
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 5>at four, Ryan five at six.

1055
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:34.559
<v Speaker 3>Again can walk into that side as well.

1056
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 5>Exactly. But because I got kre at three. The numbers

1057
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.320
<v Speaker 5>are very good at this, I PO better than this.

1058
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Speaker 5>So like he's there and then you've got you. I

1059
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:45.639
<v Speaker 5>could have gone to the site shore. We are outstanding.

1060
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.239
<v Speaker 5>I PO the shnow is there? Uh? You know? So

1061
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 5>was she soon that? In fact he didn't make this

1062
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:58.159
<v Speaker 5>team and you your highest wicket taker. So imagine that

1063
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.960
<v Speaker 5>eleven was this eleven far more competitive?

1064
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Then get another team.

1065
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.840
<v Speaker 1>In have a series between you.

1066
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:07.840
<v Speaker 5>See, they could have found away like we are boycotting.

1067
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 5>We're not sending a main team, sending beating. It would

1068
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 5>have killed two birds with one stone. That yeah, give

1069
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.559
<v Speaker 5>me envy of the world the talent that.

1070
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.840
<v Speaker 4>You have of course, and hope yeah, yeah, I hope

1071
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:28.079
<v Speaker 4>we bring the results that is expected off before you.

1072
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 5>Who do you think is going to be playing twenty

1073
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.639
<v Speaker 5>eighth final.

1074
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 6>India Afghanistan for hmm, it's old call, but it is

1075
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:41.079
<v Speaker 6>a good call because Afghanistan finished fourth in the World Cup.

1076
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:42.800
<v Speaker 6>India one that you don't need World Cup and those

1077
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.320
<v Speaker 6>are spin friending conditions here.

1078
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Also, I think you will get spins and the.

1079
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.000
<v Speaker 5>Only thing is condition. Pictures might be but I think

1080
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:51.400
<v Speaker 5>this and that's why if I pick my vantage. I'm

1081
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 5>going to India Pakistan and I'll tell you why. It's

1082
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 5>conditioned specific. So you're playing all matches at night, right,

1083
00:51:58.360 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 5>and they will be due that it's set in a

1084
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.239
<v Speaker 5>that type. I don't know how and both in remember

1085
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.280
<v Speaker 5>Champions Tropheet helped the spinners, but those are day games, right,

1086
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 5>I mean half of it you played in the day.

1087
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 5>So India even played four spinners in a lot of games.

1088
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.480
<v Speaker 5>But now I think if you remember now last Asia

1089
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:17.559
<v Speaker 5>Cup where India did not make the final, but Sri Lanka,

1090
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 5>Pakistan went there, and you remember Sri Lanka on the

1091
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 5>dint of their seam bowlers was good than the left Tama,

1092
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 5>so they did a lot of it. And ditto. I

1093
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 5>think Afghanistan right now in the tricity is being four

1094
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.000
<v Speaker 5>four spinners in eleven which they'll do well. There are

1095
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:36.920
<v Speaker 5>a lot of them are mystery spinners of due al,

1096
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.960
<v Speaker 5>so they can control. But I think it will be

1097
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 5>the fast bowling and for Pakistan showing some better form.

1098
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:53.239
<v Speaker 5>They've got that fish, they've got Hassan. Yeah he's getting

1099
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.440
<v Speaker 5>toung for a few runs. But now see what they've

1100
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 5>done is they've now gone on the Indian model. They're

1101
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 5>trying to ape in there and that's getting my dimension

1102
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.239
<v Speaker 5>player for sim for them, and bowls can also you know,

1103
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 5>get to runs and bowls. So they're getting into these

1104
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:11.239
<v Speaker 5>multi dimensional players and they've dropped Barber and Reswan and

1105
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 5>to look.

1106
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.519
<v Speaker 3>Have some Indian problems. Of the five openers in the

1107
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:15.239
<v Speaker 3>top five.

1108
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 5>Correct, but then they've been told that you keep suckers

1109
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:21.559
<v Speaker 5>not opening because they've got.

1110
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:27.320
<v Speaker 6>That opening they also have. They have Mama Harris with

1111
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.079
<v Speaker 6>the keepers. They also have I.

1112
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Think he's been in.

1113
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:34.199
<v Speaker 3>An opener.

1114
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 1>He plays an opener, and.

1115
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.400
<v Speaker 5>He's the one who's winning them games.

1116
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 6>He's coming down and in finishing games for them, so

1117
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 6>he's the as fact right now for them.

1118
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.760
<v Speaker 4>So that means I'm happy that as professionals we are

1119
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 4>doing our job getting to know Pakistan.

1120
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.800
<v Speaker 5>The other thing is why one is the job. Secondly,

1121
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:58.639
<v Speaker 5>I mean I've been going through what we call those

1122
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.599
<v Speaker 5>anxiety tea episodes of having no live Indian cricket. I've

1123
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 5>not gotten used to such a big gap of no

1124
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Speaker 5>Indian cricket, so I'm craving a cricket. So where do

1125
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:10.880
<v Speaker 5>I get. There's a tri series happening, so I end

1126
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.000
<v Speaker 5>up watching that we don't need how work, we need

1127
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 5>not be managed.

1128
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:18.639
<v Speaker 3>Actually it's really frustrating.

1129
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.599
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, asn't like now even the even the other

1130
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 4>sports it has started now, asn't there was a lull

1131
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 4>there also the yes, the World Championship badminton and all that.

1132
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Now you have a series of events.

1133
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, true, yeah, but when we get back next week

1134
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.960
<v Speaker 4>we'll talk in depth about what is going to happen

1135
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 4>cricket wise in Asia Cup immediately till then. As in

1136
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 4>like the viewers and listeners, you can send in your thoughts.

1137
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 4>We had Nickel, you allowed to sledge in the common sec.

1138
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:51.559
<v Speaker 3>They do, they do.

1139
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.880
<v Speaker 4>Actually, they questioned us, you know when I think we

1140
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 4>spoke about Superman will and the selection thing. Yes, we

1141
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.760
<v Speaker 4>asked us, what at what level have you played cricket?

1142
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:01.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1143
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.400
<v Speaker 4>So, and our king shukosari asn't like. He is a

1144
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:08.400
<v Speaker 4>very very ire dient, you know, follower of these comments

1145
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:10.719
<v Speaker 4>and when it comes to replying, he doesn't wait for

1146
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 4>the next week's episode.

1147
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:13.320
<v Speaker 3>He goes there and lies.

1148
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:14.079
<v Speaker 5>What did he say?

1149
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 3>He says, I have been a fast bowler in created so.

1150
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 5>It doesn't matter you are saying even if you did

1151
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.119
<v Speaker 5>not play Color Cricket. The best film reviewers. I've never

1152
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 5>made a film right, but they I rely on them.

1153
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.679
<v Speaker 5>I read about them and they do give great insights

1154
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 5>in how a film is made. I don't think Ratan

1155
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:37.199
<v Speaker 5>Tata knew how to make trucks right, but Tata makes

1156
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.239
<v Speaker 5>the most amount of trucks there in the world.

1157
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:40.000
<v Speaker 3>So yeah.

1158
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 4>I also feel that when it comes to watching US

1159
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 4>journalists talk about something, you don't have to actually take

1160
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:48.400
<v Speaker 4>us seriously. It's just an opinion as we are giving

1161
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:50.199
<v Speaker 4>you an opinion sometimes unless it's yes.

1162
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 3>But when when we are giving opinions, you either take

1163
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 3>it or not.

1164
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:56.679
<v Speaker 4>As in most times we as in we try to

1165
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.599
<v Speaker 4>shy away from giving youngg like I'm doing now.

1166
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.199
<v Speaker 3>But no, no, that's fine.

1167
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.280
<v Speaker 5>See again, as I tell you, you would never be

1168
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 5>able to make everyone happy, of course, and no matter

1169
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:12.239
<v Speaker 5>what you say, yeah people again, we live in times

1170
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:14.159
<v Speaker 5>where people will never change your opinion. I go back

1171
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 5>to drawing room conversation. You have a political debate and

1172
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:18.360
<v Speaker 5>you are on this side of the fence and the

1173
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:20.559
<v Speaker 5>other way. No matter how much you say, he's never

1174
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:22.639
<v Speaker 5>going to change your mind. No matter how much he says,

1175
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 5>You're not going to change. It doesn't matter. I also

1176
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 5>listen to each other.

1177
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:27.519
<v Speaker 4>There's a little bit of lack of empathy on social media.

1178
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I wonder, Okay, if five were in that person,

1179
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.519
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't sit behind a keyboard or a monitor and

1180
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.719
<v Speaker 4>type of comment like that. When people meet you in person,

1181
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:38.639
<v Speaker 4>they're not this one hundred person.

1182
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I completely agree. I said, if you go through

1183
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Speaker 5>some of the mention in my social media, you will

1184
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.639
<v Speaker 5>see a lot of hate. And even in the comment

1185
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:49.280
<v Speaker 5>section of the videos that we do, you do see

1186
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.639
<v Speaker 5>a lot of hate. But believe you me, every time

1187
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 5>I've gone it, and mostly I end up meeting people

1188
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.679
<v Speaker 5>who know us in cricket matches right on the ground.

1189
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:00.000
<v Speaker 5>So many times I have not met a single person

1190
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:03.800
<v Speaker 5>and who's been nasty or has even been critical. It

1191
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.519
<v Speaker 5>will come even if they have disagreed with something. They'll

1192
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 5>talk for people. I said, why I heard that, but

1193
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:09.719
<v Speaker 5>you know I don't, and then we end up having

1194
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 5>a discussion in a of course. But majority of the

1195
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 5>eighteen ninety percent are very complimentary of the work that

1196
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:16.719
<v Speaker 5>you do and how you've been doing and how they've

1197
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.039
<v Speaker 5>been following you for so long. So I guess it's

1198
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 5>only on social media where you are faceless and you

1199
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 5>want to win your anger, infustation. You're right, whatever, you

1200
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 5>want to get noticed or whatever. Yeah, but you're not

1201
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:29.119
<v Speaker 5>that version when you meet those people. In course, in

1202
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:30.559
<v Speaker 5>course that's true, but.

1203
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.159
<v Speaker 4>That doesn't stop you, you guys, from being nasty. If

1204
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.400
<v Speaker 4>you had fought with your partners, you can just went

1205
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 4>it out on us as well.

1206
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 3>We'll take it. But on a serious note.

1207
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 5>Which actually may have fought because delivery is not coming on.

1208
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:46.360
<v Speaker 4>But on a serious note, you know we have as

1209
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 4>a nickel and sort of all of us have made

1210
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:51.639
<v Speaker 4>some points that we think is right or wrong.

1211
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:52.960
<v Speaker 3>You can respond to them.

1212
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.000
<v Speaker 4>You can share your thoughts on eight five double eight nine,

1213
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:57.360
<v Speaker 4>double six, double nine six. If you're listening to us

1214
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.480
<v Speaker 4>on Spotify and Apple podcasts, please do rate us and

1215
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:03.079
<v Speaker 4>like we always say, and like you just said, if

1216
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 4>you're watching us on YouTube, please leave your comment.

1217
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.679
<v Speaker 3>We'll be more than happy to learn your feedback. Thank you.

1218
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.159
<v Speaker 4>Have a great week. If we'll come back with a

1219
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 4>lot of Asia Cup specials.

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00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Thank you,