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Speaker 1: For messenger, the Messenger of the Covenant, which the minor

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prophet talk about. That's Jesus in Exodus three. The voice

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speaking out of the burning bush is the same angel

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in Exodus twenty three who can remit sins and has

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the name of Yahweh in him. That's not a creature

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Roman Catholics. All of this is demonstrating that Roman Catholics

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and their insane commitments to stupid positions, are on their

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way to being Muslims. They're almost there. James White too,

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by the way, because the Angel of the Lord is

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not the Son of God. I mean, has this guy

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never heard any debates that me or Sam she may

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have done with Muslims. I remember when I debated Trent,

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I said, Trent, how are you going to debate with

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a Muslim when you're sacrificing one of your best arguments

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against must or against the jew Did you guys hear

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Sam Sheumun's debate with the Orthodox rabbi kid he demolished them.

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How by this he demolished that young Jewish guy from

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Britain who knows Hebrew. I was trying to argue the

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Hebrew and Sam demolished him. It's an amazing debate. I

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highly recommend it. Guess what, it's the same debate with

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the Muslims.

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Speaker 2: And that's not exactly a modern thing.

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Speaker 3: It's all over Patristics because Patristics are crystocentric, and the

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debating originally Jews as well.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not a fringe, weird positions, theologumental stuff. No church pazzes

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go all the time through the Old Testament.

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Speaker 2: They say, hey, that's Christ.

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Speaker 1: Now other people commented on this, oh, some other commentators

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have done a response, and the Thomas Aquinas mentions that

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they're traces of the Trinity the Old Testament. This is

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not talking about the Catholic idea of traces of the

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Trinity in the Old Testament. This is specifically about Theophanes

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in time and space, particularly the Angel of the Lord.

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And it's not always just a theophany of a body

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who is rustling. What does it say in Genesis thirty

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two says at the end that when he struck his hip, Well,

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it says that that Jacob saw the ladder of God right,

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ascending it to heaven. Is that twenty eight? I think? Yeah,

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So in twenty eight Jacob sees when he lays his

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head down. He sees this vision of the ladder of God.

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That's the you know, spiritual ladder. It's verse seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Ish.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to go back between septuigen and right here

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and Masaai texts. Jacob awoke from his sleep and said,

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surely God is in this place. No, wait a minute,

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how is God in this place? If God is not

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in time and space? But no, he actually is interacting

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with the theophany of the Lord. You understand this argument

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refutes Roman. All of Roman Catholicism can fall on this point.

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You understand that. Do you remember the Thomis that called

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in argue with me and I kept going to Leviticus nine,

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the glory of the Lord appearing in time and space,

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and they all admit that the Glory of God is

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not a creature. Uh oh, Now what they have to

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admit essence, entergy, distinction in our position, or else they're

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going to be Muslims. Look what does it say right here?

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Jacob awoke? Surely he always in this place. How awesome

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is this place? This is none other than the House

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of God and the Gate of Heaven. And let's go

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to thirty two where he wrestles. Who I wonder who

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this is? I'm amazed these Roman Celics are. This is

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how biblically illiterate, the Roman Calics and the Tamasar. If

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they would get their head out of the dry, boring

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aquina stuff and put their face in the Bible, they

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might actually know some of this. Jacob said, tell me

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your name? Who are you this angel that I've wrestled with?

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Why is it you ask about my name? Where have

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we heard that before? Judges thirteen? What does the angel

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Lord say to Manoah? Why do you ask my name?

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Seeing as it is wonderful? Why do you ask my name?

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Why do you ask my name? It is wonderful? Who

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does Isaiah identify as wonderful, wonderful counselor mighty God? The

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one whose name is wonderful is not Michael or Gabriel.

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It's the Son of God, the Son of God, the

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son of God that job saw. I saw one like

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a son of God. Tell me your name, it is wonderful.

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Jacob called this place Peniel. I have seen God face

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to face. Imagine thinking seeing that and going with the

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Jewish Muslim argument that the created being there was an

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angel God doesn't share his glory with creatures unless we're

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talking about theosis. You don't get to be called Yahweh

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if you're a creature. And yet we're told that Yahweh

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turned his face to Gideon when the same angel the

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Lord appears to Gideon, the same angel the Lord. Now

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you've you've read all this right? Who does Jesus identify

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himself as in John one? Well, it's actually Nathaniel. Nathaniel says,

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I saw you, and are you the King of Israel

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and the Son of God? John one forty nine. Jesus said,

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because I said to you, I saw you under the

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fig tree, do you now believe you will see greater

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things than this? Most assurely, I say to you, you

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shall see Heaven open, and the angels of God ascending

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and descending upon the Son of Man. Oh, what is that?

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of the logos. Jacob identifies the Angel of the Lord

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as the ladder of God upon whom the angels are

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descending and ascending and descending. And the Roman Caolics can't

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figure out that this is Jesus. This is a pathetic

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and heterodox. The papal cult. Is it really is this bat?

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You wonder why I'm so vicious and vehemence against the

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Roman Catholics. They're robbing you of your best argument against

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Muslims and Jews, these idiots. Genesis twenty eight twelve to

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thirteen Jacob's latter where he sees the angels ascending and descending,

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when he sees the Angel of the Lord, and Jesus

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tells you right there who it is, and the Roman

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Catholics say, no, Jesus, that's not you. I know better

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because Thomas Aquinas, my cult leader, told me that that's

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not you. Now that we can go, There are twenty

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other passages in Genesis. But if you want a longer exposition,

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I've already done every passage in the Torah except for

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the one I missed, which I mentioned later on, of Etheophany.

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Catholics really struggle with Leviticus nine. Remember, God's glory is

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not a creature. We all admit this. So even if

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it's not the case, But even if we threw out

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all these examples of the Angel the Lord, what are

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any of these Roman coal that's going to do with

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this passage where it says Aaron lifted up his hands

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toward the people, blessed them, and came down from the

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offering of the sin offering and the burnt offering and

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the peace offerings. Aaron and Moses went into the tabernacle

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meeting and came out to bless the people. And then

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the glory of the Lord appeared to the people, and

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fire came out from before the Lord and consumed the

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burnt offering, and they all fell on their face. Now,

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wait a minute, is the glory of God a creature?

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does not equate his glory to a created thing. Remember

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when I asked this to the Tomus that we're calling

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in and they all lost their mind and just flipped out.

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more in Deuteronomy, in numbers in Leviticus. So they just

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don't know what the bubble actually says. They're like Muslims

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and Jews, because Jews follow the Talmud and for the Thomas,

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Thomas is their Talmud saint, Talmud Aquinas. How's that Talmud Aquinas?

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There you go? I'm sorry Exandra rant to go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, thank you? Is they love I'm still or no,

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you're good, Okay, that's good man. That was actually insane.

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Speaker 5: Even Sam Shamoon when I was watching them back in

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his Protestant days, like that was that was this was

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the argument that it was hammering down.

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Speaker 1: It's like so obvious when if you know the Old

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Testament really well, it's just super obvious. It's not even

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it's like, that's why Paul says that there's a veil

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over the mind of the Jews when they read the

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Old Testament because they can't see Christ everywhere in the

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Old Testament. And these, uh, the followers of Saint talmud

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Aquinas have the same Jewish veil over their hearts.

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Speaker 3: And again it's not only being robbed of argument, it's

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what's the point of the Old Testament?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 2: You know, that's the entire point that it was Christ

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Speaker 3: That's the entire death of these sticks, which which is huge,

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that's the entire point of it. That's that's also super

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in terms of understandings the new system, and it's it's

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Speaker 2: It's before abram I m.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's also part of the big deception, as

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Snacks pointing out, which robs us not just of apologetic arguments,

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but actually robs us of the truth. And we fall

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into delusion because when Nos Tate three says that Muslims

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and Jews and Christians all worship the same God, it's

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premised on the assumption that the Old Testament is teaching

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a unitarian God and not the Trinity, and that it's

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generic theism. So you see that Roman Galvics are just

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Speaker 4: The quick question, real.

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Speaker 5: Quick, before I asked my last question, is this also

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why Jimmy Aiken came out saying that Isaiah for three

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was also about the about Israel, the nation of Israel,

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and Jesus and not just Jesus.

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Speaker 4: Or is there something different going on there?

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know his position on that, but I

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did you know that he liked Voice of Reason also

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rejects Ephesus. Oh well, yeah, let me play the clip.

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Speaker 6: He said, actually, no, I don't think Jesus is two persons.

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Speaker 1: Let me clarify, and he did.

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Speaker 7: He didn't think Jesus was two persons, and he accepted.

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Speaker 1: The Church's judgment, and he died in communion with the church.

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Speaker 1: I think he meant Astorias, but he actually says Nestorius.

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but this is why Voice of Reason says the culture

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of effanges made error where they condemn their storage good

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in their storage. I heard d this is why they

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say this because of this gootball.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: So they actually reject emphasis and they don't believe in

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infalliblecumenical councils because the councils now aired and the Storius

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, thanks for thanks for clarifying that. So my

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last question is is this. I've been looking inside the

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community of saints and stuff.

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Speaker 4: And then uh I went when I went.

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Speaker 5: To to the Antiothan church, I couldn't help but notice

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the saints on the ceilings and on the walls and

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everywhere around this, is there is there like a thematic?

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Speaker 4: Is there a theme around that, or is there like.

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Speaker 1: Well, the the dome and the ceiling of the church

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is supposed to give us the impression that Heaven has

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come down to us and we are in the presence

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of the heavenly liturgy, which is what John is doing

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and seeing in Revelation five or nine.

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Speaker 5: And I was, okay, I just want to go from

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Speaker 3: So there are some common themes, you know, icons that

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Speaker 2: There are local.

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put saints that are more relevant or important for them.

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male sense on the right. The central door will have

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the for evangelists, because there is a door that opens

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toward towards the inner symptom is is the gospel above it.

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starts with incarnation. Oftentimes there is the icon of the

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protection of the Mother of God above the outside door,

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so that's about you know, going into the world having

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the protection. There is also classification of things in terms

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of important there are so usually you'll have apostles, martyrs,

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things like this, and of course, liturgically speaking, you you

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Speaker 4: Thanks thanks man about the icons.

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list thing, I'm gonna say that I have this argument

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that I was talking to my personal friend about this,

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about like the whole community of saints and stuff like that,

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and like how I first started, like I started like

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having prayers about it, about a prayer book from the church,

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and then I started praying and he said he was

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asking me, well, why don't you just go directed.

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Speaker 4: To Jesus and stuff.

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Speaker 5: Like that, And I didn't. I didn't give out the

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common responses. I I think I like I reached this

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conclusion by myself. I wanted I wanted to I wanted

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to know why.

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Speaker 4: You thought the way you thought of it.

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Speaker 5: Is that Protestantism's way of viewing the saints it makes

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God a pagan utilitarian god.

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the way to view the saints is, uh, the God

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just uses them for here on earth, and after that

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he discards.

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Speaker 4: Them, and like he all all the oldest focus is.

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Speaker 5: On him, like he uses it for like for one person,

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one purpose and one purpose, and then after day like

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he forgets about them.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, I think you could maybe make

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a connection like that, But I mean, I think most

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Protestants would admit that, you know the quote saints are

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in heaven doing something. I don't know what, but the

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Book of Revelation tells us that they're involved in the

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liturgical worship of heaven. So I want to play this

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clip here to let you see that Voice of Reason

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has the exact same ridiculous error that Jimmy Aiken has.

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Speaker 8: Are serious, So the church isn't protected in matters of fact.

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Speaker 4: The Church is only.

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Speaker 8: Protected only infallible in matters of faith and morals. In

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the same way that condemn the stories erritic, we don't

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know looking bad that the council correct the story.

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Speaker 1: First of all, all of that was assertions the idea

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that there's no connection between the condemnation of a council

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and faith in morals, I think condemning one of the

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biggest heresy arcs in the history of the Church relates

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to morals and faith, you think, But he tries to

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come up with this arbitrary standard that, oh, that actually

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is not under infallibility, and so the entire Council of

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Ephesus and all the acts. He doesn't even understand how

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devastating this would be to the actual council. He's not

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even read the acts and the statements that Cyril wrote

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the twelve anathemas. Of this would mean the anathemas are wrong, too, dummy,

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and that would mean that Ephesis is wrong not just

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in the condemnation of Nestorius, but in the canons and

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the anathemas that all condemned the multiple errors of Nestorius,

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including arguments about the Eucharist. So he doesn't even know

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how dumb this admission is. But it actually shows you

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that in the Roman got the position it doesn't even

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matter what the councils teach. Literally, in fact, they're now saying,

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we don't even care if you were condemned as a

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heretic for centuries palam moss mark of emphasis. Uh, you know,

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all these guys, Photius, they're all saints now you're all

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You're all good. Now, it's all cool, even though cantade

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Domino says that if you die, even as a martyr

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outside the Roman Catholic communion, you are damned. No, it's

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all good. No, it's cool. Uh let's see us n

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us got on mute man n s n hell yeah good?

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What's up?

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Speaker 9: You just want to orthodox?

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Speaker 10: I just wanted to ask about like coincidence and accidents.

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Speaker 9: How do you how do we view that, like is there.

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Speaker 10: Some coincidence in the world or is all everything and

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led by God?

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Speaker 1: I think these are just human vantage point terms that

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we use. So strictly speaking, ultimately know everything is under

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divine providence, but from the human manage point, yeah, we

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can talk about things that are a coincidence or are accidental.

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Anti heresy. Now, before we go to anti heresy, I

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want you to understand that these are the canons of Ephesus,

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and they're I'm excuse me there. These are the Anathemas

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of Ephesus, and the twelve Anathemas have always been cited

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as authoritative documents that disprove Nestorianism and all the variant

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sects and groups like Calvinists that become that have a

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version of Astorianism. So you understand how stupid that guy's

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position is, whether it's Achan or whether it's Voice of Reason.

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That if you say that the council aired in the

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combination of Nastorias, that also means all the anathemas of

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cyril at Ephesis that Ephesus accepted are also wrong. That's

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how dumb this position is. I just keep ranting on

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this because I can't believe anyone be so stupid as

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to believe this or follow this these people, like it's

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kind of baffling to me. Honestly, I'm not trying to

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be I'm not trying to be mean. It's just like

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that should tell you right there that Rome and at

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least in terms of its pap apologists like Achan and

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Voice of Reason don't care what the ecumenical councils teach.

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When did Rome ever actually care? I mean, except the

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first thousand years maybe they did when they were pretty

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much faithful, or they began to deviate even before ten

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fifty four. Like I mean, they're just sitting there saying, yeah,

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ephesis is wrong. Uh, and we have revised the history

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now and Nestorius is cool, So we can do the

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you know, uh liturgy of Adi and Maria or whatever,

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because it's in the store. We can have we can

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honor Patriarch Nestorius to the Roman Kelly Church. That alone

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to tell you that the Roman Kelly Church is an

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apostate institution. I don't know what else if that doesn't

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tell you, like like why is it hard for these people?

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It's a delusion, That's why. What's up man? Anti? What's

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up on you?

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Speaker 11: It was something's going on, Jake.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Yeah, I just probably had a couple of that's

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probably had one to have a discussion maybe on the geopolitics.

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Speaker 2: Of it all.

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Speaker 9: Okay about how maybe.

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Speaker 7: You could consider probably laughable to you. But the Roman

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Catholic Church maybe like an agency of God.

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Speaker 1: An agency of God, what do you mean, like.

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Speaker 7: Uh, an agency as a way of spreading the Gospel

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through means of peace across the world.

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Speaker 1: So God wanted Rome to become a quest to rock

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as Dick Tatus pope and when I'm sunked them to say.

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Speaker 12: No as as in a sense that like for instance,

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like maybe with the Jim Yake and with him like

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dismissing the claims of the Angel of Yahweh being Jesus

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and whatnot, Like maybe those claims were specifically left out

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not too I guess kind of infuriate the Jews at

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the time when these debates were happening, because they like,

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you're pretty much condemning their whole belief to begin with,

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when you're trying to to educate these people that everything

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that they did believe prior.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how would that have anything to do

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with Rome being when you're agents coming up.

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Speaker 7: With his dumb discussions choosing to and raising these people.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't get it, man, I'm sorry, I

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don't know. I just I don't understand what the arg

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is A wolf? What's up? I mean, the Roman is

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definitely an agency. It's like the older the world's oldest

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intelligence agency. A wolf. You got on me, man? What's up?

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Speaker 9: Hey?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 13: Man?

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Speaker 9: I had a question about geopolitics.

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Speaker 11: Sure, if you worry about a lot of.

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Speaker 13: Protestants are invested in nation Israel and if something was

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to happen to Israel, like if a Nuq went all

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for something or they got their butt kicked or something.

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I mean, it seems like a lot of them might

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do away their Bibles because they are so into this

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prophecy stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well they're into they're into false, you know, dispensationalist interpretations

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of prophecies, but they're not actually into quote, real prophecy.

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But yeah, I agree with you. I think that dispensational

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premillennial zionism. We actually spent the last two weeks on

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that topic, so I went heavy on that for days.

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I mean we debated that goofball and prior to that, Jim,

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Bob and Paush and I did a four hour breakdown

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of the heresies of Christian millennialists, dispensational and Zionism. I mean,

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it's it's really dumb. I mean, basically, you've never read

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Galatians three and four in Hebrews. I mean, it shouldn't

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be that difficult. But I went again, well, we'll save

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the geopolitical stuff if somebody else brings up another gyopolitical question.

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But I appreciate your question. That was good. Heisenberg was something, Oh,

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I remember, I was going to say, it's like we

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said last night, right, So I tried to tweet at Candace.

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I'm sure she's not going to see it. But between

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the Candace Jordan Peterson debates, I mean, do Jack Pasobiac

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and Candace and the Catholics not realize is that the

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thing they're fighting for Rome already came to this. Now.

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I was in Rome during the publication, so let me

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let me rephrase that I converted to Rome right when

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they published the two thousand and three document Covenant and

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Mission right. And so a lot of the trad cats

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and the new converts are well meaning, and all they

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want to go, you know, to battle against the subversion

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of Rome and all this stuff. They don't realize that

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Rome is already capitulated to the thing they're fighting. And

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one example of this that is still out there, it's

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the US Conference capt Catholic Bishop's website right here. And

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this is precisely why Francis and John Paul and all

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of these Vatican two popes have said we should not

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have a mission to proselytize and convert Jews. Their document

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literally says right here, it follows that since there's a

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dual covenant for Jews, Jews should not be converted. There

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should be no mission to Jews. They have their own mission. Likewise,

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Jews don't care about converting Christians Hello, did anyone read

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Contante Domino, the Roman Calli Church. Cantante Domino says, Jews,

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Pagans and heretics cannot be saved unless they convert to

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the Roman faith.

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Speaker 3: Some people, by the way, we say that the Orthodox

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failed to evangelize sufficiently, denied as a great commission because

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we didn't have enough colonialism.

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Speaker 2: You know, it is a literacy, okay, Jews, no other problem.

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Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, if you think rat Singer

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is some sort of like trad Bastion, no, I've read Rats.

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I read like six of his books, and in many

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religions one covenant rat Singer basically affirms at the same

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point here. So no, they are very dubious and wishy washy.

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And yes, it's true that there were Jewish influences on

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the two documents. It's very famous and well known.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: One of the writers of Look magazine wrote an entire

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article about the Jewish influence at Vatican two, particularly in

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Nostro Tate and Dignitatis Humane. Hence why nosro Tate says

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basically what you have here, It's all good, dude, no

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reason to try to fight over this stuff. Oh yeah,

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so why do we have all these martyrs for all

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these years when we could have just all been saved

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in our false religions. Yeah again, but to Candace and

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to Soback and all these people, the trads like you're

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your Vatican has already like subtled this issue. They've they've

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chosen to they don't do the Gospel anymore. Okay, they don't.

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They're not into that. They're into a humanism dialogue and

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whatever crazy world religion is emerging, and it's not just

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reflections on conant emission. This note infallible document doesn't matter

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because it's produced by the Catholic Conference and bishops. And

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as we pointed out, I just I just found Canon

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seven fifty two. Cannon seven fifty two says you submit

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to all of the teaching, not just to the Pope

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but also the bishops, even if it's just ordinary teaching

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with facility. So you don't get to reject it. If

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they put out a document and Rome never rescinded this

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or rejected this, you don't get to say that's not

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tree teaching. I don't follow that. You don't get that right.

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What does Canon seven fifty two say, Let's read it again,

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because this is what Roman Catholic Church law says, it's

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just one. It's another of these. I don't even know

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this one until like a month ago. Now I have

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a list of five places in Catholic dogmatic theology and

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people teaching where you do not get to ordinary teaching,

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and this is yet another one ken in seven fifty two.

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Now this is talking about things that are not under

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quote divine faith. Now we don't exactly have a clear

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list of what that is. But let's say for the

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sake of argument, that you don't want to believe Covenant

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and mission, or Francis is teaching on the death penalty

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or whatever. Although not an assent of faith, a religious

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submission of intellect and will must be given to the

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doctrine of the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops

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when it declares concerning faith or morals, when they exercise

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authentic magisterium, even if they don't intend to proclaim it

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as a definitive bat Therefore the Christian fable or to

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take care to avoid those things which do not agree

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with it. In other words, if Francis says it's time

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to not support the death penalty, even if you think

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that that's not true, and even if by the same

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for the sake of argument, say it's not part of

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difine quote faith, which is super vague. Does that say

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you get the right to reject it? No, says you

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do know how they're right? Why? Because no one judges

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the first sea. It doesn't matter what you think. It's

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not a Protestant religion. You don't get to pick and choose.

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Data List becomes a member. What's up man? Soyhoon Park

486
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becomes a member. Thank you Theosis five dollars talk about

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AI art. Some of your apologetics are already on some

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Brazilian soccer players mouths as promised. Oh you mean you're

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gonna make AI Brazilian Brazilian soccer players that are AI

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talking about some of my arguments. That's pretty funny. Yeah,

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I can't. Yeah, feel free to do that. I don't care.

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That's funny. Mark Macho elbow five dollars have a great lint.

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Thank you, man. I appreciate that, you too, big time

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five dollars. Let's effing go, Please, Lord have mercy on me.

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A sinner. Marcus Antonio gives twenty memberships. Wow, thanks man.

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James David David James flood gifted a membership Jordain ten dollars.

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Glad to see patient Jay today. I'm trying to be

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I mean, this is the Year of Love. I'm trying

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to you know, cost the passions. I don't. I've not

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been totally successful obviously this year. I have gotten angry sometimes,

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but I will say that, you know, James White is

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a newna Storias. James White is a mega heresy arc.

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He has been a major push repiracy for thirty plus years.

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So now I don't feel bad about making fun of him.

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Cards two dollars Jay's Year of Love, Well, that's what

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we're shooting for Heroes Workship. I'd us thank you for

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the stream. I like this this I command, Sir Penttory. Yeah.

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I got my Cobra Commander shirt on today because I

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was feeling kind of sassy. Jacob Croker two dollars. Scripture

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and falluably teaches that there's oral tradition, absolutely, and not

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just in Second Thessalonians. It's also anytime Paul talks about

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preaching the Word of God passing on the traditions. He

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says that to the Corinthians, straight white male five dollars,

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have you seen the beat between Andrew Wilson and Apostate Profit.

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I saw a couple exchanges, and you know, I'm friendly

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to both of those people. I'm not exactly sure what

517
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first popped off their disagreement. I don't know if maybe

518
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they were trying to set up a debate. I think

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some of that happened prior to a postate profit becoming

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a catechumen And by the way, I meant to comment

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on that, I forgot to very happy for AP. I

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love AP and wish him well in his entrance into

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the Catechumenate. We had a lot of DM discussions back

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and forth. But I don't know what their disagreement is

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if it's over Israeli geopolitical stuff. But I do think

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that AP will have to come off of some of

527
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the Zionism to be consistent with Orthodox Christianity. But I

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think in time all that stuff gets ironed out because

529
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we all bring baggage to, you know, our conversion, so

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it takes time to flush a lot of that stuff out,

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whether it's like Latinizing or Calvinism or whatever. But ideally,

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I mean, I think AP and maybe AP and Andrews

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should just have a debate. I mean I think that'd

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be a really good debate. But no, I don't. I

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don't have any beef with either of them, eh, new member.

536
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I did unfollow AP, not because I don't like AP.

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The only reason unfollowed him was that I so that

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I wouldn't get triggered by any of the geopolitical postings,

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so that we wouldn't have an argument, so that he

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could get into being a catechimic. That's why. So it

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has nothing to do with like, oh I don't like

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him anymore. We were actually trying to set up a

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geopolitical debate, but me and him. But I don't. I

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just don't know if we're ever going to be able

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to figure out the parameters of that. Steve mcleven, five dollars,

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thank you so much. And the Lord can't be Jesus

547
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because there's no red text. That's pretty funny, but I

548
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wouldn't be surprised if a Protestant actually said that KB

549
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production five dollars. You always avoid confessional Lutheranism. It's like

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you're afraid that we will deconstruct your false faith like

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we did with Rome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think we've had two Lutherans ever call in. I'm

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so afraid of confessional Lutheranism that I'm giving you the

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link right here to call in. And by the way,

556
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anytime I put Protestant in the title that includes Lutherans, goober.

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So you think because I don't list I don't list Methodists,

558
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does that mean I'm scared of Methodists. Oh, he didn't

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list Quaker in his description. He's terrified at Quaker apologetics.

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Give me a freaking break, dude. In fact, I'm asking

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you right now please do come and bring your Lutheran

562
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Manichean arguments. I've read six of Luther's books, so I'm

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more than ready to debate Luther.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: What's funny is that when Lutherans come to debate, they

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don't want to talk about Luther. Well that's what Luther said,

567
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but uh, you know the Heidelberg cat because it was

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not Luther. We have a very we don't agree with

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Luther on everything. Okay, so you're heresy arc and creator

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of your sact you don't want to even defend them.

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It's like the Calvinists, like you start going into Cavin

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Calvin's own positions. Well, as a Calvinist, I don't have

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to accept COVID's positions. O'Brien's kayak ten dollars. And by

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the way, if KB Productions doesn't want to debate, then

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he's wasting everyone's time. Ignacio Lrios two dollars. He says

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he's going to go to Apostolic City College. Well that's uh,

577
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if you do, you might want to form a study

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group with a misfit patriot because he's also going to

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the Apostolic College. All right, I'm sorry, we got to

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get back over here to debates Heisenberg. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 9: Was o j?

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Speaker 4: I you doing good?

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 14: So I've been an Orthodox inquiry for for a couple

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of months now, and I've been watching your videos for

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a couple of months now, and I had a question.

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Speaker 9: So I saw in.

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Speaker 14: One of your one of the open forums the other

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day you said that like the Greek and the Russian

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churches are not in communion.

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Speaker 9: Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a canonical removal of communion, which is the

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stages or steps before excommunication. So it's not an official excommunication,

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it's a stage of canonical discipline. So like, by the way,

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this has happened many times in church history.

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Speaker 14: Okay, so my question is what stuff like that happens,

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Like does one church claim that the one true church

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and the other one like claims they're not I mean

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the other one, like are they both?

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Speaker 1: Well, anytime, anytime there's a schism, both sides are going

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to claim that the true church and other ones on

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the right. So of course, but it doesn't it doesn't

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require the papacy because if you look at the recent

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Macedonian schism that was recently held, I think it was

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like an eighty ninety year schism, it was recently healed

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without the papacy.

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Speaker 9: So all right, so like what.

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Speaker 14: In terms of like which church, do you have any

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like biases towards one like the Russian Church or the it.

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Speaker 1: Was not a bias. I've talked many times about the

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corruption and subversion of the ep.

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Speaker 14: Okay, So my my, my concern that's drawn like I'm

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drawing from that is that like what like isn't that

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kind of like a little bit of like a relativist

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like relative relativistic type of like way of thinking where

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like each church just thinks are the they're the true

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church and they just they break up.

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Speaker 1: No, And I mean that's like saying I mean the

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same that would apply. That would mean that the Roman

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Catholic position is relativistic because when the East schism from

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the from the West, they both claim to be the

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true church. So it's just relative. No, that's a fallacy.

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So the fact that people disagree has nothing to do

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with which positions true or false, not relativism because they

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disagree one of them is right and one of them

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is wrong.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I got you, I got you.

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Speaker 14: So, like, is there other Orthodox churches that are in schism?

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Speaker 9: Like, like, currently it's.

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Speaker 1: Not schism yet because it's a removal communion. Schism would

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be when there's a formal excommunication. And yes, if that

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happened that it would split the patriarchs then split the church. Correct,

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But that's how that happened in ten fifty four.

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Speaker 9: Okay, So you recommend the Russian Church.

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Speaker 1: Got it. It's not just the Russian Church. I mean

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there are many Orthodox churches that are fine because they're

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canonical and we would like it. So like in the

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Russian Orthodox Church, we would only not accept the person

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from the Greek Church after there was an excommunication. Prior

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to that, anybody who was brought into the church through

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the Greeks they can come and commune at a Russian church, right,

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We are not, however, allowed to commune well in some

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situations unless there's like a permission, like I'm not supposed

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to commune and go urts churches. So all right.

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Speaker 9: I had also another question about.

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Speaker 2: What I'm in.

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Speaker 14: I'm like an undergrad and like university, and in my

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philosophy class they talked about the youth fro dilemma.

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Speaker 9: You probably talked about.

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Speaker 1: It many times. We've already We've already addressed it many times.

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I'm not gonna do that again today. Dang, We've got

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a lot of people here. Uh calab what's up?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 9: Hey? Can I add to that?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Hey, j Just one second pill.

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Speaker 11: Uh pre pre sanctified because we have a parishioner the

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corruption and she came out of road Corps.

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Speaker 1: So let's be clear.

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Speaker 11: Neither the EP or Moscow are saying the others not

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the true church, right, not yet not yet clearly ones

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right and one's wrong. So they're both part of the

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church because we don't define the church in terms of

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one bishop like the papacy would.

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Speaker 9: And so the fact that.

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Speaker 11: They're in communion, the fact that there's an administer I

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guess we could call technically an administer an administrative schism

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or an administray. Either not in communion doesn't mean that

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either ones not the true church.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just we don't runan Catholics to just

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look at the Malician schism for an analogous type of situation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Second, because I I was doubting myself, and then I

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asked Father Russell, and he said I was correct about that.

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There's nothing technically to prevent parishioners who go to a

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roal court attending to an EP. I know that that's

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kind of pushed among ro corps and real corps priests,

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but now there might be if you did that, there

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might be practical implications that your own parish if you're

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a tiding member. But there is no canons or anything

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like that says, first of all, you're not baptized into

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a jurisdiction. You're baptized in the Orthodox Church. Later you're free.

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They're not bound to a jurisdiction. And Father made a joke.

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He pointed and he says, see are cuffs. It means

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we're we're cuffed and bound to a jurisdiction. And I'm like, oh,

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that's true. So technically, although there might be practical concerns,

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there's nothing dogmatic, canonical that prevents MP somebody attending MP

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parish or rocor going to eat, a go work or EP.

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I just wanted to make that clear.

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Speaker 1: Can you handle this for a second. I got to

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run to the little girls room.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, But like I said, you know, you could be

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under your priest, and you're part of a community, a parish,

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a tiding members, et cetera. Certainly the priests could say, well, look, hey,

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you're disobeying disobeying what I said in the you know,

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I mean, I guess technically even withhold communions, so there

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could be practical implications, but there's no dogmatic, economical, or

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historical issue because people are not baptized into a jurisdiction.

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And people really get this confused. People was like, well,

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I'm real Corps, I'm antio Antiochi, and I'm Greek or

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something like.

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Speaker 9: That, but you're late.

703
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

704
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Speaker 11: Everybody thinks in terms of jurisdiction. I attend to ro

705
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Corp parish, but doesn't mean that your or courts do

706
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,480
you see how kind of divisive and kind of wrong head?

707
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:04,559
And I brought this up after precinctified at the little

708
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:08,199
meal that we had, and I'm like, I swear I've

709
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met people who I'll just pick on the Antiochians who

710
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,079
are part of the Antiochian parish, who are traveling, going

711
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:18,480
I need to find an Antiochian church to go to. Well,

712
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:23,440
why because I'm Antiochio. I'm like you, does your driver's

713
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:26,480
license say that your antio Like this is so weird?

714
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,840
If you're traveling, why don't you go travel and check

715
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,639
out another jurisdiction, see what their parish is like, see

716
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,239
what those people were like. And the problem is everybody thinks,

717
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,760
lady thinks in terms of what jurisdiction should I join.

718
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,960
I'm this jurisdiction. I think Father Russell even made a

719
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:51,800
joke about the Greeks that, well, do you thinking Jurisdictionally?

720
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,960
Guy says, I'm Greek. He's like, well, you're born in

721
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,320
where you born on the United States. But I go

722
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,440
to a Greek parish. So he says, do you carry

723
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,840
a Greek dirt and your briefcase?

724
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Speaker 2: And he says no.

725
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:14,519
Speaker 11: He says, well keep the dirty out of the church. Anyways,

726
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:15,599
I'm trying.

727
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 9: To give you a.

728
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Speaker 11: Healthy kind of mindset as an approaching Orthodoxy. If your lady,

729
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:27,599
don't think jurisdictionally, think locally. I have a local parish

730
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:31,599
that I go to, happens to be Rope or Serbian, Antioch,

731
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:34,760
and et cetera. But you are not tied. In fact,

732
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even minor clergy readers and subdeacons are not jurisdictionally tied.

733
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Speaker 2: They're free.

734
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Speaker 11: Only the proof to it the doc Uh, the presbytery

735
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:52,719
and the bishop are tied, and they're tied to a

736
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jurisdiction because they're tied to the bishop.

737
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Speaker 1: That was Thank you, Yeah, appreciate that. And guys, remember

738
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,320
not not fussing out that guy. But it's it's not

739
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,800
you know, Catechuman question night. So please, if you have

740
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,760
Catechuman questions, take those to your catechists. Uh, it's debate

741
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,840
topics as listed. What's up at kill?

742
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:22,599
Speaker 2: Hi Jay?

743
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 6: This might fit in the category of geopolitical JQ kind

744
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,119
of thing.

745
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: Uh so I'm on YouTube. I'm on YouTube. So what

746
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,719
we can't get.

747
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,599
Speaker 9: Super Okay, okay, cool. It's more has to do.

748
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:43,159
Speaker 6: With you know, when when Moses says in Deuteronomy, uh,

749
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,480
you know, you shall be the head, not the tail, Taiale,

750
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:49,320
not the head, depending on you know, their their obedience

751
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,880
to the Covenant. Wouldn't it be that the Jews uh

752
00:45:56,159 --> 00:46:01,360
will never achieve their vision of global dominance as at

753
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:08,199
least as I understand it, because of that mosaic covenantal promise, Like,

754
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,760
is there ever a termination to that promise?

755
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: Yes?

756
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:14,679
Speaker 4: I know.

757
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: So you know Hoaseiah talks about a divorce, God giving

758
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,920
Israel a bill of divorce. The Book of Revelation is

759
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the sanctions and the filling out of that divorce covenant

760
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,000
and the marriage of the new bride, which is the Church.

761
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,079
Now does that mean that God failed in his promises

762
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,159
to the Jews? Well, most of the church fathers believe

763
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that Romans eleven predicts some future conversion of the Jews.

764
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So when that will be and how that will be,

765
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:42,760
I don't have all the details of that, but it's

766
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,280
pretty standard amongst the church fathers. But the covenant promises

767
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:50,000
that you mentioned in Deuteronomy or in Leviticus, if you

768
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:54,360
look at Revelation two and three, Jesus applies the covenant

769
00:46:54,639 --> 00:47:01,840
promises and sanctions to the church. Aimes, what's up? So

770
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,719
it's not Cateyquemen Knight guys, please, have you got your

771
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,239
what can I eat during the fast? What about the EP?

772
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,960
Like that's a kind of a geopolitical one. That's fine,

773
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,159
but it's not catakuemen Knight. What's up man?

774
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:18,599
Speaker 11: Hello, long time listener, first time caller.

775
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Speaker 15: This may not exactly I just now heard that you

776
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,000
wanted to only kind of stick within a certain handful

777
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of topics, so.

778
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Speaker 11: This might not exactly be within.

779
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,199
Speaker 1: So just what's the topic.

780
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Speaker 15: I'm really intrigued by the transcendental argument for God, mostly

781
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because I've seen it being very effective with you and

782
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,760
even someone who I don't even understand it fully, just

783
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,360
calling people out on their presuppositions the way the transidental

784
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,079
argument seems to let itself very well too.

785
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I meant I've put atheists in there, so

786
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:43,960
that's fine.

787
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 11: Oh okay, awesome.

788
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Speaker 9: So the question, and look, I've watched a lot.

789
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Speaker 11: Of the videos you've made about it. I've tried to

790
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,800
understand it. I'm a little bit of a slow boy.

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Speaker 15: But basically, what I'm gonna say is what exactly It's

792
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,239
a prefold question. First, what exactly is a justification for

793
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your for knowledge? In that two is the Christian and

794
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,599
possibly you may even take a step for the Orthodox

795
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,599
idea of God the only possible justification, and if.

796
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Speaker 1: So, why the only consistent justification. Justification refers to giving

797
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Usually it's justified true belief in classical epistemology. Sometimes you

798
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can add a fourth criterion of the getia problem, but

799
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,679
we don't really have to go into all that. It

800
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just basically means giving coherent good reasons for why you

801
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:38,039
believe what you believe.

802
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Speaker 11: Okay, And so why is it that the Christian God is?

803
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,719
Why is it only the Christian God?

804
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Speaker 2: And do you take it so far?

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Speaker 11: Say you only the Orthodox God?

806
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,079
Speaker 1: No, only the Orthodox conception of the trinity is the

807
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coherent one. So, I mean other Calvinists might be able

808
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,039
to take the argument so far, but they're not going

809
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to be very consistent because they have defect of Trinitarian theology.

810
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,280
So ultimately, only the Orthodox conception in worldview, it's not

811
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,400
just our quote idea of God, it's really the entire

812
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Christian worldview. So Christian metaphysics, Christian ethics, and a Christian

813
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,400
account of knowledge and revelatory theism are really the only

814
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:25,320
things that give a consistent, coherent, meaningful, explanatory power justification

815
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:28,039
and so just correct me if.

816
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: I understand it.

817
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Speaker 11: Probably is that A way I kind of understand, and.

818
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Speaker 15: Maybe this is more simplistic, is that in order for

819
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,519
anything to make sense, to have knowledge, you have to

820
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have something unchanging and constant, just otherwise.

821
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Speaker 1: You're just kind of like it's not just having It's

822
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not just like justification is not just concerned with having knowledge,

823
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because everyone has knowledge, even if they've never heard of

824
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:53,719
philosophy or epistemology. But it's a question of making sense

825
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,800
of how and why we have knowledge and the good

826
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,360
reasons to believe in our beliefs.

827
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Speaker 15: Okay, do you have any like kind of further reading

828
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you could point me too, because I don't know that

829
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much about philosophy.

830
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Speaker 11: I've only made able to take one philosophy class. I

831
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want to do more.

832
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Speaker 1: Yeah, fathered again, and I says entire classes that you

833
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:12,679
can take. I have a philosophy class you can take.

834
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Speaker 11: Okay, that and that's okay, awesome, thank you.

835
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Speaker 4: On his I'm going on his channel.

836
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Speaker 11: Probably, yeah, I'm probably I'm building an epistemology that will

837
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probably launch in a week. That's university full university course,

838
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interactive software, graded.

839
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Speaker 16: Free book, a free office hour, sixteen weeks at free

840
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:47,400
office hours each week, and are of you yeah, and uh, anyways, yeah,

841
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I do.

842
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Speaker 11: I argue that there's only he can make it really easy.

843
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:58,079
There's only three possible positions. Revelatory is an autonomous epistemology

844
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,920
which you can still believe in them, and and accidentalism.

845
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,960
So the beliefs that there isn't a God and if

846
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:10,840
it isn't, if there's not intention behind the world, that

847
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,079
God created all these things and accounts for it, then

848
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:19,000
it's the obscaty accidentalism. We can rule out autonomous pistemology

849
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:24,079
because autoistemology says, well, it's possible that God doesn't exist,

850
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,360
we just have to prove it.

851
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 2: So once I show that.

852
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 11: Accidentalism self defeeding impossible, then it must be intentionalism.

853
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: So with the.

854
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 11: Results in a contradiction, natural theology does. It's saying the

855
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:55,880
necessary condition is both possible and not possible, which is

856
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,880
a contradiction. So you can rule out autonomous epistemology and

857
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:04,119
natural theology you rule out accidentalism. So what's left is

858
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:09,840
revelatory theism. Well, how many religions claim to be revelatory

859
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,920
theism And I don't mean personally revealed, but just a

860
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,719
standard lexical definition of what revealed means what would be

861
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,599
hidden or not seen to be made publicly available. And

862
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,159
so this is why it's part of the paradigm that

863
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,280
it's historical. It isn't a made up thing in my head,

864
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,159
copy paste or something like that. The fact of the

865
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:42,559
matter is we start with the data, Well, there were

866
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,920
these people, there are these things, There are these things.

867
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:48,800
Now is it true and these things I mean orthodoxy?

868
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,519
And then we look at well, the others can't. What

869
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:59,079
about the other revelatory thesm. Well, it either doesn't match history,

870
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,679
it's incoh aren't it can account for these things? Or

871
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,360
it makes knowledge impossible. So all the and there's about six,

872
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,800
maybe other religions that claim to be revelatory that can

873
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,400
be disqualified. So what does orthodoxy do Not only does

874
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,639
have a positive account of why and how all these

875
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,400
things can be known and explain the world and satisfy

876
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,679
all the necessary conditions as possibility knowledge, it also claims

877
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,960
to be uniquely so it excludes all others, and the

878
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:34,719
ones that you consider fail as well. So that's why

879
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:41,440
tag actually only proves orthodoxy if it's not orthodoxy it's nothing.

880
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:46,400
That's the short, the short of it, the easy short

881
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,239
of it. I mean, I could get much more complicated,

882
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,840
but that's the summary of it.

883
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,039
Speaker 1: Squeety, what's up man? By the way, And when that

884
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,480
first guy was on, when I was talking about doing

885
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a miss in Innergaya, I meant to pull up the

886
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blue letter page here which has all the New Testament

887
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,639
references to innergay and I forgot to do it, but

888
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here it is for those that are wondering. There's pretty

889
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,760
expansive uses of the energies in the New Testament in

890
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,760
terms of the Greek. And I'll put this in the

891
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link for those that want to take a look and

892
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:25,840
see that. Like, because he's concerned with whether we're being biblical, yeah,

893
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,079
you want to be a biblical person as a Protestant,

894
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:34,679
will explain all the energy references because as far as

895
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:40,320
I know, Protestants have absolutely no conception of divine energies. Squeaty,

896
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:41,519
you got a mute?

897
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:46,079
Speaker 2: Oh can you hear me?

898
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 9: Yeah?

899
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: I had a question about.

900
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,119
Speaker 9: I had a question about.

901
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 17: Motial collapse and about inertrinitarian relationships. Okay, so for the

902
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,599
Innerturnitearian relationships, what exactly separates the.

903
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 9: Father, the Sun.

904
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Speaker 1: The hyposthetic properties.

905
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,519
Speaker 9: Are those properties like.

906
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Speaker 17: So, I think for orthodox it would be the logi,

907
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,360
like exemplifiable properties.

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00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,199
Speaker 1: Would be logi have nothing to do with hypostychic properties. No,

909
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,280
not at where you get that?

910
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:22,159
Speaker 9: So normal instantiated properties are you using?

911
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Are you googling and using chagpt?

912
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Speaker 9: I don't think so.

913
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Speaker 1: Well, I heard you typing, so I wasn't typing.

914
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Speaker 9: I was playing with a candle. Well, we're gonna need

915
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,079
to see your hands.

916
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:39,159
Speaker 1: So the logi are the divine thoughts?

917
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:39,599
Speaker 4: Thought?

918
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Speaker 1: Wells there that they have nothing to do with differentiating

919
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,360
the persons.

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00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:49,199
Speaker 17: Yeah, when we have like normal properties like the property

921
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:51,960
of browness or something like that, aren't those from the logi?

922
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Speaker 1: Hyposthetic properties in the Church Fathers has nothing to do

923
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:02,360
with modern analytic philosophy of properties. Okay, the property of

924
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,760
the Father, according to the Kappadocians and the Second Achemical Council,

925
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,639
is to be the sole sol e cause that's his

926
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hypostetic property. Fount ark anarcha cause source.

927
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, how is that? That seems to be a relation

928
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of opposition.

929
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: Where in the property.

930
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:26,119
Speaker 9: This is?

931
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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. Even Congar in his Essay admits that

932
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,760
you can't find relations of opposition until you get to

933
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,000
somebody like perhaps Augustine, who anticipates it, and then it's

934
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:43,280
fleshed out by a Quinas. There's no oppositions in a triad.

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Oppositions relate to a diad. So the fact that you

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think a hypothetic property like cause is in any way

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an opposition just so shows that you're using the toomis

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Aristotelian metaphysical character characterizations of creature. That's not what the

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Cappadocians are doing when they're talking about the Father as cause.

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So it's not cause as a relation of opposition or

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something opposed, like scholastic metaphysics defines cause or fount or

942
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archae or source. In fact, it's the Aryan argument when

943
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you do that. And you guys aren't even aware that

944
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Athanasius rebukes thinking that creaturely causation is what's going on

945
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in the triad? Do you not know that the Cappadocians

946
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say that the Father is the sole cause.

947
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Speaker 17: Aside from Gregory of Nissa, I don't know.

948
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Speaker 2: Who else says that.

949
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Speaker 1: Gregory Nazi Azis and Gregory and Basil, they all say

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that it's their Dictum.

951
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Speaker 2: Okay, God shout.

952
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Speaker 9: When you say something's a sole cause.

953
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Speaker 1: No, they say he's the sole cause, not me.

954
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Speaker 9: When they say he's a sole cause. That seems to

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be a relational property.

956
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Speaker 1: About what distinguishes a personal relations are not relations of opposition?

957
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Speaker 17: Okay, So what separates the father and the son is

958
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relational but not a relation of opposition.

959
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Speaker 1: Correct, it's a relation of origin. If you read the Cappadocians,

960
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they will say that is a relation of origin. Hence,

961
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the hypostatic property of the son is to be generated,

962
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Basil says, the hyposthetic property of the spirit is to

963
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be spirrated. Quoting Basil again, for you, what the distinction is,

964
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we do not know, but that there is a distinction,

965
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we do know. That's the Cappa Docean teaching. That's what

966
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the Second Ecumenical Council dogmatizes. And etomas would do well

967
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to go read them.

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Speaker 9: Okay, cool, are we can? I can I ask about motoclops?

969
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Speaker 2: Sure?

970
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Speaker 9: So what exactly is the force of.

971
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Speaker 17: Motoclops that creation is necessary or that God necessarily wills creation?

972
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Speaker 1: If the will of God is isomorphically identical to the

973
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essence of God, and if the of God or God

974
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is a necessary being, then every act that flows from

975
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the will of God is necessary, and thus creation is

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a necessary action, and so it removes free will. Likewise,

977
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if the divine ideas that are the patterns of the

978
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created order are synonymous and identical to the divine essence,

979
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then the divine ideas are also necessary in regard to

980
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their created types, and so creation is necessary also from

981
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that vantage.

982
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Speaker 17: Point, I see, Yeah, what about what if somebody says

983
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they're compatibile, is that it seems like that.

984
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Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with addressing the objection.

985
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Speaker 17: Creation could be necessary because it's the good thing for

986
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God to do, and God might.

987
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Speaker 1: Do that in every possile. Then you then, I mean,

988
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then you're already a trinitarian heretic because you've denied that

989
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:51,360
God has free will.

990
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Speaker 18: Yeah, well that's why I run it.

991
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Speaker 9: The compatible is some thing, because well, then.

992
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Speaker 1: It's not necessary. How is it necessary? How does God

993
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:01,679
free will? Creation is necessary?

994
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Speaker 17: So certain semi compatilscy that you can have free will

995
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without being able to do otherwise.

996
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Speaker 1: But you're missing the point of how the Patristic definition

997
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:17,760
of free will is already determined via Christology, which reflects

998
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,440
trenentary theology to be a choice of multiple options. So

999
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:25,920
you're using again some modern analytical thing that has nothing

1000
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to do with the patristic definition of what free will

1001
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:32,039
is from Christology. Have you ever thought about maybe it's

1002
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:35,039
a he runaway exactly. So this is what we get

1003
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,519
with the Roman Catholics is they come in, they think

1004
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:39,719
they know everything. They want to repeat all the stuff

1005
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:43,880
that I try to explain to them, This is all

1006
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,760
the Wagner stuff. And then when I start explaining it,

1007
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:49,920
when I go into why a relation is not a

1008
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,119
relation of opposition, and I talk about Kongar's essay from

1009
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:56,599
the Roman Catholics about it where he admits everything I said,

1010
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,199
and then I talk about Loski's essay, which is about

1011
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,760
everything that I said. They run away because they don't

1012
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:11,320
want to actually deal with the topic. So we're opening

1013
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:17,679
it up to people who want to discuss the listed

1014
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:27,280
topics that include libertarianism, feminism, Romcantholism, protestantsm even Islam, Atheism, dismisationalism, Zionism,

1015
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:32,039
Hebrew Roots, Gnostics, Mormons, blacky Euros, are Lights, geopolitical stuff,

1016
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:37,159
religious engineering. Okay, Joe, what's up?

1017
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 9: Jay?

1018
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: And I engaged in twenty minutes of explaining stuff to

1019
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:48,960
that guy and then he just leaves.

1020
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 4: So it's like.

1021
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,239
Speaker 7: I just wanted to say a couple of things before

1022
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,000
asking my question. Firstly, like you're completely right either day

1023
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,880
on how Calvinists think they're intellectually like superior, and you

1024
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,000
just look for Deem Zimmer's video. He does like a

1025
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:12,400
body of Christ his church, and he puts the Calvinists

1026
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,360
obviously has the head intellectrical superior beings, you know, a

1027
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,239
pretty death in party pants of the Christian world. So yeah,

1028
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,199
and I wanted to also say something to clear up

1029
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:24,599
with ap.

1030
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Speaker 9: I watched his live stream.

1031
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: It was like last night.

1032
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 7: Around your livestream as well, with the whole Canvas thing

1033
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:35,880
and all that stuff. I was gonna ask my first

1034
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,000
question about him, but I realized he didn't. I realized

1035
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:41,119
your position on it, because that's super chat.

1036
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,199
Speaker 2: But one thing I wanted to clear up about him is.

1037
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Speaker 7: That his main hole argument with Canvas and all of

1038
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,400
them is the this new thing that came out with

1039
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Jordan and Peterson.

1040
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Speaker 11: And are there cool about.

1041
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: How I covered it all last night?

1042
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 11: Oh okay, sorry, alright, cool?

1043
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:05,719
Speaker 7: Well, MA, main question, it's a question, fast statement I

1044
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,480
am a Protestant, but other than more research, I've been

1045
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:11,480
in the world of like art and stuff like that.

1046
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:17,199
And the thing that I've always found annoying with definitely atheist.

1047
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 9: But now I've come to realize.

1048
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:23,679
Speaker 7: With Catholics apologetics and Protestant apologetics, and what I've seeing

1049
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:26,960
you do different is how they deconstruct things with self

1050
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:32,559
evident towardy things you know, like oh, that's evil because

1051
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:36,000
it's self evident when you go to Christology before that,

1052
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,760
which what I see is what they're doing is deconstructing

1053
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,960
evil instead of deconstructing you know, God and seeing the

1054
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,679
truth and God instead of seeking you know, God's wisdom.

1055
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And the main question I have I think that's very

1056
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:54,320
important about that is that the whole basis of the

1057
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,840
livestream you did eight months ago as well on Crisis Game,

1058
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because I know you did a live stream eight months

1059
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:01,599
ago about it as well, is that if you want

1060
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:07,239
to take over and evangelize a country with Christian.

1061
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 11: Values, is what you first have to do is take

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:10,320
over the.

1063
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 7: Art system and other parts of the system and also

1064
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:17,280
you know, live a christ Like life with your family, yourself,

1065
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,800
and your community and outwards. The art side is so

1066
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,800
important because that is the expression of the society. That's

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why they take it over.

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01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:26,519
Speaker 1: That's what you.

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01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 11: Express through the society.

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Speaker 9: And my main question with you on that expression of the.

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01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,159
Speaker 7: Society is how would you want to like Christians to

1072
01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:39,360
go about that expression. Is it like more like telling

1073
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,519
the Vego's stories of right and wrong? Or do you

1074
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,039
would you want to see Christians more involved in trying

1075
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:50,320
to evangelize in artistic realms of expressing.

1076
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,039
Speaker 11: Jesus through the arts.

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01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we should try to, you know, speak

1078
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,360
to the culture and attack the culture as well. If

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01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,960
you are not you know, if you're able. So yeah,

1080
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I mean definitely for those that are interested. For the

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01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:13,119
twentieth time, we've addressed the relations of opposition issue. Right

1082
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:17,800
here here is east Congar's massive essay admitting all the

1083
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,079
stuff that I talk about that the Greek fathers didn't

1084
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:23,400
teach relations of opposition. It's something born out of the

1085
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,639
Augustinian mindset and a model and fleshed out by Aquinas.

1086
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:32,519
That's Congar telling you what I said, and Wagner and

1087
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:36,000
these people that I don't he said, I read some

1088
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:40,480
of that. They don't care about reading and understanding what

1089
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,360
I was actually arguing. And then here's Lawski's famous essay

1090
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,039
talking about relations of opposition and how the Orthodox view

1091
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:51,639
is relations of origin, not relationship opposition. I've mentioned this

1092
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:52,760
probably ten times.

1093
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 2: Something you can see your shallow with this.

1094
01:05:55,559 --> 01:05:59,199
Speaker 3: For example, it's a recent article about Christ not being

1095
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:02,599
about the Angel of the Lord not being Christ.

1096
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:09,639
Speaker 2: It just starts with like Portuguese manualist Thomas from the

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seventeenth century.

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Speaker 4: And so.

1099
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: These things only make sense when you're already in their

1100
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,679
system exactly, and that's some things that's systematic, and.

1101
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,199
Speaker 3: Even even then their systems it's not as brilliant as

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01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:26,519
I think.

1103
01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, people should read con Guard's essay on the

1104
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:41,480
Augustinian approach to the Triad versus the Cappadocian and I'm sorry,

1105
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:45,519
but the Second Council did not affirm the Augustinian position.

1106
01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:49,360
It affirmed the Cappadocian position, and even Congar says the

1107
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,000
Greek position is intension with the Augustinian position. They're different positions.

1108
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,360
Well for people who disagree, So if you disagree, you

1109
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,639
go aheadline. If you are asking catechumen questions, I would

1110
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:02,280
ask that you please take that to your catechist we're

1111
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:12,480
not doing the Q and A today, Hey, Jay.

1112
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1113
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 19: So firstly, I hope that you converse and father and

1114
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:21,039
and I is are having a very blessed len. I've

1115
01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:26,239
got a question surrounding geopolitics, especially in the UK and

1116
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,719
just in the general West. So a few weeks ago

1117
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:36,159
King Charles invited some Mohammedans or Islamist.

1118
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 9: Or whatever you want to call them or Muslims to

1119
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:39,519
go and.

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Speaker 11: Celebrate the pagan.

1121
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 19: Festival Ramadan in Winter Palace or I think it was

1122
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,079
a palace, I can't remember.

1123
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Speaker 9: And I was just sort of wondering.

1124
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:55,239
Speaker 19: Why Islam is getting like forced on all of us

1125
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,840
now and pushed so heavily when their whole religion completely

1126
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,480
go against the ideologies that a lot of the secular

1127
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:06,320
Western governments are poding. I thought at first, you know,

1128
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and maybe it's because of quote unquote tolerance, but it's becoming.

1129
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:13,199
Speaker 1: No, it's a plan. It's a strategy. The Fabian socialist

1130
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wrote in the nineteen tens and twenties in the UK

1131
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,720
how they would use first Sufism and then Sunism to

1132
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:22,800
change the landscape of the UK and then change the

1133
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,319
landscape of Europe. It's a one hundred plus year old plan.

1134
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,039
Rabbis talk about it openly and say that Islam is

1135
01:08:29,119 --> 01:08:32,760
the broom of Israel. So I mean, on on on,

1136
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,720
it's not hard to figure out if you read the

1137
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,439
source material I've lectured. I'm not trying to be rude

1138
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,159
to you. I've done maybe ten talks on how Islam

1139
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:47,279
is a tool of Western oligarchical elite. Particularly the Joan

1140
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:51,840
Ratio book The Milner Fabian Conspiracy is the best overall book.

1141
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,960
It is about six hundred pages, but it will give

1142
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,479
you in the first three hundred pages all of it,

1143
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,319
every detail about that. And there's in those other books

1144
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:06,680
as well. But I mean, I just covered Black Gold Spies,

1145
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written by a French intelligence analyst, Galsmunier, and what did

1146
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:20,000
I titled that? That was a really good book. It's

1147
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very difficult read because it was so packed with dates

1148
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,000
and info and people and events, and we did a

1149
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:29,840
whole talk on it. Oh, I had to put it

1150
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in the title because I could never figure out what

1151
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,239
I titled Black Gold Spies. That will tell you the

1152
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:39,279
whole history of British intelligence in the Middle East. You

1153
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,840
can't understand the world without this right here. This is

1154
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:48,319
it and that gets into Mounier's book. I commented on

1155
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Sufism as well, because I don't even know the Sufi's

1156
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,520
were like trying to say one of the Sufi order

1157
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,840
heads who's like tied up with British intellig I was

1158
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trying to say that he thinks he thinks Bush and

1159
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Blair or are saints in Sufism because they fought against

1160
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the enemies of the Sufis. I just thought that was funny.

1161
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But people misunderstand and think that Charles is a Muslim.

1162
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Charles not a Muslim. Oh, but he was holding an

1163
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icon one time. He's Orthodox. Secret know he's not Orthodox.

1164
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Charles isn't Muslim. Charles's Orthodox. Charles funds a perennialist publisher

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called Tomainos. Charles is a perennialist, and for him, perennialism

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is what blends with his radical ecology vision tied to

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his Malthusian philosophy. So I'm trying to scroll back to

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where I commented on this recently, and I think I

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01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:50,399
linked underneath this my older talks on this topic. I

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will admit I got one detail wrong, which was that

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I one of the sunny excuse me, Sufi Shakes claimed

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that Charles was inducted into a Sufi order, but that

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01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,920
apparently is not verified. It could still be true, but

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01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:12,159
rather Charles visits and gives money to and support to

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Sufi religious sites, So it might as well be that

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01:11:16,399 --> 01:11:19,840
it was a minor detail that I got wrong. But overall,

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for the most part, what I wrote was correct, and

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I've been covering this pretty extensively. Dang, if I can

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01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:29,439
find it where was? This should be pretty.

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Speaker 4: Here?

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Speaker 1: It is right, so I said, if you watch my

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01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,960
lectures on British intelligence in Islam, you know that the

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Royals have it a long fascination with Islam. Charles was

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inducted into a Sufi order. That turns out that he

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,159
was just giving money to it and visiting it, but

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,760
could have been He might as well be naive. People

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,000
see him holding Orthodox icon, they lose their minds and

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01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:54,680
assume that he's secretly Orthodox. If anything, Charles is a perennialist.

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He funds the publishing house Temenos. Most of the Royals

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are not into anything except, in my view, depopulation and Malthusianism.

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And you can read mainline articles about the fascination that

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he has with Sufi Islam. And this goes back to

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the British wanting to control Mecca and wanted to control

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a lot of religious sites that were important to Muslims

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and to carve up the Middle East after the Sykes

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Pico Agreement, which was a secret agreement to carve it

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up with France, Russia and the UK. So that's why

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the Middle East is the way it is now. British

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Empire created Iraq. It's literally a made up country by

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the British. The British chose the Saudi tribe leaders that

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would be the Souds. T Lawrence read about him. Go

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,479
watch the movie with Nicole Kidman about Gertrude Bell. She's

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the one that went for British intelligence and picked the

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first king of Iraq, one of the tribal dudes Faisal

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,279
or whatever. So yeah, so that's what that's why it's

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geopolitics has nothing to do with I don't think with

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Charles actually being like into Islam. Now he could convert

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to Islam, that's possible, but I don't think. I think

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it's more of a pragmatic, devious kind of state craft

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01:13:20,079 --> 01:13:24,439
cunning than it is anything serious. What's up, man, I'm

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01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,279
gonna have to go pretty soon, so let's go ahead

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and make these pretty quick. What's up, dude? All right,

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01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,079
he dropped off. Uh, we'll do the last one here.

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Anyone disagree, raise your hand, I'll go to you. Of

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01:13:42,319 --> 01:13:44,520
the eight people who disagrees, raise your hand, will go

1216
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:51,399
to you first. Put up your hand emoji. If you disagree,

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01:13:52,039 --> 01:13:54,279
you'll be the last call tonight because I gotta go somewhere.

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No one disagrees, Okay, we'll go to you. Legal legal

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eye piece, legal eyes, legal eyes piece.

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Speaker 9: Hey, can you hear me?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:15,079
Speaker 9: Great?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm glad you called on me because I certainly

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01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:23,840
disagree pretty much about every religion. Kind of think where

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01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:31,279
I can begin. So I believe in reincarnation and also

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in aliens and UFOs and basically that all the angels

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and gods of the Bible were advanced extraterrestrials. And you're

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basically following a sophisticated cargo cult and Christianity.

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Speaker 9: Slash Catholicism cargo cult. Yeah, you know what a cargo

1230
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:51,359
cult is?

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Speaker 1: Like cargo pants.

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01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:57,199
Speaker 4: No like so like a like like a.

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Speaker 9: Tribe that was.

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Speaker 20: Like the American planes would drop cargo off to like

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an indigenous tribe, and then they would start worshiping the

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planes even though they're just advanced civilizations. Okay, and that's

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basically what I believe Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

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Speaker 1: Is did the the bong of the gods tell you this?

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But what the bong of the gods?

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 20: So, like I said, I believe in reincarnation, and so

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I believe.

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Speaker 1: I know you believe that, But I'm asking how do

1244
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:34,159
you know that? Like, where did you get this knowledge

1245
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:35,279
from this secret nosis?

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 20: Well, so I believe in Jesus and that he reincarnated

1247
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later as Mohammed trying to preach a similar message. And

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there's been other reincarnations and there's a current incarnation.

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Speaker 1: How come they saw totally different messages than if they're

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the same.

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Speaker 20: Well, the Church changed a lot of what Jesus taught.

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But there's a deed from Mohammed who says the closest

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person to me in this world world is Mary.

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Speaker 1: Well, if Muhammed says that if it's if it's, if

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01:16:03,119 --> 01:16:04,640
it's in a hadith, it must be true. How do

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01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,079
you know the church changed the teachings.

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01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,079
Speaker 20: Well, in the Council of n I see a lot

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of things were changed.

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Speaker 1: Like what because I can I can read all the

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pre nice scene fathers and they teach the same thing

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01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,800
as the post nic seen fathers. So can you give

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,000
me a specific example.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, well, reincarnation was one thing that was changed.

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Speaker 1: What n see what pre nice scene? What pre nic

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,960
seing church father? Can you let me talk a little bit,

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01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:29,680
what pre nice seing church father teaches reincarnation?

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Speaker 20: I'm not I don't know about any fathers, but I'm

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01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,479
saying Jesus himself taught reincarnation.

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Speaker 1: Where do you teach that?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's it's not in the Bible because it was

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removed exactly.

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Speaker 1: So goodbye, thank you, goodbye. It's just too dumb. You

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can't do it. Thank you guys. A lot of fun tonight.

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Oh wait a minute, I apologize. There's I get some

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or people get mad. Forty two attack five dollars. Uh,

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no way, that was yesterday. Victor Ziegeler ten dollars. Make

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it Rain, appreciate it, dog, Nicholas Clinton. This is a reminder.

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We're all wondering how many hairs are on Alla's uncreated

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any chin chint? Well, isn't he a beard less, blonde

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haired youth? So he doesn't have a beard, so one

1298
01:18:07,399 --> 01:18:11,880
of the hot deaths calls him a young blonde boy.

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I'm not joking. Thank you for this live stream. I

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01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:17,520
got my boomer dad to watch the streams on a

1301
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,880
regular basis any life advice for him. I would not

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01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,520
presume to give Boomer's advice, and I do not believe

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01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,960
any Boomer would ever listen to me about any advice.

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Heroes Workshop, I like this stream, this, I command already read.

1305
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Excuse me, where's the Lutheran dude? I thought he was

1306
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:40,000
gonna he was talking smack. He doesn't want to come debate.

1307
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,640
Oh and then somebody says, will you debate Corey Moller? No,

1308
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,840
I think Corey Mahler is a psycho. I tried years

1309
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,000
ago to get him to come into do debates and

1310
01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:56,119
he wouldn't do it. So no, I'm not interested. Glitchy

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01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:58,600
rhythm two dollars. I mean, he just calls. He doesn't

1312
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,079
he's not a serious person. He just says, your religion's Hinduism.

1313
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:07,319
You worship God's polemism, Hinduism. It's like that level of stuff.

1314
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,920
Marcus Antonio, Jay, you're scared to debate the Heaven's Gate folks,

1315
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:16,359
You're a coward. You're scared. Correct, Thank you, you got

1316
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:21,359
me exposed. Marco's two dollars. Marco's two dollars. I listened

1317
01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:23,680
to this one. I'm in the gym, my back is

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01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,720
pumped baby got back. So that sounds a little gay,

1319
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,279
but whatever, job two dollars. I'm just kidding with you.

1320
01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 4: Jay.

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01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,119
Speaker 1: You're afraid to debate the yellow Deli cult and not

1322
01:19:35,239 --> 01:19:40,800
the vegan vegetarian group that's set up a deli. I've

1323
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,199
heard of this, and yes, I am afraid. Actually, I

1324
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:46,319
would be more afraid to debate cults than the rest

1325
01:19:46,319 --> 01:19:48,680
of these goobers, because cults are nuts.

1326
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 4: Man.

1327
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:51,119
Speaker 1: It's the cults that'll actually like try to come after

1328
01:19:51,159 --> 01:19:56,000
you one shot a seventeen dollars, ten dollars. I want

1329
01:19:56,039 --> 01:19:57,039
to say thank you, Jay. I grew up in a

1330
01:19:57,079 --> 01:19:59,960
Pentecostal church. I became agnostic for fifteen years. Your video

1331
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:02,159
brought me back to brought me to orthodoxy. Finally. Hey,

1332
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:05,079
that's great, man, God bless you. Appreciate everything that you do.

1333
01:20:07,239 --> 01:20:10,880
I meant to make a video on just why speaking

1334
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,359
in tongues. I gotta remember to do that. It's not

1335
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:18,720
what charismatics think is. There's nothing gibberish anywhere. It's literally

1336
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:23,239
just languages. So if that goes, then all of charismatic

1337
01:20:23,399 --> 01:20:31,439
Pentecostalism goes. Joshmo twenty five dollars. Protestants don't realize that

1338
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,439
their denomination, even if you call it that, relies on traditions.

1339
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 4: Oh.

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01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, they have a tradition by which they have a canon.

1341
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:41,439
They have a tradition of solo feeda solar scriptura. It's

1342
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,279
just that their tradition is from you know, five hundred

1343
01:20:45,319 --> 01:20:49,880
years ago exactly. Sounds like a scam, Yeah, Carlos one dollar.

1344
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,079
Let me give another example of why Protestant stuff's a scam.

1345
01:20:55,039 --> 01:20:56,720
If you talk about the four marks of the Church,

1346
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,439
one Holy Catholic Apostolic right, If you talk about what

1347
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,239
the nice you know, constant Politan creed says, I believe

1348
01:21:02,279 --> 01:21:06,640
one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, right, every Protestant says, oh,

1349
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,079
we believe that too, But it's reinterpreted to be invisible

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church and individual believers and blah blah blah blah blah.

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It's nothing to do with the meaning that the actual

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01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:21,880
people who composed the creed gave it. You see, that

1353
01:21:22,079 --> 01:21:25,039
is a scam job. So it's more consistent if you

1354
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:28,760
beat to be like a Anabaptist blackout theology person who

1355
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,920
thinks that from the death the Apostles there was a

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blackout until the radical reformers, because the radical reformer people

1357
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,880
are more consistent when they admit that that's not what

1358
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,520
the Nicene Creed is teaching. It's not teaching Calvinism, it's

1359
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:49,520
not teaching four marks of an invisible church. So there

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01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:54,560
you go. A Apostolic prince, you're raising your hand. Do

1361
01:21:54,560 --> 01:22:01,800
you want to be the last one? What's up? I'm

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01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:07,319
your apostolic prince.

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Speaker 4: I'm you.

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Speaker 9: Oh sorry, I didn't really, I've spoken to you before.

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Speaker 18: I just wanted to bring up something I debate with

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Muslims on TikTok.

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Speaker 9: I told you that last one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're aware.

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Speaker 18: But the Islamic position is the same as what you

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used to be, which is a Calvinistic position. You can

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only affirm alas divine will and divine decree. The philosophical

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dilemma of the one and many does not allow for

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all of being independent of his creation, and then also.

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Speaker 9: His creation having three will.

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Speaker 18: So they affirmed double predestination even between all.

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, I did know that, Yeah, absolutely, I appreciate that.

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Now we have talked about it, but I gotta hurry. Dudes, Carlos,

1378
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dudes with small hats went after the czar it is

1379
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your cube. Do not block me, straight white male, five

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01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,960
dollars off topic? Have you seen no, we already read

1381
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that forty two attack ten dollars. I do not have

1382
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roundtable discussion pitches. Thank you for your education that's free

1383
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:13,840
over the years. Appreciate the work you do. Thank you, Donnie.

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Since fifty bucks he wins, no way he was gonna win.

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And then we got a one hundred and seventy five dollars,

1386
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a massive fat super chat. Junior Yotagallo, do a brief

1387
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commentary on Thessalonians two eleven. For this reason, God sent

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them a strong delusion that they should believe a lie.

1389
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And what are we seeing today is this Protestants, Catholics

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and Muslims. Well, I think Paul is talking about the

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unbelief in every age that he calls the mystery of iniquity. So,

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in a sense, the strong delusion is anyone who in

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any age doesn't affirm Christ. And it's not God sending

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it as like a causal.

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Speaker 4: Thing.

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Speaker 1: It's God giving them over to the thing as a

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punishment which they willed. So in other words, they wanted

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to believe a lie. That's what the textas are they

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chose and will to believe a lie instead of the truth.

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So then God lets them have the delusion and they

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delude themselves. But I do think that also it could

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apply to the end whenever that is, that there will

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be some special type of delusion in the final end days.

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I don't know if that's what we're in now could be,

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but whenever that final final end times is, there will

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be a strong delusion that people are given over to

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which leads to worship of Antichrist and the beast.

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Speaker 4: So that.

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Speaker 1: Knew that well, that would be one of the many

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delusions of m I n I many delusions, of the

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many delusions m I n I of the ma A

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n y delusions. So would it apply ultimately to Catholicism,

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protestantsm in Islam in a general sense, yes, But I

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do think Paul doesn't tend eventually to be speaking of

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some final eschatological delusion. Whenever and however that will come

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about X timely. But thank you for that very generous

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super jest fifty dollars. Thank you for teaching the nubs

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and helping clarify things that aren't immediately clear. Well, thanks man,

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tried to We try to be accurate here, Steve mcleven

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five dollars. All we already read that one the Angel

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Lord isn't Jesus because it wasn't written in the red

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text exactly riptide five dollars, God, bless you and yours.

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Thank you so much, Curie la some on one dollar

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tell us rebuttal to Angel of the Lord is not God.

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Essentially is to bring up an example that in the

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same sense the dove descended into christ baptism is not God. Yeah,

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but it is God. We're not saying God is a dove,

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but it's an energetic manner in festation or appearance, just

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like the fire in the Glory of Leviticus nine. Did

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you watch Wagner attempting to reconcile this now, because the

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issue is about the Theophanes and the presence of God

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the Son in time and space prior to the incarnation,

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which is not just the bodily references like when he's

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wrestling with Jacob, it's also references to things like the

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fire and the glory of God in Leviticus nine. So

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we're not told of anything about a body like Jacob's

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wrestling with in Leviticus nine. Were told that it's a

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manifestation of fire, just like in the wilderness, the cloud

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and the fire, the shoa kind of glory cloud. Those

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are not bodies. They're called glory. They're not said to

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be created reflections of glory. They're identified as God and Glory.

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And you always face with Gideon. So all of that

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refutes the attempted claims, which were not about traces of

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the Trinity in the Old Testament. So Roman Catholics, yes,

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they affirmed that there are quote traces of the Trinity

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in the Old Testament. That's not what's in debate. The

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problem is the in time and space manifestation, which is

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an energetic manifestation of Orthodoxiology prior to the incarnation of

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God really in time and space. And that's a problem

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for tumism number one because of absolute divine simplicity. Number

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two because of God being reduced to pure act. If

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God is pure act, he's not in time and space

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in a localized manner. And number three, it undercuts they

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don't even realize it, the incarnation itself, because if God

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can't be in one of his hypostases in time and

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space in a self limiting way, then they've undercut the

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entire incarnation itself, because it's not the Trinity that became incarnate.

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It's the second person of the Godhead, not the Father,

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and not the spirit that came into time and space

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that really was over in Jerusalem and not in bethsta

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in a unique mode, mode or presence. Their position can't

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make sense of that. It's all created effects. It's not

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the divine logos in time and space, which is why

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they can't admit the Theophanes And by the way, how

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does a being that is reducible to pure act how

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does that being limit his actions in time and space?

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Allah Philippians too. In the Kenosis passage, you see that

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the doctrine of absolute dimind simplicity and God being reduced

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to pure actuality with no potentiality, destroys free will, destroys

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the incarnation, destroys distinguishing the act of creating from the conflagration.

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It destroys the distinction between the divine power of walking

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on water from the divine power of creating the world.

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It's literally stupid, but they will go to all lengths

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to patch this nonsense up and make it work. And

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now thank god they've come out and just said Saint

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talmut Aquinas. It's not Jesus in the Old Testament, it's

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an angel. Good Now go back to Mecca Dance Commander

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ten dollars, Thank you, the only show in the world

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that teaches complex theology and is also top tier comedy.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Can you do your Mark Zuckerberg and I can do

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my Mark Zuckerberg? Just like this, I think you guys

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are gonna enjoy it because you're gonna be in a

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kumpad and I'm gonna make you read for all eternity

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the writings of Saint telmut Aquinas. How's that when you

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get stuck in the compot and your hell is to

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read Aquinas for eternity? Hades not ten dollars. We see

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in the Bernie bush to the angel, the Lord peer

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to him, the angel Lord's in the bush, but then

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God called him out of the bush. So the angels

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identified as God. Yeah, it's identified many times. And is

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it Exodus twenty three? I did devise the same angel

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in the bush. This is like basic theology. Man, I

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can't believe that they've gone to this. I can't believe it.

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There's no idiocy to which the Roman Catholic goofballs won't sink.

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So I can believe it. I send my angel before

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you obey his voice. He will not pardon your transgressions.

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My name Yahweh is in him. Oh look at that.

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Do angels parton sin? Or does God pardon sin? By

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the way, this is the same angel that pardons sin

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that Joseph mentions at the end of Genesis. So, Joseph says,

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the Angel of the Lord is the one who redeems

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him from all of his troubles in Genesis the end.

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Speaker 11: I was going to bring up that first. I'm glad

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you brought that up. Who can forgive sins?

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Speaker 4: Got Alumm?

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Speaker 1: Now Jesus says that who can forgive sentence to the Pharisees?

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Now these idiot Thomas who ghosts angels for good sins? Well,

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guess we can worship angels and call them ah wah,

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Well that makes sense. Roman Catholics believe that there's created gods.

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They believe that there's the grace that they get as

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a created supernatural thing. It's not God, it's a created

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supernatural grace. So Roman Catholics are polytheists that believe in

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multiple gods. Why wouldn't they worship angels? And Metatron or

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whatever else. They're basically just cobblists at this point. No,

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what m five dollars? Random question? I brought some tallow

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from the website. Oh you mean Jamie's. Does it contain

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coconut oil? I think, Hey, Jamie, do you have coconut

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oil in your tallow? Yes? So I don't know if

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you are allergic or something, but it does have coconut oil. Kbor,

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we already did that. Get we did that, We did that,

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We did that, glitchy rhythm to dollars. Please debate my dad.

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I can't stand to me.

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Speaker 4: Sucks.

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Speaker 1: Well, you gotta try to love your dad anyway. Sorry,

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meet mentos more five dollars. You're the catechists from online

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Orthodox Church of the Interwebs. No, that is not what

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I am. This is not katechisis. This is basic defense

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of principles regarding religious errors. Okay, out of cais. This

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is what you get when you go to the Orthodox

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Church and you become a catechumen and you're taught by

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a priest who hopefully will be a kind of spiritual

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father to you. That's not me, and that's not the

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role that I can provide for you. Now, if you

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don't live near a church, you gotta do the best

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you can do. I understand it, but no, I'm not

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a catechist. One shot a seventeen dollars. Thank you, are

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we read that? Harry Sapanos three dollars, Thank you Jay

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for another great train, God bless Thank you saw Snake

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ten dollars. Thanks for this awesome content. Can I DM

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you on X and ask questions? I mean, I'm pretty busy.

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I don't know if I have time. I get a

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lot of X messages and honestly, I it's not tied

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to reply to them all. So maybe UH ask your

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questions in he