Speaker 1: Big weekend in the world of football or soccer, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to say, both on the local scale, national scale,
Speaker 1: international as well. RSL with three points, they're now on
Speaker 1: beating in three straight games. The US men's national team
Speaker 1: falls to Mexico in a Gold Clup final. Nobody better
Speaker 1: than our next guest to walk us through all of it.
Speaker 1: Brian Dunseeth, the legend himself. Monday afternoon, Donny, Happy Monday man.
Speaker 2: How are we doing.
Speaker 3: Out in the beautiful state, the great state of New Jersey?
Speaker 3: Staring out the window the skyline over the Hudson to
Speaker 3: New York City and getting ready for tomorrow's semi finals
Speaker 3: to the Club World Cup between Flaminensa and Chelsea.
Speaker 2: Wow, very nice.
Speaker 1: And I like to say, I'm from the right coast, Donny,
Speaker 1: You're from the left coast, So what's it like for
Speaker 1: a left coaster to be existing in my ecosystem?
Speaker 2: Back in the East coast?
Speaker 3: They all are really loud, Like, why is everyone yelling
Speaker 3: all the time out here? I know, I know you
Speaker 3: guys are on top of each other, but everyone's just
Speaker 3: screaming all the time. There's not a lot of pleases
Speaker 3: and thank you and not a lot of acknowledgment. I
Speaker 3: said thank you today and I got a hook back
Speaker 3: at me. So, yeah, I'm surviving. I like to look
Speaker 3: people in the eye and say hello, sir, thank you
Speaker 3: man hold doors for people. That's not always reciprocated out here.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe being back east will give you more empathy
Speaker 1: for dealing with someone like me.
Speaker 2: Is that fair?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. Okay, I probably need a couple of
Speaker 3: years before I figured that.
Speaker 1: Out right, the unnecessary shots fired, Donnie, all right, let's
Speaker 1: start with let's start with what Diego Luna just showed
Speaker 1: the world during this Gold Cup run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I know the final didn't turn out the
Speaker 3: way if he wanted it to. I'm of the term
Speaker 3: belief that finals are never as fanciful as we all
Speaker 3: kind of hoped for. And as I say that, I
Speaker 3: do recognize psg Inter was probably the most ex fun,
Speaker 3: free flowing five MIL Champions League final that we've seen
Speaker 3: in a long long time. But listen, I think at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, what Diego Luna has done
Speaker 3: in these last six weeks has captured the imagination of
Speaker 3: fan base that was had a bitter taste in their
Speaker 3: mouths because of everything that it transpired with a couple
Speaker 3: of players that were available, a couple of players that
Speaker 3: weren't available, and on top of that, quite frankly, the
Speaker 3: disappointment of not only Nations League, but Copa Medica a
Speaker 3: year ago. So he's allowed us, along with Elie Tillman,
Speaker 3: I think Sebastian Burholz, Tyler Adams, Chris Richards in particular,
Speaker 3: to maybe dream about watching players that would live and
Speaker 3: die for the badge. And I keep saying this and
Speaker 3: said it's a broad stroke, but you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know this past the odd ball test, because as
Speaker 3: fandom is a finicky thing and at a bare minimum,
Speaker 3: all we want is to see the players theoretically quote
Speaker 3: unquote want it as much as we do as fans
Speaker 3: when we support, you know, the psychotic, psychopathic sports teams
Speaker 3: that we believe, you know, in golf, and maintain the
Speaker 3: DNA of what we want to see. So I think, overall,
Speaker 3: a really high, huge net positive, even though I think
Speaker 3: if Diego was honest, it was probably not the performance
Speaker 3: he was planning on having against Mexico in the final.
Speaker 1: So from a broader perspective, and I was stunned to
Speaker 1: hear that This was the first win Mexico had over
Speaker 1: the US in a competitive situation in six years. I
Speaker 1: was surprised to have I've learned that it honestly, Donny
Speaker 1: felt like an earned result.
Speaker 2: I thought Mexico was the better side.
Speaker 1: So actually, let me just ask you about that before
Speaker 1: we expanded to thirty thousand feet to maybe get a
Speaker 1: little bit of a preview of what's next for this team.
Speaker 1: What was your take on the run that they had
Speaker 1: to the final and your take on walkie watching Mexico
Speaker 1: lift the Gold Cup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the run was expected, I guess. I am love
Speaker 3: the very few that all we saw this Gold Cup.
Speaker 3: There is nothing more than an opportunity to bleed some
Speaker 3: players that were less experienced and start thinking about next summer.
Speaker 3: Not for starters per se, but for the roster and
Speaker 3: impact players coming off the bench. I would gently remind everybody,
Speaker 3: and I said this today on CNN International when I
Speaker 3: was talking to Tacoy that this is this is a
Speaker 3: Mexico team that's quite honestly, this starting eleven we saw
Speaker 3: last night could be the same starting eleven at the
Speaker 3: World Cup twelve months from now. Basketball Getty Hiviera Getti
Speaker 3: has done a phenomenal job with his group of players.
Speaker 3: He brought back Rathea Marquez, one of the iconic DNA
Speaker 3: players of the recent Mexico's success, who's our age and
Speaker 3: ultimately I think deserved to who deserve to win. That
Speaker 3: being said again, I think there were some net positives,
Speaker 3: but that's only if you're willing to look past the
Speaker 3: results and think about what this tournament really meant to
Speaker 3: a highly I mean outside of Tyler Adams and Chris Richards,
Speaker 3: a highly inexperienced, a group of players that for Mauricio
Speaker 3: Pochettino finally got his hands on for the better part
Speaker 3: of the last six weeks, unlike anything that he ever
Speaker 3: had previous. Because a domestic manager from Espanol, Southampton, Spurs, PSG, Chelsea,
Speaker 3: they're used to having their boots in the ground and
Speaker 3: working with their players every single day, and if a
Speaker 3: player doesn't fit the system, they move the player out
Speaker 3: and they bring a player in. That's not the case
Speaker 3: with the usbn's national team. With the usbin's national team
Speaker 3: in the international window, you get players to the better
Speaker 3: part of maybe two training sessions before the first game
Speaker 3: because it's travel and recovery, and then it's a short
Speaker 3: turn around time until the next game. So this was
Speaker 3: Marisio Putcher in the first calendar year of him being
Speaker 3: head coached, was the first time that he actually had
Speaker 3: the chance to work with a group of players. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: it wasn't the first team and it never was going
Speaker 3: to be the first team despite the failure of Copa
Speaker 3: Medica and the Nations League.
Speaker 1: So as we look ahead to a World Cup that
Speaker 1: will be played in our region where a lot of
Speaker 1: people who support and love the sport of football or
Speaker 1: soccer are hoping that it provides a bump. And I
Speaker 1: know that's a narrative that was around in the nineties,
Speaker 1: but the World Cup here in the nineties led to
Speaker 1: the implementation of Major League Soccer. I want you to
Speaker 1: walk us through this process, Donny, what comes next between
Speaker 1: now and the World Cup which is less than a
Speaker 1: year from now, and then tied into your answer, help
Speaker 1: us understand where you think diego now exists in this ecosystem.
Speaker 3: So what comes next is there's international friendlies in September,
Speaker 3: October November, which I'll be a part of on TNT
Speaker 3: and Turner. The soft free Game will be in New Jersey.
Speaker 3: I believe it's like September sixth in that region, followed
Speaker 3: up by a couple days later in Columbus, Ohio against Japan.
Speaker 3: I believe it's September ninth, and then you'll have another
Speaker 3: international window in October and another international window in November
Speaker 3: before heading into twenty twenty six. The runway is, you know,
Speaker 3: ten or so games. I mean, there's not a lot
Speaker 3: of games remaining. And that's why Copa America two summers
Speaker 3: ago was really really important. That's why Nations League was
Speaker 3: really are important. That's why effectively this tournament was really
Speaker 3: really important, because you're only going to have so many
Speaker 3: chances to play in a height stake. It's environment where
Speaker 3: you know you have intense jeopardy. You're not going to
Speaker 3: get that in friendly. It's not moveing and you know,
Speaker 3: win and move on. It's not one of those situations
Speaker 3: where you're thinking about tactics and identity and shape and
Speaker 3: if you get it wrong, you're making subs at halftime.
Speaker 3: You know, if you've given up a penalty, it doesn't
Speaker 3: and given up a red card for Dogzo for example,
Speaker 3: you're still you know, there's no jeopardy to miss out
Speaker 3: for a quarterfinal against Germany at the World Cup. Right,
Speaker 3: So these are all international friendlies because there's no World
Speaker 3: Cup qualifying because of the United States, Mexico and Canada
Speaker 3: are hosting, which means that bigger picture, there's real, real
Speaker 3: difficulty with truly grasping how far along this group is.
Speaker 3: Now that being said, Spence, I can remember coming on
Speaker 3: the show after I believe it was Saudi Arabia and
Speaker 3: South Korea and the final two friendlies heading into Guitar
Speaker 3: and the World Cup. I'm saying to you, I am very, very,
Speaker 3: very concerned about this group. My fears were alleviated immediately.
Speaker 3: Tim Reen came in, Jedi Robinson, Christian Poliicity, Tyler Adams,
Speaker 3: was McKinney, Timmy Weia. You know, they were all fantastic,
Speaker 3: and I think we all kind of underestimated their ability
Speaker 3: to turn it on in a moment where you know,
Speaker 3: big game Bob really matters. So without all that saying,
Speaker 3: I can't imagine a world in which Diego Luna, unless
Speaker 3: he's injured or unless he's completely fallen out of form,
Speaker 3: isn't a major part of what Mauricio Pochettino is planning
Speaker 3: with the World Cup next summer here in the United States.
Speaker 3: I'm not willing based on last night. I'm not willing
Speaker 3: to go as far as to say he's an absolute starter,
Speaker 3: but I am absolutely pinning him in to theoretically, quote
Speaker 3: unquote be on the plane to make this roster and
Speaker 3: be a part of the US men's national team here
Speaker 3: in the US.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about the dynamic of the US
Speaker 1: Mexico game that a lot of people are up in
Speaker 1: arms about this, but Stu Holden during the broadcast actually
Speaker 1: said he did not feel that it was a handball.
Speaker 1: It was Jorge Sanchez in the sixty six minute. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're going to have to help me because his hand
Speaker 1: was literally on top of the ball, and my pace
Speaker 1: soccer brain says, okay, hand two ball, hand ball, penalty kick, please,
Speaker 1: so help me understand what I'm missing here.
Speaker 2: Dounniy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not gonna want to hear this, But theoretically
Speaker 3: it's the correct call, And I'll explain why. There is
Speaker 3: an updated adjustment from IFAB about handling inside the penalty
Speaker 3: area specifically which is a handball, but they use the
Speaker 3: terminology handling what it was meant to do, and this
Speaker 3: is the difficulty. And I had this debate today with
Speaker 3: a bunch of the guys that I'm with here at
Speaker 3: the seas of Club World Cup. If you look at
Speaker 3: the problem is, you've got to start with I fab
Speaker 3: the lawmakers, and the lawmakers have this really crazy intense
Speaker 3: job where they have to talk about the laws of
Speaker 3: the game and the things that they want to change,
Speaker 3: but then they have to see that and put words
Speaker 3: to paper, and then on top of that you have
Speaker 3: and I'll just walk through this theory. What is the
Speaker 3: laws of the game and how they're interpreted by FIFA
Speaker 3: at the national team level is different than what the
Speaker 3: laws of the game at the UEFA FIFA Club World
Speaker 3: Cup is interpreted versus different than what the Premier League
Speaker 3: would say is or is not handling is different from
Speaker 3: what Major League Soccer would say is different about handling
Speaker 3: inside the penalty area. So just because you have one
Speaker 3: broad stroke of verbalizing what is or is not handling
Speaker 3: in the penalty area, it doesn't mean it's applied the
Speaker 3: exact same way. So that's number one. Number two, the
Speaker 3: updated Laws of the Game was basically taking away the
Speaker 3: jeopardy of being in a natural position when you're on
Speaker 3: the ground and your hand is extended away from your
Speaker 3: body in a natural position. They didn't like watching so
Speaker 3: many different penalties be given up because a guy is
Speaker 3: sliding because what he's supposed to do with his arms
Speaker 3: in a natural position, and that drag arm, which is
Speaker 3: not making himself a naturally big being in a natural position,
Speaker 3: has been pointed referee it said that's a pKa points
Speaker 3: to the spot penalty. So they've adjusted this. But the
Speaker 3: idea was if you're falling and your hands in a
Speaker 3: natural falling body position, you shouldn't be penalized for that.
Speaker 3: That's all fine, But what we saw last night was
Speaker 3: something that we haven't seen before. And this is where
Speaker 3: it becomes kind of the gray area in interpretation. If
Speaker 3: you would have if the referee would have blown the
Speaker 3: whistle and said penalty, United States, I don't think that
Speaker 3: VAR has enough wiggle room to overturn that and say
Speaker 3: it's not a penalty. But by the referee saying it's
Speaker 3: not a penalty, I don't think VAR has enough wiggle
Speaker 3: room to say to the referee, he's made a clear
Speaker 3: and obvious mistake and that should be a penalty. Because
Speaker 3: there's a high bar of intervention, and what they're trying
Speaker 3: to do is take away var's ability to any referee
Speaker 3: a game spence. That's the first time since the updated
Speaker 3: Laws of the Game included taking away the jeopardy of
Speaker 3: a player falling in a natural position or his hand
Speaker 3: being in a natural position, that we've seen a player
Speaker 3: in a falling motion put his hand on top of
Speaker 3: the ball. So this was a first for everyone, and
Speaker 3: I would be shocked if Conky cast and FIFA and
Speaker 3: US Soccer didn't have some type of meeting of the
Speaker 3: minds to look for more clarity, to have a better
Speaker 3: understanding of should this have happened, what is the correct interpretation,
Speaker 3: and is this something now we need to include in
Speaker 3: verbalizing updated laws of the game. It's very complicated, it's
Speaker 3: very nuanced, but I as a broadcaster, completely understand. While
Speaker 3: I don't think it fits with the spirit of how
Speaker 3: the law was written and intended, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It does, and it's helpful context because I'm watching wildly confused,
Speaker 1: because I was as reductive as saying, like, dude, he
Speaker 1: put his hand on top of the ball like that.
Speaker 3: You're not the only one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, A few minutes left. Let's
Speaker 1: move over to RSL. Here's where I want to start
Speaker 1: with the RSL stuff. Based off of your experience playing
Speaker 1: internationally and having teammates you know, Clint Eddie, all the
Speaker 1: players that you played with that left to go play
Speaker 1: for the national team for World Cup cycles, Gold Cup cycles.
Speaker 1: What are you expecting from Diego as he comes back
Speaker 1: to club after his experience with the country where his
Speaker 1: star has never been brighter?
Speaker 2: What do you think that's going to look like for Rsel.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping for a double Whammie. I am hoping now
Speaker 3: that the Millers have settled in his ownership, that there's
Speaker 3: been a divestment of maybe the recent past of decision making,
Speaker 3: the fact that the club, it feels as though now
Speaker 3: we look back, was preparing for a sale, which meant
Speaker 3: that they didn't spend in the international window as expected,
Speaker 3: after reaping the benefits and the rewards of the last
Speaker 3: previous season of so many players leaving and quite frankly
Speaker 3: leaving Pablo in the lurch and needing reinforcement for the
Speaker 3: departures not only from a talent perspective, but from a
Speaker 3: leadership perspective that this summer there's significant money being spent,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how to correctly verbalize a price
Speaker 3: tag that would make sense because it depends on if
Speaker 3: you want to establish guys, It depends on if you
Speaker 3: want to swing for the fences with some of these
Speaker 3: young guys. But the reality is I would love to
Speaker 3: see a double whammy in which Diego comes back hungry
Speaker 3: and frustrated based on that last performance to continue to
Speaker 3: elevate his star and build upon what is right around
Speaker 3: the corner, an All Star game performance. And on top
Speaker 3: of that, look to see this roster calibrated with a
Speaker 3: couple of departures and a couple of incoming players. Because
Speaker 3: it's insanely obvious to us from the outside looking in
Speaker 3: that if real Felt Lake doesn't want to waste twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five, that they have to swing for the fences now.
Speaker 3: And as I say that, I'm not saying blindfully just
Speaker 3: throw money at a product and think that it's going
Speaker 3: to fit. I think this summer has to be. You
Speaker 3: have to be really, really smart and diligent with your
Speaker 3: six month plan, your two year plan, and ultimately your
Speaker 3: five year plan, and if you can align all of
Speaker 3: those goals and you know, really pull the trigger on
Speaker 3: some fantastic players that are going to be available for
Speaker 3: half the cost they normally would with regards to your
Speaker 3: salary budget hit, your salary cap hit, then certainly now
Speaker 3: is the time. But my fear is that if you
Speaker 3: day with status quo with this roster, that despite all
Speaker 3: of the circulean efforts of that coaching staff, that this roster,
Speaker 3: this group of players haven't proven that they're good enough
Speaker 3: to date to be a playoff team, which is wild
Speaker 3: for me to verbalize publicly considering twelve months ago this
Speaker 3: was a team in the midst of fourteen games, unbeaten
Speaker 3: Chico had seventeen goals and nine assists, Andris Gomez was flying,
Speaker 3: Matt Crooks statistically wasn't flying but was really really important,
Speaker 3: and Diego Luna was ascending into the player that he
Speaker 3: is right now. So I know that sounds ruthless and
Speaker 3: cut throat, but the reality is that if we also
Speaker 3: Lake wants to be a playoff team, they got to
Speaker 3: figure this out because this roster and this group of
Speaker 3: players that we thought could be good enough to maybe
Speaker 3: mimic what last season's performance was so far, they haven't
Speaker 3: shown it. And you've got to be ruthless, to be lean,
Speaker 3: and you've got to make some big decisions in these
Speaker 3: next month and a half.
Speaker 1: I agree, well said, but I do imagine Donny the
Speaker 1: Kurt's phone is ringing now about Diogo in a way
Speaker 1: that it wasn't maybe even a week ago, two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: And I've never really enjoyed. While I understand the ethos
Speaker 1: of development and sell for a premium, I don't like it.
Speaker 2: It's not how I was raised in sport. But I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: I know there's been a bit of a paradigm shift
Speaker 1: for the miller's in charge. But what is the number
Speaker 1: that is offered for Diego where you just can't say no?
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't see. Well, here's the thing you
Speaker 3: reference now. RSL kind of backed themselves in a corner
Speaker 3: in the best possible way, because Andres Gome is going
Speaker 3: for thirteen million. Is one of the biggest outliers that
Speaker 3: I've seen in Major League soccer. I still, to this
Speaker 3: day cannot believe that Wren offered that much money for
Speaker 3: a player that had only shown in a six month burst,
Speaker 3: not even a six month maybe a five month, four
Speaker 3: month burst. I scored a boatload of goals, but hadn't
Speaker 3: done it before and certainly hasn't done it after. And
Speaker 3: I know injuries have curtailed some of his abilities to
Speaker 3: perform in Liga, and it's a different system and it's
Speaker 3: a different mentality playing in France. So when you've sold
Speaker 3: a player for thirteen million, that's kind of the base price.
Speaker 3: And Diego is a completely different profile, like his athletic
Speaker 3: profile is completely different than Undress. You know, we can
Speaker 3: talk about positions, we can talk about you know, numbers.
Speaker 3: He's not an outlying winger, so he's more of a ten. Now.
Speaker 3: If you said to me where can Diego play? I
Speaker 3: would tell you Diego could play in any league in
Speaker 3: the world. But that doesn't mean that someone's walking through
Speaker 3: that door and dropping ten to fifteen million on Diego Luna.
Speaker 3: I could see a run from a league a Mechu's team.
Speaker 3: I could see Diego playing in Germany. I could see
Speaker 3: Diego playing in Holland. I could see Diego a lot.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've said the the day I'd love to
Speaker 3: see Ryan and Robert Repsham make a run at Diego
Speaker 3: and think about the commercial power and the on field
Speaker 3: success that he could have in the Championship and on
Speaker 3: FX on welcome to Resham. But you know what do
Speaker 3: I know? So yeah, I would be really intrigued to
Speaker 3: see what the valuation is. But I would also wonder
Speaker 3: if I'm a scout and this is going to be
Speaker 3: just ruthless for a second, if I was a scouter
Speaker 3: a general manager, and I went to watch Diego and
Speaker 3: I needed that final box checked against Mexico in the
Speaker 3: Gold Cup Final, I'm not sure that box is checked,
Speaker 3: so that could be a huge benefit to reale ce Lake.
Speaker 3: But I would also understand from a real ce Lake
Speaker 3: fan base perspective. Hold on a second, We've we've sold
Speaker 3: all of our best players, right, We've let Albert go,
Speaker 3: We've let Donni go, We've let you know, for some
Speaker 3: Savarino goal, we sold on dress. You know, Chicho went
Speaker 3: for pennies on the dollar. Although there's a conversation somewhere
Speaker 3: in there, at some point, real Salt Lake fans want
Speaker 3: their team kept together and to make a serious wrong,
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure that's really possible in the way
Speaker 3: that Major League Soccer is built. But as I say that,
Speaker 3: there is a blueprint down at LAFC. And again it's
Speaker 3: the sight and sounds of Los Angeles. But what John Thornington,
Speaker 3: Stevie Tarundelo and probably Bob Bradley as well, deserving credit
Speaker 3: have done is spent money on established players, spent money
Speaker 3: on young players, develops players coming through the system, and
Speaker 3: then constantly rotated and updated their roster to a tremendous
Speaker 3: amount of success, continual success. And that's what I would
Speaker 3: like to see real sal Lake happen, not just once
Speaker 3: every two or three years, maybe compete for the top
Speaker 3: four spot in the left. I would love to see
Speaker 3: the investment so there's stability and continuous investment because right
Speaker 3: now the nuclear arms spending in Major League Soccer is
Speaker 3: extraordinary and it's not going to slow down, and you're
Speaker 3: going to look at teams spending roughly between fifteen and
Speaker 3: twenty million per year just to continue to try to
Speaker 3: compete with their respective conference.
Speaker 1: Donny, great stuff. Man, have a great call. What an
Speaker 1: exciting tournament to be around. And then obviously travel safe
Speaker 1: and we'll do it again soon. Thanks brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. Man. After these two games, I
Speaker 3: get back, I get to call rialso Lake at Portland
Speaker 3: and then finally get to be back in America first
Speaker 3: field and call RSL Cincinnati was with TOOMX, so can't
Speaker 3: wait to be back and call Tomorrowslow games, it's been
Speaker 3: too long.
Speaker 2: Very nice.
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