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Speaker 1: Okay, we are a love pid. This is William Ramsey.
Speaker 1: Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates. Today show have two very
Speaker 1: special guests. They're going to kind of co host and
Speaker 1: we're all going to just have a kind of brain
Speaker 1: you know, drain our brain of all this information about
Speaker 1: John Banne Ramsey, at least on my show. You know,
Speaker 1: Sean McCann, we've done so many were thirty shows now
Speaker 1: or something like that. We're going to actually I'll be
Speaker 1: talking to tomorrow morning. If he shows up, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we're trying to do it tomorrow morning. For episode
Speaker 1: seven of The Manchurian Candidate Fiction to Fact, we're going
Speaker 1: to go into George Coben Esterbrooks, a very important person,
Speaker 1: often overlooked. I say that his documents that were released
Speaker 1: by Black Vault FOI are really some of the most
Speaker 1: important documents that really inform the sixties in a way
Speaker 1: that even other authors haven't done. Because it shows that
Speaker 1: Hoover knows a lot of this secret knowledge and it
Speaker 1: was never divulged to the public, even to authors and
Speaker 1: things like that. They may have sought pieces of it,
Speaker 1: but he's involved in so many of these assassinations. Hoover's
Speaker 1: right behind the scenes there and the fbis and all
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of the Kirk assassination. So this kind
Speaker 1: of trend continues. But like I said, Sean and I
Speaker 1: have done like thirty shows, and then also Julia of
Speaker 1: Cosmic Peach is here and we've done I think three
Speaker 1: or four or five shows, and we've been talking and
Speaker 1: I've been talking to Sean about this John. But hey,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to this story. It happened in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six. It's very delicate. These are our opinions or
Speaker 1: other people's opinions of what happened. There's really been no
Speaker 1: court trial, so you can't say these people have been
Speaker 1: convicted of anything. They haven't been convicted, they haven't been tried.
Speaker 1: It didn't even get to that point. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of work done at in Colorado, but it never
Speaker 1: got to the point where they were indicted. If I remember,
Speaker 1: maybe my memory's not serving me correct, But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff I've researched today. There's I've read through
Speaker 1: the book by Cyril Wack, who I had on my
Speaker 1: show when he was among us. He was a great
Speaker 1: man and he's unfortunately passed away. He did a lot
Speaker 1: of work on the Smiley Faced killings on some of
Speaker 1: these cases too, as an independent medical examiner, and he
Speaker 1: wrote who Killed John Binney? And he had some very
Speaker 1: opinionated views or conclusions that he made in that book
Speaker 1: that we're going to go through. But Julia says she's
Speaker 1: got a lot of research, so we're going to go
Speaker 1: through this, but this is we don't like, we're not
Speaker 1: saying these people committed the crime there, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of questions that need to be answered about the
Speaker 1: John Binney to this day, and it happened in this
Speaker 1: environment of like child porn pages. I've read through the
Speaker 1: singular book today where he claims that they're part of
Speaker 1: this whole pageant pedophile and there's a lot of these
Speaker 1: people who were involved in the pageants who got busted
Speaker 1: for child porn. See sam is what they call it now.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of going to be a disturbing show,
Speaker 1: kind of a Halloween show too, and might get really graphic,
Speaker 1: like even her passing was very graphic and she was
Speaker 1: clearly sexualized wearing makeup at six years old, five years old,
Speaker 1: and I wrote, remember, I haven't seen the videos, but
Speaker 1: like those pageants are weird. They're almost like strict Easas
Speaker 1: or something like that, like glam strict Jesus. But anyway,
Speaker 1: welcoming back to the show, Julia and Seawn, So welcome
Speaker 1: back to William Ramsay invest keats.
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to say hello, Julia, and I'm
Speaker 2: bringing my own Wake the Dead audience here to this
Speaker 2: conversation to listen in, because this is really wonderful knowledge
Speaker 2: to learn. And I've been digging down this myself because
Speaker 2: of my never ending look into Looking into Eyes Wide
Speaker 2: Shut by Stanley Kubrick, and the fact that the Helena
Speaker 2: gets stolen at the end, and there's this cult, the
Speaker 2: sex cult, the groom's children into you know, the Ley
Speaker 2: Sviski knew about the Ermine cloak, and she's you know,
Speaker 2: she's so she knows about the rituals. So it's all
Speaker 2: one big melting and I guess like the stew is brewing,
Speaker 2: and so I'd like to know as much information as
Speaker 2: possible that you can bring about John Mana is totally
Speaker 2: related to this, you know.
Speaker 1: And also Christmas remember too, So this happened at after
Speaker 1: Christmas party, so it's some kind of weird after party
Speaker 1: that they were out to.
Speaker 2: And children Mass is just after Christmas and they do
Speaker 2: sacrifices and children Mass too, like there's a lot of
Speaker 2: occult holidays that are just around that time. But anyway,
Speaker 2: please welcome Julia, sorry say hello.
Speaker 3: Please, yeah, thanks for having me, William and Sean. I
Speaker 3: actually covered this topic as a Christmas special if you will,
Speaker 3: the last two years. So last year and the year before,
Speaker 3: I talked about what happened to her kind of on
Speaker 3: the anniversary of her death. And I really didn't know
Speaker 3: too much about her other than like the mainstream narrative
Speaker 3: until I read Program to Kill. And that's a book
Speaker 3: that I've mentioned several several several times by David McGowan.
Speaker 3: He has a lot of stuff in that book. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's like a treasure trow. They're serial killers, pedophilia,
Speaker 3: you know. Mark Dutreaux is in that book, and Mick
Speaker 3: Martin is in that book, and John Benet is in
Speaker 3: that book. And so I read that chapter and I
Speaker 3: was astounded by the amount of information that's never actually
Speaker 3: given to the mainstream public. And I have some notes
Speaker 3: that I want to go over just from this book. Obviously,
Speaker 3: this is Dave's opinion based off of research that he's done.
Speaker 3: I expanded on it a little bit with my own research.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it is my opinion, and it
Speaker 3: is some speculation, but I feel like the parents and
Speaker 3: or the brother have already been convicted in the public opinion,
Speaker 3: so you know, that goes without being said. Everybody's kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, got their own opinion on what they think happened.
Speaker 3: So all we can do is go based on my
Speaker 3: favorite thing, forensics. That's a big one because forensics don't
Speaker 3: usually lie. They're you know, they're cut and dry. It
Speaker 3: is what it is. And then what we know about
Speaker 3: pop culture and the occult and how it all goes
Speaker 3: in together, because like you said, I think that there
Speaker 3: are breadcrumbs in the movie Eyes Wide Shut as to
Speaker 3: a pedophile ring operating, maybe even in or around Boulder,
Speaker 3: and it's been going on for a long time. And
Speaker 3: I don't think John Benet is actually a special case.
Speaker 3: She's special to us, but I think there have been many, many,
Speaker 3: many many John Benet's that we will just never know about.
Speaker 3: But yeah, thanks guys for having me. I'm excited to
Speaker 3: get into this one.
Speaker 1: There were I was reading today there were deaths surrounding
Speaker 1: this case. So John Benet wasn't vacuum. There was another
Speaker 1: guy egsat or something like that who died or that
Speaker 1: who was under investigate investigation, and then he mysteriously ends
Speaker 1: up dead. I forgot. Let me see if I can
Speaker 1: find him in my notes. But yeah, and it's connected
Speaker 1: to like this broader network I've done these network shows
Speaker 1: or like it's really something else.
Speaker 3: Well, are you guys familiar with the Wonderland.
Speaker 1: Raids a little bit? Can you go into the orchid
Speaker 1: in Wonderland Raids?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, So the Wonderland Raids are actually mentioned in
Speaker 3: Program to Kill as well. They were a it was
Speaker 3: like a task force that was uncovering pedophile networks and
Speaker 3: they called it the Wonderland Raids because as most of
Speaker 3: you know, what's the guy who wrote Alice in Wonderland's name?
Speaker 2: I always forgot Charles Dodgson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles Dodgson or Carroll is his alias or what
Speaker 3: his suitor name? But he uh obviously was a prolific pedophile,
Speaker 3: and so they named this this task force the Wonderland
Speaker 3: Raids because they were going after pedophiles. And there were
Speaker 3: quite a few instances where photographs of John Beney had
Speaker 3: been found on people's computer and John Bennet's father did
Speaker 3: own Access Graphics and was involved in who knows what
Speaker 3: with that, but it just seems like an odd coincidence
Speaker 3: that photos of her were circulating on pedophiles computers and
Speaker 3: he had gotten like a really big bonus that year
Speaker 3: that was the same amount as what was mentioned in
Speaker 3: the ransom note, almost down to the dollar. A lot
Speaker 3: of weird coincidences with that. When they searched the Ramsey home,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of video making equipments, almost like
Speaker 3: black magic cameras, like studio grade movie making equipment. So
Speaker 3: you could speculate and put two and two together that
Speaker 3: there may have been something more going on with that,
Speaker 3: but I don't know. The Wonderland Raids in and of themselves,
Speaker 3: were crazy because they found this network was not just
Speaker 3: isolated to one area, but it was all over the US,
Speaker 3: dozens and dozens and dozen. It was kind of like
Speaker 3: a podcast that I listened to called the clown and
Speaker 3: the candy Man, and it was about the pedophile network
Speaker 3: that that Johayne Gacy was working out of. And it
Speaker 3: was in Dallas, it was in you know, Chicago, it
Speaker 3: was in all these major cities and then communicated with
Speaker 3: each other and they exchanged information through like some weird
Speaker 3: peedo network. They even had like a like a comic
Speaker 3: book or like a thing that you could order that
Speaker 3: would just show up at your house. It was like
Speaker 3: Little Boys Weekly or something like that. And it just,
Speaker 3: I mean, the depravity is deep with this case, but
Speaker 3: I don't think it's an isolated case for sure.
Speaker 2: So Ken, let's just frame so John Banat Ramsey had
Speaker 2: to dress up like a showgirl with like feathers and
Speaker 2: all the makeup and dance in front of leering individuals,
Speaker 2: whether they'd be the parents or other people that just
Speaker 2: happened to pay it for a ticket to go see
Speaker 2: or whatever. So we know that anywhere there's children, there
Speaker 2: are pedophiles there that are predating on them, you know,
Speaker 2: especially if they're dressed up like sex pots. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean Tom Hanks is in the snl skit they're
Speaker 2: making fun of how yeah, you know, and we know
Speaker 2: about him, don't.
Speaker 1: We It's also they made fun of it in South
Speaker 1: Park too. They did a sequence of child pageants and
Speaker 1: basically every you know, oh is.
Speaker 3: That the one with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: They actually like panned to the parents and.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, well, you know the thing is that's weird
Speaker 3: about the pageants. And you know, this is not my opinion,
Speaker 3: but I did verify this. Listen to a podcast a
Speaker 3: while back where someone made the claim that none, not
Speaker 3: a one like, nary a pageant that John Bennet supposedly
Speaker 3: won it actually exists. There's no record of those pageants
Speaker 3: ever existing. There's no other competitors from any other years
Speaker 3: of those pageants ever existing. There's no you can google
Speaker 3: the pageants that she supposedly won. There's no previous years
Speaker 3: of little girls winning. There's no years after that of
Speaker 3: little girls winning. These pageants do not exist. Little Miss Charlavoy,
Speaker 3: little Miss Sunshine Peach, whatever, these pageants do not exist.
Speaker 3: And I actually, because I could not find any record
Speaker 3: of these pageants existing, I googled a pageant that I
Speaker 3: was in as a little girl, because my mom was
Speaker 3: not a peto or anything. But you know, the pageants
Speaker 3: come around. You got a Southern mom and she puts
Speaker 3: you in this shit. I had no choice. I was
Speaker 3: like six years old. Anyways, It's called little Miss grape
Speaker 3: Bet and it's from my area of Ohio is known
Speaker 3: for like grapes and you know, wine and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So it was like a little Miss grape Bet pageant.
Speaker 3: There is record of years of the girls who won
Speaker 3: before me, after me, the year I was in it.
Speaker 3: There's pictures, there's websites, it's easily available if you want
Speaker 3: the information on that pageant. None narry a one pageant
Speaker 3: that John Benet was supposedly the winner of. There is
Speaker 3: no record of these pageants ever existing outside of John Benet.
Speaker 1: So were they just making these pageants up as.
Speaker 3: Like they're private pageants their pride?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah so, or though so the victory is preset
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's almost like.
Speaker 1: A fake thing.
Speaker 3: It's the so it's she's like the Queen Bee of
Speaker 3: and and that's you know, usually would they pick you, you
Speaker 3: end up dying in some weird sacrificial way at the
Speaker 3: end of it. But you know, it's like she's in
Speaker 3: all these private pageants and then we see what happened
Speaker 3: to her it's like an auction almost, like you are
Speaker 3: auctioning off the prized pig at the fair or something
Speaker 3: like that. It's yeah, so I think that it's made
Speaker 3: to make them feel special. I think that it's made
Speaker 3: to kind of parade about the prize pig. And then
Speaker 3: you know, obviously, uh, not saying for sure this is
Speaker 3: what happened, but we know she's dead now and it
Speaker 3: was not like a peaceful uh you know, she didn't
Speaker 3: have an asthma attack, that she was brutalized. So just
Speaker 3: going off of the information we have in the fact
Speaker 3: that these pageants don't exist outside of her, you can
Speaker 3: only imagine what's really going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's dark. According to Grock, there was a pageant
Speaker 1: from ninety three to ninety six and that was it. It
Speaker 1: says like that, this says that Miss Little Miss Charlotte
Speaker 1: Boy pageant was a child body competition nineteen ninety three
Speaker 1: seven year old Jessica nagel One was held over the
Speaker 1: fourth of July went weekend with aligning with summer festivities
Speaker 1: in the areas such as the Charlotte wah Venetian Festival
Speaker 1: small Field. There were only three participants.
Speaker 3: Three okay, all right.
Speaker 1: John Benet Ramsey won the title in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3: And then there was no year after that.
Speaker 1: Following John Beanne's murder nineteen ninety six, the pageant distributed
Speaker 1: to something. There's no evidence that it continues to there's
Speaker 1: no evidence after her death and what she died in
Speaker 1: what ninety six?
Speaker 2: Maybe she spoiled it by dying I think.
Speaker 1: So she won in ninety five and died a year later.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 3: There was also a really odd amount of pageants won
Speaker 3: by John Maine. I'm going to google it really quick.
Speaker 3: How many pageants did John Beney win.
Speaker 2: On the books? Like on the record?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many on the books?
Speaker 2: How many beyond that? We don't know? Like like Brice
Speaker 2: Taylor was sold to UH to Bob Hope and Henry
Speaker 2: Kissinger together. She was displayed on a stage with feathers
Speaker 2: like a show girl, and she asked her handler what
Speaker 2: she's doing there, and he said, we are You are
Speaker 2: the Cadillac of mind control. Basically, you are Cadillac and
Speaker 2: we're showing you off. And then that was when she
Speaker 2: got sold. She was like the little dance and it's
Speaker 2: it's an auction, just like Julius.
Speaker 3: Well, I have another story about that too. So according
Speaker 3: to Google, there is no definitive total number of pageants
Speaker 3: she entered, which is odd no definitive number, right, but
Speaker 3: they have little Miss Royal Miss, Little Miss Charlavoy, Little
Speaker 3: Miss Colorado, Colorado State All Star Kids, Cover Girl, and
Speaker 3: National Tiny Miss Beauty, and I googled several of these
Speaker 3: and I couldn't really find anything on them. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like that person that I heard on a podcast
Speaker 3: talking about there's not a lot of information on them,
Speaker 3: like they never existed except for I guess that one
Speaker 3: for a couple of years and somehing.
Speaker 1: It's like a flash in the pan, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean, she's supposed to be six when
Speaker 3: she dies. How did she a pageant a year? Right?
Speaker 3: When did? When? When would she have started? So right here?
Speaker 3: That's one, two, three, four five right here. So once
Speaker 3: you start in utero winning these pageants, the pageants season
Speaker 3: is once a year, it's not like she could have won,
Speaker 3: Like really, think about that one, two, three four five
Speaker 3: listed right here. She's only six years old. When do
Speaker 3: they start letting them in pageants? So when they're one, like,
Speaker 3: when how was she able to win all of these,
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense actually for the timeline. So another
Speaker 3: thing is, and you may have heard of this story.
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with Heather or' rourke little girl? Unfortunately?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: So have you heard the story of what probably happened
Speaker 3: to her?
Speaker 1: She was to death?
Speaker 3: Yes, But they made her come out and do a dance, right,
Speaker 3: They made her do like a little hula girl dance
Speaker 3: and dress in a bikini, and the there was a
Speaker 3: lot of like producers and directors there supposedly, right, I
Speaker 3: wasn't there, But this is the accusation. And so John Benet,
Speaker 3: Heather or Rourke, it's not an isolated event. And obviously
Speaker 3: you were talking about someone you know, Sean who was
Speaker 3: auctioned off kind of in this way as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean it's the nameless, faceless little girls
Speaker 3: that make my stomach sick because it could literally be
Speaker 3: your daughter, your sister, your niece, your whoever. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if we would know the name John Benet
Speaker 3: outside of her murder. So it's like they become infamous
Speaker 3: in death. Right, good point. But how many little girls
Speaker 3: do we not know about?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Good point. And that's why so many of those
Speaker 2: victims are out there saying the truth of so that
Speaker 2: everybody can remember the nameless ones that burned alive or
Speaker 2: fed to the dogs or whatever else.
Speaker 3: Hap yeah, yeah, one hundred William. And you know, before
Speaker 3: I had my own baby, I used to talk about
Speaker 3: this stuff and I would, you know, empathize, and I
Speaker 3: would say how horrible it would be that this would
Speaker 3: happen to children, and it would make my stomach sick.
Speaker 3: Especially reading about the mc martin stuff. I wanted to
Speaker 3: throw up. But now that I have my own baby,
Speaker 3: I cannot believe that there are actually like Satanic cults
Speaker 3: that would offer their own children into something like this.
Speaker 3: It makes me want to literally throw up and cry
Speaker 3: at the same time, Like it's unfathomable to me that
Speaker 3: they consider it an honor to almost raise their kids
Speaker 3: into this and then it's like eyes wide shut at
Speaker 3: the end, it's like an honor for them to raise
Speaker 3: their kid into this and then kind of like auction
Speaker 3: them off to the highest bidder, because that's the privilege
Speaker 3: of being a part of this cult. Is like you
Speaker 3: know what's coming. It's like they're raised for the slaughter almost,
Speaker 3: and it is absolutely stomach churning it's sickening.
Speaker 2: Just like the Canaanites and the Phoenicians killing their own children,
Speaker 2: feeding them with the moloc fire, you know, putting a
Speaker 2: mask on the on the kids and the crying mother.
Speaker 2: They're the smiley face. You know. It's really deep and
Speaker 2: dark and super dark.
Speaker 3: And that's what's Oh, go ahead, William.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like, for people who don't know,
Speaker 1: there's a weird connection of the Ramsey family to Oak Island.
Speaker 1: And Charla boy is at the very north, so like
Speaker 1: when the summer comes, Michigan isn't cold anymore, so people
Speaker 1: go to the north in summer, so they would go,
Speaker 1: but Oak Island is like ten miles away. And that
Speaker 1: is a very well known case, very well studied, connected
Speaker 1: to the Oak Island murders that happened in Detroit back
Speaker 1: when Detroit was a functioning city and super dark, like
Speaker 1: elite pedophile networks right like, and people who went to
Speaker 1: one guy fled to the Netherlands and never got caught.
Speaker 1: And then Ramsey, Bennett Ramsey, that's John Bannay's dad. His
Speaker 1: dad was involved in like putting together the this is
Speaker 1: already verified. He's putting together the landing place or whatever,
Speaker 1: the airport for Oak Island and Charlotte Boys like right there.
Speaker 1: So actually, my understanding, according to the information I got
Speaker 1: today is after the death of John Bennet, the dad
Speaker 1: and the mom to Charlet Boy, like that's where they went.
Speaker 1: They went right after her death in December.
Speaker 3: It's like I said, it's it's like an honor for
Speaker 3: them too. Because Patsy was in the pageant system her
Speaker 3: whole life. People talked about her being in the pageant
Speaker 3: system coming from like some old Virginia money, some you know,
Speaker 3: rich people find time crazy, you know, satanic cult, underground
Speaker 3: network thing probably, but it's speculating, speculating.
Speaker 1: Do you think that she was part of the abuse system?
Speaker 1: Do you think the mother?
Speaker 3: I absolutely do, I absolutely do.
Speaker 2: My opinion that she was like auctioned off and he
Speaker 2: was the purchaser like he was. He was a gift.
Speaker 2: She was a gift to him. Yes, to make a
Speaker 2: breeding situation.
Speaker 1: That's super much. That's a second wife too, right, second wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a strange imagination. It's just my imagination.
Speaker 3: Well think about this, Okay, think about this. This This
Speaker 3: is my hypothesis. This is Julia talking, not William, not Sean.
Speaker 3: This is my opinion. I own this. This is my hypothesis.
Speaker 3: There was a Christmas party, Christmas Eve party thrown at
Speaker 3: one of the elite of Moulder Colorado Society. His name
Speaker 3: is Fleet White. Okay, So Patsy and John take their
Speaker 3: two children to this party, this Christmas Eve party, and
Speaker 3: at some point a nine to one one call was placed. Okay.
Speaker 3: They won't say what the nine one one call was about.
Speaker 3: They won't eve. Nobody even wants to admit there was
Speaker 3: a nine one one call. There is no freaking information
Speaker 3: on the nine to one one call from Christmas Eve.
Speaker 3: Then supposedly they wake up on Christmas morning after that
Speaker 3: party and they are like, oh, our daughter is missing,
Speaker 3: YadA YadA, fake ransom note in my opinion, three pages long.
Speaker 3: Does it make any sense? Uh? Speculatively could have been
Speaker 3: in Patsy's handwriting, Uh, with a pad and a pencil
Speaker 3: found from the pat the Ramsey Zone writing desk. Whatever
Speaker 3: my speculation.
Speaker 2: Brush from their desk to it was.
Speaker 3: All stuff from inside the house. Because that's what serial
Speaker 3: killers do is they find stuff around the house and
Speaker 3: then they and then they study the mom's handwriting and
Speaker 3: they try to make it look like, Yeah, that's because
Speaker 3: that's what's you know, when you're breaking into somebody's house,
Speaker 3: you have time to do all that makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense.
Speaker 2: Whatever, So don't look there.
Speaker 3: My speculation, my hypothesis, is that she actually died at
Speaker 3: the Christmas Eve party. They brought her body back home
Speaker 3: that night, staged the note what they were going to
Speaker 3: say on the nine to one one call YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: They may not have actually killed her, but I do
Speaker 3: believe that she succumbed on Ristmas Eve night at the
Speaker 3: Christmas Eve party with the elite of Boulder society and attendance.
Speaker 3: There could have been a big wig there, that was
Speaker 3: the prize catch. It could have been an accident. Things
Speaker 3: got a little too out at hand. They accidentally killed her,
Speaker 3: as makes a lot of sense. Why the sloppy cover
Speaker 3: job with the body being found in the basement after
Speaker 3: the and the first person allowed to come to the
Speaker 3: Ramsays home before the police even got there was Fleet White,
Speaker 3: the guy who hosted the Christmas party the night before.
Speaker 3: Why is he there and why is he allowed in
Speaker 3: the house. It's a crime scene.
Speaker 2: Yes, didn't they invite him and other people to come
Speaker 2: touch the body. They all touched her body, so the DNA, that's.
Speaker 1: Even more creepy. That's so creepy.
Speaker 2: So it's acknowledged for why my DNA is on her body.
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's so creepy. And they they've admitted that the
Speaker 1: police bungled, you know, that's what they termed it, bungled
Speaker 1: the investigation by polluting the crime scene. Then never, they
Speaker 1: should have shut off the whole place. And they were like, like,
Speaker 1: this is a textbook example bungling a crime scene. Like
Speaker 1: letting the dad find the body is crazy.
Speaker 3: They let fleet White and the dad search the home
Speaker 3: for the body. Fleet White and the dad touched the
Speaker 3: body before there was any forensics done. They moved the
Speaker 3: body from the original location it was found. And they
Speaker 3: after they found the body, they allowed John Ramsey to
Speaker 3: leave the home for upwards of two hours to run
Speaker 3: errands quote unquote, because that's what I would be thinking about,
Speaker 3: is returning the fucking Blockbuster films right after, like they
Speaker 3: just found my daughter's corpse in the basement, Like, what
Speaker 3: are you talking about? I have to run errands. They
Speaker 3: let him leave the home for two hours after the
Speaker 3: discovery of the body, for reason is unknown. He said
Speaker 3: he was running errands. Weird time to grow grocery shopping
Speaker 3: on Christmas Day right after your dead daughter's found in
Speaker 3: the basement brutalized. But okay, do you John, Things are
Speaker 3: not adding up. Things do not make sense for a
Speaker 3: grieving father. It just seems to me that there was
Speaker 3: most likely a sloppy covered job to cover an accidental death. Now,
Speaker 3: there were stun gun marks found on the body. There
Speaker 3: were stun gun marks on her body in previous photographs
Speaker 3: of her, so it's not like that was a one
Speaker 3: time occurrence. It suggests that there had been prolonged abuse.
Speaker 3: She also was a bedwetter. That also is a hallmark
Speaker 3: sign of sexual abuse. There was blood found in the underwear,
Speaker 3: and William correct me if I'm wrong. I think it
Speaker 3: was maybe Sarah. Weck said that her vaginal opening was
Speaker 3: two times the size it should be for a girl
Speaker 3: her age, and that there was epithelial erosion in her vaginas.
Speaker 3: So you tell me, because they say that there was
Speaker 3: nothing going on, that somebody just broke in the house
Speaker 3: and then hit her body in the basement. There is
Speaker 3: way more to this story. Forensics will tell you that
Speaker 3: the nine to one to one call placed the night
Speaker 3: before should tell you that the father leaving the home.
Speaker 3: These are questions that never get answered. It's like, what
Speaker 3: really is going on here? It's not cut and dry, Sarah.
Speaker 1: What said, based upon his medical examination, somebody would have
Speaker 1: been arrested. I think that's what he said, Like, yep,
Speaker 1: it was. There was evidence of a crime there, So
Speaker 1: why isn't this happening? And that's super dark? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is an incredibly dark story, like in the connections
Speaker 1: of all the stuff and like this underworld and moving
Speaker 1: around and flying around in Oak Island, and the fact
Speaker 1: that he's from like Detroit, and there's like people missing
Speaker 1: in Detroit, Like there were young boys and girls and
Speaker 1: kids who died. They never I don't think they ever
Speaker 1: caught anybody. The guy who died around the John Bennet
Speaker 1: thing was two months later, a guy by the name
Speaker 1: of Michael Hellgoth shot himself the day after District Attorney
Speaker 1: Alex Hunter announced they were going to closing in on
Speaker 1: the killer. Like it was so weird too, like there
Speaker 1: were always.
Speaker 3: Now Alex Hunter is a whole nother story because he
Speaker 3: later worked with the Ramseys after he said there was
Speaker 3: not enough evidence to prosecute them, and that he didn't
Speaker 3: want to take it to trial. He later ended up
Speaker 3: working for the Ramseys. Okay, a lot of people in
Speaker 3: this case ended up working for the Ramses later on. Okay.
Speaker 3: Is a whole other problem with this case is the
Speaker 3: guy who kept saying there was no evidence to take
Speaker 3: the Ramseys to trial, he later ended up working for them.
Speaker 3: So that's if that's not a conflict of interest. I
Speaker 3: don't know what is. Because you can't put your neck
Speaker 3: out for these people and then go work for them
Speaker 3: and then not have people put two and two together.
Speaker 3: That that's weird. You know a lot of people in
Speaker 3: this case it actually were involved with the Ramseys in
Speaker 3: some way. But what else bothers me and William Sean
Speaker 3: google it. The Ramseys never received a death certificate for
Speaker 3: John Beney, never received an official death certificate for John Benay.
Speaker 3: They even went on a talk show kind of like
Speaker 3: Ellen or something for the nineties, I can't remember what
Speaker 3: it was, and they said on the talk show, we
Speaker 3: have never received a death certificate for our daughter. Is
Speaker 3: that maybe they didn't want to put the official cause
Speaker 3: of death out there in the open for everybody to see.
Speaker 3: Maybe because John Benay no longer belonged to them at
Speaker 3: that point, somebody else got the death certificate. You know,
Speaker 3: it's there's a lot of questions that go unanswered here.
Speaker 3: Why aren't the parents receiving a death certificate if it
Speaker 3: was just somebody broke in the house, choked her out
Speaker 3: and then hit her body in the basement.
Speaker 2: And why would they say it on TV?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They they literally went on tea. So another problem
Speaker 3: is that I watched a documentary on Amazon where some
Speaker 3: researchers came together and they said that there is a
Speaker 3: lot of evidence this is not my opinion that the
Speaker 3: brother Burke had something to do with her murder. And
Speaker 3: you know when you watch a documentary with like the
Speaker 3: agenda has already been set that all the evidence is
Speaker 3: going to point to the direction by the end of it,
Speaker 3: you're like, Oh, I guess I could see where that
Speaker 3: could be plausible. In my opinion, I don't think he
Speaker 3: had anything to do with it. I actually watched him
Speaker 3: on Doctor Phil as an adult talking about it. I
Speaker 3: think his mind has been erased. I think he's been
Speaker 3: part of the program all along. He looked like he
Speaker 3: was heavily medicated all throughout the like the fiasco. Anytime
Speaker 3: he was seen, you know, photographs taken of him or
Speaker 3: videos taken of him, he looked doped up, almost like
Speaker 3: they were pacifying him. So I think, you know, he
Speaker 3: probably saw what happened to her and they had to
Speaker 3: like clear his mind so he had no memory of it.
Speaker 3: There is even an interview where somebody is talking to
Speaker 3: him about John Benay and he said, I had a
Speaker 3: sister like he like he was he didn't even remember
Speaker 3: he had a sister, Like it's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So that's like he's got alters. He was probably built
Speaker 2: that way, Like that's traumatic trauma based mind control. One
Speaker 2: of the ways of doing their business is to do
Speaker 2: electric electrocution with the stun gun and they put it
Speaker 2: right on the base of their spine and it like
Speaker 2: goes up to their brain and like wild. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it all, but it's
Speaker 2: like it's it's part of it, just like the ect
Speaker 2: that William and I were talking about with the electro
Speaker 2: convulsive therapy, and that's you know, that's featured in one
Speaker 2: flow with Cougo's nest where you know where to control
Speaker 2: the person so that they don't act out anymore, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's it. There's a lot more
Speaker 2: science to just making you numb. It's uh we. I
Speaker 2: even spoke to a non omus uh this is pen name,
Speaker 2: I guess. He was with Jerry Marzinski on my show
Speaker 2: and he talked about how ect actually did quiet the
Speaker 2: voices of schizophrenia. He was a schizophrenic and it did help.
Speaker 2: He was like, oh, it's great, and I was like, wow, really,
Speaker 2: But it's also a torture for children in trauma based
Speaker 2: my control, also known as satanic ritual abuse. Same old,
Speaker 2: same story We've been talking about forever.
Speaker 3: Well, you know the thing about I recently did a
Speaker 3: four part series about mental illness on my show and
Speaker 3: we talked about the electro whatever you know when they zapya,
Speaker 3: And we were also talking about lobotomies and how it's
Speaker 3: frowned upon now obviously to stick an ice pick in
Speaker 3: somebody's brain. But I feel like they have just they
Speaker 3: continue to lebottomize people. But I feel like they just
Speaker 3: chemically lobottomized people. I feel like there's a concerted effort
Speaker 3: with pharmaceuticals to you shut down your brain and specific
Speaker 3: parts of the brain, so it's like a chemically induced lobotomy.
Speaker 3: I think that they just get slick about the ways
Speaker 3: that they that they're doing stuff, and that's that's like
Speaker 3: the same thing with this case. It's like they there
Speaker 3: are still this happened in what nineteen ninety six? Right
Speaker 3: since nineteen ninety six, it's like, oh, well, that was
Speaker 3: a really bad thing that happened to that little girl,
Speaker 3: and it's like, dude, it happens literally every day. They
Speaker 3: just get more slick about how they do it, and
Speaker 3: now we don't know about it as much because it
Speaker 3: happens to be that they move in phases, right. The
Speaker 3: sixties was like rolling out the weird serial killer program,
Speaker 3: you know, with the Charles Mansons and the you know
Speaker 3: xyz and the program to killishness, and then it was like, okay,
Speaker 3: we're done with that. Now it's cults. Now, it's school shooters. Now,
Speaker 3: it's you know this. They move in like weird phases.
Speaker 3: I think John Mainey is like one of those things like,
Speaker 3: oh well, let's not do that again. Look, we caused
Speaker 3: a public outrage. We got to get smarter about how
Speaker 3: we do this now. But there have been many a
Speaker 3: John beinet since then.
Speaker 2: Don't you think that the John Bine thing being so
Speaker 2: public was just a whoops? Its public?
Speaker 3: I think it was this horribly sloppy cover job and
Speaker 3: people saw a bunch of holes in this story, right,
Speaker 3: and it haunts people.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it bubbled up into the public by accident,
Speaker 2: and it was supposed to be occulted and stay underground,
Speaker 2: you know, like.
Speaker 3: I think so, I think that they would have loved
Speaker 3: for it to fly under the radar. None of their
Speaker 3: stories even matched up. This is not this is something
Speaker 3: anybody can go look for. The Ramsey said on an
Speaker 3: interview that the police never put crime scene tape up.
Speaker 3: They said on an interview, the police never put crime
Speaker 3: scene tape up. And every picture you google of the
Speaker 3: house has fucking crime scene tape up. It's like they
Speaker 3: don't even know what the cover story is. It's like
Speaker 3: somebody else came up with it and they're still learning
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 2: Like. But I mean, that's just like nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: It's all a bunch of crap that they throw at us,
Speaker 2: like jet fuel, melted steel. Sure, okay, we believe it
Speaker 2: just because you're told to believe it, Okay.
Speaker 3: Right, But they found the passports is the thing, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It's like they can't get there.
Speaker 2: It's so real.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, it melt. Everybody melted, and it was
Speaker 3: a horrible explosion. But we found this passport here in
Speaker 3: the rubble. It's like.
Speaker 2: Dust, Like everything's.
Speaker 3: Dust except for this fucking passport right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, another thing that's interesting to me that I bring
Speaker 3: up often and so does my husband is the Franklin scandal.
Speaker 3: And I'm you guys are both familiar with the Franklin scandal,
Speaker 3: So you would not believe the amount of people I
Speaker 3: talked to about that who have never heard about it
Speaker 3: have no clue, I mean, and it to me, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, it's one of the craziest scandals of all time.
Speaker 3: I mean, with Paul Banasi and John DeCamp and like
Speaker 3: that whole network of petos and somebody who gets mentioned
Speaker 3: in both the John Bennet and Franklin scandal is Hunter S. Thompson?
Speaker 1: Really right? Talk about the how was how was well?
Speaker 1: Hunter lived in Colorado? Right right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He did. So I want to read you a quote
Speaker 3: from Hunter S. Thompson that's going to blow your freaking
Speaker 3: brain hole.
Speaker 1: I think I might beat you to it. I might
Speaker 1: know this one. This is the one where he admits
Speaker 1: to Satanic.
Speaker 3: This one's even better. William all right, this is straight
Speaker 3: from the horse's mouth, Okay, Hunter s Thompson, all right.
Speaker 3: Autumn is always a time of fear and greed and
Speaker 3: hoarding for the winter coming on. Debt collectors are active
Speaker 3: on old people and fleece the week and helpless. They
Speaker 3: want to lay in enough cash to whether the known
Speaker 3: horrors of January and February. Da da da da da.
Speaker 3: There is always a rash of kidnappings and abductions of
Speaker 3: school children. In the football months. Preteens of both sexes
Speaker 3: are traditionally seized and grabbed off the streets by gangs
Speaker 3: of organized perverts who traditionally give them as Christmas gifts
Speaker 3: to each other to be personal sex slaves and playthings.
Speaker 3: So that's from Hunter.
Speaker 1: The quote that I remember.
Speaker 2: There's one word he says that he was running for
Speaker 2: government too.
Speaker 1: That's right, the freak Party. There's another quote that's super
Speaker 1: dark too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, because he starts off talking about like, oh, the
Speaker 3: debt collectors and old people and da da da, and
Speaker 3: then at the end he's talking about pedophiles abducting kids
Speaker 3: off the street and giving them to each other as
Speaker 3: as Christmas gifts. No less, uh John Benet anyone? Literally
Speaker 3: he said they give them to each other as Christmas gifts.
Speaker 3: I think that's what John Benet was but they took
Speaker 3: it a little too far. Whoopsie killed her.
Speaker 2: They were just touring her out and she just happened
Speaker 2: to die.
Speaker 1: The reason why we don't know exactly what happened spectic.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of speculation here, So those are all opinions.
Speaker 3: Something happened to where they called nine one one that night,
Speaker 3: which makes me hypothesize it was an accident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were freaking out and then it just happens.
Speaker 2: Who because it's natural to want to call for help,
Speaker 2: like my baby.
Speaker 3: The details of that call have never been made public.
Speaker 3: Also why I think something is afoot there.
Speaker 2: And we all know that there are dirty cops out
Speaker 2: there that take money, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, here's here's the other thing that I
Speaker 1: didn't know about this case. But I've done a lot
Speaker 1: of research, like way too much research into the West
Speaker 1: Memphis three and the thing that makes my hair stand
Speaker 1: up in the back of my head is that John
Speaker 1: Douglas worked for the family, work for the Benet family,
Speaker 1: and his work on the West Memphis Street is so dark,
Speaker 1: it's so bad. Like I wrote my own article on
Speaker 1: it's about him, like he there's something wrong with him,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like he's not operating in an
Speaker 1: honest fashion. In my opinion, douglas Ism, and you have
Speaker 1: to read it like he turned people. He turned people's
Speaker 1: opinions about what happened to the West Memphistry. That's like
Speaker 1: one of the great mysteries of the West Memphistry, maybe
Speaker 1: John Biney too, is that there's so many people colluding
Speaker 1: and coordinating stories and things like that that the average
Speaker 1: person just cannot grasp. But there's that behind the curtain,
Speaker 1: collusion and coordination. But West Memphistry, that's what's so confusing,
Speaker 1: is like these people are all saying this thing. How
Speaker 1: could we think that any of them are lying? Right,
Speaker 1: That's the great thing of mystery. That's how they actually,
Speaker 1: you know, propagandized the public till ninety ninety five percent
Speaker 1: that think that they were convicted of the crime they
Speaker 1: didn't weren't involved in.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm almost like when I said, hey, these guys are
Speaker 1: still convicts, Like we know the case. It's different than
Speaker 1: John Beney. West Memphis three were actually prosecuted and then
Speaker 1: they were tried and convicted again in twenty eleven, like
Speaker 1: and they signed on the dotted line with the best attorneys.
Speaker 1: So it's a very different case than John Beney with
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bakeries and speculation and opinions and like,
Speaker 1: I don't think the kid was involved, the work kid,
Speaker 1: but there's something else really strange about it. There's no
Speaker 1: question about it. But the fact that John Douglas is involved.
Speaker 1: I'll post that article John Douglas in West Memphis three.
Speaker 1: It'll blow your mind, Like the real facts of what
Speaker 1: he was doing. Now he's involved in John Beney. It's
Speaker 1: like it's a gigantic red flag for me. It's off
Speaker 1: the charts.
Speaker 2: So that's his job, right, that's his job to steer
Speaker 2: the public, uh, the public view of you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So they in a case, they use them
Speaker 2: in the other case, and you look at like, who
Speaker 2: who are the people? Like all the Hollywood people are
Speaker 2: putting Damien Echols up on a pedestal because because he
Speaker 2: is the black magician who did the bad thing, and
Speaker 2: he's not even saying he didn't do it, and they're
Speaker 2: giving him the reward of all the fame and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's a black magic death cult. Okay,
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 3: And this is actually well, I agree with you, Sean.
Speaker 3: And to William's point, that happened in the OJ case
Speaker 3: and the Scott Peterson case where you see the same
Speaker 3: people popping up in the trial. And like with the
Speaker 3: OJ case, I actually did an episode because I was
Speaker 3: one hundred percent convinced that OJ did that shit. I
Speaker 3: was willing to die on that hill. And if you
Speaker 3: look at it, if you really look at the evidence,
Speaker 3: and you really look at all this stuff that they say,
Speaker 3: like the accusations and everything, and the people involved in
Speaker 3: the trial, and then you look at the Scott Peterson
Speaker 3: isle and the same people are popping up, you gotta
Speaker 3: ask yourself, is this part of the program? Kill the
Speaker 3: sacrifice the wife, right, Lacy Peterson was pregnant, okay, and
Speaker 3: then blame the husband. It's like you see that over
Speaker 3: and over and over and over again, and like the
Speaker 3: same weird people popping up in the trial. Is like,
Speaker 3: how does this person go from oj to Scott Peterson
Speaker 3: to this case to this case, and it's always like
Speaker 3: the husband gets blamed, the wife gets sacrificed in some
Speaker 3: kind of weird, bloody ritual. Right, And what people don't
Speaker 3: know is even like in and around the time that
Speaker 3: Lacy Peterson died, there was like three or four other
Speaker 3: pregnant women about the same gestation, about eight months pregnant
Speaker 3: that also got found in bays with their heads cut off,
Speaker 3: with their babies removed. But they have to have a monster, right,
Speaker 3: Peterson is the monster. There's no way there's a satanic
Speaker 3: cult running through uh, you know, Modesto California, hacking up
Speaker 3: pregnant bitches, Like they don't want to say that. Just
Speaker 3: look at Scott. Everybody, look at Scott. That's what they
Speaker 3: did with John Benney. Everybody look over here, look over here.
Speaker 3: Don't look at there's a possible satanic cult running through Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 3: Don't look at that. It's all here, look right here.
Speaker 3: So I mean, it's the same playbook.
Speaker 2: Do you think maybe they were of the same gestation
Speaker 2: time because they were all at the same ritual being
Speaker 2: impregnated at the same time.
Speaker 1: That is that's dark.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's what JJ Vance said when I talked
Speaker 3: to him about it, because they're all part of these
Speaker 3: freaking sex cults and the weirdness. And there was like
Speaker 3: neo Nazi guys that testified against Scott Peterson. There was
Speaker 3: you know, Scott Peterson was involved in like like hydrogenized
Speaker 3: something or other that's used to make meth in stuff
Speaker 3: like that. It's like there's drugs, there's Nazis, there's all
Speaker 3: this stuff that comes up, but nobody ever hears about that.
Speaker 3: Same with the OJ thing, it's like why are It's
Speaker 3: like always look at the husband and don't ever look
Speaker 3: at these elite people. The son of Bill Colby, the guy,
Speaker 3: the CIA guy, the Phoenix Program guy, the son of
Speaker 3: Bill Colby testified at OJ's trial. Why like, how are
Speaker 3: you involved? Like why are you even here?
Speaker 1: What was his connection?
Speaker 3: He lived next door?
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so wild.
Speaker 3: William, I'm telling you this is I mean, Sean, I've
Speaker 3: talked to you about this before, but there is cults
Speaker 3: running America. Okay, they're murdering bitches, pregnant bitches, children, they're
Speaker 3: raping your kids, they're doing all this stuff. But when
Speaker 3: it goes to trial. It's always the husband or the parents,
Speaker 3: or it's always like they have to have a bad guy.
Speaker 3: So as long as you focus on who whoever they
Speaker 3: they give you as the bad guy, Henry le Lucas
Speaker 3: the serial killers, you have to have a bad guy, right,
Speaker 3: there cannot be any attention drawn to the cult behind
Speaker 3: the man. That is the problem.
Speaker 2: It's funny that Roman Polanski was out of town when
Speaker 2: his pregnant wife got murdered by the culture, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: so he couldn't be the bad guy, right, but they
Speaker 2: so they had to depending on this other guy that
Speaker 2: was just like a little yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know that that whole thing is is Cia
Speaker 3: out the door with the Manson family. It is all
Speaker 3: and you know they they use mental institutions, I think,
Speaker 3: to look for people to be part of these programs.
Speaker 3: You know, Herb Mullen, Edmund Kemper, ed Gian, Charles Manson,
Speaker 3: Richard Chase, they were all in and out of mental
Speaker 3: institutions before they began their massive killings.
Speaker 2: And the military like you know yeah Mills, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And they go to the same military bases too as
Speaker 2: the other one. The same programming for something in Germany
Speaker 2: there with with the Dahmer and was it Kemper or whatever?
Speaker 2: Like they both and they're both eating definitely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know I personality yeah right, program to
Speaker 3: kill right, Yes, program to kill.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I recently watched that new ed Gian show on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Everybody you know has been talking about it. It's you know,
Speaker 3: and and the thing is is they give you the monster, right,
Speaker 3: that's the monster. That's who they want you to focus on.
Speaker 3: But if you do your research and you really look
Speaker 3: into it. In this area of Wisconsin where Jeffrey Dahmer
Speaker 3: was ripping and running and ed Gian, there have been
Speaker 3: satanic cults in that area for forever long. And I
Speaker 3: don't think ed Gahan or Jeffrey Dahmer were singular in
Speaker 3: their rippon in cannibalism and necrophilia. Oh what, they just
Speaker 3: have that in common. And they both are from Wisconsin
Speaker 3: in the same area. Uh. Okay, that's a total coincidence.
Speaker 3: There should be black magic, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: come on, guys, Like satanic cults have been running this
Speaker 3: country since its inception. Okay, so this is no different
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, government, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the medical industrial complex is satanic. Okay, in nature,
Speaker 3: a lot of it, you know. And it's like with
Speaker 3: this case in particular, what bothers me the most is
Speaker 3: how ritualistic in nature the killing itself was. It's blatantly
Speaker 3: obvious in my opinion when you look at it, I
Speaker 3: mean Christmas, Uh, the pageantry, the stories are not adding up.
Speaker 3: The bruises, the the underwear, the party the night before
Speaker 3: the nine one one call Hunter s Thompson making weird
Speaker 3: freaking statements about giving children to each other as Christmas
Speaker 3: gifts as sexual playthings. Okay, he also, by the way,
Speaker 3: raped his cat, Hunter S. Thompson, just so you know,
Speaker 3: he was into best reality.
Speaker 2: So cat survives.
Speaker 3: He wrote it. He wrote it in a book, and
Speaker 3: he put the cat on the picture on the on
Speaker 3: the cover.
Speaker 2: Of the book.
Speaker 1: Reading something.
Speaker 3: The cat and what his own cat. His cat's name
Speaker 3: was Screwjack or something like that.
Speaker 2: The book ironic name.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you you got.
Speaker 2: I mean, we know that, like the rapes, dogs and
Speaker 2: stuff in front of everybody like, hey.
Speaker 3: This is rich people, fun time. That's what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to tell you, guys. Is like going all the way
Speaker 3: back into history with the royal families. The weirdness that
Speaker 3: you know, blood drinking and excinguination and bathing in the
Speaker 3: blood and all this stuff that they do. It goes
Speaker 3: all the way back.
Speaker 2: And the magic is the magic, life force is in
Speaker 2: the blood. Right, you got the sex and the blood.
Speaker 2: Those are the two kinds of dark magic. Like you know,
Speaker 2: you rape them and then you kill them and you
Speaker 2: eat them, right, you know, it's total domination of the other.
Speaker 2: Both of those things are possession, ownership and domination. Like
Speaker 2: it's not even sex. It's just like, you know, I think.
Speaker 3: This is almost like a means to an end. It's
Speaker 3: like when you hear about celebrities being petos or whatever,
Speaker 3: and you look at these like big names like Tom Hanks,
Speaker 3: et cetera, and you hear these stories about them, it
Speaker 3: almost makes you wonder. Like in the beginning, like when
Speaker 3: they're offered this Faustian bargain, it's like they they did
Speaker 3: they did this sex as a means to an end.
Speaker 3: It probably nauseated them to have to do it. It's
Speaker 3: like whatever. But like I think some of them are
Speaker 3: into it, and I think over time they become more
Speaker 3: interested in just doing it and it's just normal to them.
Speaker 3: It's like going to you know, Walmart, to get your
Speaker 3: groceries on it too. Oh I gotta rape Sally again.
Speaker 3: Like they just get used to it as a part
Speaker 3: of their life. It's like, no, biggie, this is what
Speaker 3: we do. This is you know. And so yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I think you desensitize yourself over time.
Speaker 2: Peto who just got murdered in prison over there in England,
Speaker 2: the guy from the Lost Watkins.
Speaker 1: That's an unbelievable story. That's a whole other show, but
Speaker 1: that one is super his.
Speaker 2: Computer the team at the police had to decipher his
Speaker 2: computer password was I f U c K I d Z.
Speaker 1: That's what he wrote. Had no conscience about.
Speaker 2: It, and like, you know, you would tell the mothers
Speaker 2: if you if I own you, I own your children too,
Speaker 2: like and they're like, okay, giving it up to the idol,
Speaker 2: you know, just like whatever.
Speaker 3: The problem that's the problem is is the eyes wide
Speaker 3: shut connection here is that I think the story that
Speaker 3: they're trying to portray is may be based on Okay,
Speaker 3: John Benet herself or a similar situation, because if you
Speaker 3: look at anybody can do this, there's inn an eyes
Speaker 3: wide shut where what is the Tom Cruise's character's name.
Speaker 3: I forget now Bill Harford. Bill, he's in the diner
Speaker 3: and he's got the newspaper open and he's reading, you know,
Speaker 3: about the woman who died that he thinks that he knows.
Speaker 3: Mandy I think is her name, and the description of
Speaker 3: what happened to her is the description of what happened
Speaker 3: to John Benney. I mean it reads word for word
Speaker 3: beauty queen dies or beauty queen slade, and then it
Speaker 3: says parents were connected with elites or some upper social
Speaker 3: class or something like. It says this in the newspaper. Okay,
Speaker 3: Jim was well connected in that beauty queen slade. That's
Speaker 3: stuff that they wrote about John Benney.
Speaker 2: Right, she failed, Mandy failed in beauty pageants. She didn't
Speaker 2: get first prize or whatever because she was using drugs
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then she started, Uh, then she married
Speaker 2: a fashion designer and or not even married, she was
Speaker 2: just his mistress or whatever. And yeah, that's that was
Speaker 2: her story because she was probably sold off to just
Speaker 2: like you know, it.
Speaker 1: Is freaking dark. I cannot even believe so many dark
Speaker 1: stories like this. One's super dark. When you really look
Speaker 1: at it, it is like she was tied up, like
Speaker 1: she was bound like a sacrificial victims so freaking dark,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read from uh program to kill. I keep
Speaker 1: coming back to this. We referenced this in my control
Speaker 1: one on one because it ties into so much of
Speaker 1: the stuff, but uh, this paragraph. There was, however, certainly
Speaker 1: nothing unusual about that on the kiddy pageants circuit, as
Speaker 1: author Stephen Singular discovered when he ventured into that milieu.
Speaker 1: What do you discovered? As a world A few outside
Speaker 1: of the pageants circuit are familiar with their world war Extraordinarily,
Speaker 1: young girls have had their hair dyed, their teeth capped,
Speaker 1: their young faces sculpted by plastic surgeons, their chests bunched
Speaker 1: up with tape to form the appearance of cleavage, and
Speaker 1: their eye color enhanced with contact lenses. Singular also discovered
Speaker 1: that photographing these preprebescent beauty queens in risk gay poses
Speaker 1: is a routine business undertaken by some of the most
Speaker 1: highly regarded child photographers in the country.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: John Bannye Ramsay was just one of an estimated two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand girls were part of this billion
Speaker 1: dollar a year business that by all appearances kids primarily
Speaker 1: to the pedophilic tendencies of the adults who gravitate around
Speaker 1: the three thousand child beauty pageants held every year.
Speaker 3: And just so you know, the listeners out there when
Speaker 3: they went to question John Mainet's photographer about his so
Speaker 3: called beauty shots of John Benay, he killed himself.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot of people killing themselves and like
Speaker 1: getting busted for child born around this ye the beauty
Speaker 1: pageant thing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so you know, it's like it's like this
Speaker 3: this paragraph right here. You know, I think people get
Speaker 3: sick to death of me talking about this book Program
Speaker 3: to Kill, But there is so much in it. It's
Speaker 3: such a it's such an important book to read. And
Speaker 3: you know, like there there have even been actually this picture,
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought this up. There have been
Speaker 3: people who have said that John Beney never even existed
Speaker 3: and that everything was made up. It was like a
Speaker 3: like a staged event, and that pictures like this of
Speaker 3: John Beney are AI, the first AI images that we
Speaker 3: one could ever see in that it was a test
Speaker 3: to see if the public would believe it. And they
Speaker 3: use this photo because they say her eyes are brown
Speaker 3: and in other photos of John Beney her eyes.
Speaker 2: Are green pleasing.
Speaker 3: But my argument is much like Stephen Singular just said,
Speaker 3: they use contacts, they color their hair, they cap their teeth,
Speaker 3: they take them to plastic surgeons, they do all this stuff.
Speaker 3: We don't know what color her eyes were. When I
Speaker 3: see pictures of John Benet with green eyes, it looks
Speaker 3: artificial to me, as in contact lenses. And actually the
Speaker 3: color green is very, very significant to the darker colt.
Speaker 3: So a lot of the photos I see of John Bennet,
Speaker 3: she's there's one where she's turned like this and she's
Speaker 3: holding up her finger like this, and she's got a
Speaker 3: green gemstone ring on and green contacts in and the
Speaker 3: backdrop is green, and you know it's the emerald. It's
Speaker 3: a lot like Ruby Tuesday what we've talked about Sean.
Speaker 3: It's a ranking system, yes, within the darker cults. So
Speaker 3: John Benet, in my opinion, and this is Julia talking,
Speaker 3: not William or Sean, was a part of this satanic
Speaker 3: cult that paraded them about. And they use this like
Speaker 3: the diamond, the roof, be the emerald. It's all significant
Speaker 3: within the darker coult. Maryland was a diamond, right, Diamonds
Speaker 3: are forever, Yes, Tuesday. Well, yes, so, and then we
Speaker 3: talked about Tuesday. Weld was She's the Ruby Tuesday Tuesday,
Speaker 3: and then John Beney every picture of her I see
Speaker 3: with these green contacts and like she's holding up this
Speaker 3: little green pinky ring with the green gemstone on it,
Speaker 3: green backdrop.
Speaker 2: The Emerald City, the Wizard of Oz, that whole thing, Like, wow,
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 1: Guys really think it gets that dark?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: That's really.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Fritz Springmyer said that the green on
Speaker 2: the Emerald stuff was for like drug sales and like
Speaker 2: like black market type.
Speaker 3: I don't know, could be prostitution for all we know.
Speaker 2: He might be wrong, maybe, I mean like he's speculating too.
Speaker 2: I guess he's he's hearing it from divers that only
Speaker 2: know from their perspective. Maybe green means something else in
Speaker 2: some other facet of the cult system was not one.
Speaker 2: It's lots of little pieces of cults that work together.
Speaker 2: They're not all the same religion and shit, but they all.
Speaker 3: There's something to it for sure, though, because to put
Speaker 3: it for like for the Rolling Stones to include it
Speaker 3: in a song, you know, you know it exists, right,
Speaker 3: like we know it means something and so another thing
Speaker 3: that Sorry, right, I was just gonna say. Fritz Springmeier
Speaker 3: also talked about how they us Star Trek for programming.
Speaker 2: That's one of them.
Speaker 3: And when they rated or searched what have you the
Speaker 3: Ramsey home, they found a lot of Star Treks, weird
Speaker 3: Star Trek stuff in the basement along with the movie
Speaker 3: making equipment. And so you put you start putting pieces together.
Speaker 3: It's like Fritz Springmeyer is writing about this stuff before
Speaker 3: John Benet even happened. Then they searched the home. You know,
Speaker 3: with the Wonderland raids, people are finding stuff on pedophiles
Speaker 3: computer of John Benay. The dad works for an access
Speaker 3: graphics company. Okay, they got video making equipment in the basement,
Speaker 3: They got Star Trek stuff all over the place. It
Speaker 3: makes you wonder, you know what the true story is
Speaker 3: going you know what's going on here.
Speaker 2: So the pornography is the money making portion, and it
Speaker 2: helps them to get more pedophiles. They can find the
Speaker 2: ones who are buying the stuff. They can be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you want to be hired. Like Kathy O'Brien's dad was
Speaker 2: shipping porno tapes through the mail and the government saw that.
Speaker 2: Obviously there the government is one delivering the mail. The
Speaker 2: other person like, don't give the illegal thing to the government.
Speaker 2: You're retired. But anyway, like he like, he's they say,
Speaker 2: you can sell your daughter to us, or you can
Speaker 2: go to jail, and you know, and he got like
Speaker 2: he was able to f however many kids he wanted.
Speaker 2: He was just like free reign. You know, they get
Speaker 2: promoted when this happens, you.
Speaker 3: Know, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's like and the Carthaginian women would there there's a
Speaker 2: breeding system, like if you didn't want to sacrifice your
Speaker 2: own kid, you just buy someone else's kids and sacrifice that. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was singular talks about that in his book
Speaker 1: where they're like levels of the pornography game and the
Speaker 1: CP is the big money supposedly, so like the other
Speaker 1: like Playboy or whatever, that's you know, nobody they don't
Speaker 1: want them with the secret stuff. They charge a lot.
Speaker 1: So there's you know, there's money everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it funds the whole system. And it also
Speaker 2: like the the trauma based mind control of it, like
Speaker 2: it it's necessary for the SRA. I mean, might as
Speaker 2: well make money from it, you know, and and then
Speaker 2: it creates more psychopaths. Like if you look into the
Speaker 2: pornography people that watch snuff porn, they are psychopaths if
Speaker 2: they you know, like it's creating because they go down
Speaker 2: this like step wise progression into insanity and like not
Speaker 2: human anymore. Like they start with barely legal and then
Speaker 2: they go down to the you.
Speaker 3: Know, we'll be careful now, Sean, because we got to
Speaker 3: be politically correct. They're minor attracted person.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, they're protected now by the government of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think sex and pornography are drug. Like
Speaker 1: you need to be rush, right, so you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you get watch Playboy and then like you're at like
Speaker 1: abusing women and bar fit on them, like that's some
Speaker 1: of that stuff is yeah, you know, and then you
Speaker 1: become a newer just like you said. And I did
Speaker 1: this show on the Route where that's how they programmed
Speaker 1: the guys. They got the criminals to go into the system,
Speaker 1: into the hospitals, started putting stuff on their head, showing
Speaker 1: them snuff lolms to the point where they were so
Speaker 1: inured to it they had no physiological response of fear
Speaker 1: or loathing or disgust. And then they're like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: a great shape. You can go now, and yeah, we
Speaker 1: can send you to because you don't care about You've
Speaker 1: watched so many people have their throat slit. It just does.
Speaker 1: It's not going to bother you at all.
Speaker 3: It's like the Phoenix Program coming home.
Speaker 2: The Ludovico method of Alex and clockwork Orange.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's how That's how the guy was Richard Ramirez's
Speaker 1: uncle came back out of the Phoenix Program with all
Speaker 1: these gnarly pictures and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and you know my thing too, is like
Speaker 3: your mind cannot There was a study about how your
Speaker 3: mind cannot determine the difference between watching something on a
Speaker 3: screen and portraying it in real life. And so when
Speaker 3: you're watching child pornography, you're watching that's how they program you,
Speaker 3: is through social media, movies, music, because your mind cannot
Speaker 3: discern the difference between watching something on a screen and
Speaker 3: something happening in real life. So when you watch these
Speaker 3: kind of things, it's literally I mean they even mentioned
Speaker 3: in the Program to Kill Book, I think in the
Speaker 3: first two chapters how one of these child pornography websites
Speaker 3: had like a customer service line. Even so, like you
Speaker 3: set up an account and I guess if you're not
Speaker 3: getting your dose of like little boys getting you know whatever,
Speaker 3: you could call and be like, hey, I want to
Speaker 3: re fund on my subscription. I'm not getting my fill
Speaker 3: of Like what kind of customers are? Like what are
Speaker 3: you customer servicing with that? It's disgusting.
Speaker 2: Government employees are the ones that are buying all the show.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is like what are what? What do
Speaker 3: you say when you get to the phone, like little
Speaker 3: boys are us? How can I help you? Like it's
Speaker 3: just like a business for them, Like.
Speaker 2: This is the black market is like beyond what we
Speaker 2: can imagine. I'm sure, like there's the black market of
Speaker 2: like oh, you can buy some weed, you know, in
Speaker 2: the corner, but there's also you can buy a liver,
Speaker 2: or you can buy a whole woman, or like you
Speaker 2: can buy a severed head, and you know, like it
Speaker 2: doesn't if you're like the psychopathy is beyond and all
Speaker 2: of this is unknown to us.
Speaker 3: The royal family members live so long because they're swapping
Speaker 3: out their freaking organs and stuff like that. I'm I'm
Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure of it. If they're even dead,
Speaker 3: they can the eltate died, you know, they get they
Speaker 3: get blood transfusions, they get new hearts, they get new livers,
Speaker 3: they get new and they just like China.
Speaker 1: David Rockefeller got seven hearts.
Speaker 3: That's why you think about that. Well, look at the
Speaker 3: queen before she died, she looked like she looked like
Speaker 3: a salamander or some shit. But she's got brand new organs,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like, oh, she died, or did
Speaker 3: you just like upload her consciousness into a new body
Speaker 3: or so like, I don't even believe anything they say anymore.
Speaker 3: You know, on the outside she looks like a crushed
Speaker 3: out cigarette, but but on the inside she's pristine. She's
Speaker 3: got the heart of a twelve year old. She's got
Speaker 3: like the pancreas of a nine year old. Like that's
Speaker 3: how they live so long. And it's like freakish. They
Speaker 3: all got like weird blood disorders and stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's astounding to me.
Speaker 2: And I mean you can look at the old like
Speaker 2: the ane A cult, they would like they would get
Speaker 2: energy from rubbing themselves on children or being actually active
Speaker 2: with children, holding them against their body for warmth. It
Speaker 2: was young virgins would sleep with Gandhi. It was very weird.
Speaker 2: Like that, and this is like a whole tantra like
Speaker 2: Kundalini type thing where their cat Like even Epstein like
Speaker 2: at the point of almost ejaculation, he would like do
Speaker 2: business deals on the phone because he's like almost there
Speaker 2: and like oh yeah, so by what after? It's like,
Speaker 2: I mean that's part of the magic, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like sex magic that they're.
Speaker 1: But that stuff goes all through history and through legend
Speaker 1: and lore of like old witch people draining children. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: all the way back to you know, answering rattle and
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know. Right.
Speaker 3: I just did an episode as part of one of
Speaker 3: my kind of Halloween episodes about the Blood Countess Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: royal family member accused of slaughtering and cutting the titties
Speaker 3: off bitches and doing all the bathing in their blood
Speaker 3: and six hundred and fifty young girls.
Speaker 2: She was part of. She was part of the Habsburg line,
Speaker 2: and the Habsburg is the double headed eagle of the
Speaker 2: back of the chair of ise white shut and you
Speaker 2: go to.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Jill Rights, the Marshal of France. He's like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, fighting against the English. What was the woman's name,
Speaker 1: the uh, the little girl who was supposedly getting visions
Speaker 1: or whatever. He killed like five hundred boys, like just
Speaker 1: an incredible slaughter slaughter, yeahsts right, Jildie Montmore. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was in a cold Satanist. He was a could statist Satanist.
Speaker 1: And you would, I mean, like the families, like where
Speaker 1: are my kids? All my kids are missing in this
Speaker 1: whole area, there's no children because they're going into the castle.
Speaker 1: Was you'll do Ryan, he's doing unspeakable things.
Speaker 3: To him well, and you know, it reminds.
Speaker 1: Me he was the boss. He's like the handler of
Speaker 1: Joan of Arc right, which makes her you know, so
Speaker 1: called visions and all this stuff. It's like a high
Speaker 1: question because right behind her is this black literal black magician.
Speaker 2: Right, probably just propaganda. The whole thing is probably just.
Speaker 3: That's where I think the vampire obsession comes from, because
Speaker 3: it's like Lad the Impaler and the Blood Countess Elizabeth
Speaker 3: Battery and they're all into blood drinking and that. You know,
Speaker 3: you look at the royal family and they're all proud
Speaker 3: of it, like I'm related to Glad the Impair. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, but you know, I think like it it
Speaker 3: has never stopped. It's like I said, they just get
Speaker 3: more slick about how they do stuff, because you know,
Speaker 3: you can't just murder six hundred and fifty people with
Speaker 3: you know, not without people noticing anymore.
Speaker 2: So, but.
Speaker 3: This case actually reminds me of another case that's adjacent
Speaker 3: to kind of Franklin Scandal and Hunter S. Thompson, which
Speaker 3: is Johnny Gosh. And you know, Paul Banassi talks about
Speaker 3: and his mom whether she's nuts or not, and a
Speaker 3: lot of people think that she's it she is, But
Speaker 3: Johnny Gosh's mom said that he was abducted by a
Speaker 3: pedophile ring. Paul Banasi said he was abducted by a pedophile.
Speaker 2: Ring, you know, helped to abduct him, right.
Speaker 3: That's what he says that, Well, yeah, right, yeah, But
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's like the kid kids are disappearing.
Speaker 3: It's like I googled it one time. In the amount
Speaker 3: of kids that just go missing every year, disgusting.
Speaker 1: There's one hundred thousand kids like that were trafficked into
Speaker 1: the United States that are gone, like under Obama, under
Speaker 1: like Biden. Right, they're just like can't they don't even
Speaker 1: know where they are, Like it's incredible, Like the US
Speaker 1: is just was invaded by like millions of just people.
Speaker 3: Records and clubs too, is a part of that.
Speaker 2: It's totally coolish, right, Yeah, Finders was doing international child
Speaker 2: trade and they had pictures of bloody open goats and
Speaker 2: kids playing with goat guts and like naked people and
Speaker 2: how to sell your child in China and like they
Speaker 2: had the computer tech long before anybody had internet computer tech.
Speaker 2: You know, mm hmm. It was really holy crap.
Speaker 3: It's it just makes you wonder, though, why the cases
Speaker 3: of John Benet, Johnny Gosh and like why why are
Speaker 3: these the ones that get sensationalized, if you will, when
Speaker 3: there's so many kids that go missing every year, And
Speaker 3: that's the question that you know, it's it's hard to answer.
Speaker 1: It's like true Detective. It's about kids getting abducted and
Speaker 1: disappearing in occult rituals and stuff like that, and but
Speaker 1: nobody's paying attention or they're not even on the list.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not solved either. They're not solved.
Speaker 2: And there's a cult cops that work for occult orders
Speaker 2: that get the you know, get the oh bungle that
Speaker 2: one whoops, sorry, and then everybody wants to believe that
Speaker 2: everybody thinks it's more comfortable to believe that their government
Speaker 2: is just a bunch of bumbling idiots and just give
Speaker 2: them a pass on this one and then the next
Speaker 2: one and then the next one. And it just seems
Speaker 2: can't be a conspiracy theory, right, because that you know,
Speaker 2: I would be a pariah if I were to say
Speaker 2: a conspiracy. Right.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up True Detective though. You're talking
Speaker 3: about season one right with Matthew McConaughey. Man, I had
Speaker 3: never seen it. My husband made me wise. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's lame. It was not lame. It was amazing. I
Speaker 3: loved it. And I think, yeah, probably, and you know,
Speaker 3: I think it's telling a story that's very true to
Speaker 3: what's going on. I even speculated a little bit that
Speaker 3: like Henry le Lucas is probably like second cousins to
Speaker 3: the Bush family or some shit kind of like on
Speaker 3: the some True Detective stuff. You know, it's like there
Speaker 3: they take their retarded family members and they make the monsters,
Speaker 3: and they put all the blame on them for like,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: They make a smart one the head of the CIA,
Speaker 2: they make the retarded one the president of the United States.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, that's that's really what it is,
Speaker 3: because it's it's like a big family tree. And you know,
Speaker 3: the reason I said henry Ly Lucas might have been
Speaker 3: like second cousins to the Bush family is he got
Speaker 3: like exonerated or something like that.
Speaker 1: He's the only one though, that's the one.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, William. It's like we don't know
Speaker 3: who his family is. We don't know like why is
Speaker 3: he the only one who ever got exonerated on death row?
Speaker 3: Bye bye? It was like Bush.
Speaker 4: I want to say it was the only one that
Speaker 4: w yeah, right, But I mean we don't know a lot,
Speaker 4: like why is Jimmy Saville best friends with King Charles?
Speaker 2: Like you know what? Then you look into that guy
Speaker 2: and like, holy crap, Like it's it's there's a lot
Speaker 2: to just like what icewatch shut is. It's like all there,
Speaker 2: but nobody sees it like it's you know, we see
Speaker 2: it bubble out and it happens, and then it's just
Speaker 2: like put it out of the rug. It's a lone
Speaker 2: nut or it's a one time right. I don't want
Speaker 2: to believe that.
Speaker 1: It's like the last scene in Iwade Shut. You didn't
Speaker 1: see anything. People get to talk. Some people get to
Speaker 1: talk and they shut up. They get it. They're like
Speaker 1: because even Singular said there was pervasive fear and boulder
Speaker 1: and a strange vibe in the whole city like don't talk,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, not like people want to
Speaker 1: divulged up, but like hey, like hey we can go
Speaker 1: to this bar talk, you know, like they didn't come
Speaker 1: out and say something like that. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys have heard, like what eyes well, I
Speaker 1: mean True Detective was based on a real case called
Speaker 1: the Hosana Church or where that. Yes, yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: our next show. We could do that for Halloween. I'll
Speaker 1: tach church will try to schedule something before the It'll
Speaker 1: blow your mind. It's so bad like there was it
Speaker 1: wasn't that a guy whose dad was a priest, who
Speaker 1: was a pastor, he becomes the pastor, goes into Satanism,
Speaker 1: child abuse, animals, cops are involved, shape shift thing, the.
Speaker 2: Whole black out the windows of the.
Speaker 1: Church, rituals will he's raped his kids. That's the allegation.
Speaker 1: Then that the story changes. Then the kids take back
Speaker 1: the allegation, like it's always.
Speaker 3: Like false memory syndrome.
Speaker 1: But the original confession is on audio and he's like
Speaker 1: spilling the beans. His name was Monica, show on that.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the basis of True Detective. Because the
Speaker 1: guy Nick Pizelto, who actually is in True Detective season one,
Speaker 1: he actually plays a bark Under so he has a
Speaker 1: little scene in that. But yeah, you'll see if you
Speaker 1: go back, you can see him. I think they're planning
Speaker 1: on doing it in a season five now. But he
Speaker 1: is from Louisiana, and this place happened in Louisiana north
Speaker 1: of Uh, what's the main city.
Speaker 3: It's so like New Orleans.
Speaker 2: New Orleans. Yeah, Nor Orleans and like a hub of
Speaker 2: Satanism since.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say New Orleans is like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's this swampy, weird like energy voodoo whodoo, Like it's
Speaker 3: the air is sticky. You know, it's got a weird
Speaker 3: vibe to it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a border town. It's a former kind of
Speaker 1: like frontier town almost like right was the way up
Speaker 1: the river and all kinds.
Speaker 3: Of little I think it was part of a it's.
Speaker 2: The American Nile. It's like, well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think you know it was part of
Speaker 3: a cult ritual in and of itself with Katrina. You know,
Speaker 3: I think they let a lot of people die there
Speaker 3: for uh, totally preventable by the way, you know, with
Speaker 3: the weird Levy situation, but just a.
Speaker 2: Dumbling government who heard them all into that building and
Speaker 2: then they all.
Speaker 1: Get yeah and didn't George, didn't Bush Barber say oh,
Speaker 1: this is just treating him just fine. Like people are
Speaker 1: being shot and.
Speaker 3: Red, people are eating their own dogs.
Speaker 1: World Escape from New York Ship was going on there,
Speaker 1: and it's.
Speaker 2: Like wow, yeah, now it's like all the time, every
Speaker 2: day like whatever, like you know, like there was like
Speaker 2: so many disasters and like Brandon's last year whatever his
Speaker 2: name is, you know, Biden's last year. Like the whole
Speaker 2: thing in Western like Carolina and East Tennessee, that whole
Speaker 2: like the weather manipulation is like is off the scale.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: They say they're not seating it because the government shut down.
Speaker 1: There's not just no chem.
Speaker 2: Oh I heard about that. Oh yeah, yeah, I heard
Speaker 2: that story. Sure, they're still taking money out of people's
Speaker 2: paycheck though, So I don't know how shutdown they really are.
Speaker 3: You well, I don't know how how much further you
Speaker 3: guys want into John Benney. But I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: you know this, this entire story of her is. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's if you read the chapter in this book Program
Speaker 3: to Kill, it's traumatizing almost to think about. You know.
Speaker 3: I do think it was kind of like a sloppy
Speaker 3: cover job for an accidental situation that happened the night
Speaker 3: before at the Christmas Eve party with the weird nine
Speaker 3: to one one call and stuff. But I think that
Speaker 3: this story is kind of being portrayed in Eyes Wide Shut,
Speaker 3: and they do this over and over again in different
Speaker 3: TV shows and movies. I think the guys who write
Speaker 3: American Horror Story know what's up. They put a lot
Speaker 3: of weird stuff into their shows. And the one guy
Speaker 3: that came from American Horror Story is the one that's
Speaker 3: doing all these serial killers shows on Netflix. It's the
Speaker 3: same guy. So he did American Horror Story, now he's
Speaker 3: doing Dahmer and ed Gian and you know all this
Speaker 3: bad stuff. No, the writer, the writer, and so what
Speaker 3: of him, Mark Man? What is his name? American Horror Story.
Speaker 2: Those kind of serial horror.
Speaker 3: Ryan Murphy, Ryan Murphy, Yes, that's him, So he did
Speaker 3: Glee first, right, and by the way, a lot of
Speaker 3: people involved with Glee ended up dying weird okay, like
Speaker 3: they were off like Final Destination Glee type shit. And
Speaker 3: then he went on to make American horror story. Now
Speaker 3: he's making all these Dahmers and ed Gean's and you know,
Speaker 3: it makes you wonder how much he knows, just like
Speaker 3: Stanley Kubrick, how much did he know? How much was
Speaker 3: he involved? Right? That's the big question is we know
Speaker 3: he knows, but is he involved? You know? So I
Speaker 3: I am an admirer of his work, and that's definitely
Speaker 3: not a secret. You know, obviously from my background, anybody
Speaker 3: would know. I am an admirer. But the question has
Speaker 3: always nagged at me, if you know, does that mean
Speaker 3: you're involved? Because look at eyes white shot, I mean,
Speaker 3: look at the shiny look at you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: clockwork orange Lolita, Like, okay, we know you know, but
Speaker 3: are you involved? That's the thing.
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of statements, but not nothing definitive.
Speaker 3: Right, nothing, nothing definitive, but the one.
Speaker 1: Days and nights statement like not good, like.
Speaker 2: He did move his family away from everywhere, all that
Speaker 2: craziness and he did kind of stay on the compound
Speaker 2: and didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was afraid of something that seems sure seemed
Speaker 1: like it to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't. I was definitely afraid to fly. Good
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 1: Smart, smart, you.
Speaker 3: Know, with all the fake moon landing stuff. And like
Speaker 3: we know, he was friends with like some upper echelon
Speaker 3: German weirdos like Warner von Braun.
Speaker 2: He his wife is the niece of Bite Harlan, the
Speaker 2: most prolific German director who was commissioned by the Nazis
Speaker 2: to make anti Jewish films.
Speaker 3: That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yud Seuss is.
Speaker 1: The one, and it's like, oh yeah, it's like super right,
Speaker 1: anti Semitic, big nosed jew, right, but he was hired.
Speaker 2: By the Nazis to do that. But I mean other
Speaker 2: movies too.
Speaker 1: I think his son worked for Kubrick, right, So it
Speaker 1: was his wife.
Speaker 2: His wife's brother, Jan Harlan Is. They're both niece and
Speaker 2: nephew of Vite Harlan, who's that director who is like
Speaker 2: the best director of Germany. And like you should see
Speaker 2: like his films are very beautifully just amazing, and kubric
Speaker 2: married into the family. It shows his respect for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he probably faked the moon landing. So
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, there's there's a lot to be
Speaker 3: said there. I do think there is connections with Eyes
Speaker 3: Wide Shut and John Benney. I think the whole beauty
Speaker 3: queen angle is very specific. I think the toys store
Speaker 3: at the end of the movie where they're leading the
Speaker 3: little girl off, I think that's very specific, you know,
Speaker 3: and Jeff.
Speaker 2: That they had and there was also Ley Sobeesky, a
Speaker 2: little bit older than Helena, who was obviously like she
Speaker 2: was being used for as a prostitute child pros to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like it's like we said earlier, I
Speaker 3: think there's a he's showing there's levels to.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, right, like stag on the girls like yeah.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and it's like, oh, your dad owns a
Speaker 3: costume store, will just let some chinaman Rapia. But if
Speaker 3: you're Helena, you get like these elite you get the
Speaker 3: upper echelon, like senators and governors get to Rapia, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But really, Militic is not really Yeah, there's ud suits, right,
Speaker 2: and it's a it's a really good movie.
Speaker 3: Is that him that that guy?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: Right? But so like Militic is not really the father
Speaker 2: of Lily, Like they don't right, right hander right, So
Speaker 2: he's like she passes through him to like get her programming.
Speaker 2: Just you know, it's like rolling and he he was
Speaker 2: and he took over an operation that was already happening before.
Speaker 2: You know, Bill went to visit this guy that was
Speaker 2: his customer. Oh, I'm his doctor, and like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: in charge of Rainbow in fashions now, like it's always
Speaker 2: been going, always been there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just taking over girls?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Where did they film Ice Wide Shut?
Speaker 2: Uh? In England? It was all of it. The whole
Speaker 2: thing was a set they got like a little piece
Speaker 2: of film that they did with a green screen of
Speaker 2: New York City.
Speaker 3: Just well I know that they filmed like the weird
Speaker 3: sex org scene in a roth Child.
Speaker 2: Meant more towers, right.
Speaker 3: So wasn't it that at the time that they were
Speaker 3: making Ice Wide Shut? I believe it was Nicole Kidman
Speaker 3: was living in Colorado.
Speaker 2: What Okay, I'm not sure where Nicole Kidman was living,
Speaker 2: but we but her family has their own allegations with
Speaker 2: the you know her like we if you wanted to
Speaker 2: if you want to believe the Eyes Wide Open book
Speaker 2: and like I'm I'm not sure if I believe anymore,
Speaker 2: but so like some things may be true and I
Speaker 2: but I do think that she actually the actress is
Speaker 2: actually a programmed multiple, like I actually think in real
Speaker 2: life she is that. And like her dad was working
Speaker 2: for the governments. Uh, he was doing MK ultra stuff
Speaker 2: and programming children through trauma based mind control. Why wouldn't
Speaker 2: he program his own daughter, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And she's still they're like, she's eating bugs for Variety magazine.
Speaker 3: Oh god.
Speaker 2: She's like she's in front of like yellow velvet instead
Speaker 2: of the red carpet stuff that of esewatch shuts, but
Speaker 2: it's still ornate. They got that whole thing going. She's like,
Speaker 2: I don't eat seven course meal of bugs, And she's
Speaker 2: just like happily because she's like programmed too. She's not
Speaker 2: feeling emotions. She's just doing the robot thing. You know.
Speaker 3: Well, I read an interview with her where she said
Speaker 3: her favorite movie is The Wizard of Oz. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I think that's a red flag right there. You know, guys,
Speaker 3: and I actually talked to William about this very very briefly.
Speaker 3: How they include so much Wizard of Oz stuff in
Speaker 3: the movie Girl Interrupted, and yeah, that would that would
Speaker 3: still be a good one to even Sean. You would
Speaker 3: probably enjoy that one too, because there is so much
Speaker 3: Wizard of Oz stuff and Girl Interrupted, and I think
Speaker 3: it's just like, you know, a calling card like mental illness,
Speaker 3: mind control programming and Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: Mark David Chapman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on his.
Speaker 1: Own little ritual thing was the picture of the Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz in addition to.
Speaker 2: Addition to the Catcher and the Rye, which.
Speaker 1: Is really the more that I read read through with
Speaker 1: the Catcher and the Rye, the darker it gets.
Speaker 3: Well, there you go with uh a writer Girl interrupted
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 1: That's her times she's read it or something crazy.
Speaker 2: She related to Timothy Leary in some way to Timothy.
Speaker 1: Leary's archivist was named Horrowitz and she is his daughter,
Speaker 1: so very close to Leary, so very close to Crowley
Speaker 1: actually because Leary right.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then she's a West Memphis three supporter, just like John.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Love to wrap it up, people.
Speaker 2: Thank you both for joining us and for letting me
Speaker 2: be part of this, and I'm glad that it came together.
Speaker 2: So before we're done, you mentioned Julia that you have
Speaker 2: a baby now. I would love to say congratulations Cosmic mom.
Speaker 1: Yeh change your name now. Yeah, yeah, Cosmic congratulations again.
Speaker 3: You know you want people like me having babies in
Speaker 3: twenty five because you know that there's hope for the future.
Speaker 1: That's the future. You're our future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you really are the future.
Speaker 1: And you have all this knowledge. This kind of like
Speaker 1: new Internet knowledge. I don't know what the generation is,
Speaker 1: but it's some kind of.
Speaker 3: I see homeschooling in his future.
Speaker 1: I do too. I'm going to say that thinking that
Speaker 1: right now, I'm not into mc martin organic homegrown food
Speaker 1: or playing in.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, that's yeah, you're not. You're not going to
Speaker 3: see my son John Ben that's for damn sure, or
Speaker 3: any other you know. So, but thanks so much for
Speaker 3: having me too. Guys, this has been awesome. I hope
Speaker 3: you know. We had a little bit of a time
Speaker 3: difference and stuff going on. Thank you for understanding and thinking.
Speaker 3: I hope I made it worth your while.
Speaker 2: You and please tell us tell the listeners where they
Speaker 2: can find you, tell us all about your stuff here.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so I have Cosmic Peach podcast. I took
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks off obviously, I just had a baby,
Speaker 3: but I'm jumping back in the saddle. This is my
Speaker 3: first show since you know, I got out of the hospital,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, it was my baby before my baby.
Speaker 3: I love my show. I want to keep it going.
Speaker 3: I put out you know, I try to put out
Speaker 3: two episodes a week if I can, and you can
Speaker 3: find it wherever you listen to you know, any any
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Speaker 2: You'll find Patreon too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I do so. I post all the
Speaker 3: episodes early so you get early access over there. I
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Speaker 3: videos ad free stuff on Patreon so you can find me.
Speaker 3: And that's the best way to support the show too,
Speaker 3: because diapers are expensive people. So yeah, I definitely appreciate
Speaker 3: Oh God ship everywhere. You know. The ed Gian review
Speaker 3: is up if if you guys are interested, if you
Speaker 3: want to check that out. It's uh yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: satanic cults running and gunning throughout the US in my opinion,
Speaker 3: but this.
Speaker 1: Is a lot of this is opinion, Like we don't know,
Speaker 1: there's no court case.
Speaker 2: We're just learning facts. We're digging down rabbit holes. It's
Speaker 2: it's a never ending rabbit hole that keeps going. We love,
Speaker 2: we love digging and learning all this.
Speaker 1: When you look, it's hard to believe they didn't they
Speaker 1: didn't go to court. It's hard to believe that there
Speaker 1: wasn't a court case involved in this.
Speaker 3: Thanks there, Alex Hunter.
Speaker 1: There was so much, so much public interest even to
Speaker 1: this stake. Can you believe it? It's been almost thirty years.
Speaker 1: It's really incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's sad because she would be about my age,
Speaker 3: and you wonder, like just an entire life crushed.
Speaker 2: Out for she could be having a baby, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she could be the next generation is like has been
Speaker 2: sacrificed to the evil cults.
Speaker 1: Evil pure evil. Thanks guys, really appreciate it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the dead for shant go check. Yes, I'll put all
Speaker 1: the stuff on the show.
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