WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.639 Oh that are. 2 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:37.320 Trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content that will 3 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.439 take you out of your comfort zone and make you 4 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:40.479 question reality. 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.840 Listener's discretion is advised. 6 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:57.759 Okay, we are a love pid. This is William Ramsey. 7 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:00.960 Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates. Today show have two very 8 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.119 special guests. They're going to kind of co host and 9 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:05.840 we're all going to just have a kind of brain 10 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:09.799 you know, drain our brain of all this information about 11 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:11.920 John Banne Ramsey, at least on my show. You know, 12 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.040 Sean McCann, we've done so many were thirty shows now 13 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:17.599 or something like that. We're going to actually I'll be 14 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:20.239 talking to tomorrow morning. If he shows up, I don't know, 15 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:22.799 but we're trying to do it tomorrow morning. For episode 16 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:27.760 seven of The Manchurian Candidate Fiction to Fact, we're going 17 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.920 to go into George Coben Esterbrooks, a very important person, 18 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:35.079 often overlooked. I say that his documents that were released 19 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:38.560 by Black Vault FOI are really some of the most 20 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.599 important documents that really inform the sixties in a way 21 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:45.120 that even other authors haven't done. Because it shows that 22 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:48.400 Hoover knows a lot of this secret knowledge and it 23 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:50.799 was never divulged to the public, even to authors and 24 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:52.799 things like that. They may have sought pieces of it, 25 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.680 but he's involved in so many of these assassinations. Hoover's 26 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:00.280 right behind the scenes there and the fbis and all 27 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:03.480 behind the scenes of the Kirk assassination. So this kind 28 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:07.000 of trend continues. But like I said, Sean and I 29 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:10.240 have done like thirty shows, and then also Julia of 30 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:13.840 Cosmic Peach is here and we've done I think three 31 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:17.879 or four or five shows, and we've been talking and 32 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:19.840 I've been talking to Sean about this John. But hey, 33 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.719 there's a lot to this story. It happened in nineteen 34 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:25.960 ninety six. It's very delicate. These are our opinions or 35 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.560 other people's opinions of what happened. There's really been no 36 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:33.240 court trial, so you can't say these people have been 37 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.879 convicted of anything. They haven't been convicted, they haven't been tried. 38 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:38.560 It didn't even get to that point. There was a 39 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.639 lot of work done at in Colorado, but it never 40 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.599 got to the point where they were indicted. If I remember, 41 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.039 maybe my memory's not serving me correct, But there's a 42 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.560 lot of stuff I've researched today. There's I've read through 43 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:54.800 the book by Cyril Wack, who I had on my 44 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.360 show when he was among us. He was a great 45 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.639 man and he's unfortunately passed away. He did a lot 46 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.719 of work on the Smiley Faced killings on some of 47 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.000 these cases too, as an independent medical examiner, and he 48 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:09.120 wrote who Killed John Binney? And he had some very 49 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:13.800 opinionated views or conclusions that he made in that book 50 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:16.120 that we're going to go through. But Julia says she's 51 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:18.240 got a lot of research, so we're going to go 52 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:22.159 through this, but this is we don't like, we're not 53 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.400 saying these people committed the crime there, but there's a 54 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.360 lot of questions that need to be answered about the 55 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:29.520 John Binney to this day, and it happened in this 56 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.360 environment of like child porn pages. I've read through the 57 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:37.520 singular book today where he claims that they're part of 58 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.879 this whole pageant pedophile and there's a lot of these 59 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:42.800 people who were involved in the pageants who got busted 60 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.000 for child porn. See sam is what they call it now. 61 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:48.680 So this is kind of going to be a disturbing show, 62 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.960 kind of a Halloween show too, and might get really graphic, 63 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:55.759 like even her passing was very graphic and she was 64 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.319 clearly sexualized wearing makeup at six years old, five years old, 65 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.639 and I wrote, remember, I haven't seen the videos, but 66 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.919 like those pageants are weird. They're almost like strict Easas 67 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.159 or something like that, like glam strict Jesus. But anyway, 68 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:13.240 welcoming back to the show, Julia and Seawn, So welcome 69 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.759 back to William Ramsay invest keats. 70 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:22.079 Well, I just want to say hello, Julia, and I'm 71 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:25.439 bringing my own Wake the Dead audience here to this 72 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:31.279 conversation to listen in, because this is really wonderful knowledge 73 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.480 to learn. And I've been digging down this myself because 74 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:39.639 of my never ending look into Looking into Eyes Wide 75 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:44.519 Shut by Stanley Kubrick, and the fact that the Helena 76 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.480 gets stolen at the end, and there's this cult, the 77 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:53.120 sex cult, the groom's children into you know, the Ley 78 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:55.920 Sviski knew about the Ermine cloak, and she's you know, 79 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.240 she's so she knows about the rituals. So it's all 80 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:03.000 one big melting and I guess like the stew is brewing, 81 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.399 and so I'd like to know as much information as 82 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:09.439 possible that you can bring about John Mana is totally 83 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:11.319 related to this, you know. 84 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.759 And also Christmas remember too, So this happened at after 85 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.079 Christmas party, so it's some kind of weird after party 86 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:19.439 that they were out to. 87 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:25.480 And children Mass is just after Christmas and they do 88 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.279 sacrifices and children Mass too, like there's a lot of 89 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:33.120 occult holidays that are just around that time. But anyway, 90 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:35.319 please welcome Julia, sorry say hello. 91 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:40.600 Please, yeah, thanks for having me, William and Sean. I 92 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:46.079 actually covered this topic as a Christmas special if you will, 93 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:50.480 the last two years. So last year and the year before, 94 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.199 I talked about what happened to her kind of on 95 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:59.839 the anniversary of her death. And I really didn't know 96 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.000 too much about her other than like the mainstream narrative 97 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.680 until I read Program to Kill. And that's a book 98 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:13.480 that I've mentioned several several several times by David McGowan. 99 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.079 He has a lot of stuff in that book. I mean, 100 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:21.800 it's it's like a treasure trow. They're serial killers, pedophilia, 101 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.040 you know. Mark Dutreaux is in that book, and Mick 102 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.720 Martin is in that book, and John Benet is in 103 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:32.279 that book. And so I read that chapter and I 104 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:38.199 was astounded by the amount of information that's never actually 105 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:43.519 given to the mainstream public. And I have some notes 106 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.319 that I want to go over just from this book. Obviously, 107 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:51.240 this is Dave's opinion based off of research that he's done. 108 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.199 I expanded on it a little bit with my own research. 109 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.759 So yeah, I mean it is my opinion, and it 110 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:03.120 is some speculation, but I feel like the parents and 111 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.879 or the brother have already been convicted in the public opinion, 112 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:12.720 so you know, that goes without being said. Everybody's kind of, 113 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.199 you know, got their own opinion on what they think happened. 114 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.279 So all we can do is go based on my 115 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:25.240 favorite thing, forensics. That's a big one because forensics don't 116 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:30.079 usually lie. They're you know, they're cut and dry. It 117 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.319 is what it is. And then what we know about 118 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:37.279 pop culture and the occult and how it all goes 119 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:40.839 in together, because like you said, I think that there 120 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.120 are breadcrumbs in the movie Eyes Wide Shut as to 121 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:51.600 a pedophile ring operating, maybe even in or around Boulder, 122 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.560 and it's been going on for a long time. And 123 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.879 I don't think John Benet is actually a special case. 124 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:02.839 She's special to us, but I think there have been many, many, 125 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.639 many many John Benet's that we will just never know about. 126 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:10.600 But yeah, thanks guys for having me. I'm excited to 127 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:11.720 get into this one. 128 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.639 There were I was reading today there were deaths surrounding 129 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:19.360 this case. So John Benet wasn't vacuum. There was another 130 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:23.639 guy egsat or something like that who died or that 131 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:28.399 who was under investigate investigation, and then he mysteriously ends 132 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:29.959 up dead. I forgot. Let me see if I can 133 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:32.440 find him in my notes. But yeah, and it's connected 134 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.399 to like this broader network I've done these network shows 135 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.759 or like it's really something else. 136 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.879 Well, are you guys familiar with the Wonderland. 137 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:46.080 Raids a little bit? Can you go into the orchid 138 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:47.080 in Wonderland Raids? 139 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:50.840 Right? Yeah, So the Wonderland Raids are actually mentioned in 140 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:56.159 Program to Kill as well. They were a it was 141 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.840 like a task force that was uncovering pedophile networks and 142 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.679 they called it the Wonderland Raids because as most of 143 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:08.039 you know, what's the guy who wrote Alice in Wonderland's name? 144 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.279 I always forgot Charles Dodgson. 145 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:17.200 Yeah, Charles Dodgson or Carroll is his alias or what 146 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:25.440 his suitor name? But he uh obviously was a prolific pedophile, 147 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.720 and so they named this this task force the Wonderland 148 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:34.279 Raids because they were going after pedophiles. And there were 149 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:38.440 quite a few instances where photographs of John Beney had 150 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:44.919 been found on people's computer and John Bennet's father did 151 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:51.600 own Access Graphics and was involved in who knows what 152 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:55.279 with that, but it just seems like an odd coincidence 153 00:09:55.399 --> 00:10:02.039 that photos of her were circulating on pedophiles computers and 154 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.919 he had gotten like a really big bonus that year 155 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:09.200 that was the same amount as what was mentioned in 156 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:12.600 the ransom note, almost down to the dollar. A lot 157 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:16.960 of weird coincidences with that. When they searched the Ramsey home, 158 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:21.000 there was a lot of video making equipments, almost like 159 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:28.399 black magic cameras, like studio grade movie making equipment. So 160 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.440 you could speculate and put two and two together that 161 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:33.720 there may have been something more going on with that, 162 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:40.000 but I don't know. The Wonderland Raids in and of themselves, 163 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:45.120 were crazy because they found this network was not just 164 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.799 isolated to one area, but it was all over the US, 165 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.039 dozens and dozens and dozen. It was kind of like 166 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:55.720 a podcast that I listened to called the clown and 167 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:59.759 the candy Man, and it was about the pedophile network 168 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:03.600 that that Johayne Gacy was working out of. And it 169 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.440 was in Dallas, it was in you know, Chicago, it 170 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.600 was in all these major cities and then communicated with 171 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:14.440 each other and they exchanged information through like some weird 172 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:19.000 peedo network. They even had like a like a comic 173 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.399 book or like a thing that you could order that 174 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:24.480 would just show up at your house. It was like 175 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.039 Little Boys Weekly or something like that. And it just, 176 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.240 I mean, the depravity is deep with this case, but 177 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.679 I don't think it's an isolated case for sure. 178 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:44.240 So Ken, let's just frame so John Banat Ramsey had 179 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:49.639 to dress up like a showgirl with like feathers and 180 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:55.360 all the makeup and dance in front of leering individuals, 181 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.240 whether they'd be the parents or other people that just 182 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.639 happened to pay it for a ticket to go see 183 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:08.080 or whatever. So we know that anywhere there's children, there 184 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:12.320 are pedophiles there that are predating on them, you know, 185 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.840 especially if they're dressed up like sex pots. I mean, 186 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.440 I mean Tom Hanks is in the snl skit they're 187 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.799 making fun of how yeah, you know, and we know 188 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:28.120 about him, don't. 189 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:31.360 We It's also they made fun of it in South 190 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.639 Park too. They did a sequence of child pageants and 191 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:36.600 basically every you know, oh is. 192 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.720 That the one with Michael Jackson. 193 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:45.200 They actually like panned to the parents and. 194 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:53.240 Right, yeah, well, you know the thing is that's weird 195 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:57.919 about the pageants. And you know, this is not my opinion, 196 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:02.240 but I did verify this. Listen to a podcast a 197 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:06.840 while back where someone made the claim that none, not 198 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:13.320 a one like, nary a pageant that John Bennet supposedly 199 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:17.960 won it actually exists. There's no record of those pageants 200 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:22.080 ever existing. There's no other competitors from any other years 201 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.799 of those pageants ever existing. There's no you can google 202 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.440 the pageants that she supposedly won. There's no previous years 203 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:35.039 of little girls winning. There's no years after that of 204 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:40.440 little girls winning. These pageants do not exist. Little Miss Charlavoy, 205 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:49.799 little Miss Sunshine Peach, whatever, these pageants do not exist. 206 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:55.759 And I actually, because I could not find any record 207 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.840 of these pageants existing, I googled a pageant that I 208 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.639 was in as a little girl, because my mom was 209 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:04.039 not a peto or anything. But you know, the pageants 210 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.639 come around. You got a Southern mom and she puts 211 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:09.759 you in this shit. I had no choice. I was 212 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.840 like six years old. Anyways, It's called little Miss grape 213 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:18.879 Bet and it's from my area of Ohio is known 214 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.759 for like grapes and you know, wine and stuff like that. 215 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:25.159 So it was like a little Miss grape Bet pageant. 216 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:28.279 There is record of years of the girls who won 217 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.399 before me, after me, the year I was in it. 218 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:37.039 There's pictures, there's websites, it's easily available if you want 219 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:42.600 the information on that pageant. None narry a one pageant 220 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:47.240 that John Benet was supposedly the winner of. There is 221 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:52.279 no record of these pageants ever existing outside of John Benet. 222 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.000 So were they just making these pageants up as. 223 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.720 Like they're private pageants their pride? 224 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:04.840 Yes, yeah so, or though so the victory is preset 225 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:05.879 or something like that. 226 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:07.120 It's almost like. 227 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:07.679 A fake thing. 228 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:13.879 It's the so it's she's like the Queen Bee of 229 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:18.200 and and that's you know, usually would they pick you, you 230 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:20.799 end up dying in some weird sacrificial way at the 231 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:23.200 end of it. But you know, it's like she's in 232 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.519 all these private pageants and then we see what happened 233 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.960 to her it's like an auction almost, like you are 234 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:34.840 auctioning off the prized pig at the fair or something 235 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:39.279 like that. It's yeah, so I think that it's made 236 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:42.840 to make them feel special. I think that it's made 237 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:48.440 to kind of parade about the prize pig. And then 238 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:53.240 you know, obviously, uh, not saying for sure this is 239 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:57.000 what happened, but we know she's dead now and it 240 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.559 was not like a peaceful uh you know, she didn't 241 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.440 have an asthma attack, that she was brutalized. So just 242 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.200 going off of the information we have in the fact 243 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.759 that these pageants don't exist outside of her, you can 244 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.519 only imagine what's really going on behind the scenes. 245 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.440 Wow, that's dark. According to Grock, there was a pageant 246 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:24.720 from ninety three to ninety six and that was it. It 247 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:26.399 says like that, this says that Miss Little Miss Charlotte 248 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.399 Boy pageant was a child body competition nineteen ninety three 249 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.200 seven year old Jessica nagel One was held over the 250 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:38.320 fourth of July went weekend with aligning with summer festivities 251 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.919 in the areas such as the Charlotte wah Venetian Festival 252 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.919 small Field. There were only three participants. 253 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:47.320 Three okay, all right. 254 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:50.159 John Benet Ramsey won the title in nineteen ninety five. 255 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:52.399 And then there was no year after that. 256 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.600 Following John Beanne's murder nineteen ninety six, the pageant distributed 257 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:00.519 to something. There's no evidence that it continues to there's 258 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:04.079 no evidence after her death and what she died in 259 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:04.839 what ninety six? 260 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.799 Maybe she spoiled it by dying I think. 261 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.079 So she won in ninety five and died a year later. 262 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:13.599 Crazy. 263 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.519 There was also a really odd amount of pageants won 264 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.279 by John Maine. I'm going to google it really quick. 265 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:26.680 How many pageants did John Beney win. 266 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:28.880 On the books? Like on the record? 267 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.400 Yeah, how many on the books? 268 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.640 How many beyond that? We don't know? Like like Brice 269 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:40.519 Taylor was sold to UH to Bob Hope and Henry 270 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:46.920 Kissinger together. She was displayed on a stage with feathers 271 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.559 like a show girl, and she asked her handler what 272 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.240 she's doing there, and he said, we are You are 273 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:58.559 the Cadillac of mind control. Basically, you are Cadillac and 274 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:00.759 we're showing you off. And then that was when she 275 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.359 got sold. She was like the little dance and it's 276 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.240 it's an auction, just like Julius. 277 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:09.519 Well, I have another story about that too. So according 278 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:13.440 to Google, there is no definitive total number of pageants 279 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:17.359 she entered, which is odd no definitive number, right, but 280 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:22.480 they have little Miss Royal Miss, Little Miss Charlavoy, Little 281 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:27.839 Miss Colorado, Colorado State All Star Kids, Cover Girl, and 282 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:31.680 National Tiny Miss Beauty, and I googled several of these 283 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.359 and I couldn't really find anything on them. It's kind 284 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.519 of like that person that I heard on a podcast 285 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:39.599 talking about there's not a lot of information on them, 286 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:42.240 like they never existed except for I guess that one 287 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:44.839 for a couple of years and somehing. 288 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:47.359 It's like a flash in the pan, Like. 289 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:52.119 Yeah, so, I mean, she's supposed to be six when 290 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.160 she dies. How did she a pageant a year? Right? 291 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.160 When did? When? When would she have started? So right here? 292 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.960 That's one, two, three, four five right here. So once 293 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:07.720 you start in utero winning these pageants, the pageants season 294 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.680 is once a year, it's not like she could have won, 295 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:14.000 Like really, think about that one, two, three four five 296 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.480 listed right here. She's only six years old. When do 297 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:20.720 they start letting them in pageants? So when they're one, like, 298 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:23.319 when how was she able to win all of these, 299 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:28.599 it doesn't make sense actually for the timeline. So another 300 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.160 thing is, and you may have heard of this story. 301 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.359 Are you familiar with Heather or' rourke little girl? Unfortunately? 302 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:36.640 Yes? 303 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.240 So have you heard the story of what probably happened 304 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:41.599 to her? 305 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:42.839 She was to death? 306 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:48.880 Yes, But they made her come out and do a dance, right, 307 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.799 They made her do like a little hula girl dance 308 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.559 and dress in a bikini, and the there was a 309 00:19:54.559 --> 00:20:01.519 lot of like producers and directors there supposedly, right, I 310 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:08.519 wasn't there, But this is the accusation. And so John Benet, 311 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:14.119 Heather or Rourke, it's not an isolated event. And obviously 312 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:17.400 you were talking about someone you know, Sean who was 313 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.240 auctioned off kind of in this way as well. 314 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:22.240 Yeah. 315 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:28.000 Yeah, So, I mean it's the nameless, faceless little girls 316 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:32.480 that make my stomach sick because it could literally be 317 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:40.119 your daughter, your sister, your niece, your whoever. I don't 318 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:43.079 even know if we would know the name John Benet 319 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:49.440 outside of her murder. So it's like they become infamous 320 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:53.839 in death. Right, good point. But how many little girls 321 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:54.920 do we not know about? 322 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.920 Yeah? Good point. And that's why so many of those 323 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.960 victims are out there saying the truth of so that 324 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:09.000 everybody can remember the nameless ones that burned alive or 325 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:12.920 fed to the dogs or whatever else. 326 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:17.799 Hap yeah, yeah, one hundred William. And you know, before 327 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:21.319 I had my own baby, I used to talk about 328 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:25.960 this stuff and I would, you know, empathize, and I 329 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.599 would say how horrible it would be that this would 330 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:32.319 happen to children, and it would make my stomach sick. 331 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.440 Especially reading about the mc martin stuff. I wanted to 332 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:39.400 throw up. But now that I have my own baby, 333 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:47.039 I cannot believe that there are actually like Satanic cults 334 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:51.279 that would offer their own children into something like this. 335 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.440 It makes me want to literally throw up and cry 336 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.799 at the same time, Like it's unfathomable to me that 337 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:06.079 they consider it an honor to almost raise their kids 338 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:10.880 into this and then it's like eyes wide shut at 339 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:13.960 the end, it's like an honor for them to raise 340 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.039 their kid into this and then kind of like auction 341 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:21.240 them off to the highest bidder, because that's the privilege 342 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.880 of being a part of this cult. Is like you 343 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:27.160 know what's coming. It's like they're raised for the slaughter almost, 344 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:33.799 and it is absolutely stomach churning it's sickening. 345 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:39.200 Just like the Canaanites and the Phoenicians killing their own children, 346 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:42.680 feeding them with the moloc fire, you know, putting a 347 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.519 mask on the on the kids and the crying mother. 348 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:50.759 They're the smiley face. You know. It's really deep and 349 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.200 dark and super dark. 350 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.640 And that's what's Oh, go ahead, William. 351 00:22:57.799 --> 00:22:59.920 I was just gonna say, like, for people who don't know, 352 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.640 there's a weird connection of the Ramsey family to Oak Island. 353 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.160 And Charla boy is at the very north, so like 354 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:10.799 when the summer comes, Michigan isn't cold anymore, so people 355 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:13.160 go to the north in summer, so they would go, 356 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.599 but Oak Island is like ten miles away. And that 357 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:19.880 is a very well known case, very well studied, connected 358 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.400 to the Oak Island murders that happened in Detroit back 359 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.960 when Detroit was a functioning city and super dark, like 360 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.960 elite pedophile networks right like, and people who went to 361 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:31.799 one guy fled to the Netherlands and never got caught. 362 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:37.880 And then Ramsey, Bennett Ramsey, that's John Bannay's dad. His 363 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:43.119 dad was involved in like putting together the this is 364 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:47.480 already verified. He's putting together the landing place or whatever, 365 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.640 the airport for Oak Island and Charlotte Boys like right there. 366 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.880 So actually, my understanding, according to the information I got 367 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:58.640 today is after the death of John Bennet, the dad 368 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:02.680 and the mom to Charlet Boy, like that's where they went. 369 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:04.920 They went right after her death in December. 370 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:09.000 It's like I said, it's it's like an honor for 371 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:13.880 them too. Because Patsy was in the pageant system her 372 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:16.880 whole life. People talked about her being in the pageant 373 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:21.000 system coming from like some old Virginia money, some you know, 374 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.559 rich people find time crazy, you know, satanic cult, underground 375 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:31.559 network thing probably, but it's speculating, speculating. 376 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:33.839 Do you think that she was part of the abuse system? 377 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:34.519 Do you think the mother? 378 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.720 I absolutely do, I absolutely do. 379 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:42.920 My opinion that she was like auctioned off and he 380 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.680 was the purchaser like he was. He was a gift. 381 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.440 She was a gift to him. Yes, to make a 382 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:51.039 breeding situation. 383 00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:54.160 That's super much. That's a second wife too, right, second wife. 384 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:57.640 Yeah, I have a strange imagination. It's just my imagination. 385 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.160 Well think about this, Okay, think about this. This This 386 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:04.400 is my hypothesis. This is Julia talking, not William, not Sean. 387 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.359 This is my opinion. I own this. This is my hypothesis. 388 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:14.119 There was a Christmas party, Christmas Eve party thrown at 389 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.160 one of the elite of Moulder Colorado Society. His name 390 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:23.079 is Fleet White. Okay, So Patsy and John take their 391 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:28.039 two children to this party, this Christmas Eve party, and 392 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:32.839 at some point a nine to one one call was placed. Okay. 393 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.519 They won't say what the nine one one call was about. 394 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.559 They won't eve. Nobody even wants to admit there was 395 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:43.720 a nine one one call. There is no freaking information 396 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.319 on the nine to one one call from Christmas Eve. 397 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:51.839 Then supposedly they wake up on Christmas morning after that 398 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:54.680 party and they are like, oh, our daughter is missing, 399 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.440 YadA YadA, fake ransom note in my opinion, three pages long. 400 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:04.440 Does it make any sense? Uh? Speculatively could have been 401 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.039