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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is another

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episode of as Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things

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as Spoogy true crime in dat in America. But today

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today's a special episode. Today's the most special episode of

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a mom. Yes, because we had the most amazing guests ever.

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We were sonorous before recording. But let's let's say who

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the guest is before we go on about how we

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were growing up and crying. That's wedding like a my

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Dame and a song. Yes, Mom, spaghetti. Yeah, our guest

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today Rodriguez. Yes, the author of two books that we

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adore so much, for brown Girls with sharp edges and

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tender love and and Primas unknowing and loving the woman

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who raised us. And let me just say, these books

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I've never felt so seen. They must read, Yes, truly, truly, Yeah,

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for anyone. But not only is she the author of

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these bugs, but she has been a long time important

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Latina voice in my life. And then mine answer you

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told me after you sent me countless posts from Latina

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Rebels on Instagram. Yeah, I mean, I can't even remember

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how I came across Latina Rebels Apisca, but I have

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been following Pisca since I was a baby in my twenties,

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a younger baby, because you're still a baby course of course. Yeah.

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And I mean I could go on and on about

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how much I have learned, how amazing she is, on

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and on. We could. We could write a book about

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how much we left Prisca. I even she had a

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podcast for a bit and I listened to that. I

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didn't even know that, Oh that's a fan, that's a

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deep cut, that's a deep I was like tea or

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something like. I forgot what it was called, but in it, okay,

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I had no idea. Wow, but yeah, she came on.

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We have to say. So I was listening to and

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Prettymas and Carmen had already read it before me, but

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there was a section of Pretty Mass talking about the

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spookya who's his ghosts? And then I was like, well,

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Prisca obviously has ghost stories then, and so I was

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listening to it, and I was like, because we followed

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each other already, I just messaged her and I was

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dying inside because look, I know, I know Carmen and

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I are both like Leo's but we don't we promote ourselves,

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so we don't We're introvert leos if you will are Yeah,

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And isn't like you have to know us for us

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to really come out of our shell. Yeah, that's what

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I was just gonna say, Like, we have to already

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know each other like comfortably for us to appear like extroverts.

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You're not. We're most definitely not. No, if we're standing

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in line somewhere, I'm not going to make a conversation.

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Oh no, No, I don't think I've ever started a coment.

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People only start conversations with me. Yeah, we very much

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don't fit into that stereotype. But so I was dying

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a Messagingskay. I was like, I'm listening to this right now,

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and I think you have ghost stories? Can you come

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on the podcast and talk about ghost stories? And then

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she was like, oh my god, I'm dying. I'm so nervous. Yes,

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And I was like, no, pe Scott, we're dying, and

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it just we're just like her. Yes, yes, and now

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we're planning a trip to go to Nashville to go

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goat hunting. Yes, yes, but let me do a professional

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bio in case people don't know right right who Priscuy is.

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For some reason, for some goddamn reason. If you don't know,

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then you better get acquainted, Okay. Soguez was born in Manawanikarawa,

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but she calls Nashville, Tennessee home, which is why I

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said we're going to go there. She's a feminist, a theologian, storyteller,

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and an advocate. She got her Masters of Divinity from

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Vanderbilt University's Divinity School in the spring of twenty fifteen.

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She's a respective storyteller who has traveled across the USA

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telling stories to countless college and university students. She merges

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storytelling with pedic like I'm not aild degree. Thank you,

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pedagog Yes, thank you, I did read that book pedagogy.

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Oh what's called? I know what we we're talking about now,

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to help folks understand the larger forces at play aka

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systemic oppression as a first generation student and immigrant, and

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her passion is in naming the experiences of first generation

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students samgane systems not built for them. And literally, if

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you read like any of her books, it's that's what

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That's what I'm saying. I never felt so seen truly, truly.

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She's the oldest immigrant daughter and again not an eldest

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daughter in God oldest daughter. You and me and Christine

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are collectively the eldest daughters. That's twins together. And yeah, yeah,

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although I will say like spiritually I am the eldest daughter,

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I feel like in some way actually I think it

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splits between us and right, Yeah, sometimes I am and

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sometimes you are. We have different eldest daughter responsibilities within

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our family dynamic. Wow, this is crazy because they're twins.

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It's because we also have the one brains. Also that

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we do have one brain zone. Yeah, and this last

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part here, she is unapologetic, angry, and uncompromising about protecting

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and upholding the stories of LATINX communities. Oh my god. Yeah, yes,

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and that how was our guest today? And let's, I

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guess get into the episode unless you have anything else

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to say, no other than it was the best thing ever.

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It was. It was the best thing ever. Okay, let's yeah,

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let's get into it. Hi, this is Christina. That wasn't me,

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That was a kermis. But I'm also here, and we're

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here with Prisca. We're so excited. You already heard our intro.

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We are fangirling and sweating a little bit on all accounts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is like one of my favorite podcasts.

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I've been reading and looking forward to it at the

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same time.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what we've been feeling. Wow wow yeah, yeah, yeah,

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be the same. And yeah, we have a listener story

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like always, If anyone wants to send us your stories,

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please do because we're running out. You can email Spooky

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at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any

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of our socials. You can call it a Spooky hotline.

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There's so many ways to get us your stories. So also,

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I hope I haven't read this one. I Usually the

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way I can tell if I read it already is

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because there's like a thing that I forwarded it to

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Carmen and this one didn't have that. So people will

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let us know if I read it already. But I

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don't recognize it. So, so have you read one before

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or like twice? I've done it like three times. Probably

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I never noticed. Yeah, the listeners noticed, though, some of them.

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They're like, hey, you read this already, And I'm like, oops,

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my bad. Do I need a better system? Yes, well

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me know if it's a repeat. All right. The first

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time I saw the hat Man, I was about eight

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years old. We lived in a haunted house in the

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country in a small town in Idaho. Each of my

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family members has a story, including the non believers, but

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this is the main one that affected me and some

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of my nieces. I used to sleep in the living

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room because I was the youngest of ten and we

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only had three bedrooms. My brother even had to sleep

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in a trailer out back because there was no room me.

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Mammy used to keep night lights on so no one

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would trip going to the bathroom, but they used to

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create shadows on the walls. One of the shadows was

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the hat Man. He was tall and thin and had

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a fedora hat with a long cloak with the collar

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turned up, not a fedora and the collar up. Okay

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that I had not heard a description of the hat

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man with this. This is the hat man from the

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two thousands, I think so. Yeah, he graduated high school

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in twenty ten. Wait were people still doing that the

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pop collar? Yeah? I think so. I don't remember. I

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think it was a little bit before to whatever going.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it was my It was like two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: My era. Okay, that's when this hat man was in school,

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all right. He was more of a shadow. I could

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see through him, and he would stretch himself to an

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impossible height and had really long fingers and sharp teeth.

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and I could move. I would usually cover my head

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with my blanket and say the me that prayer. This

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is in parentheses. I'm no longer religious, but I still

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say this. I'm scared same. Eventually I would fall asleep

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and wake up safe. One day I saw him in

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the daytime. It was April and I was eleven, so

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this would have been in two thousand and one. I

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saw the hat man off and on, but this was

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the first time I would see him in the light.

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Since we lived in the country, the bus had to

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pick us up, and it was always too early, like

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six forty five am. By now, all my siblings had

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moved out and I was the only one left. I

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would usually go out to wait for the bus ten

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minutes or ten minutes early, because if I missed it,

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no one would be home to take me. I should

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also mention we had no close neighbors. The nearest ones

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were half a mile away, and we were surrounded by

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fields and a patch of sagebrush the desert. I was

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gonna say, dessert desert across the street. Welcome to Idaho. Lol.

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It sounds terrible, but there was a river nearby. Often

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in the early mornings there would be a thick, heavy

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fog that would settle over the area, and that day

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the fog was thick. I remember looking to my right

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to try and see if I could see the bus's

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fog lights blinking in the distance. Instead, I saw him,

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the tall hat man, looking extremely tall and thin that day.

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about a block away, I could tell he was smiling,

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and he was starting to run towards me. Oh my god,

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I panicked. But then I saw the lights of the

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bus like a beacon in the fog. I started to

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pray the bus would get here before him, and watched

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with hopeful eyes as the bus passed through him. But

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he was not far behind. I had to cross the

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street to get on the bus, and normally the bus

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driver puts on the stop sign and motions for me

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to pass, but I was now waiting that day. By

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the time the bus stopped, I was already across the

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street trying to open the damn bus doors myself. The

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hat man was so close I could see his coat

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was tattered and his mouth was wide open, showing his

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sharp white teeth. I jumped in the bus and yelled

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at the driver to close the door. She was shocked

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and asked if I was okay. I turned around and

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the hat man was gone. Embarrassed, I said I was

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just cold, sorry, and I sat in my seat. That

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was the one and only time I saw him in

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the daylight. Incidentally, I recently found out my nieces also

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saw him when they stayed over at my parents' house,

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but they never told me until we had all grown up.

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As a teen, I started to have sleep prolysses, and

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he would often make an appearance. Usually he'd be at

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the foot of my bed or in my doorway watching me.

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which was all the time. Then in my early twenties,

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I started to get new sleep prelessis demons appearing. The

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next one I can only describe as being smooth and gray,

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almost alien like. Instead of eyes and a mouth, it

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had empty sockets that seemed to go on forever. This

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one was cruel, as it would have mimicked the voice

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of my husband would hold me while I was on

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my side, like we were spooning. The third one was

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almost funny, like it was a fuzzy puffball and it

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made grumlin noises at the foot of my bed. By

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the time I was twenty nine, I've had enough. I

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asked my mom to do a Lympia on me, as

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I hadn't been sleeping for three weeks, and each time

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I did, I saw one of those pincha lemonios. She did,

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and after that I could finally sleep. I'm now thirty

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two and I no longer see any sleep demons. I

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so get sleep prolyssis, but it's mostly me saying no

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as I started to come out of it. Hopefully I

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never see them again, Yes, hopefully, because wow, that's that's terrifying.

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I can't wait. They held out on Olympia for twenty

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nine years, right, yeah, that would have been me on

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day one. What is that thing?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've heard of the hat man. There's

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like a lore about it. What are they? They're like

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certain type of things that people A lot of people

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Speaker 1: And my wrong?

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Speaker 2: Or am I just two? In the spooky podcast.

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Speaker 1: Real No No, yeah, it's a very very common thing

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that people see. There's also there was a TikTok challenge

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they were chugging benadru and then at some point this

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would make you see the hat Man. But some people

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don't need benadrul to see them. Some people just see

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them all over the world. Yeah, there's even a website

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like hat Man stories dot com or something like that.

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That's not the name but of it. Okay, okay, that's fine. Yeah,

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it's like he's a shadow, a specific type of shadow people.

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people think they're like demonic other people think they're angels.

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they're stressed. So I don't want to I ever see one,

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to me and I'm in a very tiny space. What

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that not all the shadow people wore hats. I was

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gonna say, there's a different hat men in different countries

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they wear like their regional hat where, you know what

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Speaker 1: And then like or even Texas. Yeah, you know, I

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don't know, like a Fedora in the two thousands, you

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know what I mean? I honestly only ever heard of

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them more in like a Fedora type hat. Oh what

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did I think? It was like a long hat, like yeah,

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like Abe Lincoln. I was just going to say, yeah,

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that's what I know. I think it's like a shorter hat. Yeah,

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like a shorter than a top hat. So yeah, I

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guess fedora is really the best description. Okay, well that

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was the listener story. And now pretty Scott Carmen and

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I read yes and pretty Mass and I don't remember

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if it was a it was a not a pretty Mas,

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right the paranormal?

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don't see fantasmas, I think we're very like closed off.

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We were like our mom, is this this dia? For sure?

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Just too many eghost stories. They're all terrifying. And that

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chapter I was like oh, well, police Gut probably has

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ghost stories. So where do we even start? First? I

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remember radio episode where you said your apartment was haunted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've lived in two places that were haunted. One

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was my parents and then now where I'm living in

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this place.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm pretty sure I spooked him. But my parents.

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One was a woman and it was in my brother's room.

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Speaker 2: She just stayed there, so I never saw her, but

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everybody knew about her. I don't know if that makes sense.

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Like my brother was like I woke up on sleep

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paralysis and I saw this woman standing and my sister

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had a dream and she saw her and I just

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felt her. It was like that like if his room

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if the house it was night and his room was

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open and dark. I hated walking through that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: And we shared a bathroom. My sister and I had

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this one room together. He had his own bedroom and

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we shared a bathroom. And you know, like the door

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connects you can open like a little fake it's a

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real door, but it slides in. It's like a pocket

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door that would go to his room. And if he

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left it open, I'd be still pissed, like I'd like,

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you know, like yourself right, Like I'd like reach in

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and close it before I go to go into the bathroom,

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because like she was terrifying.

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Speaker 1: I hated being home alone. My mom.

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Speaker 2: She always says, we, uh, we didn't let her learn

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English because she started taking classes in the community college

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and we called her crying, me and my sister because

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she left us alone and we were like, she's here,

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She's gonna come and get us. Yeah, so she blames

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us for not learning English, right, right, English?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we all the kids felt her. My mom

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she if if she got too carried away made us

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more scared. My dad would get mad at her because

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then they couldn't do shit without us, So she had

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to like pretend that it wasn't real, even though we

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would catch moments where she'd be like, oh, that scared me.

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I think I saw something or whatever. She would like

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mention it, but then my dad would give her like

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shut the fuck up by.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we grew up with that. And then this

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house has a man. Yeah, and which one's worse.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if.

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Speaker 2: I'm just in a better space as a kid. You're

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so vulnerable, you can't believe I couldn't drive. I couldn't,

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you know what I mean, Like.

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Speaker 1: I was stuck in the house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And my parents we were indoor kids, and

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my parents weren't like, oh, go play outside. No, Like

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I didn't go outside ever, so like if it was

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scary me, I wasn't gonna go outside. I was just

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like gonna go to my room that was right next

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to it.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like I have more agency or more power, yes, and.

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Speaker 2: That feels good. He also isn't stuck to the house.

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He's like, uh, in the neighborhood, like.

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Speaker 1: The corner comes and goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I only got confirmation of him thought. I mean,

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I think my only pick me like tendencies come in

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like the ways that I try to disprove that ghosts

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aren't real sometimes. But that's like my pick me tendencies

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that sometimes I'd be like.

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Speaker 1: Are you sure?

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Speaker 2: And I hate it, but I like do that to myself,

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and I had.

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Speaker 1: Who got fighting yourself?

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Speaker 2: You're like you see something from the side and you're like, oh,

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it must have been the hair or whatever, but like

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you just like dismiss it. And I kept doing that.

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And then so my husband was traveling for work and

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he would leave Sunday night and come back Thursday night

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and spend the weekend like Friday Saturday, and then leave Sunday.

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So I was home alone Sunday night, so fucking Thursday

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that was I was just sleeping alone. And so I

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would put I'm a very scared person. Surprisingly, I don't

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think people know that. Like I am too, like I'm

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scared of shit, like I'm like it's dark. I put

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a stadium all around the house like when I'm home alone,

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like it is every corner is lit. So when he

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wasn't home, I would put the alarm out away. The

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dogs would be in the bedroom with being I would

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close the door. We don't do that one more together.

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It's always at stay because the dog came roam and

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the doors are open. But I had put it away

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and I was with the dogs, and I would get

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really high to go to sleep, because like you know,

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marijuana helps you go to sleep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I would also put like pots and pants on

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the handle of the doors, which is like my grandma's

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alarm system too. So I was like if the alarm

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doesn't trip it, the pop foul following will trip.

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Speaker 1: It or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I was in my bed. I was really high

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and it was the middle of the night, and I

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just like got up and we had a dog, a boy.

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We had a boy dog and a girl dog. The

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girl dog's a pitbull. She's over here sleeping, but the

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boy's gone. But he was a like a lab boxer

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mix and he was like a ninety five pound big

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dog and he's really sweet. Anyways, I like woke up

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and Randy was sitting looking up and there was a

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man petting him, and he like, no, it was like glowing,

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like it was like the room was lit up. And

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he he didn't look like a person, Like he didn't

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look like he was of this dimension or this era.

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And I was just like and I just like laid back.

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I didn't see Yeah, and I covered my wages because

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I was like, if Brandy's not scared of him, he

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can't be a bad man.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was telling myself. I do that. I

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sounded like he had like an indelic glow to him. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't feel scared, which is also

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a thing, Like I felt scared of the woman in

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my parents' house. I didn't feel scared of this man.

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And so I just like fell back asleep. Apparitions are

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really rare.

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Speaker 1: I found out sick. They are like a number of

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people that see like a full blown apparition. Yeah, it's yeah,

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not a lot. Yeah. He had a hat on.

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Speaker 2: He was white, and he looked like his clothes was flowy,

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like the undergarments of like back in the day.

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Speaker 1: So he had like his.

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Speaker 2: Flowy clothes and like his what it would be like

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the underwear, but they were like capris.

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Speaker 1: Looking anyway, long pants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mostly have felt him upstairs in our

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guest room, so this was the first time that I

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had to see them downstairs and it's our room. And

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I like told my partner about it when he got back,

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and he was like, ha ha ha ha. You know

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marijuana makes you to see things. I was like sure,

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I said, no one ever, but.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this isn't LSD.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And then I made friends with there was

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We had a neighbor across the street.

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Speaker 1: She was witchy.

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Speaker 2: She's like reiki and like like you know, crystals and whatever.

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So she's like, let's go to the crystal shop and

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pick out some crystals. See what our souls called to

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us or whatever. And I was like sure, let's go.

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I love with some WITCHI she.

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Speaker 1: And I love like white. I'm down for each other.

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I don't know. I don't know a lot about like

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Mexican brouca yet, but I feel like it doesn't involve

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that many crystals. I sound like a white woman's like,

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this crystal is for your house to protect it. I'm like, yes,

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I'll take it, I'll give it to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all my crystals are because I herd I met her,

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and I have a bunch of crystals. But we went

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to get him, and I'm the drave back. We're turning

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into like because we're on the dead end. As returning in,

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she was like, so have you met David? And I

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was like, what are you talking? What are you talking about? Yeah,

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because like I don't talk to anybody. The first their

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neighbor I've talked to and she tells me all the

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neighborhood gossips.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't know anybody.

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Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, the neighborhood ghost and I was

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like I think.

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, And I told her my story. She's like,

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I'm surprised that you didn't get a bad vibe because

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my kids cry a lot, and they don't like She's

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seen him with her daughter and the daughter was crying, and.

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Speaker 1: So he doesn't like kids.

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Speaker 2: So she's like, I don't think he likes kids because

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she's like, I don't get a bad vibe toward like

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me basically, but I get bad vibes toward my kids

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when he's around. So yeah, I was like, oh, so

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he hops to house the house here, He's just he's

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locked in the land. He's not locked in the houses. Cool, cool,

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cool cool cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So honestly, if you were a ghost, that

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would be like the best scenario I think, where you

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can like go see different people instead of being stuck

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in like a room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds worse. Yeah, And I think they're attracted

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to energy, so I'm like, yeah, go to go to

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the negative vibes will keep it positive. Here, we're like

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we don't welcome around those kids, yeah right right, Yeah.

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And I think I accidentally kicked him out because I

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did a big Olympia, Like I was falling down the

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stairs a lot for a while, and so I was like,

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somebody put in Mardlaho and I just needed to do Olympia.

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And since I did Olympia. I haven't seen them, so.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah he's been in the kids room shadows.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but my go those are

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like my Maine two experiences that I've had.

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Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, neither of us have ever seen anything. We

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have like a fake ghost story where I scared everyone

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because I was scared. Where we were, like at the

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at this true crime festival paranormal podcast festival. We were

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with I don't know if you listened to Susto, but

471
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we were with Aiden from susta podcast, and then Lady

472
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who has an insane amount of podcasts, and we were

473
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eating pizza and then like the the door was already

474
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half open, and but I didn't see it that it

475
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was already half open. And then a closet kicked on. Yeah,

476
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it was like a closet door. And then the door

477
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like flew open because it was already open, and the

478
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AC turned on. But I just saw a door open,

479
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and I know, I was like, did that door just open?

480
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You saw it? And then you just started screaming and

481
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I didn't even get a chance to explain, like I

482
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think it was AC, yeah, and then you scared everyone

483
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by screaming. I started screaming, and then I climbed over

484
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Carmen on the table and then she was like, and

485
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you want to go go shunting, you dumb bitch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to go go hunting, And like, I

487
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have cra certain things, So yeah, I get it. It's

488
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fun to get scared. I think it's really fun. It

489
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is I the only one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think it is fun,

491
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but I think the moment I encountered like a real ghost,

492
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I will you're just a littlelyitch. Yeah, over and dying.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have we have to see should we

495
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all go go hunting together? Have a oh my gosh.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have to bring up pet though I

497
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think pets are really aware of what's happening. Carmen, let's

498
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bring my low Mallow's already there.

499
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Speaker 1: I honestly don't think he would be that aware. He

500
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doesn't even notice, like when we're when I'm walking him

501
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and there's like cats or any other animal. He only

502
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,920
notices dogs that are smaller than him. I think it's

503
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an ego thing. Surprise. That's so sweet.

504
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Speaker 2: Actually, I don't know why. Wait, but I've seen or

505
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like I have hotel stuff. Have you all like been

506
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at hotels that you felt were haunted, or like.

507
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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't, I don't experience haunting, just that fake

508
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:05,440
uh door, it's not even something you shouldn't tell just

509
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,359
stop saying it. Yes, but I can't. But yeah, other

510
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,759
than that, it's haunted. See, yeah I was haunted. Yes

511
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:20,039
you were you haunted? Using Okay, Yeah, but no, we don't.

512
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We don't experience like anything. Like one of our house

513
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,000
is no, actually, almost every house I feel like they've

514
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,599
been haunted. Yeah, allegedly they've been haunted. And everyone has

515
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:33,839
ghost stories in these houses except that two of us. Wait, like,

516
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I don't know. I don't know why.

517
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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm the least witchiest of my friends,

518
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Like I legit. I'm always jealous of the things they

519
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,920
see and the things they feel going into places, And

520
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,359
right now I feel really witchy though, because I do,

521
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,279
I'll feel like there's a spirits here.

522
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Speaker 1: No us nothing, which is crazy because our mom and

523
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:57,519
our brother literally very witchy. They could have a show.

524
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:06,759
They're like, they're yeah, they see everything, and us we're like, nope,

525
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,680
absolutely nothing like that. The house people are like, oh,

526
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we heard footsteps up in our brother's room. Was haunted

527
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and both of the houses we were at, Yeah, I

528
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,000
think they only it has to be really bad, where

529
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like you feel like a temperature drop in the room.

530
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But at that point, I feel like anybody would feel it.

531
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If I'm feeling it, then the situation is not like

532
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,079
because yeah, we don't. We don't see or hear anything

533
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,680
like that. One house in Oakland, the first one we

534
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,559
lived in, our brother couldn't sleep in his room. He

535
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,000
kept saying there was like something there in that room.

536
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,000
Everyone was like, it feels creepy in here. People would

537
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,480
hear footsteps. It did feel colder in that room. I

538
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,680
will say that I didn't actually feel that. Yeah, our

539
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,079
cousin has a story of being like feeling like a

540
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hand when she's shammering, but obviously like no one else

541
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,359
is in the shower and like scratches and we're like, wow,

542
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,680
I had no idea. And they talked about hearing like

543
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:01,160
whispers that's right from coming from that room. M Yeah,

544
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:02,880
I'm so surprised.

545
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Speaker 2: I guess I wonder what happened, because like, sometimes it

546
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,640
just feels like intuition hauntings, Like right, when something just

547
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,400
feels weird, do you do you chalk it? To intuition

548
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:17,519
or are you just and are other people being like

549
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,559
this is a ghost? Like I wonder.

550
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Am I intuitive? I don't think,

551
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,519
so I can say I don't. I don't think. Yeah,

552
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,160
how am How am I still alive? That's the question,

553
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:36,000
and that pertains to all aspects of live, including us. Yeah,

554
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:38,240
we like to say we share one brain cell, and

555
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,680
so that brain cell doesn't say that's why it's so

556
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,640
close off to ghost?

557
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Speaker 2: What do you think makes you closed off to it?

558
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,279
I've always wondered it about me too, because like my

559
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,200
mom's witch here, I've got witchy friends, and I'm always like.

560
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Speaker 1: Okay, have you heard it's like on the gift? Is

561
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:00,200
that a thing that like your family says at all?

562
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,640
It doesn't feel like a gift at all.

563
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,519
Speaker 2: But they're too Christians?

564
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe because they converted right, like they weren't always

565
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:14,799
maybe before when was it from Catholicism to Yes, the

566
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,880
usual Catholics are very witchy, very yeah, they are the

567
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,200
most Like I almost feel like we weren't even real

568
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,960
Catholics ever because we didn't seen it. But no, that

569
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,559
was like a thing like they would say, oh that

570
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,960
person has like that person has a gift, and I

571
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,759
feel like, well, we don't have the doon at all,

572
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but we have like like someone was telling us that

573
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we probably just like I don't want to see ghosts

574
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at all, like just in like our own which is true,

575
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,359
which is true, and like we just closed ourselves off completely.

576
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Like what's it called when you accidentally do something. There's

577
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,960
like a term for it. Subconsciously. Yeah, I got there.

578
00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:01,079
Our one my brain cell was working, not yours, Carmen. Yeah,

579
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,680
like we just did that subconsciously, and that's why we

580
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:06,240
just like have never seen anything. But I could see

581
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:09,359
it from from seeing how scared our brother was from

582
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,359
everything he saw. I could see like subconsciously closing. That's

583
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,119
true because see, yeah, it was like screaming in the

584
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:19,559
middle of the night, running into our parents room. He

585
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:21,839
couldn't even be like he's gonna be so well, he

586
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,480
doesn't talk to us, he's gonna be so mad as

587
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:25,960
wen't talking about him. But he doesn't matter, he doesn't

588
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,480
want anywhere. No, But he was like really haunted, just

589
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:31,240
like our mom had that like haunting around the same

590
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,960
age as when you say yeah, like yeah, well his

591
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,880
he was little, but and then our dad said he

592
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,839
he would see ghosts too, so it's just us too. Yeah,

593
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,039
but like a typical savv man, he's like I would

594
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,640
punch the ghosts and we're like whatever please.

595
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: But also like why does that tinkle my brain? Like

596
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,039
I've heard it before.

597
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that goes hard just to scare me.

598
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,440
But I was like no, and I went and we

599
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,640
were like. He's like I reached you the fan and

600
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,839
I was like, I'm dead.

601
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad saw ghost too. It was like normal

602
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,920
growing up. So I think I think it's weird that

603
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,519
I don't feel and see as much for sure, But yeah,

604
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,680
I grew up with that being like super common, super

605
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:26,119
talked about. It's almost weird to me. So my partner

606
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:32,200
is white, and I always like try to figure out

607
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,599
like is he just lying that he doesn't see anything?

608
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,559
And I'm always like.

609
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:39,119
Speaker 1: Oh, is he like super logical too, like trying to

610
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,119
explain it away, because that's my husband is half white

611
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,359
and half Filipino, and so he just like channels the

612
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,279
white side when it comes to ghosts because also very

613
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,640
start yes they are, yes, yes they are, and he's not,

614
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,400
and so he's like, uh, we'll explain something away and

615
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,559
and I'm like, I don't know about that.

616
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. He shuts it down

617
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,759
all the time, but one day he admitted he did

618
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,880
feel something. And I was like, he was in the bathroom.

619
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,400
His office is upstairs, and he was in the bathroom.

620
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,000
He sat something at the corner of his eye, and

621
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:11,160
I was like, so you saw.

622
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,799
Speaker 1: The red.

623
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. He has since pretended it never happened, but

624
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,920
oh yeah, I remember, yeah there were yeah.

625
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

626
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: I also feel like images. I don't have to see it,

627
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,559
I just know what they look like.

628
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,559
Speaker 1: Sometimes so interesting.

629
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: I was a flash, like yeah, like exactly, like a flash,

630
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,039
like I was in the hotel room. I just get

631
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:43,640
a lot. I end up in a lot of hotels,

632
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,839
and I have had two ghosts encounters in hotel rooms,

633
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:48,440
but recently.

634
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Speaker 1: Okay hotel.

635
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: It's a Marriott, one of the Marriotts, and because I

636
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,759
only stay a Marriott, and it was old though, but

637
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,079
they had like done upgrades, but you could tell it

638
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,279
was old. Anyways, I was like trying to fall asleep

639
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:06,000
by struggle with falling asleep when I'm traveling, and it

640
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,840
was all dark, and I just saw like a flash

641
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,039
of a man skinny naked standing at the foot of

642
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:17,760
the bed. He had like no hair here, but a

643
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,280
lot of bushy hair here, and like just standing there naked,

644
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:25,400
like flaccid and.

645
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: Looking at me. And I was like, another fool apple.

646
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,840
It wasn't visual.

647
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: Though it was. It was just a flash and I

648
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,039
saw it in my head and I turned on the

649
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:43,280
light and I was like the fuck, but like there's

650
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,960
nothing there, so I turned it off and I kept

651
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,880
trying to go to sleep. So I get that, Like

652
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,559
I get like these like weird, this is weird.

653
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:58,119
Speaker 1: I don't like this. Wow, No, not us. There's just

654
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,920
like a ghost tours you can do in Portland. It's

655
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,320
under like a pizza place of the tunnels. Yeah, the tunnels.

656
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:07,159
I don't even remember the name of the pizza place,

657
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:11,119
but I mean if anyone googles like pizza place Hunted Portland,

658
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:12,920
it's going to be the only one, I think, yeah,

659
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,559
because it has those tunnels. And we did a tour

660
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:17,719
there with our mom and the whole time our mom

661
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,280
was like, no, I don't like it in this room,

662
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,960
and she felt like sick to her stomach, and then

663
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,159
she was like stop taking pictures, don't record me. We

664
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,199
could not record her. She did not allow us to

665
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,400
record her, and then in another room she was like,

666
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,920
it smells like fire here, and it didn't smell like fire,

667
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000
but she smelled the fire. And then the person giving

668
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,679
the tour was like, oh, this is where the fire happened.

669
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,840
We after our mom said it, and I was like, oh,

670
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,159
she knows.

671
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: I don't remember that she knows. Do you ever wonder

672
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,639
if you could activate it or try to? You all

673
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,199
don't want to know.

674
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,599
Speaker 1: Someone told us that they could teach us how to

675
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,480
open it, and I was like, no, thank you. She

676
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,039
did tell us that. Yeah, yeah, and she was like, yeah,

677
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,119
you guys can learn. It's like something anyone can learn.

678
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,960
And I was like not me, no, no.

679
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: No, what would you do with one of your kids?

680
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: Is like I saw a ghost. Let me tell you

681
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,760
what I have done. Yes, I gats slighted them. It

682
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,639
was not my youngest too, but my stepson. And again

683
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,239
my mom one day was like, yeah, there's a ghost,

684
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,599
little girl ghost in your room. And I was like, no,

685
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,719
don't tell me. She said it was a little boy.

686
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,719
Oh I thought she said it was. It doesn't matter,

687
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,039
it was a little kid ghost. I thought she said girl.

688
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:34,519
She was like yeah, your house is tunted and I

689
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:36,679
was like, please don't tell me more like yeah, that

690
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,079
was me like covering my ears. But before she said

691
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,920
that though my steps and was like I heard a

692
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,480
little girl laugh in my room and I was like,

693
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,880
are you asleep? Were you dream He was like no,

694
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,320
I was awake and I was like, no, you were

695
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,960
probably dreaming. And then he was like no, I heard it,

696
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,239
and I was like, shut the fuck up. No, there's

697
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,519
no way. And then he was like was it a ghost?

698
00:36:56,519 --> 00:37:01,360
And I was like, uh no, ghosts aren't real, literally

699
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,000
the worst. And what maybe I should have like validated,

700
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:05,679
should be like you can just tell it to go away,

701
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,360
but no, I was scared. What's racing to throw up?

702
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:15,039
Was that before the podcast or after? It was? Before? Oh?

703
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,480
What did you do things differently? Now? No, I probably wouldn't,

704
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,199
like I would want to, but in the moment, you're like,

705
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,599
in the moment I would, I would start praying and

706
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:25,480
then they'd be like you've never done this, What are

707
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:31,440
you doing? What are you doing? Who's gone? Yeah, I

708
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:31,920
didn't know.

709
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:34,639
Speaker 2: I don't know what the play is in that, because

710
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,039
like I feel like you can fan the flames and

711
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:39,280
make them more scared and then you're going to face

712
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,599
the consequences of that. But then you also want to

713
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:45,280
like encourage I don't know, maybe.

714
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,039
Speaker 1: They have I hope not. If they do, they need

715
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:51,320
to keep it to themselves.

716
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the did you ever watch ghost Whisper.

717
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: With I know? I it was randomly on in Spanish

718
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,320
sometimes like and I would watch the end of episode. Yeah,

719
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:04,360
but I never fully like watched the whole thing.

720
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was obsessed with it. So the lore

721
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,360
behind it is that her mom always told her she

722
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,639
was crazy when she would tell her mom that she

723
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,519
would hear like ghosts telling her stuff. And then it

724
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:18,119
turns out in the show, when she's like much older

725
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:20,480
and they don't have a really good relationship the mom,

726
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,119
she discovers that the mom has the same gift. The

727
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,639
mom just like pretends it isn't happening because she's scared

728
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:29,480
and like me, they had a huge rift and like

729
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,960
it wasn't a good relationship, but like, yeah, it was

730
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,400
like a thing that they had to repair or whatever.

731
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, all right, okay, okay.

732
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: So you have a ghost whisper.

733
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: Potentially it was the one time and then it did

734
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,440
he didn't like say anything. But maybe it's because I

735
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,599
was like, no, yeah, probably knows, who knows if we

736
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,159
continue to see anything. And then after that, but I

737
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:57,000
think it's because I already knew the story. I felt

738
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,280
so scared going into that room. Oh yeah. And then

739
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,480
when we switched him to the other room and put

740
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,079
the youngest in there, it was fine. So then I

741
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:09,719
was like, I don't know if not alone, Yeah, I don't,

742
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,719
I don't know, it was. It was strange. And then

743
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,480
one time when I was and again I was trying

744
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,320
to explain it away to myself because I don't I

745
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,599
don't want it to be real, but I was I

746
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:23,960
don't remember if it was when my oldest was like

747
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,880
a tiny newborn, I think it was him, not yeah,

748
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,719
it was him, so it was him, yeah, And you know,

749
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,519
I'm like half asleep. I don't even remember those like time,

750
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,639
like that time period until he was like three, I

751
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,280
basically like, I don't know what was happening. Yeah, he

752
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,039
regained your memory, Yes, I regained life really yeah, But

753
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,119
but those first like three months were just in I

754
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:48,000
don't even know how it was functioning. And so I

755
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:49,960
was like half a sleep walking from the living room

756
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,480
to my room in the middle of the night, like

757
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,000
it must have been honestly, like two three am, and

758
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:59,960
I heard like a very faint mama and I hate

759
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,440
didn't talk yet. No, first, he didn't talk. He's like

760
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,880
literally a month old at most, my stepson. He's not

761
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,119
gonna call me mama. I gotta be weird. So it

762
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,519
wasn't him. Also, it was like like a fine little

763
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,079
voice and nobody like sounds like that, and so I

764
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,840
was like nope, and I just went and I fell asleep,

765
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:19,920
and then I was like, yeah, no, that didn't happen.

766
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,480
That's basically how I lived. I don't know what that was,

767
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,760
except I was hallucinating because I was like so sleep deprived.

768
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,760
So that's how I explained it away to myself. But

769
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,920
then later, like a year or two after that, is

770
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,599
when my mom said like, oh, your house is haunted,

771
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:40,239
like there's like a little girl in that room. And

772
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,880
then I was like, oh my god, a little girl

773
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,480
that sounds like that would have been like the mama

774
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:45,079
that I heard.

775
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:55,159
Speaker 3: But then I was like, no, no, so you totally

776
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:56,559
have haunting stories.

777
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: You just you do have a lot. Yeah, I don't know,

778
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,519
because I didn't I've never heard or seen anything like that. Yeah,

779
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,039
you know what, maybe I do. Okay, let me run

780
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:13,559
this story by you. Then the store, No, not the

781
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:17,320
store Tommy was with with us. That could have been her. Yeah,

782
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,360
that could have been I don't know, but no, this

783
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,400
is a separate one. So I was again asleep, and

784
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,000
then who were we? Oh we had been researching something

785
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:31,400
for all that remember what Oh the shape shifting like

786
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,280
thing from the name of the White Chio. That's what

787
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,159
we were researching. And I had finished, like everything, we

788
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:42,119
had finished recording, and that night I was asleep and

789
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,719
I heard like in my dream this like raspy man

790
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,239
voice say something like oh you want but in Spanish

791
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,000
like oh no sky so weed ha ha ha. And

792
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,039
I was like, like, I joke up. I was so

793
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,199
cold and sweaty my heart was seen. And then I

794
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,199
was like no, no, I don't want to hear you,

795
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:08,679
and like nobody everyone else was like sound asleep, like

796
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,239
my husband. My husband snort so loud, so he probably

797
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,480
didn't hear me, like just like screaming like no, I

798
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,800
don't want to hear you. Get out of here. And

799
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,519
then after that that was like literally the last time

800
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,679
I ever heard anything. But you know what, Oh my god,

801
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:25,760
now I'm rambling the mama, like hearing the mama. And

802
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,119
this was not that far apart. It was like maybe months.

803
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: So I'm a big So this is this is my

804
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,159
explained stuff. Right. There's this academic who I use as

805
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,480
a source in my in my book, but she talks

806
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:47,360
gets about like uh so she's she studies ghosts, encounters,

807
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,719
and hauntings and what she like her thesis is that

808
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,679
oppression when you don't have a name for it, when

809
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,320
like she's just going wrong all the time because you're

810
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,639
like a woman of color who's an immigrant who you

811
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:06,079
know what I mean. So stuff's just always going wrong.

812
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: And we don't have a name for it. They feel like.

813
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: They feel like a haunting, they feel like something like

814
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,400
you start getting paranoid because you're like, is someone following me?

815
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,719
Is someone watching me? Did someone put this on me?

816
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,920
So anyways, that's one of her theories. And I will

817
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,039
say the most activity I've had with David was at

818
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,199
the beginning of my relationship, and this is my second marriage.

819
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:36,960
I had moved here after we were like dating for

820
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,960
like five months. I moved from Miami back to Nashville,

821
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:45,639
and moved into his house. So like I was like,

822
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:51,440
my soul is not okay, Like, am I safe? Is

823
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,119
this a safe situation? Like if anything happens, what's gonna

824
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,119
happen to me? Am I gonna be homeless? So I

825
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:58,840
have to move back to Miami? Like there was just

826
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,400
like a lot of uns certainty. And I think that

827
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,599
that makes us maybe open to more stuff than we

828
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:06,000
would normally be or something.

829
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: I've always heard that. Yeah, like during stressful times.

830
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's just turmoil and sometimes it feels like

831
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,039
hauntings and it can manifest and self as huntings. I

832
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,639
don't know, or it's just straight up you're just more open.

833
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: And so goes to like nope, I'm going to wait there,

834
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:26,239
not that one because.

835
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: You're like fresh from like yeah that was you having

836
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:33,159
a little baby stressful imagine?

837
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you know what. That makes a lot of sense.

838
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,559
That's another reason people say kids are more like, uh,

839
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:44,079
susceptible to huntings or like whenever they say, oh, this

840
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,280
is a poultry geist, like that's like why so many

841
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:51,360
of it is Like teens especially like that period where

842
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,840
you go from like kid to teen is like so

843
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,360
and that's like that's the most turmoil. That's like the

844
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,000
worst guy.

845
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,199
Speaker 2: You feel like you're on your attack by your own

846
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,320
body and hormones and you're just like I cried, like

847
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,039
I think for seven years straight.

848
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: It was awful. I also blocked that time period. I

849
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,800
don't remember anything.

850
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have huge chunks gone. We try to

851
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:18,079
like be dr and my body's just like no, yeah, yeah.

852
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: There's yeah, there's there's so much I don't remember. So

853
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:24,239
that would yeah, that would explain. Oh my god, that

854
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,159
would expend so much. I'm mind blown right now.

855
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: Our ghosts or ghosts always our ghosts I because I

856
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,760
want to be I want to see ghosts. I want

857
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,960
to believe that they're out there.

858
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: Hear her, hear her?

859
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,119
Speaker 3: Are you.

860
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,199
Speaker 1: Like when my mom was hung as her story and

861
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,519
she's all like, because I'm talking about this, sounds like no,

862
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,440
you're not welcome here. No, And then she was like

863
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,840
that doesn't work and we were like, ma, it must

864
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,480
have worked for me.

865
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: Don't say that. Yeah, it just sounds so cool. But

866
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,760
people have so many stories. I I'm always like, oh, yeah,

867
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,719
this one guy I saw petting my dog like you know.

868
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,079
And meanwhile people are like, my friend found out her

869
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:21,159
family history, like her grandfather was murdered and in front

870
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,960
of the grandmother he died on her lap, like he

871
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,360
was shot in the head, and so they never met him,

872
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,840
the grandkids. But she like went to Guatemala again and

873
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,760
like felt super connected to him spiritually, came back, made

874
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,400
an altar for him. Apparently he liked whiskey, so she

875
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,079
would like set a couple of whiskey and it would

876
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,639
it would be empty every morning, and I was just like,

877
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,480
I want.

878
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,559
Speaker 1: That shiite cone. That what I would welcome. Like I

879
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,360
feel like everybody but me has had like a story,

880
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,039
even a tiny one with after our grandfather passed away

881
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,199
where they're like, oh, I smelled his perfume and I'm like, oh,

882
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,519
I saw him in my dream and I'm like, I

883
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:05,840
haven't seen anything. Oh yeah, I've dreamt him a few times.

884
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,760
And they say, yeah, that's literally them visiting you. That's

885
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,800
how they can visit you in their dreams, uh, and

886
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:13,679
not me.

887
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 2: So that's up, Like I would love that stuff. That

888
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:19,840
is like I want to be that connected like this

889
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:29,119
random white guy David. But if my grandma came and

890
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:31,960
talked to me because I'm so open, that that would

891
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,440
be legit.

892
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, yeah, this kid welcome. Yeah. Yeah.

893
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:41,360
Her mom had that experience with her grandpa where he

894
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,440
would kind of come. It seemed like he would come

895
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,280
and warn her whenever something bad was going to happen,

896
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,159
and she would dream him like either crying or something

897
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,400
like like different things like that. She would he would

898
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,960
be sitting or like facing away from her, walking away

899
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,000
from her, trying to catch up, and if she couldn't

900
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,679
catch up to him, uh, something like bad would happen.

901
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,000
And that's literally every time she had that dream, or

902
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:07,800
she'd be like I saw him and I sat in

903
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,639
a bench and he didn't like say word to me.

904
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:11,320
He kept turning away from me, and I just have

905
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,119
a feeling something bad is going to happen because of

906
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,119
that dream. And then someone would die yeah yeah. Or

907
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:17,960
one time it was a woman got to a car accident.

908
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:22,320
Yeah yeah, I would want like that.

909
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: My mom has like something bad's gonna happen stuff or

910
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,840
something is going to happen, and always something happens when

911
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,639
she says it, and it's happened like five times my

912
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:34,159
whole life that she'll say it, and I don't get

913
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,440
any feeling like I would love a little warning about anything.

914
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:40,039
Speaker 1: I would like that to be a little intuitive and

915
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:42,400
like a little bit like future telling me.

916
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me a heads up, like my anxiety would

917
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,800
really love it?

918
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,559
Speaker 1: Right? Or would it be worse?

919
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,159
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't do terror for that reason.

920
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean? I would never remember

921
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,920
what each card man, and I would like literally say

922
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,920
the wrong thing. That's why I can't be trusted. But yeah,

923
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,400
I don't know if people remember these things. Practice that

924
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,800
means death, then it doesn't. Yeah you're gonna die.

925
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:19,119
Speaker 2: Wow. That was me when I first was dealt the

926
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:21,760
death card. I was like, I'm dying, got it?

927
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: Thanks? No, And it was great.

928
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,199
Speaker 2: That was great rebirth or something.

929
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like a phoenix.

930
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, first and last time though doing taro. I don't

931
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,400
do well with knowing, so maybe.

932
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,199
Speaker 1: I've never done that or gone to like what are

933
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:41,239
those other ones that tell the future like pyecakes or yeah,

934
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,559
I couldn't like a watch and teller. No that's psychic.

935
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,920
Oh okay, just already said it. I don't just add anything.

936
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: You're right, I want to do one, but there's so

937
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:57,119
many hacks. Yeah, right, but there are good ones. I

938
00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:00,840
have a friend who's who's gatekeeping. Hers only pissed about it.

939
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the link not gate keep everything?

940
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:09,599
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and like she told me, Oh my gosh,

941
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,800
she's so accurate, and I'm like I've literally been like,

942
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,599
what's fair? Email, nothing, nothing leads you on rid.

943
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't see it.

944
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:21,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because there are there's so many hags like

945
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,559
I'm not gonna just walk somewhere. I need word of mouth,

946
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,360
I need verification, you.

947
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,119
Speaker 1: Need the details, you need that contact right there. Yeah.

948
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:33,280
Now our mom actually it's such like I don't know

949
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,760
what is it with our mom? But she was in Mexico.

950
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:39,320
It said, you're right, it's the gift. She went to

951
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,519
someone in like a psychic in Mexico. I thought it

952
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:45,960
was her aunt. Was it her aunt? I think? So

953
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:48,880
that's worse to me. I don't know why, which ant

954
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,679
or which he ant? Okay, so that's who told her,

955
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,239
like literally everything that was going to happen to like

956
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,639
the last like I don't know what to thinking almost

957
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:03,840
like to something I don't know when though to that

958
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,840
to a tea, like she's like, you're going to have

959
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,639
three kids, two of them are going to go to

960
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:13,039
the military, you're the person who you're the father of

961
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,719
your children. That's not the love of your life. Like

962
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,679
and my mom's like, what, oh, your your future is

963
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,679
not in Mexico, Like it's miles and miles away. And

964
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:25,280
she's like before she had any thought about leaving. Yeah, yeah,

965
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:27,679
and all of that, that's true.

966
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:36,199
Speaker 2: We need the contact, we need, we need to know.

967
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: I think so if I'm remembering right, I remember see

968
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,199
the whole time. Though I thought it was a random

969
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,400
I mean I could it could be that her aunt

970
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,000
took her to her friend who was the psychic. God

971
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,440
might have been it. Yeah, she might not be alive.

972
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,239
We don't know. I was even too scared to know.

973
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:55,519
Speaker 3: Though.

974
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: Christians, I don't know if it's in the Catholic Church,

975
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,960
but we have prophets who are like Christian psychics. Do

976
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:04,800
you all have that? Because they're in the Bible.

977
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: They're just I never heard of, y.

978
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like in the Bible there's prophets would be

979
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,639
like you're you're gonna die if you don't do that,

980
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:15,960
if you don't do what God says or whatever. But

981
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,639
like they make predictions like that. They they're like modern ones.

982
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,719
And so I've interacted with them, and the way that

983
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,880
it works is like instead of a sermon, they'll just

984
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,679
be a prophet and he'll he'll say people's names out loud,

985
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,239
and then the people will get up because they've been summoned,

986
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,000
I'll and he'll tell them their future. Yeah. It was

987
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:39,039
very but also you kind of want to be picked,

988
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,480
Like it's kind of like exciting because it's like the

989
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:44,760
prophet got a message from God about you.

990
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,639
Speaker 1: Let's go, what is it? My God? I'd be like,

991
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:49,119
that's too personal. You don't have to tell me.

992
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: You don't have to tell the whole congregation because say in.

993
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: Front of everyone, oh yeah, oh God, imagine you're gonna die. Yeah.

994
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 2: But it was like really intense stuff that you were like,

995
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:05,239
it was like a public reading.

996
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,199
Speaker 1: Wow. And was this prophet correct?

997
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: I don't know because I don't remember them because I

998
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,719
just remember being like I.

999
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: Didn't walk out.

1000
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:25,559
Speaker 2: I was just waiting the whole time, like was he

1001
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:26,440
gonna say about me?

1002
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: Nothing? Nothing? He said nothing?

1003
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:34,119
Speaker 2: He said something, my brother, But I don't remember that either.

1004
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: I have to ask him. Would I was so self centered.

1005
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:42,800
I was like, it wasn't about me, because that would

1006
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,039
be us too. I would do the same. You know

1007
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:47,519
what I would remember if it was something about you, Christina,

1008
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:51,800
but not a brother. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's like if

1009
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,719
it's me, it's like you. Yeah, that's why I would remember,

1010
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,760
because it's still like related to me, you know.

1011
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it.

1012
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:04,159
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait are you? Are you a Leo Tour? Yes?

1013
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:17,079
I love it. Yeah. Our birthday is likend Friday. It's Friday,

1014
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,760
the first time in a few years that's been on

1015
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,239
a Friday.

1016
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all have had the whole week up until now.

1017
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:29,239
Happy early birthday.

1018
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,199
Speaker 1: Related birthday too. It was it was.

1019
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: Boring, my my first boring one though. I used to

1020
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,480
be like, my whole personality was my birthday.

1021
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: But that's me. Yeah, I haven't ever since probably I

1022
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,880
had the children, because then, like you know, child Karen,

1023
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,840
all that leame things I can't do.

1024
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:50,159
Speaker 2: So I still like, yeah, I'm still like sort of

1025
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,719
like a dictator on my birthday. But it's like a

1026
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,400
huge improvement from what I used to be, for sure.

1027
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: I actually I used to be a lot worse too.

1028
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,000
I don't remember one time she was I don't know

1029
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,320
when I told my friends and I was like, something

1030
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,280
about my birthday. I don't know what. And they were

1031
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,000
like and I was like what, Like, I don't remember

1032
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,840
whatever it was. I was being mean to them and

1033
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,840
they were like, you can't act like that just because

1034
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,639
it's your birthday, and I was like, actually I can't.

1035
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 2: It's one day. And I used to like cry every

1036
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,320
birthday because I was so disappointed.

1037
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,599
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I.

1038
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: Could have done better.

1039
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. One time it was like I went to

1040
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,159
work so early, the earliest that I have everyone, and

1041
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,239
everyone was still asleep and I'm like I shouldn't have

1042
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,840
expected anything because it was so early, but because there's

1043
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,760
no logic here, I was like on your birthday, and

1044
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,159
I was like, nobody said happy birthday to me when

1045
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:44,920
I woke up, even the necessarily everyone was asleep. Everyone

1046
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,400
was asleep, like my husband was asleep. It was my

1047
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,519
step cent at the time, not the two youngest. But

1048
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,079
I'm like, you guys better have like a pinata for

1049
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:53,599
me when I get home from work, and I was

1050
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:55,320
like a too hour shift. I'm like, have a piata,

1051
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,000
I have a cake, and they did, but I was

1052
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:01,039
I was upset the whole day because you guys didn't

1053
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:05,039
tell me happy birthday on them, like nobody played to

1054
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:05,760
wake me up.

1055
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm no contact with my parents and I'm still

1056
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:14,159
upset they didn't call me this year. I told like

1057
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,599
everyone like me, I'm like, and they didn't call me,

1058
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,519
and they'll be like, did were you expecting?

1059
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: No?

1060
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: But I was gonna ignore it. But they could have

1061
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,639
caught damn.

1062
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's the thought that counts, and the thought

1063
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,119
was not there exactly the first timmer Mom because she

1064
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:32,960
she used to call us once we all moved out.

1065
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,920
She used to call us and play least Mayanitas, like

1066
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,000
holding her phone on the speaker. The first time, we

1067
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:39,360
just sent a YouTube link instead of doing that. I

1068
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,320
was like, nah, oh yeah, what happened. Like She's like,

1069
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,119
I don't have time today.

1070
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, right right, No? I feel that heavy no,

1071
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,639
but like I feel it in my soul. When my

1072
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,920
grandma used to do that when she died. I was like,

1073
00:56:57,159 --> 00:57:00,480
I expect you to do that now, Mom, I don't.

1074
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: One has to do it.

1075
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,599
Speaker 2: I made it clear about my expectations.

1076
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:13,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that. I love Leo's listen. We're the best,

1077
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,320
like the best to each other and the worst maybe

1078
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,960
to other people. I don't know. I don't know, and

1079
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,559
it doesn't matter exactly.

1080
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,679
Speaker 2: I think that's probably and that's fake news. I feel

1081
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:29,039
like we're great with people we love, yes, and isn't

1082
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:30,280
that's the whole.

1083
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: Point, right. Yeah. My supervisor sent me a TikTok and

1084
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:37,239
I was like, you're the nicest mean person I know,

1085
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,920
and I was like, yeah, yeah, I don't. When I

1086
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,920
do care about you, it's you could see it. But

1087
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,079
when I don't, Yeah, that sometimes I forget though, also

1088
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:51,920
to like care people I love too.

1089
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's hot. It's hard because I really think

1090
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,559
I'm like, I'm not being actively mean, so I'm being great.

1091
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I'm like, am I am I selfish?

1092
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:13,280
And I'm like, no, that's my biggest struggle.

1093
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: They're gonna like clip this whole thing like Leos.

1094
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,039
Speaker 1: We like, actually, I want to clip it myself.

1095
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: Oh and my sister is a LEO too, So I

1096
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:29,800
got to love that.

1097
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,719
Speaker 1: I love you.

1098
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,239
Speaker 2: It's the best. It's the worst and the best because

1099
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,320
because we're masters.

1100
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1101
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah, sometimes my partner will be like why are

1102
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,639
you all arguing? And we're like we're just talking, Like, yeah,

1103
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:51,679
nobody understands how harsh we can be except each other.

1104
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. The worst is when like the three of us,

1105
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:56,719
like when our brother does talk to us, and the

1106
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,000
three of us are in the same place and we're

1107
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,360
just having a conversation, and then our mom will be like,

1108
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:01,960
stop fighting, and we're like.

1109
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we're just talking. Yeah, my whole childhood was

1110
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:08,159
stop fighting.

1111
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:12,159
Speaker 1: I was like what. Yeah.

1112
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:14,519
Speaker 2: I hung out with my sister in law who's a

1113
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:18,960
pisces and my actual sister, and she kept being like,

1114
00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:22,039
be nice to each other, and me and her were

1115
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:25,039
so confused, my sister and her like my sister and yeah,

1116
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:35,840
like don't project that's your ship. Yeah you don't understand. Yeah, yeah,

1117
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,639
what are you all going to do for your birthdays?

1118
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: What's the plan? I'm going to Hawaiian and I went

1119
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:46,519
on a reading retreat earlier with my other LEO friend

1120
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,719
and my other friend. I don't even know what my

1121
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:55,199
other friend is. Actually, it doesn't matter. This is yeah.

1122
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, that's exciting. Is it your first time?

1123
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,400
And Hawaii that's gonna be really fun. I heard them

1124
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:04,760
don't bring back rocks?

1125
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah no, and I will put my butt on

1126
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:12,360
any rock either. Laurenston Yeah yeah, yeah she did that.

1127
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:15,519
Yeah mm hmmmm, I'll make sure not to do that.

1128
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:21,079
Believe everything as it is, be respectful. Yes, yes, yeah,

1129
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,840
that's gonna be so fun. What are you doing? Oh,

1130
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,679
she's not doing anything. Nothing. I bought the Possession of

1131
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:32,719
Albadas for myself. That's my birthday present. And then I'm

1132
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,000
hoping to well, yeah, it doesn't start till seven, so

1133
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:38,360
I'm hoping to go see her at the Central Library

1134
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,280
because they're doing a talk and a book signing. So

1135
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,079
I feel like that's my gift to myself. Yeah. Yeah,

1136
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:45,920
I'm not doing anything.

1137
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:49,159
Speaker 2: Is it like that? Because I said I'm not doing anything,

1138
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,920
but I was at the pool every day and.

1139
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:57,599
Speaker 1: Like, oh indulging. Yeah, well yeah, because I normally try

1140
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,480
not to eat, like I don't believe like you know,

1141
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:03,480
diet culture, but I do most of the time do

1142
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:06,800
keto because I feel better personally when I don't eat

1143
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,360
a bunch of carbs. I don't feel bloated right, and

1144
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:11,239
I don't I don't want to feel glittered and tired

1145
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:13,440
all the time. So most of the time I am

1146
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,679
doing keto. But this whole like week and a half

1147
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,480
or probably since we moved, I'm like I've been trying

1148
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,599
new food places. So I feel like I have been

1149
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:24,119
indulging a little bit. Also, like every literally every weekend

1150
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:26,000
that we could, I was out in like the water

1151
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:28,840
with the children. So those are like little things. But yeah,

1152
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,280
I'm not like doing anything huge because like again, we

1153
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,199
just moved and money. Who has that? Yeah, it's a

1154
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,440
part she's rich. I feel that heavy.

1155
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: I feel our dog was sick and it was like

1156
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:45,280
seven thousand dollars to keep her alive, so much.

1157
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,639
Speaker 1: Just went through that with my low. Well it wasn't

1158
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:49,519
that much though, no, no, but it was a lot.

1159
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:53,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much. Like I was like, I get it,

1160
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:58,639
Like how do people own that? Like this is expensive?

1161
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to sound like the so I told my

1162
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:03,119
I told my husband. I was like, okay, what is

1163
01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:03,639
our limit?

1164
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,119
Speaker 2: Like, oh I did too, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: You like there's a limit? Yeah? Same, yeah, And I

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was like, what do you have to draw the line somewhere?

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Like what do they tell us that's ten thousand? He's like,

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I'll spend ten thousand and I'm like.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was exactly the same conversation

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we had because like we keep our finances separate too,

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and I was like, who's because then if I'm paying,

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I need to know. I need to say my limit.

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And he was like, no, there is no limit. I

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was like, okay, you got it, great, great, Yeah, yeah

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it's too much.

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Speaker 1: No, it's expensive though, especially when like random stuff like yeah,

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pomps up, Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was in the er for three days. Every

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day was like three thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Damn. I would have called it. Yeah, it either would

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have been my limit or my what is that show?

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Like my tenth reason or my final reason? Oh thirteen

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three thirteen three the wrong number.

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Speaker 2: So the thirteen is ominous, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: That would have been yeah, tenth reason.

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Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't afforded, so yeah, no no yeah

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in this economy, no, no, who.

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Speaker 1: Can Yeah no in what twenty twenty five? No, no,

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no no. I do feel like we should rerap this

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up because again I've been checking a bunch of water and.

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Speaker 2: I have to be go, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: This is so un thank you so much. This is

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like a dream come true. It was a dream come true.

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Like I literally said it before we were recording that

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I could die, like right now.

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Speaker 2: If y'all are ever in Nashville, you should hit me up,

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I live here.

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Speaker 1: Should we just go?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can see in David's room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Maybe we'll see our first ghost.

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I'm not conwood.

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Speaker 2: We can summon himans together. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, this was Yeah, this was so much fun. I'm

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so glad that you didn't cancel on us.

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Speaker 2: I thought about it.

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Speaker 1: She said, I saw her stories and she was like,

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I'm so nervous, and I was like, I didn't see it.

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And then she was like, I almost canceled on you guys,

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and I was like.

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Speaker 2: I did, and I was like, no, that would be terrible.

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Speaker 1: I would not leave you alone until you agreed to

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talk to us.

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Speaker 2: But it is. I'm glad I did it. But it's

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one of those things where it's like the anxieties up

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here until it's over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Who hasn't been there? Yeah yeah some of us. Yeah,

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it's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, this was so fun. Again.

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I have to peace, so thank you so much, thank you.

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But yeah, everyone else, I don't know. I say spooky

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and watch out for David. Bye bye. As Book Tells

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Shout out Don. If you aren't joining the podcast considerably

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You can also get some merch. You can find sure

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s Essay, spooky and old English letters. There's a beanie.

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I love the beanie. There's also a hat. There's a

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lot of options, crap tops, sweaters, it's almost swetter weather.

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We're nearing a spookie season, so yeah, get your hoodies.

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