Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is another
episode of as Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things
as Spoogy true crime in dat in America. But today
today's a special episode. Today's the most special episode of
a mom. Yes, because we had the most amazing guests ever.
We were sonorous before recording. But let's let's say who
the guest is before we go on about how we
were growing up and crying. That's wedding like a my
Dame and a song. Yes, Mom, spaghetti. Yeah, our guest
today Rodriguez. Yes, the author of two books that we
adore so much, for brown Girls with sharp edges and
tender love and and Primas unknowing and loving the woman
who raised us. And let me just say, these books
I've never felt so seen. They must read, Yes, truly, truly, Yeah,
for anyone. But not only is she the author of
these bugs, but she has been a long time important
Latina voice in my life. And then mine answer you
told me after you sent me countless posts from Latina
Rebels on Instagram. Yeah, I mean, I can't even remember
how I came across Latina Rebels Apisca, but I have
been following Pisca since I was a baby in my twenties,
a younger baby, because you're still a baby course of course. Yeah.
And I mean I could go on and on about
how much I have learned, how amazing she is, on
and on. We could. We could write a book about
how much we left Prisca. I even she had a
podcast for a bit and I listened to that. I
didn't even know that, Oh that's a fan, that's a
deep cut, that's a deep I was like tea or
something like. I forgot what it was called, but in it, okay,
I had no idea. Wow, but yeah, she came on.
We have to say. So I was listening to and
Prettymas and Carmen had already read it before me, but
there was a section of Pretty Mass talking about the
spookya who's his ghosts? And then I was like, well,
Prisca obviously has ghost stories then, and so I was
listening to it, and I was like, because we followed
each other already, I just messaged her and I was
dying inside because look, I know, I know Carmen and
I are both like Leo's but we don't we promote ourselves,
so we don't We're introvert leos if you will are Yeah,
And isn't like you have to know us for us
to really come out of our shell. Yeah, that's what
I was just gonna say, Like, we have to already
know each other like comfortably for us to appear like extroverts.
You're not. We're most definitely not. No, if we're standing
in line somewhere, I'm not going to make a conversation.
Oh no, No, I don't think I've ever started a coment.
People only start conversations with me. Yeah, we very much
don't fit into that stereotype. But so I was dying
a Messagingskay. I was like, I'm listening to this right now,
and I think you have ghost stories? Can you come
on the podcast and talk about ghost stories? And then
she was like, oh my god, I'm dying. I'm so nervous. Yes,
And I was like, no, pe Scott, we're dying, and
it just we're just like her. Yes, yes, and now
we're planning a trip to go to Nashville to go
goat hunting. Yes, yes, but let me do a professional
bio in case people don't know right right who Priscuy is.
For some reason, for some goddamn reason. If you don't know,
then you better get acquainted, Okay. Soguez was born in Manawanikarawa,
but she calls Nashville, Tennessee home, which is why I
said we're going to go there. She's a feminist, a theologian, storyteller,
and an advocate. She got her Masters of Divinity from
Vanderbilt University's Divinity School in the spring of twenty fifteen.
She's a respective storyteller who has traveled across the USA
telling stories to countless college and university students. She merges
storytelling with pedic like I'm not aild degree. Thank you,
pedagog Yes, thank you, I did read that book pedagogy.
Oh what's called? I know what we we're talking about now,
to help folks understand the larger forces at play aka
systemic oppression as a first generation student and immigrant, and
her passion is in naming the experiences of first generation
students samgane systems not built for them. And literally, if
you read like any of her books, it's that's what
That's what I'm saying. I never felt so seen truly, truly.
She's the oldest immigrant daughter and again not an eldest
daughter in God oldest daughter. You and me and Christine
are collectively the eldest daughters. That's twins together. And yeah, yeah,
although I will say like spiritually I am the eldest daughter,
I feel like in some way actually I think it
splits between us and right, Yeah, sometimes I am and
sometimes you are. We have different eldest daughter responsibilities within
our family dynamic. Wow, this is crazy because they're twins.
It's because we also have the one brains. Also that
we do have one brain zone. Yeah, and this last
part here, she is unapologetic, angry, and uncompromising about protecting
and upholding the stories of LATINX communities. Oh my god. Yeah, yes,
and that how was our guest today? And let's, I
guess get into the episode unless you have anything else
to say, no other than it was the best thing ever.
It was. It was the best thing ever. Okay, let's yeah,
let's get into it. Hi, this is Christina. That wasn't me,
That was a kermis. But I'm also here, and we're
here with Prisca. We're so excited. You already heard our intro.
We are fangirling and sweating a little bit on all accounts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is like one of my favorite podcasts.
I've been reading and looking forward to it at the
same time.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what we've been feeling. Wow wow yeah, yeah, yeah,
be the same. And yeah, we have a listener story
like always, If anyone wants to send us your stories,
please do because we're running out. You can email Spooky
at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any
of our socials. You can call it a Spooky hotline.
There's so many ways to get us your stories. So also,
I hope I haven't read this one. I Usually the
way I can tell if I read it already is
because there's like a thing that I forwarded it to
Carmen and this one didn't have that. So people will
let us know if I read it already. But I
don't recognize it. So, so have you read one before
or like twice? I've done it like three times. Probably
I never noticed. Yeah, the listeners noticed, though, some of them.
They're like, hey, you read this already, And I'm like, oops,
my bad. Do I need a better system? Yes, well
I get one, No, all right, so yeah again, let
me know if it's a repeat. All right. The first
time I saw the hat Man, I was about eight
years old. We lived in a haunted house in the
country in a small town in Idaho. Each of my
family members has a story, including the non believers, but
this is the main one that affected me and some
of my nieces. I used to sleep in the living
room because I was the youngest of ten and we
only had three bedrooms. My brother even had to sleep
in a trailer out back because there was no room me.
Mammy used to keep night lights on so no one
would trip going to the bathroom, but they used to
create shadows on the walls. One of the shadows was
the hat Man. He was tall and thin and had
a fedora hat with a long cloak with the collar
turned up, not a fedora and the collar up. Okay
that I had not heard a description of the hat
man with this. This is the hat man from the
two thousands, I think so. Yeah, he graduated high school
in twenty ten. Wait were people still doing that the
pop collar? Yeah? I think so. I don't remember. I
think it was a little bit before to whatever going.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was my It was like two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: My era. Okay, that's when this hat man was in school,
all right. He was more of a shadow. I could
see through him, and he would stretch himself to an
impossible height and had really long fingers and sharp teeth.
I remember in the first years, I wouldn't get sleep paralysis,
and I could move. I would usually cover my head
with my blanket and say the me that prayer. This
is in parentheses. I'm no longer religious, but I still
say this. I'm scared same. Eventually I would fall asleep
and wake up safe. One day I saw him in
the daytime. It was April and I was eleven, so
this would have been in two thousand and one. I
saw the hat man off and on, but this was
the first time I would see him in the light.
Since we lived in the country, the bus had to
pick us up, and it was always too early, like
six forty five am. By now, all my siblings had
moved out and I was the only one left. I
would usually go out to wait for the bus ten
minutes or ten minutes early, because if I missed it,
no one would be home to take me. I should
also mention we had no close neighbors. The nearest ones
were half a mile away, and we were surrounded by
fields and a patch of sagebrush the desert. I was
gonna say, dessert desert across the street. Welcome to Idaho. Lol.
It sounds terrible, but there was a river nearby. Often
in the early mornings there would be a thick, heavy
fog that would settle over the area, and that day
the fog was thick. I remember looking to my right
to try and see if I could see the bus's
fog lights blinking in the distance. Instead, I saw him,
the tall hat man, looking extremely tall and thin that day.
Even though he was at the stop sign that was
about a block away, I could tell he was smiling,
and he was starting to run towards me. Oh my god,
I panicked. But then I saw the lights of the
bus like a beacon in the fog. I started to
pray the bus would get here before him, and watched
with hopeful eyes as the bus passed through him. But
he was not far behind. I had to cross the
street to get on the bus, and normally the bus
driver puts on the stop sign and motions for me
to pass, but I was now waiting that day. By
the time the bus stopped, I was already across the
street trying to open the damn bus doors myself. The
hat man was so close I could see his coat
was tattered and his mouth was wide open, showing his
sharp white teeth. I jumped in the bus and yelled
at the driver to close the door. She was shocked
and asked if I was okay. I turned around and
the hat man was gone. Embarrassed, I said I was
just cold, sorry, and I sat in my seat. That
was the one and only time I saw him in
the daylight. Incidentally, I recently found out my nieces also
saw him when they stayed over at my parents' house,
but they never told me until we had all grown up.
As a teen, I started to have sleep prolysses, and
he would often make an appearance. Usually he'd be at
the foot of my bed or in my doorway watching me.
This usually happened if I was stressed or anxious over something,
which was all the time. Then in my early twenties,
I started to get new sleep prelessis demons appearing. The
next one I can only describe as being smooth and gray,
almost alien like. Instead of eyes and a mouth, it
had empty sockets that seemed to go on forever. This
one was cruel, as it would have mimicked the voice
of my husband would hold me while I was on
my side, like we were spooning. The third one was
almost funny, like it was a fuzzy puffball and it
made grumlin noises at the foot of my bed. By
the time I was twenty nine, I've had enough. I
asked my mom to do a Lympia on me, as
I hadn't been sleeping for three weeks, and each time
I did, I saw one of those pincha lemonios. She did,
and after that I could finally sleep. I'm now thirty
two and I no longer see any sleep demons. I
so get sleep prolyssis, but it's mostly me saying no
as I started to come out of it. Hopefully I
never see them again, Yes, hopefully, because wow, that's that's terrifying.
I can't wait. They held out on Olympia for twenty
nine years, right, yeah, that would have been me on
day one. What is that thing?
Speaker 2: I feel like I've heard of the hat man. There's
like a lore about it. What are they? They're like
certain type of things that people A lot of people
see them?
Speaker 1: And my wrong?
Speaker 2: Or am I just two? In the spooky podcast.
Speaker 1: Real No No, yeah, it's a very very common thing
that people see. There's also there was a TikTok challenge
where people were like chugging benadryl to see if they
would And I don't I don't recommend this at all,
Like I don't know, I didn't know about that. Yeah,
they were chugging benadru and then at some point this
would make you see the hat Man. But some people
don't need benadrul to see them. Some people just see
them all over the world. Yeah, there's even a website
like hat Man stories dot com or something like that.
That's not the name but of it. Okay, okay, that's fine. Yeah,
it's like he's a shadow, a specific type of shadow people.
But people see shadow people all the time, and some
people think they're like demonic other people think they're angels.
Other people think they're like omens that come to warn you.
And I think, like most commonly people see them when
they're stressed. So I don't want to I ever see one,
So k one would Yeah, neither, because it's right next
to me and I'm in a very tiny space. What
I want to know is if the different oh wait
that not all the shadow people wore hats. I was
gonna say, there's a different hat men in different countries
they wear like their regional hat where, you know what
I mean, Like in Mexico, did somebody at all?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And then like or even Texas. Yeah, you know, I
don't know, like a Fedora in the two thousands, you
know what I mean? I honestly only ever heard of
them more in like a Fedora type hat. Oh what
did I think? It was like a long hat, like yeah,
like Abe Lincoln. I was just going to say, yeah,
that's what I know. I think it's like a shorter hat. Yeah,
like a shorter than a top hat. So yeah, I
guess fedora is really the best description. Okay, well that
was the listener story. And now pretty Scott Carmen and
I read yes and pretty Mass and I don't remember
if it was a it was a not a pretty Mas,
right the paranormal?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, who sees phantasmas?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And while we are not her because we
don't see fantasmas, I think we're very like closed off.
We were like our mom, is this this dia? For sure?
Just too many eghost stories. They're all terrifying. And that
chapter I was like oh, well, police Gut probably has
ghost stories. So where do we even start? First? I
remember radio episode where you said your apartment was haunted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've lived in two places that were haunted. One
was my parents and then now where I'm living in
this place.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm pretty sure I spooked him. But my parents.
One was a woman and it was in my brother's room.
Speaker 2: She just stayed there, so I never saw her, but
everybody knew about her. I don't know if that makes sense.
Like my brother was like I woke up on sleep
paralysis and I saw this woman standing and my sister
had a dream and she saw her and I just
felt her. It was like that like if his room
if the house it was night and his room was
open and dark. I hated walking through that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And we shared a bathroom. My sister and I had
this one room together. He had his own bedroom and
we shared a bathroom. And you know, like the door
connects you can open like a little fake it's a
real door, but it slides in. It's like a pocket
door that would go to his room. And if he
left it open, I'd be still pissed, like I'd like,
you know, like yourself right, Like I'd like reach in
and close it before I go to go into the bathroom,
because like she was terrifying.
Speaker 1: I hated being home alone. My mom.
Speaker 2: She always says, we, uh, we didn't let her learn
English because she started taking classes in the community college
and we called her crying, me and my sister because
she left us alone and we were like, she's here,
She's gonna come and get us. Yeah, so she blames
us for not learning English, right, right, English?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we all the kids felt her. My mom
she if if she got too carried away made us
more scared. My dad would get mad at her because
then they couldn't do shit without us, So she had
to like pretend that it wasn't real, even though we
would catch moments where she'd be like, oh, that scared me.
I think I saw something or whatever. She would like
mention it, but then my dad would give her like
shut the fuck up by.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we grew up with that. And then this
house has a man. Yeah, and which one's worse.
Speaker 1: I don't know if.
Speaker 2: I'm just in a better space as a kid. You're
so vulnerable, you can't believe I couldn't drive. I couldn't,
you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 1: I was stuck in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And my parents we were indoor kids, and
my parents weren't like, oh, go play outside. No, Like
I didn't go outside ever, so like if it was
scary me, I wasn't gonna go outside. I was just
like gonna go to my room that was right next
to it.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I have more agency or more power, yes, and.
Speaker 2: That feels good. He also isn't stuck to the house.
He's like, uh, in the neighborhood, like.
Speaker 1: The corner comes and goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I only got confirmation of him thought. I mean,
I think my only pick me like tendencies come in
like the ways that I try to disprove that ghosts
aren't real sometimes. But that's like my pick me tendencies
that sometimes I'd be like.
Speaker 1: Are you sure?
Speaker 2: And I hate it, but I like do that to myself,
and I had.
Speaker 1: Who got fighting yourself?
Speaker 2: You're like you see something from the side and you're like, oh,
it must have been the hair or whatever, but like
you just like dismiss it. And I kept doing that.
And then so my husband was traveling for work and
he would leave Sunday night and come back Thursday night
and spend the weekend like Friday Saturday, and then leave Sunday.
So I was home alone Sunday night, so fucking Thursday
that was I was just sleeping alone. And so I
would put I'm a very scared person. Surprisingly, I don't
think people know that. Like I am too, like I'm
scared of shit, like I'm like it's dark. I put
a stadium all around the house like when I'm home alone,
like it is every corner is lit. So when he
wasn't home, I would put the alarm out away. The
dogs would be in the bedroom with being I would
close the door. We don't do that one more together.
It's always at stay because the dog came roam and
the doors are open. But I had put it away
and I was with the dogs, and I would get
really high to go to sleep, because like you know,
marijuana helps you go to sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I would also put like pots and pants on
the handle of the doors, which is like my grandma's
alarm system too. So I was like if the alarm
doesn't trip it, the pop foul following will trip.
Speaker 1: It or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I was in my bed. I was really high
and it was the middle of the night, and I
just like got up and we had a dog, a boy.
We had a boy dog and a girl dog. The
girl dog's a pitbull. She's over here sleeping, but the
boy's gone. But he was a like a lab boxer
mix and he was like a ninety five pound big
dog and he's really sweet. Anyways, I like woke up
and Randy was sitting looking up and there was a
man petting him, and he like, no, it was like glowing,
like it was like the room was lit up. And
he he didn't look like a person, Like he didn't
look like he was of this dimension or this era.
And I was just like and I just like laid back.
I didn't see Yeah, and I covered my wages because
I was like, if Brandy's not scared of him, he
can't be a bad man.
Speaker 1: That's what I was telling myself. I do that. I
sounded like he had like an indelic glow to him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't feel scared, which is also
a thing, Like I felt scared of the woman in
my parents' house. I didn't feel scared of this man.
And so I just like fell back asleep. Apparitions are
really rare.
Speaker 1: I found out sick. They are like a number of
people that see like a full blown apparition. Yeah, it's yeah,
not a lot. Yeah. He had a hat on.
Speaker 2: He was white, and he looked like his clothes was flowy,
like the undergarments of like back in the day.
Speaker 1: So he had like his.
Speaker 2: Flowy clothes and like his what it would be like
the underwear, but they were like capris.
Speaker 1: Looking anyway, long pants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mostly have felt him upstairs in our
guest room, so this was the first time that I
had to see them downstairs and it's our room. And
I like told my partner about it when he got back,
and he was like, ha ha ha ha. You know
marijuana makes you to see things. I was like sure,
I said, no one ever, but.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this isn't LSD.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And then I made friends with there was
We had a neighbor across the street.
Speaker 1: She was witchy.
Speaker 2: She's like reiki and like like you know, crystals and whatever.
So she's like, let's go to the crystal shop and
pick out some crystals. See what our souls called to
us or whatever. And I was like sure, let's go.
I love with some WITCHI she.
Speaker 1: And I love like white. I'm down for each other.
I don't know. I don't know a lot about like
Mexican brouca yet, but I feel like it doesn't involve
that many crystals. I sound like a white woman's like,
this crystal is for your house to protect it. I'm like, yes,
I'll take it, I'll give it to Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all my crystals are because I herd I met her,
and I have a bunch of crystals. But we went
to get him, and I'm the drave back. We're turning
into like because we're on the dead end. As returning in,
she was like, so have you met David? And I
was like, what are you talking? What are you talking about? Yeah,
because like I don't talk to anybody. The first their
neighbor I've talked to and she tells me all the
neighborhood gossips.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't know anybody.
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, the neighborhood ghost and I was
like I think.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, And I told her my story. She's like,
I'm surprised that you didn't get a bad vibe because
my kids cry a lot, and they don't like She's
seen him with her daughter and the daughter was crying, and.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't like kids.
Speaker 2: So she's like, I don't think he likes kids because
she's like, I don't get a bad vibe toward like
me basically, but I get bad vibes toward my kids
when he's around. So yeah, I was like, oh, so
he hops to house the house here, He's just he's
locked in the land. He's not locked in the houses. Cool, cool,
cool cool cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So honestly, if you were a ghost, that
would be like the best scenario I think, where you
can like go see different people instead of being stuck
in like a room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds worse. Yeah, And I think they're attracted
to energy, so I'm like, yeah, go to go to
the negative vibes will keep it positive. Here, we're like
we don't welcome around those kids, yeah right right, Yeah.
And I think I accidentally kicked him out because I
did a big Olympia, Like I was falling down the
stairs a lot for a while, and so I was like,
somebody put in Mardlaho and I just needed to do Olympia.
And since I did Olympia. I haven't seen them, so.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah he's been in the kids room shadows.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but my go those are
like my Maine two experiences that I've had.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, neither of us have ever seen anything. We
have like a fake ghost story where I scared everyone
because I was scared. Where we were, like at the
at this true crime festival paranormal podcast festival. We were
with I don't know if you listened to Susto, but
we were with Aiden from susta podcast, and then Lady
who has an insane amount of podcasts, and we were
eating pizza and then like the the door was already
half open, and but I didn't see it that it
was already half open. And then a closet kicked on. Yeah,
it was like a closet door. And then the door
like flew open because it was already open, and the
AC turned on. But I just saw a door open,
and I know, I was like, did that door just open?
You saw it? And then you just started screaming and
I didn't even get a chance to explain, like I
think it was AC, yeah, and then you scared everyone
by screaming. I started screaming, and then I climbed over
Carmen on the table and then she was like, and
you want to go go shunting, you dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to go go hunting, And like, I
have cra certain things, So yeah, I get it. It's
fun to get scared. I think it's really fun. It
is I the only one.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think it is fun,
but I think the moment I encountered like a real ghost,
I will you're just a littlelyitch. Yeah, over and dying.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have we have to see should we
all go go hunting together? Have a oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have to bring up pet though I
think pets are really aware of what's happening. Carmen, let's
bring my low Mallow's already there.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't think he would be that aware. He
doesn't even notice, like when we're when I'm walking him
and there's like cats or any other animal. He only
notices dogs that are smaller than him. I think it's
an ego thing. Surprise. That's so sweet.
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't know why. Wait, but I've seen or
like I have hotel stuff. Have you all like been
at hotels that you felt were haunted, or like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't, I don't experience haunting, just that fake
uh door, it's not even something you shouldn't tell just
stop saying it. Yes, but I can't. But yeah, other
than that, it's haunted. See, yeah I was haunted. Yes
you were you haunted? Using Okay, Yeah, but no, we don't.
We don't experience like anything. Like one of our house
is no, actually, almost every house I feel like they've
been haunted. Yeah, allegedly they've been haunted. And everyone has
ghost stories in these houses except that two of us. Wait, like,
I don't know. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm the least witchiest of my friends,
Like I legit. I'm always jealous of the things they
see and the things they feel going into places, And
right now I feel really witchy though, because I do,
I'll feel like there's a spirits here.
Speaker 1: No us nothing, which is crazy because our mom and
our brother literally very witchy. They could have a show.
They're like, they're yeah, they see everything, and us we're like, nope,
absolutely nothing like that. The house people are like, oh,
we heard footsteps up in our brother's room. Was haunted
and both of the houses we were at, Yeah, I
think they only it has to be really bad, where
like you feel like a temperature drop in the room.
But at that point, I feel like anybody would feel it.
If I'm feeling it, then the situation is not like
because yeah, we don't. We don't see or hear anything
like that. One house in Oakland, the first one we
lived in, our brother couldn't sleep in his room. He
kept saying there was like something there in that room.
Everyone was like, it feels creepy in here. People would
hear footsteps. It did feel colder in that room. I
will say that I didn't actually feel that. Yeah, our
cousin has a story of being like feeling like a
hand when she's shammering, but obviously like no one else
is in the shower and like scratches and we're like, wow,
I had no idea. And they talked about hearing like
whispers that's right from coming from that room. M Yeah,
I'm so surprised.
Speaker 2: I guess I wonder what happened, because like, sometimes it
just feels like intuition hauntings, Like right, when something just
feels weird, do you do you chalk it? To intuition
or are you just and are other people being like
this is a ghost? Like I wonder.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Am I intuitive? I don't think,
so I can say I don't. I don't think. Yeah,
how am How am I still alive? That's the question,
and that pertains to all aspects of live, including us. Yeah,
we like to say we share one brain cell, and
so that brain cell doesn't say that's why it's so
close off to ghost?
Speaker 2: What do you think makes you closed off to it?
I've always wondered it about me too, because like my
mom's witch here, I've got witchy friends, and I'm always like.
Speaker 1: Okay, have you heard it's like on the gift? Is
that a thing that like your family says at all?
It doesn't feel like a gift at all.
Speaker 2: But they're too Christians?
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe because they converted right, like they weren't always
maybe before when was it from Catholicism to Yes, the
usual Catholics are very witchy, very yeah, they are the
most Like I almost feel like we weren't even real
Catholics ever because we didn't seen it. But no, that
was like a thing like they would say, oh that
person has like that person has a gift, and I
feel like, well, we don't have the doon at all,
but we have like like someone was telling us that
we probably just like I don't want to see ghosts
at all, like just in like our own which is true,
which is true, and like we just closed ourselves off completely.
Like what's it called when you accidentally do something. There's
like a term for it. Subconsciously. Yeah, I got there.
Our one my brain cell was working, not yours, Carmen. Yeah,
like we just did that subconsciously, and that's why we
just like have never seen anything. But I could see
it from from seeing how scared our brother was from
everything he saw. I could see like subconsciously closing. That's
true because see, yeah, it was like screaming in the
middle of the night, running into our parents room. He
couldn't even be like he's gonna be so well, he
doesn't talk to us, he's gonna be so mad as
wen't talking about him. But he doesn't matter, he doesn't
want anywhere. No, But he was like really haunted, just
like our mom had that like haunting around the same
age as when you say yeah, like yeah, well his
he was little, but and then our dad said he
he would see ghosts too, so it's just us too. Yeah,
but like a typical savv man, he's like I would
punch the ghosts and we're like whatever please.
Speaker 2: But also like why does that tinkle my brain? Like
I've heard it before.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that goes hard just to scare me.
But I was like no, and I went and we
were like. He's like I reached you the fan and
I was like, I'm dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad saw ghost too. It was like normal
growing up. So I think I think it's weird that
I don't feel and see as much for sure, But yeah,
I grew up with that being like super common, super
talked about. It's almost weird to me. So my partner
is white, and I always like try to figure out
like is he just lying that he doesn't see anything?
And I'm always like.
Speaker 1: Oh, is he like super logical too, like trying to
explain it away, because that's my husband is half white
and half Filipino, and so he just like channels the
white side when it comes to ghosts because also very
start yes they are, yes, yes they are, and he's not,
and so he's like, uh, we'll explain something away and
and I'm like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. He shuts it down
all the time, but one day he admitted he did
feel something. And I was like, he was in the bathroom.
His office is upstairs, and he was in the bathroom.
He sat something at the corner of his eye, and
I was like, so you saw.
Speaker 1: The red.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. He has since pretended it never happened, but
oh yeah, I remember, yeah there were yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also feel like images. I don't have to see it,
I just know what they look like.
Speaker 1: Sometimes so interesting.
Speaker 2: I was a flash, like yeah, like exactly, like a flash,
like I was in the hotel room. I just get
a lot. I end up in a lot of hotels,
and I have had two ghosts encounters in hotel rooms,
but recently.
Speaker 1: Okay hotel.
Speaker 2: It's a Marriott, one of the Marriotts, and because I
only stay a Marriott, and it was old though, but
they had like done upgrades, but you could tell it
was old. Anyways, I was like trying to fall asleep
by struggle with falling asleep when I'm traveling, and it
was all dark, and I just saw like a flash
of a man skinny naked standing at the foot of
the bed. He had like no hair here, but a
lot of bushy hair here, and like just standing there naked,
like flaccid and.
Speaker 1: Looking at me. And I was like, another fool apple.
It wasn't visual.
Speaker 2: Though it was. It was just a flash and I
saw it in my head and I turned on the
light and I was like the fuck, but like there's
nothing there, so I turned it off and I kept
trying to go to sleep. So I get that, Like
I get like these like weird, this is weird.
Speaker 1: I don't like this. Wow, No, not us. There's just
like a ghost tours you can do in Portland. It's
under like a pizza place of the tunnels. Yeah, the tunnels.
I don't even remember the name of the pizza place,
but I mean if anyone googles like pizza place Hunted Portland,
it's going to be the only one, I think, yeah,
because it has those tunnels. And we did a tour
there with our mom and the whole time our mom
was like, no, I don't like it in this room,
and she felt like sick to her stomach, and then
she was like stop taking pictures, don't record me. We
could not record her. She did not allow us to
record her, and then in another room she was like,
it smells like fire here, and it didn't smell like fire,
but she smelled the fire. And then the person giving
the tour was like, oh, this is where the fire happened.
We after our mom said it, and I was like, oh,
she knows.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that she knows. Do you ever wonder
if you could activate it or try to? You all
don't want to know.
Speaker 1: Someone told us that they could teach us how to
open it, and I was like, no, thank you. She
did tell us that. Yeah, yeah, and she was like, yeah,
you guys can learn. It's like something anyone can learn.
And I was like not me, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, what would you do with one of your kids?
Speaker 1: Is like I saw a ghost. Let me tell you
what I have done. Yes, I gats slighted them. It
was not my youngest too, but my stepson. And again
my mom one day was like, yeah, there's a ghost,
little girl ghost in your room. And I was like, no,
don't tell me. She said it was a little boy.
Oh I thought she said it was. It doesn't matter,
it was a little kid ghost. I thought she said girl.
She was like yeah, your house is tunted and I
was like, please don't tell me more like yeah, that
was me like covering my ears. But before she said
that though my steps and was like I heard a
little girl laugh in my room and I was like,
are you asleep? Were you dream He was like no,
I was awake and I was like, no, you were
probably dreaming. And then he was like no, I heard it,
and I was like, shut the fuck up. No, there's
no way. And then he was like was it a ghost?
And I was like, uh no, ghosts aren't real, literally
the worst. And what maybe I should have like validated,
should be like you can just tell it to go away,
but no, I was scared. What's racing to throw up?
Was that before the podcast or after? It was? Before? Oh?
What did you do things differently? Now? No, I probably wouldn't,
like I would want to, but in the moment, you're like,
in the moment I would, I would start praying and
then they'd be like you've never done this, What are
you doing? What are you doing? Who's gone? Yeah, I
didn't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the play is in that, because
like I feel like you can fan the flames and
make them more scared and then you're going to face
the consequences of that. But then you also want to
like encourage I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 1: They have I hope not. If they do, they need
to keep it to themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the did you ever watch ghost Whisper.
Speaker 1: With I know? I it was randomly on in Spanish
sometimes like and I would watch the end of episode. Yeah,
but I never fully like watched the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was obsessed with it. So the lore
behind it is that her mom always told her she
was crazy when she would tell her mom that she
would hear like ghosts telling her stuff. And then it
turns out in the show, when she's like much older
and they don't have a really good relationship the mom,
she discovers that the mom has the same gift. The
mom just like pretends it isn't happening because she's scared
and like me, they had a huge rift and like
it wasn't a good relationship, but like, yeah, it was
like a thing that they had to repair or whatever.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, all right, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So you have a ghost whisper.
Speaker 1: Potentially it was the one time and then it did
he didn't like say anything. But maybe it's because I
was like, no, yeah, probably knows, who knows if we
continue to see anything. And then after that, but I
think it's because I already knew the story. I felt
so scared going into that room. Oh yeah. And then
when we switched him to the other room and put
the youngest in there, it was fine. So then I
was like, I don't know if not alone, Yeah, I don't,
I don't know, it was. It was strange. And then
one time when I was and again I was trying
to explain it away to myself because I don't I
don't want it to be real, but I was I
don't remember if it was when my oldest was like
a tiny newborn, I think it was him, not yeah,
it was him, so it was him, yeah, And you know,
I'm like half asleep. I don't even remember those like time,
like that time period until he was like three, I
basically like, I don't know what was happening. Yeah, he
regained your memory, Yes, I regained life really yeah, But
but those first like three months were just in I
don't even know how it was functioning. And so I
was like half a sleep walking from the living room
to my room in the middle of the night, like
it must have been honestly, like two three am, and
I heard like a very faint mama and I hate
didn't talk yet. No, first, he didn't talk. He's like
literally a month old at most, my stepson. He's not
gonna call me mama. I gotta be weird. So it
wasn't him. Also, it was like like a fine little
voice and nobody like sounds like that, and so I
was like nope, and I just went and I fell asleep,
and then I was like, yeah, no, that didn't happen.
That's basically how I lived. I don't know what that was,
except I was hallucinating because I was like so sleep deprived.
So that's how I explained it away to myself. But
then later, like a year or two after that, is
when my mom said like, oh, your house is haunted,
like there's like a little girl in that room. And
then I was like, oh my god, a little girl
that sounds like that would have been like the mama
that I heard.
Speaker 3: But then I was like, no, no, so you totally
have haunting stories.
Speaker 1: You just you do have a lot. Yeah, I don't know,
because I didn't I've never heard or seen anything like that. Yeah,
you know what, maybe I do. Okay, let me run
this story by you. Then the store, No, not the
store Tommy was with with us. That could have been her. Yeah,
that could have been I don't know, but no, this
is a separate one. So I was again asleep, and
then who were we? Oh we had been researching something
for all that remember what Oh the shape shifting like
thing from the name of the White Chio. That's what
we were researching. And I had finished, like everything, we
had finished recording, and that night I was asleep and
I heard like in my dream this like raspy man
voice say something like oh you want but in Spanish
like oh no sky so weed ha ha ha. And
I was like, like, I joke up. I was so
cold and sweaty my heart was seen. And then I
was like no, no, I don't want to hear you,
and like nobody everyone else was like sound asleep, like
my husband. My husband snort so loud, so he probably
didn't hear me, like just like screaming like no, I
don't want to hear you. Get out of here. And
then after that that was like literally the last time
I ever heard anything. But you know what, Oh my god,
now I'm rambling the mama, like hearing the mama. And
this was not that far apart. It was like maybe months.
Speaker 2: So I'm a big So this is this is my
explained stuff. Right. There's this academic who I use as
a source in my in my book, but she talks
gets about like uh so she's she studies ghosts, encounters,
and hauntings and what she like her thesis is that
oppression when you don't have a name for it, when
like she's just going wrong all the time because you're
like a woman of color who's an immigrant who you
know what I mean. So stuff's just always going wrong.
Speaker 1: And we don't have a name for it. They feel like.
Speaker 2: They feel like a haunting, they feel like something like
you start getting paranoid because you're like, is someone following me?
Is someone watching me? Did someone put this on me?
So anyways, that's one of her theories. And I will
say the most activity I've had with David was at
the beginning of my relationship, and this is my second marriage.
I had moved here after we were like dating for
like five months. I moved from Miami back to Nashville,
and moved into his house. So like I was like,
my soul is not okay, Like, am I safe? Is
this a safe situation? Like if anything happens, what's gonna
happen to me? Am I gonna be homeless? So I
have to move back to Miami? Like there was just
like a lot of uns certainty. And I think that
that makes us maybe open to more stuff than we
would normally be or something.
Speaker 1: I've always heard that. Yeah, like during stressful times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's just turmoil and sometimes it feels like
hauntings and it can manifest and self as huntings. I
don't know, or it's just straight up you're just more open.
Speaker 1: And so goes to like nope, I'm going to wait there,
not that one because.
Speaker 2: You're like fresh from like yeah that was you having
a little baby stressful imagine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you know what. That makes a lot of sense.
That's another reason people say kids are more like, uh,
susceptible to huntings or like whenever they say, oh, this
is a poultry geist, like that's like why so many
of it is Like teens especially like that period where
you go from like kid to teen is like so
and that's like that's the most turmoil. That's like the
worst guy.
Speaker 2: You feel like you're on your attack by your own
body and hormones and you're just like I cried, like
I think for seven years straight.
Speaker 1: It was awful. I also blocked that time period. I
don't remember anything.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have huge chunks gone. We try to
like be dr and my body's just like no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: There's yeah, there's there's so much I don't remember. So
that would yeah, that would explain. Oh my god, that
would expend so much. I'm mind blown right now.
Speaker 2: Our ghosts or ghosts always our ghosts I because I
want to be I want to see ghosts. I want
to believe that they're out there.
Speaker 1: Hear her, hear her?
Speaker 3: Are you.
Speaker 1: Like when my mom was hung as her story and
she's all like, because I'm talking about this, sounds like no,
you're not welcome here. No, And then she was like
that doesn't work and we were like, ma, it must
have worked for me.
Speaker 2: Don't say that. Yeah, it just sounds so cool. But
people have so many stories. I I'm always like, oh, yeah,
this one guy I saw petting my dog like you know.
And meanwhile people are like, my friend found out her
family history, like her grandfather was murdered and in front
of the grandmother he died on her lap, like he
was shot in the head, and so they never met him,
the grandkids. But she like went to Guatemala again and
like felt super connected to him spiritually, came back, made
an altar for him. Apparently he liked whiskey, so she
would like set a couple of whiskey and it would
it would be empty every morning, and I was just like,
I want.
Speaker 1: That shiite cone. That what I would welcome. Like I
feel like everybody but me has had like a story,
even a tiny one with after our grandfather passed away
where they're like, oh, I smelled his perfume and I'm like, oh,
I saw him in my dream and I'm like, I
haven't seen anything. Oh yeah, I've dreamt him a few times.
And they say, yeah, that's literally them visiting you. That's
how they can visit you in their dreams, uh, and
not me.
Speaker 2: So that's up, Like I would love that stuff. That
is like I want to be that connected like this
random white guy David. But if my grandma came and
talked to me because I'm so open, that that would
be legit.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, yeah, this kid welcome. Yeah. Yeah.
Her mom had that experience with her grandpa where he
would kind of come. It seemed like he would come
and warn her whenever something bad was going to happen,
and she would dream him like either crying or something
like like different things like that. She would he would
be sitting or like facing away from her, walking away
from her, trying to catch up, and if she couldn't
catch up to him, uh, something like bad would happen.
And that's literally every time she had that dream, or
she'd be like I saw him and I sat in
a bench and he didn't like say word to me.
He kept turning away from me, and I just have
a feeling something bad is going to happen because of
that dream. And then someone would die yeah yeah. Or
one time it was a woman got to a car accident.
Yeah yeah, I would want like that.
Speaker 2: My mom has like something bad's gonna happen stuff or
something is going to happen, and always something happens when
she says it, and it's happened like five times my
whole life that she'll say it, and I don't get
any feeling like I would love a little warning about anything.
Speaker 1: I would like that to be a little intuitive and
like a little bit like future telling me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me a heads up, like my anxiety would
really love it?
Speaker 1: Right? Or would it be worse?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't do terror for that reason.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean? I would never remember
what each card man, and I would like literally say
the wrong thing. That's why I can't be trusted. But yeah,
I don't know if people remember these things. Practice that
means death, then it doesn't. Yeah you're gonna die.
Speaker 2: Wow. That was me when I first was dealt the
death card. I was like, I'm dying, got it?
Speaker 1: Thanks? No, And it was great.
Speaker 2: That was great rebirth or something.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like a phoenix.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first and last time though doing taro. I don't
do well with knowing, so maybe.
Speaker 1: I've never done that or gone to like what are
those other ones that tell the future like pyecakes or yeah,
I couldn't like a watch and teller. No that's psychic.
Oh okay, just already said it. I don't just add anything.
Speaker 2: You're right, I want to do one, but there's so
many hacks. Yeah, right, but there are good ones. I
have a friend who's who's gatekeeping. Hers only pissed about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the link not gate keep everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and like she told me, Oh my gosh,
she's so accurate, and I'm like I've literally been like,
what's fair? Email, nothing, nothing leads you on rid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because there are there's so many hags like
I'm not gonna just walk somewhere. I need word of mouth,
I need verification, you.
Speaker 1: Need the details, you need that contact right there. Yeah.
Now our mom actually it's such like I don't know
what is it with our mom? But she was in Mexico.
It said, you're right, it's the gift. She went to
someone in like a psychic in Mexico. I thought it
was her aunt. Was it her aunt? I think? So
that's worse to me. I don't know why, which ant
or which he ant? Okay, so that's who told her,
like literally everything that was going to happen to like
the last like I don't know what to thinking almost
like to something I don't know when though to that
to a tea, like she's like, you're going to have
three kids, two of them are going to go to
the military, you're the person who you're the father of
your children. That's not the love of your life. Like
and my mom's like, what, oh, your your future is
not in Mexico, Like it's miles and miles away. And
she's like before she had any thought about leaving. Yeah, yeah,
and all of that, that's true.
Speaker 2: We need the contact, we need, we need to know.
Speaker 1: I think so if I'm remembering right, I remember see
the whole time. Though I thought it was a random
I mean I could it could be that her aunt
took her to her friend who was the psychic. God
might have been it. Yeah, she might not be alive.
We don't know. I was even too scared to know.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: Christians, I don't know if it's in the Catholic Church,
but we have prophets who are like Christian psychics. Do
you all have that? Because they're in the Bible.
Speaker 1: They're just I never heard of, y.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like in the Bible there's prophets would be
like you're you're gonna die if you don't do that,
if you don't do what God says or whatever. But
like they make predictions like that. They they're like modern ones.
And so I've interacted with them, and the way that
it works is like instead of a sermon, they'll just
be a prophet and he'll he'll say people's names out loud,
and then the people will get up because they've been summoned,
I'll and he'll tell them their future. Yeah. It was
very but also you kind of want to be picked,
Like it's kind of like exciting because it's like the
prophet got a message from God about you.
Speaker 1: Let's go, what is it? My God? I'd be like,
that's too personal. You don't have to tell me.
Speaker 2: You don't have to tell the whole congregation because say in.
Speaker 1: Front of everyone, oh yeah, oh God, imagine you're gonna die. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But it was like really intense stuff that you were like,
it was like a public reading.
Speaker 1: Wow. And was this prophet correct?
Speaker 2: I don't know because I don't remember them because I
just remember being like I.
Speaker 1: Didn't walk out.
Speaker 2: I was just waiting the whole time, like was he
gonna say about me?
Speaker 1: Nothing? Nothing? He said nothing?
Speaker 2: He said something, my brother, But I don't remember that either.
Speaker 1: I have to ask him. Would I was so self centered.
I was like, it wasn't about me, because that would
be us too. I would do the same. You know
what I would remember if it was something about you, Christina,
but not a brother. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's like if
it's me, it's like you. Yeah, that's why I would remember,
because it's still like related to me, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait are you? Are you a Leo Tour? Yes?
I love it. Yeah. Our birthday is likend Friday. It's Friday,
the first time in a few years that's been on
a Friday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all have had the whole week up until now.
Happy early birthday.
Speaker 1: Related birthday too. It was it was.
Speaker 2: Boring, my my first boring one though. I used to
be like, my whole personality was my birthday.
Speaker 1: But that's me. Yeah, I haven't ever since probably I
had the children, because then, like you know, child Karen,
all that leame things I can't do.
Speaker 2: So I still like, yeah, I'm still like sort of
like a dictator on my birthday. But it's like a
huge improvement from what I used to be, for sure.
Speaker 1: I actually I used to be a lot worse too.
I don't remember one time she was I don't know
when I told my friends and I was like, something
about my birthday. I don't know what. And they were
like and I was like what, Like, I don't remember
whatever it was. I was being mean to them and
they were like, you can't act like that just because
it's your birthday, and I was like, actually I can't.
Speaker 2: It's one day. And I used to like cry every
birthday because I was so disappointed.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Could have done better.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. One time it was like I went to
work so early, the earliest that I have everyone, and
everyone was still asleep and I'm like I shouldn't have
expected anything because it was so early, but because there's
no logic here, I was like on your birthday, and
I was like, nobody said happy birthday to me when
I woke up, even the necessarily everyone was asleep. Everyone
was asleep, like my husband was asleep. It was my
step cent at the time, not the two youngest. But
I'm like, you guys better have like a pinata for
me when I get home from work, and I was
like a too hour shift. I'm like, have a piata,
I have a cake, and they did, but I was
I was upset the whole day because you guys didn't
tell me happy birthday on them, like nobody played to
wake me up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm no contact with my parents and I'm still
upset they didn't call me this year. I told like
everyone like me, I'm like, and they didn't call me,
and they'll be like, did were you expecting?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But I was gonna ignore it. But they could have
caught damn.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the thought that counts, and the thought
was not there exactly the first timmer Mom because she
she used to call us once we all moved out.
She used to call us and play least Mayanitas, like
holding her phone on the speaker. The first time, we
just sent a YouTube link instead of doing that. I
was like, nah, oh yeah, what happened. Like She's like,
I don't have time today.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, right right, No? I feel that heavy no,
but like I feel it in my soul. When my
grandma used to do that when she died. I was like,
I expect you to do that now, Mom, I don't.
Speaker 1: One has to do it.
Speaker 2: I made it clear about my expectations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that. I love Leo's listen. We're the best,
like the best to each other and the worst maybe
to other people. I don't know. I don't know, and
it doesn't matter exactly.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably and that's fake news. I feel
like we're great with people we love, yes, and isn't
that's the whole.
Speaker 1: Point, right. Yeah. My supervisor sent me a TikTok and
I was like, you're the nicest mean person I know,
and I was like, yeah, yeah, I don't. When I
do care about you, it's you could see it. But
when I don't, Yeah, that sometimes I forget though, also
to like care people I love too.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's hot. It's hard because I really think
I'm like, I'm not being actively mean, so I'm being great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I'm like, am I am I selfish?
And I'm like, no, that's my biggest struggle.
Speaker 2: They're gonna like clip this whole thing like Leos.
Speaker 1: We like, actually, I want to clip it myself.
Speaker 2: Oh and my sister is a LEO too, So I
got to love that.
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 2: It's the best. It's the worst and the best because
because we're masters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah, sometimes my partner will be like why are
you all arguing? And we're like we're just talking, Like, yeah,
nobody understands how harsh we can be except each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The worst is when like the three of us,
like when our brother does talk to us, and the
three of us are in the same place and we're
just having a conversation, and then our mom will be like,
stop fighting, and we're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we're just talking. Yeah, my whole childhood was
stop fighting.
Speaker 1: I was like what. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hung out with my sister in law who's a
pisces and my actual sister, and she kept being like,
be nice to each other, and me and her were
so confused, my sister and her like my sister and yeah,
like don't project that's your ship. Yeah you don't understand. Yeah, yeah,
what are you all going to do for your birthdays?
Speaker 1: What's the plan? I'm going to Hawaiian and I went
on a reading retreat earlier with my other LEO friend
and my other friend. I don't even know what my
other friend is. Actually, it doesn't matter. This is yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, that's exciting. Is it your first time?
And Hawaii that's gonna be really fun. I heard them
don't bring back rocks?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah no, and I will put my butt on
any rock either. Laurenston Yeah yeah, yeah she did that.
Yeah mm hmmmm, I'll make sure not to do that.
Believe everything as it is, be respectful. Yes, yes, yeah,
that's gonna be so fun. What are you doing? Oh,
she's not doing anything. Nothing. I bought the Possession of
Albadas for myself. That's my birthday present. And then I'm
hoping to well, yeah, it doesn't start till seven, so
I'm hoping to go see her at the Central Library
because they're doing a talk and a book signing. So
I feel like that's my gift to myself. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 2: Is it like that? Because I said I'm not doing anything,
but I was at the pool every day and.
Speaker 1: Like, oh indulging. Yeah, well yeah, because I normally try
not to eat, like I don't believe like you know,
diet culture, but I do most of the time do
keto because I feel better personally when I don't eat
a bunch of carbs. I don't feel bloated right, and
I don't I don't want to feel glittered and tired
all the time. So most of the time I am
doing keto. But this whole like week and a half
or probably since we moved, I'm like I've been trying
new food places. So I feel like I have been
indulging a little bit. Also, like every literally every weekend
that we could, I was out in like the water
with the children. So those are like little things. But yeah,
I'm not like doing anything huge because like again, we
just moved and money. Who has that? Yeah, it's a
part she's rich. I feel that heavy.
Speaker 2: I feel our dog was sick and it was like
seven thousand dollars to keep her alive, so much.
Speaker 1: Just went through that with my low. Well it wasn't
that much though, no, no, but it was a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much. Like I was like, I get it,
Like how do people own that? Like this is expensive?
Speaker 1: I'm going to sound like the so I told my
I told my husband. I was like, okay, what is
our limit?
Speaker 2: Like, oh I did too, I didn't.
Speaker 1: You like there's a limit? Yeah? Same, yeah, And I
was like, what do you have to draw the line somewhere?
Like what do they tell us that's ten thousand? He's like,
I'll spend ten thousand and I'm like.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was exactly the same conversation
we had because like we keep our finances separate too,
and I was like, who's because then if I'm paying,
I need to know. I need to say my limit.
And he was like, no, there is no limit. I
was like, okay, you got it, great, great, Yeah, yeah
it's too much.
Speaker 1: No, it's expensive though, especially when like random stuff like yeah,
pomps up, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was in the er for three days. Every
day was like three thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Damn. I would have called it. Yeah, it either would
have been my limit or my what is that show?
Like my tenth reason or my final reason? Oh thirteen
three thirteen three the wrong number.
Speaker 2: So the thirteen is ominous, but yeah.
Speaker 1: That would have been yeah, tenth reason.
Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't afforded, so yeah, no no yeah
in this economy, no, no, who.
Speaker 1: Can Yeah no in what twenty twenty five? No, no,
no no. I do feel like we should rerap this
up because again I've been checking a bunch of water and.
Speaker 2: I have to be go, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: This is so un thank you so much. This is
like a dream come true. It was a dream come true.
Like I literally said it before we were recording that
I could die, like right now.
Speaker 2: If y'all are ever in Nashville, you should hit me up,
I live here.
Speaker 1: Should we just go?
Speaker 2: Yes, you can see in David's room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Maybe we'll see our first ghost.
I'm not conwood.
Speaker 2: We can summon himans together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, this was Yeah, this was so much fun. I'm
so glad that you didn't cancel on us.
Speaker 2: I thought about it.
Speaker 1: She said, I saw her stories and she was like,
I'm so nervous, and I was like, I didn't see it.
And then she was like, I almost canceled on you guys,
and I was like.
Speaker 2: I did, and I was like, no, that would be terrible.
Speaker 1: I would not leave you alone until you agreed to
talk to us.
Speaker 2: But it is. I'm glad I did it. But it's
one of those things where it's like the anxieties up
here until it's over.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Who hasn't been there? Yeah yeah some of us. Yeah,
it's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, this was so fun. Again.
I have to peace, so thank you so much, thank you.
But yeah, everyone else, I don't know. I say spooky
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