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<v Speaker 1>Ship, the Ship Day Talk to meet you, s.

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<v Speaker 2>S Stars, Stars, Snack.

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<v Speaker 3>S Shuter.

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<v Speaker 2>Spression, Specie Steps Special Ships, to be sad.

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<v Speaker 4>And beg the game, the.

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<v Speaker 5>Game, the game.

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<v Speaker 2>In the gay thing, the game, the game, the name

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<v Speaker 2>became the.

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<v Speaker 1>Game.

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<v Speaker 6>See some time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm six.

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<v Speaker 7>That's the day, the second.

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<v Speaker 8>Coming, All guys, welcome everybody to the Occult Rejects today.

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<v Speaker 6>We got a packed, packed house.

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<v Speaker 8>We got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

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<v Speaker 8>and uh we got one guest and seven occult rejects

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<v Speaker 8>coming at you tonight. Uh yeah, I'm not gonna let

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<v Speaker 8>everybody plug their own show. Just to keep it simple.

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<v Speaker 8>We got Lisa, the Occult reject Mad Scientists. We got

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<v Speaker 8>Gin the motherfucking Ninja. We got the Headless Giant himself.

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<v Speaker 8>We got Ethan Indigo, we got TJ, we got the

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<v Speaker 8>o g himself, Robbie Marx, we got everybody in the

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<v Speaker 8>house tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>We got.

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<v Speaker 8>Scorpion and Spider, Spider and Scorpion symbolism, and who better

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<v Speaker 8>else to bring in but the Tarot Man himself, Mario

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<v Speaker 8>from Symbolic Studies. Mario, thank you so much for jumping

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<v Speaker 8>on with us tonight and covering with this covering this

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<v Speaker 8>topic with us. That's what's up. Let all the people

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<v Speaker 8>who don't know who you are yet, all the new

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<v Speaker 8>listeners know where they can find your amazing work, please sir.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 9>So people can go to Symbolic Studies dot com and

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<v Speaker 9>there they can find my my YouTube and my Instagram, Twitter,

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<v Speaker 9>all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>I do a lot of short form videos.

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<v Speaker 9>I just released a new one today about the relationship

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<v Speaker 9>with Sagittarius in the Rainbow, which is pretty interesting. But

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<v Speaker 9>if people go to my YouTube, we'll find longer form

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<v Speaker 9>of content on my live tab and I have presentations

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<v Speaker 9>and things like that.

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<v Speaker 7>But they can find everything on my site.

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<v Speaker 8>Awesome, thank you very much. I forgot I think it

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<v Speaker 8>was probably the last episode we were on. Somehow we

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<v Speaker 8>ended up talking about scorpion and snake symbolism. A scorpion

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<v Speaker 8>inspired of symbolism.

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<v Speaker 6>My bad.

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<v Speaker 8>I've used them myself recently, just in artwork that I've done,

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<v Speaker 8>and I do think it's my opinion the things that

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<v Speaker 8>I used a lot in occultism. So I guess, like,

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<v Speaker 8>what got you even to even kind of like looking

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<v Speaker 8>into that stuff or picking that stuff up, Mario, If

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<v Speaker 8>you don't mind me asking or was it just something

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<v Speaker 8>that came along through.

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<v Speaker 9>Taro and just looking at art, right, I mean, Scorpio

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<v Speaker 9>is a sign that's really huge. You know, there's so

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<v Speaker 9>much like information connected to Scorpio, and so a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of people say that that's the deepest sign in astrology.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, there's three emanations, which kind of tells you

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<v Speaker 9>about its depth. Right, It's a scorpion, it's a serpent,

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<v Speaker 9>it's also an eagle phoenix, and so with Scorpio, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I've done a ton of work with that sign. That

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<v Speaker 9>was actually the first sign I ever made any content about.

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<v Speaker 9>So Halloween season twenty twenty is when I started putting

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<v Speaker 9>out content, and so I was covering the death card

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<v Speaker 9>and things like that. Scorpio is well known for, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>corresponding with like sex and death. So it's always been

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<v Speaker 9>an interesting sign. And then spider symbolism to me, actually

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<v Speaker 9>wasn't something that came online until maybe like a year

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<v Speaker 9>and a half ago or something like that. And it's

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<v Speaker 9>really interesting. I think the conversation we had that kind

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<v Speaker 9>of kickstarted having this stream tonight is the fact that

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<v Speaker 9>there are kind of some people out there suggesting that

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<v Speaker 9>if there's a creature or an animal that represents the

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<v Speaker 9>current age.

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<v Speaker 7>It might be eight legged.

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<v Speaker 9>So Thomas Sheridan, he's an interesting guy, he proposes he

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<v Speaker 9>made a couple of videos about the octopus being sort

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<v Speaker 9>of like the totem animal of the current age, and

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<v Speaker 9>he went to all of these different reasons why, and

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<v Speaker 9>he is interested in love, crafty and stuff, and so

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<v Speaker 9>the octopus.

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<v Speaker 7>Very much like tied to that, right.

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<v Speaker 9>But then the number eight in and of itself is interesting.

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<v Speaker 9>And then kind of in the background too, I've had

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<v Speaker 9>conversations with several friends about the nature of the spider

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<v Speaker 9>and spider symbolism kind of being a thing, and so

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<v Speaker 9>that was kind of a weave with a few of

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<v Speaker 9>my friends in person that we would talk about. And

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<v Speaker 9>then just before this stream, I had mentioned that one

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<v Speaker 9>of my friends has had some like astral sort of

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<v Speaker 9>dream like experiences with like a spider queen, and spider

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<v Speaker 9>symbolism relates heavily to the feminine for sure, So there's

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<v Speaker 9>so many examples of this same thing with scorpio. So

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<v Speaker 9>there's a lot of things that kind of overlap between

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<v Speaker 9>the two. So maybe that could be a good place

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<v Speaker 9>to start. Is sort of like what is relatable between

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<v Speaker 9>the two. So they're both the rachnids, the scorpion and

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<v Speaker 9>the there's the eight legged dynamic between the two. Like

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<v Speaker 9>I said, very very feminine. The spider is known for

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<v Speaker 9>being like a weaver and a spinner basically, and so

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<v Speaker 9>spinning symbolism. There's so much feminine stuff kind of going

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<v Speaker 9>on there in and of itself. I have some old

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<v Speaker 9>moon cards, some old tarot cards that correspond with the moon,

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<v Speaker 9>and you actually see spinners like women, like spinning thread

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<v Speaker 9>and stuff like that, like on that card. And so

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<v Speaker 9>even the moon has like all of this stuff related

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<v Speaker 9>to the spider, and so you're gonna see a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of lunar symbolism kind of baked into the spider. The

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<v Speaker 9>fact that the spider two draws things in right, it's

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<v Speaker 9>like the web itself. It's like a snare or a trap.

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<v Speaker 9>That's really feminine. You know, women are receptive, women are

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<v Speaker 9>so magnetic. You know, opportunities men everything comes to them.

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<v Speaker 9>They don't have to go anywhere. It's more of man's

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<v Speaker 9>nature to go out and travel and conquest and whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>that's even that I've been talking about that.

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<v Speaker 8>Sorry to interrupt you, but I think You've even brought

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<v Speaker 8>that up before in the past, kind of like the

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<v Speaker 8>whole idea with the king and the queen. The queen

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<v Speaker 8>stays home and the king goes out and fights the battles.

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<v Speaker 6>That's it.

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<v Speaker 9>All you really have to do is just look at

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<v Speaker 9>our reproductive organs and how they work. Right, So it's

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<v Speaker 9>the sperm of man that kind of leaves home and

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<v Speaker 9>goes on a journey and travels right, And then it's

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<v Speaker 9>the eggs of a woman that'll stay in the confines

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<v Speaker 9>of her body and to become inseminated to actually create

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<v Speaker 9>a baby. And so the feminine is way more passive

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<v Speaker 9>that way. The masculine is more projective. I even think

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<v Speaker 9>of the bow and arrow, so literally it's the arrow

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<v Speaker 9>that leaves, it's the phallus that leaves, but it's the

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<v Speaker 9>bow that stays with the.

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<v Speaker 7>Archer, right, and that bow is very, very feminine.

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<v Speaker 9>So there's a whole aspect of the spider being receptive

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<v Speaker 9>that way and kind of in airing you know, what

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<v Speaker 9>it feeds on. And then also too with the feminine thing,

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<v Speaker 9>there's a lot of like dark mother symbolism associated with

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<v Speaker 9>both the spider and the scorpion. So even the spider

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<v Speaker 9>dynamic with it eating its mate.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know how many like species of spiders that

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<v Speaker 9>actually like happens with, but that's definitely a thing. There's

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<v Speaker 9>actually a great movie. Has anyone here seen Under the Skin. No,

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<v Speaker 9>it's completely related to this. It's really fantastic. I'm not

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<v Speaker 9>going to give too much away, but it's about the

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<v Speaker 9>whole entire dynamic of luring men in and kind of

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<v Speaker 9>like taking advantage of them. It's like a sci fi

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<v Speaker 9>horror movie. Scarlett Johansson's actually in it, and it blew

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<v Speaker 9>me away. I saw in the theater once. But it

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<v Speaker 9>relates to some of the stuff that I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 9>talking about tonight. Probably the most interesting thing that I

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<v Speaker 9>wanted to bring up. And we have so many like

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<v Speaker 9>like intelligent panelists here, I want to give people time

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<v Speaker 9>to talk. I came across a book called Arakney Rising,

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<v Speaker 9>and I didn't read it from cover to cover, but

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<v Speaker 9>I got the gist of what this guy was trying

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<v Speaker 9>to propose. And it kind of weaves in like spider symbolism,

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<v Speaker 9>scorpio symbolism, and even the number thirteen. It's Friday the thirteenth, right,

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<v Speaker 9>and the number thirteen is like really really intriguing to me.

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<v Speaker 9>But this guy was trying to make the case that

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<v Speaker 9>there's a constellation kind of like a hidden constellation, and

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<v Speaker 9>there's a lot of lost constellations. There's even a book

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<v Speaker 9>I've been wanting to get for years, literally titled lost Constellations,

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<v Speaker 9>Constellations that were acknowledged way back in the day that

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<v Speaker 9>people don't acknowledge. Obviously, this is like always an evolving

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<v Speaker 9>sort of thing, but he was saying that there's a

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<v Speaker 9>constellation that is called Arakney and it's a spider, and

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<v Speaker 9>he was trying to make the case that this is

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<v Speaker 9>actually the true hidden thirteenth sign, right, the true hidden

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<v Speaker 9>thirteenth constellation. And I just thought it was interesting, and

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<v Speaker 9>I'm always willing to hear people out out and maybe

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<v Speaker 9>it becomes relevant later or whatever. But what I thought

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<v Speaker 9>was really intriguing was that he was placing it directly

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<v Speaker 9>opposite of Efucus, which is what most people say is

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<v Speaker 9>like the thirteenth sign, right, So most people when they

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<v Speaker 9>make this claim, I've heard people make the claim of

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<v Speaker 9>the Pleiades is the thirteenth constellation, Arakne being the thirteenth constellation,

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<v Speaker 9>Ofucus being the thirteenth constellation. So the fact that Arakney

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<v Speaker 9>is opposite O. Fucus I thought was really intriguing. Ofucus

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<v Speaker 9>is riding between Scorpio and Sagittarius, and even a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of people say that the arrow of Sagittarius is pointing

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<v Speaker 9>towards O. Fucus, or that the stinger of the Scorpion

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<v Speaker 9>is pointing towards Ofucus. And right in this area too,

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<v Speaker 9>is where a lot of people say is the galactic

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<v Speaker 9>center as well, and that that's actually what these constellations

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<v Speaker 9>are kind of pointing towards or whatever. What I've heard

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<v Speaker 9>through authors who are really interested in like the polar

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<v Speaker 9>tradition and primordial tradition, I've heard it be said that

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<v Speaker 9>Ofucus symbolically is the exit off of the zodiac. It's

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<v Speaker 9>almost like a bend in a river something along these lines,

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<v Speaker 9>and it actually takes you to the northern portion of

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<v Speaker 9>the sky, so it's almost like a bend towards the

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<v Speaker 9>inner portion of the ecliptic basically, and Ofucus is more

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<v Speaker 9>northern than all of the other signs along the ecliptic.

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<v Speaker 9>The path of the sun right and Ofucus also, people

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<v Speaker 9>say that it's ruled by mercury too, which is really interesting,

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<v Speaker 9>and so that makes a lot of sense because Ofucus

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<v Speaker 9>is like the serpent bearer, the serpent handler, and there's

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of serpentine symbolism with mercury and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 9>and the healing arts and stuff like that comes into play.

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<v Speaker 9>I would say with all three of these signs, Scorpio, Sagittarius,

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<v Speaker 9>and Ofucus. And so I've heard it be said that

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<v Speaker 9>Ofucus is the exit from the zodiac, and it being

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<v Speaker 9>the thirteenth sign, the number thirteen breaks to me the

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<v Speaker 9>way I put it in my words, right, it kind

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<v Speaker 9>of breaks a solar spell. And the number twelve is

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<v Speaker 9>heavily related to this solar spell, this solar dynamic, this

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<v Speaker 9>solar age that we kind of live in. Right now,

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<v Speaker 9>you've got the twelve signs of the zodiac, right, You've

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<v Speaker 9>got twelve numbers on a standard clock, right, and the

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<v Speaker 9>clockwise rotation of the hands that we see on all

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<v Speaker 9>go around the kabbacube seven times. You go counter clockwise,

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<v Speaker 9>as you're actually going towards the center, you're getting closer

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<v Speaker 9>to mother. Basically, the kabba cube is a symbol of

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<v Speaker 9>the mother pretty much, right. It even literally has a veil.

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<v Speaker 9>It's called the kisswah, So they create a new veil

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<v Speaker 9>every single year, and veil symbolism heavily ties into virgo symbolism.

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<v Speaker 9>This is when you know, the virgin wears the veil, right,

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<v Speaker 9>and then the veil is lifted on her wedding day,

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<v Speaker 7>But virginity used to mean something else way back in

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<v Speaker 9>It meant unwed pretty much, not physical virginity, So you

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<v Speaker 3>So when virginity mostly applied to women.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes perfect

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<v Speaker 9>And so the number thirteen basically breaks the harmony of

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<v Speaker 9>gritted circle, right, you have four quadrants, you have this cross, right,

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<v Speaker 9>and then in each quadrant you have three signs, giving

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<v Speaker 9>it breaks that harmony. And so it's actually the number

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<v Speaker 9>thirteen does break sort of this solar spell like I'm

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<v Speaker 9>the terror that corresponds with death, and so the death

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<v Speaker 9>what corresponds with scorpio as well. So again scorpio relates

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<v Speaker 9>with scorpio and the number thirteen, and even Sagittarius. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 9>what I've kind of heard over time is that this exit,

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<v Speaker 9>this this o fucus sort of gateway out of the

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<v Speaker 9>solar cycle of things is basically it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 9>polar sign, it's a northern sign. It's actually encouraging you

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<v Speaker 9>and the modern skyclock that is astrology. Modern astrology is

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<v Speaker 9>a newer construct basically, but in the Primordial Age a

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<v Speaker 9>long long time ago, the skyclock was ursa major and minor,

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<v Speaker 9>and so a fucus kind of encourages you to go

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<v Speaker 9>back to a polar sort of dynamical polar age and

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I act wonder, Mario, if you can imagine those

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<v Speaker 3>two snakes being like a branch and the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the zodiac being the fruit, and we're hanging off of

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<v Speaker 3>the northern pole, right, So it's like not only exit

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<v Speaker 3>but also entrance. So it's like we're sort of that

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, no, I can totally see that

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<v Speaker 9>for sure. So Scorpio creates like an axis with Taurus

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<v Speaker 9>as well, which is really interesting. And what I've basically heard,

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<v Speaker 9>because Taurus and Scorpio are opposite each other, is that

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<v Speaker 9>in this primordial age, the main exit to the other

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<v Speaker 9>side to the heavens, this stairway to heaven idea, existed

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<v Speaker 9>in the northern sky, and that the Pole Star was

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<v Speaker 9>where the exit from this cave actually is right.

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<v Speaker 7>And during this transition from a.

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<v Speaker 9>Polar age to a solar age, the axis shifted, so

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<v Speaker 9>kind of the gateway to the other side shifted. And

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<v Speaker 9>what I've heard is that the Pleiades and Taurus kind

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<v Speaker 9>this exit out or this exit in, and that this

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<v Speaker 9>Polestar along the lines of what's referred to as the

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<v Speaker 9>world axis or Axis Mondi. And then now basically a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of people acknowledged that the Pleiades and Taurus, or sorry,

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<v Speaker 9>the Pleiades, Taurus and Scorpio kind of operates as this

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<v Speaker 9>new axis because it's along the path of the Sun.

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<v Speaker 7>And when people became.

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<v Speaker 9>More solar, they wanted to find this new gateway that

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<v Speaker 9>basically has this harmony with the solar path pretty much.

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<v Speaker 7>And so on one side you have scorpio.

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<v Speaker 9>On the other side you have aracne potentially, so on

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<v Speaker 9>both sides you have this this scorpion and then you

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<v Speaker 9>have this spider. So that's kind of another interesting like

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<v Speaker 3>That brings up cancer. Like the height of summertime would

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<v Speaker 3>be like the thing in the middle. And if you

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<v Speaker 3>think about the three fates of the moide, you've got Clotho,

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<v Speaker 3>the spinner, You've got atroposts, which would obviously be the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the stinger, and then what's in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the middle part would probably be that crab

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<v Speaker 3>symbolism because it's sort of always moving. The crabs make

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<v Speaker 3>massive migrations. They're the measurers of distance, which.

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<v Speaker 4>In Egyptian terms was the scare beetle, the symbol of rebirth.

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<v Speaker 9>That's right, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's interesting you bring that

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<v Speaker 9>up too, because there's a relationship with scorpio, the scorpion

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<v Speaker 9>and a lot of other words that begin with We

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<v Speaker 9>made a whole entire video about this, so like skin

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<v Speaker 9>to skin something I guess skin came from skinning, which

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<v Speaker 9>came from the fact of skinning an animal, like with

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<v Speaker 9>a blade. Right, there's always this penetrative sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 9>So screw, scalpel, scar to scold somebody, right, even like skull.

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<v Speaker 9>There's a lot of words that begin with this sound

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<v Speaker 9>and actually relate to scorpio or the scorpion or have

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<v Speaker 9>some sort of correspondence like that. So scare a beetle,

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<v Speaker 9>I would say, is like another one, right, So they're

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<v Speaker 9>both water signs the cancer and then and then scorpio.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 9>So so that was one weave that I just wanted

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<v Speaker 9>to get off my chest, you know, with everything, the

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<v Speaker 9>world wide web, right, what we're on right now too,

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<v Speaker 9>And so is this a snare? Is this a trap

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<v Speaker 9>of some sorts? You know, reality itself has been likened

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<v Speaker 9>to a web or like a fabric that's woven and

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<v Speaker 9>things like that. So I think that's another interesting, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>correspondence with everything. The spider resting in the middle of

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<v Speaker 9>a web has been likened to like the center of

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<v Speaker 9>the world or the center of the universe, which I

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<v Speaker 9>think is really interesting, which exts in line yep with

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<v Speaker 9>the axis mundy as well.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, exactly, right.

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<v Speaker 9>The number eight too has been a thing that I

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<v Speaker 9>think is, you know, just really intriguing. Some people have

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<v Speaker 9>said that, you know, if the number seven has all

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<v Speaker 9>of this mystical stuff going on with it, there's alchemical

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<v Speaker 9>processes that make use of seven steps.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 9>It's said that there's seven colors to the rainbow, but

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<v Speaker 9>I'm learning that there's actually six colors. But the seventh

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<v Speaker 9>color is actually like invisible. It's kind of the etheric

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<v Speaker 9>transcendental color. Basically again ursa major minor. They each have

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<v Speaker 9>seven stars. You've got the seven traditional planets, seven days

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<v Speaker 9>of the week. Right, it goes on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 9>There's actually a number of myths that incorporate seven spiders

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<v Speaker 9>or seven scorpions. So I guess when Isis was looking

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<v Speaker 9>for Osirius's body parts, that she brought seven scorpions along

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<v Speaker 9>with her. And then in one of my books too,

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<v Speaker 9>there's an old spell that I came across, and you

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<v Speaker 9>say the scorpions name or the person you're trying to

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<v Speaker 9>basically like hex seven times and then it'll go out

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<v Speaker 9>and sting the person that you're actually trying to sting

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<v Speaker 9>and inflict damage on. So there's a number of things.

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<v Speaker 9>When I was reading through my books, I'm like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 9>there's the number seven again, seven spiders or seven scorpions

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<v Speaker 9>or something along those lines. Seven chakras, right, so the

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<v Speaker 9>number eight might be like the destination of going through

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<v Speaker 9>seven steps. Basically, it's almost kind of like the apex

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<v Speaker 9>or pinnacle or something along those lines, once you go

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<v Speaker 9>through those seven different tiers or gradients or processes or whatever.

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<v Speaker 9>So I think it was kind of intriguing.

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<v Speaker 4>The Book of Enoch, or the books of Enoch, I

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<v Speaker 4>should say, the Slavonic eno they specifically talk about their

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<v Speaker 4>seven days of creation and then there's an eighth day

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<v Speaker 4>of timelessness or rest. But the entire Enochian system is

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<v Speaker 4>based around sevens or seven seven seven, got it?

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<v Speaker 10>Got it?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that makes perfect sense exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Eight and thirteen would have a lot in common, then,

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't they, because they break the cycle right exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep, that's how I see it too, for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>The system of music that we use now too, right,

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<v Speaker 5>is got seven notes, but it's called a set of octaves,

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<v Speaker 5>and so that eighth in that not only is this symbolic,

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<v Speaker 5>but in that structure, the eighth is leading to the

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<v Speaker 5>next level. As you kind of alluded to, Maria.

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<v Speaker 9>Excellent. Yeah, man, I'm super into it. I've also heard

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<v Speaker 9>people refer to this as the eighth climb. I'm not

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<v Speaker 9>even sure what word means, uh c L I M.

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<v Speaker 9>But one of my books he refers to as the

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<v Speaker 9>eighth climb once you get to that point. And then

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<v Speaker 9>I think Rudolph Steiner has a thing about the eighth

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<v Speaker 9>sphere which sounds like it could be related to some

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<v Speaker 9>of this business as well.

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<v Speaker 10>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>I always think about the seven spheres as lacking the

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<v Speaker 5>eighth part, of course, which is us earth right having

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<v Speaker 5>having that structure to it too. And in Dallas kind

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<v Speaker 5>of reckoning, embodying the eight levels is understanding the eight

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<v Speaker 5>elements of the eaching and that really and this, this

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<v Speaker 5>whole process is has a divination path towards it about it,

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<v Speaker 5>but it also teaches us essentially to walk softly relative

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<v Speaker 5>to the world, and then the world is not as

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<v Speaker 5>impactful in regards to us and the spider and in

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<v Speaker 5>Taoism has a very respected life in that it creates

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<v Speaker 5>with its mind from its body, and uh, it really

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<v Speaker 5>illustrates the something that we can all seek to embody.

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<v Speaker 5>The Wu Way process right, it sets up its web,

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't work more than it needs to, and it

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<v Speaker 5>it is patiently receptive.

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<v Speaker 10>It's going back to what you're saying, without feminine energy.

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<v Speaker 10>So the whole.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the whole WU Way idea is having the most

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<v Speaker 5>result from the least tedious effort and useless effort.

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<v Speaker 7>Gotcha. Yeah, I love that too.

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<v Speaker 9>You had mentioned something before the stream about a Native

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<v Speaker 9>American myth or deity that's related to the spider Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>being a grandmother, right, yeah, yeah, the Hope.

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<v Speaker 5>And actually the reason why I can never pronounce Hopey

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<v Speaker 5>words is because of their ski and w's and they

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00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.119
<v Speaker 5>all have this word I cannot pronounce.

420
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.640
<v Speaker 10>It has a skit in it, I believe.

421
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:29.799
<v Speaker 3>But the.

422
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 5>Spider Grandmother, of course, embodies the feminine and combines and

423
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 5>then separates with the son God, Hope, you did to

424
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 5>create all life, to weave all life, and she spins

425
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:49.359
<v Speaker 5>out from from.

426
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 10>Her web.

427
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:56.480
<v Speaker 5>All the people and all the tribes, and in symbolic

428
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:01.920
<v Speaker 5>kind of relationships, she brings all humanity out of the

429
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 5>four caverns into the first world.

430
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.599
<v Speaker 10>And then there we are in the fourth world.

431
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:13.640
<v Speaker 5>Now according to the Hope and Uh, the the Spider

432
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:17.880
<v Speaker 5>Grandmother of course brings us in kind of this uh

433
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.839
<v Speaker 5>orphic even up and down manner that we've been touching

434
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 5>on recently. She brings us into the underworld and saves

435
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:32.279
<v Speaker 5>us from these cataclysms and then brings us back up,

436
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 5>and so the the Hope. Uh And in the Southwest

437
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.880
<v Speaker 5>and in many different Native American cultures they have similar

438
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:49.400
<v Speaker 5>spider woman divinities, but none so as specific or are articulated,

439
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 5>maybe as the as the Hope, which the Hope have

440
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:58.240
<v Speaker 5>a prophecy too about uh this that one day the

441
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:01.359
<v Speaker 5>spider web will cut for the Earth. And I believe

442
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 5>all their prophecies are when this happened, good things might occur.

443
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:10.960
<v Speaker 5>And if this happens, not too good things might occur.

444
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 5>So I think that's what is kind of gaimed them

445
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:20.039
<v Speaker 5>respect But the prophecy I was alluding to is about

446
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.920
<v Speaker 5>one day the Turtle Island in North America will be

447
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:26.839
<v Speaker 5>covered by a spider web.

448
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 10>And for many decades it was noted to be.

449
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 5>The telephone poles and the electric poles, but in recent times,

450
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 5>of course, it's.

451
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 10>Been related to the Worldwide Web. One the.

452
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.519
<v Speaker 5>Hindus, they believe that the spider and the spider web

453
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 5>is like the as as you mentioned to Mario, the

454
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 5>veil between Maya and Nirvana. Right, it's it's the very

455
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 5>dimension that we passed through, these these energies and and

456
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 5>all that reminded me of the very famous eight legged

457
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:18.720
<v Speaker 5>animal that's not real, the slip mirror of Odin, who's

458
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.720
<v Speaker 5>of course related to eight and all that, but his

459
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:28.519
<v Speaker 5>horse has eight legs in order to transverse these dimensions.

460
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:32.480
<v Speaker 10>It's it is said, so that I appreciate you let

461
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 10>me to share. That's all kind.

462
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 9>Of for sure, man, No, that's excellent. Yeah, yeah, A

463
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 9>couple of my books brought up some of those things

464
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:40.480
<v Speaker 9>that you just brought up to.

465
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:43.039
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

466
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:46.440
<v Speaker 9>I mean, the other thing I wanted to mention is

467
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 9>this spin dynamic. And if we're talking about kind of

468
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 9>like spin transversing or going through different like realities or

469
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 9>thresholds or whatever you want to say, you know, there's

470
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.720
<v Speaker 9>a huge parallel with this sort of opening or gateway

471
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 9>with the world axis what people refer to as that.

472
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 9>And so when you're talking about spinning everything, whatever spins

473
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 9>has to have an axel, it has to have a

474
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 9>folk rum, it has to have a point of pivot,

475
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 9>and so one of my books was saying that literally

476
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.599
<v Speaker 9>the word spider comes from an Old English word spythra,

477
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 9>which literally means spin. And then in German the word

478
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 9>for spider, I guess is like spin or spine or

479
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 9>something like that spi n e. So literally just going

480
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 9>back to this spinning sort of dynamics. So again, nothing

481
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.519
<v Speaker 9>can rotate, nothing can revolve without this sort of axis

482
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 9>in the middle. Which the more I learn about symbolism,

483
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 9>so many things go back to axial symbolism, you know,

484
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.079
<v Speaker 9>like a point of pivot, you know. And I would

485
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.759
<v Speaker 9>say mother is the hub of the wheel.

486
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 7>She just is.

487
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 9>Mom is the hub of the wheel with the family unit.

488
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 9>In many ways, she makes the world go round. Even

489
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:04.880
<v Speaker 9>in the World card and the tarot, you have a

490
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.039
<v Speaker 9>woman in the middle of this wreath around her right,

491
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 9>It's like it doesn't it wouldn't make sense to me

492
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 9>symbolically to have a man there, But it makes all

493
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 9>the sense in the world to have a woman there.

494
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 9>And oftentimes she has like a cloth wrapped around her.

495
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 9>So I see a lot of world axis symbolism and

496
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 9>axial symbolism, hub the hub of the wheel symbolism with

497
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.079
<v Speaker 9>woman like through and through big time and I'm coming

498
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:34.240
<v Speaker 9>across a lot more information about woman and her relationship

499
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 9>with the pillar, which the pillar essentially is like an

500
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:38.759
<v Speaker 9>axle as well pretty.

501
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:43.440
<v Speaker 3>Much right well, I think that clotho angle, the spinner angle,

502
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:47.240
<v Speaker 3>has to do with the repeating cycles of time, right

503
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 3>And that's sort of how we get tracked in that spiderweb.

504
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Is that continual repeating, that continual going back. But I

505
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 3>have pulled up here the spider Kachina from the Hopie

506
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.519
<v Speaker 3>and Hope mythology. Spider Kachina is a significant figure associated

507
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 3>with creation, fertility, and wisdom, often depicted as a kachina

508
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.440
<v Speaker 3>doll carved in wood figurine adorned with feathers, cloth, and

509
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 3>other emblement embellishments. According to the Hope legend, Spider Kachina

510
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 3>is a manifestation of Spider Grandmother, a powerful and benevolent

511
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 3>deity that played a crucial role in the creation of

512
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 3>the world. Spider Grandmother is said to have brought life

513
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 3>and order to the world. What's really interesting is that

514
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 3>the Hopie are very, very in tune with keeping the

515
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.400
<v Speaker 3>cycles of tradition, so they'll have like eight month long

516
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>rituals that people can come see at the very end,

517
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 3>and I have a special connection to the Hope. Back

518
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:48.960
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and one, me and my mom went

519
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 3>out to Arizona to actually see older ribe. The oldest

520
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.480
<v Speaker 3>city in the United States, over eight hundred years old,

521
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 3>continuously lived in right now basically a trailer park. They

522
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 3>moved all their trailers up.

523
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>On this.

524
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.599
<v Speaker 3>Butte and on top of this butte, this is where

525
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 3>the oldest city existed. So they have a bunch of

526
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 3>hogans outside of the buttes, but they have to maintain

527
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 3>their ritual presence there because that's how they maintain their

528
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 3>connection to their gods. So when me and my mom

529
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 3>went there, it was in January, and in January there's

530
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 3>not much tourism out there. But when we showed up,

531
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 3>they welcomed us in like family, and we actually got

532
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 3>to see a naming ceremony for one of the babies

533
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.800
<v Speaker 3>that was just born because we were there to get

534
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.880
<v Speaker 3>a raven Kachina and so, you know, they bring us

535
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 3>into their home, they feed us beaky bread and beans,

536
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.760
<v Speaker 3>and like, I've never met these people in my life,

537
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 3>and you know, they're treating me like family. So it

538
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 3>was a magnificent experience.

539
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 7>Nice. Nice, Yeah, I bet hey headless.

540
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 9>You're pretty knowledgeable with with Greek mythology, right, A little

541
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 9>bit is Arakney, do you do you know much about

542
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 9>that specific myth and and her contest with Athena not

543
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:14.679
<v Speaker 9>at all.

544
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Let me know what it is.

545
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do know a little bit about that, but

546
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.800
<v Speaker 4>you go ahead, go ahead, Maria.

547
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:21.639
<v Speaker 7>Okay, right on.

548
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.360
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So, I mean I don't know too too much,

549
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 9>but I just reread like several accounts of it, just

550
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 9>like really quick summaries of what the deal is, looking

551
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 9>into the spider thing, and so.

552
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 7>They had the right exactly right. Yeah.

553
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 9>So Arakney was a young woman and she was an

554
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 9>excellent spinner, and so she created tapestries that were beautiful,

555
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 9>and basically she challenged Athena to a spinning contest. And

556
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 9>one of the versions that I read was that they

557
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:01.599
<v Speaker 9>both created this tapestry and it was declared that they

558
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.960
<v Speaker 9>were equal and that it was essentially like a tie, and.

559
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:10.760
<v Speaker 4>So Athena could find no flaws in her weaving. Wow,

560
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 4>she got enraged, so but yeah, go ahead.

561
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

562
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:14.719
<v Speaker 11>And so.

563
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 9>Basically the fact that she didn't win and that it

564
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.719
<v Speaker 9>was a tie completely like was devastating to her. So

565
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 9>she actually hung herself which is really interesting given you know,

566
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 9>all of this stuff, and so I mean, given the

567
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 9>nature of the spider and what it does, and so

568
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 9>apparently she was basically preserved in the constellation Aracney, which

569
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 9>I don't have any books that actually acknowledged this constellation,

570
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.840
<v Speaker 9>by the way, I just looked, and for some reason

571
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 9>they're not there.

572
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:47.280
<v Speaker 1>And that.

573
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Out of our eighty eight constellations, only thirty five are Greek,

574
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 3>so the vast majority were later but the Greeks actually

575
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.920
<v Speaker 3>had like one hundred and thirty five constellation and so

576
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.800
<v Speaker 3>we don't really have access to a lot of that

577
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.800
<v Speaker 3>knowledge because we don't go back to the Greek astrological comparison.

578
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 3>But I think when it comes to a Rackney, it

579
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 3>really has a lot to do with the idea of fate.

580
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.239
<v Speaker 3>And I think it was Athena that challenged a Rackney

581
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.119
<v Speaker 3>because a Rackney boasted much better she was.

582
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:27.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that original tale comes from Ovid's metamorphosis.

583
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 9>Right, yeah, Yeah, So I think that's really interesting too.

584
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.960
<v Speaker 7>So let me see here real quick.

585
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 6>Jinn have something to say.

586
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 8>I saw him on Mute as Mike, I didn't I

587
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:42.760
<v Speaker 8>didn't know if he was trying to say something before that.

588
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 12>Oh yeah, sure, thanks man.

589
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Thanks No.

590
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 12>I want to say, Mario, in contric astrology like this,

591
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 12>what you're saying is opposite a fucus or a rockney

592
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 12>is actually considered an invisible constellation and it is considered

593
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.360
<v Speaker 12>part of the pleiades can that are part of the matrakas.

594
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 12>But it's empty. She is empty. So she is eight,

595
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 12>like she's eight limbed, And I just posted a picture.

596
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.000
<v Speaker 12>Nick just retweeted it on the rejects things so people

597
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 12>can go look on the feed, so people can look

598
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 12>at it. But she's really nine. She's not really eight

599
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 12>because she always has a concert. There's always the implication

600
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 12>of a concert in all contract images, whether they are

601
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.480
<v Speaker 12>depicted or not. Now, if I'll teach people just a

602
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 12>little trick to looking at iconography. If they hold a

603
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 12>trident and the trident has the prongs closed, that means

604
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 12>that usually that the consort is implied. If the prongs

605
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 12>are open, that means they are receptive to receiving the

606
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.960
<v Speaker 12>lightning strike or the consciousness of the concert. So you

607
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.440
<v Speaker 12>can see that there's always an implication. And it's interesting

608
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.599
<v Speaker 12>because in the Mahaviga system, Matongi, who is the goddess

609
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 12>that I'm referring to. She plays a sea tar, and

610
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 12>it's considered that she controls the rajas, thea or the

611
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 12>carnatic sort of compositions of the old of South India

612
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.199
<v Speaker 12>that were adopted into these kind of Vedic ritual grammars.

613
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 12>So she would sort of rearrange the grammars. And even

614
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 12>in her story, she's described as a chandali as an

615
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:25.119
<v Speaker 12>out cased as a tribal goddess, meaning that she is

616
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:29.119
<v Speaker 12>part of the pleats, but she's actually not. She's actually

617
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.519
<v Speaker 12>from outside of the civilization. She's outside of the container

618
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.519
<v Speaker 12>of who they are. So it's something that it exists

619
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.960
<v Speaker 12>in a liminal space. It's more of a reflection of

620
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:42.639
<v Speaker 12>what happens at the sun, and that that she gathers

621
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 12>all the ritual grammar, maybe you could say the ritual

622
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:48.159
<v Speaker 12>grammar of mercury, or maybe you could say the ritual

623
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 12>grammar of like a higher source, and she puts it

624
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 12>together and that is the song she plays, and then

625
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 12>that is what creates like the maya or the illusion

626
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:57.840
<v Speaker 12>around us.

627
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 3>So when it comes to the citar, it's like closing

628
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.840
<v Speaker 3>and opening. So that's that's what I feel when you're

629
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.679
<v Speaker 3>talking about that, it's like the waves of it itself.

630
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.639
<v Speaker 3>It goes from so far out to so far in

631
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:17.000
<v Speaker 3>within one single stroke of the citar that I really

632
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 3>feel that.

633
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:21.440
<v Speaker 9>Jin what you were saying about the console. I don't

634
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 9>know if this is related to it. But whenever I

635
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 9>think of any number, you know, if I'm thinking of

636
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.000
<v Speaker 9>the three, I think of a triangle. If I'm thinking

637
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.840
<v Speaker 9>of the four, I think of the square. Right, the

638
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 9>hidden console is always that center point right. So with

639
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 9>any number, every number has a relationship with that next

640
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.760
<v Speaker 9>additional step, that next number right. So the eight has

641
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.280
<v Speaker 9>a relationship with the nine, nine, with ten, you know,

642
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 9>et cetera, et cetera. Is that kind of related to

643
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:50.320
<v Speaker 9>what you're saying, by chance?

644
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.920
<v Speaker 12>Absolutely, And I think it even relates to your point

645
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.199
<v Speaker 12>about the four and the eight. Sorry, I doul a

646
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 12>little numerology the thirteen and the eight eight, but in

647
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:03.039
<v Speaker 12>the more western way. So because eight is hod it's

648
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:06.639
<v Speaker 12>the eighth sphere, and then thirteen has a secret meaning

649
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 12>where it's just said, but it's the three plus one.

650
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:15.519
<v Speaker 12>So fire, earth and water in synthesis produces the secret

651
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.400
<v Speaker 12>fourth thing, which is air. But this is also related

652
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 12>to vadra, lightning or perception, So there's an inter relationship.

653
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 12>And even what Headless said about the naming of things,

654
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 12>that's a property of hode, Like you would name something,

655
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 12>call something into reality, into form with its proper true

656
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 12>name if you want to say it like that, and so,

657
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 12>but it would be reflected or bounced off the ocean

658
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:47.119
<v Speaker 12>that is said or is Jupiter, So that goes into

659
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 12>really a dialectical relationship with the way the numbers work.

660
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.199
<v Speaker 12>And also yes, definitely the concert. And I was thinking

661
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 12>it's so interesting because I'm working on an eon of

662
00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 12>the Daughter series right now and just thinking about like

663
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:02.800
<v Speaker 12>you're saying, there's a lot of mother energy, and I

664
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:04.880
<v Speaker 12>think for me, I think of it and as more

665
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 12>of a daughter energy. But I think it's like a

666
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.320
<v Speaker 12>very interesting formulation, like because they are the same in

667
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 12>some ways, but then they also have important distinctions. So

668
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.559
<v Speaker 12>I think that's very interesting and corollary, well.

669
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.880
<v Speaker 3>When you're talking about the naming, naming goes into the

670
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.360
<v Speaker 3>cloth ough angle. This is the spinning. When you're naming something,

671
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 3>you're sort of spreading it out and opening it up

672
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.239
<v Speaker 3>because then you have the access to it. And like

673
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 3>he was saying, it's the naming of the thing is

674
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.679
<v Speaker 3>what spins and weaves the universe. So I think that

675
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 3>goes into the deeper meetings behind some of that sympathetic magic.

676
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:53.239
<v Speaker 13>It's going to interject really quickly speaking of sympathetic magic,

677
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 13>can you hear me? Okay? So most of the meso

678
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 13>American natives, they also practiced sympathetic or emititive magic, or

679
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 13>whatever they saw they worshiped her, they put into practice,

680
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 13>into rituals or whatever. And it seems like whatever they

681
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 13>feared was a god to them, right, because whatever was

682
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 13>I guess some strife or whatever, that was punishment by

683
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.559
<v Speaker 13>the gods, so to speak. But however, when you talk

684
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 13>about the spider within like Aztec culture, you see the

685
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 13>naming of the Great Goddess being associated with the spider,

686
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 13>and so that from what I understand, is she was

687
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:48.000
<v Speaker 13>associated with darkness and the underworld. But when you say, oh,

688
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 13>she was associated with darkness in the underworld, it was

689
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.760
<v Speaker 13>mainly they were attributing her to birth because within the

690
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 13>underworld they had nine levels and it was supposed to

691
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 13>represent the nine months of gestation, so anything below was

692
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 13>to bring forth, and the earth itself was mother, and

693
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.559
<v Speaker 13>so whatever came forth, whether it was coming out of

694
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 13>the earth or out of a cave or whatever, they

695
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 13>associated that with birth, mother giving and so forth, and

696
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 13>so that's why they considered or have a lot of

697
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 13>the depictions of the Great Goddess being associated from what

698
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:27.199
<v Speaker 13>I read with spiders, and I think, like her shield

699
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 13>has webs on it and stuff like that, So I

700
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 13>do remember that. And then so that you know, the

701
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 13>Spanish kind of documented that when they first arrived in

702
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 13>Mexico around fifteen twenties or something, and then later I

703
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.360
<v Speaker 13>think it was fifteen thirties in Peru. You start to

704
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.679
<v Speaker 13>see the or the report of the Nosca lines right,

705
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.199
<v Speaker 13>and you see the line the big from up above.

706
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 13>You can see the lining within that area of Peru,

707
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.480
<v Speaker 13>and you see a spider being associated with a lot

708
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.880
<v Speaker 13>of the other morephalllogies that were carved into the side

709
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.920
<v Speaker 13>of cliffs. So yeah, it was it was a big

710
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 13>deal even to the natives of Latin America or meso America,

711
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:12.079
<v Speaker 13>South America too.

712
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

713
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 12>I want to just jump off of what Lisa has said,

714
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 12>which was so great, which was about the Mother and darkness,

715
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 12>because I think you see this a lot in TNTRA,

716
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.199
<v Speaker 12>especially like people's misperceptions of like what that means. And

717
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.719
<v Speaker 12>I think Lisa's right on where she's saying, it's about birth,

718
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Speaker 12>it's about the it's the birth canal, it's that it's

719
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.480
<v Speaker 12>the it's the outer darkness sort of that you first perceive,

720
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.400
<v Speaker 12>but it's not really darkness because there is light in

721
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.320
<v Speaker 12>the womb, and there is a sort of luminescence that

722
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 12>is within the body, like a bioluminescence that the I

723
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.199
<v Speaker 12>think the baby even sees. So, but when they come

724
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:49.920
<v Speaker 12>into the artificial light, if you're having it specifically I'm

725
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.760
<v Speaker 12>thinking in a hospital, then that is really the you know,

726
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 12>you're you're piercing the veil kind of. So yeah, I

727
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.760
<v Speaker 12>think that her association with darkness is an to know mean,

728
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 12>And I think this is true in Buddhism in the

729
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 12>sense that she is very much like connected to the

730
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 12>Astarte or Lilith myth. But she's Antinomian only in the

731
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:16.159
<v Speaker 12>way that she's completely nondual, Like she's completely she both

732
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.480
<v Speaker 12>accepts and rejects form, but it's sort of neither nor

733
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.119
<v Speaker 12>rather than she's not in an extreme. So she is

734
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.159
<v Speaker 12>the one who said the first words or spoke the sound,

735
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.039
<v Speaker 12>but it's called the sound without view, meaning that it

736
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:33.079
<v Speaker 12>doesn't have like it's not contained by klipa. It's not

737
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 12>contained by askonda is what we would call it. It's

738
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 12>there's no aggregation around it. So it's just like a

739
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:42.760
<v Speaker 12>howling wolf or a howling or whistling sometimes is described

740
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:46.679
<v Speaker 12>as whistling. So it's not a word as we would understand,

741
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 12>it's it's it's a sound. And that's sort of the

742
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.719
<v Speaker 12>reverberation you could say, even of the heartbeat in the womb.

743
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 12>There's like that sound and maybe that's what that even

744
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 12>is referring to.

745
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's something there's something you owe me in about,

746
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, ambush predators, right, I mean, there's it's like

747
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.280
<v Speaker 3>you wait for them to be attracted to your your

748
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.079
<v Speaker 3>flame or your your your source of light, and then

749
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:13.599
<v Speaker 3>you catch the prey.

750
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:14.039
<v Speaker 1>You know.

751
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 3>It's and if you think about this Grandmother imagery, it's

752
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.079
<v Speaker 3>like you have to be caught in form so that

753
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 3>you can experience this life. And so the web or

754
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.599
<v Speaker 3>the weaving is sort of like the basis of all

755
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 3>material plane things, you know. I mean that's that's a

756
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 3>very gnostic view of things. But that's pretty accurate.

757
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 13>I was going to say if Wimer the commentary, Yes,

758
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 13>thank you for highlighting that magic. Yes, that is absolutely correct.

759
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:48.119
<v Speaker 13>The spider Woman of the d Wakan pre dates the

760
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:52.239
<v Speaker 13>Great Goddess of the Aztecs, and I believe she leads

761
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.920
<v Speaker 13>back into the toll Tech and even before them the

762
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.039
<v Speaker 13>ol Macs as well. So you're talking about one hundred BC.

763
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.840
<v Speaker 13>You know, that's a long long time ago, and most

764
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 13>of these codses that they've read through or whatever have

765
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 13>that indication in there. So yeah, thank you very much

766
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:12.159
<v Speaker 13>for reminding me about that.

767
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 9>Jin What were you saying regarding maybe the whistle or

768
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.360
<v Speaker 9>screech or a howl or something like that. It's more primal, right,

769
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.599
<v Speaker 9>that's the idea. Yeah, it's the primal sound. It's the

770
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Speaker 9>primal sound.

771
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.119
<v Speaker 12>It's not the word. But in one way of thinking,

772
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 12>her daughter or her great granddaughter, she is the one

773
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:37.840
<v Speaker 12>who create forms the word. So it's like the third cause. Nick,

774
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:39.920
<v Speaker 12>Robbie and I actually spoke about this the other day.

775
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 12>So I'm sorry, guys, but the word is considered to

776
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.480
<v Speaker 12>be sort of the third or the fourth cause, depending

777
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 12>on how you understand the ordering. So yeah, her is

778
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.719
<v Speaker 12>just the sound that penetrates the outer darkness. It comes

779
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:59.840
<v Speaker 12>down forms material reality. But like Buddhism is narcissism, especially

780
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.840
<v Speaker 12>like contract Buddha buddhasm. But it's not gnostic and there's

781
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.360
<v Speaker 12>no due. It's non it's non dual, there's no we.

782
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 12>We we embrace that. There's an idea of the carnal

783
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.360
<v Speaker 12>ground and the garden. At the same time, it's just

784
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 12>how you perceive of it, or you how you view it.

785
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.440
<v Speaker 12>So it's it's really about perspective rather than like being

786
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 12>in a fixed way of understanding.

787
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:22.440
<v Speaker 7>Mmmm.

788
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 3>Either you're caught in the net or you caught the

789
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:26.760
<v Speaker 3>net one of the two.

790
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 8>One thing I do find interesting. I just want to

791
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:32.880
<v Speaker 8>mention real quick that you brought it up and it

792
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.159
<v Speaker 8>just popped into my head. With the howling and the wolf.

793
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 8>I'm just wondering, like even thinking about like the howl

794
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.480
<v Speaker 8>and stuff. I mean, you hear musicians say it, and

795
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:44.599
<v Speaker 8>like I get it, but I also think there's like

796
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 8>doesn't necessarily mean you need breaks, but like you know,

797
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 8>you'll say, like you know, if it wasn't for the

798
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 8>space between notes, that'd be no music, you know, So

799
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 8>that how there's actually not much space. So like, in

800
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.159
<v Speaker 8>a sense to me, it's actually more free of form

801
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:03.440
<v Speaker 8>because it's just one long sound without anything breaking it

802
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:06.440
<v Speaker 8>up and changing, you know. So I even wonder if

803
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.480
<v Speaker 8>that's like something something to think about.

804
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:12.519
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I agree with what Nick just said. It was

805
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 12>quite deep and like she is persuading all space. That's

806
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 12>one of her like appitats like she is the primordial

807
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.960
<v Speaker 12>space that exists within. So just like what Nick said,

808
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 12>it's like it's continuous, it's ongoing, there's it fills.

809
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Everything right right stop the vibration, the monochord.

810
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.920
<v Speaker 9>Speaking of sounds and even silence and stuff like that.

811
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:39.880
<v Speaker 9>One of the things that I think is really interesting

812
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.360
<v Speaker 9>in older tarot decks, if you look at the major arcana,

813
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:48.440
<v Speaker 9>the death card is the only card that does not

814
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:49.360
<v Speaker 9>have a title.

815
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:50.760
<v Speaker 7>It doesn't have a name.

816
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.920
<v Speaker 9>And this is actually related to the scorpion because there

817
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 9>are some cultures where like the folk sort of like

818
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 9>idea was that you did not actually say the scorpions name,

819
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.199
<v Speaker 9>that it was an animal that you left unnamed, because

820
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 9>they thought that if you named it, if you actually

821
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:13.599
<v Speaker 9>said scorpion, that you're basically invoking death something along those lines,

822
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.119
<v Speaker 9>And so you don't say death's name, because otherwise it's

823
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 9>going to come for a visit, and you don't say

824
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.480
<v Speaker 9>the scorpions name as well. And these two things are

825
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.119
<v Speaker 9>so interlocked with each other that I think that's an

826
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:29.440
<v Speaker 9>interesting correspondence. So there's that whole side of things too,

827
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 9>which I think is intriguing and then also too related

828
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.960
<v Speaker 9>to just kind of more like folky stuff that has

829
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:41.679
<v Speaker 9>been like around for such a long time. But I

830
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 9>read in one of my books that there are genital

831
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 9>mutilation rituals where the glitterists would be cut or snipped,

832
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:54.119
<v Speaker 9>and then the blood that comes from that wound was

833
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.760
<v Speaker 9>referred to as the scorpion's venom, and so they made

834
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 9>a direct link with the square orpian's venom. And then

835
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 9>that blood similarly the exact same thing with circumcision rituals

836
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.719
<v Speaker 9>as well, referring to it as scorpion venom. And so

837
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 9>this is something that's been seen at least in a

838
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.760
<v Speaker 9>couple of different cultures my understanding from what I recall

839
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.039
<v Speaker 9>that it was some African tribes.

840
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 7>We're doing that.

841
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:21.760
<v Speaker 9>So just to show you the relationship of how deep

842
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.559
<v Speaker 9>the scorpionic weave is, you know, once again with the

843
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 9>genitals and sex and everything else.

844
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:27.280
<v Speaker 7>It goes way back.

845
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:32.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, Lisa, what about the recurve of the coccyx, right,

846
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.760
<v Speaker 3>it comes back in sort of like a scorpion stinging itself.

847
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:41.559
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, on the on the latter part of them. What

848
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:46.639
<v Speaker 13>I was going to say about the scorpion venom. It's

849
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:50.440
<v Speaker 13>it's interesting that you say that because usually most of

850
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:58.840
<v Speaker 13>the sensory part of the genitalia is predominantly neurological. Right,

851
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.559
<v Speaker 13>it doesn't it doesn't show to have a lot of

852
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:06.599
<v Speaker 13>capillary systems in terms of bleeding, but a lot of

853
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:11.960
<v Speaker 13>capillary systems for the sake of sensory right. And so

854
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:16.039
<v Speaker 13>if you look at the venom of scorpions, scorpion venom

855
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.679
<v Speaker 13>is neurotoxic. It is not hemotoxic. And so it's interesting

856
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 13>that they wouldn't say it's snake venom, but it's scorpion venom,

857
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 13>whereas I don't I'm not very familiar with all of

858
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.599
<v Speaker 13>the snakes of Africa, because you said that the ritual

859
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.079
<v Speaker 13>was practice in Africa. But I do know at least

860
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:38.320
<v Speaker 13>in the Americas, you do have more hemotoxic venom than

861
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 13>you do neurotoxic. Not to say it's not here, but

862
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.199
<v Speaker 13>in terms of Africa, it would be interesting that they

863
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:47.599
<v Speaker 13>made the distinction between scorpions and not snake.

864
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, hemotoxic would be more like vipers, right, it depends.

865
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 13>It depends which viper. Yeah, how they use it because

866
00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 13>I cobras are neurotoxic, snakes are hemotoxic. You do have

867
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.960
<v Speaker 13>girl snakes that are neurotoxic, and then you do have

868
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 13>which is the other ones? Jen I'm running. I think

869
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.400
<v Speaker 13>there's some in India that are mainly neurotoxic, but you

870
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:18.719
<v Speaker 13>do have some hemotoxic. Most of your mamas are neurotoxic.

871
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, mamas are definitely neuroto I think mamas actually have

872
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.960
<v Speaker 12>all three. Okay, they're just like super like they're just

873
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:29.599
<v Speaker 12>one of those crazy venom ones all correctly.

874
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, these are all independently developed venoms too as well,

875
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 3>which is really interesting about snakes. Yeah, what about the

876
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 3>sea snake? What's the sea snake? Because that's I think

877
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.000
<v Speaker 3>that's the key that sea.

878
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.159
<v Speaker 13>Crops majority of those are neurotoxic.

879
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.880
<v Speaker 3>There you go, that would make sense.

880
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.000
<v Speaker 13>I believe neurotoxic. Like I said, neurotoxic is much more

881
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:56.519
<v Speaker 13>popular on the older world versus the New World. Is

882
00:54:56.599 --> 00:55:04.239
<v Speaker 13>more humotoxic. I again, I'm very fluent in my in

883
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:07.239
<v Speaker 13>my reptiles. I need to brush upon that. But yeah,

884
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:08.800
<v Speaker 13>from what I remember, do.

885
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:15.119
<v Speaker 3>You know why it's called herpetology. When herpes is left untreated,

886
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 3>it looks like snakes as it erupts from the skin.

887
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Who so it makes the little snakes going all through it.

888
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 3>So herpes and herpetology goes, you know, back to the

889
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:26.920
<v Speaker 3>same origins.

890
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:32.719
<v Speaker 12>Well, all for this headless is that that is not

891
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 12>considered a snake disease in Chinese medicine, but it is

892
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:44.119
<v Speaker 12>considered a scorpion medicine because of the orientation of the boil.

893
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:46.519
<v Speaker 12>So like that would be a yang. If you have

894
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:51.199
<v Speaker 12>an uprising inflammation, that would actually be like a more

895
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.800
<v Speaker 12>associated with scorpions or centipedes, and so you there's an

896
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.599
<v Speaker 12>idea that you use like to treat like so in

897
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 12>some of those formulas they will include like pulverized and

898
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:06.519
<v Speaker 12>dried scorpion or pulverized and dried snake, But snake diseases

899
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.880
<v Speaker 12>are more of like rough hewn like psoriasis is a

900
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:16.079
<v Speaker 12>snake disease. So I haven't studied enough of the Native American.

901
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 11>Animal classifications, but there is that does also exist in

902
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.920
<v Speaker 11>Native American like herbal medicine and Dan Mormon's book he

903
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:24.880
<v Speaker 11>touches on it a little bit, So that would be

904
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.239
<v Speaker 11>interesting for someone like I know a few of them,

905
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.000
<v Speaker 11>but the snake ones I'm not familiar with.

906
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.440
<v Speaker 12>So it would be interesting to sort of look at

907
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:35.159
<v Speaker 12>that and see if there's a corollary between like venom

908
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.440
<v Speaker 12>remedies as well as the animal itself.

909
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 13>I do know, like I spent some time with an

910
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 13>Amazonian shaman in Peru, and they also believe in that

911
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:51.559
<v Speaker 13>that the disease resembles the actual animal that cures it.

912
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 13>So I mean he even showed us, like, you know,

913
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.760
<v Speaker 13>the sting of this bark or bulble and I'm sorry,

914
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.159
<v Speaker 13>the sting or the bite of this snake. And he

915
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.159
<v Speaker 13>held out, you know, dead snake. You know, they had

916
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:04.920
<v Speaker 13>the checkerboard or whatever of it. He's like, it's cured

917
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.199
<v Speaker 13>by this bark, and then he placed the bark right

918
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.360
<v Speaker 13>next to the actual snake and the two corresponded, and

919
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 13>so it you know that. I think you hear the

920
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:17.679
<v Speaker 13>one about the kidney breaking up, kidney stones or whatever,

921
00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 13>and they don't have anything like some aliament with kidney stones,

922
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.559
<v Speaker 13>but yet they already knew that these beans helped with

923
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:28.719
<v Speaker 13>kidney stones. So stuff like that that it looks similar

924
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 13>to what the aliment was. So yes, even in me,

925
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:36.960
<v Speaker 13>at least the natives of from Mexico on town.

926
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:44.000
<v Speaker 5>There's the There's a Bible quote too, Luke ten nineteen

927
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 5>that really brings these two.

928
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:51.320
<v Speaker 10>Jeez together.

929
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.400
<v Speaker 5>And it reads almost like a healing blessing that I

930
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:58.639
<v Speaker 5>give unto you power to tread on serpents and squirret

931
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:03.280
<v Speaker 5>and all and over all the power of the enemy,

932
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.760
<v Speaker 5>and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

933
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.760
<v Speaker 10>So it has that so that.

934
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.360
<v Speaker 13>That's so touch because even the shaman himself he said

935
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:17.800
<v Speaker 13>two things. He said, God is very kind to nate

936
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:21.480
<v Speaker 13>the naive mind. And then he said everything on earth

937
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:27.360
<v Speaker 13>God has placed for the purpose of curing so beautiful.

938
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.039
<v Speaker 13>Very yeah, it was very It correlates very well.

939
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:33.960
<v Speaker 10>Exactly correlates.

940
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 5>I hate to leave early, but I have to depart

941
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 5>and take some care of some responsibilities and honor to

942
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:50.079
<v Speaker 5>be here with you guys, and I apoloize. Thanks, I'm

943
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 5>gonna I'm gonna continue listening as I take care of

944
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:54.719
<v Speaker 5>my stuff.

945
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:59.719
<v Speaker 10>So good night, everybody. Apologies, you're good, thank you, thank you.

946
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Now, while we're on the subject of the Bible, when

947
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:10.920
<v Speaker 4>you look at when Noah went into the arc, it

948
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 4>was in the sign of scorpion, and then it was

949
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.679
<v Speaker 4>the great dying or the passing over into the new system.

950
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:22.159
<v Speaker 4>And then also when Jesus as far as Judas, the

951
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.599
<v Speaker 4>kiss of Judas that was also said to happen when

952
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:29.079
<v Speaker 4>Scorpio was in the sky, and the sting of the scorpio,

953
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:34.360
<v Speaker 4>it is that you get that kiss. Look that kiss

954
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 4>type pattern.

955
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:43.320
<v Speaker 9>So excellent, No, exactly, yeah, yeah, And deceivers and traders

956
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:47.199
<v Speaker 9>and stuff are are associated with the scorpions and scorpionic things.

957
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 7>The whole thing with.

958
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.360
<v Speaker 9>You know, the cure for different ailments having like a

959
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:57.199
<v Speaker 9>symbolic relationship with whatever it is you're talking about. Some

960
00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:58.960
<v Speaker 9>people refer to that you might already know this, but

961
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:03.599
<v Speaker 9>for the audience as doctrine of signatures, and so there's

962
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 9>all sorts of amazing examples out there. So it's definitely

963
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:11.960
<v Speaker 9>the real deal for sure. One of the things regarding

964
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 9>venom and least I'd love to hear your opinion about this,

965
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 9>But in my symbolic reference books, there's so many examples

966
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.639
<v Speaker 9>that I have where they say that back in the day,

967
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 9>people used to create a ring of fire around a

968
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:32.079
<v Speaker 9>scorpion and the scorpion would sting itself to death. Now

969
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.239
<v Speaker 9>I read this many times, and I've actually made posts

970
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.760
<v Speaker 9>about this, like on my Instagram and things like that,

971
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 9>and people confirmed and have said, hey, I've seen this

972
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:43.440
<v Speaker 9>for myself.

973
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.559
<v Speaker 7>My grandmother used to do this when I was a kid.

974
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:49.119
<v Speaker 9>I used to do this people from like you know,

975
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 9>Mexico and like Central America and stuff like that, And

976
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:59.039
<v Speaker 9>I have videos. I've found videos of this happening, not

977
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.639
<v Speaker 9>with fire, but with a container, like a glass bowl

978
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.920
<v Speaker 9>or something like that, and the scorpion is stinging itself.

979
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:12.119
<v Speaker 9>Yet every single mainstream source online, every single source online,

980
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.079
<v Speaker 9>says that this is impossible. It doesn't happen. This is

981
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.079
<v Speaker 9>only like sort of like urban legend type stuff or

982
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:21.320
<v Speaker 9>folklore or something like that. And people have had different

983
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:24.679
<v Speaker 9>things to say. They've said, well, if it's surrounded by fire,

984
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.079
<v Speaker 9>it's actually so hot that it's kind of like seizing

985
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.719
<v Speaker 9>because of just the temperature, and it looks like it's

986
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:33.159
<v Speaker 9>singing itself, but that the venom cannot hurt itself because

987
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:37.480
<v Speaker 9>it creates its own venom. So it's like immune to it, basically.

988
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.960
<v Speaker 9>And so I've heard different things from different people and

989
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.239
<v Speaker 9>different sort of ideas about what is maybe going on

990
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 9>there or what isn't going on there. If you have

991
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:46.519
<v Speaker 9>any thoughts, I'd just love to hear it.

992
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:52.039
<v Speaker 13>In terms of physiologically, In terms of scientific literature, I

993
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.880
<v Speaker 13>have not seen anything, but I remember my family, my

994
01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:01.639
<v Speaker 13>grandmother speaking about that, oh and talking about you know,

995
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:05.920
<v Speaker 13>the little folk whatever that in terms of singing itself.

996
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:10.400
<v Speaker 13>But see, I have also heard that the individual scorpion

997
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 13>itself cannot die from its venom. However, you do have

998
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:20.360
<v Speaker 13>courting whenever scorpions made, and they hold each other's singers

999
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 13>away from each other. So apparently they, you know, it

1000
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 13>is somewhat of a you know, poisonous to each other.

1001
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:33.880
<v Speaker 13>So I don't know if it's something individual jin. I

1002
01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:36.920
<v Speaker 13>don't know if you know anything about that, but I mean,

1003
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.119
<v Speaker 13>I'm pretty sure you do, but you're just saying that it.

1004
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:44.000
<v Speaker 13>I don't recall anything. What I do know about scorpions

1005
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 13>is that they are one of the few iraqnets that

1006
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:52.000
<v Speaker 13>has remained unchanged. People believe in the fossil record that

1007
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.679
<v Speaker 13>I believe that in over five hundred million years they

1008
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:58.679
<v Speaker 13>have not changed, and so it's one of the few

1009
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:05.039
<v Speaker 13>racknets that has remained virtually unchanged evolutionarily speaking. And then

1010
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:09.199
<v Speaker 13>they're exoskeleton. You can see it with UV, and I

1011
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:14.000
<v Speaker 13>think that that is also more of I guess the

1012
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:18.599
<v Speaker 13>defense mechanism as well. So birds obviously if they can

1013
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:23.239
<v Speaker 13>see UV, they can spot scorpions. So that's also one

1014
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.159
<v Speaker 13>of those predator prey dynamics.

1015
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's one of the Emperor scorpion, isn't it.

1016
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:33.920
<v Speaker 3>I believe there's two different times types that really dominate.

1017
01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:37.360
<v Speaker 3>It's the brown yellow kind and the black kind. And

1018
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.840
<v Speaker 3>the black kind is the more UV reactive.

1019
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:42.760
<v Speaker 13>I think both of them are, whereas one of them

1020
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 13>probably dominates in terms of how much fluorescence they emit.

1021
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 7>Gotcha, okay, jin go ahead.

1022
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:55.639
<v Speaker 12>Sorry, thank you, Mario. I just want to say, and

1023
01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:58.280
<v Speaker 12>they also great job, Lisa, and I will synthesize what

1024
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:01.519
<v Speaker 12>something Lisa said with something What Mario said is that

1025
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.719
<v Speaker 12>there's this idea. So I don't know if the what

1026
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:07.679
<v Speaker 12>you scorpion. I thank you Lisa for thinking that I

1027
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:12.679
<v Speaker 12>am so knowledgeable about zology. I'm really not, but it's flattering. Uh,

1028
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:17.000
<v Speaker 12>But there's there's an idea in Tantra that the scorpion

1029
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.440
<v Speaker 12>represents like the the first words or or maybe the yeah,

1030
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:25.840
<v Speaker 12>like creative and destructive words, that they both can be

1031
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.480
<v Speaker 12>contained in the same sort of vessel. So when you

1032
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:31.599
<v Speaker 12>speak them, it's sort of like speaking a scorpion into

1033
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:36.280
<v Speaker 12>the world. So if you if you misuse the words,

1034
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:41.000
<v Speaker 12>if you misuse the words improperly or without holding to

1035
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:46.159
<v Speaker 12>dharmic ideas, the the idea is that the scorpions will

1036
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.800
<v Speaker 12>come back and sting you, or that they will return

1037
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:51.079
<v Speaker 12>to you, or you will be eaten by that kind

1038
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.159
<v Speaker 12>of wolf slash scorpion queen that I also tweeted so

1039
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:58.440
<v Speaker 12>people can go look. And so I think that there's

1040
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:01.960
<v Speaker 12>an idea the oath breaker in that, and that that's

1041
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:04.599
<v Speaker 12>the corpse she stands on, Like every dikini has a

1042
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:06.880
<v Speaker 12>corpse that they stand on, and she stands on the

1043
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:09.400
<v Speaker 12>oath breaker. But it's not just the it's not like

1044
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:11.920
<v Speaker 12>an oath breaker as in like you're upholding like a

1045
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:15.639
<v Speaker 12>secret society oath. It's it's the oath of the dharmaic

1046
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 12>rules which we're all subject to. So that's sort of

1047
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:21.679
<v Speaker 12>the idea. It's like if you're breaking the covenant that

1048
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.519
<v Speaker 12>exists with all of us then and using the words

1049
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:29.519
<v Speaker 12>of creation or misusing them, then you will suffer the repercussion.

1050
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:31.360
<v Speaker 12>So I think maybe there's even something in the meso

1051
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:35.119
<v Speaker 12>American story about that, like, because there seems to be

1052
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.400
<v Speaker 12>like a power of repelling negative sorcery or turning it

1053
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:42.639
<v Speaker 12>backwards or into itself. So I definitely think that there's

1054
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:43.239
<v Speaker 12>something there.

1055
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think, on a tangent from what you just said,

1056
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:50.480
<v Speaker 3>I think it's important to note that the scorpion has

1057
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:55.719
<v Speaker 3>an eye on its tail, and the spiders have eight eyes,

1058
01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:00.320
<v Speaker 3>and I think that that should talk a lot about

1059
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:05.559
<v Speaker 3>the dharmic repercussions of what you're doing, and also it

1060
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.239
<v Speaker 3>should go directly over to Nick to talk about the eye,

1061
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:12.239
<v Speaker 3>because if you think about these things in terms of

1062
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.480
<v Speaker 3>the number of eyes and how they relate to one

1063
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.360
<v Speaker 3>another and how they relate to the rest of the world,

1064
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:21.159
<v Speaker 3>that's an interesting correlation, especially if you think about them

1065
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:25.880
<v Speaker 3>as being proto brains that would grow into other things

1066
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:29.000
<v Speaker 3>from that point, and being one of the oldest creatures

1067
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:31.079
<v Speaker 3>of the planet and having an eye on the tail.

1068
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:39.480
<v Speaker 6>I like that I know anything about the eye on

1069
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:39.800
<v Speaker 6>the tail.

1070
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:43.760
<v Speaker 7>Times logical real deal thing. They have an eye on

1071
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:44.199
<v Speaker 7>their tail.

1072
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1073
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:49.719
<v Speaker 7>Wow, damn, that's amazing. I've never heard that before.

1074
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, think about it. These are the most like deadly

1075
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.360
<v Speaker 3>creatures in terms of mythology. They've got to have an

1076
01:06:56.559 --> 01:07:00.199
<v Speaker 3>accurate targeting system or else they're fucked, you know, and

1077
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:04.239
<v Speaker 3>that that's their weapon, you know, that the backbiters, and

1078
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:06.440
<v Speaker 3>they've got to be able to sting exactly where they

1079
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:06.800
<v Speaker 3>want to go.

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01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Speaker 9>Wow, that's incredible. I got to look into that, man,

1081
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:18.079
<v Speaker 9>that that really is fascinating. So one of the things

1082
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:23.119
<v Speaker 9>related to the venom suicide sort of conversation is alchemists

1083
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:30.119
<v Speaker 9>have associated scorpio with like the blackening or Negretto step right.

1084
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.519
<v Speaker 9>And I was just reading too that apparently this concept

1085
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.199
<v Speaker 9>of scorpion time was a thing for the alchemists as well,

1086
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:43.199
<v Speaker 9>and that this was like a major sort of transformative,

1087
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:47.039
<v Speaker 9>transformative aspect to whatever it is they were like transmuting

1088
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:50.840
<v Speaker 9>and things like that. And so people have kind of

1089
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:56.039
<v Speaker 9>likened this potential suicide dynamic with the scorpion of being

1090
01:07:56.079 --> 01:08:02.519
<v Speaker 9>able to change things, you know, dynamically and rapidly pretty

1091
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:06.199
<v Speaker 9>much right on their own accord. And so I think

1092
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:09.079
<v Speaker 9>that that's kind of an interesting sort of thread. And

1093
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:13.280
<v Speaker 9>obviously what is death right, It's a huge change, you know,

1094
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:17.680
<v Speaker 9>and so you're going through major, major cycle upon death,

1095
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:20.560
<v Speaker 9>and so in that way too, I kind of see

1096
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:24.119
<v Speaker 9>it that the scythe of death itself is not unlike

1097
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:28.479
<v Speaker 9>the stinger of the Scorpion. And there's actually huge correspondence

1098
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:32.600
<v Speaker 9>I see with Saturn and and kind of like father

1099
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:36.159
<v Speaker 9>Time type figures and stuff like that with with Scorpio.

1100
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:39.720
<v Speaker 9>So there's like interchangeability, you know, kind of between these

1101
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:40.399
<v Speaker 9>two ideas.

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01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:41.239
<v Speaker 7>I would say.

1103
01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:44.640
<v Speaker 9>The other thing I was going to bring up too

1104
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:46.479
<v Speaker 9>that I think is interesting is a lot of people

1105
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.760
<v Speaker 9>have said that Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio were once considered

1106
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:55.239
<v Speaker 9>like one huge constellation and then kind of like a sword,

1107
01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.840
<v Speaker 9>Libra being introduced almost split up this huge constellation to

1108
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:05.520
<v Speaker 9>three smaller constellations, which is fascinating too, because Virgo and

1109
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:09.520
<v Speaker 9>Scorpio both have glyphs that look like m's right, and

1110
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:11.840
<v Speaker 9>so Virgo looks like a glyph with an M with

1111
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:14.159
<v Speaker 9>like a fish. Some people have different opinions about what

1112
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:16.840
<v Speaker 9>that is. To me, it's opposite Pisces. So I think

1113
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:18.920
<v Speaker 9>there's a piss and sort of dynamic with that, it's

1114
01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:21.439
<v Speaker 9>almost like her child, you know, it's almost like Christ

1115
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:25.720
<v Speaker 9>Virgo and Christ or something. And then with Scorpio you

1116
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:28.680
<v Speaker 9>have the glyph with the M with the sort of

1117
01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:31.760
<v Speaker 9>like stinger or to me, it almost reminds me too.

1118
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.600
<v Speaker 7>Of the arrow of Mars, the glyph for Mars.

1119
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1120
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:39.760
<v Speaker 7>But you have these two signs and one sign, Virgo

1121
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.079
<v Speaker 7>is on the light side or day side of the zodiac,

1122
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:45.800
<v Speaker 7>and then Scorpio is on the night side of the zodiac.

1123
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:48.520
<v Speaker 7>And what do you know, they're opposite of each other.

1124
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.079
<v Speaker 9>On both sides of libra the scales, so it's almost

1125
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:54.880
<v Speaker 9>like they weigh each other out. So it's almost like

1126
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:56.840
<v Speaker 9>the light Mother and the Dark Mother or something along

1127
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:57.319
<v Speaker 9>these lines.

1128
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:01.399
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, you nail there, because the M is one of

1129
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:03.680
<v Speaker 3>the oldest glyphs for feminine energy.

1130
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:14.800
<v Speaker 9>Yep, absolutely, mom, right, mama, so the waters, yes, exactly right. Yeah,

1131
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.359
<v Speaker 9>so I've heard two M. I don't know if it's

1132
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.960
<v Speaker 9>exclusively the only sort of letter phonetically, I think so

1133
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:25.560
<v Speaker 9>where it's more internal mmm. You know, it's almost more

1134
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.399
<v Speaker 9>receptive in and of itself, right, versus you know a

1135
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:32.479
<v Speaker 9>lot of other sounds more projective, more masculine.

1136
01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:37.079
<v Speaker 12>Mem is the thirteenth letter of these album.

1137
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.279
<v Speaker 9>That's right there you go, and that's the leak that

1138
01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:45.000
<v Speaker 9>corresponds with also the death card, the thirteenth card. So yeah, exactly,

1139
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:47.119
<v Speaker 9>there's a hole that thirteen weave is strong.

1140
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Well in the with the thirteens, you know, you have

1141
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:59.359
<v Speaker 4>going back to Jesus in the twelve Disciples, you have Washington,

1142
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:04.000
<v Speaker 4>d C. With the thirteen Colonies. You have this perpetual

1143
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:08.840
<v Speaker 4>idea of death and rebirth based around the number thirteen.

1144
01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:10.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, exactly.

1145
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:13.880
<v Speaker 9>And then I think of the American Eagle, like this

1146
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:17.199
<v Speaker 9>is one of the expressions of Scorpio as the eagle. Yeah, right,

1147
01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:20.000
<v Speaker 9>And so that to me in and of itself is

1148
01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:22.439
<v Speaker 9>kind of intriguing too. Right, So you look on the

1149
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:25.640
<v Speaker 9>dollar bill or the seal of the US thirteen arrows,

1150
01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:30.520
<v Speaker 9>thirteen stars, thirteen olives, and thirteen leaves, and then literally

1151
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.000
<v Speaker 9>that eagle right there emblematic of Scorpio potentially.

1152
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think there's a lot of yin yang energy

1153
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:42.560
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of different kinds of polarities when it

1154
01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:47.000
<v Speaker 3>comes to Scorpio and eagles, sky and earth, because there

1155
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:52.560
<v Speaker 3>is definitely an earthy feel to both spiders and scorpions

1156
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:56.159
<v Speaker 3>like it's very very much in form in matter. They

1157
01:11:56.239 --> 01:12:01.119
<v Speaker 3>have exoskeletons, you know, And I think that that aspect

1158
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.960
<v Speaker 3>is really kind of one of the things people don't

1159
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:08.039
<v Speaker 3>want to look at in their own shadow is going

1160
01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.640
<v Speaker 3>to be about how they create their webs, how they

1161
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:16.720
<v Speaker 3>have their influence, and also who they're fighting the most,

1162
01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:20.520
<v Speaker 3>because if you've noticed, I think a lot of narcissistic

1163
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:24.199
<v Speaker 3>people always hurt the people closest to them, you know,

1164
01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:26.560
<v Speaker 3>and that's not an accident. That goes back to very

1165
01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:32.680
<v Speaker 3>very deep psychology. And another aspect would be the idea

1166
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:37.680
<v Speaker 3>that spiders have pets. I don't know if you guys

1167
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.600
<v Speaker 3>have seen these videos, but some spiders will actually have

1168
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:45.000
<v Speaker 3>pets from other species and they'll feed them and they'll

1169
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.319
<v Speaker 3>take care of them, and they'll you know, treat them right.

1170
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:53.439
<v Speaker 3>What would happen in human evolution if giant spiders made

1171
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:54.680
<v Speaker 3>humans their pets.

1172
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:02.119
<v Speaker 7>I love that, man, I've never heard that, the spider

1173
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:03.399
<v Speaker 7>pet thing. I'm gonna look into that too.

1174
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.439
<v Speaker 13>I will say a friend of mine had a tarantula

1175
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:11.479
<v Speaker 13>and he kept like a little spiny, prickly pair and

1176
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:14.600
<v Speaker 13>you know, like a little I don't know what you

1177
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:18.119
<v Speaker 13>call just a cactus or whatever spines and he would

1178
01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:21.960
<v Speaker 13>feed the tarantula, and the tarantula would place his prey

1179
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:27.000
<v Speaker 13>on the spines almost like a cupboard. So I remember

1180
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.000
<v Speaker 13>witnessing that behavior of a tarantula and you're thinking, wow,

1181
01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:33.279
<v Speaker 13>that's that's that's a lot of planning on that. But

1182
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:35.680
<v Speaker 13>I was going to say headless to your point about

1183
01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:38.319
<v Speaker 13>the eye on the singer. I'd never heard of that,

1184
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:41.920
<v Speaker 13>so I looked it up really quick, and apparently the

1185
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:46.359
<v Speaker 13>entire skin of the scorpion is a photo is a

1186
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:50.560
<v Speaker 13>photoreceptor where it has many photoreceptors on the skin, and

1187
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.600
<v Speaker 13>it is referred to as the universal eye.

1188
01:13:54.960 --> 01:14:00.199
<v Speaker 3>Wow, shit, I'm not think about horseshoe crabs. Horshoe have

1189
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:03.720
<v Speaker 3>proto eyes on the outside of their shells, and also

1190
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.119
<v Speaker 3>that goes back into the crab. You know, they shed

1191
01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:08.520
<v Speaker 3>their shells, so there has to be some sort of

1192
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:10.319
<v Speaker 3>ocular component to them.

1193
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:13.359
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, which is a photoceptor, which is the retina. You

1194
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:16.479
<v Speaker 13>know what where is where the photoceptors reside in the

1195
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:20.840
<v Speaker 13>retina majority of them. And then you said the horseshoe crabs,

1196
01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:27.960
<v Speaker 13>some scorpions and some spiders do not contain hemolytic type properties.

1197
01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:33.000
<v Speaker 13>They contain more of a cyano or like sano hemolytic

1198
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:40.479
<v Speaker 13>whatever the what is it the copper based blood that

1199
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:42.720
<v Speaker 13>horse crab have, right.

1200
01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:44.880
<v Speaker 3>They also OCTOPI.

1201
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.600
<v Speaker 12>That sorry at least I didn't mean you. But the

1202
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:51.920
<v Speaker 12>color is really significant, I think, and that you're saying

1203
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:55.359
<v Speaker 12>the ciani like the the I'm calling it the fluids.

1204
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:59.079
<v Speaker 12>So those biological fluids like that matches perfectly with like

1205
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.000
<v Speaker 12>the colors that you would see dripping down if you

1206
01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:05.800
<v Speaker 12>think of cabala like your sewed, it's that dark purple

1207
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:09.880
<v Speaker 12>almost like very And then copper is obviously very closely

1208
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:12.680
<v Speaker 12>related to net SoC or venus. So yeah, you have

1209
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.279
<v Speaker 12>like some really interesting yeah.

1210
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:20.520
<v Speaker 13>And then you have a lot of guanning or guan

1211
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:22.600
<v Speaker 13>you know, like in bats, but you have a lot

1212
01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:26.439
<v Speaker 13>of guanning being excreted in their excrement as well.

1213
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:27.479
<v Speaker 10>I do.

1214
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:33.920
<v Speaker 13>I remember them shining fluorescent or UV light on the

1215
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:37.920
<v Speaker 13>droppings of scorpions, and so they do glow as well.

1216
01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:43.479
<v Speaker 13>So you have a lot of very alien like properties

1217
01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:47.399
<v Speaker 13>I think, in my opinion of these scorpions, and considering

1218
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:52.239
<v Speaker 13>that they were also worshiped by the natives in Mexico

1219
01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:54.039
<v Speaker 13>as well as all the way into Central and South

1220
01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:55.439
<v Speaker 13>America for a really long time.

1221
01:15:57.199 --> 01:15:59.359
<v Speaker 3>Well, think about the structure of the horseship crab with

1222
01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:02.359
<v Speaker 3>that law long spine that comes out of its back

1223
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:07.159
<v Speaker 3>end that could curve up, you know, into that scorpion

1224
01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:11.079
<v Speaker 3>like uh massage, and then you know, everything wants to

1225
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:15.960
<v Speaker 3>become a crab for some reason. So you've got Scianus

1226
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:18.640
<v Speaker 3>and which is just you know, all these different species

1227
01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:23.479
<v Speaker 3>end up becoming sort of this crab idea. So there's

1228
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:28.520
<v Speaker 3>there's a really interesting combination between you know, these arachnids

1229
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:31.920
<v Speaker 3>and these crab like beings and they all sort of

1230
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:33.880
<v Speaker 3>come from the same sort of route and they're just

1231
01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:36.880
<v Speaker 3>branching off and coming back into one another over millions

1232
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:37.800
<v Speaker 3>and millions of years.

1233
01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:42.520
<v Speaker 10>Wow, the.

1234
01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:46.600
<v Speaker 7>I thing, man, that that is.

1235
01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:49.119
<v Speaker 9>That's so interesting, dude, That's one of the more interesting

1236
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.439
<v Speaker 9>facts I've heard in a little while actually.

1237
01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:53.479
<v Speaker 8>Thinking about you know, how many how many times you

1238
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:55.960
<v Speaker 8>see crabs and lobsters using occultism, then.

1239
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.760
<v Speaker 6>If that goes back to any of that, that's just weird.

1240
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:03.079
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it is.

1241
01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:04.560
<v Speaker 6>Have you still one that for a minute?

1242
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:10.119
<v Speaker 4>And well, I was also going to say the spiders

1243
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:14.600
<v Speaker 4>they've also found that the exoskeleton actually allows them to

1244
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:19.560
<v Speaker 4>survive the void of space, so there is some theory

1245
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:24.079
<v Speaker 4>that they've actually traveled between worlds.

1246
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:26.880
<v Speaker 13>You know, that's interesting.

1247
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:29.720
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I think the alien thing is really relevant, actually, Lisa,

1248
01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:32.600
<v Speaker 9>you know, it makes total sense.

1249
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:37.119
<v Speaker 3>You know the crossover, you know it is it's kitan.

1250
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:40.439
<v Speaker 3>Kitin makes up the outside of a crab, and it

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01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:45.159
<v Speaker 3>also makes the outside of a mushroom. Mushrooms have kitan

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01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:48.039
<v Speaker 3>on the outside of them. And so what they talk

1253
01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:53.560
<v Speaker 3>about is these spores from mushrooms being spread throughout the universe,

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01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.439
<v Speaker 3>and that is like the seed of life. As they

1255
01:17:56.640 --> 01:18:00.720
<v Speaker 3>rotate in the sun's heat, they'll actually start to spin

1256
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.600
<v Speaker 3>and then they'll spin throughout the entire universe and spread

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01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:09.000
<v Speaker 3>kitan throughout everything. So you've got insects made of kiten,

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01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:12.159
<v Speaker 3>We've got fingernails that are very very close to kitan.

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01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:14.840
<v Speaker 3>And then the bark of a tree, as we were

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01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:18.319
<v Speaker 3>talking about with these different venoms earlier, is also made

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01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:20.960
<v Speaker 3>out of a kitan like substance, which is you know this,

1262
01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:25.920
<v Speaker 3>what's it called tree bark? What's it made out of?

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01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:30.399
<v Speaker 3>It's the same thing as cardboard, I forgot, but they

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01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:38.039
<v Speaker 3>put it in all these supplements, right, They cellulars cellulose

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01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:41.600
<v Speaker 3>kitan and our fingernails are, you know, like all one

1266
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.720
<v Speaker 3>molecule off from one another. It's so close it's ridiculous.

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01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:49.119
<v Speaker 12>I just wanted to add something that Lisa said that

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01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:52.399
<v Speaker 12>was really interesting that I forgot. I think also Headless

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01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:56.279
<v Speaker 12>said something about it is that scorpions are not even

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01:18:56.319 --> 01:18:58.840
<v Speaker 12>though yes, I know in Western astrology it is more

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01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:02.159
<v Speaker 12>associated with the earth element, but really they're associated with

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01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:05.640
<v Speaker 12>the sky element, so like a vadra or fire. That's

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01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:08.720
<v Speaker 12>more of a tondric idea is that they're they it's

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01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:11.600
<v Speaker 12>and fire is the element of transmutation, so things must

1275
01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:14.800
<v Speaker 12>pass through to come into form. So it's like a

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01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.720
<v Speaker 12>pre eminent destruction I think is a way to describe it,

1277
01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:22.199
<v Speaker 12>Like something has to be destroyed or die before it

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01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:23.000
<v Speaker 12>can appear in.

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<v Speaker 13>Our world, you know. And what you're saying is very

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01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:35.399
<v Speaker 13>correlative correlative because they can detect UV light. They are

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01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:39.239
<v Speaker 13>mainly associated with being night creatures, right, they are nocturnal

1282
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:41.640
<v Speaker 13>whatever because you can detect or they can see UV

1283
01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:46.439
<v Speaker 13>and better scene at night. But in I believe it's

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01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:50.640
<v Speaker 13>the earlier the Oulmes and the and the toll text.

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01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:55.359
<v Speaker 13>They worship the scorpion as being a midnight sacrifice or

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01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:59.960
<v Speaker 13>used in midnight sacrifices. So it's interesting that you said

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01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:04.560
<v Speaker 13>another you know, associated with with that. And then scorpions

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01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:09.640
<v Speaker 13>are obviously associated with old desert or dry or equatorial

1289
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:15.399
<v Speaker 13>type habitats. You do not find many in the latter

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01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:18.279
<v Speaker 13>parts of the pole like towards the poles, there's none

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01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:23.319
<v Speaker 13>in it, but you do see predominance around the equatorial

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01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:27.439
<v Speaker 13>habitats than you do in you know, extreme latitudes.

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01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.239
<v Speaker 12>The point about the dryness, I think is really interesting

1294
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:34.279
<v Speaker 12>if you look at it from more maybe not o

1295
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:37.920
<v Speaker 12>fight gnostic, but maybe just a broader gnostic cosmology and

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01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.720
<v Speaker 12>the idea of the Barbello and the sort of dried

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01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:44.840
<v Speaker 12>out grandmother emanator husk like we have very similar to

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01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:48.439
<v Speaker 12>what we have in Buddhism. So I think that's corollary.

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01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.520
<v Speaker 12>I think that it's like a it's the spent seeds,

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01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:54.600
<v Speaker 12>so all they can be is a little dry. They

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01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:58.439
<v Speaker 12>can't be it can be replenished, but it's it requires,

1302
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:02.239
<v Speaker 12>as I said, destruction before it can really be transformed.

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01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Mantis shrimp that goes into the eye to because mantis

1304
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:12.720
<v Speaker 3>shrimp have all those different kinds of cones and rods

1305
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:15.439
<v Speaker 3>that can pick up so many different colors that are

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01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:17.720
<v Speaker 3>almost unimaginable to human beings.

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01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:22.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they're vicious. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:29.119
<v Speaker 7>The the midnight sacrifice thing is so interesting to me.

1309
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:30.760
<v Speaker 7>I've heard that.

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01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:38.560
<v Speaker 9>In occultism that sometimes midnight is a reference to essentially

1311
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:42.680
<v Speaker 9>the pole, the world axis, polar northern symbolism, And so

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01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:46.479
<v Speaker 9>when people have referenced a midnight sun as an example

1313
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:49.000
<v Speaker 9>that this is actually it's more of a like a

1314
01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:52.399
<v Speaker 9>black sun, sort of dynamic or something along these lines.

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01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:54.720
<v Speaker 9>So I just thought I would throw that out there.

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01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:56.920
<v Speaker 9>I don't know if that's what they had intended or whatever.

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01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.520
<v Speaker 13>You know, you're talking about, you know, midnight and all

1318
01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:04.840
<v Speaker 13>of that. And I think Nick and I have talked

1319
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:11.960
<v Speaker 13>about potentially one day, talking about covering the different charges

1320
01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:16.359
<v Speaker 13>of the pineal associated with morning, noon, evening, and midnight.

1321
01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:20.039
<v Speaker 13>And I believe in facing different directions or whatever, and

1322
01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:22.920
<v Speaker 13>I believe it is during a full moon at midnight

1323
01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:26.319
<v Speaker 13>that you face north. And there is some sort of

1324
01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:31.359
<v Speaker 13>literature talking about how you can charge your pioneal by

1325
01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:35.720
<v Speaker 13>facing north into the moon's light, because a light from

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01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:39.920
<v Speaker 13>the moon itself does feed into the pineal. From a

1327
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:44.439
<v Speaker 13>biological standpoint, and charging. So that's that's very interesting to

1328
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:48.119
<v Speaker 13>talk about how you have almost a midnight sacrifice and

1329
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:51.720
<v Speaker 13>then you have that association with pineal and then again

1330
01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:58.039
<v Speaker 13>scorpio scort scorpions their exoskeleton have photoreceptors, and the pineal

1331
01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:01.000
<v Speaker 13>itself they have discovered, have photo themselves.

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01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:07.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, right, when you think about it, I think, as

1333
01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:11.680
<v Speaker 3>we've sort of covered these emanations and evolutions, you got

1334
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:15.720
<v Speaker 3>to think of the care pace or the outside shell

1335
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:19.880
<v Speaker 3>as being related to the aura. And so there is

1336
01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:22.159
<v Speaker 3>sort of like this idea that the aura is this

1337
01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:27.439
<v Speaker 3>vision as well as being visible. So I think if

1338
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:30.159
<v Speaker 3>you're going to be doing spell work with this stuff,

1339
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:33.199
<v Speaker 3>you have to remember that that aura is like the

1340
01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:36.560
<v Speaker 3>ancient care pace, you know, especially when it comes to

1341
01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:39.880
<v Speaker 3>our relationship with other people, because that's sort of like

1342
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:43.119
<v Speaker 3>how we feel them out, that's sort of the vibe,

1343
01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:46.800
<v Speaker 3>you know. So even though it's very earthy from a

1344
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:51.880
<v Speaker 3>evolutionary perspective, from this perspective, this is how we collect

1345
01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:54.960
<v Speaker 3>information from the people and things around us.

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01:23:56.279 --> 01:24:00.159
<v Speaker 13>I want, I'm not beat a dead horse here. So

1347
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:03.119
<v Speaker 13>we're talking about scorpions, We're talking about how they are

1348
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:07.600
<v Speaker 13>the universal eye. We're talking about how they have remained unchanged.

1349
01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.720
<v Speaker 13>So if they have lasted, if you believe in this,

1350
01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:13.560
<v Speaker 13>I do. But so I'm just gonna spit out there.

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01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:16.119
<v Speaker 13>If you believe that they've been around for more than

1352
01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:19.720
<v Speaker 13>five hundred million years, and you believe the DNA has memory,

1353
01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:24.600
<v Speaker 13>then that means that they saw what at least two

1354
01:24:24.760 --> 01:24:30.119
<v Speaker 13>extinctions and they survived and they're able to store that

1355
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:35.880
<v Speaker 13>event or memory in their DNA over and over and over.

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01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:39.119
<v Speaker 13>And now you're calling them the Universal Eye, and now

1357
01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:41.760
<v Speaker 13>you're saying that they can detect all kinds of things

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01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:46.359
<v Speaker 13>in terms of all of the electromagnetic information from the Sun.

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01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:49.359
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's right.

1360
01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:56.880
<v Speaker 13>Huge symbolism, symbolic what have you scorpion.

1361
01:24:57.319 --> 01:25:01.319
<v Speaker 3>The crayon marking its across the Earth.

1362
01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:05.159
<v Speaker 12>One hundred percent. I just want to add something, Lisa

1363
01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:07.439
<v Speaker 12>that you said. It was really interesting. It sparks some

1364
01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:11.119
<v Speaker 12>like a memory. I guess of the Midnight Sacrifices is

1365
01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:13.680
<v Speaker 12>that the goddess that we spoke about, or I spoke

1366
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:18.079
<v Speaker 12>about at the very beginning, Matongi, she is a Chandhali goddess.

1367
01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:21.279
<v Speaker 12>So she's associated with the Grove Sacrifices exactly like what

1368
01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:24.479
<v Speaker 12>you said, Like what would happen at midnight. There's even

1369
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:27.479
<v Speaker 12>an old tntra and a Katari princess was actually caught

1370
01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.239
<v Speaker 12>doing this ritual. Interestingly, it was a newspaper clipping of it.

1371
01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:36.600
<v Speaker 12>So you find eight different I guess men that fit

1372
01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:41.439
<v Speaker 12>a specific archetype birth date very specifically, and you have

1373
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.439
<v Speaker 12>relations with all eight and then you perform whatever the

1374
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:50.239
<v Speaker 12>ritual is and you and then you then you get

1375
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:52.319
<v Speaker 12>a boon from that goddess. But it has to happen

1376
01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:55.319
<v Speaker 12>at a specific time, which is midnight, has to happened

1377
01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:58.520
<v Speaker 12>in the night in the specific location. So I think

1378
01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:02.960
<v Speaker 12>it's very interesting about that. And then the idea of

1379
01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:05.960
<v Speaker 12>the moon phases and where you would face. This is

1380
01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:08.720
<v Speaker 12>also related to the growth worship which the goddesses are

1381
01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:13.119
<v Speaker 12>called the Nitya goddesses, meaning that there are particular faces

1382
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:16.479
<v Speaker 12>of the void. That's how it's what Nitya also means.

1383
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:19.680
<v Speaker 12>It can mean eternal or void, but it also refers

1384
01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:22.600
<v Speaker 12>to an internal thing which is just below your lungs,

1385
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:25.880
<v Speaker 12>this kind of like void emptiness that exists like in

1386
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.560
<v Speaker 12>a pocket, almost like in your body, so it can

1387
01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:32.279
<v Speaker 12>also refer to that. And then the Nitia goddesses are

1388
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:36.479
<v Speaker 12>nine in number, so whatever the moon phase is, you

1389
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:40.359
<v Speaker 12>face that direction and then perform the ritual for that

1390
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:42.359
<v Speaker 12>goddess or that face.

1391
01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:46.680
<v Speaker 7>Gotchas Man.

1392
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:50.359
<v Speaker 3>I was going to talk a little bit about how

1393
01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:54.039
<v Speaker 3>evolved folk magic is because it takes all of these

1394
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:57.199
<v Speaker 3>different elements and just because it's a different sort of

1395
01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:01.920
<v Speaker 3>a language and expressing it, it's still the same thing.

1396
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:04.520
<v Speaker 3>And so the folk magic is like tapping into this

1397
01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:09.560
<v Speaker 3>root that you know, all of these different elements sort

1398
01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:14.239
<v Speaker 3>of play into. But it's not immediately obvious why they

1399
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:17.560
<v Speaker 3>would because it's using very simple language.

1400
01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:26.399
<v Speaker 4>Now, Interestingly, in the in regard to scorpions and scorpio,

1401
01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:31.640
<v Speaker 4>when you look into the mythri cult when they sacrifice

1402
01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:36.800
<v Speaker 4>the yearly Bull, there's a scorpion that is actually down

1403
01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:41.560
<v Speaker 4>at the testicles of the bull that's stinging the testicles

1404
01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:46.840
<v Speaker 4>as the bull is dying to basically encourage the release

1405
01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:52.680
<v Speaker 4>of the generative force into the cosmos to revivify. And

1406
01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:56.720
<v Speaker 4>again we're talking about the idea of dying, passing over

1407
01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:00.439
<v Speaker 4>and revivifying, so death and rebirth once again.

1408
01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:02.479
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, this is my theory.

1409
01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:10.439
<v Speaker 3>I think the baculum, because most mammals have a penis bone.

1410
01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:15.800
<v Speaker 3>I think the baculum is the original magic wand. If

1411
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:18.920
<v Speaker 3>you think about it, everybody's run across a skeleton in

1412
01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:22.680
<v Speaker 3>the woods before, right, and what's always missing from that

1413
01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:26.279
<v Speaker 3>skeleton is the penis bone. So if h Man is

1414
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:30.199
<v Speaker 3>looking at these skeletons, they're thinking, hold on a second,

1415
01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:32.359
<v Speaker 3>when I killed this animal, there was a penis bone.

1416
01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:35.199
<v Speaker 3>There's no more penis bone. Something went after this thing.

1417
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:39.520
<v Speaker 3>It's highly valued in nature. So maybe the magic wand

1418
01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:42.159
<v Speaker 3>comes from the baculum ideal. If you look at the

1419
01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:48.079
<v Speaker 3>the raccoon vaculum, right, it's very much scorpio, it's got

1420
01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:51.920
<v Speaker 3>the scorpion curve, and it's also you know, very straight

1421
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:55.279
<v Speaker 3>at the end. There's there's this kind of magical element

1422
01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:59.520
<v Speaker 3>to the baculum and this generative principle that I think

1423
01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:03.680
<v Speaker 3>feeds into the idea of the magic wand. And also

1424
01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:06.079
<v Speaker 3>he's flying broom.

1425
01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:09.760
<v Speaker 9>For sure, No exactly, right man, Yeah, the fallus is

1426
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:12.239
<v Speaker 9>a magic wand. You know they're they're one and the same.

1427
01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:15.279
<v Speaker 9>It's energy being sent forth right, right, That's that's what

1428
01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:19.000
<v Speaker 9>the wand represents, that thought, the fallas represents. I'm so

1429
01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:21.520
<v Speaker 9>glad you brought up the Mithraic connection because I have

1430
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:27.039
<v Speaker 9>that in my notes too. It's perfect symbolically. It's amazing

1431
01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:32.520
<v Speaker 9>because when Scorpio is rising, the bowl is falling right right,

1432
01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:35.560
<v Speaker 9>and so there's a few things that operate this way.

1433
01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:39.840
<v Speaker 9>So because Scorpio is opposite Taurus, that dynamic is there.

1434
01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:44.920
<v Speaker 9>Oriyan isn't too far away from Taurus as well, and

1435
01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:48.439
<v Speaker 9>that's the hunter and he got stung by a scorpion

1436
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:50.600
<v Speaker 9>and that was like he was a mighty hunter, but

1437
01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:54.479
<v Speaker 9>the scorpion is what did him in and so so

1438
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.920
<v Speaker 9>the same sort of dynamic when the scorpion is rising,

1439
01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:00.319
<v Speaker 9>Oriyan is falling and kind of relate to this.

1440
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:05.119
<v Speaker 7>Actually, So in Taurus you have two stars that make

1441
01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:07.560
<v Speaker 7>up the eyes of the bowl. One is al de

1442
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:09.479
<v Speaker 7>Baron and one is Ayen.

1443
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:12.520
<v Speaker 9>Al de Baron is like this huge, massive royal star

1444
01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:16.640
<v Speaker 9>and then Aen actually literally means I, which is interesting.

1445
01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:19.720
<v Speaker 9>So you have these two stars there. And what I've

1446
01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:23.000
<v Speaker 9>heard from this astrologer, his name is ross Ben. I

1447
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:25.000
<v Speaker 9>don't know if you guys are familiar with his work,

1448
01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:28.600
<v Speaker 9>but he's an interesting dude. And he got really into

1449
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:32.039
<v Speaker 9>all things related to Philadelphia history and like the founding

1450
01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:34.199
<v Speaker 9>of this country and like all sorts of stuff right,

1451
01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:38.920
<v Speaker 9>and he has a really great presentation. I know he's

1452
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:40.760
<v Speaker 9>talked about this a number of times over the years,

1453
01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:44.199
<v Speaker 9>but one of the things he's tracked is potentially the

1454
01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:48.760
<v Speaker 9>Declaration of Independence literally being signed at the moment that

1455
01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:52.680
<v Speaker 9>Al de Baron is rising over the eastern horizon, and

1456
01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:55.880
<v Speaker 9>that that was a deliberate encoding that the founding or

1457
01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:58.920
<v Speaker 9>Benjamin Franklin was trying to do when he signed it,

1458
01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:02.319
<v Speaker 9>which is interesting because that's when Scorpio is also falling.

1459
01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:05.680
<v Speaker 9>So again, just the thirteen Colonies and the thirteen business

1460
01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:08.439
<v Speaker 9>and just the fact that there's that sort of relationship

1461
01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:09.479
<v Speaker 9>I think is kind of intriguing.

1462
01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:11.720
<v Speaker 7>And the Eagle and as it relates to Scorpo and

1463
01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:13.840
<v Speaker 7>stuff like that. So something to chew on.

1464
01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:15.640
<v Speaker 10>El de Bora.

1465
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.520
<v Speaker 14>Guy hel de Born is also known as the bulls eye,

1466
01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:22.880
<v Speaker 14>and it's where we get the word and term bull's

1467
01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:24.279
<v Speaker 14>eye from as well.

1468
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:27.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, totally.

1469
01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:29.800
<v Speaker 9>And then even kind of opposite, not directly, it's not

1470
01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:33.560
<v Speaker 9>the like polar opposing sign, but Sagittarius being right next

1471
01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:39.520
<v Speaker 9>to Scorpio centaur. My understanding is that centaar means bull

1472
01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:43.439
<v Speaker 9>killer and so so there is that dynamic too that

1473
01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:49.600
<v Speaker 9>that tar in centaur means like bull taurus. So the

1474
01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:53.119
<v Speaker 9>bulls eye, you can say that Sagittarius. There's a number

1475
01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:57.680
<v Speaker 9>of claims symbolically of where Sagittarius is pointing a zarrow,

1476
01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:00.439
<v Speaker 9>but one of the claims is that he's pointing it

1477
01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:02.359
<v Speaker 9>at the ball across on the elliptic.

1478
01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:06.760
<v Speaker 3>That would make sense to have that as being the

1479
01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:10.600
<v Speaker 3>entropy killer. Right, So, as you hit the bulls eye,

1480
01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:14.199
<v Speaker 3>what does sid mean? It means missing the mark. But

1481
01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:17.399
<v Speaker 3>when you're hitting the mark, if you're hitting the bullseye,

1482
01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:19.960
<v Speaker 3>that's when you're killing entropy.

1483
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:22.960
<v Speaker 6>Right there you go.

1484
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:28.319
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, man, this crew is awesome, by the way, I

1485
01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:30.560
<v Speaker 9>really I appreciate everyone's insights.

1486
01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:34.640
<v Speaker 8>I just want stuff. It's got me thinking too much

1487
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:38.479
<v Speaker 8>now right, well, like I'm going to get lost and

1488
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:39.600
<v Speaker 8>rabbitbles now after this.

1489
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's so many That's what I love about these

1490
01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:48.119
<v Speaker 3>different things. It's the power of association. Everybody has these

1491
01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:51.800
<v Speaker 3>associations that are just hardwired into our minds because of

1492
01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:54.359
<v Speaker 3>all of our experiences and stuff, and then once we

1493
01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:56.920
<v Speaker 3>bring them out, we find that it connects to so

1494
01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:00.399
<v Speaker 3>many other different minds. It's beautiful thing.

1495
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:02.479
<v Speaker 8>I think I said it on Gin Show I said,

1496
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:04.399
<v Speaker 8>in some ways, I said, it's almost like an audio

1497
01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:06.720
<v Speaker 8>version of Crowley seven seven seven When I have this

1498
01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:09.800
<v Speaker 8>many people on. Everybody has their own association and their

1499
01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:11.479
<v Speaker 8>wrong way of looking at it, and you just get.

1500
01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:14.359
<v Speaker 4>The layers of symbols.

1501
01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1502
01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:17.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure.

1503
01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Instead of a book, you just got the engineer. Yeah,

1504
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:24.000
<v Speaker 3>he is taking this all in and he's just imagining

1505
01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:27.079
<v Speaker 3>all of these different numbers and how to construct the thing.

1506
01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:30.239
<v Speaker 3>It's beautiful, I see working.

1507
01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:32.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what are you thinking about it? You got anything

1508
01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:33.520
<v Speaker 6>you want to add? TJ do this stuff.

1509
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:36.399
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I'm just well, I guess I'm like kind of

1510
01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:39.159
<v Speaker 14>embodying like that scorpio energy too, where I'm just kind

1511
01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:41.359
<v Speaker 14>of like sitting in the back and I'm I'm like, yeah,

1512
01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:42.000
<v Speaker 14>I'm the spider.

1513
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:42.479
<v Speaker 10>Weave in.

1514
01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:46.720
<v Speaker 14>We've in the conversation in the background. One thing on

1515
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:51.119
<v Speaker 14>the Jamatria to bring up a bit is spider uh

1516
01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:54.359
<v Speaker 14>equals seventy one and that's the twentieth prime. That's like

1517
01:33:54.479 --> 01:34:01.439
<v Speaker 14>not really that relevant, but spider matches with Babylon thought, O'Ryan, virgo, pisces,

1518
01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.199
<v Speaker 14>and sperm, which were all things that were brought up

1519
01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:07.159
<v Speaker 14>as far as explaining the Spider and the spider just

1520
01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:09.560
<v Speaker 14>having to do with that. Like, I think Babylon is

1521
01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:12.239
<v Speaker 14>a good a really good match there too, because it's

1522
01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:14.560
<v Speaker 14>like the it kind of is the reality. It's like

1523
01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:17.960
<v Speaker 14>the Tower of Babel and we babble on we speak, right,

1524
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:20.600
<v Speaker 14>it fits with that kind of thing. And then even

1525
01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:25.479
<v Speaker 14>with nick uh vibin on that and the scorpion, scorpion

1526
01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:27.840
<v Speaker 14>equals one to oh nine. One hundred and nine is

1527
01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:29.479
<v Speaker 14>the seventeenth prime number.

1528
01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:30.880
<v Speaker 6>So there we go.

1529
01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:31.760
<v Speaker 12>We got the number.

1530
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:36.960
<v Speaker 14>Seventeen, and then scorpion matches with reduction, octopus, sucubis, labyrinth,

1531
01:34:37.079 --> 01:34:40.760
<v Speaker 14>magic eight ball, wormholes, straw man, acid, diamonds, thatch is

1532
01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:42.399
<v Speaker 14>what I had off the top of my head kind

1533
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:46.239
<v Speaker 14>of thing. So it's just cool how it all connects.

1534
01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:50.279
<v Speaker 14>And then on like the alien thing, like the scorpion,

1535
01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:53.680
<v Speaker 14>the spider, and the octopus, these eight legged things are

1536
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:56.479
<v Speaker 14>all very alien vibe, like it's not just one of them,

1537
01:34:56.680 --> 01:34:58.520
<v Speaker 14>like they all have that kind of.

1538
01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:00.479
<v Speaker 10>Nig to them.

1539
01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:05.279
<v Speaker 3>What if seventeen? What if seventeen is the last part

1540
01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:08.319
<v Speaker 3>of that trinity, So you've got eight, thirteen and seventeen.

1541
01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:13.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, there's there's a there's actually there.

1542
01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:16.439
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, there's a definitely connection there. It's this, it's you know,

1543
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:20.000
<v Speaker 12>it's the star falling onto the path, the light traveling

1544
01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:23.680
<v Speaker 12>from the path from n'saw to code, and then it's

1545
01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:28.640
<v Speaker 12>shooting her arrow into the paths and then she ends

1546
01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:33.640
<v Speaker 12>up facing Tipperreth looking at Gabera, or she's looking at

1547
01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:37.880
<v Speaker 12>Tipprith from Gerbera. So there's like this girl there that's

1548
01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:40.479
<v Speaker 12>not like an archer. She's holding like Mario's talking about,

1549
01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:43.680
<v Speaker 12>like the Sagittarius, and but it's all being rectified at

1550
01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:45.680
<v Speaker 12>the moon, so it's all like happening. So it is

1551
01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:46.439
<v Speaker 12>like a Babylon.

1552
01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:47.520
<v Speaker 6>So and TJ.

1553
01:35:47.720 --> 01:35:49.199
<v Speaker 12>I don't want to call you out, but you are

1554
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:52.960
<v Speaker 12>have a pink background. And as I've said to Nick,

1555
01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:57.399
<v Speaker 12>pink is the color of synthesis in decoherence. So it

1556
01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:01.680
<v Speaker 12>is a it is a spectral color. It doesn't exist,

1557
01:36:02.199 --> 01:36:04.640
<v Speaker 12>but it's something that we construct with our minds. So

1558
01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:08.800
<v Speaker 12>it's very much related to consciousness or akasha or space

1559
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:12.199
<v Speaker 12>or void, which is something that we've perennially. I guess

1560
01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:15.039
<v Speaker 12>you've been. We've been all referencing. So there's something really

1561
01:36:15.119 --> 01:36:15.720
<v Speaker 12>interesting there.

1562
01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:20.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's the thing we're talking about. Decoherence. Eight would

1563
01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:24.279
<v Speaker 3>be the decoherence of seven, thirteen would be the decoherence

1564
01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:27.720
<v Speaker 3>of twelve, and then seventeen would be the decoherence of

1565
01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:30.119
<v Speaker 3>the double eight sixteen, sixteen.

1566
01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:34.920
<v Speaker 12>It is also the number of creations. So I just

1567
01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:37.199
<v Speaker 12>want to I forgot to say that it's decoherence, but

1568
01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:41.560
<v Speaker 12>it's also creative in its capacity because it's the capacity

1569
01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:44.000
<v Speaker 12>for love, right, that's the whole idea.

1570
01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:47.960
<v Speaker 13>Gen You just spark something I totally forgot to say

1571
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:53.359
<v Speaker 13>about scorpions. They do have. They do practice parth genesis

1572
01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:56.880
<v Speaker 13>in that whenever there's not a mate around, they can

1573
01:36:57.199 --> 01:37:01.279
<v Speaker 13>reproduce asexually. Granted they we clone of it of themselves, but.

1574
01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:03.079
<v Speaker 3>They do.

1575
01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:07.600
<v Speaker 13>The female does is able to participate in part the genesis, and.

1576
01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:10.439
<v Speaker 3>I believe again the version.

1577
01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:16.079
<v Speaker 13>I believe the courtship within aside from them holding each

1578
01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:19.880
<v Speaker 13>other's stingers and so forth, I do. I think it's

1579
01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:22.960
<v Speaker 13>very elaborate. From what I remember. I think there is

1580
01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:27.399
<v Speaker 13>like a thumping to where the female feels the vibrations

1581
01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:30.600
<v Speaker 13>of the male. There's this whole it's like it's it's

1582
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:33.640
<v Speaker 13>really long and elaborate. I do know that some of

1583
01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:38.800
<v Speaker 13>them will subdue the female again, but it's it's so

1584
01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:43.239
<v Speaker 13>elaborate and so intricate that it it almost like transcends

1585
01:37:43.399 --> 01:37:46.039
<v Speaker 13>just the fact that it's you know, just an eracnid.

1586
01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:50.920
<v Speaker 13>Why the long you know, courtship. So it's very interesting.

1587
01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:52.760
<v Speaker 13>I do I do remember that. I don't know the

1588
01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:53.600
<v Speaker 13>specifics of it.

1589
01:37:53.760 --> 01:37:57.079
<v Speaker 14>But they dance with each other, they like grab claws

1590
01:37:57.119 --> 01:37:58.359
<v Speaker 14>and around.

1591
01:37:58.119 --> 01:37:59.399
<v Speaker 13>And it's very.

1592
01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:01.199
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1593
01:38:01.399 --> 01:38:04.920
<v Speaker 9>That's incredible, the fact that parthenogenesis is a thing with

1594
01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:08.800
<v Speaker 9>the scorpion, and then Virgo is right again opposite on

1595
01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:09.880
<v Speaker 9>the other side of Libra.

1596
01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:12.079
<v Speaker 7>I mean, that is that's amazing.

1597
01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:16.199
<v Speaker 9>Something somebody said just reminded me of the fact that

1598
01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:20.159
<v Speaker 9>Scorpio season is when we have Halloween and the Day

1599
01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:22.439
<v Speaker 9>of the Dead. So the idea is that the veil

1600
01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:28.399
<v Speaker 9>is thin, you know, and Libra has you know, it's

1601
01:38:28.439 --> 01:38:31.159
<v Speaker 9>equal parts day and night. It's bringing in the fall.

1602
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:34.319
<v Speaker 9>So like the dark side of the Zodiac. And then

1603
01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:37.159
<v Speaker 9>to me, Scorpio is like one of the prime symbols

1604
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:39.560
<v Speaker 9>that really embodies sort of like the dark side of

1605
01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.479
<v Speaker 9>the Zodiac, if you will, and you know, crossing the

1606
01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:44.960
<v Speaker 9>abyss or the other side or you know, whatever it

1607
01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:48.920
<v Speaker 9>is you want to say, all things related to the

1608
01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:53.359
<v Speaker 9>Dark Mother and you know this idea too. There's a

1609
01:38:53.399 --> 01:38:55.319
<v Speaker 9>lot of veil symbolism kind of going on. But what

1610
01:38:55.880 --> 01:39:01.039
<v Speaker 9>veils reveals, what conceals reveals, right, and so things are

1611
01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:03.720
<v Speaker 9>generated in the dark, you know, you put a seed

1612
01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:07.319
<v Speaker 9>into the ground, right, Mother Earth, and so the dark

1613
01:39:07.399 --> 01:39:10.880
<v Speaker 9>mother thing is so beautiful to me personally, kind of

1614
01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:15.800
<v Speaker 9>related to that too. In Scorpio, you have Antaras another

1615
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:19.319
<v Speaker 9>royal star, which is the heart of the Scorpion, and

1616
01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:23.720
<v Speaker 9>that star is brilliant. I mean when I used to

1617
01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:27.199
<v Speaker 9>stargaze way more, I always used to see that that

1618
01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:30.079
<v Speaker 9>is like the most flickery star you can find, like

1619
01:39:30.439 --> 01:39:32.800
<v Speaker 9>in the sky basically. And I used to have a

1620
01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:36.359
<v Speaker 9>P nine hundred and so that's like the camera where

1621
01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:38.720
<v Speaker 9>you can zoom in like crazy. I can't remember the

1622
01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:42.279
<v Speaker 9>magnification on it, but it's like absolutely nuts. And one

1623
01:39:42.279 --> 01:39:44.880
<v Speaker 9>of my favorite things was to zoom in on Antera's

1624
01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:47.880
<v Speaker 9>because it's just like this little light show. It's almost

1625
01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:49.479
<v Speaker 9>kind of like a little rainbow.

1626
01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:50.039
<v Speaker 12>It's warm.

1627
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:54.079
<v Speaker 9>They compare it to Mars, which is kind of interesting

1628
01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:56.840
<v Speaker 9>too because al Deboron has a lot of symbolism related

1629
01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:59.800
<v Speaker 9>to Mars as well. Actually, you know, they both kind

1630
01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:03.439
<v Speaker 9>of lean towards the warmer side of things and have

1631
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:07.199
<v Speaker 9>symbolism you know that corresponds with that. And Mars used

1632
01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:12.039
<v Speaker 9>to be like the traditional rulership of Scorpio too, so

1633
01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:14.600
<v Speaker 9>there's that, but there is a heart dynamic with the

1634
01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:18.000
<v Speaker 9>scorpion as well too, and I think in Terror's is

1635
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:19.920
<v Speaker 9>kind of one of those keys that you can look

1636
01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:21.479
<v Speaker 9>into to find out more about it.

1637
01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:26.119
<v Speaker 12>Something you said, Mario was really interesting to me about

1638
01:40:26.199 --> 01:40:29.680
<v Speaker 12>how you say it's the dark mother. So in Buddhism

1639
01:40:29.800 --> 01:40:33.279
<v Speaker 12>that would represent the first turning and then the subsequent

1640
01:40:33.399 --> 01:40:37.920
<v Speaker 12>other turnings. Yes, she reappears in a younger form maybe

1641
01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:40.479
<v Speaker 12>in the last turning, so the third turning, but for

1642
01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:44.439
<v Speaker 12>the fourth turning she has to rectify as again the daughter.

1643
01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:47.319
<v Speaker 12>So there is something really interesting there and Mars does

1644
01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:49.119
<v Speaker 12>play a big part in that. And I think Pop

1645
01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:52.439
<v Speaker 12>twenty two that path from just said to Gebura that

1646
01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:58.399
<v Speaker 12>thing that is synthetically perfect in a way, like Lisa

1647
01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:01.119
<v Speaker 12>was even hinting at this, not him, she said, part

1648
01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:03.880
<v Speaker 12>in the genesis something I've been thinking a lot about personally,

1649
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:09.600
<v Speaker 12>and just this idea of like what like if if

1650
01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:12.880
<v Speaker 12>the perfection happens at tip Erith, like that sort of green,

1651
01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:16.439
<v Speaker 12>harmonious color. But then we also say there's this dualistic

1652
01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:19.720
<v Speaker 12>property where it's control, Like there's a control because there's

1653
01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:23.439
<v Speaker 12>an illusion. It's not necessarily control as in handcuffs or shackles,

1654
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.680
<v Speaker 12>maybe because we can consciously take them off if we

1655
01:41:26.760 --> 01:41:30.720
<v Speaker 12>want to have an quit to say. And but you know,

1656
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:33.479
<v Speaker 12>like what is sort of the reflection of that? That's

1657
01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:35.800
<v Speaker 12>so I think there's something in that where it's like,

1658
01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:38.000
<v Speaker 12>is that path in the genesis? Is that what that

1659
01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:40.159
<v Speaker 12>story is kind of talking about. Is this sort of

1660
01:41:40.199 --> 01:41:42.720
<v Speaker 12>like a like a sort of thing that we know

1661
01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:47.520
<v Speaker 12>that we don't acknowledge, like a hidden truth? And because

1662
01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:49.960
<v Speaker 12>Mario bar even brought up the world card, well that

1663
01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:52.960
<v Speaker 12>in Kapala means that's the path of truth. That's like

1664
01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:55.279
<v Speaker 12>that that's what connects us to the moon, that's what

1665
01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:58.960
<v Speaker 12>connects us to Babylon. So something really interesting also about that,

1666
01:41:59.119 --> 01:42:01.720
<v Speaker 12>like is that the truth of humanity? If you want

1667
01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:04.159
<v Speaker 12>to take it to a speculative place, is it this

1668
01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:08.079
<v Speaker 12>parth in agenesis, this creation of the as my friend

1669
01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:11.239
<v Speaker 12>Sashi would call it, the crystal Millennium Kingdom? Like, is

1670
01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:13.960
<v Speaker 12>that the truth is like something that we just don't know.

1671
01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:20.439
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean personally, I think the universe is feminine.

1672
01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:23.119
<v Speaker 9>I think the cosmos is feminine, you know, And so

1673
01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:26.640
<v Speaker 9>even Virgo. Virgo is the queen of heaven, but then

1674
01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:29.000
<v Speaker 9>also the queen of Earth. So it's like Virgo is

1675
01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:32.439
<v Speaker 9>above and also below. And to me, the way I

1676
01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:34.800
<v Speaker 9>look at it, and maybe I've been way too influenced

1677
01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:37.920
<v Speaker 9>from like the Gnostic creation story or something like that,

1678
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:40.079
<v Speaker 9>which there's a lot of parts of modern narcissism I

1679
01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:44.319
<v Speaker 9>don't really care for. But the idea that Sophia basically

1680
01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:47.520
<v Speaker 9>had this inner light that she created or birthed on

1681
01:42:47.640 --> 01:42:51.119
<v Speaker 9>her own accord, so she the universe itself, is also

1682
01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:54.600
<v Speaker 9>a virgin mother. Basically, she has no equal, there was

1683
01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:59.560
<v Speaker 9>no partner, There was no masculine presence until the demiurge

1684
01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:03.920
<v Speaker 9>base was created right the sun. And so to me

1685
01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:06.000
<v Speaker 9>that makes all of the sense in the world. It

1686
01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:10.479
<v Speaker 9>also makes sense that men are basically masculine women pretty much,

1687
01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:15.520
<v Speaker 9>and that the ovaries descend into testicles, right, and so

1688
01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:19.880
<v Speaker 9>every embryo starts off as feminine female and then turns

1689
01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:23.159
<v Speaker 9>into a male basically. So it's like the way I

1690
01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:26.600
<v Speaker 9>put it is, we do live in a man's world

1691
01:43:27.239 --> 01:43:30.760
<v Speaker 9>with the caveat that it exists within a feminine universe.

1692
01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:31.640
<v Speaker 7>That's the deal.

1693
01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think the feminine wouldn't always be the path

1694
01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:39.359
<v Speaker 3>of parthen in genesis because of its plasticity. Oh yeah,

1695
01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:42.000
<v Speaker 3>if you look at all the different species that have

1696
01:43:42.199 --> 01:43:45.720
<v Speaker 3>parthenin genesis, it always comes through the female. It's not

1697
01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:50.119
<v Speaker 3>coming through the male, and it is not meant.

1698
01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:52.640
<v Speaker 13>I mean, I hope nobody gets that offended about that,

1699
01:43:52.840 --> 01:43:55.479
<v Speaker 13>you know, like they were all inherently female. It's just

1700
01:43:55.560 --> 01:44:00.560
<v Speaker 13>if you think of it an evolutionary terms, it's easier

1701
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:07.479
<v Speaker 13>to defeminize the brain versus already have everything there. So

1702
01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:11.079
<v Speaker 13>you have the entire brain that is such a complex

1703
01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:14.680
<v Speaker 13>and so many different indocrine organs are going to have

1704
01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:17.760
<v Speaker 13>to talk to each other throughout months and throughout whatever.

1705
01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:22.279
<v Speaker 13>It's easier to just turn off the lights versus create

1706
01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:25.479
<v Speaker 13>all of this. And so that's I think that's what happens.

1707
01:44:25.640 --> 01:44:29.800
<v Speaker 13>Evolution is always taken the path of least energy needed,

1708
01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:34.239
<v Speaker 13>and that's all that is, right, I mean, that's kind

1709
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:35.000
<v Speaker 13>of how I view it.

1710
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:38.439
<v Speaker 4>Well, And if you go back into the mysteries and

1711
01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:42.479
<v Speaker 4>the creation stories of the Egyptians and Sumerians, there's always

1712
01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:46.199
<v Speaker 4>this idea of the shadows swimming in the darkness, that

1713
01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:51.640
<v Speaker 4>is essentially that mother that you know, divine feminine force

1714
01:44:51.880 --> 01:44:56.000
<v Speaker 4>of you know what is possible and.

1715
01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:57.199
<v Speaker 7>Right, Yeah, totally.

1716
01:44:57.399 --> 01:44:59.840
<v Speaker 9>Even if you look at a strength card, I see

1717
01:44:59.880 --> 01:45:03.199
<v Speaker 9>the strength card is basically being it's showing you the

1718
01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:09.000
<v Speaker 9>relationship between two signs, Virgo and Leo. So that is

1719
01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:12.840
<v Speaker 9>Virgo taming her child. Basically you're looking at mother and child.

1720
01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:16.680
<v Speaker 9>Who's in control there, it's the woman, it's the feminine right.

1721
01:45:17.199 --> 01:45:20.359
<v Speaker 9>And so even when you look at some versions of Leo,

1722
01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:23.199
<v Speaker 9>which would be the sun, right, the only sign that

1723
01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:27.479
<v Speaker 9>actually is ruled by the sun, like in the Dendera zodiac,

1724
01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:30.199
<v Speaker 9>which I know that's like a Greek like the you

1725
01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:32.439
<v Speaker 9>know they took from the Greeks at that point in

1726
01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:35.800
<v Speaker 9>time and things like that. But Leo actually it's his

1727
01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:38.760
<v Speaker 9>tail is being held by a woman, and the little

1728
01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:41.680
<v Speaker 9>woman actually has a flail in her hand, so she

1729
01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.760
<v Speaker 9>is controlling the lion. This is just like another nod

1730
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:47.600
<v Speaker 9>to this whole entire relationship in my opinion of like

1731
01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:52.520
<v Speaker 9>who's really running the show? Who has to me more

1732
01:45:52.720 --> 01:45:56.119
<v Speaker 9>magical qualities to them? Men have to go out of

1733
01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:59.039
<v Speaker 9>their way to learn about the mysteries and tap into

1734
01:45:59.159 --> 01:46:01.640
<v Speaker 9>that side of them. So it's way more natural for

1735
01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:05.479
<v Speaker 9>women to be tapped into that, even just the mysteries themselves,

1736
01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:08.920
<v Speaker 9>which scorpio is a sign that's really related to the

1737
01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:12.720
<v Speaker 9>mysteries and initiation as well. Right, And so to me,

1738
01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:17.319
<v Speaker 9>the mysteries themselves, that is feminine, you know, it's not masculine, right,

1739
01:46:17.399 --> 01:46:21.199
<v Speaker 9>it's way more receptive and things like that, And to me,

1740
01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:23.800
<v Speaker 9>that's a beautiful thing. And a lot of these lodge

1741
01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:26.800
<v Speaker 9>systems and mystery schools and stuff like that, a lot

1742
01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:29.359
<v Speaker 9>of them it goes back to feminine goddess type stuff,

1743
01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:31.359
<v Speaker 9>you know, not necessarily the masculine.

1744
01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:31.920
<v Speaker 10>Right.

1745
01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:38.199
<v Speaker 4>In Rome, by the time Kybell had basically moved in

1746
01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:43.479
<v Speaker 4>from Phrygia, she became essentially taken as the mother of

1747
01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:47.079
<v Speaker 4>all the gods, and all of the mystery systems were

1748
01:46:47.159 --> 01:46:50.079
<v Speaker 4>incorporated under the Mother Kybelle.

1749
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Right, it's about the preservation of energy, and the receptacle

1750
01:46:55.960 --> 01:46:58.720
<v Speaker 3>nature of it is the preservation of energy. So on

1751
01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:03.359
<v Speaker 3>all these different levels, including spiritual, it's the preservation. It's

1752
01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:07.560
<v Speaker 3>the filling of the cup that takes on these essences.

1753
01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:11.279
<v Speaker 3>And so it would make sense to me that preservation

1754
01:47:11.399 --> 01:47:14.840
<v Speaker 3>of energy would be a feminine aspect. Again, it's like

1755
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:19.000
<v Speaker 3>the net is set and then all the rest of

1756
01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:22.520
<v Speaker 3>the energy flies into it. They don't have to go out,

1757
01:47:22.680 --> 01:47:25.319
<v Speaker 3>they don't have to. Men waste a lot of energy.

1758
01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:28.800
<v Speaker 3>We are the number one energy wasters in the universe.

1759
01:47:29.560 --> 01:47:33.239
<v Speaker 3>But you know, again that's necessary for expansion. At the

1760
01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:37.399
<v Speaker 3>same time, we've got the inclusionary force. If you look

1761
01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:41.439
<v Speaker 3>up the water Wizard, right, the guy who was working

1762
01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:45.119
<v Speaker 3>on the Nazi bell. Somebody helped me out here. He's

1763
01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:50.720
<v Speaker 3>talking about the implosive force versus the explosive force. Implosive

1764
01:47:50.800 --> 01:47:53.279
<v Speaker 3>force would be the feminine energy. It would be like

1765
01:47:53.399 --> 01:47:59.159
<v Speaker 3>the FI energy moving inward versus the explosive force, which

1766
01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:02.760
<v Speaker 3>would be the mask energy, which would be wasting all

1767
01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:07.239
<v Speaker 3>of that radiation into the universe instead of preserving it.

1768
01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:11.680
<v Speaker 9>Right dude, yeah, exactly. It reminds me of what I

1769
01:48:11.800 --> 01:48:15.760
<v Speaker 9>learned about involution versus evolution in school. We're always just

1770
01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:18.720
<v Speaker 9>taught about evolution. We're not taught about involution.

1771
01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:19.079
<v Speaker 1>And what that is.

1772
01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:22.520
<v Speaker 9>The case could be made, in my opinion, that the

1773
01:48:22.680 --> 01:48:27.079
<v Speaker 9>universe actually is involved, meaning that it receded unto itself.

1774
01:48:27.159 --> 01:48:30.720
<v Speaker 9>It receded into itself, which is actually way more Saturnian.

1775
01:48:31.239 --> 01:48:34.960
<v Speaker 9>Oftentimes people refer to the Saturnian as being more restrictive

1776
01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:38.319
<v Speaker 9>or contractive, which is more polar once again versus the

1777
01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:43.840
<v Speaker 9>Jubiterarian expansion, projective, masculine. Right, and so it's possible that

1778
01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:47.640
<v Speaker 9>whatever we're living within it, actually we're within it basically,

1779
01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:52.319
<v Speaker 9>and then within that there's room to actually have expansion, right.

1780
01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:55.640
<v Speaker 12>I will just I can't believe I'm going to be

1781
01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:58.359
<v Speaker 12>the one to say this, but I'm going to. I

1782
01:48:58.439 --> 01:49:02.479
<v Speaker 12>think there's a dude's rock sort of angle that even

1783
01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:05.520
<v Speaker 12>I don't think anyone's denigrating men, but I just think

1784
01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:08.520
<v Speaker 12>that there is something interesting if you look at the

1785
01:49:09.279 --> 01:49:12.880
<v Speaker 12>original suffraettes Ra and some of the Shrevigia texts, and

1786
01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:16.800
<v Speaker 12>also some of the College Troker teachings, that the rectification

1787
01:49:17.239 --> 01:49:20.319
<v Speaker 12>of the what I call the daughter, but obviously we

1788
01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:22.479
<v Speaker 12>can call her also the mother. I think it's interesting

1789
01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:26.319
<v Speaker 12>if you call her a virgin mother, it requires the son,

1790
01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:30.199
<v Speaker 12>and it also requires the father. Even in many Gnostic

1791
01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:33.960
<v Speaker 12>texts and even in hypothesis, and even in the Epinoia

1792
01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:37.439
<v Speaker 12>of Nurea, it said that she contains the mind of

1793
01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:40.920
<v Speaker 12>the father and the love of the mother or the

1794
01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:44.880
<v Speaker 12>heart of them, so it but it also requires the son.

1795
01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:48.159
<v Speaker 12>So it's like it's a dialectical synthesis. Is a perfection

1796
01:49:48.359 --> 01:49:51.920
<v Speaker 12>you could say, like a thurgical perfection. It's not. It's

1797
01:49:52.079 --> 01:49:54.159
<v Speaker 12>nondual in the sense that I think that that's the

1798
01:49:54.279 --> 01:49:58.640
<v Speaker 12>better a personal approach to it is to approach it mondually,

1799
01:49:58.840 --> 01:50:00.800
<v Speaker 12>because I think that there's something more interesting about that,

1800
01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:04.520
<v Speaker 12>rather than fixing it into view saying like oh, hard masculine,

1801
01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:07.720
<v Speaker 12>hard feminine, and this is and the two things will

1802
01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:10.600
<v Speaker 12>you know never be one, instead of saying it's like

1803
01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:15.359
<v Speaker 12>a hermaphroditic, I think it's actually complementary rather than a polarity.

1804
01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, from my perspective, I would I would add

1805
01:50:20.800 --> 01:50:27.119
<v Speaker 3>that the feminine is far more utilitarian, which means far colder. Right,

1806
01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:32.039
<v Speaker 3>You don't get that expansiveness. It closes itself off from

1807
01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:39.520
<v Speaker 3>the outside, so it is it's not necessarily a purely preservational.

1808
01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:44.159
<v Speaker 3>It cuts off what is unnecessary. It's a utilitarian So

1809
01:50:44.439 --> 01:50:48.920
<v Speaker 3>that is kind of the downfall of that motherly energy

1810
01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:53.159
<v Speaker 3>or that spiral inward is it is very cold. That's

1811
01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:56.039
<v Speaker 3>where you get the dark mother coming out of Well,

1812
01:50:56.359 --> 01:50:57.439
<v Speaker 3>there's that angle list too.

1813
01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:00.279
<v Speaker 12>I'll just say that list that of a you know,

1814
01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:03.920
<v Speaker 12>a flower can ride the dragon, so I'll just say that,

1815
01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:06.960
<v Speaker 12>so there is an expansive element that the mother can

1816
01:51:07.039 --> 01:51:07.399
<v Speaker 12>take on.

1817
01:51:09.319 --> 01:51:13.039
<v Speaker 13>To kind of go based on Jen had me thinking

1818
01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:15.960
<v Speaker 13>about this in that So just to kind of go

1819
01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:21.199
<v Speaker 13>back a little bit, when you fertilize an egg, all

1820
01:51:21.359 --> 01:51:26.720
<v Speaker 13>eggs of all females are X all of them there.

1821
01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:29.439
<v Speaker 13>None of them are hy and so you already start

1822
01:51:29.479 --> 01:51:35.039
<v Speaker 13>with the basis of a female embryo, right, and so

1823
01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:40.039
<v Speaker 13>when you have parthogenesis, you're not getting any hybrid vigor,

1824
01:51:40.399 --> 01:51:44.600
<v Speaker 13>you're not getting any polymorphisms, you're not getting any genetic drifts,

1825
01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:47.680
<v Speaker 13>you're not getting any kind of variation in genetics, and

1826
01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:52.119
<v Speaker 13>so you are not essentially moving the species forward. If anything,

1827
01:51:52.159 --> 01:51:57.319
<v Speaker 13>you were holding them still because any kind of parthogenesis

1828
01:51:57.600 --> 01:51:59.920
<v Speaker 13>is a clone of the mother. There is no very

1829
01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:05.359
<v Speaker 13>there is no additional half contribution from the father or

1830
01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:09.399
<v Speaker 13>from the son. You're basically kind of like, Okay, well,

1831
01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:12.600
<v Speaker 13>you know, no one came around. I never had a suitor.

1832
01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.319
<v Speaker 13>We didn't you know, made I didn't find one. But

1833
01:52:15.359 --> 01:52:18.359
<v Speaker 13>I'm going to put forth clones of myself to at

1834
01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:22.880
<v Speaker 13>least propagate enough. Hopefully out there they themselves can find

1835
01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:26.319
<v Speaker 13>a son or a father or a male and so

1836
01:52:26.439 --> 01:52:29.000
<v Speaker 13>that's all that is. It's not like, oh, we don't

1837
01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:30.880
<v Speaker 13>need men. That that has nothing to do with it.

1838
01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:36.560
<v Speaker 13>If anything, life itself and nature itself requires the duality

1839
01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:42.920
<v Speaker 13>for propagation and what's it called preservation of the species itself.

1840
01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:47.720
<v Speaker 3>The ultimate power in the universe is the pause button,

1841
01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:52.319
<v Speaker 3>because when you can pause and just stay in stasis,

1842
01:52:53.199 --> 01:52:57.399
<v Speaker 3>then you can flourish again once that masculine energy has

1843
01:52:57.560 --> 01:53:02.640
<v Speaker 3>returned to the system, right, And so that that parthen

1844
01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:06.479
<v Speaker 3>in genesis female energy is the pause button. This is

1845
01:53:06.640 --> 01:53:11.079
<v Speaker 3>the survival mechanism. It cuts away all that is unnecessary.

1846
01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:15.640
<v Speaker 3>It cuts away all that is joy and purity and

1847
01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:21.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, expansive and loving all this stuff outside. It

1848
01:53:21.520 --> 01:53:24.239
<v Speaker 3>says pause. And if you think about it, think about

1849
01:53:24.319 --> 01:53:27.800
<v Speaker 3>UFO experiences. When you're looking at the UFO, what do

1850
01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:32.079
<v Speaker 3>they hit the pause button? You don't get to move,

1851
01:53:32.640 --> 01:53:36.439
<v Speaker 3>You're stuck in that stasis layer and then whatever happens

1852
01:53:36.479 --> 01:53:39.439
<v Speaker 3>they call it lost time. Right, you know there is

1853
01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:42.560
<v Speaker 3>that element there of lost time when it comes to

1854
01:53:42.640 --> 01:53:48.680
<v Speaker 3>parthen in Genesis and this female energy which you know

1855
01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:53.319
<v Speaker 3>it's communism, right, because communism thinks about hitting the pause.

1856
01:53:53.399 --> 01:53:55.960
<v Speaker 3>But we need to stop it here here and no further,

1857
01:53:56.239 --> 01:53:58.920
<v Speaker 3>there's no more march of history. We will stop it here.

1858
01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:01.640
<v Speaker 3>This is the preservation of all energy. It's like, it

1859
01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:04.760
<v Speaker 3>doesn't work that way, people. You got to think outside

1860
01:54:04.840 --> 01:54:08.560
<v Speaker 3>of that because you need that male expansive to actually

1861
01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:13.000
<v Speaker 3>have the joy that comes along with that Jupiterian energy.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I actually think this could be a great

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<v Speaker 9>conversation to continue at another time. Yeah, gender symbolism, the

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<v Speaker 9>nature of what we're talking about, Jen, what you brought

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<v Speaker 9>to the table, duality, non duality, this trying sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 7>I always think of Mercury.

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<v Speaker 9>Mercury is like one of my favorite sort of like

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know's it's a planet and like the deities

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<v Speaker 9>associated with Mercury mean a lot to me, right, And

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<v Speaker 9>mercury obviously has this androgenous nature, but there's a triune

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<v Speaker 9>aspect even to that, right, And so yeah, exactly right,

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<v Speaker 9>And so there's a lot to chew on here with

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<v Speaker 9>this conversation, for sure. And this is something that I

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<v Speaker 9>would say even traditionally for me, I've struggled with the

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01:54:54.680 --> 01:54:56.920
<v Speaker 9>chicken or the egg sort of thing, you know, and

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<v Speaker 9>what came first?

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<v Speaker 7>What's more important or least important? Are they equal?

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<v Speaker 9>Is you know all this type of stuff Like it's

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<v Speaker 9>just like a continual sort of like conversation in my

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<v Speaker 9>mind basically because I see aspects of all of the

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<v Speaker 9>things that everyone's bringing up today.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, well we did talk about doing mercury eventually next,

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<v Speaker 8>so I mean we could we could work in that.

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<v Speaker 6>Aspect then maybe when we talk about that.

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<v Speaker 8>Unfortunately, due to Tom, I'm gonna have to wrap this

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<v Speaker 8>up in a few minutes at least I'm supposed to

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<v Speaker 8>be on another show actually right now. So was there

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<v Speaker 8>anything that anybody wanted to cover like real quick that

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<v Speaker 8>was like left out or that they wanted to say?

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<v Speaker 14>At the end, I have to correct something. I said

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<v Speaker 14>that the one hundred and nine was the seventeenth prime.

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<v Speaker 14>I got my stuff mixed up seven to numb. The

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<v Speaker 14>word seventeen equals one hundred and nine. Oh, it's just

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<v Speaker 14>not the seventeenth prime. But the word seventeen matches a scorpion.

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<v Speaker 14>And then one hundred and nine is the twenty ninth prime,

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<v Speaker 14>and twenty nine has this kind of plutonic and mood

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<v Speaker 14>kind of element.

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<v Speaker 10>To it, which we don't really have time to get into.

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<v Speaker 6>But anything else from anybody else.

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<v Speaker 12>I thought that was great ToJ I just want to

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<v Speaker 12>say that that's something really interesting. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 12>about that later.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing. I just want to say. Eight would be

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<v Speaker 3>cloth though, that would be the spinner, Thirteen would be Lachesis,

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<v Speaker 3>which would be the measurer the you know, the massive cycles.

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<v Speaker 3>Then seventeen would be atropos, which would be the cutter.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks going back into that scorpio energy, right.

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<v Speaker 7>Jin, nothing else to add, but this is a great time.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, hell yeah, helly Jin, Lisa, Robbie, you want to

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<v Speaker 8>add anything before we rep it it?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I just think it was a great conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh yeah, yeah, no, shut it off. Yeah, there's so

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<v Speaker 8>many things that I got. I'm just stuck in my head.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm still like stuck from like thirty minutes ago about shit.

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<v Speaker 4>So I said, I mean we could go more into

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<v Speaker 4>the octopus, the orthropod kind of the underworld, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, great, great subject.

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<v Speaker 6>Hell yeah yeah, hopefully I will say I love.

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<v Speaker 13>The redundancy throughout all cultures of all timelines. Yeah, two species, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 13>actually transcend time space.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 12>Welcome and thank you to all so much, and thank

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<v Speaker 12>you Nick for inviting me and letting me.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh definitely, Yeah, this was awesome. That's why I want

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<v Speaker 8>to get so many people together. I thought this was amazing.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you, Thank you all for really a great night

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<v Speaker 8>and a whole lot of information. And I hope you know,

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<v Speaker 8>the listeners, you should definitely get something out of this.

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<v Speaker 8>I hope you know I'll give you things to think about.

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<v Speaker 8>I definitely got a bunch of things to think about,

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<v Speaker 8>especially with like symbolism and taro and all sorts of stuff. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>uh so again, yeah, thank you all your everybody here

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<v Speaker 8>on the show. Their links will be in the bottom.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>That's the end of another Occult Rejects and thank you

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<v Speaker 8>everybody in the chat.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what's up. And until the next one, everybody be

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<v Speaker 6>well later

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<v Speaker 13>M
