Speaker 1: Last time because I rewatched our last conversation. I told
you about the Prahmit connection with the Mesoamerica, Egypt and Atlantis,
because according to Plato, in the middle of Atlantis there
was a hill and on that hill there was a
temple of Poseidon, and then of course the concentric rains
of water and land. And ten Stitlan, the Aztec capital
from the times of conquistad also a very recent one
which they told that it was a model of their
previous land Atstland so Atlantis in Egypt and Greece, and
Atstland in Mesoamerica on the other side of the world.
And Teno Stitland was on a huge lake Texcoco in Mexico,
and it was, you know, a natural island connected with
smaller natural and artificial islands, everything connected by bridges. And
at the middle of that there was a pyramid called
Temple mayorso the Grand Temple. And we know how Mayan,
Aztec and other mess American premit looked like they are
often even not pyramids, but amounts well with such chapels
on top of that. And I think that it shows
us that this acident was Atlantis.
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They don't fear the questions, they fear the fun.
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second appearance. Our first conversation we got into Atlantis, lost civilizations,
things like that. It was a great, great conversation. So
I'm excited to have this man back. But I like
to welcome back to the show, Alexander. What's going on? Brother?
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on again. I really really enjoy
to the last one, so I'm looking forward to this one.
And hello everyone listening to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and see, some people are just naturally gifted and
look as handsome as Alexander does. And just a blue polo.
Alexander doesn't need one of these shirts, but you min.
Speaker 1: It's you know, just the camera, the camera making everything
more beautiful.
Speaker 2: Well have you been, I know what you're always studying.
You're going to college, you wanted, big brain guys. How's
everything across the pond?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm right now finishing exams for this year. I
just you know, past like Ancient Rome, Greece, part of
Middle Ages right now, the second part of the Middle
Ages coming next week. Lots of stuff going on. I'm
also officially joining Paul Anthony Wallace this autumn on his
journey on his expedition, so I'm looking forward to it.
I also, I have so many ideas I need to
come back to make some YouTube videos myself myself for
my own channel, and also Atlantis Bros. Podcast with my
friend historian Michael Flm. So lots of the things going on.
I'm even thinking of, you know, I have ideas for
maybe next book coming, maybe this for next year, something
like that. So lots of stuff going on.
Speaker 2: As you said, Oh yeah, man, Well, I want to
ask you this before we get into the introduction, because
I do I don't want to assume anybody knows who
you are. Maybe missed our last episode. I definitely want
to get a proper introduction to who you are or
what you do but you can't tease me like that
a fellow author and mentioned another book without giving me
a little bit of insight info or at least me
trying to pry it out of you. Your next book.
You got to what kind of ideas you got going
on for this next book or is it closed? Lip?
Speaker 1: Yes, Unfortunately, I have like tons of ideas and at
some point, even a few years ago, like I had
planned like six book with six books, with everything literally
planned step by step just right, and so I have
plenty of ideas, and unfortunately I know which one will
be the first the next one, because I don't know
which one I will write the first in order. But
I am planning maybe for the next year or maybe
a little bit more into the future, like a very
very big book about lost history, lost civilizations, altogether connecting
like all the dots. Because already my first book, Deja Book,
had saving already been. It's like a pretty decent book.
But when it comes to this idea for a big
book about loss civilizations, lost history, I want to connect
like all of different theories, all of different dots, analyze
than very heavily someone thinking of like a big one
when it comes to lost history, loss civilizations, different kinds
of theories, history, science, cataclysts, et cetera. Like a big,
big one connecting most of the research available nowadays and
you know, analyzing even critically some of it, and you know,
giving both sides of the coin and seeing which route
when it comes to this loss of civilization research can
be the future route for everyone in the future. So
like a big, big project, But I don't know if
it will be the first one or the next one
would be something different, because I have even so many
things written down, like just maybe brushed them up a
little bit, and there will be I think, pretty good reads.
Speaker 2: Well, man, that sounds exciting. I guess you know, one
author to the other, and I'm just like you. I
have so many rabbit holes and notes and things going on.
It's kind of hard to focus me personally. I was
studying for a show and bumped into some exciting material,
and like you, I had some other stuff that I
wanted to write about. But when I found that, I
was like, now that excites me. That's going to be
the next one. So that kind of sent me off, man,
So I had to pick your brain from one author
to the other. But man, Xander just anybody that maybe
had missed our first show or or is not familiar
with you, and I just thought that them their art
looked really cool and they wanted to check in on
this episode. Before we get into the meat of the matter, man,
just introduce yourself. Just cand of give lots and opsis.
You know who you are, what you do, background and
that sort of thing where they can find you, your
YouTube channel and websites and stuff.
Speaker 1: My name is Alexander Tskevich and I'm a Polish researcher
and author. My first book is Deja Vu Has Everything
Already Been? And you can find it on most amazons
like US, Canada, UK, Australia, and I think that the
easiest way to find me just copy and paste my
name and surname Alexander Tshkevich into some social media like YouTube,
Facebook and wherever you find me in English who can
follow me and you can check my other works or
other interviews on plenty of channels in English. I also have,
of course Polish social media. I started very early right now,
I'm also a history student. I'm twenty three years old.
But this book I wrote it initially in Polish just
at the age of seventeen and it's like a pretty
pretty big book, like our medium sized book, four hundred
something pages with footnotes, bibliography. I saw very early. I
was always a good student. I had plenty of competitions.
And the more I learned, the more I started questioning things,
the more questions I started to ask about, how do
we know that about our history? So I sat very
early and parallel to that route in research history learning.
I would say I had like spiritual awakening of some
sorts at least, you know, going into more and discovering
that there is much more to life than jazz, our
bodies and our physical reality. So I would say that's
my background.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very well researched man. And so if you've not
been introduced to him in my past interviews, you are
this time, and I'm sure you will see what a
smart dude this is. And he's just pleasant too, you
know what I mean. I love getting together talking with you, brother.
There's some people that can be kind of snooty, you know,
with their all knowing knowledge. But you're not one of those, man.
Speaker 1: No. I always when people, for instance, in such interviews,
ask me about what's my opinion on this, on that
or what is that. I always tell them, like most
of the possibilities I research, because I'm not claiming that
they know the entirety, entire truth about lost history, lost civilizations, metaphysics.
I show we're often both sides of the coin. I
don't claim. The more I actually learn, the more I
see how little I know and how little we as
humans know about reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the more I study, the more I realize
what I don't know, and I walk away with more
questions and I have answers. But that excites me. Man,
I like to treasure hunt, so to speak. Yes, well, man,
I know we are talking on social media back and forth.
You've got a shmortgage borg of topics that we could
dive into. Some of the things that you had mentioned
is right up my alley, in my listener's alley, and
some of the things that you had sent me they
kind of intermingle anyway, So I was like, Man, let's
just have us a conversation and we'll see where this goes.
But one of the things on your list that definitely
grabs my attention is megalists, so like the pyramids and
stone Hens, and you talked about, you know, some cyclicalar
time and the equinoxes, all the you know, the astronomy,
all that stuff fascinates me. Man, what about you. I
know that stuff fascinates you, but kind of was that
something that you found at a young age or something
you've recently come into. How did you find your love
for ancient megaliths.
Speaker 1: I always loved stones, rocks, minerals, gemstones and stuff like that.
I even have a small collection I can show people
in a minute, I think it will be we'll be
able to see that. So I always liked stones when
I was a kid. I always use bigger ones, and
I tried each stone, you know, bound and how it
will look like inside of it. So I was very
into that, collecting gemstones, having books about the geology and
stuff like that. But when it comes to the megaliths,
of course, I think they are one of the biggest
and best evidence for some kind of lost history connected
to Atlante's and to other civilizations. Because last time we
extensively talked about Atlantis. But another thing that I learned
recently during my studies at the university in the last
few months is that we talked about you know, Solon
because it was so long we've heard the story of
Atlantis according to Plato. But the's interesting is it wasn't
only Solon who probably or most probably traveled to Egypt,
but lots of ancient, very early philosophers, pre Socratic philosophers,
who were traveling to Egypt. We know that very well.
There are also plenty of sources talking that Selon probably
also went to Egypt. So just to you know, connect
what we were talking about that there is a huge
possibility that this part of the Atlantic story about Solon
hearing this Atlantic story in size in the Egyptian city
from priests is like very very real stuff, the same
even Plato. But these are just legends, but historical of
course legends. We do not know if they are one
hundred percent truth bad they say that Plato also went
to Egypt. So it was a casual thing that people
were traveling at that time from Greece to Egypt. People
who didn't need to work, who were like of the
upper class, were just you know, bored and they were traveling.
But how it is connected to Egypt. What I also
learned very recently about the Megalists is, for instance, the
Greek Cyclopean walls, which are almost the same as the
famous Peruvian Saxieuaman or the stones, the Megalthic walls in
on the Easter Island or in Egypt, that the Cyclopean walls.
According to the Greeks. Modern historians tell you that, oh,
these were from like before the Greek civilization, the early
Greek civilization, like the Miking or Miniu and civilization. So
they say this is how these walls appeared. But actually
the Greeks themselves were telling us, and there are plenty
of stories about these walls, that they were made before
human civilization by cyclops, so before the Greeks. So the
Greeks claimed that these walls aren't this And I think
that if they were the builders of such huge megalethic
Cyclopean walls, polygonal, huge walls with it's very similar stuff
to the saxe Ikuama and Machu picture walls plenty in
the Pervian regions we find the famous Megalitic walls. But
if they were the builders of these walls, the Greeks,
I think they would be proud of them. They wouldn't say, oh,
these are some people or cyclopes before us. And I
think that such megalitic architecture, I call it the global
Megaldic architecture. And there are a few things that are
everywhere in the world, like from Asia for east, through
the Mediterranean Sea, Greece, Italy, Egypt, and far far away
to the west the peran the Peruvian and Andean mountain ranges.
And then you see Easter Island, for example, and a
few other islands on the Pacific Ocean. I think these
are the remnants of the lost civilization we are searching for,
whether it was Atlantis or another kind of civilized that
was before the first civilizations we know, like ancient Summer Egypt, India.
I think this is like the evidence for them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, I'm one hundred percent. I was
kind of answering my next question I was going to
ask you because which I always thought they were fascinating,
even as a kid, you know, looking at the Pyramids,
I'm like, how in the world did these ancient people
build something like this? And you hear about the hanging
gardens of Babylon, you know, and all these other things.
It's like, how, you know, we depict these people as
hunter gatherers and not so intelligent, and here comes along
Graham Hancock, you know, and Hancock blew my mind, man
I already kind of had some preconceived notions, but nothing
to pin it down as fact or to point to
Man he pointed to a lot of cool and interesting
things that suggested that these sites are a lot older
than what we thought. And actually astronomy comes into play
with that.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe let's still be in this world of prehistoric
probably megalotic architecture, you see, I think the best of
course the case that can show us how they look
like is the Saxigua and Peru or any other kind
in Peru and in the and there are plenty of
such megalotic walls. What they are distinguishable from others is
that they are built from huge blocks at least few
tones each, some of course smaller, but some even bigger
up to thirty seventy tones. And they are polygonal. Also,
there are plenty of angles. It isn't like casual rocks
or let's say, squares or wregged angles or circles. Now,
these are polygonal wall which are fit so perfectly together
that you cannot put like a knife in between them.
And they are not using in most of these cases
any kind of stuff put in between them, So no
like cement or any other kind of things like that.
So they're just you know, merged together so perfectly, which
is under question why do that. For instance, in some
other cases of the walls all over the world, we
see that people put like smaller stones or some kind
of mud or some kind of sand in between the
rocks to make them fit. But these are perfectly fit,
and we see exact same ones in on Easter Island,
we see exact same ones. I often have fun with
doing interviews that I claim that if you show me
like two pictures, one from let's say Egyptian, because we
also have such megalothic walls, for instance on the foundations
of the third smallest permit in Giza, the man Kaara one,
but also in Osion near the Pera, which is like
a temple that is underground, and it is like exactly
the same, built from huge megothic blocks, fit tightly together
without any kind of things in between them, just as
in Peru and on plenty of other cases. And I
always joke that if you took like a picture from
Egypt and from Peru, even myself, or Graham Hancock probably
or most of the researchers and experts wouldn't be able
to tell the difference apart between Egypt and Peru if you,
let's say, took the U the colors of because okay,
maybe colors are of course different, but if you took
the colors off, I think no one could notice the
difference between them. And you see that they are built
with the same like techniques because they are polygonal, fit
together without anything in between. They also have specific knobs,
so things outside of them. You know, scientists say that
it was for attaching the rope to it to pull it,
and maybe to some extent, but maybe not. Of course
I'm not like a big fan of it. But these
knobs can also be found in place plenty of places
on the entire planet. Another thing, maybe these were knobs
on the outsides, but also Protrusians in these mega lips
that may be able to put some kind of clamps
to them so they could connect each other two blocks.
We also find them in plenty of places all over
the world, from the for Asia to the Eastern Island
and South America's I'm repeating myself and repeating, but they
are in all of those places exactly almost the same.
There of course, are from different kinds of stones because
they always used local stones. It isn't that they were
pulling the stones the entire world over, because it would
be stupid, of course. And I think it's connected to
Atlantis because even Plato is telling us that Atlantis was
a maritime civilization somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean. Bad it
had to influences over Italy, Greece, and Egypt was its colony.
I also think that it's connected to For instance, we
are talking about Graham Honkok. Graham Honkok is one of
the biggest people out there who talked about anomalous maps.
But not only these that show probably Antarctica or something,
but just maps that are showing as pre Ice age,
so before the last Ice Age, so during probably the
Atlantean times. Coastlines islands that are missing right now because
they're underwater because there was a sea level change of
about one hundred and twenty meters so four hundred feet,
and even geologists are calculating that all over the world
they were sank about twenty five million square kilometers, so
about the size of the entire North America with Mexico Canada,
not just the US, but entire North America all over
the world since the end of the last Ice Age.
So I think it's all connected. That's why I think
these people of Atlantis or any kind of lost civilizations.
Maybe it wasn't cult like that, or maybe it was
a limbouria or something move We do not know exactly,
but I think that it was a civilization that mapped
the entire world, build the mega lips and left traces
of the travels on these animals maps.
Speaker 2: M Oh yeah, I'm with you. And it kind of
goes with even not so ancient history. You know, here
in North America, a lot of the indigenous tribes when
they were confronted with the mounds and new Ark and
some of these you know, really big earthworks and mounds,
they were like, ah, no, we found them, and so
they thought they were special. So they just kind of,
you know, took up around them and started doing their
practices and rituals there and adding to it and kind
of keeping the grounds up.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: That was something that I honestly had thought for a
long time, that we are a species with amnesias. He
likes to say, we are a lot older than what
people will like to think. And these are kind of
like echoes or remnants of that of that lost world.
Uh and me, I worked in plastics for a long
time and something that I always thought was from here,
and I actually heard somebody else say this too, But
it kind of looks like in my injection molding, because
you have a dye, you know, for the shape you're
trying to get, and you you liquify this plastic and
it squirts to this nozzle and into that dye, and
it's got this heated head that it squirts out of.
And then once it squirts and inserts that material it
it retracts and pulls back, and when it does, it
always makes a nipple, and like they liquified it, you know,
and done some kind of.
Speaker 1: Enet this outsight of them. Yeah, yeah, actually I never
thought of that. So this is a great analogy, and
maybe that's why you see these knobs. But there were theories,
for instance, about the Great part of Giza being made
out of artificial stones, just as you've said, just as
plastics are being you know, poured, so maybe the same
way the Great part of Giza, and you know, he
was partially debunked, but only partially. So maybe you know,
some rocks were natural and some were not maybe that's
the case, or maybe it's you know, a completely different one.
But I think it's a great analogy because you know,
with natural stones, why would you know, care so much
about making them fit together perfectly, having you know, multiple angles,
multiple sides, it's like even eleven eight to some extent,
So you know, why do that. But if you are
talking about something being poured into, maybe that's why they
fit together with you know, all of the concavities and
stuff like that. So I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe they even found a way to take
the stone and liquify it, you know what I mean,
instead of being formed, Yeah, so where they could make
it pliable.
Speaker 1: And there was one myth about that, one legend in
the proven region with all the famous megalodic sides that
you know, people said that there was like a plant
or a mixture of plants that enabled them to soften
the stone at least, you know, the sides of the
stones to some extent. Maybe we haven't found such technology yet.
What I also found is that some Russian scientists, and
you know, you never can, at least according to the
mainstream trust the Russian scientists. I think some things are
over exaggerated in this way of thinking. I think we
should look at everything critically, of course, but some Russian
scientists found that the stones, these proven walls were you know,
the heat was applied, but extreme heat, like couldn't do
that with just with some kind of fire or something
like extreme heat was applied to these stones, and some
people interpret that maybe some kind of softening method to
soften the stones, or maybe these are even the traces
of cataclysm. Because what's interesting is within all of these
megalothic sites, mainly in ants in Peru, we find, for instance,
there is a megalothic block of staircase upside down, like imagine,
I don't know, ten twenty thirty ton block on which
the staircase were engraved on, and then it's completely upside down.
So whether it was a cataclysm, whether it was just vandalism,
but you know why you would put so much work,
You would need probably hundreds of people to take this
rock and put it upside down. So these are still
the questions that we cannot truly answer. Was it the cataclysm,
was it a stone softening method. I also you've mentioned
that the Native Americans said that they found dismounts. The
same thing was for instance, we know that very well
in the medieval times, the Church was taking pagan and
Slavic for instance, places of rituals and sacred sites, and
building building chapels and building different kinds of buildings on
these sides. Of course, you know, one to control so
people cannot go to these sacred sides themselves. But also
that some of the people who were initially pagans, may, okay,
let's go to the church instead of instead to our
you know, sacred space. Let's go to the church. Maybe
it's you know, also on this sacred land, so maybe
it also has all these powers. So that's how the
conversion worked, because it wasn't like suddenly everyone became Christian.
But even for hundreds of years, the paganism was there.
Even some of the hearing Poland for plenty of examples,
some of the festivals Christian festivals were just you know,
put on the days in which there were pagan festivals.
So the same with different kinds of sacred spaces, sacred
megalodics sites, and when we have a few of them
here in Eastern Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of the research I was doing for
that book that I'm working on was talking about you know,
ancient Europe and Ireland, and this author, his name was
Edward de vere Uh. He talked about the original church.
You know, term was pulled from I think he said
it was the word kirk. He said, when they were saying,
you know, let's go to the kirk, you know, let's
go to the church, that it was actually originally referring
to the stones, you know, so instead of saying let's
go to the church, you know, let's go to the stones,
talking about the stone.
Speaker 1: Circles and like, yes, that's I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, taking their sides and kind of reappropriating them and
also kind of like a term in the eye, you know,
like you know, now we want we're going to be
on our side on top of year old one, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like domination also, you know, let's dominate them. Let's
you know, make these sides unholy to them because right
now our religion took them. Yes. I also learned recently
when I was studying the medieval times, for instance, the
the Scottish and the Irish charge, how it was formed.
It was one of the earliest you know charges to
form and to completely dominate the pagan regions, because no
entire island and Scottish regions were pagan to a large extent.
And what they did they actually led all of the
previous kind of hierarchy of it was like the family
clans and stuff like that. They allowed that and they
actually got lots of the beliefs or like symbols like
the shamrock is the most famous one, and they made
them just Christian and that's why. Also they were alto
a bit in later times criticized that they did that,
but in that way, they very easily and very fast,
very quickly christianized the entire ireland especially. What's also interesting
is that during these times, you know, through Christian missionaries,
there are plenty of stories being made because you know,
when we look at the map, Ireland is like the
last stand of Europe. Maybe you have Iceland and then
you have Greenland and then you have only America. So
there were plenty of even by the Saints, maybe not
Saint Patrick, but Signed Bernard I think he was called
like that, who you know, created an entire piece is
a story about Los Islands like Atlante's on the west side.
So it's also like a very interesting, very chaotic period
in history.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And with you and your study, do you
think that a lot of these were built around the
same time or are we looking at a large plethora
of several thousand years and this is just the remnants
of it. And with that, which do you think is
the oldest megalith.
Speaker 1: I think yes, I think when it comes to these
very similar megalithic walls that again Peru, Easter Island, Greece
and Egypt and far East, most of them can be
a little bit pretty historic because, for instance, the biggest
rocks are always at foundations, which is logical, of course,
we wouldn't place small stones and then the biggest ones
on top of small stones. Of course, we would use
the biggest ones as the foundations. But for instance, in Egypt,
these are used even underground. To some extent, the Assui
on the famous temple, which is fully built out of
these megalithic walls with the biggest blocks and ever found
find in Egypt, is completely underground, which according to some researchers,
and you know, I analyze that and I try, you know,
to some extent I agree with them, may show us
that the later Egyptian buildings were of course built in
much later times because there are right now above ground.
Some of course we're also put underground due to you know,
thousands of years of existence of the Egyptian state and
then you know, two thousand years since the fall of
ancient Egypt. But I think this shows us that if
these biggest megalithic walls are very very deep down underground,
it may show us that these are much older than
other buildings that are above that that are not created
out of such huge blocks. So I think it's a
prehistoric connected to Atlantis. But we cannot date stones. Of course,
we could only date gobecly Tape because it was buried
maybe intentionally as some people suggest, maybe not. But we
have the date when these blocks were buried because in
order to date something we probably need, for instance, organic
material for carbon fourteen dating, which is controversial, but you know,
we can obtain at least some reference when it comes
to the recent past, maybe not like thirty sixty seventy
thousand years old, we cannot do that. There are also
other methods, like we can we can date ceramics when
it was burned, but we cannot date like just megalists.
We can date organic material that can be found on them.
So we know the date when the gobacly tape was
buried because in you know, sand and in earth that
was the gobacle Tepe was covered with, we found organic material.
But maybe the site was much even older than that.
But when it comes to other megalists, we unfortunately cannot
date them well. But I think most of them were prehistoric,
coming from like approximately the times of Atlantis.
Speaker 2: And what about Graham's theory because to me it made
a lot of sense. But about the whole the sphinx,
you know, staring at the rising sun, you know, during
you know, ten, twelve thousand year era when the sun
was rising up in the constellation Leo. Uh and even
he's a professor at Boston remember shock shock. Yes, how
evenized that there was a second sphinx facing the opposite
direction to the west. Do you think that those sphinxes
and stuff were kind of like time stamps showing the people, Hey,
you know this was made during this time of the
age of Leo or what's your thoughts on his theory?
Speaker 1: Yes, it may be a Timeston But the biggest problem
is that we do not have any idea if the
ancients called this kind of constellation Leo, because okay, there
are different constellations rising it's an objective truth, but how
we divide all of the constellations into the twelve famous
Zodac science is just you know, our own modern or
even ancient Greek let's say convention and later one. So
we do not know, and there aren't many evidence and
I searched a lot for that. There aren't many evidence
that ancients, ancients like before the Greeks, like the Egyptians
Submerians thought that this is a consolation of Leo. Particularly,
So this is the biggest problem because nowadays we call
it Leo, but maybe they call it differently. They even
may be not calling them because maybe they divided the
these stars in a completely different manner, and we see that,
for instance in divisions into thirty six. I think in
ancient Mesopotamias or deck science at some point at least
and I think in Egypt at some point it was
into twenty four. So how we divide the constellations is
just our convention. So I don't know if you know,
but I think it could be a timestam. But we
do not have evidence that they called such constellation Leo.
What I found that is connected to modern Zodec is,
for instance, mythology of these such epochs as we are
talking about, because we're talking about the age of Leo,
and how because why these different kinds of Zodex? Why
different ages? How we can calculate that it is based
on the procession of the equinoxies, so a casual astronomical
phenomenon which is completely objective, and with empirical science who
can calculate everything. So it isn't like some kind of
conspiracy theory or just a fantasy of New Age people
or something. Because just as our Earth is, according to
at least our current model, rotating around the sound. It
is all also rotating around its own axis, but it
also has a third axis, which is the Great year
Platonic year, as ancient Greeks call that a ancient Egyptians
of the late Egypt like Ptolemaic times, so basically Greeco
Egyptians call that it is another axis. And just as
we know that our Earth is, you know, circling itself
in twenty four hours, this another axis, the third one,
the precession of the equinoxs, lasts for twenty five thousand,
nine nine hundred and twenty years, so almost twenty six
thousand years. And what is interesting is that if we
divide this kind of cycle into twelve zodecs sign it
will mean that each epoch is about two thousand, one
hundred and sixty years. It is how many years it lasts.
In my book, that's why Desia Vuka serving already been
because eighty percent is about lost civilizations, lots history. But
this twenty percent is a twist of clickality cyclical history,
and at the end I provide examples of repeated history
during such cycles of time. So let's say during the
age of Aries, and doing next the other age, other
zotical age, so the next two thousand, one hundred sixty years,
and it is very exact to which I will come
back in a moment, but that's how these ages work.
So each two one hundred sixty is a new again
it is our convention, but a new Zeldack sign is
showing up on the horizon, especially during these spring equinox.
So each two one hundred and sixty is another sign,
but it goes the other way round to like casual horoscope,
purely signs of the zodiac. So let's say first there
is Starers, then there is Aries, then there is Spices,
then there's Aquarius, so it goes the other way round.
And I found, not like myself, but after also other
researchers that myths from lots of places all over the
world seems to have these common signs of the zodiac
and coded in them during different kinds of ages. So
first during let's say the early civilization, Harapamoenrodaro in the
Indus volley, so like three thousand BC, and even in
Egypt we had cold of the bull, so we can
say it was the age of Taurus and it fits
that during such times it was an age of Taurus.
Then we have the biblical like Abrahamic times, and we
know we can date them approximately one thousand something years
BC very well, and we see that during these times
it was a switch from ram from cows, so from
Taurus to the ares to like goats to sheep and
stuff like that. And then the other way around would
be approximately during the times of Jesus or after his times,
with the main symbol of Christianity the Pisces. So we
see this kind of route from the eag of Taurus
through the Age of Aris to the Age of Pieces.
And right now everyone is talking about the Age of Aquarius.
So I see that there are some ancient mentions about
similar zodic signs, but we probably never heard of Leo.
And I was very extensively searching for it because I
also wanted, you know, to know that, Okay, if this
is really Leo, then yes, these sphinx may be under
their timestem, just as in the myths. Here we've got
cold of the cows, then we've got the aries, and
then we've got pices. But I haven't found it.
Speaker 2: M we'll see. I wish I knew now because my
buddy Steve from the Big Bible podcast, we had done
a show. It's two or three years ago now it's
been a minute, but he had found I can't remember
what king's tomb it was or temple, but one of
those ancient sides over there. He said that they had
found an ancient zodiac painted I can't remember. He said
it was almost sick. Yes, I think he said it
started with Leo and that was like the oldest one
they could find.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it isn't like exactly Leo Leo. And it's
also divided into twenty four z O dex sign. I
don't remember. It's not Sakaran one. Yeah, I mentioned it
a few times, but recently I was learning so much
that I forgot the name. It was actually took to diversity, Yeah,
in France by I don't remember which, Ludvig King, but
he took it from Egypt. And you know it's right
now in France and it's late and.
Speaker 2: Wait, how I burned everything? You know, That's something I've
really been like with, you know, with me studying some
stuff and getting into you know, like the library at
Alexandria down in Peru. You know I'm a Christian, yes,
but it's great and burns every damn thing in your
kind of life. Like we are now having the discussions
wishing we knew, but we can't now because of their
actions back then.
Speaker 1: Yes, but actually recently I found an example, for instance,
that such burning of entire cities in Mesopotamia. I don't
remember exactly which kind of period led us to have
any kind of evidence for this period, because for many years,
imagine about ancient Mesopotamia, plenty of civilizations like Acadian submarine,
et cetera, we had almost no documents. We knew there
were some wars, but we had almost no sources literary
sources from this epoch. And then we found a cit
that was completely destroyed. It was burned down during some
kind of battle. And you know, in Mesopotamia they used
clay tablets, and when you burn clay tablets they become hard,
very very hard. So we actually found that because of
destruction of such a cit, these clay tablets God burned down,
and because of that we have plenty of texts from
this particular time period from this region that before we
almost had no evidence for any kind of events happening there.
So sometimes burning things down may be beneficial to history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even the the ancient contra what's the word I'm
looking for, conservationist. You know, fire destruction brings things back
greener and newer sometimes. But uh, man with the pyramids specifically,
you know, we have you know, stone circles, and we
have pyramids, and we have you know, all kinds of
different kinds of things mounds, but a lot of the
things that we find are you know, conical in shape
and uh. Doctor Michael Heiser, Derek Gilbert, people that I follow,
talks about how they believe that these were spiritual high places.
You know, that the gods reigned from mountains, so these
were basically you know, cosmic geography or man made mountains
to get to that high place to reach their gods.
And like we had mentioned, I thought it was fascinating
that you find these on every single continent. There's plenty
of them, even in China, but they keep them hidden
to this day because they want you know, they like
their exclusivity, you know, I mean, they like being left
alone and not have foreigners come in on their property
and things like that. What's your opinion on that? Do
you think that's that's where I'm looking for happenstance or
do you think there's something to this, like they were
traveling and sharing their knowledge and oh they got one
over here. We got to keep up with the Jones.
Is we got to have our own you know, high
place over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. A few things that I
thought of. I will start with if you wan't like
try to de bank any kind of similarities between the pyramids,
because in plenty of regions they look completely different. The
Egyptian ones like are straight tops. The Mesoamerican ones are
you know, like a pyramid and a rectangular chapel at
the top. In most cases or even in some cases
it isn't like a pyramid but a mound with a
temple on top of that. But when it comes to
the pyramids, I think it's also if we want to
start with the bankings and stuff like that, the easiest
shape if we want to build up, because the tower
is you know, very fragile building. It can collapse very easily.
So if we are let's say, truly imagine primitives, we
can build mounds. It's easier to go to the tops.
We can build let's say, the pyramids or the early pyramids,
step pyramits and stuff like that. So I see it
as a logical evolution, a step towards building high staff
because towers are very hard to build and to sustain
because they often can collapse. But it goes much further
beyond that. And last time, because I rewatched our last conversation,
I told you about the primed connection with the Mesoamerica, Egypt,
and Atlantis, because according to Plato, in the middle of
Atlantis there was a hill, and on that hill there
was a temple of Poseidon, and then of course the
concentric rains of water and land. And ten Stitlan, the
Aztec capital from the times of Conquistador, so a very
recent one which they told that it was a model
of their previous land, Atsland, so Atlantis in Egypt and Greece,
and Atsland in Mesoamerica on the other side of the world.
And Tenochtitland was on a huge lake Texcoco in Mexico,
and it was, you know, a natural island connected with
smaller natural and artificial islands, everything connected by bridges. And
at the middle of that there was a pyramid called
Templo mayorso the Grand Temple and we know how Mayan,
Aztec and other Mesoamerican pramit look like they are often
even not pyramids, but a mound with such chapels on
top of that. And I think that it shows us
that this Aslan was Atlantis, and you know, this kind
of pyramid was a metaphor of this primeval hill with
a temple of Poseidon on that. And in Egypt, it
also has a cosmological meaning because according to the Egyptian cosmology,
how the world was created was that there was an
infinite waters, infinite potential noon and the first thing that
appeared out of this infinity was the pyramid, was the
primeval mound. And most of the pyramids in Egypt were
actually models of this primeval mound. So we see here
plenty of connections. Yeah, and I think it is these
pyramids are not only in some cases, you know, some
smaller pyramids or some that are not very highly advancing
their construction. I think they were just natural buildings. Okay,
we want because as if said, we always want to
go up because you know, imagine again, let's say we
were primitive, et cetera. Imagine being a primitive and looking
at the night sky, you know right now we have.
Speaker 2: Poll I'm pretty primitive anyway, man, I don't have to
imagine too.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. I also though, are you right now we
live in a place that there isn't much light pollution,
and it's a game changer. Like the sky if there
are no clouds, it's amazing. So imagine you wanted to
go up the same with the Great Briant of Giza,
the biggest one and the most famous one, for instance,
had shafts that pointed to Orion. And in Egyptian mythology,
Orion was a kind of stargate, a place out of
the material world matrix, and Egyptians believe that part of
their soul, because it wasn't that jazz we have sold,
there was a but different parts of like metaphysical body,
just as you know modern esoteritists are telling there is
like astral body, etheric body, or something like that. Egyptians
believed similarly, but Egyptian believed. Egyptians believe that this part
of the soul after we die goes straight to the
Orion stars and through it it escapes the material world.
So it was like some kind of starget. Interestingly, some
of the Native Americans I don't remember exactly which tribes
also believed in that that our souls are going straight
to the Orion belt. So maybe you know, this is
the place where we exit when we die, or we
enter when we enter this world, who knows, But yes,
it was for such purposes. I also think that the
Great pyramit with such you know, capabilities, with such you know,
different kinds of resonance, because Premit is resonated with the Earth,
because it's modeled after at least half the Earth, because
you cannot have like full Earth because it was like
double sided permit. You know, we couldn't build it easily.
But I think it was maybe not for the dead
like journey of the soul after we die, but I
think it was for some kind of initiation, just as
in plenty of other ancient mystery school and modern even
I recently heard that School and Bones this like in
conspiracy theories. Is it's real, but in conspiracy theories it's
very famous organizations School and Bones. How they initiate people.
They have rituals and a coffin, so they put the
person who is going through the initiation into a coffin
and they close that and they do some rituals. And
I think that's why sarkofa guy in Egypt and the
Egyptian pyramits were empty, because it was used for such purposes.
And we know over well that people where they are
deprived of any kind of light, food, they go our
brains are going crazy because brains don't know if we
are dead or no. And even a few years ago
it was very very popular. There were like these retreats
who enabled you to have such experiences in controlled manners.
So they put you in some kind of closed rooms
with no light at such a bad there was a
camera to see if you're still alive, so it would
be safe for you. So if you were dying or something,
they would help you. But I think such things as
the permits were used for initiation. People say becoming gods.
There is one interpretation of the permits of totiqua Kan,
this word totiqua kan meaning places where humans become gods
or became gods in the past, something like that. So
plenty of different threads. Maybe you can comment, and we
can even continue because it goes much much deeper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I came here. If I read this somewhere,
probably did, but I heard someone say too that they
thought that that whole complex, you know, the the Sphinx
and the pyramids and all that was like a an
amusement park for enlightenment or initiations yea. And they had.
Speaker 1: Like astrall traveling playground, like astral Traveling pegund. I think
it was Manley Palmer Hall, author of this great book
The Teaching The Secret Teachings of All Ages. I know
if he exactly said what you said, but he similarly
thought about that. And recently guys from these underground Giza
radar penetration, like Filippo Beyond the Armando May they even
Joe Rogan Show talked about It was very funny to
me because they said that again pyramids, that Egyptologists are
to some extent right, but the premits were not for
the dead bodies, but for alive bodies to undergo such processes.
So it's again dejavo eying over nothing new under the sun.
These ideas are circulating throughout the ages. Ancient mystery schools
were using new death experience induced states to initiate people,
and it was said that you know, if you experience
new death experience, you are you have no fear of death,
and you are no longer materialists atheists, so you no
longer doubt that there is much more than your body,
that there is some kind of other world, and that's
how you change.
Speaker 2: In church, Yeah, they lose the mysteries. They said, you know,
to learn to live, you must practice the yard of dying.
And it kind of falls into the stuff I've been
studying for my book too, because I'm going into the
dragon court, you know, the ones that say that they
stem from the Ananachi and they have the divine right
to rule. They were made a sub human race and
they talk about that, but they talk about the grail maidens,
that it was a matriarchal society. The women made the
kings and it's through their their vaginal secretions and menstruation
flow that that was the nectar of the gods, you know,
and that's what gave them forethought and their power and
foresight to rule over the mud blood, so to speak. Uh,
I'm trying to think Meli, you see, and all of
her stories, their allegories for this and that. The like Atlantis,
you have a maze and in the center of the
maze is this black cube stone where the waters of
life flown and by drinking that you took the embrace
of the Maiden, which was death. But for the initiated,
the chosen were brought back to life. But so like
in the New Age, thought the death of the ego
and wescended into this new conscious state to be able
to rule over the people. And once I seen that,
I started seeing it throughout every culture. Man mythras, you know,
going to the caves and they go through these nine
initiations and come out death, resurrection, and rise again. You
see the Masons practicing it in their things because there
it's something that's like you said, nothing new under the sun.
It keeps getting repeated. So when this person, and it
might have been that book there by Manley P. Hall,
because I listened to that on audiobook a while back,
but I remember them saying that they thought that this
mound or pyramid complex was the same thing, and that's
why you see all the water erosion. Yeah it might
have been by flood, but they thought that they had
all that stuff trenched out, and that's why they find
those buried boats in the middle of the desert, because
they thought that they'd filled it with water. And just
like in their death cult, basically like when they died,
they got on this boat and they crossed the du
WoT the primorial waters, and had this encounter with you know,
Osirah and the other gods, and they weigh the heart
you know, as a failure and all these different things.
So that whole mythos of their journey, they made this
complex to physically do it before you die. It's like
a I don't know, maybe like a dress rehearsal for
the afterlife kind of. I thought that was fascinating to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's epic things for so many great information haven't
thought of some of that. But what's interesting you mentioned
this going again through the river of Doua et cetera.
I found, for instance, the famous Greek one is Haron,
you know, the one person who let you travel through
you know, in the Greek underworld, and you put like
one coin under the tongue of the person, you know,
the verst similar thing I found in NCI Mesopotamian legends
that also, you know, after you die, you need to
pay this kind of boat man who will take the
death through such a river. So I think it may
be something about just plenty of people who practice astro
travel or who experience near the experience or outer states
of consciousness. They ever often tell you similar things no
matter where they live, from, what backgrounds are, what they
believe in. So I think it might have like some
truth about the other side or something like that in
these stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also too, like well with this research that
I was doing, you know, they go all the way
back to the Ananachy and into Egypt, and they talk
about the word Christ. You know, as Christians, we see
that we think of Jesus Christ. But he was saying
that you know that means you know, Christos, it's an anointing.
And he actually done some like etymology type work and
drew it back to Soback and he said that this
is the whole dragon court that it goes back. You know,
you have the dragon imagery, the serpent imagery, but you
also have the crocodile imagery, so they're all kind of
serpentine reptilian type imagery. And they said that the original
dragon court of Egypt was based upon Sobek. The half
man have crocodile and to anoint their kings, basically to
Christ them, they would kill a crocodile and take the
fat of the crocodile and use that to pour on
their head or anoint their head to Christen the new ruler,
because they basically the way I understood it was, the
belief was is Sobec was the main man. So therefore
by putting, you know, pouring him on to someone else,
that's kind of like an embodiment or empowerment of Sobek himself.
So with that whole death cult, you know, ascension, you know,
playing out the whole death thing in real life life
kind of makes some sense. But at the same time,
it's like, how came it's not a crocodile out there,
you know, instead of a lion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very interesting. I never thought, like, never went
deep into that, but plenty of people see with this
imagery of crocodile reptilian staff with christ Christos, the idea
of celebro spinal fluid going up hitting the reptilian brain again,
which you know, this part of nervous system with our
spine and these most primitive parts in our brain, like
in the back of our heads, looks like a reptilian
like a reptile exactly, and then I don't know whether
it shuts down this primitive brain or maybe going to
pineal Gland. As some people suggest. There are plenty of
theories bad. You know, they explain that that's how you
attain this enlightenment, christ like state or something like that,
So there may be something bekind.
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Vor the Dragon legacy. You know, he basically just come
right out and called his family line and stuff a nephelom.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He said that they were a sub human race and
given special gifts from the gods to be overlords of humanity.
And he talked to kind of about that the pineal Gland,
and that he thought that the dragon courts were bigger.
And as I was reading that, I was like, was
that explained the elongated heads the ruling classes, you know,
extra big pineal Gland. Maybe that's that elongated's goal that
we see in Egyptian iconography. And some people's even argue
that the long haaird dresses covered the elongated head, you know,
but there's some cases that you don't have to guess,
like near for tidy and.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: Then, yes, they're all depicted without their head dress and
they have these elongated serpentine kind of heads, and then
they also have that snake coming out of it.
Speaker 1: Yes, they look like aliens, And you know, it's not
just like let's say, one single random depiction of them
in that way. I've been to Berlin Museum like there's
program and Nez Museum like they have all of the
Egyptian stuff there just before the pandemic. Right now it's closed, unfortunately.
But I've seen this in real life and it's not
like a single one picture of them looking like aliens.
They their children look like aliens. Everyone has elongated skulls,
they're like limbs are exactly like aliens, so very slim
and like very long, et cetera. They look very very strange.
They have like the strange body types. I don't see
any kind of resemblance of that in nature. Maybe the
alien movie pre data or something like that, but you
don't see such things in nature on which they could
you know, copy it and you know, create such a
you know, look of them. And then you see free
these sculptures of them, not only like engravings, but sculptures
of their heads, like entire family of Aknatin, because Anahanen
was the father, the Nefertiti I think was his his
I think daughter or wife something like that, but there
was an entire family of people exactly with the elongated
had you see them in three D and they you know,
you can imagine elongated head, you know, just elongated. But
it was like so it was like a different species
of humanoid being. It was so I would say, ideal,
like a different kind of species. You couldn't do that
with your own imagination, you know, just as depicting the ferry.
And why would you depict Phario's family in such a way.
These are the questions. So I was astonished when I've
seen them, especially the free D like hats, like it's
I have somewhere I can send you on your email.
I have photos from the musicism.
Speaker 2: It's because I think they got something to do with it, man,
Because I mean, I do I believe that that is
an ephylemic you know, stamp or guests you know, or
logo emblem, whatever you want to call it. Because everywhere
you find these elongated heads. No, granted there are some
that's from headbinding, but these are people trying to emanate
their ruling class, their gods, you know. Because there's some
of them that they found, which I got, I got
a replica over here. That's one of the ones from
Peru that they've proven was not from headbinding. You know,
that the sadrat sutras missing the eyes are twenty five
to thirty percent larger. Those little holes that you have
in your jaw and skull and stuff for the veins
and arteries to run through. They got an extra set
on the back for blood to form this elongated head,
you know. So it shows you that this was built
into their DNA. And they've actually found fetuses baby still
in the womb. Some Spanish explorers and stuff had found
and documented and drew in their journals and stuff, So
this is something that they're born with. But wherever you go,
you find these elongated skulls. Prue gets all the attention,
but you find them everywhere. But also everywhere you find
these elongated skulls, you find these pyramids. You find that
all this megalithic architecture, Cyclopean architecture, they go in lockstep together,
because I do I think that these were Nephelom in
a biblical tournament and they were the ones ruling over
the people and teaching them and civilizing them, showing them
all this technology and advanced stuff that the book Enoch
talks about, you know, the forbidden knowledge, Prometheus, you know
the fire, yeah, and kind there's too many things that
line up every single time to be coincidence in my opinion, Yes.
Speaker 1: I think similarly, and I am very often people are skeptical. No,
there were no giants, no other species. But right now
it's common conventional scientific knowledge. We know very well that
we as anatomically modern humans. I think it was between
eighty thousand to one hundred something thousand years ago, so
not that long ago. You know, there are plenty of
archaeological cultures fifty sixty thousand years ago, so anatomically modern humans,
our own species coexisted, just as in later times we
coexisted with Nanderthals. We know that they were a different
species is but you know, we can interbreed together, et cetera.
But at one point in our prehistoric times we coexisted
with at least five other home in it species, and
I think three of them were just found recently in
the last twenty years or so. So maybe at some
point we'll find that we co existed with twenty or
ten other species. And you know, from our modern perspective
right now, we see ourselves as the only species. Like
of humans, there are different, of course, races. You know,
it's maybe not good to talk about that, but we
see ourselves, Homo sapiens sapiens, as the only one. But
in the past there are plenty of different with similar capabilities,
distinguishable from just animals simultaneously living with us and with
each other with different kinds of traits. For instance, we
coexisted during these times of coexistence with five other home
minutes with Homoflores senses and Homofloores senses, where they were
coined the term hobbits because they were one meter tall,
even a little bit less, like up to one point
one meter tall, so like almost half a human. And
we coexisted with such hobbits. So I always tell people
if we coexisted with small people, maybe we also coexisted
with giants nepheline, however we want to call them, So
it's very possible the same. I was learning a lot
recently because in the first semesters we were having prehistory
and archaeology as classes, and I've learned a lot about
the different kind of home need species and how they
were initially found. And for instance, with many of such
home need species, we found only let's say free bodies,
ten bodies all over the world, spread or in a
single region, and very often they were not full, so
you know, not plenty of things survived to our times.
Maybe there were plenty of more hominy species. Maybe there
were plenty of more giants, not only the long jaded heads.
So even within the scientific realm, there plenty of possibilities
for nepheline, for giants, and maybe that's why they were
portrayed as that, and that's why we have all these
elongated schools. And maybe also for instance, in Egypt, modern
convention is because Farious, when in depicted like in battles
or with casual people, are much bigger than humans, and
modern Egyptologists interpret that, Okay, we need to portray Phario
as bigger because he's bigger in hierarchy, he's higher on
the ladder of hierarchy. But who knows if okay, it's
to some extent exaggerated because he's like free heights of
a human being serven more. But maybe they were really
bigger than cash, some of them at least, because we
have somebodies of Farious. Some were even you know, very small,
Some were like having no leg or one leg was
shortened than the other. They were very often deformed because
of you know, having within the same family blood line
and not having like people from outside of their bloodline
to procreate. But maybe some of them were really giants
if they were portrayed as that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think too, Uh. Like when you get
into the Bible, it talks about, you know, the great flood. Uh.
They said the windows of heaven were opened, you know,
but also the waters of the abyss burst forth.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I'm the type of person I know there's a
lot of people in my sphere that are straight literalists.
You know, when they talk about affirmment, you know that, No,
it's a glass dome. Uh. Some people, you know, Oh,
they're talking about the ozone layer, you know, this chemical
you know barrier or force field, uh, to block the
radiation from the sun and this sort of things. But uh,
I know one thing is like something changed. And we
know from entropy that nothing gets better. It only decreases,
you know, and gets worse and gets broken down over time.
So I think the DNA strand is is no different. Uh.
And like they've done experiments, They've put like different plants
and animals and like pressurized systems, you know, and condensed
oxygen made it a lot more rich. And they grow
a lot bigger, and they live longer, they're healthier. Some
people have even speculated that even if they were to
take this DNA splicing, you know how they made the
dire wolf, you know, and all this other kind of
stuff and they're trying to do the wooly mammoth now,
that even if they did, you know, do some Jurassic
Park stuff and make some dinosaurs that they couldn't even
breathe in our atmosphere today, that so you'd create it
for only die because it, you know, could we couldn't breathe.
So I'm like, well, maybe that even with our science
we can see, you know, in these types of system
things things thrive and grow bigger, bigger, and live longer.
Could that be the answer to the stuff in the
Bible that a lot of non Christians laugh at when
they talk about, you know, people live in you know,
five hundred years or more, and that giants were on
the earth in those days and things like that. You know,
do you think that this Garden of Eden style atmosphere
could have been possible?
Speaker 1: Yes? It maybe I don't remember right now the exact myths,
but it was Emanuel Velikovsky, the famous heretic from like
the Venus planet cataclysm that hit the Earth, who found
such cataclysts and plenty of legends all over the world.
He was of such a belief based on myths from
all over the world, that there are in plenty of
regions everywhere myths of such paradise, but on Earth, that
there were plenty of good conditions, you know, even the
famous Golden Ages in India, in Greece, that there are
even mentions that there was like no night, and this
kind of idea that there was always day was one
of the things that later people who believe that moon
is artificial say that these myths show us that the
moon was added later on. Maybe. So you know, these
are conspiracy theories, like on a bigger level. You know,
we need to analyze them much more to say whether
they're true true or not. But what I say that
there are allegedly I haven't found many myself myths that,
for instance, there were three hundred sixty days, and in
Egypt it was a believe that there were initially three
hundred sixty days, and then it was a completely different
climate when there was just nowadays about three hundred sixty
five days in a year, et cetera. So I think
it's possible. What I also wanted to note, I think
I last time all that, or maybe on another podcast
I don't remember, but the same situation that after the flood,
the longevity of humans is capped in the Bible one
hundred twenty years, and before that, you know, nine hundred
sixty nine years I think was the maximum to Shellah,
and you know, everyone was living for a few hundred years.
In the Mesopotamian, Sumerian, and Acadian epics, we find the
same mention, you know, in plenty of them, like the
famous epic of Petrajeses says that Eetrajeses was the last
man from before the flood, and because he survived and
the rest of humanity was aredicated during the flood, he
was granted that, Okay, you can live forever, because before
the flood, according to Mesopotamia, people lived almost forever, so
they weren't capped genetically. When it comes to longevity, they
could be killed. Let's say, okay, you are killed and
you die, but when you wasn't aging, so you couldn't
die from old age. And the Atrajeses utnapichtim whatever we
can call them depending on the translation and the version
of this story was the last one of the immortals
from before the flood, and for instance, the famous Gilgamesh
as a powerful kinge who was afraid of death because
he found that his best friend died. And he said, wait,
so this exists. You know, it's again another myth metaphor
of a man who is so strong that you know,
he fears death. But he was searching for this last
month from before the flood in order to find the
secret of immortality. But the same idea that the bunge.
Speaker 2: Of stuff that we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the hero's journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, but yeah, I just I found that stuff fascinating.
And even though I can't remember if I read this
or heard it on another podcast, because you're like me,
you know, we read so much and listen to so
much stuff it kind of bleeds sometimes. But uh, basically,
like some of the stem cell research that they had done,
and they noticed, like you know, how our body rewrites
code and it's like a chain link and so the
chain when you get to the end, is your death. Basically,
nothing is regenerating anymore. But once the video playhead gets
near the end of that chain, here comes some worker
bees and starts adding on to that track. That way,
it can keep going and it keeps regenerating and building
upon itself. But as you get older, those stem cells
start to die and they don't reproduce anymore, and then
that's why the road suddenly gets cut off. The playhead
has to run off and stop, and that's the end
of your life. But they were doing all this research
and showing that by bringing in new stem cells and
introducing it, you're basically tricking the body to keep those
alive and those worker bees to keep adding to that track,
you know. So they were saying that if they could
fix that, then therefore people could live forever or you know,
exponentially longer because your body's not getting that kill switch,
you know, telling that thing to shut off basically, and
kind of like at the flood when God put that
in the play, you know, you know, my soul not
you know, abide with man forever, but with one hundred
and twenty years kind of like that's when you kind
of put that into the coding and man's trying to
play God and keep those sales going.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the stem cell part. But I think
the most important for longevity is within our DNA teleomers,
because teleomers, as you've mentioned, stem celves, and if there
wasn't any kind of DNA cup and there is, we
would be like old old. We wouldn't have like more
new cells. So we will be old, let's say, just
as ninety sixty years old, but you will still live,
you know, until you're let's say internals organs are working.
But there's also a cue switch, you know, yeah, but
you will be let's say three hundred years old, old man,
but three hundred and six hundred. But there is also
a cap in genes, and it's called telomeres, which are
the endings of the gene chains, and with age they
are getting backward.
Speaker 4: Maybe.
Speaker 1: But there is also thing about stem cells, which are
regenerating things. But you know, the tilamers are basically you know,
each kind of cycle the DNA is replicating, and we
know that if it replicates not correctly, we have, for instance,
cancer cells. And when we are young, you know, we
have enough immun sistem power to destroy them immediately, and
if not, they become of course cancer in some people,
and the same thing happens with the tilomers. If your
tilomers are you know, too short, because let's say this
is the potential ending of the tilamers which help you
correctly replicate the DNA, it goes shorter, shorter, shorter, and
at the end of your life it's so short that
you know, you cannot replicate anymore. So maybe you were
pointing to that too. And we know for a well
that for instance, some kind of natural compounds, some kind
of antioxidants can help you lengthen the tillomers, like good
living style can also lengthen them. Meditation and stuff like
that was also proven to you know, length and then
and maybe there are also some kind of compounds still
not discovered that may help you, you know, keep them,
maybe not make them longer, but just keep them. And
right now there's this bio hockey movement, you know, longevity movement.
You know, I think Brian Johnson, who you know, got
the blood from his son or something, you know, he
says that for sure, very soon will live to two
hundred years at least. So right now there is such
a movement even among the scientists who believe that we
will be able to live at least two hundred three
hundred years because we can like enable the telemers not
to be shorter. So maybe that's because the same with
the creation of mankind. We say, all creation of mankind,
all we evolve from home minutes. But I dug deeper
into how we evolved let's say, potentially from home minutes
before us. It was due to a completely random fusion
of chromosomes. And we know very well that when such
a fusion would happen nowadays, it causes, for instance, down
syndrome if there is too little or too many chromosomes
in our DNA. But this random about two hundred thousands
or maybe more years ago. Fusion of chromosomes let's say,
in a home minute species before us, lead not to
the bad outcome, but to us having like bigger prefrontal cortex,
being able to have higher advanced emotions like compassion, unconditional love,
stuff like that. And we know overwell because other ape
species similar to us, like chimpanzees, and also probably other
hominy species before, had one part of chromosomes more and
right now we have twenty three person before it was
probably twenty four. So such randomness, maybe you know, a
hunt of God into that inte creation of mankind who
knows or as some people suggest, anunaki or nephiline, you know,
creating humans out of pre existing hominids, because for instance,
from Mesopotamian sources, they did that later on when humans
were already there. Therefore, instance, created a primitive man called
and Kido, who was like an ape but intelligent. So
I think the same story with you know, manipulating to
some extent existing ape species, hominid species, integrating the man.
But no, it goes much different than that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and there's some Christians that get tore up
even just using that word evolution. But I think a
lot of times it's like our what am I looking
at here? Definition of words is usually the dividing point
and or misunderstanding of even scripture. I mean, because, like
me older, I get and I read. I think there
was two creations of mankind in Genesis. Now, because before
I was telling, you know, oh, God made Adam and Eve.
You know, it said let us make man in our image,
but it says male and female. He created them, and
that was Day six, and then later on you get
the story of Adam and Eve. When I was always taught,
oh that's just you know, a retelling of that story,
but in more detail. But the problem is is, when
you reread that carefully, it says that he when he
makes Adam, not even Eve, just when he makes Adam.
It says that he pinched from the clay, you know,
and all that stuff. But it says that this was
before there was any vegetation on the ground. So I
tell people, I said, I think Adam was part of
that us in our and the Day six were created
put in earth, and Adam was kind of like the
special project, maybe the overseer, if you want to look
at it, in that kind of youth. But then at
his downfall was basically kicked out of the palace and
put into the general population of the Day six people.
And it could have been through Adam's you know, perfect
genome interbreeding with the Day six people that kind of
made that, you know, evolution or next upgrade. And then
of course here comes the fallen angels throwing in their
DNA and stuff into it too, and there's where you
get the Nephelene. But like we talked about the beginning
of the show, man, if we are honest, we can
not speaking absolutes on just about anything. I mean, as
a Christian. Yeah, the absolute you got it is is
Christ you know, But that's about the only absolute we
really got if we're being honest. A lot of it
is speculation and guesses, and some are educated guesses. But
I'm a firm believer. We have a little more questions
than we have answers, and we need to be open
and humble enough to say we don't have those answers.
That way, when they do come along, we're not so
stubborn and stiff nick thinking we got it all, figured
it out, and ignore the truth.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a great point, but that was very awesome
what you said. I had never thought of these like
two kinds of quation of men in the Bible. But
what I thought when you were speaking about that is
creation in other mythologies, because for instance, the Mayans thought
that the gods first created people from different previous material
like wood, like iron, et cetera, but none of these
humans were perfect, and then finally they created humans out
of clay. So that's just adumu ad aidam is from
the word clay before Sumerian, and we know that, for instance,
from the Sumerian and ancient Mesopotamian sources. They also believe
that the like men like we nowadays were created from clay.
So as you've said that before, maybe they were like
worse humans and item was the best. So the same
as in Mayan version that these humans were bad from
this material, these were also bad and then finally from clay,
just as in Mesopotamia, just as similar to the Bible,
this was, you know, the final project, similarly to that
in Epjeses. First, gods because they want to create slaves
for themselves who will work for them. First they create
EGGI are not enough. Then they create humans. Humans are
also bad because okay, they are all right bad. They
are making very quickly overpopulation. They are very loud, and
gods want to get rid of them because in Epses
they say there are too many humans are too loud,
they are annoying the gods, so that's why they send
the flood. And Atrojasis is the only person who is
saved from the flood because one of the gods, an Key,
rebels and tell Cetrojeses that there will be flat you
need to build the boat and save humanity, and then
Etrojses is the only human allowed to live forever. And
next humans are living very short time spans. But before
the flood, there is mentioned that these evil elites gods.
I always mentioned that it's like the first New World
Order idea, because they send pandemic, they said, they sent wars,
they said famines, et cetera. But humans still survive. And
the epic of Trojeses is I think very funny at
the same time, but at the same time, very deep
about these descriptions because they mentioned, you know, even details
about you know, there was famine, people were very you know, hungris.
So let's say father ate the daughter, or like a
neighbor at eight another neighbors. So there are very interesting
descriptions and very detailed ones about what happens, which shows
resilience of humanity, just as we can con for them
to rats. You know, we want to eradicate the rats,
but they are still the you know, on the negative
side of you. But I see parallels to these stories
with what you said.
Speaker 2: I love these conversations, and I know you're a real
busy guy. We booked this about a month or two
ago because you had so much stuff going on. But
man if and when you get more time, I'd love
to have you back. And have some more conversations because
we both like to read and research, and I always
learn something new every time I talk with you, man,
so I thoroughly enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Yes, and also today even you taught me so many
things that you know, I'm really grateful for. And right now,
you know, maybe I'm rambling a little bit at the end,
but I'm thinking about, you know, all the connections of
what you said with what I've learned, with what is
the possibility is? Well, thanks for having me on another
epic conversation.
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I said, I tell people often. I mean, you can
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more everything, but you can't get more time. So I
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find the lost history, but again with no one single answer,
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I don't claim, of course that I found everything. Thanks
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