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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasikos. I am a still semi delirious

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Dan Favalley coming at you with mister mort Jensen of

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the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO

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from most only fans celebrity. We are gathered here today

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as the Hardwood Knocks NBA podcast slash the NBA Podcast

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Crossover to talk about the most fascinating teams to us

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post NBA trade deadline. We're gonna start with the East,

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then meander into the West. We don't know who the

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other is picking, so that'll add a layer of intrigue

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to everything is. We don't know who's gonna pop up

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for whom.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But this is a way to talk about the fallout

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from the trade deadline. We're also sprinkling in some actual

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basketball analysis too. Who doesn't love that every once in

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a while. More First and foremost, though, sir, how the

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heck are you?

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Speaker 2: I am doing well personally, Like my entire family is sick,

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but the fact that I'm not. It shouldn't give me

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enjoyment that the rest of my family is sick, because

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it doesn't. But the fact that I for ones have

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like avoided the clangy hands of sickness is just I

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love it. I know that I'm going to just by

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saying this out loud, I'm going to jinx myself and

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next tweet week I'm going to be down for the count.

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But the fact that right now ask per Tuesday, February tenth,

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I'm not sick, that is a win and I'm loving it.

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I'm going to squeeze it for everything it's worth. So

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I'm doing well, Dan, I'm doing very very well. I'm

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doing well too.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for asking. But I think what everyone just heard

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is that your family's lack of antibodies is like ped

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fuel for you, which is a little psychotic. But right

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you said, that's the most energetic intro you've come in with.

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It's when your family is sick, so very quickly, how

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did you approach or when you are approaching this exercise

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and give you the first pick of teams, how do

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you go about there's the obvious sort of oh new

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guy here, they're obviously fascinating, but beyond that, what goes

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into for you, like what what is the what's the

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watchability metric? For more post NBA trade Duneline, what is

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roping you in?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So two avenues. They're obviously the one where it's like,

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how does this affect the rest of this season, like

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the here and now element like Voutchin in Boston for example,

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And then there's like the long term view, like we

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were not going to see Anthony Davis. Presumably we're not

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going to see trade Young in Washington this season either.

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So then there's the long term thing like, oh, Washington

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is exciting to a certain extent, although I freaking hated

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the trade forum for Davis, but we'll get into that.

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Like so, so I kind of break it into two groups,

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and then there is one team that is both in

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Group A and Group B, and like, we just need

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to talk about them because they made seven trades and

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it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I wonder who you're talking about. I wonder who right

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I would echo all of that, and I think it

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only thing I would add, which steps a little bit

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on the toes of the team you just teased. There

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is the level of for me, the what the fuck

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factor of WTF, what's going what's going on here? So

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like that that sometimes speaks to me as well, Yes,

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same same, you get the first pick because I'm I'm

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a pretty generous person. So you want to talk about

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first Eastern Conference. Remember your restaurant, I hear it. I

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saw it, your Portland Trailblazers coming right out of your mount.

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Speaker 2: I look, man, I I want to start with the

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Boston Celtics because here's the thing on my list. Yeah,

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I mean, look, this was a team. We did not

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expect to be this good this year. We I mean

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me personally. I actually I thought that it would be

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their best interest because they have ownership of their own

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draft pick. I thought it was being in the best

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interest to tank because of no Chase and Tatum and whatnot.

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They obviously didn't because that's not how they roll. There

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are number three in the Eastern Conference and they decided

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to be well, I want to say buyers. But at

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the same time, they also got below the luxury tax line,

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so like they both got a little bit better up

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front and they got below the tax which is like,

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oh impressive. The Booch thing for them I think is

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fun because you know, he's becoming a cormuchial man. But

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that might fit beautifully in Boston system because he takes

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the threes. He passes like He's an IQ type of guy.

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he can move it like he hasn't started yet, but

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to start. Presumableay, I just think the offensive upside in

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him within the frame of that system is going to

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be too intriguing for them to I don't want to

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say pass up because Keita has done very very well,

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especially defensively, but you're gonna need someone who can just

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move the hell out of that ball, who can shoot threes,

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who give you eleven twelve rebounds per game. It's going

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to be fascinating to see him here in the short term.

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And the only thing I hate about this is that

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we're not going to see this team fully healthy, because

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there is something interesting in my eyes on a group

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with Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, Vouch, Derk White, Pritchard and

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so on like that that would be fun for me

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to see. So there's a big part of me that

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also hopes they re sign him in the summer so

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we get that lineup next year.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think part of the appeal with Nikola Vucevich

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is my guest and maybe I'm just wrong. It feels

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like he'd be more likely to stay for less than

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MLLEB money than an Anthony Simons, even though Anthony Simons's

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player archetype is kind of all over the place when

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you're looking at value. He was really good for them,

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what I do like, I don't know if they got

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better with Vuch. I think they filled the need though,

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and I know you mentioned you said we're never going

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to see them at full strength. Jason Tatum practices with

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the main red clause and has said something he gave

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an interview I think it was today after the fact,

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saying well, don't read into that. It doesn't mean I'm

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coming back. And so after him being determined to come back,

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he's kind of tried to hedge against it a little bit.

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I'm gonna call that gamesmanship. I really just Jason Tatum

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seems like he's wired to return. And that's also why

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I find this team fascinating, because I wonder if they

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do this exact Anthony Simon's trade or go about this

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exact tax ducking scenario, if they don't think that he's

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coming back because Simon's long term, sure, maybe he's just

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not too valuable to this team. But if if you

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don't think Jason Tatum is coming back, I would argue

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that Simon's is a lot more important to this team,

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just for the scoring, for the shooting, and so I

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wonder if part of their calculus was, oh, Okay, well

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Jason Tatum is coming back, so we don't We're not

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gonna it might be a little bit of tough sledding

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in the weeks to come, but he can play the

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Anthony Simon's role on his way back. He doesn't need

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to come back and be Jason Tatum right away, and

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so that really fascinates me. And it's also you mentioned

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this at the top, they're just way better than they're

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supposed to be. They have a top five offense and

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defense since Thanksgiving, and this is just not a team

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that was supposed to have that at their disposal. I

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also already like it's clear, and that was my hunch,

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but it's clear that Vooch isn't gonna start over Cata,

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which I think makes a ton of sense. What also

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makes them fascinating is because of the way they went

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about ducking the tax. More is they're playing this like

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crazy salary cap game to where they're gonna have to

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juggle like, oh, having below the minimum of players on

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the roster versus going into it for a little bit

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and then coming back out, and they can skirt that,

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or rather they can junk that approach and decide, oh,

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is there a way to duck the tax around the

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draft if they want to. But I don't think they

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went through all that trade deadline activity just to say no, no,

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we'll figure it out at the draft. And so that's

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another fascinating element here too. And finally, there's also kind

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of the immediate future of it all because I don't

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think fans needed to root for the Celtics to get

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out of the luxury tax this year, but it does.

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It's not counting towards the repeater clock. And now specific

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ideally maybe they duck it next season as well. Just

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looking at their salary structure, they might be able to

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do that. But now what you have done is entering

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a year in which we assume or know that Jason

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Tatum should be available. We don't know what he looks

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like yet, but he will be fully available. You now

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don't have to worry about paying the repeater tax for

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next season. So if it prompts them to go out

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and make another trade, or is it the difference between

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them spending a bigger part of the non tax pyramid

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level or for some reason it ends up being the

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mini m L. They're fascinating for a number of reasons.

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And finally I'll wrap up with this. I need to

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see what Boots looks like here, and then also if

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Jason Tatum comes back, I think they're the biggest I

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think the Celtics with Jason Tatum are the biggest threat

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to the Pistons in the Eastern Conference. And I don't

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know there are two other teams probably worth mentioning in

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that discussion, but as of right now, just based off

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what we've seen from the Celtics, I think I lean

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that way to where the Celtics with Jason Tatum or

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Detroit it's biggest threat in the East right now.

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Speaker 2: That that feels fair to me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I what have you? Have you caught any of

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Speaker 2: Yes, so he's He's had a little bit of a

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tough sledding in the first couple of games, hasn't hit

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the three ball yet. But I get so small sample size,

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I'm not gonna take anything away from it. The fact

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that he was you know it, labeled a back up

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the first couple of games and probably is going to

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be for at least another few weeks does not necessarily

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surprise me, because the Celtics have always put a lot

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of stuck into having offense off the bench, be that

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as a big man or a guard like that. They

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don't really buy into this whole mentality, Oh, it has

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to be a scoring guard, like, as long as they

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get an offensive input from someone off the bench, they

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seem to be pretty much satisfied with it. Vouch is

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likely to carry that role right now. I just I

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wonder if that's gonna stay the same when he starts

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hitting the three ball and all of a sudden he's

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like locking in for sixteen eleven per game, Because that

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wouldn't surprise me that he can do this in a

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playoff setting. His rebounding is going to be so valuable

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they'll need him against some of the

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more physical front courts. And then if you do have

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front courts, that catching his game against Miami to where

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you like the players they have on their front line.

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or super big front line, and then Vouch ends up

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having a really good game. That was his debut, right

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that will certainly come in handy. I am curious to

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see though how much, because defensively, yes, he can end possessions,

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and I think Boston has by and large the talent

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to maybe insulate him. Still, I am curious to see

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what type of minute he is able to play in

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the postseason for them, because that's long been a fascinating

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Orlando had no choice. The balls are just never gonna

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sniff the postseason ever, and so it's gonna be interesting

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to see, like what type of role he plays on

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a real basketball.

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Speaker 2: Team, right, Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take us to Cleveland Cavaliers, low hanging fruit

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but necessary. The whole thing is just I've already talked

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about the trade Garland for Harden with Grant, and then

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they cut their tax bill by getting rid of Hunter

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and Lonzo Ball. They have Dennis Shuter and Kean Ellis

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on this team now. Man, the Cavs are just they

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feel like a science experiment, which I guess is overstating

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the importance of James Harden coming in, but look, they

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decided that his immediate availability is more important than what

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Darius Garland was going to give them. And we still

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don't know when Darius Garland's going to debut for the Clippers,

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but it's so fascinating to see him. On the one hand,

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the offensive load off his shoulders. On the other hand,

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it's okay, well, James Harden's gonna slow you down, and

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do you want someone who takes up takes that much

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of the offensive workload off not only Donvid Mitchell' shoulders,

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but Evan Mobley. I think for this season specifically, it

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was probably the right bet. And you can already see

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through just two appearances Harden's made with the Cavs as

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we're recording this, like, his average number of touches is

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down the more importantly, the average number of seconds that

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he's holding the ball has been slashed by two seconds

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per touch right again early going. So there is clearly

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this element of all, right, James Harden is going to

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try and fit in, and we saw him kind of

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be part of it, felt in inffiliate, felt a little

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different before things went, hey, why, And then you go

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to the Clippers, where this season specifically he had to

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do so much, and so I'm so curious to see

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how he's going to fit in as part of this

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bigger context, because this should still be Donovan Mitchell's team

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in a sense, and you also should be giving ample

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space too, as much as Harden can augment the game

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of Jared Allen and more so, or more importantly, Evan Mobley,

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time and space to Okay, like, what are how are

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his touch is going to be impacted long term? I

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think the big thing though, is most of like Harden's

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already seeing more of his three point attempts come off

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potential assists in Cleveland, and that's that's like kind of

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the ideal balance. I'm curious just whether they're going to

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be able to strike it long term. And then my

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other it's a question or curiosity or fascination with them,

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is I don't think DeAndre Hunter was this huge defensive loss,

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but he was at least a properly wing sized body.

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And so now you look at this team and it's okay,

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Dean Wade, and then who I love. Jalen Tyson has

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been great, but even he is just kind of a

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scoach under wing size. He's listed at sixty five or

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sixty four around there. Kean ellis same deal. Dennis Shruter

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Ke listened to sixty three. Dennis Shreuter was he six

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to one and that'll give you some that's a he

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can be a good point of attack pest. But what

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is what's happening with their wing defense? I think was

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probably a question even before they made the Hunter trade,

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but even more so now. I think I've seen some

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people and read some people say, well, hardens a forward

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functionally on defense. Anyway, I don't know if that makes

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me necessarily feel better. Does it make the calves harder

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to know? I guess you could say, does it make

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the calves harder to target a little bit? Because forwards

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are less likely to be involved in the primary actions

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than if you know, Donovan Mitchell, Darius going and going

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up against back courts. Maybe, But that's the other thing

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that I'm just going to be keeping an eye on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, they wanted to accelerate. Donovan Mitchell

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has basically said as much, like I'm just gonna quote

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him from an interview he did with Cleveland dot Com.

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In a sense, the team is going all in. It's

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time to go when you make that move, understanding teams'

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age and where he's at in his career at the

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time is now. I mean, he's just underlining everything you

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just said, and rightfully, so this is this isn't a

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play for next year or beyond. This is a play

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for this season. And that's also I feel like putting

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a lot of eggs in the basket of Vivan Motley.

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You know, you know you you better step up now,

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Like you have to be the primary big man on

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this team, and you have to be that right now.

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So that's where James's impact, I reckon is going to

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come in. Also for Jared Allen, who's had a bit

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of a funky year, Like I can't that's been up

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and down. I think that's been a weird year for him.

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He just hasn't looked as consistent as usual. So perhaps

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that's going to be, you know, a key emphasis going

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into the second half of the year that James gets

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him involved. Like I loved the deal for the Clippers

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because they got younger and this set them up for

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a longer term, so I love that, but I also

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understand the logic here. I get what they're trying to do.

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It's going to be interesting to see if they can

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actually make it work. I have my doubts, and I

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was a little skeptical of them shaking that whole bag,

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Like I thought the panic meter for Cleveland was a

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little unjustified initially because when they lost to the Pacers

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last year, everyone was panicking, like, DoD they have to

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blow it up, and I was like, look, we just

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got through year one of Kenny Atkinson, like relaxed, Let's

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get into this season and see what happens. And then

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they just disappointed to a major degree. And apparently internally

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they decided they had disappointed enough to the point where

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they had to make a major move. And I'm always

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questionable or skeptical of a James Harden acquisition because he

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hasn't really won you anything, but I at least understand

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what they're trying to do, and that in and of

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itself makes it exciting.

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Speaker 1: When I think. What's also interesting, though, is if you're acquired, well,

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I guess it's twofold and we'll get into this. I'm

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sure we'll talk about the Clippers at some point. There's

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two things you have to monitor, is okay, well, how

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bad was Darius Garland's health or was this kind of

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a stab in the dark judgment? But then it's also

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if you're acquiring James Harden, it's under the guys that

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you're going to pay James Harden, is it not? And

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so I'm so curious to see what that contract looks like,

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unless does it all get blown to smithereens because they

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flame out in the playoffs and that's just sort of

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the he hops in. They're not willing to extend him.

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Donovan Mitchell request a trade or something. I don't know.

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The stakes are so high here because it's this is

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something more than just going all in on now. It

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feels like this team is acknowledging that without making it

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to i'll say the conference finals, that they're reaching some

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sort of a not just an inflection point, but almost

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a breaking point. And to that end, again, we still

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need to see it. Evan Mobley hasn't played with this

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group yet, but there's just something we could make. The

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jokes about James Harden, sure, but for a team that

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kind of needs Jayalen Tyson or Nae Kwon tailand Tomlin

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excuse me, who was just converted to a standard contract,

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Like needs those guys to show up defensively or to

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show up at all at the moment. It makes me

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feel wildly uneasy. And so you pile that on to

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all the other dynamics at play here. And I wouldn't

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call it more big curiosity because I think this team's

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ceiling is still insanely hot. They it might pick to

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come out of the East, and I'm not moving off

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that now, but like, this has the chance to at

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least there are excuses kind of, I guess there would

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still be excuses built in, but with injuries or Garland's health,

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you always have those inbuilt excuses. They go out the

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door a little bit now when you make a move

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like this, And just to circle back to the Darius

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Garland health of it all, I understand there's mostly ceremonial

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and maybe sort of a pr win with the Clippers,

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but the fact that the Calves were the team that

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included a draft pick in this trade is just it

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makes me wonder if I'm insane because it's the Calves.

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More information on Darius Garland everybody else, what am I

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missing here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the exact same thought when it happened,

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or was like that's the scene including a pick. And

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that also makes me a little queasy just in terms

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of like what is that injury report or the injury detailed,

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Like what is that the medical reports? Like how do

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they look? Is it? Is it really this bad? Because

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if it is that, that's tough too. He's such a

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good yond player.

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Speaker 1: I think he probably should have been. I'm not looking

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at the team's off rip, but I had him on

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All NBA last year and I know he didn't make it. It's

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like that you never like what it happened. You can't

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just say, well, he's been unreliable. He just he made

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an All Star team and he was in the All

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NBA discussion, and so it's what are we missing here?

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Players don't just fall off that type of a clip,

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especially at his age.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that food Selvi is going to make it exciting,

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right And also just again, we've seen James Harden work

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with other ball dominant guys before, and Donovan Mitchell's just super.

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I don't think he receives enough credit for his scalability,

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but that's a that's a duo. That is just I

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don't know. I never had that circled on paper as

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one that I wanted to see, and so I'm fascinated

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to see how it works. And again, just how does

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that interplay with a healthy Evan Mobley too? That that

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three man dynamics Because Jared Allen you mentioned his uneven season,

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he will find his place, especially playing along side James Harden,

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so which he never would. He almost did but didn't.

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He was traded in the trade that sent James Harden

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to Brooklyn. Right, So this is finally what the Nets

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should have done. The Cavaliers finally did. That's what this

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was about. Parent James Harden with Jared Allen.

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Speaker 2: My next team, I gotta go with the Wizards, and

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that's the long term Lens. So here's the thing. I

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was of the opinion still am, and I know that

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I am very alone in having this opinion. I don't care.

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I feel pretty confident about it. So like, come at me.

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I still think that any team that took on the

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contract of Anthony Davis should be compensated for doing so, because,

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like he played twenty nine games over the past calendar year,

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he's gonna be thirty three next month. We are also

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seeing that his game is deteriorating. He's being owed because

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I have to assume he's picking up that option like

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you and I have talked about, Oh, maybe he like

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is looking for an extension whatnot? Like, sure, fine, good

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luck with that. He's owed like a one hundred and

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twenty one million over the next two seasons. And it's

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just it's such a rich deal. The injury concerns are

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so ridiculously loud. The game is not loud anymore, which

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is a concern. But if you're taking that aside, at

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least they didn't give up juicy draft picks, Like do

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I think that the Wizard should even have given up picks? No,

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But given what they gave up, it's not at a

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point where I'm like, oh, they blew up their own franchise, Like, Noah,

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you gave up something for a guy who is like

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a maybe, which fair enough if you want to do that.

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But I am going to be interested to see how

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this is going to affect like the youngsters, because it

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wasn't lost on me Dan that there are now two

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players in Washington, both of whom have repeatedly said, oh,

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I don't want to play center. I want to play

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power forward, and Alix Sorry and Anthony Davis. One of

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them's got to give, Like one of them has to

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step up of that position and do what they don't

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want to do. At the same time, Keishawn George needs

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development minutes. Try Johnson needs more development minutes. Bill Colopli

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needs more development minutes, bub Carrington, Will Riley, potentially Cam

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Witmore if they hang on to him, whoever they're gonna

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get in. I mean, they're just how do you balance

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that with Trey Young, who is like a high volume

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score first heliocentric point guard, and then also a fairly

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ball dominant Anthony Davis, who isn't just a playfaer ship

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but someone who holds the ball a fair bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm less I would be more concerned about the Tray

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Young fit than Anthony Davis, because I think he has

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these certain offensive proclivities where he likes to be on

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the ball. They're not beholden to doing that, and in

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the position that he hope now, I think to be concerned,

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Trey Young is probably just more of an intuitive fit overall.

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When you're looking at Oh and Anthony Davis, Alec front

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Court is Anthony Davis gonna have the space to even

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be a play finisher, to even hold the ball if

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he wants to attack. In New York, Tsar is taking threes,

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but needs to take more of them, needs to his clip.

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It was promising to start the season. It's dropped off since. Yeah,

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I'm I'm more optimistic about this team than you are.

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And I think the problem with them being fascinating is

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they're fascinating because of these decisions that probably aren't going

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to impact the product at all this season. They did

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say that they expect Anthony Davis to play at some

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point this season. We'll see if that will see if

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that holds. I hope we get to see it. I

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just want to see what it looks like with him

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and Alex are together. I think defensively they'll be They'll

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be dynamite together. I'm more optimistic though, of the fit,

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because maybe I'm overestimating the level of reality check that

475
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:51,440
Trey Young got. But do you remember the report that

476
00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:54,400
said Trey Young is basically lasering in on the Wizards,

477
00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:56,880
and it was yeah, no shit, because the Wizards are

478
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,000
the only team who were after him, and that has

479
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:01,599
to be sort of a reminder or, like I said,

480
00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,440
a reality check for someone like him, to where if

481
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,599
you weren't gonna get paid by your own team, or

482
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,799
there weren't other teams that were foaming at the mouth

483
00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:12,319
to go get you, does that finally prove to you

484
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,440
these small marginal changes you made throughout your Atlanta tenure

485
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,079
just weren't enough. But I share your concern with if

486
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,240
the ball is gonna be in his hands, I ultimately

487
00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:25,839
think that it will help Alex Sar and I think

488
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,680
it'll help a ton with balancing the Alex A and

489
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,319
Anthony Davis fit because Trey Young, for all the scoring

490
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,519
efficiency problems he's had over the past couple of years,

491
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,160
that's a dude who can work and set up teammates

492
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,039
in tight spaces, and so Sar and Anthony Davis should

493
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,720
be just fine. Does it take away from anybody else?

494
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,759
I think that's a fair question. I really am, though

495
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:49,160
I don't want to use the word stunned, but I

496
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,319
am stunted how many people were against the Anthony Davis trades,

497
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,839
specifically for the Wizards. If you wanted to take the

498
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,079
TBD approach to see, well, let's see if they give

499
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,720
him some unruly extension before where we get on board

500
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:04,720
with this. But there's a strong chance, if not an

501
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:08,319
overwhelming likelihood, they gave up the number thirty pick and

502
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,359
salary to get him. I don't see an issue with that.

503
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:16,759
I think Trey Young and Anthony Davis are worth more

504
00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:18,759
than anything you were gonna do with your tap space

505
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:22,079
this summer. And the bigger question, I guess it's twofold.

506
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,200
If you got them with the intention of extending them

507
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,920
off of their current numbers, or Anthony Davis is going

508
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,400
to get a max extension, I will absolutely destroy Washington's

509
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,519
front office. But will Dawkins Michael Winger. To me, they've

510
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:38,240
earned the benefit of the doubt. For the most part.

511
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: This is weird.

512
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:42,079
Speaker 1: They're zigging when everyone expects them to zag or whatever.

513
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,799
But they're gonna have another high pick because they're gonna

514
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,240
keep that top a protected pick. There's talent there, and

515
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,319
I think even if they're taking the approach of we're

516
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,000
not trying to get so good right away, as much

517
00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,079
as we want to help rehabilitate these player values that

518
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,440
we could flip them from more, that might be something

519
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:03,200
Trey Young and Anthony Davis are on board with. I

520
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,759
don't even know what the grand plan is there. I

521
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,960
just think they have so many options at their disposal,

522
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,960
and the opportunity cost to me was so low that

523
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,000
unless you truly believe they're gonna sign one or both

524
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,480
of them to just blastom his contracts, I don't see

525
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,279
the I guess I don't see the downside here. That's fair.

526
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,759
Speaker 2: I just generally am opposed going in on a guy

527
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,480
with this level of injury history. Now I understand you

528
00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:32,519
also still need to hit the salary floor at the

529
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,160
ninety percent of the cap, which fair enough, Davis Kelp

530
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,960
should get there, and so will Trey Young. Like that alone,

531
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,519
those two guys are gonna add up for what one

532
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,200
hundred and something million next year if Trey picks up

533
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,279
his player option. Yeah, So that alone is going to

534
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,880
make sure that they're going to be closing in on

535
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,079
seventy percent of the cap or something along those lines

536
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,720
close to it, I think sixty or sixty five. And

537
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,680
if that's their priority, like in just saying, look, we

538
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,599
still have all our youngsters, there's gonna come in another

539
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,079
rookie instead of going out and paying someone else who's

540
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,240
not gonna get minutes, and just to make sure that

541
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,359
we're you know, matching the ninety percent criteria. All right,

542
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,920
fair enough. I'm just of the opinion with Davis that

543
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,519
he's been so injured or it just picks up so

544
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:23,400
many injuries, and he's getting older than I think we

545
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,519
care to realize. He to me, compared to how he

546
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,000
looked in the LA, he looked out right bad and

547
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,319
like compared to his standards. I'm not saying he looked

548
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:34,759
outright bad as an average NBA player, but compared to

549
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,000
his standards, I thought he looked out right bad in Dallas,

550
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,640
Like he had a few games like sprinkled in here

551
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,400
and there where we were like, oh, okay, there's a

552
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:46,279
d nice, nice seeing you again. But if that trajectory

553
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,480
continues in terms of him getting worse and worse and

554
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,240
the salary is what it is and he's just not available,

555
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,519
I mean, I guess you could say, yeah, so I

556
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:00,440
know what you're gonna say, like, if he's not available,

557
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,240
that at least you're going to get a lot of run.

558
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Through the other guys, right, correct, And it's yeah, I

559
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,680
think that what you're outlining is only a problem if

560
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,279
they turn around and pay him. And I'm just wondering

561
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,039
it's fair. This is a broader strokes question, probably, but

562
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,319
don't you think we might be past the days where

563
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,559
someone like Anthony Davis has the leverage to get this

564
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,759
huge extension. If he does extend, it's probably because they've

565
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:29,720
lowered the average annual valuable average annual value excuse me, considerably.

566
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I wasn't even baking in any extension personally,

567
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,920
because I think any team looking at Davis have just

568
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,519
taken like an extension off the table, because even if

569
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,720
you like extend, if you extend him next year, he's

570
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,519
he's extension eligible this summer. I believe after July first,

571
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:52,920
then he becomes extension eligible. At that point in time,

572
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,559
you're looking at someone who's thirty three. You haven't had

573
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,920
him on the court in your uniform, in your own uniforms,

574
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200
I only play twenty nine games, Like I think you

575
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,839
would be at any price point you should You just

576
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,720
should not be looking at that for twenty six twenty seven,

577
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,640
Like this is something you do later on in the

578
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,200
season if he's healthy and you're looking at it, and

579
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,960
you're going, okay, like, could you perhaps decline that option

580
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,480
in for sixty two point seven in twenty seven twenty eight,

581
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,680
and we'll give you a much lower salary. The challenge there,

582
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,160
Dan is if they internally set his value ad I'm

583
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,079
just gonna throw out a number here because of the

584
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,839
injured concerns or whatnot. Let's say twenty five million a year.

585
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,920
That is a tough sell for Davis to decline that

586
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,160
twenty seven to twenty eight number. Like then he might

587
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,359
just say, all right, I'll grab sixty three million bucks

588
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,599
and then go into understuctive free agency in twenty eight instead.

589
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,599
Speaker 1: And what's what he leaves?

590
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, no, no, that's fine, Like if he does,

591
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:58,359
that's fine. And my point is it's still like, even

592
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:01,119
if we take the extension talk off the time, it's

593
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,119
just such an utterly shit ton of money for twenty six,

594
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,039
twenty seven and twenty seven to twenty eight. Again, I

595
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,960
am well aware that their cap sheet is beautifully structured,

596
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160
and I think that's why I was like, why why

597
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,960
go in and do that? And like, but I also

598
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:21,920
hear you, if he's injured. Look, here's your runway, Alexar.

599
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:24,759
Here's your one way blog, Kulabili, Like, here is your

600
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,640
one runway. Whoever you get in the twenty six draft.

601
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,319
Speaker 1: I I think I'd be more concerned about this, because

602
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:33,680
you're right, that is a huge number. I'd be more concerned.

603
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,440
But next season, let's say, even if they gave Baalah

604
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,119
Kulabali this massive extension, next season is not a problem

605
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,759
because none of their guys are super expensive yet right now,

606
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,880
as you get into twenty seven to twenty eight, maybe

607
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,359
that's with Davis on that huge number. Even then you

608
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,119
don't need to pay everybody at that point. And for

609
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,759
as much as I like Blah Kulabali defensively, like he

610
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680
is just never made good on what we thought he

611
00:30:55,799 --> 00:31:01,319
could possibly be offensively, so you're not staring at the like,

612
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:04,599
I just don't see like a financial breaking point for them.

613
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,720
And so for me, it's more about the long term

614
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,400
commitment of if they did this and they're gonna extend

615
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,160
him this summer a better people because he's coming super cheap,

616
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,319
right and I just don't I think they're either not

617
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:16,039
gonna sign him to an extension or we're gonna look

618
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,920
at the number and be like, oh man, what happened here?

619
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,599
And I also just wonder they're in this weird spot

620
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,599
because even if you liked Alex sar Even if you

621
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,200
like Keishaw George, even if you love Trey Johnson, this

622
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:31,960
is one of the teams you look at and say

623
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,400
they don't necessarily have their tent pole of the future

624
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:37,920
or the guy who is gonna direct everything they do.

625
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,240
I'm not saying that Trey young and or Anthony Davis

626
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,039
give you that, but at some point, how long was

627
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,200
this rebuild gonna last? You hope that maybe you get

628
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,319
that guy with this draft pick, and that would be

629
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,400
a whole other discussion of well, who do they end

630
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,079
up with in the draft, and how is that player one?

631
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,200
How do they fit alongside Trey and ad? But how

632
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,920
is that player impacted by both of them? There? So there,

633
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,319
there's certainly questions to be sure, But I guess when

634
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,279
I look at the opportunity cost outlay, I'm just I'm

635
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,480
shrugging because they'll be able to find a way out

636
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,319
of it or just let these deals come off the

637
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,079
books and that'll be that. Because let's say they don't

638
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:16,559
make these trades, they were gonna be bad anyway, or

639
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,440
try to be semi good next year anyway, and the

640
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,519
end result would probably be worth They're ceiling with Anthony

641
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,119
Davis and Trey Young is I would say, way higher

642
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240
than anything they could have done just in free agency.

643
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,240
And you don't want them getting to a point where

644
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,440
they feel compelled to give up their own draft picks,

645
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,400
which is somebody, and that further insulates them against the

646
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,119
downside if things go wrong, You're not going to pay

647
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,200
for it. In the in the vein of Dallas is

648
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,480
getting one of our first round picks or Atlanta's getting

649
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:46,599
one of our first round picks.

650
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,559
Speaker 2: I think it's because the alternative to me is rending

651
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,039
out cap space instead and presumably acquiring assets instead of

652
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:59,200
relinquishing them. And I think that's wherein I would have

653
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,039
opted for that as opposed to taking on Davis and

654
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,680
relinquish assets like I would much rather have done that. However,

655
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,200
I do concede that because they don't have like their

656
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,599
main ten pole guy, they can afford to take this swing. Now,

657
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,400
if they win the lottery this year and it's Darren Pedens,

658
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Peterson or aj Debonza, like one of those guys has

659
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,960
to go number one, then it's like, okay, you know,

660
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:30,799
we're resetting the table here, like well, everything that Trey

661
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:33,440
Young or and anything Davis wants. That is going to

662
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,079
be up to us, Like, We're not going to be

663
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,640
dictated by your needs and your wants, Because if we

664
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,920
have a Darren Peterson or an ag Debonsa, and we

665
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,119
have a Trey Johnson and Alex Sara at Kulbli, Bob

666
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Carrington came with Warwick will Riley keich On, George whatever,

667
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,720
then we dictate terms like right now, I think with

668
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,839
Davis and Trey Young and without them having like that, dude,

669
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,960
they're probably gonna have a little bit, not too much power.

670
00:33:58,079 --> 00:33:59,839
That's wrong, that's the wrong way to phrase it, but

671
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,400
I would I would much rather have them focus on

672
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,039
the future as opposed to to whatever they're trying to

673
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:09,599
build right now. However, that doesn't take away from the

674
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,920
fact that they're exciting. I will say this, I might

675
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,679
not like the trade. That does not mean I'm not

676
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,920
gonna tune the fuck in the off season.

677
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: A top five league pass team and needs to start

678
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,039
next season just to see the theory of all this

679
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,519
play out exactly like and that that's just the thing,

680
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,559
and isn't there a chance? So when you look at

681
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,880
what was happening with Dallas, and I won't say Washington

682
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,599
has Pristine's I think, by the way, that needs to

683
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,639
be one of the goals this offseason. Just add as

684
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,760
much shooting to this roster as you can. But like

685
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,639
so with Davis specifically in La so you're there with

686
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,039
Lebron and Reeves, you're not necessarily overtaxed offensively, but you're

687
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,639
over taxed defensively when you're looking at that group Washington

688
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,880
just having Sar next to him, or even if they're

689
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,800
staggered like then Ad is probably gonna like presumably play

690
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,239
a lot of five against backup units. You have Kishon

691
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,920
George blah Koolbali if he's still there. I've liked a

692
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,679
lot of what I seen from Will Riley lately as well,

693
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,639
justin excuse me, justin champagne Ye, I'm gonna continue to

694
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:14,239
get the Champennies mixed up. Having him there, there's a

695
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,639
lot of just guys in front of him or around

696
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,800
him that makes his defensive lift a little lighter. And

697
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,159
then also this team, I guess you could have said

698
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,400
on paper it looked like you could say the same

699
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,480
thing about Atlanta, but they weren't really running a front

700
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:32,960
court that could have a Sarna Davis behind Trey Young,

701
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,199
and so this might be one of the better teams

702
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,440
that can protect Trey Young defensively. When you look at

703
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,119
some of the perimeter talent, I know Bla Koolbally is

704
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,320
probably the closest they come to, just a guy who's

705
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,599
gonna turn the water off. But I really like like

706
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:49,679
Justin Champagnie is shot solid. I think Kishon George will

707
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,199
be solid. So just having those options, I'm curious if

708
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,440
this team winds up, if it gives itself a higher

709
00:35:56,599 --> 00:36:00,400
floor next season, then even many are expecting by virtue

710
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,719
of it being better equipped to defensively than perhaps we're

711
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,000
giving them credit for the offense. I'm not gonna lie.

712
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,559
I think Trey Young, if he's healthy, you'll coax enough

713
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:12,280
offense out of this group. But I am concerned a

714
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,559
little bit about the offense, in large part because of

715
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,840
the spacing, but also I need to see what the

716
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,559
trickle down effect is. I'm looking mostly at I don't

717
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,599
know who you're most concerned about, but I'm looking mostly

718
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,800
at Trey Johnson, Keshawn George, and then maybe whoever the

719
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,880
Wizard's draft this year as the Okay, how do those

720
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,639
guys co lace a lot like with Trey Young.

721
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: So who's your next team?

722
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:40,039
Speaker 1: Let's go with my Charlotte Hornets. LaMelo ball is going

723
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:41,400
to be a future Hall of Famer. I think that

724
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,840
we've established this moret I think I already spoiled this

725
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,119
stat before because I mentioned the other team, but here

726
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,599
it is two teams rank in the top five of

727
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:54,239
offense and defense since Thanksgiving. Yeah, the Charlotte Hornets and

728
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,800
the Boston Celtics. That is insane. This team is insane.

729
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,039
They are and I said this on Blue Sky. I

730
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:05,039
said they're a heart attack, but someone correctly pointed out

731
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,599
they're more like an anaphylactic shock. Just watching them, I

732
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,960
think the offense when all their players are available, it's yeah,

733
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:14,199
no doy, like this team is going to set the

734
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,559
world on fire. But just to underscore that, they have

735
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,920
an offensive rating of one hundred and thirty eight point

736
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,159
two when LaMelo, Brandon Miller, Musa Diabata, and kon Kin

737
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,039
Nipple are on the floor, Yeah, that is stupid. I

738
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,840
think they've gotten way more out of their center rotation,

739
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,639
specifically with Diabate and Ryan Kaalkbrenner than they were supposed

740
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:35,159
to call Brener has been he has like you know,

741
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,000
the occasional yam, but he's been way better defensively than

742
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:41,559
I expect. Yes, we're starting to see more Josh Green moments.

743
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,559
If James is hitting threes, what is he like a

744
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,000
top five player in the NBA just based off his defense?

745
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,239
That's hyperbole. I look at the defense that this team

746
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,800
has played. Brendon Miller has gotten so much better as

747
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,760
the years, as the year is progressed, and I think

748
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,280
you look at the data and then is shooting luck

749
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,199
caked in? Opponents are shooting under thirty five percent on

750
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,800
wide open threes during this stretch. But two things, one

751
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,599
of which I already pointed out on a previous podcast.

752
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,000
If your offense is so good that it allows your

753
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,480
defense a chance to get set, that's that's an advantage.

754
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,599
But there's a this team can press depending on the

755
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,960
lineup that's on the court. They do have some just

756
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,199
LaMelo ball size, contain nipple size, Brendon like, they have

757
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,239
good positional size. But between guys like Brandon Miller or

758
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,039
the work that called Brennan Diabote put in some of

759
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,599
the moments again that we're getting from Josh Green of

760
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,119
late having this see on James Wildcard to play Tjan

761
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,719
Salon like has had some really good stretches throughout this

762
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,800
post Thanksgiving stretch. This team, I'm not gonna say they're

763
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,360
gonna make the play in and then just like win

764
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,079
a first round series, but I think they are so

765
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,400
they might be so much closer than people realize. And

766
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,880
they're also fascinating because by the way, they traded for

767
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,400
Kobe White, and it was when in real time I

768
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,920
had I didn't have. I had some trouble wrapping my

769
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,039
head around it just because of the opportunity cost of

770
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,239
four seconds in Colin Sexton basically or three seconds whatever

771
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,599
ended up being. Was that enough of an upgrade? And

772
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:12,960
I started to think about it more, and you go

773
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,039
and to watch Kobe White and it's, yeah, it's an upgrade.

774
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,519
He's just the more versatile offensive player where Colin Sexton

775
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,639
can like he's been more efficient this year, but Kobe

776
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,719
White is gonna draw tougher defensive assignments. You can use

777
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,800
him in different ways away from the ball. I think

778
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,519
just by virtue of the size difference, you're getting what

779
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,599
three inches four inches going from Sexton to Kobe White,

780
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,280
he's better defensively. I still think that he is, and

781
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,719
the date, I want to be clear, most of the

782
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,159
data is not going to back this up, but I

783
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:43,960
will swear by it watching them. Kobe White's the more

784
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:46,639
versatile playmaker as well, And so if you're looking for

785
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,599
someone who can one, if you're gonna play LaMelo Ball

786
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,440
continental and Kobe White and Brandon Miller together, you're probably

787
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,559
gonna have an offensive rating of one to fifty. But

788
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,519
if you're looking for someone who can step in when

789
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:04,440
LaMelo Ball invariably deals with injuries, it's Kobe White is perfect.

790
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,079
You could do better in theory, but realistically speaking for

791
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:11,039
what you have to pay these players, I think that's

792
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,480
gonna end up being absolutely massive for them. And I

793
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,679
like them saying, yeah, we can have the flexibility to

794
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,119
go just sign him this summer, but let's get him

795
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,079
in here now. We're one assuring that no other teams

796
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:24,719
swoop in and pay him, and two we're gonna get

797
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,639
a look at how this all works out. And I'm

798
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,880
just looking at this team moving forward. I don't know

799
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,039
where their draft pick is gonna land this year, in

800
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:36,920
part because I mean, there are three wins behind me

801
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,880
three losses are two losses, excuse me behind the eight

802
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,280
seed heat. They're probably not gonna have a super high

803
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,159
draft picks. My point, they might be in the lottery.

804
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,599
Who knows. I don't know if they need to be.

805
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,960
I look at the way this roster's playing. I don't

806
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,880
think they need another high end guy. I still. I

807
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,760
know Miles Bridges has his on court supporters out there.

808
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,199
I know t Jon Salon has plenty of his own

809
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,760
supporters there. I just look at this as they need

810
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,480
a front court upgrade somewhere. It could come at the

811
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:06,679
five if you don't think Kulkbrenner Diabotte is starting material.

812
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,039
I'm more so. I wanted them to be a Jaron

813
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,199
Jackson junior team, but they just have And they have

814
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,840
extra first round picks to use in trade, so they

815
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,760
can probably get away with making an upgrade via the

816
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,440
trade market without having to sacrifice too much of their

817
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,599
own future, which is a really big deal. So this

818
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,960
is a team. The caveat, of course, is health. And

819
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,800
I'm looking at LaMelo there and I want to throw

820
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,599
you a question to let you start off on this.

821
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,599
I watched Konkin nipple and forget about the shots that

822
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:38,960
are going in. You look at the possessions in which

823
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,960
he doesn't take a shot, whether he's getting rid of

824
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,239
the ball or he's just moving off the ball. Who

825
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,480
is the last rookie that you can remember sending defenses

826
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,280
into that type of a panic. My answer was Dame,

827
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,800
And I don't know. I don't know if that's right.

828
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,320
Did I go back too far and I'd not go

829
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,119
back far enough.

830
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,119
Speaker 2: No, that's fair because Dame was after Steph, so that's fair. Yes,

831
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,880
Dame was twenty twelve. Steph was what nine oh nine?

832
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:08,159
Speaker 1: When was Clay? Clay was also twelve?

833
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:10,199
Speaker 2: Clay was I think twenty eleven.

834
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,079
Speaker 1: Clay was, Yeah, he was twenty eleven. And also I

835
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,760
think Damian Lillard just by virtue like doing on ball

836
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,199
stuff too, like Conkain Nipple can do. Uh Man. This team,

837
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,960
though they are, I'm not saying they're a top five

838
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,480
team in the league, and I don't look at this

839
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:29,679
team and think they're actually a top five defense. Kudos

840
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,559
to Charles Lee, by the way, but they there is

841
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:35,639
a there There is a defensive malleability to them, a

842
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,639
defensive heartbeat that I don't think receives enough credit.

843
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: I was calling the game between the Hornets and Spurs

844
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:51,920
on Jan forty first. Like I've seen probably ninety ninety

845
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,960
five percent of all games in Victor one Bama's career

846
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:02,000
NBA wise, that's not many. I have never seen him

847
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,079
being guarded as well as Musadiabatte. He completely shut him down.

848
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,599
He completely shut him down, like there was no avenue,

849
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,159
there was no way to like utilize the size against him.

850
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:25,320
Diabat completely dominated that matchup. So from a defensive perspective,

851
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,599
when you have a guy who can shut down a

852
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,679
Wemby like that, I know it's a one off, I

853
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,280
don't care because he did it over the full course

854
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,440
of a game, so like it's not like in a

855
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,400
few processions here and there. This was a methodical undressing

856
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,519
of one of the best centers in the league, one

857
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:44,400
of the best players in all of basketball right now.

858
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,000
That is special when you have a guy who you

859
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,639
can throw in in a theoretical playoff context and go,

860
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,760
this dude shut down Wemby like he can probably play

861
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,199
pretty well against some of the other players. So as

862
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,199
long as as long as ChIL Durant doesn't get him

863
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,360
thrown out of game. But that that to me is

864
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,920
special like Diabase. I'm sold. I've been sold for a while,

865
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:12,800
but like that game sort of solidified it at a

866
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,119
different level like that, just that just took it up

867
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:19,039
a notch. Like, Okay, I was certain before, I'm I'm

868
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,920
like completely locked in now now I agree with you

869
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,800
on the Miles Bridges thing. So I brought it up

870
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,719
a name during that game that I called I was like,

871
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,199
and that was just the theoretical I was basically saying,

872
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,920
if you get a connector in there instead of Miles,

873
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,840
because Miles just kind of take shots without the flow

874
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,800
of the offense, you don't necessarily need him just taking

875
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,960
all those shots. You need someone who's a little bit

876
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:47,079
more defensive oriented, who moves the ball a little bit quicker,

877
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,880
someone who can rebound better, someone who can just connect everything,

878
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:57,000
like just be that missing piece alongside Ca Nipple, Miller, LaMelo, Diabase,

879
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,679
And like I was kind of imagining, you know, not

880
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,519
Jeremy Sohn now, but Jeremy Sohn presumably in a couple

881
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:06,400
of years from now, that guy who will do the

882
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,599
dirty work. He'll hit the occasional three, He'll have games

883
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:12,000
where he finishes near the basket. He'll be set up

884
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,719
but he doesn't force the issue in any way, shape

885
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,559
or form like or a prime Bruce Brown someone of

886
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:22,000
that ILK. That's what is to me is like next

887
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,920
level for them. That's the next step getting someone in

888
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:29,199
who plays more influential basketball than Miles Bridges because they

889
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,119
have everyone else playing their role and doing so fricking beautifully.

890
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,519
Speaker 1: And what's also fascinating about them, So they'll they should

891
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:41,920
be the other non tax payermid level this summer. I

892
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,239
think the end of this season is probably gonna inform

893
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,199
how aggressive they actually are. Yeah, they'll use the non

894
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,440
tax payer mid level no matter what, but I think

895
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,559
that might identify if they make it into the play

896
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:54,880
in or even the playoffs, then they say, well, how

897
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,320
did our center rotation do against what does our four

898
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,159
rotation look like? And also if they want to make

899
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:04,800
a trade, there's also there is the Lamello injury stuff

900
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,840
looming in the back of their heads. It's you can

901
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,639
argue we need to be urgent because our window with

902
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,960
him is we don't know how long or do we

903
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,800
wait and see leading into next year's trade deadline, Because

904
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,360
one look at what happened leading into this year's trade deadline,

905
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,760
all the opportunities that kind of arose. So I'm there's

906
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,079
gonna be that interesting push and pull. But I've looked

907
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,639
at them as just I can't. I was looking at

908
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:29,679
free agents to see who would make sense for this team.

909
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,280
They could do something like ad Dean Wade and the

910
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:36,480
level of confidence I would just have, and Charlotte being

911
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,239
a threat in the East with Skyrocket. I think that

912
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,960
says the world about how their core is playing. I

913
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:43,159
also wondered, this is just a name I saw. If

914
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:47,119
you could get Isaiah Hartenstein, do you like him better?

915
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,320
You would, even though Diabat is doing what diabatees do.

916
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: No. I mean, look, I love Diabase. I wouldn't like

917
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,840
send him away. I would look at that as center depth.

918
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,760
I also think Diabase, you know, he's not someone you

919
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,400
play forty five minutes per game. I think he's someone

920
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,639
you keep in the mid to late twenties. That leaves

921
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,679
enough minutes for hartensteinen to you know, cement himself as well.

922
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:13,679
This is the NBA in twenty twenty six. No one's

923
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,760
going to play eighty two games as well, So like

924
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,559
they're both gonna be averaging somewhere between twenty five twenty

925
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,079
eight minutes per game. That's one hell of a center rotation.

926
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:23,880
I wouldn't hate that at all.

927
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: The other power forward Hardenstein's not a power forward, of course.

928
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,599
I think you're leaning further into offense. But what you

929
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,840
mentioned about playing within the flow of it, I think

930
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,840
this player checks that box way more than a Miles

931
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,000
Bridges playing within the flow of the offense Ruey Hotchimra, Yeah,

932
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,320
I just don't are we leaning too far into let's

933
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,840
let's see we could break the record for relative offensive

934
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,280
rating in league history or something.

935
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: No, but that's that's a good shout because Ruy is

936
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,280
so used to playing off of lead guards and you know,

937
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,320
the ball handlers. I think in LA he's kind of

938
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,960
been underutilized. Honestly, I think I think there are I

939
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,920
covered a lot of Lake this year, and the fact

940
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,239
that he's just being looked off as often ass he

941
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,760
is is a freaking crime because he's too good a

942
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,639
shooter her not to be given consistent touches. But he

943
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,719
will bend himself to the roster around him. That's a

944
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,000
good shout. Defensively, I question whether he has the right

945
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,360
upside but offensively beautiful fit.

946
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:27,039
Speaker 1: Yes, and I had two names. I already forgot one

947
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,000
of them, but we both agreed that Herb Jones was

948
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,320
a great trade target for them leading into the deadline.

949
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,320
I think he's still that still kind of holds and

950
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:36,840
I can't think it was a free agent, but I

951
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,440
already forgot, so I guess, oh, restricted for I have

952
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,840
two names. Technically restricted free agency doesn't happen anymore. But

953
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,199
if they throw non tax payer mid level money at

954
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,679
Peyton Watson or Tory Easton just to see if the

955
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,599
Nuggets at bow Rockets match, that's something that I would

956
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:54,639
for sure look into. Great, who is your Do you

957
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,360
have another Eastern Conference team you want to I have

958
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,599
a final team. I have a final team because I'd

959
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,639
see them. And that's just because what the hell is this?

960
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,800
And that is the Bulls, because I mean, we have

961
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,199
to talk about them, given how people come in to this,

962
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,679
but they want to hear more on the Bulls. We

963
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,400
get YouTube comments, discord comments all the time on the Bulls,

964
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,360
more and more.

965
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:19,199
Speaker 2: God, that's depressing. Look, we can't not talk about a

966
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,719
team that hadn't made a trade in like twenty three

967
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,480
years and then made seven over the course of like

968
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:29,679
two days. Right, they look I love that our Torris

969
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,920
Cardon show just came out and said, oh, don't call

970
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,519
it a rebuild, Like, yes, this is a rebuild. This

971
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:38,480
is very much a rebuild. You're you're absolutely starting over.

972
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,599
You have every shoot first guard in the league. Everything

973
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,880
is just like so guard oriented. One of your primary

974
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,480
wings is Patrick Williams, who is still so bad it

975
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,400
kind of hurts.

976
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he's not starting at center for them at

977
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:52,880
this point.

978
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,519
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, look, I like the idea of trying

979
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,559
to rehab some value, Like if they get a good

980
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,559
second half of the year out of Rob Dillingham, could

981
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:06,840
he be an interesting trade target for other teams in

982
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,199
the summer when he has one one more year left,

983
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,760
I think, or to no, wait one, this is two

984
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,280
years left?

985
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, two years, doesn't It feels like he's he's been

986
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,800
through some stuff just by virtue of how much the

987
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,360
Timberwolves invested in him. That's why it feels like he's

988
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,199
been in the league longer.

989
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he's only a second year guy, so that's interesting.

990
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,519
And the fact that they also got Jadeen Ivy, someone

991
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,480
I know that the league at large is a little

992
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,079
down on Ivy because of the injury he got, you know,

993
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:39,400
the Cole Anthony situation was ugly and he missed a

994
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,880
ton of time. He's kind of lost some burst after

995
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,039
that injury. But what I want to know is is

996
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:49,719
that something that is looked at as something permanent or

997
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,679
can he get that on ball juice back. He's so young,

998
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,880
like you almost have to figure his body will eventually

999
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,599
get back there.

1000
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: But is he interested because there's there's been moments where

1001
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,000
he can't get or isn't trying to get by guys

1002
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:08,400
like Jordan Clarkson's exactly. That's that's problematic, it is, and

1003
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:10,760
it's such a shame because he was one of my

1004
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,440
favorites coming out of the draft as well.

1005
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:18,119
Speaker 2: I've always liked him. I thought the Pistons were only

1006
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,199
half serious in like trying to develop him. I don't

1007
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,920
think they gave him the benefit of doubt. Oftentimes it

1008
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:30,599
was a quick hook. Then the injury started happening. It

1009
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,159
was just tough sledding. So for him to get somewhere new,

1010
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,719
that's also interesting to see if he can sort of

1011
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,239
become the player that he we all rather kind of envisioned.

1012
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:46,960
So there's an interesting, intriguing something there going on with him, Like,

1013
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:50,000
can call in Sexton build up something for himself his

1014
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:54,519
own market, come into free agency? What about anthrothy Simon's

1015
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:56,800
can he do that too? Like because he was sort

1016
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,840
of put into a little box and in Boston where

1017
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,679
like you're doing this very specific thing and that's basically

1018
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,039
all you're doing. Now he's getting a little bit more

1019
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,400
free reigns, Like he's allowed to handle the ball, He's

1020
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,360
allowed to take make decisions with the ball in his hands, Like,

1021
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:12,320
is that going to remind seems that, oh, he's got

1022
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,400
a little bit more to his game than what he

1023
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,800
showed in Boston. Because it's sometimes it's a short memory league.

1024
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,800
I'm just intrigued to see where how all of this

1025
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,159
kind of shakes out for guys individually, for the Bulls,

1026
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,079
like collectively speaking, it's just you have to tune in

1027
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:35,480
to see because it's it's so weird, and also having

1028
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:37,079
a million shoot first cards.

1029
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: It's fucking fun. Like they're losing games, but it's fun.

1030
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:48,039
It's entertaining basketball. I'll give them that. I would echo

1031
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,840
all of you say, but would probably add exponentially more

1032
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,239
confusion to the fold here. And I will say I

1033
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,559
did not see their loss to the Nets. I saw

1034
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,239
their loss to the Nuggets, and I just want to

1035
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,079
be on the record is saying I'm disappointed that I

1036
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:05,480
have not seen the five point guard lineup yet. It's

1037
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:07,679
been two games. I don't think we've seen it. Why

1038
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,480
is it not happened. It should happen. It should They

1039
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,360
have no reason not to do it. But like, man,

1040
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,960
look when you think about that, the guards like Anthony

1041
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,760
Simon's Josh Giddy, Colin Sexton, Jade and Ivy, Trey Jones,

1042
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,400
Rob dillinghams likes the The thing that I struggle with, though,

1043
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:32,039
is how are you supposed to rehabilitate the value I'm

1044
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:35,880
looking at Dillingham and Ivy specifically, just because Collin Sexton

1045
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,119
will probably leave in free agency and Trey Jones is

1046
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:42,199
Trey Jones. How are you supposed to rehabilitate the value

1047
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,960
of one of them when you have both of them

1048
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,760
plush Josh Giddy just feels counterintuitive. I think it helps

1049
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,159
Jay and Ivy has a ton of experience playing off

1050
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,039
someone like Kay Cunningham, and so if I had to guess,

1051
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,239
Rob Dillingham doesn't have the same health concerns. But I

1052
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,320
think that Jade and Ivy fits the like the motif

1053
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,400
of this ross right now, more so because he could

1054
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,320
be used in different ways. So who do you have

1055
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,840
more confidence in them? I guess the other variable here

1056
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,480
is well Jaye and I. He's gonna be a restricted

1057
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:11,840
free agent. As you said before, Rob Dillingham was two

1058
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,760
more years left out this deal, and so I'm watching

1059
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,440
that I liked. I don't know how much Yabuselli hated

1060
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,639
New York did he was one to decline his player option.

1061
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:22,559
I was sure he's gonna pick up to go to Chicago,

1062
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:27,239
but I think that was smit wild down five point seven.

1063
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:32,159
I do have. My justification was that he knew that

1064
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,960
he was going to a place where he was gonna

1065
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,039
play because Chicago's front court depth is so barren at

1066
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:40,039
the imagine. Remember before they even folded Nick Richards into

1067
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,119
the like they had Uzmanjang. At one point, I was like,

1068
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,719
is he there? Backup five? So I think Yabu SELLI

1069
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,320
place on opportunity to either improve his value overseas or

1070
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,920
maybe there'll be a team that would give him a

1071
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,000
two year minimum contract so you guarantee more over the law.

1072
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:57,880
I don't know, but I was I was a little

1073
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,360
surprised to see him do that as well. Other thing

1074
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,000
with them though, and this always would have been the case,

1075
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:06,440
but now it's I'm kind of even more confused. More

1076
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:10,079
they might have sixty plus million in cap space this summer.

1077
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,960
There are two ways to look at this. That ak

1078
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,320
just pulled off like the greatest job security play of

1079
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,239
all time, sort of just wallowing in mediocrity for however

1080
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,199
many years, and now because you start over, well, how

1081
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:24,960
are you gonna fire me? Now we're starting over, like

1082
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:29,280
I need to see this thing through, or or why

1083
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,079
would they why would they do this? More so they

1084
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:32,920
could go ahead in the offseason and take a big

1085
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,559
swing on the trade market and in free agency, are

1086
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,679
they gonna go add Austin Reeves to their stable of

1087
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,360
guards and then trade for big salad, trade for Karl

1088
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,559
Anthony Towns? Like who's I don't I'm almost concerned because

1089
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:49,320
I don't see We all view this as just sort of, oh,

1090
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,239
they're admitting that they need to reset. But I also

1091
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,039
kind of look at it and say, this wasn't they

1092
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:58,119
didn't do anything. They traded guys expiring contracts. It's not

1093
00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:01,800
like they did anything monumental came to setting themselves up

1094
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,760
for the future so correct. I'm almost a little concerned

1095
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,519
about what the bulls plus a lack of direction plus

1096
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:10,880
flexibility is gonna mean for this summer.

1097
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm not into, you know, the big galaxy brained. This

1098
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:19,360
isn't what it's gonna be like look over here, thing,

1099
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:22,760
But I'm just gonna say it. With this many guards,

1100
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,159
you also get a ton of different looks at different

1101
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:28,280
playing styles, and that's probably the best way for you

1102
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,599
to reevaluate or just evaluate overall whether justs Giddy is

1103
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:36,519
the right player for you moving forward, because at that contract,

1104
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:39,559
he is movable, Like maybe you look at the hit

1105
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:43,239
him and you kind of compare him to the explosiveness

1106
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,599
of Jade and Ivy if he returns to that explosiveness,

1107
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:50,440
obviously Sexton, Rob Dillingham, those guys. Maybe we're like, huh,

1108
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,320
perhaps we actually want a league guard who can bend

1109
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,239
defenses off the ball. Maybe we want someone who can

1110
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,000
who doesn't take like half an hour loading up on

1111
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:01,440
a pull up jump shot, Like, maybe we want someone

1112
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,159
who can actually execute plays, you know, at a speed

1113
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,920
that that isn't so slow that we can't even catch

1114
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,760
it with the naked eye, Like, there are so many

1115
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,119
different benefits in having so many guards around, because it

1116
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,320
gives you a look at how guard execution can actually

1117
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,159
be utilized, and that gives you information. So if you

1118
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,400
come out in the summer and you may have looked

1119
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,440
at the second half of this season and reached the

1120
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,400
conclusion that you know what the way that Josh Giddy

1121
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,519
plays look love him as a rebounder, love him as

1122
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:38,239
a playmaker, don't love the slow shot execution, don't love

1123
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,559
his off ball gravity. Perhaps there's a trade there. I

1124
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,360
just I don't hate their approach in terms of just

1125
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,000
getting all the guards in there to give them different looks,

1126
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,800
because maybe, just maybe it'll make them realize that pace

1127
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,880
and space is the way forward.

1128
00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:01,159
Speaker 1: My final Eastern Conference team, it came down between the Hawks,

1129
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,679
the Nets, and the Raptors. Would you like to guess

1130
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:04,840
which one I went with?

1131
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: Again, give me those names.

1132
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: The Hawks, the Nets, and the Raptors naming.

1133
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: Him the Hawks Hawks obviously Hawks.

1134
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went with the Nets. The Hawks. I just

1135
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:19,039
think I don't really know what the Hawks are doing,

1136
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,239
like they are another team. And it was the same

1137
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,039
with the Raptors. I'm more pleasantly intrigued by them. They're

1138
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,400
they're a little confusing. I don't know how good they are,

1139
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,800
even as someone who is higher on them coming into

1140
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,760
this season the Nets, there are a few things. Cam

1141
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,119
Thomas is gone, They're instantly gonna become more watchable because

1142
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,639
he's not gonna pull or hijack possessions away from all

1143
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:41,320
the youngsters. Nolan trey Ari is gonna be unleashed. I

1144
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000
think we might see some more yor jaegor Joeman getting

1145
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:46,079
like on ball reps as Oh, I'm not just playing

1146
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:47,800
away from the ball that I'm someone who's gonna drive

1147
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,920
the offense. Is this gonna be a stretch where Noah

1148
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,960
Clowney is shooting a trillion percent from three or is

1149
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,280
he gonna be shooting sub twenty percent from three? I

1150
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,639
have no idea. Yes both sure. And then you're also

1151
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,039
getting like you giving Jordi Fernandez and this will age

1152
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,159
poorly if one of these guys is just like jettisoned

1153
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,480
before this goes live. But Josh may Not or o

1154
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:10,800
Chaiakbashi just more guys who are gonna be frisky defensively.

1155
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,079
I really like Drake Powell. There's just a lot of

1156
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:15,880
pieces on that, and now I'm just curious to see, well,

1157
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,719
how do they cook without camp Thomas being in the fold.

1158
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,960
But this is also a long term fascination play for me,

1159
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,960
and I focus on Michael Porter Junior with it. Who

1160
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,400
I do think he probably should have been named as

1161
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,360
the All Star replacement instead of brandon ingram right on court,

1162
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:33,320
not for his podcast takes, just for his on core

1163
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,679
play specifically, I think I would have.

1164
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: Lost him in thirty seven. Record is probably the counter argument,

1165
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,639
but like in a nutshell, I hear what you're saying.

1166
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:46,559
Speaker 1: Yes, the Nets did not take on any money that

1167
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:50,000
extends beyond this season at the trade deadline, and we

1168
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,119
didn't talk about it in our trade deadline reaction, but

1169
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:54,440
that is something the more I thought about it. They

1170
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:57,639
don't control their own twenty twenty seven pick. They held

1171
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:00,880
on to Michael Porter Junior and how people are mentioning

1172
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,320
them as oh, they might try and get involved in

1173
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,119
the Gianna sweepstakes, and I'm not. I think that would

1174
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:10,199
probably be verging on foolish unless he goes for far

1175
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,800
less than we expect. But this is a team that

1176
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:18,639
suddenly feels like perhaps they're just saving flexibility for the offseason,

1177
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:20,840
they'll do more of what the Nets have done. But

1178
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,960
I'm looking at them and I'm going it feels like

1179
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:27,119
they might have a non Yiannis Division major trade plus

1180
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,039
signing up their sleeve to try and hit accelerate. I

1181
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:31,639
don't know if that's the right move. I don't know

1182
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:33,599
if it's the responsible move. I don't even know if

1183
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,000
it's the move or inconsideration. Because Sean Marx has not

1184
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:42,199
typically until they signed Katie Kyrie DeAndre Jordan went down

1185
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,079
that route, he has not allowed Brooklyn's draft obligations to

1186
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:50,880
dictate the tenor at which they rebuild, still not taking

1187
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,599
on any long term money leading in the next season,

1188
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,400
or I don't know if they looked at it and said,

1189
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,039
we got a twenty thirty two first round pick for

1190
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:01,119
taking on Michael Porter junior and in the process acquired

1191
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,159
a fringe All star. It came with the expense of

1192
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:06,679
Cam Thomas. But are they envisioning something similar happening this

1193
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,840
year to we're aready get a twenty thirty three first

1194
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,719
round pick like to be able, we would just want

1195
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:15,000
to prioritize that flexibility. So I thought that was interesting

1196
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,880
because they were the only team that had cap space

1197
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,880
at the trade deadline, and they didn't do I wasn't

1198
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,480
expecting them to. Oh they took they ate up Jeremy

1199
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:26,320
Grant or something, but I thought they were either gonna

1200
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,039
eat like a singular ten plus million dollar contract. I

1201
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:32,159
was convinced, and they did not. And so it's just

1202
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:37,079
something that after some pondering, after the fact that now

1203
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:40,280
I was on my radar, could this be the Austin

1204
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:46,719
Reeves team? Ooh you got man? I'm honestly sure, I'm

1205
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,159
but you're here. So yeah, I like it because I

1206
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:50,840
don't know how to feel about Nolan Tree or a

1207
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,000
long term the efficiency needs to come up. I think

1208
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:55,239
he'll get there around the rim, but the on ball

1209
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,119
speed is insane. And I also think that they just

1210
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:02,119
have between a Drake Powell, I mean, Boji, he's going

1211
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:03,920
to be a free agent that did over. Josh might not.

1212
01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:06,760
But just like all these sort of defensive pests flying

1213
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,320
around that you have questions about their offense. Probably Drake

1214
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,079
Powell has the fewest question marks on offense. I don't

1215
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,239
know this team is frisking. They also didn't trade Nick Claxton.

1216
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,880
For what it's worth, he was on the books anyway,

1217
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,000
but he's been I think people kind of I don't know,

1218
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:23,159
entering this season, decided that his contract was not great

1219
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:24,920
and so they've written him off. And it's all kill

1220
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:27,599
Just average a career high and assists and showcase more

1221
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:28,920
of a floor game and still be one of the

1222
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,079
most switchable bigs in the NBA. And that's that.

1223
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: And with Gemmen actually starting to heat up now, I

1224
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:41,719
think there's some interchangeability with him and Reeves, so like

1225
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,400
you could get away with that backcourt.

1226
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: So it be Reeves, who would you start as the

1227
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,679
nets dens or your best five men unit. Let's assume

1228
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:53,840
Claxton and MPJA are still there, right, So yeah, so.

1229
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,199
Speaker 2: You're Claxton center, Mpja at the four, I would say

1230
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,440
probably right then you need a primary wing and then

1231
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:04,199
Gemmen and Reeves at the guard spot. Like you're not

1232
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,039
starting Terrence Man, You're not You're not keeping Siyo Williams

1233
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,199
to that point. I think Drake Powell I like him probably.

1234
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,519
I mean he's probably the answer based on the Kurt roster. Yeah,

1235
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,960
but he's just he's like six four sixty five.

1236
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: Could you do I mean, so how much cap space

1237
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,199
could they technically have, so they'll have I'm looking at

1238
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:27,159
the wrong year. I saw a ninety million and was like, oh,

1239
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:29,559
they'll be fine. So they could have close to fifty

1240
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,159
if they were able. They shouldn't be compensating to get

1241
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:37,800
off money, but could could fifty get you Austin Reeves

1242
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:38,679
and Andrew Wiggins?

1243
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,679
Speaker 2: Probably not, like I'm assuming, I'm assuming Reeves is going

1244
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,760
to cost you more. But if you can get off

1245
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,599
the Terrence Man contract, can you? Though, that's a little

1246
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:50,639
tough because that's good.

1247
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,559
Speaker 1: Because you just trade for Andrew Wigans like, so you're

1248
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:54,400
not going all in on Giannis, but you're giving up

1249
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,719
an asset plus Oh yeah, good for for Wiggins.

1250
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: That's interesting. So it would be Gemen, Reeves, Wiggins, and

1251
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:04,960
p J and Claxton. That's whoever you draft and whoever

1252
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:05,559
you draft.

1253
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, that's the other thing that's fascinating

1254
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,480
about this team is how hard are they gonna go

1255
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,679
after the tank? Because they are. They have the fifth

1256
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:19,880
worst record as we record this and they are three

1257
01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:24,800
losses in front of well because it's it's hazy because

1258
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,480
of the winning percentage, but like they got to make

1259
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,800
up three losses. Well, they're only one loss out of

1260
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,679
a bottom four record. So in the East, just between

1261
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:33,840
the Wizards, the Pacers and the Nets, there's gonna be

1262
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,880
some Shenanigans that's going on here.

1263
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,159
Speaker 2: The best possible scenario for them is ending up with

1264
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,840
the second overall pick because then it's gonna be one

1265
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,199
of Darren petersnore hg De Bonsa. And if it's Bonza

1266
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,599
at like two and he slides writing this or starting

1267
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:52,239
a three man that works out great for them. I

1268
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,599
I mean the Nets does it seem to watch next

1269
01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:56,199
year for sure?

1270
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,679
Speaker 1: What do you think is more likely that they didn't

1271
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:01,880
take off long term money because they want to hit

1272
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,360
the accelery button or because it's they want to just

1273
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,480
preserve for the opportunity like they got with MPJ this

1274
01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:08,559
past second.

1275
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: The second one, I think, because I still think they're

1276
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,800
an opportunistic organization at heart.

1277
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,239
Speaker 1: So this is going to end with the Raptors trading

1278
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,960
Perl and the twenty twenty thirty three first round pick

1279
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:18,440
to brookly Well.

1280
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,199
Speaker 2: No, because can mean so many different things, right like

1281
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,280
if if they flame out on who they want to acquire,

1282
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,599
because that can happen after all their thirty bidders, you know,

1283
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,360
they can pivot. That's what they've been good at. Every

1284
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,800
single time that they've needed to pivot, they've done so

1285
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:37,400
pretty well. So yeah, I look, this year was kind

1286
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,280
of forgettable. I don't think next year will be.

1287
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,239
Speaker 1: Are you ready to move on to the Western Conference?

1288
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,519
And who is your first pick for the Western Conference?

1289
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:48,320
I am.

1290
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:54,719
Speaker 2: Just in terms of like going forward, moving forward or

1291
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,440
not going sorry, not going for it this year, but

1292
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,119
like going forward to long term. It's the Clippers. I

1293
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:02,639
got we gotta talk about the Clippers. Like they decided

1294
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,440
to say we're out of it. Well they didn't say

1295
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:09,199
James Harden wanted out, but they amended that and they went, fine,

1296
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,159
this is we are going to trade if it's a

1297
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:16,440
shop botch for a very good return. Let's be real,

1298
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,760
Like they're finally pivoting towards something that looks at a

1299
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,639
little long term instead of always being in this year

1300
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:29,280
to year business. Now what does that mean for Kawhi

1301
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,519
is to me the big question because if they're gonna

1302
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,800
pivot to a four or five year plan, then a

1303
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:39,840
thirty four year old Kawhi Leonard doesn't really seem to

1304
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,360
fit those plans a whole lot, Like is he going

1305
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:43,920
to be on the.

1306
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,639
Speaker 1: Trade market this summer. I just have my eyes on

1307
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,480
this team in terms of like what they're trying to do. Yeah,

1308
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:54,639
and I think there was the report that said teams

1309
01:06:54,639 --> 01:06:56,800
are gonna try and trade for him this summer. I'm

1310
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,800
curious to where he would accept the trade, not that

1311
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,159
he has veto rights, but how many times have I

1312
01:07:01,199 --> 01:07:02,880
said this. If there's a player in the league who's

1313
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:06,760
willing to retire just randomly because they don't like where

1314
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,119
they were traded, it feels like it might be him. Yeah.

1315
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:12,920
Looming over all this too is we don't know as

1316
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,719
of this moment. The rumor was that we're gonna hear

1317
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,480
more about it after the All Star break. We don't

1318
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,559
know what's gonna happen with this Aspiration investigation. So did

1319
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,599
they acquire those first round picks in the Zubats trade

1320
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:29,039
because they are anticipating that some of their own picks

1321
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:30,679
are going to be stripped away? Or is this just

1322
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:32,920
an op it was an offer that they couldn't turn down.

1323
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,960
There's also just they don't have an and they're clearly

1324
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:39,920
they didn't strip away their roster, but they acted. I

1325
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,719
don't even know if they acted as sellers because I

1326
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,639
love Darius Garland, but you sold on Zubats for sure,

1327
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,000
But like you're still kind of built to be good.

1328
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:49,360
You have Brook Lopez and John Collins in the front court.

1329
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,519
If Derek Jones Junior is gonna be healthy and Kawhi

1330
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:54,559
is gonna be healthy, which is just the other thing here.

1331
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:57,559
I mean, this was gonna be one of my questions

1332
01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:01,119
for when Grant and I do a biggest questions post

1333
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,480
All Star break. If he hits the threshold like on

1334
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,679
are probably gonna finish in the top five or three

1335
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,039
of MVP voting. No, yeah, that's which is just I

1336
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:15,480
would not have predicted that entering this season.

1337
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,039
Speaker 2: No me neither. He's been Look the fact that was

1338
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:23,760
that Lebron who got the All Star not over him initially,

1339
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:30,560
I think, So that's just preposterous. Why has been as

1340
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,319
the lead as they come this year like this this

1341
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,680
is one of those reminder years he occasionally sends us

1342
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,560
where he's like, oh, yeah, like I'm still that dude. Right.

1343
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,000
We talked about him some time ago where I said, like,

1344
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:45,720
he's probably the closest thing to Michael Jordans since Mike

1345
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,840
in terms of just the the specific strengths and the

1346
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,920
way that he can carries himself on the floor and

1347
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:58,199
his impact and like he's ridiculously good. So if he

1348
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:05,039
is on the tree market, even at that age, he

1349
01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:08,600
should still fetch something good right at forty four.

1350
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: As an expiring contract. I don't know. I would say,

1351
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,600
I think you're probably looking at sort of a let's say,

1352
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,319
Anthony Davis level return where it's like two auta boy

1353
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:25,079
first round picks, maybe, especially because he's the small vom

1354
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:28,439
for Brooklyn that was the four ooh, they just use

1355
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,399
their cap space on Kawhi now would be hysterical. Well,

1356
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,319
I think what's also difficult with him is LA clearly

1357
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:38,039
has these cap space plans in twenty twenty seven, still

1358
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:40,000
even with Garland on the book, So they're probably not

1359
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:43,199
willing to take back a ton of money. I I

1360
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,079
have we even talked about when is Darius Garland gonna play?

1361
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:51,720
Is he gonna play? Because the Clippers now small, smallish

1362
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,880
sample sized three hundred and nineteen minutes, six hundred and

1363
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,720
twenty six possessions, the Clippers are plus twelve per one

1364
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,119
hundred posessions when Kawhi plays without Harden or zoobots on

1365
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:04,720
the floor, so if you're also just gonna throw Darius

1366
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,479
Garland into that equation, the Clippers, when you look at

1367
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,359
the standings, they're guaranteed to make the play in. Just

1368
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,279
the number of teams below them that are looking to

1369
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:18,199
actively avoid the play in is all of them Memphis, Dallas, Utah,

1370
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:21,000
New Orleans or Sacramento. So they're gonna make the play in.

1371
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,279
But this is a team when you're looking at who

1372
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:27,680
else should be involved in the play in, Golden State, Phoenix,

1373
01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:31,600
and Portland. If Darius Garland's healthy, are the Clippers the

1374
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,880
picks to be one of the two teams that come

1375
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,079
out of the play in. Sure, I don't expect them

1376
01:10:36,119 --> 01:10:40,079
to beat the Thunder or the I mean, I don't

1377
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:42,960
know Clippers Spurs. If you let's just say that for

1378
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:45,039
some reason, that's the first round the Clippers get in

1379
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,920
is the de facto seven seed, and the Spurs stay

1380
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,199
in number two. I don't think people are gonna pick

1381
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:53,000
the Clippers. But when you cake in San Antonio's relative

1382
01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:58,479
playoff inexperience, wemb Steph Cassel, Dylan Harper, there's a lot

1383
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,680
of variability in that matchup, I would say more so

1384
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,359
than denver La or Oklahoma City, LA. For that matter.

1385
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:07,800
I echo everything you said about well what is kind

1386
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,600
of the long term plan here? But I'm also if

1387
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,279
Darius Gurln's healthy. I find myself wondering what's the short

1388
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:17,359
term ceiling on this team? That is fair our next

1389
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,239
Western Conference team. I mean it has to be. I've

1390
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:22,359
been banging this strum since before the trade happened. The

1391
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:28,239
Utah Jazz, they're interesting for reasons that are divisive. I

1392
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:31,119
will say, with their decision to play who they play

1393
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:33,560
down the stretch of close games, or should I say

1394
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,479
who they don't play down the stretch of close games,

1395
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:39,279
people are gonna get big mad about it. Tanking is

1396
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:42,520
a whole separate issue. I'm just interested. I wish Walker

1397
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,279
Tesler was healthy because I just want to be able

1398
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:46,800
to see the theory of what's playing out with Jaron

1399
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,119
Jackson Junior, Larry Marketen, and Walker Kesler together. I thought

1400
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,680
the Jazz made a great decision trading for Triple J

1401
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:57,479
at that price, and we'll have to see how he

1402
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,319
ends up faring. He only has to ape. He is

1403
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:02,199
underhim belt with the Jazz at this point. But you're

1404
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:05,479
also you're getting a taste just use of Nurkic still there.

1405
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:08,640
I don't have any doubts that Larry Marketing can play

1406
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,720
the three offensively. I'm just very curious to see what

1407
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,359
it looks like defensively. And this is almost a better

1408
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,479
trial by fire because Usef Nurkic is not Walker Kessler,

1409
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,359
and so you're gonna be attacked differently than if Walker

1410
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,000
Kessler's on your back line. That'll be a pretty big

1411
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:28,600
moment I think for the Larry market In, Jared Jackson Junior, defensive, dynamic,

1412
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,680
and the other things. I just also want to point

1413
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,399
out Cody Williams looks like buying large lately an NBA

1414
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,920
rotation player, and then he's not gonna win Rookie of

1415
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,880
the Year. The efficiency can be all over the place,

1416
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,880
but he's Bailey Is. I think he's gonna be a dude.

1417
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:47,119
And so you have that. He's six'. Nine Larry markin

1418
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,479
is what six.' Ten Jared jackson junior also.

1419
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,359
Speaker 2: Six Ten Mark No marv marktin got a size spump

1420
01:12:52,399 --> 01:12:55,159
over the over. The summer he's seven. To One so

1421
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,520
market is a. Seven Footer walker kessler is a. Seven

1422
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,239
Footer Jared, JACKSON junior i think is listed at. Six'

1423
01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:03,920
ten i'm Pretty confident that bailey's listed. At six' nine

1424
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:06,399
if this Team ends up with aj devinsa like, another

1425
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,359
six nine guy they get to run Out Of lineup.

1426
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:11,039
Speaker 1: Where ace bailey or aj is their smallest. Player on

1427
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:16,119
THE court, that's why i again the integrity of tanking,

1428
01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:18,960
is a separate debate but the system Is incentivized for

1429
01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:22,520
the jazz to continue doing. Exactly what they're Doing And

1430
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,279
if it's keyante george has, a, lightly sprained ankle no he's,

1431
01:13:25,319 --> 01:13:28,319
not gonna come back even though you're beating The Borderline.

1432
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:32,479
Sad sack orlando magic so this team is fascinating for.

1433
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,680
A number of reasons it's what does the new edition look,

1434
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,680
like on the floor and we have, as we're recording

1435
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,640
this we've seen very little. Of it so, far but

1436
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,399
two also how hard are they willing to tank because

1437
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,600
they've decided this is the last year. That we're doing this.

1438
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,439
That's what you've decided you didn't give up any of

1439
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,840
your own high End Equity To, get jared jackson junior

1440
01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:54,000
but by getting, him and his contract you've, decided this

1441
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:55,760
is it like this is the final year of the

1442
01:13:56,279 --> 01:14:00,159
Capslock REBUILD and then i'm i Want To see how

1443
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:04,000
kyante george CLOSES the year because I the other thing

1444
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:06,560
i'm fascinated by is what does he? Get in an

1445
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,079
extension does he? Even get an extension are they gonna

1446
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:11,319
say you need to prove it to us again next

1447
01:14:11,359 --> 01:14:13,479
season and then we'll get you? In restricted free agency or?

1448
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,399
Is there a number does he look at the first

1449
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,159
TWO years of his, NBA career and say i need

1450
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:22,159
like some security of the. Actual long term payday that's

1451
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,920
going to. Be an, interesting, negotiation this team though even

1452
01:14:26,079 --> 01:14:30,079
Like Right DOWN to bryce Sensiba, I the jazz man

1453
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:31,960
i'm all in on what they're gonna, look Like next

1454
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,039
season and i'm just curious to see like some of. The,

1455
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,319
footprints of it well let's say what through the first

1456
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,960
two or three. Quarters of each game i'm excited to

1457
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,000
see what that. Looks like this season.

1458
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm, Glad you're excited DAN i'm glad and i share your.

1459
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,600
Excitement on some players, At the Very Least, Bryce sense

1460
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,079
a bog i'm glad, you brought him up one off

1461
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,920
my favorite dudes to. Watch in the league this guy's

1462
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:59,279
offensive ability. Is just it's. Nuts It's, JUST nuts cant,

1463
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,319
GEORGE i will say i think you should. BE given an, extension,

1464
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,560
i would, not like you know it's probably not GOING

1465
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,079
to be, a max this year but he if he

1466
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:11,720
duplicates what he's done, this year next year then suddenly.

1467
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,279
We're approaching, max territory so like if you can lock

1468
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:18,359
him up now for something that's MORE, than a fun

1469
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,479
max because it's not even. Gonna be, A max hell

1470
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,199
yeah like if you can get him for what twenty,

1471
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:29,000
seven million a year twenty, eight million.

1472
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: A year and now you're not playing and they might

1473
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,680
not have, been playing this anyway but you're not trying

1474
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,800
to preserve. Any Type Of cap space walking caster is. Going,

1475
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,840
To Be Paid marketing jaron. Jackson, junior are paid yep.

1476
01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna, get paid so yeah there's there are a lot.

1477
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:48,800
Of fun STUFF there something that i find amusing that

1478
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,279
it hasn't happened yet but it, absolutely is going to

1479
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,800
is when some random ass six' five guard who's, not

1480
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,199
known for his rebound He's Just Gonna sky Over Jared

1481
01:15:57,239 --> 01:15:59,479
jackson junior and laurie market and grab a rebound. Over

1482
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,479
the both of them because that is definitely going. TO

1483
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,520
happen more than once i.

1484
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: Think you're under selling market? Is rebounding, A little.

1485
01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 2: Bit oh yes i'm sorry his seven rebounds per game

1486
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:12,199
in forty five minutes for a, Guy, who's SEVEN to,

1487
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:13,960
one yes yes i am who.

1488
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,520
Speaker 1: Does, play alongside use of nurkice it's, Gonna gobble those

1489
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,239
things still like.

1490
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 2: Historically Not A Great rebounder historically jaron. Jackson junior. A

1491
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,439
horrible rebounder we'll see, I mean that it's Interesting i

1492
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,479
will say if i'm going to be, slightly complimentary to

1493
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,840
that duo which i'm. All the wise. Very much not

1494
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:45,159
the offense the offensive explosion potential for. Those two is completely,

1495
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:49,439
nuts like both of them with the ability to stretch the,

1496
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,479
forth the way they can the way that they can

1497
01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:54,640
take three pointers, off their own a court the way

1498
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,720
they have been set up, and play off of others

1499
01:16:57,199 --> 01:16:59,399
the way they can, finish places near the rim the

1500
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,800
way that. They can, SCORE in movement and like i

1501
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,000
know what you're Saying About The defense, And Taron jackson

1502
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:08,640
junior's defense like, i'm not arguing against that but, it's

1503
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,560
the offense for me for those two that is just

1504
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,439
going to be. SO ridiculously, fun to watch i mean

1505
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:20,520
the manner of which those two the intraplate between them

1506
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:25,399
offensively and Just having a guard like keyante who is

1507
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,560
coming into his own who's. Become a very good playmaker

1508
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,479
the optionality he now, has with those two guys like he,

1509
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,239
can play pick and pop pick and. Roll with both

1510
01:17:34,279 --> 01:17:36,640
of them they, can set screens for another they can

1511
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,279
do a, bunch of stuff off ball like the offensive

1512
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:44,520
potential between the two of them Is, OUTRAGEOUSLY.

1513
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,359
Speaker 1: Fun they've put honestly i know people have said this

1514
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,720
that this trade was A vote of confidence in kank or,

1515
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,000
not a vote of confidence but It Was nudged along

1516
01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:55,840
by kante george. Having a season he is it was

1517
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,279
also A Vote Of confidence because jared jackson juniors added

1518
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:01,720
stuff and we haven't seen. It so much this year, But,

1519
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,600
To His from scratch arsenal larry marketIn and him are

1520
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,079
not those guys, and as of right now no one

1521
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:11,239
else on. The Team Is that guy, maybe ACE badly

1522
01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:13,239
long TERM but i have, to i said it before

1523
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,600
you Have to shout Out as badley for just one

1524
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,439
of my, biggest, concerns about him was oh is this

1525
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,399
someone who's gonna be able to fit within a larger

1526
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,880
ecosystem and he's had No. Problems doing it In utah they've, but,

1527
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,319
the Jazz Are saying hey like keante, george isn't just

1528
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,800
this plucky. Upstart fun story this season he is someone

1529
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,079
who's gonna be able To Delineate Touches to, Keep JARON

1530
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:36,840
jackson junior involved and. I think that's the guy i

1531
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,640
want to see how, they use those two together because

1532
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,560
MARKET in is both triple, j and marketing are scalable But.

1533
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,000
MARKETING'S even more scalable offensively i think the comp that

1534
01:18:46,039 --> 01:18:49,600
people throw out is He's Basically. A Seven Foot clay thompson.

1535
01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:53,199
Jaron jackson junior is different like you're gonna need to

1536
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:54,960
put him in the, right spots with a standstill or

1537
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,159
you're gonna need to develop a certain cadence with the way.

1538
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:02,319
You're COMING around his screens I'm I hope one that kiante.

1539
01:19:02,399 --> 01:19:04,079
GEORGE plays a ton still i know he's, dealing WITH

1540
01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:06,680
the ankle injury but i really like you're putting a lot. Of.

1541
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,680
Pressure on his shoulders now had they, made this trade last,

1542
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,880
YEAR just the exact circumstances i would have bet all

1543
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,199
the money in the world of it, blowing UP in

1544
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,439
their Face Because i didn't think. KEANTREY george was that

1545
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,640
dude i also was on record on this podcast at

1546
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,479
the BEGINNING of the year saying I Would. SELL high

1547
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,439
on keiante george i think. THAT take AGED pretty poorly

1548
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,119
i really i don't know if He's Ever gonna. Make

1549
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:29,680
an all star GAME i'm not sure, Where i am

1550
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,680
quite there but, just between the passing improvement, getting to

1551
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,600
the line more and just the general shot selection and,

1552
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,239
the fact that he Too What do you? Like kiante

1553
01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:40,079
george doing better you want him to? Create his own

1554
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:41,760
jump shots or do you like it when he's hitting

1555
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:44,079
spot ups and if he's able to do the spot

1556
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:47,119
up stuff or some. Of the, MOVEMENT things too this team,

1557
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,520
i think might be no maybe it is its own

1558
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,800
science experiment to where you're gonna look at this roster

1559
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,000
is sort of Just Like a, fully cooked washington wizard's

1560
01:19:56,039 --> 01:19:58,039
team or it's you might not be, able, to point

1561
01:19:58,119 --> 01:20:00,640
and say well, this is our tenth pole the guy

1562
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,359
who is definitely going to be the, Best player on

1563
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,479
a contender but we've got like four to five guys

1564
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,960
who could be the second or third best. Player on

1565
01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:10,359
a title team and that's, HOW it all comes together.

1566
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna See The real value. In keanta

1567
01:20:15,079 --> 01:20:18,479
george next year. I'm pretty high on HIM one of

1568
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,199
the numbers i saw bandied about some time ago was

1569
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,560
the fact that he's really been. Struggling on the corner

1570
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,159
threes like last year he was hitting them. AT a

1571
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:29,439
pretty high percentage i think it was like fifty percent.

1572
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,880
Or something along those lines this. Year it's been under

1573
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,840
forty so like there's probably going to be some return,

1574
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:43,279
To norm in that way and like when he refines his,

1575
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:45,600
shot quality a little bit when, HE refines like the

1576
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:51,439
accuracy i would not be against the idea that he.

1577
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,840
Might be, the guy there like again we had to see.

1578
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,079
It within a winning ecosystem we have to see it

1579
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,520
in a way where it, games matter every. Single, game

1580
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,199
every single day, like because let's be real of the

1581
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:07,159
forty eight, games he's played this year how many, of

1582
01:21:07,239 --> 01:21:11,199
them have really, mattered have been high importance have been? Playoff?

1583
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:15,640
Context type of games none, so, That's, The next step

1584
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,920
right like i'm not closing the door. On him being.

1585
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,920
That guy so we'll see we'll. Figure out everything next,

1586
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:27,039
year because the expectation, level as you perfectly outlined has.

1587
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:30,600
Raised significantly for next year this. Is the last tanking

1588
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,079
year wherever, they get in. The draft this is it

1589
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:34,760
this is going to be the team that they're going

1590
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,600
to run with. The next couple of years kiante's twenty

1591
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,000
six to twenty seven year is low key going to

1592
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:46,560
be the most important. THING for them NEXT year i would.

1593
01:21:46,399 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: Feel i think he's probably still the. Player you feel

1594
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,479
best about if you're looking for someone to hit a frum,

1595
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,640
scratch jumper on this Team It, probably still is kiante

1596
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,560
george BUT there's a chance That I feel better, about

1597
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,560
ace ball doing that or maybe. Whoever they draft this year,

1598
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,239
that's the other thing too is they're just Gonna add

1599
01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:07,000
another high draft i'm assuming, they keep their draft pick add,

1600
01:22:07,079 --> 01:22:10,079
that Guy In the program And ace bailey is quietly it's,

1601
01:22:10,119 --> 01:22:12,399
not a huge sample size but he's shooting forty three,

1602
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,600
percent on what is it forty. Two unassisted Three Point

1603
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,359
attempts so the kante george has always been and he's

1604
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:21,439
made improvements with the shot selection that he can. Hit

1605
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,279
some just. Ridiculous shots it's absolutely insane. That's THE one

1606
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:27,439
uneasy thing but i think that you just have so

1607
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,479
much offensive talent and The Coach, you have in will

1608
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,159
hardy whereas you're not relying on someone to generate all. These,

1609
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:34,560
things out of nothing anyway that there's gonna be a

1610
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,960
lot of ball and, body movement to begin with it

1611
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:39,479
papers over. If that, is a deficiency and again. This

1612
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,720
team is young Enough, when you're looking at George when

1613
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,960
you're looking At bailey bright sense of bob. Maybe he

1614
01:22:44,119 --> 01:22:46,520
was the answer who knows moret when you're looking at

1615
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,000
this year's when you're looking, at this year's draft pick.

1616
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,640
It's not an alarming thing it's just something that it's.

1617
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,399
It's just, something to monitor but there depending on. What

1618
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,039
the roster looks like i'm already planning on. HITTING there

1619
01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:00,600
OVER next year i just i don't know if you

1620
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,760
can name a win total as. Long as it's under

1621
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,520
fifty that wouldn't convince me to. Hit the over right

1622
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,640
now and, just to close, This up because You Know

1623
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,800
i'm not, a JARON jackson junior fan. But i will

1624
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,840
say this he wins you, games in the regular season

1625
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,039
and that is not something that you. Should sweep under

1626
01:23:19,079 --> 01:23:19,399
the ruck.

1627
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:24,159
Speaker 2: That is a, substantial element and for them they've been

1628
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,039
so poor in just in terms of squeezing out. Wins

1629
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:29,479
for a long time now for him to come in

1630
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,000
starting next year obviously and just has them being, competitive

1631
01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:38,840
in the regular season that's that's that's the best. Starting,

1632
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,159
POINT they can have like i still have major question

1633
01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:45,560
marks in terms of his capability in the postseason because

1634
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,159
he is not one of those guys who. Steps up

1635
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:50,880
in the Postseason He's, like the anti donnovan, mitchell like

1636
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:56,960
he Goes Down. But the ANTI donovan MITCHELL but like

1637
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:01,399
i just i want it on the record that for

1638
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,039
him to go to a place that that is in

1639
01:24:04,119 --> 01:24:06,479
dire need of actually squeezing out, wins in the regular

1640
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,960
season he. Will help them do that that this, is

1641
01:24:11,039 --> 01:24:13,720
high praise FOR me you know? How i feel about him.

1642
01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:15,880
Can this is high praise.

1643
01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:20,039
Speaker 1: Over under six point five rebounds per thirty six minutes

1644
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:21,920
for the rest of the year for him be, taking

1645
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:26,359
the over the. UNDER it's his career average. I think

1646
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:27,680
right around there.

1647
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 2: I, Want, to be, happy TODAY dan because like look

1648
01:24:32,079 --> 01:24:34,640
i my. HEALTH is could right now i want to

1649
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,760
SAY a little bit over i? Should know what screw

1650
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,319
it six point six per thirty six for. The rest,

1651
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:43,079
OF the season come. On jjj proved me wrong.

1652
01:24:43,399 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: It does feel like they have him on sort of,

1653
01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:49,279
a twenty five minute, limit and so in theory although

1654
01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:51,920
that's like not too many few more minutes, than he would,

1655
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,399
typically play but in theory, if he's gonna play less

1656
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,119
it should be if he could just grab like more

1657
01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:58,439
more boards in, a finite period of time it should

1658
01:24:58,439 --> 01:24:59,840
be able to boost. That total a little bit i'll

1659
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,520
Take over to, he's at this is funny he's at

1660
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:08,119
six point five through his. First couple get Per Thirty who's?

1661
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:11,600
Our Next? WESTERN conference team MORE so i.

1662
01:25:12,399 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 2: Won't BEFORE i say this because i don't know if.

1663
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,560
We Should go into them can can we talk about a?

1664
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,159
Team who didn't do anything and that's kind of interesting?

1665
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:22,640
At the same time? Disappointing is that a? Thing, OR

1666
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,279
do WE only okay i think i, know Who. You're,

1667
01:25:25,279 --> 01:25:26,279
GONNA pick the.

1668
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:32,199
Speaker 1: Spurs no, i went disappointed YOU'RE disappointed you're gonna Turn

1669
01:25:32,279 --> 01:25:33,159
i said to. A, SPURS talk.

1670
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:36,399
Speaker 2: AT something yeah i. Am i was disappointed here this

1671
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:41,399
team is good enough. To LEAN into something like i'm

1672
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,560
i understand the rationale in terms of we didn't, like

1673
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,159
what was out there we didn't, like the cost all,

1674
01:25:48,279 --> 01:25:52,279
RIGHT to a certain extent. I can see that notion

1675
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:56,279
but as good as they are the teams, that they've

1676
01:25:56,359 --> 01:26:01,840
beaten this year the, roster structure that they have is

1677
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,319
it not a Little bit what's, the word i'm looking

1678
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:11,000
for scaredy cati ish to not, go in and like yeah.

1679
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: BUT like they have the i believe that's the. Scientific.

1680
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,600
Term for scientific term yeah they Have The expiring contract

1681
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:18,960
of kelly.

1682
01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:22,159
Speaker 2: Link that They Didn't use they. Like harrison barnes as

1683
01:26:22,199 --> 01:26:26,560
well THEY have draft picks like i that you also wanted,

1684
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,039
to trade away so hand like that was the thing

1685
01:26:29,079 --> 01:26:33,199
they worked together on a. Trade They that didn't materialize i'm, i'm,

1686
01:26:33,279 --> 01:26:36,439
Just a little disappointed man like when we're doing Live

1687
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:41,039
coverage or READ a, EUROSPORT place where i work i

1688
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,520
had them as ONE of the loosers because i. Expected

1689
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,880
them to do something, The fact that they didn't i'm just?

1690
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,439
What's the end game here because you were presumably thinking

1691
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,079
they were going to. Make a run this year, THE

1692
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:54,239
way they looked right.

1693
01:26:56,319 --> 01:26:58,279
Speaker 1: I just you don't think They're Looking at it as,

1694
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,680
Steph castle's in year, Two B's in year three, dylan

1695
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,399
harper's in year one that they wanted, to give those

1696
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,720
guys time and It's Sort Of what the oklahoma city

1697
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,439
thunder did, before, they, went for it was well. Let's

1698
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,000
see what this group we haven't seen. Them in the

1699
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,000
PLAYOFFS yet this is even. I think, it would be

1700
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,359
to me it makes more, sense they did some things

1701
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,560
But it would be more i'd be more Focused on

1702
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,319
a team like detroit to where we've seen a lot

1703
01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:25,239
of their young, guys in the, playoffs already to where well?

1704
01:27:25,239 --> 01:27:27,760
Why didn't they? Do right and we. Did that's a

1705
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,640
good one that might have been A Lack Of opportunity

1706
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,880
if michael porter Junior, Wasn't available with the spurs like

1707
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,039
what did you want them to so like some of

1708
01:27:36,079 --> 01:27:39,199
the Bigger Moves, Would Have Been, Trey, murphy michael porter

1709
01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:42,720
junior giannis they were never going. To do that correct

1710
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,119
season what would have been like a name or a

1711
01:27:45,239 --> 01:27:47,960
move that you would have? Liked To, Have SEEN them all.

1712
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 2: Right so i understand that, he comes with you know he's,

1713
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,920
he's not A Perfect, wing but so DeAndre hunter he

1714
01:27:55,079 --> 01:27:58,800
was on the market obviously someone who has and You said.

1715
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,439
This in, the east episode, you know big wing size

1716
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,560
someone who is like a real six eight who can

1717
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,359
score from the outside and put the ball on the.

1718
01:28:07,359 --> 01:28:10,159
Floor someone of that ilk i'm not asking them to

1719
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,359
Go Out. And get an all star, but like on

1720
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,399
the wing, they're a little. Bit short they're not huge

1721
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,159
they don't really have that prototypical, Wing Guy like you.

1722
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:23,359
Know Devin Vessel six' five the harrison barnes is like

1723
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,600
six' eight. Playing almost, Full Time power for it you

1724
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,600
know julian champagne is a real, sized wing in terms

1725
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,000
of six eight but like he's, more of a guy

1726
01:28:33,079 --> 01:28:36,079
who's not pigeonhole BUT he's. Sort of a three and.

1727
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:38,640
D guy and that's roughly about it i feel, As

1728
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,399
Though They need more size there like kelton johnson's. SIX'

1729
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,800
five place bigger, than HE is i will grant him

1730
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,039
that but i was disappointed in the fact that they

1731
01:28:47,079 --> 01:28:50,279
didn't GO out and bolster their wing dipped because. I

1732
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:53,439
do think there is a lack there i wonder how

1733
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:54,359
much of that had to do.

1734
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:59,279
Speaker 1: WITH what was the wing market for Them I just

1735
01:28:59,359 --> 01:29:02,199
don't like, because you like naji marshall as, an example

1736
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:03,960
might have made some sense here but you're probably looking

1737
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,720
for someone who's. Giving, you more. Spacing than you would.

1738
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 2: Have, Yeah That's why look and to your point DeAndre

1739
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,560
hunter did not have great shooting or isn't having a

1740
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,600
great shooting year from three and that might also be

1741
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,600
a key factor on, Why some teams, LIKE wasn't interested

1742
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,199
in him but historically speaking i, Would TRUST him as

1743
01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:27,680
a three point shooter. Like, I wouldn't be discouraged by

1744
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,000
this year yeah i MEAN even going to they would

1745
01:29:30,039 --> 01:29:30,319
have been i.

1746
01:29:30,319 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Don't Know what it cost to get him andrew Wiggins

1747
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:34,600
Probably would have been upgrade, over the harrison barnment is right.

1748
01:29:35,079 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 2: For example like that's thinking outside the box that That's

1749
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,079
the type, of person or, PLAYER that i'm looking for

1750
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,840
and all all i was just left a little bewildered

1751
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,560
by the fact. That THEY like they're thirty six and.

1752
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:52,199
SIXTEEN it's i understand your point, of, view i can

1753
01:29:52,399 --> 01:29:55,520
buy the argument that hey. They just want to like,

1754
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,920
see what's up but at the, same time With, all

1755
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,720
the taw, about oh you know wemby given the size

1756
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,239
he's probably gonna walk into missing. Twenty five games every

1757
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,840
single year with injuries and then this was the first

1758
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,199
year where we actually saw. Like legitimate injuries pile up

1759
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:16,520
here and there perhaps that. Would, have, accelerated, their timeline

1760
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,279
a little bit going oh oh perhaps. We don't have

1761
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,159
five years to build something perhaps. We actually, HAVE to

1762
01:30:23,279 --> 01:30:26,399
do something right now like look i, Can be too.

1763
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,159
HARSH on. THEM for this that's totally fine.

1764
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 1: I was i was just.

1765
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,079
Speaker 2: A little disappointed i thought. They'd do something you know.

1766
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: What IT is it's all relative to expectations because. I

1767
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,000
just assumed they were gonna do nothing it was fun

1768
01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:40,640
to put them as. A team that they, COULD go

1769
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,399
do this i really if you i don't even know if.

1770
01:30:43,399 --> 01:30:46,359
We did anything along the lines, of predictions If you

1771
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:50,000
would have asked me do the spurs trade for, somebody in,

1772
01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:52,680
THE top eight of their rotation let's. Say i probably,

1773
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:56,239
would have given you no no Logic Dictates oh could

1774
01:30:56,279 --> 01:30:59,880
you have turned? The kelly olynic salary slot into so

1775
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,800
else not, give up a core member of. Your rotation

1776
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,119
but turn it into something. ELSE but that's just not

1777
01:31:05,239 --> 01:31:07,800
how they operate i think that they're. GONNA gauge, how

1778
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,520
the playoffs go this season i look they've a top

1779
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,119
seven point DIFFERENTIAL, against the top ten teams in the

1780
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:16,239
nba a winning record. TEN and eight against those teams, as,

1781
01:31:16,279 --> 01:31:19,239
well i think it's fair to say well let's. See

1782
01:31:19,279 --> 01:31:23,199
what this looks like in, THE playoffs but, to undermine

1783
01:31:23,239 --> 01:31:26,239
my own point I don't know if you're a team

1784
01:31:26,279 --> 01:31:28,079
and i'm about, to talk about another. One that did

1785
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:30,600
nothing i'mbout throw out There If you're, WATCHING what's going

1786
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,560
on in Oklahoma city, lately I know They Traded for jared,

1787
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,039
McCain and I know jalen. Williams is back but now shay.

1788
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:39,199
Is injured they've just been so banged. Up the offensive

1789
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:41,199
points has been so uneven they should still. Be THE

1790
01:31:41,239 --> 01:31:43,479
prohibitive favors to win it all but i, don't think

1791
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,560
you get to play the well this. Is just this year's.

1792
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,560
A four gone, conclusion they're an inevitability card they might

1793
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,039
BE but they haven't seemed as inevitable as i painted them,

1794
01:31:53,079 --> 01:31:54,920
to be when they were you know what it looked

1795
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:56,239
like they were going to be. Seventy, four AND eight

1796
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:57,119
OR whatever, it was.

1797
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:02,399
Speaker 2: YEAH you i just i think like overall i was,

1798
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:07,119
thinking of the swap With, the swap pick The swap option,

1799
01:32:07,319 --> 01:32:08,920
with atlanta right and the kelly?

1800
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:11,520
Speaker 1: Think like what could that? Have gotten them couldn't that

1801
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,359
have done something because. Then you Didn't give up, a,

1802
01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:16,039
core piece, but, what i'm asking you though is? What,

1803
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:19,000
like Do You have a name then though because andrew wiggins,

1804
01:32:19,039 --> 01:32:23,439
would Have Costed you A Lot of money like? Telton, johnson, Or?

1805
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:24,640
Harrison barnes is going out?

1806
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,279
Speaker 2: YEAH right barnes could. YOU live With, THAT i think,

1807
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:31,520
you could, i love, barnes i really do super professional

1808
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:36,640
but like Is He as crucial? TO that formation As

1809
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,119
Andrew wiggins would be i.

1810
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: Think that andrew wiggins would be an upgrade, but, it's

1811
01:32:43,119 --> 01:32:45,720
at that point are they saying like is? The calculat

1812
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,000
what we, need to give UP and first of all

1813
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,640
it does. Even i don't know what the heater thinking

1814
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,479
i'm not we're not going to, talk about them because they're,

1815
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,640
boring as hell but right they're just like would they've

1816
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:57,520
even Done It? For a? First round? Pick in? Harrison

1817
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:01,039
barnes who knows that's fair All right you seemas up

1818
01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:05,119
another team that i'm fascinated by because they should. Have

1819
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:07,840
Done Something, and, they instead did nothing the houston rockets

1820
01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:12,279
right Their Justification has Basically been The injuries to steven

1821
01:33:12,319 --> 01:33:17,920
adams and, fred van fleet impacted, their level of activity which.

1822
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,520
IS to say inactivity at the trade deadline i would

1823
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,039
just like to go on. The record as saying That That's,

1824
01:33:23,079 --> 01:33:27,319
a farce you don't trade for kevin durant who is

1825
01:33:27,399 --> 01:33:30,359
closer to his fortieth birthday, at this point than his thirty,

1826
01:33:30,359 --> 01:33:32,439
fifth birthday or, split right down, the middle whatever it

1827
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,920
is and say like. We, can't really go for it

1828
01:33:35,039 --> 01:33:38,199
this season stop it's cool. That you have him under

1829
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:41,319
contract moving forward look at. It like this is you're.

1830
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:43,439
SUPPOSED to be you don't make that, trade i understand

1831
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,560
the opportunity. Cost was reasonable you should, have done something

1832
01:33:47,079 --> 01:33:51,680
and the kind of, gradual at times precipitous demise. OF

1833
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,920
their offense it's been brutal to, watch i Saw a,

1834
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,920
lot of media members even like rockets, fans saying they

1835
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,840
need to get. Another big they need to booy. THE

1836
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,680
defense i'm still looking at this, team i don't know

1837
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,279
how they're Gonna Score aside from giving the ball to

1838
01:34:06,359 --> 01:34:09,079
kevin durant, and praying ONCE they get to the postseason

1839
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:11,159
and That's i. Say that As An, alpern shan, gun,

1840
01:34:11,239 --> 01:34:15,439
FAN them, to shepherd homer Come on right i, mean

1841
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,439
that's well reach shepherd is the answer but will. He

1842
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:18,960
be on the floor. In crunch time it's just the

1843
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,840
real question houston is Twenty third. In points scored per

1844
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,640
possession since january first the other thing, is is now

1845
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,960
this is on the season there Was a point where

1846
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,640
their first. CHANCE offense i'm not the offensive rebounding stuff

1847
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,479
i think, it can still be important in the playoffs.

1848
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,119
But it's, probably easier to, game plan around and now

1849
01:34:37,239 --> 01:34:38,399
by the way a Lot Of. It, goes out the

1850
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:42,560
window without steven adams there their first CHANCE to offense

1851
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,840
at one, point this season i think was like third

1852
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:47,800
the third. Most efficient first chance, offense in the league

1853
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,720
more on the year. It's already now dropped Inside the

1854
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:54,560
bottom ten how do you not i'm not saying We

1855
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,479
Got well actually by a lot, of, houston, rockets fans

1856
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,640
and blog people saying yo There we've Gone over a

1857
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,600
million times why fred van fleet won't. Get traded he

1858
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,479
has the no trade clause we're just throwing out hypotheticals

1859
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,600
as could you send him to a, team that's willing

1860
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,439
to give him another contract or that. He Might like

1861
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,359
to have made an upgrade but i'm not even saying it.

1862
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:15,600
Needed to have been that dramatic, go out don't get,

1863
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,920
a primary ball Handler Get some fucking shooting so that

1864
01:35:19,039 --> 01:35:21,039
if jabari smith is going through a stretch where he's

1865
01:35:21,039 --> 01:35:23,439
shooting thirty Two percent from beyond the arc or read

1866
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,079
shepherd for reasons unbeknownst us to shooting, under thirty two

1867
01:35:27,079 --> 01:35:30,039
percent from beyond the arc that you don't feel. Like you're,

1868
01:35:30,119 --> 01:35:34,239
as debilitated on the offensive, End, And man if you

1869
01:35:34,279 --> 01:35:36,039
gave me truth SEIER and there are probably some takes

1870
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:37,720
that I could fire off about this team, that i'm

1871
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,279
not going to do right now but it is a,

1872
01:35:39,399 --> 01:35:42,960
problem that one game is a flashball moment. And it's

1873
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:46,000
we've seen Sprinklings of it beforehand but the way the

1874
01:35:46,119 --> 01:35:49,399
spurs to call back to them, defended them in their

1875
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:53,039
Latest Game against, Them where you're gonna ignore aman thompson

1876
01:35:53,119 --> 01:35:55,760
completely so that one like that. Is GONNA be an

1877
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:59,119
issue in, the, playoffs and i understand the perspective of

1878
01:35:59,239 --> 01:36:02,399
well there was no trade that, was going to fix

1879
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,960
this at? The deadline WHO were they going to get

1880
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:06,520
we threw I Thought They would Have been a fun

1881
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,199
michael porter junior team rockets. FANS basically wanted me, dead

1882
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,640
for saying that i think. That's fine but you needed

1883
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,199
to do something are, you just sitting here saying this,

1884
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,119
is yeah we might win a playoff. SERIES and that's

1885
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:22,039
enough for Us This, YEAR i just after trading for

1886
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:25,640
kevin durant i think the kindest. WAY to frame that

1887
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,680
would be anti climactic, i understand they still have options

1888
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:32,760
moving forward that a lot of these guys. Have Yet

1889
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:37,000
to even really enter their, prime kevin durant is thirty

1890
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,800
seven years old and he is closer. To HIS thirty

1891
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:42,960
fifth birthday, than his fortieth so i stand. Corrected there

1892
01:36:44,079 --> 01:36:47,800
he is thirty. Seven years old, there is no. Next

1893
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:51,479
season season after, that, There might BE you're GUARANTEED this

1894
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,920
season right and So i. Just i don't, even know.

1895
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:58,079
IF i'm mad i'm not mad they're not. I don't have.

1896
01:36:58,119 --> 01:36:59,880
A rooting INTEREST in them i'm not Mad i'm just.

1897
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,079
Speaker 2: I guess you sound.

1898
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:06,159
Speaker 1: That i'm, Violently perplexed is what it. Is, ferociously perplexed,

1899
01:37:06,279 --> 01:37:09,199
that's really what it. Is oh you know the first.

1900
01:37:09,239 --> 01:37:12,359
Apron concern you could have still made moves. This is

1901
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,319
not like we don't need To this is why you.

1902
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:16,359
Have salary cap guruz in the front office you just

1903
01:37:16,399 --> 01:37:19,399
couldn't take. Back basically MORE money than you sent out and,

1904
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,800
so i don't know who the name was but you

1905
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,880
couldn't tell me that they could, have just went out

1906
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,479
and gotten a shooter like just if someone had thrown

1907
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,359
her even, if, It, helps you during the regular season

1908
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,439
preferably yes it'd be nice if they, got someone who

1909
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:33,880
would play in the playoffs but to just go. Get

1910
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,760
some Shooting To. Open Up the floor so that's shangon.

1911
01:37:37,159 --> 01:37:40,680
THOMPSON even DURANT have more space to operate i just

1912
01:37:41,359 --> 01:37:43,920
i understand if they're waiting to make a bigger Read

1913
01:37:44,359 --> 01:37:47,199
On This core until the summer when jabari smith junior,

1914
01:37:47,279 --> 01:37:48,880
is worth more money on the, Trade Market when they

1915
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,279
have to go through amen thompson an extension where you

1916
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:53,279
just have a full. Season's worth of sample size under,

1917
01:37:53,319 --> 01:37:56,319
The belt But if The Issue, is well fred van

1918
01:37:56,399 --> 01:37:59,439
fliet and steven adams neither, of whom are even close

1919
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:02,319
to their. Prime got injured? AND that's WHAT sunk us

1920
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:06,239
why'd you like i just, i don't Buy that. As

1921
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:10,279
a Viable excuse is all i'm saying bread van, FLEET

1922
01:38:10,359 --> 01:38:12,800
for being so important to. This team i think that's

1923
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,880
absolutely spot on that doesn't mean that you just don't

1924
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,119
try to augment yourself in paper over set or fill some.

1925
01:38:19,279 --> 01:38:22,159
Of your, Biggest voids at the trade deadline you again.

1926
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,039
I'm going to End This. ALL thrown you they traded

1927
01:38:25,079 --> 01:38:27,079
for kevin durant. I just feel like that's a tacit.

1928
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:30,359
ADMISSION they should have operated with more urgency i would

1929
01:38:30,359 --> 01:38:35,840
agree with, that they're in a tough spot for well a.

1930
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,720
Lot of issues Are a lot of reasons the fact that,

1931
01:38:39,399 --> 01:38:43,239
Bendlid Is at twenty five, million not Playing, steven Adams

1932
01:38:43,279 --> 01:38:47,199
At fourteen one not playing, dawn and phinney smith twelve

1933
01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:51,079
point seven million has played what. Twenty games this year

1934
01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:55,239
and has been dreadful there's so much, dead money on,

1935
01:38:55,359 --> 01:38:58,239
their cap in that way Not, you know literal debt

1936
01:38:58,279 --> 01:39:02,760
money as in milwaukee but just it's fifty plus million

1937
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:07,159
in salary that is either unplayable due, to injury or.

1938
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,239
Unplayable to to you know LACK. Of impact let's just

1939
01:39:11,319 --> 01:39:18,079
be real with dfs? So where does that secondary helpline,

1940
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:22,760
come from like you won't find it internally. YOU have

1941
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,680
to go out and get it i don't KNOW which

1942
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:27,560
deals were on the same what, I do agree with

1943
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,880
you that this year i mean as soon as, they

1944
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,960
trained for drand that clock Was ticking that Was, the

1945
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,399
same situation as cleveland's in with harden whereas you don't

1946
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:40,920
have time to go out and do whatever and build up.

1947
01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:45,479
Like you have to react to it immediately the fact

1948
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:49,600
that they stood Still didn't go OUT and find more.

1949
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,560
Dept at virtually just i don't Even, care that could Be. Depth,

1950
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:54,119
at the guard It.

1951
01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Could Be. Dept wing could be, a Dept of, BAY

1952
01:39:56,159 --> 01:39:59,960
they they need something and i'm honestly. I just don't care.

1953
01:40:00,039 --> 01:40:02,840
About the positional need they. Just need Help they need,

1954
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:06,840
help able bodies when cam, thomas, was, waived, he, was the,

1955
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,640
guy no no no no.

1956
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,159
Speaker 1: No let's. KNOW let's not get carried Away let's.

1957
01:40:11,399 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 2: You i know you Don't, like look.

1958
01:40:13,039 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 1: YOU you don't LIKE cam thomas that's fine i. Don't like.

1959
01:40:15,079 --> 01:40:18,039
Speaker 2: Jjj, Were we have. OUR thing that's fine well i'll

1960
01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:20,840
accept that, i still think he would have been something

1961
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,720
someone who. Who. COULD just absorb shots which they need

1962
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:29,640
uh i agree with, you THAT this was a very

1963
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,279
inactive deadline and i Think. THAT'S a slap in the

1964
01:40:32,319 --> 01:40:34,600
face for katie i. WONDER what he thinks about it

1965
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:35,680
long term.

1966
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 1: I THAT'S A that's A really good, QUESTION but i,

1967
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,319
I think i would. ALSO i don't know, i PROBABLY

1968
01:40:44,359 --> 01:40:46,560
respect it i would respect it but i Would Understand

1969
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:48,800
it more if it was man reed shepherd just, played

1970
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,119
forty minutes and that's what they're doing and they decided that,

1971
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:53,439
this is really this is that's not happening and he.

1972
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,359
Has NOT been shooting the ball well Lately So i get,

1973
01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:59,000
it as one of reed shepherd's. Foremost fans but you're

1974
01:40:59,039 --> 01:41:01,720
not even doing that and, so it's just you look

1975
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,239
at the start, like their most used core five right

1976
01:41:04,279 --> 01:41:06,800
now like the way that that at the way that that.

1977
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:10,760
Unit at points can struggle to generate Offense Like, On The,

1978
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:14,159
Season It's, Been like aman thompson kevin durant al pern

1979
01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:17,600
shangoun on the, court one twenty. Eight point six offensive

1980
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,560
rating that's pretty good you start, sprinkling some of these

1981
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,159
other guys into. There and the offense just gets super Rough,

1982
01:41:24,359 --> 01:41:28,279
and so you have the outlines of. OKAY this could this, Could,

1983
01:41:28,279 --> 01:41:31,359
in theory work i find myself wondering, yeah probably would

1984
01:41:31,359 --> 01:41:34,680
have cost you pick Equity but couldn't you stacked, some

1985
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:36,680
of these maybe he was too expensive but couldn't you

1986
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,520
stack Some Of these contracts together and gotten to anthony

1987
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,439
simon's money expiring deal doesn't end up, hurting your long

1988
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:45,720
term and that's You Know maybe that's, not a player

1989
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:47,800
that emoo dooka Necessarily likes and it seems like he

1990
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,720
likes al. Prinshang gun, on most nights at, this point either,

1991
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:53,680
so and if not him to Your Point could they

1992
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:56,960
have just been the kevin? Herder team just to get

1993
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,680
to that point just the guy he has not shot

1994
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,319
the ball well what feels like forever at least the theory. Of,

1995
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:04,159
IT has, played out in the past yeah i.

1996
01:42:04,199 --> 01:42:07,119
Speaker 2: Mean you have four guys averaging over thirty four minutes

1997
01:42:07,159 --> 01:42:10,800
per game that's also going, to take its toll before.

1998
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:16,399
ENTERING the postseason like you need something? Else i? Don't

1999
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,359
ENVY their position right NOW is it am i Being

2000
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,680
unfair when i sort of have the ROCKETS in like

2001
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:27,479
a mental. Irrelevant, GROUP where I just, Don't CONSIDER them

2002
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:32,199
yeah i mean i'm sorry like i just don't consider?

2003
01:42:32,319 --> 01:42:35,760
Them a threat? To virtually anyone? This year is that?

2004
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,199
Speaker 1: Fair is that unfair is that?

2005
01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 2: Too harsh?

2006
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 1: They? JUST have. SO much talent they. Do yeah i

2007
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,680
don't i can't say not so?

2008
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 2: DO you think.

2009
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,399
Speaker 1: They want a playoff series i.

2010
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Did heavily it. DEPEND on, who, you're matching up against.

2011
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,079
Speaker 1: Fair i mean, also they're not gonna fall out of

2012
01:42:58,119 --> 01:43:00,680
it but they're Only Three. Losses ahead of. The seventh

2013
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:04,079
place Phoenix, suns The, like There if you're The, LAKERS

2014
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:06,479
the rockets, THE timberwolves Are the suns, i WOULD say

2015
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:08,439
i know, denver's not, Healthy but i just trust them

2016
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,600
right man i'd be one of those teams is going

2017
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,239
to be In. The play in and logic dictates its phoenix.

2018
01:43:15,319 --> 01:43:17,920
But WHAT if it just isn't mm hmm.

2019
01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:21,119
Speaker 2: And i, Don't want to, play all my hits today

2020
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:26,319
Dan So Like but. Need more out of jabari Smith,

2021
01:43:26,399 --> 01:43:29,800
junior two they just need more more yeah definitely.

2022
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:31,520
Speaker 1: More consistency ON the, OFFENSIVE end for.

2023
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,600
Speaker 2: Sure It's just i MEAN i for a While I've

2024
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:38,159
said That. I would have paid tarry easton over jabari nothing.

2025
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,680
THIS year has led Me, to think otherwise i.

2026
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: Look by the way shout out to him because In the,

2027
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,960
games that he's played since jacking way, first he's still

2028
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:50,159
Forty Seven percent from three while everybody else kevin durant

2029
01:43:50,199 --> 01:43:52,520
at a, very freezing cold thirty SEVEN point Two percent

2030
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:56,880
albrinchanngon sub. Twenty four am and thompson twenty. Four percent that.

2031
01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:00,079
Actually feels, HIGH for Him jabari thirty. Two My, god i.

2032
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:06,640
Reached shepherd Thirty One, so joshakogi, HE'S normalized you Mentioned

2033
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,760
Doran Oh my god i didn't really dorrin. Phiney smith

2034
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,159
was shooting so poorly from. Three, oh he's been dreadful

2035
01:44:11,239 --> 01:44:14,319
all twenty years. Wait twenty point five? Percent over his

2036
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:15,039
life it's only a?

2037
01:44:15,079 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 2: Seven what Is this?

2038
01:44:16,119 --> 01:44:20,039
Speaker 1: Sixteen GAME sample size that's since. JANUARY one so i

2039
01:44:20,119 --> 01:44:21,520
knew he was. Bad i didn't realize it was. That,

2040
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:26,359
bad so That? Is that's rough stuff yeah who's YOUR uh, they,

2041
01:44:26,399 --> 01:44:28,239
should have done something and I Mean look They're losing

2042
01:44:28,279 --> 01:44:31,800
the Minutes That durant thompson and, shanghun play without STEVEN

2043
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:34,359
adams on, the. COURT and That's Just, i DON'T know

2044
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:36,760
man i love steven adams but i. Just feel like,

2045
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:42,760
he Shouldn't Be. That important my final team THE memphis?

2046
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:43,319
Speaker 2: Grizzlies?

2047
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:47,079
Speaker 1: So, is this. A, wt f pick no.

2048
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 2: NO it's not, no it's not their rebuilding i love

2049
01:44:50,039 --> 01:44:54,199
it like they went from a core that didn't really

2050
01:44:54,359 --> 01:44:57,159
take them anywhere like you started Last year when They

2051
01:44:57,239 --> 01:45:00,520
did the deal with orlando. In the desmond trade.

2052
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:05,720
Speaker 1: Right optimized draft picks That Was Step one they renegotiated

2053
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:08,199
and extended jaron jackson junior because that, made him more,

2054
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:12,720
APPARENTLY attracted to outside, seams which fair enough, i don't

2055
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:14,720
get it but there we are and they actually were

2056
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:15,680
able to squeeze out.

2057
01:45:16,079 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 2: Draft. Equity and get him off the books Love That,

2058
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,800
next step is going to be, john moran and they've

2059
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:25,600
already been you know it's been reported that they're not going.

2060
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:29,199
To think about. The destination on his behalf they don't

2061
01:45:29,239 --> 01:45:32,359
care they are acting as a, really in the organization

2062
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,520
where they're basically saying, we don't care where you want

2063
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,880
to go where you're sending your. ASS to wherever we

2064
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:40,760
can get most, value, i, Respect the hell out of

2065
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:44,279
that because frankly i'm getting A little tired of the

2066
01:45:44,319 --> 01:45:47,680
Superstar GOING well i want to go, to team, x

2067
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,520
and the team responding by oh really? Really, you want

2068
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,560
you want to. Go, there, well we'll try to.

2069
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,560
Speaker 1: Facilitate that no no think ab of yourself IF you

2070
01:45:57,640 --> 01:45:59,960
can get something more from its cmx.

2071
01:46:00,279 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 2: And then you. Send that player in supergatory that's you're

2072
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,840
right that is the, contract that he signed where that

2073
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,560
is tradable so LIKE do what's best for. You as,

2074
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:12,640
an nba organization all day long, Like hell that's why

2075
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:14,760
the whole You know joannis wants to go to the

2076
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,079
knicks If. He ever Wanted to go to the knicks

2077
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:21,079
LIKE if milwaukee, gets a Ridiculous Offer, from i don't know.

2078
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:23,720
The freaking charlotte hornets just pull the trigger, if that's the.

2079
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,439
Best deal you can get it doesn't matter you just

2080
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,399
you shouldn't always have to, consider the thoughts of your

2081
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:33,640
superstar because yeah you might. Hurt your, reputation for a

2082
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:36,880
year or, so all right it's a year or two

2083
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:40,560
and then everyone's. Moved on because. Everyone Has a short memory,

2084
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,680
in this, League the christians are just like screw it

2085
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:45,720
we're gonna send guys. TO where we, can get. The

2086
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,680
most value i love it love. It they're setting themselves

2087
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,840
up FOR something new YOU. Can, SAY it's a wtf

2088
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:57,920
SITUATION or wtf yeah. I don't know if i agree

2089
01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,880
with that it just. Seems like they are hitting the

2090
01:47:00,039 --> 01:47:02,920
rebuilt button. They have a lot of draft picks incoming.

2091
01:47:03,279 --> 01:47:06,560
They have a lot of interesting. Young guys some Are

2092
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,680
often injured in sechety that's, concerning center coward looks Like,

2093
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:13,800
A real deal and they're so good dan they're so good,

2094
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:18,479
at hitting in like the midsier draft, situations like in,

2095
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:21,920
the fifteen to twenty mark even later on. They're so

2096
01:47:22,079 --> 01:47:25,680
good at nailing those draft. Picks I'M just there for

2097
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,640
that whole thing, it's i love what they're trying to

2098
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:32,640
do just starting over and using draft picks, as a

2099
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:35,119
way to get to. Something new because This Was Never

2100
01:47:35,239 --> 01:47:38,560
Working Out the Job with ran jaron jackson junior desmond.

2101
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:43,159
Bain era was fine and That's About It.

2102
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 1: ARE you a spokesperson for. ROBERT parra and. I don't

2103
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:51,960
know about it i am not i think, this is

2104
01:47:52,399 --> 01:47:55,000
to me they've Had More success but we're kind of

2105
01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:58,079
entering bulls west territory, here where. It's will make the

2106
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:03,359
damn decision all right they slow played this teardown way

2107
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:06,000
too much. And kind, of strung along fans. Throughout that

2108
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:09,560
hey cool you draft really well. You trade like shit

2109
01:48:10,039 --> 01:48:12,479
for the Most Part. You're always your biggest swing. With

2110
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:14,960
marcus smart blew, up In Your, face how many times

2111
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,079
you including marcus smart how many times you? Needed to

2112
01:48:17,239 --> 01:48:21,079
use equity to wipe off Money You've never even if

2113
01:48:21,079 --> 01:48:22,760
you Didn't Think John morant has been baying in jared

2114
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:24,720
jackson junior was good enough to go all out and

2115
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,520
make a really. Huge move around because you didn't want to,

2116
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:30,079
they weren't good enough to justify the cost. Then you

2117
01:48:30,079 --> 01:48:32,039
should have, tore, it down sooner other than that said.

2118
01:48:32,079 --> 01:48:34,680
YEAH we're willing to spend around this team I Don't

2119
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:37,119
love the. Idea that they kept john moran at all rip?

2120
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:39,560
Off the but what is he doing now it's just.

2121
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:42,880
A Distraction because the other two were gone and i'm

2122
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,920
Also Of The mind. What happened with the jared jackson

2123
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,640
junior stuff i've seen people applaud their return for him

2124
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:53,479
because they. Think that, contract is going to age poorly

2125
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,119
you know when, That contract was? Signed last fucking off

2126
01:48:57,199 --> 01:49:01,680
season so what changed he, immediately, had surgery after he

2127
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,279
signed the contract basically so it's not. Like any health

2128
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:09,039
surprising health? Stuff Cropped up, what, was the thinking there

2129
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:12,720
this to me, yes THIS was the right thing to

2130
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:16,680
do but, i DON'T trust them to do it properly

2131
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:20,560
or i don't even necessarily understand because they didn't. Maximize

2132
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:22,600
the error when they were really good it doesn't even

2133
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,119
seem like they're tearing, it down because they're doing it

2134
01:49:25,239 --> 01:49:26,880
in stages and so this is just going to be

2135
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,359
A slow drip and then, You Trade Who i think

2136
01:49:29,399 --> 01:49:31,760
at that point jared jackson. Junior was the crown jewel

2137
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,720
of your franchise how many of those first round picks or?

2138
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:38,800
PROSPECTS that They Got, have very high upside i, love

2139
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,399
taylor hendrix But the answer is one and. IT'S that

2140
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:43,439
phoenix pick in twenty thirty one i guess you could

2141
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,119
talk yourself, Into, The, Most favorable of what? Is IT

2142
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:49,479
utah cleveland minnesota having SOME value but i don't know.

2143
01:49:50,039 --> 01:49:54,880
THIS is i get where you're. COMING from i don't

2144
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,199
love this, at all, i think the setup is choppy

2145
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:01,840
it's disjointed and there's no you don't not everyone enters

2146
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,359
a rebuild so cleanly The way that or We Thought

2147
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,359
That The jazz did by trading donovan, mitchell rudy gobert

2148
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,960
basically in the same offseason. And we know how that's

2149
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,359
played out since but this has been it's just been

2150
01:50:13,399 --> 01:50:17,199
a series of a slow drip. Of Tearing It down

2151
01:50:17,279 --> 01:50:19,960
while lying about it the desmond bane trade Was like

2152
01:50:20,319 --> 01:50:23,560
one of the most, ridiculous justifications i've ever seen in

2153
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,199
my life where it's this is a re orientation and

2154
01:50:26,319 --> 01:50:29,119
we're now more. Prepared, to invest. In this, group moving

2155
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:34,920
forward bullshit that's? That But Them Why if you thought

2156
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,319
so was? Jared jackson junior more valuable on a contract

2157
01:50:38,399 --> 01:50:41,039
people are worried he's going to age poorly or, just

2158
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:43,159
coming into the. SEASON at this season at his current

2159
01:50:43,279 --> 01:50:44,920
number i guess you Could make the case that a

2160
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,199
team like utah never would have traded, For HIM if

2161
01:50:47,239 --> 01:50:49,680
he was entering from agency but i just don't. Think you, have,

2162
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:53,319
enough To show for it and. So yes the grizzlies clearly.

2163
01:50:53,399 --> 01:50:56,800
Weren't going anywhere they were spinning their wheels but they've

2164
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,159
Been spinning their wheels for A while and i've seen

2165
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:01,800
A Lot of the thing that Changed WAS john. Morant

2166
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:04,640
Was no longer an All NBA player. John MORANT was

2167
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,600
last in, all nba player, when.

2168
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:10,079
Speaker 2: I want to say like twenty one right or is it,

2169
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:11,760
THAT'S the better part.

2170
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 1: Of a half decade i might be wrong that.

2171
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 2: WAS just off the top of my, head i don't remember.

2172
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty two twenty two?

2173
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:20,279
Speaker 2: That?

2174
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 1: How, many seasons ago was that for yeah yeah this

2175
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,159
is It took too long to get here. And i'm not,

2176
01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:28,840
saying that they should have and to me it's not even.

2177
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:31,520
That they should have blown this Up faster they never

2178
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:35,920
fully committed to their big three in a way that

2179
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:38,359
would make you suggest that they. Even kind of understood

2180
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:40,760
what they were doing and if it was a self,

2181
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,680
admittance that the group was never good enough well then that's, when,

2182
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,840
you get to criticize them and say well the. Reorientation

2183
01:51:47,079 --> 01:51:50,520
or renovation or restart should have started then if you were,

2184
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:54,239
never convinced That They And by the way you had

2185
01:51:54,319 --> 01:51:57,359
jared jackson junior on a bargain contract for, how many

2186
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,880
is rookie scale into his extension so there was plenty

2187
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,640
of time to take a swing without. Actually, BEING as

2188
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:07,119
expensive as you could, HAVE look.

2189
01:52:07,039 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 2: I agree With All of that i Disagree with your

2190
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,039
bull's west situation because the bulls Didn't even get, a

2191
01:52:13,079 --> 01:52:13,680
freakin first.

2192
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:17,560
Speaker 1: For any you are correct. That was they that was

2193
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:22,079
totally uncalled for there. They're they're infuriating me, AT the

2194
01:52:22,119 --> 01:52:25,079
same Level. And you know what i, respect the bulls

2195
01:52:25,159 --> 01:52:27,359
there's that word respect, again because they're kind of straight

2196
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:29,239
about like, we, just want to be in the? Middle,

2197
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:33,199
right What do we want to first yeah the grizzlies,

2198
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:35,119
want to pretend, that they're, like a heavyweight but oh

2199
01:52:35,239 --> 01:52:37,479
no we can't we. Can't spend or our course not

2200
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,520
good enough it's Gonna Be awesome when they have to

2201
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,880
trade cedric cowherd in a few years because they. Didn't want,

2202
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,680
to spend, To build a contender all right all right, so.

2203
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 2: IF That turns out to be true. Because i i'm,

2204
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:53,319
not there where you are if you are you might.

2205
01:52:53,399 --> 01:52:56,239
Be one year ahead of me, On this and if

2206
01:52:56,359 --> 01:53:00,880
you're right about this i'm gonna just put. Up my

2207
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:04,840
Hands up and. SAY you're Right like that's i'm not

2208
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,439
there i. Think i'm gonna give this one more year

2209
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:10,880
in terms of like. Them acknowledging all right here we

2210
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,479
are rebuilding we are doing this like if they're going

2211
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:15,840
to act as if though. They, are going to be

2212
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,479
a future powerhouse. YEAH that's absolutely that's a load of

2213
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:22,560
croc i. Think THIS is the start of something else like.

2214
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:25,039
I agree with you they waited too long i also

2215
01:53:25,119 --> 01:53:26,560
agree with you That It would be nice to have,

2216
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,319
seen john moran come out the door sooner, because now

2217
01:53:29,399 --> 01:53:32,520
it's gonna be a whole year a whole calendar. Year

2218
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:38,439
in trading three. GUYS like that too seems a little drippy.

2219
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: I think that was.

2220
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:42,640
Speaker 2: The word you used i agree with that i'm still

2221
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:45,319
happy they ripped off, the damn bandage because at the

2222
01:53:45,359 --> 01:53:47,399
same Time Like they were still trotting, out that dan

2223
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:50,680
wine up? All the time like why to? What end

2224
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,279
what were you trying to achieve. There was no upside

2225
01:53:53,319 --> 01:53:55,520
in all of. This IT was a COMPLETE waste of

2226
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,960
time and i agree and i agree with you that

2227
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:59,640
it's waste. Of time not to Do it sooner too

2228
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,399
by the way that i'm not In Disagreement with.

2229
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:07,159
Speaker 1: YOU over so with the john. MORANT thing, i understand

2230
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:08,960
where you're coming from a well don't you don't have to.

2231
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:12,279
Send HIM to where he wants to go but i

2232
01:54:12,319 --> 01:54:15,600
would need to see how bad the offers were that

2233
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,920
you didn't think it was better just. To move him

2234
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:21,039
and be done with it because unless it's a public, relations,

2235
01:54:21,079 --> 01:54:22,640
thing where they don't want Us Say oh we got

2236
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:25,560
Way Less for John Morant Than, we did desmond baine

2237
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:28,840
and sharon Jackson Junior what could you have looking at

2238
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:33,520
john morant's contract versus teams that might have what would what?

2239
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:35,079
Are you trying to do by keeping him are you

2240
01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:37,199
hoping that to reboot his value, AND trade. Him FOR

2241
01:54:37,239 --> 01:54:38,760
more over the offseason.

2242
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 2: I assume so i agree with you that that Was

2243
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,640
a weird, one, because WE saw what trey Went for

2244
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:48,199
right and. I would argue that trey is just better

2245
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:51,960
i understand, His contractual situation played a role in This

2246
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:56,720
But are we sitting here Anticipating that john morand Had

2247
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,880
Offers or the grizzlies had offers on john morand. In,

2248
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:03,119
LIKE the two first round pick range no. I Very

2249
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:07,279
much would be surprised at that so i'm, not SURE

2250
01:55:07,399 --> 01:55:10,520
either what they're holding out for BUT i do hope

2251
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,279
the fact that they i, just, hope they're serious about

2252
01:55:13,439 --> 01:55:15,920
wanting to say, look whatever, it is we're holding out

2253
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,319
for we. Better WE better GET the. BEST of it

2254
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:20,800
like i don't i would i wouldn't want him to

2255
01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:23,039
send him out for like a. Shitty contract that runs

2256
01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:25,319
longer or anything like and, if THOSE were the offers

2257
01:55:25,359 --> 01:55:28,119
on the table then i kind. Of get them just

2258
01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:30,520
hanging on to him but it's going to be, interesting

2259
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:33,000
to see how they're going to try if, they're going

2260
01:55:33,079 --> 01:55:37,920
to try to rehab his value. BECAUSE how how that

2261
01:55:38,119 --> 01:55:40,399
is a, FAIR question i don't.

2262
01:55:40,439 --> 01:55:43,079
Speaker 1: HAVE an answer there i don't, do EITHER i do

2263
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:46,079
have A next Team but i can't decide between portland,

2264
01:55:46,119 --> 01:55:49,680
And phoenix for us to wrap, up, WITH i'm, GONNA

2265
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:55,119
go With come on yeah i, mean I. Think phoenix is,

2266
01:55:55,159 --> 01:55:59,039
probably more fascinating but portland scoot is Back and, They're

2267
01:55:59,239 --> 01:56:03,560
Twenty seventh in all SINCE january first danny avdia. Tracking,

2268
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:06,880
towards all nba consideration at this point still that's a

2269
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:10,560
really big deal if they can generate Just any type

2270
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:13,439
of consistent. Offense, and if scoot helps them Do it

2271
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:16,079
like they're not a team that i'm gonna want to

2272
01:56:16,079 --> 01:56:18,840
face in the play in, or The first first round of,

2273
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:21,560
the playoffs but i'm also interested to. See like their

2274
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,600
ceiling is kind of, capped THERE are three losses behind

2275
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:27,000
eighth place so i don't even know if Their Ceiling

2276
01:56:27,119 --> 01:56:29,760
is Could they get to eight golden state and phoenix

2277
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:31,640
Or the two teams that They're Not catching phoenix there's

2278
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:35,279
six losses behind, golden state's three losses in front of

2279
01:56:35,359 --> 01:56:39,239
them so like that's the defense is still there are

2280
01:56:39,319 --> 01:56:41,359
Nights where it's, Sort, of wax and waynes you're? Wondering

2281
01:56:41,399 --> 01:56:43,680
why okay like why wasn't this better but they. CAN

2282
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,319
really GUM up the works for teams.

2283
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:48,079
Speaker 2: I just.

2284
01:56:49,159 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel about them, i'm TRYING

2285
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:53,199
to figure out what they're Missing and i want to

2286
01:56:53,239 --> 01:56:55,760
see more of scoot caught very little. Of his first

2287
01:56:56,119 --> 01:56:59,039
two games that Were There some of the shot making.

2288
01:56:59,079 --> 01:57:03,119
From shadon sharp lately has, been ABSOLUTELY outrageous the base

2289
01:57:03,239 --> 01:57:06,760
is just there but i don't see and the Fact

2290
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,960
That their offense still treads water. With denny avia as

2291
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,680
part of the equation i've, Been, In my mind, trying

2292
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,359
To figure out okay scoot is, healthy and I'm actually

2293
01:57:15,439 --> 01:57:19,119
asking you this question what is portland's best offensive Lineup

2294
01:57:19,279 --> 01:57:23,279
or what has, the the highest ceiling i'll say Realistic,

2295
01:57:23,319 --> 01:57:24,800
ceiling because you don't Just want To yeah We Could

2296
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,720
throw out scoot and shadeen and denny. Avia, and just

2297
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:27,920
say forget about defense.

2298
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:32,439
Speaker 2: Altogether, OH like their best all Round lineup yeah.

2299
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't have confidence, that scoot would be a member

2300
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:38,039
of it and that's he's coming back from such a

2301
01:57:38,119 --> 01:57:40,000
LONG absence that that's not really a Fair.

2302
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:44,399
Speaker 2: I do think the two way playoff drew. Is too

2303
01:57:44,479 --> 01:57:46,720
alluring for me at. This, Stage like If we're talking

2304
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:50,239
right now, yeah, Drew OVER scoot at THIS present stage

2305
01:57:50,319 --> 01:57:53,920
right like i, can't ignore i can't, ignore it grand

2306
01:57:54,039 --> 01:57:58,279
Either although he's you know for for some i've, spent

2307
01:57:58,399 --> 01:58:00,880
A Lot Of this podcast talking, about like Jared Jackson

2308
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:03,720
junior's lack of, rebounding like that's jeremy grant for his

2309
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:07,079
career just ONE. Of THE most miserable rebounders in. THE

2310
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:10,960
nba but i can't ignore the defense i can't ignore the,

2311
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,159
Fact that he's hitting thirty eight On Threes like he's

2312
01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:16,359
playing off of guys shaydon sharp seems to have found,

2313
01:58:16,399 --> 01:58:19,159
his Footing a little bit. AS a shooter which i've been.

2314
01:58:19,239 --> 01:58:22,119
Waiting for i know you've been, Waiting for like he's

2315
01:58:22,359 --> 01:58:24,840
he's in there, Too so like, that's Three of those

2316
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:31,319
guys denny as Well obviously Denny, for, then it's about

2317
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:35,680
like kamara at klingon right like. Those it has. To

2318
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:36,840
be between those.

2319
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:38,920
Speaker 1: Two they're not playing they were kind, of fun at

2320
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:40,279
the beginning of the season so it felt like. They

2321
01:58:40,319 --> 01:58:42,399
were just playing these lineups without size but They, seem

2322
01:58:42,439 --> 01:58:44,600
pretty married to the idea of okay we're gonna Have

2323
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:45,039
a big.

2324
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,479
Speaker 2: On the floor now and klingon is just so great

2325
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,359
on the, both the Offensive class, unless a shop blocker

2326
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:54,479
just someone so yeah this.

2327
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:56,439
Speaker 1: Was my round about way of saying they made one

2328
01:58:56,479 --> 01:58:58,199
of the As much as it, paying me to see

2329
01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:00,520
doop brief go. OUT they made One of the favorite

2330
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,720
trades i think fit crachie could be, Really good to

2331
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:06,039
them because you see them you see the impact of

2332
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:09,840
just having someone who. Conceptually as a Shooter Is on

2333
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:12,359
the Floor So like the DREW. Holliday shade, and sharp

2334
01:59:12,439 --> 01:59:15,520
kamara off the a cleyon lineup they're most. Used thirty

2335
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:19,319
six percentile off of offensive efficiency you Start, to Mix

2336
01:59:19,399 --> 01:59:22,399
And match and. You're throwing oh like chris murray's in

2337
01:59:22,479 --> 01:59:25,399
there that's not a guy, that is necessarily treated as

2338
01:59:25,439 --> 01:59:28,359
a capsock shooter but, there's the idea, of Him and

2339
01:59:28,439 --> 01:59:31,000
he's not by the way since. Thanksgiving Twenty. Five percent

2340
01:59:31,039 --> 01:59:35,359
from three for him, vick crachie that dude shoots the.

2341
01:59:35,399 --> 01:59:37,439
Ball well gives you. A little ball handling he, has

2342
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:39,359
good size he's. Not a great defender but he's good

2343
01:59:39,439 --> 01:59:44,199
size his he's always struggled With delivering a promised baseline

2344
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:47,399
and it's in. Portland that's probably not it's Not, as

2345
01:59:47,439 --> 01:59:49,479
important it wasn't even important in atlanta but that was

2346
01:59:49,479 --> 01:59:52,000
probably why his. Playing time By AND large was never

2347
01:59:52,119 --> 01:59:55,560
higher i'm Just i'm i want to see how much.

2348
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:57,680
Portland is going to use him long term It gets a.

2349
01:59:57,720 --> 02:00:01,399
LITTLE bit Hazier now that scoot is back i don't

2350
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:04,039
i'm very curious. Where his, minutes end up being for them,

2351
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:07,960
excuse me by the end of THE season but this

2352
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:10,640
is a team that i really want to see get,

2353
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:12,680
funky with how, it's and, if that means by the

2354
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:15,560
way offensively speaking if that, Means more. Of young handsome,

2355
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,960
on the floor, hell yeah and it's like to be

2356
02:00:19,119 --> 02:00:21,319
fair you didn't go out. And make this big move

2357
02:00:21,359 --> 02:00:23,319
at the deadline you know, you're gonna be in the,

2358
02:00:23,399 --> 02:00:26,960
play in Regardless there's probably something, too well even if

2359
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,159
scoot is hurting you like You, really, need to Plumb the?

2360
02:00:29,239 --> 02:00:31,479
Depths of okay well what is scoot doing? What do

2361
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:34,119
we have in him moving forward because that's someone else,

2362
02:00:34,119 --> 02:00:37,479
Who's HE'S extension eligible leading into this summer so i

2363
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:39,680
really want to see him get even. More funkier than

2364
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:43,279
we've probably. Seen this year love the crazy pick up

2365
02:00:43,359 --> 02:00:46,600
i'm just curious what their stomach for experimentation is because,

2366
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:49,960
they can play the way that they've well they've changed

2367
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:51,279
some Of the way they play like they don't, THEY'RE

2368
02:00:51,319 --> 02:00:53,479
not a team that, feels anecdotally speaking i haven't seen

2369
02:00:53,479 --> 02:00:55,239
the numbers doesn't. Feel like they're pressuring as much on

2370
02:00:55,359 --> 02:00:58,880
defense but they're a team that's kind of, rested on

2371
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:02,279
a lot of the same principles making some minor. Changes

2372
02:01:02,319 --> 02:01:05,319
THROUGHOUT for a lot of this season and i want

2373
02:01:05,319 --> 02:01:07,439
To see them, experiment even more now that scoot is.

2374
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,760
Back and just also lean into something right maybe some of,

2375
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:14,199
these offensively inclined units are really, really bad but if

2376
02:01:14,239 --> 02:01:17,760
we unlock something offensively. Maybe it's easier to work backwards

2377
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:18,479
from there.

2378
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:21,880
Speaker 2: The fact That They've, also gotten quality minutes OUT of

2379
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:25,720
city sosoko who frankly last year. I thought he'd be

2380
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:28,159
out of the league he Was Bandied. ABOUT after he

2381
02:01:28,279 --> 02:01:30,479
was TRADED from san antonio i thought it WAS i.

2382
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:33,720
Thought he was done as an nba. Player now he's

2383
02:01:33,880 --> 02:01:37,439
back as a reputation member he's found. A little bit

2384
02:01:37,479 --> 02:01:40,840
of a three point shot like this team Has, options

2385
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:43,000
In terms of being funky like caleb but. Love, HAS

2386
02:01:43,039 --> 02:01:44,520
played so, MUCH better than that yeah.

2387
02:01:44,359 --> 02:01:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean right i mean some of. The like the

2388
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:49,079
defensive assignments that he's taken when you're looking at a,

2389
02:01:49,159 --> 02:01:51,279
lot of the off ball guys like that they've just,

2390
02:01:51,359 --> 02:01:53,880
found guys that are like doing good things but IT'S

2391
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:57,239
yet to sort of merge into what. I feel, is

2392
02:01:57,239 --> 02:02:00,239
a Sustainably good offensive product.

2393
02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:04,720
Speaker 2: I agree and like vitch, should theoretically help streamline that

2394
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:06,640
a little bit, because he's more of an off ball. Guy,

2395
02:02:07,439 --> 02:02:10,000
like just bending off of everyone. Else like he's not

2396
02:02:10,119 --> 02:02:14,359
someone who's high, usage so he's had a, rough Start

2397
02:02:14,479 --> 02:02:17,119
there but it's been four GAMES so I'M willing to ignore.

2398
02:02:17,159 --> 02:02:18,119
THE same a size.

2399
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:23,319
Speaker 1: I. Want to see i want to see him i'm

2400
02:02:23,319 --> 02:02:24,960
trying to think of what would be the let's just go,

2401
02:02:25,159 --> 02:02:27,880
All offense everything or as close To It. So, We

2402
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:32,279
NEED to go with denny avdia, yeah, crachy I think

2403
02:02:32,319 --> 02:02:34,359
would be in there right, and.

2404
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:36,760
Speaker 2: I probably IN terms, of, JUST offense Yeah.

2405
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 1: And then i. Think. Honestly, I think drew belongs in

2406
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:43,960
there really yeah i mean who else you want on, The,

2407
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:48,000
if We're going to all, offense here sharp well Sharp Is,

2408
02:02:48,039 --> 02:02:51,239
there Too. So it would be sharp holliday vit avdya.

2409
02:02:51,479 --> 02:02:53,720
AND then You Could. FILL in, your center i mean

2410
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:56,239
donovan klingon, i MEAN he's got three Point Range. NOW

2411
02:02:56,279 --> 02:02:58,199
so i think it's probably donovan klingon i wouldn't hate

2412
02:02:58,199 --> 02:02:59,920
it If You can, go no big and say. Jeremy

2413
02:03:00,079 --> 02:03:05,359
Grant maybe But That's at least, Offense, But grant or

2414
02:03:05,399 --> 02:03:07,920
Drew Holiday, TO that, Yeah, I'D rather have, drew holiday

2415
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:12,039
i think Yeah i think so but has not Been

2416
02:03:12,079 --> 02:03:14,560
i've Not seen a Ton Of. The sprinklings that i've

2417
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:16,560
seen since fait crachi is There A ton Of minutes

2418
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:18,960
with him, And, denny affia and i'm looking. At up

2419
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:21,079
yeah only seven minutes so far. I'm gonna need to

2420
02:03:21,079 --> 02:03:23,079
see more of, that THE number is not good right

2421
02:03:23,159 --> 02:03:24,399
now but i think you Can say that. About a

2422
02:03:24,439 --> 02:03:27,279
lot of, THE plazers Offensive numbers for the most part

2423
02:03:27,399 --> 02:03:29,600
i just i'm curious to see their approach. Because we

2424
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:31,880
know where they're gonna, end up, they're Gonna be ninth

2425
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:35,279
or tenth maybe eighth and i'm just wondering how that

2426
02:03:35,479 --> 02:03:41,239
certainty adversely or positively impacts how they finish the season,

2427
02:03:41,279 --> 02:03:43,760
in terms of do they emphasize player development? Do They

2428
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:46,960
emphasize trying different things on offense and scoots the swing factor,

2429
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:49,479
here because we've spent a lot, of time like without

2430
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:52,119
really talking about him saying. THIS team needs kind of

2431
02:03:52,119 --> 02:03:54,560
an offensive punch i think some of the floor spacing

2432
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:57,279
stuff that would be, nice from them he's not supposed

2433
02:03:57,319 --> 02:04:01,039
to provide but as another on Ball Liable Creator to

2434
02:04:01,079 --> 02:04:03,680
where it's, not it's denni avdia and then? It's okay

2435
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:06,199
Who Do? You trust After That? Is It? Drew holliday

2436
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:08,840
is It jeremy Grant? Like scoot is is it chain.

2437
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:12,359
And sharp scoot's supposed to be that guy scoot's arguably

2438
02:04:12,399 --> 02:04:14,279
supposed To Be that first guy in front of danny

2439
02:04:14,319 --> 02:04:16,359
avdia in in theory when you look at.

2440
02:04:16,399 --> 02:04:20,279
Speaker 2: The, Draft EQUITY they, have invested in him correct but,

2441
02:04:20,479 --> 02:04:23,920
I mean like you said At the top i think

2442
02:04:24,159 --> 02:04:26,920
for me? With scoot when he's what? How how many

2443
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:28,880
how much did? He miss this is for fifty, two

2444
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:31,000
games fifty two. Somewhere along those.

2445
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:33,520
Speaker 1: Lines he's played in two. That's, the only number that matters.

2446
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:37,640
To me yeah so he's missed fifty two that's just

2447
02:04:38,079 --> 02:04:40,479
it's so rough to come in with any. Type of

2448
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,600
expectations when you've missed that much like the rest of

2449
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:46,000
this season is only going to be. Him getting like

2450
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:49,359
reacclimated to the Whole thing so we have to wait

2451
02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:53,760
until scoot year, four to figure out like what he.

2452
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:57,239
IS which, just it's such a long time i wonder

2453
02:04:58,119 --> 02:05:01,840
like how they're, even gonna pro like, his extension this

2454
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:04,600
summer if there, even, are, or if they're going to,

2455
02:05:04,680 --> 02:05:08,079
Be like look we just we don't. Know like we're

2456
02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:10,279
three years since. This thing we just have no freaking

2457
02:05:10,359 --> 02:05:13,720
clue would there be a good analog for a player

2458
02:05:14,439 --> 02:05:16,920
similar in his situation that actually signed an extent. Because

2459
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:18,760
You could look At it Two, ways where portland like

2460
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:21,520
it's shade and sharp actually the analog to where, it

2461
02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:24,239
was he still had all that, upside but it didn't

2462
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:26,239
look like he ever he didn't tap. Into it frequently

2463
02:05:26,359 --> 02:05:28,479
enough or, for long enough he signed an extension. Anyway

2464
02:05:29,239 --> 02:05:30,800
and that was a good deal too? WHAT was that

2465
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:34,640
that was the said four i want to. Say four

2466
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:38,520
ninety right something along those lines And? Do they offer

2467
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:42,720
him would. You offer scoot you're not offering him more

2468
02:05:43,159 --> 02:05:45,039
It's easier To say now, because we've seen shade and

2469
02:05:45,039 --> 02:05:48,159
sharp this season but based off, their sample sizes. Through

2470
02:05:48,199 --> 02:05:50,720
the first Three? Years of their careers are You? Paying

2471
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:54,319
scoot but, What are you offering scoot in an extent i'm.

2472
02:05:54,199 --> 02:05:57,479
Speaker 2: Probably offering him for eighty, and then a team option.

2473
02:05:58,319 --> 02:06:03,680
AFTER you three so IN the final year i wonder if.

2474
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:06,039
HE i don't think he, would take, that i don't

2475
02:06:06,079 --> 02:06:10,359
think so either, because like, given like THE pedigree and

2476
02:06:10,439 --> 02:06:12,119
everything but Like. That's what i, Would offer.

2477
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:15,720
Speaker 1: Because? Sharp, Ben would you, SAY sharpe got four no

2478
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,399
oh my god. I didn't realize, IT was even that low.

2479
02:06:17,439 --> 02:06:18,119
FOR some reason i thought.

2480
02:06:18,119 --> 02:06:20,720
Speaker 2: IT was more i. Believe, it, was, gone i. Could,

2481
02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:23,920
BE wrong yeah four no four Ninety.

2482
02:06:25,479 --> 02:06:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah i don't. Think you could offer screwed more than

2483
02:06:27,279 --> 02:06:29,600
that like maybe, you could go with the salary cap inflation,

2484
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:31,199
if you want to calculate it that way you. Could

2485
02:06:31,239 --> 02:06:35,000
talk YOURSELF into. Four FOR a hundred but but. I

2486
02:06:35,159 --> 02:06:38,319
don't that's i don't think he can i. Don't think

2487
02:06:38,319 --> 02:06:40,279
they're gonna sign. Him, TO one that's just way too tough.

2488
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah i think, he's gonna be. A restricted free agent too.

2489
02:06:43,359 --> 02:06:45,600
Speaker 1: Makes more SENSE i do think at least and, again

2490
02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:47,880
i haven't seen his two full games, but, it just

2491
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:49,800
in terms of just like oh can you do something

2492
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:52,159
simple as you're gonna ribble around screens or get going.

2493
02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:55,199
A little downhill and like spray the ball having another guy,

2494
02:06:55,239 --> 02:06:57,800
THAT you can count. On to do that I suppose

2495
02:06:57,880 --> 02:06:59,560
helps them so He had. The i think It Was

2496
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:01,960
a grizzlies game he had assisted denny affia where he

2497
02:07:02,039 --> 02:07:04,079
was going baseline and throw it out, and HE doesn't

2498
02:07:04,119 --> 02:07:06,119
look super quick right now but, i think the Passing

2499
02:07:06,239 --> 02:07:08,880
craft is still There. AND so that's i'm not out

2500
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:10,800
on scoot i feel like This. Conversation was a lot

2501
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:13,600
of out on scoot do you have anything else you

2502
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:15,079
need to get off? YOUR chest before we. Get out

2503
02:07:15,079 --> 02:07:19,079
of here i do not know can you tell our

2504
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:20,920
audience whe they can find you, and, all, the fantastic work.

2505
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:22,439
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2506
02:07:22,479 --> 02:07:25,640
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Out to the one the only the indelible. He, was Not.

2518
02:07:56,359 --> 02:07:59,520
Traded at the trade DEADLINE sadley not sadley he wasn't

2519
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:01,319
on an. Nba roster even though he obviously should be

2520
02:08:01,399 --> 02:08:03,560
he could. BE starting for, your Favorite Team right Now

2521
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