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We're 34 00:01:56.560 --> 00:02:03.200 continuing our series The New Case. I look, this whole 35 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:09.280 series has been grim, this episode particularly even more so 36 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.039 so of course, you know, fewer discretion advised, maybe not 37 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.199 one to include the kids on. But I'll throw it 38 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:15.759 to you, Thoms. 39 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:22.840 Yeah, this, this fact pattern is particularly horrific. And this 40 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.199 really disgusting. But and I'm not I didn't select it 41 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:31.599 as an important aspect of the series to be worried 42 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:36.319 or as quick bait because it's a gross case. It's 43 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:41.319 it was, it's a case in point the case and 44 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.599 point I'd argue whether than there were Mira's case of 45 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:51.439 occultism in the zeitgeist in the public mind informing truly 46 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:56.719 evil behavior, and the Ripper Crew, as they came to 47 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:03.360 be known. This was four men doing this and without 48 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:07.879 naming any names. There's people who insist that not only 49 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.759 is there no such thing as a cult crime, but 50 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:15.400 there's no such thing as ritual cult activity involving multiple offenders. Well, 51 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:21.879 this is a splendid rebuttal to that little assertion, and 52 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.120 it also exemplifies how violent things were. And that's one 53 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.759 of the reasons why outside Chicago this didn't really get play. 54 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.159 And even in Chicago, this happened at the same These 55 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.039 murders were happening at the same time as the Tail 56 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.840 and Old poisoning, which was a national story, and that 57 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.120 caused genuine panic here on the ground in Shoe Town. 58 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.800 And then when these sick animals went on trial it 59 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.719 was the able Archer era. People were terrified of how 60 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.199 that was going to shake out, you know, with Cold 61 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:02.120 War tensions reaching critical mass and scene since ninety's seventy 62 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:07.639 three and adding to the bizarre lore. I've heard conflicting 63 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.280 reports on this, but a deep dived into this and 64 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:17.680 apparently it's true according to WLS, which was the primary 65 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.160 investigative of a legacy media brand here on the ground. 66 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.199 Robin get who was the leader of the Ripper Crew 67 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.079 when he was a teenager, he apparently worked for John 68 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:35.720 Wayne Gacy and Get was he was married to a woman, 69 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.000 but he was he was bisexual and he hung around 70 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:38.720 with gay people. 71 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:44.920 So question about working with Gaysey. Was that involved in 72 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:49.759 kind of the I guess like Chicago Democrat leadership role 73 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.360 that he was in, or as like a franchise owner. 74 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.360 No, he worked for Gaysey when he was a teenager, 75 00:04:55.439 --> 00:05:00.279 just for his like painting and construction company because ghekt 76 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:05.279 was a carpenter and he was he was the kind 77 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.319 of guy that Gacy preferred. I mean one of the 78 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.319 things that's the bizarre o Ghektes. He had this incredible 79 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.360 ability to control people. But he was this tiny little guy. 80 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:17.399 He was like five foot and noth then really skinny. 81 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.879 He's what'd be called a twink these days. Okay, he 82 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:22.879 was kind of this he was almost like pre you know, 83 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.839 he's like this a feminine guy. So this idea that 84 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:29.759 he could intimidate these you know, and the Corealis brothers 85 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:31.680 who were sort of the muscle of the Ripper Crew. 86 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:37.000 There were these They were these Greek tough guys from 87 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:40.959 the northwest side. The idea Get could intimidate people into 88 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.680 doing things by his physicality is ridiculous. You know, He's 89 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:48.360 the kind of guy that the co Corielis brothers could 90 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:52.360 have broken half. You know. The way he could dominate 91 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:59.360 people suggest something really sinister and bizarre. I'm not saying 92 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.240 anything super natural, but there's something there. But he yeah, 93 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:07.279 I but I mean the people these days when true 94 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:11.199 crime fanatics come across some of these content creators, especially 95 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.560 younger people. This isn't some slam on young people, but 96 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.319 they think it's this insane cosmic coincidence that get apparently 97 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.920 across pads with gay Zy. It's not though it test 98 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:23.680 them into the fact that this this kind of thing 99 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:25.759 was common, which is horrifying. 100 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.360 But that's well, and not to spin this off into 101 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:35.800 its own direction. But obviously, the the sort of rumors 102 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.720 and allegations around Gaysey that he was not a loan operator, 103 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.279 you know, given the there's a whole number of suspicious 104 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:44.040 things about that. 105 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:44.639 You know, the. 106 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.879 Dozens of different keys to his house, the connections to 107 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:52.399 kind of a you know, a snuff film ring discussion 108 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:58.079 for another day, But critics have made, uh made allegations 109 00:06:58.120 --> 00:06:59.120 on that, I'll put it that way. 110 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:04.360 Oh yeah, And I it seems to imagine, especially if 111 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.879 Gek was involved sexually with gay Sy. It's I realized this. 112 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:11.759 It's a pure speculation. It seems to imagine gay Sy 113 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.759 sort of initiating him into this sort of statistic stuff. 114 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:26.720 Albeit you know, Ghek's victim profile was women, but it Yeah, 115 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.160 I definitely think it's it's more it's a case. It 116 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.480 goes beyond whether it smoke, there's fire. I think there's 117 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:40.240 real there's real evidence that Gaysey had accomplices, and I 118 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.720 I think that can't be denied. But serious people anymore. 119 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.560 But basically, the way the Ripper Crew came of the 120 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:53.360 attention of law enforcement, this woman's body was discovered in 121 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:59.480 Villa Park. Villa Park is a West suburb and especially 122 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.439 in those is there was a strip of notel motels 123 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.279 where you could cop dope, where you know, you could 124 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.160 take prostitutes, but there was a lot of just grimy 125 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:14.959 kind of vice activity. Bensonville is kind of like that 126 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.600 today by the airport, so not serious crying, but a 127 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.639 lot of advice, a lot of drugs and dope stuff 128 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.639 they caught. The strip was called by street people's the 129 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:30.920 Gods a strip. But this woman's body was found behind 130 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.240 one of these motels. It's still it was then it 131 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:38.080 was called the moon Lit Motel. It's it's been branded 132 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:44.960 something different now. But at first glance it appeared as 133 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.559 if this woman had been dead for some time because 134 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:54.000 the body was heavily decomposed. She was a prostitute named 135 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:59.320 wind Of Sutton from the West Side, which was odd 136 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:01.960 that she'd end up that far. Villa Park's not super 137 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.720 far from the West Side proper, but it's not a 138 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:10.440 place of prostitute which just traveled as service in John 139 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.799 you know. And her name was Linda Sutton. She still 140 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.320 had her cash in her socks, so she hadn't been robbed. 141 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:26.360 The coroner, owing to very diligent examination and a strong 142 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.399 base of knowledge, he realized this woman hadn't been dead 143 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.320 for a long time. She'd only been dead for two 144 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:35.399 or three days. What had happened to her? And then 145 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:43.320 again this is very grotesque. Her breast had been totally severed, 146 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:51.639 and owing to that, insects and various microbes and parasites 147 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:57.559 were able to invade the corpse and deteriorate the remains rapidly, 148 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:07.240 so at first the police and again in Villa Park. 149 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:11.080 They probably get one or two homicides a year even 150 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.200 back then, and it was in the form of bar 151 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.519 fights or some sort of domestic dispute that turns into 152 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.840 a murder. These kinds of random homicides didn't really happen, 153 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:26.720 certainly not dead hookers, where you know, body parts are 154 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:37.919 removed as a trophy, fetish object, and that's kind of 155 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:46.240 This was kind of forgotten about until several months later 156 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:54.039 in the fall of nineteen eighty two. October, a woman 157 00:10:54.120 --> 00:11:02.440 named Denise Gardner, she got snatched up by a guy 158 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:11.799 in a red van and she was she survived the attack. 159 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:19.440 And what she relayed was a red van had approached 160 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:24.159 her on West North Avenue, which was her regular stroll, 161 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.480 and she said, a little white guy who was at 162 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:31.679 the wheel, you know, and he he solicited the act 163 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.639 he wanted and she gave him the price. He paid her. 164 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:42.200 He said, get in. She got into the van. It 165 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:46.240 was a carpenter's van and it had a partition and 166 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:51.200 she had the wherewithal to remember odd details about it. 167 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:53.840 There's been a roach clip hanging from two blue feathers 168 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:58.279 from the rear view, and this becomes significant how the 169 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:02.000 van was identified. He said something of the effect of, 170 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:04.399 you know, fex yourself a drank, or why don't you 171 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:06.159 get in the back and get comfortable, and I'll be 172 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:10.360 there in a minute. When I park. She went in 173 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:16.360 the back, the guy pulled a gun, started pistel whipping her. 174 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:22.320 Then he forth pills down her throat and she passed out. 175 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.559 You know, she was fading out. He continued to piss 176 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:31.600 the whipper. She woke up in an alleyway, only a 177 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:38.600 few bucks from the stroll and uh, she'd been savagely 178 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:47.000 assaulted and one of her breasts was removed. Okay, somebody 179 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:49.879 found her before she bled out. It was a streets 180 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:58.639 and Sanitation guy who called it in and she identified 181 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:07.960 uh to the police from her hospital bed. You know, 182 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:12.799 the man who's ultimately identified as Robin Get Okay, and uh, 183 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.480 she said it was a seventy six or seventy seven 184 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:22.600 or seventy eight van. Hookers get to know cars real well. 185 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:24.159 He s they did in those days because they're constant 186 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:27.120 getting in and out of them, and if something seems 187 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:31.399 suss or scary to him, they like hit other females 188 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:33.919 on that hustle. Hey watch out for like the seventy 189 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:40.759 nine you know corvetor or whatever, which is an interesting factoid. 190 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:42.440 But that's how she was able to make the man. 191 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.679 You know, she described get physically. You know, she described 192 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:52.320 the roach clip, all of that. So a few weeks later, 193 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:57.039 on October twentieth, why'd you between these two murders or 194 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.320 between this one assault and this murder and bill apart 195 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:04.320 like no connect himp in media. But these two Chicago 196 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:08.720 police they were on Lake Short Drive and they come 197 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:13.399 across as a red van and I think it was 198 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:17.240 the There were past and the red van got off 199 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:23.000 the drive. They followed it to Central Avenue, and uh, 200 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.080 they realized it was an apb out for a red 201 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.039 or dark orange van with a partition and with the 202 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.360 you know, a roche clib with blue feathers. So they 203 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:38.159 pull up next to it, they see the feathers. They 204 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:43.399 pull a van over, pull a driver out, and there's 205 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.039 a guy there driving and who doesn't fit the description 206 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.679 at all that Denise Gardner gave. It was some guy 207 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.440 who they was, you know, probably his late teens, with goofy, 208 00:14:54.519 --> 00:15:01.919 wild red hair, and h is idea indicated his name 209 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.960 was Eddie Sprecher. And when the police says, this is 210 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:07.799 your van, he said, no, it's my boss. It's van. 211 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.960 So these two police say, well, who's your boss. He says, oh, 212 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:19.240 my boss is Robin get So. The police say, well, 213 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:20.679 you know, you know you're gonna take us to Robin 214 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:25.960 get So he takes him to this house on a 215 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:32.399 north winder, the three thousand a north winder and uh, 216 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:38.279 when they get there, they have Eddie knock on the door. 217 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.480 Get comes out. He fits the description to a t 218 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:49.360 that Denise Gardener he gave him. The cops say, you 219 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:53.000 know your your van was or a van fitting this 220 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:57.559 description was implicated in a very serious crime. I Get 221 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:02.600 apparently was tobably lack a daizagle about it. He comes 222 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:09.440 to the police station and uh, the police's first impression 223 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:13.960 was this guy's probably just a freak who likes to 224 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.600 hurd hookers. And it just got a little bit out 225 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:24.559 of hand with the niece Gardner. But as they talked 226 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:30.759 of Spritzer, it became clear that Spreeiser was terrified and 227 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.240 Obviously that didn't seem normal, and it's why why would 228 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:36.159 you be terrified of this little feminine guy if you 229 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:44.320 even accuse your boss or whatever. As time went on, 230 00:16:51.480 --> 00:17:02.000 Spritzer said that he wanted to confess, and the police said, 231 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:09.039 confess to what You're not suspected of anything, And Spiders said, well, 232 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.720 we killed a girl, and we killed a black girl 233 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.400 and dunked her, and uh, Villa Park, we killed an 234 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:22.720 Asian girl out in the West Suburbs too. We killed 235 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.799 some rich lady that we grabbed off Rush Street. He 236 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.319 confessed to almost twenty homicides. You and the police are 237 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.720 just aghast. So they start looking for a you know, 238 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:39.240 trying to match this these these claims to see if 239 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.000 they're a loser you're not, and see if there's any 240 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:46.680 fact patterns in Chicago and Greater Chicago and that matched 241 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:50.519 these claims, and of course, what you know, this this 242 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:59.200 Villa Park murder comes up immediately with the dismembered breast, 243 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:06.559 and uh, they realize they they they have, they have 244 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.839 they probably have two serial killers on their hands. But 245 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:15.599 then it gets even more bizarre because this is Area 246 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:22.640 five homicide. There used to be six police areas now 247 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.839 there's only five and uh, they've been reconfigured a bit, 248 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.920 but there's not there's not a homicide division of Chicago PD. 249 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:35.920 There's a duro of detectives. They're basically the major crimes unit, 250 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:43.880 and they get homicides. And area five is northwest and uh, 251 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.279 that's that's not that's not a hood area. But it's 252 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:54.599 a prestige posting. And especially in those days, you get 253 00:18:54.599 --> 00:19:01.079 a pretty high caliber of guys on that detail. Okay, 254 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.640 but even they it was unfathomble of them that that 255 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:10.400 there'd be more than two guys doing this together. But 256 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:13.759 so they just said, but still the police have this idea. 257 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:16.160 Let's take Eddie sprites Or and put in the room. 258 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:18.599 Put him in the room with Robin ghet and let's 259 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:21.599 see how Let's let's see if they go at each other. 260 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:25.559 Let's see if they try and blame each other. Let's 261 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.559 see what Ghekt if he if he starts confessing after 262 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.440 we say that Spritzers made him for you know, eighteen 263 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.279 murders or whatever, so he claims. So they take Spritzer 264 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:38.720 in there and they said Ghek just looked at him calmly, 265 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:44.480 and they said Spritzer started visibly shaking, and one of 266 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.240 the detectives says, you know, tell tell your pell Robin, 267 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:51.880 what what you just told us? And Spritzer says, rob 268 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.519 and I told them about all the girls, and Get 269 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:59.480 just said, I have no idea what you're talking about. 270 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.319 You know, no anger, no visible. He wasn't visible. We shook, 271 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:08.119 nothing like that. So then when they takes Spritzer back 272 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:13.640 to his his own interrogation room, Spritzer says, you know what, 273 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.720 you know what I lied? I lied? Robin wasn't there. 274 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:23.160 I did these homicides with with Andy kak Coriolis, as 275 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:27.880 the police say, like, who the fuck is Andy kok Corialis. Well, 276 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:32.440 as it turns out, Andy kok Corialis was another employee 277 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.400 of Robin Gets, although when they asked him at first, 278 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:38.680 Gex said he was just this kid that he knew 279 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:44.440 who used to be as a neighbor. Coo. Coriolis was 280 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:52.720 a villa park guy, which uh accounts for the connection 281 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.759 of the moonlit motel. I mean, Robin Get was familiar 282 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.559 with the West suburbs too, but that was the core 283 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.880 ell his brother's stomping ground. Their dad was a Greek immigrant. 284 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:07.559 The mother died years ago. I think Andy kok Corialis 285 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.599 was nineteen at the time. He had a brother, Tommy, 286 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:17.200 who later became implicated. So now Spreutzer, and to be 287 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:22.039 clear to you, Spreutzer was probably half retarded. He probably 288 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:23.680 was one of these people we probably had like a 289 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:31.119 seventy IQ or something. Okay, And so he starts rambling 290 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.839 trying to you know, see, he starts telling all kinds 291 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:38.680 of different stories, all of which now seemed to remove 292 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:43.960 Get from the narrative out of apparent fear of Get, 293 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:48.119 which the detectives again didn't understand because Gekt was this 294 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.559 sort of effeminatee little weasel. But they go see Andy 295 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:58.359 kok Corialis at his father's house. They identify themselves, you know, 296 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:02.519 as police. This is Chicago p he Villa Park wanted 297 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:06.119 a piece of him two but obviously Chicagwood priority because 298 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.960 they had a far larger file and they have the 299 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.000 allegations are far more numerous. He was only good for 300 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:20.559 the one homicide potentially in Nolla Park. But the Corey 301 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:26.680 Elis They get him in an interrogation room and uh 302 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:34.519 he uh he comes cleaning uh essentially immediately, you know, 303 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:36.599 they say, you know, you have any idea why you're here, 304 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:41.920 And he's like, yeah, uh, it's thing to say, Okay, 305 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.359 why why do you think you're here? You know? And 306 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.240 he said, uh, I've been I've been murdering women with 307 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:54.200 you know, Robin and Spritzer for months, and I dream 308 00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:57.000 about every night and I know I'm going to go 309 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:05.440 to hell. Corielis also made Gek for blowing away to 310 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:11.599 random guys and Rigivo, who apparently he had no connection 311 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.920 due but Gek always went around strapped. He had a 312 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:19.519 rifle like I think it was a Mini fourteen or 313 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:25.799 something kind of some kind of clinking rifle, and a 314 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:29.599 h and a handgun of some sort with him and uh, 315 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:35.599 Coriolis And this is apparently true because this you know, this, 316 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.720 this this murder had been assumed it would be a 317 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:44.039 some sort of gangster related ship, but it went unsolved. 318 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.039 There's these two guys at a payphone. I think they 319 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.759 I think they were lad In Kings and apparently Gek 320 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:56.039 just spontaneously blasted at him. The one guy survived with 321 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.240 brain damage was paralyzed. The other guy died at the scene. 322 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.960 But just give an idea of how bizarre get Wise 323 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:09.519 and how violent he was. I it speculated he probably 324 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:13.960 in addition to these horrible, horrible sex crimes murders, he 325 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:17.160 probably want a lot of other people too, just for 326 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.720 the hell of it, or or a test, you know 327 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:21.680 who he was with to see if you know, they 328 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:24.759 they had the stomach probably wanted to do. I mean, 329 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:33.200 who knows, but they they started asking that Coreel was 330 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:39.680 about these fact patterns they've been related to them by Spritzer. 331 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:46.480 Despite Spritzer's lack of overall lucidity, he described discrete victim 332 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:54.000 profiles and women that they killed with very particular characteristics. 333 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:57.599 And it turns out that the even woman he was 334 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:01.599 talking about was a woman named Schuie Mack and she 335 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:05.000 had a fight with her brother. They both worked at 336 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:09.079 their parents' restaurant and in a haff at a stop 337 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:12.200 like she got out of the car and uh was 338 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.839 walking down Irving Park Road and she had the horror 339 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.759 of misfortune to be picked up by the ripper crew. 340 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.839 And Corey Alis said, yeah, I grabbed her, I pulled 341 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.440 her into the van. You know, he's like, I started 342 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:28.079 punched her in the face to saidd her. He hit 343 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:32.559 her so hard that when her body was found there 344 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:36.519 was this bizarre horseshoe shaped fracture in the back of 345 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:41.079 her head. They later figured out Corey Ali said hit 346 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:49.079 her so hard her head hit the uh door hinge 347 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:53.279 of the van from the inside and a crack of 348 00:25:53.400 --> 00:26:00.680 stone and killed her. But uh, you know, it was 349 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:08.400 clear that it was clear that he was uh probably 350 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:09.440 telling the truth. 351 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:11.000 And uh. 352 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.160 The police said, okay, well, why why did you do 353 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:21.640 these things? He said, well, for the for the purpose 354 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:25.559 of ceremonies. And the police said, what what do you 355 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:30.680 mean And he said, well, Gekt has power over me 356 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.400 and he might have power over you too. Don't look 357 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:43.240 him in the eyes. He's demonically possessed. The detective said, okay, whatever, 358 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.839 what what do you mean by ceremonies? And this this 359 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:51.920 is disgusting. I'm gonna warn you. Coriel is related to 360 00:26:52.000 --> 00:27:00.119 that Ghak had a Satanic altar in his addict in 361 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:07.160 his attic, and with the severed brass and other body parts, 362 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:14.319 he'd perform a ritual over them, where he'd read Bible passages, 363 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:26.440 often backwards. He'd chant something in Latin. Then he'd ejaculate 364 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:33.200 on the dismembered body part, cut it into pieces, and 365 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.839 the ripper crew would then eat it. As a Satanic 366 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:46.640 offering a Satanic communion, and the police weren't shocked because 367 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:54.240 again these were Bureau detectives, veterans, but they'd never heard 368 00:27:54.279 --> 00:28:01.799 of anything like this. And frankly, why would anybody make 369 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:06.240 that up? I mean, this guy who's implicated himself and 370 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.559 this serons was went on. I had the death penalty 371 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:14.160 and Andy Coo Corielis eventually was executed. But even even 372 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.319 somebody with the sickest of lord fantasies, I mean, why, 373 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:23.519 why don't even occur to somebody? And this gets worse 374 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:29.559 if you can believe that. They said, okay, give us 375 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:38.640 something else to validate what you're telling us, and he said, okay, well, 376 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:48.640 part of what we do before the ceremony is after 377 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:56.880 we dismember the breast or create a stab wound, we 378 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:04.359 have sexual intercourse with the wound. And the woman's body 379 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:10.440 that was found in Villa Park there was seminal fluid 380 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:19.599 present in the wound, and this befuddled investigators. I mean, this, 381 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:31.200 this is beyond sick, you know, and apparently, I mean 382 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:35.359 obviously Andy core also was an animal and then and 383 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:40.240 an evil, evil, evil savage, but he was raised in 384 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:44.720 a tritional Greek household. He claimed to be ah to 385 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:49.759 believe in God, he was traumatized by his own savagery 386 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:59.279 and apparently at something of a guilty conscience. Okay, and finally, 387 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:12.839 what what made this even more unbelievable is Eddie Spritzer. 388 00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:18.279 He continued to try and remove get from the scene 389 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:24.359 and these rambling confessions that all seemed to contradict each other, 390 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:29.160 with the one common variable being that these are real 391 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.839 victim profiles. He was describing of women who had been 392 00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:37.279 found murdered or were missing. He said, oh, and you know, 393 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:47.000 Andy's brother Tommy helped out sometimes too. So the police 394 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:50.000 go back to the CoA Corelis house where there this 395 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:54.160 poor old Greek guy has just found out that his 396 00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:57.839 one son is confessing the Satanic murders, that his other 397 00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:02.359 son is being imple located. But at that time Tommy 398 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.319 wasn't suspected of anything beyond what sprites Or had said, 399 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.720 and the police weren't even confident that this was true. 400 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:16.119 But essentially, the moment they asked Tommy to come talk 401 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:17.880