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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty one, a man returned home one evening

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<v Speaker 1>to a horrifying discovery. His wife was laying dead in

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<v Speaker 1>front of their fireplace. With few clues and no clear evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>suspicion quickly fell on him, making him the prime suspect. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly a century later, the identity of the true killer

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<v Speaker 1>remains a mystery. While some are convinced he committed the crime,

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<v Speaker 1>others argue that the circumstances around it made it absolutely impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, this is the case that has since earned

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<v Speaker 1>a nickname, the Impossible Murder.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material for mature listener discretion. Happy Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, if you are listening to this today, the

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<v Speaker 1>day the episode's released, which is Friday. If not Happy

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<v Speaker 1>whatever other day of the week you are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this on.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Day, hopefully it's Friday, because Fridays are a happy day.

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<v Speaker 1>Fridays are good days weekends. There you know what, Generally,

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<v Speaker 1>people don't typically work as hard on Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>That it had a nickname.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was working my last job, everyone called it

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<v Speaker 1>a fuck It Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously. Yeah, I don't know if I ever heard this.

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<v Speaker 3>You've never heard of fuck it Friday?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Yeah, it's fuck it Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, Because lots I felt like when I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>had my other job that Friday was like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's weekend. I get all the shit done, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can enjoy my weekend. So I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know if I. Oh, I kind of wish I had

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<v Speaker 2>that mentality. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't get me wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It was usually never like a matter of someone I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally it happened where someone was taking fuck it Friday

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<v Speaker 1>upon themselves, but usually it's like, ah, look at that

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<v Speaker 1>dude over there not doing his job. Clearly it's fuck

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<v Speaker 1>it Friday, like, you know, pointing to someone else not

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<v Speaker 1>doing their work. Okay, but I mean it works either way.

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<v Speaker 3>Though.

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<v Speaker 1>You can take it upon yourself to have a fuck

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<v Speaker 1>it Friday, because once in.

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<v Speaker 3>A while I can need that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but maybe that should be some some merch fuck

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<v Speaker 1>it Friday, mad getting grim.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be amazing. But I also feel like right

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<v Speaker 2>now this season, people might need that, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>like some a day off. It's a busy season.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone out there is getting a little bit wild, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've noticed it's still I mean, you have that online

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<v Speaker 1>shopping for Christmas and everything right and all the holiday

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<v Speaker 1>seasons stuff, but it's still wild.

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<v Speaker 2>When you go out shopping this time of year, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just busy, like it's almost where did all these people

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<v Speaker 2>come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, consumerism is at a next level this time of year,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just, I don't know, it drives me insane,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 2>But because weren't we out on a Wednesday? It was

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<v Speaker 2>like two or something. I think, I don't know, but it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was I think we went out for lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well no, we went to Winners and it was

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<v Speaker 2>hella busy, and I'm like, aren't these like why aren't

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<v Speaker 2>these people working? Like why is every like the lineup

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<v Speaker 2>was huge? It felt like it was a Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Yeah, anyways, Honestly, like in this case, it's

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty, I kind of wish I could go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the nineteen thirties. It seems like a nicer time.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get me wrong. They had their struggles of their

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<v Speaker 1>own two which are probably worse than today, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just seemed like things were at a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>slower pace back.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, a little more simple, a little more simple sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>sounds nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It does, for sure. But yeah, I'm excited for this case,

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<v Speaker 1>the Impossible Murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you for this?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to hear about this too.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, this mystery, I mean, honestly, it hasn't gotten

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<v Speaker 1>near enough attention over the years in my opinion, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is known as the impossible Possible Murder. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those cases that makes you question everything you

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<v Speaker 1>think you might know. Really Okay, So the story takes

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<v Speaker 1>us back to nineteen thirties England and revolves around an

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary couple. Now, what makes this case so fascinating is

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<v Speaker 1>how controversial the trial was as well, not just the

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<v Speaker 1>mystery around it, but the trial of the case, which

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<v Speaker 1>of course we're going to dive into. So the verdict

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<v Speaker 1>ended up being a first in English legal history. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it left people completely divided, not even like just

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<v Speaker 1>the public, but like some of the courtroom was like

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<v Speaker 1>polar opposites.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yes, Oh are you telling you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell us right now?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Here, I'm like, oh man, he's given us the goods

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<v Speaker 2>right at the start.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm leaving I'm apping you up, is what I'm doing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some believe an innocent man escaped the gallows, while others

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<v Speaker 1>believe a cold blooded killer ended up walking free as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of this trial. It's one of the two.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, okay, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up for you to decide which is the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you look at the facts, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>see how this accused could have ever been convicted in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. In my opinion, it's pretty much impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to have committed the crime. Or is it dun dun dune? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>enough amping you up. Let's get into the case. So

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<v Speaker 1>it all started in a year of nineteen thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>with an individual by the name of William Herbert Wallace.

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<v Speaker 1>He was fifty two years old and he worked in insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an insurance agent for Prudential Financial. William seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like pretty average guy for his age. He was quiet, relatively,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, unremarkable, just living a normal life. Now, no

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<v Speaker 1>one that really sticks out in society, right, just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of blends in. Not that he was like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bad thing. He was completely happy with that, don't get

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<v Speaker 1>me wrong, right, kind of like your average show exactly now.

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<v Speaker 1>His early years were a bit more adventurous, as he

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<v Speaker 1>worked odd jobs in far off places like India and Shanghai,

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<v Speaker 1>before health issues eventually brought him back to England. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in hindsight, you can say that these health issues were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a blessing in disguise because in nineteen eleven

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<v Speaker 1>he would meet Julia, the woman who he would quickly

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<v Speaker 1>fall in love with. Two years later, the two got

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<v Speaker 1>married and settled down at twenty nine Wolverton Street in

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<v Speaker 1>Liverpool's Angfield District. Now, the Wallaces didn't have any kids,

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<v Speaker 1>but they seemed perfectly happy with their quiet life together.

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<v Speaker 1>They mostly kept themselves and even after living in the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood for fifteen years, the neighbors never really noticed any

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<v Speaker 1>arguments or tension between the two of them. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>people described them as a loving and devoted couple.

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<v Speaker 2>And even back then so they didn't have kids, which

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<v Speaker 2>was probably like a super rarity.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, oh one d percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even today if someone's if you tell someone

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not gonna have kids, like they look at

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<v Speaker 2>They do. But I think it's slowly starting it to

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<v Speaker 2>be more accepted.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're just slowly accepting it from us. I

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<v Speaker 1>think those close to us are slowly accepting that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not having kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I feel like more there's more and more

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<v Speaker 2>people deciding not to have kids. Nowadays, that's true, but

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<v Speaker 2>back then, I feel like you're supposed to be you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Pumpo, like eight eight kids or so for sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>you still get those sideways look. There's more people deciding

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<v Speaker 1>not to but you still get judged the sardlets.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think it's so funny because it's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't give you sideways looks when you decide to have kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Karen, when your kid is running and screaming to

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<v Speaker 1>the supermarket, I'm not giving you a sideways look, actually

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<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 3>But still that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. No, I feel like, just decide.

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<v Speaker 1>What you'd like one hundred percent, do what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and hey, don't judge with people for how live.

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<v Speaker 1>But these two were definitely living their best life, having

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<v Speaker 1>a great marriage together. They were kid lists just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing exactly what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great now.

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<v Speaker 1>Julia had a creative side, and she was an excellent

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<v Speaker 1>pianist and a watercolor artist. She was fluent in French

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and had what William considered very refined literary tastes. William,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, was into science and philosophy and

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<v Speaker 1>was known as an intellectual, though some found him a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit particular a sorry peculiar at times. Still, though

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<v Speaker 1>he made an effort to embrace the arts, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what his wife was involved in. He even picked up

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<v Speaker 1>violin lessons at the age of fifty, likely so he

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<v Speaker 1>could play alongside his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, okay, I must actually kind of obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>these this couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, they're, like I said, living their best life, just

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<v Speaker 1>doing what they want.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, deciding you want to embrace on her new skill

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of fifty is impressive. But I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people who, you know, as you

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<v Speaker 1>get older, like oh I'm too old for that, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I should have done it when I was younger.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, hey, it's never too late, and tell it's

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<v Speaker 1>too late, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the couple enjoyed simple pleasures like countryside trips and

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<v Speaker 1>occasional nights at the cinema. But of all Williams hobbies,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one that truly stood out chess. William's chess

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<v Speaker 1>skills might be up for debate to this day. No

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<v Speaker 1>one really knows how good he was. I mean, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into a little bit. He obviously had some skill,

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<v Speaker 1>but I digress. He was passionate about the game, though.

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<v Speaker 1>We do know that it was one of the few

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<v Speaker 1>activities that could get him out of the house and

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<v Speaker 1>away from his wife. Unfortunately, in a cruel twist of fate,

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<v Speaker 1>a chess match would set off a chain of events

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<v Speaker 1>that spelled devastation for the couple. It was Monday, January nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty one. The workday had come to a close,

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<v Speaker 1>and William had just arrived for his match in a

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<v Speaker 1>local chess championship. So clearly he had some skill because

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<v Speaker 1>he's in a chess championship right. So before he could begin, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the venue's owner stopped him, explaining that a phone call

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<v Speaker 1>had come in about half an hour before William had

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<v Speaker 1>arrived there. The caller on the other end of the

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<v Speaker 1>phone was a deep gruff voice individual and claimed to

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<v Speaker 1>want to meet William the next evening at around seven

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<v Speaker 1>thirty pm. He said he was a potential client looking

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<v Speaker 1>to set up insurance for his daughter, and his daughter

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<v Speaker 1>had just turned twenty one that day, in fact, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he explained that he couldn't call back later because

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<v Speaker 1>he's busy with celebrating the birthday and everything, so he

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<v Speaker 1>him right. The man gave his name as R. M.

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<v Speaker 1>Qualthrow and provided an address of twenty five men Love Gardens,

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<v Speaker 1>East Mossley Hill. William took the information from venue owner,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote it all down and everything, but admitted he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>recognize the name or the address. He asked around, but

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<v Speaker 1>turned out, there was a very good reason for that,

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<v Speaker 1>though William wouldn't discover that until much later.

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<v Speaker 3>Neither would you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, my brain's going wild though.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we'll we'll touch on this here in a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna digress just for a bit now. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>William won his chess match that night remains unclear and

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<v Speaker 1>honestly not important to the story. But I still hope

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<v Speaker 1>he won that shit regardless, Everything that evening seemed normal

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<v Speaker 1>during the event, and soon though he was on his

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<v Speaker 1>way home the next day, January twentieth, nineteen nineteen thirty one.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still, you know, back in those thirties. No big

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<v Speaker 1>time warp is happening here. It started off like any

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<v Speaker 1>other day, any other Tuesday. William spent the afternoon collecting

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<v Speaker 1>insurance premiums from clients, working between three point thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>five forty five PM. Those interacted with him said he

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<v Speaker 1>seemed completely normal, relaxed, chill, cracking jokes, and even enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>a cup of tea with some of his clients too.

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<v Speaker 1>Once he finished his rounds, William likely headed home at

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<v Speaker 1>around six PM. It's here between six thirty and six

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<v Speaker 1>forty five PM at the timeline becomes critical. What might

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<v Speaker 1>seem like a small, insignificant window of fifteen minutes would

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<v Speaker 1>soon become the centerpiece of this entire fucking case. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so at this point, Julia was still going about her

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<v Speaker 1>day as usual. We know this because a local milk

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<v Speaker 1>boy stopped by the house around that time to collect

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<v Speaker 1>a routine payment for her or from her.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Tragically, it would be one of the last interactions Julia

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<v Speaker 1>had ever had before meeting her untimely death. By seven

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<v Speaker 1>to ten pm, William was spotted roughly twenty minutes away

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<v Speaker 1>from their home boarding a train. As he followed up

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<v Speaker 1>on the mysterious appointment with this RM character, heading to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five Men Love Gardens East. That same individual you

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<v Speaker 1>know left the message day earlier saying wanted to meet

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<v Speaker 1>up at seven thirty right, okay, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't remember what time it was with seven thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven thirty m Now, he was unfamiliar with this area,

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<v Speaker 1>so William made a point of asking for directions from

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who might help train operators, police officers, and even

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<v Speaker 1>the odd random passerby. So there were several people who

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<v Speaker 1>could put him in this place at the time. But

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<v Speaker 1>where things got strange is right here. While there was

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<v Speaker 1>a Men Love Avenue and there was also a Men

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<v Speaker 1>Love Gardens West, South and North, there was no Men

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<v Speaker 1>Love Garden East, which was the address that was provided.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people William asked told him this flat out, there

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<v Speaker 1>is no Men Love Garden East, while others assumed maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it does exist somewhere nearby, they just didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know about it. Okay, I mean it fits in.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's a Men Love Gardens West, South and North,

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<v Speaker 1>of course there'd be one east, but there wasn't. So

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<v Speaker 1>by eight to twenty pm, Williams search for this elusive

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<v Speaker 1>address had hit a dead end. He was frustrated, and

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<v Speaker 1>he decided it was time to give up and just

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<v Speaker 1>head back home, leaving behind this potential new client.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a piss off, hey, it is. That's one

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<v Speaker 2>issue we don't have today, because I would just be

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<v Speaker 2>like putting this in Google Maps, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly a plot in it and Google now. William's neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>were the next to give a timeline of his whereabouts.

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<v Speaker 1>At around eight forty five pm, they were preparing for

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<v Speaker 1>a night out when they heard a knock at their

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<v Speaker 1>front door. When they opened the door to check who

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<v Speaker 1>it was, they found William standing there, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>looking a little confused and definitely a bit uneasy. He

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<v Speaker 1>asked if they had noticed anything strange and explained that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been trying to unlock both the front and back

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<v Speaker 1>door of his home, but neither key seemed to work

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<v Speaker 1>for him. With the neighbors standing by to assist to

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<v Speaker 1>see if they could help in any way, William tried

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<v Speaker 1>the back door to the home again, and this time,

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons unknown, the key worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The door creaked open, revealing a dark house inside, lights

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<v Speaker 1>were out, William stepped in began lighting lamps as he

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<v Speaker 1>moved through the home. He checked upstairs in the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>found nothing out of the ordinary, and made his way

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<v Speaker 1>back downstairs. And that's when entering into the sitting room

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<v Speaker 1>when he would have his whirl shattered on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>near the fireplace, laid Julia's motionless body. No, the scene

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<v Speaker 1>was grim. Julia had suffered severe blunt force trauma to

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<v Speaker 1>her head, leaving no doubt that she was beyond help.

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<v Speaker 1>She was beyond she was dead.

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<v Speaker 3>She was dead. Yeah, she was done.

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<v Speaker 1>William immediately called for help, and authorities quickly arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. However, the initial investigation didn't bring much clarity

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<v Speaker 1>to the situation. If anything, it only deepened the mystery

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<v Speaker 1>and raised more questions than answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, and I okay, that's quite a visual, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, goes in his house, he turned some

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<v Speaker 2>lights on, but that's not really the case. So it

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<v Speaker 2>would take kind of a little while. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>lighting up this house, probably wondering a why the hell

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't able to get in and be like why

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<v Speaker 2>it is dark?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as you're lighting these lanterns, or whatever the

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<v Speaker 2>hell you're calling them. You see that, Oh that is

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<v Speaker 2>a frickin' nightmare. And a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed, but that's what he was faced with. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, all things considered, I mean regarding this situation, like,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't in any sort of disarray when he looked around.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like there was shit everywhere, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>clear struggle or anything. And aside from a few like

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<v Speaker 1>slightly out of place things, it just kind of all

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like, you know, the regular house of course, other

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<v Speaker 1>than you know, ah, my wife's dead right there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, so yeah, there was no obvious sign of

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<v Speaker 1>a struggle. Blood was found in only two places, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>near Julia's body and in the bathtub of the home. Notably,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no blood on William's clothes that he was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing that evening. Now, there was evidence of a cabinet

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<v Speaker 1>being broken into, with four pounds missing from the cash

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<v Speaker 1>box inside. Remember this is over it, okay, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's four pounds. However, beyond that, nothing suggested a robbery

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<v Speaker 1>gone wrong, and there wasn't the kind of disarrayed expect

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<v Speaker 1>from someone ransacking the place either. One peculiar detail was

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<v Speaker 1>the apparent disappearance of two items, a fire poker from

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<v Speaker 1>the fireplace and an iron bar. Now, that bar reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>was discovered years later during renovation on the house, but

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<v Speaker 1>the poker itself. The fire poker was never found. Many

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<v Speaker 1>believed that it was most likely the murder weapon, given

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<v Speaker 1>how Julia's body was found next to the fireplace and

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of her injuries. Now, despite the search of

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<v Speaker 1>the surrounding area, this fire poker just simply vanished. In

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<v Speaker 1>cases like this, investigators of course naturally follow every possible lead,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, follow the evidence, as they say. Yet with

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<v Speaker 1>the Wallace's nothing significant seemed to emerge from the crime

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<v Speaker 1>scene or the investigation. There was no individual discovered with

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<v Speaker 1>a motive that would want to harm Julia. Julia herself

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<v Speaker 1>was known for being shy, reserved, sticking close to her

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<v Speaker 1>husband and keeping to her It seems almost unimaginable that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone would target her, let alone, in such a brutal way.

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<v Speaker 1>If this wasn't a botched burglary, then what could have

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<v Speaker 1>been the motive. Many believe that whoever this rm quaal

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<v Speaker 1>throw was, that they were the true killer. They were

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who brought William two men of Gardens East,

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<v Speaker 1>which didn't exist as a ploy to get him out

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<v Speaker 1>of the house so they could strike, assuming of course,

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<v Speaker 1>that William an RM weren't the same person.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what the shit? They could be the same person.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what unbelief.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know why. I wasn't expecting that. See

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<v Speaker 2>my brain right now. I was either thinking that something

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<v Speaker 2>bad was going to happen that night when he was

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<v Speaker 2>like you told to go somewhere, or even the night before,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was just like a phone call, like making

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<v Speaker 2>sure he was there kind of thing, right, Because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense. He does have this these weekly things

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<v Speaker 2>where he goes in place chess, So why do we

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<v Speaker 2>have to make up this make believe shit too.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll kind of touch on that. Okay, you're totally on

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<v Speaker 1>the right track with your thought, one hundred percent, but

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get there, okay. So in any case, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>with the closest person to the victim, they're usually a

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<v Speaker 1>suspect right away, and such William was put under the microscope. However,

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<v Speaker 1>there were no rumors of infidelity, there were no reports

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<v Speaker 1>of strained marriage, and from the start, public opinion, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was firmly against William to them, the only person to

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<v Speaker 1>have a plausible motive to kill Julia was in fact

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, but there just again seemed to be no

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<v Speaker 1>reason for motive.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, when this.

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<v Speaker 1>Case went to trial against William, this sentiment carried over

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<v Speaker 1>to the jury, who, after four days of proceedings, took

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<v Speaker 1>a mirror one hour and sentenced William to death by

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<v Speaker 1>the gallows. They sentenced William to hang for the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just they were that sure, hey, yes, because

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I'm like, well, I didn't just sit through

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<v Speaker 2>a court case, I guess, but like, doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't, I mean. The verdict came with a severe

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<v Speaker 1>lack of any direct evidence, no quote unquote smoking gun,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, nothing that linked William to the murder scene.

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<v Speaker 1>He unfortunately wasn't convicted because the prosecution had proven his

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<v Speaker 1>guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. He was instead convicted because

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<v Speaker 1>he was the only suspect they had, and they convicted

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<v Speaker 1>him and sentenced him to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Because nothing else seemed like it could be plausible, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess exactly to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>However, however, this lack of evidence was very clear, and

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<v Speaker 1>the conviction was simply absurd too many. Even the presiding

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<v Speaker 1>judge took issue with the jury's decision. As I said,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a big split in the courtroom, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge disagreed with the jury's wrong. He reminded them

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<v Speaker 1>that their duty was to acquit William unless they were

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent certain of his guilt and based on

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that he had killed Julia. The judge he even

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<v Speaker 1>emphasized the case wasn't about uncovering who killed Julia. This

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<v Speaker 1>case that they're talking about in the courtroom right now

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<v Speaker 1>was strictly whether William was guilty and if so, what

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<v Speaker 1>was the proof that supported that claim. That's what they're

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<v Speaker 1>in the court for, not who killed her. It's did

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<v Speaker 1>he kill her or did he not? And if he did,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the proof? Okay, So, whether William was guilty or

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<v Speaker 1>innocent will forever remain unknown and in contention. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at the most common arguments for and

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<v Speaker 1>against him. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But so that that was like he was found guilty,

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<v Speaker 2>then like that's that he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was found guilty and he was sentenced to the gallows.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, Okay, Okay, Like I don't know, it just seems

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<v Speaker 2>so weird. To me that even the judge is like,

427
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<v Speaker 2>you know, questioning this.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get back to a little bit of the court

429
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<v Speaker 1>stuff here too.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you worry.

431
00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I know where your head's at, and trust me, I

432
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<v Speaker 1>did that on purpose.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Of course, you did your kind of torturing us today.

434
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie.

435
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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those cases where it was a

436
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<v Speaker 1>torture researching it, because it's all open ended like that.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Now.

438
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<v Speaker 1>One major point regarding whether he did or didn't do

439
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<v Speaker 1>it is the question of motive. William just didn't seem

440
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<v Speaker 1>to have one. As I mentioned, there's no reports of

441
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<v Speaker 1>marital issues, there's no secret lovers, and no big insurance

442
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.160
<v Speaker 1>payout to gain. And if someone were able to pull

443
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<v Speaker 1>off an insurance scheme, William, being an insurance dealer, would

444
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<v Speaker 1>have been one to know how to do it instead. Well,

445
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Julia had been insured, but for just a modest sum

446
00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:50.599
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of considered average at the time. It

447
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:54.599
<v Speaker 1>was just your regular insurance claim. So to top it

448
00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.519
<v Speaker 1>off after her death, William didn't undergo any dramatic lifestyle

449
00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:03.440
<v Speaker 1>changes either, or for that matter, he just continued to

450
00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.799
<v Speaker 1>live his life. Of course, though it's impossible to know

451
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:10.079
<v Speaker 1>what really goes on in a marriage behind closed doors. Right,

452
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.440
<v Speaker 1>they may have been having more troubles than anyone's aware of.

453
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<v Speaker 1>So let's play devil's advocate here for a moment. Okay,

454
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<v Speaker 1>Let's assume that William did want Julia killed. That means

455
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<v Speaker 1>he would have had to come up with a plan,

456
00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:27.799
<v Speaker 1>the elaborate plan. Okay, because if he wants or killed,

457
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<v Speaker 1>he also has to initiate this RM quothro individual, whether

458
00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:33.920
<v Speaker 1>he's the phone caller or he hires.

459
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<v Speaker 3>Someone to do it.

460
00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.960
<v Speaker 1>So he's got to come up with this plan, and

461
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<v Speaker 1>he would have to stage his phone call from a

462
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<v Speaker 1>fictitious client during a time when everyone at the chess

463
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<v Speaker 1>club would hear about it. His address at this fake

464
00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:50.039
<v Speaker 1>men Love Garden East. It would provide him with a

465
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<v Speaker 1>rock solid alibi for being away from the house when

466
00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.680
<v Speaker 1>his wife is killed. Right, right, So this being a

467
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<v Speaker 1>potential is supported by a piece of evidence that was

468
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<v Speaker 1>fann This is something that was discovered. The phone call

469
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<v Speaker 1>from this RM was traced to a phone booth that

470
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<v Speaker 1>was just four hundred yards from the Wallace home where

471
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<v Speaker 1>the murder took place, which means it was very easy

472
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<v Speaker 1>for William to go to that phone booth and make

473
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<v Speaker 1>a call right so as the timeline is laid out

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<v Speaker 1>by the prosecution in court. They suggested that William could

475
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<v Speaker 1>have left his house at seven to fifteen pm, reached

476
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<v Speaker 1>the phone booth by seven eighteen pm, and made the

477
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<v Speaker 1>call that was answered at the Chess club at seven twenty.

478
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<v Speaker 1>They also argued that whoever RM was, they clearly had

479
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:44.920
<v Speaker 1>intimate knowledge of William's schedule enough to note that he'd

480
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<v Speaker 1>be at the chest that night, So who else could

481
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<v Speaker 1>it have been? So they're saying William on his way

482
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>to the Chess Championship stop by the phone booth, placed

483
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<v Speaker 1>the call himself, then proceeded to the hall at the venue,

484
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<v Speaker 1>and then received the message that he himself delivered.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Shit that kind of makes sense, it does, doesn't it?

486
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<v Speaker 2>And because then he can ask around that night like

487
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<v Speaker 2>do you know who this guy is? Like where is

488
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>this oh man? That really makes sense, it really does.

489
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.920
<v Speaker 1>But William's defense had some strong rebuttals to this theory.

490
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<v Speaker 1>Even the venue owner himself, who took the call and

491
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:29.559
<v Speaker 1>knew William. He noted that RM's voice sounded nothing like William.

492
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<v Speaker 1>It's plausible that this RM was watching William to leave

493
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 1>the house waiting for him to pass his phone booth

494
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:38.599
<v Speaker 1>before taking that as a signal to act, almost framing

495
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>William from making the call himself. But why didn't RM

496
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>simply attack Julia then and there when William was at

497
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the chess championship and RM clearly knew that he was

498
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.279
<v Speaker 1>there at this chess championship, because I mean, hey, he

499
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>placed the call there and he made the plans for

500
00:25:53.680 --> 00:26:00.759
<v Speaker 1>the next day instead. Why is that the case? It's unknown,

501
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 1>but the defense team in the court was able to

502
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.759
<v Speaker 1>provide an important detail on how RM could have known

503
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:12.839
<v Speaker 1>William's schedule. See, since William was participating in the championship game,

504
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:16.720
<v Speaker 1>his name was listed on the club's public roster, which

505
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:20.200
<v Speaker 1>was available for anyone to view, very open in the public,

506
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>probably on a bulletin board in the venue. So it's

507
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.759
<v Speaker 1>not far fetched to believe that someone could have actually

508
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 1>planned this simply by looking at that piece of paper,

509
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.440
<v Speaker 1>knowing he would have been there.

510
00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.440
<v Speaker 2>But then it also makes sense that they would could

511
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<v Speaker 2>have just done this crime that night exactly.

512
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Why not just do it that night mm.

513
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, instead of like trying to get him out of

514
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 2>the house again.

515
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, some think that RM must have known the

516
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Wallaces personally at least to some degree. They believed he

517
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>left the message with the venue owner instead of waiting

518
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 1>to call back and speak to William directly to avoid

519
00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.200
<v Speaker 1>speaking with him and like having his voice record. Right now,

520
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.599
<v Speaker 1>the most debated aspect of this case, aside from, of course,

521
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 1>whether William committed the murder or not, is whether William

522
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>could have actually physically committed committed the crime at all.

523
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>And it all boils down to that timeline, that very

524
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>important time window that I said that fifteen minutes. So

525
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.559
<v Speaker 1>let's go back and take a look at it. If

526
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 1>you remember that milk boy stopped by and saw Julia

527
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 1>alive and well at around six thirty pm, and the

528
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>next time William was accounted for was approximately seven to

529
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>ten pm, and this was about twenty minutes away from

530
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 1>their home, Right, that's where he was spot at, twenty

531
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.519
<v Speaker 1>minutes away. This means at the very least William would

532
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>have had to leave the house by six point fifty

533
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>pm to reach this location in time. So for William

534
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:46.039
<v Speaker 1>to be guilty, he would have had to need to

535
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 1>kill Julia clean up the scene because it was not

536
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.559
<v Speaker 1>a dirty scene. Right, there is blood found a little

537
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.640
<v Speaker 1>bit in the bathtub and at her body, no disarray

538
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>on nothing, so ensure that no blood got anywhere in

539
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the process, including on himself and his own clothing.

540
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Hide the murder weapon.

541
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe even if he did get blood in his clothes

542
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and he changed them, hide those clothes as well, All

543
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>within twenty minutes. He would have had to commit that

544
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>crime in twenty minutes to be seen at the location

545
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>he was.

546
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Seen, because he was legitimately seen, yes, over there, yes

547
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.160
<v Speaker 2>by numerous several people.

548
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, because remember he asked for directions from police public

549
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:31.599
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, Now, as I mentioned, the house was

550
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>quite remarkably clean, with blood contained only around her body,

551
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.799
<v Speaker 1>bathtub blah blah blah blah blah. And the idea of

552
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 1>someone working that quickly while escaping the scene leaving it tidy,

553
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 1>though it seems far fetched, it may not be entirely possible.

554
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Twenty minute window. People can do a lot in twenty minutes, right. However,

555
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the prosecution placed a lot of weight on that milk

556
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.759
<v Speaker 1>boy's claim that he collected Julia's payment at six thirty pm,

557
00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>but this wasn't as solid of a timeline as they hoped.

558
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>A local paper girl testified that she saw the milk

559
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.839
<v Speaker 1>boy at William's door number twenty nine the address as

560
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>she was leaving the neighbor's house number twenty seven at

561
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 1>allegedly around six forty three. A group of neighbor boys

562
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 1>backed this up, stating they saw the paper girl leaving

563
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:22.799
<v Speaker 1>a few minutes after six forty five. Oh boy, yeah,

564
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>so instead of six thirty, it's six forty five fifteen

565
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.759
<v Speaker 1>minute difference, yeah, which means William would have had to

566
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>do that in five minute minutes.

567
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>But Kate, but could he have done this after like

568
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>after he got home, you know, when he was like

569
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>struggling with the getting the locks opening the door.

570
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe so, no, because he would have gotten

571
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>home and he had the witnesses of his neighbors, you know,

572
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's prior to Again, he would have had only

573
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.799
<v Speaker 1>a few minutes because he's he was traveling by train, right,

574
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 1>so he had a I mean, I don't have this

575
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.519
<v Speaker 1>in the case written out, but he would have had

576
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>a train stub from his time traveling, so that again

577
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>would have left no time for him to commit this

578
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 1>crime in between arriving and the neighbors witnessing him enter

579
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 1>the house. Well shit, yeah, huh. Okay, so the case

580
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>has no clear direction. There was no hard evidence against

581
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>William and no compelling leading points heading to anyone else

582
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:32.279
<v Speaker 1>at all, no other suspect. Now, Ultimately, William's conviction and

583
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:37.799
<v Speaker 1>sentence were overturned due to insufficient evidence. He never saw

584
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the gallows and he was released.

585
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, okay.

586
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Making his case the first in English legal history to

587
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>result in such a decision someone going to hang on

588
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 1>the gallows and being overturned.

589
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well you a few minutes ago you said something

590
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 2>about like he didn't remarry and stuff. So I was

591
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of like noted, Okay, if I.

592
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Leave you on a cliffhanger, I always leave a little

593
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of bread combs for you for you to know

594
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 1>which direction. And so yeah, I'm glad you caught onto that,

595
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.839
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, he didn't remarry. He was released and yeah

596
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 1>he was not found guilty.

597
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Well this was like the love of his life.

598
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

599
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:20.279
<v Speaker 2>You know. I kind of wonder though, if there was

600
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 2>something going on, like if she I, oh, it's just

601
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 2>terrible to like say bad things like you know what,

602
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>this couple seems so lovely, but maybe she was seeing

603
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.319
<v Speaker 2>someone else. Or something like you don't.

604
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:35.319
<v Speaker 3>Know, right, you don't know.

605
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>So while William was cleared by the courts, night, his

606
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 1>life never really truly recovered. In the public opinion. He

607
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.559
<v Speaker 1>was still seen as guilty and the relentless harassment forced

608
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>him to move away. Now Sadly, his health continued to decline,

609
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 1>as he had moved back to England with health issues. Yeah,

610
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>health continued to decline, and William would die on February

611
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth, nineteen thirty three, a little over two years

612
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>after his wife Julia was murdered.

613
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh probably from like heartbreak too and like the stress

614
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that he would have yeap oh shit.

615
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Now. After William's death, his private diary entries were made public,

616
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>revealing his grief and his just utter heartbreak over the

617
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>loss of his wife. He wrote about Julia with deep fondness,

618
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 1>but also hinted at lingering suspicions. One entry mentioned his

619
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 1>belief that a colleague from work might have been the

620
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 1>real killer. At one point, he even considered hiring a

621
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>private investigator to follow this person, though he never named

622
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>them outright or acted on the idea.

623
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Like before his wife was dead, kind of thing thought about.

624
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>This or like no after she had died, and he's

625
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.559
<v Speaker 1>writing about the greef grief and loss and who he

626
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>thinks did it is contemplating hiring a pi okay, okay,

627
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.759
<v Speaker 1>yeah now. Counts differ on the exact circumstances of William's death.

628
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Some say he passed away after refusing surgery that might

629
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 1>have saved his life, while others claim that the surgery

630
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 1>itself is what claimed his life. But either way, his

631
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>final years were far from glamorous, filled with grief and

632
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately his declining health. If William was innocent, the question

633
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>remains who could have wanted Julia dead and why whoever

634
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.359
<v Speaker 1>committed it was methodical enough not to leave behind any

635
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 1>incriminating evidence, and yet so to the point that here

636
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 1>we are today where there's no clear answers to who

637
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 1>killed her back in nineteen thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was just thinking, like, there could have been

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<v Speaker 2>more evidence, right, I mean so much if we were

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<v Speaker 2>to be if this case were to be happening today,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, more things might have been like picked up

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, potentially.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the story the murder of Julia Wallace

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<v Speaker 1>aka the Impossible Murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm. Wow, And I wonder why he thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>someone at work. Was there anything in there about like

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<v Speaker 2>that he thought maybe Oops, sorry that was loud that

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<v Speaker 2>she had involvement with this person.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I did do a little bit of digging on

651
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<v Speaker 1>who to this individual could be, and it's pure speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>This individual is someone by the name of Richard Gordon Perry,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a former employee at Wallace's workplace. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this isn't the individual that William was suspecting himself.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just someone that others suspect really right, and

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<v Speaker 1>they believe that he's kind of like motivated by like

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<v Speaker 1>a personal grudge or something. And the guy's like known

658
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<v Speaker 1>to be dishonest, had a history of petty crime behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, like he kind of had access to William's

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<v Speaker 1>schedule and might have known, you know that the house

661
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<v Speaker 1>would have been empty and stuff, or known that he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go travel for you know, potential client things

663
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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But so it could have honestly just been to hurt

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<v Speaker 2>William I.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess, yeah, most likely a potential revenge or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, apparently there was also a witness that came forward

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<v Speaker 1>later by the name of Lily Hall claimed that this

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<v Speaker 1>individual confided in her years later about knowing details of

671
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<v Speaker 1>the crime, and she also recalled seeing him wearing a

672
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<v Speaker 1>bloodstained coat shortly after the crime. But this is strictly

673
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just her word.

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<v Speaker 2>Right saying who was wearing a bloodstain?

675
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<v Speaker 1>That this Richard Gordon Perry that works with William.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, huh wow. Wow. Now my brain is just

677
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<v Speaker 2>like going in circles right now.

678
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<v Speaker 1>But that is all circumstantial evidence and nothing to go

679
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<v Speaker 1>on to actually be concrete.

680
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<v Speaker 2>Man, that is just like a bucket of shit right there.

681
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But the biggest question mark I have is not like,

683
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<v Speaker 1>did William do it? Did he not do it? The

684
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<v Speaker 1>biggest question mark for me is why wait for the

685
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<v Speaker 1>following day? Why not during that chess championship?

686
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Maybe do they not? It depends maybe how well

687
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<v Speaker 2>William did at that championship. For how long he'll be

688
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<v Speaker 2>away potentially, well, it was kind of like up in

689
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<v Speaker 2>the air, how long he'd be out of the house.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that it was William?

692
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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I do see him as suspect number one. Most of

694
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<v Speaker 1>the evidence points to him, but I don't think most

695
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<v Speaker 1>of the evidence points to him because he did it.

696
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I think most of the evidence points to him because

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't have evidence for another individual. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that the police unfortunately missed some details. I believe unfortunately,

699
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<v Speaker 1>whoever committed it was careful enough not to leave behind

700
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<v Speaker 1>many details.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I don't.

702
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<v Speaker 1>Think William committed it, but he is the most likely suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fuck that they put his freakin' uh like

704
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<v Speaker 2>diary shit out there after that's so sad. But it

705
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.039
<v Speaker 2>was probably I loved when I'm assuming that was just

706
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<v Speaker 2>trying to like portray his innocence more well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not sure if they like put every single

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<v Speaker 1>word and phrase every page from his diary, but I

709
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<v Speaker 1>they probably made some like important pages, like some things public,

710
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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and too if he had turned down that surgery,

712
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.679
<v Speaker 2>it was probably like, you know, he wanted maybe to

713
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<v Speaker 2>just be with his wife again, right, or what was

714
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<v Speaker 2>the point of living without her or something, which is

715
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<v Speaker 2>o art breaking?

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<v Speaker 3>I agree. Oh okay, so yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>This one almost makes me want to cry a little.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a sad one, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, don't get me wrong, Like all of them

720
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<v Speaker 1>are sad, but this one, just because of that relationship,

721
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<v Speaker 1>tugs at the heartstrings a little, you know, and yeah,

722
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<v Speaker 1>it gets to you in certain ways. So yeah, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you guys enjoyed that one. I had an interesting time

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<v Speaker 1>researching it. It was a little bit of a different

725
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<v Speaker 1>case being that quote impossible murder scenario. Definitely had my

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<v Speaker 1>head spending a few times. I know that for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you did good. You had me on the ende

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<v Speaker 2>of my seat like almost the whole time, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, because you nearly knocked over that stool that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did. I was like really getting into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you guys are interested in checking out more

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate those ratings. And yeah, I mean a lot if

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<v Speaker 1>you go and give us a rating that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>is appropriate. But if I may suggest five.

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<v Speaker 2>Star, five star, and we love that you're sharing the

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<v Speaker 2>Spotify wrap. That is so cool to see. Kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I get excited this time a year when that comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I get super excited, but also a little bit stressed

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, I want to put them all on

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<v Speaker 1>our like Instagram stories, and I hope I'm not missing

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<v Speaker 1>any yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I'm like, we probably have missed a couple,

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<v Speaker 2>but hopefully not. Hopefully not. We're trying our best.

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<v Speaker 3>Send it to us again.

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<v Speaker 1>your message and put it on up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, there we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for being here, and of course, until

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<v Speaker 1>next time, stay wicked.
