Speaker 1: Wrestling too for a mature audience, like, Oh, it's just
done on your daytation account.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to fucking download my game
on the fucking PlayStation account. I want the thing that
I paid money for. Oh no, no, I'm just saying,
how of course you know I got chat on for years.
I just fucking I sold my PlayStation. I just stopped
playing it. So, I mean, I was just sitting there
collecting dust. But people used to shoot on me. When
I go buy the actual physical game, They're like the
dugoad to count and I'm like, no, I don't want
to do that. I want to own the actual fucking thing.
And of course, now that they've decided that they're actually
going to get rid of everything, all I'm seeing is
people being like this is crazy, this is ridiculous. I'm like, yeah,
I fucking I was on that fucking hill years ago.
You knew that that's the shit they were gonna do.
The million times you've gotten fucked over downloading music, Like,
of course they're gonna do the same shit with video games.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were doing this shit with video games back
during Microsoft Windows. For games, Joe, It's not a new thing.
They've been doing this since I want to say, since
game Spy for those of you old motherfuckers that remember
what game spy is. They've been doing this for a while. Actually,
even with Steam right, like, there's a lot of people
that use goog, which is essentially what I kind of
do now too, is where they have the hard copy
of the game, even though it's digital, but you can
always go back to it. You can always download it
yourself and put it on your own hard drive, put
it on your own discs. And that's even what I
do with Steam too, is as soon as I'm done
downloading the whole thing, I fucking back it up on
a hard drive. So even if they delete my game
for whatever reason, I always have a copy to go
back to.
Speaker 2: You know, well, that seems like it's a good idea
at this point, because that is that is the way
of the fucking But that's.
Speaker 3: Not even the park. That's fucking infuriating, really, have you?
So they still sell games at Best Buy, but when
you open them up, they're empty. They come with stickers
and like, fucking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck that, oh my god.
Speaker 3: But it's still a CD case. It's still a DVD case.
You know what?
Speaker 2: I mean so so quite literally, the whole reason why
that exists, I'm going to assume is to give his gifts.
So like when Mema and Pipa want to give the
kid a fucking video game on his birthday, they can
open it up and then be like, well, goods, well
you're good. Don't code in there for you, Like that's
got to be the whole reasoning, right, Sure, that's the glass.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure they're going to tell us, like
Nicky and Breather, you know what it is. Gaming companies
are just worried about the environment. They're trying to save
the worlds from extra plastics, extra microplastics in our penis,
And yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Would love the idea if that was the big plan.
Like they're like, listen, we've rolled back regulations on quite
literally everything that could protect the environment. And to really
show that we're serious about this, we're going to get
rid of jewel cases for the video games.
Speaker 3: Well no, I was going to say, just to show
that they're really serious about it, here's about fifty pounds
of plastic stickers and a plastic three D printed fucking
thermos and a plastic three D printed picture of the
game that you're about to play. Yeah, no, it's thank
god you guys got rid of those discs. Oh the
world is breathing a sigh of relief.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the environment matters when it saves fucking companies money.
That's about it. Look, we're saving we're saving money. It's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Physical music has already gone. Actually, the only thing that's
really coming back, which is fucking weird, and I think
it's just it's again, it's a hipster thing, right because
we've seen the records now, the albums back for a while.
And to be fair, the wild thing about the albums
is that a lot of them are just reprints of
the original albums. So that seems like a giant waste
of you know, resources. But kudos to the ones that
are making the actual albums now with like crazy wacky
new prints, like because they found new ways to to
make the actual vinyl so now they're little pieces of
r so they're cutouts and stuff, and that's cool. That's fine.
I'm okay with that. But what's making a comeback that's
really wild now is I'm getting cassette tape offers everywhere.
Casette tape sucked the first time around. Who the fir
album is looking for a round two of this shit.
Speaker 2: But that's one of those things where, yes, in the
past it was, I mean it was a steal. This
sounds like, you know, back in my day, you could
buy a fucking India nickel, you buy yourself a sandwich
or something. But back when fucking you could go buy
a cassette single for a dollar if you like the
song that you heard on the radio. That was cool
when I was in elementary school. But I can't imagine
somebody wanting, look, I got a cassette of this album
that just fucking came out. It's like, it's gonna sound
like Cheeks. That's gonna sound terrible, man like it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the technology hasn't improved. It's not like, no, there's
some kind of groundbreaking new Sony technology that the Walkman
is going to come back and sound a million times better.
I mean, I guess there's better headphones around and shit.
But now the reality is is cassette tapes were awful.
Eight tracks were awful only as far as the vinyl
stuff goes. I don't know if you want to compare
the new stuff to the old stuff, but it doesn't
even sound the same. You go back and you listen
to Dark Side of the Moon on that classic fucking
black Crack Lee vinyl that they had out there, and
you listen to the newer stuff. Now it's just it's
night and day as far as the way it registers anyways.
Speaker 2: But go on, Well, the whole point of cassettes was
at the time, if I remember correctly, once again, I
was a little kid, but you have to remember it
was they were compact compared to once it like eight
tracks and shit, you know what I mean. So they
were they.
Speaker 3: Were Was there any track portable player? I don't even know,
I'm not even cars. Yeah, yeah, they used to put
it in cars, right, but it was there ever one
like on your person?
Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't think so. But that was I mean,
cassettes you got to think about, like, Okay, if you
bring a bunch of eight tracks in your car, they're
gonna get fucking mangled. But I mean cassettes, Like I
remember specifically owning cases for cassettes to have so you
could bring them in the car. Yeah, and like that
was before CDs, which, like you want to talk about
fucking antiquated shit. I remember fucking kids getting their cars
broken into for people to steal their CD books, And
I was like, now that thing is worth ten fucking cents.
But if somebody broke into your car and sole a
CD book, that was like a thousand dollars worth of
fucking music. Now when you think about it, yeah, which
is bananas. But yeah, no, nobody should be nobody should
be running to bringing back cassettes. But maybe that's what
it is.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It's kind of wild because I'll
look at some of the newer music and now it's
here's the offer of it on CD. All No, it's
always first digital download, of course, digital delmoe, that's fine, whatever,
I'm cool with that. CDs, that's fine, you know, CDs whatever,
And then vinyl. And then usually the only reason I
kind of fox with the vinyl is even if you
don't play it, ninety nine percent of the time, it's
a piece of art because the sleeve has its own
artwork on there. And you get one of those real
fancy pants fucking vinyls and somebody has it where it
opens up like a booklet and now you've got like
a fold out poster inside that the.
Speaker 2: That's kicking and there's only fifty press and it's this color. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now there's cassettes now. Even back in the day,
I'm sure you remember Causetts had to fold out shit too,
but even at the most it looks like a roll
of toilet paper.
Speaker 2: Like that good shit. Yeah, they were terrible. I mean
I I remember them being so fucking flimsy and shittily made. Yeah,
once they figured out the technology on how to like
make it so you just couldn't hit record and play
at the same time. I used to fucking screw up
my sister's tapes as a kid because I'd want to
listen to it and I'd be like, oh, I'm a
press play and then you hit record with it too,
and you're like, oh god, I just fucked up our
best of Disney.
Speaker 3: We had that advanced technology back in the day, Joe,
that would protect people from that. It was called popping
the tab.
Speaker 2: Yes yeah. Or if you wanted to just tape over
someone's shitty tape of something that they didn't like, it
was called scotch taping.
Speaker 3: Oh, we use a little snot paper, and we use
a little in the holes.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, even well, I'll tell you we were real
fancy then with that, with that little scotch tape.
Speaker 3: We didn't have scotch tape relatively available, but we did
have shit paper shit tickets.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they like then when they were done, took
them right out recycling, put them right in your butt
pretty much.
Speaker 3: But you know, speaking of putting it in the button technology.
So I saw you were analyzing that Mason Rooks match.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh boy, fantastic, isn't he. I'm I'm
fascinated by him in the same exact way that like
the four hundredth guy that just does high spots on
aw where I'm like, okay, this is I feel like
this has been done six hundred fucking times. But at
least with some of the flippy guys, there's ones that
have more a little bit more personality than the other. Right,
like Leo Rush currently doing his gimmick, but he's still
doing his high spots and shit like that, but he's
got something there. Right, I'm sitting down and I'm watching
the fucking the fact get here, and I'm going this
is purely three hundred people in a room that are
all doing their Disney adult thing like we've been talking
about where it's just like, hey, you learned a little
jingle about the guy, and that's what you're gonna do,
because otherwise I'm going I don't see what is special
about this at all.
Speaker 3: He is the answer to polite society. That's what he is.
He is. Nobody's going to say anything mean about Mason
Rook and if you do, you're just you're a hater.
You're a hater.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm without any sort of issue with
wrestlers who are out of shape. I mean to me, like,
at least as far as if it's a part of
your gimmick in the presentation and you can find a
way to incorporate that into your character. Fucking cool, you
know what I mean. Like it's a it is truly
not up to me what somebody has decided to be
put on television and Joe anymore obviously, duh. But I
just it just like crosses my eyes with confusion where
this dude comes out and it's like I'm a tank
and there's metal music and I'm heavy and he's in
like a women's fucking baby blue bathing suit.
Speaker 3: With pretty hot I thought, I was like, man, what
a he's going out for a night on the town. Yeah,
that's the But I mean, I want to go back
to what you were saying about him as a wrestler
and being out of shape. And I think most people
agree that there's in shape, out of shape guy, and
then there's just out of shape, out of shape guy.
And Mason Rooks me is out of shape, out of
shape guy. And the reason I'll say this is because
majority of his moves were not power moves. They were
all leverage moves. Sidewalk slam, you know, the clothes line
off the rope, like everything he really did was leverage.
And I'm like, they're talking about, oh, hell, body slam
your dad. Can he pick my dad up?
Speaker 2: Like my dad better be jumping for him. He's jumping,
he's posting.
Speaker 3: And I laughed. I laughed when I got to the
point of the match where you were fucking howling at
the fact that this guy, at the very end of
the match struggled to pick this kid up Jackson in
a fucking gorilla press, and he did. He literally branched
him on his shoulders like he was a mink stole.
Like it's just you can't even pick this kid up.
And the absurdity of the match in general, of him
basically fighting this fucking one hundred pounds t wink right,
no offense. But he is a small guy guy, he
really is, and to put him up against Mason and
they're evenly matched was a silly decision in itself. I
don't know if the thought process behind this other than
it's what polite society wants. Polite society wants to give
everybody a turn at the table, and I guess Mason
Rook is standing all stand up for all the chubby
tubbies out there.
Speaker 2: So well, do you know what? I think? It's a
lot has to do with the gear. The work is fine.
Speaker 3: Come on, dude, if you're coming out there as a
tank and this big fucking daddy, right, and you can't
lift up a guy who weighs half.
Speaker 2: Of your body size, well he's trying to post on
your shoulder, because yeah, he's like.
Speaker 3: Come on, that's really bad. Like I'm not I'm not
a guy who's ever been in the ring or nothing,
but I mean, if you can't pick up a guy
who weighs one hundred something pounds, maybe like what the
fuck are you even doing in the ring, Like You're
not even athletic at that point, Like that's somebody that
goes to the gym on weekends. Can fucking do that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: It's well, the biggest problem with the whole thing is
the presentation. And like when I say the work doesn't
look that bad, like I'm like, okay, the punches, and
it's like he's very much so going through the motions.
And one of the biggest criticisms that I would have
just watching him and seeing what he's doing, it was
like you said, I'm a thank I'm supposed to. He
doesn't make a peep, He doesn't make a in the ring.
He's quiet as a fucking church mouse. But then I realized,
I'm like, you know, why isn't he when he's doing
these big app I'm doing an avalanche, why is he
not making a noise? And I realized he's blown up?
Speaker 3: Is that it? Or is it because they decided to
have Booker t answer his phone live in the middle
of the fucking match for some weird reason, so everybody
could hear because it happened to be random Rush are
fucking three sixty four saying I'm going to be back books.
Speaker 2: That was so incredibly confusing. Just at that point of
the match, it's like you hear a really obvious fake
phone noise.
Speaker 3: It's not even a real phone, Like I don't know
what it's even. It's like a phone tone. It's sounded
like somebody's emergency, like pag your winner something. It did
not sound like a phone.
Speaker 2: They couldn't get It was like a fire alarm for
a second. I'm like the people because the people in
the building got quiet now, like they don't know what
the fucking is.
Speaker 3: Everybody's gonna get monoxidil monoxid yes, but still.
Speaker 2: Who was who was there that night? Budget? But that honest,
honest to fucking god, the presentation with the kid is rotten.
And like I said in the in the ring, the
actual physical like the punchers in the Kicks and whatever.
I'm like, okay, it doesn't look as bad as even
like I've given a guy like Trick Williams shit for
jay Us, right, I'm like, all right, that's that's close enough.
But the matches themselves are the matches I've seen are
fucking dumb. They're poorly put together. The kid, the presentation
of the kid is fucking awful, like shit shave his head,
do something, because like he's just a big fat s See.
Speaker 3: Honestly, that's not the part that bothers me. The part
that bothers me is that he comes in there as
a big dude suppose to be throwing his fucking weight around,
and he can't pick up a hundred pound guy. He
can't do it. That's the part that bothers me. That's
just that's fucking weird. And you're in a wrestling ring
and you can't pick up a hundred pound guy, the
fuck is wrong with you? Why are these people defending
him so hard? You should be laughing this guy out
of the goddamn company.
Speaker 2: I think it's a part of it is that because
the people that they don't like or they feel like
they're they're antiquated. It's old people, old manuals at Cloud,
they feel the inclination to stand up for him. Just
I feel like in the same way a half dozen
years ago, when I'd be like this or that about
MJF and I'm not crazy about this or this kind
of sucks or this isn't particularly good. The people that
wanted to defend him because oh no, he's Roddy Piper
or he's just like the old wrestlers. He's just like,
you know, fill in the blanket. I'm like, yeah, but
that doesn't change the fact that what is actually happening
is not great. Like, even if there's elements of it
that you like, that doesn't mean that it's good.
Speaker 3: What the problem is it ruins other people around him. Right,
So if we want to go down the rabbit hole
on this, so you take this four hundred pound dude,
I'm just being facetious, hobvious, He's not four hundred but whatever.
You take this four hundred pound two three and you
tell him, you know, go out there and wrestle. He's like, oh, yeah,
but I can't lift anything over one hundred and one pounds.
And I'm like, okay, well, you know, I guess we'll
work with that. And so now you have other people
that are going to be wrestling against this guy literally
dumbing themselves down physically and otherwise in order to compensate
for his lack of being able to lift one hundred
and one pounds. So now you've severely limited the move
sets in the ring, or you've put these other opponents,
these other talents in harm's way by having them do
stupid shit in order to keep making Mason Rook look
like a big, bad daddy slamming tank. And then on
the flip side of things, now you've trained the fans
that people that can't lift one hundred and one fucking
pounds are all of a sudden powerhouse Goldberg type fucking monsters,
and we should be afraid of them. We should be
afraid of guys like Mason Rook. He's terrifying and that's
what sells tickets. And this, this to me, is the
real fucking problem. Yeah, the guy wearing the baby blue
fucking one piece swimsuit from nineteen fifty four, that's hot,
I got it. But it's the problem is is the
fact that I don't believe a guy that can't pick
up fucking Tyler Bates on his fucking heaviest day. You know,
It's just I don't know, I don't know what you
do with it.
Speaker 2: It just it looks, it looks so bad. And yes,
like I said to me, the main point, the main
problem is the lack of personality and the presentation overall,
and the people that are like, no, no, per well,
there's no berthing out Like I said, he doesn't make
a fucking single noise in the ring. There's no real
facial express. He'll make like a I'm a grazy guy
face like two or three times in the match, but otherwise,
other than that, it's just like, very very plain. It
gives me. It's it's giving morbidly obese Roderick strong to me,
that's what it's giving. And like, I'm where is the
look and move look you're doing to move And you're like,
is there a semblance of a personality somewhere in there?
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because there's going to be.
Like you said, the dizzy adults, I think it's just
a group of NXT or the New Wave wrestling fans,
the ones that are.
Speaker 2: Which in Orlando, they're literally that, which is even funnier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're just they just think that this guy
is the wave of the future. And you know what,
maybe an AIWWE land, maybe he is Joe. Maybe this
is just another one of those fucking seals, one of
those signs broken across the sky by the Lord above
that this is what wrestling is going to be in
the next fifteen years. Mason Rook will be world heavyweight
champion and he just beat a sixty year old Seth
Rollins for the title.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, though, that's going to get it back to
the next night.
Speaker 3: So yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But it was a hard spot battle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a hard five battle. It went for
twenty seven minutes. For some reason, it's a miracle that
Mason rup didn't have a coronary.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I thought you meant twenty seven minutes in the booking,
Uh in the creative room, but yeah, no, for sure,
it's uh, it's not good. And I guess Jim Cornett's
kind of losing his shit about it. And I saw
people online. I saw some back and forth. Uh, some
some rando was saying that, telling Jim that nobody's gonna
remember who Nick Bockwinkle is or no, what do you say,
Nick bock and Winkle, Nobody's gonna remember Nick bocken Winkle.
I'm like, well, I don't even know who the fuck
Nick bochen Winkle is, but sure, yeah, no, nobody's gonna
remember Nick bock and Winkle and uh, but they'll remember
Mason Rook. And I'm just like, oh, and of course, Jim,
Jim Cornette went off.
Speaker 2: On that good fuck you motherfucker, which which this This
is the funny thing for me in that situation where
it's you know, well, you know what, the kids don't
remember who like a Nick Bockwinkle is like, and that's
fine because the kids don't remember who fucking Steve Blackman is,
you know what I mean? Like the world moves on
and career too, like Ken Shamrock. Like imagine explaining Ken
Shamrock to some of these fucking kids.
Speaker 3: Now, what about an even better idea? What about Tank
abbot Ah, it's another Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: They think he was a great worker, this Tank Abbott
as hell. I mean, honestly, guy, When you really think
about it, Ken Shamrock, at one point, it's like he
was legitimately pretty fucking good in the ring. He obviously
had the credentials.
Speaker 3: He was an unbelievable so many storylines. He was Vince
McMahon's personal hitman there for a while.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, no sense, Yeah it all made sense. And
like now you think about it, like if they would
have bring in some usc guy, gee, I wonder how
they'd get him. Uh, they probably bring in that fucking
Irish kid with the riff raff air. They'd be like,
that's the henchman.
Speaker 3: Benzel's already here, bro.
Speaker 2: Shot. I think it's Sean O'Malley. I think that's which.
I'm sure he would beat the he could beat the
dog shit out of people. But it's still like the
aesthetic of it. Once again, like Mason Rook, who really
hurt someone? I'm like, yes, but if you see this guy,
he's one hundred and seventy pounds dude with face tattoos
that if you put a baggy shirt on him, nobody
would know. They think you work at the fucking gas station.
And that's not saying that he's not dangerous, but like,
we're in a world of aesthetics here. We're living at
a time where we'd love to think that people have
moved past like that looks like X so that means why,
But it's somehow getting maybe worse in a lot of respects.
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of like the video game industry. I
mean going back to that, like seriously, that was a
I know, I'm trying to make this full circle a
little bit, but so like the CGI graphics. I saw
something on Batista and they were making graphics for Batista
in the new WWE game, and people were upset that
you can't even that a billion dollar company was the quote,
A billion dollar company can't even make realistic looking wrestlers now,
but they look at games from fifteen years ago and
are just amazed at how much better the graphics were
back then. And somebody along the lines came up with
an answer which made fucking perfect sense. When the technology
came out back then, or when wrestling was good back then,
it was fresh and new. It was they were trying
to impress everybody with what they knew, their technological advancement,
their achievements. But now many years later, they're just trying
to cut corners. They're just trying to make the most
money with the least amount of effort. So the fact
that you will still buy shitty looking video game in
twenty twenty six, enough to complain about it, but enough
to keep buying them, that's their level. That's where they
know they can stay because they don't need to try
any harder. And same thing with wrestling. They know that
you will continue to watch wrestling with guys like Mason
Rook as the bar of what's good in wrestling, and
as long as you keep showing up. As long as
you keep tweeting him out and buying his stuff and
buying his merch and praising what a great and fucking
wonderful wrestler Mason Rook is. That's where they're going to stop.
That's where they're going to leave it. Why try to
give us Rock versus Austin when when they can give
us Mason Rook versus what Alexander or what was the
names kid? Jackson?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jackson Jackson? Uh yeah? Why would they bother
when they can just you know, even on the main roster. Hey,
why don't we Jackson Drake?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you? Drew Yes, sorry I forgot his
last name?
Speaker 2: It was two who fucking first name? Having? Motherfucker the
fuck out of here.
Speaker 3: He's really really good at what is he a big
stratigo player? That he's a big strateigo player?
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's a child like this.
Speaker 3: Is Mason Rook is a young lad too? What is
he like?
Speaker 2: I know he's twenty nine, he's twenty nine, but he
looks eleven and a half. So and then the other
kid too, who the Jackson Drake kid? He also looks
really young because well he is I think he's like
twenty one or twenty two or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And this is where it's like it becomes a it
becomes a problem because then you just have these guys
work in each other and none of them look like
grown men.
Speaker 3: And that's like, but that's how people wik that's what
they want to know. Hey, they want that. They want
Booker getting phone calls during the show, Like I mean, hey, sure,
let's let's do more of that. Maybe maybe Michael Cole
and Corey Graves can both could call at the same
time from them from their significant other and they can
cross lines. And Michael Cole is sexting up Carmela and
Corey Graves is just on on hold.
Speaker 2: I think I think the guy that they did the
promo for two is that No, that's not Roxy's boyfriend.
That's somebody, And I think that's the guy that's married
to Maxine. Like we were talking about the other day
where they're pretending that that Maxine has a has a
boyfriend on raw and her husband's on n XT. It
like the fucker we dooing. But yeah, it's it's absurd,
and I'm not sure where they're gonna go from here.
As far as like the people that they have in
NXT and those that they're bringing up. Uh, what I'm
seeing down there anytime I tune on an XT is
a lot of kids that are years out and I
don't mean like a year years out from being already.
Speaker 3: Well as back to the Shawn Michaels thing that he
said on what was it Unpopular or whatever? Yeah, when
he was basically saying that, look, do you guys want
him ready or do you want him ready right now? Ready,
right now, ready, right right, one of those and you
can just feel the the well, all right, I can
I can do that, I guess you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I can. It's like somebody's cooking food
for you and they're like, oh, I need that right now,
and you're like, well, I can just give you raw
eggs on a plate. And I'm like, what on toasted
toast raw eggs on a plate? Does that sound good
to you? Fucking dangly bacon? Here you go, there's breakfast.
Speaker 3: Mason isn't the only one getting fucking shipped on. Stephanie.
Her boyfriend Miles Bourne's getting shipped on.
Speaker 2: But a deaf guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, people are going after him saying that he
didn't earn his spot in the company, he didn't pay
his dues, and uh yeah, yeah, he didn't pay his dues.
Speaker 2: None of them du down.
Speaker 3: I know, that's right.
Speaker 2: What are they talking about? They just pick came out
of a hat. That's that's nice. He said, definitely out
of a hat because he came.
Speaker 3: From amateur wrestling, right, Like it's the same thing. We'll
get to Chad Gable, like Tiffan came from the outside. Well,
we'll get to that in a second. But so he's
on the interview and he says, yeah, absolutely. I mean
everybody has a different background than they come from. You know,
I never really when I first got to the w WE,
I didn't know about this side of the things, but
I experienced a little bit of it, started seeing it,
and it was nothing like, you know, all the energy
in the PC is good, everyone's supportive, but there are
some you know, side conversations about like outside of the
NXT of course, like fan bases and you know, oh,
he didn't pay his dues, he didn't come through the indies,
he's just another athlete whatever. And I unders I get it,
you know, as a wrestler when we've had outsiders come
into our world. I felt the same way. We were like, oh,
you're in our world. Now, you know it's going to
be a little tough for you guys. But then again,
I didn't come from just an average sport, and no
knock against any sport I came from. I believe one
of the hardest sports there is. It's amateur wrestling. You're
in a fight every day, and to grind, you're cutting weight,
you can't eat all the time, you're having to dehydrate yourself,
and on top of that, you're having to perform on
elite levels. This isn't like another sport where you can
just feel good, have nutrition, you're hydrated, everything's top tier,
and then you go perform, you feel like shit, and
you're going out there and you're grinding. Someone else's blood
is on top of you, someone else's spit. It's just
it's just it's just a nasty, grinding sport. So when
people say, oh, you know, I didn't pay my dues,
I think, actually, no, I paid more dues. You know
we paid we paid more. Okay, I pulled my body
through so much more than anybody knows about who wasn't
in those sauna rooms. So absolutely when they say I,
I say okay, And I know, right if that's what
you think, you're going to be fooled the moment we
lock up in the ring, you're gonna realize that you
might have to come from the indies. But my background
it transitioned perfectly into what we do now. But that's
an interesting thought though too, is that And that's where
I was kind of going with it. Where you were
alluding to, is in twenty twenty six, is there really
even dues left to pay? Like I know that there's
even obviously there's still you know, all the companies that
WWE hasn't picked up yet or aw, but I mean,
for the most part, what is paying your dues in
twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2: Joe, Well, with all honestly, with all due respect to Milesbourne,
here this sounds like head cannon from the jump, you
know what I mean, like just everyone's judging me. No
they don't, I assure you, they don't really give a fuck.
But also like yeas, like what is what I hate
at the point?
Speaker 3: How all right? Ship? So it can't just be headcannon
because people must have made it very obvious that they
felt this way to him, because it's not like he
could just walk in and overhear a conversation Joe, there's
gotta be like anonymous fails.
Speaker 2: So he didn't hear a mish, but the signs were there.
It wasn't blessed, blessed this young man tire. But this
is this is where it's fucking crazy to me, right,
is somebody saying, oh, well, maybe he didn't pay the
does or whatever the fuck it is. It's like he's
an athletic, really in shape, good look and do with
a story. That's ww That's what WWE wants right now,
That's what they've wanted for ten plus years, if not
more than that. Oh ye athletic, Oh could we put
you on TV in that pretty face? Oh do you
have a good story to go along with it? Fan
fucking tastic. We'll start there and we'll go from there,
you know what I mean? Like that's honest to god,
Like that goes back so far at this point, Like
that's kind of what Page was even when she first
came in. Oh young pretty goth girl who's from a
wrestling family and she was a carnival girl and blah
blah blah, blah like that is truly all shit that
will get you pushed up in the queue to get
a fucking job in WWE. Everyone knows that that is
not like, well when did this start happening? But truly,
like what is the idea of what payingdus could be
now for at this point? Well, like all the aforementioned
things that I just was talking to you about, how
many of those pieces do you have? Because if you
start out with none of those pieces, then your dues
are gonna be a hell of a lot more fucking
difficult than someone that does have all of them. And
that's not fucking great. And it's like, listen, nothing's a
fucking meritocracy. Anybody that believes that that's really the truth, Like,
you gotta be really smoking some serious dick to be
thinking that everywhere you go in your life, you're just
gonna be like I'm the best, and that means that
if I'm the best at something, I'm definitely gonna get it.
Like fucking hell, where have you how long have you
been alive to believe that bullshit? Like once again, if
you walk in there like even his girl, like the
core the cour is a really fucking good worker, but
like she has a great story and she's insanely fucking hot.
Like if she wasn't, if she didn't have two out
of three of those things, her dues would look a
hell of a lot different. Ranby Julia, yuh be sure,
I guess right, Well, I mean I guess also even
with you know, somebody like her, with Julia, when people
are like, well, they paid their dues and they had
to blubblah blah blah blah, and you're like, yeah, they did.
They went and they traveled and they had all of
those things. They were really really fucking good looking, but
they had to work. They had to learn how to
fucking work in that environment, and that helped him out.
Then you start at the bottom. Even you look at
somebody else, indie girl that's on the show, or I
guess in theories on the show, look at Jordan Grace.
Jordan Grace was a five foot tall, chubby girl that
then got gassed the fuck out and then worked in
TNA for like a decade, and then they saw her
in that rumble and they're like, uh, oopsie, poopsie, we
probably should have hired this girl four years ago. And
now she's on the fucking YouTube channel at best most
of the time. So yeah, so like what's dudes, Like,
what is what that looks like now? Is completely different
and it can be weaponized against people when they feel
like it. And I'm sure that like maybe he does
feel that way. Maybe sometimes he does think to himself like, oh,
maybe the indie guys get a little bit show him
how to do that in the ring because you have
more experience or whatever. The fucking blah blah blah blah blah.
But like that also is where I go right back
to the jump and I say, you're a really athletic,
good looking guy who they had a lot of They
look at and go, you got a hell of a story.
So those are your advantages. So what so what the
fucking guy worked on the indies and Ohio or traveled
around through fucking England for whatever five six years, It's like, okay, well, yeah,
maybe he knows that a little better than you. So
some of the people are going to look and go,
all right, well, maybe we should trust this guy that's
got more practice. But when push comes to shove, whatever
is going to happen down the line unless you see
some big changes. Who is the company going to someday
put money behind a guy that looks like Miles Bourne
or a guy that looks like Mason Rook.
Speaker 3: Uh, whoever is coming to the table with the smallest
paycheck and the biggest overhead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's.
Speaker 3: Ship what you look like. If you can, if you
look like Dan Housen and you can go out there
and move a million tickets and you only want one
hundred thousand a year, you're their favorite. You're you're on
TV every week, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you make three times the amount of what
your salary is and T shirts, then yeah, but this
is but this is also a too like you're just
mentioning two different types of people that are from the
indie pool.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess you know what, that's not fair because
I was answering you from the perspective of the company.
I don't think the company, especially TKL, gives a ship
than results. But as far as the wrestlers go, man,
I don't know. I would I would assume that the
wrestlers probably wouldn't be of fans of a guy like
Mason Rook, you know, I would assume that they would
look at a guy like Mason Rook and go, this
guy isn't gonna get me anywhere. There's no overhead of
having a match with a guy who can't even lift
me up. There's no overhead of a guy who looks
like a fucking human thumb, and there's absolutely no distinctive
qualities about him. Like it doesn't even matter if the
other guy's miles born or not. Hell, even wrestling a
deaf guy is a weird thing, weird enough to put
it on your resume that other people will like, Oh shit, yeah,
you wrestled the deaf guy. Oh that's fucking crazy. How
was that? You know what I mean? Like, it's there's
even in the attempt of doing something different. It means
more on your imprint to social media standing or to
people's memories than it does because you wrestled something dude
that looks like everybody else.
Speaker 2: A big fat kid with a fade. That's it, Like
that's there's nothing even aesthetically interesting to this kid. There's
nothing there but.
Speaker 3: Knock nick knock, knock, bocking, dwinkle tinkle.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's funny to me, somebody was saying earlier,
like the people that defend Mason Rook, a lot of
the times just because that's who they look like, so
they see themselves in him.
Speaker 3: That's weird, Like who the heroes to look like them?
What is that ship?
Speaker 2: That's like that's like confidence in anti confidence at the
same time.
Speaker 3: You know, as a child, I was always a big
fan of the Bastion booger.
Speaker 2: Like, well, well, you know what's the funny thing is
just like all of the big super athlete fucking NFL
guys you see, not maybe not all of them, sure,
some of them are you know, Batista guys or whatever,
but they were always like I love like Jeff Hardy
and you're like the weird goth guy and Trip Pants,
the new metal fucking white guy that's smoking meth. That's you,
Guys's dude, Like yeah, we fucking looking rules, you know,
like and and somebody with like you know, probably you'd
probably get a fucking side eye if you were to
say it, it'll be like, well maybe even might love
d low Brown or something like. They'd look at you
be like fucking you like it's it's whoever you like,
it's whoever resonates with you. Whereas the charisma whoever you
look at and go oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
one of my fucking guys. But like maybe that's it
for some of the people with Rook. But also that
explains to me as well why that whole Jim Cornett
fucking argument started. Because the fucking fat kid from Cobra
Kai was was fucking flapping his gums about it. He's like,
fucking people, can you talk about Jack and chit or whatever?
The fucking It's like, what's his name, Paul, Paul, Paul Housen,
Paul Hauser, Paul Walker House, I.
Speaker 3: Like Paul Housen, Yes, it's.
Speaker 2: Paul House, Paul Walker, Housen, whatever the fuck his name is. Yeah,
It's like, this dude has done pretty good for himself
if you look at the resume and like he's had
a good career. The guy is not a bad actor
by any stretch of imagination. And I'm just confused why
he keeps wanting to mush his fucking round robust being
into the wrestling world to do anything other than create
problems for himself. It's at least doing you know what
I mean, Like you have a real career in a
field outside of wrestling, for what it's worth. All of
these fucking people and like Tiffany Stratton, who were gonna
get to and her whole ordeal. Tiffany Stranton's just waiting
for her fucking contract to run out so she can
go be on fucking Baywatch twenty twenty seven or whatever.
She doesn't want to be doing this. Most of the
people that are getting into wrestling, and I don't even
want to fucking because oh, this could hurt some butts.
But most of them, they get there and they like
wrestling and they're a wrestling fan. But they would stop
doing it tomorrow. If they could be a fucking influencer
and just go like eat a fucking s cargo and
fucking fancy eggs salad or whatever the fuck and make
two million dollars a year, they'd stop tomorrow. So to
go like, oh, why the fucking let me tell you
about wrestling history, dude, Go enjoy your life. You're fucking
you've got all this Hollywood shit and you've got these
connections and you're on Netflix shows and whatever, and like
you're arguing with fucking Dave Meltzer. People on the internet,
got it the funk out?
Speaker 3: What do you Maybe it makes him happy? Right, Like,
you know, there's a point in time. So there was
a point in time that me and you were way
more prominent on social media back in the yay day.
And then I learned that good for you.
Speaker 2: It's just time.
Speaker 3: It's just aggravating. But maybe there are people out there
that genuinely enjoy this stuff. Maybe Paul Walker Housen is
a big fan of confrontation and likes the fact that,
you know, he can tell Jim Cornett about nick and
baching wiggle and uh yeah, it's just kind of his
thing and and people like that. Look at Dave Meltzer.
Dave Meltzer, for all of all of his negatives, still
stays online to fight people left and right. He doubles down,
he triples down, he quintuples down, and Dave will sit
there and fight tooth and nail with some of these people.
But fory blocks or whatever. Like, some people are just
born and bred to just fight through social media and
they love it. They fucking love it. And other people
not so much. Other people are like, ah, you.
Speaker 2: Should, you should at some point outgrow it and realize
that it's a waste of your fucking time and it's
frustrating for no reason. And if you have anything else,
in your life going on, Like just even me thinking
about in the past, like especially like pre COVID and
all the shit that happened for the fucking years have
followed into the abortion we're living in today. I think
about like twenty seventeen. Yeah, and I'm out doing shit
and I'm having fun, and it's like I'm fucking arguing
with somebody on Twitter. Why why you know what? Shit?
Speaker 3: And I totally forgot that this is See, this is
how long we've been off with social media. Thanks for
reminding me. They get paid now, you ca, you get
engagement now. So if you have a blue check mark
and you've met all the criteria for elon Musk, then
you get paid based upon your interactions on Twitter. So
maybe maybe old Paul Walker out there is uh, maybe
he's got all those check marks checks no pun intended,
and maybe he's getting paid to find this shit. Maybe
Twitter is paying him a little penny to piss off
Jim Cornette and have Jim Cornett rant on him for
a day or two.
Speaker 2: But he also has money, Like that's another thing.
Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot. Billionaires don't like more money, Joe just.
Speaker 2: No, well, I mean not who not Today's billionaires. They
they will want they will fucking bleed people dry. But
I mean, like even just somebody being like is that
their excuse? And like you think that's that guy's excuse
in his head where he's like, yeah, sure, I'm arguing
on Twitter for ten hours a day that I could
spend actually doing something with my real career where I
can make real money. But I'm getting fucking fifteen cents
off of this tweet or whatever. The fuck.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's gotta be more than that. I really don't
know the rates that they pay out, but it's got
to be a lot more than that, because eight there's
a lot of people doing it. Be we're joking about
the AI stuff before too, with the engagement of a
fake AI bought audience. But yeah, look, I'm not saying
that the guy is solely living off of his Twitter
earnings or nothing like that. I'm just saying that there
is a possibility that he is getting some chedder out
of it. So, yes, you're right, should he be wasting
his time? Probably not. But you know what, if you're
getting twenty bucks to piss somebody off, and you know,
maybe stay around till it hits thirty, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Well, there's also something too when I think about it,
where just even being in the world that that guy
is coming from the Netflix shows and fucking whatever he
could get, he could get consistent work doing a little
shit probably going forward, because like I said, he's not
a bad actor, right, the guy is a pretty fucking
good actor and anything I've seen him. So you think
to yourself, though, all you're doing when you're putting yourself
out there on something like fucking Twitter, of all things,
and eventually you're gonna say something or present yourself in
some sort of way that could be a detriment to
those fucking roles and those spots and that money you
could make, and for what, and for what to argue
with somebody about fucking macho man Randy Savage wasn't that good.
It's actually ridiculous because Kyle Fletcher's better than him. Fucking
go do something else, do something the fuck else. I
mean truly, and as somebody that'd be like, well, you
don't do a Valker podcast or done a Vukar podcast,
blah blah blah blah blah. Miss if you and I
woke up and had millions of dollars, right, would we
Jesus Christ. We don't do it now. We don't argue
with these chuds on Twitter, Blue Sky, any of that bullshit.
Would you be doing that?
Speaker 3: No? Actually, what I would be doing is I would
be hiring somebody to do it for me and then
cut them in on the the take that we can.
Speaker 2: And then when I realize is that costs too much money,
I got a robot me to do it.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Right from the jump. You wouldn't even hire a person.
Speaker 3: Fuck noo, AI, Hey, I don't. So it's a win guys.
I mean if it's Ai arguing with Ai, who does
it hurts just the just the environment, just to clean water.
That's just Nicky Bree podcast.
Speaker 2: You know, I just love the idea, Like the opening
scene a fucking Terminator two with them ships fucking flying
through the air and the and the crushing the skulls
right and they're like, we ran out of water because people,
because random robots, we're calling each other gay on Twitter
for twenty years and that's why we're out of water.
Speaker 3: And this has this been a South Park episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Dirty Cyberdne Systems modeled one oh one.
I'm here to call you gay and a liptod. That's
what I'm here to do. Are you here to Are
you here to help us protect the human race? No,
that's gay and retarded, don't you hear me? That's what
I do. That's all. That is what the robots have
been made for to do just that.
Speaker 3: But it's even funnier because who's watching, right, Like at
that point if you're paying your Twitter to insult people
and people are in the audience paying their AI to
insult you back, Like, who's is anybody recording this for posterity?
Is this being recorded for future generations? And on March
twenty third, two thousand, In twenty six, the year of
Our Lord Wrestling, Soup said go fuck your mother to
which on Mars.
Speaker 2: But there's so But that's also another part of this too,
where maybe I'm overblowing this because there's so much shit
that's floated around and everything's fucking fake and blah blah
blah blah blah. That Paul Walker housing there, somebody could
you know, be like, hey man, you're gonna be in
the new Garfield movie as Garfield, but we found out
that you said this, and you'd be like, oh, that's
not real. That's not real. Like you could probably get
away with that now because so much shit is fake too.
It's like you could just look at something nah no, no, no,
that didn't happen. No, I didn't do that, Nope, that
was that was a robot.
Speaker 3: It's a roll ball.
Speaker 2: That was just the robots that did that. Which is
is that the final is that like the final form
of the cam Girl where you know, it was like, hey,
look at people. People gonna go on the camgirl site
and they're gonna watch the fucking girl with caddiers jerk
off and they'll pay her money and they're like, listen,
that's too much. Why don't we have robots fight each
other about politics on Twitter? And then you can read
the robots fighting each other and it costs nothing, but
then there's ad engagement for you to read the robot fighting.
And then occasionally maybe a real human flesh and blood
wrestler will get themselves involved in it too, where the
guy that was the fat guy on Cobra Kai will
get involved as well, and then it's like, let's spice
it up by putting in one of those fucking blood
bags into the conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be kind of cool, Like you can set
it up like, uh, what is it that that voicemail
thing that people hired Rick Flair on to do while
he was sober, like cameo, but instea of like cameo,
you can just hire wrestlers to fight people you don't like,
and then the people that you don't like have to
hire wrestlers in order to defend your honor, Like they'd
be great.
Speaker 2: And then at the end they reveal like it's like
a reality show. At the end they reveal if it's
just fucking AI anyways, Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 3: You do it for real though. That's what I'm saying
is like, look, so if you want to call somebody
a bitch and they're like fuck you, and you're a bitch, right,
and now you officially have a feud and you both
happen to be wrestling fans, then depending on how much
money you have, you can hire a wrestler from WWE
to have a match against whoever they can afford. So
you might run across somebody that can afford the fucking
John Cena versus Mason Rook right o, yes, right, or
a brock Lesnar versus Mason Rook and then WWE makes
double the money because they love that. They love when
they can make double and triple the money. They can
put that shit on Raw or SmackDown or a paper
view I'm sorry, ple and then people watch it on
the pl e but you paid for it, so they
get even more money for a match that they would
have booked eventually anyways, you know, it's and obviously the
person that wins is the one that paid more money
for the wrestler that they have come on with, of course, yes, yeah, yeah,
that's that's why he gets honest and fair.
Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe that's just where everything's
gonna go, just complete blatant horseshit out of everybody. Just
everyone's just a disgusting, fucking dancing peasant. And that's and
that's the best case scenario maybe because then, like I said,
it's like then you can make enough money though where
maybe you do like you step up and then you
can hire robots to be your dancing horror peasants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think people would want to watch
robots do that as much as they'd want to watch
people that they they paid to bleed, you know, what
I mean.
Speaker 2: That's a good point, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like, if we can get the robots to bleed, Joe,
I'm there with you. If we can, if we can
get the robots to like feel pain and believably feel pain,
I'm right there with you. But until they can feel,
until until the day that we can teach the robots
how to bleed and how to feel pain, it's it's
still gonna be human beings.
Speaker 2: The guy just leans back in his chair with his remote.
He's like, these these robots don't even have childhood trauma, right,
They're not even trying to fill any holes in their hearts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're watching you're watching porn. Twelve guys, one AI
and she's just taking twelve dicks in the ass and
she's just going uh uh, Like I can't believe this.
Speaker 2: Well, she's not even gonna she's not even gonna feel
bad about this. And then and then convert to his
laund This robots not even gonna o V in a
fucking bathroom in Reno. How am I supposed to feel
anything from this? All?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Well, how many times is this robot gonna go to
anal rehab? None?
Speaker 2: Jesus, you just see you just see the robot. It's
just sitting there and it's next to.
Speaker 4: Johnny sins and he's like, listen, it's not as much
fun when they make eye contact.
Speaker 2: I mean, the robots trying. But you know, I don't know, like.
Speaker 3: You just you know what, Socke, it's a pink flag
that falls out. You know, it's just.
Speaker 2: You're just blowing them like a fucking enemy s game.
Mm hmm. Johnny, we told you to stap cream pie
and the robots slip at these problems we got going
out of here. Just wipe the titties like a fucking
sea dus. That's my expert analysis. You won't get that
from a robot, will yet, Elon, you might get you
might get a robot that will call itself Mecha Hitler,
but you will you won't get this type of commentary. Pal,
Why you guys gotta pay me Nickel. That's important.
Speaker 3: So we've got to talk a little bit about the
Sammy's a backlash. Has been getting a little bit of
the backlash obviously, you know, becoming the new champion stuff.
People have had a lot to say about it, and
uh he went on ESPN and he issued a response
now I don't know, you know what, I'll just read
it if you don't. If you just don't like me,
that's fine. You are certainly allowed to not like me.
But I think if you start getting married to an
archetype of what you have been taught to like this
is what you should want and that then that's all
you boy. I mean, without insulting anybody here, I just
think that's kind of like a lack of I don't know,
free thought, like a lack of intelligence. I mean, what
I'm saying is, this isn't the product I've always purchased.
I mean, and that's fair, but you are allowed to
want other products or enjoy other products. It shouldn't be
that one thing has been sold to you and you
should come to accept that that is the only way
anything needs to be done to me. Sammy's zame. I
equate that with almost staying in your hometown your whole
life and never going to New York City and then
never realizing that there's a whole planet out there, and
there's billions of people out there, and there's billions of
ways to do things, and there's billions of different cuisines
and cultures and dance moves and whatever. There's a whole
universe out there and you got to like, you know,
and maybe I say this because traveling the world has
been so important to me and it's shaped my worldview.
But it's like, man, broaden your horizons little bit, you
know what I mean? And if I'm just not your
of te fair play, but the idea that a champion
needs to be this or needs to be that, I'm like, oh, well,
you're an idiot. Nothing needs to be anything, right, you know,
if it's good, it's good. I've always kind of subscribed
to that, and I don't know, I think the work
I've been putting out over the last few years is good.
Speaker 2: I feel bad that he even has to explain those
to people. I guess this to me just sounds like
it's like Sammy's ain't is trying to explain the world
to people that are in like third grade. That's what
it sounds like to me.
Speaker 3: He is explaining things wrong. I'm sorry because by his definition,
then we should make Mason Rook the world heavyweight champion tomorrow.
Because according to Sammy's a, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter,
it doesn't matter who's in the main events. It doesn't
matter who's being chosen, because you know, if you don't
like Mason Rook, that's fine, go on and do something else,
Like he said, there's other products out there, there's other
things to do. Oh you don't like Mason Rook as
a world heavyweight champion, Well, and maybe it's just not
for you right now, that's all. And I understand that.
I totally understand him segueing everybody else and saying, hey,
if you don't like the Sammy's aim, that's fine, turn
the channel, stop watching, stop watching until I'm done as champion,
and then you can come back and watch who beat.
Speaker 2: Me or And this is what's funny to me, is
sometimes somebody tries to be so humble that they just
create a confusing mess, do you know what I mean?
Like he went through that whole thing, Like I said,
this is who I'm trying to, like explain existing to
an eight year old, where it's like, hey, you know,
we can't be so rigid because you might think think, hey,
there's only one way for me to cut a peanut
butter and jelly sandwich, but some people might want to
cut it another way, Like he has to try to
explain it like a child to people, and he's unintentionally
probably sounding a little bit like, you know, I wish.
Speaker 3: You washing myopic, if anything, real small minded, Like wait
a minute, yes, I think everybody understands that they're allowed
to like and dislike who they want. And in the
world of no baby faces and heels that WWE has
presented us as years. Uh yeah, no, that's fine. People
can like you and hate you at the exact same time.
It happens. It happens quite a bit more frequently. But
I think the idea that you're upset by this to
the point where you're not leaning into it and you're
issuing a statement says a lot more about Sammy's am
than anything else. I'm sorry it does.
Speaker 2: I feel bad that he has to He's tagging on
six fucking qualifiers to this. I mean, I think that
he would probably have been perfectly fine. And this is
way she were there, like, hey, there's backlash from people
that you won the title or whatever it be. He
could just say there's backlash for when whoever wins the
champion wins the championship. I've been wrestling for twenty years.
I'm good at what I do, and I won the
fucking title.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but I'm saying, what about even simpler than that.
There's backlash because there's Cody fans that like Cody good Man,
like Jesus christ Man. It's not he took it off
of it. Oh yeah, I'm sure there is. You don't
think there's Cody fans up there.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it's Cody people or AI it's Cody bots.
You know. Yeah, it's a Cody butt. But I like
cigars and vodka. I do.
Speaker 3: It needs to odd shit programming, air programming, air fucking.
Speaker 2: My wife is very cool. Uh I think that's a
Cody robot. I could be wrong. Uh hmm, yeah no
like this. To me, the funniest thing remains with Sammy's
Ain is that the guy is incredibly fucking good.
Speaker 3: Of course, I don't think anybody an ass like it.
Speaker 2: Just it makes me laugh because the same people that
would be like, well, I'd be like, this is a
company that put the belt on Jack swagger and gender mahal,
let's stop. Can we stop? Sammy Zain is whether you
want to admit it or not, or whether people want
to realize this or not, he's better than probably the
last five champions that they've had, I mean truly with
the accept like and I'm taking both belts, I guess
into equation or at least, you know what else, let
me restate that he's better than probably at least five
of the last ten champions Sash because like this idea,
like he's fucking shocked. But that's that's what I'm saying,
is like that it's weird that he's addressing it in
a serious fashion. That's what doesn't make sense. Sammy is
smart enough to realize that the people that hate you
are going to still pay to see you get your
ass kicked right like you are in the limelight.
Speaker 3: And I think it was dirty Bird earlier that that
said it. You know, if it was two years ago,
people to win fucking ape shit for Sammy having the title.
And I agree, I think it's a lot more of
a confusing mess now. But that's not Sammy's fault. That's
the way that the company has been structured as of late.
And yeah, I think that a majority of people that
really dislike Sammy probably don't dislike Sammy. They just like
Cody Moore, that's all.
Speaker 2: And that's fine. And that's like I think that's like
his long winded way of getting to that you don't
like me. But if it.
Speaker 3: Was Gun, let me ask you this. If it was
Gun through that he took the title from, do you
think you would have gotten this kind of backlash?
Speaker 2: Mm? Probably, I mean probably still because not not to
this level. But there's there's something that makes me laugh.
It's like the fucking dip fucking dipshit Vince Russo he
was like, this is worst thing when I put your
belt on our Cat's No, actually it's not.
Speaker 3: Like, first of all, he's been a wrestler for like
thirty years. David Arquette got bored one day and wandered
into WCW. Dude, like what right, well, come on, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, it's like one of those people fucking posting their
own owns or whatever where it's just like there's just shit,
like you just shit on yourself.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But also, and I don't think that this is like
far fetched either to make this connection. It was much
much worse when it was David Harquette because the actual
fucking show was predict hated on drawing money and selling
tickets and shit, and now it's really not it's about
selling ads and fucking ESPN contracts and all tho shit.
So yes, it was stupider. And also it was worse
because thirty years ago, the people that were winning championships,
they didn't look like Sammy's Ain and they sure as
fuck didn't look like David Arquette now over the past
twenty five thirty years. And yes, somebody said, well, you're
just shitting on Mason Rook and I'm like, yeah, they're
still a huge ass fucking difference between looking like Mason
Rook and looking like Samy's.
Speaker 3: Ain selling put a fucking belt on Mason Rook.
Speaker 2: Hi, No, no, of course not, because he looks like
fried shit and he's not that good of a worker,
and he has not spent twenty years building a report
a relationship with wrestling fans in the audience. He wasn't
involved in one of the biggest storylines in wrestling in
the past decade and was one of the most important
fucking people on the show for years. Like this is
this is the fantasy, the cuckoo fucking bullshit that people
make up like they picked his name out of a hat,
like a gender Mahal, or like a Jackswagger, or like
fuck it a great Kyllie. Yeah, great Kylie was the Jacks.
Speaker 3: The Jack Swagger stuff was them trying to strike the
iron while it was hot. Let's be honest. Ginger Mahaal,
no fucking clue. I'm sure there's because.
Speaker 2: They wanted to go to India and then they went
to India on triple h beat him in India.
Speaker 3: Because I mean, there are some decisions w W hasn't
made over there is. It's very head scratch worthy. But
you know, I really think that a majority of the
Sammy backlash is just Cody shit.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 3: It should be it should be like you should Cody
should have ryder die fans that just don't go, oh shucks, Cody,
you'll get it again soon. They should be like, now,
fuck this guy, what's what this goddamn afro ginger motherfucker
from Canada? You know, like that should be the attitude
of Cody fans. They should be right or die. But
it's weird when you have to make a public, like
a public apology for winning the title. I guess that's
what pissed me off about the Samy thing. Right. It's
not because we don't like Sammy. I like Sammy I
like Sammy for years. I love him. He wore a mask,
you know, Like it's just the problem is is now
he's doing the public apology tour and it's like what for, Like,
you guys are so far past clearcut baby faces and
clearcut heels that does it even fucking matter anymore?
Speaker 2: No? No, the company doesn't even give a ship. Why
are you pretending? You know what I mean? Like, why
even put yourself through that misery? But also when this,
this did make me laugh too. I saw some of
these fucking comments where they were like they gave him
the bell because he's Muslim, and I hope they did.
Speaker 3: No, No, he did, they did. But somebody in WWE
realized that, hey, look, we've never had a Muslim champion before.
Why why not? Look, I'm not trying to be a dick,
but I mean, if they're trying to reach every single
person on the planet, and if if w w E
is all about, well Mason Rook speaks to the kind
of person I am, then I mean, Muslim isn't exactly
a tiny group. I wouldn't Sammy, Well.
Speaker 2: There's management should be fair. There's only two billion Muslim people, So.
Speaker 3: Does maybe maybe Maurice. I don't know, it's you know what,
it's been so long that I'm sure he doesn't count anymore.
He's he's he's out there with Knocking Binkle, Yes.
Speaker 2: Ye, him and Nick Bockwinkle. Well no like that. That
to me, I fucking laughed at it. You're milks mushroom.
I'm like, God, there's the first thing I said was good? Okay,
Like and he's really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good representation people. Don't you want that?
Wouldn't you rather have somebody that's Muslim and can fucking
wrestle and can talk as opposed to somebody who was
just shoehorned in so you could sell a couple of
T shirts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like gender mal Yeah, I mean seriously, like this
it goes back to that, like there's no there's no way.
And by the way, like I say that, but this
is also going to be the same exact person that
in six months or a year, they're gonna be like, oh,
bone one course's black. You're gonna be like, really was.
Speaker 3: The first black champion ever?
Speaker 2: Right right? That too? Yeah, and he was massively over
and got huge reactions and yeah, which that's like someone's
like well, Sammy's not massively overdy. Who's like you said, yeah,
two fucking years ago. That's on them. That is on them.
They waited a long fucking time to give this guy
the belt, and if they found their opening for a
four to six week period, which let's be realist, probably
what I'm going to bela that in the middle of
the summer to have him win in Saudi Arabia and
become like the first fucking Muslim champion for WWE, what's
the problem? What's the fucking problem. It's not like, what's
his name, the kid who's in the models now, who's funny.
He's a funny guy. But he was a Saudi, he
was from uh Or, he was a Saudi Arabian kid, Mansor.
It's not like they fucking put the belt randomly on
mans I didn't hear go on Sorry yeah yeah no,
but like that's that To me, it was like like
we're just randomly going, sure, yeah, that's that's fucking weird.
Speaker 3: Man, But that's help. But see, that's more quid pro
quo of what WWE does. That's what you would expect,
and there's a reason why people would ship all over that,
because ever everybody knows what that positioning means. Sammy's a
guy who's worked for it, Like it's difficult to argue
that Sammy hasn't worked for his position in WWE, and
the fact that he needs to apologize for it.
Speaker 2: It's just I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's very he should he shouldn't. I know, you
were walking it back in a different way. You're like, hey,
look this is the way, and I understand your point
from it too. It's just it upset me that he
had to apologize publicly for it, Like, it's just does
does endeavor? Does t KO need to come up with
a letter for you to read? Sammy? Is that where
we're at now? I'm very sorry that i'm your champion.
I'll try not to be champion for two long guys.
Don't worry. Someone else that you agree with or or
harmonize with will be champion again soon enough, you know, Like.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, we'll do something creative like put it back
on seth Rowlands or Roman Reigns. Real quick. You're getting trying.
I love I love that. Yes, It's like and then
those would be the same people that would go, oh
nothing happens, Oh nothing different. I feel like I didn't
shoot on him enough of that, But fucking Vince Russo
being like he doesn't look fucking and look good. You
work for the fucking Juggalo Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 3: Now, Oh Russo is just as silly as the rest
of them. Look, I never said you watched j c
W for its deep, meaningful storylines. I said it's Jerry Springer, Okay,
it's silly. Lightning says, He's like, are they are they
mad at Sammy's am for winning the WWE title or
are they mad that Sammy won the title in Saudi Arabia.
I don't think I've heard anybody shitting on Sammy specifically
for doing it in Saudi Arabia. There's a lot of
anti Saudi Arabia tweets and posts, which is yeah, but that,
But whether Sammy was there or not, I think those
posts would still exist.
Speaker 2: Samy.
Speaker 3: Samy is not changing the EBB and flow of WWE
fandom for Saudi Arabia. I just don't know if the
reason that people are upset, and I see what Lightning
is saying, are they mad that he did it in
Saudi Arabia instead of Canada.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this too. Would this even
bother you if Prince Turkey Alababa said to fucking Nick Khan,
I want Sami Zaying to win the belt and they
chose to do it, Because that would that even upset you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean either.
Speaker 3: Again, he's a deserving guy. He's he's well, no, first,
I should say he's the first of something. That's what
I should say. And I know that that sounds but
that's very corporate. That's a very corporate answer. He's the
first of something that can be exploited to make money.
He's a representative of a splinter group of people that
happened to cover two thirds of the planet.
Speaker 2: It's just that just so happens tends to.
Speaker 3: Cover two thirds of the planet. He represents the splintered group.
And yeah, maybe maybe some kind of representation, especially now
that you know we're having shows all over the world regularly,
maybe it's a good idea to put somebody like that.
Oh and he happens to be a good wrestler. Oh
and he can talk. Oh oh that's nice too.
Speaker 2: Well, remember the three things that I mentioned earlier about
what we'll scoot you up in the line as far
as pan jus looking great having a story right like.
Speaker 3: Sammy is. You know what, Sammy's big weakness is his luck.
But right has a story, yes he has.
Speaker 2: He has a great story and he can fucking work well.
Speaker 3: The story works when he's the underdog because he looks
like an emaciated underdog like that works for him. He
looks like if Sam Roberts stepped in the ring. It's
just big head, small body like that's that's sam He's
in and it works, it works for him. It's just
I don't know as far as look goes. Yeah, no,
Sammy would be right there with old uh old Mason
Castle there Mason Rook.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, ten years ago now more it feels like,
which is even crazy when you think about it, the
same conversations were had about Brian Danielson or Daniel Bryant
right most small, he's a dub dumb beard and blah blah.
Speaker 3: Is weird as Sammy's though.
Speaker 2: No, no, he wasn't like, he wasn't like skinny and long,
which to me is still kind of fucking funny because
the same people once again, that would be like, well,
Mason Rook looks like shit, but he's actually tough. It's like, Okay,
well you're using like the UFC guye logic, right right,
Well that's what sam he's like. You could say the
same thing about him for whatever it's.
Speaker 3: Worth, stretch ability there. Yeah, yeah, well no, That's what
I'm saying is it's it's too you're stretching it too
far with Sammy in a lot of ways. But that's
not why I would say that he deserves to be champion.
He deserves to be champion. On those other merits you
brought up the fact that he can talk, the fact
that he's got a great story, the fact that he
can wrestle, he knows how to work in the ring,
Like those are all so fucking over one hundred percent, Joe,
that the fact that he looks like a human foot,
he looks like a fucking a fired seven to eleven employee,
doesn't doesn't hurt him at all, do you know what
I mean? Like, so, when you're trying to make the
UFC point, I know you're not saying that. You're saying
that there's other people that are making that point against Sammy.
I don't think that fucking matters. I'd say there's nobody
on his level and anything else, now what you know
what I mean? Like, do you so so your girl
doesn't have tits? She's got like a negative A cup,
negative B cup. But you know everything else. She's the
life of the party, your family loves her. She likes
all the same things you do. She can beat your
ass and call of duty, Like the fuck, dude, what
else do you need? Oh, she's at all. She likes
sex like it's perfect. Like, at what point do you
just turn around and go you're just being a curmudgeon,
You're being a stingy little pitch.
Speaker 2: Ninety eight percent is good enough, right, it's good enough?
Like I think that's okay. It's like still with Sammy,
Like it just makes me fucking laugh because this none
of this is new to us at this point. And
he has for sure earn this fucking spot. And for
anybody that would say, well, he was good in wrestling,
you say, it's not a meritocracy, and you know you
got to earn and to earn and the blah blah
blah blah blah. I'm like, but he's earned it in
all the different ways that you have to make a
decision to whether he should get the spot or not.
You know what I mean, Like, it's like if fifteen
fucking people apply for a job and they all have
the same degree and the same level of experience, At
some point you got to start looking deeper and start
talking about intangibles and start looking at all those small
little fragments in those little parts that make them more
right for the position or more right for the job.
Or we talking about something like the WWE Championship in
the middle of the fucking summer. This is temp work.
You're picking a nice temp, that's what you're doing. He's
he's not holding the belt for four years. He's not
going on Good Morning America.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he's gonna have it by
Royal Rumble.
Speaker 2: He might Royal Rumble. You mean by Summer Slam. You
might not even have it by SummerSlam.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think they'll keep it just
because of the Sparks debate. I think he's keeping it
past Summer Slam, even if even if they just want
to maximize the amount of people that hate Sammy's aim,
Do you know what I mean? Like, it's just going
to roll with it because there's two bolls. There's just
too much money on the table to get his ass.
If even if you lean into the fact of all
the let's just say, seventy percent of people right now
that are WWE fans hate Sammy's A, just hate them,
don't even know why, they just hate him. There's too
much money to blow that off in three more weeks.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think it's happened so far, maybe
because once again, don't watch mac now, don't know, but
how good would that eventual not face off of? But
whatever interaction with Sammy and Roman? Me I mean to me,
that just seems like for all to talk about this
one and that one. It's like even just the idea
of it being like sessin fucking a Roman six hundred
and fiftieth fucking match, geez, how.
Speaker 3: Do you crush me, Joe? That would actually crush me.
So Roman reigns versus Sammy's A, and belt versus Belt,
and Roman beats Sammy again and takes both belts. You
give WWE what they want by getting Roman both the titles.
You remove the title off of Sammy's ain, giving that
type of fan what they want. Ah, and then you
you just pretty much cripple Sammy's ain from hair on out,
like to lose to the bloodline twice like that.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's the idea of having him lose to him,
which is more than likely what would happen obviously, Uh,
but also just the the interaction of him going to
face once again, no heals, no faces, None of it
fucking makes sense anymore. But just the idea of even
Roman Reigns, who as a character is so fucking dull
outside of the people that he's had all these relationships
with who are more interesting than him II Sammy. Like
him having a face to face with Sammy in any capacity,
and Roman choosing to be fucking happy for him.
Speaker 3: Let me let me read this off would be huge.
So this is exactly what Vince Russo said, and this
is the reason that I'm interjecting this. Before we were
ready to go, he said, you know, I can't keep
a straight face if I read one more tweet online,
especially from somebody in the business. Oh, thirteen years in
the business. Nobody deserved it more. What bro When I
came on this show and tell you the marks are
in the ring, Look how the wrestlers react. Look at
what they say, Oh, this guy's been in the industry
for thirteen years. He deserves it. I don't know where
he's getting his number from. Thirteen thirteen, my ass, I
was watching this guy's in the double OTTs. He was
around in like two thousand and two, two thousand and
three in Canada, and shit, Bro Samy's a and didn't
win anything because he'd been around thirteen years. You know
how many guys have been in the business thirteen years,
seventeen years, twenty years, twenty five years, mister perfect and
Scott Hall died without ever winning a WWE world title. Well,
I swear to god, Bro, when wrestlers sound like Marx,
it's fricking embarrassing to me. Embarrassing to me. Sammy earned
what what did he earn? He worked harder than all
the other wrestlers you see out there working. Really, this
to me is an absolute joke. It's not about business anymore, coach,
because here comes what the business is about. Getting as
many eyeballs on your product or on your partners that
are paying you. That's what the business is all about,
which I agree with him on that. He's right. That's
what the bottom line for the company is now and
kind of what it's always been, But at at least
to me, you're going to tell me that when Triple
H makes a decision like that and every other ask
clown in the room, you're going to sit there and
tell me that they've convinced themselves that this is the
best for business and this is going to bring more
viewers to the show. Is it that? Or are we
going to give Sammy a big golden star at his
forehead because of how hard he's been working for the
last thirteen years. It's a joke, bro, Remember when Little
League turned into every day getting everybody getting a participation
of participation trophy. That's what this is. That's exactly what
this is. It's a joke.
Speaker 2: And look, and.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I gotta go back. He's a representative of Muslims.
That is the biggest fucking If you're looking at this,
Vince from a financial standpoint, how can you ignore that arguably,
arguably the last Muslim champion was Iron Chic, you know
what I mean, years ago? Right? So yeah, maybe maybe
on the principles that you disagree that Sammy doesn't deserve it.
Maybe you don't think he's a good promo, Maybe you
think he wrestles like dog shit in the ring whatever
it may be, sure, but if you're standing on the
principle that all this is is business, all this is
is about getting more people to pay attention. How could
two thirds of the planet not want to pay attention?
Speaker 2: Right, how about the fact that you uh oh, the
money bro or whatever the fuck WWE, if they don't
already have it, they could put out championships with the
fucking with for Sammy with the font in Farsi or
in Arabic and sell that to people and like just
the idea of it being like, well, I'll be cool.
It's all about the bucks, blah blah blah. He knows,
he knows as well as anybody. Like I said earlier,
it's about the fucking the goddamn TV show. At this point,
if Meltzer was right about anything in the past fifteen
fucking years, which he then translated that into just rooting
for the same dog shit wrestling, it's that it's not
It's not measured by the same metrics anymore. They could
make a fucking ham Sandwich to champion and once again
the w w WE Disney adults would show up. It's
not the same, and is it disappointing to you and
I and probably to most people that have been watching
it for a long time that the titles are kind
of just like, eah, yeah, it's not great. It's not great,
but at some point, like the milk is spilled. I
can't keep how many years are we going to cry
about the milk being spilled? It's it's done, it's been changed.
Cody is the closest thing that WWE has had to
a champion and quite some time where there was like
an actual feel of it where it's like he won
the belt and it meant something to him, and it
meant something to his family, and it was wrapped up
in his legacy and this, that and the other thing.
No one can convince me that the Roman reign sees
this is anything other than a fucking joke.
Speaker 3: You have already forgot about poor old Gunther.
Speaker 2: Well but gun but even though it goes back even
with Gunter, Yeah, but was Gunther's whole thing? Like I
was from a poor family in Austria and I had
to fight truth and now to Bubble, no, he's just
a little.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was a little bit of it. There
was a little bit of I've worked hard to be here. Guy.
There absolutely was. I mean, yeah, he wasn't throwing it
in her face every week. That wasn't his main bread
and butter.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, there there was. If I recall, there
was a.
Speaker 3: Little you know, I'm no chump. I deserve this shit,
this is mine, you know.
Speaker 2: Well it's a heel.
Speaker 3: I mean he's doing right, but there's always a little
what is it the kernel of truth?
Speaker 2: You know? Right? Well, no, nobody, well, nobody's being yeah,
honest and objective with themselves. Nobody's looking at Guntre and
being like this guy fucking he just he was all
kicking ice cream for him and he was so fucking
spoiled and everything was easy for him, Like nobody, what
do you.
Speaker 3: Think he is a rain?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, right, And by the way, I didn't pick
cake and ice cream because he wasn't ninety pounds overweight
at one point, and I just just cake and ice
cream is a nice way of saying thing. It's more
fucking sweet for the guy, you know. And so yeah, yeah,
he worked hard, and they all they work hard. They
all work hard, bro, they do they all work hard?
Vince You sure about that? I mean, really, like when
we get into it. It's like there's a different level.
There's different levels to this ship, and people know it.
And that's also why you got to feed the story
of Roman reigns to people. And this is why you
also see the fucking people and the bits, Oh he's
he's fucking well, there's so tough. There's so tough the
Roman rains. So he's just always he does everything right
and he's so fucking this that, and you know, because
people know deep down he was gifted this job. They
know that it was pure fucking nepotism back before Seampunk had,
you know, had his middle aged nice guy turn. There's
a reason why he did that guy damn interview on
Cole Cabana and basically made it clear as could be
the fans that he was a nappo baby chosen by
the comp but that wasn't particularly fucking good, and everybody
agreed on that until the audience got boiled down to
a nice roue of the current crowd of people that
will once again go and clap for a fucking ham sandwich.
If you drape the belt over it, that's what's left.
So to go, Well, ye have the belt, Sammy Zanes,
Let's not play this fucking game, the selective fucking it's
serious when it's serious, and it's bullshit when it's bullshit game.
The show's a fucking joke. It's bad, The writing is bad,
the wrestling is me mix, you know, sometimes good, sometimes
not the best whatever. But when you approach it from well,
now here's the business side of it, Well, the business
side of it is, like you said, there's two billion
people who are Islamic on this fucking planet. Sammy's ain
has a story, he has a fucking actual relationship with
the audience. There's way more for them to go with
him there than ninety eight percent of the other fucking
people on the roster. And if you'd like to tell
me that that's not true, then I'd like you to
think of more than five other guys that you would
give the title that haven't had it in that company
right now and say their names with a fucking straight face,
because I assure you it would get to what la
knight uh line? That's about it? Yeah? I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 2: Well who else? Who else? Seriously, Like I'm not being
a dick, I'm just saying, like, who else could you
think of that has not won? The championship that if
they want it in the next six months, it'd be like,
that's fucking what a great story, and there's so much click.
Speaker 3: And it would fall right into the WWE wheelhouse of
how they like to do things. Jimmy really hasn't gotten
a turn, has he.
Speaker 2: Now? That would be something people should piss him one
about if Jimmy got it.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it's more bloodline shit. But you could actually
write a story that would be interesting with Jimmy where
he's just sick of all of Roman's bullshit.
Speaker 2: Because he went it off his brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just he just seals his stupid.
Speaker 2: Shitty brother wins. He's a stupid brother.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It's like, you could do that,
which would be an interesting bloodline storyline, but they'd never
do anything like that. Jimmy is just happy eating whatever
bird crumbs, whatever bread crumbs are just throwing his way. Look,
he gets to be on TV every once in a while.
That's nice, jim Good for you, buddy.
Speaker 2: He's making he's making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
She doesn't have to take his shirt off.
Speaker 3: He's got a hot He's got a hot wife and
a kid.
Speaker 2: He's fine, He's yeah, we're not feeling bad for these people.
But like I said, Dad's to me one of the
funniest things. Just like, okay, well then we hit a
wall when someone goes woo this instead, okay.
Speaker 3: Name him Breaker? Oh sorry, do you want.
Speaker 2: They put the belt around his waist and dislocate his
fucking hip. Fucking fragile bron Breaker had to immediately relinquish
the title. He draped it over his shoulder and gave himself.
Speaker 3: At joking, but I love the idea of Our Truth
having the title. It's just you know what they would do.
They'd fire him with the title and they realized he
still had the fucking title.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen. This is not a slight from either of us.
I'm sure at Our Truth in any capacity. But boy
that that ship has sailed and the company has made
it clear on how they feel about him. In fact,
they put it on a fucking Netflix show. So as
nice as it would have been a decade ago even
for him to have gotten readd seriously and be given
a real run.
Speaker 3: Unkind, I think it was unkind.
Speaker 2: What was it called triple H? Autistically stemming and in
the U in the form of a television show that
other What.
Speaker 3: Other champions could I possibly think of?
Speaker 2: Yah?
Speaker 3: Actually, five years, I do have one. Penta could before
five years. Penta absolutely could. But that wasn't the direction
I was going to go. I was gonna say, as
far as the young crop, if Bronson Reid comes back
looking like a looking like a Thanksgiving you know, dinner.
Speaker 2: Like, he'd still need more time to build up like
a real story depending on who he went after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could hot shot a guy like Bronson Reid
and then sell that come.
Speaker 2: On, connect He needs the connection. He needs to build
a better connection with the with the audiences. And he's
not He could be an icy guy for sure, like
I I. Like I've said about him before, He's a
big boss man.
Speaker 3: Logan Paul's a good one, Anna, But Logan Paul, is
he going to be around or is he going to
be gone every fucking three months? Because that's the last
thing anybody wants.
Speaker 2: Right, is he gonna Is he gonna be arrested for cryptos?
Speaker 1: Going?
Speaker 3: Right? If Logan Paul was guaranteed to be here for
a year, I yes, one thousand, yes.
Speaker 2: Maybe when this current listen, If you're gonna put the
belt on him. You gotta do. The current administration's in office,
because whoever might take over prosecuted these fucking scammers, and
so that might.
Speaker 3: Actually and also says so is Brock. Yeah, but Brock
was already proven. See that's the difference is we don't
know what would happen with Logan Paul in that kind
of limelight. I mean, you expect him to fucking roll
with it like a million bucks, but you don't know Brock.
Brock had already been sonning for a while. He'd already
been through the mm A game before he started doing
the I'll show up to WWE when I want to
kind of shit.
Speaker 2: You know, right, he'd had many many level once again
to his story, and even people I like him put
over all the time, like Montese, it's like he still would.
Speaker 1: Need I.
Speaker 3: Don't think dom'll do it. I see Oki, Saint dom dude,
I love Domino was pushing that idea before dan Housen.
Now they just want Dominic to be dan Housen's foil.
That's what they want. Dominic is now going to be shoehorned.
And don't get me wrong, they're probably both going to
make a lot of money slapping each other around. But
but Dominic is doomed to work Dan Housen and, according
to Eric Bischoff, for the next ten years.
Speaker 2: So they cooled him down big time. They cooled dom
down big But this Dom's a young guy, so he's
got potential to fucking get you know, get another chance,
get heated up again. But I mean, like I said,
even in the immediate right now, who else is ready
right now? And Sammy was ready two years ago.
Speaker 3: So h well, that's how long I takes for them
to check their emails, you know. It's just they're two
years behind guys. An Now, l A Knight's gonna get
a shot, a real one, you know.
Speaker 2: Like I'm telling you, I have this. I have this.
Really it sounds so fucking dark to think of it
this way, but I have this feeling that La Knight's
finally gonna win it, and then something's physically gonna fucking
go wrong with him.
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus, don't put that out.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but I just like this. There's
just some part of me, this that that that evil
in me, the Irish and me, you know what I mean,
It's just that that part of me where it's like,
I bet that comfort will win. And then something bottle
happened to him, something.
Speaker 3: That you want to know what I would really like
to happen in a perfect world. Kevin Owens has already
healed up. He's been swerving us. He's doing okay, he's
been he's been real light on the actual information as
far as his back and neck and everything else goes.
And he comes back on a return and he fucking
wins it in won.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, he kills he kills Sammy, kill Sammy. Yeah,
it would just make it would just be and it
would make sense.
Speaker 3: You're right, it won't.
Speaker 2: Make so much sense. They would be so and and
that's it. It's like, dude, right there, when people go,
well why would you why would you use him? Both
me and you were like, there's two huge fucking stories
you could tell him with him and Owens, assuming that
he was actually healthy enough to do it. Him and
Roman huge fucking sit.
Speaker 3: They have a back background to him.
Speaker 2: And god, god forbid, I don't even want it to
happen because he sucks. But like even him and j
I'm like, oh god, no, no, come on, that's still
not seth Rollins has no stories with anybody other than
Roman Reigns truly, and you.
Speaker 3: Know his story with Triple H is a love story
going back many many years.
Speaker 2: Well, he has to have a story with him since
he lived directly in his colon, so you know, show
Jesus Christ, all.
Speaker 3: Right, let's get on here. We got a fucking show tomorrow.
Much love to everybody listening to the show live. Much
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