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<v Speaker 1>Thirty here I fifty five KERSD talk station normally doing

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<v Speaker 1>a Daniel Davis deep dive. We thought that was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>happen today. Hey know, they had some vacation and if

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<v Speaker 1>people didn't let us know about that. But we do

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<v Speaker 1>have a wonderful substitute today. Haven't talked to Jason Williams

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<v Speaker 1>from the Cincinni Inquirer and quite some time. We used

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<v Speaker 1>to have regular college conversations back when it did his

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<v Speaker 1>politics extra column. But he does a wonderful job as

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<v Speaker 1>a sports writer for the Cincinni Inquirer. Jason, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm laughing about your column, man. I I was just

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<v Speaker 1>telling my listeners I ran in a Moeggar yesterday. We

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<v Speaker 1>were both at a golf outing. It's a charity golf outing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was talking to mo about the new locker

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<v Speaker 1>room at Pey Course Stadium. I said it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a discothech and he started laughing and he said, you

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<v Speaker 1>know the thing about it, he is the players didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even really seem to care, and they put all this

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<v Speaker 1>money into new locker room. And the players that were

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed were like, yeah, okay, like whatever, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>got a place to hang nice stuff and take a shower.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I need. I mean, they could use a

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<v Speaker 1>high school locker room and it had the same overall

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<v Speaker 1>value as the discotheque that they have now. Anyway, should

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<v Speaker 1>the sub should Cincinnati Bengals follow Brown's lead, look at

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<v Speaker 1>stadium in suburbs, Let's ditch pay Course Stadium and run away. Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to laugh about it, but we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a two billion dollar price tag, which also is in

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<v Speaker 1>and of itself comical.

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<v Speaker 2>Well very much so, you know. I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the trend though in the NFL right now are

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<v Speaker 2>people looking at building new stadiums. Obviously in Cleveland, they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to build a new stadium. In Nashville, in

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<v Speaker 2>their stadium there's only a year older than pay Corpse Stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>They're building a new stadium in Buffalo. They in fairness,

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<v Speaker 2>they need one. I mean, that's a fifty over a

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<v Speaker 2>fifty year old stadium or over fifty years old. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of the thing right now. For all these

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<v Speaker 2>stadiums that came in in the late nineties early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at uh nearly a billion dollar price tag

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<v Speaker 2>for overhauling them or do you look at building a

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<v Speaker 2>new stadium. So I literally I just saw some buzz

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I heard a little bit about it again,

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<v Speaker 2>just people talking about it. I was just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I mean, could this even ever happen and

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<v Speaker 2>just raise the question about it? Really? Really? Uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it would It would be pretty crazy to think

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<v Speaker 2>all the money it's been put in the pay Corse

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<v Speaker 2>Stadium and but this is just it's not a far

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<v Speaker 2>such thing to think about. Again because of what I

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<v Speaker 2>just said. But at the end of the day, I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't see it happening because you know, really, the

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<v Speaker 2>Brown family, uh there, they're gonna be really they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be asked to put up a lot of money for this,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna be asked to put up a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money for the overhaul pay Corpse Stadium. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't. I think I think that's where the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>would start and stop right there is I just don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't see them willing to put in kind of

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<v Speaker 2>money that's going to take to build a new stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me ask you this, just being practical as

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<v Speaker 1>I am here, why do we feel the need generally

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<v Speaker 1>the so called the owners of the teams or or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever whot is demanding all of these so called upgrades

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<v Speaker 1>that are so damned costly a billion dollars. I understand

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of what you own. It's something I really

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<v Speaker 1>implore the City of Cincinnati elected officials to do with

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<v Speaker 1>regard to our roads before they go building more stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and things. But a road works if you keep it maintained.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't need to be changed or altered. It provides

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<v Speaker 1>the core function, which is to serve for my car

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<v Speaker 1>to drive down. The pay Corpse stadium works. You can

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<v Speaker 1>play football there, you can buy stuff there outrageously priced, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve dollars for a beer and seven dollars for a

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<v Speaker 1>cheese cony. But it works. What's so wrong with it

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<v Speaker 1>that it needs all kinds of huge upgrades maintenance improvements?

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<v Speaker 1>Are people no longer going to attend a football game

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<v Speaker 1>because we don't have a bigger jumbo tron or a

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<v Speaker 1>better locker room? This all seems so superficial and shallow

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<v Speaker 1>air frankly pointless.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at the end of the day, it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm oh, yeah, I agree. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>this is just like it's just the price. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>what it's what the NFL wants, it's what the demands

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<v Speaker 2>across the NFL. So any of these I mean at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, like if the lease is

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<v Speaker 2>coming up in twenty six, so the Bengals have the

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<v Speaker 2>leverage here to say, Okay, well this is what's happened

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<v Speaker 2>across the NFL, and all these stadiums that were built

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<v Speaker 2>in a similar time, well, their leases are coming up too,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what all their peers are asking for.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, in new stadium stadium upgrades. But a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this is a lot of this is

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<v Speaker 2>window dressing. I guess it's not. It's not hardcore, Like yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there are I guess. I guess again, Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for a thirty year old what is it twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>it was build in two thousand, so twenty four year

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<v Speaker 2>old building, Like you know, are there some things that

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<v Speaker 2>need to be upgraded? Like yeah, but is it anything

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<v Speaker 2>massively wrong with the building that it requires like up

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<v Speaker 2>toward a billion dollars worth of uh, you know, overhaul

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<v Speaker 2>and bell A lot a lot of that stuff would

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<v Speaker 2>be bells and whistles types of things like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they just pump up thirty nine million dollars into I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just new They put new new seats in

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<v Speaker 2>the club level, and then they're redoing, like they expanded

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<v Speaker 2>the bridge outside the stadium. I mean a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff. Did you really have to have the bridge expanded?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you really really have to? I mean, I mean really,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's gonna alleviate some pedestrian traffic, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eight days a year, but uh, did you you know

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<v Speaker 2>you mean no? Right? I mean right, I mean you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what is there like eight eight, nine, ten games in

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of concerts, I mean, you know, a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>dozen days a year? Sorry for my math there, Yeah, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's really what this. I mean, how many years

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<v Speaker 2>did Riverfront Stadium go? And like did they rip out

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<v Speaker 2>all the infrastructure inside and redo all of it over

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<v Speaker 2>the years? I don't, I don't remember, but yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, like this is this whole wave of Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well you got all your new stadiums twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and now here comes the wave again of like,

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<v Speaker 2>well it's either a new stadium or it's a really

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<v Speaker 2>really overhauled stadium and construction costs. That costs even more

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<v Speaker 2>to build the original thing. It's just really crazy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just going on here. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little more of a touchy issue here because of how

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<v Speaker 2>much money the pack taxpayers have paid versus some other

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<v Speaker 2>places the taxpayers didn't have to bear it as big

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<v Speaker 2>of a burden, and some other NFL cities so hearly

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<v Speaker 2>certainly have.

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Williams was one of the great points you made

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<v Speaker 1>in the article. The Brown family, apparently this is their

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<v Speaker 1>sole source of revenue. They're not multi multi billionaires like

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<v Speaker 1>so many the other NFL team owners. Those guys or

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<v Speaker 1>ladies as the case may be, or corporations or groups

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<v Speaker 1>of individuals can afford to put their own money where

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<v Speaker 1>their mouth is and pay for it themselves since they're

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that reap the financial benefit of the ball

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<v Speaker 1>the game's being played there. Fine, that's private industry and market.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way it's supposed to be. The idea that

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<v Speaker 1>a private entity, a sports team is calling on the public,

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<v Speaker 1>the taxpayer, to shoulder the burden of all these crazy upgrades,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you and I agree, most of which

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<v Speaker 1>are completely unnecessary. Bells and whistles just to keep up

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<v Speaker 1>with the other guy. Kind of like a small Genitalia

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<v Speaker 1>thing going on here, Jason. But that is what is

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<v Speaker 1>bothersome and troubling to me. And I think to most people,

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<v Speaker 1>they're still going to go to the football games if

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<v Speaker 1>they love the Bengals health. I think they go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Gardens if it still existed, if the football

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<v Speaker 1>if Bengals are going to play there, that's fan loyalty

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<v Speaker 1>to play.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the Bengals are going to win, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>about winning. Bryant, Well, how about games winning? No one cares,

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<v Speaker 2>No one cares really where they're playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're paying Joe Burrow a lot of money. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they should put their resources into paying more, bigger salaries

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<v Speaker 1>and recruiting better talent. I don't know, Jason, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>disagree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's a better expenditure of money. Oh my, it's anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want.

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<v Speaker 2>To add, like I do I you know, really, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been around the NFL and I've seen some of these places.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to Buffalo, I've been to Kansas City, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you could go back twenty five years old,

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<v Speaker 2>longer than that in the mid nineties, and if there

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<v Speaker 2>would have been more of a vision cast, like the

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<v Speaker 2>stadium probably would have been better off, you know, building

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<v Speaker 2>in the suburbs somewhere, And of course that would of

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<v Speaker 2>there would have been a whole other wave of people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, complaining and oh, we're losing the Bengals to

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<v Speaker 2>Warren County. And you know, I know it's there's always

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<v Speaker 2>going to be adversity or a fight on any side

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<v Speaker 2>of this that you would go. But I think for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, for some reason, the Bengals said we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to move to Warren County by the Tennis Center, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just choosing that. I don't know if that's enough plot

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<v Speaker 2>of land, but I honestly don't think. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>would be some Hamilton County politicians or political insider type,

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<v Speaker 2>so it'd be like, oh, no, we can't let this happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think for the most part, certainly Hamilton County

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayers and fans, I don't think with care. Then of

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<v Speaker 2>course you got Warren County taxpayers might be pretty upset,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least I think it would be a zero

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be a zero sum game and it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>this big. I don't think it would be this enormous,

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<v Speaker 2>like oh my gosh, we're losing the Bengals or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I and I agree with you on that. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>if they could building in northern Kentucky, the Greater Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>Airport is in Kentucky. Parenthetically, it doesn't get people from

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<v Speaker 1>going there or laying claim to it. The Cincinnati Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>could be in any part of the general tri state

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<v Speaker 1>area and they'd still be the Cincinnati Bengals and people

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't feel like they got stabbed in the back because

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<v Speaker 1>of a threat to take the ball and run away

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<v Speaker 1>to some other with it like some of the other

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<v Speaker 1>teams have done. That does not show any respect for

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<v Speaker 1>the fan. It is a complete nuking of the goodwill

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<v Speaker 1>that they might otherwise have, as is demanding the taxpayers

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<v Speaker 1>pay for all these bells and whistles and upgrades that

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<v Speaker 1>really aren't necessary to play the game. Jason Williams Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>dot COM's where you find Jason. He's a wonderful sports ride.

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<v Speaker 1>You should follow what he writes on in the enquiry.

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<v Speaker 1>Do that at Cincinnati dot Com. Jason, you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>always welcome on the program. I enjoy our conversations. I

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<v Speaker 1>just appreciate the lighthearted nature of this one. And in

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<v Speaker 1>spite of the practical financial reality that's going on here,

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<v Speaker 1>take care of my friend. We'll talk again soon. Ho

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<v Speaker 1>Brother eight forty one fifty five Krsey the Talk Station

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<v Speaker 1>five one, three, seven, four nine fifty five hundred, eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eight to two three talk go with Pound

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<v Speaker 1>five fifty on eight and Chi Funds. Maybe feel differently

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but I'm clearly where I am on that subject,

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<v Speaker 1>and I recommend strongly.

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<v Speaker 2>Zimmer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Zimmer Heating and air Conditioning. They've been around for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, more than seventy five years and three

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<v Speaker 1>generations of family ownership and operation. You know, they have

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship with their long standing customers and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great one. They keep the houses comfortable, they keep them

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<v Speaker 1>safe and efficient. Turn to Zimmer to trusted third generation

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<v Speaker 1>experts and the leader in twenty four hours, seven day

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<v Speaker 1>a week emergency HVAC service, because you know it never

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<v Speaker 1>goes out at a good time in summertime. Obviously, if

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<v Speaker 1>you lose your air conditioner, even if it's during regular

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<v Speaker 1>business hours, it sucks. So get in touch with Zimmer

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<v Speaker 1>and talk to them about the cool Carrier Comfort rebate

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<v Speaker 1>going on right now, where you can save up the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one hundred dollars on a new carrier air conditioning

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<v Speaker 1>unit carrier invented air conditioning so wonderful unit.

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<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 1>Zimmer obviously an authorized service and sales reps four carrier

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<v Speaker 1>units and you're going to be very happy saving twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars. Trust the folks at Zimmer. You can

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<v Speaker 1>easily schedule appointment and learn more about who they are

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<v Speaker 1>at the website which is go zimmer dot com. That's

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<v Speaker 1>go Zimmer dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fifty five KARC an iHeartRadio station
