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Speaker 1: All right, off of a weekend that has seen Daniel

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Dubois Hello score a thudding knockout of Anthony Joshua Wow.

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We are ready to recap that. We are ready to

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recap the rest of the read season card. We also

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saw Heimi Mungia back in action with the KO and

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the ESPN Top Rank card. We're ready to recap all

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of it on the Fight Freaks United Recap podcast. I

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am the somewhat capable, somewhat competent, somewhat dehydrated host. Explanation upcoming.

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TJ Reeves. He is our insider Dan Rayfield, who's in

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a fantastic mood. I mean, normally he's in a fantastic mood,

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but I mean he's in a really fantastic mood on

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this Sunday because he had a lot of great boxing

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to go over and talk about. But his New York

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Football Giants have won a game. The New York Yankees

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have won a game. So you're smiling ear to ear.

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My Buccaneers sucked canal water against the Denver Broncos. I

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stood in one hundred and ten degree heat ray Field

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with the heat index not good for that. But anyway,

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here we're posting we're ready to talk to sweet Science.

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How are you? I know how you are because you

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were just sharing it with me. How are you Sunday

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night into Monday?

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Speaker 2: Here? How we feel? I'm good? It was a good Uh.

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It was a long day for the all the all

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the the fights. I mean, first of all the problems

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I suppose. Uh, I gotta be honest, you know. The

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REAT season card was a good card. I enjoyed it.

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But I can't believe him saying this. I could do

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with a little bit of a shorter card. Four quality fights.

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Six was a bit long. It was like eight hours.

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A couple of the fights were pretty bad, but overall

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though good show, amazing spectacle. I even enjoyed the Liam

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Gallagher performance. I liked it better than the eminem performance

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that I was at in Los Angeles on their re

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LA card. A very exciting main event. And uh, you know,

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I'm glad that the two cards were to talk about

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were separated by the day instead of having both on Saturday.

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That was mainly it wasn't like the top Rank and

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ESPN We're trying to not schedule on the same day

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as Joshua. That was more of a factor of the

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heavy college football schedule. That yes, ins so you know

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it's in this last few months of the year. They

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have events on Friday night, but even still good weekend,

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some good fights and as you said, the Giants are off.

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The Schneid Yankees won a game on the same day,

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my man Aaron Judge with number fifty five in terms

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of the home run chase. So it's all good, yeah,

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no doubt.

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All right. I have to say to you that I

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don't come in here all the time as self deprecating

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as I'm about to be, but I'm gonna sit here

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and say I got fooled over the last year or

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so by what Anthony Joshua was doing against Robert Hilenius,

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Sinato Vileen and Francis Nganu. I am someone who doubted

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this guy in the late twenty tens and who continued

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to say on this podcast, long before you and I

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joined forces as like Macho Man and Hulkgan as the

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Mega Powers, but her there brother, before we joined forces,

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I kept saying, he wants no part of Deontay Wilder

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in that right hand. He is going to stay as

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far away as the Atlantic Ocean from it. Because I

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believed that he thought this is a legit chance I

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could get as the Brits say, chinned. Well, now we

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saw him get chinned against Andy Ruiz. That made me

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doubt him even more. But I'm just gonna say to you,

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I had begun to believe in Anthony Joshua here and

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I thought this, I said this to you was gonna

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be easy work. And it was for Daniel Dubois. He

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wiped him out from the first round on. And I

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got to give credit to my man David Payne, who

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was on the podcast feed last week, the boxing writer.

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He said Dubois improved. This is not easy work. He

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was trying to talk me down a little bit, saying

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this is not easy work for Joshua. He was right,

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and Rayfield, what a win? What a win for Dubois.

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All right there, I got that out of the way.

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Your thoughts on the main event as Dubois gets the

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KO that they are going to talk about for a

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long time in England.

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Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things about it. I agree with

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your general assessment about what happened and how you mentioned

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with the duo with the win and what was going on,

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But I disagreed that Joshua wanted no part of Wilder.

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I mean, if you take a look at the resume

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that he compiled over his career, he hasn't really avoided anybody.

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still to this day will tell you, in my opinion,

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he has the best resume of any of the current

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heavyweights in terms of who he's faced, as well as wins.

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same time. I don't think he avoided Wilder, but Cer

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only the right hand. I do problem.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue for fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: I do have no problem. We don't have to argue

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about it. We got other things to do. But anyway,

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as far as the fight goes, look, Dingy Dui had

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shown himself to be, in my opinion, a good heavyweight,

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but not a special heavyweight. He came up with massive, massive,

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massive height. He was reminiscent of a young Tyson, just

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in terms of the explosiveness. I'm not saying he was

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Tyson or anything. Let's not get carried away, but you

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understand my point. He was slightly undersized for the current

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crop with heavyweights, but carried a tremendous right hand, good

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punching power, and you know. And then he had the

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fight against Joe Joyce. I never gave him grief about

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that loss, because he had a broken orbit bone and

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he was done in the tenth round. A lot of

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people called him a quitter. I never said that. Where

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I took issue was in the manner in which he

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got a victory against Kevin Lorena, a cruiserweight and not

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a very good cruise weight in my opinion in terms

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of an elite level. And he got dropped three times

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and should have been stopped in that fight. Came back

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in won, to his credit, but that was partly because

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the referee declined to stop the fight in round one,

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and then he fought like an absolute dog, like a

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mutt with the heart the size of a peapod against

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Alexander Usk and they have rant and raved about the

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bullshit on the low blow. I was really down on him.

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He fought shitty in that fight. He looked terrible in

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that fight. He complained in that fight, and he showed

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no fucking heart whatsoever and quit on his knee from

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a jet. I'm just being real.

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Speaker 1: Listen to my man, Rayphiel bringing the heat. And by

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the way, can I just interject before you continue your

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role that all the revisionism of the last year and

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a half, he got dominated by Usik. It wasn't close. Continue.

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Speaker 2: So so there you go. So and that was, you know,

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in a big time spot. He's fighting for the heavyweight title.

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to Joe Joyce. He got injured, legit serious injury in

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an otherwise competitive fight. Okay, So that's, you know, whatever

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shit happens. And then, like I said, look pretty bad

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in the Lorena fight. And between the Joyce fight and

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Lorena fight, didn't exactly distinguish himself with the opposition. You know,

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the best guy he fought in that in that short

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group of fights was Trevor Bryant in Florida, you know,

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which was easy work. I'm not a surprise how that

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turned out. But anyway, the Yusik fight, you know, that

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was the low of the low. So I have to

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the Yusik fight, I have nothing personal against Inganel Dubai.

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be a hard worker, you know, soft spoken to some degree.

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he was at the low point. I think he realized it.

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I think his team realized it. They they figured they

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got to do something to bring them back. He he,

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what's the old saying, put his nose to the grindstone,

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so to speak. He took a tough fight against the

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undefeated Jerald Miller. Say whatever you want about Jerrel Miller,

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but he's a solid, tough, rugged guy with decent punching

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power and a good chin. And you know he went

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to read. And if I'm not mistaken, TJ, I believe

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that that duba was a slight underdog in that fight,

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he put it on Jerrel Miller handed him his first loss,

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scored a tenth round knock and a very solid, tough fight.

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Good Win showed some heart, regained a lot of the

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the the critics that had said he was a complete quitter,

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and the Usik fight the way he showed toughness against

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jeral Miller and then he caps. You know, he goes

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over the top in the next fight six months later,

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and this was in June in Riad, another read fight

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where he fought Philip Argiviz. Definitely the underdog in that fight.

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and he looked outstanding. You know, Hurgovich was a big favorite,

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and he cut him up and stopped him. And that's

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all she wrote. So he comes back off the lowest

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point of his career with what happened against Usik. He

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puts together two very solid wins by knockout, by the way,

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against you know, two guys that were like, you know,

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Philip Arguvitz definitely was a top like six sevens heavyweight.

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Jeralen Miller, you know, depending on how generous you want

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to be, was probably like tenth, right outside the top ten.

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highly rated, but still we knew he was a pretty

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solid fighter. So to come back and get those two

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wins and showed the tenacity and the toughness, and then

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go into the Joshua fight, you know why, I'm not

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gonna see he and tell you I was picking him,

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but I figured, you know, he's probably better than he

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was against Usick. Maybe not as great as he looked

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in the in the Miller, in the Hurgovic fights, but

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a very legitimate, solid heavyweight. Now, I wasn't totally bamboozled

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like you were in terms of what Joshua had been

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doing over the last few fights since he lost the

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back to back fights to Usick, because the opposition that

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he was facing, you know, was okay, but nothing spectacular.

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You know, I don't hold Jermaine Franklin in high reguard.

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He went, you know, kind of twelve sloppiest rounds with him,

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but that was coming back off the loss. That was

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coming off of a of a of a layoff. Okay,

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So that's that's fine. Hellenius was a dead man, but

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he took the fight in like a day notice practically,

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so you know, he got the great spectacular you know

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ko the year type knockout right. The fight where I

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actually do give him some credit was he took on

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a tough left in Auto Whalen who had given Tyson

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Fury one of his toughest fights, and he beat himillar

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a to post, busted him up and made him you know,

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made his corner stop it in the corner after a

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round number five. So now I felt like, okay, that

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that showed me that he's he's put Usik in that

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ship behind him. Where a lot of people got fooled

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by the smoking mirrors, and I was not one of them.

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Was he went in there and he absolutely fucking pulverized

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Francis and Ganho in the second round, which is what

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Tyson Furry should have done to a UFC fighter. But

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Tyson Ferry is too busy, you know, carrying on and

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partying and not taking the fight seriously and should have

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probably lost to many people and got knocked down. So

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the Francis and Gano win was a lot of smoking mirrors.

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It looked it was a spectacular knackup, but against a

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guy who was a great athlete, and they ate, but.

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Speaker 1: Can I not a larger but can I interject? That's

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what made me believe he's got the swagger back after

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the USIK losses. He walked right at that guy, he

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bombed him, he knocked him out, and I expected you

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were going to see a similar Joshua in this fight.

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But he was tentative from the beginning. He had the

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hands kind of at his chest. I thought that Barry

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Jones and Darren Barker both pointed out right away, Hey,

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he's got the hands too low, he's got the chin

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up high, and boom goes the dynamite late in the

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first round, and now he's in real trouble and.

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Speaker 2: Did not That's where this entire fight we can we

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can talk all about what happened in the last year

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and a half with both Joshua in his you know,

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uh coming back to the top level after the USAK glasses.

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badly the way he did and the manner in which

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he did in terms of his mentality and his physical

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situation in the USAK fight and what he's done since.

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And that's all good and all fine. At the end

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of the day. When the bell rings and one guy

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slams you with the right hand. It changed the whole

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fight in the first you know, what was the first

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minute of the fight probably, and Joshua never got his

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legs back in a meaningful way. He had heart, and

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he's still continued to fire and try, but he looked.

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I mean, I can't say it was over in the

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first round, but my impression was, you know, and it's

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funny because on his own pay per view, you know,

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they put the the real the real time odds on

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the in the corner of the screen. You can see

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them changing where Joshua was, you know minus uh, you know,

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three hundred or whatever it was. And then you know,

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within a couple of rounds, suddenly duas like the guy

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with the minus money and Joshua's plus money, and that

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that's the real.

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Speaker 1: Time they put up there. They put up there at

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one point, like in the fourth round, the Duboi was

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like minus seven fifty at that point, and rightfully so,

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because by the third round he'd already knocked him down

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again and had him in trouble. And uh, it was shocking.

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I'll just say that. It was shocking, and you just.

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Speaker 2: Don't see a lot of scorecards where it's ten eight

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eight and then the guy gets whacked. I mean, Joshua

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was down four times. Even on his worst nights where

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he lost against Usik, he was you did you think

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he was down against Andy Ruiz?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And not like that? Right?

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Speaker 1: Did you think at the end of the second round

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seconds left he pummeled him? Well, first of all, Joshua

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will put both gloves down on the ground, and the

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referee Marcus McDonald didn't jump in and say knocked down.

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Did he let him take three or four more shots?

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So he's down with like a second left in the round,

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and I thought the fight might have been over right there.

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Did you think that in a round two?

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Speaker 2: I thought I thought maybe so. But I mean the

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fact that the route had ended and Joshua was standing up,

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he gave him the count, you know, because you can't

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be saved by the bell, So we had a complete

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the count even though the bell had rang. I figured,

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you know what, they're gonna give him the minute. I mean,

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they're not going to stop it like that with six

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or ninety twenty three or whatever. Turkey yoase, she announced

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the all time record, you know, even two thousand more

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than the capacity they said it for. They weren't about

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to stop that fight in that manner unless he's laying

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out for our ten count. So I didn't. I didn't

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really think the fight was over after two. But what

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I did think was that AJ is in huge trouble

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and Dui, you know, is looking sharp and fast and confident.

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And I'm gonna tell you this, and I don't usually

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make a lot out of this. I'm watching on on

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on the screen when when they're doing the ring walks

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and the stealing nature of what the facial expressions and

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the calm pool and demeanor and the poise that Dua showed.

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I'm like, this guy is in the moment. He's not

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freaked out by the by the crowd, he's not freaked

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out by the lights. You know, He's here to perform.

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Whatever happens is gonna happen. But I felt like he

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was clearly from a mental perspective, which is very very

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important talk to any fighter. He was there and ready

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to fight. So you know, I'm not trying to read

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too much into it, and I don't usually do that,

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but when I saw that, I'm not saying this just

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because of what happened. I was thinking this in real time.

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As a matter of fact, I think the commentators were,

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we're mentioning something along those lines also, So right off

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the bat, I kind of figured like, Okay, we're in

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for a real serious fight here. And he just kept

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swinging the right hand and AJ's defense was derelict, and

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he got He got caught a few times. He tried,

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and even AJ said at the end when he went

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in there in the fifth round and he's you know,

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he's clearly damaged goods at this point, but he finally

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finds something and he nails right hand. You're like, okay,

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maybe he can turn the tide. So for about thirty

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seconds or maybe less, even you know, du wise on

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the back foot, he's not going bent to the ropes.

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AJ's coming forward with the right hands, and as AJ said,

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he got and he went for that second right bomb,

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and the counter shot from Dubois was absolutely as perfect

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the right hand as you can throw, laying the absolutely

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dead flush on the chin, and Joshua fell face first

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like a sack of shit. I mean, you just don't

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see a better shot than that. I mean, when I

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saw there, it looked like beautiful in the in the

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real time. Seeing it on the replay from the from

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a different angle where it actually was landing was like

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a sensational bock down. And then to watch Joshua on

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the mat trying to struggle to get up so credit

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he's showing the heart to get up, but he just

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can't do it, and then he falls over face first,

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and there's this the class. I took a picture off

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the TV screen of Joshua with his head on the canvas,

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his back foot up in the air, and the referee

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just standing over. I'm waving his arms like the fight's over,

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and that is a shocking scene. So for an absolute

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one sided ass kicking, that was about as exciting entertaining

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fight as you're gonna see. I mean, it was all

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Dubai basically, with a couple of moments for Joshua. So

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I got it. Got annoyed when I heard some people

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referring to it as like, oh, it's like heavyweight hag la. Hearns, Yeah, No,

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it wasn't. No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: But they weren't bombing each other close quarters for an

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entire round. No, Joshua was showing guts. Yes, Joshua was

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showed guts, but in the end, Dubois starched him and

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it's game over.

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Speaker 2: And Duboi with with with a questionable chin himself stood

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up to some big right hands because Anthony Joshua did

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land some very tough punches on him and he took it.

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I mean, that's that. That is about a big a

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moment as as you can see in boxing, for that

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type of atmosphere, the type of speak there and and

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and du wi that you know he'll never I mean,

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I don't know what's gonna happen in the rest of

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his career. Still a younger guy. He's only twenty seven

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years old. I don't know if he's ever gonna have

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a bigger moment than that, to score that type of

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spectacular knockout and that type of one sided ass whoop

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in front of that kind of crowd against your countryman

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defending a heavyweight world title. I mean, we can speak

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about the merit of the title, fine, but I'll say this,

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one of the things that that Daniel Debois spoke about

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in the lead up to the fight is and I

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appreciate the fact that he recognize this his you know,

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he had the belt, but we all know the manner

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in which he received it was very suspect, as as

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the kids say, TJ was sush and so for him

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to say ahead of the fight that that, while you

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got Anthony Joshua was looking to, you know, become a

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three time title holder, perhaps put himself in position for

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a fight with Tyson Fury, maybe a third fight against

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Alexander Usik. I appreciated the fact that Dubi was saying,

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I need to win this fight too, and he's the

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one that used the word I need to legitimize myself yep,

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because he knows the manner in which he achieved the belt.

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So he's not gonna feel like a champion until he

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can beat a guy like Anthony Joshua. And as as

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it turns out, we can say, fine, he got dominated

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and beat by Usig. Joshua lost twice to Usick, although

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by decision in a second fight was very close. Here's

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the reality, Danga Juba has every right to feel like

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he's a championship level fighter because he defeated Anthony Joshua

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far far more easily than Alexander Usik did over the

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course of two fights. You know, Alexander Usak could never

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put Joshua on the canvas and and and Dua did

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it four times in five rounds, including for the count. Uh,

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so you know he has every right to kind of

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puffish chest that a little bit like that. I mean,

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I'm not saying I'm sitting here telling you I need

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to see a rematch being Alexander Usik and Daniel Dubai.

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But in the end, that may be the fight that

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we want to see in mine up seeing because if

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he beats Fury and he's got the belts and Dubi

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is still sitting there. Uh, you know, maybe that becomes

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a thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, So that's an interesting aspect.

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What does this mean for Anthony Joshua that I want

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your opinion organically, Again, I say this to the audience.

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We don't rehearse this, so I'm curious what you think.

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He said in the ring after the fight that he

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believes he will, you know, go on here and and continue.

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But man, I mean this is now a third loss

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basically in the last three years. I know he had

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won three in a row going into this, But where

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where does he go from here?

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Speaker 2: If he goes from here, well, he also reiterated at

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the post fight news or till he had no intention

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of retiring. I know a lot of people in the

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immediate aftermath were calling for the retirement. I'm not necessarily

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sitting here saying he should retire. But one thing I

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it's it's very plainly obvious. And it's not just based

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on what happened in the fight with d Why. It's

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in his other losses as well, particularly against in the

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in the first fight against Andy Ruiz. You know, every

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heavyweight gets hurt when they get hit at some point

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in their career. The question is who can recover, and

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Anthony Joshua has not shown good recoverability in my opinion,

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I mean, and that's that's what what makes you worry

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about it. So, you know, if he wants to fight on,

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I mean, that's his prerogative, as long as he you know,

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is healthy in terms of his medicals and and you know,

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not suspended or anything like that. He is thirty four

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years old. I don't I don't really know uh what

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what he wants to still do. I know he'd like

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to get the title back, he you know. Eddie Hearn

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said in the postfight that Anthony Joshua did have a

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rematch clause. It shows you the the clout that Joshua

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carries it to be able to get a rematch clause.

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When he's the challenger for the title. Uh but and

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it was not a man, so he's got a rematch clause.

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Apparently he did exercise the rematch right against Usik. He

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also exercised a rematch right against Andy Ruiz. He obviously

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won the Andy Ruize rematch, lost to Goosi rematch. You know,

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I wouldn't mind seeing the Dubas fight again. I'm not

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really sure I think that I think he could change

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the tables. I mean, he's certainly.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you after what I saw Saturday, I

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don't know that he should get right back in there

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with Dubois. I don't just after what happened. You might

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be better served if you are going to continue to

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fight somebody else, build it, build confidence back up, and

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then maybe get back at Dubois at a later date.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what he That's what he did after Ustik.

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He went on that run that we discussed. He had

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to throw fights in a short period of time against

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you know, not the top top guys in Franklin, Helenius

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Whalen and and Naganu. But I'm not sure what there

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is to gain. He's look, he's had an excellent career.

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People can say maybe didn't live up to this or that, whatever.

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I know. This man's an Olympic gold medalist, He's a

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two time unified heavyweight champion. He has an excellent resume.

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He's being some quality guys unified. He's he reignited British boxing.

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He reignited the heavyweight division at a time when a

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lot of guys weren't fighting or willing to fight the

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top guys. Joshua did seek out the best fights. It

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still galls me though that, and I'm not I'm not

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saying that one guy is to blame. This guy's playing whatever.

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We're at a point now where Joshua, unfortunately, whatever happens

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in the future, to fight with Deontay Wilder, if it

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ever does happen and Wilder does plan to fight again,

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it's still it's not what it should have been, which

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was two undefeated heavyweight champions fire to the undersputed the

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title when they were still in their primes. He has

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never fought Tyson Fury, who was his you know, big

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rival from his own country. To think that he could

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00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,960
go through a career with the resume that he has

474
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,400
compiled that have those two not on the resume at all,

475
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,720
win or lose is sad. I'm not saying that Joshua's fault.

476
00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:49,720
I'm just saying, you know, at least Fury and Wilder

477
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,720
fought each other, uh three times, you know, and uh,

478
00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:57,200
he's in a tough spot, big time. I mean, but

479
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,119
you know, there's lots of times where you see an

480
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,960
event unfold like that kind of knockout, and you're like, man,

481
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,160
what's the guy gonna do now? And I'll just use

482
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,319
an example going back, you know, a number of years,

483
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,920
but a very famous one. Think about what people thought

484
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,319
when when when Tommy Hearns knocked at Roberto Durant flattened

485
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,759
him face first, the the indestructible Robert Durant left him

486
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,599
just massively like a pilot, you know, oatmeal on the canvas.

487
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,599
Roberto Durant. A lot of people at that point were like, oh, man,

488
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,920
you know what great career all time greats had some

489
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,440
awesome fights, fought everybody. Yeah, that's probably it, right. Guy

490
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,759
went on after that. He was no spring chicken at

491
00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:38,279
that point, and after that he ended up becoming but

492
00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:40,599
he had other big windsay, he won the freaking middleweight

493
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,240
title and an awesome fight against Iran Barkley. I mean,

494
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,680
so he carried on and he ended up winning some

495
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,039
other big time fights. Now Ken Joshua would do that.

496
00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:51,839
Heavyweights are a little different sometimes. So I don't know.

497
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,680
I don't think he's going to retire. I'm I don't think,

498
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,559
you know, I don't think he should retire if he

499
00:22:57,599 --> 00:22:59,799
doesn't want to retire, But I think he needs to

500
00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:02,960
have a long, serious conversation with his team and himself

501
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,599
about Okay, if I don't retire, what do I want

502
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,640
to do? How can we go about getting.

503
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,039
Speaker 1: And he's been searching for years, figuratively and literally. He's

504
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:13,440
been with several different trainers. He came and trained with

505
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,799
Derrick James right, he kep went and then he went

506
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,240
into Robert Garcia right, and he's back.

507
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: When Garcia was first Garcia.

508
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: Then Derrick James, now now with Ben Davidson. He's never

509
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,880
gone back to Rob McCracken, who was with him from

510
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,119
his amateur days and was the British national boxing coach

511
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,240
for the Olympics. So he's been searching figuratively and literally

512
00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:35,319
for what's the what's the right mix with trainer and whatever,

513
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,799
and so I don't know.

514
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:40,039
Speaker 2: Here, here's here's the here's the here's the truth. You

515
00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:43,079
could have any great trainer and you could possibly ask

516
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,079
for it. You could bring back Emmanuel Stewart, Eddie Futch,

517
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,960
you name it, Angelo Dundee, whoever may be. You can't

518
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,079
teach the chin right. And when Anthony Joshua he gets

519
00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:55,680
tapped on the chin, he doesn't take it as well

520
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,640
as others have. It's not I'm not it's not a

521
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,920
knock on them. It's doesn't make him a bad guy. Now.

522
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,920
Matter of fact, one thing that makes me so sad

523
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,200
about what unvolved is I genuinely like Anthony Joshua as

524
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,480
a person. I've met him many times, interviewed him many

525
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,559
times as a class act. Always been you know, other

526
00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:15,480
than the crazy breakdown after the loss. You know, he

527
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:22,400
had that episode after the second fight, the first fighter. Okay,

528
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,279
he's he's been a stand up guy. I mean he

529
00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:27,200
really has. And he's he's been good with the with

530
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,640
the fans, good with the press, been respectful to the opponent.

531
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,160
So you know, I just wish the best for him

532
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,279
and Uh, you know, if he retires, I think that's

533
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,079
a good thing. But I wouldn't sit here and advocate

534
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,680
and say he should retire. But I don't know what

535
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,599
else stairs for him to do at this point. He's

536
00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:45,640
made by the way he's made. Probably and I'm being

537
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,079
conservative when I say this, he's had at made at

538
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,920
least and I think it's probably more, at least five

539
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,039
hundred million dollars. And that's he has had massive, massive,

540
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:57,880
massive purses and paydays in the ring. And he's also

541
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,000
one of the fighters that has made dramatic amounts of

542
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,759
money from his his endorsements and his outside the rest.

543
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: It's not money motivated to keep fighting, is what you're saying,

544
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,440
And I agree it's not. So the real question just

545
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,880
one more and then we're gonna move to the rest

546
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,880
of the card and then talk to ESPN top rank card.

547
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:18,480
Is what happened to my late twenty tens early twenty

548
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:22,279
twenties heavyweight division, where you had Deontay Wilder, you had

549
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:24,359
Tyson Fury. I know he's only taken the one loss

550
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,359
to Usik, and you had Anthony Joshua And right now,

551
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,839
I mean we have Alex, we have Alexander Usik to

552
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,359
a lesser extent, you got Duwa, But we have Alexander

553
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,440
Usik who cleaned out Joshua twice and beat Tyson Fury.

554
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,480
And in the meantime, Deontay Wada lost twice to Tyson Fury,

555
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:42,799
lost to Joseph Parker got knocked out by Jane. What

556
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:44,160
do we have out of those guys?

557
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,279
Speaker 2: We have Usik number one. I mean, he beat Fury,

558
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:50,079
Farren square, he beat Joshua twice, Farren squirty knocked out Dubat.

559
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,839
I mean, are three really big wins. I mean Dwin

560
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:54,680
is now big.

561
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,839
Speaker 1: Four total wins, four total wins over three guys, right, yeah.

562
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: I mean the Dua fight wasn't a big win necessary

563
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,079
at the time, but it looks a lot better now

564
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,119
today than it did, you know last summer when he

565
00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:07,839
or you know, August of twenty twenty three when he

566
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,519
got that victory. You know, the heavyweight division is one

567
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:13,039
of those things. I mean, when you have big guys

568
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,640
who can punch and are willing to fight each other,

569
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,440
guys are gonna lose. I mean, I have to tell

570
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,119
you to me anyway, the heavyweight division is much fun

571
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,640
today as it's been I think pretty much my entire

572
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,119
time covering boxing. You know, I didn't cover it boxing

573
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,240
in the in that great era of the nineties. I

574
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:27,960
caught the tail line and you know, and covered the

575
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:30,480
end of that year when Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis

576
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,680
had their fight. But that was the end of that

577
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,480
era and then the domination of the Klitschkow brothers. It

578
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,960
was a it was a good ear from the standpoint

579
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,039
of two dominating figures who you know, were basically unbeatable.

580
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,240
And even when Vladimir lost, you know, he avenged like

581
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:45,799
the Brewster loss and this and that. But he was

582
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:47,839
so dominating for like over a decade, as was his

583
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,519
brother after he came back from retirement. Vally I'm talking

584
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,079
about that. There wasn't a lot of excitement. There wasn't

585
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:55,799
a lot of natural rivalries. You know, even when Vladimir

586
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,079
fought the rivalry fight that everybody looked forward to against

587
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,759
David Hey, the fight turned out to stay because David

588
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,119
Hey did nothing but flop around like a goldfish on

589
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,880
the canvas. But now with Fury, with uh Sick, with Wilder,

590
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,440
with Joshua, with Jang, with Joe Parker, you know, with

591
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,039
with preventing Duboi. With all this group of guys, it's

592
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:17,839
been a lot of fun. There's there are guys are

593
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:21,240
fighting each other. There's been good knockouts, been entertainment. So

594
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,440
you know, I look forward to, like a couple of

595
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,240
years from now when this when this era has sort

596
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,880
of come to a close, of looking back to assess it,

597
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,839
to figure it all out, because you know, we're in

598
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,839
the middle of it. Still, it's still going on. There's

599
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:35,400
still a few more fights that are gonna probably take

600
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,960
place or half to take place. But it's been a

601
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,119
lot of fun, and Dubui has put himself right now,

602
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,480
right in the middle of it all. And as actually

603
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:43,680
of the guys that I've been mentioning, he's the youngest

604
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,240
of that group.

605
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: Interesting, all right. So there was more action on this card,

606
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:54,319
Let's get to it, including Hamza Chiraz devastating when over

607
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,440
Tyler Danny to become European Middleway champ. Let's go right there.

608
00:27:57,559 --> 00:27:59,480
It was over. It was over in a hurry and

609
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,680
just two rounds. And it's not everything, and I know

610
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,880
it's level of competition, but he looks the part of

611
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,599
world title challenger, if not world champion. To me, what

612
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:12,680
about to you?

613
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,279
Speaker 2: Oh, no question that Sharaz is ready to fight for

614
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,440
world title. He said it afterwards. He's tired of likes

615
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,920
calling it out. Just let him have that kind of fight.

616
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,119
I will say this though, Tyler Denny, I didn't really

617
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,759
think I had a chance to really win the fight.

618
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,079
I did kind of think the stopage a little bit premature.

619
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,559
You know, he'd been down once in the first round,

620
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,079
he got dropped in the second round, he was up.

621
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:31,960
He complained about it, like, he seemed like he was

622
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,200
okay after the second knockdown, So I thought it was

623
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,680
a little bit of a quick trigger. I'm not saying

624
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,200
that the result would have been different, but uh, you know,

625
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,000
I think in that situation, when he's not like badly hurt,

626
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:43,279
you know, he kind of got to give him the

627
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,960
opportunity to keep going. But that said, Sharaz was very impressive.

628
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:48,400
Just went in there and blow him out. Took the

629
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,279
European title, an important stepping stone title we've talked about before,

630
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,279
and now it's a matter of who's gonna be willing

631
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:55,440
to step in and fight him. I mean, one of

632
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,119
the things about it was before Tyler Denny got the

633
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,880
car remember when Denny fall and defended the European title

634
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,720
in his previous fight back in June against Felix Cash.

635
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,559
He won the fight and literally the next day got

636
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,400
offered the fight against Shiraz and they took it. He

637
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,759
like went right back in camp. It's been you know,

638
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,440
almost it was like three months to the day, one day,

639
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,039
shy of three months since he had fought Felix Cash

640
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,039
in June. So he took that. They were they were

641
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,880
really getting kind of I won't say desperate, but they

642
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,640
were really looking for a solid opponent for to fight.

643
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,519
And the reason why is because they had offered the

644
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,920
fight to Chris you Bank Junior. I think Chris you

645
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,799
Bank Junior was willing to take it, but he wasn't

646
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,000
going to get paid the kind of money that he wanted,

647
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:38,839
so he turned that down. And now there's a depends

648
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:42,480
who you believe. Top Rank has told me and other

649
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:51,039
reporters that that the Saudis offered a deal for Janebec

650
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,079
to defend his titles against Sharaz on this card. It

651
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,480
is the manager Egus Klemus of that is the manager

652
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,680
for Janebec, who claims that that is not true. So

653
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,680
when I reported that or posted something on social media,

654
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,559
and others did the same. Uh. We spoke about a

655
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,440
little bit on our US show. I saw like my

656
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,200
my longtime ring side colleague, Kevin Ioli reported about it.

657
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,359
I think Jake Donovan from The Ring magazine reported on it,

658
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:20,240
you know, and I guess gets a little bit of

659
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,839
an attitude and he's like, well, who told you that?

660
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,680
Where's your information? I said, well, I didn't make it up.

661
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:26,759
Go talk to your promoter, top rank, someone who said it.

662
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:28,200
So when I wrote about it, and when the other

663
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,359
guys wrote about it, it wasn't even like, you know, quote

664
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,079
unquote sources said, you know, go right to your promoter,

665
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,160
talk to top rank, talk to Todd the Buff, talk

666
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,720
to Bob Aaron, you know, talk talk to their PR team,

667
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,440
talk to their talk to them. You know what I'm saying. So,

668
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,359
you know, I feel like Shiraz would have had that

669
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,480
opportunity if Janetbeck was willing to do the fight. I'm

670
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,240
told they were offered like over a million dollars a

671
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,599
million and a half dollars or so to go to

672
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,759
to the UK and defend the title on this card.

673
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,000
And now you have Janebeck going to Australia in a

674
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,720
few weeks to fight for a fraction of the money.

675
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,000
So if they were offered a million five, obviously, look

676
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,200
the manager takes his cut. Top rank would have got

677
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,960
its cut. But now on a per spid he's gonna

678
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,720
make I think his purse on the on the cut

679
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,400
of the purse bit is about I don't know, two

680
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,480
hundred and thirty five or two hundred and forty thousand

681
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:14,160
dollars of which you know, top ranks and title to

682
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,319
their percentage. The manager's stole title to their percentage. So

683
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,240
that's if you're gonna go and defend the title, you

684
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:21,720
still got to go through the training camp. You might

685
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:25,480
as well go and fight the biggest fight possible. Now,

686
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,079
maybe you think he's just such a money favorite to

687
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:31,000
win against mccalovich that it's worth it to take the

688
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:32,680
short money just to go get a defense and put

689
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,880
the money in your pocket. But you know what, why

690
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,440
wouldn't you go after the biggest money on the biggest stage.

691
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,680
So you know they deny the Janet X scided they

692
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,079
were offered to fight. H I don't have any reason

693
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:44,839
to believe that the people I talked to a top

694
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,839
rank were just completely making that up whole cloth and

695
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,000
telling that to myself and other reporters out of nowhere.

696
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,440
So you know, we'll see. But Shiraz is ready for

697
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,160
that type of fight, whoever it is. As you know,

698
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,279
we've talked about the middleweight divisions attle rough right now.

699
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,799
But Jannabe's got two of the titles. You know, is

700
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,720
he gonna fight? You know, Carlos Adamis from PBC, he's

701
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,839
got one of the belts. I mean, he's somewhat anonymous unfortunately,

702
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,680
so that's not a name recognition wise, not a big fight.

703
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:12,880
And then Aristani Laura who just defended the WBA title

704
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,160
uh in the fight that was against any Garcia on

705
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,599
the Canelo card a couple of weeks ago. So that's

706
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,880
your that's your lineup of title holders. That's a damis,

707
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,319
it's Janne Beck and Is Laura. So if you want

708
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,119
a title shot, you're gonna have to deal with those folks.

709
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,039
But Charaz is ready to fight whoever. I mean. And

710
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,160
he's also a dynamic puncher. He's got big size, he's

711
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,079
got big reach. Yep. He carries himself well outside the ring.

712
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,720
He's pretty pretty calm and direct when you ask him

713
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,519
questions when he responds to the question, so there's you know,

714
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,799
I think he's a monster. He's his size is what

715
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:41,519
does it? He looks?

716
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:45,799
Speaker 1: He was shocking how much bigger he was shockingly bigger

717
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,200
than Tyler Denning in the ring absolutely not just the

718
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,839
height but the weight, on the rehydration or whatever.

719
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: So so he seems to me like of a of

720
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,400
a pretty poor middleweight division overall, of of of anybody,

721
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,480
including the guys with the belts. To me, the interesting

722
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,839
fighter in the way class presently is definitely Hamsa Shiraz

723
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,920
and he looked good on that fight, and I look

724
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,799
forward to see him even if he if he can't

725
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,599
get a title fight, hopefully they'll just keep him busy

726
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,640
and uh let him keep knocking guys out, the best

727
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,400
guys you can find.

728
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,359
Speaker 1: We keep rolling on the recaps here. Let's go through

729
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,200
it fairly quickly here and then move on. Joshua Bowatzi

730
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,519
does get the win. It was a split decision with

731
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:25,240
a bizarre scorecard over Willie Hutchinson. He's now the WBO's

732
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:32,720
interim light heavyweight champ. Anthony Kasachi, let's go on. Also one,

733
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:34,920
you had some other fights as well, so go ahead,

734
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,359
what else you like on this card? Give me some

735
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:36,839
more insight.

736
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,279
Speaker 2: Botsi and Hutchinson was the best fight of the car

737
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,640
of the you know, other than the main event. This was,

738
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,319
and that the main event wasn't very competitive in terms

739
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:48,279
of competition and action. Boos and Hutchinson, as we suspected,

740
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,279
by the way, really really good, top level, excellent fight,

741
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,799
very competitive, tremendous battle. Both guys showed a lot of heart,

742
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,039
a lot of grit, really having to dig down to

743
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,319
get the win. Buatsi, I feel like in terms of

744
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,079
the win that he got the experience that he has

745
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:03,240
as a professional. I know they have about the same

746
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:05,359
number of fights, but Boatsi's definitely been fighting a better

747
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,719
level of opponents. You know, Botzi was slightly more accomplished

748
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,440
than the amateurs. He got a medal in the Olympics.

749
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,559
Hutchinson did not go to the Olympics, even though he

750
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,559
was a decorated amateur. Well maybe he did go to

751
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:18,039
the Olympics, but whatever it was, he didn't get in

752
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:20,559
a medal in the Olympics. Anyway, really really good fight

753
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,519
and he went down two times. Hutchinson got dropped in

754
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:25,480
the sixth round and in the ninth round, he also

755
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,880
put himself in a hole. Whatever you think about the

756
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,719
score cards and this, you know, it's one thing to

757
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,280
get dropped, but this was his fault because he led

758
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,719
with his head and was we you know, warned about

759
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,880
it repeatedly. He got a point deducted for no reason

760
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,639
in the seventh round because he went and did that again.

761
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,679
So right there, you're down in extra three points just

762
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,719
on the knockdowns end the headbutting foul. So it's gonna

763
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,880
be very hard in an otherwise competitive fight to actually

764
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,320
win the fight. And I don't know what that one

765
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,760
judge was looking at. I'm looking at the score cards here.

766
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,800
You had one judge had at one fifteen to one

767
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,400
to ten for Buatzi, which makes sense based on scoring

768
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,519
in the deductions and the knockdowns. One judge had it

769
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,639
one seventeen to one oh eight in favor of wats.

770
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,360
He also makes sense because of the other ones.

771
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: Then there's always one.

772
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one thirteen, one to twelve in favor of Hutchinson.

773
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,119
That just was bizarre today. But but the end of

774
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:17,639
the day, Blatzi got to win. It was the heck

775
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,000
of a fight. Uh, you know, Willie Hutchinson. You know,

776
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:21,960
he he he showed a lot of heart in the

777
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,679
fight and he certainly made it exciting.

778
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,599
Speaker 1: So he did not he did not win seven rounds

779
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,639
of that fight, which is what one thirteen twelve is

780
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,159
with the knockdowns, right, But.

781
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,039
Speaker 2: So he gets the loss, you know what, you give

782
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:33,480
him a rest and you dust him up. I still

783
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,559
think he can be a contender and maybe win a

784
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,400
title and do some good thing in the weight class.

785
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,599
And Boatzi, you know, now has the interim belt and

786
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:42,039
you know, I know that may not be a big

787
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:43,760
deal to some people, but what really what it does

788
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,880
is it now pinks him the mandatory in the WBO

789
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,239
for the winner of the undisputed fight that comes up

790
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,079
October twelfth between better Be and Bevall. And so whether

791
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:52,840
he fights the winner that fight, or he fights for

792
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,800
a vacant title or a man I mean, he gets

793
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,079
elevated rather and then defends that. You know he's going

794
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,079
to be in that mix. And he's a good fighter.

795
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,719
I mean it was a they had a good plan.

796
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,280
They they worked over Hutchinson to the body. Watsy showed

797
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,679
a really good dominating right hand. I mean he really

798
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,679
kind of put that together, and remember he's coming off

799
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,559
What I liked about this fight going into it was

800
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,639
they both coming off their biggest win. Hutchinson had beaten

801
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,519
Craig Richard on another season card, and you had Watsey

802
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:21,800
coming off a very tough win against Dan a Z.

803
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,599
So they're both on a little bit of a role.

804
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:26,039
Both had been active in recent fights, and now they're

805
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:27,960
matched up with each other, and it delivered the action

806
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:30,199
that we expected and it was highly contendited. So I

807
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,679
really liked that fight you mentioned about Kasachi. Yep, so

808
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,840
he fights Warrington. We don't have to relitigate why it

809
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,519
wasn't for the IVF title, but it wasn't for the

810
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,199
IVF title. Although if Kasachi had lost, he would have

811
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,480
lost the belt, but Warrington wouldn't have won it. That's,

812
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,519
you know. I like to say the IBF doing IVF things. Yes,

813
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,519
In terms of the fight itself, Kasachi was clearly the

814
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,559
bigger man than Warrington. I was a little disappointed in

815
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,320
this fight. It was okay, it just didn't really light

816
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,599
my fire too much in the end, though the scores

817
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,440
were right. Kasachi won the fight pretty clear one seventeen,

818
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,599
one eleven on two cards. One eighteen to one to ten.

819
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,760
I did kind of think though that even though I

820
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,239
clearly felt like Tasati won the fight, I kind of

821
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,800
thought those cards they were a little bit disrespectful to

822
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,039
what Warrington did do. I thought he worked the body well.

823
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,639
I thought he fought on the inside really well. And

824
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,559
you know, maybe and not look, he didn't win, but

825
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,519
you know, maybe a little more respect to having a

826
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:23,320
point or two closer wouldn't have been out of the realm.

827
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,599
But really, what happens here is Warrington, who now lost

828
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:29,039
three fights in a row. This was making This fight

829
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,199
was him in his one hundred and thirty pounds debut.

830
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,960
He's now lost three fights in a row, starting when

831
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,400
he lost the title to Luis Alberta Lopez in twenty

832
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,000
twenty two. Just fought the one time in twenty twenty three,

833
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,880
that was the rough knockout against Lee Wood. And now

834
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960
he's back and to fighting at one hundred and thirty

835
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:45,960
pounds in this fight against Kassachi, and he did this

836
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:48,920
symbolic thing like a lot of upcon bat athletes do

837
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,440
when the fight was over. He lost the fight. He

838
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,639
didn't bitch about the scoring or anything like that. They

839
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:55,039
cut the gloves off and he laid him down in

840
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,719
the middle of the ring. That's obviously that's the seal

841
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,960
that he's retiring. I mean, so I think we've seen

842
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:01,840
last of Warrington and he could always change his mind,

843
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,920
but at least as of today, he retires. Look for

844
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,840
a guy that was he was an overachiever in many respects.

845
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,480
You know, he won featherweight titles twice, both IBF versions

846
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,039
of it, had had the two fights unfortunately for him

847
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:19,440
that that didn't go his way with Mauricio Lara. But

848
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,280
he has some some big nights. Uh. They they filled

849
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,880
up stadiums. Uh you know where he is in in

850
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,000
in Leeds, England against Lee Selby, and he had the

851
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,079
big win against Carl Frampton. Uh, not a good fight,

852
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:32,960
but he had a good win against the undefeated at

853
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,960
the time, Kid Galahad devastating performance against Takouch from from France,

854
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,199
had the shootout with Lara, had the had the the

855
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,159
rebound against Kiko Martinez. I mean, he fought a lot

856
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,480
of good guys, you know, he he he lost, but

857
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,800
it was a very close fight when he lost the

858
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,159
belt against Lopez. He had a good career and if

859
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,360
this is the end there are worse ways to go

860
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,599
out than having a competitive, albeit losing effort against Kasachi.

861
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:59,119
One thing about Josh Warrington, though, uh, the guy never

862
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,000
came to their He didn't give it at all, and

863
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,360
as a fan, I can appreciate that, all right.

864
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,679
Speaker 1: And then the other two fight you mentioned it was

865
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:06,760
a long card, but wait, there's more. The other two

866
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,719
fights real quick, and one of them was an upset

867
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,199
go ahead.

868
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,679
Speaker 2: So the second fight of the night was the middleweight

869
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,280
Josh Kelly, who took him majority decision against the late

870
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,000
replacement Ishmael Davis, who filled in for the ill w

871
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:23,639
Liam Smith. This fight annoyed me. Josh Kelly gets so

872
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,000
much hype, and he was a good amateur, you know,

873
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,280
did a lot of stuff, was an Olympian, did suffer

874
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,760
an upset loss as a pro. But he gets so

875
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,519
much hype and I don't get it. I'll be honest

876
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:39,159
with you. I see a guy that looks in good shape,

877
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,039
that looks the part, that clearly has got some skills,

878
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,840
but he just and I've watched many many of his fights,

879
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,119
a lot of them have been on his own. It

880
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:51,400
seems like every time I see him he's underperforming. He's underwhelming.

881
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:54,599
His resume is garbage. He hasn't fought top guys. Now

882
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:56,760
that's not his fault, that's his team and his matchmakers

883
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,239
and put him in the ring. But he's not really

884
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,400
fought anybody. The one time he fought a quote unquote

885
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,039
name was when he got knocked out by David Evanessian

886
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:08,440
in a European title fight in twenty twenty one. So

887
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,320
he's constantly underwhelmed me. And now he goes in with

888
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,559
Ishmael Davis. Granted it was a six day replacement, and

889
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:16,719
you know, he was winning the fight and then he

890
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,079
was got knocked out in the twelfth round and it

891
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,199
was just, you know, he he's skated by with a

892
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,360
majority of this blood.

893
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: He had a bloody eye bothering him. He was winning,

894
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,880
busted up.

895
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so he moved up to one hundred

896
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,159
and sixty pounds and and barely won. And you know,

897
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,920
I just I've never gotten the hype on Josh Kelly.

898
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,440
So that was that fight. That fight annoyed me, and

899
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,119
the feel good one are feel bad depending on which

900
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,719
guy you're rooting for. But when you see the opening fight,

901
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,519
good fight. Mark Chamberlain the lightweight with this fight, even

902
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:50,039
though he's been a lightweight. This fight was over the

903
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,159
way that a Julia walterweight fight he fights. They they

904
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:56,320
handpicked the club fighter, Josh Padley, great record fourteen and

905
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,840
oh and Chamberlain is sixteen and oh. But clearly Chamberlain

906
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,920
is the more experienced guy, fought the better opponents. Padley's

907
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,480
been fighting on like you know, dinner show cards and

908
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,039
little club cards and you know, as they called in

909
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,960
the UK, the small hall shows fighting six rounders and

910
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,880
eight rounders and that sort of thing. And Chamberlain the

911
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,519
handpicked a favorite fighter of Turkey, al Chic, who has

912
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,480
personally put him on these Riat season cards over the

913
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:25,760
last year or so, and he's It wasn't well publicized,

914
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,559
but I reported about this and we've talked about a

915
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,280
little bit. This fight was there for him to have

916
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,360
a tune up. If he wins the fight, he comes

917
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,280
out with no injuries, He's getting a world championship opportunity

918
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,440
against Denny Branchek on the undercard of Tyson Furi's rematch

919
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,679
with Lusik and December twenty first, So the title shot

920
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,840
was there waiting for him. Branchick's been on hold since

921
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,360
his victory to win the title. And what happens. Josh

922
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,159
Padley fights the fight of his fucking life out of

923
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:55,079
his skin, as they say in the Brits. And he

924
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:56,360
went in there and he took it to him and

925
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,719
he won legit a unanimous decision. It was you know, competitive,

926
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,840
but no doubt about it. Josh Padley fought the fight

927
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,039
of his life and upsets Mark Chamberlain and you know

928
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,599
takes his undefeated record, ruins his title shots. And I

929
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,159
thought the most uh, one of the more compelling post

930
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,280
fight interviews I have seen is you know, he spoke

931
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,719
about the fight and then he says, look, I'm not

932
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,079
signed to a prooter. So if anybody out there wants

933
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,320
to sign you know, a top super featherweight, uh a featherweight,

934
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,000
you know, I'm your man, you know, give me a

935
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,360
call or whatever. He said. But that was very endearing.

936
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,360
And you know he'll be back to work on Monday.

937
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,599
And but you know, when you pull off that kind

938
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:32,079
of win, somebody out there should want to sign the guy.

939
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:33,840
He's got to seem like you had a good personality,

940
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:35,840
took a good shot, gave a good shot, made a

941
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,159
fun fight. Uh, you know, you're root for guys like

942
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,000
that to be able to to not have to go

943
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:41,920
to work at nine o'clock every morning and punch the

944
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,400
clock and can make something out of themselves in boxing

945
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,280
and Chamberlain. You know, I assume that if Turkey is

946
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,639
still a big fan of his, he'll give him a

947
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,079
chance to make the comeback. But one would assume it's

948
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,920
not going to be in the world title fight come December.

949
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think, all right, we move on. We moved

950
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,519
back cargo car. Yes, we moved backwards to Friday night

951
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:02,039
and the PN top ranked show in Arizona, where Jimi

952
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:07,559
Mungia did return and took out eric A Bazigian. As uh.

953
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,639
He looked good throughout the fight and finally got the

954
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:13,960
stoppage in the tenth round. So give me a couple

955
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,519
of thoughts on that main event from back on Friday.

956
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: It was a pretty good fight, high level. I thought

957
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,119
both guys fought really well. Mongia showed me a bit

958
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,239
more technically than he typically does. He wasn't just in

959
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,480
there trying to you know complete you know he I mean,

960
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:28,079
he likes to brawl and likes to mix it up,

961
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,400
But it wasn't you know that was not the only thing.

962
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,960
He was trying to show him a few things, and

963
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,239
you know, used his jab and you know, tried the

964
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,800
box and spots and and then looked for the openings

965
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,639
to brawl him and to really inflict himself on Bezenian.

966
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,519
But this was a good fight. Bazinion had that big

967
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,760
height advantage. I think that kind of freaked out Mungi

968
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,480
a little bit. You know, Bazinion goes about six foot one.

969
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,239
He had a long reach and it took Munky a

970
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,760
little bit of time to figure that out. It was

971
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,800
a competitive fight at a time. At the stoppage, Mungi

972
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,159
was the head on all three score cards. But it

973
00:43:57,159 --> 00:43:59,360
wasn't like he was blown away. One was you know,

974
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,079
only at one point on one scorecard. But look in

975
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,599
the end, uh, you know, Bazinian can only keep up

976
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:07,960
what he was doing for so long, and eventually Mangia

977
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,159
broke through and he's just putting this clock in the

978
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,119
tenth round and scored the big knockout on you know,

979
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,880
really was kind of like a one punch situation, I thought,

980
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,559
both guys though, you know, for Mangia it's him coming

981
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:21,920
back off the loss to Canelo, so he gets back

982
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,880
in the win column, takes out an undefeated guy that

983
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,960
was like a lower top ten type contender, puts himself

984
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,119
in position for some bigger fights in that weight class,

985
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,400
which other than Canelo, who has the belts for at

986
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,559
least the most of the belts, there's still other good

987
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,760
interesting fights that can and for Bisingian. Look, he even

988
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,599
said it himself, like, I know he didn't win the fight,

989
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:42,400
but like he showed he's you know, he can hang

990
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,719
with any of the top guys. Uh, you know, he

991
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:46,880
didn't disgrace himself. I would love to see him in

992
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,679
another real fight. You know a lot of times you

993
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,960
see a guy take a loss and they make you

994
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,400
wantant to see them again. He probably made more fans

995
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,800
and gain more attention and positive vibes, let's say towards

996
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,920
what he did in this one loss, and he did

997
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,760
in any of his previous thirty three fights where you know,

998
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,639
he was largely not seen by a lot of people,

999
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,239
wasn't really fighting top top opponents. So he's got absoutely

1000
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,159
nothing to be shamed of. Bazinian, can you know, be

1001
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,159
back on my screen any time, and you know, against

1002
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,920
a solid opponent. And now the thing here though, is

1003
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,920
what's gonna be next for Mangia, And they mentioned a

1004
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,880
couple of names after the fight. Kayleb Plant, the former

1005
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,119
title holder obviously the previous week at scored his own

1006
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,960
victory against McCombe on the Canelo undercard. They mentioned Edgar Berlanga,

1007
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,639
who even though he lost to Canelo, certainly is still

1008
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,800
viable for anybody. Christian Mabilly, who's now also co promoted

1009
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,400
by top rank like Magia is. Those are all excellent fights.

1010
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,239
I mean, honestly, you could take Mangia, Cayleb Plant, Berlanga,

1011
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,320
and Mobilly and make any matchups betting any of those

1012
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,079
guys and you're probably gonna get yourself a good fight.

1013
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,880
So you know, those seem like what's out there. Mabilly's

1014
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,639
sidelined a little bit till the end of the year,

1015
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,119
probably through the first part of next year after I

1016
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,280
guess he has shoulder surgery following his victory against devren

1017
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,559
Chenko a couple of weeks ago, so we'll see what

1018
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,119
comes to that. But Magia, uh, you know, he's a

1019
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:05,840
fun fighter, he's a pretty good draw. He made himself

1020
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,400
bigger after the loss of Canelo, and he's got a

1021
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,719
bright future stove, even even coming off that Canolo defeat.

1022
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: All right, speaking to bright futures, Richard Torres did win

1023
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:20,079
the co feature fight by DQ over Joey Diweco. Deweco

1024
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,360
badly out of shape, but Diweco spent most of the

1025
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,480
fight trying to clutch, trying to spit his mouthpiece out

1026
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:30,199
because he was tired. The referee took points plural away

1027
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,920
for doing that and then eventually decued him in the

1028
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,920
fifth round. I think it was inevitably going to be

1029
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,679
a knockout anyway, whenever it came it ends up being

1030
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:41,039
a DQ. Something about that as well for Torres, who

1031
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:41,719
gets another win.

1032
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's pretty clear to me you'd never seen Joey

1033
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,960
Diweco fight before, because that was Joey Deweco actually in

1034
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,039
pretty good change. That was that was Joey Diweco at

1035
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:54,599
his lightest weight in years, in years. He actually was

1036
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:56,800
in the best shape he's been in in quite a

1037
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,559
long time. You got to go back to like when

1038
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:01,239
he was two hundred and thirty three against Brian Jennings

1039
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,159
in twenty eighteen, which a fight actually was at that

1040
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:08,760
fight in Philadelphia. He came into this fight against against

1041
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Torres two hundred and forty four pounds. That that's good

1042
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,840
for Joey Deweco. The problem with Joey Deweco is that

1043
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,599
he just doesn't have the spirit to fight anymore like

1044
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,159
he once did. I've seen Joey Diweco in some fucking

1045
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:23,440
all out wars that would have been exciting had a

1046
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,199
good chin. He just, you know, clearly has now gone

1047
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,480
over the mountain top as far as now with that

1048
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:33,000
opponent mentality. Just did not want to put himself in

1049
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:36,559
a bad situation and kept spitting out the mouthpiece a

1050
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,440
couple of times. It did get legitially knocked out, but

1051
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,960
you know when the ref says, if he comes out again,

1052
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,400
I'm disqualifying you, and then soon enough it comes out again.

1053
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,639
That was his way of saying, you know what, I'm

1054
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,239
gonna get my loss by DQ. I'm not getting stopped

1055
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,280
tonight though, because he was on the verge again stop

1056
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,960
ridgeitd Torres was in tremendous condition. He's a good puncher,

1057
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,920
he had an idea what he wanted to do. He

1058
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,280
was on the attack. He was looking for a knockout

1059
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,239
and he would have got I believe if the referee

1060
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,440
had let the fight continue you but Joey kept spitting

1061
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,639
out the mouthpiece and that's that was a sign of resignation.

1062
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,079
I thought it was. It was a disappointing thing because

1063
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:10,719
going into the fight I had, I didn't think it

1064
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,000
was gonna be like, you know, the greatest fight in

1065
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:13,599
the world. And I thought the Wicco would lose the

1066
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,159
fight for sure, but I thought he would give some

1067
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:18,880
competition and that uh, and it would be a good

1068
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,440
fun fight for as long as a lassion. But he

1069
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,559
didn't make it either because Torres dominated and Deweco just

1070
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,679
showed he didn't have the spirit to fight anymore. So

1071
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,599
Torres not not his fault. Unfortunately for Richard, though he

1072
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,480
had been ten to zero with ten knockouts, now he's

1073
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:34,559
eleven to zero with ten knockouts because he gets a DQ. Unfortunately,

1074
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:38,440
he was denied the ability to keep his perfect knockout record. Now,

1075
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,679
in the long run, that may be a good thing

1076
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:41,800
because that pressure is no longer there. No one's going

1077
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,719
to be asking about can you keep the knockout street

1078
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,760
go And remember we went through this whole thing with

1079
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,320
just recently with Berlanga, although that was in the first

1080
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,639
round anyway, So Torres moves as this was still whatever

1081
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,079
you think about Deweco was still by far the best

1082
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,480
opponent he has faced thus far. And now we'll move on.

1083
00:48:57,639 --> 00:48:59,199
And you know what a lot of people are to

1084
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,840
start to look at Richard or As I think because

1085
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:05,800
mm hmm, he is the only you know, undefeated, notable

1086
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,599
American heavyweight up and comer. I mean he has the

1087
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:10,840
Olympic silver medal, which right off the bat, you know,

1088
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,920
if somebody needs you got that means you have to

1089
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,920
pay attention to him.

1090
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what two other things does he have? He

1091
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:21,239
has activity, and he's been fighting on national TV, not

1092
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,559
pay per view on ESPN where people can sample it

1093
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,199
see him and see him frequently. And those things are

1094
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,000
both gonna help him to whatever extent he can move up.

1095
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,440
And I know we both still have questions can he

1096
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,360
be a championship level fighter? But he's been active, he's

1097
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,920
been fighting on national TV, so you're interested in seeing

1098
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,440
him again.

1099
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,599
Speaker 2: You want to follow the journey. And when there's not

1100
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,039
a lot of other journeys to follow of American undefeated

1101
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:49,079
heavyweights or not even undefeated, but heavyweights in general, that

1102
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,559
are interesting, Uh, you know, he's the guy that's there

1103
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:54,480
I mean, we saw Jared Anderson take the loss, not

1104
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,559
to say he can't come back, but it was such

1105
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,000
a rough loss for him that you got a kind

1106
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,400
of question of where he's going from here. And I

1107
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,480
don't know where Torres is gonna wind up, but like

1108
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:05,280
I said, the journey is going to be fun to watch.

1109
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,559
He's got an exciting style. He's made for TV. He's

1110
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,519
kind of got a quirky personality which makes him interesting

1111
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:14,480
and so look, he gets to win. I don't want

1112
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:16,239
to make too much of it because Dwekco, like I said,

1113
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,039
just did not seem like he really wanted to be

1114
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:19,840
there to fight, even though he was in good shape

1115
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,920
relative to what he's been for recent fights. And Torres

1116
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,239
moves on. I suspect, you know, we're going to see

1117
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,400
another busy active Richard Torres in twenty twenty five. Not

1118
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,559
sure if they'll fight again the rest of this year.

1119
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,639
Hopefully they can get him in one more time top ranks.

1120
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,679
You know, their their schedule is more limited in the

1121
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,719
back half of the year because of football, so they

1122
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,880
don't have that many shows. They got the card coming

1123
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,159
up on Friday in New York. Obviously he's not on

1124
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:47,519
that show and they their last show is in December,

1125
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,239
December seventh. Maybe they find a spot for him on

1126
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,960
there potentially. But anyway, it was a good year for

1127
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,840
Richard Torres and you know, big things hopefully for him

1128
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,239
next year.

1129
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: And Emiliano Vargas also on this court. I know you're

1130
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,519
very high on him. He does get the TKO.

1131
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: I'm not that high on him. I don't know why

1132
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:04,920
I'm putting words in my mouth.

1133
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: Well, you said of the Vargas brothers, I am going

1134
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,719
to put the words that you said in your mouth.

1135
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,159
If this is the one that has the most potential,

1136
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,400
the most chance. He got a knockout the other night,

1137
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:15,880
go ahead.

1138
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,639
Speaker 2: I'm saying he's the best of the Vargas brothers. Is

1139
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,920
not the same as saying I'm high on him, all right, Anyway,

1140
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,199
I'm not down on him or anything like that, but

1141
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,440
I still need to see a lot more. But he's

1142
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,079
got the look. He looks like a movie star, and

1143
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,000
he's got a very appealing style in which he fights.

1144
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,400
He did pass a certain level of tests in this victory,

1145
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,280
a one sided victory in the fifth round of a

1146
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,360
knockout against Larry Fryar's so the thing that I liked

1147
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,559
about the card. Mungia Bazinia we thought would be a

1148
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,800
good fight. It was a good fight. The two prospects

1149
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,880
that were there, Torres and Vargas, at the very least,

1150
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,119
at least they were matched with their toughest opponents, and

1151
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:55,719
they did what they're supposed to do. Torres took out

1152
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,840
or got the DQ anyway against a Waco, and Vargas

1153
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,400
beat up on Larry Fryars, who was tough as nails

1154
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,039
uh and just was dominated. Uh. And Vargas has got,

1155
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,559
you know, a crowd pleasing style. Obviously comes from great

1156
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:12,679
blood lines with his father being Fernando Vargas. Remember also,

1157
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:16,360
Torres was pressed into the co feature because Andres Cortes,

1158
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,440
the one hundred and thirty pounds contender, was undefeated. His

1159
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,519
fight was was called off because he came up with

1160
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:24,079
some kind of illness or injury. His opponents stayed on

1161
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:26,599
the card and fought on the preliminaries in one but

1162
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:29,440
that was supposed to be the co feature. So anyway,

1163
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:33,480
but Vargas look similar to to uh to uh Torres,

1164
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,880
He's gonna stay busy. Top Rank likes him. He's now

1165
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,480
twelve and zero with ten knockouts. He's only twenty years old.

1166
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,039
You still want to see more in terms of his development.

1167
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:43,880
But the main thing is this, And again I don't

1168
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,760
mean to say I'm not high in them because I

1169
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,280
don't think he's going anywhere. I just need to see

1170
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:47,880
a little bit more.

1171
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,039
Speaker 1: You covered that. Yeah, you need to see more of him.

1172
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:51,199
You need to see more of him. But he was

1173
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,159
so far, so good.

1174
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: I mean, he's doing what he's supposed to do. I

1175
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,360
mean I heard a lot of people saying, well, you know,

1176
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,800
Amiliano Vargas for Prospect of the Year. Now, I don't

1177
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,639
know how other people make their picks for Prospect thee

1178
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,400
or what metric they use or what criteria they use.

1179
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,159
For me, when I pick up Prospect of the ear,

1180
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,679
I want to see a guy that's maybe on the

1181
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,000
verge of something special, a guy who I think, maybe

1182
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,440
compared to the other group of guys he's competing against

1183
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,480
for that accolade, someday long down the road, might even

1184
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,440
be a Hall of Famer. I can't put Vargas in

1185
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,039
that position just yet, because he has fought absolutely nobody

1186
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:25,639
right to be the Prospect of the Year.

1187
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: So what he's what twenty.

1188
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: He's twenty.

1189
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: There's plenty of time, got plenty of time to see

1190
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,039
what he has to see what.

1191
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:33,079
Speaker 2: You put him on a list of the top prospects,

1192
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:35,920
for sure, but to be number one, I think that's

1193
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,440
a reach.

1194
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: Settlement on that for whoever saying that Diego Pacheco's still

1195
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,119
out there as a prospect by the way and rising

1196
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:42,559
up to you.

1197
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,159
Speaker 2: Well, I just my prospect last year. Yeah, I think

1198
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:46,719
he's now a contender. I won't have him on the

1199
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,280
prospect list the end there. I think he's taking that

1200
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,039
next step. But maybe maybe I'm just uh, I'm bummed

1201
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,280
out because Vargas beat up on my boy Larry Friars,

1202
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,920
who calls Alby in New York his hometown now, which

1203
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,079
where I am from where I was born, even though

1204
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:03,199
Friars is from Ireland. He's my Albany guy.

1205
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some news and some nostalgic

1206
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,840
because we've been here a little bit. Okay, you talked

1207
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,760
about this on our bet Us Boxing show. One of

1208
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,639
the many reasons why you need to be there on

1209
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,800
the bet Us Boxing Show at one Eastern time on Friday,

1210
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,039
when somebody prompted you and asked you about Tank Davis

1211
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,639
and Lamont Roach, tell the public here on this pod,

1212
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:27,400
on this here recap pod why it makes sense for December,

1213
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,719
and why it makes sense in the Washington, DC area.

1214
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,679
If that's what's going to happen. We don't know. You're

1215
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,760
not reporting that it is for sure that it's going

1216
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,480
to happen, But it's possible, So tell them more.

1217
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: No, what what I've reported is it's the leading situation

1218
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,119
right now. Tank was originally looking, they were looking to

1219
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,519
make efforts to have him back. The first week November

1220
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:50,519
not happening for a variety of different reasons, and so

1221
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,400
the day then we're talking about other dates. I mean,

1222
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,239
there's always you just look at the calendar and pick

1223
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,000
out the saturdays. There was some conversation with PBC about December,

1224
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,480
or rather November twenty third, which is the Saturday before

1225
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,119
the Thanksgiving holiday, or December fourteenth, which I don't know

1226
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,840
if December twenty third is still a possibility, but certainly December.

1227
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:11,280
He wants to come back this year, so right now, PBC.

1228
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,599
And it's hard because you've got to match. First of all,

1229
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:15,480
you got to find an opponent. Then you got to

1230
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,119
match the date with the venue which you can get

1231
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:19,519
to the end of the year is tough because a

1232
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:21,079
lot of those buildings that they go in if you're

1233
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:24,599
not in Vegas, you're dealing with college basketball schedules, you're

1234
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,679
dealing with the NBA schedule, you're dealing with the NHS schedule,

1235
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,480
NHL schedule, not to mention whatever, which in.

1236
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: This case, that arena in DC has all three things

1237
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,159
while you're trying to find a date. If you're doing this,

1238
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:36,920
that's what your point was correct.

1239
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,559
Speaker 2: So what I am reporting is that the possibility that

1240
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,559
has emerged now it seems like the leading candidate anyway,

1241
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,559
December twenty first. Unfortunately, that's the same day as the

1242
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:49,480
Usik Fury rematch, which would be disappointing, but I understand

1243
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:52,280
from the PBC perspective because as big of a deal

1244
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,039
as Fury and Usik is in the United States, it's

1245
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:58,880
just not a big pay per view fight unfortunately, So

1246
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,840
it is what it is anyway, December twenty one, Capitol

1247
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,800
One Arena in Washington, d City. Again not done, just

1248
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,239
being heavily discussed, and the opponent would be the WBA's

1249
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,719
one hundred and thirty pound champion Lamont Roach and a

1250
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,599
lot of people when I put that on social media,

1251
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,480
wrote that in my sub stack in my notebook that

1252
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:18,320
came out on Friday. I guess people were ripping that

1253
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,519
a piece, ripping that apart. And I'm here to tell

1254
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:23,639
you that Tank Davis has his fan based on pay

1255
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:25,599
per view, and then if he can do two hundred

1256
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:28,320
thousand buys two hundred fifteen thousand buys the way he

1257
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,960
did against Hector Luis Garcia, an even more unknown opponent

1258
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,880
than Lamont Roach, who didn't speak English and couldn't help

1259
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:39,800
the promotion in terms of interviews and market himself to

1260
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,679
the vast majority of boxing gens in this country. Lamar

1261
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,679
Roach is the opposite because Lamar Roach can talk. Lamar

1262
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,480
Roach has been on National TV many many times, and

1263
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,679
most significantly when he fought Hector Luis Garci in that

1264
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,840
building back in January of twenty twenty three, a building

1265
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,079
that was packed to the rafters at that I was there.

1266
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:01,880
It's about a half an hour from my house. They

1267
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,960
did the biggest gate in the history of that building,

1268
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,159
which is about twenty five to thirty years old. Same

1269
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:09,719
building where Mike Tyson fought Kevin McBride, for example. They

1270
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,760
broke the all time gate record five million, one eighty

1271
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,719
five thousand dollars, broke the record set by a Rolling

1272
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,159
Stone concert. So when I tell you if he fights

1273
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:23,239
Lamont Roach, Tank being from Baltimore having a very big

1274
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,119
fan base in the DC area, and he's fighting Lamont Roach,

1275
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:29,239
who's from DC and absolutely has his own fan base.

1276
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,159
When he fought in a title defense's defense that took

1277
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:34,880
place about two months ago or so, he drew about

1278
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,360
four to five thousand people to a small arena for

1279
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,000
a fight. They didn't even get a lot of publicity

1280
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:44,360
that fight between Tank and Roach in DC. Will I

1281
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,079
believe break that gate record. We'll still do in the

1282
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:49,519
same sort of wheelhouse pay per view wise the Tank

1283
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:52,400
has been doing. They have some animosity between each other.

1284
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,519
They fought in the Amateurs. I know at least one

1285
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:57,519
time they fought in the Amateurs and Davis won the fight.

1286
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,519
I'm told they fought maybe a couple other times. Maybe

1287
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:02,800
Roach has one win over him also. But they'll talk

1288
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,239
a ton of shit and it is what it is.

1289
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,039
I mean, you know, people want to see Tanks stop

1290
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:10,599
up and fight some of the better names and bigger guys,

1291
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,559
But they're just not available at the moment, and we

1292
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,079
can go down the list and understand why they're not available.

1293
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,440
But if it's roach, so be it. I mean, in

1294
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,559
this in this region, in the Washington, d C, Baltimore,

1295
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:28,039
Northern Virginia region, that's a big fucking fight. And thank

1296
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:29,880
will still do his normal pay per view like he

1297
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:30,519
typically was.

1298
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:33,159
Speaker 1: The only question mark, and you have me here for

1299
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:37,000
this is that is a massive day in the football

1300
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:41,599
world because the college football Playoff is expanding and all

1301
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:45,480
four playoff games are on that day, Saturday, December twenty first,

1302
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,559
all through the evening and the night, and there's two

1303
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,320
NFL games, including Mahomes and the Chiefs, playing that night also,

1304
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:56,360
so that might detract from a pay per view. But

1305
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,920
I understand your point about Live Gates. Listen, i'ming fan,

1306
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:01,719
a boxing fans as well.

1307
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're always going to have your troubles with the schedule.

1308
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:06,400
I'm not saying it's ideal. I wouldn't want to do

1309
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,760
that if I was the one that was, you know,

1310
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,039
having to put up the money. But it's not the

1311
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,679
first time that there'll be a boxing event that's going

1312
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,000
to have to go up against a rough sports schedule.

1313
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,880
It won't be the last time, and you know the

1314
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,519
calendar running short. And again let's let's reiterate. This is

1315
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:23,199
not a done deal. This is right, you know. I

1316
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:25,119
think it's hilarious, like I'll write a story like this

1317
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:28,400
and I'm very specific with my language. And I see

1318
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,480
other websites take the material, some credit me, some don't, whatever,

1319
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,159
and they say, he's fighting.

1320
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,679
Speaker 1: You're reporting this is the date, and you're not reporting

1321
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:41,719
this reporting.

1322
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: The possibility exists very strongly that he'll fight this fighter

1323
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,519
on this date in this location, and other websites and

1324
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:51,880
outlets take it and make it he is fighting this opponent,

1325
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:53,760
he is fighting on this date and he is fighting

1326
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,760
in this location, when that's not what I wrote.

1327
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: But I did not write that. He did not say

1328
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,800
that on the podcast. Possible does not mean done, right, But.

1329
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,679
Speaker 2: It's something that within pbclan discussed being heavily discussed. And

1330
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:10,480
one thing about it is from the standpoint of making

1331
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,519
a deal with la Mott Roach. Lamont Roach is a

1332
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:15,800
promotional free agent, so there's no there's no barriers in

1333
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:16,360
terms of that.

1334
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just having fun with I'm just

1335
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:24,039
having fun with words. Possible, likely and very likely are

1336
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,880
all not done? Done? It is done? All right? Speaking

1337
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,280
of done, is it done for Boots and Bam? You

1338
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,960
talked about this on the preview pod going into the weekend,

1339
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,400
that Boots Ennis and Bam Rodriguez separate fights in the

1340
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,000
co feature for Philadelphia November ninth, look like it was

1341
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:45,840
going to happen. So now is it happening?

1342
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: Is it on?

1343
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,199
Speaker 1: Is that is that downe? Not very likely, not very possible.

1344
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,679
Does that look like it's done?

1345
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: It is done? So we taped that podcast on Thursday

1346
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:57,639
night and then on Friday afternoon or Friday evening, Matthriwman

1347
01:00:57,679 --> 01:00:59,360
now said it was a done deal. So that's the

1348
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,840
story you got. November ninth on his own, They're going

1349
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,159
back to the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia, which is

1350
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,559
where Boots Ennis had his first defense earlier this year

1351
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,079
against David Evanessi, and they drew a huge crowd. It

1352
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,239
was the biggest crowd for a Philadelphia boxing event since

1353
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,960
nineteen seventy eight at the Spectrum when Marvin Hagler pre champion.

1354
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,960
Hagler had a big win over Benny Briscoe. This is

1355
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,760
two years before Hagler won the Middleway title. That fight

1356
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:26,199
drew a huge attendance relative to what they've been drawing.

1357
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:30,320
In This fight between Boots and Avanessian drew fourteen thousand,

1358
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,639
one hundred and nineteen, So they're gonna go back to

1359
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,000
that same location. The problem is they have to do

1360
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:40,559
it against Karen Chikazi in the mandatory. So here's what happened,

1361
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,639
Mattroom Boxing. You lost the purse bit for that fight

1362
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:45,360
and you're like, okay, he's gonna wind up going to Germany.

1363
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,599
In the end, Matt Troom Boxing was able to go

1364
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:49,559
and deal with the promoter of Karen Chakazi and make

1365
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:52,280
a deal to basically buy the show or buy the fight,

1366
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,239
or make some kind of arrangement to make them hole

1367
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,559
and bring the fight to their location. So they're bringing

1368
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,320
that fight to Philadelphia. That'll be the main event. And

1369
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:04,760
as the main event. It's terrible, not because anything wrong

1370
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,360
with Mattrium's boxing, Batchroom Boxing's ability to promote an event,

1371
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,639
or the the interest level in a bootsennis, but the

1372
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:14,599
opponent stinks, and the opponent is the guy that Bootsen

1373
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:17,480
has already beat twelve to nothing last year, so there's

1374
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:20,280
no real reason to see that again. So what they've done.

1375
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,400
At least is they put their other top young American

1376
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,719
star on the same card. So Jesse Bamardriguez is in

1377
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,440
the co feature. He's going to defend his WBC Junior

1378
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,639
banham Way title, and they're matching him up with Pedro Givar,

1379
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:34,840
who's the interim title holder, who's a good fighter, also

1380
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:37,519
coming off in an exciting victory, who used to hold

1381
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:39,559
a full title back a few years ago when one

1382
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,360
hundred and eight pounds way class. So you know, they're

1383
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,360
they're trying to make what's the old saying TJ. They're

1384
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,960
trying to make chicken salad out a chicken shit by Matt.

1385
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,159
I mean, listen, it's almost like they're gonna the way

1386
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:53,880
they're going to advertise this, or at least they should

1387
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,760
if I was doing their marketing. He always want to

1388
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,239
make it like it's Boots fighting Bam because it's the

1389
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,360
Bam and the Boots show with the Boots and the

1390
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,079
Bam show, even tho they're fighting separate opponents, right, you know, see.

1391
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: Those bottom line is the fight is not in Germany

1392
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,079
on an obscure whatever outlet, or I mean, it's at

1393
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:12,519
least in the United States. For Ennis in his hometown

1394
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:15,880
and he has high motivation to destroy this guy this

1395
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,320
goal round. So we're going to be intrigued, and we're

1396
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,159
intrigued whenever we see Jesse Bam Rodriguez in the co feature.

1397
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:25,519
Speaker 2: So we're gonna Gonis go twelve rounds against Chickasian again. Chackasian,

1398
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,400
you know, fought very timidly in the first fight. He

1399
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,599
just would not engage him. It's going to be the

1400
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:33,320
onus is on Ennis to go after him and make

1401
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,000
it interesting.

1402
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: Plenty of time for that for that breakdown on that.

1403
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:39,679
And then there's one more piece of news before the nostalgia,

1404
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,239
and that's you're reporting on the expected here's that word

1405
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:47,519
expected undercard for this October nineteenth show in my part

1406
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:50,400
of the world in Orlando. I'm in West Central Florida

1407
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,760
and Tampa Bay. This is the the Bachrum fight with

1408
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,000
Tim Zou for the IBF Junior middleweight title that Bachram

1409
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:01,400
has uh and you are reporting here about the under card.

1410
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,679
Give me a little taste what he got.

1411
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:05,599
Speaker 2: So okay, So this is on October nineteenth, Prime Video.

1412
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,519
It's their first non pay per view event that PBC

1413
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:12,039
is going to do in their deal with with Prime Video.

1414
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:14,599
So that's right off the bat. That's good because Bakerman

1415
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:16,320
Zoo is just a regular main event, and you know,

1416
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,880
good main event, but the main event, and so the undercard. Look,

1417
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,480
these are not names I think are gonna be on

1418
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,920
the tip of boxing fans tongue that they know them

1419
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,960
very well. But I believe these are very solid matchups

1420
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,519
and should provide some entertainment. So one of my favorite

1421
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:33,239
prospects is the Ronnie Shields trained fighter named Joannis Tayas,

1422
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:36,880
who is a junior middleweight Cuban fighter now based in Stafford, Texas,

1423
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,760
which is where Ronnie has his gym. Really good looking

1424
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,199
young fighter eight and oh but really ready to step up.

1425
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,079
You know, Ronnie, who I have massive respect for. I

1426
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,679
know Ronnie Shield almost twenty five years. I think he's

1427
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,519
just a tremendous boxing mind, a great trainer. Really really

1428
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:55,360
high on Tajas. Anyway, they're matching him up in this fight.

1429
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,960
He'll be on the undercard. And keep in mind, by

1430
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,119
the way, it's gonna take place, as you mentioned, in Orlando, Florida,

1431
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:03,079
so it's gonna you know, there's obviously a lot of

1432
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,599
Cubans in the region, so maybe he'll draw some of

1433
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:09,679
those folks you know, to the fight, so he's gonna

1434
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,400
be on this card. And then you also have another

1435
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,000
undefeated fighter named Caesar Matteo tap He was seventeen and

1436
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:19,280
oho from Mexico, fights out of Australia. He is a middleweight.

1437
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,679
He's gonna take on the one lost injury Savedra. Now

1438
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,760
I think again, these are not and Sevedro, by the way,

1439
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,880
is a Mexico fighter, but he fights out of Venezuela,

1440
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,360
so you got a little bit of a lot of

1441
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,199
nationality's going on here anyway, And by the way, and

1442
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:35,920
Tez his opponent is a fighter named Johan Gonzalez who

1443
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,199
is very very experienced fighter. He's thirty five and three

1444
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:41,199
with thirty four knockouts. He's got a lot of power.

1445
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,159
He did lose in a fight not that long ago,

1446
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:48,119
two fights ago. He got stopped in the ninth round

1447
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:50,360
by Jesus Ramos, who was one of the top up

1448
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,880
and coming PBC fighters. So as undercard fights go, I'm

1449
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,599
sort of interested in this. These seem like again, I

1450
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:57,679
don't want to make this out like this is you know,

1451
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,400
a loaded read season card or anything like that. But

1452
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,480
for the non pay per view type of card with

1453
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:05,960
a very quality main event, Like you may get a

1454
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:07,599
chance to see some guys that you're gonna be seeing

1455
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,719
in for a while, especially Tayas, who I am very

1456
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,519
high on. I speak about my prospect list. He was

1457
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,960
on that prospect list at the end of twenty twenty three.

1458
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:17,760
Presumably if he wins this fight and looks good on

1459
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,199
October nineteenth, he'll still be on that prospect list come

1460
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,960
the end of twenty twenty four. So anyway, those are

1461
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,800
the two fights that they're looking to do in terms

1462
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,079
of the main card undercard bouts Tees against Gonzales and

1463
01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:32,440
Caesar Mateo Tappy who was seventeen and oh against Injury

1464
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:35,440
Saveger who was sixteen and one with thirteen knockouts. You know,

1465
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:39,480
they're kind of like showboxes kind of fights serving as

1466
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:41,480
the undercard for a very quality main event.

1467
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,039
Speaker 1: Good stuff, all right, nostalgia to wrap it up thirty

1468
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:48,679
years ago coming up on Tuesday, now, we go back

1469
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:53,360
to September twenty fourth, nineteen ninety four and Oliver McColl's

1470
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:58,840
shocking second round one punch ko of Lennox Lewis in

1471
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,320
a fight that had some controversy because it was stopped

1472
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,320
immediately after a one punch knockdown. He wins the WBC

1473
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:13,119
heavyweight title. Huge upset in that moment of Lewis. So man,

1474
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,960
oh man, that's thirty years ago, speaking of uh you

1475
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:22,280
heavyweights upsets? Yes, And in London, Oliver McCall jumped about

1476
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,960
four feet off the ground doing the splits in the

1477
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,960
air when that fight was stopped. Clearly, it's a massive

1478
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,679
thudding punch right on the face, right on the chin,

1479
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,559
in the nose, and Lewis is on unsteady legs. But

1480
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:36,599
the thing is the referee just waved the fight off

1481
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:39,400
and did not allow the champion, the reigning champion, the

1482
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:42,519
chance to recover from the knockdown and maybe stay in

1483
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,719
the fight. It was over. It was over that fast.

1484
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 2: So this fight took place at the Wembley Arena in London,

1485
01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:51,599
which if you're familiar with Wembley Stadium or in that area,

1486
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:53,840
and I've been fortunate enough to be there to cover fights,

1487
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:57,119
it's basically across the street from Wembley Stadium. After you

1488
01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:00,320
get out of that big, you know, stadium area and

1489
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,079
you're just back on the streets of London, it's right

1490
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,599
across the street and this is where that happened. Is

1491
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:07,840
a very famous venue. It's where Marvin Hagler defeated Alan

1492
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,679
Minter for the Middleway title. It's where during COVID Anthony

1493
01:08:11,719 --> 01:08:14,760
Joshua defeated Kubrah pool Ev. I mean it's hosted numerous

1494
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,520
fights over the years. Anyway, remember you got it. I

1495
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,239
always try when we do these little conversations about the nostalgia,

1496
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,720
we look back. It's kind of put in perspective where

1497
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,359
the guys were in their careers. Lennox is rolling along,

1498
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,319
he's absolutely wiped out. Razor Ruddick was retroactively awarded the

1499
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,640
WBC title that was ominated, but when Riddick both threw

1500
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,079
the belt in the can and refused to fight him,

1501
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:36,279
he was awarded of the WBC title. And he'd gone

1502
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,520
on to defeat like solid guys. He'd beat Tony Tucker

1503
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,800
in a mandatory. He had a huge fight in the

1504
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,840
UK against the big time British rival Frank Bruno, who

1505
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,000
he stopped in seven rounds, a big deal came to

1506
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:49,479
Atlantic City, beat the one loss Phil Jackson on HBO,

1507
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,479
and now he's going to to Wembley Arena to fight

1508
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,319
Oliver McCall, who if my memory serves, was a mandatory

1509
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:58,880
challenger at that time who was with Don King, and

1510
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,800
they put this fight on again HBO, and like you said,

1511
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,399
second round, Lennox maybe not in the best condition for

1512
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,840
that fight and just gets clipped on the chin by

1513
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,920
Oliver McCall. One thing about Oliver McCall, who you know,

1514
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,880
in the long run, was really kind of journeyman ish.

1515
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,600
But two things. He had good punching power and one

1516
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,439
of the best chins in the history of the world,

1517
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,760
I mean the iron type of chin. And he clipped

1518
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,079
him right on the chin and dropped him in the

1519
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,640
second round. Now you talk about how the referee stopped it,

1520
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,680
I actually didn't think it was that bad of a stoppage.

1521
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,680
I know a lot of people hate the stoppage. I

1522
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,439
know the HBO commentators back in the day Merchant and

1523
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,960
Jim Lampley went absolutely lunatic on the stoppage. Lennox's legs dipped,

1524
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,039
he barely could defend himself at that point. Like I

1525
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:42,840
didn't think it was like he was not all there.

1526
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,199
So I'm not saying I wouldn't like allow him to

1527
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:48,439
have the benefit of the doubt to go on, but

1528
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,760
I don't think it was like the worst stoppage I've

1529
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,840
ever seen. I've seen way worse. In the end. Oliver

1530
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,920
McCall at that point, you know, considered like a journeymanish

1531
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,680
type of opponent. You know, he had five losses going

1532
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,880
into that fight. He wins the title and it was

1533
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,399
a huge moment for him in his career.

1534
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,199
Speaker 1: So when you go back, when you go back and

1535
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:10,079
relive it too. And one reason why Lampley and Larry

1536
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:12,680
Merchant on the cal and I'm not even sure who

1537
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,800
the analyst was, if it was Big George Foreman or not.

1538
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,960
This is on the heels of a lot of the

1539
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,760
controversy with the Pernell Whittaker Chavez fight the year before.

1540
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:27,039
That was questionable, awful scorecards and it was a draw.

1541
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:33,079
And you hear Lampley even exclaim this WBC referee just

1542
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:37,840
stopped this this fight after one punch because there was

1543
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,680
but there was a lot of belief at that time

1544
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:46,199
that the WBC was corrupt and Don King was involved

1545
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,159
and paying them and paying them maybe even for outcomes

1546
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,359
and and things going the other way, and so that

1547
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,600
was what they explained as soon as the pot.

1548
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:57,199
Speaker 2: I've always felt that this was not the worst stoppage

1549
01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:58,880
I've ever saw. I didn't love it, but I didn't

1550
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,960
think it was I didn't it rose to the level

1551
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:02,079
that some made it out to.

1552
01:11:02,279 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: And for example, when Hassim Rockman years later landed his

1553
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,800
big punch that was a count out fud the double impact,

1554
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,680
the head hit on the matt for Lennox Lewis, he

1555
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,399
got counted out, no doubt. This was not a no

1556
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,359
doubter because Lewis was up on his feet and the

1557
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:18,760
referee waved it off.

1558
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,319
Speaker 2: But the legs were doing the shimmys, you know what

1559
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:25,279
I mean. Goes on after this fight, he beats Larry

1560
01:11:25,319 --> 01:11:27,479
Holmes in a title fight, and then he loses the

1561
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:28,720
title of Frank Bruno.

1562
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

1563
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,279
Speaker 2: And you know, goes on and has a couple of

1564
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:34,840
more like lower level type of fights, and eventually when

1565
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:39,159
Lewis uh, now you know it's it's to fight again.

1566
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,399
They get they're gonna do the rematch because the title

1567
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,640
I'd become vacant, the WBC title. Now they're the two

1568
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,000
top contenders, So Lennox is trying to go for the uh,

1569
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:49,119
for the revenge, so to speak. And that the second fight,

1570
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:51,319
which is the anniversary we're talking about is the first fight,

1571
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:54,119
but the second fight was memorable because unfortunately that's where

1572
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:56,680
Aldrocul had, you know, the mental breakdown in the ring

1573
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,279
and starts frying. That was one of the few times

1574
01:11:58,319 --> 01:11:58,800
he was up.

1575
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,399
Speaker 1: There and was confused and was refusing to fight, and

1576
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,720
mills Lane kept saying, let's wrong, just had night, let's go,

1577
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,920
and then they stopped the fight. Yeah, crazy, crazy, and

1578
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,319
that was a little nuts. What three years later ninety seven,

1579
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:13,600
right on the rematch.

1580
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 2: Correct, that's exactly right.

1581
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,520
Speaker 1: But this is what set all of that into motion

1582
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,560
was that night thirty years ago.

1583
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,279
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that's amazing by that. One of the

1584
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:22,359
great stats are stats, not stats, but like sort of

1585
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:27,399
like trivia if you will. When Oliver McCall knocked out

1586
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,479
knocked out Lennox Lewis. Oliver mcclass trainer that night was

1587
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,279
Emanuel Stewart. Emmanuel Stewart later became and was in the

1588
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:37,520
corner for Lenox in the rematch and became obviously very

1589
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,520
closely associated with Lenox through the rest of his career.

1590
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,479
So you know, he swapped corners basically between those two

1591
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:48,079
fightsp Nostalgion, but that was still that was just kind

1592
01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:49,439
of a crazy situation.

1593
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: No doubt.

1594
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:50,279
Speaker 2: All right.

1595
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:54,359
Speaker 1: Now move forward eleven years, same day, this coming Tuesday,

1596
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:56,960
September twenty four, two thousand and five, and that's Vladimir

1597
01:12:57,079 --> 01:13:01,960
Klitschko getting off the deck now once, not twice, but

1598
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:08,560
three times to win an IBF eliminator fight, heavyweight eliminator fight.

1599
01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:13,039
And you were ringside also because there was somebody else

1600
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,039
that was on this card, on this HBO card in

1601
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:19,279
Atlantic City of Notes. So get nostalgic with me about

1602
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,640
nineteen years ago, two thousand and five Tuesday.

1603
01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:24,119
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't there because of the other fighter on

1604
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:26,439
the card, that was Miguel Koto. What I was there

1605
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,920
for was a really outstanding HBO doubleheader that a lot

1606
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,359
of people were excited about. Now, remember in terms of

1607
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,720
Vladimir Klitchko, you know, he had lost some rough fights,

1608
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:40,239
he had been knocked out, and he had switched you know,

1609
01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:42,399
he had finally switched trainers and gone with him that

1610
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,520
we just mentioned Ammanngo Steward before he had gone with

1611
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,239
Emmanuel Stewart and they had lost their first fight together.

1612
01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:51,239
When he went with Emmanuel Stewart, he lost the fight

1613
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,159
to Laman Brewster in the vacant heavyweight title fight, which

1614
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:56,159
is a big, big shocker to a lot of people.

1615
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,239
But when that fight was over and done with, you know,

1616
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:01,920
he didn't get rid of Mangal. They stayed together. He won,

1617
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,760
you know, he did come back from that that very

1618
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,119
devastating loss. He won a couple of fights with Emmanuel.

1619
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:09,920
You want to fight against Devara Williamson, you want to

1620
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,880
fight against Alysio Castillo, a little bit lesser type opponents.

1621
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,680
And now he's in position to meet up with Samuel Peter,

1622
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,359
who was the massive, punching, big up and coming heavyweight.

1623
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,439
You know, just just you know, everybody thinks he's like

1624
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,039
the next big thing, and clinch Goo gets matched up

1625
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:28,760
with him. It's an IBF title eliminated. The winner is

1626
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,159
going to get a shot at the title. It's not

1627
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,680
a semi final eliminator. This is like for number one.

1628
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Next up is the mandatory and they fight this fight

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in the main event in Atlantic City at Boardwalk Hall.

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As you said, I was present, and this was one

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of those fights where where Clitchco dominated the fight, but

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he got knocked down three times. I know that sounds weird.

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We had that whole conversation about you know, how could

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you get a guy get dropped three times and still win. Well,

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the way that can happen is because after the fight

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is over, you're looking to see what happened is see

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clitch go. Sure he got dropped three times, but guess

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what he won every the other round of the fight

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in which he was not dropped. And that's just the

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reality that if you do the math, that's how it worked.

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So and the knockdowns weren't devastating knockedouts. So in the

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end the judges all had it the same one fourteen

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to one eleven. I thought a couple of those knockdowns

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were behind that head that were easily the type of

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punches where the ref could have ruled that I foul.

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In any event, he was landing these clubbing shots with

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what San Peter is known for. But in the end,

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that was a big fight for Klitchko because with so

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many questioning his ability to take a punch, b to

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have the stamina to go deep into the fight after

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what happened with Brewster. You know, the fights he had

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won post Brewster were not the top, top level San Peter.

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01:15:41,279 --> 01:15:43,439
Now this is a big test. He came through with

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flying colors despite the knockdowns. Even though the knockdowns happened,

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people praised him because he showed that he could keep

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himself under control, he could get through a rough moment

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with the great words of Emmanuel in the quarter and

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also his own inner will to do so. And you know,

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hand the Samuel Peter his first defeat. And after that

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fight was over, you know, this was not the world

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title fight. But here's the deal. He goes in that fight,

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he you know, he had you know, come through the

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fire if you will, by by getting up after those knockdowns.

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And after this fight he gets the shot at Chris

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Bird for the title. Several months later, he knocks Chris

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Bird out in the seventh round in two thousand and six,

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early part of six. And he goes on to dominate

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for ten years and make uh, you know what eighteen

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successful title defenses. I mean, but what the but the

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real start, I know, the rain started with the Bird fight.

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But in my mind, where he turned the corner and

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put all that other ship behind him, the questions about

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his stamina, the questions about his chin. This was the

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Samuel pet This was the defining fight. You know, stayed

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with the manual, took the tough loss against Bruser, got

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the two other wins on his belt, went in a

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fight where a lot of people thought Sam Peter is

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01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,439
gonna knock him the fuck out, and he not only

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got off the deck three times, clearly was the winner,

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not controversial, won every other round of the fight, wasn't

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even that close. And then went on to destroy Chris

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Bird in their first fight and go on for a

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long and successful title reign until he fought Tyson Fury

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you know, many years later, uh, and just kept on

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trucking out the undercard fight. This was a spectacular fucking fight.

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I mean, so the Sam Peter fight had a certain

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element of drama because of the things I mentioned about,

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you know, whether Klitchkok could keep himself together and and

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and you know get off the mat when he got dropped.

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But in terms of just for fewer action and just

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crazy shootout, wild shit going on, he got a young

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Miguel Coto in the co Feuture on HBO and it

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was as exhilarated and exciting as you could possibly imagine.

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Now he was a He was fighting Ricardo Torres from Columbia,

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who was a late replacement for what was supposed to

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be a mandatory fight. I believe that I off the

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top man. I just I'm not able to recall who

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can who who Miguel's original opponent was supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: It was like a decent you're allowed, You're allowed to

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pass on that. I'm giving you a pass on a

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Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: I usually that kind of crazy minutia.

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Speaker 1: Because I keep I keep mentioning the people frequently, You're

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not looking at anything while you're rattling this stuff off.

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People might think you're just staring down the computer and

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all these different notes. You're doing most of this off

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the time.

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Speaker 2: While I look up, I'll look up something like that.

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Speaker 1: Any But in any event, Coto and Torre has turned

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out to be a fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, so so Cooto is defending the WBO

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Junior welterweight title. Torres was the was the late replacement,

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and this is just a wild shootout. They're both down,

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they're both badly hurt. Coto walks through the fucking fire.

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You know, I remember Larry Merchant. I you know, I

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was at the fight, but I obviously will always come

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home after the fights and I would watch the broadcast

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because I would record them and by the way, this

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one was so early, this one I probably recorded on

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the VHS.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There was no DVRs back then or when, at least not

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that I had at that time. Uh, and DVDs were

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still kind of new in my life anyway. Uh. Larry

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basically dubbed Coda that night is like the you know,

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the the the young Puerto Rican Taro Gotti because of

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the way that he survived and made this a shootout,

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in the drama that he brought to the fight, but

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he ultimately got the knockout victory in round seven. Clear

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fight of the Year candidate, and it was just those

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are the days, man, non pay per view, live HBO,

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big crowd, Atlantic City, boardwalk hall, lots of media coverage,

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two interesting fights, big heavyweight, important fight for the eliminator

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with Klitchko and Samuel Peter in their first fight in

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the main event, turned out to be memorable for different reasons.

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And you have a broken fight in the undercart where

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you know, Codo's not fighting his original opponent, but it

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turns out to be absolutely spectacular. And by the way, Torres,

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who had badly hurt Miguel Coto and knocked him down

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,079
for the first time in his career that was in

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01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:43,399
his second round. But Torres had been dropped in the

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first round, got dropped in the fourth round, got dropped

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in the sixth round, and got dropped and stopped in

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the seventh round. I mean, this was just a wild, wild,

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01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,439
wild fucking fight. And by the way, just because Codo

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01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,920
only got knocked down the one time, he was badly

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01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,680
hurt multiple times in this fight in a bunch of

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different rounds, just as exciting as a guest. I mean,

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you put it together with the heavyweights, you know, it

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01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,000
was definitely nice to remember. I'm glad I was there.

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Speaker 1: Love it, Love your nostalgia, all right, man, Lots lots

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01:20:12,279 --> 01:20:14,960
on the recap that full read season card and the

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01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,479
Dubois win and then the ESPN Top Rank show, and

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01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,279
you got some news and some nostalgia out of this

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01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:24,159
as well. I think we're good here off of the

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weekend and we're almost done with September as we rock

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01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:30,560
along here as well. Anything else or are we good

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01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,479
here off of Sunday and a new week coming out?

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01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:34,520
Speaker 2: I think that we are good.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. There you go, by the way,

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01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,720
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