Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Easy Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, we have not talked about the base off between
Speaker 2: Harvard University and the White House, and we're going to
Speaker 2: spend the last hour tonight talking about that. And I'd
Speaker 2: love to know who you think is right, who you
Speaker 2: think is wrong. The Trump administration has basically sent a
Speaker 2: letter to Harvard University, to the president of Harvard University,
Speaker 2: basically making it looks to me like eight specific demands
Speaker 2: that deal with similar subjects that overlap a little bit.
Speaker 2: So let me let me first of all read to
Speaker 2: the White House demands so that you can absorb them
Speaker 2: and digest them. And then Harvard is basically saying we
Speaker 2: are not going to cooperate. Now, Columbia University has cooperated
Speaker 2: with some of these demands. They were looking at a
Speaker 2: four hundred billion dollar amount of money that the administration
Speaker 2: was going to withhold Columbia, which was really the i
Speaker 2: think ground zero of some of the protests and the
Speaker 2: intensity of some of the programs. They faced a loss
Speaker 2: of four hundred million in federal funding. Actually agreed in
Speaker 2: March to major concessions. This according to an article out
Speaker 2: of the usas a Today yes, I believe it is
Speaker 2: by Elizabeth Bugh Miller reporting from Washington, in which they
Speaker 2: installed new oversight of its Middle Eastern, South Asian and
Speaker 2: African Studies department. Now, that was a problem area for Columbia,
Speaker 2: and I think Columbia was very smart to capitulate on
Speaker 2: that and to agree. I believe that was the one
Speaker 2: of those departments produced the professor who was on camera
Speaker 2: saying that he was exhilarated by what happened in Israel
Speaker 2: on October seventh of twenty twenty three. The Harvard situation
Speaker 2: is a little different. There is, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: there's a conservative presence on Harvard University. It's not to
Speaker 2: the extent that the Trump administration wants, that is for sure.
Speaker 2: And Harvard's acceptance standards were called into question by US
Speaker 2: Supreme Court decision a couple of years ago, which has
Speaker 2: changed the makeup of the freshman class, the incoming freshman
Speaker 2: class at Harvard, not only the one that is the
Speaker 2: freshman class now, but the one that will be assembled
Speaker 2: later this spring. But according to again, this is a
Speaker 2: reporter out an article written today, USA today. We see
Speaker 2: the USA today. I'm not sure. I think the other
Speaker 2: mighty might have been an ap story. I'm sorry for
Speaker 2: that confusion. But here are the demands that the Trump
Speaker 2: administrations made to Harvard. One, change the governance of the
Speaker 2: leadership to reduce the power of students, faculty, and administrators
Speaker 2: quote more committed to activism than scholarship unquote. That's pretty vague.
Speaker 2: That's I mean, you could accede to that, but it's
Speaker 2: pretty vague. How you comply with it? End quote. This
Speaker 2: is more specific all preferences based on race, color, religion, sects,
Speaker 2: and national origin unquote in Harvard's hiring and review existing
Speaker 2: faculty for plagiarism. Also to end similar preferences in its
Speaker 2: administration is admissions process. That's more specific. Three, change admissions
Speaker 2: processes quote to prevent admitting students hostile to the American
Speaker 2: value use and institutions inscribed in the US Constitution and
Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence unquote. Fairly vague, a difficult standard to
Speaker 2: comply with, frankly. Four, bring in an external party approved
Speaker 2: by the federal government to audit groups within the school
Speaker 2: for diverse ideological viewpoints. Well, there wouldn't be diverse ideological
Speaker 2: viewpoints within a specific group, but I think it is
Speaker 2: better to say, you know, make sure that there are
Speaker 2: diverse ideological viewpoints available. Clearly there's no diverse ideological viewpoint
Speaker 2: within a math with a math department, or even well
Speaker 2: certainly within a math department. Two and two or are
Speaker 2: always going to be four no matter what your politics are.
Speaker 2: Bring an external party approved by the federal government again
Speaker 2: to audit the groups within the school for diverse ideological viewpoints.
Speaker 2: That's not worded and that's not quoted, that could be incorrect.
Speaker 2: Bring in an external party improved by the federal government
Speaker 2: audit programs, quote, programs and departments that most fuel anti
Speaker 2: Semitic harassment or reflect ideological capture. I don't even know
Speaker 2: what ideological capture means. So that's a fairly broad and
Speaker 2: somewhat vague demand. Six pretty specific stop all DEI programs
Speaker 2: within the school. Seven updated students discipline policies where they
Speaker 2: are quote insufficient to prevent the disruption of scholarship, classroom learning,
Speaker 2: and teaching, or other aspects of normal campus life unquote.
Speaker 2: This demand also includes a mask man and that is
Speaker 2: the one demand that I think Harvard could easily comply with,
Speaker 2: should they want to comply. Eighth, create a process for
Speaker 2: any Harvard affiliate, and that would mean a student or
Speaker 2: a professor who could report noncomp alliance to university leadership
Speaker 2: and the federal government. In response, Harvard President Alan Garber
Speaker 2: said the demands overstep the power of the federal government. Quote,
Speaker 2: the university will not surrender its independence or relinquish its
Speaker 2: constitutional rights. Stephen Pinker, who is a professor's conservative at
Speaker 2: Harvard and has been on this show. He's a prominent
Speaker 2: Harvard psychologist who is also president of the Council and
Speaker 2: Academic Freedom at Harvard. He's been fighting for academic freedom
Speaker 2: set on Monday, it was truly Orwellian in self, contradictory
Speaker 2: to the government force viewpoint diversity of the university. He said,
Speaker 2: it would also lead to absurdities. Will this government force
Speaker 2: the economics department to hire Marxists or the psychology departments
Speaker 2: to hire Jungians, or for that matter, for the medical
Speaker 2: school to hire homeopaths of Native American healers? Good questions, anyway,
Speaker 2: That's where we are. So the question is, well, it's
Speaker 2: a serious questions. Do you think Harvard will comply. I
Speaker 2: think they're not going to comply. I think it will
Speaker 2: end up in court there's also the case with the
Speaker 2: state of Maine now where the Trump administration is going
Speaker 2: after Maine on the Title nine issue. I think the
Speaker 2: grounds there on Title nine are better. The Governor of Maine,
Speaker 2: Janet Mills, is saying this only affects like two students
Speaker 2: in Maine. I'm not so sure that's accurate. But this
Speaker 2: is again similar issue. This is Pam Bondi talking about
Speaker 2: suing the State of Maine for lack of compliance with
Speaker 2: Title nine. That's the transgender issue, where transgender athletes can
Speaker 2: compete against female athletes. Cut number thirteen. Please, that's the
Speaker 2: shorter version of cut thirteen. Please, Dan.
Speaker 3: Today the Department of Justice is announcing a civil lawsuit
Speaker 3: against the main Department of Education. The state of Maine
Speaker 3: is discriminating against women by failing to protect women in
Speaker 3: women's sports. Pretty basic stuff. This is a violation of
Speaker 3: Title nine. The Department of Justice will not sit by
Speaker 3: when women are discriminated against in sports. This is about sports.
Speaker 3: This is also about these young women's personal safety.
Speaker 2: My last comment before we go to phone calls, and
Speaker 2: we will go to phone calls right after the break
Speaker 2: at six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty or six
Speaker 2: one seven, nine, three, one, ten, thirty. Is it to me?
Speaker 2: Is amazing how many fights the Trump administration. We have
Speaker 2: not even hit the hundred daymarkyt I think the one
Speaker 2: hundred daymark yea February twenty eighth, fifty nine. With March,
Speaker 2: we're now at sixteen, so that we're getting up there
Speaker 2: around what seventy five and then you add another ten days,
Speaker 2: we are still two weeks away from one hundred day mark.
Speaker 2: This administration has opened up philosophical firefights on a number
Speaker 2: of fronts. I don't even know how they're able to
Speaker 2: keep up with the lawsuits that are going back and forth.
Speaker 2: I think the administration would be smarter to pick the
Speaker 2: fights that they are more confident of winning early and
Speaker 2: establish that trend, as opposed to picking as many fights
Speaker 2: as they possibly can within the first hundred days. We'll
Speaker 2: go to phone calls, Bob and California will start us off.
Speaker 2: On the other side. I know Bob will be loaded
Speaker 2: for Bear. I hope you are as well. Are you
Speaker 2: with Harvard or are you with Donald Trump? Late today,
Speaker 2: President Trump said that he and I'm not sure he
Speaker 2: has the ability to do this, might try to pull
Speaker 2: away from them their ability to be exempt their charitable exemption,
Speaker 2: as schools and hospitals are they have exemptions. I don't
Speaker 2: see how. I don't even see how Congress could pass
Speaker 2: what would be called the Bill of attain UH to
Speaker 2: make Harvard exempt from their their their status as a
Speaker 2: as a public institution that is non taxable. They're they're
Speaker 2: not they're non taxable exemption or their tax exemption, however
Speaker 2: you want to describe it better yet, their tax exemption
Speaker 2: six six seven. Who do you who do you think
Speaker 2: is right? And who do you think who are you
Speaker 2: rooting for? You may have some very serious doubts the
Speaker 2: breath of this. Trump approaches these as an art of
Speaker 2: the deal conversation, not as a a an action that
Speaker 2: is legally bulletproof. I think that is the difference that
Speaker 2: I'd like to focus on as well. Back on nights
Speaker 2: on after this.
Speaker 1: It's Night's Eye with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Sir Donald Trump, President, Donald Trump versus Harvard University? Who
Speaker 2: are you rooting for? And why you have the number?
Speaker 2: Six one seven two thirty, six one seven, nine thirty.
Speaker 2: This is WBC and Boston. We're heard over half the country. Uh,
Speaker 2: this is the quote of public opinion. Your voice matters.
Speaker 2: Bob in California. Bob, thanks for getting us going this hour.
Speaker 4: How are you good?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 5: Thank you, Dan?
Speaker 6: How are you doing good.
Speaker 2: It's been a busy night, been a very busy night here.
Speaker 2: I'm happy about that. This is this is a battle
Speaker 2: of the Titans.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I'm gonna make free comments. First of all,
Speaker 6: who is Harvard or any organization who are they to
Speaker 6: like push back on what the government is asking when
Speaker 6: they're being gifted with taxpayer money. We're giving them free
Speaker 6: taxpayer money, okay. And to the people listening, Joe taxpayer
Speaker 6: listening now, who works forty fifty hours a week, right, okay,
Speaker 6: they're taking money out of his wallet or her wallet,
Speaker 6: literally taking money out of their wallet and giving it
Speaker 6: to Harvard and these other tax free organizations. Now, and
Speaker 6: I want to keep this brace. I know I'm going on,
Speaker 6: but the fact.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you're fine. And by the way, let
Speaker 2: me just tell you that. And you're aware of this,
Speaker 2: but I want to make sure the audience is aware.
Speaker 2: Harvard probably has the largest endowment of any university, if
Speaker 2: not in America the world. They have an endowment that's
Speaker 2: estimated at fifty three billion dollars.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, And my point is my big point,
Speaker 6: And I'm really to your point. Where American taxpayers already
Speaker 6: subsidize these tax free organizations, these colleges, churches. We subsidize
Speaker 6: them because they pay no taxes. Now on top of that,
Speaker 6: we're supposed to give them billions of dollars. Are you
Speaker 6: kidding me? Taxpayer money? Right? I heard you say before
Speaker 6: the break, President Trump. I think he's onto something. I
Speaker 6: think it's time to revoke completely to five zero two
Speaker 6: c tax exempt kill that. Just eliminate that in Congress
Speaker 6: so it does not exist anymore. When you have churches
Speaker 6: during COVID, right, you had thousands of churches, Catholic churches
Speaker 6: and other churches take billions of taxpayer dollars during COVID.
Speaker 6: What are they doing? Why are they entitled to that?
Speaker 6: They don't pay any taxes? Harvard nine billion dollars of
Speaker 6: taxpayer money, and they.
Speaker 2: Are a part of that. Bob, Just in fairness here,
Speaker 2: just to make sure we're on the same page and
Speaker 2: you're accurate, about two point two billion and another six
Speaker 2: hundred million in grants go directly to Harvard. The ballance
Speaker 2: of the nine billion. A lot of it goes to
Speaker 2: hospitals that are affiliated with Harvard for minute medical research
Speaker 2: and all of that.
Speaker 6: So I mean for research, you know what, Yes, shot,
Speaker 6: they did medical research. I get it, and I'm sorry
Speaker 6: I've worked up. But people still pay thousands of dollars
Speaker 6: for vaccinations and pharmaceuticals and all that. The only one's
Speaker 6: benefiting by those tax dollars to the Harvard Hospitals, of
Speaker 6: the stockholders of the pharmaceutical companies and those hospitals. I'm
Speaker 6: going to say it again, and I hope other people agree.
Speaker 6: It's time to strike down the five h the tax
Speaker 6: state status eliminated.
Speaker 2: So I understand your point. Let me let me just
Speaker 2: share with you because I want you understand this and
Speaker 2: you know it and you're well informed, and I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to contradict you. I'm trying to ineffect of really
Speaker 2: flesh out what you're saying. According to this article that
Speaker 2: I've vetted is accurate, the two point two billion in
Speaker 2: multi year grants are to the universe, along with another
Speaker 2: sixty million dollar contract. So that's about However, you would
Speaker 2: you know two point two billion, and so add sixty million,
Speaker 2: so it's two point two six billion. That's a fraction
Speaker 2: of the nine billion in federal funding that Harvard received.
Speaker 2: Seven billion goes to the university's eleven affiliated hospitals in
Speaker 2: Boston and Cambridge, including Mass General, Boston Children's, Dana Farvard Institute.
Speaker 2: The remaining two billion goes to research grants directly for Harvard,
Speaker 2: including for space exploration, diabetes, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, and tuberculosis.
Speaker 2: So it's not as if Harvard is putting the money
Speaker 2: in their pocket directly, but that money is flowing through
Speaker 2: Harvard to these medical institutions that are affiliated with Harvard
Speaker 2: for what we would hope are noble goals, and that
Speaker 2: is the elimination of you know, things like diabetes, cancer,
Speaker 2: at Alzheimer's disease, and tuberculosis. That's all just keeping it
Speaker 2: in perspective. But I think you represent the point of
Speaker 2: view of most people who are saying, why does it
Speaker 2: Why does a school with fifty three billion dollar endowment
Speaker 2: get extra money?
Speaker 6: It's absurd, It's absolutely absurd. And again I hope people
Speaker 6: listen and call up. They need to pressure Congress right
Speaker 6: revote finalgency for all organizations that haven't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't think that they. I don't think
Speaker 2: that Congress will revoke you know, the because every every
Speaker 2: member of Congress represents, you know, in some form of fashion,
Speaker 2: a college here or college there, maybe in a big
Speaker 2: college there, some hospitals, some churches, those those that's the acreage,
Speaker 2: if you will, that really is non taxable. Where you're
Speaker 2: you know, quarter acre home or the apartment building which
Speaker 2: you live does pay taxes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Thanks again, Harvand I can't
Speaker 6: believe the goal that they have to actually make demands,
Speaker 6: right to make demands when I get it, they're being
Speaker 6: gifted all this money. It's ridiculous. Anyway, Thank you, Dan,
Speaker 6: a lot of other people.
Speaker 2: Thanks Bobby. I ap appreciate your call. Yeah, I love
Speaker 2: the passion of your call. You know that. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. Bob's we're going to call a listener, I
Speaker 2: should say out in California. Let me go to Jeff
Speaker 2: in wal Dame, Jeff, you were next on Nightsige.
Speaker 4: Go right ahead, well, bed Eve think Dan, my view
Speaker 4: is this now we're learning my views on Trump's uh
Speaker 4: stances toward other issues. I agree with him on this,
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you why because in so far as
Speaker 4: Harvard University more than other universities, more than most ever university,
Speaker 4: uh accommodates particular ideologies at the expense of others in
Speaker 4: terms of expressions thereof and free speech about them. Uh.
Speaker 4: If you are not going to allow, okay, all ideologies
Speaker 4: or points of view to be equally acceptable in terms
Speaker 4: of their expression on campus, then you should not be
Speaker 4: endorsing such an institution. You should not be funding it.
Speaker 4: In other words, it may be fine too to be
Speaker 4: to accommodate it and accept the expression of all ideologies.
Speaker 4: But we have an almost a welling in situation here
Speaker 4: where uh, you know, all ideologies might be created equal,
Speaker 4: but some ideologies are more equal than others.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no, I do, I do understand that. But
Speaker 2: but let me let me cite ironic clad in last
Speaker 2: Sunday's Boston Globe. The front page cover of the Globe
Speaker 2: magazine was an article written by Adelaide Parker. She's a
Speaker 2: junior at Harvard, She's been on My show, she's a
Speaker 2: Globe correspondent. And the article is the return of the
Speaker 2: college Conservative. It's never been a better time to be
Speaker 2: a Republican on this campus. Young conservatives are back on campus.
Speaker 2: And they won't let you forget it. And the point
Speaker 2: was that I'm just going to reach the first paragraph. Okay,
Speaker 2: first two paragraphs, bear with me for second. It was
Speaker 2: the night of the twenty twenty four election, and the
Speaker 2: crowd at the Cambridge Queen's Head Pub in Harvard's Memorial
Speaker 2: Hall was buzzing with energy. People crowded around tables and
Speaker 2: against the Polish bar watching votes roll in on a
Speaker 2: projector screen. Some more tailored suits and as others were
Speaker 2: in flowy dresses. Most just wore sweatpants. Empty cans and
Speaker 2: plates pile with pizza crusts were strewn across the tables,
Speaker 2: and a mammoth Crimson flag hung from the ceiling. It
Speaker 2: was adorned with a photo of Donald Trump raising his
Speaker 2: fist in triumph after last year's last July's assassination attempt,
Speaker 2: along with the mantra Fight Fight Fight. It's ironic, according
Speaker 2: to Adelaide's Parker's piece, and we will have her on
Speaker 2: I hope in the next few nights. She's saying that
Speaker 2: there is a resurgence of either Republican or conservative viewpoint
Speaker 2: amongst the faculty and well even more so amongst the
Speaker 2: student body. At Harvard. So maybe it doesn't have to
Speaker 2: happen through government, can coercion, Maybe it can. It will
Speaker 2: happen spontaneously.
Speaker 4: Yes, And what you said actually is hardening to me.
Speaker 2: Well, you can read, Jeff, I know you're a reader.
Speaker 2: Read this article. It was last Sunday's Globe cover page.
Speaker 2: And you could just google it. Just you know, You're
Speaker 2: just google Adelaide Parker. Anyone can do that.
Speaker 4: I would appreciate the suggestion, but I just want to
Speaker 4: say one thing. Sure, I think it. I think it
Speaker 4: is unethical, uh and unprincipled. It's not blatantly immoral uh
Speaker 4: to use taxpayers' money to in effect, uh favor some
Speaker 4: ideologies and not others in a quite arbitrary fashion. That's
Speaker 4: why I'm with mister trump one.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, it's very much, thank you, very much, j
Speaker 2: appreciate your call. It's been going on for a while. Uh.
Speaker 2: Colleges have often attracted people, you know. I think businesses
Speaker 2: tend to attract people who, for the most part, as
Speaker 2: a general rule, and obviously many excepts, tend to be
Speaker 2: a little bit more conservative than people who are going
Speaker 2: and spending their times thinking great thoughts. At Harvard and elsewhere. Look,
Speaker 2: I've seen statistics when professors are asked at some of
Speaker 2: the big schools, not just Harvard, any of the Ivy
Speaker 2: League schools. University of Michigan, by the way, tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: since I mentioned the University of Michigan, we will be
Speaker 2: joined by doctor Marshall Rungi, he's the dean of the
Speaker 2: medical school at the University of Michigan. Will be joined
Speaker 2: by him tomorrow night at ten o'clock and we're going
Speaker 2: to be talking I interviewed him briefly last week. We're
Speaker 2: going to be talking about the physician shortage in this country.
Speaker 2: Now he's the dean of a very significant medical school,
Speaker 2: University of Michigan, in the Midwest. There is a shortage
Speaker 2: of PCP you know, primary care physicians, personal doctors, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call them, everywhere everywhere. Why is that.
Speaker 2: We're going to drill down on why it is and
Speaker 2: what needs to be done to change it around. In
Speaker 2: the meantime, we'll continue to talk about this. Look, there
Speaker 2: are a lot of liberal professors, and again liberal professor
Speaker 2: in mathematics, there's no such thing as liberal math or
Speaker 2: conservative math. But in sociology and history, in politics, in government,
Speaker 2: in media. It's there's a bias. I don't know that
Speaker 2: the Trump administration is doing the right thing to attack
Speaker 2: this and approach this in what I would call a
Speaker 2: hymn fisted attitude. And I think probably Professor Steve Pinker,
Speaker 2: who is a conservative at Harvard, would agree with me.
Speaker 2: I actually called him the other day, didn't get a
Speaker 2: call back, like to get him on the show and
Speaker 2: talk about this. And I suspect my friend Harvey Silverglade
Speaker 2: would also be a little concerned about this, and maybe
Speaker 2: some of you are so far both callers is that
Speaker 2: are cheering on the president here. I think the president
Speaker 2: is arguing this in the court of public opinion. He
Speaker 2: may I think he has more solid ground legally the
Speaker 2: Title nine argument in Maine. I think that's a much
Speaker 2: more solid position to take legally. I've gone too long,
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Here comes the news back right after
Speaker 2: the news here on Nightside. It's been a great night
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Speaker 2: go to Linda in Saugust. Linda, thanks for calling in.
Speaker 2: How are you tonight, Linda?
Speaker 7: Oh? I am pretty good? Thank you. Yes, No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: I'm for the university, so I'm not just for Harvard
Speaker 7: Brown and all the great college you don't have.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be sorry. There's no apology, no
Speaker 2: apology necessary. I appreciate your part.
Speaker 7: I've listened to you years ago, and I just got
Speaker 7: to listen to Trump selection. I used to think of
Speaker 7: you as being more moderate. You're tend to be a
Speaker 7: very conservative conservative Trump person. I was. I am even
Speaker 7: conservative and became a moderate because I listened done more
Speaker 7: into both sides of everything. And I just feel your
Speaker 7: program is getting too to one sided, too conservative, and
Speaker 7: by the people that call you don't get too many
Speaker 7: people like me that have a different opinion.
Speaker 2: So well, let me, Linda, I can't think of any show.
Speaker 2: I am a conservative, you know that.
Speaker 7: But please please have gotten more in in the middle.
Speaker 7: I don't know, nobody ever knows issue. Let me just
Speaker 7: balance so I don't know. That's why and I and
Speaker 7: I could I.
Speaker 2: Just make one quick point for your maybe not go ahead,
Speaker 2: go ahead? Doesn't want a conversation, go ahea.
Speaker 7: I have friends that are both sides, and you know,
Speaker 7: people have been hoping for all these big things he's
Speaker 7: going to do. He's going too fast, too crazy with
Speaker 7: Elon Musk and all the things he's doing. And he's
Speaker 7: talking about a fourth you know, a third term. He
Speaker 7: wants to have his you know, picture on the currency.
Speaker 7: He's he's dangerous and it's just got it. And you know,
Speaker 7: if we let him get too far, too fast, we're
Speaker 7: all going to be very sorry in the long run.
Speaker 7: And that's what that's He scares me, and I know
Speaker 7: a lot of people feel that way, that is scared
Speaker 7: by him. And just with him going after Harvard that
Speaker 7: does a lot of good things, you know, with all
Speaker 7: the medical stuff, with all the hospitals. But don't just
Speaker 7: Hobbard Brown and all the others at Stanford. He's going
Speaker 7: after all of them. Why is he doing this.
Speaker 2: Linday, You've taken a breath. So I'm just going to
Speaker 2: make a quick comment, if you don't mind, go ahead,
Speaker 2: and that is I don't think you've lived. I'm a conservative,
Speaker 2: but no one has ever, in all seriousness listen to
Speaker 2: my program and thought that I'm sort of a Trump supporter.
Speaker 2: I believe that some of the positions he's taken are needed.
Speaker 2: I think our border needed to be closed. I think
Speaker 2: that people who are in this country and are committing
Speaker 2: criminal actions against Americans need to be deported. Okay. I
Speaker 2: have been critical of the pace of what he's done,
Speaker 2: the number of causes that he has taken on, and
Speaker 2: if you listen to me tonight, implicit in my comments
Speaker 2: was that I think he may be overreaching in his
Speaker 2: efforts to to criticize and change Harvard's philosophy. I quoted
Speaker 2: Stephen Pinker, who is a conservative on college at Harvard,
Speaker 2: who was saying exactly that. So you know, you can
Speaker 2: think of me any way you want. Your point of
Speaker 2: view is always welcome here on any night, on any issue,
Speaker 2: and find another talk show in America. Where you will
Speaker 2: have as many different points of view as nightside. I
Speaker 2: don't think you'll find one.
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to compare you with somebody any other
Speaker 7: talk show, because I don't listen. I never listened to
Speaker 7: any other talk show, so I can't compare you with anybody.
Speaker 7: And it doesn't really matter. It's more what we're talking
Speaker 7: about is this show, and it just is scary, and
Speaker 7: I think people need to be a little bit more
Speaker 7: focused on what is happening. You know, I have friends
Speaker 7: that are Jewish or whatever, and I wish the Jewish
Speaker 7: community would stand up. I mean, the student a right.
Speaker 7: I believe in the students having rights to give their opinion,
Speaker 7: whether you agree with them or not.
Speaker 2: They have Linda, Linda, they have the right. Students have
Speaker 2: the right to their opinion. They do not have to
Speaker 2: They do not have the right to prevent other students
Speaker 2: from going to class. They do not have the right
Speaker 2: to insult students who happen to be Jewish. What has
Speaker 2: gone on in college campuses towards Jewish students in the
Speaker 2: wake of October seventh has been abysmo abismo. So that's
Speaker 2: one that you and I might disagree on.
Speaker 7: So well, I saw when I saw there really demonstrating
Speaker 7: wasn't to do with because of being against Jewish people.
Speaker 7: It's the fact of what was going on in Gaza,
Speaker 7: about thousands such when.
Speaker 2: They when they chant, when they chant from the river
Speaker 2: to the sea, do you know what that means? Well,
Speaker 2: you have no idea. What that means is get rid
Speaker 2: of Israel from the river to the sea, from the
Speaker 2: Jordan river to the sea. Linda, we've gone about eight
Speaker 2: minutes here, and actually we've gone a little We've gone
Speaker 2: about seven minutes. Do me a favor, continue to listen
Speaker 2: this program. Call more often. I need your voice. I
Speaker 2: want to have a balanced audience.
Speaker 7: And I mean yes, I said I have Jewish friends.
Speaker 7: Has nothing to do with being cherished Jewish children killed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well there were a lot of children and
Speaker 2: a lot of infants who were killed on October seventh, Linda.
Speaker 2: And if that attack had never occurred, guys who would
Speaker 2: not have been bombed. But we'll leave that. Let's leave
Speaker 2: that for our next conversation.
Speaker 4: Fair enough, okay.
Speaker 7: And it's still going.
Speaker 2: At them and they will and they should. Thanks Linda,
Speaker 2: to talk to you soon. We'll take a break. We'll
Speaker 2: be right back. I'm going to try to get everybody in.
Speaker 2: Went along with Linda, because I want to make the
Speaker 2: point that all points of view are welcome here. Doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that I'm not going to engage you in a conversation,
Speaker 2: but you're welcome. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: It's Nice Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Very rarely do I check my messages during the show,
Speaker 2: but Jim writes, oh my god, your show more points
Speaker 2: of view than any show I've listened to. Apparently Linda
Speaker 2: doesn't listen too often. I hope Linda listens more often,
Speaker 2: and I hope she calls more often. We got four calls.
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to get everybody in, so everybody's
Speaker 2: going to get a little short changed. I apologize for that.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Matt in Pembroke. Matthew and Pembroke, Matth
Speaker 2: go right ahead, sir.
Speaker 8: Hey Dan, I'll make it quick. Every time I'm in
Speaker 8: the car, and it's just the more I listen, the
Speaker 8: more it just gets me going. I work hard, I
Speaker 8: do a lot of overtime. I do really well for myself,
Speaker 8: but I pay a lot of taxes I've hid thirty
Speaker 8: thousand dollars in pedrol taxes. They have the gall to
Speaker 8: ask for money be given two billion dollars when they
Speaker 8: have a war chest. They sound more like a financial institution.
Speaker 8: I think these people that are up at the top
Speaker 8: of the should take a hat, pooping it and pull
Speaker 8: it down over their freaking heads because they don't deserve
Speaker 8: They're a financial institution. They're not a university.
Speaker 2: Uh Jim, we let that one in very descriptive.
Speaker 8: All right, so I won't hold you much longer, Dan, Dan,
Speaker 8: you do a great job. You're very diverse with your callers,
Speaker 8: and you do a great job.
Speaker 4: Keep it up.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt, thanks so much. I want you to
Speaker 2: call more off and I enjoyed the call. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Let's go to Walter and Debt.
Speaker 1: HM.
Speaker 2: Hi, Walter, how are you?
Speaker 6: Hi?
Speaker 5: How you doing this? I'm calling what Donald Trump wants
Speaker 5: to do because they're getting out of control with the
Speaker 5: university's taxi SENSI. Now the people are coming out of
Speaker 5: the radicalized. They're supposed to they're not supposed to be
Speaker 5: doing that. So if they come out, what they should
Speaker 5: do is take a tax exemption from the universities, no
Speaker 5: matter which one it is. I mean, they have reason
Speaker 5: for going to school, and it's not just to go
Speaker 5: out come out radicalized. I'm sorry, that's the way I feel.
Speaker 2: Well, that's okay. I think again. I think that that
Speaker 2: that some people go into into college and they go
Speaker 2: into the into it with the attitude I'm gonna listen
Speaker 2: to what the teacher said. I'm not talking about in math,
Speaker 2: there's there's only rights and wrong answers in in math,
Speaker 2: for example, you know, if you put two two on
Speaker 2: the board to a two plus two, it has to
Speaker 2: be four. But when you're in a sociology class, you're
Speaker 2: in a psychology class, you're in a polypsyd class, you're
Speaker 2: in all of those so called you know, soft humanities
Speaker 2: or whatever points of view come in and whether you
Speaker 2: support this point of view or that point of view.
Speaker 2: And a lot of students go in and say, look,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna, you know, regurgitate back what the professor
Speaker 2: tells me because my grade is most important. And that's
Speaker 2: unfortunate because a lot of professors have a position of
Speaker 2: authority simple as simple as that, So I understand what
Speaker 2: you're saying. And then others go in and and they
Speaker 2: get kind of blown away. They don't think for themselves.
Speaker 2: And the idea is the same thing with I want
Speaker 2: people to call this program who think for themselves. I
Speaker 2: want people who call this program not to regurgitate what
Speaker 2: I have to say. If they agree with me, fine
Speaker 2: tell me why give me an argument why you agree.
Speaker 2: Just that's that's all we're trying to say here. I
Speaker 2: want this program to be something that that is, that's
Speaker 2: that's entertaining, and that that's informative. Uh, and maybe causes
Speaker 2: people to think. That's what we're talking about. I appreciate
Speaker 2: your call so much, Walter.
Speaker 5: What I'm talking about, Dan, is they go into college,
Speaker 5: and once they come out radicalized, they should take the
Speaker 5: text exemptions away from whichever columns they're coming out of.
Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that position. I understand that position. I'm
Speaker 2: not in favor of taking tax you know, exemptions away
Speaker 2: from colleges, churches, and hospitals because they do a lot
Speaker 2: for our society. But we can disagree on that. But
Speaker 2: I certainly am very concerned about colleges that are not balanced,
Speaker 2: that colleges that they want diversity, equity, inclusion, but they
Speaker 2: don't want any philosophical diversity. That's the point I was
Speaker 2: trying to make. Thank you, Walter, thank you appreciate it
Speaker 2: all right. I got David in San Francisco. David, were
Speaker 2: really tight on time. You got to get right to it.
Speaker 9: Go right ahead, Oh, I can do it pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 9: Nine hundred years ago, the Magna CARDI got put together
Speaker 9: because the old King of England was not looking out
Speaker 9: for the people, and the people needed repairs from medical
Speaker 9: problems at cholera and smallpox and black plague and whatnot,
Speaker 9: and the king wasn't doing anything about it. So universities
Speaker 9: were put together once they've broke free from the king.
Speaker 9: Universities were put together to help combat diseases. Universities were
Speaker 9: put together to put together law schools so that the
Speaker 9: people would be able to have representation. Harvard provides a
Speaker 9: medical school, it provides law school. And Trump is obviously
Speaker 9: a criminal. He's trying to avoid Okay, he's you.
Speaker 2: Know, David again, if you want to go off and
Speaker 2: call people criminals, I mean that's not what we do here,
Speaker 2: you know that. So hit the planks for me, if
Speaker 2: you please, and we're going to have a gonna dump
Speaker 2: David in San Francisco, Harvard. Have a great night, David,
Speaker 2: probably again, let me get Matt and Charlton. Matt got
Speaker 2: I got about thirty seconds for you. What can you
Speaker 2: do with it?
Speaker 10: Matt, Damn, I just fail that if if they're going
Speaker 10: to do that to the colleges, they should do it
Speaker 10: to the churches as well, and maybe not a tax,
Speaker 10: but a payment in lieu of taxes, like a pilot
Speaker 10: program of some sort.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot. Well, there are a lot of
Speaker 2: schools that do do payments in lieu of taxes. Interesting point,
Speaker 2: Matt and I tend to believe that that we should
Speaker 2: give churches, hospitals and university college's a tax break. My
Speaker 2: friend Bob and who's as good a friend of mine
Speaker 2: as anybody who calls this program disagrees. That's what this
Speaker 2: show is all about. Matt.
Speaker 4: Agree, you do a great job. I appreciate you you
Speaker 4: talk about I have a great night.
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