WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:09.320 Joining us now is James Bovard. You can find him 2 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:12.480 at jimbovard dot com. He writes for a variety of 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:17.519 outlets and has for many many years. He is a libertarian, 4 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:20.920 or we could say a classical liberal, because that's something 5 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:25.320 that Steven Miller's wife doesn't seem to understand. That's the 6 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:27.359 same thing as of course there's a lot of things 7 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.519 that they don't understand, are there, Jim. But he had 8 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:33.679 a very interesting op ed piece on miss dot org. 9 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:38.439 The latest federal killing in Minnesota echoes Ruby Ridge, and 10 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:40.000 I think he's really right, and in a lot of 11 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:41.679 different ways. When we can talk about how it is 12 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:46.000 similar to that, you know, if you're around at that 13 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:49.359 point in time, that should be etched indelibly into your 14 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.240 memory what happens Ruby Ridge and Branch, Davidians and things 15 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:54.799 like that. But you know, even at that time, a 16 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.159 lot of people were not really following that very closely. 17 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:00.000 And of some of the people who are following it, 18 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.799 I think they've forgotten the details of it. They certainly 19 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.040 have forgotten the lessons of it, because there are a 20 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.680 lot of parallels here in this and we need to 21 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.640 learn those lessons so we can stop repeating these things 22 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.959 over and over again. Thank you for joining us, Jim. 23 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:15.599 Hey, thanks very much for having me on. Thanks and 24 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:17.959 thanks for not forgetting about Ruby Ridge. 25 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:21.519 How could I? It's amazing. Gary Spencer did a great 26 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:25.280 job in that trial. And again, what an interesting character 27 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.560 he is in terms of defending Randy Weaver, and while 28 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:33.359 not defending him, but in terms of getting some compensation 29 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:35.359 for him. But you can never compensate for really for 30 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:37.920 what he lost. Let's talk a little bit about the parallels. 31 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:41.280 But tell us you put up a tweet that really 32 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.280 went viral about this, which is the basis of your article. 33 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.159 I guess that's why you decided to write the article. 34 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:49.040 You had a lot of people take exception to you 35 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.680 drawing parallels. 36 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:56.280 Exception Yeah, I mean, you know, with their pitchforks, and yes, 37 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:00.680 yeah it was. It was interesting if you go back 38 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:03.920 to folks who were politically conscious in the nineteen nineties, 39 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:08.159 people who were skeptical about government power, both liberals and 40 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:14.120 conservatives and libertarians, Ruby Ridge was a rallying cry for 41 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.879 what happens when the government is off the leash and 42 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:21.879 when federal agents have a license to kill. As a 43 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:27.120 federal judge, Alis Kozinski said, the Ruby Ridge case you had, 44 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:31.919 the federal FBI snipers were given a basically a double 45 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.599 O seven license to go out and kill people. Yeah, 46 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:38.000 that's the basic rules of engagement where if you see 47 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:41.319 the adult males outside the cabin, kill them, you know, 48 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:45.120 no warning or anything. Even though they had never fired 49 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:49.080 upon the Federal they never fired upon the FBI. 50 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.159 So but when we've seen that over and over again, 51 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.520 I talked about how apparently with this absolute immunity, these 52 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:57.759 people are all double O sevens. I said, I don't know, 53 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:59.280 maybe that refers to their IQ. 54 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.159 Well, I had that impression. I was wondering about that. 55 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.800 With some of the feedback I was getting, it was 56 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:12.919 it was interesting to see the absolute instant hatred for 57 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.520 drawing a parallel between what happened at Ruby Ridge and 58 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.960 the killing of the Alex Preddy in Minneapolis last Saturday. 59 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:25.000 Yeah, and it was. It was funny. 60 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.639 It's been a while since I since I had that 61 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:34.840 much visibility on Twitter. And it's interesting how the standard 62 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:38.680 insults have changed, because now it just seems like about 63 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.840 forty percent of the response it was just like you 64 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:47.919 were retard, Yeah exactly, or Okay, I'm thinking is this 65 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:52.360 the best you can do? Is this the best deprecation 66 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:57.080 you have in your arsenal? You were retard man, You 67 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.120 trying to go back and forth with these people, and 68 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:01.520 then they started flinging. 69 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.719 The airport in every direction. And you know, I like 70 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.479 George Carlin, there's a time and a place for the airport. 71 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:10.439 It could be effective. But when you're just kind of 72 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.680 when this is all you have, you know. 73 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.279 Well, they don't even know what is that. I have 74 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:17.759 to look that up if they could even start. 75 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:23.279 Yeah yeah, well so yeah, so most so the most 76 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:27.680 common retort was retard and the second most common report 77 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:28.720 was boomer. 78 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.720 Yeah that's it, yeah boomer. Yeah. I mean, okay, so 79 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:34.319 I know how to read. You know. 80 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:37.000 There was yeah, there was there was some guy was 81 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.279 who kept attacking me and he was making such in 82 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:44.000 your comments. I finally said, you know, maybe what we 83 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.959 need is go fundb drive to get you hooked on phonics. 84 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:52.639 You go to get the software program. And it didn't 85 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:53.720 seem to make him happy. 86 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:58.120 So you know, I tried. I tried. There were there. 87 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:00.199 Were other folks I said, you know, good luck with 88 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.920 your grammar, you know, because they were just if you're 89 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.240 gonna call someone a retard. You should be able to 90 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.959 spell your entire sentence correctly, you know, otherwise it. 91 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.839 Kind of boomerangs. You know, it's not a good look. 92 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:15.000 You reply to them. 93 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.040 Okay, boomerang, there you go. So what was the tweet? 94 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:20.680 What exactly did you say in the tweet? 95 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.720 Oh, that's a good question. Let me pull it up here. 96 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:25.079 I've got this reopened. 97 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:34.439 It was It was interesting, there was I'd first first 98 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:37.879 commented on the on the Ruby Ridge thing, uh. 99 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:39.199 First parallel on. 100 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:46.120 Late Saturday, and then I was getting so much hostile feedback. 101 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.399 Uh so so what I did? Uh, this is an 102 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.040 article in the parallels. In both cases, the Fed's suppress 103 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:58.319 evidence raisingly lied about what happened, exaggerated the threat to 104 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:02.720 federal agents, and offered bizarre justifications for their killings. 105 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.319 Yeah, and that is let's see. 106 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.040 Yeah, and we start out, we get add to the 107 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.560 on my list. I made a similar list like that 108 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.199 the needlessly aggressive use of force, which seems to be 109 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:18.079 a hallmark government anymore. 110 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.360 Yeah, and that was that was a point. 111 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.920 You know that I made an Macy's article on how 112 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:30.360 the latest killing at go Ruby Ridge. But it's interesting 113 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:35.879 because you have so many people who are conservatives who 114 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:42.000 understood after January sixth, twenty twenty one, after the Biden 115 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:46.480 posts came in and vilified everyone, every Trump's supporter who'd 116 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.720 been in the same zip code as the US capital 117 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.000 and tried to ruin your lives. And you had the 118 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:55.759 FBI formally classifying all these January sixth cases, eight hundred 119 00:06:55.839 --> 00:07:00.360 or more of them as terrorism cases because someone walk 120 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:02.079 into a government building. 121 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:02.800 Yeah. 122 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.279 I talked about that. In one particular. I think one 123 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:08.040 of the most egregious ones I saw was you had 124 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.439 a couple of elderly guys that were there and they 125 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.120 had their middle aged one of them middle aged son, 126 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.240 and they walk up. The doors are open going into 127 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:17.920 the Capitol building and they got a couple of cops. 128 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:20.199 They said, is there a restroom'r in here somewhere? Yeah, sure, 129 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:22.600 go right here. I go in and use the restroom. 130 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.120 And that's all they did. They come back out, and 131 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:26.720 as they're getting ready to go back out the same 132 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.839 way they came in, there was a female cop and 133 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:30.600 she says, no, no, no, go this way. She's pointing 134 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.079 trying to get them to go onto the floor of 135 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:36.839 the Capitol building, trying to trap them and they did 136 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.639 charge them, because that's why that came out, was because 137 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:42.439 they actually wound up charging them with that. You would 138 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.399 think that they would have a memory of that and 139 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.199 a perspective of it that they've got like the memory 140 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:52.560 of a fruit fly. It's absolutely amazing they don't. They can't. 141 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:56.800 They can't understand these different principles and the similarities that 142 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.079 are there. And that's a big part of it. It's 143 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.000 a big part of the of the group think that's there, 144 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.839 The tribalism that is there, is that they're going to 145 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.279 go through with a fine tooth comb and they're going 146 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:10.920 to identify how this person over here was a bad person. 147 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:12.959 We've got to add hominem attack and they're not part 148 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.160 of our tribe, so it was justified. That's basically when 149 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.759 you peel back all the layers of this onion. That's 150 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.920 what it really gets down to. When you see this 151 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.240 this rabid response that I've seen from a lot of 152 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:25.519 people on social media. 153 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:27.519 Yeah, it goes. 154 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:30.879 Back to what historian Henry Adams said one hundred years ago. 155 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.399 Politics has always been a systematic organization of hatreds. 156 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.200 Yeah, and it was. 157 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:42.360 It was It was intriguing to see the push button. 158 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.080 Hatred after the. 159 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:51.559 After the protester got killed, and to see and it 160 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:54.360 was funny because I was posting stuff on Facebook and 161 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.320 then on they're on Twitter, and so late on Saturday, 162 00:08:58.360 --> 00:08:59.960 I said, well, you know, you know there was a 163 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.799 h there was a TV station there in Minneapolis. 164 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.120 I think it might have been an ABC station and 165 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.559 said that that actually, if you look at the video, 166 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.759 it looks like the federal agent had taken away the 167 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:13.480 guy's gun before he was shot. 168 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:17.840 And oh, my god, you think I had just you know, 169 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.679 made the biggest heresy in the world because the outrage. 170 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:24.200 Could anybody say that? 171 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.399 And it was like I was, it was like I 172 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:29.519 was trying. It was almost like we were supposed to 173 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:33.919 think the federal agents had somehow performed a miracle by 174 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:35.960 saving everybody from getting shot. 175 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.679 By this guy. Like it was that Stephen. 176 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.559 Miller or was that Bobino. I think it was Bobino 177 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.720 who said the agents did a really good job because 178 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:48.519 they stopped this guy from killing killing police. Yeah, and 179 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.679 I'm thinking by that standard, they could kill everybody the demonstrations. 180 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.000 Well, you know, it really has That's one of the 181 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.440 things I remember most about Ruby Ridge. And then about 182 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.840 Waco's well was how people lined up as to whether 183 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:06.679 or not they liked David Koresh and his group. If 184 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:08.600 they didn't like him, oh yeah, do whatever you want 185 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.200 to to him. You know, I'm a Christian. And so 186 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.360 I looked at that and I saw these people said, well, 187 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:15.360 you know, we don't like this guy. We thinks his 188 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.039 theology is avran and they do weird things in their 189 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.879 church and stuff. So yeah, yeah, go after this guy. 190 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:22.919 I'm not part of I don't want to be associated 191 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:27.240 with them. And so they they basically were cheering the 192 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.120 incineration of men, women and children. It's like, what in 193 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.320 the world is going on here? But of course you 194 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.200 see that now over and over again, like you point 195 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:38.039 out the systematic organization of hatred, you know, which is 196 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:40.279 And it was. 197 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:45.240 The same thing with the Ruby Ridge. The part of 198 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.679 what happened as the FEDS were very quick to vilify, 199 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:54.399 vilify their victims, being the Randy Weegman his wife primarily 200 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:59.440 they had some bad ideas, and in the writing that 201 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:03.200 I did about it, I was very careful not to say, well, 202 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.960 you know, maybe they've got a point. No no, no, no, 203 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:10.159 I mean bad ideas. But then there are a couple 204 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.039 people out there who think that I have bad ideas, 205 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.600 that's right. So you know, you know, I don't want 206 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:17.519 to give the FEDS a license to kill people with 207 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:20.279 bad ideas. But this is what what a lot of 208 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:23.679 the people who want the government to fight extremism, this 209 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.320 is what it turns out to be people who have 210 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.200 different ideas than you do. Said, well, you know, got 211 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:30.720 to take them out, you know, I mean. 212 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.600 It's it's hard. 213 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.559 It's hard to have a free speech if someone's hateful, 214 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:42.360 and what's the difference A definition of hateful disagrees with me. So, 215 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:45.799 but we've seen that ever since the Clinton administration. 216 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:47.919 So and of course, you know, when we look at 217 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.120 the way people responded first to the killing of Renee Good, 218 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:55.960 what I noticed was the MAGA people came out said, oh, 219 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.000 she's LGBT and she was part of an organization that 220 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:02.159 got some Soros money whatever. And it's like, okay, well, 221 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:05.840 you do realize Scott Bessett is a part of that 222 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:08.320 LGBT movement. He do realize he got a lot of 223 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.480 Sous money, didn't He as a partner with the guy 224 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.440 for a long time. And yet you know, they're completely 225 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:18.279 blind to that because now this guy is he's whitewashed, 226 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.080 he's baptized or whatever because Trump picked him and he's 227 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.000 working with Trump, and the same type of stuff. If 228 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.279 you equated Ashley Babbitt to Renee Good, which I think 229 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.759 was a good comparison because they were both shot at 230 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.799 point blank range when they were no threat to anyone, 231 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:36.120 and yet they came back and it said, yeah, but look, 232 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.440 you know she's I don't like what she did with 233 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:40.000 this or what she says about that, I don't like 234 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.559 her lifestyle or whatever. So again it's the demonization of 235 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:47.240 this kind of thing, and now we've seen it. They 236 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.440 kept digging and digging. It took a lot longer for 237 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.360 them to find something on Alex pretty but what they 238 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:55.159 were able to find on him was a BBC video 239 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:59.519 where he got into a fight with some a border 240 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:01.879 patrol aid or something like that. I don't know if 241 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:03.840 you've seen that or not. That went viral yesterday. 242 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:04.039 Yeah. 243 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:08.279 I haven't watched all of it, but I've seen it. 244 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:12.480 But yeah, so here's the tail light out and it's like, okay, 245 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:16.039 but they didn't kill him that day, and would that 246 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:19.200 justify him being killed that day? Even and he wasn't 247 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.679 doing that the day that he was killed. It wasn't 248 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:22.639 doing anything like that. 249 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.679 Yeah, there was a story that I wrote that came 250 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:28.519 out on the day before he was shot that said, look, 251 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.240 I mean, you have protests, you're going to have assholes, 252 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.000 because there's almost always people who behaved like assholes of protests. 253 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:36.200 And the same thing. 254 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:38.320 If you've got police, you're also going to have all 255 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:39.200 that's true. 256 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:39.799 That's true. 257 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.960 That's so there's there's an interesting point here on the 258 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:49.399 looking at the at what Alex pretty did before he 259 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:55.840 got shot. So we don't know the names of the 260 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:59.679 two federal agents who shot and killed him, and I 261 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:03.159 would very interesting to see what their records were, see 262 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.320 if they had a record of abusive force, or if 263 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.200 they had shot somebody else before, or. 264 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:11.679 You know, or if they were new hires. 265 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:17.200 Yeah, so, I mean, this is this is a real 266 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:24.159 big This is something which comes up in in big 267 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.879 cities if some cops shoot someone, especially if the cop 268 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.159 has shot people before, and especially if there was any 269 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:36.039 kind of pattern to the cops killings or shootings. This 270 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.679 is this is very germane to making any kind of judgment. 271 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.440 But the Trump people have decided we have no, right. 272 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:47.519 I mean, I don't know when or how federal agents 273 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:49.600 got their right to kill anonymously. 274 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.879 Yeah, that's right, that's right. But this is this. 275 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.440 Is, this is what it is at this point, and 276 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:59.600 it's it's funny, but I mean it's it's kind of 277 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:03.399 a very what we saw. A couple of months ago. 278 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.759 There was a lot of controversy initially about how the 279 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.759 how our War Department had done a second hit on 280 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:16.000 the survivors out there near Venezuela. And you know, it 281 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.240 was there was video of that killing, and I guess 282 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.120 it was being seen on Capitol Hill, and then all 283 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:25.000 of a sudden, our Secretary of War, Hag Suth, comes 284 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:27.200 out and said, well, of course we can't make that 285 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:31.360 public as confidential has got this and that it's like, 286 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:33.840 you know, so it's a license to kill. 287 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:34.600 Yeah. 288 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:36.360 But the thing is, you know, he put out and 289 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.600 bragged about their shots against these boats in the past, 290 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:41.799 and I said that about the this was I think, 291 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:44.639 wasn't the circle back where they killed the shipwrecked people. 292 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.039 I think that was the very first strike they did. 293 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.720 And I said, of the video that he put out proudly, 294 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.440 I said, that's criminal, that's an act of war. They 295 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:57.799 didn't interdict that there's there's clearly processes for them to 296 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:00.799 check people if they suspect. 297 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:01.360 Them of being drug dealers. 298 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:02.840 And again I don't agree with any that war on 299 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:05.279 drug stuff, but they have their own rules about that 300 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:06.879 and they violated all the rules. 301 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:13.639 Well, and it's it's it's it's interesting trying to figure 302 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:17.360 out if there's laws or you know, constitutional rights that 303 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.679 the Trump administration is going to recognize and uphold. 304 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.879 Yeah, yeah, I mean, because it's. 305 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.240 You know, trying to understand what went down in Minneapolis. 306 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:32.919 I mean, it's it's amazing that the first response by 307 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.840 the DHS, by Bovino and people like that was like, well, 308 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:38.759 people have got no right to know the names that 309 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:40.840 we're going to shift them out of the states so 310 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:47.279 they can't be held legally liable by Minnesota officials. It's 311 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.600 it's like, where did they get the right to kill 312 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.879 in Minnesota? I mean, this is this is this is 313 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:58.600 not a recognized federal right. But there again, it goes 314 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:01.840 back to Ruby Ridge and you had the FBI sniper 315 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:04.559 who killed the mother holding your baby by the cabin door. 316 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:07.880 Yes, and I'll never forget his name. It's been burned 317 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.359 in my memory a lot hor ute, right. 318 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:14.319 Yeah, And you had the Janet Reno and the Clinton 319 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:18.119 Just Apartment and the Clinton President Clinton moving hell in 320 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.960 high Water to block any prosecution by the stateo Idaho 321 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:27.559 of the FBI sniper, even though a confidential Just Apartment 322 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:31.880 report said that his shot that killed Vicky Weaver was 323 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:34.599 totally illegal and unjustified. 324 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:35.799 That's right. 325 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:39.079 Yeah, recount some of the details about Ruby Ridge because 326 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.480 it has been a while for people and even people 327 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.720 who were following it at the time. You know, there 328 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:47.119 was a lot at the time we didn't The Internet 329 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.440 can be both good and bad. I got to say that, 330 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.279 you know, when Ruby Ridge happened, and then when you 331 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.759 had the very long standoff there with Branch Davidians, it 332 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:58.720 was a bit difficult to get information because the only 333 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:02.359 thing you could get was mainstream media whitewashing of stuff. 334 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:05.359 And we did have a bulletin board that I was 335 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.519 a part of at the time, but there was no Internet, right, 336 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.279 so people in the area were getting information and putting 337 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:13.400 it out, and of course it wasn't verified, but of 338 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.559 course we knew that the stuff coming from mainstream media 339 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:20.400 was verified bs So it was interesting to look at 340 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:24.200 these things in real time, but go back and recount 341 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.000 some of the things with Ruby Ridges. You see a 342 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:27.559 parallels to what's happening. 343 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:31.759 Okay, well, I'll start giving a thumbnail Ruby Rich here. 344 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:37.799 It started when an undercover alcohol, tobacco, and firearms atf 345 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.920 agent and trapped Randy Weaver into selling a salt off shotgun. 346 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:43.519 It was a. 347 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.920 On August twenty first, nineteen ninety two. Three US Marshalls 348 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:55.279 dressed and ninja outfits and with face masks illegally intrude 349 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:59.200 on Weaver's land and ambush Weaver's fourteen year old son 350 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.000 and a twenty five of your old family friend, Kevin Harris. 351 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.839 The marshals fired some machine guns at the at the 352 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.880 UH at them and killed the boy's dog. A firefight 353 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:13.799 and sued ensued a US marshals killed as the boy 354 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:17.480 was running back home towards his family's cabin, a marshal, 355 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.279 a Marshall shined in the back and killed him. Yeah 356 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:24.640 what and and it was a big issue then in 357 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:28.519 the Justice Department of confidential report was that the Marshal 358 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:32.599 Service never separated the different marshals who who had killed 359 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:35.799 the boy and been in the firefight and gave them 360 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.240 thereby giving them a chance to create their own cover story, 361 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.839 which was later approven to be completely false. But so 362 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:45.839 the marshals gave a storyline to the FBI that made 363 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:50.799 the FBI panic. The next day, FBI snipers arrived. Within 364 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:54.039 an hour of them taking position, every adult in the 365 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:57.799 Weaver cabin was either dead or severely wounded, even though 366 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.519 they never fired a shot at the FBI. You had 367 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:04.680 FBI sniper whore. You usually shot Randy Willie in the 368 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:08.880 back as he stood outside his shack, and then fired 369 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.279 a shot that killed Vicky Weaver by the cabin door 370 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:16.480 as she was holding her baby. Now, the FBI initially 371 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.039 said that they were justified and killing Vicky Weaver because 372 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:23.759 she'd been in the front yard firing at the FBI helicopter. 373 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:25.279 That was a. 374 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:29.920 Complete scam and that fell apart. And so once that 375 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.559 story fell apart, the FBI said they killed her accidentally. 376 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:38.440 So that sounds like Christine Hohlmes thing the agents were 377 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:43.160 stuck in the snow. Oh yeah, yeah, just making this 378 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.359 stuff up, the contempt for everybody. It reminds me of 379 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.279 what Jake Tappert just said to one of these guys. 380 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.920 The guy's going on on about what happened with this 381 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:54.079 Alex Pretty thing, and he goes, you do realize there's 382 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:55.359 a video of this, don't you. 383 00:20:57.799 --> 00:20:58.119 Well. 384 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:01.599 And that's the only reason why we've got a chance 385 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.640 to help getting the truth on this, because if you 386 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:09.400 think of the initial storyline that the Trump top officials 387 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:13.240 put out on the Alex Pretty shooting, uh, he had 388 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:16.279 his non billimeter pistol out. He was a solding law 389 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.440 enforcement and they were you know, he was there to 390 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:22.279 mask for them. And you know, to the New York 391 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.880 Times credit, you know, within an hour of the Trump 392 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.200 top officials saying them, you know, New York Times was saying, 393 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:33.920 you know, actually there's videos, there's something completely different, and 394 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.480 so many papers came around to that quite quickly. But 395 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.960 you had the Trump people quite acclaimed to this absolute 396 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:46.799 nonsense version that would whitewash the federal agents who killed Preddy. 397 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:51.759 And it's like, Okay, if you're gonna lie so brazenly, 398 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:55.200 why should we trust you on anything that's right? 399 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:56.759 That's right exactly. Yeah. 400 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.839 It is brazen, it is arrogant. It's an insult to intelligence, 401 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:02.160