WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.559 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:29.640 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.759 The question why. 4 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:40.799 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 5 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:48.200 truth we find? They built their tails on crafts and 6 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.119 lives on. 7 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:57.600 Theories they stake their designed put down here. 8 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:03.960 On this solid brown the answer scream there around. 9 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:08.760 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's 10 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.280 time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. 11 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:16.280 We're recording on this Monday, December sixteenth, twenty twenty four. 12 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.120 I know it's a busy time for everyone and we 13 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.760 had we just had this last week has been absolutely NonStop, 14 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:25.760 but I'm glad we're able to put aside the time, 15 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.319 you know, each week for this content, the flat Earth Files, 16 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:33.959 which you know I think I failed to mention November thirty, 17 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:36.879 It's just a few weeks ago was our second anniversary. 18 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:38.879 We're now officially into our third year. And again I 19 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:41.120 want to thank everybody who has come on the podcast. 20 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:45.400 This is truly a listener driven podcast, with people coming 21 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:49.439 on like Justin Is today to share their stories. So 22 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.959 again my thanks to everyone. Please do check out the website. 23 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.840 It is theflat Earthfiles dot Com. We put every episode 24 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:59.480 in the form of a blog post with all the 25 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.359 supporting you know, the things that we talked about during 26 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:07.480 the episode is in there, videos, websites. It's really a 27 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.360 great hub for knowledge. Please do check it out the 28 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.840 flat Earthfiles dot com. And of course, again we are 29 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.680 booked for the rest of this year. I think we're 30 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.599 starting to book for the second week of January, and 31 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.400 I still have people to get to. But if you'd 32 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:24.400 like to get kind of in line to be a 33 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.840 part of the show for the winter in the coming spring, 34 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:32.719 the email address is FE filesguest at gmail dot com. Again, 35 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.879 it's fe files guest at gmail dot com. And again 36 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:40.960 all these things are in the show notes and on 37 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.039 the website as well. So there we go. I think 38 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:47.520 that's all the housekeeping for today. Wrong button. Let's bring 39 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:51.759 on today's guests. Joining us from my guess, probably about 40 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:55.840 two hours due north of me, is Justin. Hey, Justin, 41 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.000 Thanks for your time and welcome to the show. 42 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:00.639 Thanks George, I appreci thank you. 43 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.199 Go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. 44 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:05.719 Sure, my name is Justin. 45 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:12.960 I am from Central Pennsylvania, forty five, married for twenty 46 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:19.280 one years and we have four boys. Together spent. I'm 47 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.759 an Army vet, so thank you for your. 48 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:23.360 Service as well. George, Oh you too. 49 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:29.520 Brother did about three years there and just getting into 50 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:32.479 this journey of truth seeking here for probably well, I 51 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:37.479 guess the summer of twenty three, I guess is when 52 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:38.800 I started doing all this stuff. 53 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:39.759 So yeah, so. 54 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.039 About eighteen months. Where were you stationed in the military 55 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:46.639 in Vincentza, Italy, Italy? That's I had one stop there 56 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:50.719 coming back from from Desert Storm in ninety one. That's 57 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.479 where we stopped. It was on a it was in 58 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:57.479 I think May, and it was interesting. We were in 59 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:01.960 a gymnasium there and we were with ice called Budweisers 60 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:04.800 in Italy, and then we hopped the rest of the 61 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:05.280 way home. 62 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.280 Not a bad city in Aviano. Does that ring a bell? Yeah? 63 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.719 Aviano, I think that's yeah. 64 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:14.319 That's where we would h live. 65 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.360 I did did airborne, so we would go up there 66 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.160 every couple of months and load up on some planes 67 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:22.519 and jump out of them. But yeah, I got out 68 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:25.920 in November of two thousand, so right before. 69 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.759 All all the fun stuff kicked off. 70 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:29.920 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So well. 71 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.839 Good for you. It's a good duty station. I'm sure 72 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:33.879 you got to see interesting side of the world. At 73 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:35.800 least it wasn't Fort Polk or Fort Drum. 74 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:36.680 Yeah. 75 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:39.040 Yeah, I was a little a little nervous at first 76 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.160 because my first time flying was the basic training in Georgia. 77 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.160 And then next thing I know, I'm getting orders to 78 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.000 go to Italy. And I was like, you know, three 79 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:50.920 weeks out of high school, you know, or I just 80 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.040 graduated high school, and next thing you know, I'm getting 81 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:57.399 shipped off. And my mom started crying and I got excited. 82 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.600 But isn't it funny in this world? How you know 83 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.720 one day you're in For me, it was six weeks, 84 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.279 you know, I think I graduated like June six of 85 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:09.439 eighty seven, and you know, six weeks later you're you're 86 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:12.800 being broken down and build up into a new person. 87 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.199 It's a whole different world, it really is. 88 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.279 Yeah, And even nowadays, I don't want my kids in 89 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.839 the army. Oh no, nor at all. I mean, sir, 90 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.480 if I had to do everything I did again, I did, 91 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:25.600 I would do it again. You know. It was a 92 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:27.560 great time to learn a lot of stuff. All that. 93 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:29.759 I mean, it was a wild time. Let's just say. 94 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:32.360 But yeah, I don't want I don't want them in there. 95 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.199 My wife's the same way. She's like, I will shoot 96 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:37.560 them in the leg if there's a draft or something 97 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:38.279 like that going on. 98 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:43.160 So, but yeah, these are certainly different times for sure. Now, 99 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:45.319 you mentioned that your journey to the truth kind of 100 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.079 started a year and a half ago. What was the 101 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:51.040 particular thing that caught your attention and kind of brought 102 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:52.279 you into the truth community. 103 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:54.399 It's all your fault. 104 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:56.519 Oh no, yes, me again. 105 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:01.560 Yep, yeah, no, I've We were. 106 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.759 Taking a trip out west. We had been, I guess 107 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:08.879 since about twenty sixteen. We've been trying to hit all 108 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:10.959 the national parks and I think at this point we've 109 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.040 got all of them except maybe for Alaska something like that. 110 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.360 But we were taken along. I think it was like 111 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.240 a seven seven week trip out. We bought an RV 112 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:26.639 and at the time I was listened to like Steven 113 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:32.639 Crowder and like h Ben Shapiro, like those guys, like 114 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:34.680 the mainstream things, and so I had those on a 115 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:39.560 podcast like on Spotify, and we were hopping into RV 116 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.199 and I'm like, I don't want to, you know, I 117 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.959 got a ten hour drive or whatever, and I just 118 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.199 it was like, I don't feel like listening to these guys. 119 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.120 There's just you know, I didn't want to listen to music. 120 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:54.839 And flat Earth files was up on the screen and 121 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.319 I was like, okay, that's weird, like crazy why you 122 00:06:58.360 --> 00:06:59.120 know whatever? 123 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:02.079 You know, go rhythm right, yes, yeah. 124 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.720 So I was scrolling through a little bit, didn't really 125 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.920 find anything I was interested in. I was like, let 126 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:12.800 me just let's see what this is about, and I 127 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.360 got I got hooked pretty quick, to be honest with you. 128 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.000 I mean a lot of it was overload in a 129 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:23.480 way because of all that you know, programming that's been done. 130 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:25.639 And I do have to say a couple of things 131 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:27.519 before I really kind of get into it that it 132 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.439 was a big thing for me, George, was that you 133 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:35.720 were coming from a biblical aspect of things, and that, 134 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:37.879 you know, when you were tying things into the Bible 135 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:39.759 and and. 136 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.800 Using scripture like that. 137 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.360 Honestly, is probably one of the things that really kept 138 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.160 me listening because it's like, Okay, this guy has the 139 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:52.800 same beliefs that I do, you know, on the following 140 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.199 Jesus aspect of things, and it really kept me tied in. 141 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:01.360 So it was it was really cool to have that 142 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:06.360 come come from that point, and I pretty much just 143 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:11.319 went and listened to episode after episode, and I had 144 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.519 a laugh because I have my phone sitting in my 145 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:19.920 cup holder, you know, with with uh your your Flat 146 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.160 Earth Files logo on there, and my kids are sitting 147 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.680 behind me, you know, and and in the r V 148 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:27.680 and they're like, what are you listening to? 149 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:29.959 And I'm like, I don't really know yet, man, Like 150 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:34.440 this is this is crazy. I'm gonna have to get 151 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:35.600 back to you on that. You know. 152 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.159 It was really just mind opening and it was really 153 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.519 cool because we were headed out west where things a 154 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:46.279 lot more flat than they are here, and so it 155 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:49.840 was kind of like a waking up experience to this 156 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:50.720 flatter thing. 157 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:52.879 While we were on this trip. 158 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.159 So that really is like I said, it's it's your 159 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:59.919 fault because that's your the podcast. I started listening to 160 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:04.360 Shoold all this stuff, and I mean, I've what you're 161 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.799 on one hundred and eighty some episodes now, and you know, 162 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.639 but yeah, that's that's kind of what really got me 163 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:15.240 going into it. But like you said before, it's was 164 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:19.320 COVID was more of kind of my questioning things, more 165 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.000 of what's going on and stuff like that. So I 166 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.559 mean it, like you said, they overplayed their hand in things, 167 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:28.879 and it just really started making me kind of look 168 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:32.320 into things more so than just brushing them off. So 169 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.559 it was kind of a kind of getting into that. 170 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.440 But I hadn't really spend any time going down to 171 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.480 any other rabbit holes, so of flat Earth was really 172 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:44.639 my first first awakening to all this. And then of 173 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:46.399 course you just kind of work your way down in 174 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.960 a sense, and it's it's a whole new world, I 175 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:50.879 guess you could say. 176 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:53.919 It really is. And you know, we talk about how 177 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:57.440 detrimental that COVID was to the economy, to small business, 178 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.759 to our rights, you know, with what they claim we 179 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.000 have a bill of rights, yet they shut down our churches, 180 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.080 and you know, we've gone down the sort of plenty 181 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:08.000 of times. But at the same time, you know, I'm 182 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:12.000 not sure the word blessing in disguise would be correct 183 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:15.519 and using this, but again, at least eighty percent of 184 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.399 the people who have come on this podcast, COVID has 185 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:21.000 you know, played a very large part of their awakening 186 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:25.840 where at minimum got them to question the official narrative 187 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:31.679 before jumping in, right, And that's that's really important. Which 188 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.480 national park is your favorite? Which what was your favorite trips? 189 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:42.360 Hawaii? How's that sound? Yeah, we were there this summer. 190 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:44.519 Did you go to the Big Island? 191 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.960 We went to the Big Island and a lot who 192 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.840 and uh not nowI what's search of the k not? 193 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:56.879 Oh? Why CALLI? 194 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:58.960 Or something like that something like that. Yeah, I don't know. 195 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:00.960 We hit three or four islands something like that. It 196 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:04.320 was a kind of a graduation gift for the kids. 197 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.200 I got two that recently graduated from high school, and 198 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.759 we I had my youngest is in seventh grade, and 199 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:12.080 we were like, this is your graduation gift too. So 200 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:14.960 we went out there and before the kids kind of 201 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:19.360 get older. My oldest is going to be she's twenty 202 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.600 twenty twenty one something like that. Yeah, I guess twenty 203 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:24.559 here and then like another month or so. So it 204 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.399 was kind of like before you guys started getting your 205 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:28.320 families and all that. 206 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:28.799 We'll do that. 207 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.720 But I mean, obviously Hawaii is great too, But it 208 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:33.519 was a lot of the stuff out out west I 209 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.279 think were some of my favorites. My wife was a 210 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:40.120 big fan of, like Joshua Tree. It just wasn't really 211 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.000 anything she was expecting. I mean, the like the redwoods 212 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.480 out there on the coast or I mean, they're they 213 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.480 are all so unique and got something to do. 214 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.080 But I don't know if I could have one favorite, 215 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:53.600 but yeah. 216 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:59.279 Yeah, for sure cool. I think it was Kawhi. I 217 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:03.080 think is the island and I haven't been to that one, 218 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:05.879 but yeah, it's beautiful. But for me, you know, you 219 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:07.840 and I live in the same area. We experienced all 220 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:11.399 four here, all four seasons, and it was really weird 221 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.679 at Christmas time, being eighty two degrees outside. It just 222 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:15.600 didn't feel right to me. 223 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:19.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, A cool place to go if 224 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:22.320 you can, and oh absolutely, you know, we were trying 225 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.759 to get back to see some of the stuff that 226 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:27.799 was more authentic Quhitey than your. 227 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.480 Yeah, instead of waiting. Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. That 228 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.279 mall there, My goodness, gracious you go bankrupt shopping in there. 229 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:40.879 Oh my gosh, everything so expensive. But anyway, yeah, so. 230 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:42.720 At what point did you you know, when you're listening 231 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:44.720 to the podcast, and I assume at that point you 232 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:48.440 start taking deeper dives maybe did you start to look 233 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:51.600 deeper into Actually, let me preface it with this, had 234 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.720 you question the moon landings prior to looking into this 235 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.399 or is it something that never really came up on 236 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:56.879 your radar. 237 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:58.559 No, I was. 238 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:03.600 I was pretty and let's say naive that I always 239 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.399 just assumed that the government was there for us and 240 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:08.320 they had our backs, and like, why would you lie 241 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:09.159 about stuff like this? 242 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.200 So no, I never never looked into it. I didn't. 243 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:17.080 I don't know, just that never did didn't really I 244 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:20.840 didn't question it. I didn't really like not question it either. 245 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:22.720 I just okay, yeah, we went to the moon pool? 246 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.080 You know? And would they lie? 247 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:31.120 During your life prior to twenty twenty three, had you 248 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:34.440 been privy to a conversation of somebody having or being 249 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.879 in school, maybe it was junior high or high school 250 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.559 being taught about gravity, those type of things were there 251 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:43.559 any I guess what I'm asking is with a lot 252 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.360 of people, were there were there seats planted at some 253 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.120 point in your life but you just didn't really pay 254 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.120 attention to them and you kind of filed them away? 255 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:51.799 Or did it just all come at one time in 256 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:52.639 twenty twenty three? 257 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:54.840 Yeah, I think it came all at one time. 258 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.600 I mean there's things that you're like, Okay, that doesn't 259 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:59.840 really make sense, but I guess I'm not smart enough to. 260 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:02.919 You know, have it make sense to me. 261 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.919 So you just take that answer and okay, and then 262 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:11.799 you move on and you know it's it's yeah, So 263 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:14.240 it just came flooding. 264 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:15.919 I guess you could say. 265 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.120 How did it affect you? You know, we've heard stories, 266 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.360 you know, the different levels of emotion that people experience. 267 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:27.080 But was there a part when you said wow? A 268 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:29.120 point I should say where you were like, my goodness, 269 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:32.679 I think we've been lied to and for you, how 270 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.759 how did that affect you know, forty some years of programming. 271 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:42.360 Well, what wasn't like you in two weeks of not sleeping? 272 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:42.759 I guess. 273 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:48.120 And I don't think I ever got angry. I think 274 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:53.799 I just got I don't want to say it's it slowly? 275 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.600 Was I was waking up slowly. I guess you could 276 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:01.480 say even though it was happening very quickly, But I. 277 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.080 Don't want to. I don't know what I'm trying to say. 278 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.279 It just went hmmm. I don't want to say that. 279 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:14.159 I don't think there was anything specifically that was like 280 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:15.840 the big aha moment. 281 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:20.279 I remember one of my sons more so than mine. Yeah, 282 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.799 I don't know. Can you re ask your question again? Yeah? 283 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:29.960 Just basically, you know the transition from I guess if 284 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.679 you want to put it in uh, you know, like 285 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.720 movie terms, from going from blue pill to red pill, 286 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.759 you know, living life one way and then you wake up, 287 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:40.679 you know, at the age of you know, forty four 288 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.600 and having to basically reprogram you. What was that? What 289 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:45.320 was that like for you? 290 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:51.440 It seemed like it wasn't as difficult, I think as 291 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:55.440 I think it probably should have been, because things just 292 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.320 started making so much sense that it was like, why 293 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.240 didn't you think about this before? 294 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:05.440 You know, it really just was a matter of that 295 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:09.120 the wool coming out of your eyes, off your eyes 296 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:13.639 and things just started clicking, and since everything is so connected, 297 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:15.759 it just was like. 298 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:20.080 Oh, oh, oh, okay, you know, well. 299 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.080 Why doesn't why doesn't gravity? Like I think one of 300 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:27.240 your first few episodes, you're talking about gravity holding water down, 301 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:28.879 but butterflies are flying. 302 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:28.919 You know. 303 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.320 Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think a lot of it, 304 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.360 the reprogramming, in a sense, was just a matter of 305 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.480 we're being lied to and this stuff lines up with 306 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.320 things that are being taught to us in the or 307 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.039 not taut to us in the Bible, but things that 308 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:49.559 are in the Bible and that we just glance over 309 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.639 and move on. You know that there's so much in 310 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.559 that that is It's like a lot of people said, 311 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:58.600 you know, I mean, I could do better job reading 312 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.840 my Bible, but you definitely look at it differently. You 313 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:05.880 read it differently, you walk outside differently, you know, you 314 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:11.319 watch movies differently. Like everything's different and it's all over 315 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:13.200 the place. It's crazy. 316 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.319 Yeah, people don't like watching movies with me. I'm always 317 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.839 going to Aha, look at that building number. It's thirty 318 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.079 three or three two two, and they're just yeah, oh my. 319 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:23.759 Gosh, yeah there's I. 320 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.680 So if I can just pausitive conversation just for a second, 321 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:31.559 Like so, this is the second time I was on 322 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:33.839 a on a podcast. A few weeks ago, I was 323 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:39.799 on the Firmamental podcast with Rabel and Alex, and I 324 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.680 do have to say, I think it's so cool because 325 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.720 when you took your break in the summer, because I 326 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.920 was really only like mainly probably about ninety percent listening 327 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.559 to Flatter Files and your fact Hunter, and then I 328 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.519 was like, well, let's check out Firmamental and then I 329 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:58.799 just started binging those guys. But to see how them 330 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:03.039 being on your show, it's created another podcast in itself. 331 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.759 And then they're branching off and they're doing great things 332 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.200 on their their channel. But I'm like, it's all from 333 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.640 George Hobbs. It's like he's the daddy, you know in 334 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.200 a sense. And all these guys are coming all from 335 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:16.799 all over the world being on this podcast, because I 336 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:21.200 think Rabel's in New Mexico and Alex is in Canada 337 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.400 and they're just you know what I mean. I think 338 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:27.839 it's how your show is even just for them has 339 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:30.359 built another show and then they have things that are 340 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.440 branching off and stuff like that. So I don't know, 341 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:35.480 I just wanted to bring that up that I think 342 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:39.440 it is a very neat thing that you know, your 343 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:42.880 your podcast has done some great things for the community. 344 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.920 Yeah, there's so many good podcasts folks who have been on, 345 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:50.440 whether it be Scipio or the Fundamental Guys, or we 346 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:54.720 have great substack authors Michelle sand which I think her 347 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:58.079 name is, and flat Out Truth. There's so many people 348 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.480 of course Flat Earth Dave and those folkolks who put 349 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:04.759 out great content. And you know, one thing that I 350 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:09.359 think that we all have in common is when we 351 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.400 kind of use the term wake up, I think we 352 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:17.200 become less interested in whether whatever things that we were into, 353 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.640 whether it be sports or led Zeppelin or you know, 354 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:23.000 those kind of things. And I think we kind of 355 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.640 not totally walk away, but I think we want more 356 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.000 truth and we look for that type of content. And 357 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.839 we've been really blessed to have so many good podcasters 358 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.880 and authors and you know writers and even movie you know, 359 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:41.839 movie producers. Come on, We've had a couple, and it's 360 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.759 so great to see that there are still a lot 361 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.039 of people out there who are concerned with the truth, 362 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:50.640 and most of them we also have that bond in 363 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:52.960 the faith of Christ, which is so important. 364 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:55.720 Yeah, and I think that's amazing in itself too. On 365 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:58.720 I mean, there's there's got it. 366 00:19:59.200 --> 00:19:59.440 You know. 367 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.440 I don't know eighty ninety percent of your people that 368 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:04.319 have been on your show that have been a fallover Christ, 369 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:07.319 you know, like there's a they're coming from that maybe 370 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.640 they weren't before they got into the flat earth, and 371 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:11.519 you know they've done that. 372 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:13.440 And I just was listening to. 373 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:16.960 Forget her name and start of the k but you know, 374 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.160 she was saying about how she's gotten closer to God. 375 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:21.400 And that's how many times have you heard that? You know, 376 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.640 because that that goes for me too. You know, you're you're, you're, 377 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:27.440 You're like, man, he's he's there. 378 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:29.640 He's right there. So I think it's it's just a 379 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:30.400 pretty neat thing. 380 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:32.759 And it's where you get frustrated with people when you're 381 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.079 like just freaking open up your eyes like it's all 382 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:39.519 in front of you, like, don't watch TV, don't do 383 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:41.160 all that stuff. But yeah, I mean, I used to 384 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.720 listen to music all the time, and I hardly ever 385 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.599 listen to it now. I am, you know, wy like 386 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:50.319 I'm it's almost like you're addicted to finding the truth. 387 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:52.200 And you know, sometimes you end up with a lot 388 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:54.319 more questions than you to do have answers, and that's 389 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:58.559 that's okay, you know, but and you. 390 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:04.319 Know I and this is self reflective as well. I 391 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.920 always say, don't think that you have all the answers right, 392 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:11.519 because we don't. And you know, we'll get people who question, well, 393 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:16.160 how can you prove this? Number one, Even if we 394 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:19.319 can't answer something, that doesn't mean it should automatically revert 395 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:21.960 to the globe, because there's nothing about the globe that 396 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.440 makes sense whatsoever. But secondly, and I say this a lot, 397 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:27.519 and again, I don't use this as a crutch. This 398 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.839 is just the flat out truth is that if we 399 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:37.480 as humans expect to think that we can decipher everything 400 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:42.599 the way God created it, that's awful cocky of us, right, 401 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:45.759