Speaker 1: The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production.
Speaker 2: When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll?
Speaker 1: The question why.
Speaker 2: The stories told and left behind in shadows where the
Speaker 2: truth we find? They built their tails on crafts and
Speaker 2: lives on.
Speaker 1: Theories they stake their designed put down here.
Speaker 2: On this solid brown the answer scream there around.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's
Speaker 3: time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast.
Speaker 3: We're recording on this Monday, December sixteenth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: I know it's a busy time for everyone and we
Speaker 3: had we just had this last week has been absolutely NonStop,
Speaker 3: but I'm glad we're able to put aside the time,
Speaker 3: you know, each week for this content, the flat Earth Files,
Speaker 3: which you know I think I failed to mention November thirty,
Speaker 3: It's just a few weeks ago was our second anniversary.
Speaker 3: We're now officially into our third year. And again I
Speaker 3: want to thank everybody who has come on the podcast.
Speaker 3: This is truly a listener driven podcast, with people coming
Speaker 3: on like Justin Is today to share their stories. So
Speaker 3: again my thanks to everyone. Please do check out the website.
Speaker 3: It is theflat Earthfiles dot Com. We put every episode
Speaker 3: in the form of a blog post with all the
Speaker 3: supporting you know, the things that we talked about during
Speaker 3: the episode is in there, videos, websites. It's really a
Speaker 3: great hub for knowledge. Please do check it out the
Speaker 3: flat Earthfiles dot com. And of course, again we are
Speaker 3: booked for the rest of this year. I think we're
Speaker 3: starting to book for the second week of January, and
Speaker 3: I still have people to get to. But if you'd
Speaker 3: like to get kind of in line to be a
Speaker 3: part of the show for the winter in the coming spring,
Speaker 3: the email address is FE filesguest at gmail dot com. Again,
Speaker 3: it's fe files guest at gmail dot com. And again
Speaker 3: all these things are in the show notes and on
Speaker 3: the website as well. So there we go. I think
Speaker 3: that's all the housekeeping for today. Wrong button. Let's bring
Speaker 3: on today's guests. Joining us from my guess, probably about
Speaker 3: two hours due north of me, is Justin. Hey, Justin,
Speaker 3: Thanks for your time and welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Thanks George, I appreci thank you.
Speaker 3: Go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 4: Sure, my name is Justin.
Speaker 5: I am from Central Pennsylvania, forty five, married for twenty
Speaker 5: one years and we have four boys. Together spent. I'm
Speaker 5: an Army vet, so thank you for your.
Speaker 4: Service as well. George, Oh you too.
Speaker 5: Brother did about three years there and just getting into
Speaker 5: this journey of truth seeking here for probably well, I
Speaker 5: guess the summer of twenty three, I guess is when
Speaker 5: I started doing all this stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so.
Speaker 3: About eighteen months. Where were you stationed in the military
Speaker 3: in Vincentza, Italy, Italy? That's I had one stop there
Speaker 3: coming back from from Desert Storm in ninety one. That's
Speaker 3: where we stopped. It was on a it was in
Speaker 3: I think May, and it was interesting. We were in
Speaker 3: a gymnasium there and we were with ice called Budweisers
Speaker 3: in Italy, and then we hopped the rest of the
Speaker 3: way home.
Speaker 4: Not a bad city in Aviano. Does that ring a bell? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Aviano, I think that's yeah.
Speaker 4: That's where we would h live.
Speaker 5: I did did airborne, so we would go up there
Speaker 5: every couple of months and load up on some planes
Speaker 5: and jump out of them. But yeah, I got out
Speaker 5: in November of two thousand, so right before.
Speaker 3: All all the fun stuff kicked off.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So well.
Speaker 3: Good for you. It's a good duty station. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you got to see interesting side of the world. At
Speaker 3: least it wasn't Fort Polk or Fort Drum.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a little a little nervous at first
Speaker 5: because my first time flying was the basic training in Georgia.
Speaker 5: And then next thing I know, I'm getting orders to
Speaker 5: go to Italy. And I was like, you know, three
Speaker 5: weeks out of high school, you know, or I just
Speaker 5: graduated high school, and next thing you know, I'm getting
Speaker 5: shipped off. And my mom started crying and I got excited.
Speaker 3: But isn't it funny in this world? How you know
Speaker 3: one day you're in For me, it was six weeks,
Speaker 3: you know, I think I graduated like June six of
Speaker 3: eighty seven, and you know, six weeks later you're you're
Speaker 3: being broken down and build up into a new person.
Speaker 3: It's a whole different world, it really is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And even nowadays, I don't want my kids in
Speaker 4: the army. Oh no, nor at all. I mean, sir,
Speaker 4: if I had to do everything I did again, I did,
Speaker 4: I would do it again. You know. It was a
Speaker 4: great time to learn a lot of stuff. All that.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a wild time. Let's just say.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't want I don't want them in there.
Speaker 5: My wife's the same way. She's like, I will shoot
Speaker 5: them in the leg if there's a draft or something
Speaker 5: like that going on.
Speaker 3: So, but yeah, these are certainly different times for sure. Now,
Speaker 3: you mentioned that your journey to the truth kind of
Speaker 3: started a year and a half ago. What was the
Speaker 3: particular thing that caught your attention and kind of brought
Speaker 3: you into the truth community.
Speaker 4: It's all your fault.
Speaker 3: Oh no, yes, me again.
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, no, I've We were.
Speaker 5: Taking a trip out west. We had been, I guess
Speaker 5: since about twenty sixteen. We've been trying to hit all
Speaker 5: the national parks and I think at this point we've
Speaker 5: got all of them except maybe for Alaska something like that.
Speaker 5: But we were taken along. I think it was like
Speaker 5: a seven seven week trip out. We bought an RV
Speaker 5: and at the time I was listened to like Steven
Speaker 5: Crowder and like h Ben Shapiro, like those guys, like
Speaker 5: the mainstream things, and so I had those on a
Speaker 5: podcast like on Spotify, and we were hopping into RV
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I don't want to, you know, I
Speaker 5: got a ten hour drive or whatever, and I just
Speaker 5: it was like, I don't feel like listening to these guys.
Speaker 4: There's just you know, I didn't want to listen to music.
Speaker 5: And flat Earth files was up on the screen and
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, that's weird, like crazy why you
Speaker 5: know whatever?
Speaker 3: You know, go rhythm right, yes, yeah.
Speaker 5: So I was scrolling through a little bit, didn't really
Speaker 5: find anything I was interested in. I was like, let
Speaker 5: me just let's see what this is about, and I
Speaker 5: got I got hooked pretty quick, to be honest with you.
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of it was overload in a
Speaker 5: way because of all that you know, programming that's been done.
Speaker 5: And I do have to say a couple of things
Speaker 5: before I really kind of get into it that it
Speaker 5: was a big thing for me, George, was that you
Speaker 5: were coming from a biblical aspect of things, and that,
Speaker 5: you know, when you were tying things into the Bible
Speaker 5: and and.
Speaker 4: Using scripture like that.
Speaker 5: Honestly, is probably one of the things that really kept
Speaker 5: me listening because it's like, Okay, this guy has the
Speaker 5: same beliefs that I do, you know, on the following
Speaker 5: Jesus aspect of things, and it really kept me tied in.
Speaker 5: So it was it was really cool to have that
Speaker 5: come come from that point, and I pretty much just
Speaker 5: went and listened to episode after episode, and I had
Speaker 5: a laugh because I have my phone sitting in my
Speaker 5: cup holder, you know, with with uh your your Flat
Speaker 5: Earth Files logo on there, and my kids are sitting
Speaker 5: behind me, you know, and and in the r V
Speaker 5: and they're like, what are you listening to?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't really know yet, man, Like
Speaker 4: this is this is crazy. I'm gonna have to get
Speaker 4: back to you on that. You know.
Speaker 5: It was really just mind opening and it was really
Speaker 5: cool because we were headed out west where things a
Speaker 5: lot more flat than they are here, and so it
Speaker 5: was kind of like a waking up experience to this
Speaker 5: flatter thing.
Speaker 4: While we were on this trip.
Speaker 5: So that really is like I said, it's it's your
Speaker 5: fault because that's your the podcast. I started listening to
Speaker 5: Shoold all this stuff, and I mean, I've what you're
Speaker 5: on one hundred and eighty some episodes now, and you know,
Speaker 5: but yeah, that's that's kind of what really got me
Speaker 5: going into it. But like you said before, it's was
Speaker 5: COVID was more of kind of my questioning things, more
Speaker 5: of what's going on and stuff like that. So I
Speaker 5: mean it, like you said, they overplayed their hand in things,
Speaker 5: and it just really started making me kind of look
Speaker 5: into things more so than just brushing them off. So
Speaker 5: it was kind of a kind of getting into that.
Speaker 5: But I hadn't really spend any time going down to
Speaker 5: any other rabbit holes, so of flat Earth was really
Speaker 5: my first first awakening to all this. And then of
Speaker 5: course you just kind of work your way down in
Speaker 5: a sense, and it's it's a whole new world, I
Speaker 5: guess you could say.
Speaker 3: It really is. And you know, we talk about how
Speaker 3: detrimental that COVID was to the economy, to small business,
Speaker 3: to our rights, you know, with what they claim we
Speaker 3: have a bill of rights, yet they shut down our churches,
Speaker 3: and you know, we've gone down the sort of plenty
Speaker 3: of times. But at the same time, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure the word blessing in disguise would be correct
Speaker 3: and using this, but again, at least eighty percent of
Speaker 3: the people who have come on this podcast, COVID has
Speaker 3: you know, played a very large part of their awakening
Speaker 3: where at minimum got them to question the official narrative
Speaker 3: before jumping in, right, And that's that's really important. Which
Speaker 3: national park is your favorite? Which what was your favorite trips?
Speaker 4: Hawaii? How's that sound? Yeah, we were there this summer.
Speaker 3: Did you go to the Big Island?
Speaker 4: We went to the Big Island and a lot who
Speaker 4: and uh not nowI what's search of the k not?
Speaker 3: Oh? Why CALLI?
Speaker 4: Or something like that something like that. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: We hit three or four islands something like that. It
Speaker 5: was a kind of a graduation gift for the kids.
Speaker 5: I got two that recently graduated from high school, and
Speaker 5: we I had my youngest is in seventh grade, and
Speaker 5: we were like, this is your graduation gift too. So
Speaker 5: we went out there and before the kids kind of
Speaker 5: get older. My oldest is going to be she's twenty
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one something like that. Yeah, I guess twenty
Speaker 5: here and then like another month or so. So it
Speaker 5: was kind of like before you guys started getting your
Speaker 5: families and all that.
Speaker 4: We'll do that.
Speaker 5: But I mean, obviously Hawaii is great too, But it
Speaker 5: was a lot of the stuff out out west I
Speaker 5: think were some of my favorites. My wife was a
Speaker 5: big fan of, like Joshua Tree. It just wasn't really
Speaker 5: anything she was expecting. I mean, the like the redwoods
Speaker 5: out there on the coast or I mean, they're they
Speaker 5: are all so unique and got something to do.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if I could have one favorite,
Speaker 4: but yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure cool. I think it was Kawhi. I
Speaker 3: think is the island and I haven't been to that one,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's beautiful. But for me, you know, you
Speaker 3: and I live in the same area. We experienced all
Speaker 3: four here, all four seasons, and it was really weird
Speaker 3: at Christmas time, being eighty two degrees outside. It just
Speaker 3: didn't feel right to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, A cool place to go if
Speaker 5: you can, and oh absolutely, you know, we were trying
Speaker 5: to get back to see some of the stuff that
Speaker 5: was more authentic Quhitey than your.
Speaker 3: Yeah, instead of waiting. Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. That
Speaker 3: mall there, My goodness, gracious you go bankrupt shopping in there.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, everything so expensive. But anyway, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: At what point did you you know, when you're listening
Speaker 3: to the podcast, and I assume at that point you
Speaker 3: start taking deeper dives maybe did you start to look
Speaker 3: deeper into Actually, let me preface it with this, had
Speaker 3: you question the moon landings prior to looking into this
Speaker 3: or is it something that never really came up on
Speaker 3: your radar.
Speaker 4: No, I was.
Speaker 5: I was pretty and let's say naive that I always
Speaker 5: just assumed that the government was there for us and
Speaker 5: they had our backs, and like, why would you lie
Speaker 5: about stuff like this?
Speaker 4: So no, I never never looked into it. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I don't know, just that never did didn't really I
Speaker 5: didn't question it. I didn't really like not question it either.
Speaker 5: I just okay, yeah, we went to the moon pool?
Speaker 4: You know? And would they lie?
Speaker 3: During your life prior to twenty twenty three, had you
Speaker 3: been privy to a conversation of somebody having or being
Speaker 3: in school, maybe it was junior high or high school
Speaker 3: being taught about gravity, those type of things were there
Speaker 3: any I guess what I'm asking is with a lot
Speaker 3: of people, were there were there seats planted at some
Speaker 3: point in your life but you just didn't really pay
Speaker 3: attention to them and you kind of filed them away?
Speaker 3: Or did it just all come at one time in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it came all at one time.
Speaker 5: I mean there's things that you're like, Okay, that doesn't
Speaker 5: really make sense, but I guess I'm not smart enough to.
Speaker 4: You know, have it make sense to me.
Speaker 5: So you just take that answer and okay, and then
Speaker 5: you move on and you know it's it's yeah, So
Speaker 5: it just came flooding.
Speaker 4: I guess you could say.
Speaker 3: How did it affect you? You know, we've heard stories,
Speaker 3: you know, the different levels of emotion that people experience.
Speaker 3: But was there a part when you said wow? A
Speaker 3: point I should say where you were like, my goodness,
Speaker 3: I think we've been lied to and for you, how
Speaker 3: how did that affect you know, forty some years of programming.
Speaker 4: Well, what wasn't like you in two weeks of not sleeping?
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 5: And I don't think I ever got angry. I think
Speaker 5: I just got I don't want to say it's it slowly?
Speaker 5: Was I was waking up slowly. I guess you could
Speaker 5: say even though it was happening very quickly, But I.
Speaker 4: Don't want to. I don't know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: It just went hmmm. I don't want to say that.
Speaker 5: I don't think there was anything specifically that was like
Speaker 5: the big aha moment.
Speaker 4: I remember one of my sons more so than mine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Can you re ask your question again? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Just basically, you know the transition from I guess if
Speaker 3: you want to put it in uh, you know, like
Speaker 3: movie terms, from going from blue pill to red pill,
Speaker 3: you know, living life one way and then you wake up,
Speaker 3: you know, at the age of you know, forty four
Speaker 3: and having to basically reprogram you. What was that? What
Speaker 3: was that like for you?
Speaker 6: It seemed like it wasn't as difficult, I think as
Speaker 6: I think it probably should have been, because things just
Speaker 6: started making so much sense that it was like, why
Speaker 6: didn't you think about this before?
Speaker 5: You know, it really just was a matter of that
Speaker 5: the wool coming out of your eyes, off your eyes
Speaker 5: and things just started clicking, and since everything is so connected,
Speaker 5: it just was like.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh, oh, okay, you know, well.
Speaker 5: Why doesn't why doesn't gravity? Like I think one of
Speaker 5: your first few episodes, you're talking about gravity holding water down,
Speaker 5: but butterflies are flying.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think a lot of it,
Speaker 5: the reprogramming, in a sense, was just a matter of
Speaker 5: we're being lied to and this stuff lines up with
Speaker 5: things that are being taught to us in the or
Speaker 5: not taut to us in the Bible, but things that
Speaker 5: are in the Bible and that we just glance over
Speaker 5: and move on. You know that there's so much in
Speaker 5: that that is It's like a lot of people said,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, I could do better job reading
Speaker 5: my Bible, but you definitely look at it differently. You
Speaker 5: read it differently, you walk outside differently, you know, you
Speaker 5: watch movies differently. Like everything's different and it's all over
Speaker 5: the place. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people don't like watching movies with me. I'm always
Speaker 3: going to Aha, look at that building number. It's thirty
Speaker 3: three or three two two, and they're just yeah, oh my.
Speaker 4: Gosh, yeah there's I.
Speaker 5: So if I can just pausitive conversation just for a second,
Speaker 5: Like so, this is the second time I was on
Speaker 5: a on a podcast. A few weeks ago, I was
Speaker 5: on the Firmamental podcast with Rabel and Alex, and I
Speaker 5: do have to say, I think it's so cool because
Speaker 5: when you took your break in the summer, because I
Speaker 5: was really only like mainly probably about ninety percent listening
Speaker 5: to Flatter Files and your fact Hunter, and then I
Speaker 5: was like, well, let's check out Firmamental and then I
Speaker 5: just started binging those guys. But to see how them
Speaker 5: being on your show, it's created another podcast in itself.
Speaker 5: And then they're branching off and they're doing great things
Speaker 5: on their their channel. But I'm like, it's all from
Speaker 5: George Hobbs. It's like he's the daddy, you know in
Speaker 5: a sense. And all these guys are coming all from
Speaker 5: all over the world being on this podcast, because I
Speaker 5: think Rabel's in New Mexico and Alex is in Canada
Speaker 5: and they're just you know what I mean. I think
Speaker 5: it's how your show is even just for them has
Speaker 5: built another show and then they have things that are
Speaker 5: branching off and stuff like that. So I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just wanted to bring that up that I think
Speaker 5: it is a very neat thing that you know, your
Speaker 5: your podcast has done some great things for the community.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many good podcasts folks who have been on,
Speaker 3: whether it be Scipio or the Fundamental Guys, or we
Speaker 3: have great substack authors Michelle sand which I think her
Speaker 3: name is, and flat Out Truth. There's so many people
Speaker 3: of course Flat Earth Dave and those folkolks who put
Speaker 3: out great content. And you know, one thing that I
Speaker 3: think that we all have in common is when we
Speaker 3: kind of use the term wake up, I think we
Speaker 3: become less interested in whether whatever things that we were into,
Speaker 3: whether it be sports or led Zeppelin or you know,
Speaker 3: those kind of things. And I think we kind of
Speaker 3: not totally walk away, but I think we want more
Speaker 3: truth and we look for that type of content. And
Speaker 3: we've been really blessed to have so many good podcasters
Speaker 3: and authors and you know writers and even movie you know,
Speaker 3: movie producers. Come on, We've had a couple, and it's
Speaker 3: so great to see that there are still a lot
Speaker 3: of people out there who are concerned with the truth,
Speaker 3: and most of them we also have that bond in
Speaker 3: the faith of Christ, which is so important.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that's amazing in itself too. On
Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's got it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I don't know eighty ninety percent of your people that
Speaker 5: have been on your show that have been a fallover Christ,
Speaker 5: you know, like there's a they're coming from that maybe
Speaker 5: they weren't before they got into the flat earth, and
Speaker 5: you know they've done that.
Speaker 4: And I just was listening to.
Speaker 5: Forget her name and start of the k but you know,
Speaker 5: she was saying about how she's gotten closer to God.
Speaker 5: And that's how many times have you heard that? You know,
Speaker 5: because that that goes for me too. You know, you're you're, you're,
Speaker 5: You're like, man, he's he's there.
Speaker 4: He's right there. So I think it's it's just a
Speaker 4: pretty neat thing.
Speaker 5: And it's where you get frustrated with people when you're
Speaker 5: like just freaking open up your eyes like it's all
Speaker 5: in front of you, like, don't watch TV, don't do
Speaker 5: all that stuff. But yeah, I mean, I used to
Speaker 5: listen to music all the time, and I hardly ever
Speaker 5: listen to it now. I am, you know, wy like
Speaker 5: I'm it's almost like you're addicted to finding the truth.
Speaker 5: And you know, sometimes you end up with a lot
Speaker 5: more questions than you to do have answers, and that's
Speaker 5: that's okay, you know, but and you.
Speaker 3: Know I and this is self reflective as well. I
Speaker 3: always say, don't think that you have all the answers right,
Speaker 3: because we don't. And you know, we'll get people who question, well,
Speaker 3: how can you prove this? Number one, Even if we
Speaker 3: can't answer something, that doesn't mean it should automatically revert
Speaker 3: to the globe, because there's nothing about the globe that
Speaker 3: makes sense whatsoever. But secondly, and I say this a lot,
Speaker 3: and again, I don't use this as a crutch. This
Speaker 3: is just the flat out truth is that if we
Speaker 3: as humans expect to think that we can decipher everything
Speaker 3: the way God created it, that's awful cocky of us, right,
Speaker 3: And you know the only thing that we can go
Speaker 3: by it is the book, and that's the Bible. And
Speaker 3: the Bible is certainly more of a flat earth with
Speaker 3: a firmament, with God looking down on his people versus
Speaker 3: spinning it one thousand and forty miles an hour hauling
Speaker 3: with the sun. It's you know, sixty six thousand. It's
Speaker 3: just that story doesn't add up for me.
Speaker 5: Now, and it's you know, I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 5: one of my silver bullets and we don't have to
Speaker 5: necessarily going to that now. But it's what's in the
Speaker 5: sky is what is like the stars year after year
Speaker 5: are in the same spot. And if we're doing all
Speaker 5: these acrobacks through space and we're you know what, spinning
Speaker 5: one thousand miles traveling sixty six thousand, and we're chasing
Speaker 5: the sun at five hundred thousand and the Sun's going
Speaker 5: you know whatever, it's like.
Speaker 4: How did these people how did you navigate.
Speaker 5: Before GPS by using the stars If the things were
Speaker 5: always moving. You know, It's like I can walk outside
Speaker 5: and you probably see the same like you can see
Speaker 5: a Ryan's belt in the sky generally in the same position.
Speaker 5: But if every day we're traveling, however many million miles
Speaker 5: through space, like I have a hard time wrapping my
Speaker 5: head around that the stars are still going to be there,
Speaker 5: Like it's right there, you know, the you know, it's
Speaker 5: just it's so when you see it, you're like, people wake.
Speaker 3: Up, yep. And that is the frustrating part I get.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to listen to me, right, you know,
Speaker 3: if we're having a conversation. If I'm waiting to pick
Speaker 3: up a pizza at the local shop and I see somebody.
Speaker 3: My daughters, she'll be fifteen this week. She thinks I'm
Speaker 3: crazy because I will talk to anybody anywhere. That's just
Speaker 3: the way. And I used to be real shy. That's
Speaker 3: probably something that the army, and when you get into
Speaker 3: leadership positions kind of you get past being shy. But
Speaker 3: I will, you know, I'll go I call it going fishing.
Speaker 3: I'll throw a few things out there and see how
Speaker 3: they respond. And I can usually tell if somebody has
Speaker 3: thought about these things before. I'm trying to come up
Speaker 3: with a creative way to get that. The one from
Speaker 3: seventy two, was it the lunar rover or whatever, the
Speaker 3: forty five million dollar JELAPPI that probably cost you know,
Speaker 3: four thousand dollars to throw together. But you can usually
Speaker 3: fish and find out if people are receptive or not.
Speaker 3: But there are people and even very close people in
Speaker 3: my life who just refuse to have the conversation, and
Speaker 3: even people who figured out that, yeah, the same as COVID.
Speaker 3: You know, that was overstepping. There wasn't something right about it,
Speaker 3: and that should be the almighty signal of then why
Speaker 3: are you blandly trusting them? And especially if you can
Speaker 3: fish somebody to see if they believe the moon landing?
Speaker 3: And I think the last stat and who knows with
Speaker 3: who who does these poles, but it was between fifty
Speaker 3: and sixty percent of Americans do not believe we ever
Speaker 3: went to the moon. And that's when you have to
Speaker 3: really imply, if man's greatest accomplishment what was a flat
Speaker 3: out lie, then why aren't we questioning everything?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, and I have have.
Speaker 5: That and I mean my two brothers I brought this.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure I'll have some the same things
Speaker 5: to say that I was on Funamental, But I talked
Speaker 5: about this a little bit that my I have an
Speaker 5: older brother and a younger brother, and for me, I
Speaker 5: think if I'm excited about something like I like to
Speaker 5: share it. And that was one of the things where
Speaker 5: I wanted to come on in to your podcast. Well,
Speaker 5: like you said from the beginning, you know, this is
Speaker 5: like a listener you know, motivated podcasts, and it's it's like, hey,
Speaker 5: let's come on, share a story, help the podcast, you know,
Speaker 5: add another tick to the episode. But I started bringing
Speaker 5: this up to them and they're, you know, the stereotypical
Speaker 5: you're crazy, Like what are you talking about? This is
Speaker 5: your stupid not necessarily stupid, but like are you getting
Speaker 5: this information from? And you know all that stuff, and
Speaker 5: they're so open and governmental things, you know, like not
Speaker 5: getting the JAB and all this stuff that I was like, man,
Speaker 5: this is gonna be great. I can talk to these
Speaker 5: guys about it. And they didn't want anything to do
Speaker 5: with it. Nothing, nothing. When I was bringing up nine
Speaker 5: to eleven, those two things, I mean, my younger brother,
Speaker 5: he's an.
Speaker 4: Airline pilot for a commercial airliner, you know.
Speaker 5: And I was like, man, this is gonna be so
Speaker 5: cool because he's a pilot, Like he's my brother. I
Speaker 5: can dude, like what's going on up there? Like here,
Speaker 5: look at this and nothing, nothing whatsoever. And we've I've
Speaker 5: sent them things before, some things they can't answer, and
Speaker 5: they ask me about things. I'm like, hey, man, I
Speaker 5: don't have all the answers, but I'm questioning these things
Speaker 5: and they're just kind of taking it for face value.
Speaker 5: And you know, my brother got pretty heated up the
Speaker 5: pilot one about nine to eleven because he's like, dude,
Speaker 5: that is you're disrespecting all the people that died.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not saying people didn't die. I'm just like,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: Think what the mainstream media is telling us happened, you know.
Speaker 5: And that was just a conversation that didn't really go anywhere.
Speaker 5: And you know, I was going into, hey, look this
Speaker 5: engine wasn't from that size plane.
Speaker 4: And I think I was initially going into the that
Speaker 4: no plane theory right right right, And you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know if I can buy into that, whether it's that,
Speaker 4: whether it's drones, but I mean the pilots flying those
Speaker 4: things into that. I was saying about you know, they
Speaker 4: were saying they were fine five hundred miles an hour,
Speaker 4: but if you look into it, like the planes would
Speaker 4: fall apart at that altitude, at those speeds. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: but you know, if you're going fast enough, it's going
Speaker 4: to penetrate I'm like, dude, it's a loom them. Man.
Speaker 5: I'm like, and you know, if you think about it,
Speaker 5: if if the fires on the towers were burning those
Speaker 5: that one the impact area faster, because that's where all
Speaker 5: the fuel's at, it would collapse that way first. That
Speaker 5: would be the weaker side than the other side. And
Speaker 5: when it comes pancaking down and like, what about Tower seven?
Speaker 5: And you know, it's just like that engine doesn't fit
Speaker 5: on that plane, This tire doesn't fit on this plane.
Speaker 4: They found the passport not burnt, you know.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm not saying things didn't happen, but
Speaker 5: this stuff doesn't make sense. But they don't bin into it.
Speaker 5: So I'm like my my airline pilot brothers. He's a
Speaker 5: poked the Bear kind of guy, and he's he knows everything,
Speaker 5: and he'll bring it up in our text message conversations,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, dude, don't bring it up if you
Speaker 5: don't want me to talk about it, don't you know.
Speaker 5: So I've just reserved to not discussing that with them.
Speaker 5: You know, that is I just I'm not wasting my time.
Speaker 5: I guess what you can what you can say.
Speaker 4: I'm not I've thrown it out there, but I'm not
Speaker 4: spending any more energy on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, and especially with family, like I
Speaker 3: understand the point to where you know, I'd rather just
Speaker 3: tap out, yeah than risk you know, having a tiff
Speaker 3: with my family members. Because listen, like we say it
Speaker 3: all the time, the truth is everyone's journey. And I
Speaker 3: think the more like a child, the more you try
Speaker 3: to force something on it, the more they're going to
Speaker 3: turn away from it.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, which I probably did in the beginning because,
Speaker 5: like I said, I was excited and I'm like, look
Speaker 5: at this, you know, and you know, it's just it.
Speaker 5: It just doesn't happen, and we don't talk about it,
Speaker 5: so which is kind of upsetting in a sense because
Speaker 5: I would love to talk to them more about this stuff.
Speaker 5: But I'm okay too. If they don't agree with me,
Speaker 5: I'm fine with that. And but they don't want to
Speaker 5: spend the time to look into anything either, you know,
Speaker 5: so it's like they already have their mind made up.
Speaker 5: Like the Pastor Lock and Denodle debacle thing, his mind
Speaker 5: was already made.
Speaker 4: Up before I absolutely started that thing, you know. So yep,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean good, good.
Speaker 3: No, no no, I didn't mean to cut you off.
Speaker 3: I thought you were done.
Speaker 4: No, that go ahead, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, that's why I don't
Speaker 3: get into these things like what Pastor Odelin Locke did,
Speaker 3: because that at the end of the day, they're usually
Speaker 3: more divisive than winning people over. Although at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I think, you know, Odell presented himself
Speaker 3: professionally and much more representative of a follower of Christ
Speaker 3: than Pastor Locke did, and I think he made himself
Speaker 3: look bad, And maybe he did inadvertently because if you
Speaker 3: just cut out that ninety minute presentation he did out
Speaker 3: of the four hours and twenty seven minutes of craziness
Speaker 3: which I emailed him and he ended up doing and
Speaker 3: posting just that the ninety minutes, it was a really
Speaker 3: good presentation. And I think one part that hit home
Speaker 3: was when people he had video clips of people who
Speaker 3: were atheists, and literally many of our listeners through finding
Speaker 3: Flat Earth they became Christians and that was pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 5: I agree, I mean, so, and even if we're wrong, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's nothing wrong with what you just said, right, yep,
Speaker 5: there's nothing wrong if they're becoming now you know, a
Speaker 5: follower of Christ Christian however you want. You know, some
Speaker 5: people don't like the label thing, you know, because some
Speaker 5: people have issues with the mainstream church, which I get,
Speaker 5: you know, but either way, but even if we're one
Speaker 5: hundred percent wrong, but now you have more Christians, there's
Speaker 5: nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And just a backpedal for a second. When I
Speaker 3: try to have the nine to eleven conversation with people,
Speaker 3: I show them the pictures of what a plane looks
Speaker 3: like after a bird strikes. Yeah, I'll put this on.
Speaker 3: Go to the flatter files website. Look at the blog
Speaker 3: post story from September twenty six, twenty seventeen. Pilot lands
Speaker 3: safely after bird strike destroys planes nose and the entire
Speaker 3: front of the plane is destroyed from a bird, from
Speaker 3: a bird. So and that's a seven thirty seven. So
Speaker 3: you know, I'll let you connect the rest of the dots.
Speaker 4: The listener. Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean it's just hey, I don't talk
Speaker 5: about it, but I mean.
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny.
Speaker 5: I will give a shout out to my mom because
Speaker 5: I went, I don't know, I was over her house
Speaker 5: one day and I had said, and I don't mean
Speaker 5: to say my brother's name, but I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: if you talked to him, and she's like, yeah, it
Speaker 5: might have been right after one of our conversations, and
Speaker 5: she said I was like, he says, he's telling you
Speaker 5: what I'm looking into.
Speaker 4: She's like, justin yours is not flat. She's like, where
Speaker 4: would all the water go?
Speaker 5: And my mom is what seventy two I think it is?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, mom, it's not like that, you know.
Speaker 5: And and she's a Christian and it was I had
Speaker 5: her doing like the sideways head tilt like uh, you
Speaker 5: know by the time we were done talking to things.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm not saying whether she's on board or not,
Speaker 5: but she's got my back on it. And she's like, hey,
Speaker 5: you know you're questioning things. Now you have me looking
Speaker 5: at things differently.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: She's I guess she could say she's probably opened to it,
Speaker 5: but She's never said to me like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 5: believe in the flat earth, but she likes that I'm
Speaker 5: looking into things, you know, on that. So we've had
Speaker 5: some interesting conversations and you know, I go over for
Speaker 5: breakfast and I'm like, I don't mean for my conversations
Speaker 5: always go to these conspiracy.
Speaker 4: Things, you know. But you know, the news is on
Speaker 4: while she's you know, at the house, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, really, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try my best. I know, everybody's seen the
Speaker 3: memes and the gifts, you know, uh, me promising my
Speaker 3: family not to talk about conspiracies at Thanksgiving dinner. At
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving dinner, there's the meme of Charlie And you know,
Speaker 3: I do my best, you know, especially family gatherings, just
Speaker 3: to keep it is, you know, how about those eagles
Speaker 3: and things like that, you know, if the opportunity arises.
Speaker 3: We do have a couple family members other than my
Speaker 3: wife who are in line and believe, you know, there
Speaker 3: is something amiss. And obviously, once again reverting back to
Speaker 3: the Bible, it talks about who's kind of in control
Speaker 3: of the earth, and you know he can't physically, you know,
Speaker 3: pick up a beer bottle and put it in your hand.
Speaker 3: He physically can't carry you to the strip club, you know,
Speaker 3: he do. He tries to manipulate through deception and temptation,
Speaker 3: right it. Look, look what he did to Jesus for
Speaker 3: forty days, and if he can do that to Jesus,
Speaker 3: just imagine what he's doing to.
Speaker 5: Us, right Yeah, And that's that's one of the big
Speaker 5: things that once all this stuff started coming out for me,
Speaker 5: I was like, it's almost like you can see this
Speaker 5: spiritual battle that's going on in the world right now,
Speaker 5: and it's like all the politics aside, and you're like
Speaker 5: it's all a show, you know, but there's like there's
Speaker 5: an evil power behind these this things that are going on,
Speaker 5: these movements that are happening in the world, the things
Speaker 5: that aren't making sense.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 5: Actually, my brother just sent me a screenshot saying about
Speaker 5: how the National Spelling Bee, I think, is now accepting
Speaker 5: the word woman has spelled w O M y n
Speaker 5: what as a correct way is being spelled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does that even mean?
Speaker 4: Well, that they don't have to spell the word man
Speaker 4: oh yn.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like really okay. According to the Oxford Dictionary,
Speaker 3: the spelling w O M a y N is a
Speaker 3: non standard spelling of women, adapted by some feminists in
Speaker 3: order to avoid the word ending men. My goodness, gracious,
Speaker 3: we're here. And by the way, you can even use
Speaker 3: an x w X if that. You know, man, what
Speaker 3: a weird How much of this stuff, like you know
Speaker 3: that the hot topic over the last week ten days
Speaker 3: have been the drones. How much of the stuff they
Speaker 3: push do you think is just nonsensical, you know, deception,
Speaker 3: just to keep everyone focused away from something else that's
Speaker 3: going on. Yeah, And how much of the stuff that
Speaker 3: goes on do you think is actually just a deeper
Speaker 3: deception that is meant to you know, control your emotions
Speaker 3: or to get you to think a certain way, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 5: I think there's I mean, my first thought was these drones,
Speaker 5: was you know, like a Project bluebeing thing going on?
Speaker 5: You know, are they just kind of testing the waters
Speaker 5: about an invasion or is.
Speaker 4: There something going on?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I saw something today about there was nuke's missing or
Speaker 4: something like that, But I don't know. I don't there's
Speaker 4: a part of me that.
Speaker 5: I've become less fearful of stuff like that now because
Speaker 5: of my research into these different things and seeing how
Speaker 5: like I said earlier, like everything's just tied together. But
Speaker 5: this initial flat earth. I like the idea of biblical
Speaker 5: cosmology too. I like that term. But we all know
Speaker 5: flat earth is the coin phrase or whatever. But you know,
Speaker 5: there's I've gotten this piece in me that's like, hey,
Speaker 5: they can do whatever.
Speaker 4: We know who's gonna win at the end.
Speaker 5: You know, we might have to go through some hell,
Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, they're all gonna
Speaker 5: lose that that evil side is gonna lose, that dark
Speaker 5: side's gonna lose. And I'm like, bring it, you know,
Speaker 5: like let's go. It's But I do think that is
Speaker 5: all a slight hand trick, you know, it's a deception.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, but I'm like, that's
Speaker 5: really weird. At all these drones people are seeing these
Speaker 5: things flying? Was it Jersey?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some in Manhattan and I guess there's been
Speaker 3: a few over a DC.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and over La Guardia Airport. I think that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I'm like my older brother, he he.
Speaker 5: Does like photography on the side, and I like on him.
Speaker 5: I guess you could say semi professional level whatever. But
Speaker 5: He's also does stuff with drones, and he has his
Speaker 5: no fly zones that he can't get into, you know,
Speaker 5: because things like this. So if you have all these
Speaker 5: drones flying by these airports, like government's got to know something.
Speaker 5: You know, They're not just letting these random you know,
Speaker 5: Joe Schmoe's fly their pilot these things close to airports.
Speaker 4: It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the White House sometime this afternoon came
Speaker 3: out and said that they knew what the reasoning why
Speaker 3: they were being used, and they were being used lawfully,
Speaker 3: but they wouldn't go into any further than that. But
Speaker 3: what was kind of interesting and that, you know, the
Speaker 3: world's like a movie and the story that hit this morning,
Speaker 3: maybe last night, but how the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Speaker 3: released a report today confirming that there were radioactive materials
Speaker 3: lost in transit to this shipping container that arrived damaged
Speaker 3: and empty in New Jersey. So to me, it seems
Speaker 3: like they're trying to play up. If you remember the
Speaker 3: Summer of the Sum of All Fears from twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: and they had that little tactical new go off in Baltimore,
Speaker 3: And the unofficial story is these drones. Apparently they have
Speaker 3: drones that can quote unquote sniff nuclear or radioactive things,
Speaker 3: and that's what they are using them for. And if
Speaker 3: you remember, actually the plot of the Sum of All Fears,
Speaker 3: it started out with the Young Kapor War in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy three and Israeli war plane carrying a nuclear bomb
Speaker 3: was shut down, it was recovered. There's two stories floating
Speaker 3: out there. One is Ukraine is missing eighty small, small
Speaker 3: tactical nukes, and then there's this story that this you know,
Speaker 3: shipping container arrived missing stuff. So to me, it sounds
Speaker 3: like they are trying to you know, and they and
Speaker 3: again they could use could just go back and look
Speaker 3: at August fourth, twenty twenty, the Libya explosion, and they
Speaker 3: could do something like that fertilizer and a few other
Speaker 3: things and simulate something that would scare the you know
Speaker 3: what out of people, and people would comply to whatever
Speaker 3: the government said to keep them safe.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but isn't it crazy how much movie stuff
Speaker 4: comes out? Though?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, The truth is they always tell us first, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's it's like, I don't know, sometimes try my
Speaker 5: family little nuts because you just see these things and
Speaker 5: you're like yeah, no, I don't. That's weird that they're
Speaker 5: going to do that. And I remember you, I'd never
Speaker 5: heard of that movie Contagia.
Speaker 4: So I was listening when.
Speaker 5: Your podcasts, and then I watched it and I was like,
Speaker 5: holy crap, like.
Speaker 3: That is that's how the scrip went down?
Speaker 4: Right, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: And then the ending, like when they're showing the how
Speaker 5: it all happened and it was like a bat and
Speaker 5: it was a pig and this person touched this person
Speaker 5: and it was like, oh, it was like it was crazy.
Speaker 5: And when was that twenty twelve or something like that
Speaker 5: that came out? Yep, yeah, I mean that's that's I
Speaker 5: enjoy watching movies now anymore, for those little subtle things
Speaker 5: like you know it's and yeah, and yeah there's some
Speaker 5: entertainment him too. But I almost look out like on
Speaker 5: Prime Where to Be or however you say, and like, oh,
Speaker 5: what's this and you know you'll see one I don't know,
Speaker 5: something about conspiracy theorists or something like that. And of
Speaker 5: course there's people always look wacky, right, even that was
Speaker 5: that two thousand and twelve movie?
Speaker 4: Is that one of those ones where the world was ending? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty twelve yep, yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know the is it whatdy Harrison Harrison
Speaker 5: or whatever was the crazy like guy on the van
Speaker 5: broadcasting from his little you know thing that the world
Speaker 5: is going to end, and you know, again, everybody looks crazy,
Speaker 5: but that's part of the programming on things too. But
Speaker 5: it's it's it's enjoyable and it makes me chuckle. But
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, some of that stuff is just so
Speaker 5: out there, and if it just to have the eyes
Speaker 5: or the ears, it's like, huh, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 4: Like I had one if you don't mind go into
Speaker 4: real quick.
Speaker 5: I did bring this up fernamental to anybody, my couple
Speaker 5: of friends I talked to about this stuff from my family.
Speaker 5: I think you might get a kick out of this too,
Speaker 5: because it was just the numbers.
Speaker 4: It was the show. It's on Prime. It's called oh gosh,
Speaker 4: what is it? And I have well I'm looking for that.
Speaker 5: I have been taking notes for probably like the last
Speaker 5: year and my half on my phone as I'm listening
Speaker 5: to the podcast, and all of a sudden, they're all deleted,
Speaker 5: like I deleted him somehow, and I'm like, oh, no, oh,
Speaker 5: I guess I'm not gonna have notes to go off
Speaker 5: of which might just work out better. And I'm a
Speaker 5: because I did that a little bit on fundamental. I
Speaker 5: think I was finally having somebody you could talk to
Speaker 5: where you weren't trying to convince them, and it was
Speaker 5: like like, just here's all my information. But anyway, it
Speaker 5: was from the Fallout series. It's on Prime. Are you
Speaker 5: familiar with that? And there's a video game about it too.
Speaker 3: Yes. I My son was just telling me about it.
Speaker 3: He said, it's, uh, it's really good. It's kind of
Speaker 3: one of these, uh you know, apocalypse type, post apocalyptic
Speaker 3: type of show. There's somebody a very good actor in it.
Speaker 3: He told me. The guy who usually does the TV
Speaker 3: shows with the guy on HBO that East Bounded Down
Speaker 3: guy I can't think of.
Speaker 4: I can't think of his name either. Better think, I
Speaker 4: know you're talking.
Speaker 3: But he's told me it's I haven't had a chance
Speaker 3: to watch it yet, but.
Speaker 5: I mean the main ladies they're Vaults thirty three, so
Speaker 5: they walk around with Earth three on their back, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Lucy, and then Walter Goggins is the guy I
Speaker 3: was trying to think of.
Speaker 5: H Yeah, yeah, So just I know you like these
Speaker 5: numerology whatever you want to say it is. But this guy,
Speaker 5: he I think it's the guy you were just saying,
Speaker 5: because he's like, I don't know, one of the main characters.
Speaker 5: But they kind of do these flashbacks back and forth,
Speaker 5: and they showed him that he was giving this tour
Speaker 5: in this vault, and he was like, this is vault
Speaker 5: number ninety six j Q eleven sixty four. And I
Speaker 5: wrote this down so I'm not just making those numbers up.
Speaker 5: But it was probably within the first four or five episodes.
Speaker 5: I don't remember exactly when, but I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: that's just a really random number.
Speaker 4: So I'm going through and I'm like.
Speaker 5: Ninety six, okay, well, Jay, what that's the tenth letter
Speaker 5: of the alphabet.
Speaker 4: Q's the seventeen, you know.
Speaker 5: And I'm like adding them up and I'm not getting anything,
Speaker 5: and I'm dividing them, you know, trying to get an average.
Speaker 5: Just I'm looking, you know what I mean, and if
Speaker 5: you pull your calculator up, I'll talk you through this.
Speaker 4: But I didn't find anything.
Speaker 5: So I was like, okay, So I unpaused the movie
Speaker 5: and they go and there's this family sitting there in
Speaker 5: this vault and he's like like they're like the test
Speaker 5: subjects kind of like, hey, we're gonna see all those
Speaker 5: vaultcals and.
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, we're from Vault four.
Speaker 5: So I did the same thing, right, So if you
Speaker 5: take your calculator and you take it was again it
Speaker 5: was ninety six JQ eleven sixty four. So it was
Speaker 5: ninety six plus J which is ten and then plus
Speaker 5: seventeen which is Q plus eleven plus sixty four, and
Speaker 5: then they're from Vault four. So you add four, right,
Speaker 5: what do you get two O two?
Speaker 4: Right? So the average of that, since there's six numbers there, right,
Speaker 4: divide that by six.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, thirty three point six sixty six.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, there's no freaking way that that is
Speaker 5: not intentional, you know. I was like, but it just
Speaker 5: blew me away. I was like, Oh, this is something
Speaker 5: I found, you know, So I wanted to share that
Speaker 5: again because I just you know, it's like it's so hidden,
Speaker 5: but it's also it's right there too, Like there's no
Speaker 5: way that just by chances, show that has all these
Speaker 5: post apocabal apocalyptic things, or you're going to come up
Speaker 5: with this random thirty three point sixty sixty six.
Speaker 4: You know. It just I thought it was pretty darn
Speaker 4: neat myself.
Speaker 3: It is it really isn't just looking when I googled
Speaker 3: that that show, there's thirty threes everywhere. Apparently there's a yeah,
Speaker 3: a Vault thirty three. And I'm not femi. I've never
Speaker 3: played the game. I've never either, so I guess I'll
Speaker 3: have to sit down sometime when I have time and
Speaker 3: check it out on Prime yeah, to see what.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's a lot of like we'd quotes in
Speaker 5: there that people are saying, like like we are the
Speaker 5: light in the darkness, and we'll carry on till we
Speaker 5: bring the light to the surface, you know. And what
Speaker 5: is the ultimate weapon to destroy your enemy? It's time
Speaker 5: the future of all humanity comes down to one word management.
Speaker 5: Like they're saying all these things in this show, you know,
Speaker 5: and it just if you I was really watching it
Speaker 5: because I was like, I want to see this stuff,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm looking for it. And I understand people
Speaker 5: can say, well, if you look for it, you're gonna
Speaker 5: find it, and I'm like, yeah, but you don't come
Speaker 5: up with.
Speaker 4: This number and these these things.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think if you look, if you want
Speaker 5: to watch it to see what things they're doing.
Speaker 4: It's not really a kids show.
Speaker 5: I think there's some pretty decent violence in there, you know.
Speaker 4: I don't remember if they're swearing whatever.
Speaker 5: But it's nothing I'm gonna sit down and watch with
Speaker 5: my kids, I guess, but I watched it on my own,
Speaker 5: so anyway, but.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. I did a quick check and
Speaker 3: the guy who's behind it, the executive producer, is John
Speaker 3: Athan Nolan, who is Christopher Nolan's brother. But uh Nolan
Speaker 3: is also the guy who did what was the show
Speaker 3: that kind of gave a flat earth Westworld. He was
Speaker 3: Behindbo's Westworld, which at the beginning of the show, they're
Speaker 3: looking down at, you know, this world that's covered by
Speaker 3: a dome.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I thought about that too. With like
Speaker 4: video games.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm sure they have only things that you know,
Speaker 5: certain things you can do, but there's a lot of
Speaker 5: these like video games that you can only fly so high,
Speaker 5: or you're gonna you can only go so far, you're
Speaker 5: gonna run into a mountain, you can't go any further.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like you're in a dome.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that's like proof of flat Earth or anything.
Speaker 5: But it just makes me kind of chuckle that that's
Speaker 5: the way they're some of these like like a Fortnite
Speaker 5: or Call of Duty things like that, Like you have limitations,
Speaker 5: there's boundaries, you can only go so far and then
Speaker 5: it doesn't let you go any further.
Speaker 3: But so, yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I'm looking on their
Speaker 3: web page. In each one of the vaults have different things.
Speaker 3: Vault four overseers are the great people who led our vaults,
Speaker 3: and their leadership helps us keep the candle of civilization lit.
Speaker 3: We chose overseers through free and fair elections. Our current overseer,
Speaker 3: Hank McLain, has served Vault thirty three with kindness, intelligence,
Speaker 3: and wisdom. And that really sounds like something a government
Speaker 3: official would say about another government official.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I just felt like there's a lot of things in
Speaker 5: that show, but that number one and some of those
Speaker 5: quotes really was like wow, like you could just hear
Speaker 5: that and not really think much about it. But I said,
Speaker 5: you know, with all these things that we just talked
Speaker 5: about as like, that number is just so random, I
Speaker 5: was like I got to figure something out with that,
Speaker 5: and lo and behold, I mean, it's there, but you know,
Speaker 5: the numbers. Thing is I think is you can get
Speaker 5: totally lost in that stuff though, because there's so much stuff.
Speaker 3: You can spend that a whole day. Yeah, because it's everywhere.
Speaker 3: And it's funny if you just go into Google and
Speaker 3: in this case, definitely use Google, you can put like
Speaker 3: thirty three in the search engine and they'll be at
Speaker 3: least five or six stories in the last twenty four
Speaker 3: hours that reference thirty three, like almost every single day
Speaker 3: of the year.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I even think that too.
Speaker 5: Going kind of circling back to nine to eleven too,
Speaker 5: like all those flights you have, what flight eleven, flight
Speaker 5: seventy seven, one seventy five, I mean there's thirteen there,
Speaker 5: United ninety three, which I think I sent you an
Speaker 5: email last last year about like Selima and Alistair probably
Speaker 5: and that's right, how that that kind of ties into
Speaker 5: them and stuff too, which okay, so yeah, one thing
Speaker 5: is one thing, but when you get okay, this one,
Speaker 5: this one, this one, you know, but yeah, it's just
Speaker 5: it's I I don't go into all that that much.
Speaker 5: I mean I did a little bit with like the
Speaker 5: Georgia gadstones, like some of the things there, and again
Speaker 5: it's your fault because you're like, okay, well what.
Speaker 4: Happened on this date?
Speaker 5: You know, and this dates significant because of this, and
Speaker 5: it was because it was.
Speaker 4: Like, okay, well it was dedicated on three twenty.
Speaker 3: Two, which is skull and Bones Day.
Speaker 4: Sculling bones raid. And then I wrote these things down
Speaker 4: to you. George W.
Speaker 3: Bush's birthday July sixth, and he was sculling bones.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then even just to go just a smidge
Speaker 5: and further on that, where was that at that He
Speaker 5: was thirty three when they opened. Bush was, and then
Speaker 5: he was also seventy six when they quote unquote exploded him.
Speaker 5: So seven and six you get your thirteen there, so
Speaker 5: it's like, okay, so it's three twenty two. He was
Speaker 5: thirty three when they opened. He was seventy six. I
Speaker 5: think they were built near Route seventy seven, I think,
Speaker 5: or something like that. You know, just too many little
Speaker 5: little things I think that were right.
Speaker 3: Well, one or two things are a coincidence, but when
Speaker 3: you have twenty or thirty it's certainly not. Yeah, agree, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right. He was thirty three. He didn't turn thirty
Speaker 3: four until three months later. That is interesting that's I
Speaker 3: don't remember that one. And yeah, the seven to six,
Speaker 3: it's just and if you look at the things that
Speaker 3: are written on there, it is kind of bone chilling,
Speaker 3: especially coming from the Skull and Bones folks who played
Speaker 3: a large park on nine to eleven, the killing of JFK,
Speaker 3: the fake moon landing, the quote unquote war on drugs
Speaker 3: that destroyed many cities, which they just made tougher laws
Speaker 3: and they brought the CIA brought more drugs into the city.
Speaker 3: And when they declare war on these things, it's an
Speaker 3: open checkbook, right, the warr on terror that's been going
Speaker 3: on for you know, twenty three years now, and the
Speaker 3: tens of trillions of dollars that they've spent to feed
Speaker 3: in their buddies pockets in the military industrial complex. Same
Speaker 3: with NASA, that the people who play along in the
Speaker 3: military industrial complex use the NASA funds to fill their
Speaker 3: pockets during the slow times because you can't really have
Speaker 3: NonStop war. You got to give the folks a break
Speaker 3: otherwise they might rebel so in quote unquote peace time,
Speaker 3: which we don't really have anymore. But still that's kind
Speaker 3: of the fallback money during peacetime. NASA.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they got to have the way to fund
Speaker 5: the black Ops. I mean, it wasn't that movie Blow
Speaker 5: I think with Johnny depp Win then Cia was running
Speaker 5: money or you know, cocine from Columbia whatever. And you know,
Speaker 5: so again, there's another movie that was based off a
Speaker 5: true story. If I'm not mistaken though, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: we know that happened, but I think it was portrayed
Speaker 5: is based on a true story.
Speaker 4: I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but yeah, you had America Gangster, American
Speaker 3: Gangster that showed how the drugs came in from Vietnam
Speaker 3: to the United States, and then you had American Made
Speaker 3: the next decade in the eighties where Barry Seals was bringing,
Speaker 3: you know, transporting drugs and guns between minaw Arkansas to
Speaker 3: Central America. And our government's been behind it the whole time.
Speaker 3: Our government, the government, I should say, is the biggest
Speaker 3: drug dealers in the world. And now they've even taken
Speaker 3: over the state governments have taken over being the drug dealer.
Speaker 3: It's been. It went from you know, meeting Johnny at
Speaker 3: the mall at three pm to score your dimebag to
Speaker 3: you know, paying one hundred and twenty five dollars and
Speaker 3: getting your what's it, the medical card, and it's just
Speaker 3: it's it's insane when you think about it. How many
Speaker 3: people they've put in jail over the last hundred years
Speaker 3: for it and now they're more than happy to distribute
Speaker 3: it as long as they get their cut.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And now I mean even walking to New York
Speaker 5: City and well, we were there in March of this
Speaker 5: year and it was like we took the the train
Speaker 5: from Harrisburg up to New York City. That was a
Speaker 5: pretty cool experience. But as soon as you walk out
Speaker 5: of the train, all as you smell is marijuana. And
Speaker 5: I was like, well, boys, if you don't know what
Speaker 5: it smells like this because they're just openly, you know,
Speaker 5: smoking weed out there. And I'm like, man, I remember
Speaker 5: my days. Man, you were not allowed to be on
Speaker 5: the street with that streuss you want to be I
Speaker 5: want to get caught with that stuff, you know, walking
Speaker 5: in the middle of the day smoking a joint like it.
Speaker 4: Just you know, things are things are a little bit different.
Speaker 4: Let's just say, but yeah, there's some of that stuff
Speaker 4: is so you just get away with it now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if someone would have told you thirty years ago
Speaker 3: back in like nineteen ninety four, all the things that
Speaker 3: would happen over the next thirty years, would you have
Speaker 3: believed it?
Speaker 4: No? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: No, it is interesting and it's going to continue to
Speaker 3: get more and more interesting, especially as you know January
Speaker 3: twentieth and the you know, I really think between Christmas
Speaker 3: and the end of January weren't for a few treats,
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 5: I I don't discredit anything anymore. Really, I don't want
Speaker 5: to say anything, but yeah, I have. I even back
Speaker 5: when the assassination attempts, you know, we don't have necessarily
Speaker 5: go into that we're going on. I'm like, well, I
Speaker 5: really hope Trump isn't kind of along with this and
Speaker 5: then getting more people behind him, get himself into office,
Speaker 5: and then six months in just be like, oh, just
Speaker 5: kidding boom, you know, and you're gonna just gonna do
Speaker 5: whatever I say.
Speaker 4: You know, I got this huge following.
Speaker 5: Now I'm here to save the country, and you know,
Speaker 5: there's just something uneasy there. You know, are they going
Speaker 5: to start award to keep the current administration in because
Speaker 5: you know I haven't probably well I haven't looked it up,
Speaker 5: But isn't there something that if there's something going on.
Speaker 5: They don't have to change presidents. I don't think so.
Speaker 3: But I mean it's been proven time and time again.
Speaker 3: They can pretty much do whatever they want. And you know,
Speaker 3: they could bring something to Congress and they could they
Speaker 3: could pass it, and you know, who knows what they
Speaker 3: have planned. And again, even with all the laws and
Speaker 3: constitutions and Bill of Rights and declarations of independences that
Speaker 3: we have, they still do whatever they want. They'll just
Speaker 3: they can do anything under the guise of an emergency
Speaker 3: and just freeze our rights. And that's that, that is
Speaker 3: the bottom line. And again it always comes under the
Speaker 3: guise of our safety, and they're looking out for us.
Speaker 3: It's our benefit. And even if they have to write
Speaker 3: us a check for twelve hundred dollars apiece to calm
Speaker 3: us down, they'll do that right to get to their
Speaker 3: end goal. But I hope after COVID and everything that's
Speaker 3: been happening in the last four years that when that
Speaker 3: next thing does happen, I hope people are prepared to
Speaker 3: look hard at what has been shown to us and
Speaker 3: not react immediately, take some time to think and discern
Speaker 3: and look at alternative media and other ideals before making
Speaker 3: a decision that could impact future like what we saw
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fortunately for us, none of us got jad that's all,
Speaker 4: you know. And it was.
Speaker 5: My wife was pretty close to you with her business,
Speaker 5: but it just we didn't have to do it. But
Speaker 5: it made me kind of think back to a conversation
Speaker 5: I have with one of my brothers. When you're saying
Speaker 5: that you're doing underneath the guys of our safety. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: just like us not allowed to go to Antarctica, right,
Speaker 5: that's right. And my brother said, I was like, you know,
Speaker 5: we can't go there. He's like, you can go there.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you can go to like what Deception Island
Speaker 5: and Rosshot Island? Yeah, for an expensive fee.
Speaker 4: And I laugh on my weather app because I looked
Speaker 4: it up one time, but every time I click my
Speaker 4: weather app, schedule your trip to go to Antarctica.
Speaker 5: But he's like, well, yeah, well it's too cold to
Speaker 5: go there. And I'm like, so what, Well, people can
Speaker 5: die there. Don't want to let you go there for
Speaker 5: your safety. And I'm like, well, don't people die on Everest?
Speaker 5: Like isn't there still bodies on the mountain as landmarks
Speaker 5: of you? Know, so I'm like, that doesn't compute in
Speaker 5: my mind. You know, there's a reason that at treaty.
Speaker 5: How much longer is that going on to the twenty forty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's twenty forty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that our treaty.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, it's been brought up, you know,
Speaker 5: on your show and many many others that you have
Speaker 5: all these nations that are you know, enemies of each other,
Speaker 5: but they all agree on this thing and it all
Speaker 5: just right.
Speaker 4: Around NASA was formed and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: So it's just it's all it's all kind of entertaining
Speaker 5: when you can kind of see it and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: the government is not out for our best interest. They're
Speaker 5: they're not. They're they're in it for selling their sould
Speaker 5: with the devil, so to speak for some of them,
Speaker 5: and you know, fame and fortune for here on their
Speaker 5: time on earth. And I'm like, eh, man, you guys
Speaker 5: can can keep it. I just want to put a
Speaker 5: wall up around my property. And we tried to do
Speaker 5: a little bit of homesteading here too. We try to
Speaker 5: watch what we need and can and you know some
Speaker 5: of the things you that you do as well. It's
Speaker 5: funny because I feel like I know you because I've
Speaker 5: listened to you for so much, but we're just actually
Speaker 5: first time talking really.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's like, just leave me alone. I
Speaker 4: don't want, I don't need anything from you. Guys.
Speaker 5: Just we go to our local place and we get
Speaker 5: a whole or a raw milk. We just started doing
Speaker 5: that here not too long ago.
Speaker 3: Delicious, huh it is.
Speaker 5: It's and we had to buy a gallon from the
Speaker 5: store for Thanksgiving because we didn't want to give the
Speaker 5: rest of the we are mostly want to get.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, We're like, we're not giving you our good milk.
Speaker 4: And our kids tried it and they're like, that tastes
Speaker 4: so watered down, and I'm like, yeah, it's so much
Speaker 4: more feeling. But you know, they kill the family. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what it should be.
Speaker 5: And her family was some of her family members were like,
Speaker 5: you know, there's a reason they pasteurized it. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: back when they came up with it, everything was so unsanitary, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it made sense, but now everything's stainless. Still, it's got
Speaker 5: to be clean, you know, you're not just you know,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. There's different weird now.
Speaker 3: We have proper containers. We have a refrigeration and and
Speaker 3: everything as much. And that's a lot of people will
Speaker 3: claim the polio shot and this and that and everything.
Speaker 3: Ninety five percent of the reason why people are more
Speaker 3: healthy today sands vaccines is due to the cleanliness and plumbing,
Speaker 3: like indoor plumbing and washing your hands and those type
Speaker 3: of things are really the reasons why you know, you know,
Speaker 3: people don't die from dysentery anymore like they did on
Speaker 3: the Oregon Trail, right right, But yeah, they want to
Speaker 3: claim that it's Bill Gates and the polio shots and
Speaker 3: everything else. Getting back to what you mentioned earlier, the
Speaker 3: Antarctic Treaty will expire in twenty forty eight. The actual
Speaker 3: true working according to this article, it actually comes up
Speaker 3: for review in twenty forty eight. So like the moon landing,
Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll kick it down the curb for another
Speaker 3: twenty five years and it'll be extended to not you know,
Speaker 3: twenty seventy three or something. You know that is a
Speaker 3: secret that they cannot like. Again, you can go to
Speaker 3: the very tip of Antarctica and guided trips and you
Speaker 3: can you know, pet the the you can see the
Speaker 3: seals and the penguins and you know, the whales and
Speaker 3: those type of things. But you're not getting anywhere near
Speaker 3: the firmament, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm yeah. And where else where else can you not?
Speaker 4: I mean aside from you know, hey, you're you're not
Speaker 4: allowed in this country, like you know, the Borderers shut down.
Speaker 4: But those people in those countries you can, you know,
Speaker 4: pretty much go where you want. But there's that one
Speaker 4: place in there is because they're concerned about us dying
Speaker 4: out and then they're gonna have to send people to
Speaker 4: go get us, and that might cause more people to die.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, but they do that anyway.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know it's in the military over for
Speaker 5: some rescue, some hostage chintzes are as. Some of those
Speaker 5: are going to die, you know, it's it's I don't know,
Speaker 5: but anyway, I know I can go down some off
Speaker 5: topic things here.
Speaker 3: But even the North Pole, I think they're all guided
Speaker 3: as well. And actually I think most of those excursions
Speaker 3: are through Russia, but they're all guided, and I haven't
Speaker 3: really looked into it until recently. And it's kind of
Speaker 3: like the South Bowl, like yeah, you can go, but
Speaker 3: it's only possible through specialized expeditions which may you you
Speaker 3: got to pay your twenty thirty thousand and you'll get
Speaker 3: taken to certain parts on the ship and once again
Speaker 3: you'll get your photo wops and you'll be able to
Speaker 3: tell your family, Hey, I went to the North Pole.
Speaker 3: But you really don't have freedom.
Speaker 4: To explore, no, and you got to ask yourself why
Speaker 4: that's right?
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I think that'd be a great time
Speaker 3: to touch on your six silver bullets.
Speaker 4: Sure some of them, I mean, are are have been said.
Speaker 4: But like I said earlier, the stars.
Speaker 5: You know that skyclock that's up in the sky for us,
Speaker 5: it is so I can't wrap my head around why.
Speaker 5: I didn't ever think, why is these lights? And oh
Speaker 5: they're so far away, but they're still in the same spot.
Speaker 5: You know, they don't move, they don't change.
Speaker 4: You know, the.
Speaker 5: Pyramids, the Georgia, Goadstones, you know all these old sites
Speaker 5: were all.
Speaker 4: Lined up with the stars or the I don't know.
Speaker 4: You you can call them quote unquote planets, right.
Speaker 5: I was sitting in a church the other day and
Speaker 5: I have one of the Bible apps, and on the
Speaker 5: King Jane version, I typed in the word planets and
Speaker 5: it came up only one time in the whole Bible.
Speaker 4: But then when you look.
Speaker 5: At the like the Hebrew version or the Hebrew wording
Speaker 5: of it, it was like constellation, you know. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: there's nowhere in the Bible that says planet and meaning that,
Speaker 5: you know. And then even thinking, could you hear the
Speaker 5: people that say that, well, when we look at the
Speaker 5: moon in the sun, it's it's a certain so we're
Speaker 5: a circle, right, which again to me that carries no
Speaker 5: value on anything. But at the same time, if these planets,
Speaker 5: like you see that bright star in the sky, Oh
Speaker 5: that's stupid or whatever, Well, that gassy ball is reflecting
Speaker 5: light that's brighter than any star that's out there, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like, we don't reflect light back
Speaker 5: into space like that.
Speaker 4: Right, right, you know what I mean. So it's like.
Speaker 5: And and the Bible like they tell us that the
Speaker 5: stars are these suns, right, their own suns and their
Speaker 5: own this. But the Bible only says that there's one
Speaker 5: sun and the sun. You create the sun, the moon
Speaker 5: and the stars as well, I think, is what it says.
Speaker 5: So there's got to be a point for us where
Speaker 5: like and that's where I probably have the problem sometimes
Speaker 5: with churches, like where do you draw the line at that.
Speaker 5: I'm going to read what the Bible says, and then
Speaker 5: I'm also going to believe what Signs is saying too,
Speaker 5: because if the science, if the Bible is saying, there's
Speaker 5: a ferment like if you're following all this stuff, but
Speaker 5: there's some point where you're crossing over Man's word and
Speaker 5: signs and what we're being taught from that, you know
Speaker 5: what I meanely, it's it's to me, it's got to
Speaker 5: be either an all or none thing.
Speaker 4: You can't mixed it in there. And even my pastor
Speaker 4: and I hear him saying things like like the universe
Speaker 4: and all these planets and you know, and then and
Speaker 4: they say it being like how God was so great
Speaker 4: in creating this vast universe for us that we don't
Speaker 4: even understand. But I really like that idea that doing
Speaker 4: part of that. As the.
Speaker 5: Universe is ever expanding, that's in a way of them
Speaker 5: getting us further away from God. Where if you're honest,
Speaker 5: you know, and closed, you know, stationary realm whatever you
Speaker 5: want to call it, plane, and God's above the firmament,
Speaker 5: Like then okay, He's right there. So then if he's
Speaker 5: looking down on us like grasshoppers, and maybe he's a
Speaker 5: little bit closer and maybe might think about what you're
Speaker 5: going to do before you choose to do something that
Speaker 5: you shouldn't be doing, because he's a lot closer than
Speaker 5: what we think he would be. So I think for me,
Speaker 5: like when I look at the what's going on with
Speaker 5: the sun, the stars, the moon, and like that is
Speaker 5: just it intrigues me so much that I'm like, none
Speaker 5: of the mainstream stuff makes any sense to me when
Speaker 5: you look at it that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I couldn't agree more and that that has
Speaker 3: been a point of contention for me for a long time.
Speaker 3: And you know, anything a pastor says from behind that pulpit,
Speaker 3: he should be able to sighte with with something from
Speaker 3: the Bible, and a lot of the things that they
Speaker 3: talk about you just can't, especially if you want to
Speaker 3: talk about this. You know, it's interesting you had mentioned
Speaker 3: that the word planet was one time. I don't remember
Speaker 3: ever seeing that word planet in the Bible. Do you
Speaker 3: remember what book it was in.
Speaker 5: I think it was in Second Kings. I can look
Speaker 5: it up here on the fly as we're doing this too,
Speaker 5: because it was not too long ago. I did that
Speaker 5: because I think the pastor and he's a great guy.
Speaker 5: He knows this stuff, and you know, I have no
Speaker 5: qualms about it, but I know he's definitely not a
Speaker 5: flat earther. Second Kings twenty three to five. It says
Speaker 5: he put down the idolatrous priests whom the King of
Speaker 5: Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places
Speaker 5: of cities of Judah and in the places round about
Speaker 5: Jerusalem Jerusalem. And also that burned incense onto ball, to
Speaker 5: the Sun, to the moon, into the planets, and to
Speaker 5: all the hosts of the heavens.
Speaker 4: So when I do that.
Speaker 5: And I click on planets maz lot, I think it
Speaker 5: is what it says, or twelve signs or constellations is
Speaker 5: what that means. So you know, it's twelve signs going
Speaker 5: into your what astrology stuff as well or constellations. So
Speaker 5: it doesn't even and that's in the King James version
Speaker 5: on that, but I don't even think that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I'm looking at it now the KJV.
Speaker 3: Just it's interesting that it's in the same sentence as
Speaker 3: Bell right.
Speaker 4: Right, that that varium and aluminum that they're spraying too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, B A and A L.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, he question for you, well, not to go
Speaker 5: too side tracked from the bullets here. But again, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: this is the way my mind works. So the chemtrails
Speaker 5: and it is. I do bring these up to my kids.
Speaker 5: Even we were in Baltimore a couple weeknds ago, and
Speaker 5: my gosh, it was so criss crossy yesterday. Oh I
Speaker 5: was like, my gosh, it was insane. But there's contrails though, right, yes, right,
Speaker 5: And those are the ones that are just they're short
Speaker 5: and they disappear. They're not the ones that go across
Speaker 5: the whole sky.
Speaker 3: Right right, right. Contrails are like the liquid or I
Speaker 3: should say, you know, from the actual engine, and they're
Speaker 3: much thinner, and they dissipate within five or ten minutes
Speaker 3: some of the cam trails we get here. And by
Speaker 3: the way, it's the word contrails. A Ward Cleaver used
Speaker 3: it one of the Leave of to Beaver episodes, so
Speaker 3: you know, that has been a thing for a long
Speaker 3: long time. But it's it's a trail and it dissipates
Speaker 3: and it's gone. However, camtrails here in Delaware, I've seen
Speaker 3: them around for a couple hours. Yeah, and they get wider.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, and it's like you can almost see them spraying.
Speaker 5: It looks like, you know, like one of those biplanes
Speaker 5: that are going to go over your crops this spring.
Speaker 5: You know, it's and I don't, I don't, I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't know even how that works. If they fly
Speaker 5: special planes. I don't think the pilots are up there
Speaker 5: hitting a button. Could there be something pre programmed into it?
Speaker 5: Or do they use special planes? You know, I don't
Speaker 5: know about it. But when you see that long stretch
Speaker 5: going across, you like, that's not that's not natural. That's yeah,
Speaker 5: it's certainly not on there, you know, onto that Uh,
Speaker 5: let's go the second one. Back to that one there. So,
Speaker 5: and I think scripture is probably the biggest thing that
Speaker 5: I have to say. It's really what concrete things into
Speaker 5: me for me on that so, and I think Christians
Speaker 5: should be the easiest people to talk to about this
Speaker 5: stuff because you're like, hey, if it's in the Bible
Speaker 5: and if we're reading it for what it says, then it.
Speaker 4: Should be there. But you would think you would think, right, So,
Speaker 4: I mean, but I think that that is also one
Speaker 4: of the biggest things that Satan uses to discredit, but
Speaker 4: the Bible is to tell us it's a globe and
Speaker 4: you know we're moving, and you know, like all those
Speaker 4: things onto that another one. I really like her those
Speaker 4: crepuscular if I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That right, crazy yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they're so beautiful yep, but it's I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm not a math scientist or whatever, but I'm like
Speaker 5: those a razor coming through the cloud. Like you can
Speaker 5: see them going back to like a focal point, like
Speaker 5: like a pyramid. You know, they're going to that top,
Speaker 5: and the rays continue to get wider the further away
Speaker 5: they go. So if it was ninety three million miles away,
Speaker 5: then you think you would only see like one you
Speaker 5: wouldn't see anything. I guess right, it would just be
Speaker 5: like one beam. But then you have this, I mean,
Speaker 5: even if you just google that, there's pictures where it's
Speaker 5: a cloudy day and then you have like little spots
Speaker 5: on the ocean where the sun's just coming straight down
Speaker 5: or not straight down, maybe at an angle or whatever,
Speaker 5: or it's just like a big sun burst coming through
Speaker 5: the clouds. And I'm like, even just to me, that
Speaker 5: one thing right there, if if if I could say
Speaker 5: one thing is false, then to me, I have to
Speaker 5: question the rest of it. Right, I'm going to lie
Speaker 5: to you one time, then you're gonna question everything I
Speaker 5: say to you. So if just doing that, and then
Speaker 5: I'm like, there's no way that is that far away
Speaker 5: and there's razor like that, it's I don't know how
Speaker 5: close it is, right, I don't know how high it is,
Speaker 5: but it's not ninety three million miles away, no way.
Speaker 4: And the moon is not reflecting that light.
Speaker 3: Right, That's that's the most ridiculous thing out of all
Speaker 3: of the numbers and stats and theories out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what the moon is, right.
Speaker 5: I've heard the whether that the negative or whatever about
Speaker 5: the picture of Earth up on the moon, and you know,
Speaker 5: I've seen things where people are like, well, here's US
Speaker 5: and America or you know, Africa and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just kind of laughed at I'm like,
Speaker 5: this dusty rock, this powdery substance is reflecting enough light
Speaker 5: that I can walk around at ten o'clock at night
Speaker 5: and not need flashlight like that doesn't. But again, the
Speaker 5: Bible says, you know, what is it revelations or something
Speaker 5: that the moon will not give off her own light.
Speaker 5: You know, again, I got a ticket for what it
Speaker 5: says or that's right or not. But but yeah, I
Speaker 5: think those rays are pretty amazing. One thing that kind
Speaker 5: of made me chuckle about another bullet point is that
Speaker 5: if Google and YouTube are telling me it's archaic, then
Speaker 5: maybe I'm uh, maybe I'm I'm.
Speaker 3: Right, that's right. If the fact checkers tell you you're wrong,
Speaker 3: you're onto something. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I like a lot of people said too about you know,
Speaker 5: seeing too far horizon always being level. I like that
Speaker 5: idea that if you were on a ball, the higher
Speaker 5: you would go, the further you would have to look down,
Speaker 5: versus you could be up thirty five forty thousand feet
Speaker 5: in the air and look out your window and the
Speaker 5: horizons there. And that only happens because a flat plane,
Speaker 5: you know, it is the further you look out onto.
Speaker 3: That The entire concept of lying on a spinning ball
Speaker 3: that is hurtling through space is quite absurd. Yeah, when
Speaker 3: you sit down and think about it, I.
Speaker 5: Asked my brother that, I was like, do you tip
Speaker 5: the nose down and your plane every few seconds? Because
Speaker 5: if not, I mean, if you just take a tennis
Speaker 5: ball and you take your hand and you start at
Speaker 5: one place and you fly in a straight line. Eventually
Speaker 5: you're going out into space. Right, you know, it's it's
Speaker 5: and people have done the number of calculations. Well, if
Speaker 5: they're traveling at five hundred miles an hour, then I
Speaker 5: think over like every minute they would have to drop
Speaker 5: like I don't know, a couple hundred thousand feet, and
Speaker 5: like you would feel that noticeable altitude difference.
Speaker 3: What was his reply to that when you mentioned that
Speaker 3: to him?
Speaker 4: Uh? Nothing nothing, just kind of nothing. Yeah, no answer.
Speaker 5: The same thing was like when I asked about the
Speaker 5: stars and how they're staying in the same spot. I
Speaker 5: don't get any responses for that. But you know, because
Speaker 5: he had said to me about well, he's like, their's
Speaker 5: not flat. I can see it from forty five thousand feet.
Speaker 5: And I was like, so, then you go to the
Speaker 5: Felix Bombguard, Red Bull jump right, And I ended up
Speaker 5: watching the video.
Speaker 4: I sent it to them.
Speaker 5: I don't even know if they watched it, but I
Speaker 5: sent him a screenshot when he first opened up like
Speaker 5: that capsule door yep, and it's a perfectly flat horizon
Speaker 5: until he starts stepping out and then things start going
Speaker 5: cady wonky. You know, the horizon inverts on itself and
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. But I was like, this guy's twenty
Speaker 5: some miles up. I was like, but you can't see it.
Speaker 5: You can see it from where you're at. But even
Speaker 5: if you google this, I did this on a trip
Speaker 5: out to Pittsburgh. And if you go to Google and
Speaker 5: you say how high do you have to be to
Speaker 5: see the curve, it's thirty five or forty five thousand feet.
Speaker 5: It's flying altitude, is what Google says. That's the official thing.
Speaker 5: But then you got neildograss Tyson saying.
Speaker 3: He couldn't see it, Bmgardener couldn't say it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And then that was another point here too,
Speaker 5: And I wish I could make these shorter. You know,
Speaker 5: your elevator, right, but about all these points that numbers
Speaker 5: we kind of touch based on this, but not having
Speaker 5: these pictures of Earth that are real. And now that
Speaker 5: Neil de grass is saying that where this oblate spheroid,
Speaker 5: this this kind of compressed ball, you know, where it's
Speaker 5: fatter in the middle. It's not a perfect circle like
Speaker 5: all the pictures that we get right from space stations
Speaker 5: from space or whatever, like everything is a ball, perfectly circle,
Speaker 5: but now it's getting changed, you know, and it's it's like, okay, really.
Speaker 3: Isn't it interesting? We don't have a picture of Earth
Speaker 3: from space, but we get pictures from Mars every other day?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of people say, too,
Speaker 5: why don't they just turn that around and show with
Speaker 5: somebody on a boat in Australia upside down?
Speaker 4: That would shut all of us up. I think, right right,
Speaker 4: you could like, hey, here's here's Justin driving in his
Speaker 4: car up and Pennsylvania and we're going to zoom outain
Speaker 4: zoom back in, and here's you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: whoever fighting with a kangaroo upside down.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just it makes me laugh. But yeah,
Speaker 5: so I think those are for me my bullet points
Speaker 5: on there.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, really well done. And we are we're already
Speaker 3: at an hour twenty and we only have a few
Speaker 3: minutes left. So if there was anything else that you
Speaker 3: wanted to cover that we hadn't had a chance to
Speaker 3: talk to yet, and that would be a great time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me before we record, I have a short story.
Speaker 5: So I've only talked to a couple of people outside
Speaker 5: of the immediate family about flat Earth. The first two
Speaker 5: guys were part of my like Bible study, and I
Speaker 5: was just like, I gotta what do I do with
Speaker 5: this information? I asked him to stay afterwards, and the
Speaker 5: one guy was like, well, I've never heard anybody coming
Speaker 5: at this from a Christian perspective.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, here's Shorge Hobbs, like listen to him.
Speaker 5: And the other guy was like, well, what's I don't
Speaker 5: get what's the big deal even if it is or isn't.
Speaker 5: But in that church, one of my my friends, and
Speaker 5: I'm want to give a shout out to their family
Speaker 5: here quick. The Stogner's to get Chris and Heather and
Speaker 5: Dylan and Lily like, they're all into this kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: But my from having that RV ride that I was
Speaker 5: talking about in the beginning and having the flat Earth
Speaker 5: files up on my phone, somehow it came up in
Speaker 5: conversations with one of my sons and Dylan that his
Speaker 5: mom was what was listening to the flat Earth files.
Speaker 5: But there's like somebody else that's in my church just
Speaker 5: listening to this, you know. So I was like, well,
Speaker 5: we got out to meet and of course, you know
Speaker 5: when we meet, we're good friends, and you know, we
Speaker 5: don't get to hang out a lot.
Speaker 4: But we talked.
Speaker 5: But they had asked me to ask you some questions here, listener,
Speaker 5: Dylan wants to know if the fire, if fire needs
Speaker 5: oxygen and space has no oxygen, how is the sun burning?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another great point, and that is something that
Speaker 3: you'll see the memes and that almost every flat Earth
Speaker 3: reddit that's out there. That's one of the main topics
Speaker 3: that honestly doesn't come up a whole lot here, which
Speaker 3: is within the bullet points and things of that nature.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of things that people whose names
Speaker 3: end with PhD or start with PhD whatever talk about
Speaker 3: those type of things, but they don't make sense and
Speaker 3: they don't apply to outer space. How this burning sun
Speaker 3: which everything here takes oxygen. Obviously, if you want to
Speaker 3: put out a fire, you know, you just take away
Speaker 3: the oxygen. If you want to get it going, you know,
Speaker 3: we if you get your fire gone, we blow it
Speaker 3: once we get the little kindling going and it gets going.
Speaker 3: So again, I also do believe that falls into that
Speaker 3: we don't really know how it operates or what it is,
Speaker 3: because again I think that falls under to the cockiness
Speaker 3: of it, because all we can do is look up
Speaker 3: and guess right, you'll get Neil de Grest Heyssen and
Speaker 3: these type of people who will gladly explain to you
Speaker 3: exactly what it is. But the fact is, you know,
Speaker 3: to the same people who say they know exactly what's
Speaker 3: in the center of the earth, you know, the core
Speaker 3: of the earth, and this and that, it's all a misnomer.
Speaker 3: The deepest hole is like eight or nine miles I think, right,
Speaker 3: and Russia yeah, And it's just I'm all down with theories.
Speaker 3: And this is where it goes back to the education
Speaker 3: system to where it needs to be more critical thinking.
Speaker 3: And what do you think, Johnny, what do you think, Charlie?
Speaker 3: What do you think? Janet? And give them a week
Speaker 3: to study and hypothesize and then come back and bring
Speaker 3: it to the teacher. Well is it a possibility? You know,
Speaker 3: it could be this, and that's what it is. But
Speaker 3: when science is dead is when they tell you they
Speaker 3: have the answer. That's when science ends, when people stop
Speaker 3: challenging the official narrative.
Speaker 5: All right, and I right now for my job I
Speaker 5: do some handy man work, and I have one guy
Speaker 5: that I we get into conversations, but he's a big
Speaker 5: space guy. And I learned that, like he's national geography.
Speaker 5: He loves things about the sun. He's probably actually one
Speaker 5: of the few people and I know that knows how
Speaker 5: far the sun is, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 5: knows it. So he's like I've always been fascinated with
Speaker 5: the stuff. And I mean, he pays me, so I
Speaker 5: don't really like, I'm not going to go into the subject,
Speaker 5: but we go into things which I that to me
Speaker 5: would almost more of a fact hunderd thing. But going
Speaker 5: into these old world buildings and all this stuff that's
Speaker 5: probably more where I'm where I'm at right now, all
Speaker 5: these buildings, yeah, and all that even in America, Like
Speaker 5: why why why are in the eighteen fifties?
Speaker 4: What happened? You know? And I guess I don't want
Speaker 4: to go down that rabbit hole, but I'm like, there.
Speaker 5: Still looks to be another floodish flood type of thing
Speaker 5: that happened because things are buried and we're digging out
Speaker 5: and these why would you move into San Francisco and
Speaker 5: build this big old stain in asylum before you would
Speaker 5: build your own house.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: It's just that's kind of where I'm at right now.
Speaker 5: But anyway, back to this guy, Well, we'll have conversations
Speaker 5: like this while I'm working. But he's like, did you
Speaker 5: know and I don't remember the number? And he's like
Speaker 5: that the sun burns I don't know one hundred million
Speaker 5: tons of fuel a second. I'm like really, I'm like,
Speaker 5: how do they know that? He's like, I don't know
Speaker 5: what they told me, Like, did they get a satellite
Speaker 5: that close that they can determine?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: He's like, I don't know. Man, He's like that's He's like,
Speaker 5: there's just smarter me. And I was like, man, that
Speaker 5: is such the exact like response, that is the one
Speaker 5: you have.
Speaker 3: That that is what keeps people's cognitive dissonance at Bay
Speaker 3: when they just default to they're smarter than me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then so that's where I'm kind of you know,
Speaker 4: he'll bring a couple of things. I'm like, I wonder
Speaker 4: why that is. I wonder how they know that. So
Speaker 4: it's like I'm not even going into any of this
Speaker 4: because again he's he's giving me money.
Speaker 5: Right absolutely work for it. I'm not and most of
Speaker 5: the people I work with, it's they're an elderly or
Speaker 5: widowed or whatever, but you know, they can't do some
Speaker 5: of the stuff that they used to be able to do.
Speaker 5: And that's where I come into play. But I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm not even going into that subject, but I'm like
Speaker 5: dropping little things there. Back to another question here, Heather
Speaker 5: was asking, I guess there was a video about an
Speaker 5: astronaut that took his glove off in space, but she
Speaker 5: can't find the video anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't did you hear anything about that.
Speaker 3: Took their glove off in space? I heard something to
Speaker 3: the effect, Am I thinking of the same thing? Hold on,
Speaker 3: let me see, because I know there was one Tales
Speaker 3: of the Weird from October twenty six, twenty twelve. Is
Speaker 3: this the same one? I think this is the one
Speaker 3: that was highlighted on National Graphic. No, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if this is the one. Now, was it the ed
Speaker 3: White video?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, to be honest with you.
Speaker 5: I area my buddy christ just sent me to some
Speaker 5: text messages about this. But I guess I thought I
Speaker 5: might have heard somewhere somebody had a hole in their glove.
Speaker 3: Because according to the official narrative. Obviously, if you take
Speaker 3: the glove off, you're dead. That because they're clicked on,
Speaker 3: according to NASA, and the entire suit would depressurize and
Speaker 3: you'd be vaporized in a nano second, according to their
Speaker 3: official narrative. Now, there was a story from two thousand
Speaker 3: and seven that I see here on space dot com,
Speaker 3: every flat earther's favorite website, where there was a damaged
Speaker 3: space suit that ended a spacewalk early. Let me see
Speaker 3: if this is the one. So no, this is just
Speaker 3: that there was a tiny hole in the vectoran layer
Speaker 3: of the left spacesuit glove thumb at the four hour
Speaker 3: mark him to suck you out. I'll have to I'll
Speaker 3: have to keep an eye out for that. I don't recall.
Speaker 3: I recall seeing bubbles in masks, things like that green
Speaker 3: screen follies of course, and uh, you know this story,
Speaker 3: the damage glove ends the spacewalk early. But that would
Speaker 3: expose NASA entirely if there is a video of that, right,
Speaker 3: because according to them, not us, the official narrative, they
Speaker 3: decompress and that homeboy would just be vaborated.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well that's one thing from Alex V Informental
Speaker 5: Firmamental he did a thing and I'm like, man, that
Speaker 5: makes total sense. He's like, they want us to believe
Speaker 5: that we're on this spaceship convertible traveling through space because
Speaker 5: we if we don't have a pressurized system and then
Speaker 5: that vacuum is just going to suck everything out.
Speaker 4: And I was like, cocroverbible.
Speaker 5: I think it's an excellent way of understanding that because
Speaker 5: you're moving with no top on, no top on, and
Speaker 5: you know, And I was like, that's that's a good,
Speaker 5: good analogy. So I'm not taking credit for that all,
Speaker 5: but I thought that was a good, good thing onto that.
Speaker 3: That ISS is another quirky one, you know, going seventeen thousand,
Speaker 3: five hundred miles an hour and they're out there doing
Speaker 3: space walks. Yeah, it's just ridiculous. But bro, there's no
Speaker 3: atmosphere up there. Okay, whatever you say, dude, We're down
Speaker 3: to about our last two minutes, So if you have
Speaker 3: anything else and we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 4: No. I mean, I was.
Speaker 5: Super excited to come on your show, and I think
Speaker 5: for people out there, I think it's just a great
Speaker 5: place to come and have a conversation with somebody. That's
Speaker 5: not even that is I don't want to say, going
Speaker 5: to be open to a lot of things, you're not
Speaker 5: gonna eat.
Speaker 4: I think it was nice to do.
Speaker 7: Is that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've heard people come up on your shows
Speaker 5: that you're like, I've heard you speak differently than what
Speaker 5: they're bringing up. But you also just let them do
Speaker 5: their thing. Oh for sure, you know, which I think
Speaker 5: is great. It's a very easy place to come and
Speaker 5: talk to. But I think for me, this has been
Speaker 5: such a great journey and at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: for me, I think and I'm glad I just thought
Speaker 5: of this because I would have been upset if I
Speaker 5: didn't say this.
Speaker 4: I bring this up to my wife.
Speaker 5: My wife is she supports me on it, but she's like,
Speaker 5: I'm not she's running three businesses, like her headspace is not.
Speaker 4: At that. But she'll listen to what I have to say,
Speaker 4: and I'll bring up things.
Speaker 5: And one of the kids, you know, cars are when
Speaker 5: I'm with my kids in the car, I'll have podcasts.
Speaker 5: I did want to bring up one thing. My youngest
Speaker 5: his AHA moment. We were doing something. We were having
Speaker 5: a discussion. We talked about out the sun and the moon,
Speaker 5: stopping and this story with Joshua, and his eyes just
Speaker 5: lit up and was like, I go, LEVI what And
Speaker 5: He's like, man, there's no way that would happen if
Speaker 5: we were spinning, Like how do you get the sun
Speaker 5: in the moon to stop? And people can say, well,
Speaker 5: God can do whatever he wants, and yes he can,
Speaker 5: but doesn't it make more sense? What's that Oukham's razor?
Speaker 3: Yep, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so it was. He was just like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that wouldn't work, you know, on that. But I say
Speaker 5: to my kids, I'm like, I'm not here to convince you.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day. I just want you
Speaker 5: guys to question things. And I think they're getting that.
Speaker 5: But I also want them to look at me as
Speaker 5: being And I realized I felt this with talking to
Speaker 5: this people from my Sunday or Bible study, talking to
Speaker 5: my brothers.
Speaker 4: I'm okay to be.
Speaker 5: Quote unquote on this island by myself. You know, I
Speaker 5: don't know if that makes sense, even though you know,
Speaker 5: I want you guys this to be okay, to be
Speaker 5: different and to stand on what you believe in, whatever
Speaker 5: it may be, and get the ridic I mean, we
Speaker 5: could so use this with you know, our religion, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: take the ridic ridicule, you know, people calling you crazy,
Speaker 5: calling you whatever. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: for me, I'm I'm just worried about my my family
Speaker 5: and a sentence and I want them to they don't
Speaker 5: have to again, don't have to agree with me. I
Speaker 5: like them just to question them. I mean, we have
Speaker 5: had our kids in uh I'm not again not going
Speaker 5: down to this story, but you know, a private Christian school.
Speaker 4: We've home school with some kids, which I.
Speaker 5: Think is great, and we have one in in high
Speaker 5: school right now in public school. But I like that
Speaker 5: they're starting to question things and they're like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't know if that really sounds right. Again they've ever
Speaker 5: come out and said, yeah, we're flat earsers with your dad,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm okay, I don't care. I just want
Speaker 5: them to sit there and say, hey, look, my dad's
Speaker 5: a he's not somebody made fun of him because of
Speaker 5: he was a flat earther and now he's not a
Speaker 5: flyer earther anymore. Like no, I can't go back, you know,
Speaker 5: I can't. I try to be open minded, but I'm
Speaker 5: also going to be closed minded that it's not a globe.
Speaker 5: We're not flying through space. They're lying to us. It's
Speaker 5: a big, huge reception. You know, read the Bible.
Speaker 4: If if God's word is true, which.
Speaker 5: Is and we've seen it all these prophecies coming true,
Speaker 5: then re Genesis one, it's there.
Speaker 4: You know, that's that's probably what I go say.
Speaker 5: I know, you say, there's there's there's Bob versus two
Speaker 5: hundred proofs, and some of them are kind of but
Speaker 5: there's there's some you know, like I often think, like
Speaker 5: why why is grasshoppers used in them? A couple of
Speaker 5: times like he looks down on us grass like grasshoppers.
Speaker 5: I'm like why, I wonder why they use grasshoppers. But
Speaker 5: you know, when he's up there and his thrones above
Speaker 5: the firmament, and I forget who was saying it too,
Speaker 5: but there's like the emerald glass and the lights all
Speaker 5: underneath this throne, which could be the Northern lights. You know,
Speaker 5: I just look at that stuff. It's in the Bible.
Speaker 5: Don't try to translate it, don't try to come up
Speaker 5: with your own opinion. Read it for what it is.
Speaker 5: They're not going to you know, when their analogies or there.
Speaker 5: What's the word I'm looking for. They're telling stories, right,
Speaker 5: is that analogy like it says that? Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 5: I mean it's there. I think it's it's there.
Speaker 4: So I just thanks for having me on, and I
Speaker 4: there's there's a lot more. I probably go into the
Speaker 4: probably more fact hunter based kind of things, especially with
Speaker 4: the Old World stuff. You know, I've really been fascinated
Speaker 4: with that stuff too, But it was all the flat
Speaker 4: Earth that got me here. It's got me and see
Speaker 4: you know what we're eating, what's going on in the world,
Speaker 4: getting closer to God, which I think has been great.
Speaker 5: I still got a lot of work to go, but
Speaker 5: it's there. So well, yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks for being on the show. And shout out to
Speaker 3: what was the name of the Stogners Doogners?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, shout out mother mother flat Earth family there
Speaker 4: you go.
Speaker 3: Well, tell them to shoot me an email and we'll
Speaker 3: bring them on in a month or two. And then hey,
Speaker 3: if you want to talk about other things, also shoot
Speaker 3: me an email and I'd love to have you on
Speaker 3: the fact Runner down the road as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, yeah, I'm sure I'll take you up
Speaker 4: on that. I'll get some more things together is what
Speaker 4: we're doing.
Speaker 5: But I appreciate that just having a conversation with you,
Speaker 5: and I've been very thankful that through our technology you've
Speaker 5: come into my life and have changed my life and
Speaker 5: how I see things.
Speaker 4: And you're very humble about all this stuff.
Speaker 5: And I think the way you do your interviews and
Speaker 5: you talk talk to people, it's anybody that's nervous about
Speaker 5: coming on just coming in and do it is very
Speaker 5: easy to talk to this guy.
Speaker 4: You know, he does their great job. So I think
Speaker 4: you got your calling here. Man.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that, and you know, we're trying to,
Speaker 3: as we mentioned before the show, figure out what to
Speaker 3: do for next year, and Lancaster's at the top, so
Speaker 3: you know, maybe i'll see you in the spring of
Speaker 3: things work out.
Speaker 4: I will do my best to get there. I would
Speaker 4: be excited to do that, and I'll get the Stogners
Speaker 4: come down with me.
Speaker 3: There you go. Well, thanks again, that was Justin, not Jordan.
Speaker 3: For some reason, you know how, there was the one
Speaker 3: podcast where a guy called me Greg. I was the
Speaker 3: email and back and forth with Justin. I was calling
Speaker 3: him Jordan. Old people problems, I guess, but no problem
Speaker 3: it's a great interview and a great conversation. And again
Speaker 3: thanks to all the listeners who've helped make this year
Speaker 3: just be a great years. We have one more podcast
Speaker 3: to close out the year, and I believe that is Andy,
Speaker 3: which will be a week from the Sunday as it's
Speaker 3: being released. And everybody be safe. God bless each and
Speaker 3: every one of you. Keep your head on a swivel.
Speaker 3: And until we meet again, my friends, we will see you.
Speaker 8: I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've
Speaker 8: had spain. I know you feel the tired, tell.
Speaker 1: Doubt all the way. Yeah, I know you feeling. Are
Speaker 1: you smile? Ain't the same?
Speaker 4: That's a way to go from here.
Speaker 1: I feel like you've lost your way. Don't give it. No,
Speaker 1: don't give it. Never is home. Don't let call the primise.
Speaker 4: It ain't done yet.
Speaker 1: He's gone. I'm glad. Why it's a way got up?
Speaker 1: Maybe me come.
Speaker 9: Why it's right?
Speaker 1: God, m I can see the straight beside you. Child's
Speaker 1: are putting up the five. Oh, you're stronger than a thing.
Speaker 1: You are. Yeah, you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 9: You're accepting a dead body, beautiful.
Speaker 1: You're shoving ride. Yeah, you're living, breathing, move you can
Speaker 1: hold your head a pie.
Speaker 9: Don't give up, No, don't give in, nevertheless hold, don't
Speaker 9: let gone on the primes me ain't done and it's God.
Speaker 4: I'm letting.
Speaker 9: Why it's a way down the God because we don't
Speaker 9: give up. No, don't give in you never love home,
Speaker 9: don't let go on the promise it ain't gonife, it's
Speaker 9: worth living?
Speaker 1: What's a playtown? The god? Up baby colt? Why sur
Speaker 1: pray down? Got up steam cold? Oh yeah, what's a
Speaker 1: pray down? The god baby colt?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, got the steam called?
Speaker 10: Oh, don't give up, No, don't give in, never use home,
Speaker 10: don't they go off?
Speaker 7: The primis I mean as God, I'm playing watching God
Speaker 7: of if it comes and don't.
Speaker 4: Give up it no dog give any.
Speaker 1: But never this hole, don't let go of the crimes.
Speaker 1: Gettin't done?
Speaker 8: Lovers worth living watcher and the God of every cols.
Speaker 1: Oh, the God of needs cos whaits done?
Speaker 10: The God of any coach.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.
Speaker 4: Just the facts, ma'am.