Speaker 1: We got some water or something.
Speaker 2: Out here. I can't go now.
Speaker 1: It's did my better light came on and I did
Speaker 1: that with the left, and they thing running across the yard.
Speaker 1: Not a good sight, may have or something I look
Speaker 1: like to me, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: The right across the yard, it seems to be a
Speaker 2: big put leaning against a tree in a wood an area.
Speaker 2: I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but
Speaker 2: not bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Tree minks and rush. He sees about a seven and
Speaker 1: seven and a half foot tall fast watch looking back
Speaker 1: at him, and.
Speaker 2: That kind of looks like a wolf, but not like
Speaker 2: a neighborhood dog.
Speaker 1: Pick these stores for what they are, and hopes that
Speaker 1: maybe if it's out there, then show me yeah, and
Speaker 1: says he might have caught the mythical Cuba cabra creature
Speaker 1: terrorizing his chickens. It's like a grunt and a knock,
Speaker 1: like a oh. I think there's kind of a cultural
Speaker 1: tendency for people to want to make Bigfoot a quote
Speaker 1: unquote monster. Welcome to e c b r O big
Speaker 1: Foot Radio. All right, everybody, Hey, it's your host, Daniel
Speaker 1: bin Waugh. Glad to have you on here. I'm glad
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Speaker 1: Foot Radio. We're here and we're glad to be able
Speaker 1: to have awesome guests on our show and talk Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: cryptis and everything in between. All right here on ECBR
Speaker 1: Big for Radio. We're more than just a podcast show.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the ones that join in
Speaker 1: on here, a lot of we know each other personally.
Speaker 1: I've met a lot of these individuals who have been
Speaker 1: on as a guest at some point in time as
Speaker 1: our guests tonight. For those who don't know him, he's
Speaker 1: no stranger to me, he's no stranger to my resource group.
Speaker 1: He's no stranger to Virginia. But mister William Nighthawk is
Speaker 1: our guest tonight, and first of all, thank you William
Speaker 1: for a great to do this. I'm glad to have
Speaker 1: you on here. Man. I know, just before we started this,
Speaker 1: I've just kind to touch a base of view on uh,
Speaker 1: you know, everything that you've been going through as far
Speaker 1: as how are you feeling? And I know you're you're
Speaker 1: kind of hanging in there, aren't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm still recovering from surgery. It's it's a
Speaker 2: it's a long road, but I'll get there eventually. And Okay,
Speaker 2: I plan on getting back out in the field once
Speaker 2: the weather breaks and getting back into it with the
Speaker 2: boots on the ground as soon as I can.
Speaker 1: So, oh absolutely, that's what I'm hoping for, the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how the rest of our
Speaker 1: winter is going to go, but you know, I guess
Speaker 1: we'll have to play that by year, but I know
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, I'm looking forward to the month
Speaker 1: of May where we have we're planning the spring group
Speaker 1: camp out for the E. C. B r O right
Speaker 1: here in Virginia, same place where we we were at
Speaker 1: in October. Her that place, it's something special there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it, I feel it. You know. One of
Speaker 1: our guests that came down and participated with our camp
Speaker 1: up from Pennsylvania. Uh, the gentleman's wife actually saw a
Speaker 1: big foot. She didn't realize. Yeah, she didn't realize she
Speaker 1: saw a big foot. She saw a bear. So she
Speaker 1: started describing the behaviors and what it did and how
Speaker 1: it ran off. She has no recollation or understanding or
Speaker 1: comprehension of how bears moved and that you know, she
Speaker 1: doesn't see much wildlife. I don't know. I guess you
Speaker 1: could say she was kind of a city girl. She
Speaker 1: never really witnessed much wildlife. But when she started sharing
Speaker 1: her information with her husband and Melissa David that was
Speaker 1: still there at camp, they're like, what that wasn't a bear?
Speaker 1: Bears don't run on two legs, especially that fast, you know.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I've seen bear actually walk about, but they
Speaker 2: only walk a couple maybe two or three or even
Speaker 2: at the maximum five or six steps and then they're
Speaker 2: going so but h and everybody's seen the circus bears
Speaker 2: and stuff that are taught to walk. But you know,
Speaker 2: woh yeah, wild life is gonna is going to do
Speaker 2: exactly what wildlife is meant to do in the wilderness,
Speaker 2: and that is exactly live and for a bear to survive,
Speaker 2: they survive better on four legs than they do too.
Speaker 1: Right now, there was a young bear I know, actually
Speaker 1: they gave it a name, but I don't remember the
Speaker 1: name the bear. It was actually a bear that had
Speaker 1: injured pause where it couldn't put any weight of pressure
Speaker 1: down on the front paws. However, to survive and move around.
Speaker 1: It adapted to staying on his two hind legs and
Speaker 1: walking on his legs right. So if it does go down,
Speaker 1: I never seen a video of actually going down here
Speaker 1: the whole every The only VI I've seen was it
Speaker 1: stayed upright by peedle because you know, it had no
Speaker 1: choice but to adapt to that way to get around.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, we all know, I mean, for survival,
Speaker 1: animals got to adapt and make adjustments, you know, to
Speaker 1: get by.
Speaker 2: No humans can do it. Bears and gorillas and and
Speaker 2: any kind of primemate can do it too.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, absolutely, good point. Absolutely. So. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: I know I've had you on here as a guest
Speaker 1: quite a while ago. It's been a long time that
Speaker 1: was to be actually on my other podcasts. But I'm basically,
Speaker 1: you know, basically starting the ECB or big Foot Radio
Speaker 1: back up because when I had it up and going before,
Speaker 1: it seemed like it was pretty successful where it was
Speaker 1: reaching a lot of people, and that is my goal
Speaker 1: to continue to reach more people, to spread awareness, to
Speaker 1: let everybody hear stories and knowledge and research you know,
Speaker 1: all in between. And that's kind of what I want
Speaker 1: to kind of get into tonight, you know. Just I mean,
Speaker 1: there will be some other things. I will promote some
Speaker 1: events a little later. So if you want to hear
Speaker 1: about these uptown events for the coming year, I actually
Speaker 1: have them included in my little three minute commercial ad
Speaker 1: that I got going on. Uh So we'll do that
Speaker 1: here after a while. See. So, there's been a couple
Speaker 1: of questions in the past with our past couple of guests.
Speaker 1: I've kind of been asking them because you know, it's
Speaker 1: a kind of a common question I've seen around on
Speaker 1: social media where people have been asking, uh. Given at
Speaker 1: the time of year, we're in winter, you know. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: before I actually even asked this question, I actually kind
Speaker 1: of back up a little bit. Yeah, William, if you
Speaker 1: don't mind, can you give everybody a little bit of
Speaker 1: background about who you are and what you what you
Speaker 1: are into this field?
Speaker 2: Sure, sure I can do that.
Speaker 1: I am ye.
Speaker 2: I am Lakota and Cherokee and Shawnee Native American Indigenous
Speaker 2: first Nations to the Americas, to the United States, and
Speaker 2: I am an ordained minister for the Native American Church,
Speaker 2: which my title is a Wachasta Wacon. I'm considered a
Speaker 2: holy man and a medicine man, and I have literally
Speaker 2: been born into the dark arts of the native spiritual
Speaker 2: path and then eventually going over to the the better
Speaker 2: aspects of it and the traditional ways of of our
Speaker 2: people in a good way what we call the Red
Speaker 2: Road journey and or the Navajo call it the Walk
Speaker 2: and beauty. In that time frame, I've done all kinds
Speaker 2: of peremonials and stuff. I've interacted with a very well.
Speaker 2: I grew up on a very highly supernatural and paranormal property.
Speaker 2: The property surrounding ours was highly active with Bigfoot. Chay
Speaker 2: Tanka is big brother, elder big brother to us, and
Speaker 2: at least that's the way I was taught, and to
Speaker 2: give it its due respect when you're in the woods,
Speaker 2: But I interacted with all kinds of stuff. We had
Speaker 2: everything from shadow figures to unexplained lights in the sky,
Speaker 2: dog man, Bigfoot, all kinds of stuff, swamp which is
Speaker 2: you name it. All kinds of just weird, creepy stuff
Speaker 2: happened around the property I grew up on, and that
Speaker 2: kind of continued into my life and I got into
Speaker 2: the paranormal field and Bigfoot research and all the cryptids,
Speaker 2: and I've been doing it ever since. And I'm I'm
Speaker 2: actually uh been into probably intensely wise for a better
Speaker 2: part of over forty five years.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome. Uh, that's really good information, especially I
Speaker 1: mean some I mean I knew a lot of that
Speaker 1: information because it was a little bit in here that
Speaker 1: was kind of new for me. Now with all that
Speaker 1: being said, that this is going to bring us into
Speaker 1: because you know, the next couple of questions I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, Well, you know I've had other friends
Speaker 1: I used to associate with that are Native American descent. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're based out of I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to meet uh or ever have a
Speaker 1: discussion with Baltimore Galavan Jr. H. He's based out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's based out of Texas, like the eastern part of Texas. Now,
Speaker 1: a lot of his information, you know, was basically given
Speaker 1: to him. Talk to him. That has been passed down
Speaker 1: from some of his elders you know, around his area.
Speaker 1: And there's one thing he's always he's told me that
Speaker 1: I will never forget. It's actually I always considered it
Speaker 1: really good information. But as far as folklore, the one
Speaker 1: thing that he has told me, he says Native Americans
Speaker 1: love their folklore and regardless of how you view it.
Speaker 1: Of course, folk lore if if anyone looks up folk
Speaker 1: lore basically bored of mouth and stories that have been
Speaker 1: passed down from generation upon generation. And with that being said,
Speaker 1: you know, some of it could be just just stories,
Speaker 1: but then again, some of it can have truth behind
Speaker 1: it that you know, it's like history. We want our
Speaker 1: history passed down. We want to learn and understand from
Speaker 1: our history.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So although nowadays in today's population, or you know, whatever
Speaker 1: how you want to put it, they don't teach history
Speaker 1: like they used to. You know, it's basically whatever. It's
Speaker 1: the narrative that where they could throw everything out. But well, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your take on Native American folklore? I mean you
Speaker 1: consider it all truth in one way, shape or form
Speaker 1: or are they just stories that did get path round
Speaker 1: because they were just stories?
Speaker 2: This is this is coming from somebody that grew up
Speaker 2: traditionally with the the legends and stuff of of my
Speaker 2: people and you know, having it passed down from generation
Speaker 2: to generation. My father sitting at the kitchen table at
Speaker 2: midnight with me when I was a child and telling
Speaker 2: me the old stories and you know, telling me what
Speaker 2: to do if I ever had a run in with
Speaker 2: big brother, you know, and and and how to basically
Speaker 2: not not make them angry or upset at me for
Speaker 2: being in in his living room, because ultimately it is
Speaker 2: his living room. And you know, one thing that I
Speaker 2: think people need to consider is that when you're dealing
Speaker 2: with legends, especially indigenous legends from around the world, you're
Speaker 2: dealing with a little bit of exaggeration, probably out of
Speaker 2: whether it's fear or just you know, rage or or
Speaker 2: you know, just to embellish a little bit, to teach
Speaker 2: the young ones, you know, what to do and what
Speaker 2: not to do as consequences. But and excuse me, I
Speaker 2: got to catch my breath every now and then. But
Speaker 2: to go on, you you have to consider that legends
Speaker 2: are based on fact. Whether it's fifty, it's it's up
Speaker 2: in the air. But legends are based at some point
Speaker 2: on facts, eye witness accounts, and you know, eyewitness accounts.
Speaker 2: When it comes to Native Americans, especially back in the
Speaker 2: old days, we didn't have a written language to to
Speaker 2: document things. We uh we did uh you know, pictorials
Speaker 2: and stuff on on on cave walls or cliff sides
Speaker 2: and stuff, or even our teepees. Back then we would
Speaker 2: put something on to symbolize us as a clan. And
Speaker 2: you know, we need to determine the difference between the
Speaker 2: flesh and blood, which is factual and I'll get into
Speaker 2: that here a little bit later and supernatural.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically what I mean by that is you
Speaker 2: have distinctively two separate ways you can go. Consider it
Speaker 2: like a fork in the road or the fork in
Speaker 2: a path that you're taking. And you know, everybody talks
Speaker 2: about all these aggressive big feet that they're having encounters
Speaker 2: with or if it's a dog man or whatnot, how
Speaker 2: they have the red glowing eyes and or orange eyes,
Speaker 2: you know, and acting really aggressive and you know, doing
Speaker 2: bluff charges and and screaming and hollering, you know. And
Speaker 2: then you have the encounters where people are just hiking
Speaker 2: and and they're being basically kind of like flanked by
Speaker 2: big feet, just walking alongside with them from a distance away,
Speaker 2: just to watch them. So yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: you have two distinct possibilities here. And with my being
Speaker 2: into the spiritual aspect of the my indigenous culture for
Speaker 2: so many years, I can tell you that without a
Speaker 2: doubt that in the old days when Native Americans would
Speaker 2: bless grounds and and ask the creator to to protect
Speaker 2: the burial grounds or the mounds and stuff of of
Speaker 2: our indigenous ancestors that passed away. We would in our
Speaker 2: words and our ceremonies, we would almost invoke what we
Speaker 2: call elementals, which is an earth bound spirit that we
Speaker 2: would request to guard over our loved ones, our ancestors
Speaker 2: and sacred ground. And you know doing it. You know,
Speaker 2: words have power. Anybody that's that deals into uh the
Speaker 2: magic and all that knows words have power in the
Speaker 2: spiritual aspect of it. Even preachers will tell you that.
Speaker 2: You know, when you go to church and you hear
Speaker 2: that fiery sermon and and you're you're here and all
Speaker 2: the all the the good stuff, and it gets you
Speaker 2: fired up, that's the spiritual power because the words have power.
Speaker 2: So when we do ceremony, we we call upon those
Speaker 2: powers of the land and our ancestors to protect the land.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you know, people that they go and hunt
Speaker 2: and and do things in a bad way come across
Speaker 2: these these malevolent encounters with what they describe as a
Speaker 2: bigfoot with red glowing eyes and all that. I tend
Speaker 2: to think those are more of the supernatural type of
Speaker 2: beings that were invoked on the land. And then the
Speaker 2: flesh and blood ones are like like you and I
Speaker 2: talk about a hundred times, you know, they're the ones
Speaker 2: that we interact with that that we see occasionally. I
Speaker 2: on on on the on the lucky side, have had
Speaker 2: a chance to actually interact with them. So I kind
Speaker 2: of learned growing up as a child what to do
Speaker 2: and what not to do. And I'll get into a
Speaker 2: couple incidents as I had and growing up, but you know,
Speaker 2: we do need to figure out the distinct difference between
Speaker 2: the encounters, you know, as well as I do that.
Speaker 2: I always tell everybody when you go out into the woods,
Speaker 2: go in a good way, you know, because Big Brother
Speaker 2: knows you're coming to the woods before you know you're
Speaker 2: going to the woods, right, and that's just you know,
Speaker 2: that's part of the tradition of and the legend of
Speaker 2: Big Brother. So you know, just just go in a
Speaker 2: good way, go with a good heart, clear your mind,
Speaker 2: don't go with any ill intentions. You know, you'd be
Speaker 2: surprised how many people I hear take a six pack
Speaker 2: of beer out when they go hunting and all that,
Speaker 2: and there they'll be sitting there, you know, in a
Speaker 2: tree stand drinking beer and throwing beer cans on the
Speaker 2: ground and waiting for their buck to come up, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, there's a big sasquatch in front
Speaker 2: of them with the red glowing eyes charging at him,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, and they wonder why they're they're
Speaker 2: screaming at him, and they're angry with them. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: you're you're hunting in their hunting grounds first off, and secondly,
Speaker 2: you're disrespecting their living room, you know, and those kind
Speaker 2: of encounters are gonna happen, you know, unfortunately. But you know,
Speaker 2: most of my encounters have been very I'd say ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent of my encounters personally growing up have been very,
Speaker 2: very non violent. It's been more of a of an
Speaker 2: educational thing where they were teaching, you know, teaching me,
Speaker 2: you know, how to how to respect them and how
Speaker 2: to keep with at my distance and all that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean that makes sense because with what
Speaker 4: you're talking about, it's bringing back uh one kind of
Speaker 4: makes me think about.
Speaker 1: My experience from back twenty fourteen a little bit, because
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't alone. There was there were six
Speaker 1: of us totally, and what we encountered, which I can't prove,
Speaker 1: but I believe it was a family unit. There was
Speaker 1: three of them. But you know, I mean, I believe
Speaker 1: the whole situation was they were curious of us as
Speaker 1: we were of them when we all connected, you know,
Speaker 1: so of course, and then at the same time, which
Speaker 1: I could get into I'm not going to get into
Speaker 1: all the details, but long story short, I think I
Speaker 1: interrupted their hunts, you know, because there was just prior
Speaker 1: to us seeing them, there was a deer president on
Speaker 1: the opposite side of the road, and then we see
Speaker 1: the first set of eyeshine that said, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like what the heck is that, you know? But
Speaker 1: you know, with that being said, there's been other incidents,
Speaker 1: you know, like by myself, you know, in the same
Speaker 1: sexual woods. And just a year later, again there was
Speaker 1: a deer president and then boom, something very large, huge
Speaker 1: and bipeople walk away just inside the tree line, you know, man,
Speaker 1: And I look back on those I said, Man, I'm interrupted.
Speaker 1: I got to leave these guys, you know, just stay
Speaker 1: out of here something, you know. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they haven't give me no sign like hey
Speaker 1: you're okay, you didn't know, you know, I you know,
Speaker 1: It's like there was never I never experienced anything aggressive whatsoever,
Speaker 1: you know. But but I do look back on those
Speaker 1: two little situations. You know, I've had other little minor things,
Speaker 1: you know, and hold in totally different areas where I've
Speaker 1: had rocks thrown at me, you know, But in my
Speaker 1: research area, where my main accounter has happened, I always
Speaker 1: felt welcome there. You know. I was like, I've been
Speaker 1: out by myself deep in the woods numerous times, and
Speaker 1: people think I'm crazy for going out there by myself.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I've gotten to know that land, I've
Speaker 1: gotten to know the territory. I've been out there long enough,
Speaker 1: I said, I've never had anything threatening to me, even
Speaker 1: with the black bears. There's tons of black bears out there.
Speaker 1: I've seen black bears, some of them close, some of
Speaker 1: them distant. Now once, not once, have I ever had
Speaker 1: one get aggressive towards me. I mean, I woke up
Speaker 1: to one in my tent. They're not excuse me, It
Speaker 1: wasn't in my tent. It was just I was waking
Speaker 1: up and I heard it on the outside of my tent,
Speaker 1: Like it was basically you know, how fair at tent
Speaker 1: is h and that.
Speaker 2: They might as well be sleeping with you and your
Speaker 2: sleeping bag if they're outside exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean I probably could if I saw if the
Speaker 1: wall of the tent was in there, I probably could
Speaker 1: have kissed the bear, you know, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how close I've been to bears. But you know bears.
Speaker 1: You know, we all know black bears. Black bears don't
Speaker 1: like to be bothered. They're skittish on the most partner shy,
Speaker 1: only a dangerous. If you put them in that position
Speaker 1: pretty much, you know.
Speaker 2: They'll give the signals. They'll give you signals too, like
Speaker 2: any bear will give you signals to back off, whether
Speaker 2: it's flatter that they make, the noise that they make,
Speaker 2: or or whether it's their posture. You know, they're gonna
Speaker 2: they're gonna tell you, you know, either back off or that,
Speaker 2: or they're just going to ignore you'll walk away.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the only animal that's ever threatened me was
Speaker 1: a deer. That was many years ago, when I was
Speaker 1: on top of the parkway over here on Skyline Drive
Speaker 1: and my daughter, she was little back then, she was
Speaker 1: just a little thing. She was in the back seat.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, anyone that knows Skyline Drive
Speaker 1: knows you could see all kinds of wildlife up there,
Speaker 1: and the deer. You could get pretty close to those
Speaker 1: deer because they know they're not harmed up there and
Speaker 1: they know they're in a safe area.
Speaker 5: And right, and then the one day I was driving
Speaker 5: along and all of a sudden, these two big, giant,
Speaker 5: massive does come right out in front of me, and
Speaker 5: I was like I instantly stopped.
Speaker 1: I said, wow, that's a big one was a little
Speaker 1: bit smaller, but I was like wow. I was kind
Speaker 1: of mesmerized how big they were. And of course, right
Speaker 1: on the office side of the road, because those two
Speaker 1: do made it to the one side and they stopped
Speaker 1: because big Daddy was following right behind him. That he
Speaker 1: was a huge buck. And I couldn't believe it. I
Speaker 1: told I told Brianna, she was in the backseat. I said,
Speaker 1: to be honest, staying he don't move. I put the
Speaker 1: gear card gear and stepped out of the vehicle very slowly.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is awesome. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was just getting up this to see how close I
Speaker 1: can get and maybe get a picture or two. Well,
Speaker 1: I got out, I walked out in front of my
Speaker 1: vehicle and I'm literally in the middle of the road
Speaker 1: looking to my left those two big doughs that are
Speaker 1: still standing there facing the tree line, but with her
Speaker 1: necks and the heads looking back at me, or either
Speaker 1: that they were looking back at the buck that was
Speaker 1: waiting on them or chasing them. And I'm looking at him,
Speaker 1: and now he's a pretty looking buck. Now he uh,
Speaker 1: he stepped back a little bit. He was kind of
Speaker 1: like being cautious, doing what deer do, you know? But
Speaker 1: and I kept my eye on him. I kept every
Speaker 1: now and then I would glance at the two dogs,
Speaker 1: but on occasions I would look back at him, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, as soon as I seen that
Speaker 1: front leg like like kind of cap the ground like
Speaker 1: like he was like, give me that warning sign, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: Just stomped the ground with their one hoof. They'll lift
Speaker 2: it up and they'll stomp it a couple of times
Speaker 2: just to let you know, and they'll duck their head
Speaker 2: down to let you know that they're getting into an
Speaker 2: aggressive posture.
Speaker 1: So that's exactly what he started doing, and I showed
Speaker 1: him respect. I backed up. I got back in my
Speaker 1: car after snapping a couple of quick pictures. I did
Speaker 1: ad manage to get some pictures though, when I got
Speaker 1: back in my vehicle and have a nice day, mister buck.
Speaker 1: You enjoy those dos, you know, get go do your thing, daddy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that was a beautiful scene though, I mean
Speaker 1: that was kind of like, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: but that was different. That was up on the parkway,
Speaker 1: So are different a lot more easier to interact and
Speaker 1: wildly but there than you do elsewhere because down here,
Speaker 1: you know, in the valley, they know they're more threatened
Speaker 1: and they're going to be care cautions of man, you know.
Speaker 2: And Skyline Drive has had a lot of bigfoot encounters
Speaker 2: happen on it too. Oh yes, So I can't you know,
Speaker 2: count the number of times that I've had people tell me,
Speaker 2: you know, that they have had encounters on Skyline Drive,
Speaker 2: you know, and that that what you just described with
Speaker 2: the deer and everything. You know, that in itself lets
Speaker 2: me know that you are the type of individual that
Speaker 2: when you go out into the wilderness, into the woods,
Speaker 2: into the mountains, the forest, that you go with a
Speaker 2: respect and an understanding of how far you have the
Speaker 2: abilities to go, you know, and and you don't go
Speaker 2: there with the intent to pollute it or trash it
Speaker 2: out or anything like that. You go there respectfully. So
Speaker 2: that's why you've had the good encounters. Oh yeah, so,
Speaker 2: and that that goes through wildlife too. Wildlife is the
Speaker 2: same way, you know. You know, that's why you have
Speaker 2: the ability to run into, you know, so much wildlife
Speaker 2: when you go out and interact with them, because they
Speaker 2: they know you, they they sense you, you know, And
Speaker 2: it sounds strange, but it's true, it really is true.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny you say that because you know,
Speaker 1: I've camped numerous times by myself, and in one way,
Speaker 1: shape or forth, well mainly in one particular camp. Say,
Speaker 1: I've had it happen in other areas, but more so
Speaker 1: in the one particular area I camped in. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can be sitting there and enjoyman I'm talking about
Speaker 1: in the middle of the daytime. I mean, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got the little you know, the rabbits come out
Speaker 1: and about that. Look you look over ten fifteen feet. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's rabbits just chilling right there by you. Then you
Speaker 1: look over here. It's a whole crap. The deer walking
Speaker 1: right next to you. What the hell's going out here?
Speaker 1: Am I in a fairy tale?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 2: And that's because it's like it's just like having a pet,
Speaker 2: you know, like a dog or a cat. Those animals
Speaker 2: are gonna learn your emotions, your reactions, your your your demeanor.
Speaker 2: They're gonna sense, you know, the way you feel towards them,
Speaker 2: and that's when they're going to become more gentle towards you.
Speaker 2: It's the same right wildlife. Wildlife is the same way.
Speaker 2: But you have to understand too, they're called wildlife for
Speaker 2: a reason. They're not domesticated exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where I believe the wildlife, the wild ones are
Speaker 1: more intelligent because they've experienced a lot more, you know,
Speaker 1: investigating all the domesticated ones and this kind of I
Speaker 1: guess in a way, you can kind of look at
Speaker 1: humans in this sense too. There's a lot of humans.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are ignorant, you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes to what to expect or how to look at things,
Speaker 1: because they're not out there like we are, you know,
Speaker 1: so you know, they're not out there to witnessing experience
Speaker 1: and understand how wild life act and behaving. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't have no basic understanding of what they might be.
Speaker 2: Thinking so exactly exactly, and you know, that's like my
Speaker 2: first encounter you know that I had. I you know,
Speaker 2: I told you a couple of times about it, and
Speaker 2: you know, speaking at your event too, you know, I've
Speaker 2: talked about it, you know, the first time. I Actually
Speaker 2: I always heard big Brother around. I always got glimpses,
Speaker 2: you know, of shadows moving between tree to tree, you know,
Speaker 2: but that kind of stuff growing up. But when I
Speaker 2: was twelve going on thirteen years old, I was out
Speaker 2: riding dirt bikes motorcycles with a couple buddies of mine
Speaker 2: in a field was located, you know, between a thick
Speaker 2: wooded area and my property where I lived and grew up.
Speaker 2: And we were about a mile or so from the house,
Speaker 2: and we were running around this field about the size
Speaker 2: of a football field with the dirt bikes and going around.
Speaker 2: And I had just got done going around three or
Speaker 2: four different times, and I went to park my motorcycle,
Speaker 2: you know, and put the kickstand down, turn the fuel off.
Speaker 2: And as I turned the fuel off, I looked down
Speaker 2: the tree line of the edge of the field that
Speaker 2: we were in and the path that we that cut
Speaker 2: into the field that we came from there stood big brother. Yes,
Speaker 2: he was reaching up into a tree and the branch
Speaker 2: that he was reaching up in was over nine feet
Speaker 2: off the ground. So and I remembered my father said.
Speaker 2: The first thing that came to mind was my teachings
Speaker 2: a child, you know, don't look them in the eye.
Speaker 2: So I begin to look down. And as I'm looking down,
Speaker 2: I look at my two friends and they're just standing
Speaker 2: there in shock and amazed that they that they're seeing it,
Speaker 2: you know. And I tapped one own buddy on his
Speaker 2: leg and I said, kneel down and look down at
Speaker 2: the ground, you know, And you know, they both did.
Speaker 2: And when we looked back up a minute later, we
Speaker 2: saw it walking off and going into the trees and disappearing,
Speaker 2: you know. And it was a distance of oh, i'd
Speaker 2: say probably one hundred and twenty feet, you know, it
Speaker 2: wasn't really that far. It was about a football field
Speaker 2: that we saw, you know, saw saw the thing from.
Speaker 2: And but you know, and and I got the feeling
Speaker 2: that it wasn't a mature one though I got the
Speaker 2: feeling later on in life that what I experienced was
Speaker 2: more like a juvenile playing with a little sibling in
Speaker 2: the right. So anyways, a week later, I take the
Speaker 2: dirt bike back out to another friend's place, and this
Speaker 2: is about two and a half miles three miles from
Speaker 2: where we lived, in a very wooded area with a
Speaker 2: small stream, you know, like a small river or creek,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, cutting through it, and
Speaker 2: it was in gravel pits, and the gravel pits, you know,
Speaker 2: bordered the woodline and the streams, and I was riding
Speaker 2: my motorcycle through there, and like on a second time
Speaker 2: through on the path that came back out into the
Speaker 2: gravel pits, I entered the tree line and made a
Speaker 2: left and followed it around the circle. And the next
Speaker 2: thing I know, this branch came over and got between
Speaker 2: the spokes of my front wheel and I dumped the
Speaker 2: bike and I dumped it on top of me. So
Speaker 2: I still have the burn on my left leg and
Speaker 2: my cap muscle from the exhaust. But as I was
Speaker 2: laying there trying to get the bike off of my leg,
Speaker 2: I looked up and there was the biggest The only
Speaker 2: way I could describe it was it dwarfed Donold Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, it made Donald Swarzenegger look like he
Speaker 2: was in kindergarten. This thing was was every bit of
Speaker 2: over nine feet tall. It had to be at least
Speaker 2: four feet across in the shoulders shoulders, and it was
Speaker 2: just standing there, you know, next to the tree that
Speaker 2: it threw the branch from, because you could see that
Speaker 2: the branch was ripped off the tree. And I looked
Speaker 2: over to the right because it kept on like doing
Speaker 2: the ducking and dodging, you know, hiding behind the tree,
Speaker 2: then coming back out and looking at me, and you know,
Speaker 2: that kind of activity. And to the right, and I
Speaker 2: saw a second one standing there, and just about twenty
Speaker 2: yards away from that second one was a doe. So
Speaker 2: obviously I interrupted their hunt by riding the motorcycle through there,
Speaker 2: because back in those days, those bikes were loud. They cracked,
Speaker 2: and they popped a lot, you know. And I really
Speaker 2: do believe that he was just trying to teach me
Speaker 2: a lesson. You know, listen, you know, you interrupted our hunt,
Speaker 2: and now we got to try even harder to get
Speaker 2: our meal. So but I swear to God to this
Speaker 2: day he had a shittyat and grint on his face, like, haha,
Speaker 2: I taught you a lesson, you know what. I mean, right,
Speaker 2: he was just he was massive. I would not want
Speaker 2: to meet this guy in a dark alley because he
Speaker 2: was just that massive.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You take in fact that David made me a three
Speaker 2: D cast of it from my description of it, and
Speaker 2: to this day, this this figurine that he made me
Speaker 2: of my encounter gives me chills down my spine because
Speaker 2: it is everything that I described that it.
Speaker 1: Was nice, it was. It's funny because it's funny you
Speaker 1: mentioned that because I'm actually looking. I'm in the garage
Speaker 1: and on top of our gun safe. Well, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at what David gave me of a big foot figurine
Speaker 1: that he made, and uh, yeah, it's very very incredible.
Speaker 1: It's very fascinating. It's actually looks like it's walk. If
Speaker 1: he's saying it's holding a stick, he put the stick
Speaker 1: in the hand. Yeah, it's it's pretty awesome, you know.
Speaker 2: Just just even the facial features, with the way the
Speaker 2: nose was and the eye, the eye ridge was, the brow,
Speaker 2: I mean, everything everything was was to the tee, the
Speaker 2: hair placement, the muscle struck.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: I mean when I say massive, I mean this thing.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't taught about this being possibly being in
Speaker 2: the woods where I grew up, I don't think I
Speaker 2: would have handled it as easily as I did. I
Speaker 2: think my father actually helped me out with getting psychologically
Speaker 2: prepared to have in a run in with this being
Speaker 2: big brother, because he had one ends with him, so
Speaker 2: you know, he kind of figured, you know, and it
Speaker 2: kind of follows the family trait to to have encounters
Speaker 2: with them. And ever since those first two encounters, I
Speaker 2: have had other encounters with him. I remember doing a
Speaker 2: what we call a humblecia, a vision quest, and I
Speaker 2: had an elder with me, a very good friend of mine,
Speaker 2: a dear friend of mine. He since passed. He basically
Speaker 2: washed over me. And I was at the same creek
Speaker 2: or the small stream, and it was probably well, i'd say,
Speaker 2: about thirty feet across in the width of the river
Speaker 2: or the stream. And as I was doing my ceremony,
Speaker 2: something told me to look down at my feet, between
Speaker 2: my feet in the water. I was standing there in
Speaker 2: my bare feet, and I looked down and there was
Speaker 2: this black obsidian spearhead.
Speaker 1: Oh it was.
Speaker 2: It was clearly used for either spearing like game or
Speaker 2: large fish, right, and it was obsidian, so it was old.
Speaker 2: So I picked it up, and you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: they teach us whenever you're gifted something, you lay tobacco
Speaker 2: down and say thank you to the spirits that gifted
Speaker 2: it to you. And so I laid my tobacco down
Speaker 2: on the water, and I said prayer and I said
Speaker 2: thank you. And as I rose up from the water
Speaker 2: and from the edge, having the spearhead in my hand,
Speaker 2: I looked over to the tree line and the shades
Speaker 2: of the tree stood this silhouette of Bigfoot standing there
Speaker 2: watching me like he like he gifted me that for
Speaker 2: my ceremony. And you know, it's it's just that kind
Speaker 2: of interactions that I've had over time. They're more curious
Speaker 2: and friendly if you go in a good manner. And
Speaker 2: I'm a firm believer of that, you know, And to
Speaker 2: this day, I tell people, take your shoes off, take
Speaker 2: your socks off, curl your toes up into the grass
Speaker 2: and into the mud before you go into the woods,
Speaker 2: you know, and just make that connection to Mother Earth
Speaker 2: and getting a good mental state, and you'll probably have
Speaker 2: an encounter ninety percent of the time that very same night, sir.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's I do believe that it has
Speaker 2: a lot with how we are intending to have an
Speaker 2: experience in the field. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I agree with you wholeheartedly because I feel that
Speaker 1: I really do because a couple of things you mentioned.
Speaker 1: It kind of brings a few things into buying. You know.
Speaker 1: It's backing up to what you related, what you mentioned
Speaker 1: about interrupting the hunt. You know, that's what I felt
Speaker 1: like what happened when we had our encounter in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen where all six of us witnessed what we all
Speaker 1: thought however, because like I said, just prior to everything happening,
Speaker 1: there was a deer. The deer was like non chalotely
Speaker 1: walking right towards us. I was. We were walking a single,
Speaker 1: single fire line coming from the lake that's in your
Speaker 1: We were just headed back to camp. It was just
Speaker 1: after midnight, you know, and here's this deer walking right
Speaker 1: towards us, maybe again right before it turned off and
Speaker 1: walked further into the woods and dispard. It was only
Speaker 1: about ten feet away right as we continue walking right
Speaker 1: up across from there is where the first set of
Speaker 1: eyeshine is what got ever got my attention. But the
Speaker 1: whole counter happened just past there and to jump ahead
Speaker 1: a year later in the same section of woods, just
Speaker 1: just around the corner I was. I was camping out.
Speaker 1: It was during the hunting season of November of twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget, you know, I was sitting there at camp.
Speaker 1: It was dead quiet. I was, you know, wide awake,
Speaker 1: didn't feel tired. You know. I had a camp fire,
Speaker 1: I had a fire going, had my bihgle there, had
Speaker 1: my shot run leaning against my vehicle, and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there in my chair. Man I said, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was just so wide awake. I just something told
Speaker 1: me just to get because it was dead quiet. I
Speaker 1: wasn't hearing nothing, you know, because you know, I like
Speaker 1: to sit and listen to you know, because most of
Speaker 1: the time you hear all kinds of wildlife around here.
Speaker 1: But this particular night, this time, it was quiet. I
Speaker 1: wasn't hearing nothing. So I decided, hey, I grabbed my spotlight,
Speaker 1: didn't turn it on. But from my camp I walked
Speaker 1: out to the forest road and walked out into total
Speaker 1: darkness and stood there in the middle of the road.
Speaker 1: And as I've told other people this, I do this
Speaker 1: kind of periodically or every so often. Every time I
Speaker 1: go on camping, I've done this by myself several times.
Speaker 1: Or if I have a group camp out, I do
Speaker 1: the same thing. I bring whoever wants to come with me.
Speaker 1: I said, come out to the road, just stand here,
Speaker 1: don't turn no lights on, just listen, look around and
Speaker 1: again listen.
Speaker 2: Yep, and they'll shadow they'll shadow you, they'll pace you,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're by yourself too. When they do that,
Speaker 2: they're more curious than anything. They're trying to learn more
Speaker 2: about you and to see how you react towards them,
Speaker 2: you know, and and you know we you know, some
Speaker 2: people can call them, you know, dumb animals, you know,
Speaker 2: and stuff like that all they want. But you know,
Speaker 2: I can I can tell you from my family history
Speaker 2: of interacting with them and my own history that they
Speaker 2: have a way of keeping the family unit together. You
Speaker 2: very seldom will come across one that is raising its
Speaker 2: young by itself. Usually if that happens, then the other
Speaker 2: parenting being would be probably deceased from natural causes or
Speaker 2: other you know, wildlife like as these or whatnot. You know,
Speaker 2: mountain lions, you know, we all we all know what's
Speaker 2: out there, you know. And then there's more than that
Speaker 2: out there. But you know, usually when they are in
Speaker 2: family units and there's a father and a mother and siblings,
Speaker 2: you know, children, they stay together. They don't separate very much,
Speaker 2: including including during the hunt, unless the mother stays with
Speaker 2: a young one, like an infant sized one. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: always seen them together, I've always and usually when you
Speaker 2: see one that's uh, that's full grown and they're alone,
Speaker 2: that's because the other one that they were, you know,
Speaker 2: basically having a you know, a family unit with kind
Speaker 2: of like a husband or wife, you know, one of
Speaker 2: them passed away. They usually tend to stay by themselves.
Speaker 2: They never pick up another mate, they really And that's
Speaker 2: that's one thing that I've noticed that they are that
Speaker 2: that caring and that emotionally connected to their family unit,
Speaker 2: which is surprising to me because you know, you you
Speaker 2: hear all these you know, encounters of these these hunters
Speaker 2: out there in the woods having all these bad encounters
Speaker 2: and all that, and how there's usually two or three
Speaker 2: you know that that are are flanking them and growling
Speaker 2: and you know, and throwing rocks and branches and stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, if if if people actually saw through my
Speaker 2: eyes what I experienced growing up they would see it
Speaker 2: from a whole different light. Right now, that's not to
Speaker 2: say that, you know, there aren't the occasional ones out
Speaker 2: there that are real badasses that that don't want any
Speaker 2: humans around them, you know, because of something that they
Speaker 2: have encountered, which is probably related to the whole hunting
Speaker 2: thing with the rifles and stuff, because you hear about,
Speaker 2: you know, some of these hunters taking potshots at him
Speaker 2: and stuff, and then others that look down the scope
Speaker 2: of their rifle and they see the face of it
Speaker 2: and say, well, look too human to pull the trigger.
Speaker 1: Right, I've heard that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know of one Native brother of mine,
Speaker 2: a distant friend of mine, I think he's since past
Speaker 2: out in Oklahoma, he had an encounter and he told
Speaker 2: me that, you know, he was out there and he
Speaker 2: was hunting at his thirty thirty with him, and he
Speaker 2: was out there hunting him and his uncle, and he
Speaker 2: was probably twenty some years old at the time, twenty
Speaker 2: one twenty two, and basically he walked up upon when
Speaker 2: one once stopped right in front of him, like not
Speaker 2: even twenty feet away, and he raised, he said, he
Speaker 2: raised his thirty thirty to shoot at it, and he
Speaker 2: remembers squeezing the trigger and you know, and lever actioning
Speaker 2: the thirty thirty until he was out of rounds. But
Speaker 2: when he got done and he looked, you know, in
Speaker 2: the direction, the bigfoot was gone from being in front
Speaker 2: of him, and all of the shells from his thirty
Speaker 2: thirty were laying on the ground at his feet on fired.
Speaker 2: He never he never pulled the trigger, and he ejected
Speaker 2: every shell on the ground thinking that he was pulling
Speaker 2: the trigger. Right, Does that mean that they can manipulate
Speaker 2: your mind or mind speak to you. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it does, but you know, we have so much
Speaker 2: we need the learn. You know that, you know I
Speaker 2: I can only say that when you're when you have
Speaker 2: an encounter with them, try to have it in a
Speaker 2: good way. Try to stay calm, don't don't show fear,
Speaker 2: don't show aggression, show them that you're humble by not
Speaker 2: looking them directly in the eye, you know, but yet
Speaker 2: keeping a track of where they're at. You know, everybody
Speaker 2: has this thing about gifting too, Daniel, that you know,
Speaker 2: gifting is a bad thing and all that, Well, it
Speaker 2: is bad when you're gifting them stuff like food or
Speaker 2: you know, donuts, or you know, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean you're basically polluting them, you know, and they're not
Speaker 2: gonna want that. You know what I did. I did
Speaker 2: this for well, the second ecb Ro event that I
Speaker 2: went to that you were in charge of. I made
Speaker 2: these bigfoot dolls out of buckskin and I packed them
Speaker 2: with sweet grass and sage and.
Speaker 1: Cedar, and oh yeah.
Speaker 2: They were like, I don't know, probably like six seven
Speaker 2: inches big, you know, in height, and they were just
Speaker 2: you know, hands hand stitched with sin you and and
Speaker 2: all that. And I gave it to a couple of
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot investigators that were there at the time, and
Speaker 2: you know, I told them, I said, take this out
Speaker 2: with you and if you have an interaction with them
Speaker 2: or a gifting point, gift that and see what happens.
Speaker 2: So and one of them got back to me and
Speaker 2: that they had the best night that they ever had
Speaker 2: with that as a gift. And you know, does does
Speaker 2: that mean that they sense that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Maybe it does. Maybe it makes them more sensitive to
Speaker 2: the the almost human emotion, you know, and the way
Speaker 2: of feeling out people, you know, like dogs do with owners,
Speaker 2: you know, and and strangers, you know, right, a dog
Speaker 2: can always tell a good person from a bad person,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, maybe it's the same instinct. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, it's I kind of look at it as like
Speaker 1: even some of us, some of us, we have the
Speaker 1: intuition we have that we meet new people for the
Speaker 1: first time, you know. Maybe, I mean it might be
Speaker 1: a little bit different with us, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: like once you meet somebody, it start hearing them talk,
Speaker 1: as they present themselves in their whatever how they present themselves.
Speaker 1: We kind of feel them out, you know. But then again,
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, it's like a lot of people
Speaker 1: believe that, you know, big foot sasquatch, they know an
Speaker 1: individual's intent, their intentions or there they possibly know their heart,
Speaker 1: They feel them out, you know, and they may have
Speaker 1: that natural sense like like you mentioned, like some animals
Speaker 1: do you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I can't. I can't. I can't count
Speaker 2: the number of times I've had people tell me that, Oh,
Speaker 2: at one time, I saw a big foot standing there,
Speaker 2: and the next thing I know, I saw a fox
Speaker 2: walking forward to me, or I saw a tree stump
Speaker 2: you know that where the bigfoot was standing, or you know,
Speaker 2: do they have a special ability.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I honestly, I don't know. I mean, you hear about
Speaker 2: the whole infrasound thing making people sick, you know, I
Speaker 2: know for fact that you know, there's a couple of
Speaker 2: things that they do. Do I've come across structures and
Speaker 2: stuff like you have. I've I've witnessed, you know, them
Speaker 2: putting a hand on the side of a rock and
Speaker 2: seeing the the oil or grease from the hand being
Speaker 2: imprinted on the rock and left behind like it's a scent,
Speaker 2: you know, like they're leaving their scent on something. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know they used they use trees like rubbing posts
Speaker 2: like bears do. Black bears do it all the time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The only difference is they're rubbing post is going to
Speaker 2: be eight nine feet in the air, whereas a black
Speaker 2: bear is going to be three or four feet off
Speaker 2: the ground right right. But you know, it's you know,
Speaker 2: there's just there's so many questions that even I have, you.
Speaker 1: Know, absolutely, so a couple of things you've been talking
Speaker 1: about kind of I mean, I guess kind of covers
Speaker 1: a couple of questions I had written down was as
Speaker 1: far as when we come through the woods, do they
Speaker 1: welcome us? You know, and I guess that has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with how they feel towards us.
Speaker 7: You know, it's an individual, and how you feel towards
Speaker 7: them too, right.
Speaker 1: And then also the one of the other questions I
Speaker 1: had written down with should we fear them if we
Speaker 1: encounter them? I mean, because I mean I've heard just
Speaker 1: here in Virginia alone. I mean I've had you know,
Speaker 1: friends of mine, are real good friends of mine, former
Speaker 1: co workers that shared stories with me from Virginia. Now.
Speaker 1: One individual, he lives out in Singers Glen, you know,
Speaker 1: and he grew up he spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: on the woods, you know, and he's had uh, he's
Speaker 1: seen mountain lions when he was younger. He's I don't
Speaker 1: know how old you are, William, but I know he's
Speaker 1: in his sixth he's probably close to seventy by now.
Speaker 1: But he told me some stories. Now, he believes there's
Speaker 1: something out there. He's a skeptic, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: he's a healthy skeptic. He doesn't he doesn't dismiss anything, right.
Speaker 2: But you know, and there are people too that that
Speaker 2: are going to be skeptics their whole lives because they
Speaker 2: don't have that encounter they they they just go about
Speaker 2: their their business in the in the woods and the
Speaker 2: mountains and stuff, you know, whatever they're doing at the time,
Speaker 2: and not even thinking or considering that there's the possibility
Speaker 2: of something like that being one hundred yards from them
Speaker 2: or fifty feet from them, you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's just the way people are are are raised. You know,
Speaker 2: people question, you know, And that's the big thing I
Speaker 2: always say with my podcast is you know, I say
Speaker 2: question everything you know, right, you have to, you literally
Speaker 2: have to. We're in we're in the days of technology
Speaker 2: right now where people are using drones and and sophisticated
Speaker 2: cameras and you know, and all that and uh sounding
Speaker 2: equipment and all that, and you know, and they're still
Speaker 2: coming out of the woods without without that much proof.
Speaker 2: Some of them are and some most of them aren't. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to have your encounter, first off,
Speaker 2: the way we as indigenous people look at it is
Speaker 2: it's a gift. If they gift you with having an
Speaker 2: encounter with them, then you did something right that week
Speaker 2: in your life and right right gifted that encounter.
Speaker 1: That's what I like to believe because I've heard that before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, otherwise you're going to have people not have
Speaker 2: encounters their whole lives that live in the woods all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It just depends, it really does.
Speaker 1: Because they Yeah, because you know, you get people I've
Speaker 1: heard people, you know, responding to a certain post in
Speaker 1: the past. Well, you know, I've been researching and investigating.
Speaker 1: I've been in the woods for over fifty something years,
Speaker 1: sixty years, and you know, some of these people might
Speaker 1: have out all though here. They might have only had
Speaker 1: one sighting, you know, or some kind of encounter, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know, with that being said, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't you know, there's people that there's a lot of newbies,
Speaker 1: a lot of new people going out stepping out in
Speaker 1: the field now, you know, and trying to pay more attention,
Speaker 1: you know, and they haven't experienced.
Speaker 7: Nothing yet, and then they got to discern the difference
Speaker 7: between a hoax and and having a real encounter.
Speaker 2: You have several several I can't even count the number
Speaker 2: of times when when I see people post things on
Speaker 2: on Facebook or Instagram or or you know, even YouTube
Speaker 2: some of the video channels that are just ridiculously insane
Speaker 2: to think that they could actually pass that off as
Speaker 2: a bigfoot encounter or a dog man encounter. Right, it's
Speaker 2: utterly absurd to think, you know that they could do that.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's They're called a blob squatch for
Speaker 2: a reason. There hasn't been a definitive other than the
Speaker 2: the the Gimblin film and Roger Patterson film from ninete
Speaker 2: teen sixty eight. You know, there hasn't been a definitive
Speaker 2: type of of evidence presented in a photograph or a video.
Speaker 2: Maybe the Peterson one in the early nineties. I believe
Speaker 2: it was where the the ranger. I guess he was
Speaker 2: a forest ranger. I think you've talked to him before,
Speaker 2: his son, before Peterson.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm having a brain fart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know who you're talking about. It's not Peterson, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: his son was not Patterson. It was oh Man, his son.
Speaker 1: His son put out a book, a pretty detailed book.
Speaker 1: A lot of it covers his father's research and evidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you know, other than those two
Speaker 2: original videos, I don't I don't think anybody's really presented
Speaker 2: anything really as far as evidence, solid evidence. And then
Speaker 2: then you got these these TV shows that go out
Speaker 2: there and I'm not gonna name them. We all know,
Speaker 2: you know, entertainment is entertainment, so they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 2: dress it up and make it more than what it is,
Speaker 2: no matter what. But I think that takes away from
Speaker 2: the authenticity of people having actual encounters. It's almost like,
Speaker 2: you know, the more hoaxing that they're doing, the less
Speaker 2: chance that people are gonna have of actually having legitimate encounters,
Speaker 2: right you know, it's to me, it's it's sad to
Speaker 2: think that people will try to hoax something like that
Speaker 2: to get their five minutes of fame.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and sadly it's a lot of that going on
Speaker 1: right now. It's it's a shame that people are willing
Speaker 1: to take that risk to you know, if they if
Speaker 1: they have any I don't even know how to word
Speaker 1: this properly, but there's people out there that want to
Speaker 1: be put out there so bad that they're willing to
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like the throwout full of
Speaker 1: me because AI we all were most of us are
Speaker 1: familiar with AI technology and what's being presented out there.
Speaker 1: Then again, there's old, old images that a lot of us,
Speaker 1: we've been in on social media for a long time.
Speaker 1: A lot of this information, a lot of these images
Speaker 1: that we've seen that were put out from somebody at
Speaker 1: one point in time. Well, the newbies are out there
Speaker 1: in these Bigfoot groups. I'll even make mention of them.
Speaker 1: There's several groups under the same name, but Bigfoot believers.
Speaker 1: There's all these I'm gonna call him idiots, but they're
Speaker 1: idiots out there that are using old images that came
Speaker 1: or claimed from somebody else many years before or earlier.
Speaker 1: They were saying, hey, this came about, I got this
Speaker 1: on my camera like two weeks ago or last month.
Speaker 1: And there's people that don't follow enough of the social
Speaker 1: media network or what's being presented over the years, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them are seeing this stuff for the
Speaker 1: first time and jumping on board with this. Are you serious,
Speaker 1: you're lying about this? You know I've seen him one
Speaker 1: recently from I don't know, for those who know mister
Speaker 1: Lee Woods from North Carolina. Now, I don't have no
Speaker 1: connection with him no more. He you know, he blocked
Speaker 1: me because you know he is what he is, right,
Speaker 1: But if he is hoaxing, oh well that's his that's
Speaker 1: his problem. I'm not going to call him out. I
Speaker 1: used to call people out all the time. But I
Speaker 1: gave that a rest, you.
Speaker 2: Know, but exactly, yeah, And I mean I had a
Speaker 2: run in with with one that was actually a photograph
Speaker 2: of of a of a track that a dear friend
Speaker 2: of mine took when they were walking out in the
Speaker 2: woods here in Virginia. And I saw the original photo, okay,
Speaker 2: And you know it was a big wolf track that
Speaker 2: they found along a river's edge, you know, the creek edge.
Speaker 2: They they took a picture of it, and the next thing,
Speaker 2: I know, a month or two later, after they posted
Speaker 2: it online, you know, somebody picked it up and ran
Speaker 2: with it as a dog man footprint. You know.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: I called him out on it, you know, I said, listen,
Speaker 2: I said, I have proof that that picture was taken
Speaker 2: by such and such person at such and such time,
Speaker 2: in such and such place. And you know you have
Speaker 2: no right too to claim that that is a dog
Speaker 2: man footprint, you know, you know. And it happens all
Speaker 2: the time, Daniel, it does, and it makes it harder
Speaker 2: for the ones that are out there in the field
Speaker 2: that are trying their damnedest to research and investigate every
Speaker 2: way possible legitimately wise to prove the existence of these cryptids, right, so,
Speaker 2: and you know they're finding species every day, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know every day, especially the insect world that is new,
Speaker 2: you know, So you know, why make it harder to
Speaker 2: verify the existence of a cryptid creature, whether it's the
Speaker 2: dog man, the Bigfoot, the yetty, the the lizard man.
Speaker 2: You know, there's even stories of cat people being out there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I had a truck driver tell me one time while
Speaker 2: I was at work. He was delivering to a NAPA
Speaker 2: truck to a NAPA store in Virginia, and I was
Speaker 2: running the store next door. In the morning, I opened
Speaker 2: it up, and this was about five or five point
Speaker 2: thirty in the morning, and he told me that he
Speaker 2: almost wrecked his truck on the way here, on the
Speaker 2: way getting to the store where I was located, because
Speaker 2: a cat person jumped out in front of his rig
Speaker 2: while he was driving down one of the side roads
Speaker 2: and his headlights hit it, and it stood right in
Speaker 2: front of him and looked at him. And the head
Speaker 2: of the thing was like the shoulders of it was
Speaker 2: above the hood of the Kenworth and it was a
Speaker 2: kW that he was driving. And those are right, they
Speaker 2: are a big rig you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm very familiar with him. I used to
Speaker 1: work on a truck stop servo station.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean to be able to see
Speaker 2: the face and the shoulders of something that's that tall,
Speaker 2: you know, And it was he said, it was a feeline,
Speaker 2: you know. And he said, he said, Billy says, I'm
Speaker 2: not blind. You He goes, it scared the ship out
Speaker 2: of me. He says, I almost put that eighteen wheeler
Speaker 2: in the ditch.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and and that was right. And I
Speaker 2: hate to say it, but I guess I'll put it
Speaker 2: out there. That was around the Culpepper area of Virginia.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, wow.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm just gonna you know, I just
Speaker 2: you know, well, which.
Speaker 1: That's not far fetched. There's a lot of world in there.
Speaker 1: Something people if for those who don't know that area,
Speaker 1: which I used to deliver up that area quite often
Speaker 1: from at my previous job, because I was all over
Speaker 1: the state of Virginia, West Virginia and you name it,
Speaker 1: I was there. But yeah, Culpeper built in the whole
Speaker 1: that whole general area. There's a lot of woods up
Speaker 1: there that it's not occupied or not pop related. But
Speaker 1: then again, it depends on what area you're in. But yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize how populated a forest
Speaker 1: that we have here right here in Virginia. People underestumeate
Speaker 1: what we have here going on.
Speaker 2: Hell, you and I could probably walk off, maybe a
Speaker 2: half a mile into the woods and not come out
Speaker 2: of the woodline until we get on the other side
Speaker 2: by the Ohio River.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well right in my backyard here where
Speaker 1: I live in the Shanandoah Valley. I live here in
Speaker 1: Adjustin County, in the town of Camora. But right where
Speaker 1: I live, the Blue Ridge Mountains is in my backyard.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah. If they if they don't know the
Speaker 1: Blue Ridge Mountains, they better start doing some research. Yeah, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I know right where you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly where you live. I know the general
Speaker 1: area where you live. The same thing up your way,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got nothing but woods and mountains up
Speaker 1: your way.
Speaker 2: So and the Shanadoah River too, so you know, oh,
Speaker 2: we all know the kind of the kind of you know,
Speaker 2: they they take the river ways and they take the
Speaker 2: power lines and the railroad tracks to to travel at night,
Speaker 2: because that's the best way to not get seen and
Speaker 2: the easiest way to travel right well, unless you're out
Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere. You know, it's been my
Speaker 2: experience that they stick to the ridge lines, you know,
Speaker 2: and avoid the haulers, you know.
Speaker 1: So oh absolutely so kind of somewhat switching gears. There
Speaker 1: is a couple of other questions. I know, they've kind
Speaker 1: of been popping up. There are questions that were being
Speaker 1: asked from my couple of previous guests after I uploaded
Speaker 1: to share the podcast around. Uh, these are kind of
Speaker 1: basic questions. But again, I kind of want to switch
Speaker 1: switch gears a little bit here. Uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: given this time a year talk about hibernation. Uh, people
Speaker 1: have asked do big foot hibernating? You know, and then
Speaker 1: I haven't. I mean I kind of have my sense
Speaker 1: on that because you know, looking at I don't know
Speaker 1: how you know, I don't know how you kind of
Speaker 1: feel on this. In a way, I compare Bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: personally kind of compare Bigfoot to a lot of black
Speaker 1: bear behavior because I mean people think, yeah, bears hibernating, Well,
Speaker 1: not only do the case yeah, Because I mean I've
Speaker 1: been out in the National Forest. I've been out in
Speaker 1: the forest and seeing bear tracks in the snow, and
Speaker 1: then they get out, they move around because they got
Speaker 1: to eat, you know. But because you know, as you know,
Speaker 1: are on the most part, our winters are pretty mild here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we do get some good healthy snows every now
Speaker 1: and then. So but but yeah, but what's your take
Speaker 1: on that. I mean, do you believe that big foot
Speaker 1: hibernates settle down or uh?
Speaker 2: Well, the best, the best way I can describe it
Speaker 2: is they're gonna be They're gonna be so in tuned
Speaker 2: with the the way the the the environment is and
Speaker 2: the seasonal changes that they're more than likely gonna try
Speaker 2: and migrate to a better and a better hunting ground. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're gonna follow the game. They're gonna they're gonna go
Speaker 2: where the water is the cleanest. You know. It's like
Speaker 2: I always say, if you want to, if you're camping
Speaker 2: and you have no water supply, always check to see
Speaker 2: where the birds nest, because the birds are gonna nest
Speaker 2: near the water source. You know, birds can't survive without water,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know neither can can bigfoot or
Speaker 2: dog men or any other cryptid out there for that matter.
Speaker 2: That's living in the wild. I believe that they utilize
Speaker 2: caves stems. The flesh and blood ones utilize cave systems.
Speaker 2: I think that they are very very adept at environmental camouflage. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, some people say that they can make themselves
Speaker 2: blip in and out. I tend to not really put
Speaker 2: too much faith in that. I think it's more of
Speaker 2: a of just you know, adrenaline and you know, just
Speaker 2: people seeing what they want to see, you know, and
Speaker 2: try somehow rationalize what they've experienced. That's not to say
Speaker 2: that some of them don't have techniques that you that
Speaker 2: would blow your mind away, making them seem like they
Speaker 2: disappeared and walking behind a tree and then boom they're gone.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean there's a possibility they can hibernate.
Speaker 2: But I think that they would be like any any
Speaker 2: animal in the wildlife that when they have the opportunity
Speaker 2: to get out and move around, they're going to right,
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna be, you know, unless they're in
Speaker 2: a deep hibernation state where it's almost like a stasis
Speaker 2: way of sleeping. I would say that they probably don't hibernate.
Speaker 2: I would say that they probably go to where the
Speaker 2: game is and where the weather is better and the
Speaker 2: environment is more pleasurable to their way of life living
Speaker 2: in the wild.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I agree.
Speaker 2: You know, that's just my theory. So that and a
Speaker 2: dollar might get you a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: Right, But see, I agree wholeheartedly because you know, to me,
Speaker 1: what makes sense is, you know, if they are feeding
Speaker 1: off the prey, which for example, dear uh in whatever
Speaker 1: other various wildlife are the deer? We have to ask
Speaker 1: ourselves or anybody should ask us, you know, if depending
Speaker 1: on the location or the state or the area you
Speaker 1: research or explorer or whatever whatever is nearby, do the
Speaker 1: deer disappear? Do the deer move along? Do the deer
Speaker 1: move out of state? Do they travel? Do they migrate?
Speaker 1: My my only my theory was if if the predators
Speaker 1: are going to hibernate, I mean, if to pray, if
Speaker 1: their food source is moving, then they would only make
Speaker 1: sense that they would have to move with the with
Speaker 1: their food source, you know, exactly.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know the other thing to consider too though,
Speaker 2: is you know, are they going to want to stick
Speaker 2: around in a climate that is cold and snow ridden? Yes,
Speaker 2: they're built for it. They're most definitely built for survival
Speaker 2: right during survival of the fittest, because they are the
Speaker 2: fittest in the woods. They are the keepers of the woods.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they they can adapt to any type of climate,
Speaker 2: I would imagine. So I've seen them in in every aspect.
Speaker 2: I have more interactions with them in the springtime and
Speaker 2: the summer than I do in the in the winter.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I've had other encounters in
Speaker 2: the wintertime with other cryptids that you know, like the
Speaker 2: dog man and other real wild life that we know
Speaker 2: is out there, like wolves and stuff in the wintertime
Speaker 2: that are out there foraging for food or looking or
Speaker 2: hunting for food anyway they can, you know, which includes
Speaker 2: human waste and human garbage. So any any bear that
Speaker 2: comes out of out of hibernation or you know, semi
Speaker 2: hibernation is gonna first thing they're gonna do is they're
Speaker 2: gonna want to eat, you know, So they're gonna they're
Speaker 2: gonna go where it's easiest to find the food to
Speaker 2: fatten themselves up as quickly as possible. And why wouldn't
Speaker 2: bigfoot do the same thing?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, There's a couple more questions I want to
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Speaker 1: one of the other questions I have on here, we
Speaker 1: were talking about their hibernation and everything. This is kind
Speaker 1: of out in left field here, but there's something I
Speaker 1: had written down here which we kind of discussed. This
Speaker 1: kind of going off topic just a little bit, but
Speaker 1: it's one of them. It's been kind of one of
Speaker 1: the discussions in one of my previous podcasts, these drones.
Speaker 1: I know, they kind of it seems like they kind
Speaker 1: of quiet down a little bit. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: hear much about them anymore. But one of my previous
Speaker 1: guests from Pennsylvania, now he's experienced witnessing some of these
Speaker 1: UFOs and he's kind of shared his input on them.
Speaker 1: He he He even kind of puts them as a
Speaker 1: UFO because we really don't know what they are. However,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wanted to kind of get
Speaker 1: your take on that. What do you feel, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you feel about these drones? Are they do
Speaker 1: you think the government's involved with them? Or could it
Speaker 1: be something totally different?
Speaker 2: I could I could tell you firsthand from first time
Speaker 2: experience that being in the military and anybody that's put
Speaker 2: in the military, like our brother Dave and Melissa, you know,
Speaker 2: and uh, there's also my co host on my my podcast,
Speaker 2: Eric Testerman. You know, he's an X you know, not
Speaker 2: an ex marine, but you know, he was a marine
Speaker 2: in active duty. And you know, we all can you know,
Speaker 2: testify to a point where we don't know really the
Speaker 2: extent fully of our government military technology.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I had an above top secret clearance in the military,
Speaker 2: and I was basically part of a network of the
Speaker 2: special access programs part of the military, the Department of Defense,
Speaker 2: which is a lot of black budget operations and stuff
Speaker 2: that technically aren't on the books, but they are part
Speaker 2: of the books, if you know what I mean. You know,
Speaker 2: there's there's so many things that that people assume are
Speaker 2: from another universe or another dimension, when in actuality, it's
Speaker 2: our own military doing it and testing and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I would say, in order to break it down, I
Speaker 2: would say that seventy percent of what you see in
Speaker 2: the sky is our own government, and maybe twenty five
Speaker 2: to thirty percent is is other you know, phenomena such
Speaker 2: as you know, certain celestial events, other objects in the
Speaker 2: sky that may be misconscrewed, as as something like a
Speaker 2: like a UFO or a UAP. And I would say
Speaker 2: probably out of all that, maybe ten percent are actually
Speaker 2: UFOs and UAPs, you know, and it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: sad to say that, but you know, we're never really
Speaker 2: going to get the whole truth.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's my belief that the whole disclosure thing that
Speaker 2: you're seeing now in Congress is is a red herring.
Speaker 2: It's it's a you know, it's a false flag event.
Speaker 2: It's it's to distract you from what's really.
Speaker 1: Going on, right, I agree, you know, and.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's sad to say that they've been doing
Speaker 2: that to us for the longest time. Since the inception
Speaker 2: of the CIA, they have been doing secret programs against
Speaker 2: their own populations here in the United States and testing
Speaker 2: radio waves frequencies you know, you name it, MK ultra
Speaker 2: operation and Popeye operation, blue Beam, you know, and the
Speaker 2: list goes on and on and on. They've been doing
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff to to test to see our
Speaker 2: reactions to things and whether it's physical reaction or or uh,
Speaker 2: psychological reaction. So I wouldn't I wouldn't put it past
Speaker 2: the drone activity being basically our military looking for something,
Speaker 2: whether it's whether it's radiological, and uh, they're they're they're
Speaker 2: putting a nanoparticle smart dust into the air, which you
Speaker 2: know is probably connected to the whole fog illness thing
Speaker 2: that they're talking about.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that, because not
Speaker 1: to interrupt you, but it's funny that you mentioned that
Speaker 1: my one of my previous guests, mister John Stasco, who
Speaker 1: has actually witnessed some of this phenomenon in Pennsylvania. Although
Speaker 1: we hear a lot of this that a lot of
Speaker 1: this arised and originated what seems to be out of
Speaker 1: New Jersey for the most part. Again, he's witnessed stuff
Speaker 1: out of Pennsylvania, but he shared some videos with me,
Speaker 1: you know, some Facebook video. It's kind of like what
Speaker 1: you do, you know, you share a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I've taken the time to look into some of this,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's all kinds of different theories or
Speaker 1: these videos are claiming that we should be more cautious
Speaker 1: because these drones are maybe what you just mentioned, probably
Speaker 1: spreading his brain stuff out there that may become a
Speaker 1: new issue, you know, with.
Speaker 2: Well, the theory is right now currently going around that
Speaker 2: you know, everybody talks about the end of times and
Speaker 2: all that, and you know, the whole fake you know,
Speaker 2: alien invasion thing that this Project Bluebeam is and all
Speaker 2: that but I take it one step further. I've been
Speaker 2: doing a lot of research lately because of my my
Speaker 2: near death experiences with the cancer that I'm battling. I've
Speaker 2: been I've been doing a lot of research into the
Speaker 2: supernatural aspect of things and being a wachashua wa kan
Speaker 2: myself and being spiritually centered and interacting with the supernatural
Speaker 2: on a daily basis. Pretty much. I've come to realize
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't put it past governments who maybe even
Speaker 2: try to fake the return of the Messiah. Everything that
Speaker 2: they're doing right now biblically wise, is is is right
Speaker 2: out of the book. It's you know, it's manipulation as
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned too, to possibly coerce the masses
Speaker 2: into you know, another way of of following the government's,
Speaker 2: you know, way of doing things right. There's there's also
Speaker 2: a talk of maybe you know that the smart dust
Speaker 2: is going to be part of the sign of the beast,
Speaker 2: the mark of the beast. You know, there's there's that connection,
Speaker 2: and you know there's connection with the the drone activity
Speaker 2: spraying stuff that is searching for radiation levels to see
Speaker 2: if there may be is a and I hate to
Speaker 2: say it, a boomstick that is radioactive, you know, somewhere
Speaker 2: in New Jersey or New York. We don't want to
Speaker 2: jump to conclusions. We want to look at it as
Speaker 2: rationally as possible, but yet think outside the box too
Speaker 2: at the same time. So you know, it's kind of
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty toss up for me. I'm one
Speaker 2: that I don't trust the government, okay, and I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't trust the government. I've worked for them, I've
Speaker 2: been in the military, I've done things for them, you know,
Speaker 2: and I know what they do, okay, and I know that.
Speaker 2: You know, it says in the Bible also that we
Speaker 2: not only do we have to you know, the principality
Speaker 2: these and all that that we have to go against,
Speaker 2: but we also have to watch out for the evil governors,
Speaker 2: which is descriptions of government, you know. And we all
Speaker 2: know that the way government is that they're going to
Speaker 2: do what's best for them and not what's best for
Speaker 2: the people. You know. It's been that way with my people,
Speaker 2: my indigenous background and my ancestors for for thousands of years.
Speaker 2: You know, it's been that way. You know, we've been
Speaker 2: we've been uh invaded upon by China. We've been invaded
Speaker 2: upon by the Norse, the Norse people, the Vikings, the British,
Speaker 2: the European Europeans, yeah, you name it. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: had every culture in the world come here, even before Columbus,
Speaker 2: so you know, and that's been proven. So you know,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past our government Daniel doing doing
Speaker 2: what they're doing, and and making it another reason or
Speaker 2: excuse to control the masses.
Speaker 1: I really don't, right, absolutely, shoot, I mean there's so
Speaker 1: much she brought the mind that I could grow out
Speaker 1: there too, I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, Christopher
Speaker 1: Columbus was given a lot of credit for whatever. He
Speaker 1: wasn't the first one land here. You know, there was
Speaker 1: Native Americas already here, you know, long before Christopher Columbus.
Speaker 1: Lee Erickson landed here many many hundreds of years before him.
Speaker 2: And there's yeah, there's proof right there from from Native
Speaker 2: legends too. With the Abenaki. You know, the Abaki talked
Speaker 2: about Kolas Scoff, this giant, this giant warrior that wasn't
Speaker 2: afraid of anything, and his best friend was was Otter,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know he was he was the kind
Speaker 2: of of of being that would would hide behind a
Speaker 2: bush and shake in fright when the ghosts at night
Speaker 2: used to come out, and uh, you know, Kula Scoff
Speaker 2: stood up to the ghost and you know, and and
Speaker 2: they basically vanquished them. And the legends and the stories
Speaker 2: of Kula Scoff are basically the same kind of legends
Speaker 2: that you would find with Bigfoot or or a very
Speaker 2: very large nor Nor Norrish type of an individual of Viking, right,
Speaker 2: you know? So I mean, yeah, yeah, they're going to show.
Speaker 1: Right, And there's a lot of history that does not
Speaker 1: get presented today like it used to. I mean, for example,
Speaker 1: I mean my parents, my parents watch Jeopardy, and I
Speaker 1: remember a few years ago one of the things that
Speaker 1: was presented on Jeopardy was where was you know? It
Speaker 1: had something to do with who was an America named after?
Speaker 1: And my parents are surprised. Who? I How I knew
Speaker 1: the answer before I got put out there. America Dyspucci. Yeah,
Speaker 1: America Dyspucci. America was named after America Dyspucci, who ran
Speaker 1: here in Florida some years before the Columbus. Like, how
Speaker 1: do you know that? So I learned that back in school.
Speaker 1: I said, that was back when history was still taught,
Speaker 1: you know, and you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's it's another thing too though, because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm always one that you know, the way the education
Speaker 2: system is set up, the education is set up by
Speaker 2: the victors, right you know, And and we're being taught
Speaker 2: by the victors, which means they're the ones that are
Speaker 2: in control, and we're the ones that are being enslaved
Speaker 2: with the knowledge that they're allowing us to have.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, They're limiting all knowledge, is what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do.
Speaker 2: We all know that civilizations built the top on top
Speaker 2: of civilization, you know. And you know, take for instance,
Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 8: You know, for the longest time, you know, we had
Speaker 8: native legends of of these beautiful people that came here
Speaker 8: that wore elegant you know, attire and stuff and built pyramids.
Speaker 2: In the Grand Canyon area. And recently they just found
Speaker 2: a cave that they marked off Little Egypt and bart
Speaker 2: you know, cornered it off away from public view because
Speaker 2: they found Egyptian artifacts in the Grand Canyon, you know,
Speaker 2: so you know, there's that connection to to to Egypt.
Speaker 2: So there's there's so much they don't teach us, and
Speaker 2: they reason and the Smithsonian and NASA are the two biggest,
Speaker 2: biggest frauds as far as I'm concerned. In history of America,
Speaker 2: the Smithsonian is is the leader and the cause for
Speaker 2: for hiding the giant bones that are discovered, right, you know,
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's ridiculous, it really is. And there's
Speaker 2: no wonder why so many people are starting to question
Speaker 2: everything and you know, basically you know, finding out on
Speaker 2: our own, you know, the truth.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Uh, there's something I came across earlier before
Speaker 1: we started this. I was watching. I came across something.
Speaker 1: I was watching something I had something to do with
Speaker 1: the coal miners, like you know in Kentucky for example,
Speaker 1: I mean coal miners. I don't know if this what
Speaker 1: the truth is behind this, but it sounds pretty legit
Speaker 1: from what I was watching. But coal miners with their
Speaker 1: equipment back in when they were back in the way,
Speaker 1: back in the day where they were so far under
Speaker 1: the ground, you know, doing their mining that where they've
Speaker 1: come across artifacts and old coins with bizarre looking images
Speaker 1: on them that didn't look or resemble anything modern, you know,
Speaker 1: or some of it was alien like or I shouldn't
Speaker 1: say really alien like, but just with images of weird
Speaker 1: creatures on these coins that they came across, you know,
Speaker 1: so it kind of I don't know, again, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the truth is behind that, if it was
Speaker 1: a real documentary documentary or what. But there's some bizarre
Speaker 1: stuff that some of the coal miners have discovered during
Speaker 1: their mining. You know, it makes makes you really wonder true.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you take a look at the
Speaker 2: at the at some of the biggest copper minds in
Speaker 2: the in the world right now, you see that they
Speaker 2: actually they mine it in a level type of a thing.
Speaker 2: They'll go on certain levels. And you compare those pictures
Speaker 2: with a certain part of the Grand Canyon, and you know,
Speaker 2: America was so rich back in the day before the
Speaker 2: Europeans came here with copper and silver that we mined it.
Speaker 2: Indigenous people mined it out of the Grand Canyon area
Speaker 2: and also in the areas around Upper Michigan in the
Speaker 2: Peninsula of Michigan, right so you know, those are the
Speaker 2: two biggest areas where copper mining was was used as
Speaker 2: a bartering tool, you know. So you know, and the
Speaker 2: Egyptians used copper and gold all the time in silver
Speaker 2: and everything that they made, So there's that connection too. So,
Speaker 2: I mean there's so much that that we are taught
Speaker 2: that is false that unless we really go out and
Speaker 2: do the investigation and research on our own, we're never
Speaker 2: really going to know the percent of the truth.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I mean I part of me feels like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a matter of time, certain things will come to
Speaker 1: like then again, at the same time, I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe there's certain things will never really know to a
Speaker 1: tea but you know, uh, I don't know. This is
Speaker 1: how I feel on a lot of this because a
Speaker 1: lot of people share a lot of information with me,
Speaker 1: uh regarding various uh theories and you know, and this
Speaker 1: and that, and I try not to read too much
Speaker 1: into them, the type of personally like, Okay, if there's
Speaker 1: going to be any truth involved, I mean, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some concrete evidence eventually, if anything, that will kind
Speaker 1: of shed some light on certain certain topics and certain
Speaker 1: things because a lot of these conspiracy theories, again, a
Speaker 1: lot of people like to share and present things to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know where, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: get drawn into that too much, right, I mean I'll
Speaker 1: look at things and look, okay, kind of take mental
Speaker 1: notes of these things, keep it in the back of
Speaker 1: my head. But you know, until so we have some
Speaker 1: concrete evidence, I don't want to jump on things and
Speaker 1: I feel and I feel that's what a lot of
Speaker 1: people do. They jump on these things, but well, where's
Speaker 1: the evidence of it? You know, it's just it's just
Speaker 1: a theory, you know, I mean, and that's what's taking
Speaker 1: over a lot of our mindset is the theories. I
Speaker 1: mean big put included.
Speaker 2: But that's like, that's like the whole how the whole
Speaker 2: that was at one time Pangaea and you know right right,
Speaker 2: those connections could have been made during the time when
Speaker 2: the continent was one big continent and you know called Pangaea, right,
Speaker 2: the reason the Egyptian artifacts were here. But there's a
Speaker 2: there's a discrepancy in the timelines of history that we're taught.
Speaker 2: And we're taught that the the that the earth is
Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of ninety to one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty million years old, you know, or whatnot, and
Speaker 2: through history and in actuality, it doesn't add up to
Speaker 2: that much, you know exactly.
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that, because I'm the same I
Speaker 1: think in view the same way you do.
Speaker 2: And it's just it's just, you know, I've been you know,
Speaker 2: I was taught by my my father to literally question everything,
Speaker 2: you know, because you want to go, you don't want
Speaker 2: to go. There's a time to speak and a time
Speaker 2: to be silent. It is the first thing that I
Speaker 2: was taught, right, you know, if I'm silent, I'm silent
Speaker 2: for a reason, right. It's it's there's just there's so
Speaker 2: much that we need that we have been misguided and
Speaker 2: mistaught over time, and I just wish that the powers
Speaker 2: that be would would be honest with humanity and and
Speaker 2: tell them the truth.
Speaker 1: You know, right, I mean, like, for example, now, I
Speaker 1: know there's so many paleontologists, there are archaeologists, and so
Speaker 1: many other different types of scientists out there. They all
Speaker 1: have their own theory. But at the same time, a
Speaker 1: lot of them like to jump on board with the
Speaker 1: lifespan of Earth. You know how long we've been around, right,
Speaker 1: But very few you know, everybody's going to have their
Speaker 1: own take on this. But I don't think Earth is
Speaker 1: as old as what what scientists say. I really don't.
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot earlier. I mean, if I
Speaker 1: have to speak my mind on this, I think five
Speaker 1: thousand years old is the next, right, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I think a lot of what we discover and
Speaker 1: what's being found to archaeologists and stuff is it was
Speaker 1: probably only a couple of thousand years ago, you know,
Speaker 1: not two million years.
Speaker 2: You know, you know we're basing you think about it, though,
Speaker 2: we're basing our science off of off of a history
Speaker 2: that that isn't factual. And the way of testing things,
Speaker 2: and and I mean who basically made the teachers of knowledge?
Speaker 2: Who gave them the information that they're basing their their
Speaker 2: theories on, because that's all it is a theory.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean there
Speaker 1: is very few, but there is a few that you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, there's other paleontologists and archaeologists, longtime scientists
Speaker 1: that have been you know, involved with the studies and
Speaker 1: the research behind what they do that will there's some
Speaker 1: if you do you if you dig deep and do
Speaker 1: your research, which I've actually come across a few which
Speaker 1: I was actually kind of surprised to find. These people
Speaker 1: that they will tell you the Earth is not as
Speaker 1: old as what people believe it is. Because what other
Speaker 1: scientists has claimed. You know, there's no.
Speaker 2: Can I give you. Let me, let me give you
Speaker 2: some information. I follow a guy that I think he
Speaker 2: is just he's phenomenal. He's he's he's my age or
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of years older. He has it's what
Speaker 2: it's called mud fossil University. Okay, it's called mud fossil
Speaker 2: University for anybody out there that wants to to take
Speaker 2: a different look at things. And he has is one
Speaker 2: that really uh he's he's well versed in a lot
Speaker 2: of the the archaeology of things, the he's big into
Speaker 2: the giants theory. Yeah, it's really really fascinating stuff that
Speaker 2: he's he's finding out the truth about and he's been
Speaker 2: around for quite a while doing it, and so you know,
Speaker 2: he's very versed at it. And uh, I would I
Speaker 2: would consider his his theories to be more sound than
Speaker 2: what we're taught in school. Let's put it there, right. So,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's called mud fossil universities and it's he's
Speaker 2: a really good guy to follow. He's got a lot
Speaker 2: of good information, so information that makes you really question
Speaker 2: what we're taught.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, absolutely, Well give me one second. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: you haven't do you have a name to go by
Speaker 1: on that as far as who's behind that.
Speaker 2: Uh, just I have his name, but I don't like
Speaker 2: to give out his name. But all you gotta do
Speaker 2: is is is.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He has a YouTube channel called mud Fossil University and
Speaker 2: he's on Facebook also and Instagram. Okay, yeah, just just
Speaker 2: punching mud sssal University and uh, it'll come up so
Speaker 2: you'll know that he's the only one that does.
Speaker 1: Awesome if Yeah, I'll have to look into that myself.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm always looking into yeah, yeah, interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: So all right, very good, very good. Yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: there's so much we can get into on this here too,
Speaker 1: because that would definitely be a different topic for a
Speaker 1: whole different discussion on another episode for sure. But I
Speaker 1: love getting don't get me wrong. I love getting into
Speaker 1: talking about different theories and you know, other things from
Speaker 1: because you know, I think what a lot of people
Speaker 1: here throughout the years, and you know what that depends
Speaker 1: on how or how or who or what they follow.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people get stuck on hearing
Speaker 1: and thinking and believing in one mind set, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: Because I really think people need to be more open
Speaker 1: and to consider these other possibilities, because it would be
Speaker 1: a game changer if they were to listen to these
Speaker 1: other talks.
Speaker 2: The best, the best, the best movie advice I ever
Speaker 2: saw when I was growing up. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you were a big Bruce Lee, Oh my gosh, yeah,
Speaker 2: his one of his movies he did. I think it
Speaker 2: was Entering Enter the Dragon, Right, he's teaching the young
Speaker 2: man and he's he says, he says to the young man,
Speaker 2: you know, he points to heaven and he points to
Speaker 2: the sky, and he says, the world is is like
Speaker 2: the tip of your finger. And the kid looks at
Speaker 2: the tip of his finger, and he smacks the kid
Speaker 2: in the back of the head, and he says, but
Speaker 2: don't forget to look at all that heavenly glory that
Speaker 2: you see above that finger pointing to the sky and right,
Speaker 2: and that's that's just you know, that that encapsulates the
Speaker 2: way to actually look at things. You could either walk
Speaker 2: through life with blinders on like a like a pack
Speaker 2: mule wood. Oh yeah, or you could walk through life
Speaker 2: questioning everything and and and learning for yourself the way
Speaker 2: things are, you know exactly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that kind of goes for show
Speaker 1: like I used to do. Uh, I used to do
Speaker 1: some door door sales. I used to work for a
Speaker 1: home excuse me, eighty key home security systems. And with
Speaker 1: what I did, we were we were basically trained with
Speaker 1: a speech or a presentation when we went the door
Speaker 1: door and we were able to a form it in
Speaker 1: our own way. But through our classroom training doing the sales,
Speaker 1: are you know our instructor used to tell us that
Speaker 1: put on the blinders to stay focused on that one topic,
Speaker 1: on what we're trained to do. And and and that's
Speaker 1: the problem with today's society. Everybody gets everybody is forced
Speaker 1: to have these blinders on. You know, we're forced to
Speaker 1: see one way, or believe one way, or think one way.
Speaker 1: That's where it's important for us to open our minds
Speaker 1: and like, wait a minute, are we really being taught
Speaker 1: in the right thing? You know? So people need to
Speaker 1: open up take to remove the blinders. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: we're focused on one way because society, and that's one
Speaker 1: thing I presented in the past, and that's why a
Speaker 1: lot of people, there's a lot of people blinded by
Speaker 1: the whole subject the bigfoot sasquatch or any other cryptics
Speaker 1: for that matter right through our mental program. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: through the mental program and through society. You know, regardless
Speaker 1: of what we're taught from our youth, we're taught to
Speaker 1: think and believe in a certain you know way instead
Speaker 1: of open up. You know, there's a reality that we're
Speaker 1: not taught to look at, you know, so you know,
Speaker 1: we need to open our minds and think, Okay, what
Speaker 1: why is society programming us this way? You know, they
Speaker 1: want us to believe this. It's happening more and more
Speaker 1: in modern times now than it was since I was
Speaker 1: a kid. I mean back when, back when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, Yeah, history was a little different. We actually learned,
Speaker 1: you know, back when history before it got perverted and
Speaker 1: closed off to us. You know, a lot of us.
Speaker 1: Look with my year, my age, and my generation, we
Speaker 1: were taught history the way it was supposed to be taught.
Speaker 1: Then I've seen it change over the years. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm still young enough to realize that they were trying
Speaker 1: to you know, like when my when my daughter was
Speaker 1: going to school, they're not taught teaching history. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of crap. I
Speaker 1: used to ask my daughter, she's you know she should
Speaker 1: have known this stuff. I said, they don't. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about. They don't teach you this. This is
Speaker 1: this is the important stuff, you know. So with today's youth,
Speaker 1: they started just neglecting things or closing things off and
Speaker 1: just teaching a big push.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big push now, Daniel, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've noticed though, is there's a big push now basically
Speaker 2: from a certain group of individuals in this country where
Speaker 2: they're saying that our children don't need to be educated,
Speaker 2: they need to be taken by the government.
Speaker 1: Now. So well that's where yeah, right, I get that,
Speaker 1: because they want everybody to be dependent on the government, right,
Speaker 1: which no, you know, h there's former presidents and no,
Speaker 1: they there's certain former presidents years from our years past,
Speaker 1: back when I was growing up. We'll tell you no,
Speaker 1: the government, you know, don't let the government control you.
Speaker 1: Basically what they're saying, you know, don't depend on your government.
Speaker 1: But there is there are certain parties that want you
Speaker 1: to become dependent upon them. You know, same thing for
Speaker 1: the same dependent parties that that want you to be
Speaker 1: you know that they want to be in control because
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we still want to keep you a
Speaker 1: slave follow us.
Speaker 2: The whole system set up. The way the whole system
Speaker 2: is set up is like I tell everybody, from a
Speaker 2: lot of my research that I do because I research everything, right,
Speaker 2: I'm not just a supernatural and paranormal investigator. I research everything,
Speaker 2: including conspiracy theories and the whole nine yards. And I've
Speaker 2: come across a lot of different things that a lot
Speaker 2: of people never knew about the Royal family in the UK.
Speaker 2: You know how back in the early eighteen hundreds they
Speaker 2: became broke, and you know, they basically were approached by
Speaker 2: the Rothschilds and in I think it was eighteen twenty
Speaker 2: two as a matter of factor eighteen twelve somewhere around there,
Speaker 2: because the Rothschilds told them, you make an agreement with us,
Speaker 2: that you breed your bloodline with our family and we'll
Speaker 2: finance you. And that's how the Rothschild's blood line got
Speaker 2: into the Royal family blood line. And that's why a
Speaker 2: lot of people feel that that bloodline currently is not
Speaker 2: the right blood line when it comes to the Royalty
Speaker 2: of the United Kingdom because of it, you know. And
Speaker 2: then in a lot of my research, I just recently
Speaker 2: found out that a lot of people really don't know
Speaker 2: about is. And I found this absolutely fascinating, to tell
Speaker 2: you the truth, but that King Charles of the United
Speaker 2: Kingdom is the living air to the Vlad the Impaler's kingdom, right,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the real the real Lad d Impaler.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm a fan of his by the way, because
Speaker 1: they made movies about Bad the Empy. Of course you're
Speaker 1: in the vampire movies. I am a big fan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many people do you think know that
Speaker 2: King Charles of the UK is a descendant and the
Speaker 2: surviving heir to that kingdom?
Speaker 1: Right? That's interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that tells you right there the way
Speaker 2: things are going, right. So yeah, I mean there's there's
Speaker 2: so much we're not taught. There really is, and I
Speaker 2: mean I talk about it all the time on my podcast,
Speaker 2: but you know, people tend to not not understand that
Speaker 2: they have a right to question it. You know, they
Speaker 2: have a white right to to question everything that they're
Speaker 2: taught because it's not the way it is, you know.
Speaker 1: So and that's the thing I mean, and that kind
Speaker 1: of relates. You know, we can look at this in
Speaker 1: so many different directions here, I mean, between the history, politics,
Speaker 1: even what we're discussing in general bigfoot cryptids. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's why there's so many uh, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for. There's so many skeptics
Speaker 1: on the on this level for so many reasons, because again,
Speaker 1: we're we're we're programmed with these blinders, the kind of
Speaker 1: you know, not think outside the box when you know,
Speaker 1: to consider the possibilities of these other realms and these
Speaker 1: other you know, realities that actually live among us, you know.
Speaker 1: So uh, it's it's it's mind blowing too. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even the whole I don't know, if you you know,
Speaker 2: I do a lot of research about the ana Naki.
Speaker 1: Also, I know a little bit about that. I was
Speaker 1: actually watching a video clip on that. Uh actually also
Speaker 1: before we started the podcast tonight, but I started to
Speaker 1: follow this some of it.
Speaker 6: But yeah, oh that that that had something to do
Speaker 6: with what I was talking about earlier, with the coal
Speaker 6: miners finding these ancient coins that were from ancient times
Speaker 6: in history, where then they started to talking about the enoki.
Speaker 1: You know, so I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: what's going on here?
Speaker 2: The Sumerian tablet is the is the oldest text in
Speaker 2: history of humanity. And you know, basically you can make
Speaker 2: the comparisons with the Bible to the Anak's leaders, the
Speaker 2: two brothers Ilil and Inky, and Anky was basically the
Speaker 2: the the nicer of the two brothers that kind of
Speaker 2: disclose to humanity. To Adam and Eve, the basic skills
Speaker 2: that they would need to basically master at the same
Speaker 2: level as the Onoki were, right, but the older brother
Speaker 2: there and will didn't didn't feel that way. And who
Speaker 2: ironically he got labeled as as the name Satan basically right,
Speaker 2: he wants he wanted to control humanity, to uh make
Speaker 2: humanity slaves. And I do believe that even today that
Speaker 2: there's possibly the bloodline of the Onanaki and a connection
Speaker 2: to the Rothschilds. And this is just you know, theory
Speaker 2: right now, but eventually I will prove it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, William, I, I got to tell you what We're
Speaker 1: going to come to a close here, but you know
Speaker 1: this is something we I think we really need to
Speaker 1: continue in discussion. I know you get into on your podcast.
Speaker 1: I know you will do a lot of conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: and going down the rabbit hole on a lot of
Speaker 1: different topics. Perhaps I mean, it's totally a for you.
Speaker 1: We could do this on your show, or we can
Speaker 1: continue this online. But you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different things. I know, I know this is a big
Speaker 1: foot podcast that we're on, and you know, we we
Speaker 1: kind of went off topic a little bit, but I
Speaker 1: love it. I personally, I don't know if the listeners
Speaker 1: will enjoy this or appreciate this, but I hope they
Speaker 1: do because I love I love the direction where we went.
Speaker 2: It just comes down to knowledge, you know, and and
Speaker 2: you know, knowledge is power, you know, and they've been
Speaker 2: controlling our knowledge and limiting our power, you know, right,
Speaker 2: and that that includes the cryptids and the paranormal activity.
Speaker 1: So absolutely absolutely I'm gonna for a future next podcast
Speaker 1: because yeah, I'm gonna do one more podcast and kind
Speaker 1: of give it a break from the rest of the
Speaker 1: month and then pick the pick it back up. But
Speaker 1: I do want to try to plan something. I would
Speaker 1: love to have you back for sure. Now, you know
Speaker 1: one person who's I don't think he's ever been on
Speaker 1: a podcast before, but I'm going to talk to him.
Speaker 1: You know, our good friend, mister David Lester. I love him,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, he's him and Melissa are the twoest,
Speaker 1: coolest people. I'm glad to have him is a part
Speaker 1: of the team. You know, they are great to have
Speaker 1: his friends, fellow researchers and and you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to David even just sitting around the camp.
Speaker 1: You know, David has a lot of information. He studies
Speaker 1: it follows a lot of this stuff too. And uh,
Speaker 1: I know he's got a lot of information. So with
Speaker 1: that being said, I'm going to talk to him and
Speaker 1: see if I can get him on here. See, I
Speaker 1: don't know what his work schedule is for tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: but I'd love to have him on again. I don't
Speaker 1: know what if your schedule will allow it, but would
Speaker 1: you be willing to jump on again for Friday night?
Speaker 2: Well, I could try. I have a podcast I do
Speaker 2: at at eleven o'clock in the evening on Eastern time.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, Well, well, I mean we could start
Speaker 1: earlier like we did tonight. We start around seven pm,
Speaker 1: you know, and then kind of go, you know, we
Speaker 1: could run for an hour, hour and a half and
Speaker 1: then that way you'll have me, you know, hopefully get
Speaker 1: a break before you start yours.
Speaker 2: So yeah, fine, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna reach out to David
Speaker 1: see if you would be willing to jump on and
Speaker 1: the three of us get in and on there and
Speaker 1: you know, kind of taking off from there and we'll
Speaker 1: start off doing the Bigfoot talk and kind of getting
Speaker 1: in from there, you know, because I always like to
Speaker 1: keep this big foot, you know, as much as possible.
Speaker 2: So well, and brother's been a part of my life
Speaker 2: for a long time. Man. So absolutely, I definitely I
Speaker 2: could talk about that subject all the time.
Speaker 1: So oh for sure. Oh yeah, me too. Absolutely, there's
Speaker 1: so much. There's so much, h uh, I mean, topics
Speaker 1: involving you know, sasquatch, big pot and in between. You know.
Speaker 1: But like what happened with us tonight, you know, we
Speaker 1: kind of we kind of started branching off a little bit,
Speaker 1: which I loved it. I Mean, I maybe our listening
Speaker 1: to the listeners might feel different, I don't know, but you know,
Speaker 1: if there's anyone that loves to hear conspiracy theories and
Speaker 1: and hearing everything in between, I mean, I'm sure those
Speaker 1: there's there's those out there that do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So check out Nighthawk Ives Strange, this podcast channel on
Speaker 2: YouTube then and Facebook, and uh, you know, if they want,
Speaker 2: if you want conspiracy theories and you like talking about
Speaker 2: all types of cryptis and stuff, that's what we do.
Speaker 2: So and and that's why I like talking with you, Daniel,
Speaker 2: because you're a brother to me. And uh yeah, we
Speaker 2: uh we meant under under times when I was having
Speaker 2: a really really hard hard time with the cancer, and
Speaker 2: you know, you befriended me in a way that impressed
Speaker 2: me to basically consider you family and your dad, so
Speaker 2: and David and Melissa, and it just went from there
Speaker 2: and now it's Ron and and everybody too. So you know,
Speaker 2: I love you all very much and I think the
Speaker 2: world of you, and I will always be here for
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Oh that reminds me. Dad wanted me to make
Speaker 1: sure I said hello. He wanted me to tell you hello.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you tell him.
Speaker 1: I said hello.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk to him again at the
Speaker 2: event in June.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, he's looking at He missed you the last year.
Speaker 1: He didn't. Mom made it up there, but Dad wasn't
Speaker 1: able to make it up there. But he plans on
Speaker 1: making sure he makes his presidence known. He wants to
Speaker 1: see you again. Good good. Yeah, absolutely, uh, and then
Speaker 1: there's gonna be other talks. Hopefully you can make it
Speaker 1: to our our main group camp out, because I mean
Speaker 1: that's very special to all of us, and we're going
Speaker 1: to be doing some special filling during that event. Hopefully
Speaker 1: your you know, your health is up for it. You know,
Speaker 1: even if you can come up there for just a
Speaker 1: couple of days, I mean that'd be great, you know.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. Because I've been I've been you know,
Speaker 2: trying to walk more, but you know, obviously with the
Speaker 2: snowfall that we got lately and the high winds, i
Speaker 2: haven't been getting out as much. But I'm slowly going
Speaker 2: to build myself back up to to where I can
Speaker 2: get out there in the springtime again.
Speaker 1: So right, absolutely absolutely. Because of the location where we're
Speaker 1: going to camp at, like I said, it's a very
Speaker 1: special location, you know, Like I tell people, for those
Speaker 1: who I mentioned, I don't mention the specific location publicly
Speaker 1: for those only for those who want to come out
Speaker 1: there and be a part of the event, because you
Speaker 1: won't find the reports that we know about that location
Speaker 1: through the v f R. It's I've heard I myself.
Speaker 1: I know David's heard things but I've gotten reports from
Speaker 1: this location. It's a very special active area with a
Speaker 1: lot of history and reports both bigfoot, even mountain lions. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, and for those who don't believe that we
Speaker 1: have mountain lions in Virginia, you have something to really
Speaker 1: learn about, you know, because this area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the other thing too that they don't tell you. Now,
Speaker 2: they've released wolves, They've released yes, you know, elk and
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. So this area is thriving with wildlife,
Speaker 2: you know, just oh yeah, so yeah, I mean we've
Speaker 2: got mountain lions too. I guarantee that we've seen them here.
Speaker 1: I mean we got I personally have evidence of wolves
Speaker 1: here in Virginia. Not only did I see what I
Speaker 1: believed to be a wolf's chasing a deer, I have
Speaker 1: actually a image a picture of a well, the wolf.
Speaker 1: It was a red wolf. It was over eighty pounds. Actually,
Speaker 1: it was shared to my parents when they were they
Speaker 1: met this lady over in Uva in the waiting room. Well,
Speaker 1: the lady shared a picture. It was her husband. He
Speaker 1: has a red wolf that he's holding up in his hands.
Speaker 1: He shot and killed because it was getting into their livestock,
Speaker 1: which is actually just east of where I live and
Speaker 1: over on the other side of the mountain. But I've
Speaker 1: seen what I believed to be a wolf chasing a deer.
Speaker 1: That was some that was That was several years ago.
Speaker 1: But I have no doubt that we have wolves here
Speaker 1: in Virginia. Uh, you know, red wolf. If there's any
Speaker 1: other species, I'm not sure, but red wolf. And you know,
Speaker 1: people that want don't want to believe that, I suggest
Speaker 1: to do your little bit of a research and history
Speaker 1: on that. There's a lot of the wolf migration came
Speaker 1: from up north, and a lot of them are believed
Speaker 1: to be down here anyway, but we have evidence of
Speaker 1: their existence here. You know. Same thing with mountain lions.
Speaker 1: That's a whole different topic. I've witnessed one and and
Speaker 1: I've had so many responses to my blog posts that
Speaker 1: I put out there some years ago. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of eye witnesses to mountain lions.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 2: lot of sightings too of like the black panthers, black
Speaker 2: cats and stuff, big cats like mountain lions.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, well, I kind of I kind of chalk
Speaker 3: that up to the uh, the influx of the Canadian
Speaker 3: black links coming down here, because you know they're a
Speaker 3: big cat and that would be missing thrued as a
Speaker 3: as a black panther, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Right, Which I understand that because I'm a witness to
Speaker 1: seeing a mountain lion, which I would declare what I've
Speaker 1: seen in twenty fifteen in the same ear just outside
Speaker 1: of where I had my big front encounter. Uh there was.
Speaker 1: I actually had another individual with me, he witnessed it
Speaker 1: with me. But in twenty fifteen, the same year I
Speaker 1: had won my second encounter. Well during the broad broad
Speaker 1: daylight right outside the entrance of the lake, we've seen
Speaker 1: a black panther. Now, it didn't start off as I
Speaker 1: didn't know what the heck I was seeing until it
Speaker 1: actually got up on all fours across the road and
Speaker 1: you see that long tale dragon behind it. Yep.
Speaker 2: Ye, So well, I don't want to keep you any longer, brother, So.
Speaker 1: Oh, no problem, no problem. We will be back on this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll be in touch if you could do this tomorrow
Speaker 1: night at seven pm. I'm going to try to get
Speaker 1: David with us, or maybe possibly another individual, but David's
Speaker 1: for sure if he's.
Speaker 2: Not occupied, So right, sounds good.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, thank you very much, William. It's been
Speaker 1: great having you. And yes, let's shoot for set seven
Speaker 1: pm Friday night.
Speaker 2: All right, brother, I'll talk to you then.
Speaker 1: All right, I have a good night, man. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much.
Speaker 2: Ye, thank you everybody absolutely.
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