WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:15.519 What what's gonna happen? I'll take what. 3 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:28.000 Welcome to another episode of the Headless is Magical mail Bag. 4 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:31.879 I got with me tonight, my co host Nick, and 5 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:34.719 we are going over some sigils. 6 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:39.159 Yes, so let's uh let's start with you. Nick, go 7 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:41.119 ahead right, yes? 8 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:44.439 Uh sorry, I'm trying to six there we go. I 9 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:46.000 forgot to set up the rumbles. I was like, oh, 10 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:50.719 it's not working. Uh yeah, all right, so uh yes, 11 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.079 real quick, we have the uh what is this one? Yeah? 12 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:58.600 The caput a dragons Latin head of the dragon. It 13 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.200 is a glypt for ending the north lunar node, an 14 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:06.000 idea that traveled from Babylonian astronomy through Greek, Arabic and 15 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:10.680 medieval Europe. Visually, it looks like an upward facing horseshoe 16 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.719 or kind of like that ome and I'll show you 17 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:18.000 later shaped loop Renaissance magic. Its outline is often doubled 18 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:22.680 or ringed to make a talisman seal. Astronomical and mythic 19 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.599 origins the node and eclipses. The ascending node marks the 20 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.879 point where the moon crosses above the ecliptic and above 21 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.920 the ecliptic and eclipses happen when sun or moon are 22 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:39.920 near the dragon. Mythology, Greek texts call it oh God 23 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:44.439 this word, and a bibizon I said that right the 24 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:49.560 rising point. In Indian astrology, person personifies it at the 25 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:55.480 severed demon head Rahu forever devouring the luminaries. And these 26 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:58.519 stories gave the node its dragon imagery and its reputation 27 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:04.599 for both appetite and augmentation. The first appearances in magical literature. 28 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:09.360 It shows up in the tenth century under d Imaginabus. 29 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:13.319 It's an image or a magic manual carved the head 30 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:17.719 of a composite talisman while the node is on the 31 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.800 ascendant to give authority to it. Eleventh or twelfth century 32 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.159 it shows up in the Pika Trix, and the head 33 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:29.599 augments any planet it contacts. It's recipes for north Node 34 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:34.800 talismans to make your magic more powerful. The thirteenth century, 35 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:40.240 it shows up in Guido Banati's Astronomia, and it's drawn 36 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:43.280 as a dragon biting its tail, and it governs beginnings 37 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:47.360 in our orary charts and that you can see in 38 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:54.120 some ms illustrations like manuscripts in the Renaissance times around 39 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:56.719 you start getting up to Agrippa, you see him using it. 40 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.360 He prints a sigil of Caputraconus besides that of Cadua 41 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:05.360 Draconis and the twenty eight lunar mansions. He recommends it 42 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:11.159 for great success impetitions when conjoined with Jupiter. In geomancy, 43 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:13.719 Agrippa's Book four turns the node into one of the 44 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:18.719 sixteen Geomantic figures. In this form, it resembles a step 45 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:24.360 towards a threshold and is fortunate for entering ventures. Peter 46 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.560 Apaine it graved at the dragon's head on the volvulus 47 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:35.280 of the Astranamachum god these words casarium from fifteen forty 48 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:39.120 and he's linking it to eclipse tables. Well, that interesting. 49 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.000 Around the sixteen hundreds people who practiced it or known 50 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:47.759 William Lilly sixteen forty seven. He's under Christiana's astrology. He 51 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:52.120 treats the node as a minor benefit that signifies increase 52 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.680 and friends when well placed. The Hermetic Order of the 53 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.719 Golden Down started using it around the eighteen nineties for 54 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:02.400 knowledge lectures, and it uses the geomantic figure and it 55 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.240 teaches it as good, and it teaches that the symbol 56 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.280 is good with good, evil with evil, and lucky for 57 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:12.800 gain and Alista. Crowley used it in ritual geomancy and 58 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.240 some of his Pnocchian visions, and he assigns the figure 59 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:20.399 to Venus and Jupiter and places its sigils. It places 60 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:26.079 its sigil and pentagrams for money or love workings, the 61 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:28.240 symbol and the magical uses you know again just to 62 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.519 go over some other you know, for augmentation and gateways. 63 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.560 Traditional manuals say the head amplifies whatever it touches, hence 64 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:39.879 talismans for promotion, growth or initiating projects. The Pika trix 65 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:43.360 warns that the same magnifier will boost malafix, so you're 66 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:48.600 bad if they roll the chart geomantic divination falling in 67 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:53.199 the ascendant, it blesses any new undertaking. In the tenth 68 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:57.000 it promises professional success, and in the twelfth it is 69 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:01.000 neutral or not very good. Golden doors when tables expand 70 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.040 these house judgments a little bit more if people are 71 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:08.720 into that and astro magical things favorable When Jupiter, Venus 72 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:12.360 or waxing moons can join the node outside eclipse season, 73 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.600 and it's avoided during eclipses because the dragon devours light. 74 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:22.920 There you go, so, well, that is really interesting. I 75 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:24.120 mean on so many level. 76 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.279 Even that figure right there where you've got the moon, 77 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:28.079 if you want to go back. 78 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:30.879 On, Yeah, I do like that associated with the eclipses. 79 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:32.920 Staring at the sun. 80 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.959 And what I've noticed is when I'm driving at dawn, 81 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:43.199 the moon, Venus, and the Sun will all align in 82 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:47.639 sort of a you know, a straight line across the sky. 83 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:48.480 Yeah. 84 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.720 Yeah, sun is rising, and so what do we see 85 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.959 here that same idea. I guess there's Venus in the 86 00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:00.439 middle somewhere, which would make sense. And then that's sort 87 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.120 of the node. I'm not sure what you mean by node. 88 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:04.959 Is there like a placement in the sky. 89 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:07.800 Yeah, that's what I would assume that. I am gonna 90 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:09.279 be totally honest with you. I'm not really good with 91 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.959 those that part of astrology. Ya, but nodes are normally, 92 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:14.879 like I think, they're actually stuff in the sky. I 93 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:15.959 could before. 94 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.360 Interesting, Well you would go to the next one. 95 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:24.800 Yeah, yeah, oops, wait hold on, yeah, this one likes cool. 96 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:30.639 Oh tried to acto is it? 97 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:31.160 Yeah? 98 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:39.040 Oh inside the egg? Yeah, it's a beast inside. 99 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:40.920 Well, I mean that's what he would he would claim, 100 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.680 a beast inside the egg and it's serpentine. 101 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:44.879 Oh that's triacto. 102 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:53.439 Whoa, and this. 103 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:58.040 Is all about that node. Huh. Yeah, that's awesome. So 104 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:02.800 that's like Katoo and Rahu, the two dragons. 105 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:07.720 I thought that only existed in Vedic, but I guess 106 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:09.680 Caput draconas. 107 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:13.240 And then what was the other one or something? 108 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.279 Oh, yeah, there was one op yeah, what was it? 109 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:22.319 It was another one that went one da yeah that yes. 110 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.800 Yeah, because I got the geomantic figure right here. 111 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:27.240 If you want to hear about it, yeah, yeah, go 112 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:28.439 for it. 113 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:31.720 Catput Draconas is a geomantic figure that represents the head 114 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:34.079 of the dragon. In Latin, it is associated with the 115 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.759 north node of the moon. I guess that's the highest 116 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:41.720 level of the moon's ascendancy, and is considered a figure 117 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:45.879 of new beginnings, fresh starts, and personal growth. The figure 118 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.560 is often linked to the concept of an entrance or doorway, 119 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.120 symbolizing the start of a journey a new cycle. In 120 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:55.120 terms of elemental influence, Capput Draconas has earth, water, and 121 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:59.720 air active, while fire is passive. This combination suggests a 122 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:05.959 influence with the intuitive and rational elements, striving towards spiritual energy. 123 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.040 The figure is generally seen as a favorable for any 124 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:12.639 kind of beginnings, indicating a drastic turn for the better 125 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:17.639 and new possibilities to explore. Capa Draconis is also associated 126 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.839 with the idea of integration the spirit and the future, 127 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:23.920 as well as the opportunities that lie ahead. It is 128 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.399 connected to the zodiac sign Virgo and the element of Earth, 129 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.519 and is often seen as a figure that brings benedictions, prosperity, 130 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:38.200 and spiritual development and geomantic readings. Capa draconas can indicate 131 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.840 a period of change which may be slow moving but 132 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.399 ultimately positive. It is often linked to anxiety or unrest 133 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.519 and appears doing significant life changes, but it also seen 134 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:56.320 as the potential positive outcomes. And so here's the sigil 135 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.799 for the geomancy. 136 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:02.320 Head of the Dragon. 137 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.320 Yeah, it looks like even like a snake tone. Oh 138 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.200 that's you know, you even make that sign for like 139 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:12.919 the rising beast right and the LVX. Would I think. 140 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:14.759 There's a lot of geomancy in magic. 141 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:16.720 Oh yeah, I just don't understand this shit. 142 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:21.840 Oh it's it's real simple. Basically, you're just poking holes 143 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:27.279 or whatever, and then you're counting the whether it's going 144 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.159 to be a positive number. Well, not a positive number, 145 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.399 even number or an odd number, and so you're flipping 146 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.600 coins whatever, you're creating a scenario where you can determine 147 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.720 what the number is going to be either you know, 148 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:43.840 even or odd. Odd is two dots, even as one dot. 149 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.639 So you fill out one, two, three, four, five flips 150 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:49.960 of the coin or whatever, and then you have your 151 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.440 geomantic figure, and so that's related to you know, reading 152 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.600 your fortune, or you can put these up and use them. 153 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:58.480 As sort of sigils. 154 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.600 So there's a lot of different kind of potential when 155 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.480 it comes to but it's basically like the Ruins, you know. 156 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:08.960 I was actually kind of almost like thinking something like 157 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:12.000 that with the way you're explaining where you can make 158 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:12.799 a run out of it. 159 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.919 And what they do is they have big old squares 160 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.960 that have basically like this story all all laid out, 161 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:24.000 and so basically as you're flipping through, each one of 162 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.440 these different levels have a different energy and then that 163 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:29.799 gives you your full reading. So you could fill out 164 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:35.399 a whole piece of paper on this. It's actually pretty complex, but. 165 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:40.240 Yeah, jee Mancy is something to look into, and it's 166 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:45.919 so simple. It's a lot like eaching. If you haven't 167 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:46.240 read that. 168 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.759 Oh yeah, yeah, no, I it's well, I mean it 169 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.120 almost even well not so much looks like it, but 170 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:52.720 that was something I kind of thought of when I 171 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:54.960 saw that with the change, how you use like dots 172 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:56.159 and placements and all that stuff. 173 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.639 Right, it's not the same figures. And in both systems 174 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:04.279 they believe that the spirit comes through these geometric figures, 175 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:05.320 you know. 176 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.039 I think that's also common in reading the rooms too, 177 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:09.879 is like there's. 178 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:12.320 A spirit to each one of these these figures that 179 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:16.360 they've drawn, you know, ZI too. 180 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:23.720 Very cool. Yeah, no, thank you for adding that on too. 181 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.120 So I got right here. 182 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:35.080 Hex signs Pennsylvania Dutch hex signs, so uh, these consist 183 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.080 of all sorts of different you know, motifs that are 184 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:42.559 are based around this radiant kind of energy. 185 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:43.039 You know. 186 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:44.960 So originally they were. 187 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:50.440 Called like uh, flower and flower and star pattern in German, 188 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.279 but then they decided that a hex's foot or a 189 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.120 witch's foot is what they were gonna go with instead. 190 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:01.519 So that's what it's been called since the early nineteen hundreds. 191 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:06.879 And this is associated with the Pennsylvania Dutch, not the Amish. 192 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.720 They want everybody to know this is not Amish. We 193 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:14.399 don't believe in this kind of fancy decorativeness. So when 194 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.919 you see these up on barns, that's a pretty good 195 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.039 indicator that it's not the Amish, because they don't even 196 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:27.039 wear buttons, right, because buttons are too flashy for the Amish. 197 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.440 Flashy for the homage. So what are those other ones? 198 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.519 I forgot there's a different name of Mennonite. So the 199 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:33.919 mena Nights Menaite school. 200 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.600 With this very very humble as well, I think. 201 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.759 But they have buttons, they have zippers. 202 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:44.879 Right, they do have zippers, and they have cars as well. 203 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:46.879 So Mennonites are the ones that are going to be 204 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.799 dressing a lot like the Amish, but still driving in cars. 205 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.159 But you know, the Amish. 206 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.159 Mafia kind of works that way. 207 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.000 You think they're not working together, but they're always working together. 208 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.480 Yo, there was, Oh god, I was. I think I 209 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:01.639 was in my twenties. I just got out of high school. 210 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:03.120 And I remember one time I saw some shit on 211 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.679 TV where the Amage got busted trafficking cocaine for the 212 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.720 Hills Angels or some shit, because like, you never would 213 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:11.639 have guessed that we had cocaine on it's really Amish. 214 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.480 They got popped. I was like, Yo, they're running drugs 215 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:24.039 from whatcycle game? You know, there's a horsed buggy in 216 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:24.360 the back. 217 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.639 We had a guy in Grabile. I've actually lived around 218 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:31.120 the Amish a lot. I used to live in Grabel, Indiana. 219 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.799 It was not a one horse town. So you better 220 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:34.600 watch your step. 221 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:40.840 They're lots of them, and so, yo, you gotta watch 222 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:41.480 out for that shit. 223 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.600 Literally, we had one guy who put neons on the 224 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.759 bottom of his buggy and he would go around getting 225 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:53.440 drunk because apparently you can drink and drive a horse. 226 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:56.480 Nobody cares. So he's in there getting loaded, trying to 227 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.639 pick up the English, you know. So he's yelling at 228 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.759 the women with his uh ne odds at the bottom 229 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.360 of his uh his buggy. 230 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:05.159 And he thought he was hot. 231 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:11.679 Shit. Well, if guy who's gonna put hydraulics in that git. 232 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.360 Next wouldn't be. 233 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:20.600 I'm done sorry. 234 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:25.440 Rural Indiana was a wild place, dude, wild. 235 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.320 They had all sorts of crazy stuff going on. 236 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:33.519 But uh yeah, So you can find these on these barns, 237 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.600 and it's it's been associated with magic, and there is 238 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:42.480 definitely a lot of superstition associated with these hex signs, 239 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.799 like which one is fortuitous and which one is not. 240 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.240 We have a lot of these type of decorations out 241 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:49.559 here in Wisconsin as well. 242 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:50.399 Uh. 243 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.720 They they put them all over the barns, mostly you know, 244 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.960 on the front of the barn. But the whole idea 245 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:00.159 there is that this this sigil is supposed to be 246 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.080 raising the energy of the farm. And I think it 247 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:07.519 probably goes way back before this, but it really started 248 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:10.679 picking up in the United States through the Pennsylvania Dutch 249 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.320 in the eighteen fifties. But you know, that was sort 250 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:17.200 of like the height of the folk magic movement, and 251 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:20.279 then from there it kind of moved way back into 252 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:24.559 you know, the tent revival scene in America. 253 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:26.279 That was a. 254 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:30.480 Pretty big step back, you know, in terms of culturally. 255 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.639 Everything got banned and bright colors were banned. You know, 256 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:37.120 they tried to be like the Amish. 257 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.759 I guess it's interesting. I wonder if like those doors 258 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.480 in a certain amount, like on two. It's interesting, like 259 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:48.879 if there's like even if those things you see, like 260 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:50.799 the doorways in the arches and wonderful that has something 261 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.960 to do with like everything, because it's eight on the top. 262 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:54.320 I mean, it could just be eight. 263 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:58.080 You know, it does the they were into They were 264 00:15:58.080 --> 00:15:59.480 into folk magic big time. 265 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.480 So the numbers of things. 266 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.600 How many, you know, all all of those things had 267 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.639 a superstitious quality. 268 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.240 This is a pretty well looking actually interesting. 269 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:13.360 They were always looking out for thirteens and all the 270 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:15.679 rest of this stuff. Which is really interesting to me is, 271 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.720 you know, the whole trisc and decaphobia thing is so 272 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.600 common in everyday people. But yet if you look at Washington, 273 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.039 d C. They have absolutely no trisc and decaphobia at all. 274 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:28.600 They are not scared at thirteen. They love that number. 275 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:36.080 Everything is thirteen, thirteen stripes, thirteen bars, thirteen arrows. You know, 276 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:41.639 it's all their symbolism. But you know, the whole phobia 277 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:47.600 around numbers, that's definitely you know, mid nineteenth century fear, 278 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:53.360 you know. But that's mine. 279 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:55.960 Let me pull up the old mail bag here. 280 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.200 Yeah, you know, it's so funny. I think I just 281 00:16:58.240 --> 00:16:59.960 noticed because I saw like a thing pop up on 282 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.519 uh Twitter for some reason. I'm thinking I shared the show, 283 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:05.039 so I thought maybe it was like a retweet or 284 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.559 like or whatever, And it was that lady Heather that 285 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.920 we just had on the show, taking so many screens 286 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:12.799 out of how far away the funeral home is from 287 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:16.079 the lodges by our house. She's like, Yo, you got 288 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.279 me on a deep type. Now. I was like, I'm 289 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:20.799 telling you there's something weird with that shit. 290 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.000 Yeah dude, I mean come on. 291 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.079 Yo, it's too weird. It's like they're literally needed next 292 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.279 door or two blocks away. You could walk to it. 293 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.799 This is something if you don't know what you're looking for. Yo. 294 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:36.839 There was ones where they had the same name as 295 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:37.640 the lodge name. 296 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:46.960 Well, here's here's the plausible deniability. During the early nineteen hundreds, 297 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:52.119 all of these lodges got started around death benefits, right, 298 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.799 so you would get your life insurance through the law. 299 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:04.880 Yeah, this all makes sense now, started, that's all part. 300 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:06.480 Of that started with life assurance. 301 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:11.480 But then, oh, we gotta come with death, you know. 302 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:13.160 Now it goes into human trafficking. 303 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:15.880 Yeah, we're gonna rape you to stay healthy, and when 304 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.720 you die, we're gonna judge you too much. Oh you 305 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.039 want you want to get cremated? Five grand? Thanks? It's 306 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:23.640 like I'll just throw the guy and that stole myself. 307 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:26.160 Just give me and give me a coffee can for 308 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:26.759 a thousands. 309 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:29.559 I can't, for the life of me ever find any 310 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:30.680 new cemeteries. 311 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:32.799 Where are these bodies go? 312 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:37.920 No, you're right. If you're probably look like you know 313 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.680 cemeteries that have been built like recently, there's probably. 314 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.640 Very few, very few. We got people dying all the time. 315 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:46.640 What's happening here? 316 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:48.319 Are they all getting cremated? 317 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:49.160 I don't think they are. 318 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.480 Something is going making up with the lack of cows. 319 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.319 I mean, we do eat a lot of burgers people. 320 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:00.640 I could have swore. I saw somebody recent only actually 321 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:03.119 look into all that and said the numbers actually don't 322 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.720 match to produce as much as beings taken in supposedly. 323 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:09.079 I was like, oh, that's you know. But then they're 324 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:11.039 starting to say we do get some from China. I 325 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:13.599 don't know, you start trying to use other countries as suppliers, 326 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:15.519 and it's just are you saying that just because you 327 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.200 don't want to believe what you might be eating? 328 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.039 Right, I don't know. I don't like that. 329 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:23.000 Yeah, fucking weird. 330 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:25.000 And have me notice too. 331 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:28.759 That nobody is getting the big ostentatious headstones anymore. 332 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.680 No, No, it's all just like little plaques in the ground. 333 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.799 Yeah that's it's like, yo, come on, so boring. 334 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:43.119 Right, But nobody can afford those big monuments anymore because 335 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.599 inflation has made us all super poored. We don't even 336 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:46.519 realize it yet. 337 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:52.839 You know, it's expensive to die die, or it is 338 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:54.119 for the family that you left. 339 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.720 And it's ridiculous stuff to like they'll charge you five 340 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:00.799 hundred and fifty dollars for a car hard or box. 341 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.279 It's like what I've known so many people that you know, 342 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.440 unfortunately people die in their family or whatever, and they 343 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:09.440 didn't have much, and it's like, yo, I just got 344 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.359 stuck with like a ten grand bill to bury somebody, 345 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.160 right like, and it's just like, how the fun does 346 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:17.200 it cost that much to like put somebody in the ground. 347 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:20.440 That's why those lodges got started, is because it was 348 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:22.920 always expensive to bury people, and people were poor, so 349 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:28.400 they decided to get together and split the bells. That's uh, 350 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:32.680 you know, it's one of those things. 351 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:34.240 Again. Moosehart. 352 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:39.759 Moosehart was for the orphans of the the members who died. 353 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:43.039 Mooseheart, Illinois is owned by the Moose Ladne. 354 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:48.480 Right the entire town. These are dual purpose you know, 355 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:49.799 all right. 356 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.880 So I got one hereah, So it says the mall 357 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:57.440 theme seems to be subjective. Sometimes it's a mall, or 358 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.839 what looks like an abandoned office space. Sometimes it's a 359 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:05.400 golden castle that goes on forever. Most recently it was 360 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:09.279 a multi story arcade looking place. In these dreams, I'm 361 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:13.039 always aware that I'm dreaming and that I'm lost. I'll 362 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:15.960 keep walking through doors, even though each time I open 363 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:18.759 a door it's a different room. Even if I turn 364 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:20.839 around and go back to the door I just came 365 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:24.880 out of, the room will look different than it did previously. 366 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:29.200 Eventually you have to pass something that looks familiar and 367 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.839 have a brief moment of relief, just to turn the 368 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:34.160 corner and not recognize anything again. 369 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:35.200 Again. 370 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:38.759 I'm aware that I'm dreaming, and I'm just looking for 371 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.000 the exit. When I finally find my way out, that's 372 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:44.839 the point at which I wake up. Every time. I 373 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:48.759 don't know what it means. The theme change, but it's 374 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.839 the same story every time. Sometimes there's a woman. She 375 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:56.440 doesn't speak, she just seems to be observing. Would love 376 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.079 it if you did a sessh covering this topic. 377 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:04.319 Sarah M. Smith, what do you think of that? 378 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:09.079 It's pretty buked out? I mean, I've had not more situations, 379 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.799 but there's been times where I've been in places having 380 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:13.839 weird dreams and like you're getting out of a situation, 381 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:15.640 as soon as you go to leave, it ends like 382 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:20.920 a fuck that is uh, I don't know. 383 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:23.000 This dream kind of reminds me of one of my 384 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.160 favorite books, The House of Leaves by Daniel Lee. 385 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:28.720 Yeah. 386 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:33.920 Well, in that book, it's a book about a documentary 387 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.880 that never existed, also being scribbled in by a guy 388 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:42.960 who was who was blind, I guess, and also being 389 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:46.039 you know, read to you by a person who's keeping 390 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:49.119 a journal about the strange effects of him reading through 391 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:54.000 this documentary about something that didn't exist. Well, in the documentary, 392 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.559 you've got this guy who's exploring his own house and 393 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:01.519 he's determined that the house is actually bigger. 394 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:03.240 On the inside than it is on the outside. 395 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.599 He can't figure out why that is, and he starts 396 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.880 measuring everything to make sure that the walls aren't moving, 397 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:13.960 and he finds a portal inside of his house, and 398 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.440 inside this portal is an almost never ending hallway, and 399 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:24.119 he starts exploring this portal with his camera. But obviously 400 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:27.119 it was a movie that never existed. And as he's 401 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.920