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Speaker 4: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
Speaker 4: their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 3: all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Speaker 3: Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Sarah from London in the UK,
Speaker 3: sharing a lifetime of experiences that bridge UFO sightings, spirit encounters,
Speaker 3: and psychic communication. One such siting occurred in the nineteen
Speaker 3: nineties during a Nutting Hill carnival, an event that was
Speaker 3: confirmed by a nearby police officer. But her story goes deeper.
Speaker 3: From childhood WIGI board sessions to poltergeists activity and work
Speaker 3: in as a medium, Sarah's life has been shaped by
Speaker 3: the unseen. Sarah is up next, but first, if you
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Speaker 3: Any help is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Sarah,
Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 3: It is great to have you with us tonight and
Speaker 3: you're calling from London in the UK.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: I am, now Sarah, you have some experiences to share
Speaker 3: with us. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, ma'am?
Speaker 1: I will, yes, Well, I think I should start with
Speaker 1: notting Hill Carnival. Notting Hill. It must have been in
Speaker 1: the nineties, mid nineties. Now I've tried to pinpoint it,
Speaker 1: but I can't so, but I'm sure it was the
Speaker 1: mid nineties. And we'd come just entered the carnival, and
Speaker 1: we were walking through the streets and there were crowds,
Speaker 1: obviously in some areas, and then it would just sort
Speaker 1: of get a bit thinner on the ground as we
Speaker 1: walk through. And it's a great atmosphere and party carnival style,
Speaker 1: and some think made me look up, and I looked up.
Speaker 1: I was with a friend and I think, what's that?
Speaker 1: What's that? And it was it was quite high up
Speaker 1: in the sky, and it was sort of in front,
Speaker 1: but sort of a distance away so that I could
Speaker 1: see what looked like a side of it. And the
Speaker 1: side was a triangle, so I got the impression that
Speaker 1: it was one side of a pyramid. But it was
Speaker 1: a silver, sort of pewter color, and it was a
Speaker 1: summer stain, and it was bright, so it was sort
Speaker 1: of reflecting the light. But it just stayed there. It
Speaker 1: didn't move. It was nothing like anything else you would
Speaker 1: see in the sky. You know, anyone with a brain
Speaker 1: usually would go, well, could that be?
Speaker 2: This?
Speaker 1: Could that be?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 1: Could No, it couldn't have been anything that you would
Speaker 1: normally see in the sky. So it was unexplained, aimed,
Speaker 1: and certainly unidentified. So I showed my friends, like, what
Speaker 1: is that? So he was staring at it and we
Speaker 1: were looking going, oh, do you know just obviously have
Speaker 1: no idea? Well, I say, had no idea, but it
Speaker 1: comes to mind, you know, this is a UFO. Now
Speaker 1: I think I hadn't really dismissed UFOs or I hadn't
Speaker 1: really got a firm position at that time because I
Speaker 1: was in my early twenties, so I was open. I
Speaker 1: was always open to everything, and I you know, now
Speaker 1: you go through life and you think what Earth would
Speaker 1: make anyone think that we were the only the vast
Speaker 1: universe or infinite They don't know, do they? And if
Speaker 1: it is infinite, then why on Earth would we be
Speaker 1: the only planet with them with life? But it struck
Speaker 1: me as well, that's a UFO if you're following the definition.
Speaker 1: So he said to me, oh, tell it, because of
Speaker 1: course it's the carnival. There's lots of officers and lots
Speaker 1: of crowds. No one else appeared to be looking up
Speaker 1: and judging the distance of it. It must have been
Speaker 1: fairly big, but because it was a distance away, it
Speaker 1: was obviously small in the sky. So he said, go
Speaker 1: and tell that policeman. I said, I'm not telling the
Speaker 1: policeman because I think that's another thing, isn't it. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many people who will judge what you believe
Speaker 1: and what you don't believe, So I'm not telling the policeman.
Speaker 1: So he's all right, I'll tell the policeman, which surprised
Speaker 1: me because he was quite a shy person. He would
Speaker 1: always put me forward to go and tell this, Go
Speaker 1: and say this, go and say that. So he went
Speaker 1: over and pointed to it and showed the policeman, and
Speaker 1: the policeman looked up, and he was looking and then
Speaker 1: sort of looking confused and then looking back up. And
Speaker 1: then as we were walking away, we were watching him,
Speaker 1: and he went over to one of his colleagues and
Speaker 1: pointed up and the colleague looked up and almost dismissed
Speaker 1: it and you know, carried on with his policing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was It was interesting, but it was a nice
Speaker 1: feeling to feel that, yes, I've seen a UFO. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you I always felt if you got
Speaker 1: into any kind of debate with anybody about whether there
Speaker 1: were UFOs, well, you know, UFOs are unidentified flying or
Speaker 1: in the wider sense objects, So that was certainly unidentified,
Speaker 1: and two policemen didn't identify it. So not that I
Speaker 1: would ever have thought to report it, although I guess
Speaker 1: there could be benefits. There could have been somebody else
Speaker 1: that had seen it and reported it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So that was, as I say, in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: and that was. Yeah. I was quite pleased with that,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a big part of my life or
Speaker 1: things that I thought about. Wasn't particularly a big UFO person.
Speaker 1: But later in my life, not so long ago, maybe
Speaker 1: four or five years ago, just after COVID in the lockdown,
Speaker 1: I went to see my sister and she said to
Speaker 1: me that she had she'd seen a documentary about the
Speaker 1: tic TACs and she was telling me about that, and
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, years gone by, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're definitely We're definitely not alone. And I think they're
Speaker 1: probably all coming and there's all these people that report it.
Speaker 1: So my views very much had changed or developed, should
Speaker 1: I say. I started listening to your podcast and absolutely
Speaker 1: loved it and listening to all the people's testimonies, and
Speaker 1: it makes me think about people's testimonies and how we
Speaker 1: don't you know, there's been a culture of encouraging people
Speaker 1: not to believe other people, which I think is quite wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, make fun of them, and I mean that
Speaker 1: obviously there is some more negative experiences that people talk about,
Speaker 1: but the positive ones just filled me with hope, especially
Speaker 1: with the country and the world in the statement, and
Speaker 1: I sort of thought, oh, you know, maybe they'll save us,
Speaker 1: maybe they'll help us. It really ignited sort of a
Speaker 1: wish in me, like how lovely would that be? How
Speaker 1: magical would that be? To see another And I started
Speaker 1: watching the skies more and the planets were aligning. I
Speaker 1: quite remember it's the beginning of the year, planets are
Speaker 1: starting to align, and we watched the run up to that,
Speaker 1: and so I was looking up to the skies more.
Speaker 1: I've got young children, so I've tried to I do
Speaker 1: go to bed fairly early, so yeah, but then i'd
Speaker 1: be lying in bed and I've got a skylight and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the sky like thinking, come say alone
Speaker 1: to me. Anyway, and then one night before bed, I
Speaker 1: actually said, please please come and show yourself to me,
Speaker 1: because that'd just be lovely. I just absolutely love that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: a few days went past, and as I was waking,
Speaker 1: I had this very strong picture vision. And I've had
Speaker 1: them before, sort of more on the supernatural side, so
Speaker 1: I knew what it was and the quality of it.
Speaker 1: And I had this vision of a looked like a drone.
Speaker 1: It looked like a drone. The propellers were going round.
Speaker 1: It was like a dark color like I was up
Speaker 1: close to this picture of a drone with the propeller
Speaker 1: bits going round really fast, and it sounded like a flickering,
Speaker 1: and it was just as I was waking, and I
Speaker 1: just knew instinctively that that was what they were doing.
Speaker 1: They were going, well, yeah, we can't actually fly past
Speaker 1: the window. We're not the red arrows, but here's communication. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was absolutely delighted with that, and yeah, felt
Speaker 1: very much that that was a telepathic communication, which I
Speaker 1: have had before. As I say so, I did recognize
Speaker 1: it communication and a vision. Yeah, I was absolutely delighted,
Speaker 1: and yes, thank you, thank you very much. Although I'm
Speaker 1: still watching this guy and hoping to see something a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I suppose physical that sort of sums
Speaker 1: up my UFO encounters, but I've had, I suppose quite
Speaker 1: a few paranormal experiences. I grew up from the age
Speaker 1: of one. I went to live with my grandmother and
Speaker 1: she brought me up with Christian faith, but she was
Speaker 1: a very spiritual person. It was a quite a big
Speaker 1: part of my life. And she talked about experiencing different things,
Speaker 1: and she said that one morning she sat up in
Speaker 1: bed and there was an orange cat, a ginger cat
Speaker 1: on her bed, and she thought it was because we
Speaker 1: had a cat, an orange cat, so she thought it
Speaker 1: was Honey the cat. And then she realized, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not Honey the cat. And she went to stroke
Speaker 1: it in her hair and sunk through and then it
Speaker 1: slowly faded from the bottom up to the head and
Speaker 1: then disappeared, and so she realized, oh, it's a ghost cat.
Speaker 1: So I think that was the first story she gave
Speaker 1: me which I probably age appropriate, which I loved. But
Speaker 1: she also told me she went to bed one night
Speaker 1: and had woke up with her grandmother at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the bed, and her mother had been ill, and
Speaker 1: her grandmother said to her, I'm going to take mum now,
Speaker 1: she's coming with me. So she very much, you know,
Speaker 1: realized that it had been a visitation to say she
Speaker 1: mum's going Mum's going to die, which, of course she
Speaker 1: did end up dying. I think it was either the
Speaker 1: following day or you know, very soon. It was clear
Speaker 1: that that was the message she'd got and that's what
Speaker 1: was happening. So that was another of her stories. I
Speaker 1: suppose what led me on to sort of listening to
Speaker 1: different podcasts about the paranormal, about UFOs. Well, she told
Speaker 1: me about a near death experience she'd had and she'd
Speaker 1: said that, well, I died and went to heavens what
Speaker 1: happened there? So she said that she was having an
Speaker 1: operation and she had died on the operating table. What
Speaker 1: happened was what she said. She was traveling through a
Speaker 1: tunnel and at the bottom, at the end of the tunnel,
Speaker 1: there was a bright light and she moved through the
Speaker 1: tunnel and at the end of the tunnel there was
Speaker 1: a beautiful garden and she was just about to step
Speaker 1: into it and she was pulled back. And so when
Speaker 1: she came to the surgeon said to her, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we nearly lost you. You were nearly gone. So she
Speaker 1: sort of she was sure that she had visited her heaven.
Speaker 1: So that I found fascinating. And then as I started
Speaker 1: to hear in recent times stories about that was something
Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed listening to other people's accounts, and
Speaker 1: it helped with my further spiritual awakening. But that was
Speaker 1: kind of my grounding and her history. But I was
Speaker 1: always looking for paranorn or experiences myself. I was thinking, well,
Speaker 1: when am I going to see one? And I thought, right, well,
Speaker 1: I just have to wait. Of course, as a child,
Speaker 1: you don't wait, you seek it out. So one early evening,
Speaker 1: I must have been about thirteen, and myself and a
Speaker 1: couple of friends decided to do a weedi board. I
Speaker 1: never had been told anything negative about weeda boards, and
Speaker 1: I just understood them to be a tool for contacting
Speaker 1: people who had passed, and so we did it in
Speaker 1: my friend's bedroom and we got a very weak movement
Speaker 1: of the glass, but the questions I don't quite remember
Speaker 1: exactly what was said, but I know that I felt
Speaker 1: that I had managed to contact my grandfather, who died
Speaker 1: when I was ten, And so I went home and
Speaker 1: I said to my grandmother, I spoke to Granddad tonight,
Speaker 1: and she said, oh, we'll read you bored. So I said, yeah.
Speaker 1: I was surprised that she sort of guessed, because you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't automatically flow, and so she said all right, okay,
Speaker 1: And that was that. But we did start to do
Speaker 1: it more and more often, and my other friend had
Speaker 1: contacted her aunt, Minnie, and you know, we started to
Speaker 1: find quite a lot of comfort in it. It was
Speaker 1: exciting and it was something not many other people were doing.
Speaker 1: So we did it a few times. Now. We spoke
Speaker 1: to a friend who was a little older than us
Speaker 1: and she had a boyfriend and she said, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend does that and he speaks to a guy
Speaker 1: called Warren and he's really horrible, and so it was like, oh, right, okay.
Speaker 1: And then very soon after we started to do this,
Speaker 1: we still go down to a youth club which was
Speaker 1: an old Victorian school that I think they've not sadly
Speaker 1: knocked down now and built on it. But we used
Speaker 1: to go down there to the youth club and so
Speaker 1: we would get a plastic cup and do it with
Speaker 1: you know, very crude, sort of basic Oigi boards, and
Speaker 1: then we got to the point where like who is
Speaker 1: this and it started to spell out wa r. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: my goodness, and of course it was Warren. So we
Speaker 1: didn't have any real negative experiences with Warren. But he
Speaker 1: did say he did say he didn't like me, So
Speaker 1: I said, would you like me to go? And he
Speaker 1: said no, because your voice is loud. So we stayed anyway,
Speaker 1: So we all one time sort of attracted attention from
Speaker 1: the other kids and we went ended up going into
Speaker 1: the toilet with a coffee mug. Now these were big toilets,
Speaker 1: changing rooms, hooks, showers, you know, old school showers and toilets.
Speaker 1: So we were all in there in a big crowd,
Speaker 1: and as you can imagine, young children, young thirteen year
Speaker 1: olds and above, are all sort of you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing it, I'm not doing it. So some were watching,
Speaker 1: some are doing it. But there are a few of us,
Speaker 1: including the friend that had told us about Warren, and
Speaker 1: we were asking different questions and it was strong. It
Speaker 1: was a very strong movement of the cup, and it
Speaker 1: was quick, and it got stronger and quicker moving around
Speaker 1: answering the questions. I mean, kids do silly things. One
Speaker 1: of them said, when am I going to die? And
Speaker 1: it started to swing backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards,
Speaker 1: backwards and forwards, and it became unnerving, and there were
Speaker 1: obviously children screaming and oh. And then I was like, look,
Speaker 1: we've got a break. This this isn't good, So take
Speaker 1: fingers off, taking things off. Take everyone, take your fingers off.
Speaker 1: And as we took our fingers off and it was
Speaker 1: moving to the right, we took her fingers off, and
Speaker 1: from that moment it swung back on its own across
Speaker 1: the floor in the opposite direction and rolled across the floor.
Speaker 1: So everybody screamed and ran out of the toilets, and
Speaker 1: that was the end of the incident. But that was,
Speaker 1: you know, the nearest I really was. I suppose nearest,
Speaker 1: it's quite near. But getting to sort of my own
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences and till I suppose when I was twenty four,
Speaker 1: my grandmother died and she was everything to me, and
Speaker 1: I was utterly devastated, and I was told. When I
Speaker 1: was out of the house, my mother and my uncle
Speaker 1: picked me up and they told me in the car,
Speaker 1: and I screamed, a terrible day for anybody who's been
Speaker 1: through it. And we went back to her house and
Speaker 1: I ran straight up stairs to the room that she
Speaker 1: was found in, spent a few moments there, and I
Speaker 1: heard her voice as clear as anything, with the tone
Speaker 1: and everything. Call up Sarah. I made my name is Sarah,
Speaker 1: but I made everyone call me Sarah when I went
Speaker 1: to school because there was other Sarah's there, so I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be different, and then I changed it
Speaker 1: back a later date to be more different. Ironically, it's
Speaker 1: funny what you go through as a child on your identity.
Speaker 1: So I heard her voice, and at the time I
Speaker 1: think I just put it down to being in shark
Speaker 1: and grief in disbelief, but now looking back, it's clearly
Speaker 1: she was calling me so a little bit a few
Speaker 1: minutes later, I had a very very strong smell of
Speaker 1: roast beef. Now you know that was a very very
Speaker 1: prominent part of childhood in the UK. Sunday Sunday lunch
Speaker 1: or Sunday dinner, whichever time you had it, roast beef,
Speaker 1: and that was what I remember, that she would cook
Speaker 1: the most on the Sunday. And it doesn't even smell
Speaker 1: the same these days. Back then, it had this sort
Speaker 1: of very, very sort of intense smell. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: just how I smelled it as a child, because obviously
Speaker 1: it tastes change and develop, but it was this strong
Speaker 1: smell of roast beef. And again I just sort of, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, my brain is really playing up, but you know,
Speaker 1: they're very clear in my mind, and I can still
Speaker 1: smell that smell now. So that was kind of the
Speaker 1: start of what became the ability to communicate mediumship or
Speaker 1: psychic both psychic medium, clever audio and sentiment, clairvoyant and
Speaker 1: all of it. And it started to develop from there,
Speaker 1: and then I was seeking out clairvoyance so that I
Speaker 1: could at least get messages from her. And you know,
Speaker 1: I missed her terribly, but I had this sense that
Speaker 1: she was with me, and very strangely, just not long
Speaker 1: after she died, I didn't really think about it, but
Speaker 1: then I felt her leave me, and it was such
Speaker 1: a strange sort of feeling that I hadn't noticed her
Speaker 1: being with me, but I certainly felt her leave me.
Speaker 1: It's like she was saying, right, you're all right, You're okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go now, and I felt her leave,
Speaker 1: but the entire time, and now I feel her presence,
Speaker 1: and I felt her. She was devastated when she lost
Speaker 1: my granddad. I was ten, and that was fourteen years
Speaker 1: before she died, and she never recovered from it. So
Speaker 1: I found solace in the fact that they were now together.
Speaker 1: But I had this also, very very strong feeling that
Speaker 1: they were together and they were both looking out for
Speaker 1: me and looking after me. So it was although she
Speaker 1: was no longer physically present, I felt a very very
Speaker 1: strong spiritual presence from her. That's how unfolded different. Before
Speaker 1: I realized I was clvy. After the bathroom, I went
Speaker 1: to a wedding, a friend's wedding, and I stood at
Speaker 1: the back of the church, and they were saying about
Speaker 1: you knowing God's House and all the religious words and
Speaker 1: sentiment of a wedding service, and in my head I
Speaker 1: said to myself, well, this is all rubbish anyway, And
Speaker 1: her voice came through as clear as anything in my mind,
Speaker 1: not externally, but in my mind no, it's not. I thought,
Speaker 1: my goodness, that was my that was her. So that
Speaker 1: was the first time I heard somebody who'd passed properly
Speaker 1: heard it within my own consciousness. From then that is
Speaker 1: when I developed clevoyance, and I started giving people messages
Speaker 1: and just being super aware of how I knew things
Speaker 1: and how I could see things and how I could
Speaker 1: read people. And part of that was well, very very
Speaker 1: comforting to anyone who's lost anybody, but it was very
Speaker 1: comforting to me because I felt that well, it made
Speaker 1: me feel that I was no longer scared to die.
Speaker 1: I had no fear of death. So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a lovely thing to have. And also giving messages. Passing
Speaker 1: messages on was also lovely because you've got to feel
Speaker 1: that absolute bliss they pass on. Sometimes they can pass
Speaker 1: on this feeling of absolute love and bliss, so that's
Speaker 1: also lovely to feel. From that message at the wedding,
Speaker 1: I went on to have quite a few different things.
Speaker 1: I had a visitation from her in my dream. I
Speaker 1: dreams a dream and you kind of forget them, but
Speaker 1: this wasn't. This was clear, clear, like I'd met her
Speaker 1: and I was recalling a memory she gave me comforting words. Look,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not here physically, but at home, she
Speaker 1: came through the door. I dreamt she walked through the door,
Speaker 1: and I said, where have you been? Where the hell
Speaker 1: have you been? And she said, look, you know, I
Speaker 1: know I'm not physically here, but you'll be okay. You'll
Speaker 1: be okay. Think about the things that are going to
Speaker 1: get you through. And I was like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: And so I took that as again she was still
Speaker 1: very much there. And later I had a cat who
Speaker 1: I took from hers and took them to my home.
Speaker 1: We had two cats, but they were seventeen I think
Speaker 1: at the time they was seventeen. I had to have
Speaker 1: my cat put down. And yeah, that was another extremely
Speaker 1: upsetting time. And she came to me in a dream
Speaker 1: again and said, look, whenever you feel, whenever you're ready,
Speaker 1: call him and he'll come to you. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh okay. And so that again was a very clear
Speaker 1: feeling of visitation. And some time must have passed, and
Speaker 1: then one day one night he came to me. So
Speaker 1: I stood and I looked down and it.
Speaker 2: Was tiger, and I said, Tiger, Tiger, And so I
Speaker 2: picked him up and he was going crackers and rubbing
Speaker 2: himself all round me on my face, and then I
Speaker 2: felt something like a butt of fly or a bird
Speaker 2: wing under my face or very close to my face, fluttering, fluttering,
Speaker 2: and which woke me up.
Speaker 1: And as I woke up, I sort of realized right
Speaker 1: that there was Tigger coming to me in my dream.
Speaker 1: So that again lovely comforting. This one more thing from
Speaker 1: my youth. I think that I've never really been able
Speaker 1: to put my finger on because it just seems, well,
Speaker 1: it's just a bit unexplained because I don't have a
Speaker 1: specific time that I remember the vision, but I was
Speaker 1: on a bus going past South End Airport and there
Speaker 1: was there was a plane that was parked up, some
Speaker 1: big plane had its engines taken out, and so it
Speaker 1: was there for ages. No idea what anyone had actually
Speaker 1: planned to do with it, but it'd been there for
Speaker 1: some time, and then this day I drove past and
Speaker 1: someone had started to take it apart. So it was
Speaker 1: like you see planes that have crashed, you know, you
Speaker 1: get that sort of section of it that's split open
Speaker 1: and you can see the structure of the plane. The
Speaker 1: bizarre thing was I knew I had already seen it.
Speaker 1: I have seen this. I have already seen this plane
Speaker 1: that's always parked there completely whole, but it wasn't whole.
Speaker 1: It was obviously it's been you know, someone has started
Speaker 1: to sort of demolish it. And I still can't quite
Speaker 1: work out what that was, because I can't pinpoint a
Speaker 1: time when I've seen it, but I just knew I've
Speaker 1: seen that before. I have seen that already start to
Speaker 1: be demolished. So yeah, that's a strange one because I
Speaker 1: just don't really know what that was. I was around twelve,
Speaker 1: it must have been around that time, and my uncle
Speaker 1: was living in a converted church in Saint Luke's in London,
Speaker 1: and we went up for Christmas. I think there was
Speaker 1: a lot of joking about it at the time because
Speaker 1: it was back in the eighties, so it's fairly fairly
Speaker 1: new thing to convert the churches into dwellings. There was
Speaker 1: lots of talk about seeing brides floating up the aisle,
Speaker 1: and of course a large church converted into blocks of flats.
Speaker 1: When you actually get in there, you've got the architecture
Speaker 1: on the outside, but it's a bit more limited on
Speaker 1: the inside. So the actual inside of his property didn't
Speaker 1: really resemble a church at all, so you just forgot
Speaker 1: that you were in a church. They are one of
Speaker 1: my fate. I would love to live in one of
Speaker 1: those though. They are my favorite types of houses. When
Speaker 1: you look and they've converted them with the mezzanine, they
Speaker 1: look stunning. I think we've got quite a few churches
Speaker 1: in England that is normally the Victorian builds that tend
Speaker 1: to sort of go by the wayside and end up
Speaker 1: getting sold off, and also old castle ruins. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're all stunning, but when we were in there, as
Speaker 1: I said, you tended to forget that you were in
Speaker 1: a church. Once we've been there a couple of days,
Speaker 1: I remember walking to the bedroom. My mother said to me, oh,
Speaker 1: could you get my bag for me, it's in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: And I went to the bedroom and I was very
Speaker 1: close to the corner of the room, but I heard
Speaker 1: very loudly heavy breathing disembodied, just heard heavy breathing coming
Speaker 1: from the corner of the room. And at the time
Speaker 1: I was young and hadn't experienced really anything else. I
Speaker 1: was a bit spooked and I dashed out of the room.
Speaker 1: And I remember at the time telling my uncle what
Speaker 1: I'd heard, and he dismissed it and said, oh, it
Speaker 1: was probably someone snoring or something, you know, in another flat,
Speaker 1: But it it really wasn't. I could hear clearly. It
Speaker 1: was like someone right close to me in the corner
Speaker 1: of the room with a very heavy breathing going on.
Speaker 1: And I completely forgot about that for many years. It's
Speaker 1: funny how I don't know trauma, maybe or not that
Speaker 1: it was particularly traumatic, but fear, you know, in a child.
Speaker 1: I just completely forgot about it for years and years,
Speaker 1: and then it came back to me. So long passed
Speaker 1: that time, so much time later. Also spoke about when
Speaker 1: my cat died. After he died before I think I
Speaker 1: saw him in my dream. I would be lying in
Speaker 1: bed sort of face down. When he was alive, he
Speaker 1: would jump up on the bed and then he would
Speaker 1: walk up my body in my shoulder, and then he
Speaker 1: would want to get into the bed just to warm
Speaker 1: up in the winter. And after he'd passed, I often
Speaker 1: fell him jumping up onto the bed and walking up
Speaker 1: very lightly, you know, not with the quite the same wight,
Speaker 1: but certainly with his feet sort of stepping walking up
Speaker 1: my body. And I knew it was him. I knew
Speaker 1: it was him.
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Speaker 1: So moving on to my late twenties, I started working
Speaker 1: at the Old Bailey. Now it's not a place where
Speaker 1: you really want to be super switched on to spirit.
Speaker 1: It's quite obviously. There's a lot of dark things that happen.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of murders and murderers that pass through
Speaker 1: the doors, pedophiles, all kinds of you know, sort of
Speaker 1: darker characters that you don't really want to be picking
Speaker 1: up on or have any kind of dealings with. And
Speaker 1: so I've switched it all all down, really, I shut
Speaker 1: it all down as much as possible. But I did
Speaker 1: regularly when I was in the court after the hearings
Speaker 1: and everybody had left and I'm still in the court,
Speaker 1: just catching up on paperwork and finishing things off, and
Speaker 1: I would catch people sitting in the gallery which were
Speaker 1: above most of the courts, the older courts. Well, there's
Speaker 1: a mix. Some have them in the courtroom, some have
Speaker 1: them up the top looking down, but these were the
Speaker 1: ones up the top looking down, and I would see
Speaker 1: out the corner of my eye someone sat in the gallery,
Speaker 1: and of course I'd look and there was no one there,
Speaker 1: so I knew that they were all still sort of
Speaker 1: trying to present themselves to me. But there was one
Speaker 1: time where I was on I was in court and
Speaker 1: I was sorting things out for the judge, and everybody
Speaker 1: was carrying on with the hearing, whatever it was about,
Speaker 1: and I smelt this strong smell of excrement, which was
Speaker 1: pretty potent, and I was sort of my goodness, like,
Speaker 1: where is that coming from? Looked at the judge and
Speaker 1: surely not, but it remained with me, and then I
Speaker 1: had a picture and a sense that this was a
Speaker 1: small boy. Now before the old bail. There's two parts
Speaker 1: of the old bailey. There's a nineteen seventy three part
Speaker 1: of the building and then there's a nineteen two part
Speaker 1: I think nineteen nine two. Nineteen oh three part of
Speaker 1: the building was in the seventies part of the building.
Speaker 1: But because the land beforehand was a court and before
Speaker 1: that it was actually there were a lot of hangings
Speaker 1: done at the court back in the day, and there
Speaker 1: was also a Newgate Prison and that is actually the
Speaker 1: site for Newgate Prison. On reflection, it to me that
Speaker 1: this was clearly one of the children that was incarcerated
Speaker 1: in Newgate Prison. Now the smell ties in because the
Speaker 1: prison was actually reformed by Elizabeth Fry because of the
Speaker 1: conditions and it was separated out and that was maybe
Speaker 1: late late eighteen hundreds, but before that the conditions were
Speaker 1: horrendous and it was full of just there were no
Speaker 1: toilets obviously, you know Victoria, London. It was just where
Speaker 1: you stood, so that it would have been completely filled
Speaker 1: with it, and the children, obviously the lower closer to
Speaker 1: the ground. And so that tied in with what I'd
Speaker 1: experienced and that I felt was right. And of course,
Speaker 1: following on from that, the judge it back then because
Speaker 1: they believed that disease came from was there born and
Speaker 1: came from smell, which they were sort of onto something,
Speaker 1: but not quite there. They carried what they called nosegays. Well,
Speaker 1: these nosegays were just small poses of flowers to sort
Speaker 1: of stick right under their neck. They carried them and
Speaker 1: stuck them right under their noses to sort so that
Speaker 1: they were smelling the flowers rather than smelling what they
Speaker 1: believed would be you know, cholera or whatever it was
Speaker 1: that was going round or And there was a big
Speaker 1: event where many of the judges I think it was
Speaker 1: cholera that were lost to cholera because of the conditions
Speaker 1: and the diseases that were at the prison, and there
Speaker 1: one or two. I think it was at least at
Speaker 1: least once, but I think it could have been twice.
Speaker 1: I was in the corridor, the judges corridor, although all
Speaker 1: being the nineteen seventy two part of the building, and
Speaker 1: I smelt a very very strong smell of flowers, and
Speaker 1: so I think I was sort of just picking up
Speaker 1: on the history from both of those smell elms that
Speaker 1: they were very real to me. So that concludes my
Speaker 1: experiences at the Old Bailey. Then I left there and
Speaker 1: went to the Royal Courts of Justice. Now that's I
Speaker 1: love that building, but I didn't encounter anything of their
Speaker 1: But then shortly after there I fell pregnant with twins
Speaker 1: and left work, left the court service. I had been
Speaker 1: told once that as a medium or well, if you're
Speaker 1: carrying children, you shouldn't contact spirit. It's dangerous. Now I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's true or not, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: taking any risks. I was forty two, and I was
Speaker 1: going to hang on to these babies because they were
Speaker 1: so wanted. I wasn't going to jeopardize it for anything.
Speaker 1: So I again continued to block out that part of
Speaker 1: my life. I one day we went to Charlton House,
Speaker 1: Charlton near Woolidge, Charlton House, the Jacobean House, the house,
Speaker 1: and it's been a few things, but I think they
Speaker 1: were having they had an open day and they had
Speaker 1: different things that you could go around and look at
Speaker 1: and I know, like they do ghost walks and things
Speaker 1: there now, and there's said to be certain apparitions and
Speaker 1: people who used to own the house. But we had
Speaker 1: gone just to have a look around at a lovely
Speaker 1: old Jacobean house. And I had the twins in the
Speaker 1: pram and I pushed them out the door and went
Speaker 1: to go into the garden and I heard loudly cacophony
Speaker 1: of young men voices shouting. It was chaos. It really
Speaker 1: took me by surprise, because it's something to say that
Speaker 1: I'd really shut out of my life up until then,
Speaker 1: and I always had the ability to sort of invite
Speaker 1: it in, ask the question invite in, open or close it,
Speaker 1: tune in or out like a radio frequency. That this
Speaker 1: was an really giving me a choice, and it came
Speaker 1: in very, very loudly. And afterwards I realized that the
Speaker 1: house had been used as a hospital, I think, in
Speaker 1: the First World War. So there again explains the noise
Speaker 1: of the injured soldiers, and that's the vibe I got.
Speaker 1: It was very chaotic and they were all shouting in there,
Speaker 1: and it was male voices, so sort of reintroduced me
Speaker 1: back into psychic and medium experiences. I suppose my partner
Speaker 1: is a believer. And I was always sort of describing
Speaker 1: myself as a skeptic believer because I just think, question everything.
Speaker 1: Make sure that it's not this, that and the other,
Speaker 1: and if a door shuts, it's not going to draft,
Speaker 1: and it's not this, rule everything else out. Don't jump
Speaker 1: to the ghost story. So that's what I to do.
Speaker 1: And as I was sort of going through all of
Speaker 1: my you know, experiences, thinking well, how do I how
Speaker 1: am I this? Am I reading minds? Is it telepathy?
Speaker 1: Am I Where am I getting this information from? Is
Speaker 1: it from people who've passed? And one time I was
Speaker 1: lying in bed and my part said, but have you
Speaker 1: got anything? Because people people love to hear it. Some
Speaker 1: people do obviously, some people do not want to hear it,
Speaker 1: and that are very very fearful or just very skeptical.
Speaker 1: But she's opened. She said, have you got anything? So
Speaker 1: I said, actually, I've got I have got something. I've
Speaker 1: got a man here and he's got like crazy white hair.
Speaker 1: Einsteiny said, you know, he's definitely here for you. And
Speaker 1: she said, oh, that sounds like my uncle boy. So
Speaker 1: I said, all right, So she said, yeah, so she's
Speaker 1: decided to test me. And she said, right, there's a song.
Speaker 1: And I don't like this. I don't like being put
Speaker 1: on the spot. It's pressure, and I don't really like
Speaker 1: having to prove anything. I know what I know and
Speaker 1: how I feel about it. I'm an honest person, and
Speaker 1: I don't really like the you know, the scrutiny of
Speaker 1: are you telling the truth? Because to me, I've always
Speaker 1: been a truthful person and honesty is always the best policy.
Speaker 1: So being tested feels a little bit bit of pressure.
Speaker 1: So she said, right, there's a song that I associate
Speaker 1: with him. What is it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, as it's you, okay, sow. He showed
Speaker 1: me some animals. I was right, he's showing me animals,
Speaker 1: Like is it like I don't know farm? Or so
Speaker 1: is it? So she went, oh, yeah, it's the funny farm.
Speaker 1: We're coming to take you away. Hah. So I'd like, right, okay,
Speaker 1: then great. It's satisfying her. So I think from then
Speaker 1: on she was always although she was always interested and
Speaker 1: she liked to listen if I had a reading for anybody,
Speaker 1: I think for her she was all that was good
Speaker 1: for her, you know, she was like, yeah, she could
Speaker 1: never have known that. Of course I didn't know it.
Speaker 1: So that was enough for her. And then but for me,
Speaker 1: as will I think before that, for me, I needed
Speaker 1: I needed to know where is it coming from. And
Speaker 1: there was one time I was on holiday with some
Speaker 1: friends and I was giving my friend a reading and
Speaker 1: I was telling her this and that and something about
Speaker 1: her family, and I said something about her grandmother. And
Speaker 1: to be honest, so I can't quite remember the details,
Speaker 1: but I was definitely touching on something about her family
Speaker 1: and her grandmother. And she said, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 1: That's not true. Because yeah, no, that's definitely not true.
Speaker 1: So I said, well, I believe there's something they're not
Speaker 1: telling you. There's something that your family have kept from you,
Speaker 1: and there's something that they're not telling you. Anyway, when
Speaker 1: she got home, she said to me, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: you said there's something that my family aren't telling me. Well,
Speaker 1: my grandmother died and they didn't want to tell me
Speaker 1: because I was on holiday, so they've waited to come back.
Speaker 1: And now what you said makes perfect sense. Of course
Speaker 1: you were right, they weren't telling me. So that to
Speaker 1: me was like, well, I couldn't have been reading her
Speaker 1: mind because she didn't know. And then so it's all
Speaker 1: these little pieces of the puzzle where you have to
Speaker 1: just in the end just trust what you're hearing and
Speaker 1: not question it, although I always question everything, but you know,
Speaker 1: try and not to scrutinize everything that comes out of
Speaker 1: your mouth because they're giving it to you to pass
Speaker 1: on and you don't have to worry too much, just
Speaker 1: pass it on as you hear it. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I do that. I quite often will give messages and
Speaker 1: I'm interested and I do learn a bit about just
Speaker 1: from sort of small more sorts of information that I
Speaker 1: gather about spirituality, and you know, from the near death
Speaker 1: experiences that people's testimonies and to get to answer questions
Speaker 1: and to put together pieces of information. And there was
Speaker 1: one thing I thought, well, I've never actually experienced any
Speaker 1: poltergeist activity, and I just question that. I don't know
Speaker 1: what is that anyway. I when my twins were I
Speaker 1: think they were five days old, my partner lost her father, Charlie.
Speaker 1: And Charlie he was a lovely, lovely guy. He was
Speaker 1: in his eighties and he used to make me laugh
Speaker 1: because he was clearly we didn't have big talks about it,
Speaker 1: but he was clearly a spiritual person because he said, oh,
Speaker 1: he said, if anything goes in the kitchen, we go ethel.
Speaker 1: And that's that was his mother. So he sort of
Speaker 1: suggested that, you know, the kettle would go on. He said,
Speaker 1: the kettle goes on all on its own, no one's
Speaker 1: near it. So we say Ethel. And anyway, after he
Speaker 1: passed a few months, maybe weeks in and things started
Speaker 1: to happen in our kitchen. Now I have I have.
Speaker 1: I loved drinking tea, and I had I started to
Speaker 1: collect different teapots and one that teapot I had, like
Speaker 1: stainless still teapot, and it was always on the shelf,
Speaker 1: and it was fully on the shelf, and it was
Speaker 1: one of those little corner shelves. It's quite hard to
Speaker 1: have it precariously on the shelf. A crash would be
Speaker 1: heard and you'd go in and it was on the floor.
Speaker 1: There was a few incidents like that started happening, and
Speaker 1: so of course we started saying Charlie instead of Ethel.
Speaker 1: And so I think, yeah, that kind of fits. That's
Speaker 1: maybe what that experience is all about. We moved to
Speaker 1: a new house, and I tapped in to see if
Speaker 1: there's which I do, if there's any sort of anyone remaining,
Speaker 1: anyone attached, and I couldn't feel that there's anyone attached,
Speaker 1: but there was a residual energy. She clearly has a
Speaker 1: thing with pictures, because I do have a lot of
Speaker 1: pictures on the walls, and they are constantly bouncing off
Speaker 1: the walls and smashing on the floor. Now, most of
Speaker 1: the rooms in the house have had a picture come
Speaker 1: off the wall and smash on the floor, and I
Speaker 1: have had to replace frame after frame after frame, and
Speaker 1: some pictures I have had to replace many many times.
Speaker 1: There's one picture that has has fallen on the floor
Speaker 1: but has never been smashed, and that's one of my
Speaker 1: grandmother and grandfather on their wedding day, which is good
Speaker 1: because that's pretty special to me and I would hate
Speaker 1: it if that got smashed. So but I always felt
Speaker 1: like maybe that was her way of saying she's around.
Speaker 1: And I do get pokes, pokes in the side, or
Speaker 1: pokes at the top of my leg, or you know,
Speaker 1: little touches feels like and you turn around thinking it's
Speaker 1: one of the children and or the dog, or and
Speaker 1: I've always had sort of you know, little shadows along
Speaker 1: the floor with pets and things like that, and one
Speaker 1: time I did have. I was going through a bit
Speaker 1: of a difficult time at work and I was not
Speaker 1: happy at all, and I felt for about two weeks
Speaker 1: this tall, dark shadow that stood by me the entire time.
Speaker 1: And at the time I noticed it and recognized it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't really realize the relevance. But looking back,
Speaker 1: that was a particularly difficult time in the workplace, so
Speaker 1: I just felt maybe that was an angel saying to me,
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'm by your side, I'm looking out for you. You'll
Speaker 1: be okay. And I was okay. But yeah, lots of
Speaker 1: people talk about sort of you know, full on apparitions
Speaker 1: that look like real people, which sound very exciting to me,
Speaker 1: but I've not encountered that. It's always been sort of
Speaker 1: corner of the eye or shadows or things like that.
Speaker 1: But Poke's hair flick. I went to a Spiritualist church.
Speaker 1: They gave me a reading saying well, you do have
Speaker 1: you do have that ability, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. Anyway, so I was walking out of the
Speaker 1: church and standing just waiting to I think there was
Speaker 1: magazines or something, and I was in the queue waiting
Speaker 1: to look at those, and I felt somebody flicked the
Speaker 1: back of my head short hair. Then someone flicked to
Speaker 1: the back of my hair, and I was fully turning around, expecting,
Speaker 1: you know, it to be my friend who had gone
Speaker 1: with and there was just no one in the que
Speaker 1: behind me. So all of these little signs of assurance
Speaker 1: that they are there and that they're around you, which
Speaker 1: is lovely, knows it, ching when someone's coming in close,
Speaker 1: and feeling a web on your face, and another thing
Speaker 1: that seems to be kind of connected with the eats
Speaker 1: and with the paranormal, my paranormal communication comes in, although
Speaker 1: they do present themselves in pictures in my mind's eye
Speaker 1: and pokes, physical pokes and things like that. I also,
Speaker 1: obviously it's mainly sort of telepathy. When you're hearing someone,
Speaker 1: you're hearing their communications in your mind. And I have
Speaker 1: noticed that my wife, my daughter, and my dog I
Speaker 1: do that with all the time, and there's a very
Speaker 1: very sort of strong telepathic connection between the three of us.
Speaker 1: I'm always hearing what they're going to say before they
Speaker 1: say it. Moving through that and sort of developing all
Speaker 1: of this more and just learning about it all more
Speaker 1: and the connection with ets and hearing other people's testimonies
Speaker 1: and the link between them, and it's really sort of
Speaker 1: helped me develop. I mean, I'm now moving into light work.
Speaker 1: I realized, now, this is a funny thing. I was
Speaker 1: watching things and they talk about light workers. They talk
Speaker 1: about indigo children, and they talk about star seeds, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was lovely. Yeah, because my life I've
Speaker 1: always felt like a complete alien. And I'd said to
Speaker 1: my friends She'd said the same, Oh, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: have you have you have you always felt like a
Speaker 1: complete alien? Yeah? Yes, especially when I lived in the
Speaker 1: area of Rochford. Rochford is a funny town and is Essex,
Speaker 1: and it was well known for witch country, and in fact,
Speaker 1: nearer the next town along a couple of villages along
Speaker 1: is Canudon, which is known very well for witchcraft. I mean,
Speaker 1: witchcraft is another name for paganism, isn't it. Because paganism
Speaker 1: was it was the original religion before Catholicism or Christianity arrived,
Speaker 1: and it was demonised and the symbols were turned into
Speaker 1: symbols for the demonic and the satan and the devil
Speaker 1: and the dark side. But I was told by someone
Speaker 1: who grew up in Canudon that the pagan symbol of
Speaker 1: the pentagram, one of the five points of the pentagram
Speaker 1: star is in fact Canudon Church, so that represents one
Speaker 1: of the one of the points of the stars. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of a yeah, it's a kind of a
Speaker 1: funny town. Sometimes. I've always found it's quite quite oppressive
Speaker 1: being there. I always stood out like a sore farm.
Speaker 1: I never felt I belonged. And two thousand and five
Speaker 1: I moved out and moved into I've moved away locally
Speaker 1: before then, but I moved to London in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. But I look back and it's such a
Speaker 1: I visit there to see a few friends, but and
Speaker 1: my mother's still there, and a couple of my sisters
Speaker 1: and brothers still there. But it's a funny place. And
Speaker 1: I never ever felt that I belonged, and I always
Speaker 1: felt like stuck out and people treated me like I
Speaker 1: stuck out, And you know, I never I never. I
Speaker 1: always felt like complete alien. So one day when I
Speaker 1: was looking at right, well, what is what is this
Speaker 1: star seed? And all right, let's see, so there was
Speaker 1: you know, one of these spiritual teachers who are going
Speaker 1: through the traits of what it is to be a
Speaker 1: star seed, and do you feel that you've had this
Speaker 1: do you feel that you've had that questionnaire? And I
Speaker 1: ticked every single one, even to the point where they said, oh,
Speaker 1: you're more likely to have color in your hair or
Speaker 1: different colors in your hair. Well, I've got pink hair
Speaker 1: at the moment. So to me, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I cried because I felt suddenly, if this is true,
Speaker 1: if I've done most of it, and I know I've
Speaker 1: been here before many times, but if I've done most
Speaker 1: of my life not on this planet, it means that
Speaker 1: everything makes sense. My whole life made sense. How I
Speaker 1: felt and how I still feel in crowds, although that
Speaker 1: is changing more because I feel like when I go out,
Speaker 1: I engage people to talk and I smile at strangers
Speaker 1: now and I feel like I'm sort of whatever planet
Speaker 1: they're from, I'm going to still try my hardest to
Speaker 1: communicate with them. Anyway I did. It was a bigot
Speaker 1: for me to sort of it was very reassuring, thinking suddenly,
Speaker 1: now finally I know who I am and my whole
Speaker 1: life makes sense. So that was a great thing. So
Speaker 1: I do now jokingly refer to myself as well, I
Speaker 1: am an alien, after all, I am. I'm an alien
Speaker 1: light worker and I've come to help again. That kind
Speaker 1: of makes sense. So I think that's kind of all
Speaker 1: I can really think about or remember. I'm bound to
Speaker 1: come across other things. I think, oh, yeah, that happened,
Speaker 1: But at the moment, that's sort I've come to the
Speaker 1: end of my list.
Speaker 3: Good job, Sarah, Thank you for sharing all that.
Speaker 1: Well, You're welcome. It feels nice to talk about it, really,
Speaker 1: because it's not a subject you can talk to everybody about,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people give you very strange looks
Speaker 1: if you talk about anything like that, and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to spend more time with people who don't give me
Speaker 1: strange looks for talking about it, I have to say.
Speaker 1: But I think people in general are becoming more open
Speaker 1: to it, which is always good.
Speaker 3: They are indeed, yeah, you're always going to get those
Speaker 3: funny looks. What I've found is that just about everyone
Speaker 3: has a.
Speaker 1: Story, yes, and it's so interesting to listen to other
Speaker 1: people's stories. I love listening to your podcast and listening
Speaker 1: to their stories and how it's not just the paranormal,
Speaker 1: the UFO experiences, it's their whole life circumstances and what
Speaker 1: leads up to it. I find it really interesting and
Speaker 1: I love listening to people and how they've made their
Speaker 1: decisions in life and how things have turned out for them.
Speaker 3: Indeed, personal favorite of mine because I kind of just
Speaker 3: give people the run of the mic. What you often
Speaker 3: get is is people sharing their life experiences. And you
Speaker 3: might talk about things that happened to them in the seventies,
Speaker 3: and they'd say stuff like the cars, the driving, the
Speaker 3: moves that they were listening to. So you get this
Speaker 3: whole worad around these accounts. So we're not just getting
Speaker 3: lights in the sky, we're getting there the things they're
Speaker 3: experiencing at the time.
Speaker 1: The whole picture. It does build a really really strong
Speaker 1: picture in your mind, doesn't it, And you really are
Speaker 1: living it with them. It really is really enjoyable to
Speaker 1: listen to them, and I love don't stop, don't ever stop,
Speaker 1: because this is it. Now this is part of my
Speaker 1: bedtime routine. Right. I listened to nixt podcasts before sleep,
Speaker 1: and right, okay, now I can go to sleep. I
Speaker 1: usually get through I always get through my you know
Speaker 1: the one that I haven't heard yet in the latest episode,
Speaker 1: and then as they go on to all the repeats,
Speaker 1: then I allow myself.
Speaker 3: To drift off good stuff, good stuff, and yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean long as the accounts keep coming, and I'll keep
Speaker 3: on recording.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've probably got a few friends that I
Speaker 1: can recommend, my spiritual friends that can bring their stories forward.
Speaker 1: So I can do that for you. Busy for a
Speaker 1: bit exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, send them my way. That's not an a bother
Speaker 3: that the more the merry, I say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's brilliant, and I'll carry on listening.
Speaker 3: Wonderful.
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Speaker 3: It's Time, It's ew It's the X. So some of
Speaker 3: these gifts that you have Clare audience, yeah, which is
Speaker 3: basically the hearing, isn't it sounds and voices and clear sentimence,
Speaker 3: which is emotions energies that type of thing.
Speaker 1: You can feel, yes, exactly, feeling, sensing emotion energy, which interestingly,
Speaker 1: the Cleare sentience is very powerful. Just when I meet
Speaker 1: people in general in the street, I can really feel them,
Speaker 1: and that can be difficult when your children come home
Speaker 1: and they've had a bad day and they're moaning or
Speaker 1: because it can be quite heavy, because you do feel it,
Speaker 1: and if someone's got the hump, you can feel it.
Speaker 1: It's not just auditory. You can really feel everything, which
Speaker 1: can be quite heavy. Obviously it's got it. It's merits
Speaker 1: because I can also feel if my family around me
Speaker 1: are feeling sad blind to it and I can feel it,
Speaker 1: and I can swoop in and see if I can
Speaker 1: help out there. So it's good for helping people, I think.
Speaker 3: So I suppose it's a bit of a crossover with
Speaker 3: been like an EmPATH, because it's the same kind of thing,
Speaker 3: isn't it with absorbing emotions of others.
Speaker 1: Yes, they are different, but they are sort of similar things.
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, with empathy, it's sort of the ability
Speaker 1: to sort of it's cognitively put yourself in their position
Speaker 1: and imagine how you would feel, whereas with the clere
Speaker 1: sentience with people in front of you, it's more you
Speaker 1: can just if they're excited, you can feel it. You
Speaker 1: can feel their excitement, you can feel their happiness, you
Speaker 1: can feel if they're angry, you can feel the fire.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's almost like more of a physical feeling. Really,
Speaker 1: it's a feeling, let's say feet, you feel it, rather
Speaker 1: than sort of working out and yeah, that's you know,
Speaker 1: how they define it. I think one is sort of
Speaker 1: more cognitive and the other is more feeling.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned that you're able to turn it off
Speaker 3: and on.
Speaker 1: Well, I can turn off and on the messages that
Speaker 1: I get from from spirit. I can't. Unfortunately, I can't
Speaker 1: really turn off the cler sentience from earthbound people. And
Speaker 1: that's a problem for me sometimes. As I say, it
Speaker 1: can be quite draining. But I there is probably another
Speaker 1: story to go with that. I had a friend of
Speaker 1: a friend who lost her brother and he was very young.
Speaker 1: I think he's thirties maybe, lovely, lovely man. And he
Speaker 1: died very suddenly. Very soon after he died, he was there,
Speaker 1: He's there, going, can you can you please? Can you
Speaker 1: can you just tell I can't. I can't tell her.
Speaker 1: She's just lost it. She's going to be devastated. There's
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is to come
Speaker 1: bowling in and start. I didn't even know if she
Speaker 1: was open to things like that, but he didn't let up.
Speaker 1: So I contact I was in contact with the friend
Speaker 1: of the friend, my friend anyway, and said do you
Speaker 1: think that she would want a message? And she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's inserted in a real estate at the moment. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. It would just
Speaker 1: be too upsetting for her. So I was like, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: But of course he didn't go away. So he was on,
Speaker 1: on on on now. That was so insistent and so
Speaker 1: strong that he just kept jumping in and come on,
Speaker 1: come on, please try and get hold of her, to
Speaker 1: the point where I was like, do you think her
Speaker 1: mom would be interested? She's like, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's all sort of you know, we're all trying to
Speaker 1: sort of walk carefully, to toe through it without upsetting
Speaker 1: anybody in such a delicate time anyway, And then I did.
Speaker 1: I did meet up with a friend and she was
Speaker 1: actually daying with her at that time, So I met
Speaker 1: up with her and we had a lovely time. And
Speaker 1: I'd given my friends some tips about what I saw
Speaker 1: coming for her in her work situation, and she was
Speaker 1: discussing it whilst she was with her friend, and her
Speaker 1: friend said, oh, I wonder if you've got anything for me,
Speaker 1: And I thought, oh, hellelujah. I said, well, actually, actually
Speaker 1: yes I have, I said, but I'm so aware of
Speaker 1: how to come across. I don't want to upset you.
Speaker 1: I don't. But your brother has been bugging the hell
Speaker 1: out of me, you know, for quite some time now,
Speaker 1: and he really really wants to come through. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he did come through, and he gave her some messages
Speaker 1: and some things she could there and then verify. And
Speaker 1: then she was there with her husband and another friend
Speaker 1: who's very close and she was saying, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know about that, and he'd go, yes, of course, don't
Speaker 1: you remember, blah blah blah, and she'd go, oh, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. So she was grateful. And so that was
Speaker 1: a really really rewarding reading to give because one because
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to leave me alone until I did,
Speaker 1: and two because it did bring her comfort, and so
Speaker 1: I was really happy to sort of get that message
Speaker 1: to her. But on the whole, I have heard of
Speaker 1: people where they really struggle. The voices are there, the
Speaker 1: people are there, presenting themselves. They're saying, oh rall, like
Speaker 1: a bit like Ghosts on the BBC. You know that's
Speaker 1: a comedy show where she just can't switch them off.
Speaker 1: But I have always been able to switch it off
Speaker 1: because for me, it's like a tuning in. It's like, right, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll tune in, and once I psychologically tune in and
Speaker 1: ask into anyone there, then that's when they will come in.
Speaker 1: And then they'll start showing me pictures of themselves, start
Speaker 1: telling me about themselves or telling me about who they've
Speaker 1: come through for. So that's like, you know, the more
Speaker 1: mediumship side of it. And sometimes there isn't anyone there,
Speaker 1: and it's just a knowing of information that you can
Speaker 1: pass to someone and say, well, you know you're this
Speaker 1: type of person or you've got this coming up and
Speaker 1: they go yes, yes, I have. And sometimes it will
Speaker 1: be a message where you're saying, well, I think you're
Speaker 1: worrying about this. Now, some people don't like to acknowledge
Speaker 1: worry or it's very unconscious, so well, I think you're
Speaker 1: worrying about this, and they're like no, no, no, well
Speaker 1: no no. But then something will transpire later and it's like, ah,
Speaker 1: so you thought you weren't worrying, Really you were. It
Speaker 1: is something that I can turn off. But the incident
Speaker 1: in Charton house that was totally involuntary, and my friend's
Speaker 1: brother that was involuntary, he was not letting it go
Speaker 1: because I'd had my answer from them, well no it's
Speaker 1: maybe too soon, like that it's too soon, but he's no, no, no,
Speaker 1: and he didn't give up. So it's a bit of
Speaker 1: both really. But yeah, on the whole, I can turn
Speaker 1: it off. It's tune in or tune out. So tuning
Speaker 1: out I think it helps with peace of mind, because
Speaker 1: I think some people can get very overwhelmed with messages
Speaker 1: sort of contact as it were, and from what I
Speaker 1: hear from the ET contact, sometimes you know it really
Speaker 1: isn't voluntary at all, and it can be quite distressing
Speaker 1: for them, so that must be very difficult for them.
Speaker 1: But so yeah, I consider myself lucky that I can
Speaker 1: tune out to a certain degree unless they're really wanting
Speaker 1: to get through, So as.
Speaker 3: You've been quite fortunate. Really, No, I'm guessing that when
Speaker 3: we do pass over, we kind of take our personalities
Speaker 3: with us. So I think on a whole, you've been
Speaker 3: very lucky that the spirits that do come to you
Speaker 3: tend to queue up, so they're very polite. So it's
Speaker 3: very a very British, a very British spirit type thing to.
Speaker 1: Do, one hundred percent. And I do feel protected because
Speaker 1: I've sort of, you know, watched a few things on
Speaker 1: the darker side and how would I deal with that
Speaker 1: and how would I you know, and if something came up.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I've never ever felt like they can
Speaker 1: get to me. I've only ever felt like the lighter,
Speaker 1: as you say, more polite, more British, more polite, friendlier
Speaker 1: side seem to have access to me, and the darker
Speaker 1: side just don't. I've never had a reading where I've
Speaker 1: felt or anything where I've felt scared. I've always just
Speaker 1: felt blessed that and I always thank them. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming through. You know, that was really nice,
Speaker 1: and I do I do feel protected in that. I think,
Speaker 1: I think that's something I've come to realize that the
Speaker 1: positive side and not really indulging in the negative side.
Speaker 3: Of it, and I suppose it's really reassured. You know,
Speaker 3: if you're passing this information on someone that has lost
Speaker 3: a loved one. After losing someone, it's very difficult, and
Speaker 3: having that message from them can be you know, it
Speaker 3: can be good and kind of help them along on
Speaker 3: the on the grieving process.
Speaker 1: It can it can be it can be really really helpful,
Speaker 1: and that's something I'm always analyzing and really scrutinizing before
Speaker 1: I ever give a message. If it's in respect of
Speaker 1: someone you know, seeking, if someone seeks out to contact,
Speaker 1: the pressure is not quite as bad. But if I'm
Speaker 1: aware that they have lost someone recently, then I am
Speaker 1: very careful because it's a time where you were so
Speaker 1: sensitive and every word and message about your position, your grief,
Speaker 1: your journey at that time is magnified and you're going
Speaker 1: through all these different emotions and people can get very
Speaker 1: very angry at a simple choice of word when they're grieving,
Speaker 1: and obviously you don't want to be on the end
Speaker 1: of someone's anger. But mainly I just would hate to
Speaker 1: think that I'd had a detrimental effect on their grieving process,
Speaker 1: And so it has been a skill that I've really
Speaker 1: honed in on over the years to try. But I
Speaker 1: had a friend lost her mum recently and I've been
Speaker 1: there just helping her along the way. And I say,
Speaker 1: she's easy, she's easy to look after, But I have
Speaker 1: learned a lot about the grieving process through her, and
Speaker 1: I've been safe to help her in the way that
Speaker 1: I thought was right. But also so she's shown She's
Speaker 1: shown me so much about the grieving process. I do
Speaker 1: feel now I've had a lot I know how it feels,
Speaker 1: and I've had a lot of experience with people losing people,
Speaker 1: and so that spiritual side of it is there's a
Speaker 1: fine line, but it can bring such comfort to know
Speaker 1: that these relatives and loved ones is still very close
Speaker 1: to you, and they're around you, they're standing next to you,
Speaker 1: and they never go away, and that who could not
Speaker 1: want to hear that when they've lost someone. Really, if
Speaker 1: they're brave enough and they're open enough to believe it
Speaker 1: is always going to be helpful to know that somebody
Speaker 1: they thought they'd lost forever is just standing right next
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think it was very interesting what we were
Speaker 3: saying about your grandmother when she told you that she
Speaker 3: had heard grandmother that came to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, how lovely but not exactly bringing
Speaker 1: good news. But I know that it did help my
Speaker 1: grandmother because I know that I think it was her mother.
Speaker 1: She was quite ill and that not knowing how long
Speaker 1: are they going to be friends and family left? Are
Speaker 1: they okay? Have they reached the other side? Okay? Has
Speaker 1: someone come to meet them? And knowing that her grandmother
Speaker 1: had specifically said, don't worry, Dorothy, I'm coming to get
Speaker 1: your mom. She's going to be fine, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to show her the way back home. I know she's
Speaker 1: found comfort in that, and for me as well, that
Speaker 1: was sort of the first indication that they'll come and
Speaker 1: pick you up when it's time to go, which is
Speaker 1: lovely to know that all those faces that you haven't
Speaker 1: seen in such a long time because they've passed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lovely thing.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's what I've always believed. I believed, you know,
Speaker 3: if someone does die alone, which unfortunately, you know, it
Speaker 3: does happen, but they won't go alone.
Speaker 1: No, they're never alone. They're immediately surrounded by you know, loving,
Speaker 1: friendly faces that are going to show them this is
Speaker 1: the way. Come with me. They're never alone, and we're
Speaker 1: never alone. And we feel alone sometimes and we go
Speaker 1: through our life feeling so alone at moments of you know,
Speaker 1: desperation and you know things happening lost, you know various
Speaker 1: times in your life where you just feel so alone,
Speaker 1: But you're never alone because you've got that they are
Speaker 1: always there. They're always there around you, surrounding you. And
Speaker 1: that was the strongest feeling I had when I lost
Speaker 1: my grandmother, that they were there still. I could feel them,
Speaker 1: I could you know they were constantly And I did
Speaker 1: have a small reading once. I used to have this
Speaker 1: picture of them on their wedding day, and I had
Speaker 1: it always on the shelf. And then one time I
Speaker 1: was rearranging, rearranging the shelf, and I put it down
Speaker 1: on the fireplace on the hearth. I went and had
Speaker 1: a reading and she said, oh, you've got a picture
Speaker 1: of your grandparents. Years She said, it's down low. You
Speaker 1: must pick it up and put it at eye level.
Speaker 1: So they can catch your eye, and I always caught
Speaker 1: their eye. I always caught their eye, and so that
Speaker 1: was so so relevant. And when I go and see
Speaker 1: my friend who's lost her mum, she's got pictures of
Speaker 1: her mum and there's such really good pictures of her
Speaker 1: mum smiling, and I'm constantly catching her eye and I
Speaker 1: can see her saying thanks for coming, thanks for coming
Speaker 1: to see my girl. And they're always there. They're always there,
Speaker 1: and they're always with you. You may not feel them,
Speaker 1: you may not see them, but they are always there
Speaker 1: and they're always looking out for you. And everything that
Speaker 1: you experience in this life is to help you learn
Speaker 1: about your next steps when you leave here, I believe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beautiful and also reassuring. Now, Sarah, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you're wanting to mention this, but you do
Speaker 3: do spiritual counseling, don't you.
Speaker 1: I do so. I have done it, you know, for
Speaker 1: many years on a less formal level, but I recently
Speaker 1: decided that it was time to start doing it. I
Speaker 1: set up SRG Soul Guidance. So there's a website www
Speaker 1: dot SRG Solguidance dot com and on there's all my
Speaker 1: links but there's a page on Facebook, and there is
Speaker 1: TikTok and an Instagram, So you quite experienced in dealing,
Speaker 1: as I say, with bereavement. But any areas of life,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm competent in So if anybody is interested,
Speaker 1: I would love to hear from them.
Speaker 3: Wonderful And is that worldwide?
Speaker 1: Yes, it can be done well face to face if
Speaker 1: you're London and through zoom or a video call. If worldwide,
Speaker 1: if we can arrange a time, yes.
Speaker 3: But what I do is I put all your links
Speaker 3: below and anyone interested, Yeah, do get in contact with
Speaker 3: with Sarah got meditation and mindfulness, Psychometry, which is objects.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, psychology you can pick up the energy
Speaker 1: of someone from an object, and people often news jewelry.
Speaker 1: It makes it a very strong tool for tapping into
Speaker 1: someone's energy. So and sometimes if it's a piece of
Speaker 1: jewelry maybe that's been handed from one generation to another,
Speaker 1: it can bring forward those connections. So yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: very good tool. But various tools really just to navigate life,
Speaker 1: to navigate you know, spiritual ascension, learning more about yourself,
Speaker 1: about your soul, about healing wounds from the past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: generally ironing out the little hiccups that cause your grief
Speaker 1: in life.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, a little bit help navigating this
Speaker 3: crazy world is needed.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, and sometimes I think it's just about dig deep
Speaker 1: and let it out. And sometimes when you hear your
Speaker 1: own voice speaking what it is that you need to
Speaker 1: iron out, sometimes that can really help you gain perspective.
Speaker 1: When things go round and around in your head and
Speaker 1: you can't see the way out and you can't find
Speaker 1: somebody you know to bounce it off who understands or
Speaker 1: gets what you're saying. Counseling is really really good for that.
Speaker 1: Together you can work on how to approach different challenges,
Speaker 1: how to change your mindsets in different ways, and have
Speaker 1: a very large toolbox really to approach different scenarios and
Speaker 1: different issues that people encounter. So it's a really good
Speaker 1: tool fusting through blockages as well. That is very good for.
Speaker 3: That wonderful stuff. Okay, So yet that's Srgsoulguidance dot Com.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you having me. I've absolutely loved it.
Speaker 3: It was wonderful to meet you. Okay, take care and
Speaker 3: we will speak soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Bye.
Speaker 3: Bye, You're more than welcome. Bye bye for now.
Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 3: Well that is all for this week. Keep updated and
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Speaker 3: if you have an encounter that you'd like to share
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Speaker 3: me via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles
Speaker 3: podcast dot com. A big thank you to Sarah for
Speaker 3: sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I will
Speaker 3: be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep
Speaker 3: watching the skies. Goodbye,