Speaker 1: It's nice Eyes with Dan Ray Unguion Beasy Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back.
Speaker 3: Let's get some phone calls here gone six, one, seven two,
Speaker 3: Friday night at eleven. You never know what's going to happen, right,
Speaker 3: but I want to know what you think of the performance,
Speaker 3: because that's what it was. The performance Tonight Karen Reid
Speaker 3: on ABC. They did a two hour special, uh Bill,
Speaker 3: kick Him Bob George criminal defense attorneys were kind enough
Speaker 3: to join break it down for us. They felt that
Speaker 3: this was not a good thing to do, that this
Speaker 3: was a mistake, that simply they should have.
Speaker 2: Just gone with the defense of prove that we hit
Speaker 2: the guy. Prove it.
Speaker 3: Forget about all these other theories about that he was
Speaker 3: taken out of the house, that there was a fight
Speaker 3: in the basement. That's the reason the family sold the house,
Speaker 3: covered up the basement floor.
Speaker 2: The local cops are in on it. It was a
Speaker 2: cover up, so forth.
Speaker 3: And so on. It's a lot to chew on. It's
Speaker 3: a lot to think about. I love a good story,
Speaker 3: was enthralled by it. But the way to go originally
Speaker 3: was to say, okay, prove that she killed him by
Speaker 3: hitting him with a car, and both gentlemen feeled that
Speaker 3: he she would have walked out the door. Well they
Speaker 3: didn't do that, and now she's facing a second trial.
Speaker 3: Is this a desperate move?
Speaker 2: I mean they were talking about like what she wears
Speaker 2: and how she gets dressed. I mean, my god, that
Speaker 2: I mean she want to be a Kardashian. I think so.
Speaker 3: If you watched it, did this help her? Did this
Speaker 3: change your opinion about her at all? Six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 3: ten thirty the number. Let's find out what Frank and
Speaker 3: Boston has to say. Hi Frank, you're on wbz's Night Side.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you very much. I didn't see the special.
Speaker 4: But the one thing that I'm confused about this is,
Speaker 4: and nobody seemed to be asking, is what is going
Speaker 4: on with that police department that the people have turned
Speaker 4: on it on them so quickly and so numerous What
Speaker 4: do you do with that police department out there? I've
Speaker 4: never seen people jump on them on a police department
Speaker 4: so quick and with such little evidence.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it depends on which side you're on.
Speaker 3: If you're pro Karen Read, then obviously you're jumping on
Speaker 3: the police department. And thank you very much for the
Speaker 3: phone call. I appreciate it, Frank, I think you're jumping
Speaker 3: on the police department. If you are on her side,
Speaker 3: then if you are on the prosecution side, then you're
Speaker 3: going to be pro police department. There has been some
Speaker 3: criticism of that police department also the state police, you know,
Speaker 3: with the state Police investigator when they looked at the
Speaker 3: tax and his comments about the text, that was not
Speaker 3: a good look.
Speaker 2: Again, does that have anything to do whether she killed
Speaker 2: him or not.
Speaker 3: It doesn't, but it hurts the credibility of the prosecution
Speaker 3: because it hurts the police department.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt. Do I know what happened? I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think she should be convicted for second degree murder.
Speaker 3: That I don't understand because I don't think she intended
Speaker 3: to kill him. Is there manslaughter? Is there year on
Speaker 3: the table? Now you can go to jail for manslaughter
Speaker 3: and it can be involuntary and you could still serve time.
Speaker 3: Could that be the case?
Speaker 2: Also?
Speaker 3: I mean she I don't believe she took a breathalyzer test.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that, but according to testimony, she had
Speaker 3: been drinking. Does that enter into the situation at all?
Speaker 3: The thing that I always wonder about, and Bill Kickham
Speaker 3: has brought this up. It's the nature of the injuries.
Speaker 3: They're all facial injuries. And if he was hit by
Speaker 3: the truck that she was driving, the car, SUV or whatever,
Speaker 3: wouldn't there be more injuries than just on his face.
Speaker 3: Because the facial injuries could be a result of a fistfight,
Speaker 3: which may have happened in the basement, which maybe one
Speaker 3: of the reasons why they repainted or resurface the floor,
Speaker 3: maybe one of the reasons why they moved out of
Speaker 3: the house. All of this speculation, it's all speculation. You
Speaker 3: don't know. It would make a great crime novel. It
Speaker 3: would make a great television movie or in Law and Order.
Speaker 3: But the family that owned the house, Brian Albert, they're
Speaker 3: not on trial. They are not on trial for this.
Speaker 5: She is.
Speaker 3: And to Bill and Bob's point, that was the problem
Speaker 3: with the way they addressed the case. And it has
Speaker 3: been said the second time around, coming up in January,
Speaker 3: it's going to be more difficult to prove her innocence.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. So was this a hail Mary?
Speaker 3: If you will to watch this on twenty twenty tonight
Speaker 3: or are you sick of it? Is there some fatigue here?
Speaker 3: Did you watch it? Did this change your mind about her?
Speaker 3: She's very confident. She does great in front of the camera,
Speaker 3: at least appearance wise. I don't know how she did
Speaker 3: as far as speaking this evening. Maybe you saw it,
Speaker 3: Maybe you have a point on that six six, one seven,
Speaker 3: he tried to say two five, four, ten point thirty
Speaker 3: here on WBC. My suspicion is the second time around,
Speaker 3: she could get I don't know if it's going we
Speaker 3: hung jury again. Are we going to keep doing this?
Speaker 3: Just what's going to happen? We're gonna keep doing this?
Speaker 3: Can can the defense do what Bill and Bill and
Speaker 3: Bob said our attorneys Bill and Bob sounds like a
Speaker 3: talk show Bill and Bob on law. Can they take
Speaker 3: a step back and drop all of the misdirection. Can
Speaker 3: they drop the misdirection and just say, look, prove that
Speaker 3: she did it?
Speaker 2: Forget?
Speaker 3: I mean, supposedly, going into the second trial, it's supposed
Speaker 3: to be brand new. What happened before is not supposed
Speaker 3: to enter into this trial. I just think that's unrealistic.
Speaker 3: I mean to expect somebody to have not seen this
Speaker 3: twenty twenty special or heard about it or seen it
Speaker 3: on demand or streaming. To have not seen this and
Speaker 3: be on a jury, I think it's on. I think
Speaker 3: it's impossible. I think it's impossible, And I think people
Speaker 3: are gonna lie. Absolutely, they're gonna lie. They're gonna say no,
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. How can you not know anything
Speaker 3: about this case? How can you not be biased in
Speaker 3: some way? That's the problem with so much electronic media
Speaker 3: in the digital age and the way people use media
Speaker 3: now to advance their agendas. I wonder if the defense
Speaker 3: team for Karen Reid feel as though they advanced their
Speaker 3: agenda tonight, that they did something that they moved forward,
Speaker 3: that they helped their cause. Furthermore, should they have waited?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's still got January?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Is this going to be forgotten by January? The news
Speaker 3: cycle is like a it's a joke. So maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Maybe this doesn't have an effect on the jury because
Speaker 3: January twenty sixth, or twenty fifth or twenty seventh.
Speaker 2: Is so far away. Maybe it has nothing to has.
Speaker 3: No impact on I think it will, though, because I
Speaker 3: think this thing's just gonna live live online.
Speaker 2: You know, one of the things I feel.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you one of the things I feel
Speaker 3: that's important in this case, and it's really not any
Speaker 3: legal strategy.
Speaker 2: It's a human one.
Speaker 3: And that's coming up next right here on wbz's Night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: You know, earlier tonight we were talking about the presidential
Speaker 3: election and the predictions and how it really comes down
Speaker 3: to keeping things simple at some point, right, skip it simple.
Speaker 3: So Alan Lickman, who's a professor at American University, he
Speaker 3: has his thirteen questions or thirteen ways to evaluate the
Speaker 3: presidential election, you know, and if five of his keys
Speaker 3: are not a factor, the incumbent wins, no recession, no
Speaker 3: social unrest. The challenger is that's some sort of hero,
Speaker 3: there's no major scandal, right, so he predicts that Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris is going to win. It all comes down to likability.
Speaker 3: I've always said that friends of mine, accountants, people I
Speaker 3: think are smarter than me. You know, you know how
Speaker 3: you have friends that you just think they're smarter than you.
Speaker 3: They're probably not.
Speaker 2: But people will say, well, you vote on the economy.
Speaker 3: Now we're not voting on the economy, I really don't.
Speaker 3: I think people think they vote on the economy, but
Speaker 3: they don't really understand what they're voting for with a
Speaker 3: certain president or economy because, like I said before, the
Speaker 3: economy generally it is not impacted by the president. I
Speaker 3: think when it comes to the case of Karen Reid,
Speaker 3: I think it really comes down to likability.
Speaker 2: Now, what our.
Speaker 3: Attorney experts said, the court of public opinion does not matter.
Speaker 3: But do they feel by having this specialty on an
Speaker 3: ABC that they have to go after the court of
Speaker 3: public opinion in the hopes that they reach a couple
Speaker 3: of people who could be on the jury.
Speaker 2: There's no other reason to do it.
Speaker 3: There's no other reason to do it than the defense
Speaker 3: feels that somebody's going to be on the jury. They
Speaker 3: saw the special in ABC, and they like her.
Speaker 2: I believe I like her. Why, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just do.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's as simple as that, do I like the defendant?
Speaker 3: Do I have empathy for the defendant? It's very hard
Speaker 3: to have empathy or sympathy for her, it really is,
Speaker 3: because she's such a big, bold personality. So I don't
Speaker 3: I think that could work against her. She was not abused,
Speaker 3: She wasn't a victim in any way. She was in
Speaker 3: a contentious relationship with Officer O'Keefe, who people seem to like.
Speaker 3: Never heard a bad thing about the guy, but many
Speaker 3: times people don't speak ill of the deceased's she's likable
Speaker 3: in that she's fairly attractive, she's she's got as my
Speaker 3: mother would say, she has good posture. She seems very
Speaker 3: confident in herself. Is that enough is Does that make
Speaker 3: her likable?
Speaker 2: I don't know she's likable.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she I don't know if she
Speaker 3: comes across as somebody you would cheer for. She doesn't
Speaker 3: come across as a victim in all of this, and
Speaker 3: I think that's what the defense was trying to prove
Speaker 3: that she's a victim, and they weren't able to do it.
Speaker 3: In the first trial that she was ganged up by
Speaker 3: the folks that own the house, the Aulberts that owned
Speaker 3: the house, she was bullied by. Then she was ganged
Speaker 3: up on by them, so we're supposed to feel sympathetic
Speaker 3: for it. They didn't pull it off, and that's why
Speaker 3: they put this TV show on tonight. They're trying to
Speaker 3: make you feel sorry for her, and I guess hoping
Speaker 3: some way, somehow it trickles down to a jury coming
Speaker 3: up next January.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Your thoughts on this is six one seven, two thirty.
Speaker 3: Let's go to Mary in debt Him. Mary, what do
Speaker 3: you think?
Speaker 6: On WBZ hi, I think she's Jesus, has this smirky
Speaker 6: attitude all the time. To me, I always have wondered
Speaker 6: why when they pulled up, when she got out of
Speaker 6: the car, she automatically knew it was him. She didn't
Speaker 6: know if it could have been somebody else. She just said,
Speaker 6: there he is. And that's what's always made me wonder
Speaker 6: about her. My other thought is, I don't think all
Speaker 6: the people in the house would try to cover something up,
Speaker 6: because eventually somebody would let it out. If they're else,
Speaker 6: you know, if they drink, it would come out. I
Speaker 6: don't think I wouldn't lie for somebody, and I don't
Speaker 6: think you could get that many people to lie about
Speaker 6: saying he wasn't in the house. And I think being
Speaker 6: in I live in Debtham and I saw the protests
Speaker 6: every day and it was how to get through the town.
Speaker 6: They took over the town, and I think a lot
Speaker 6: of this is super Turtle Boy, and he's going to
Speaker 6: keep it going right through January.
Speaker 3: You know, well, it's definitely become media driven. It's a
Speaker 3: circus now, it really is. I mean, it's a three
Speaker 3: ring circus. It's interesting. A lot of people marry that
Speaker 3: I've spoken to any particular attorneys, some very influential I
Speaker 3: shouldn't say influential, successful defense attorneys in this town. I
Speaker 3: agree with you that it is very difficult to keep
Speaker 3: that many people in line. So if he was murdered
Speaker 3: in the basement, you have a number of people that
Speaker 3: are drinking that night and they all have to stick
Speaker 3: to the same story, and that's hard to do. The
Speaker 3: one thing that still makes me wonder is moving out
Speaker 3: of the house and painting the floor.
Speaker 2: It just looks suspicious to me.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: And they were planning to move though originally.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: I you know, that's what I hear. But it's just.
Speaker 6: I think if they painted it when you see all
Speaker 6: these programs, wouldn't they been able to go with that
Speaker 6: was alluminoll to show. If it was some they wouldn't
Speaker 6: have be able to cover up all the blood.
Speaker 3: No, No, you're probably right, You're right, You're probably right,
Speaker 3: you know, I just like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like, I like the drama of it.
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of people would have to
Speaker 3: keep their mouth shut for the story of him being
Speaker 3: killed in the basement.
Speaker 2: I understand that. I get that.
Speaker 3: Then I go back to, well, all the injuries were
Speaker 3: with his head and not the rest of the body.
Speaker 2: So if you're hit by a truck, how can you
Speaker 2: only get hurt in the head. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, because.
Speaker 6: They were rocks into something that you know, you know,
Speaker 6: And this is what I do know. She go mad.
Speaker 6: I mean, she has an attitude. She calls that yeah,
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, and crawling up so many times afterwards
Speaker 6: that could make it feel like if I keep calling them,
Speaker 6: they'll think I wasn't there, or you know whatever. I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 3: Thanks for the phone call, Mary, I appreciate it. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 3: ten thirty is the telephone. Let's go to Joanne. Joanne,
Speaker 3: did you watch tonight? Did you change your mind? What
Speaker 3: do you think?
Speaker 8: I don't know her and I don't care, but I
Speaker 8: know people I know girls. One is my daughter who
Speaker 8: has had bad experiences with cops on the South Shore.
Speaker 8: And they're finally going to get what they deserve, okay,
Speaker 8: all of them, and they can cover it up all
Speaker 8: they want, but the FBI is here and the Justice
Speaker 8: of Commons. They'll never be a trial in January, including
Speaker 8: Auntie Bev over there. They're all related, the incestuous sickos.
Speaker 8: That's all they have to say.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And you're right, the feds are involved. The Feds are
Speaker 3: looking around, and there's a reason for it. So that's
Speaker 3: going to be interesting too.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the federal investigation would halt the
Speaker 3: trial in January. I'm not so sure how that would work.
Speaker 3: Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. Did you
Speaker 3: watch the special tonight on ABC? Did you see Karen
Speaker 3: Reid speak? Did it change your mind about her?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: You pro Karen read before and now that you've seen
Speaker 3: her speak and you saw the you know, basically the
Speaker 3: mad TV the television event so she can proclaim her innocence.
Speaker 3: Did that turn you against her? Fernando and Carver, you're
Speaker 3: up on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 2: Hey Elijah, what's up kid?
Speaker 9: Hey?
Speaker 7: Quick?
Speaker 9: Just a theory? Do you think there's a financial move
Speaker 9: on this by her selling her story obviously ABC to
Speaker 9: help her financial defense.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, that is.
Speaker 2: A terrific question. I will tell you this.
Speaker 3: I don't think twenty twenty pays for stories like this
Speaker 3: is ABC News, Fernando, very good question.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that one was it's ABC News.
Speaker 2: I would say no, Okay.
Speaker 9: The other question is do you think that is Alan
Speaker 9: Jackson move? Because he comes across as very I would
Speaker 9: say I don't think that this persona helps her because
Speaker 9: she's a very strong woman, but so is he. And
Speaker 9: I think he's playing calling up the district attorney, you know,
Speaker 9: having people there, having the crowds there, it almost I
Speaker 9: don't know if they're having him on the team actually
Speaker 9: hurts her, to be honest with.
Speaker 3: You, it's a great point, and you have to wonder
Speaker 3: because he's a Hollywood guy trying to play an LA.
Speaker 2: Game in New England, correct, and it could cost her.
Speaker 3: And based on our attorney experts earlier on Bill Kick
Speaker 3: Him and Bob George, it has cost her. They feel
Speaker 3: he screwed up. But that's also her ego. That's her
Speaker 3: ego wanting a guy to come in from LA. You know,
Speaker 3: with that type of resume. She's she's definitely intoxicated with
Speaker 3: the attention. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: For now.
Speaker 3: No, thanks for the phone call, buddy, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Onn WBC six one, seven, two, five thirty. She could
Speaker 3: sell her story at some point. I don't think that
Speaker 3: many money exchanged because it's an ABC News presentation. That
Speaker 3: wouldn't happen if there's a document if there is some
Speaker 3: she could tell her sell her story to Netflix. She
Speaker 3: could sell her story to Hulu, something along those lines. Now,
Speaker 3: I do know there's a there is a documentary coming
Speaker 3: out on this that I do know. A documentary is
Speaker 3: more of a news type of situation. She could sell
Speaker 3: her story for a book, you know what. She could
Speaker 3: sell her story and become a pro wrestler. Who the
Speaker 3: hell knows, but i'll tell you right now. If she
Speaker 3: spends a year in jail, when she comes out, she's
Speaker 3: gonna make money. And some people would say, you know,
Speaker 3: it's spending a year and if women's prison, it's worth
Speaker 3: it because of all the dollar signs you're gonna see
Speaker 3: later on because she will sell she she I mean,
Speaker 3: I think there's already a movie being made right.
Speaker 2: I think Turner boys involved in that. Stephen Bridgewater, you're
Speaker 2: up on WBZ, Hi Gary, Steve, how are you?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 10: Gary just got to quickly say, you know you were
Speaker 10: mentioning about the injuries were on the face. I watched
Speaker 10: the program tonight and in the courtroom they showed a
Speaker 10: picture of all these scratches all over one of his arms.
Speaker 10: So don't you got a question where that comes from?
Speaker 10: That doesn't I'm not I'm not. I don't do our topsies,
Speaker 10: but that doesn't that doesn't look like all those scratches
Speaker 10: don't look like it comes from being hit by a car.
Speaker 10: You know, he couldn't be dragged along the ground because
Speaker 10: there was snow that night. It was a heavy snowstorm.
Speaker 10: So I just want to know what your opinion is
Speaker 10: about that picture. They showed up his arm all well
Speaker 10: scratched up or even dog bites.
Speaker 9: They think, well, that's.
Speaker 3: What they said that there was a dog that has
Speaker 3: now been put down, you know, by the family that
Speaker 3: owned the house. There was a dog that allegedly or
Speaker 3: the defense has attacked him in the house now right,
Speaker 3: and that's why he had the scratches on the arm.
Speaker 3: Now you could spin this forward and this is where
Speaker 3: you can get out of control. Why would a dog
Speaker 3: attack him in the house. This dog has been violent in.
Speaker 2: The past, that's according to reports.
Speaker 3: Was there an altercation, did he get in a fight?
Speaker 3: Did the dog come to the defense of his owner?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the the.
Speaker 2: Whole thing.
Speaker 3: There's still so many unanswered questions that I don't think
Speaker 3: we're ever gonna know.
Speaker 2: But as our defense, I agree.
Speaker 10: But with all these inconsistencies, I'm listening to this not
Speaker 10: is it Jura? But if I was sitting there in
Speaker 10: the Jura room, I would probably be more confused than
Speaker 10: I am now, and I would have to fight. I
Speaker 10: would acquit her based on what I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Steve, you're it's a good call because I
Speaker 3: think that that was the intent of the defense initially,
Speaker 3: and I think it backfired.
Speaker 2: I think it backfired because I got too confusing.
Speaker 3: Thanks for the phone call, Steve, Good stuff, Jack and
Speaker 3: Newton and Lizen Esposs and we're going to get to
Speaker 3: you guys next. Did you see the television the infomercial
Speaker 3: on Karen read tonight on ABC? Did it change your
Speaker 3: mind about her guilt or her innocence?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: At six one seven, two thirty, and we'll take some
Speaker 3: calls on this on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w b Z,
Speaker 1: Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 3: Cal teks a lot Buddy six seven two four, ten thirty.
Speaker 3: Did you watch the Karen Reid Infomershall.
Speaker 2: On twenty twenty tonight?
Speaker 3: What did you think? Did it change your mind about
Speaker 3: the case? Was it a good move? We had a
Speaker 3: couple of great defense attorneys, Bill and Bob our defense
Speaker 3: attorney experts, Bill kick Them and Bob George. They wouldn't
Speaker 3: have done it. They think the whole thing has got
Speaker 3: totally blown out of proportion. They should have just said,
Speaker 3: prove that I proved that your client killed them, and
Speaker 3: forget about all these other theories. It just mucked the
Speaker 3: whole thing up. I think it was a desperate move.
Speaker 3: I think they feeled they needed to put her out
Speaker 3: in the public. They needed to try to impact the
Speaker 3: jury because everybody's going to see this in January, because
Speaker 3: she could get convicted in January. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: going to be the second degree murder though. Let's grab
Speaker 3: some calls on this, Jack and Newton, You're on WBZ.
Speaker 7: I'm Jack Porter. I'm a sociologist and criminologist, but I
Speaker 7: commented on a lot of trials. This is a very
Speaker 7: well done production. It wasn't an inn full commercial.
Speaker 2: Well I'm joking.
Speaker 7: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: So what did you think? I mean, did it work?
Speaker 2: Did it help work?
Speaker 7: I don't think the person of what it worked. They
Speaker 7: were very balanced and they tried to show both sides
Speaker 7: and they did a very good job. I would say
Speaker 7: what Dan Ray always does. You can be not innocent
Speaker 7: but not found but that's not found guilty. It isn't
Speaker 7: in not being found not guilty and not being innocent.
Speaker 7: I think that she hit him, she was drunk, angry,
Speaker 7: she hit him, she didn't she took off. He dies
Speaker 7: in the snow, and that's that it wasn't intentional. It
Speaker 7: wasn't criminal that it happened. But that's that's one element.
Speaker 7: The other element is that the jury will think there's
Speaker 7: enough reasonable doubt, as Dan would say, to not convict her.
Speaker 7: So it's like the O. J. Simpson trial, Right, he
Speaker 7: was guilty, right, but he was found not guilty.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean she wasn't found guilty or innocent. I
Speaker 3: mean it's a mistrial. She's still got to go back
Speaker 3: again in the second time around. The odds are against her.
Speaker 3: Do you think what you watch tonight helped her cause
Speaker 3: in any way?
Speaker 7: Oh it's hard to say. I think it helped his cause.
Speaker 7: He came across as a very fine person with a
Speaker 7: great family. She came across you know, maybe whatever. There
Speaker 7: could be a bit of misogyny there. You know, people
Speaker 7: look at her as this bright woman, a no over
Speaker 7: concert end et cetera, you know, smiling. I don't know,
Speaker 7: she came across this kind of vulnerabile. I didn't like
Speaker 7: what the words that she used. Don't swear words, you know,
Speaker 7: you frim there said, Why would she want to say that?
Speaker 7: If she know she loves the guy and she cares
Speaker 7: about the guy, why is she saying that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, relationship, yeah, Jack, relationships are complicated.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, buddy. Let's go to live in Boston,
Speaker 2: East Boston. Let's go to listen easty. What do you got, Liz?
Speaker 2: Did you watch it tonight?
Speaker 11: I did not. I'm rushing home to watch it now,
Speaker 11: but I see, you know the I saw the commercial
Speaker 11: on television, and right off the back she comes off
Speaker 11: as unlikable to me. I think she's guilty. I've watched
Speaker 11: the entire trial and listen to it. I do think
Speaker 11: she got paid.
Speaker 3: I don't think she Liz, why do you say she
Speaker 3: got Do you think she get paid for this thing
Speaker 3: from ABC?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 11: I mean, why would you do it for nothing?
Speaker 3: No, you can't. I don't, I don't. I can just
Speaker 3: tell you. Listen, that's a good question. Why would she
Speaker 3: do it? I don't think you know what, I don't
Speaker 3: think she got paid because if it's an ABC News production,
Speaker 3: it's against it's against their principles to pay people.
Speaker 11: No, I'm pretty sure people get paid for being on
Speaker 11: twenty twenty. Why else would she do it? She's desperate
Speaker 11: for money. I don't think Alan Jackson's coming back.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting. Why why do you think that's the case.
Speaker 11: Well, because, well, because she's got that photo of her
Speaker 11: and him to noodlings that CMC without. Also, she's out
Speaker 11: of money, and it's gonna be a harder case. It's
Speaker 11: gonna be a harder defense now because now the state,
Speaker 11: you know, they're gonna get it right this time.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see.
Speaker 11: And I don't think she can and she can't sell
Speaker 11: her story because I'm pretty sure there's a law against
Speaker 11: convicted murderers capitalizing on their crime.
Speaker 5: If she's convicted, her story, if.
Speaker 3: She's convicted of murder, Oh, you think she's gonna hit
Speaker 3: second degree?
Speaker 2: You think she cant a second degree.
Speaker 11: I don't think he's gonna get a second degree. She's
Speaker 11: gonna get manslaughter. But still she can't capitalize on that.
Speaker 2: Well, she'll be.
Speaker 3: In jail, so she won't have to believe me, there's
Speaker 3: a way around it. She's set up to be a
Speaker 3: reality TV star.
Speaker 11: Listen, I don't think she's said that kind of charisma.
Speaker 11: What did you think about her tonight?
Speaker 3: I'm on the radio. I could only watch her. I
Speaker 3: don't think she's likable.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it visually as it's happening. I don't
Speaker 3: think she's likable. But I do think if she goes
Speaker 3: to jail for a year, when she comes out, she's
Speaker 3: getting a TV deal.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you she can't.
Speaker 11: There's a lot get Liz.
Speaker 12: She can't get paid. That's a bunch of no. She
Speaker 12: can't get paid. She can make a living. She can't
Speaker 12: sell her story, but she can get a TV deal.
Speaker 12: She can be on TV. She could do a talk show.
Speaker 11: I don't think she's that kind of personality. I think
Speaker 11: she's I think, you know, if I was her, I
Speaker 11: would just crawl into a hole and just try to
Speaker 11: get past us. And you know, she does a couple
Speaker 11: of years in prison, which I think she deserves more.
Speaker 11: I mean, I don't think she meant to hit him,
Speaker 11: but to lie and come up with this story and
Speaker 11: drag all these other people into it. You know, I
Speaker 11: feel bad for Jnald. He's family and friends. You know
Speaker 11: what's more plausible. She hit him by accident and took
Speaker 11: off and he died in the snow. Or he went
Speaker 11: in the house into big expiracy and the dog did it, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Come on, there's a lot of chew on. There's a
Speaker 3: lot to chew on. But I still look at her,
Speaker 3: but I still but I still look at the injuries,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if those injuries are conducive to
Speaker 3: get well.
Speaker 11: You don't know what happened to him when he hit
Speaker 11: the ground. There was a broken glass there. He could
Speaker 11: have tried to you know, who knows what happened after
Speaker 11: she left. He could have tried to stand up, but
Speaker 11: there was no canine DNA on his arm, I mean
Speaker 11: the arm thing. When I saw that photo, that's when
Speaker 11: I was like, oh, whoa, that doesn't look like a
Speaker 11: car accident. But you know, we just don't know. He
Speaker 11: could have been stumbling, struggling to get up with just
Speaker 11: that poole guy died.
Speaker 3: And well that's another point, is that a police a
Speaker 3: police officer.
Speaker 2: Died, and we need to keep track of that. Thanks Liz,
Speaker 2: I appreciate the call.
Speaker 5: Well, he was a good man, good from all all
Speaker 5: accounts he was.
Speaker 4: From all all right, thank you.
Speaker 3: All right, go home and watch it. Go home and
Speaker 3: check out the television show tonight. Oh let's go to
Speaker 3: Aden Mansfield ed. You're up on WBZ. Did you watch
Speaker 3: the show tonight in twenty twenty?
Speaker 5: Yeah, some most of it, would you think. I don't
Speaker 5: think it changed the thing, But I don't think twenty
Speaker 5: twenty really got into the evidence. And I think a
Speaker 5: lot of people making these comments that she's guilty and
Speaker 5: just haven't looked at the evidence. I mean, throwing away phones,
Speaker 5: denying butt texts, butt texts, phone calls and texts and
Speaker 5: everything else, all these lies from all these witnesses. Two
Speaker 5: people put John in the house. Okay, Ally, McKay put
Speaker 5: him in the house. Higgins put him in the house
Speaker 5: as a doc tall male that he couldn't recognize because
Speaker 5: he has a profit with the FEDS. I mean, come on, people,
Speaker 5: look at the evidence. It's ridiculous. It's all piled up
Speaker 5: against the prosecution.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, he could have been in the house.
Speaker 3: But he could have been in the house, but then
Speaker 3: he could have left the house.
Speaker 5: Right, look at the length of a tail and look
Speaker 5: at the length of the injuries on his I.
Speaker 2: Agree with you, I mean, ed, I agree.
Speaker 3: I don't think the injuries matched the big I don't
Speaker 3: think the injuries matched the ACMO and the.
Speaker 5: Dogs rehomed and the dog to dog was moved from
Speaker 5: the house that night because Jim McKay bodged into the
Speaker 5: house that night and the dog did not make a sound. Okay,
Speaker 5: if you followed this real close, you would be a
Speaker 5: no brain that she's not guilty and other people are.
Speaker 5: And I think the FEDS will uncover it, just like
Speaker 5: they did the Sandra birch Mark case. And why did
Speaker 5: they do a grand jury? And this is why it
Speaker 5: will come out all right?
Speaker 2: Good call ered.
Speaker 3: I I can't I cannot either way.
Speaker 2: There are just many, many questions.
Speaker 3: I think what we have, what we did learn is
Speaker 3: that if the process, if the defense had just simply
Speaker 3: said proved.
Speaker 2: That she did it, she would have got out. And
Speaker 2: I think that they.
Speaker 5: Can pretty much should they only put six witnesses update Eric, right,
Speaker 5: I know they Why didn't they put the plow driver
Speaker 5: on the show last tonight?
Speaker 2: That's a great question. Why wouldn't they Why.
Speaker 5: Because he's the key to the whole case. Do you
Speaker 5: know what it's like driving a plow in the snow
Speaker 5: with those lights? The snow reflects lights, you can see
Speaker 5: everything like it's FAMI Way park, right, come on, stop it?
Speaker 3: But but that, but that would have been for her
Speaker 3: cause why didn't they put put them on?
Speaker 5: Because this is all tailed to the way the show
Speaker 5: wants to do it. They want to be even which
Speaker 5: what you can understand, you know, because you know they
Speaker 5: got a family with a dead cop, but the families
Speaker 5: don't know in the evidence too. I don't know why.
Speaker 5: They're just too tied to these people that did it.
Speaker 5: I agree, it's it's it's sad.
Speaker 3: It's sad because a dead police police officer died, which
Speaker 3: is which is totally tragic. There's still a lot of
Speaker 3: questions that and you raise good you raise good points.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why they wouldn't have put the plow
Speaker 3: driver in this because I think that's a key part.
Speaker 2: And I would think that a would want to do that.
Speaker 5: He witness to the whole case.
Speaker 3: And well maybe maybe he chose, maybe he didn't want
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. All right, And thanks for the call, buddy.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, Well, pretty much putting the wraps
Speaker 3: on tonight here in WBZ and putting the raps on
Speaker 3: the week.
Speaker 2: Of filling in for Dan Ray.
Speaker 3: Don't worry you, Dan Ray fanatics. He will be back
Speaker 3: on Monday. Order will be restored. Order will be restored.
Speaker 3: We've got a few minutes left if you want to
Speaker 3: jump on, if you have any comics tonight on what
Speaker 3: happened with the television program on ABC in twenty twenty?
Speaker 3: Did to change a mile in a mind? It all
Speaker 3: about Karen Reid? Was it a good move by the defense?
Speaker 3: They really haven't played it smart so far. And will
Speaker 3: it have any impact on the trial. I don't see
Speaker 3: how it can't. I think it all comes down to
Speaker 3: likability and the more she exposes herself publicly, and I
Speaker 3: mean that by doing television shows like this and showing
Speaker 3: her personality, people may not like her. And if one
Speaker 3: of those if somebody gets in the jury that saw
Speaker 3: the show and lies and doesn't like her, that's not good.
Speaker 3: Silence may have been the best way to go in
Speaker 3: this route, but people don't seem to like that. People
Speaker 3: don't want to keep their mouth shut. People want to
Speaker 3: be entertainers, they want to be stars, they want to
Speaker 3: sign autographs. She's definitely intoxicated with the attention, that is
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 3: Some final thoughts coming up next to here on wbz's Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: It's been a blast filling in for Dan this week.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having patience with me. Thank
Speaker 3: you very much for calling in, Thank you for listening.
Speaker 3: I would like to thank Rob Brooks doing a wonderful
Speaker 3: job directing, running master control, getting the studio ready. He
Speaker 3: does so many things while around here. Marita LaRosa, the producer,
Speaker 3: doing an outstanding job in lighting up our guests. So
Speaker 3: I greatly appreciate all of the efforts here, and for
Speaker 3: Bill Flaherty for basically just letting me coming in the building.
Speaker 3: And Karen Bussemi, I want to thank her.
Speaker 2: She produced our.
Speaker 3: Show on Monday Night here on WBC. Just want to
Speaker 3: revisit one of the topics we had tonight. As you
Speaker 3: know if you have listened to this program a lot.
Speaker 3: I love movies, I love film I act in them,
Speaker 3: I write them, have friends involved in the business. And
Speaker 3: the Boston Film Festival is coming up September nineteenth through
Speaker 3: the twenty.
Speaker 2: First, and you really should check it out.
Speaker 3: And really, the film industry right now, it's weird. It
Speaker 3: is really weird a lot of it because of the
Speaker 3: strike with SAG last year. Streaming, the streamers aren't putting
Speaker 3: money into it, and when a streamer develops a movie,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really work well.
Speaker 2: They don't do it as as well as the studio system.
Speaker 3: They do a very good job with television series, but
Speaker 3: they rust the production of the movie and it shows
Speaker 3: because there's not a lot of great movies that originate
Speaker 3: on streaming. The one with Matt Damon and Casey Affleck
Speaker 3: was pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good, But.
Speaker 3: For some reason, the streamers do a better job with
Speaker 3: the series than they do the films. So I think
Speaker 3: that independent films are going to make a huge comeback
Speaker 3: because when you go through the film process and you
Speaker 3: have someone take their time and do the writing and
Speaker 3: do the casting, it takes a long time to make
Speaker 3: a very good movie. It really does. It does. It's
Speaker 3: not easy. You can't rush it, and you have to
Speaker 3: catch the magic in front of the camera. And a
Speaker 3: lot of the times it happens with an independent filmmaker
Speaker 3: because they take a chance. They a chance, and there
Speaker 3: have been some terrific films that have opened up here
Speaker 3: in Boston. I didn't know green Brook did, directed by
Speaker 3: the great Peter Fairleigh from Marshville, Massachusetts and Proba by
Speaker 3: way of Providence College. I didn't know what opened up here.
Speaker 3: Jojo Rabbert, Jojo Rabbit. He tried to say, opened up
Speaker 3: here North Country. Richard Jenkins from Providence, Rhode Island with
Speaker 3: a key playing the father of Oh God. I just
Speaker 3: blanked the main character, the star of the movie. It'll
Speaker 3: come back to me when I'm off the radio driving
Speaker 3: home Common ground Wreck, William for a Dream. The Boston
Speaker 3: Film Festival has also had some terrific talents. Sam Rockwell's
Speaker 3: been here, Colooney, Aaron Eckhartsell, Melissa Leo, who I love,
Speaker 3: remember she was in The Fighter, Lady Garcia, Greg Cadeer,
Speaker 3: Shane Black, terrific writer, Uma Thurman, Sir Ridley Scott, Sam Magdez,
Speaker 3: Tony Goldwood, Chris Evans, Pride to Subury, Massachusetts, Al Pacino,
Speaker 3: Jeff Bridges at I did, Steve Martin so good job
Speaker 3: for the Boston Film Festival and Robin Dawson their fortieth anniversary,
Speaker 3: and that is really saying something. And then there's a
Speaker 3: terrific little movie that I think is really going to
Speaker 3: pick up a lot of interest. It's called any Day Now.
Speaker 3: It's directed and written by Erica Ronson. He's a guy
Speaker 3: that spens spent a lot of time in Hollywood working
Speaker 3: with Johnny Depp. Has written a movie for Johnny Depp,
Speaker 3: guy that got his chops out in la and he
Speaker 3: came home and he shot a movie here, directed it,
Speaker 3: wrote it and it's about his version of what happened
Speaker 3: in the Gardner Museum Heights.
Speaker 2: It is funny as hell. It's great. I like to
Speaker 2: play a clip for you right now, rob Let's roll
Speaker 2: it Today's you like your Day? I have William Man.
Speaker 2: You do me a favor, I'll take cure of your death.
Speaker 7: I don't know where you're working.
Speaker 2: We're gonna rob the museum. We're gonna need your help,
Speaker 2: and so are you. Like a gangster, guss are like sheep.
Speaker 2: They have to answer up for everything they do. I
Speaker 2: want to do something, I do it.
Speaker 6: There's nothing someone in the trunk is there?
Speaker 2: Don't worry about that.
Speaker 3: That's great stuff. Paul Guilford from Boston, mass who's a
Speaker 3: terrific actor. Fourteen years on CSI. My wife loved that
Speaker 3: show CSI Vegas. He played the cop. It was great, perfect.
Speaker 3: Now Paul may have a neck in real life, but
Speaker 3: when he played I should look up. The guy John
Speaker 3: I forgot his last name, played the detective on CSI.
Speaker 2: He didn't have a neck.
Speaker 3: It was camelin tough just but in this movie he
Speaker 3: has an ec and he's very funny, very witty. And
Speaker 3: this movie's gonna pick up some steam. That's my prediction.
Speaker 3: It's gonna pick up It's definitely gonna it's going to
Speaker 3: pick up some steam. So I want you to check
Speaker 3: it out. He plays Marty Taylor Gray. He plays Steve.
Speaker 3: He's the young worker at the museum who Guilfoyl, who's
Speaker 3: playing Marty, recruits to help him with the Gardener Museum heist.
Speaker 3: And Taylor Gray is also going to be playing Al
Speaker 3: Franken in the SNL movie that's coming out in October
Speaker 3: that I can't wait to see. If you heard about this,
Speaker 3: and it seems to me I've seen the trailer and
Speaker 3: I think the whole movie is just about the opening
Speaker 3: night of Saturday Night Live in nineteen seventy five, where
Speaker 3: Lorne Michaels started a show that changed everything, chain everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, was it forty five years now? I think
Speaker 3: I think he probably goes to fifty and calls it
Speaker 3: a day. I can't imagine SNL not being on the
Speaker 3: air now. Very few of us stay up late enough
Speaker 3: on Saturday Night to watch it. We watch all the
Speaker 3: clips on YouTube. But they keep every the stars keep,
Speaker 3: from Chevy Chase to the guys that do the news.
Speaker 3: Now with Colin and Michael, they're hilarious now they weren't
Speaker 3: at first. Remember they have to work in and win,
Speaker 3: work their way in it. Everybody everybody always does, and
Speaker 3: now they're awesome. But you can watch all the clips
Speaker 3: on Instagram are supposed to stay up late. I cannot
Speaker 3: remember this is but to stay up late to do
Speaker 3: this show. This is the this is it. I don't
Speaker 3: think I've actually seen the SNL news section live in
Speaker 3: a long time. We may have to go back to,
Speaker 3: like what Norm McDonald did. Nobody did it like Norm though,
Speaker 3: Colin you know, Colin Jos and Michael Shea, Michael Jay.
Speaker 3: I love those guys. But Norm was the Norm McDonald
Speaker 3: was the best, the absolute best.
Speaker 2: He was nails, he was money. I mean the way
Speaker 2: he went after O. J. Simpson. Oh, just simply he
Speaker 2: was the best, the best.
Speaker 3: I I know Fallon did it, Tina Fey did it,
Speaker 3: and he Pohler did it. Uh, Seth Myers did it.
Speaker 3: Dennis Miller, thank you. Dennis Miller was before Norm, right
Speaker 3: or was he after Norm? He was before Norm before Norm.
Speaker 3: And he was good too. I mean, Chevy Chase was
Speaker 3: the original, right, Jane, You ignorant slut, I'm quoting somebody.
Speaker 3: I'm quoting SNL. Don't get me in trouble. Dennis Miller
Speaker 3: had that really wise type of sarcastic uh. And he
Speaker 3: was terrible on Monday Night football. God, what a disaster
Speaker 3: that was. But Norm McDonald for me was the best.
Speaker 3: He was just cutting, just biting. Had a chance to
Speaker 3: meet Norm once, saw him do live stand up out
Speaker 3: at Hampton Beach Casino and hung with them after he
Speaker 3: did a doubt about three Red Bulls at like midnight.
Speaker 3: Love to talk sports, loved gambling, just so freaking funny man.
Speaker 3: What a great law what I said, A loss with
Speaker 3: Norm MacDonald, my god, one of the best, one of
Speaker 3: the He was like the comedians, comedian comedians just so
Speaker 3: looked up to that guy. Well, it's going to do
Speaker 3: it for the Tangoe week. Some of you, I'm sure
Speaker 3: are relieved, uh and uh. Order will be restored, the
Speaker 3: adult will be back in the room as danuy returns
Speaker 3: on Monday. Thank you Monigha hangers box. Excuse me, it's late,
Speaker 3: Monica tax Saving Experts. She joined us from Decision Financial
Speaker 3: Services to talk taxes earlier in the evening. Jackson, Tolliver,
Speaker 3: Robin Dawson, Erica Ronson, Bill Kicking, Bob George, thank you everybody.
Speaker 3: Great job Rob. We'll see you later. This has been nice.
Speaker 3: Hat on WBZ