WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:07.000 It's nice Eyes with Dan Ray Unguion Beasy Boston's news Radio. 2 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:08.400 Hey, welcome back. 3 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:12.320 Let's get some phone calls here gone six, one, seven two, 4 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:15.039 Friday night at eleven. You never know what's going to happen, right, 5 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:19.120 but I want to know what you think of the performance, 6 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.519 because that's what it was. The performance Tonight Karen Reid 7 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:25.879 on ABC. They did a two hour special, uh Bill, 8 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:29.039 kick Him Bob George criminal defense attorneys were kind enough 9 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:32.600 to join break it down for us. They felt that 10 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:34.479 this was not a good thing to do, that this 11 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.280 was a mistake, that simply they should have. 12 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:41.600 Just gone with the defense of prove that we hit 13 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:42.640 the guy. Prove it. 14 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:45.359 Forget about all these other theories about that he was 15 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:47.439 taken out of the house, that there was a fight 16 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:50.560 in the basement. That's the reason the family sold the house, 17 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:52.200 covered up the basement floor. 18 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:54.359 The local cops are in on it. It was a 19 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:55.399 cover up, so forth. 20 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.520 And so on. It's a lot to chew on. It's 21 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.200 a lot to think about. I love a good story, 22 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.960 was enthralled by it. But the way to go originally 23 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.480 was to say, okay, prove that she killed him by 24 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:10.319 hitting him with a car, and both gentlemen feeled that 25 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.280 he she would have walked out the door. Well they 26 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:14.840 didn't do that, and now she's facing a second trial. 27 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:16.680 Is this a desperate move? 28 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:21.000 I mean they were talking about like what she wears 29 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:22.719 and how she gets dressed. I mean, my god, that 30 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.359 I mean she want to be a Kardashian. I think so. 31 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:31.359 If you watched it, did this help her? Did this 32 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:37.480 change your opinion about her at all? Six one, seven, two, five, four, 33 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:39.719 ten thirty the number. Let's find out what Frank and 34 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:42.879 Boston has to say. Hi Frank, you're on wbz's Night Side. 35 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:47.280 Thank you, Thank you very much. I didn't see the special. 36 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:51.680 But the one thing that I'm confused about this is, 37 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:56.200 and nobody seemed to be asking, is what is going 38 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.200 on with that police department that the people have turned 39 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:05.599 on it on them so quickly and so numerous What 40 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.319 do you do with that police department out there? I've 41 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:11.199 never seen people jump on them on a police department 42 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.479 so quick and with such little evidence. 43 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:17.080 Well, I think it depends on which side you're on. 44 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:19.439 If you're pro Karen Read, then obviously you're jumping on 45 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:21.120 the police department. And thank you very much for the 46 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.719 phone call. I appreciate it, Frank, I think you're jumping 47 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:25.520 on the police department. If you are on her side, 48 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:30.560 then if you are on the prosecution side, then you're 49 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.560 going to be pro police department. There has been some 50 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.240 criticism of that police department also the state police, you know, 51 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.759 with the state Police investigator when they looked at the 52 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.039 tax and his comments about the text, that was not 53 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:44.800 a good look. 54 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:47.039 Again, does that have anything to do whether she killed 55 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:47.439 him or not. 56 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.919 It doesn't, but it hurts the credibility of the prosecution 57 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:52.560 because it hurts the police department. 58 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.960 There's no doubt. Do I know what happened? I don't. 59 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:57.960 I don't. 60 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.560 I don't think she should be convicted for second degree murder. 61 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:06.919 That I don't understand because I don't think she intended 62 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:12.199 to kill him. Is there manslaughter? Is there year on 63 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:15.639 the table? Now you can go to jail for manslaughter 64 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:18.199 and it can be involuntary and you could still serve time. 65 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:19.560 Could that be the case? 66 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:19.919 Also? 67 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.159 I mean she I don't believe she took a breathalyzer test. 68 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.199 I didn't see that, but according to testimony, she had 69 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:33.199 been drinking. Does that enter into the situation at all? 70 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.080 The thing that I always wonder about, and Bill Kickham 71 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.680 has brought this up. It's the nature of the injuries. 72 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:41.280 They're all facial injuries. And if he was hit by 73 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:44.840 the truck that she was driving, the car, SUV or whatever, 74 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.719 wouldn't there be more injuries than just on his face. 75 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.000 Because the facial injuries could be a result of a fistfight, 76 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.680 which may have happened in the basement, which maybe one 77 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:00.000 of the reasons why they repainted or resurface the floor, 78 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:01.919 maybe one of the reasons why they moved out of 79 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.919 the house. All of this speculation, it's all speculation. You 80 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:07.719 don't know. It would make a great crime novel. It 81 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.000 would make a great television movie or in Law and Order. 82 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.520 But the family that owned the house, Brian Albert, they're 83 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:20.079 not on trial. They are not on trial for this. 84 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:23.879 She is. 85 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:30.160 And to Bill and Bob's point, that was the problem 86 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:37.519 with the way they addressed the case. And it has 87 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.439 been said the second time around, coming up in January, 88 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.879 it's going to be more difficult to prove her innocence. 89 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:50.040 There's no doubt about it. So was this a hail Mary? 90 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.759 If you will to watch this on twenty twenty tonight 91 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.639 or are you sick of it? Is there some fatigue here? 92 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.439 Did you watch it? Did this change your mind about her? 93 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:05.279 She's very confident. She does great in front of the camera, 94 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:08.879 at least appearance wise. I don't know how she did 95 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:11.360 as far as speaking this evening. Maybe you saw it, 96 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:16.000 Maybe you have a point on that six six, one seven, 97 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.319 he tried to say two five, four, ten point thirty 98 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:25.519 here on WBC. My suspicion is the second time around, 99 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:30.000 she could get I don't know if it's going we 100 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:31.959 hung jury again. Are we going to keep doing this? 101 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.040 Just what's going to happen? We're gonna keep doing this? 102 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:40.959 Can can the defense do what Bill and Bill and 103 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.160 Bob said our attorneys Bill and Bob sounds like a 104 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:47.000 talk show Bill and Bob on law. Can they take 105 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:53.600 a step back and drop all of the misdirection. Can 106 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.639 they drop the misdirection and just say, look, prove that 107 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:57.120 she did it? 108 00:05:58.680 --> 00:05:59.079 Forget? 109 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.279 I mean, supposedly, going into the second trial, it's supposed 110 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.079 to be brand new. What happened before is not supposed 111 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.399 to enter into this trial. I just think that's unrealistic. 112 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:10.959 I mean to expect somebody to have not seen this 113 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.879 twenty twenty special or heard about it or seen it 114 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:20.519 on demand or streaming. To have not seen this and 115 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:22.279 be on a jury, I think it's on. I think 116 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:28.079 it's impossible. I think it's impossible, And I think people 117 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.759 are gonna lie. Absolutely, they're gonna lie. They're gonna say no, 118 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:32.959 I didn't see it. How can you not know anything 119 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:36.000 about this case? How can you not be biased in 120 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.800 some way? That's the problem with so much electronic media 121 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:44.279 in the digital age and the way people use media 122 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.560 now to advance their agendas. I wonder if the defense 123 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:53.959 team for Karen Reid feel as though they advanced their 124 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.600 agenda tonight, that they did something that they moved forward, 125 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:02.879 that they helped their cause. Furthermore, should they have waited? 126 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:06.279 I mean, it's still got January? 127 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:06.720 Right? 128 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.120 Is this going to be forgotten by January? The news 129 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:16.040 cycle is like a it's a joke. So maybe I'm wrong. 130 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.319 Maybe this doesn't have an effect on the jury because 131 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.199 January twenty sixth, or twenty fifth or twenty seventh. 132 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.680 Is so far away. Maybe it has nothing to has. 133 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:26.519 No impact on I think it will, though, because I 134 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.639 think this thing's just gonna live live online. 135 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:33.160 You know, one of the things I feel. 136 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:35.480 I'm gonna tell you one of the things I feel 137 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:38.399 that's important in this case, and it's really not any 138 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.399 legal strategy. 139 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:41.519 It's a human one. 140 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:45.360 And that's coming up next right here on wbz's Night Side. 141 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.560 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 142 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.800 Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 143 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:58.639 You know, earlier tonight we were talking about the presidential 144 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:05.480 election and the predictions and how it really comes down 145 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.439 to keeping things simple at some point, right, skip it simple. 146 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:14.439 So Alan Lickman, who's a professor at American University, he 147 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:18.399 has his thirteen questions or thirteen ways to evaluate the 148 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:25.399 presidential election, you know, and if five of his keys 149 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.439 are not a factor, the incumbent wins, no recession, no 150 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:35.879 social unrest. The challenger is that's some sort of hero, 151 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:43.799 there's no major scandal, right, so he predicts that Kamala 152 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:47.320 Harris is going to win. It all comes down to likability. 153 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.440 I've always said that friends of mine, accountants, people I 154 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:54.559 think are smarter than me. You know, you know how 155 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:56.679 you have friends that you just think they're smarter than you. 156 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:58.480 They're probably not. 157 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:02.679 But people will say, well, you vote on the economy. 158 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:05.360 Now we're not voting on the economy, I really don't. 159 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.960 I think people think they vote on the economy, but 160 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:12.879 they don't really understand what they're voting for with a 161 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.159 certain president or economy because, like I said before, the 162 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:19.720 economy generally it is not impacted by the president. I 163 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:21.480 think when it comes to the case of Karen Reid, 164 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.080 I think it really comes down to likability. 165 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:25.000 Now, what our. 166 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.159 Attorney experts said, the court of public opinion does not matter. 167 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:36.360 But do they feel by having this specialty on an 168 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.200 ABC that they have to go after the court of 169 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.279 public opinion in the hopes that they reach a couple 170 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:47.559 of people who could be on the jury. 171 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.399 There's no other reason to do it. 172 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.919 There's no other reason to do it than the defense 173 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.679 feels that somebody's going to be on the jury. They 174 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.720 saw the special in ABC, and they like her. 175 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:03.360 I believe I like her. Why, I don't know. I 176 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:03.799 just do. 177 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:10.639 Sometimes it's as simple as that, do I like the defendant? 178 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:14.679 Do I have empathy for the defendant? It's very hard 179 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:18.799 to have empathy or sympathy for her, it really is, 180 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:26.320 because she's such a big, bold personality. So I don't 181 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.519 I think that could work against her. She was not abused, 182 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.440 She wasn't a victim in any way. She was in 183 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:41.320 a contentious relationship with Officer O'Keefe, who people seem to like. 184 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:44.759 Never heard a bad thing about the guy, but many 185 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:54.200 times people don't speak ill of the deceased's she's likable 186 00:10:54.399 --> 00:11:01.799 in that she's fairly attractive, she's she's got as my 187 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.559 mother would say, she has good posture. She seems very 188 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.759 confident in herself. Is that enough is Does that make 189 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:09.480 her likable? 190 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:11.879 I don't know she's likable. 191 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:13.559 I don't know if she I don't know if she 192 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.919 comes across as somebody you would cheer for. She doesn't 193 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.120 come across as a victim in all of this, and 194 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.960 I think that's what the defense was trying to prove 195 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:28.639 that she's a victim, and they weren't able to do it. 196 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:32.120 In the first trial that she was ganged up by 197 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.200 the folks that own the house, the Aulberts that owned 198 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.600 the house, she was bullied by. Then she was ganged 199 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.799 up on by them, so we're supposed to feel sympathetic 200 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.919 for it. They didn't pull it off, and that's why 201 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.360 they put this TV show on tonight. They're trying to 202 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.320 make you feel sorry for her, and I guess hoping 203 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:59.200 some way, somehow it trickles down to a jury coming 204 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:00.000 up next January. 205 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:00.240 Right. 206 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.639 Your thoughts on this is six one seven, two thirty. 207 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:06.639 Let's go to Mary in debt Him. Mary, what do 208 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:07.159 you think? 209 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:13.759 On WBZ hi, I think she's Jesus, has this smirky 210 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:17.480 attitude all the time. To me, I always have wondered 211 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.120 why when they pulled up, when she got out of 212 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:23.279 the car, she automatically knew it was him. She didn't 213 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:25.279 know if it could have been somebody else. She just said, 214 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.000 there he is. And that's what's always made me wonder 215 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.440 about her. My other thought is, I don't think all 216 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:34.360 the people in the house would try to cover something up, 217 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.679 because eventually somebody would let it out. If they're else, 218 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:40.279 you know, if they drink, it would come out. I 219 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.480 don't think I wouldn't lie for somebody, and I don't 220 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.600 think you could get that many people to lie about 221 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:51.279 saying he wasn't in the house. And I think being 222 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.480 in I live in Debtham and I saw the protests 223 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:57.120 every day and it was how to get through the town. 224 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.399 They took over the town, and I think a lot 225 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.639 of this is super Turtle Boy, and he's going to 226 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.200 keep it going right through January. 227 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.720 You know, well, it's definitely become media driven. It's a 228 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.440 circus now, it really is. I mean, it's a three 229 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.720 ring circus. It's interesting. A lot of people marry that 230 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:21.679 I've spoken to any particular attorneys, some very influential I 231 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:26.480 shouldn't say influential, successful defense attorneys in this town. I 232 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.440 agree with you that it is very difficult to keep 233 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.600 that many people in line. So if he was murdered 234 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:36.360 in the basement, you have a number of people that 235 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:41.159 are drinking that night and they all have to stick 236 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:44.320 to the same story, and that's hard to do. The 237 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:47.240 one thing that still makes me wonder is moving out 238 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:49.519 of the house and painting the floor. 239 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:51.759 It just looks suspicious to me. 240 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:52.440 You know. 241 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:57.720 And they were planning to move though originally. 242 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:56.759 You know. 243 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.600 I you know, that's what I hear. But it's just. 244 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.720 I think if they painted it when you see all 245 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.879 these programs, wouldn't they been able to go with that 246 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:08.759 was alluminoll to show. If it was some they wouldn't 247 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.360 have be able to cover up all the blood. 248 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.639 No, No, you're probably right, You're right, You're probably right, 249 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:15.720 you know, I just like, I don't know. 250 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:17.639 I like, I like the drama of it. 251 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:19.639 A lot of a lot of people would have to 252 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.799 keep their mouth shut for the story of him being 253 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:22.679 killed in the basement. 254 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.879 I understand that. I get that. 255 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:29.120 Then I go back to, well, all the injuries were 256 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:30.960 with his head and not the rest of the body. 257 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:32.639 So if you're hit by a truck, how can you 258 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:36.000 only get hurt in the head. I don't know. Yeah, 259 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:37.080 I don't know, because. 260 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:39.279 They were rocks into something that you know, you know, 261 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.480 And this is what I do know. She go mad. 262 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:45.200 I mean, she has an attitude. She calls that yeah, 263 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.639 oh my gosh, and crawling up so many times afterwards 264 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.240 that could make it feel like if I keep calling them, 265 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.639 they'll think I wasn't there, or you know whatever. I 266 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:55.039 don't know. 267 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:58.399 Thanks for the phone call, Mary, I appreciate it. Six one, seven, two, five, 268 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.799 ten thirty is the telephone. Let's go to Joanne. Joanne, 269 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.000 did you watch tonight? Did you change your mind? What 270 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:04.559 do you think? 271 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.639 I don't know her and I don't care, but I 272 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.600 know people I know girls. One is my daughter who 273 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:16.519 has had bad experiences with cops on the South Shore. 274 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:20.480 And they're finally going to get what they deserve, okay, 275 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:22.639 all of them, and they can cover it up all 276 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.840 they want, but the FBI is here and the Justice 277 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:28.240 of Commons. They'll never be a trial in January, including 278 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:32.320 Auntie Bev over there. They're all related, the incestuous sickos. 279 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:33.519 That's all they have to say. 280 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.440 Thanks, thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it. 281 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:40.960 And you're right, the feds are involved. The Feds are 282 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:42.840 looking around, and there's a reason for it. So that's 283 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:43.799 going to be interesting too. 284 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:46.039 I don't know. 285 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:52.039 I don't know if the federal investigation would halt the 286 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.759 trial in January. I'm not so sure how that would work. 287 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.080 Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. Did you 288 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.679 watch the special tonight on ABC? Did you see Karen 289 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:04.960 Reid speak? Did it change your mind about her? 290 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:05.759 Well? 291 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:08.360 You pro Karen read before and now that you've seen 292 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.120 her speak and you saw the you know, basically the 293 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:17.159 mad TV the television event so she can proclaim her innocence. 294 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.039 Did that turn you against her? Fernando and Carver, you're 295 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:23.600 up on WBC's Night Side. 296 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:26.600 Hey Elijah, what's up kid? 297 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:27.919 Hey? 298 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:28.279 Quick? 299 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.399 Just a theory? Do you think there's a financial move 300 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:36.080 on this by her selling her story obviously ABC to 301 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:37.600 help her financial defense. 302 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:39.519 Well, you know, that is. 303 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.720 A terrific question. I will tell you this. 304 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:47.759 I don't think twenty twenty pays for stories like this 305 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:51.919 is ABC News, Fernando, very good question. 306 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.000 Yeah, that one was it's ABC News. 307 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.159 I would say no, Okay. 308 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:00.559 The other question is do you think that is Alan 309 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:06.799 Jackson move? Because he comes across as very I would 310 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:10.480 say I don't think that this persona helps her because 311 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.440 she's a very strong woman, but so is he. And 312 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.920 I think he's playing calling up the district attorney, you know, 313 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:22.279 having people there, having the crowds there, it almost I 314 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.920 don't know if they're having him on the team actually 315 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:26.039 hurts her, to be honest with. 316 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.440 You, it's a great point, and you have to wonder 317 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.000 because he's a Hollywood guy trying to play an LA. 318 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.640 Game in New England, correct, and it could cost her. 319 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:38.279 And based on our attorney experts earlier on Bill Kick 320 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.359 Him and Bob George, it has cost her. They feel 321 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.279 he screwed up. But that's also her ego. That's her 322 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.039 ego wanting a guy to come in from LA. You know, 323 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.359 with that type of resume. She's she's definitely intoxicated with 324 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.160 the attention. There's no doubt about it. 325 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:55.480 For now. 326 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.160 No, thanks for the phone call, buddy, I appreciate it. 327 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.920 Onn WBC six one, seven, two, five thirty. She could 328 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:05.920 sell her story at some point. I don't think that 329 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.920 many money exchanged because it's an ABC News presentation. That 330 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.400 wouldn't happen if there's a document if there is some 331 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:13.839 she could tell her sell her story to Netflix. She 332 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:17.799 could sell her story to Hulu, something along those lines. Now, 333 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.279 I do know there's a there is a documentary coming 334 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.839 out on this that I do know. A documentary is 335 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:30.680 more of a news type of situation. She could sell 336 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.920 her story for a book, you know what. She could 337 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.880 sell her story and become a pro wrestler. Who the 338 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.079 hell knows, but i'll tell you right now. If she 339 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.799 spends a year in jail, when she comes out, she's 340 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:46.960 gonna make money. And some people would say, you know, 341 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:50.440 it's spending a year and if women's prison, it's worth 342 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:52.279 it because of all the dollar signs you're gonna see 343 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.680 later on because she will sell she she I mean, 344 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:58.720 I think there's already a movie being made right. 345 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:02.519 I think Turner boys involved in that. Stephen Bridgewater, you're 346 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:06.759 up on WBZ, Hi Gary, Steve, how are you? 347 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:08.079 Hi? 348 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:10.559 Gary just got to quickly say, you know you were 349 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.799 mentioning about the injuries were on the face. I watched 350 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.960 the program tonight and in the courtroom they showed a 351 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.640 picture of all these scratches all over one of his arms. 352 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.119 So don't you got a question where that comes from? 353 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.440 That doesn't I'm not I'm not. I don't do our topsies, 354 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:29.240 but that doesn't that doesn't look like all those scratches 355 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.319 don't look like it comes from being hit by a car. 356 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.480 You know, he couldn't be dragged along the ground because 357 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:36.720 there was snow that night. It was a heavy snowstorm. 358 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.119 So I just want to know what your opinion is 359 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.960 about that picture. They showed up his arm all well 360 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.319 scratched up or even dog bites. 361 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:45.480 They think, well, that's. 362 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:47.240 What they said that there was a dog that has 363 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.720 now been put down, you know, by the family that 364 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:54.839 owned the house. There was a dog that allegedly or 365 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.880 the defense has attacked him in the house now right, 366 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:01.400 and that's why he had the scratches on the arm. 367 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:04.680 Now you could spin this forward and this is where 368 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:07.119 you can get out of control. Why would a dog 369 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:09.680 attack him in the house. This dog has been violent in. 370 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:11.759 The past, that's according to reports. 371 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:14.799 Was there an altercation, did he get in a fight? 372 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:17.200 Did the dog come to the defense of his owner? 373 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:19.799 Yeah, you know, the the. 374 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:22.079 Whole thing. 375 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.680 There's still so many unanswered questions that I don't think 376 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:26.720 we're ever gonna know. 377 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.720 But as our defense, I agree. 378 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.319 But with all these inconsistencies, I'm listening to this not 379 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:36.920 is it Jura? But if I was sitting there in 380 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.160 the Jura room, I would probably be more confused than 381 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:40.880 I am now, and I would have to fight. I 382 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:42.960 would acquit her based on what I know. 383 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:46.200 Yeah, and Steve, you're it's a good call because I 384 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.160 think that that was the intent of the defense initially, 385 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:50.920 and I think it backfired. 386 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:54.599 I think it backfired because I got too confusing. 387 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:56.680 Thanks for the phone call, Steve, Good stuff, Jack and 388 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:58.799 Newton and Lizen Esposs and we're going to get to 389 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:03.119 you guys next. Did you see the television the infomercial 390 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.000 on Karen read tonight on ABC? Did it change your 391 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.160 mind about her guilt or her innocence? 392 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:10.000 What do you think? 393 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:13.720 At six one seven, two thirty, and we'll take some 394 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:15.480 calls on this on WBC's Night Side. 395 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:20.160 You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w b Z, 396 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:21.799 Boston's news Radio. 397 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.160 Cal teks a lot Buddy six seven two four, ten thirty. 398 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:29.359 Did you watch the Karen Reid Infomershall. 399 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:30.079 On twenty twenty tonight? 400 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:34.119 What did you think? Did it change your mind about 401 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.400